Idol Headlines for 10/25/09

HOLIDAY CHEER

Now that the show’s download surges have established a weekly rhythm, Stringer and Bywater can focus their attention on the release of “Glee: The Music Volume 1, ” the first in a series of soundtracks featuring music from the show. The 17-song set will feature some of the most popular numbers from the season’s first half. Columbia and Fox hope to attract casual buyers as well as the show’s rabid fans.

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“We think there will be a huge population of passive buyers walking through stores during the holidays and saying, ‘Oh, I’ve seen “Glee, ” ‘ and picking up the record, ” Bywater says. “I think we’ll see considerable sales in the Wal-Marts, Targets and Best Buys of the world.”

In addition to the soundtracks, a cover of Wham’s “Last Christmas” will be recorded by the cast, and although it won’t air on the show, the song will be released as a single by mid-November.

Billboard.com

`Idol’ winner stays humble

But it’s runner-up Lambert — a proudly out-of-the-closet singer who doesn’t shy away from eye liner or paparazzi — who’s stealing all the attention.

Allen, 24, is OK with that. More or less.

“Here’s the thing. Adam’s a little more — OK, let’s say, lot more — controversial than I am, and the press wants him more right now, ” says the singer-guitarist. “That’s fine with me. I’m happy for him. He is who he is, and I am who I am. If people want to put me on a cover of a magazine, then cool.”

Allen won’t be sharing any spotlights on Sunday, when he performs at the Dolphins Tailgate Stage at Land Shark Stadium (3 p.m.)

Miami Herald

More Idol Headlines after the JUMP…

Behind The Scenes: Adam Lambert’s ‘Time For Miracles’

Go behind the scenes of Adam Lambert’s ‘Time For Miracles’  music video from the ‘2012’  motion picture soundtrack. Plus, get a glimpse of the finished video.

Access Hollywood

Seacrest Visits Ronald McDonald House

DECATUR – Parents and children at Decatur’s Ronald McDonald House got a special surprise today.

American Idol Host Ryan Seacrest visited the home this morning. Seacrest, an Atlanta native, posed for pictures and spent time with the patients.

Season Six American Idol finalist Melinda Doolittle was also there. The event was part of the Hearts and Hands Gala. Proceeds from the event will support operations of Atlanta’s two Ronald McDonald Houses.

My Fox Atlanta

Rocker brings melodies, big hooks for Breslin show

Back in 2006, Chris Daughtry had the same reaction as the rest of us: How had he been voted off “American Idol”?!? That seemed impossible.

“It was definitely a gut-wrenching moment, ” Daughtry said, the morning after he was ousted, “and I wasn’t expecting it … I thought there was going to be some sort of ‘just kidding’ factor.”

There wasn’t, but he tried to be optimistic that next day: “There’s going to be bigger opportunities … I think everything’s going to turn out great in the end.”

Lansing State Journal

Jennifer Hudson Returns To Chicago A Year After Murders

Exactly one year ago today, the bodies of Jennifer Hudson’s mother, Darnell Hudson Donerson, 57, and her brother, Jason Hudson, 29, were discovered inside their home on the South Side. Hudson’s 7-year-old nephew, Julian King, was found a few days after in a car on the West Side 10 miles away from his home. All three victims had been shot to death. William Balfour, the estranged husband of Jennifer Hudson’s sister, Julia, was charged for the killings with first-degree murder, allegedly killing the three family members because he was upset that Julia was dating someone else. Balfour pleaded not guilty and is still in jail.

Chicagoist.com

Jason Castro performs at Discover Mills Mall in metro Atlanta October 23

The laid-back, dreadlocked ‘American Idol’  finalist Jason Castro performed a six-song set Friday night at Discover Mills Mall in Lawrenceville. He was in town to promote his upcoming album for Atlantic Records.

Castro strolled down the food court, guitar around his shoulders, three cops and two mall security guards in tow. The crowd of about 250 tittered, then cheered. (Not surprisingly, he drew a 95% female audience.) He was his typical ‘aw shucks’  self, giving away an X Box via text message and announcing his release date of his album as January 2010 (though he almost said February, which worried some anxious fans.)

AJC.com

Daughtry bassist talks new album and returning to Omaha

Bassist and back-up vocalist Josh “JP” Paul spoke with the Gateway about his musical beginnings, life experiences, their new album and life on the road.

What was it like to play the drums in Don Henley’s “Boys of Summer” video at age 7?
It was definitely a great opportunity. I didn’t really know really what was going on. I just knew that I played drums and I went to some audition where there were 500 other little kids. And, I actually got it and did it. I was a little bit overwhelmed, but I thought it was awesome. Don Henley’s really cool.

Gateway

As ‘Idol’ fan, she is eminently clear on whom she idolizes

Editor’s note: Julie McCoy is a Realtor in Green Valley. The mid-40-year-old is also a huge fan of American Idol Adam Lambert, who’s making news with the release of his first single, “Time for Miracles.” Here’s McCoy’s account of her quest to get ever closer to her idol.

I was elated to have 17th-row floor seats to see Adam Lambert perform at the American Idols Live Tour July 18 in San Diego. But after I returned to Arizona, I realized something was missing and that I had to see Adam again, closer.

AZstarnet

Rock steady

After three years of solid success, Chris Daughtry is at the point in his career where he is approached by aspiring rockers looking for career advice.

Daughtry says he has no idea what to tell them.

‘It’s weird, ‘  he says. ‘I don’t view myself in that way at all. I want to live up to that for them. I don’t want them to ask me for the secret of life and I give an answer and they say, ‘Oh, that’s it? I expected way more from you.’

Journal Gazette

Recording Artist Bucky Covington Signs On In Support Of Arthritis Foundation

Lyric Street recording artist, Bucky Covington, has agreed to participate as the ‘Celebrity Ambassador’  for the Arthritis Foundation, Tennessee Chapters, five Jingle Bell 5K Run/Walk events, with one taking place in Chattanooga.

The Jingle Bell 5K will take place on Nov. 21, at 10 a.m., beginning at the Chattanooga Riverwalk, Shelter #3.

The event will include booths and various activities for all ages.

The Arthritis Foundation’s Jingle Bell Run/Walk for Arthritis is a nationwide event that raises awareness of arthritis, the nation’s leading cause of disability, while raising desperately needed funds for research, health education and government advocacy to improve the lives of people with arthritis.

Chattanoogan.com

Mark Salling Makes “Sweet” Music on “Glee”

When viewers first met Noah ‘Puck’  Puckerman, a brutish football player oozing testosterone, he was heaving poor Kurt Hummel into a dumpster at school. Later he turned out to be the father of Quinn Fabray’s and then he made quite an impression exiting a steam room after having apparently hit all the right notes with April Rhodes played by Kristin Chenoweth.

Given the show’s large cast, most folks probably thought there wasn’t going to be much more to Puck, but on last night’s episode ‘Mash-Up’  viewers not only say a softer side to Puck, but also learned he really could hit all the right notes with his rendition of Neil Diamond’s ‘Sweet Caroline.’ 

After Elton

‘Dancing’ star moves crowd at women’s expo

“Dancing with the Stars” celebrity Cheryl Burke stole the Women’s Lifestyle Show on Saturday at the Peoria Civic Center as she signed autographs, answered questions and hugged adoring fans.

“Today is the best turnout in the last 18 years, ” said event coordinator Jannell Justice, from Jay Goldberg Events & Entertainment. “Every year we have a star, and this year our star is exceptional.”

An Emmy-nominated professional ballroom dancer and choreographer, Burke has been on “Dancing with the Stars” since the second season. She has danced her way to the championship twice, with celebrities Drew Lachey (in the show’s second season) and Emmitt Smith (third season).

PJ Star.com

Denver songwriter/producer Ryan Tedder is a one-man music industry

And Tedder says Denver should expect more celebrity sightings at Larimer Square restaurants, Capitol Hill rock clubs and Cherry Creek bars.

“Adam and I went to Samba Room for dinner, and of course we walk in the door and there wasn’t a single person in the place who didn’t walk up to him, ” Tedder said. “But he was cool about it. He was great. I’ve also had Leona Lewis out to Denver, and Natasha Bedingfield and Rascal Flatts.

Denver Post

Hit’s for kids

Finalists perform Jacko charity song

The x Factor finalists will enjoy their first taste of chart glory next month – after secretly recording one of Michael Jackson’s best-selling hits.

The final 12 joined forces at Abbey Road Studios in London to lay down Jacko’s You Are Not Alone, and all the profits will go to charity.

The ballad, in aid of London’s Great Ormond Street Hospital, is the first professional recording from this year’s show favourites, including Danyl Johnson and Stacey Solomon.

And fans can see them perform the track live on The X Factor’s Sunday night results show on November 15, five months after the superstar’s death.

Mirror.co.uk

X Factor judges Louis Walsh and Simon Cowell row over song choice

Simon Cowell was at the centre of a cheat storm last night after Louis Walsh accused him of bending the rules in favour of his own act.

Louis exploded back on to the X Factor after three shows off following the death of Stephen Gately and wasted no time stirring up controversy.

He turned on Simon after the judge picked a U2 rock song for Jamie Archer on Big Band night.

Earlier Simon revealed he changed afro-haired Jamie’s song choice 24 hours before the show because he thought the original track didn’t work.

Mirror.co.uk

Fight for love ‘ how Cheryl Cole became the new X Factor darling

Everyone’s got their favourite X Factor contestant, but this week the public chose the real winner. After performing on the results show last Sunday, Cheryl Cole’s solo debut, “Fight for This Love”, became the fastest-selling single of the year, with 134, 000 copies sold on Monday alone. That’s 44, 000 more than Alexandra Burke, a former X Factor winner sold on the same day the week before, when her single Bad Boys went to No 1.

Say what you like about the slashed-to-the-thigh harem trousers and military cap that Cole wore on stage, quibble about the strength of her vocals, but the public voted firmly in her favour and she is a dead cert to be No 1 later today.

Guardian.co.uk

Leona Lewis: “I’m no pushover!”

Does Leona Lewis ever get fed up with being viewed as some kind of “anti-Amy Winehouse”? Maybe it is because they both attended the performing arts BRIT school in Croydon, but it seems, especially in Britain, Lewis and Winehouse are forever linked in the media eye as polar opposites.

Guardian.co.uk

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  1. David Archuleta went to the Esmee Denters / Honor Society concert last night…

    DavidArchie: Watching Esmee Denters perform. She has a show with The Honor Society here in Utah tonight.

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    Hehehe… the guy sure knows how to network! :)

  2. I don’t really see what was so humble about the Kris interview. He pretty much said Adam is wanted by the press more because he’s gay and that he has an agenda for wanting to sing pop songs. Unless of course he is talking about Danny there ( going to country), which still isn’t very humble.

    I think the press loves Adam because he is charismatic, has the IT factor, and just happens to have the best voice to ever come out of American Idol.

  3. Kris is sweet – but I don’t think 19 will agree with his sentiment.

    “We don’t have control over where the music business is headed,” he concedes. “I don’t make music for it to sell, I make music to make it. . . . Other people may have different agendas.”

    They clearly want it to sell.

    What I love is that he and Adam are aware that not everybody is going to like what they put out and they are all right with it.

    It’s cool he will be performing his new songs from the album at this event.

    http://chicagoist.com/2009/10/24/jennifer_hudson_returns_to_chicago.php

    The Jennifer Hudson Christmas special is on my must see list. Don’t know all the details about it but I know I will be watching.

  4. I don’t really see what was so humble about the Kris interview. He pretty much said Adam is wanted by the press more because he’s gay and that he has an agenda for wanting to sing pop songs.

    See Studio57 I tried not to focus on the Adam being controversial part. Kris is sweet and nice and he knows Adam is a talented person and his being ‘controversial’ is not the only reason the media and the industry bigwigs are interested in him.

  5. Kris was clearly talking about QUALITY of the music here. Nobody makes music and keep it in his room, they definately want to sell but still keeping in mind not to put out any crap just because that sells.
    Studio57, I don’t think AI contestants are the only artists out there. I think he was talking in general.

  6. See Studio57 I tried not to focus on the Adam being controversial part.

    It is perfectly within your right not to focus on the negative thing that Kris said.

  7. If people want to put me on a cover of a magazine, then cool.’ 

    Did you hear that People? ;)

  8. Don’t quite get your reading of it, Studio57. It just seemed to me that he said Adam was more controversial and that people paid more attention to him (true, and he seems genuinely comfortable with that), said something about other people putting out commercial music for it to sell rather than for its own sake (given what he’s said about Adam in the past, it can be taken that this isn’t Adam but someone else. He’s likely more talking about the various party-beat songs that come over Top 40 radio that have nothing in the way of artistry). And, yeah, he says his concern is to stick to his message, musically, rather than trying to adjust to the industry (he’s emphasized that, what, 100 times now?). Where was the controversial, negative thing in all of this, least of all about Adam? I just don’t get it.

  9. I don’t really see what was so humble about the Kris interview. He pretty much said Adam is wanted by the press more because he’s gay and that he has an agenda for wanting to sing pop songs. Unless of course he is talking about Danny there ( going to country), which still isn’t very humble. He is a passive aggresive as some of his fans.

    I think the press loves Adam because he is charismatic, has the IT factor, and just happens to have the best voice to ever come out of American Idol.

    You’ve got to admit.. sooner or later and whether he likes it or not.. all these buzz about the runner-up gets to him…. makes him want to scratch…. coz he’s the winner.. winner has the right to spotlight, media buzz, cover magazines, the AMA’s, the Oprah show.. etc.. etc..

  10. Don’t quite get your reading of it, Studio57. It just seemed to me that he said Adam was more controversial and that people paid more attention to him

    How is Adam more contoversial? Can you think of a reason besides him being gay? Maybe i am missing something here.

  11. I guess I just don’t see how everything Kris says is about Adam. Kris is about to enter the big bad music world. There’s lots of people in that spectrum who aren’t Adam Lambert.

  12. How is Adam more contoversial? Can you think of a reason besides him being gay? Maybe i am missing something here.

    Comparatively unique performance style drew a whole huge split of opinion about many of his performances. He drew a lot of buzz in the season for that reason. That’s well before the whole “gay” thing even gets touched (and I don’t even care about that, though it seemed to start an awful lot of conversation at the time).

  13. dont get you studio57 and Adamme, it’s not the first time that Kris says that Adam gets more attention because of who is is (that’s include anything related to his person and talent). Kris has never changed opinion on the subject and i really don’t see that as negative because it’s all true, no?! Kris is very down to earth and can see clearly the scene i think. He’s there for the music and has said idk how many times he’s low-key. also remember that journalists have their ways sometimes to twist words to make them reflect their own opinion instead of the interviewee

  14. I don’t think Kris cares if Adam gets the spotlight. That is just Kris. Someone who uses “WE” instead of “I” all the time and doesn’t even want to be in the spotlight. I must admit that it is very rare to find people like Kris but I bet he is genuine and don’t think he’s bothered about Adam’s buzz at all. I believe him when he says he’s happy for Adam.

  15. I don’t get a negative reading from that Kris interview at all. He was his normal humble, laid-back self. The “other people” who have different agendas that he was referring to is a bit fuzzy but it’s definitely not Adam. I think he could be referring to journalists and blog writers who want to turn everything into a who sells the most competition between Kris and Adam, which Kris is not interested in. Or it could be a ding at people who make crappy music (which could be applied to half of the artists in the Top 40, honestly).

    I see no jealousy of Adam at all from Kris, ever. I mean, his eyes always light up with excitement whenever he talks about Adam. He says in this interview that he’s happy for Adam and I believe him on that 100%.

  16. And i must confess that I really have enough of Adam being brought up in Kris interviews (although it’s being done less and less often now.. geez, thanks). Kris is performing new songs of his album today, can’t that be the main focus of this interview?

  17. Adam is just good, him being gay has nothing to do with it. He is over the top and he has Hollywood behind him. People were running to him when this show was over. The gay issue has nothing to do with it and I think it’s a shame we are still talking about it. We should be talking about the awesome music that he is about to give us, or how he is the most hyped Iold ever.

  18. How is Adam more contoversial? Can you think of a reason besides him being gay? Maybe i am missing something here.

    How about the photo shoot in Details and his willingness to do it? He is *way* more out there than Kris, and for some people that is controversial. The Rolling Stone article talking about his past drug use, etc…

  19. The gay issue has nothing to do with it and I think it’s a shame we are still talking about it.

    It does have something to do with it — there is a lot of emphasis on his sexuality, how he’s a rarity as an openly gay entertainer, how he was the first openly gay Idol, whatever. Adam being gay is a BIG part of the attraction here – it makes him stand out from everyone else, he’s different. Now before I get rocks thrown at me — let me say that his talent more than supports the hype, but his being gay attracted a lot of the attention in the first place. His talent alone is definitely worth talking about but his sexuality and his openness about it makes it even more interesting.

  20. said something about other people putting out commercial music for it to sell rather than for its own sake (given what he’s said about Adam in the past, it can be taken that this isn’t Adam but someone else. He’s likely more talking about the various party-beat songs that come over Top 40 radio that have nothing in the way of artistry).

    Maybe, but then he should have been more clear who he was speaking about, because if your thoughts are correct he changed subject mid thought.
    It could certainly be taken to mean that he was talking about Adam.
    It’s the ““We don’t have control over where the music business is headed,” he concedes. “I don’t make music for it to sell, I make music to make it. . . . Other people may have different agendas.””

    The “we” and “I” stuff is confusing.

  21. That Glendale woman…I’m glad I’m not that obsessive yet.
    I like how Adam gets mentioned with Leona Lewis, Rascal Flatts, Alicia Keys, Timbaland, and Rihanna in the Tedder article. That’s pretty sweet. And I like that American Idol doesn’t come up until the fourth or fifth Adam mention. That’s pretty sweet too.
    I don’t get why Leona Lewis is offended at being the anti-Winehouse. What’s so awful about being called sane and sober?

  22. ‘We don’t have control over where the music business is headed,’  he concedes. ‘I don’t make music for it to sell, I make music to make it. . . . Other people may have different agendas.’ 

    Did Kris really say this? This is professional naivete at it’s best. If you just wanted to make music to make it, you could sit in your living room and sing to your dog. Professionals make music to make a living…and if you can’t sell it, you won’t get very far.

    Humble is very much over-rated. I know in my profession that if you are “humble” you may as well pack up your drafting supplies…nobody is going to buy what you have to sell if you can’t sell yourself in the process. I maybe a bit cynical after all these years but I would rather buy something from someone who is all about selling themselves and selling the stuff they are creating. Otherwise I’ll just buy from the dead guys…tons of their stuff is really good and I can buy it really cheap on-line.

  23. The ‘other people’  who have different agendas that he was referring to is a bit fuzzy but it’s definitely not Adam.

    How do we know he wasn’t talking about Adam? I thought the interview was a little passive aggressive too. The tone made it seem like the attention that Adam is getting is beginning to bother Kris. His tone was a little different than this in the past. This time it was different probably because of the “a lot more contraversial” statement, the statement about a mag cover, and the statement about selling records.

  24. The Jennifer Hudson Christmas special is on my must see list.

    Its a must see on my list too! I hope more details come out soon. She is such a talented strong young lady. I couldn’t have gone through what she went through last year. Her mom was the same age mine is now. I can’t imagine going through that.

  25. The tone made it seem like the attention that Adam is getting is beginning to bother Kris.

    I read it as he’s getting sick of being *asked* about Adam. Different folks will read it in different ways. Only Kris knows what he meant by his comments. Considering he’s close friends with Adam, I really doubt that he meant it as a diss. But, again, only Kris knows… I haven’t talked to him ;)

  26. Well, as a complete Adam fan, and not too much of a Kris fan, i have to say that I also didn’t see Kris being “passive aggressive”. I agree he worded it wrong, but I really don’t think he meant that he thinks that Adam is in the limelight only because of his being controversial. I actually think he’s still feeling uncomfortable about the whole winning Adam situatuion, and is just repeating the same answer that he (and Adam both) gave for why he won in the first place- because he’s easier to digest, while Adam is a little “out there” and controversial. Only the answer didn’t fit the question this time, heh..
    And I agree 100% that Adam is controversial and out there, but that’s what makes him incredible in my eyes! Although to some it may seem he’s “screeching” and going over too OTT. Nothing to do with his being gay…

  27. Maybe, but then he should have been more clear who he was speaking about, because if your thoughts are correct he changed subject mid thought.

    The big ellipsis before “other people may have different agendas” means that something of what Kris said was left out. What was left out would probably have clarified exactly what he meant. I thought “other people” was a reference to the record label and his point is that he’s not as worried about the business/sales side of music as his record label is.

    Impossible to know for sure unless we have the whole quote, which we don’t.

  28. I sense the media creating a Kris v. Adam fued soon

    Yup. I do too. both Kris and Adam need to be smart and aware of it during interviews, because the media will twist what they say around to make them look jealous, insecure, etc even if that isn’t the case. Media loves drama. Even if they have to make it up. It sells unfortunately.

  29. Studio57
    October 25, 2009 at 10:52 am
    I don’t really see what was so humble about the Kris interview. He pretty much said Adam is wanted by the press more because he’s gay and that he has an agenda for wanting to sing pop songs. Unless of course he is talking about Danny there ( going to country), which still isn’t very humble. He is a passive aggresive ….

    I can understand your take on Kris’ quotes but it could be that he is not a polished speaker and things come out with the wrong intimation. I’m not disputing or lecturing you in any way, just making an observation.

    I say I can understand your take because when I read the piece, I was immediately reminded of a pre-tour interview with Adam and Kris. In that sit down, Kris answered a question re: why he thought he had won over Adam.

    Sorry, I don’t have the link but he basically gave a very convoluted answer, saying he won because his appeal was better and his kind of appeal appealed to more people, etc. He used the word ‘appeal’ so many times, that the flow was muddled and one came away thinking that he thought he was more wholesome and that’s why he won.

    However, thinking that he’s a nice guy, I told myself he did not mean what it sounded like he meant – he’s just not conveying his thoughts properly. I also recall Adam seemed to blanche a little, barely hanging on to that poker face, while Kris was giving the appealing answer.

    All this to say, Kris does come off awkwardly sometimes in interviews but it is probably without malice afore thought.

  30. The big ellipsis before ‘other people may have different agendas’  means that something of what Kris said was left out. What was left out would probably have clarified exactly what he meant.

    Yeah, that’s the other thing about an interview in writing… you can chop out parts of it and make it sound *completely* different than it originally was phrased. Context and all that.

  31. I like how Adam gets mentioned with Leona Lewis, Rascal Flatts, Alicia Keys, Timbaland, and Rihanna in the Tedder article. That’s pretty sweet. And I like that American Idol doesn’t come up until the fourth or fifth Adam mention. That’s pretty sweet too.

    I love that too!

  32. Kris likes Adam and has always been a big supporter of him, don’t let any journalists make you think otherwise because they are trying to raise controversy by twisting or taking ‘out of context’ what was said.

  33. I’m looking forward to hearing some of the other song’s on Kris’s album today. We might get a glimpse into what his 2nd single will be.

  34. You’ve got to admit.. sooner or later and whether he likes it or not.. all these buzz about the runner-up gets to him’ ¦. makes him want to scratch’ ¦. coz he’s the winner.. winner has the right to spotlight, media buzz, cover magazines, the AMA’s, the Oprah show.. etc.. etc..

    ITA-Adam and Kris are human beings and stuff is going to get to them. So yeah, I could see how all the buzz about Adam could get to Kris as I can see all the crazy OTT entitled fans getting to Adam.

    Also, I’m not so sure Kris is that humble. Of course he wants to sell his music. Why else did he try out for AI? He wanted to make money from making music, he didn’t want to be a house husband anymore. There is nothing wrong with that. Perhaps Kris was taught to be humble and is having a tough time reconciling his personal beliefs on humility with his ambition and the need to sell himself. JMHO.

  35. I am gonna go on record to say that I think that Adam is singing TFM on the AMAs. He has already told us it wasn’t going to be on the album but now it is. And Pittman appears to be learning hisself some TFM for some reason or another. So hoping not, but this has me a tiny bit really concerned.

  36. How do we know he wasn’t talking about Adam?

    because not everything is about adam

    if anything,the interviewer is a bitter Kris fan..,.

  37. I say I can understand your take because when I read the piece, I was immediately reminded of a pre-tour interview with Adam and Kris. In that sit down, Kris answered a question re: why he thought he had won over Adam.

    Could have been their first Good Morning America visit- Kris bumbled around there pretty well and I remember wondering what was going through Adam’s mind as Kris was speaking.

  38. I’m looking forward to hearing some of the other song’s on Kris’s album today. We might get a glimpse into what his 2nd single will be.

    What, where, when?

  39. And Pittman appears to be learning hisself some TFM for some reason or another.

    Don’t you think it would be natural if Adam performed TFM at some 2012 release party?

  40. Adam can sing very well, he’s charismatic, he’s likes to do the unexpected, and he’s gay. All 4 are factors in people’s interest in him, you cannot dismiss one at will to fit the argument you are making at the moment. LOL @ gay has nothing to do with it. Every article talks about him being gay! And why shouldn’t it… it’s interesting! Nobody like him exists on the mainstream music scene right now. He has the potential to break a barrier, damn right people should be interested and talk about it.

    I don’t think Kris was being passive aggressive. And really, its the kind of question you’ll never answer and it wouldn’t make a bit of difference anyway, IMO.

  41. I sense the media creating a Kris v. Adam fued soon

    Rinse, lather, repeat. This happens every year.

  42. Thank you Luv for what you said. Kris Loves Adam. Maybe he is thou getting tired of always being asked about Adam even thou lately not as much as before. Why aren’t we talking about how much fun today is going to be kris is going to be able to sing some of his song from his album today. I am so excited I wonder what song they well be. Can’t wait to find out.

  43. Eh, I”ll give Kris a break on this one chalking it up to interview verbal diarrhea. And the fact that I am trying to quit smoking and I am ready to rip someone apart limb from limb. Poor Kris, he got the brunt of my wrath this morning :)

  44. I don’t think Kris’ comments about are a big deal, but think they do ring a little “face saving” – it would be more accurate, IMO, and more becoming if he’d say something like “Adam gets all the attention because he’s an amazing singer and people are excited to see what he’s going to do”

    Likewise, when Adam is asked about coming in second, I wish his regular one was not “I don’t care because I’m getting what I wanted”, but something like “you know, I really wanted to win, but I’m happy with the way things are going, I’m getting more opportunities than I ever dreamed of” – again, more accurate and also more becoming, IMO

  45. I don’t think that ‘Other people may have different agendas’ was referring to Adam. I’m kinda concerned his relationship with his label.

    First Kris didn’t know Script recorded LLWD and released it as a B side track until he himself recorded it. Then in Lyndsay’s interview he said label and artist sometime don’t see eye to eye, which def is true, but it’s the fact that he brought it up implies some discrepancies happened between him and Jive. I think things must have been straight out among them because otherwise there won’t be a song (iirc title ‘let it rain) written about that. But now this ‘not make music to sell’ (plus LLWD didn’t sell good so far) and ‘different agendas’ talks seem to me a try either to save face or to pave leeway if his album doesn’t sell well.

  46. Why aren’t we talking about how much fun today is going to be kris is going to be able to sing some of his song from his album today.

    awsome I hope we get them up on utube.

  47. lol studio57, i wish you keep on your smoking ban. I got to do this too :)

  48. Kris Kris !!. not in it for the fame or to sell records? but for the sake of making music? who thinks like this ? o wait “humble” people do. when people talk like this I just roll my eyes . they are all in it for fame and money or they wld have continued singing at cofffee houses , weddings, hotel lobbies etc in their little home towns and remain unknown. Now that is making music for the sake of music.

  49. ‘I don’t make music for it to sell, I make music to make it. . . . Other people may have different agendas.’ ’ 

    Now I get it why Kris didn’t really use these really good opportunities (the radio interviews, the other gigs he had the past month and prolly future) to promote his single/album .. because he said it clearly.. he doesn’t make music for it to sell… and unlike Adam with his own agenda to sell his songs and himself (just like some posters in here said about his Detail magazine interview as a sell out)… but then again…

    Kris is smart.. he creates the above excuse so if his single /album doesn’t sell good.. there you go.. because he doesn’t create or make music for it to sell’ ¦ haha.. don’t think Jive or 19 would be happy with it afterall they have invested in him $1 million.. that $1million is not a charity to the winner’ ¦ or maybe it is.. IDK

  50. Don’t you think it would be natural if Adam performed TFM at some 2012 release party?

    i would expect that adam will sing tfm live somewhere — release party, or at some other promo thing, maybe even on tv — in support of 2012….it is also going to be part of his performance repertoire in the future (I would bet that adam sings dancey single and tfm during appearances where he sings 2 songs, at least for the few months after his album drops), so it makes sense that pittman would be learning it if he is gonna be in his band (and we don’t know that he is — who knows what he meant in his twitter)…i still do not think that adam is gonna sing it on the amas….i expect him to do something uptempo, with dancers and a lot of moving around the stage…they are also gonna want to highlight a new single since his album drops the next day

  51. sooo kradison is all finished w / their albums ?

    Kris and alli tweeted that they are so I’m guessing Adam is 2…..

    I’ll b back l8r…,

  52. Sorry, I don’t have the link but he basically gave a very convoluted answer, saying he won because his appeal was better and his kind of appeal appealed to more people, etc. He used the word ‘appeal’ so many times, that the flow was muddled and one came away thinking that he thought he was more wholesome and that’s why he won.

    Is it this interview, starting at :20 seconds?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kn5iUWkkhA

  53. I didn’t see Kris being passive-aggressive in the article. I saw a writer who is clearly still upset that Kris won. Note these statements:

    For the casual American Idol watcher, we’ll save you some trouble. Adam Lambert did not win Season 8. Kris Allen did.

    But it’s runner-up Lambert — a proudly out-of-the-closet singer who doesn’t shy away from eye liner or paparazzi — who’s stealing all the attention.

    Allen, 24, is OK with that. More or less.

    The record drops Nov. 17. Good timing; that’s a week before Lambert’s.

    The married Arkansas native says he is doing his best to avoid the curse that has befallen previous winners not named Kelly Clarkson or Carrie Underwood.

    She slams Kris every chance she gets, even questioning him being a football fan by putting “big” in quotes, then she disses every winner but Carrie and Kelly. Seems like being a platinum selling artist, like both Jordin and David, isn’t too much of a curse. The final statement about “making music to make it, rather than sell it” is also edited to say that. We don’t even know what Kris actually said, but he doesn’t seem to have mentioned Adam’s name, so why assume that? The reporter was just trying to make Kris look bad and continue a fan war. She worded her own writing that way and edited Kris’ statements to fit her agenda.

  54. “Sorry, I don’t have the link but he basically gave a very convoluted answer, saying he won because his appeal was better and his kind of appeal appealed to more people, etc. He used the word ‘appeal’ so many times, that the flow was muddled and one came away thinking that he thought he was more wholesome and that’s why he won.”

    I remember him saying this to Ryan Seacrest on the Larry King Show. Ryan asked him why he thought he won, and Kris mumbled something about him appealing more to middle American and Danny’s fans. I also really Adam giving him a puzzled look while he said it. In the end, this really don’t make a big deal, because I don’t think Adam really cares what others are saying about him. He has so much on his plate and this interview will probably be ignored. Kris really needs to work on his interview skills. Never say you are not making music to sell, record companies don’t like that sentiment. Because they can turn around and say, if you want to make music just to make music, then you can make music in the comfort of your own living room.

  55. The ‘other people’  who have different agendas that he was referring to is a bit fuzzy but it’s definitely not Adam.

    How do we know he wasn’t talking about Adam? I thought the interview was a little passive aggressive too.

    On the other hand, why assume he was talking about Adam, who doesn’t even have any music out there at the moment except TfM?

    Kris has always been a class act and a good friend to Adam. And I believe (although I don’t know either of these guys personally) that Adam genuinely likes Kris and wouldn’t want his fans to reflexively read something negative into statements reported in an article that may have been taken out of context or are a little vague. I think he’d say relax, chill, it ain’t that deep or words to that effect.

  56. From the Miami article, it sounds as if Kris’s self-confidence has taken a hit. Although Kris continues to deny it, the attention that Adam is receiving DOES bother him. I feel this is what is contributing to this lack of self-esteem. I’m concerned about the comments where he mentions not caring if his music sells, not caring if he is famous, the magazine comment, etc. In my opinion, Kris needs to first believe in himself if he is to become successful in the music industry.

    On another note, I feel that there is a part of Kris that actually wishes Adam would have won AI Season 8. That would have eliminated the comparisons that seem to linger on and on and on……..

  57. in the Tedder article

    I must have missed this and have been looking for it – can someone supply the link?

  58. spring2009
    October 25, 2009 at 11:47 am
    I am gonna go on record to say that I think that Adam is singing TFM on the AMAs. He has already told us it wasn’t going to be on the album but now it is. And Pittman appears to be learning hisself some TFM for some reason or another. So hoping not, but this has me a tiny bit really concerned.

    If the AMAs and TPTB and Adam’s label and Adam himself decide to present TfM at the AMAs then the rest of us are just going to have to live with it. Fans don’t seem to have much input on anyone’s career and our concerns apparently don’t carry much weight. If TfM is the song I’ll just sit back and enjoy and feel a tad bit sad for missed opportunities. I’d like to see Adam do what he has said he is going to do since the AMA announcement, but, oh well.

  59. Way to start a fan war, Madeleine Marr! I’m willing to give Kris the benefit of the doubt because it appears he was only partially quoted. But, Madeleine sure seems to have an agenda, although she really didn’t do Kris any favors. Both Adam and Kris seem sweet and humble, yet both are very human.

    In my opinion, it’s Adam’s amazing vocals and mega performance talent that grab the spotlight! That’s not to say Kris isn’t very talented, but according to his quote, he prefers to keep it low key. We can enjoy both.

  60. I really hope we get some nasty winner or runner up on AI next year, these people are so nice that every year we try to invent some controversy about them.

  61. And the fact that I am trying to quit smoking

    Not trying, you are quitting smoking. You got it! Just keep putting one foot in front of the other. Make your mind think positive thoughts whenever a crave hits. Take some deep breaths. Feel the cool air in your lungs. Imagine what it’s going to be like to breath again!

  62. I really hope we get some nasty winner or runner up on AI next year, these people are so nice that every year we try to invent some controversy about them.

    Yeah! Has there been any winner and runner-uo before that hated each other?

  63. 1. Kris is NOT slamming or insulting Adam in any way in that Miami Herald article

    2. Kris is simply saying he wants to make music he likes. He isn’t going to make music he doesn’t like simply because it may be more commercial. He isn’t referring to Adam in saying others may have a different agenda. My guess is that he’s referring to the label execs (if he’s referring specifically to anyone at all)

    3. He does NOT lack self-confidence. Why people equate being grounded and modest with a lack of self-confidence is something I fail to understand.

    4. That article was written and/or edited in a way to try and invite hits for the website and cause fan wars. Especially because in a blurb in anoher column in the same paper, another columnist claims Kris won Idol only because Adam is “really really weird”

  64. Is Kris not having his spotlight too? He definately is. It’s not like he’s been locked up in a room and asked not to come out. He’s done a lot ofinterviews lately on radio andhe’s been in articles the past week. From the 17th, he has a lot of promo events lined up.
    It’s just that it’s different from the kind that Adam gets and it’s bound to be that way because they are very different and frankly some of them Kris would not even like to do.
    He’s been in FLorida since friday and done a lot of press. He’s going to sing 5 of his own new songs today to a whole new audience on a stage with his new band. I don’t think he could ask for more.

  65. lol studio57, i wish you keep on your smoking ban. I got to do this too

    mtlfan:

    You can do it too. Thinking about quitting harder than actually quitting.

  66. Kris has always been a class act and a good friend to Adam. And I believe (although I don’t know either of these guys personally) that Adam genuinely likes Kris and wouldn’t want his fans to reflexively read something negative into statements reported in an article that may have been taken out of context or are a little vague. I think he’d say relax, chill, it ain’t that deep or words to that effect.

    ITA! I don’t think Kris sounds particularly humble in the article, but I’m willing to bet that most of what he said was piecemealed and taken out of context. The writer likely took what was wanted from what he said and tossed the remaining, possibly more clarifying statements aside. I think that happens a lot to Adam, too, which is why sometimes in articles I think he comes across as being a tad arrogant. I really don’t think either of them is, but when you take only part of an answer to a question, removing qualifiers, etc., the remaining “quotes” can sound harsh.

  67. I didn’t see Kris being passive-aggressive in the article. I saw a writer who is clearly still upset that Kris won. Note these statements:

    That’s exactly how I read that article. Either she hates Idol in general or she’s still peeved that her favorite didn’t win. Poorly sourced, poorly edited article.

  68. With regards to Kris’s statement that he doesn’t make music to sell records, but to make music, that’s what Kris has always said. He’s not so naive to not realize that he has to sell records if he wants to maintain a record contract. He said as much in his recent interview about the album with Lyndsey Parker. But, that is not his MOTIVATION for making his music. He’s not doing it for fame and fortune. He’s doing it because he loves to do it. I love that about Kris. He just loves the music. And I would guess that his ‘other people’  that he’s referring to with different agendas are record label and industry people.

    And it’s not even that rare to say it. Lots of artists say they are all about the music and that the suits worry about the units. The artist is being true to himself. It’s “I am an Artist” 101. And they aren’t necessarily saying it to be trite. Lots of people just want to make music and get their voice out there.

    I don’t see how this can be a diss on Adam unless all these others artists have been laying down this script for the last 50 years in anticipation of Adam appearing on the scene as some kind of Pop Musical Messiah.

    IDK. We just learned from Lindsey that “Let It Rain” is about the battles with the label, so that would be the logical conculsion for me to make when he says “Others”.

    There are lots of cooks in the kitchen when making an album. They aren’t going to see eye to eye on everything. Anyone who tells you different is either lying or records on the label they own themselves.

  69. adam won ai season 8…. yeah,I know that’s just me bring delusional but I don’t care

    sorry this seems random but I hate that article saying Kris won..,
    I was a AI fan..,

    now I’m still an ai fan but im also a bitterbert that loves kris.,,

  70. Yeah! Has there been any winner and runner-uo before that hated each other?

    Heh. Not publicly. But there were rumors that Fanny and Diana’s mom were not friendly, plus I vaguely remember some Taylor and Kat rumblings. For the most part though, everybody seems to have gotten along.

    Someone else can clarify, since my memory on this is very fuzzy.

  71. You know, I like Kris, but I do wish he would ACT more like the winner. Stand tall and proud, speak clearly and with expression, accept praise and compliments graciously- all of these would NOT make him seem less humble, but would help him project more self-confidence. It could also help his music career in the long run.
    ETA: I don’t mean this as a criticism of Kris- these are just some thoughts I often have when I watch him being interviewed.

  72. I agree with the others that the use of ellipses means a section of what Kris said is missing from the quote and I’m going to have to also agree with BeckyMD that the “Other people may have different agendas” is probably related to the struggles he had with the label.

    Also, I’m not sure how Kris is passive aggressive. The dude helped out his competition during Michael Jackson week, did missionary work overseas and the first words out of his mouth when he won were “Adam deserves this.” Hey, if that’s passive aggressive, I wish more people were passive aggressive.

  73. Kris’ agenda comment was likely not directed at any individuals, but more at the process and the natural conflict between artist & businesspeople. Simple as that, in my view.

    Re: self-confidence, ha! How many brand new artists (let alone Idol winners) sit in the office of the big boss cross-legged, and tell an interviewer that he had conflicts with his label over the direction of his album, proceed to write a song about it, and actually get it on his debut album. I interpret that as a guy pretty confident about who he is and I call that pretty damn bold.

  74. spring2009
    October 25, 2009 at 11:47 am
    I am gonna go on record to say that I think that Adam is singing TFM on the AMAs. He has already told us it wasn’t going to be on the album but now it is. And Pittman appears to be learning hisself some TFM for some reason or another. So hoping not, but this has me a tiny bit really concerned.

    Ain’t gonna happen. If Adam sings TfM at the AMAs I will eat my flaming headdress.

  75. I do take issue with this statement though:

    He’s not doing it for fame and fortune.

    If Kris didn’t want some semblance of fame, he wouldn’t have gone on to compete in the biggest show in America. He would have continued with his self-produced cds and tried to be a success that way. No one forced him onto American Idol and no one forced him to compete week after week. Him not being in it for fortune, yeah, maybe. I don’t see Kris as having extravagent tastes, but like Adam, I think he’d love to live comfortably and help his family members out when needed.

    I do get the feeling that there has been some conflict with 19/Jive with regard to Kris’s record, though. This isn’t the first time he’s mentioned having difficulties making the record, first with Slezak, then Parker and now in this interview. Maybe LLWD was a compromise he was forced to make and that might be why he doesn’t seem as enthused about it as he does some of his other songs.

  76. If TfM is the song I’ll just sit back and enjoy

    I just hope we get to hear Mr. Lambert sing Time for Miracles live at some point. I’m sure we will. Power ballads are such a staple element of every top singer’s repetoire, especially when a singer is fortunate enough to be associated with a big movie ballad.

    I’m also glad that we don’t have to listen to him answer questions about some other American Idol contestant. That stuff is boring even when Seacrest is asking those questions during the show. It seems like most of the media interviewing him has moved on to more interesting things.

  77. Don’t know if anyone else caught this but this quote is NOT from a new interviewthis was from the interview he did with Lydsey Parker right after he won AI, and right when Adam came out in Rolling Stone.

    The Miami Herald plundered an old interview from a Yahoo blog to get a quote from Kris about Adam? Nope, not buying it. Most likely Kris repeated himself.

  78. Is it this interview, starting at :20 seconds?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kn5iUWkkhA

    No, it was not this interview. I distinctly remember ‘appeal’ being used at least 3 times in the sentence and that Adam was not looking at Kris at the time. He was either looking down or a little off camera, IIRC. It was just a very awkward moment.

  79. If TfM is the song I’ll just sit back and enjoy

    I just hope we get to hear Mr. Lambert sing Time for Miracles live at some point. I’m sure we will. Power ballads are such a staple element of every top singer’s repetoire, especially when a singer is fortunate enough to be associated with a big movie ballad.

    The Oscars or Oprah – I’m betting my flaming headdress on it.

  80. Ain’t gonna happen. If Adam sings TfM at the AMAs I will eat my flaming headdress.

    I started to say I would eat the flaming codpiece, but, well- ewww.

  81. hwc I am with you on that one.. I love TFM!! But I still think Adam will perform another song.

  82. Tedder has a mighty big head doesn’t he?

    I think Tedder has earned that big head. I love One Republic and what would they be without Ryan. Second, Ryan has written a lot of hit songs. Sure a few of the songs have sounded alike, but the songs still sold quite a few singles. Yes Ryan likes to brag a bit, but it’s nothing more than self-promotion. That’s how he get access to all these singers, because he has a reputation for delivering hit songs. There is nothing wrong with tooting your own horn, especially if you can back up your words with action.

  83. I am gonna go on record to say that I think that Adam is singing TFM on the AMAs. He has already told us it wasn’t going to be on the album but now it is. And Pittman appears to be learning hisself some TFM for some reason or another. So hoping not, but this has me a tiny bit really concerned.

    Didn’t Adam said he wants to have dancers for his performance on AMA’s?.. I’d like to see dancers’ dancing in TFM tunes… hhhmm.. contemporary maybe?.. :)

  84. Kris is far from passive aggressive. Many columnists have their own agenda and will twist statements to fit this agenda. Kris and Adam are getting different sorts of promotional rollouts because they are very different types of singers. It’s kind of amazing that this topic still comes up. And while it is unlikely Adam will sing TfM, it’s RCA’s call, depending on when they release Adam’s single, and perhaps how successful TfM does after TII.

  85. Don’t know if anyone else caught this but this quote is NOT from a new interviewthis was from the interview he did with Lydsey Parker right after he won AI, and right when Adam came out in Rolling Stone.

    ****The Miami Herald plundered an old interview from a Yahoo blog to get a quote from Kris about Adam? Nope, not buying it. Most likely Kris repeated himself.

    I agree with Will, and they all repeat themselves.

  86. How is Kris slamming Adam by saying Adam is more controversial than Kris?

    Is there anyone who doesn’t agree that Adam is more controversial than Kris? That’s not a knock on Adam, that’s just the way it is. Until the world doesn’t care about a celebrity’s sexuality or about prying into their personal life, that’s likely the way it will continue to be.

    I could rip off dozens and dozens of names of musicians who are more controversial than Kris. That doesn’t mean I am insulting any of those people — it just means I’m stating a fact. Aside from David Archuleta, it’s hard to come up with very many musicians (who I’ve actually heard of) who may be even less controversial than Kris.

  87. Ain’t gonna happen. If Adam sings TfM at the AMAs I will eat my flaming headdress.

    LOL and ITA! By November 22, TFM will already have been shown via TII and 2012 will still be at theaters. I think RCA will want to promote his CD that will be coming out the very next day, and they’re not going to want to do that with a song the world has already been exposed to for a month. IMO, they’re going to want something fresh, trendy, upbeat for that performance.

  88. terps
    I sense the media creating a Kris v. Adam fued soon

    Actually, I don’t. There seems to be a pattern:

    Article about or interview with Kris = comments and questions about Adam.

    Article about or interview with Adam = comments and questions about Adam.

    And Adam has been very good about deflecting any attempt to get him to say anything negative about Kris. I have not read or heard one negative comment by Adam about Kris.

    Up until now, Kris has also been very positive about Adam. I hope the Miami Herald comments are the start of something new — because the only real contraversial thing about Adam is that he is openly gay.

  89. Squirrely

    If TfM is the song I’ll just sit back and enjoy
    I just hope we get to hear Mr. Lambert sing Time for Miracles live at some point. I’m sure we will. Power ballads are such a staple element of every top singer’s repetoire, especially when a singer is fortunate enough to be associated with a big movie ballad.

    The Oscars or Oprah ‘“ I’m betting my flaming headdress on it.

    I say Oscars! I think there is a chance that the next TV broadcast of Adam performing anythin new will be the AMA’s — and that will be a big production of his new single. Not ready to bet my flaming headress but — well maybe my gold platform boots!

  90. This writer really wants to keep the Kris vs Adam competion going! She keeps reminding people that the competition between Kris and Adam is still on, and then she shapes her article that way.

    The writer brings up the fact that Adam is stealing the limelight. Next, she asks Kris about Adam getting better media coverage. It is like she is trying to get Kris to say something to fuel the flames of her agenda. Who knows? She could have asked Kris specifically about why he thinks he isn’t getting any album covers like Adam, or if he thinks Adam is getting covers because he is a controversial figure, and then included his response. We really don’t know. The fact that Kris begins his response with “Here’s the thing” suggests something of that to me.

    Kris’ response:

    “Here’s the thing. Adam’s a little more — OK, let’s say, lot more — controversial than I am, and the press wants him more right now,” says the singer-guitarist. “That’s fine with me. I’m happy for him. He is who he is, and I am who I am. If people want to put me on a cover of a magazine, then cool.”

    Next, she asserts that Kris (underlying message – at last) won’t have to share the spotlight with Adam Sunday. The underlying assumption is that she resents it, and that Kris may, too.

    However, I don’t really think that Kris is of that mind set. He seems to consciously avoid going there, and that is one of the things that I like best about him. Although it may have been true during the AI tour that Kris did have to share the spotlight with Adam, I think that Kris seemed to handle that reality fairly well without too much outward resentment, given that many reviewers favored Adam over Kris, and that many press reports were that the crowds showed up primarily because of Adam. Kris certainly had many fans that showed up to hear him sing and play.

    And just in case anyone was ready for the competion between these two guys to be over with the end of AI, the writer reminds readers that it is still, apparently, a race to the finish for these two artists. Speaking of Kris’ record, she says,

    “The record drops Nov. 17. Good timing; that’s a week before Lambert’s. ”

    Here she goes again, getting readers all hot and bothered about the Kris vs Adam scenario.

    Her questions seem to be tailor made to put Kris on the defensive, a place where I bet he really doesn’t like to be. What was her question here, I’m wondering. Kris response:

    “The only thing that anybody can do is be ourselves,” Allen says. “I am going to do the music that I like. I hope people like it. If they don’t, that’s OK, too.”

    I am sure Adam feels the same way about making his music; I have heard him say similar things. If people don’t like it, buy the other guy’s album, etc…

    Finally, from Kris:

    “We don’t have control over where the music business is headed,” he concedes. “I don’t make music for it to sell, I make music to make it. . . . Other people may have different agendas.”

    Okay, but I am sure, in his best case scenario, that Kris would like to be able to write music that he likes and that would sell. I hope he does. That being said, few songwriters would ever say that they make music for it to sell. It just doesn’t sound cool, especially for an artist establishing his singer/songwriter type persona. Not cool at all.

    Or is it? Adam did say that he is an artist and a businessman, and that the artist in him wants to push people’s buttons right to the edge, while the businessman in him reminds him not to push so far that people can’t relate to his music at all. Okay, I found this cool, but then, Adam can make most things verbal sound cool.

    Let’s just say that one thing I never worry about is that Adam is going to play it safe “just to sell.” He is so creative and out there artistically that it is probably good that he has some voices somewhere reminding him to pull back. In his case, that is probably his best combination. His “pulled back” version is still going to be wild, and at best, wildly good.

    — MADELEINE MARR
    competition alive between Kris and Adam.

    Clearly, Ms. Marr hopes to keep the Kris/Adam competition going at a personal level and fuel the public’s interest in this.

    While there are many artists out there, and all are in competition with each other for the public’s attention at some level, AI is over, and I believe these two artists wish each other well.

    After all, outside of the AI bubble, they offer little direct competition for each other; they are such different artists that they will attract very different kinds of listeners.

    I wish them both well. Now, when is Adam’s single going to be released?????

  91. Article about or interview with Adam = comments and questions about Adam.

    And Adam has been very good about deflecting any attempt to get him to say anything negative about Kris. I have not read or heard one negative comment by Adam about Kris.

    Those don’t really go together — if Adam has not been asked about Kris, he doesn’t have to deflect questions, right? I haven’t been following the interviews much, so I don’t know. Just seems like those are conflicting.

    The whole competition never ending thing is always annoying, apparently even if I am not as invested in the players, ha! Same stuff with David/David last year, same stuff will happen next year… it’s just Idol land.

  92. Meanwhile, if anyone wants to listen to the live stream of Kris’ concert (3 pm Eastern) here is the link. Hopefully it will work ok.

    http://qik.com/aloverestrained

    thanks girlygirl for the link. Hope the sound will be good. ..can’t wait to listen to the new stuff

  93. thank you hwc for encouraging me

    No problem. I quit 20 months ago. Cold Turkey. First time I had gone a day without nicotine since Jimi Hendrix and Duane Allman were still alive. I’m kicking myself that I didn’t learn about the drug addiction and how to escape the trap sooner. It’s really pretty straightforward once you understand the drug addtiction.

    I get really excited when singers quit, because otherwise they’ll end up sounding like Bob Dylan on his Christmas album, unless smoking kills them first (George Harrison, for example). Ryan Adams quit early this year (Mandy made him) and released YouTube videos each night of him singing the saddest songs in his apartment. Kid was a hurtin puppy going throught the withdrawal (like the first week), but he hung in there. You could hear his singing improve almost immediately. When she quit, k.d. lang released an entire album (“Drag”) with every song about smoking.

  94. It comes across as if Kris is saying Adam is getting attention because of controversy and not because of talent. I didn’t want to take it that way but I can why people would.

    No one is is saying Adam isn’t controversial but he is waaaaay more than that and the media interest in him is for more than being a man in eyeliner.

  95. Kris also talked a bit about the lack of attention he got compared to Adam during the Realite interview. He’s a nice guy, but even nice people get jealous at times.

  96. How is Kris slamming Adam by saying Adam is more controversial than Kris?

    Is there anyone who doesn’t agree that Adam is more controversial than Kris? That’s not a knock on Adam, that’s just the way it is. Until the world doesn’t care about a celebrity’s sexuality or about prying into their personal life, that’s likely the way it will continue to be.

    I don’t think peeps are arguing the use of the word “controversial,” but, rather, the implication that that’s the only reason Adam is getting more exposure. Again, I don’t think this is what Kris was implying at all. Reporters often twist things all around or omit parts of statements to embellish the point they’re trying to make in their articles, which is what I think happened to Kris in this interview.

  97. Ain’t gonna happen. If Adam sings TfM at the AMAs I will eat my flaming headdress.

    I sooo hope you are right. Don’t get me wrong – I FLOVE TFM and do hope we hear him perform it live at some point – the ways it which he could switch it up boggle the mind and I am sure that it would be amazing.

    We have been waiting for Adam to be Adam for what seems like an eternity and I want OTT Adam, flaming headdresses, wild-nearly dressed dancers at the AMAs.

  98. I think TFM sucks, but I’d like to hear it live, because Im betting, or maybe just hoping, that he’d breathe more life into it, like he starts to do at the tail end. I’m curious if he can make it end to something more interesting, and I think he can.

  99. Well, if the writer in the Miami article has an agenda against Kris for winning, I think it is sad that his big concert today has been overshadowed by the tone of the writer.This is in Miami, right? But, unfortunately, the way she edited some things leaves peeps thinking Kris is bothered by something whether it is Adam’s attention, the lack of sales of his LLWD, or his record label-I did not get a “he’s humble” vibe from it. But, I remember the whole smelly-gate that was taken out of context for Adam too-and, let’s not forget the swastika thingy. So, seeing that writers or bloggers enjoy controversy by taking things out of context, I’ll give Kris a pass.

  100. As for Kris not wanting fame and fortune, well yeah, I’m sure some part of him would like fame and fortune. Otherwise he likely wouldn’t have tried out for American Idol. And Kris has talked about how he’s dreamed about winning a Grammy some day. But — as is probably the case with most musicians — that isn’t what drives him. Most musicians, including Kris and Adam, simply want to make a living performing the music they love. There are probably a few people who care more about being famous than in making good music, but they are in the minority.

  101. I have no idea if the Miami Herald writer is a Kris or Adam fan, but she sure isn’t doing Kris any favors with the following:

    The “big” football fan is excited to play songs off his debut, self-titled album. Keep an ear out for some of his favorites, like the catchy Live Like We’re Dying, already out on YouTube.

    Good thing Kris isn’t concerned about sales!!

  102. Why does not caring whether you are famous or on magazine covers mean that you don’t have self-esteem? If anything, to me, it means that you have healthy self-esteem such that your image of yourself does not depend on being famous.

    Hear, hear. You know, what can Kris say when he’s asked questions like these? He’s already been enormously generous and humble about his win. But he has an ego, as Adam does. And he’s trying hard to keep his focus on what obviously matters to him the most: his music.

    What can he say that will please everyone? Should he genuflect before the shrine of Adam’s talent at every opportunity? How does he explain how he won? It’s a BS question in the first place, because no one knows exactly why each person voted for him.

    Sure, Kris is not terribly articulate. It would be awfully nice if he was handier with a quip, better able to express the difficult stuff. And to me Adam’s appeal to the praise, at this point, does relate to his flamboyance and “controversial” statements. He’s better copy, more visually arresting, etc., and I think Kris accepts that.

    In the end, though, it is ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC — for me, anyway. Both of these boys are serious about their music, and each one has a far different style than the other.

    What I sincerely hope for Kris is that his album is terrific, that it sells very well, and that he tours successfully and can proceed to create wonderful sounds for the rest of his life. If not, well, he’ll always be a working musician and that’s nothing to sniff at.

    I will venture that part of Kris’s appeal is refreshing humility and “realness.” Adam’s theatricality is great fun too. But as it has with every single Idol, it all comes down to the music…..

  103. This writer really wants to keep the Kris vs Adam competion going!

    Not necesarily. What else is she gonna ask him about? He hasn’t done a lot of high profile exciting things and trying to get the kid to give more than a three word answer is like pulling teeth. She can’t even ask him what southern food he misses from back home in Arkansas because he say some fast food chicken sandwich.

  104. Kris also talked a bit about the lack of attention he got compared to Adam during the Realite interview. He’s a nice guy, but even nice people get jealous at times.

    He’s human. I’m sure it bothers him, but I’m sure being asked about it constantly bothers him even more. He HAS to be at least a little competitive or he would have never gone on, and fought as long on, Idol in the first place.

  105. Ok,was thinking about Adams single and I was wondering if maybe they were waiting to pick his single because they were looking for one that could hit the charts (more dance/electronic) but at the same time make a hell of a lot of impact live (like WLL).

  106. sorry, I meant Kris’s appeal to the “press” not the Praise.” Couldn’t get the copy back to correct that.

    One other thought? I gotta keep remembering these guys, who seem so larger than life on TV, are really young — especially Kris. He’s 24 years old! He’s precocious musically, but that doesn’t always translate into being verbally adroit in your 24,000th interview. If I got famous at that age I’d probably be a hot mess with journalists!

  107. The ‘big’  football fan is excited to play songs off his debut, self-titled album. Keep an ear out for some of his favorites, like the catchy Live Like We’re Dying, already out on YouTube.

    Good thing Kris isn’t concerned about sales!!

    Heh. Thanks for the laugh, will.

  108. She can’t even ask him what southern food he misses from back home in Arkansas because he say some fast food chicken sandwich.

    too funny!

  109. washpd:

    He just loves the music. And I would guess that his ‘other people’  that he’s referring to with different agendas are record label and industry people.

    I would agree with this 100%! I never thought otherwise when I read the interview. Who else would he be referring to? I want to thank those who are pointing out the cut and paste job of this “interview”. I’m almost wondering if he said it’s my job to make the music I like and the PR’s job to sell it…who knows.

  110. hwc when did you stop redacting Kris’ name from blockquotes? Or is that just an oversight?

  111. “Not necesarily. What else is she gonna ask him about? He hasn’t done a lot of high profile exciting things and trying to get the kid to give more than a three word answer is like pulling teeth. She can’t even ask him what southern food he misses from back home in Arkansas because he say some fast food chicken sandwich.”

    That is exactly why he don’t get people clamoring to interview him, because you have to drag every word out of him, unless he already know you and is comfortable. We already know he’s married to Katie, came from Conway and have a great family, what’s left for him to tell. This album is going to have to sell itself, because Kris is not going to sell it in his interviews.

  112. The movie hasn’t even been released yet but “Time For Miracles” is going to be nominated for an Academy Award? What’s the source on that one, Perez Hilton?

  113. Video of these ‘big concerts’  from this stage, this one with a performer who is a hell of lot bigger in Miami than some American Idol.

    And who is an organic, singer/songwriter to boot! Love me some Buffett and now I want a marguerita…

  114. Those don’t really go together ‘” if Adam has not been asked about Kris, he doesn’t have to deflect questions, right?

    Actually, Kris does come up in Adam interviews. He was just asked about Kris and Allison’s singles (to which he replied that he thought they were great); He was just asked if he had seen Kris’ album cover (to which he said he had NOT, but asked how it looked and seemed genuinely happy when the reporter said it was awesome); and, particularly right after the finale, he’s been asked REPEATEDLY about his feelings regarding coming in second place (to which he’s said over and over and over again how Kris is really talented, how he doesn’t view it as a “loss,” yada, yada, yada). He has always been positive about Kris in his statements. The same is true in reverse, though. I don’t think I’ve ever heard Kris say anything that was less than supportive of Adam. Anyway, who cares? The whole Kradam thing should be over, and I’m tired of the press continuing to compare the two of them. I believe they are truly good friends, which is really sweet, but their careers have their own, unique trajectories.

  115. He’s a nice guy, but even nice people get jealous at times.

    Kate8, I’m not buying this in a million years for Kris…

  116. I wonder if Deeska is a Katy Perry nickname ;p

    adamlambert Happy birthday Deeksha!half a minute ago from web

    DC wished her a happy b-day as well.

    Adam also got wind of the fake album

    # adamlambert *the Single SHOULD be out next week…less than 5 seconds ago from web

    # Adam Lambertadamlambert My debut, official album “FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT” will be released Nov 23rd. The SHOULD be out next week. Sorry to keep you guys waiting!

  117. “I think it is sad that his big concert today has been overshadowed by the tone of the writer.”

    Nobody is going to pay attention to one writer, Kris will have his moment and do his thing.

  118. “What else is she gonna ask him about?”
    That’s easy;
    What are your feelings about your album?
    What other performances do you have scheduled to promote your album?
    I understand you now have a band. Can you tell us about them?

    I have more but here is a sample. I really don’t think the writer of the Miami Herald article really did any research or really cared about going into any depth at all. The other interview Kris has done for the Miami media have been a lot better and focused on him and his performance today.

  119. He’s a nice guy, but even nice people get jealous at times.

    Kate8, I’m not buying this in a million years for Kris’ ¦

    As I recall, he got pretty pissed when Simon said Danny sang better in their duet. If I were Kris, I would have been pissed as well since I think it would be an educated guess that Kris did most of the heavy lifting in regards to getting that duet organized and arranged.

    I think Kris may get annoyed at the reporters more so than Adam. If I were him, I would be annoyed.

    ETA-Kris is not a doormat. Why wouldn’t he have normal reactions we all have.

  120. I think it is sad that his big concert today has been overshadowed by the tone of the writer

    Video of these ‘big concerts’  from this stage, this one with a performer who is a hell of lot bigger in Miami than some American Idol:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n__Rtv1J7dY

    OK I’m totally embarrassed now. With the publicity, I envisioned something totally different. I pictured a big stage environment with thousands of footballs/Kris Allen fans standing around flailing, cheering, singing…..oh nvm. Just not what i envisioned. WAs this a bad day for the Buffet man?

  121. HWC

    The interviewer could have asked Kris about lots of things. For instance – his single, his album, the recording process, putting his band together, working on his tour, what he expects the concert today to be like. She could have even talked to him about football. Or rehashed the annoying questions about how Katy is dealing with him not being around much, the fans, the move to L.A.

    I could have interviewed Kris without bringing up Adam. If I could do it, a professional journalist should be able to do it.

  122. This writer really wants to keep the Kris vs Adam competion going!

    Not necesarily. What else is she gonna ask him about? He hasn’t done a lot of high profile exciting things and trying to get the kid to give more than a three word answer is like pulling teeth. She can’t even ask him what southern food he misses from back home in Arkansas because he say some fast food chicken sandwich.

    well, hwc, he’s just completed an album where he wrote/co-wrote 9 of the 12 songs… that could be a start no?

    also thanks for all the details about others quitting smoking. That was quite interesting. I did stopped 2 times in the past for around 3 months each. I like alan Carr book on the ‘easy way to quit smoking’. It does enlighten one about the drug addiction stuff you mentioned

  123. girlygirl: How is Kris slamming Adam by saying Adam is more controversial than Kris?

    Can’t speak for anyone else but I think that Kris’ comments about his music were not great album promo — and didn’t incorporate any recognition of communicating with his audience. Odd thing to say.

    But I really don’t think Kris should have made that comment about Adam. I think it has been a great strategy for him to stay above all of the “Adam is gay, Adam is a non-believe, Adam is [things on “Christian” sites I can’t post here] — but we have all read some of them.

    The contraversy about Adam involves hate at it’s core and IMO the MySpace prank just proves how deep that hate must be. How much do you need to hate someone to refresh the TfM MySpace video thousands of times just to move Adam’s rating down to 20%? Thankfully this bug was correct by MySpace and the real rating in 87%.

    The hateful comments are not about Adam’s music they are nasty, personal and homophobic.

  124. I blame kris’s pr people for not coming up with a charming comeback that he can repeat until press realizes they are getting nothing else. ” I guess I got more votes that night”. And then next question? Or a more pointed I do t know I’m glad I won and I’m glad me (sic) and Adam are friends

    how many times has Adam answered similar questions and used the platform answer? Kris seems to actually think he should answer the questions, but sometimes having a pat answer can really help.

    Kris is trying hard to be a good interview but he’s just not comfortable with it yet. How many times did he say “that’s one of my favorites” in the Lyndsey interview? Just like Adam likes to change things up on stage he has the natural ability to answer interviewrs questions as if he’s hearing them for the first time. It’s a gift — not unlike kris’ s ability to play instruments and write music. I marvel at their friendship.

  125. Up until now, [he] has also been very positive about Adam. I hope the Miami Herald comments are the start of something new ‘” because the only real contraversial thing about Adam is that he is openly gay.

    It could be part of an intentional branding effort. After all, somebody in the kid’s entourage at JIVE made the decision to feature his wedding ring on the cover of his CD. I’m sure that he is well aware of the connotations of using the word “controversial” about Mr. Lambert.

  126. I know my take on celebritism may not be the norm…but heh, I’m not ashamed to admit that I like all the buzz that goes on in a world far, far, away from my cold, dark, drab existence. And, I don’t mean insidious gossip type buzz, I mean the real fairyland stuff that surrounds people I will never meet.

    I think I understand the concept of “I just want to sing, or I just want to act” but then my head gets a little clouded when these people want to sing and act on the biggest stages or in the biggest movies, etc. If people want privacy in their own lives, great…but once in a while they need to put themselves front and center just to keep the buzz going so that they can keep their jobs. The really great one’s know this and do it very very well. Showing up at highly visual awards shows, doing the occasional Tonight Show when they have something to promote, doing a nice piece in a magazine they enjoy so the world will still know they are alive, doing an interview on a highly rated prime-time magazine show, being visible at a charity event.

    Selling yourself isn’t about gossip rags or online blog sites. It’s about doing the legit things and then being happy and upbeat and enthusiastic. So, for me, if you say I just want to sing, or I just want to act don’t put yourself out into a world that may want more from you. And once you have made the decision to go beyond community playhouses or coffee house gigs then present yourself to the world with some pizazz…you are now living the life many dream of and only a few can have.

  127. Bridgette12

    Kris will sell his album in interviews just fine, if given the chance. Take a look at his interview with Lyndsey Parker last week. He talks quite alot about each song, how they were written and how excited he is. Likewise, he talked quite alot about his music with Michael Slezak. Same thing with Jim Cantiello.

    The Miami Herald reporter wasn’t interested in talking to Kris about his music. That’s pretty clear. Unless Kris decided to be rude and straight out tell her he’s only going to talk about his music, he can’t really dictate the questions he is asked.

  128. adamlambert At a resort in Boca Raton. Cant decide on a jet ski rental or a massage… mmmm… Life is tough. :)
    half a minute ago from web adamlambert *the Single SHOULD be out next week…11 minutes ago from web adamlambert My debut, official album “FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT” will be released Nov 23rd. The SHOULD be out next week. Sorry to keep you guys waiting!
    11 minutes ago from web

    Oh please for the love of all that glitters, let it be true!!!!!

  129. Tweets from both

    # KrisAllen4Real At the dolphins saints game!less than a minute ago from Echofon

    # Adam Lambert adamlambert At a resort in Boca Raton. Cant decide on a jet ski rental or a massage… mmmm… Life is tough. :)2 minutes ago from web

  130. Humble is very much over-rated. I know in my profession that if you are ‘humble’  you may as well pack up your drafting supplies’ ¦nobody is going to buy what you have to sell if you can’t sell yourself in the process. I maybe a bit cynical after all these years but I would rather buy something from someone who is all about selling themselves and selling the stuff they are creating. Otherwise I’ll just buy from the dead guys’ ¦tons of their stuff is really good and I can buy it really cheap on-line.

    But, you should have to have something worth selling, hmm?

    There are plenty of so-called “artists” on the charts — past and present — who are all about selling themselves (no matter what they have to do to do it) and they do a great job of it, but their talent is decidedly average. Better artists are overlooked because the former take up so much space in the media, and it’s all very circular — the more press you get (unless you’re an axe murderer), the more people will recognize you and give you a shot — both the public and the industry.

    I think Kris would rather let his music do the talking, but in today’s entertainment industry, you can’t afford to be low key, unless you’ve already made it. Then, you can be as low key as you want, because you’ve already proven yourself and you’re kind of riding on those laurels.

  131. Video of these ‘big concerts’  from this stage, this one with a performer who is a hell of lot bigger in Miami than some American Idol:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n__Rtv1J7dY

    OK I’m totally embarrassed now. With the publicity, I envisioned something totally different. I pictured a big stage environment with thousands of footballs/Kris Allen fans standing around flailing, cheering, singing’ ¦..oh nvm. Just not what i envisioned. WAs this a bad day for the Buffet man?

    It’s a parking lot.
    Not much you can do with that.

  132. Unless Kris decided to be rude and straight out tell her he’s only going to talk about his music, he can’t really dictate the questions he is asked.

    I don’t agree here. I recall an interview with ADam where someone asked him for the 100th time about his crush on Kris and the roommate thingy–Adam turned the interview around with out being rude. He said something like, “That’s old news, lets talk about something new-like the new album or some music”. THe interviewer followed Adam’s lead and left the other questions unanswered. It worked out quite well.

  133. But I really don’t think Kris should have made that comment about Adam. I think it has been a great strategy for him to stay above all of the ‘Adam is gay, Adam is a non-believe, Adam is [things on “Christian” sites I can’t post here] ‘” but we have all read some of them.

    Adam IS controversial. How does Kris stating that fact correlate to him not “staying above” it all? Controversial means you are talked about and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. People talk about how talented he is, how he is so much better than his precedents and how he is going to be a star.

  134. I think you could call this the “Let’s you and him fight” technique of interview.

  135. because the only real contraversial thing about Adam is that he is openly gay.

    Im sorry but that is not true. Adam’s style of singing and his voice is controversial to begin with. Controversy: a prolonged public dispute, debate, or contention; disputation concerning a matter of opinion. You cannot argue that there is a big public dispute about Adam’s voice. Many people love it, and think he is an amazing singer. Many people also think he is a painful singer to listen too, and that his singing is shrill and overdone. Fantasia was controversial because of this, and so is Adam.

  136. There’s nothing embarassing about the stage where Kris is going to perform today. Respectable artists have performed there before, Kris is not the first. Infact lots of them will kill to get a gig like this.
    And also, Kris doesn’t need his fans there today, though a few are going to be there. They are reaching out to a different audience, specifically those outside idol bubble. He doesn’t need to play an arena to get them.

  137. I know after Carrie’s taping he refuted the ‘he shaved’  rumors, but um am I going nuts? He sure looks like he shaved there’ ¦

    For research purposes, I viewed the video many times and paused it at appropriate points and I can say that he is still sporting the “scruff”, but it has most definitely been trimmed to a much shorter length. /end of report.

  138. Q3

    Have no idea what you are talking about. What MySpace prank?

    And yes, there have been far too many hateful, homophobic comments made about Adam. Which is a very sad thing. But that has nothing to do with Kris, since he’s never been anything but open about how much he loves and respects Adam.

    Anyway, I’m tired of talking about this stupid article. I’m focusing on Kris’ concert today. I’m excited to hear his new music.

    Again, here is the link for the livestream

    http://qik.com/aloverestrained

  139. This person is going to the concert…and evidently is already at the stage area…

    yendiders (off the ontd_ai thread about today’s concert)
    Omg some stage guy just came up to me and gave me Kris’ guitar picks some extra ones omfg

  140. This writer really wants to keep the Kris vs Adam competion going!

    Not necesarily. What else is she gonna ask him about? He hasn’t done a lot of high profile exciting things and trying to get the kid to give more than a three word answer is like pulling teeth

    Well, LOL, Kris is a laid back guy, but Lyndsey Parker seemed to be able to get some things out of him. A good interviewer needs to be able to “pull some teeth” from time to time – to be able to pull things out of people and think of ways to get good material. They just need to be prepared with good questions and have even better follow up questions.

    Now, it is true that some people make their job very easy, and that is another reason why the press is all over Adam. He is a great interview. He likes to talk, and will help you get interesting information with hardly any work at all. Likely, he will say things that will make your piece stronger, and if you get to do the interview on tape, then you have it made. (He was even good with the poor girl from San Diego.)

  141. At a resort in Boca Raton. Cant decide on a jet ski rental or a massage… mmmm… Life is tough. :)

    Clearly, this is a slam against Danny. Everybody know he likes his Spa treatments. And what exactly is he doing in Boca? Everybody whose ever watched the Sopranos knows that’s where the mob goes to vacation. Probably planning a hit of some kind. Ooo! Maybe he’s trying to decide whether to have Danny killed when he innocently goes in for a massage or have him impaled by a jet ski.

    There’s passive-aggressive and then there is plain, old aggressive.

    I jest. I jest (and yes, I know that he’s there for a benefit…probably for the mob…)

  142. I could have interviewed Kris without bringing up Adam. If I could do it, a professional journalist should be able to do it.

    But the only news in the article was the Adam comment. Everything else has been printed before. Reporters try to get something new. And, I think this is the first time Kris has said anything like this:

    “Here’s the thing. Adam’s a little more — OK, let’s say, lot more — controversial than I am, and the press wants him more right now,” says the singer-guitarist. “That’s fine with me. I’m happy for him. He is who he is, and I am who I am. If people want to put me on a cover of a magazine, then cool.”

    If I didn’t know a lot about Kris, that sounds envious (I don’t believe Kris is BTW). And, it also dismissed that fact that people (including the press) might be interested in Adam because he is talented — just because he’s contraversial.

    If Adam was an openly gay AI runner up, who was boring, bland and plain-looking, would the press be covering him like they are? I doubt it. But Adam is talented, new, stylish and exciting — an a lot of people think he’s very attractive/sexy. The 3 Adam mag covers have sold out in record time — just try to find the Details Adam issue. Articles about him drive traffic to media websites. The gay story along would have lasted about 30 days — IMO the Adam’s media buzz is being fueled by more than “he’s gay”.

  143. also thanks for all the details about others quitting smoking. That was quite interesting. I did stopped 2 times in the past for around 3 months each. I like alan Carr book on the ‘easy way to quit smoking’. It does enlighten one about the drug addiction stuff you mentioned

    I didn’t discover Alan Carr until after I had quit, but his stuff is fantastic in the way it debunks the myths. For a day-by-day guide and for staying quit, the free resources at http://www.whyquit.com are incredible. The secret to staying quit is to just wake up each day (or each week or each month, whatever works for you) and make a personal commitment to never take another puff for 24 hours. I do it once a month on my anniversary. Go to the whyquit forums read a couple of pages of stories of people who threw it all away after even a year by taking one puff and then I make a commitment for another 30 days. That’s the physical addiction. One puff hijacks the nicotine receptors in the brain again and re-activates the brain chemistry changes that accompany the addiciton. 95% of quitters who take one puff end up right back at the full rate of smoking. The “secret” is to understand that and just not allow yourself to ever consider smoking (after you’ve gotten through the withdrawal phase).

    Here’s one of those middle of the night nicotine withdrawal music videos Ryan Adams posted. This was on like his second or third night. He was a hurtin’ puppy. I’m sure he looks at this now and thinks, “man, I never wanna have to do that again….”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY1xpQ9NDl8

  144. I don’t agree here. I recall an interview with ADam where someone asked him for the 100th time about his crush on Kris and the roommate thingy’“Adam turned the interview around with out being rude. He said something like, ‘That’s old news, lets talk about something new-like the new album or some music’ . THe interviewer followed Adam’s lead and left the other questions unanswered. It worked out quite well.

    I’m with you on this one alaadam. Kris will learn how to deal better with this as time goes by

  145. PR Adam – This guy does have a beautiful voice.

    adamlambert One of my two BRILLIANT vocal coaches on Idol has an CD out on CDBaby and Amazon. His name is DORIAN HOLLEY. He has a beautiful voice!2 minutes ago from web

  146. KrisAllen4real

    # At the dolphins saints game!11 minutes ago from Echofon

  147. And yes, there have been far too many hateful, homophobic comments made about Adam. Which is a very sad thing. But that has nothing to do with Kris, since he’s never been anything but open about how much he loves and respects Adam.

    I couldn’t have said it better.

  148. next week for the single sounds perfect

    Does next week mean the coming tuesday or the tuesday after that?

  149. @paaattty yeah this “take one” thing is basically “on with the show” re-tooled. Now this is ALL material recorded in ’05 not written by me.

    Not sure you all saw this since it was a reply to someone and doesn’t come up unless you’re on Adam’s Twitter page.

  150. # At the dolphins saints game!

    You may be hanging with the saints, but keep an eye out for the mob, Kris!

    (seriously, I’m kidding)

  151. Hasn’t it been established that she probably didn’t interview Kris, that the quote came from an interview Kris gave right after winning Idol? It looks like she did a little research and slapped a blurb together. Its not even a page long.

  152. I will venture that part of Kris’s appeal is refreshing humility and ‘realness.’  Adam’s theatricality is great fun too.

    When i listen to Adam’s interviews and I get awed by how truly humble he seems despite his enormous talent, I sometimes cant help asking myself if those words are really coming from his good heart or if he is just a very good speaker. But isnt there a saying that what comes from your mouth reflects your heart or something like that? Sorry, if im not making any sense. will go to sleep now. :)

  153. Does next week mean the coming tuesday or the tuesday after that?

    I’m hoping we get a snippet this week, with the download Nov. 2nd or 3rd. That wouod be perfect, right in the middle of his This Is It exposure.

  154. Something’s very wrong with Adam’s Twitter. All those @someone tweets that do not sound like him. Like:

    @reticent3 Oh sweety, I was only speaking of the strange few… Why must u generalize? You seem clever….about 7 hours ago from Echofon

    Think he dropped his iPhone somewhere? Still partying? Read them all:
    http://twitter.com/adamlambert

  155. So Adam tweeted that his single will be released this week. Any idea what day? Is there a normal release day or could it be any day?

  156. Maybe this Miami Herald writer is in the throes of nicotine withdrawal herself … ;)

    I vote for the jet ski because then we might get pictures.

    And very excited to hear about the SINGLE next week!

  157. LMAO – people can’t handle Adam tweeting so much.

    @mmmfelicious hilarious. :) Im not HACKED… whats w the conspiracy theories guys??4 minutes ago from web

    ETA: I glad he’s straightforward about this

    @paaattty yeah this “take one” thing is basically “on with the show” re-tooled. Now this is ALL material recorded in ’05 not written by me.

  158. girlygirl: Q3: Have no idea what you are talking about. What MySpace prank?

    Three days ago a few people (the infamous Waco TX guys claim credit on one of the hacker sites but I think that is bogus) discovered a bug in the MySpace rating system and artificially pushed the rating on Adam’s TfM down to 20% by voting 0% thousands of times — that takes a lot of dedication. MySpace finally fixed the bug and it is back to a rational 87% — inline with the rest of the Web ratings.

    It appears to be very similar to the online claims of automated Adam “long-time” phone votes that appeared on hacker sites after the Idol final. That was never proven, and I doubt it was done. But MySpace has admitted and corrected this bug.

  159. reticent3 Gaga wouldn’t call fans “entitled” nor “smelly”. Yes she gets it. @adamlambert does not.about 11 hours ago from web

    @reticent3 Oh sweety, I was only speaking of the strange few… Why must u generalize? You seem clever….about 7 hours ago from Echofon

  160. Adam’s tweeting like crazy this morning:

    adamlambert

    @mmmfelicious hilarious. :) Im not HACKED… whats w the conspiracy theories guys??3 minutes ago from web

    One of my two BRILLIANT vocal coaches on Idol has an CD out on CDBaby and Amazon. His name is DORIAN HOLLEY. He has a beautiful voice!7 minutes ago from web

    At a resort in Boca Raton. Cant decide on a jet ski rental or a massage… mmmm… Life is tough. :)16 minutes ago from web

    *the Single SHOULD be out next week…26 minutes ago from web

    My debut, official album “FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT” will be released Nov 23rd. The SHOULD be out next week. Sorry to keep you guys waiting!27 minutes ago from web

    @paaattty yeah this “take one” thing is basically “on with the show” re-tooled. Now this is ALL material recorded in ’05 not written by me.28 minutes ago from web

    Happy birthday Deeksha!31 minutes ago from web

    @MandyHere_ believe it girl, believe it. :)31 minutes ago from web

    @adamissexable I try to stay smelling pretty good. :)38 minutes ago from web

    @number8gurl The “epic rock kick”? hahah that was so crazy. Someone threw a dildo at my leg! It was so distracting… now? funny as hell.39 minutes ago from web

  161. I remember that yesterday there was a tweet reported here that someone was going to air another interview with Adam (Dish of Salt,..?…). I didn’t read the post carefully, just figuring the interview would show up in this thread today. Does anyone remember that???? Or perhaps I live in some strange parallel universe!!

  162. Well, LOL, [he] is a laid back guy, but Lyndsey Parker seemed to be able to get some things out of him.

    We must have watched a different interview. You are talking about the one with the kid sitting cross-legged in Simon Fuller’s office, right. Poor Lyndsey did 90% of the talking in that interview. She wore out three sets of pliers trying to pull teeth.

  163. I’m also done with this stupid article.
    .. looking forward to hear Kris new songs..

  164. And here’s the order of Adam’s tweets (bottom up) for anyone keeping track of his statements about the rip-off album vs. the real album:

    *the Single SHOULD be out next week…23 minutes ago from web

    My debut, official album “FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT” will be released Nov 23rd. The SHOULD be out next week. Sorry to keep you guys waiting!24 minutes ago from web

    @paaattty yeah this “take one” thing is basically “on with the show” re-tooled. Now this is ALL material recorded in ’05 not written by me.25 minutes ago from web

  165. Hasn’t it been established that she probably didn’t interview Kris, that the quote came from an interview Kris gave right after winning Idol?

    No it has not. And I highly doubt the Miami Herald reporter is going to risk getting fired because she was too lazy to do a real interview with Kris.

  166. Poor Lyndsey did 90% of the talking in that interview. She wore out three sets of pliers trying to pull teeth.

    hwc, i think we didn’t listen to the same interview because Kris did 90% of the talking

  167. I think he is hacked I didn’t see those older posts – unless he’s drunk I don’t think it’s Adam.

  168. But then this post sounds like Adam

    One of my two BRILLIANT vocal coaches on Idol has an CD out on CDBaby and Amazon. His name is DORIAN HOLLEY. He has a beautiful voice!13 minutes ago from web

  169. How does one know if it is hacked or real? Know nothing about twitter, sorry :)

  170. Hasn’t it been established that she probably didn’t interview [The American Idol]?

    If she didn’t interview him while he was at the stadium for the press avail, how would she have known to put a short joke in her article — the dig about being a “big” football fan?

  171. But then this post sounds like Adam

    He is great about giving props, but that CD is from 2008. Isn’t he usually a little more timely in his posts?

  172. I think it is sad that his big concert today has been overshadowed by the tone of the writer.

    Huh? Nothing will overshadow this concert for Kris and his fans. It’s seemingly been an uphill battle since…during the show, so why would one blogger make a difference now?

    Not necesarily. What else is she gonna ask him about?

    The best interviewers have asked about his music. It doesn’t take much to realize this is what Kris is about and with a small amount of research one can find this out. It’s beyond me why some interviewers are payed for taking the easy route…

  173. Adam has been responding to people tweets.. they think his twitter get hacked .. but he’s been tweeting all morning.. it’s weird.. it’s not like Adam

  174. No it has not. And I highly doubt the Miami Herald reporter is going to risk getting fired because she was too lazy to do a real interview with Kris.

    Huh? Get fired? Reporters do that kind of thing all the time. She never says she interviewed him in the story. Somebody might have told her to do a little write up about Kris Allen and she did. Her mistake was not being explicit about where the quotes came from.

    It’s not that big of a deal. I just thought I remembered someone posting that upthread, so I asked.

    If she didn’t interview him while he was at the stadium for the press avail, how would she have known to put a short joke in her article ‘” the dig about being a ‘big’  football fan?

    He could have easily said he was a football fan before. Or not. But the quote about Adam being more controversial was from right after the finale, someone said.

  175. But then this post sounds like Adam

    He is great about giving props, but that CD is from 2008. Isn’t he usually a little more timely in his posts?

    True – I didn’t notice the date. Maybe he is hacked?

  176. For the shallow among us, here is visual proof that David Cook’s scruff is still there.

    http://twitpic.com/mwkp3

    What I think is interesting is that he doesn’t look like he is getting ready to or was in the midst of home building. (Actually, it looks like he’s about to perform or just performed.) Are they now through with the “dirty” work on Extreme Home Makeover? What exactly has his role been in this and when did he do it?

  177. Regarding Adam tweets:

    The reference to “official debut album” make me think that “Take One” will be released on 11/17/09.

    And the single “next week” means that his new single will be out before 11/17/09. So I guess next week is around 11/2 with a leak or info this Friday?

  178. Adam isn’t hacked, it’s all him. But talk about beginner’s luck — “reticent3” just opened her Twitter account, and her VERY FIRST tweet got a reponse from Adam.

  179. Regarding twitter, arent you supposed to get everything that Adam sent out, when he’s responding to someone’s twitt? I follow Adam’s twitter and only saw the birthday wishes, the FYE, the single, jet sky and Dorian twitts… didn’t get all the other ones that “supposedly” he twatts..

  180. Adamme, if someone you follow starts their tweet out with @somebodysname that you don’t follow, you won’t see it. Only if you go to the sender’s twitter page will you see it.

  181. You only get the @ tweets if you follow the person he’s responding to. That’s why I missed a lot of the other tweets until I went to his page.

  182. Adam isn’t hacked, it’s all him. But talk about beginner’s luck ‘” ‘reticent3’ ³ just opened her Twitter account, and her VERY FIRST tweet got a reponse from Adam.

    Or the hacker made the new account to begin the game.

  183. I don’t really get why Adam is making news with his single as quoted in the article above. The single is sitting at #41 on Itunes – wouldn’t call that a smash hit just yet. With all the hype and promo he is getting for his Times For Miracles single – even showing clips of making the video on Access Hollywood – you would think the song would be sitting at #1. His first single from his album better be really good – like Lady Gaga good – or he will not live up to all the hype he is getting. Poor Kris, I knew that Adam would get all the hype after the show and whether Adam won and the runner up was overshadowed or Adam was the runner-up and overshadowed the winner – I knew it would not be good for the one in the top two with Adam. Danny and Allison are in much better positions because there is not near as much pressure on them as on Kris. They can do decently like Kellie Pickler and probably do fine but the expectations for Adam and Kris are much higher.

  184. Someone tweeted Adam about whether he’s still going to be on GMA on the 24th of November. Here’s his answer:

    adamlambert

    @PastaBaby Yes Ma’am I am!12 minutes ago from web

  185. Maybe Boca is the new Bermuda triangle.

    The tweets are completely out of Adam’s usual Twitter character. Unless he’s drunk. Or something. And it makes no sense to even address the J.Scott/HiFi drek and give them free PR. Or so off-handedly mention release of single. After all the “when?” fervor. Makes no sense.

    And last night, if there was a Party City Halloween Party, why wouldn’t Party City not want heavy pic coverage of Adam in costume? (And get yours at Party City, kids…) Not one camera at a party?

  186. What I think is interesting is that he doesn’t look like he is getting ready to or was in the midst of home building. (Actually, it looks like he’s about to perform or just performed.) Are they now through with the ‘dirty’  work on Extreme Home Makeover? What exactly has his role been in this and when did he do it?

    That picture of David Cook was taken during the charity auction that was held yesterday afternoon. He was one of the spotters at the auction. His donated, signed guitar was auctioned off for $1,100. That’s why he’s dressed as he is.

    In case you missed the video of that event, here is the link.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8riTs8fOJfM&feature=player_embedded

    There have been tweets this morning that he’s at the work site today. They are currently in the dry-wall/painting stages, which he is experienced at. So it’s my guess he’s slapping some paint on the walls today.

  187. Assuming this is Adam (and not some hacker) the trick to getting a response is to tweet something clever.

    For example:

    @adamlambert Oh bb, did you get hacked again? Ilikethetop is not a good password, JSYK.
    29 minutes ago from web

    Which prompted this response:

    @mmmfelicious hilarious. Im not HACKED’ ¦ whats w the conspiracy theories guys??3 minutes ago from web

  188. Re the Adam twitterfest. Yes, out of the ordinary, except when he’s having a twitter party, then not so much. This was unannounced though, so who knows. I think the info re Take One is specific enough to make it arguably really Adam. lol

  189. Huh? Get fired? Reporters do that kind of thing all the time.

    They steal quotes from other copyrighted articles without attribution? That certainly should be a firing offense. And journalistic ethics would dictate against it even if it isn’t.

  190. Poor Jim C. isn’t gonna be able to listen to the live stream of Kris’ concert…

    jambajim Ugh I’ll be driving back to NYC when @KrisAllen4Real debuts new songs today. Y’all will have to flail w/o me. Break a leg, Kris & Cale etc!

  191. For the shallow among us, here is visual proof that David Cook’s scruff is still there.

    http://twitpic.com/mwkp3

    I like it. I like scruff, but he’s been keeping more of an actual beard lately, which is okay sometimes, but too much at others. The light scruff reminds me of Top 9 Little Sparrow night right after the haircut, and when he supposedly “lost [his] shaver”. Just a day or two’s growth is ideal, IMO. Too much makes me think lumberjack, especially with the plaid heh. Anyway, seems that pic is from the auction, not the work site, so it makes sense that he wasn’t dressed for construction work. I’m not sure how much actual work he’s going do. Any updates from those on site lately?

    Clearly, this is a slam against Danny. Everybody know he likes his Spa treatments. And what exactly is he doing in Boca? Everybody whose ever watched the Sopranos knows that’s where the mob goes to vacation. Probably planning a hit of some kind. Ooo! Maybe he’s trying to decide whether to have Danny killed when he innocently goes in for a massage or have him impaled by a jet ski.

    Omg, Kirsten, why does Adam wanna kill Danny?!?!!?!

  192. Let’s face facts here. Kris has a good case to make for deserving a bit more media attention in his role as AI winner, while Adam is like Britt Spears on Superbowl Sunday: utterly over-exposed. There is no way around this. It’s just true.

    Now, Kris saying that it doesn’t “bother” him is a load of BS. Anyone with a competitive streak, a mind for business or a healthy, emotional heart would be “bothered” by this apparent media imbalance.

  193. Twitpics from the person who is doing the livestream. Looks like she’s going to be in the first row

    LOL! Yep! It does look that way doesn’t it??

  194. Let’s face facts here. Kris has a good case to make for deserving a bit more media attention in his role as AI winner, while Adam is like Britt Spears on Superbowl Sunday: utterly over-exposed. There is no way around this. It’s just true.

    But it is 100% supply and demand out there.
    Media won’t be told who to want- they go after whomever gets them readers and/or viewers.
    If Kris wants more exposure he needs to do something to keep himself in demand.
    Like give more interesting interviews.

  195. I think he is hacked I didn’t see those older posts ‘“ unless he’s drunk I don’t think it’s Adam.

    I don’t think it’s him either……and I would hope he wouldn’t be drunk at this time of day.

    He doesn’t tweet like forever and now this? Not buying it.

  196. I remember one time hearing a director (the one who is the brother of the woman who played Laverne on Laverne and Shirley… sorry, bad memory for names) say that if you had an extremely noticible attribute, like a big nose or were very short, something that was not always considered to be a good thing to the social majority, it was good for you as an actor if you owned it because then you could actually use it to market yourself. It would make you stand out.

    Adam is an openly gay singer, and traditionally that has not been marketable in America. But I think Adam has a real chance at making that change. He is standing out. He is owning who he is, and people (and the press) are interested. Although the “controversy” around that is getting him some initial attention, good and bad, his talent is what will sustain that attention. Yes, there are some people who will continue to be hateful and narrow-minded, but there are more who either don’t care, or who love his courage and honesty. What is amazing considering our social history, is that I believe that in the end, it will all be about his music and his performances. And that, for me, bodes well for his future, and for the social implications of our society.

  197. Sorry to interrupt the angst about the Kris article today (LOL) and the uncovering of Adam’s gangsta plot to kill Danny, but for those of us interested:

    LLWD 1265 spins last week; 6.03 AI; 450 HAC, 791 Pop. Up four spots since yesterday to #33 HAC, dropped from #50 on Pop from the day before, so maybe 51-52 right now. It’s been hovering close to the #50 spot for a few days. Still not doing squat on iTunes.

    Carry on!

  198. They steal quotes from other copyrighted articles without attribution? That certainly should be a firing offense. And journalistic ethics would dictate against it even if it isn’t.

    No, I mean reporters do stories where they take quotes from other places all the time. That is not unusual. I did say that her mistake was not being explicit about where the quote came from.

    Originally you seem to object to the idea that she might not have interviewed Kris by saying that the fact of not interviewing Kris would get her fired. I was just saying that in and of itself is not a problem, but she would need to attribute the quote to wherever she got it from.

    In any case, none of this answers my question. Did the “Adam is more controversial” quote come from an interview shortly after the finale, or not? I don’t follow Kris closely enough to know.

  199. LLWD 1265 spins last week; 6.03 AI; 450 HAC, 791 Pop. Up four spots since yesterday to #33 HAC, dropped from #50 on Pop from the day before, so maybe 51-52 right now. It’s been hovering close to the #50 spot for a few days. Still not doing squat on iTunes.

    Where is it on itunes? Does this mean that spins are not translating to sales? What does all this mean-in English?

  200. No, I mean reporters do stories where they take quotes from other places all the time. That is not unusual. I did say that her mistake was not being explicit about where the quote came from.

    If you’ve ever been interviewed for a print article, you’ll also know that being misquoted is extremely common. I’ve been interviewed a couple of times, and have never been quoted accurately.

    I’m willing to believe that Kris was interviewed for this article, but that doesn’t mean the quotes reflect what he actually said. Also, Kris might have said all kinds of fascinating stuff about his music, but that doesn’t mean the reporter would necessarily put it in the article.

  201. Where is it on itunes? Does this mean that spins are not translating to sales? What does all this mean-in English?

    LLWD 139 on itunes
    51 itunes pop chart

  202. Where is it on itunes? Does this mean that spins are not translating to sales? What does all this mean-in English?

    1. The song is gaining spins – being played on radio more often
    2. Although it is gaining in spins, it has not gained enough to crack solidly into the top 50 songs in airplay. There are other songs gaining faster.
    3. The song is not moving up the rankings on ITunes. This could be bad, or it could mean nothing. If it is selling about the same as other songs with the same amount of spins it is fine. If not, it is bad.

    Significant movement up Itunes tends not to happen until a song is reaching a larger sized audience than this one. So we can’t judge the fact that is hasn’t moved quite yet.

  203. tinawina one poster upthread said the Adam quote came from an old Lyndsey Parker interview, but I’ve seen no proof that it’s a word-for-word excerpt from the earlier interview, so my theory is that Kris probably just is repeating himself in his response. Now if somebody can offer proof that all of the quotes in the Miami Herald are old and taken from other interviews, I will stand corrected, and Madeleine Marr’s job should be in jeopardy.

  204. Can’t say whether Adam has been hacked on his twitter or not but I will say that he is SOMEWHAT RELAXING for the first time in weeks and weeks. And what else is there to do at a Florida Spa Hotel (filled with all the “old folks” from New York and New Jersey (how’s that for stereotyping)). His “work” is done for a bit…the album is pretty well finished, the songs are chosen, the video for TfM is done. Maybe he can relax until the premier of TII and then the REAL WORK begins.

  205. Anyway, seems that pic is from the auction, not the work site, so it makes sense that he wasn’t dressed for construction work.

    Yeah, I know. What I was trying feebly to get across was that he didn’t look like he was in work/home building plaid clothes or “regular” plaid clothes. He looked (to me) dressed — in sleek black — for a performance and so I wondered if they were taping him singing — or something of that nature — for the show.

  206. Poor Lyndsey did 90% of the talking in that interview. She wore out three sets of pliers trying to pull teeth.

    LOL, Well, Lyndsey is very talkative.

  207. Alaadam

    Radio play hasn’t seemed to help in LLWD’s sales. It is currently #141 on iTunes chart (TFM is at #42)

  208. If Kris wants more exposure he needs to do something to keep himself in demand.
    Like give more interesting interviews.

    Or maybe… just maybe… make great music. Just saying.

  209. Another tweet from the concert (which is scheduled to start in about half an hour)

    arabellahope It is SO HOT which means one thing: SWEATY KRIS.half a minute ago from txt

  210. Clearly, this is a slam against Danny. Everybody know he likes his Spa treatments. And what exactly is he doing in Boca? Everybody whose ever watched the Sopranos knows that’s where the mob goes to vacation. Probably planning a hit of some kind. Ooo! Maybe he’s trying to decide whether to have Danny killed when he innocently goes in for a massage or have him impaled by a jet ski.

    Exactly.. he’s a bad boy doing bad boy thing.. he’s in cohorts with mob in Boca…. but I think Danny loves his facial and manicure & padicure… you need to get the fact right to send out rumors.. .. let see if Perez will help .. LOL

  211. tinawina one poster upthread said the Adam quote came from an old Lyndsey Parker interview, but I’ve seen no proof that it’s a word-for-word excerpt from the earlier interview, so my theory is that Kris probably just is repeating himself in his response.

    Finally! Thank you! LOL. Okay, so we don’t know if that was true, that might be a stock answer of sorts for Kris. Alrighty then. I couldn’t figure out why people were still talking about it as if he said it yesterday, so as it turns out he really might have said it yesterday. Clears that up.

  212. Haha, I think you asked these same questions yesterday, but I could be wrong.

    It’s still where it was yesterday, maybe a little worse. I’m no expert, Kirsten is the one who should answer about the radio stuff, but all I know is it’s continuing to pick up stations, audience impression, spins, and chart position. I just like to take a look at the charts daily because we only get the media spin post on Mondays. The increases over the past couple 10 days or so aren’t translating to sales (yet?).

  213. hey y’all!!!! I have to catch up on this thread

    but

    my grandparents just left.they (especially my grandma) take care of me while my parents work.they’re like perfect.they’ve been visiting since January 20(the day I fell in flove with Adam!!!) and they’ll probably be back in a few months but…I’m really sad about it.

    sorry ,I’ll stop being cheesy (im just so sad about it ,i couldn’t go to the airport because I’m still sick at home w/swine flu)

    and

    I’m SOOOO excited to hear some new kris music!!!!!!!

  214. There was a tweet a little while ago that someone at the site saw David wearing a hardhat so he must be doing some type of labor lol

  215. Can’t speak for anyone else but I think that Kris’ comments about his music were not great album promo ‘” and didn’t incorporate any recognition of communicating with his audience. Odd thing to say.

    First of all, someone already pointed out that this quote was taken from a previous interview done quite a while back. (Seems about RS cover time.) As the entire interview seemed to be.

    Next, can anyone deny that Adam is controversial? I’m not speaking about his sexuality, but his own decisions on how to promote himself. I for one would be thrilled with Adam promoting himself on his voice and musical and performing abilities alone. For some reason, both Adam and those who are promoting him seem to think it will take more. Adam doesn’t seem to mind the controversy either. His take is to push the envelope and to push it far. That’s his choice, fine. I think he would say he’s controversial, and since this is part of who his is, why wouldn’t a friend say the same thing.

    Finally, many (self included) believe Kris’s talent is right up there with Adam’s, but different.

    Oops, looks like carmine2008 pointed out the same thing, only more succinctly. She just responded to a different quote, same post.

  216. Girlygirl:

    LLWD looks to be pretty solidly on the HAC charts, and is moving up pretty quickly there – it has some of the largest spincreases of any HAC song right now. I don’t know what that means long-term, though.

    On Pop, it’s still on the Taking Off chart, so still increasing but not as quickly as it is on HAC.

  217. I think some people confuse the term “controversial” with “buzz-worthy”, the latter being the reason for all the media love.

  218. And, Monte, his fans are totally aware of this. Many of us have already come to terms with his failure’ ¦but thanks for the update, its always good to know.

    I’ve lit some candles and put on my black clothing.

  219. Other tweet from concert

    arabellahope There is, in fact, a red guitar.

    Haha

  220. As long as the fans insist on keeping these two tied at the hip as “Kradam”, why are we so surprised that reporters do also. For the sake of both of them, let them separate and get on with their own careers. Yes, they are friends but they are not married. Kradam was cute for awhile….it isn’t any more. I like David Cook and I like David Archuletta but I am not forcing them to be linked together. Could you imagine if Jordan Sparks and Blake were forced to have a Jordin/Blake discussion thread on each of their official fan sites.

  221. Finally, many (self included) believe Kris’s talent is right up there with Adam’s, but different.

    Me too. Include Allison in that. I like all 3 but I’m not OTT for anyone, and I don’t think any of them are OMG SO MUCH BETTER!!!!!! than the others. I think they all have potential to have good careers in different ways. But I do feel like as soon as you say something not glowing about 1, the assumption is you must be an uber fan of one of the others. LOL. Oh well, such is Idol fandom.

  222. Cookcricket: First of all, someone already pointed out that this quote was taken from a previous interview done quite a while back. (Seems about RS cover time.) As the entire interview seemed to be.

    Are there any links? It is okay if there are none. Just wondering about the veracity.

  223. tinawina one poster upthread said the Adam quote came from an old Lyndsey Parker interview, but I’ve seen no proof that it’s a word-for-word excerpt from the earlier interview, so my theory is that Kris probably just is repeating himself in his response.

    Finally! Thank you! LOL. Okay, so we don’t know if that was true, that might be a stock answer of sorts for Kris.

    Hey, I was going to answer, but hard catching up with y’all sometimes.

    And yeah, repeating one’s self when asked the same questions, doesn’t mean that the interview took something from a previous interview…except the question. Adam gets asked All. The. Time. about not winning and I know I could give his answer by heart now. It’s why people inside the AI bubble get so frustrated with repeat questions, because we all know the answer by now.

    And Adam’s Tweets sound incredibly suspicious to me. Not like he hasn’t been hacked before. And his saying he’s not hacked? Oh yeah, that would totally prove he isn’t by saying it wasn’t. Of course a hacker is going to totally admit that they’re hacking…not!

  224. But it is 100% supply and demand out there.
    Media won’t be told who to want- they go after whomever gets them readers and/or viewers.
    If Kris wants more exposure he needs to do something to keep himself in demand.
    Like give more interesting interviews.

    The media often drive a story. Consciously. They do not always make like formally journo-schooled, good boys and girls and limit themselves to simply “giving us what we want.” Hardly. In fact, they often cheerlead—drool, even—for him or for her, for this or for that cause. They often crusade, are attracted to “controversy,” “negative news,” “fringe” elements, death, dying, crime, war, violence, sex, “hyprocrisy,” etc.

    Finally, it would be naive to think that Rolling Stone or MTV (for instance) took a long, hard look at Kris’ impressive repertoire and his millions of “middle American” voters and concluded that the public just wasn’t interested. At all. No, there’s more going on here, and all one needs to do is to watch David Archuleta’s Christmas caroling video at MTV headquarters to figure it out. And do pay special attention to the MTV employees.

  225. Maybe he is hacked?

    Or kidnapped!

    Oh no.. Adam is hacked and then kidnapped and they brought him to Boca where all the mobs are.. then he becomes one of them.. plotting something to killing Danny.. because he likes his facial and mani padi.. LOL.. that’s sound like a good transcrip for an action movie.. then maybe the producer can ask Kris to sing the credit song this time… wacha think?

  226. Finally, it would be naive to think that Rolling Stone or MTV (for instance) took a long, hard look at Kris’ impressive repertoire and his millions of ‘middle American’  voters and concluded that the public just wasn’t interested. At all. No, there’s more going on here, and all one needs to do is to watch David Archuleta’s Christmas caroling video at MTV headquarters to figure it out. And do pay special attention to the MTV employees.

    Intriguing. Do tell, what does this mean?

  227. I am going to go on record to say, “There is no way in hell that Adam is going to sing TFM on the AMAs one day before his album comes out.”

  228. No, it was not this interview. I distinctly remember ‘appeal’ being used at least 3 times in the sentence and that Adam was not looking at Kris at the time. He was either looking down or a little off camera, IIRC. It was just a very awkward moment.

    Just for the record. The akward interview where Kris says he won cause his appeal was greater was the one where Adam said he like the “top”.

  229. No, there’s more going on here, and all one needs to do is to watch David Archuleta’s Christmas caroling video at MTV headquarters to figure it out. And do pay special attention to the MTV employees.

    OK, I’ll try and decipher what you are saying here. Are you saying the employees at MTV appeared gay, so the media (also gay and/or gay-symphthetic?) prefer Adam to Kris and give him more publicity b/c of this?

    Just a stab in the dark, if I’m wrong, please clarify. I didn’t *quite* know where you were going with that.

  230. No, there’s more going on here, and all one needs to do is to watch David Archuleta’s Christmas caroling video at MTV headquarters to figure it out. And do pay special attention to the MTV employees.

    Huh? Please explain. I watched that video and other than deciding it was mostly boring and mildly cute I got nothing more. What was I supposed to take away from the media about it? They purposely made him boring so that it wouldn’t be put on TV?

  231. Just for the record. The akward interview where Kris says he won cause his appeal was greater was the one where Adam said he like the ‘top’ .

    That is the clip I linked to a few pages back, but I guess there’s another one as well?

  232. No, it was not this interview. I distinctly remember ‘appeal’ being used at least 3 times in the sentence and that Adam was not looking at Kris at the time. He was either looking down or a little off camera, IIRC. It was just a very awkward moment.

    Just for the record. The akward interview where Kris says he won cause his appeal was greater was the one where Adam said he like the ‘top’ .

    Also when they both in NY Press round in Today Show (NBC)… was that what they call it

  233. Intriguing. Do tell, what does this mean?

    It means that they have a horse in this race. A horse of their own.

    And there’s nothing wrong with cheerleading as long as one is not so deluded as to believe that the gap between Adam’s and Kris’ respective talent and popularity is either entirely commensurate with or worthy of the disparate media coverage, or that there isn’t some other causality at work there.

  234. Finally, it would be naive to think that Rolling Stone or MTV (for instance) took a long, hard look at Kris’ impressive repertoire and his millions of ‘middle American’  voters and concluded that the public just wasn’t interested. At all.

    The millions of voters who buy his product?
    They print what sells.
    Seems to me if you’ve seen him hem and haw once you don’t need to see it too awfully many times again.

    My point was that I believe that Kris needs to take a more proactive approach to marketing himself and I stand by that.

  235. It means that they have a horse in this race. A horse of their own.

    I knew it!! You’re playing the gay card!
    LOL

  236. Finally, it would be naive to think that Rolling Stone or MTV (for instance) took a long, hard look at Kris’ impressive repertoire and his millions of ‘middle American’  voters and concluded that the public just wasn’t interested. At all. No, there’s more going on here, and all one needs to do is to watch David Archuleta’s Christmas caroling video at MTV headquarters to figure it out. And do pay special attention to the MTV employees.

    IMPRESSIVE REPERTOIRE! I don’t think there is some type of media conspiracy that is preventing “middle America” from seeing interviews of Kris Allen. There are a lot of celebrities and all are vying to to get in the spotlight. Magazines and television shows are all looking for people who will help with ratings and sells, not many are just going to pick that nice sweet guy, without him having else something going for him. It’s the reality of the media world, they want a good, interesting story which people will read. As much as I like Kris and David, they are not the hot story right now.

  237. I like David Cook and I like David Archuletta but I am not forcing them to be linked together.

    Well you might not, but the press still, as I understand, mentions the other in articles about them. And they did that Philippines concert together this year, yes? So yeah, being tied together can be part of the idol experience. Oh well.

  238. sorry reaaally stupid question but on the link to kris’s concert the videos made by that user come up,which one should I click?!

  239. I realize that successive generations are finding it a bit more difficult to tell the truth, to call spade a spade, etc., for fear of being labeled a “hater” of some sort. So. be. it. I’m not afraid.

    Anyway, I attach no judgment to my argument (as if I really should have to state this, but again, I know where we are and in what century we operate). It’s just true. People have personal biases, and sometimes those biases arise from personal experience, orientation, background, ethnicity, race, gender, etc. That’s life, folks! :)

  240. No, there’s more going on here, and all one needs to do is to watch David Archuleta’s Christmas caroling video at MTV headquarters to figure it out. And do pay special attention to the MTV employees.

    Sorry, you are going to have to be a lot clearer than that. I have no idea what you are talking about.

  241. I knew it!! You’re playing the gay card!

    LOL. (I think. Wait? Am I allowed to LOL at this? LOL :) …)

  242. I just dug up and watched the MTV caroling episode. As instructed, I paid attention to the employees. I observed mostly pretty women and balding men. Did I get it right, or did I miss something?

    ETA: “I realize that successive generations are finding it a bit more difficult to tell the truth, to call spade a spade, etc., for fear of being labeled a ‘hater’  of some sort.”

    Seriously, I’m not a dense person and I have no idea what you’re talking about. And, going out on a limb here, but I’d bet I’m either of your generation or an earlier one, so… Pretty women and balding men. Was this about Adam or Archie, maybe I can make the alleged connection if I know what I’m connecting?

  243. There was a tweet a little while ago that someone at the site saw David wearing a hardhat so he must be doing some type of labor lol

    I need a picture of that! Why do I think DC’s huge noggin will look tremendously dorky in a hard hat?

    why is Adam’s question (jet ski or massage) related in any way to Danny’s liking for spa treament..

    some people extrapolates beyond belief on those things. my .02

    Bahahahahhaha… I hope you were continuing the sarcasm. Cuz the idea of taking Kirsten’s OP at face value… that’s funny.

  244. So now we are to believe that the industry is composed mainly of gay people and these people are causing all the buzz about Adam. Then all these gay people should have voted and Adam should have won AI.

    Or maybe it jews that you are referring to. Of course, jews must want to put money in Adam’s pockets, because you know what they say about jews and money.

    No, it must be men. He is one of those. You know how the good old boys clubs are. They have to keep all non-men out of the clique.

    No you aren’t calling a spade a spade. You are implying something that could be interpreted in many ways. Just say what you mean.

  245. Is it just me, or has the concert either not started, or the live stream is having problems?

  246. has the show started yet? do i have to refresh the link or else to see it?

  247. nvm. Not going to deign to bother.

    Meanwhile, just like I knew it, I’m going to miss Kris performing, because I have to get ready to go for the day.

    Know he’ll put on a good show.

  248. It means that they have a horse in this race. A horse of their own.

    I knew it!! You’re playing the gay card!

    David A. is gay? Did mj post this in a headlines thread and I missed it?

    Ferras is gay. Why haven’t they pimped and adopted him? He’s won a grammy! Where is his RS cover and all the press?

  249. Someone in ontd_ai said he/she confirmed with his/her friend who happens to be an assistant producer on Elle that Adam’s going to be on Ellen in the next few weeks, late Nov or early Dec.

  250. The live stream stops after five seconds and it only shows some peeps walking around. Is something wrong with it?

  251. From someone who isn’t a fan of either soul comes this query: Does Adam truly deserve this avalanche of coverage and adolation—this unprecedented media white-out? And, perhaps, generally speaking, should an artist have to prove himself commercially by, say, selling a few hundred thousand (or a million?) records before we annoint him the “(better than) the second coming of Freddie Mercury?” Does actual, measureable, quantifiable accomplishment matter anymore, or are we all simply obsessed with image, hype and potential/promise? And, finally, is the disparate coverage actually commensurate with the real, unadulterated “supply and demand” or talent/popularity gap between the two? Thanks.

  252. girlygirl, where are you? Can you splain what’s going on w/ the livestream? :D

  253. Does Adam truly deserve this avalanche of coverage and adolation’”this unprecedented media white-out? And, perhaps, generally speaking, should an artist have to prove himself commercially by, say, selling a few hundred thousand (or a million?) records before we annoint him the ‘(better than) the second coming of Freddie Mercury?’  Does actual, measureable, quantifiable, accomplishment matter anymore, or are we all simply obsessed with image, hype and potential/promise?

    Hey- you’re the one who used the phrase IMPRESSIVE REPERTOIRE!

    Adam has one.

  254. geez there are 2,139 viewers for Kris cellcast at the moment.. I wish it’s only a late start

  255. Kris is singing LLWD now on the live feed.

    It’s working for me, but skipping.

  256. Does Adam truly deserve this avalanche of coverage and adolation’”this unprecedented media white-out?

    Both of his magazine covers have been sellouts. His Oprah appearance was based on voting. Yes, he appears to deserve it.

    And, perhaps, generally speaking, should an artist have to prove himself commercially by, say, selling a few hundred thousand (or a million?) records before we annoint him the ‘(better than) the second coming of Freddie Mercury?’ 

    I believe most of the comparisons here are vocals-wise. If people are expecting him to outsell Queen, yes, that’s silly. If people want to judge their relative technical vocal prowess- well, you go over to DDD and argue.

    Does actual, measureable, quantifiable, accomplishment matter anymore, or are we all simply obsessed with image, hype and potential/promise?

    IMO, media is always obsessed with image. Paris Hilton gets more press than Kelly Clarkson, but it would be laughable to suggest the former is a superior musician.

    EDIT: MJ put up a thread for Kris’s tailgate thing. Pity I have to go.

  257. carolinacharms, respectfully, for a person claiming to be “calling” it as she sees it and who is “not. afraid.” you don’t really seem to be saying what you’re trying to say. First you make some oblique reference for peeps to turn attention to the MTV employees to understand your point and now you complete a post with only questions, no statements at all. I’m not following your point at all, whatever it may be.

    But I do feel that folks can ask what accomplishments back up the buzz, and question whether there exists an adequate talent gap to justify the difference in media love. I just don’t get what justification you’re trying to communicate. And, clearly, you are trying to tell us that you know the answer.

  258. I give up! That glitchy clip of LLWD is the only thing I see on the supposed “livestream” site. Hopefully there will be YouTubes of this concert.

  259. Kris Allen’s second song is available now, I don’t know it, it is new. (One line “Can’t stay away from you”)

  260. Hey luvadamlambert!

    So sorry to hear you are quite ill. I am a middle school teacher in Northern Virginia. I know you’ve mentioned that area several times. The school I am at is beginning to see more and more cases of swine flu. Most of these students are staying home for at least a week. Take good care of yourself and listen to all those good people — your doctor, parents, grandparents, etc.
    Hope you begin to feel better very soon!

  261. Kris Allen’s second song is available now, I don’t know it, it is new.

    where??

  262. hwc
    October 25, 2009 at 12:59 pm
    This writer really wants to keep the Kris vs Adam competion going!

    Not necesarily. What else is she gonna ask him about? He hasn’t done a lot of high profile exciting things and trying to get the kid to give more than a three word answer is like pulling teeth. She can’t even ask him what southern food he misses from back home in Arkansas because he say some fast food chicken sandwich.

    Well, let’s see.

    Presumably she was a reporter invited to the media event yesterday for his concert today at the Miami Dolphins’ stadium. One would hope that is where she was getting her material from. I have no idea if media people had one on one time or if it was more like a press pool where reporters threw out questions.

    He’s doing a concert in the city the paper she blogs for is located for the pride football team of her state. He’s going to be singing cuts from his album that have not been performed ANYWHERE publicly before. He wrote or co-wrote 9 of 12 cuts.

    I don’t know, I could think of a lot of questions to ask that would be interesting that needn’t be about some other contestant on a show that is over.

    OK, so maybe she’s really just a transplanted New Yorker hired to write about food and restaurants in the Miami area. She could have asked him asked him what he thought of the Fins bar at the stadium or if he’s had a chance to eat at her favourite restaurant.

  263. Finally got something! It sound great! The 2nd song! Only a short clip, but great! :D

  264. hi dcglam!!! thanks,I will :D

    can’t understand any of the words but I like kris’s second song…

  265. So now we are to believe that the industry is composed mainly of gay people and these people are causing all the buzz about Adam. Then all these gay people should have voted and Adam should have won AI.

    Or maybe it jews that you are referring to. Of course, jews must want to put money in Adam’s pockets, because you know what they say about jews and money.

    No, it must be men. He is one of those. You know how the good old boys clubs are. They have to keep all non-men out of the clique.

    No you aren’t calling a spade a spade. You are implying something that could be interpreted in many ways. Just say what you mean.

    I think it was Dorothy’s friends.

  266. can’t understand any of the words but I like kris’s second song’ ¦

    Yeah I liked the beat of it too. Much better than LLWD.

  267. The livestream is not working although can see bits and pieces of video of what Kris is performing

    It looks like he has a female bass player?

    Kris isn’t playing any instruments himself

    And he’s not wearing plaid, but a green t-shirt

  268. 3rd song….Britney’s “Baby Baby”…

    New thread is up people, let’s move this party. :)

  269. I think this second song is better than LLWD too. I like some of the bits.

  270. carolinacharms
    October 25, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    And they say that I am hyperbolic. And I think unprecedented is a little strong…considering how much hype you see for Actors and Actresses that haven’t even had a movie yet and they are featured on the cover of everything. And the “coverage” is ALMOST ALWAYS based on feed back…and even though some may think that it is the “Gayism” associated with magazines like Rolling Stone that got Adam the cover, I don’t think that ALL of the producers of 20/20 are identified as such.

    And media coverage HAS TO prove itself. If blogs didn’t get hits and magazines didn’t get bought and “focus” groups can’t prove that having Adam on a program doesn’t raise viewership then the man would be dead and buried by now. C’mn Oprah asked “who is the most popular reality star (naming no names) and the emails came flooding back for Adam. And 95% of the reviews for the AI tour praised Adam and were “respectful” to Kris’ talent. And the AMAs are totally controlled by “who is popular” at the moment, as much as any TV show. So why would they WASTE a spot on Adam if the general consensus of the supply and demand world didn’t WANT to see and hear Adam.

    Making all of this sound like a gay, jewish driven, anti middle America Hollywood conspiracy is as bad, if not worse, then the conspiracy theories about AI voting. ONLY, and I repeat, ONLY Adam will suffer the consequences if he can’t live up to the interest and buzz that he has generated. And IF he crashes and burns then Hollywood will move onto the next guy/gal and the whole circus will start over again. But it won’t be for another Idol…not until next year’s crop sees what it can do to stir buzz.

  271. 3rd song’ ¦.Britney’s ‘Baby Baby’ ’ ¦

    New thread is up people, let’s move this party.

    it sounded familiar …lol

  272. can’t understand any of the words but I like kris’s second song’ ¦

    Yeah I liked the beat of it too. Much better than LLWD.

    I like this clip a lot! And yeah, like it much much better than LLWD. I think this is one of the songs that I said I thought I would like from the description in the Lyndsey interview, and by who was producing it. And what do you know, I do. Very heartening for the rest of the album for me, because it sounds like a good song, and that the descriptions were accurate.

  273. It means that they have a horse in this race. A horse of their own.

    Which is doubtless why we have so many highly successful openly gay entertainers out there. Darn that media!

    Un-effing-believable…

  274. Haha, why is it so lopsided in the second pic? Love it.

    LOL cuz he has that over-sized head, remember?! But he does look cute, as always…

    Thanks for posting~

  275. I’m liking Construction Dave. Makes me want to find my hardhat…I do have one.

  276. With all the hype and promo he is getting for his Times For Miracles single ‘“ even showing clips of making the video on Access Hollywood ‘“ you would think the song would be sitting at #1.

    I disagree with that. I’m thinking the movie company, and the label are planning the trailer before TII to be the big push for this song. I think that’s when they’ll expect it to sell a high number, and also after the movie comes out I guess. I doubt they’re expecting a big performance from it before that. I also think that the day they found out the video would premier before the worldwide release of TII is the day Adam’s label decided it would be on his CD.

    With regard to that Kris interview – I don’t think he said anything even remotely passive-aggresive or slamish toward Adam. I’m just not seeing that in his responses at all.

  277. Clarification for Kris fans. I apologize, but I missed Kris’s first song on that vid link. That song was “Before I become Undone” (At least I think that’s what he was singing.) Then he sang LLWD, then another new song -“Can’t Stay Away from You” and then the Britney song.

    For Cook fans, here’s an advertisment for one of Cook’s concerts at the Windsor Casino.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/40347631@N03/4043132795/

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/40347631@N03/4043131663/in/photostream/

  278. Just for the record. The akward interview where Kris says he won cause his appeal was greater was the one where Adam said he like the ‘top’ .

    Again, not withstanding the ‘ilikethetop’ interview where Kris again goes for the appeal explanation, this is NOT the interview I was referencing. As mentioned before, in the one I’m citing, Kris says the word ‘appeal’ NUMEROUS times in the same sentence and Adam was not looking at him at the time. The ‘top’ comment only shows him saying appeal once and Adam is looking him in the eye.

  279. It means that they have a horse in this race. A horse of their own.

    Somehow, this explanation reminds me of the James Blake/Leyton Hewitt tennis match where Hewitt intimated the chair ump was making calls in favor of Blake because they are both black. Much like the Hewitt ‘suggestion,’ I find this one a tad offensive.

  280. I find this one a tad offensive.

    That’s because it IS offensive. Lol

  281. Much like the Hewitt ‘suggestion,’ I find this one a tad offensive.

    Me too, once I figured it out.

    But the little politician hasn’t actually said “it” yet. So wordy. Just talked all around it. If you have the confidence of your convictions why not just come out with it. After all, it’s not like we can physically get to you on this board. And last I know, Mjs rules allow for healthy open discussions.

  282. And last I know, Mjs rules allow for healthy open discussions.

    Somehow I don’t see some imaginary “gay agenda” as being much of a healthy discussion.

  283. I mean there are some crazy people who don’t think Monty Python was funny

    Wha? Who are these people and where do they live?

    HardHat!Dave in a t-shirt (mmmm. arrrmmms) is adorable, and hawt. Thanks for linking the pictures.

  284. What’s killing me with those hardhat pics is apparently that’s Ty Pennington who’s back isn’t facing the camera. GUUH. I’ve fangirled over him for like 3 years. Is it too much to ask for a real pic of them together?! Bonus armporn! After reading about all the free food from all the fast food places that donated I’m thinking he’s going to need detox again hee.

  285. Somehow I don’t see some imaginary ‘gay agenda’  as being much of a healthy discussion.

    Yeah. But is that the point she was making? I still don’t know. Can you discern from the MTV clip that all those employees are gay?! Seriously?! Man, I totally missed that, if that’s what she was saying. (FWIW – I didn’t notice any prevailing ethnicity either, but maybe I’m blind, or an idiot, or both. Are pretty women and balding men always Jewish?! ;-))

  286. What’s killing me with those hardhat pics is apparently that’s Ty Pennington who’s back isn’t facing the camera.

    Which one is Ty? Also, why is DC wearing a t-shirt when other people have jackets and scarves and shit?! The shirt’s cute, but… not smart!

  287. Honestly, the gay conspiracy is the only logical reason why TFM is the #1 Editor’s choice single in RS this week. :) I’m kidding.

    American Idol is the #1 show on TV. Adam is the first openly gay contestant they’ve had. Plus he does the kind of photo shoot that no one off the show has every done. So he’s the focus of controversy.

    A combination of 19 promotion and Adam’s being interesting is giving him way more buzz than Kris. Plus Kris is a tad bland. I have no idea if it will translate popularity or sales. Too bad Kris is such a nice guy. It would have been way more fun if he was more jerky and said how pissed he was that Adam was getting “the winner’s promotion.” Calling Danny Gokey. :)

  288. weareallinnocent
    October 25, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    The early comment about Archie’s MTV visit wasn’t about the audience, it was about how wonderful the audience reaction to Archie was and that this represents the true supply and demand and not the media blitz that has been prevelent around other Idols. And, yes, Archie got really, really nice feed back from these people…one staffer even sent out some great twitters and wrote something in a blog.

    We all know it’s really, really hard to “watch” from the sidelines everything that happens post idol and sometimes (and I am totally, totally guilty of this) we just get a little carried away with our analogies and they get pretty “out there”.

  289. Adam tweets and we have confirmation of a single next week!!!!! That deserves a Wooohoo!! from me.

    I expect a release to the internet sometime next week with an ITunes release the first Monday or Tuesday in November. Can’t wait.

    As for the Ellen rumor.. that’s another woohoo from me.

  290. jms
    “They purposely made him boring so that it wouldn’t be put on TV?”

    Actually they have aired an MTV clip for the caroling video..
    I’ll even link it for you:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xABVMYMb7wA

    —-

    The ellen thing isnt surprising.. idols go on there when they release their albums.. nothing new

  291. Does Adam truly deserve this avalanche of coverage and adolation’”this unprecedented media white-out?

    See, when I go to my local grocery store and look at the magazine racks, the two faces I see most often staring back at me are those twin losers, Jon and Kate.

    I just don’t agree that Adam has received some type of unprecedented media blizzard. Yes, he was on ET two night in a row and RS has written a bunch of online articles about him. And, yes, he’s on the cover of Details. But to the average (normal) person who doesn’t spend inordinate amounts of time on this blog (like I do) that’s barely a blip on the radar.

    Seriously, with respect to the folks outside the AI bubble, I hardly think they are oversaturated with news of Adam Lambert.

  292. Every Idol winner and runner up goes on Ellen. I doubt it’s a rumor. Why I think even Kris will get the Ellen gig (unless he’s even being denied the traditional runner up promo. ;)

    Adam has gotten more promo than any runner up in the four years I’ve been following the show. He also seems to be getting more promo than David Cook last year (who had some great promo.) So for a runner up, it is unprecedented.

  293. The early comment about Archie’s MTV visit wasn’t about the audience, it was about how wonderful the audience reaction to Archie was and that this represents the true supply and demand

    Really? Gosh, I feel pretty stupid now. LOL (Guess that’s ok, seeing it was Archie and I used the word, “Gosh.” :-) ) Maybe my receptors need a tune up too, because I didn’t see over the top reaction to him, tbh, except on Oh Holy Night when the fanboy was obviously thrilled and peeps gathered in the hallway to hear. That was kind of cool to see.

    Oh well, seems it was a “post and run” topic for discussion anyway…

    ETA: “Finally some supply for all this pent-up demand!!”

    That’s what I’m talking about! :-)

  294. Sunn
    October 25, 2009 at 4:36 pm
    Adam tweets and we have confirmation of a single next week!!!!! That deserves a Wooohoo!! from me.

    I expect a release to the internet sometime next week with an ITunes release the first Monday or Tuesday in November. Can’t wait.

    Let’s get this party started!!! Fianlly some supply for all this pent-up demand!!

  295. It means that they have a horse in this race. A horse of their own.

    You have a thing for the horses, donkeys and asses don’tcha?

    That entire idea is so offensive I don’t even understand it. Because you can’t understand the buzz for Adam you have to give credit to the gay mafia, or them damn Jews? Ugh, to the tenth power.

    Maybe it’s just because he is a fascinating character, so uncharacteristic of American Idol who although they have had gay contestants since it’s inception finally found a contestant who was unapologetically gay, and so talented that no closet could hold him? Why wonder?

    It’s just so many different things that came together at the right moment. I mean he’s not such a hard guy to adore. It’s funny America has always had people famous for being famous, with no talent, or real charm….here comes Adam with talent up the wazoo, charm, photogenic, eloquent, but it’s either the Jews or gays who are propping him up. Ay dios mio!!!

  296. Let’s get this party started!!! Fianlly some supply for all this pent-up demand!!

    It’s just a shame that all the media coverage is just an agenda fueled tactic, and no one but you and me will buy Adam’s album. But hey, I’m in for the party if you are. WoooHooo!

  297. Seriously, with respect to the folks outside the AI bubble, I hardly think they are oversaturated with news of Adam Lambert.

    Not yet. I expect that to change in the next few weeks. New single, more interview, TII, TFM, more 2012.

  298. The early comment about Archie’s MTV visit wasn’t about the audience, it was about how wonderful the audience reaction to Archie was and that this represents the true supply and demand and not the media blitz that has been prevelent around other Idols. And, yes, Archie got really, really nice feed back from these people’ ¦one staffer even sent out some great twitters and wrote something in a blog.

    But that was a boring piece to watch. So how can that be used to say there is a demand? Yeah, it was cute. And they obviously enjoyed his company. But people enjoying his company one on one does not necessarily make for a good TV interview or magazine cover. He just doesn’t have the IT factor that makes lots of people tune in to watch and hear what he has to say.

    Someone early made a comparison to the attention given Kelly Clarkson vs. Paris Hilton. Paris is a celebrity and people are fascinated by her. Kelly isn’t. She’s normal. Kind of like Kris and Archie. Adam has a bit of the celebrity factor going for him. That’s why the media pays attention to him…because he’s different and interesting and their audience is fascinated by him and therefore he draws audience share and sells magazines.

  299. I think Kris already appeared on Ellen, right? We know she is a big fan of Adam’s, she called him (or vice versa) before the Tour b/c he couldn’t be on her show due to contractual obligations (that is, only the winner could), but I am sure he will. The most exciting thing fror me for you for me is that his single is coming out within the week! Hopefully it will do well and will get performed at the AMAs. It’s amazing TfM got to #8 on iTunes, considering that you couldn’t legally download the video and the song wasn’t officially added to any radio station. It was all based on buzz; after TII, we’ll see how well it does.

    It still isn’t about the music? I know he’s on the cover of Details with racy photos and there are some ignorant reporters out there, but been there, said that. YMMV.

    I am still trying to figure out which song is which from Kris’s MD tailgate party, since I wasn’t on at the time (Patriots again), but I’m looking forward to higher-end quality vids soon. (I am not a Britney fan, so I don’t about that song.)

    ETA: Sunn, you’se my girl! And luv, feel better!!!

  300. I agree, that Kris and Adam both being on Ellen is par for the course. Kris is already confirmed to be on, I think 11/19? Don’t know when Adam will be on, but Ellen has a week off of Thanksgiving,so maybe the week after that?

    And I really do hope that Adam’s single comes out next week. I’m all nervous and excited. I hope that it doesn’t blow(in comparison to what I know they could/can do) as much as TfM and LLWD. And I have to say, putting my Adam stan back on here, that the two songs I heard even snippets of from the tailgate thing sound so good that I’m reassured/excited about his album, but now I’m just hoping that Adam’s is as good as that. I hope so. I want the good music out of both of them I know they can do. So yeah, nervous feelings in my tummy.

    Plus I think TfM’s relative suckiness and weakness selling, now puts even more pressure on Adam’s single to be relevant and do well in terms of selling. So no pressure. Ha!

  301. Sue Brody, I love London! Wish I was there. I was thinking of you last night in regards to twitter. Do you follow Monte Pittman? He tweeted he was learning the chord progression for TFM, which makes many of us think he is going to be in Adam’s band. Have you tweeted him?

    ETA-I think of you as our twitter captain. :)

  302. weareallinnocent: ETA: ‘Finally some supply for all this pent-up demand!!’ 

    That’s what I’m talking about!

    Yeah, but you corrected my Adam’s spelling! ;)

  303. abbysee, I SO need that bouncy, clappy emoticon right now. Several of them, actually. Well said, as always.

    anthrogeek, lol, yeah sorry couldn’t resist. Plus I was sure you’d edit in the correction, so my quote would be exact. :-)

  304. And I really do hope that Adam’s single comes out next week. I’m all nervous and excited. I hope that it doesn’t blow(in comparison to what I know they could/can do) as much as TfM and LLWD.

    I don’t think either of these song suck any more than most of what I hear on the radio. I think these songs andthe current crop of tunes on the radio would be in good company.

  305. well I’m certainly not fascinated by adam… and not tuning in to watch him..

  306. Seriously, with respect to the folks outside the AI bubble, I hardly think they are oversaturated with news of Adam Lambert.

    Not yet. I expect that to change in the next few weeks. New single, more interview, TII, TFM, more 2012.

    I don’t wish to think of the earned media attention Adam is going to be getting in the next few weeks after TII premiers as “over-saturation.” If he’s making news, which he will be, it should be reported on. To me, if he’s booked for lots of interviews, etc., it just means that RCA and Sony are doing right by him. Much better than the alternative, don’t ya think? If no media blitzes occurred, we’d be talking about how Adam was being under-promoted, mistreated, etc. He’s not the first rising star to be promoted, so I really think the pros at the major studios know what they’re doing.

  307. I don’t wish to think of the earned media attention Adam is going to be getting in the next few weeks after TII premiers as ‘over-saturation.’  If he’s making news, which he will be, it should be reported on. To me, if he’s booked for lots of interviews, etc., it just means that RCA and Sony are doing right by him. Much better than the alternative, don’t ya think? If no media blitzes occurred, we’d be talking about how Adam was being under-promoted, mistreated, etc. He’s not the first rising star to be promoted, so I really think the pros at the major studios know what they’re doing.

    I was just commenting that we should get a lot more Adam promo in the next few weeks. I will be happy to see it. I don’t think I’m capable of being over-saturated by Adam news.

  308. I don’t think either of these song suck any more than most of what I hear on the radio. I think these songs andthe current crop of tunes on the radio would be in good company.

    Talk about damning with faint praise. At least for me it would be, becaus I think most music on the Top 40 sucks. Even songs I like from it, I do so knowing that they’re pretty useless. Like I like Lady GaGa or some BEP and as fun as they are to bop too, they’re crap.

    I just think that TfM and LLWD were different kinds of obvious and/or bland crap. Clearly MMV because people like them, especially here, I’m just not one of them. Oh well. Doesn’t mean I stopped being a fan of either guy and hope that both men put out music I can like and that does better commerically for each one. Like the “Can’t Stay Away,” from Kris. If the rest of the song is as strong, I’m stoked, because I’m already a fan of that snippet.

  309. I don’t think either of these song suck any more than most of what I hear on the radio.

    Actually I like (in varying degrees) all of the songs that have been released for the idols (except NOBO). And I totally agree with readon…if you compare these to the quality of “current, mainstream music” they are right up there. None of the idols should hang their heads in shame.

    I’ve often wondered what “fans” expect…because I couldn’t name a single song (Idol or otherwise) that TOTALLY rocks my socks off that has been released in the last year. But I have 50 years of music to compare every song to…so I am entitled.

    But comparing all the songs that I have heard play on top 40 or HAC these three newbies stack up nicely.

  310. And luv, feel better!!!

    thanks suebrody

    hmmmmm i need some Scott tweets in my life.he’s hilarious… in a weird,conceited way…

  311. Someone early made a comparison to the attention given Kelly Clarkson vs. Paris Hilton. Paris is a celebrity and people are fascinated by her. Kelly isn’t. She’s normal. Kind of like Kris and Archie. Adam has a bit of the celebrity factor going for him. That’s why the media pays attention to him’ ¦because he’s different and interesting and their audience is fascinated by him and therefore he draws audience share and sells magazines.

    ”celebrity” is fleeting, and fickle… media attention of the hilton variety has nothing to do with anything in the long run… all sound and fury, signifying nothing…… the lindsay lohan’s, the britney spears and a host of other hollywood types generate tons of media attention, but they’re viewed more as freakshows, and don’t we americans love our freakshows, and trainwrecks… kelly and the others possess the kind of ”celebrity” that will remain long after this ilk has passed from the scene… it’s solid, and may not be as flashy and sexy, and headline grabbing, but it’s built on a solid foundation of real substance and talent that will keep them rolling along, long after the paris who’s have been replaced with the latest flavor of the month…

  312. undercooked
    October 25, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    Sue Brody, I love London! Wish I was there. I was thinking of you last night in regards to twitter. Do you follow Monte Pittman? He tweeted he was learning the chord progression for TFM, which makes many of us think he is going to be in Adam’s band. Have you tweeted him?

    ETA-I think of you as our twitter captain. :)

    lol Squrrely beats me a lot. :)

    I do follow Monte, but I was sick last night and also on here last night, primarily, so I missed his tweets. I will pay more attention from now on. Oh,. and yes, I’ll tweet him. ;) I know Alisan is back from her trip to the woods or wherever and that’s all we’ve heard. Nothing from Aimee (got the strait jacket ready, just in case ? ;)).

    I like TfM, and I know I am in the minority. but really, his voice sounds so beautiful on it…and the video. Sigh. The video…

  313. ‘ celebrity’  is fleeting, and fickle’ ¦ media attention of the hilton variety has nothing to do with anything in the long run’ ¦ all sound and fury, signifying nothing’ ¦’ ¦

    Agreed. All I’m trying to say is that this is teh reason Adam is hot news now. And why he’s getting all this media attention and the others are not. Whether he can make something more enduring of it and use it to further his career has yet to be determined.

  314. Talk about damning with faint praise. At least for me it would be, becaus I think most music on the Top 40 sucks. Even songs I like from it, I do so knowing that they’re pretty useless. Like I like Lady GaGa or some BEP and as fun as they are to bop too, they’re crap.

    The Pop/Top 40 I like is good to me because the beats per minute work well on my workout/cardio playlist. It’s not as if I will be looking back at them 15 years from now thinking “those were the days” or “why don’t they write songs like that anymore?”.

    Is it too much to hope for nowadays that someone put out an album- hell, even a few songs- that are worthy of eventually becoming classics? Or is our society so fast paced that this type of thing is a dinosaur?

  315. I like TfM, and I know I am in the minority. but really, his voice sounds so beautiful on it’ ¦and the video. Sigh. The video’ ¦

    I wonder if they will sell the video on itunes.

  316. monte’s latest tweet (Monterrific)

    Check this video out — ‘Black Dynamite’ Trailer HD http://bit.ly/2mkpiK6:21 PM Oct 22nd from web

    Not sure if he linked it b/c he is excited about the movie out of general interest or if he is linked to it in any way. (Got great reviews.) Yes, I tweeted him. ;) (Missed Adam’s twitter party, but as always he only answered five tweets and probably got 5000.)

    ETA: I bet they sell TfM video on iTunes if it does at least remotely well pre-ITT. I’m kind of surprised they and amazon didn’t, actually, but I can’t predict these things. Still waiting for pre-order of FYE, if they do one (I bet they will, but again, who knows?). And I assume, as iTunes Kris pass owner, I will get his second single minutes before the album drops (that is, if the single is released prior to the album’s release date on 11/17).

  317. Both of his magazine covers have been sellouts. His Oprah appearance was based on voting. Yes, he appears to deserve it.

    Does anyone know how and when this voting took place. I don’t recall seeing anything on it. Was is just for those who watch her show? Is this how peeps knew about it? I’m just curious.

  318. I like TfM, and I know I am in the minority.

    really? I flove tfm….

    ohhhhh Scott hahaha complaining about his lack of chocolate:…

  319. Tess what are some songs you really liked over the years? Some you really felt were great songs?

  320. Is it too much to hope for nowadays that someone put out an album- hell, even a few songs- that are worthy of eventually becoming classics? Or is our society so fast paced that this type of thing is a dinosaur?

    what is called pop, or top 40 music has been dumbed down to a level that rewards singers who can’t and don’t sing anymore – something i consider to be prerequisite number 1, hahahah… style over substance, lip synching and autotune is the name of the top 40 game, and i lament the lack of what i consider to be genuine singers getting a fair shake in the current climate… i hope i’m not too old before the tide shifts, as all things eventually do…

  321. ‘ celebrity’  is fleeting, and fickle……
    the lindsay lohan’s, the britney spears and a host of other hollywood types generate tons of media attention, but they’re viewed more as freakshows, and don’t we americans love our freakshows, and trainwrecks’ ¦

    I would agree with this view point. Sex and scandals sell magazines and the public can’t seem to get enough of the tawdry details.

  322. Agreed. All I’m trying to say is that this is teh reason Adam is hot news now. And why he’s getting all this media attention and the others are not. Whether he can make something more enduring of it and use it to further his career has yet to be determined.

    agreed :grin:

  323. Edit:

    I am deleting and editing posts that:

    1. Question the motives of posters
    2. Talk about the blog on the blog
    3. Are overly defensive and/or angry
    4. Tell other posters what to do.

  324. I love Muse’s latest album…but I doubt any of the singles (well, if the first two, Uprising and Resistance, will be released as singles) will get much airplay in the states, except on college radio stations (they were featured on last fm this week, however). Those are songs I will remember. Top 40? Hrrm. As as far as Idol’s, I like Kelly’s Already Gone…Daughtry’s Home..Cook’s Lie…geez…memorable? Probably not, but I’m not sure anyone thought Queen’s Somebody to Love or Bohemian Rhapsody would at the time…

  325. Sex and scandals sell magazines and the public can’t seem to get enough of the tawdry details.

    …and that is truly sad and pathetic.

  326. Does anyone know how and when this voting took place. I don’t recall seeing anything on it. Was is just for those who watch her show? Is this how peeps knew about it? I’m just curious.

    I’d actually lik to know that too. As an Adam fan- I knew nothing about the Oprah voting and I think it came as kind of a suprise to most of us on this board at least. Wondering if voting came from “outside the bubble”

  327. I love Muse’s latest album’ ¦but I doubt any of the singles (well, if the first two, Uprising and Resistance, will be released as singles) will get much airplay in the states, except on college radio stations (they were featured on last fm this week, however).

    That is a great album. I would love to hear Uprising or Resistance on a radio station. I guess it not top 40 or HAC, but alternative.

  328. “‘ ¦and that is truly sad and pathetic.”

    I agree… so much negative and other stuff like scandals etc etc gets so much attention these days.. I guess its just a part of our current culture that Im not particularly fond of.. You hardly hear of the good things going on around the country/world…

  329. I’d actually lik to know that too. As an Adam fan- I knew nothing about the Oprah voting and I think it came as kind of a suprise to most of us on this board at least. Wondering if voting came from ‘outside the bubble’ 

    The voting was on Oprah web site. I seem to recall that there was a question on “Who is you favorite reality star”. It was a write in vote, not multiple choice, I think. There was thread about it at AO at the time.

  330. I like TfM, and I know I am in the minority. but really, his voice sounds so beautiful on it’ ¦and the video. Sigh. The video’ ¦

    suebrody-you are not in the minority. Alot of people like TFM including me. I love it and listen to it several times a day. I think the video is great and Adam is just yummy on it.

  331. Agreed. All I’m trying to say is that this is teh reason Adam is hot news now. And why he’s getting all this media attention and the others are not. Whether he can make something more enduring of it and use it to further his career has yet to be determined.

    Still, the reason Adam first attracted so much attention is because of his amazing singing. Which is much different that just celebrity for celebrity sake. It’s based on talent.

  332. suebrody-you are not in the minority. Alot of people like TFM including me. I love it and listen to it several times a day. I think the video is great and Adam is just yummy on it.

    I too like TFM. I like the odd power ballad from time to time. I wonder if TFM will replace the Aerosmith “I Don’t Want To Miss A Thing” ballad as the go to show stopper on AI 9?

  333. I like TfM, and I know I am in the minority. but really, his voice sounds so beautiful on it’ ¦and the video. Sigh. The video’ ¦

    I like it. Esp the video version. It’s motivated me to finish sorting stuff from my move so I can hook up my stereo and hear it on a decent sound system. Who knew Adam would actually motivate me to do house work. lol

  334. Wondering if voting came from ‘outside the bubble’ 

    Heaven forbid, everyone outside of the idol bubble hates Adam! J/K…..I too didn’t know about this voting option on Oprah. Too bad we weren’t notified, maybe Adam could be on Oprah…..oh wait :)

    Let me just clarify some stuff that seems to be floating around. Adam has too much talent to be lumped in with the Paris and Perez ilk. Seriously, this thought that he is just gonna be a celebrity cause he damn sure can’t sing, or put on a fucking good show is laughable. He has worked his ass off for the better part of a decade, this isn’t only about celebrity for him, if it were he would be a lot more cautious, imho. Instead he seems to be going all out trying to make a statement for his ‘art’ for lack of a better word. I think it’s insulting this inference otherwise. There has been no sex scandal linked to Adam. Details was an artistic photo shoot. Nothing more.

  335. suebrody-you are not in the minority. Alot of people like TFM including me. I love it and listen to it several times a day. I think the video is great and Adam is just yummy on it.

    I like it too. I won’t buy something “just because” it is a favorite artist. I only buy what I like. It grows on you. :)

  336. Tess what are some songs you really liked over the years?

    OK…no particular order…

    Comfortably Numb, Great Gig in the Sky, Wish you Were Here, Stairway to Heaven, Papa Was a Rolling Stone, Whiter Shade of Pale, Purple Rain, Bohemian Rhapsody, Light My Fire, Proud Mary, Free Bird, Heard it Through the Grapevine, The End of Innocece, Fire and Rain, What’s Going On.

  337. Voting, polling? Ok, lodge my vote for “I genuinely like TfM.” Thanks! :-)

  338. “I just think that TfM and LLWD were different kinds of obvious and/or bland crap”

    I think LLWD is a better song that TfM even if I don’t think it’s a great song. I threw Kris a few votes but I find his music a little bland. I don’t like the rocker wail Adam does so I’m not looking forward to any of his “rock” stuff. However, I did like Mad World so if he keeps it in the lower register, I might like his stuff. I like dance music so I have an open mind there.

    I really dislike the overemphasis on sex in both Adam’s performances and the Details photo shoot. If I didn’t know him from Idol, I would have been completely turned off by the shoot. So I probably dislike the things that Adam’s biggest fans like about him.

  339. So what will tomorrow bring…a new song?….a firm track list?…..a leak?….

  340. Tess thanks, I recognize many of them and agree they are great. I was just curious as to what you considered great. Some I don’t know but will look up. thanks.

  341. “I really dislike the overemphasis on sex in both Adam’s performances and the Details photo shoot. If I didn’t know him from Idol, I would have been completely turned off by the shoot. So basically, I probably dislike most of the things that Adam’s biggest fans like.”

    same here.. except I’m still turned off by it even knowing him from idol… especially some of the stuff he was doing on tour, at a generally thought of family friendly enviroment.. I would not take kids to that..

  342. Concerning the Oprah question about the reality star. The question was asked on her website and people were asked to respond. I can’t remember the direct question but it was something about which reality show contestant would you most like to see.

    You can check it out this week because I think the taped segment is set to air one day this week.

  343. I think that Adam has to make sure that he does not allow the “glam” portion (Paris Hilton, etc. types who are celebs but not particiularly respected for having any talent) doesn’t overtake the fact that he is a good artist. He has that certain something that it takes to succeed (along with a healthy dose of PR) and that is charisma. Archie also has charisma. Cook has charisma. When seeing them all in concerts they walk out on the stage and have 100% control of the crowd the entire time. Big crown or small crowd or just 5 people – they have control and people gravitate to them. Who but Archie could sing at a raucus jingleball last year with Rhianna and Lady Gaga and Chris Brown and end up by singing a Christmas song acapella and having the crowd eating out of his hand? That is what sets some of them apart. Adam has it, Archie has it. Cook also has it. They may package it differently, but that is underlying their success. They still need $$$ support but people who meet them like and want more. In person, they have power. Not just youtube power or tv power but personal chrismatic one-to-one people power. That is starpower and star potential.

  344. So basically, I probably dislike the things that Adam’s biggest fans like about him.

    My favorite Adam songs are BoW (the bridge had to grow on me, it was too much like yelling at first), MW, ToMT, IICHY, ACIGC, ONE, and FG. The others had to grow on me…WLL, BTBW, Cryin, PtFM and RoF. The ones that took me a while to love seem to be the ones everyone else was crazy about from the beginning. I have already prepared myself that his new music might not be what I like to listen to, but I am still waiting with bated breath, just like I did every week during the show.

  345. <Tess
    October 25, 2009 at 5:49 pm
    Concerning the Oprah question about the reality star. The question was asked on her website and people were asked to respond. I can’t remember the direct question but it was something about which reality show contestant would you most like to see.

    You can check it out this week because I think the taped segment is set to air one day this week.

    I think Thursday……>

    and I think the oprah voting was done by glamberts…

  346. I know a lot of people are sick of the fact that Adam’s interviews and/or coverage, or talk of them, still brings up the fact that he is gay. For most of us paying any attention to idol, it’s an irrelevancy that has long since been covered more than adequately. Some people see it as something that gives him an unwarrented boost in publicity, some people see it as something used to put him down, some people see it as just an unwanted distraction from more important questions. I’m often in the last camp myself.

    But I also have another take on it sometimes: I think part of the reason that it’s brought up a lot is that for a lot of people, it just feels good to talk/read as openly about gay people as we do about straights – have the same jokes, faux pas, casual mentions, or whatever. Feels good in the sense that it feels more like our real life, not some pretense that the world is all white, straight and middle class. On the best days, I just look at it as a step towards normalcy, when it’s incidental. Not hidden, but also not a bfd. It’s like Adam’s everyone’s gay best friend, and we all get to enjoy the fact that it’s just real life. As long as he’s doing things in a way that works for him, I don’t think anyone else has anything to worry about. For us, it’s easy enough to read or not read, and other artists have their own stuff to do.

  347. There has been no sex scandal linked to Adam. Details was an artistic photo shoot. Nothing more.

    ITA, and I tend to think that people who don’t like it are too conservative to remain Adam fans, anyway. From the descriptions of the songs on his upcoming CD we’ve heard, Adam is not gunning for a conservative fan base. He’s edgy, and I think he’ll ultimately attract more edgy fans.

  348. and I think the oprah voting was done by glamberts’ ¦

    So only Glamberts watch Oprah? Interesting.

  349. And there’s nothing wrong with cheerleading as long as one is not so deluded as to believe that the gap between Adam’s and Kris’ respective talent and popularity is either entirely commensurate with or worthy of the disparate media coverage, or that there isn’t some other causality at work there.

    I so agree. It’s circular. The media does so not want to be wrong. We will tell you what’s hot. What’s worthy of photo shoots and interviews. That’s not to say that Kris is more talented than Adam, and they are propping the latter up. Far from it. But, the entertainment media has adopted Adam and not Kris. So, hello!

  350. and I think the oprah voting was done by glamberts’ ¦

    Seriously? If on a show as universally popular as Oprah they were able to snag Adam the “favorite reality show contestant” title and earn him a spot on the show, they’ll do wonders for him when his single and album come out. No more worries!

  351. That is a great album. I would love to hear Uprising or Resistance on a radio station. I guess it not top 40 or HAC, but alternative.

    I know that the local rock/alternative station plays them.

    I agree’ ¦ so much negative and other stuff like scandals etc etc gets so much attention these days.. I guess its just a part of our current culture that Im not particularly fond of.. You hardly hear of the good things going on around the country/world’ ¦

    To be honest though, this is nothing new. Gossip has always been in vogue, even in ancient Greece, Rome and Egypt. Just human nature really.

  352. I really dislike the overemphasis on sex in both Adam’s performances and the Details photo shoot. If I didn’t know him from Idol, I would have been completely turned off by the shoot. So I probably dislike the things that Adam’s biggest fans like about him.

    I hear what you’re saying. However, your statement makes it seem as if Adam’s performances are always emphasizing sex. I beg to respectfully differ. It quite depends on what the song is about for him to employ the sexiness; he emotes whatever the material calls for.

    For every WLL there is a Mad World and likewise, before the Details shoot, we had the Sebree, Michellin Man (don’t cringe) and other shoots which were decidedly not sexual in nature.

  353. Hmmm, it looks like Randy Jackson will be on that Oprah show too. LOL, this prolly isn’t news to a lot of you. :D

    ETA: there will be several reality peeps on the show from the picture I saw. Were they all voted faves?

  354. ‘Here’s the thing. Adam’s a little more ‘” OK, let’s say, lot more ‘” controversial than I am, and the press wants him more right now,’  says the singer-guitarist.” Kris Allen

    Is it just me or is KA seemingly putting down AL in most of his press statements? I guess he really thinks he won AI based on talent!?! Ha!

  355. Is it just me or is KA seemingly putting down AL in most of his press statements? I guess he really thinks he won AI based on talent!?! Ha!

    This quote has been discussed on previous pages. And yeah, I think he did. Not saying Adam’s not amazingly talented though. I just preferred Kris’s style.

  356. I meant if it was voting then glamberts(and other fans) probably spammed the polls like (I think) they usually dooo…

    and,everyone knows that Adam only gets a short segment on oprah,right?(less than 5 minutes iirc but better than nothing..,)

  357. Is it just me or is KA seemingly putting down AL in most of his press statements? I guess he really thinks he won AI based on talent!?! Ha!

    I thought the tone was passive agressive towards Adam especially since he made a remark earlier in the week about not wanting to be “gossiped” about. But, others felt it was the way the writer edited the interview or that she was bitter that Kris won-of course, there was no basis for either of these theories. I’m just summarizing the discussions earlier in the thread.

  358. I so agree. It’s circular. The media does so not want to be wrong. We will tell you what’s hot. What’s worthy of photo shoots and interviews. That’s not to say that Kris is more talented than Adam, and they are propping the latter up. Far from it. But, the entertainment media has adopted Adam and not Kris. So, hello!

    I understand what your saying, but from what Kris said he’s really not interested in that type of stuff, he just want to make music.

  359. I hear what folks are saying about disliking it when emphasis seems always on sex, but I think Adam is simply very sexual and his art can be sexual. But, when thinking about his AI performances, only RoF and WLL stand out to me as being overtly sexual. Even for Slow Ride, which is sexual in theme, his performance was not sexual. On tour, again it was WLL and maybe his dancing on the Bowie medley. So, I can’t say he “emphasized” sex too much. Maybe his sexual performances were stand outs, that’s true, or the most talked about certainly.

    Now, media takes? How they choose to present him? Yes, sex sells. And, I do anticipate a sexy album from him — actually, I hope for one. :-) But I guess I’m wondering why people see his performances as always emphasizing sex, when to date at least for AI, they didn’t. Are we basing it all on pre-Idol? I guess I can see that…

  360. I have been out for part of this afternoon, so I only caught a glimpse of the Kris performance videos, but I must ask. Does Kris have a female band member? If so, kudos to him!!! I so want Cook to get a female bass player, if Monty really needs to leave after this tour.

  361. Hmmm, it looks like Randy Jackson will be on that Oprah show too. LOL, this prolly isn’t news to a lot of you.

    ETA: there will be several reality peeps on the show from the picture I saw. Were they all voted faves?

    Yep, we already know this. I think the runway models, the cake dude, and Randy’s dance crew are all on there. It is a show about Reality TV Shows. Adam is only in a small segment. When Oprah introduces him, she says something about being voted the star that peeps wanted to see most. Then, she interviews him by skype for a few minutes. But, we will tune in anyway! Oh yeah, I think she invited him back to sing when his CD drops.

  362. You know, Adam has more or less said himself that he wants to be edgy or controversial. If that’s what he’s shooting for then how can acknowledging that be a slam. He gets people talking and attracts discussion for a variety of reasons. How that got turned into a passive aggressive slam rather than a benign statement of fact is a mystery.

  363. My favorite Adam songs are BoW (the bridge had to grow on me, it was too much like yelling at first), MW, ToMT, IICHY, ACIGC, ONE, and FG. The others had to grow on me’ ¦WLL, BTBW, Cryin, PtFM and RoF. The ones that took me a while to love seem to be the ones everyone else was crazy about from the beginning. I have already prepared myself that his new music might not be what I like to listen to, but I am still waiting with bated breath, just like I did every week during the show.

    Interestingly, me, too (except I liked Crying right away, perhaps b/c I was used to that sort of song by that time ;)). I think RoF was kind of, WHAT? for me (tho I could NOT deny his vocal prowess), but it grew on me pretty quickly. I don’t love IICHY, but I am probably the only one, and I DID feel it after time. I now love every single song (except PTFM, b/c to me it is just *too* much of a performance–THE BAND WORKED IT *OUT*, etc.). Because I pretty much love everything he does, it would be hard for me not to like, if not love, an Adam song. I really like TfM because you hear the real timbre of his voice–his range is siiiick, and he goes from low to high without the so-called wail (which is really him just using his upper register, but I like a little bit more–restraint is not the word, I don’t know what the word is, actually). But that said, I adore Freddie Mercury, and when I hear songs like “Somebody to Love” I just quiver. Wow. So if his songs infuse Queen with Muse with Killers (the latter two he has used to describe his album’s sound), I will jump up and down. Hell, I already have. I have NEVER denied the connection I have felt with him. Not a huge Pink fan, but I love Adam’s voice so much that I would be shocked if I didn’t love his album. (And GaGa has grown on me.)

    And I didn’t know you could vote for him on Oprah’s website, but the date I’ve heard is 10/28, which is Wednesday, so set your DVRs accordingly.

    ETA: Adam’s studio versions of MW and FG cut me to the core. They are stunning, as is his performance of Come Home from the Upright Cabaret. How much more can you get? He choked up at the end of CH, and I think he relates to MW in a special way. There are all sides of Adam, which is what makes him so intriguing.

  364. I’m just not getting the concept that seems to be floating around that the media hype that is going on for Adam is a bad thing….FOR HIM. I feel like there are a whole bunch of little “jewish mothers” running around with worried looks on their faces because “their little boy” can’t live up to the hype.

    And I’m a bit perplexed because this sort of stuff goes on in all parts of the world, in all different societies, in all different types of situations. Hype for participants in the Olympics, hypes for Sports Stars, hype for Artists and writers….and it isn’t after the fact…most of the time its before. Oh my gosh…the hype for Tiger Woods when he came on the PGA tour, totally unprecedented…and LeBraun James in basketball and Eli Manning in Football.

    And sometimes it takes a bit of time for these people to live up to the hype…but in an overwhelming number of cases they manage to do it. And so much is because the peeps doing the hype have had tons of experience and they know and understand the process and know and understand who will best work into the slot they are providing.

    And yes, its a shame that not everyone can “start out” on equal footing…and that oftentimes “fame” comes before substance. But that is the nature of the beast. I think it can best be compared to “Oscar” hype. Long before any of us consumers get to see a Motion Picture a few reviewers and industry insiders start the Oscar buzz….and guess what…a large portion of these predictions comes true.

  365. Let’s have a vote on Adam’s Boca Raton tweets (whether true or not): Would you rather see him nude on jet skis or deshabille on a massage table?

  366. Tess
    October 25, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    I’m just not getting the concept that seems to be floating around that the media hype that is going on for Adam is a bad thing’ ¦.FOR HIM. I feel like there are a whole bunch of little ‘jewish mothers’  running around with worried looks on their faces because ‘their little boy’  can’t live up to the hype….

    Tess — I absolutely loved your entire post. It’s exactly how I feel. IMO there’s lots of hype around Adam because he’s really that good. End of story. He won’t please the entire universe, but I truly believe he’s going to be around for a long time and respected by many for his talents.

  367. Are we basing it all on pre-Idol? I guess I can see that’ ¦

    But were we to base it on pre-Idol, the same holds true: not all performances emphasized sex. The Upright stuff are different from the Zodiac pieces, which are different from The Prayer, etc. etc.

  368. Which one is Ty? Also, why is DC wearing a t-shirt when other people have jackets and scarves and shit?! The shirt’s cute, but’ ¦ not smart!

    Supposedly he’s in the blue hooded jacket :) Looking at the auction video again, is that the jacket he wore in the CBTM video?

  369. Would you rather see him nude on jet skis or deshabille on a massage table?

    Hmmm…. beaded water vs. glistening oil on skin. It’s a toss-up!

  370. I like TfM, and I know I am in the minority. but really, his voice sounds so beautiful on it’ ¦and the video. Sigh. The video’ ¦

    I so agree! I believe it was Sunn who said Adam looked “stunning” in the video. A perfect word choice for a perfect performer…… :)

  371. I don’t think the hype for Adam is bad for him at all. Most would give their right arm to be a media darling. It only becomes an issue if the end result doesn’t make the hype pay off for the label and others who hope Adam is profitable. Jordin Sparks can get away with modest success off of AI. I don’t think Adam can because the goal is clearly to equal or better the success Daughtry/Carrie/Kelly have had in the “real world.” That’s just logical for RCA/19.

  372. Tess: “what are some songs you really liked over the years?”

    OK’ ¦no particular order’ ¦…Comfortably Numb, Great Gig in the Sky, Wish you Were Here…

    Can’t go wrong with Floyd.
    Hey Tess, I would recommend another Floyd song: “Have a Cigar,” one of the greats.
    And going by your list, do yourself a favor, check out “Ain’t it Fun” by Guns n’ Roses, you’ll thank me later.

    Scanning briefly at todays healthy conversation you good folks are having, it can be concluded that any publicity doesn’t always mean good publicity. Adam could win one of those embarrassing – “overexposed” – end of the year awards. I also think he should be selective on where or what to appear on, as well as the subject matter or substance of said public medium.

    In the end, in the big picture, its about the substance and quality of the material. Its a rookie mistake and its all forgiven with a big hit single.

  373. XFactor had Danyl in the bottom two. Twitter is going crazy! Some say their hearts sank and it was producer manipulation. Others say they hope it shows Simon that he can’t push contestants down peeps throats! WOW! This sounds so familiar. Scripted, Scripted, Scripted!! Ok who is the underdog in that competition?? I want to place my bets on that one. Danyl will not win-I’ll bet that today!

  374. Good luck Adam in equaling Kelly/Carrie/Daughtry level of success.
    Good luck equallying Jordin’s record of Top 10 hits. And extra good luck in even selling a million albums which Jordin did the first time around.

    Because it won’t be easy.

  375. Let’s have a vote on Adam’s Boca Raton tweets (whether true or not): Would you rather see him nude on jet skis or deshabille on a massage table?

    Do we really have to choose? ;) Adam is an inconsistent tweeter (really serious and then really serious about his work or others), but at least I understand what he is saying (unlike Allison–sorry, Alli, but I have not got a clue 99 percent of the time).

    I think GaGa and BEP and Katy Perry have buzz. Jason Mraz, The Fray, One Republic, Gavin DeGraw, Jack Johnson do not. And all are serious musicians. You have Adam, you have Kris, you have Cook walking into a pub near Lupos in Providence and it’s all chill (but he was HOT). It’s that different strokes for different folks situation, IMO. And will always, always set Adam apart for me is his insanely beautiful voice.

    ETA of first single?

  376. Let’s have a vote on Adam’s Boca Raton tweets (whether true or not): Would you rather see him nude on jet skis or deshabille on a massage table?

    Any pic will do but I prefer the massage table with oiled up skin, etc. etc.

  377. There has been no sex scandal linked to Adam. Details was an artistic photo shoot. Nothing more.

    ITA, and I tend to think that people who don’t like it are too conservative to remain Adam fans, anyway. From the descriptions of the songs on his upcoming CD we’ve heard, Adam is not gunning for a conservative fan base. He’s edgy, and I think he’ll ultimately attract more edgy fans.

    If he’s only gunning for ‘edgy’ fans, he’s going to have a pretty small fanbase.

  378. I don’t think Adam can because the goal is clearly to equal or better the success Daughtry/Carrie/Kelly have had in the ‘real world.’  That’s just logical for RCA/19.

    Who is setting this bar? And are we taking My December Kelly, or Breakaway Kelly, or Some Hearts Carrie or present day Carrie? I think he doesn’t have to outsell either of them to be seen as a success. If he puts out an interesting cd and the same people who are talking about him now are still doing so in 6th months then he’s accomplished a lot. I think his bread and butter will be touring and endorsements. That is where the ‘celebrity’ will come into play, as he seems to be better at this than any idol before him, imho.

  379. If he’s only gunning for ‘edgy’ fans, he’s going to have a pretty small fanbase.

    If you think that this is his goal you are missing what he’s been doing for the last decade. I think there is going to be something for everyone, but that will not exclude the people looking for ‘edginess’. I think we’ve seen how multi-faceted Adam is. In that, I have no worries. This is the guy who can do The Prayer and Crawl Thru the Fire, and do it convincingly, and well. You might like one side of Adam, and I another, but we both might get what we want, perhaps?

  380. OK’ ¦no particular order’ ¦’ ¦Comfortably Numb, Great Gig in the Sky, Wish you Were Here’ ¦

    Besides the Adam adoration, does anyone here listen to music from this century? The music references seem so outdated and I find it difficult to relate. Maybe it is because Idol forces such old songs on the contestants. I don’t know.

  381. Good luck Adam in equaling Kelly/Carrie/Daughtry level of success.
    Good luck equallying Jordin’s record of Top 10 hits. And extra good luck in selling a million albums which Jordin did the first time around.

    Shouldn’t that be the winners job to equal the success of past winners? I think Adam will do well but he doesn’t have to compete with past winners because believe it or not he lost.

  382. If he’s only gunning for ‘edgy’ fans, he’s going to have a pretty small fanbase.

    Touche — so maybe “edgy” wasn’t the right word, but certainly they’ll need to be open minded and enjoy diversity. Based on what he says in interviews, he likes to shake things up, so it’s unlikely this will be the last provocative thing we see from him. I’ve never claimed he’ll achieve world domination. I think he’s going to generate a large fan base and be successful, to be sure, but he’s been polarizing from the start, and I think that’s how he likes it.

  383. But were we to base it on pre-Idol, the same holds true: not all performances emphasized sex.

    Yep, you’re right. After I posted, I thought about it more, and I totally agree. Although I’ll also readily admit that many times Adam seems to personify sex. :-)

  384. The whole “Take One” album is getting odder — Amazon now has two listings for the same album — one under Coldwater (a label I can’t find on Google) and now a second listing for the same record issued by Rufftown Records (same as the listing at Barnes & Nobel). I think the first one is an error:

    Product Details
    Audio CD (November 17, 2009)
    Original Release Date: 2009
    Number of Discs: 1
    Label: Coldwater
    ASIN: B002TW7K5U
    Amazon.com Sales Rank: #587 in Music (See Bestsellers in Music)

    Take One
    Adam Lambert (Artist)
    List Price: $15.98
    Price: $15.98 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25. Details
    Product Details
    Audio CD (November 17, 2009)
    Label: Rufftown Records
    ASIN: B002U6CJME

    FifthHouseSun: The tweets are completely out of Adam’s usual Twitter character. Unless he’s drunk. Or something. And it makes no sense to even address the J.Scott/HiFi drek and give them free PR. Or so off-handedly mention release of single. After all the ‘when?’  fervor. Makes no sense.

    The album is the Hi-Fi album of the Wilshire Records demo recordings. Nothing to do with the song J. Scott G. has.

    Regarding the off-handed mention of the single — that is perfectly consistent with Adam. Listen to the interview with Ryan Seacrest on 10/13 — he was very low key about his upcoming performance on the AMAs even.

    FifthHouseSun: And last night, if there was a Party City Halloween Party, why wouldn’t Party City not want heavy pic coverage of Adam in costume? (And get yours at Party City, kids’ ¦) Not one camera at a party?

    This is a corporate-sponsored high-level industry event — I’m sure there are official pictures, but I doubt we will ever see those. And usually people do not take snapshots at private corporate parties. But I bet that eventually some show up from this event.

  385. I don’t think the hype for Adam is bad for him at all. Most would give their right arm to be a media darling. It only becomes an issue if the end result doesn’t make the hype pay off for the label and others who hope Adam is profitable. Jordin Sparks can get away with modest success off of AI. I don’t think Adam can because the goal is clearly to equal or better the success Daughtry/Carrie/Kelly have had in the ‘real world.’  That’s just logical for RCA/19.

    Adam do better than Daughtry, Carrie, and Kelly? If that’s the expectation then proceed. I’ll just sit back with a glass of wine.

  386. There has been no sex scandal linked to Adam. Details was an artistic photo shoot. Nothing more.

    ITA, and I tend to think that people who don’t like it are too conservative to remain Adam fans, anyway. From the descriptions of the songs on his upcoming CD we’ve heard, Adam is not gunning for a conservative fan base. He’s edgy, and I think he’ll ultimately attract more edgy fans.

    …………………..

    Very wisely stated. If you take David Bowie for example, he went way farther than Adam is, in the manisteam. He even proclaimed himself, as a bi-sexual. But he was very savie, and still kept himself in the light.
    David Bowie was a pioneer, at being avante garde. The facination of his characters, drew fans to him, “like a moth to a flame”. That is how it was in those days, before the ‘age of information’ & computer’s.
    Without computer’s & internet, Adam would be more of a mysteryto us.
    Now, we practically know every move he makes, which creates a totally different fan base.
    That’s why his live performance’s, hold the magic & the heightened sense of anticipation.
    I wasn’t surprised, but a bit jealous, when so many fans were attending numerous Idol concert’s. Their fixation on Adam, was inbridled. Thanks to them, we have fantastic footage of many different performances!
    Thanks again, to all who went concert crazy! The summer went by soooo fast, and my behind got a bit wider!!

  387. Top me Adam oozes sex appeal. It’s in his eyes, he makes eye contact and it feels like he is looking right into you. He got me in Satisfaction (which I didn’t particularly like) when he looked right into the camera and kind of smirked. I get the same thing in the good vids of TFM. JMO :)

  388. I don’t think the hype for Adam is bad for him at all. Most would give their right arm to be a media darling. It only becomes an issue if the end result doesn’t make the hype pay off for the label and others who hope Adam is profitable. Jordin Sparks can get away with modest success off of AI. I don’t think Adam can because the goal is clearly to equal or better the success Daughtry/Carrie/Kelly have had in the ‘real world.’  That’s just logical for RCA/19.

    Adam do better than Daughtry, Carrie, and Kelly? If that’s the expectation then proceed. I’ll just sit back with a glass of wine.

    Given the same time frame as these guys, it is certainly achievable.

  389. Shouldn’t that be the winners job to equal the success of past winners?

    It’s not widely known and you could hardly know it from watching AI, but Daughtry did, in fact, not win.

    Okay, I see that the “controversial” controversy is still raging and it got me thinking how I would answer if I was asked that question (something akin to “have you stopped beating your wife”).

    For instance, if I was asked, “Why did you win?”, I could be boring and say “I don’t know”, flip and say “Because I got the most votes”, kind of proud of myself and say “Because I appealed to more voters” or stab myself in the back and say “Because the voters are all freakin’ homophobes and the other guy clearly deserved to win”. I really don’t have a good answer here. Either I have to give myself some credit (which means that I’m “slamming” the guy who didn’t win) or I’m not promoting myself. I can’t think of a neutral way to do this and not accused of being boring.

    Likewise the question about “why does the other guy get more press”. I can other say “I don’t know”, “I’m as boring as a sack of hair” or try to find some way of not slamming him, but not slamming myself either. There is nothing wrong with being controversial or not being controversial.

    I’m curious, does anybody have a good way of answering those two questions that would allow somebody to promote themselves and not be seen as being passive-aggressive to the other guy?

    ETA: I don’t think you can ban the topic either because that seems to annoy most reporters and they make sure to mention that you are afraid of the topic which looks bad too.

  390. sanduskyday:…does anyone here listen to music from this century? The music references seem so outdated and I find it difficult to relate…

    Well, where’s your list, friend? I’m going by what you’re into.
    I would tell people to listen to AFI, RATM, Datsuns, and tbh, not really to excited about todays rock scene. You?

  391. It’s not widely known and you could hardly know it from watching AI, but Daughtry did, in fact, not win.

    I was referring to the actual winners.

  392. I’m curious, does anybody have a good way of answering those two questions that would allow somebody to promote themselves and not be seen as being passive-aggressive to the other guy?

    I like this one: I don’t know’ , ‘I’m as boring as a sack of hair’  lol j/k. It did make me laugh though. But, Like i have said before, Adam does a good job of answering these questions. I have even heard him say “Kris got more votes, the end” Or “Kris deserved to win b/c he is so talented”. None of these times did I get the feeling that Adam thought he was stabbing himself in the back. Instead, peeps commended him for his support of kris and being a very gracious loser. So, it can be done. Would you think it passive aggressive of Adam to Kris if Adam made a comment about “blandness” or “vanilla” or “boring”, etc. etc when asked a DIRECT question about Kris?

  393. I was referring to the actual winners.

    But you quoted a comment that refered to Kelly, Carrie and Daughtry. So, it’s confusing. And now it begs the question if he should out-sell Daughtry since he finished higher than he did. IDK. Daughtry’s success greatly changed the measuring sticks. Not everybody is going to be as successful as him, but he did set the gold-standard for non-winners. Even more so than Clay did before him.

    Everybody has their different standards and their different expectations.

  394. I’m curious, does anybody have a good way of answering those two questions…

    I believe way, way, way back in this thread (or another like it, as they all sort of run together these days…) someone did give excellent examples. IIRC, it was ggdoorsfan. But it’s been awhile and I can’t say for sure that they meet all of your criteria, Kirsten. :-) They were good, though. LOL

    I do agree it’s difficult to always get it right, certainly nearly impossible to say it in a way that is not subject to (negative) interpretation.

  395. Kris is right. Of course Adam is controversial.

    The media snaps controversial Idol contestants right up.

  396. I was referring to the actual winners.

    But you quoted a comment that refered to Kelly, Carrie and Daughtry. So, it’s confusing. And now it begs the question if he should out-sell Daughtry since he finished higher than he did. IDK. Daughtry’s success greatly changed the measuring sticks. Not everybody is going to be as successful for him, but he did set the gold-standard for non-winners.

    I think he will, but we won’t know until his music is out there.

  397. From the descriptions of the songs on his upcoming CD we’ve heard, Adam is not gunning for a conservative fan base. He’s edgy, and I think he’ll ultimately attract more edgy fans.

    If he’s only gunning for ‘edgy’ fans, he’s going to have a pretty small fanbase.

    Obviously, people are not either “edgy” or not. No one is saying they are, but I think that kind of surfacy distinctions can derail communication. Look at the AI tour as just one platform: Adam played to thousands of people all over the country and got consistently good reception. Given the large numbers, the AI fan base as a whole, and the geographical range of the shows, it’s a good bet that a lot of the people screaming for his relatively (for Idol shows) edgy performances were people who were, in many ways, conservative. People’s artistic preferences don’t necessarily conform to their other preferences. I have friends with extremely conservative artistic tastes (eg, a preference for 17th C German church music) and very radical political opinions and lifestyles. And vice versa.

    There might not be a huge audience for Adam’s music, but it might be huge enough.

  398. Who cares who won? All we can do is guess what kind of success they might have based on how they’ll fit in the current music market. To me, given the media attention Adam is getting, he has a golden opportunity. Also, contrary to what many have said, even mj, I think he is really marketable in top40. His singing style and his image goes well with what is out there. Also his musical interests seem to align with what is currently popular. I think he has a good shot at being succesful.

  399. Rub,

    Well, where’s your list, friend? I’m going by what you’re into.

    Currently listening to Regina Spektor, Black Eyed Peas, Owl City, Buckcherry, Metallica, The Killers, The Walkmen, Allison Krauss. I could go on, but will spare you, lol.

  400. The music references seem so outdated and I find it difficult to relate.

    Someone asked me for good songs I like…and truth be told, I couldn’t really tell you what is on the top 40 right now…because it isn’t that good. I’m not partial to girl singers, the current groups are here today and gone tomorrow, and the Nickleback, Daughtry sound of music just doesn’t float my boat.

    I love it when posters here post links to music they love…because, sorry to say, I ten to retreat to my old favs because I just can’t get into the new stuff. So if someone has some overwhelming great music they listen to…bring it on.

    And yes…I loved The Cranberries, and Annie Lennox, (and don’t hate me…Amy Winehouse) and The Sons of Leon. I actually checked out 2008’s top songs…and their isn’t one that I would say are Great. So educate me.

  401. suebrody
    October 25, 2009 at 6:17 pm
    I don’t love IICHY, but I am probably the only one, and I DID feel it after time.

    FIANLLY! One convert at a time . . . even within the Adam ranks! :-)

  402. I absolutely adore Pink and just about everything she does. She is pretty deep.

  403. the goal is clearly to equal or better the success Daughtry/Carrie/Kelly have had in the ‘real world.’  That’s just logical for RCA/19.

    Of course RCA wants Adam (and all artists on their label) to achieve the success of Daughtry,Carrie and Kelly. The reality is, that even Daughtry, Carrie and Kelly are going to have a hard time achieving the same amount of sales on their new albums that they reached on previous albums as everything is different now.

    I think the key for Kris and Adam will be longevity.

  404. Besides the Adam adoration, does anyone here listen to music from this century?

    yes.

  405. sanduskyday : Regina Spektor, Black Eyed Peas, Owl City, Buckcherry, Metallica, The Killers, The Walkmen, Allison Krauss.

    Owl City?!?
    I didn’t know we were listing guilty pleasures? lol j/k
    its cool, just don’t tell anybody Im on this board/blog whatever.
    Buckcherry – cool

  406. Besides the Adam adoration, does anyone here listen to music from this century?

    Don’t forget, every single idol, Kelly, Carrie, Cook, etc. are from this century.

    I like the All American Rejects, the Killers, Muse, Green Day, the old and new Pearl Jam and the old and new U2. Yes, the Red Hot Chili Peppers are my age, but they are still going strong.

    ETA-how could I forget The Dave Matthews Band and Jason Mraz?

  407. thedavidcook: # Done for the day here in Indiana. The EMHE folks are a rowdy bunch! The house looks amazing! Can’t wait for the family to see it.
    6 minutes ago from mobile web

  408. Besides the Adam adoration, does anyone here listen to music from this century?

    Yes….India.Arie, Marc Broussard, Ray LaMontagne, Chrisette Michelle, Alicia Keys, Pink, Kelly Clarkson, blah, blah, blah….

  409. OKie, dokie….I know Buckcherry’s Sorry.

    See, I listen to some new stuff…I just don’t relate songs to performers like I did in my youth…

    It’s like, as you get older, you listen but don’t file for reference. Sad.

  410. Besides the Adam adoration, does anyone here listen to music from this century?

    Well, how sweet! ;-)

    I absolutely adore Pink…

    Me too. My current go-to’s (and they do change dramatically with mood and time lol) include P!nk, Lady GaGa, Green Day (love them), Phoenix, Death Cab for Cutie (before they hit mainstream) and Muse, among others. David Cook ranks high for me and my daughter. I also enjoy Hurt, Mraz, Tokio Hotel, Portugal. The Man, and Lyle Lovett. (!!)

    So, yay, I have some current century interests. But I also proudly have some strong interests from last year’s Q4. LOL

  411. Does David use the same hair color as Adam? Or is it somewhat lighter?

  412. does anyone here listen to music from this century?

    No, the last musician I listened to is Mozart.

  413. Tess
    October 25, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Tess what are some songs you really liked over the years?

    OK’ ¦no particular order’ ¦

    Comfortably Numb, Great Gig in the Sky, Wish you Were Here, Stairway to Heaven, Papa Was a Rolling Stone, Whiter Shade of Pale, Purple Rain, Bohemian Rhapsody, Light My Fire, Proud Mary, Free Bird, Heard it Through the Grapevine, The End of Innocece, Fire and Rain, What’s Going On.

    Great list with maybe the exception of Light My Fire. I got sick of that song in about a week. I’d have to replace it with something from Derek and the Dominoes…the likely candidate being Layla, but I’d choose something less well known like Bell Bottom Blues…anything from that album would work for me.

    Yep I’m old and I like old rock. My teenagers appreciate it too in addition to music from this century. From this century I prefer Americana music…not at all mainstream. I also loved one System of a Down album, but I couldn’t tell you which it was other than it was the one my kids were playing.

  414. LeeTravers
    October 25, 2009 at 7:19 pm
    Does David use the same hair color as Adam? Or is it somewhat lighter?
    Ha! I love a topic change. David Cook or David Archuleta? For the latter, I am assuming it is natural. For David Cook…lighter. IMO Adam’s hair is very dark, almost black.

  415. Yes’ ¦.India.Arie, Marc Broussard, Ray LaMontagne, Chrisette Michelle, Alicia Keys, Pink, Kelly Clarkson, blah, blah, blah’ ¦.

    booyah abbysee – great taste here – chrisette michelle and india.arie are two of the most underrated singers out there… love chrisette’s cd… this girl is baaaaaaad…

  416. Let’s have a vote on Adam’s Boca Raton tweets (whether true or not): Would you rather see him nude on jet skis or deshabille on a massage table?

    haha. New word for the day! Such an educational blog.

  417. Sassycatz
    October 25, 2009 at 7:19 pm
    does anyone here listen to music from this century?

    No, the last musician I listened to is Mozart.

    Well, actually — did anybody notice a few weeks ago that Haydn was #1 in the Movers and Shakers on Amazon???? I think it was just after he was on Oprah . . .

  418. If he’s only gunning for ‘edgy’ fans, he’s going to have a pretty small fanbase.

    Well, I don’t think he is only gunning for edgy fans, but I think many people will find him so, and will hopefully either be fans because of it or in spite of it.

    Madonna was pretty edgy in her time, and it didn’t hurt her.

    It is all about his music and if it is good and if people like it and if it resonates with them. If he delivers, he will be on his way.

    Come on guys, he is trying to make sh**t happen.

    I love the fact that he just puts it all out there, and is willing to take big risks. The fact that he seems driven to do that is a good sign to me of real artistry.

    Yes, there is a lot of media hype around Adam. And for some reason, people love knocking down a media “darling.” But this darling does have huge talent, and though there is a lot of pressure, he has a real opportunity to take off in a big way. And that is exciting. For him and for me.

    Okay, and kind of nerve-wracking. I want him to succeed because I selfishly want to hear his music for a long time to come.

    I like the “edgy” stuff and the tamer stuff; each just creates a different mood and takes me to a different place. And I am a happy traveller either way.

    And yes, I admit, I also love TFM. The first time I heard it, I primarily loved Adam’s voice singing it. The song was secondary. But after a while, the whole song grew on me.

    Maybe because since then, a need for a real miracle has come into my life, and this song, and Adam’s soaring vocal on it, brings me hope and peace when things feel hard.

    The way he sings that chorus feels otherworldly, and makes me feel the hope that rises with the glory notes he sings. Yes, the delivery of the lyrics resonates with me, so he must have done something right in his singing of them, at least for me.

  419. Kelly has sold worldwide like around 20 million albums right? Carrie has sold a little over 10 million in four years. I’ll be very anxious to see if Adam can equal or surpass numbers like that given the massive decline in CD sales.

  420. Lyle Lovett.

    I adore Lyle Lovett, absolutely adore!

    booyah abbysee ‘“ great taste here ‘“ chrisette michelle and india.arie are two of the most underrated singers out there‘ ¦ love chrisette’s cd’ ¦ this girl is baaaaaaad’ ¦

    Absolutely baaaaad!

  421. does anyone here listen to music from this century?

    … throw in some maxwell, diane birch, boney james, adele, laura izibor and some michelle ferrell and i am in heaven…..

  422. I have four kids so I spent years singing hits like the ABC song, I Love You, You Love Me, and the greatest hits of Sesame Street & Disney. Once they the teenage years, my favorite music was “quiet”. I’ve enjoyed finding grown-up music again.

  423. booyah abbysee ‘“ great taste here ‘“ chrisette michelle and india.arie are two of the most underrated singers out there’ ¦ love chrisette’s cd’ ¦ this girl is baaaaaaad’ ¦

    Absolutely baaaaad!

    she is one reason why i detest the likes of the rhianna’s and other ”singers” who clog up the airwaves and the charts… style is currently winning over substance, but the singers like michelle will get my money and attention every time…

  424. Looking at the auction video again, is that the jacket he wore in the CBTM video?

    No, if you check out that photobucket with the pics from the auction, this jacket had some weird-ass toggle buttons. I even commented on it =P

    In other news, I know most here are in the throes of a fascinating discussion of Adam’s hype or not (my take- the hype is good for him and gives him a greater shot at success), and Kris’ passive-aggressiveness or not (my take- not getting any passive aggressiveness from Kris, but if he is, that’s kind of awesome…), but are there any DCO members lurking here who could help me with some info? I just went to DC’s official youtube channel to watch the CBTM video, cuz it’s been a while, and it won’t play. Some sort of country error, even though I’m in the U.S. What’s the dealio? Anyone know?

  425. Well, I just checked my itunes, and I have music (largely albums) purchased this year from 55 different artists, largely stuff released in the last year. Genres included: Country (Sugarland, Brad Paisley, Keith Urban, Miranda Lambert), Alt country/Americana/related (Roseanne Cash, Neko Case, Old 97s, Wilco), Alternative (Fleet Foxes, Lily Allen, Iron & Wine, Erin McKeown), Rock (David Cook, U2, Bruce Springsteen, the Dead Weather, Green Day), Folk/Folk-rock/related (Indigo Girls, Brandi Carlile, Avett Brothers, Eliza Wilkyson), and whatever the hell Andrew Bird is. Heh.

    I do sometimes think that I am keeping the music industry afloat. They really should consider sending me a thank you card or some such.

    ETA: smallie—The person who reports on video stats on the chart thread at DCO noted a problem with that a couple of weeks ago. Sounds like it still isn’t fixed….

  426. I just went to DC’s official youtube channel to watch the CBTM video, cuz it’s been a while, and it won’t play. Some sort of country error, even though I’m in the U.S. What’s the dealio? Anyone know?

    That is strange. I just logged into youtube and I’m getting an error message for it too. This is what it said when I tried to load it:

    “This video is unavailable. ” Honestly, I have no clue.

    ETA: Ok, I copied and pasted the link location after opening another window and I now see the same message you saw. Weird.

  427. What’s the dealio? Anyone know?

    Just tried it, sma11ie, and got the message “This video is unavailable.”

    No idea! No help. Just commiserating. :-)

  428. What’s the dealio? Anyone know?

    Tried it, works for me. I’m outside the US, for what it’s worth.

    /re-lurks

  429. Smallie, the Youtube video is not playing for people from the US and has not worked for almost 1 1/2 weeks now. People overseas have been able to view it. If you go to DCO Home page, you can play it there. It has been brought to the attention of DCO moderators, but I don’t know what they’ve found out in regards to the copyright problems.

  430. Does David use the same hair color as Adam? Or is it somewhat lighter?

    Ha! I love a topic change. David Cook or David Archuleta? For the latter, I am assuming it is natural. For David Cook’ ¦lighter. IMO Adam’s hair is very dark, almost black.

    I think Adam dyes his hair black, whereas the Davids have dark brown hair. It seems Archie’s hair is naturally a pretty dark brown, and I don’t think he dyes it. DC changes his hair a lot, but from old photos it seems like it’s naturally this medium-to-dirty brown color with a bit of a reddish hue when in the sun. Seems he dyed it dark brown for most of AI7 and into the summer tour and Fall album promos, but it was never dyed the jet black that Adam keeps. Anyway, from the auction video and the hard-hat twitpics, he seems to be returning to the darker hair again after a brief stint with the blondish highlights this summer.

    Btw, thanks everyone for the youtube update. Pretty strange… but I guess it could be worse. At least mods are notified, and it hasn’t been broken for months or something… oh, and Jolene, you’re alive! Hi!

  431. I meant if it was voting then glamberts(and other fans) probably spammed the polls like (I think) they usually dooo’ ¦

    Actually I voted in that poll. It was an email that you had to send saying if you would like to be on the Oprah show that day and who did you think was the best reality star (I can’t remember the exact language). It did not list names. I wrote in saying that I was from Ontario and I could not attend but if Oprah had Adam on I would definitely be watching it. I also voted for Adam was my favourite reality star.

  432. If you want to compare Idol sales just remember that sales are going down about 13% per year.

    In 2002 the top selling album sold 7.4 million copies and in 2008 the top seller sold 2.87.

    So comparing album to album is like comparing the value of my house today to its value 2 years ago….sorry not even close.

    If numbers are the only criteria then no Idol will ever come close to those in the past….I bet Kris and Adam won’t even come close to the number from last year. So, obviously, Kelly will ALWAYS be the greatest idol ever. End of story.

  433. Music- I like a lot of different types of music, right now listening to Air, Regina Spektor, Arcade Fire, Modest Mouse, Adele, Depeche Mode, Kings of Convenience,Phoenix, Justice, Mayor Hawthorne- and the list keeps going…

  434. oh, and Jolene, you’re alive! Hi!

    Hi! Yeah I’m alive, just not as vocal and not as present here since I started my new job. My DC love is still burning strong, though… Not much of a surprise I guess. LOL

    It is sort of fun to view the angst and fanwars from a safe distance with Adam and Kris, I have to admit. One year of Superfandom was more than enough for me.

  435. Well I’m mad I didn’t get an email from Oprah, because I would have been happy to vote for Adam, and I most assuredly am not a Glambert- just an Adam fan.

    Tess, I love the analogy of record sales to home values. Very clever, and sadly, very true. But my guess is that housing prices will rebound more readily than record sales. What will the future bring for recording artists? I truly don’t know.

  436. Listened to most of David C’s album today for the first time in awhile. On some of the glory notes, David sounds somewhat like Steve Perry (the original, very talented lead singer of Journey, also did some solo work). Sounds nice, of course. I know that David met with Steve at least once during the writing/recording process and David thanks him in his liner notes.

    Wonder who David C. will work with for his sophomore album and what it will be like.

    Re: Adam’s Time for Miracles, I was at first surprised by how much I liked it and have watched the video numerous times. Adam looks and sounds great in the video. Don’t know whether I’ll buy his CD, will see what it sounds like, then decide.

  437. Ladyguard
    Actually I voted in that poll. It was an email that you had to send saying if you would like to be on the Oprah show that day and who did you think was the best reality star (I can’t remember the exact language). It did not list names.

    Was that the one on Oprah’s site where they also asked questions about why they were your favorite or something like that? I vaguely remember seeing a link to something that required more effort that simply clicking a button — hence my lack of participation. I am a lazy Adam fan.

  438. Yeah I’m alive, just not as vocal and not as present here since I started my new job. The DC love is still burning strong, though’ ¦ Not much of a surprise I guess. LOL

    I need to learn that discipline and come less often myself… I have a take home midterm due tomorrow and I have a whole semester’s worth of reading to do before I can even attempt it. All-nighter ahead, what am I doing here?! But rumors of hard-hatted DC reel me right back to the internets to search for pics LOL. I need to take a page from your book, and keep the DC love burning strong without spending so much time online!

  439. If you want to compare Idol sales just remember that sales are going down about 13% per year.

    In 2002 the top selling album sold 7.4 million copies and in 2008 the top seller sold 2.87.

    So comparing album to album is like comparing the value of my house today to its value 2 years ago’ ¦.sorry not even close.

    If numbers are the only criteria then no Idol will ever come close to those in the past’ ¦.I bet Kris and Adam won’t even come close to the number from last year. So, obviously, Kelly will ALWAYS be the greatest idol ever. End of story.

    Thanks Tess for the research. By the way, do you have figures for singles? I know the grand total of singles are up, but does that translate into more downloads for the top sellers? Or are artists putting out more singles because people don’t want to buy the full album, so there are more singles out there to purchase?

    So perhaps the overall number of singles sold is more because there are more singles out there, but the number of downloads for top sellers are lower than previous years. Does that make sense?

    There was a heated debate a day or so ago whether we could expect Season 8 idols to sell as many singles as previous seasons idols.

    Some people cited the economy as the reason for lower numbers, others, illegal downloading. And some, of course, feel that the top two this year just aren’t as popular as other idols in the past.

  440. she is one reason why i detest the likes of the rhianna’s and other ”singers’  who clog up the airwaves and the charts’ ¦ style is currently winning over substance, but the singers like michelle will get my money and attention every time’ ¦

    Please don’t get me started on Rihanna, fugeddabout it, lol. A few years ago I was hating on Ciara, and before that was fill in the blank,,, etc, etc. If you are a singer, you should be able to sing. Ya know?

  441. YES! Hard-hatted David Cook. Just as I expected, he looks hilarious/adorkable .

    http://twitpic.com/mx55l

    http://twitpic.com/mx4u7

    Aww, I *heart* that second pic. The hardhat is kinda perched like it’s too small for his giant noggin. Made me think of this. Also, his armz are looking mighty nice. Minority opinion, shallow edition: I am not loving the stylists who are responsible for this new Cookie Do (not to be confused with Cookie Dough, which, mmmm.) Way too short and two shades too dark. I liked the reddish color that matches his beard and messier hair. *pouts, selfishly*

    As for Adam’s place in the musical landscape…I think I was one of the first to say it round these parts, but he was being groomed for pop stardom from day one of his AI run. With Gaga breaking out and Britney making a comeback and now Michael Jackson’s unfortunate passing a hot button topic, Adam and his larger than life persona fits pretty well into the current pop scene. As long as his early sales aren’t shockingly abysmal, his album doesn’t totally suck causing a mass revolt of his fanbase and he doesn’t underperform in a painfully obvious way on the AMAs, all unlikely, I’m guessing that he’s pretty much golden. The media have christened him the Next Big Thing before his record has dropped, and all indications are that he has the full support of the Sony bigwigs *and* 19. Media darling+probable behind the scenes label love+19 promotional machine working overtime=perfect storm. I have a feeling radio will be waiting with open arms.

    I really only have Cookie’s post AI blitz to refer to since I missed the Daughtry/Carrie era, so maybe I’m completely full of crap, but for me (for you) there’s a slight difference between Cook’s post show buzz and Adam’s post show buzz. Cookie got a lot of press and was generally well liked, yet there was always a “buuuuut” kinda thing. Or an asterisk, or something. There was stuff along the lines of “Can Cook overcome the AI stigma? Does radio need another Daughtry *rolls eyes at that one*? Will rock radio ever accept an AI winner? Will Archie be the next Clay type runner up whose album outsells the winner?” Lots of question marks. Not sure why. Maybe because he was the first “rock winner” or maybe because RCA wasn’t pimping him as enthusiastically behind the scenes to the industry types as 19 was pimping him to the general public (whch would mean RCA are idiots)..who knows. Cook def had the backing of Fuller which helped tremendously and afforded him lots of sweet gigs in which to prove himself (which, IMO, he did), but there was always also this vibe that he had to work uber hard to get radio and the media to respect him, hence the slow build of Light On on the radio rather than out of the gate gangbusters. That kind of wait and see tone seems to be missing from Adam’s press. Again, not sure why, but that’s the vibe I get. With the obvious exception of fanboys like Cantiello, I do get the wait and see vibe from Kris’s press, even moreso than with Cook. Kris is gonna have to work his ass off and get himself out there in front of people and knock em dead.

  442. Off the top of my head Rihanna had about 9 million or so single downloads last year….and I don’t think her album finished real high. Jordin was 10th in total downloads.

    I’ll try and do some research and see if I can see how 2008 compared to 2007.

  443. Does anyone know how and when this voting took place. I don’t recall seeing anything on it. Was is just for those who watch her show? Is this how peeps knew about it? I’m just curious.

    I’d actually lik to know that too. As an Adam fan- I knew nothing about the Oprah voting and I think it came as kind of a suprise to most of us on this board at least. Wondering if voting came from ‘outside the bubble’ 

    hhmm.. that’s good point.. maybe Oprah’s staffs did their own research or survey. Because it’s impossible that every fan bases didn’t know if there’s a poll about this and didn’t pass around the news. You know how good fans are in finding stuff in the internet or other media.

  444. At Kellys pre-show (you buy VIP tickets, you can watch Kelly do an acoustic set) tonight she said that she might be doing a summer tour with someone.

  445. Sunchick, totally agree with your post. I think Cook came out of AI with alot of respect for his singing and arranging skills. Plus his pre-idol stuff is considered pretty good and he had some recognition in the industry for it. I think Cook came out of AI sitting prettier than Kris because Cook became the dark horse of the competition pretty early on. At top 5, it would have been considered a shock if Cook and Archie weren’t in the finals.

    This season, at top 5, no one was sure Kris would make it to the finals. I think everyone thought Adam should make it to the top two but it was a horse race between Danny, Allison, Kris and Matt for the second slot.

  446. Cook is hotness personified in a lowkey way. He always has this, Golly, Gee, Me? look in these pics. Adorable. And then he rocks hard and then it’s back to unassuming!David.

    And interesting post, sunchick. I think it’s true: RCA didn’t really know what to do about David, b/c he was so different than previous winners. He did have a lowkey buzz, but Archie didn’t have a huge buzz, either–none of the Idols did S7, IMO–and that is not the case this year, w/ Kris, Adam, and Allison (not Danny, not yet, but we’ll see; oh, and signmattgiraud)

  447. elw
    October 25, 2009 at 6:24 pm
    More controversial??? Give me a break. Adam just has the ‘it’ factor that Kris doesn’t have, end of story.

    *Thank* you! That’s my thinking exactly. Kris makes it sound as if Adam is only in the spotlight because he’s controversial … no, he’s in the spotlight because he has charisma, talent, and star power.

    And I also didn’t like Kris’ comment at the end … is he implying that Adam is only interested in becoming famous? Adam has said time and again that he wants to make music that he cares about and that makes people feel good. From any interview you can tell that he is passionate about the music … for its own sake and not just as a vehicle for fame.

    Maybe Kris’ laid-back, “really-happy-for-him” facade is starting to crack. That would be a shame because I have always admired that Kris seemed so supportive of Adam.

  448. hhmm.. that’s good point.. maybe Oprah’s staffs did their own research or survey. Because it’s impossible that every fan bases didn’t know if there’s a poll about this and didn’t pass around the news. You know how good fans are in finding stuff in the internet or other media.

    I suspect folks who watch Oprah on a regular basis and/or subscribe to her magazine probably sign up for email alerts from Oprah. I get them for the Huffington Post. So I suspect those who participated in the voting are regular Oprah viewers.

  449. Digital singles…how they have grown.

    An interesting read….and once you have read 2009….just change the year in the http address and you can get earlier years. The numbers are phenomenal. In the 2008 issue they reported for every legal download there are 20 illegal downloads. So every artist is potentially loosing $20 for every $1 they sell. Sad that!!

    http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_resources/dmr2009.html

  450. Cookie got a lot of press and was generally well liked, yet there was always a ‘buuuuut’  kinda thing. Or an asterisk, or something. There was stuff along the lines of ‘Can Cook overcome the AI stigma? Does radio need another Daughtry *rolls eyes at that one*? Will rock radio ever accept an AI winner? Will Archie be the next Clay type runner up whose album outsells the winner?’  Lots of question marks. […] there was always also this vibe that he had to work uber hard to get radio and the media to respect him, hence the slow built of Light On on the radio rather than out of the gate gangbusters. That kind of wait and see, not fully convinced tone seems to be missing from Adam’s press.

    Totally agree with this. I talked about this a little bit, I think yesterday. DC was well-liked post-win by a lot of the media for being a nice guy, a good singer, and doing cool interpretations for AI, but a lot of music critics and industry peeps were skeptical of what he would produce post-show, and not necessarily praising him en masse, or welcoming him with open arms. DC faced the AI stigma a LOT.

    In contrast, Adam may not have as large a fanbase as DC (he didn’t win, and was much more polarizing), and as such, may not have DC’s opening album numbers, BUT he may be poised to do better in the mainstream after the first week sales. Adam seems to have a lot more industry folks in his corner already, before people have even heard his stuff. He has “it” people like Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, actresses like Christina Applegate, etc., all proclaiming to be fans. And add to the fact that he didn’t win, it’s like, because “America” didn’t vote for him, because he’s too out there for the masses, music critics feel like they can get behind Adam without feeling like they’re getting behind an “American Idol”. Adams seems to be in a GREAT position for post-AI success as long as his music doesn’t severely disappoint.

    I dunno, this is just my take. People keep saying how female winners tend to do better, and I really think male winners are negatively received by the AI stigma way more. Makes me wonder what DC’s reception would’ve been had he lost to Archie? I remember a lot of us fans saying last November that it’s great thing he won cuz he got the winners’ treatment and got a few extra promo opportunities… but now that I see what’s happening with Adam and Kris, and Adam getting more promo opportunities… I feel like if DC had lost, he would’ve still signed with RCA, and Archie would’ve still signed with Jive, and DC may have still gotten the few extra promo opportunities that he ended up with, if that was what 19 wanted… Anyway. I guess none of this matters cuz it’s ancient history, and my sappy side would never want to take away that winning moment from DC, because it was the most beautiful TV moment ever. Did I say I had a midterm. Ok, stopping ramble now!

  451. Maybe his head is too big.

    Yes it is!
    We need more pictures, and videos.

  452. Does anyone know how and when this voting took place. I don’t recall seeing anything on it. Was is just for those who watch her show? Is this how peeps knew about it? I’m just curious.

    I know this is driving peeps nuts…but I think this time the “voting” came outside of the AI bubble and it’s probably a pretty good thing. And I think the reason it didn’t hit the AI fansites because it was in relation to reality competition shows and not AI…so word searches didn’t have it pop up on fan bases. It’s over and done with, no harm no foul…I am sure that other Idols will get their chance down the road.

  453. Please upload any pictures of Adam that Kris thinks are controversial. Thank you very much in advance.

  454. Interesting question about musical tastes. I was thinking, whom have I downloaded in the past year?

    Cook (!)
    Daughtry
    Both of Gavin DeGraw’s albums (latest one, Free, is amazing)
    Green Day
    Muse (this one and last)
    New Moon Soundtrack
    Kelly Clarkson
    Lady GaGa
    Adele
    Jason Mraz
    Adam and Kris
    Ferras (highly recommended, one of Aimee Mayo’s writing buddies, but known for his own work)
    Robin Thicke
    Eli Young Band (recommendation of Brian Mansfield)

    Rather diverse, I think, but not as much as I’d like.

  455. If you are a singer, you should be able to sing. Ya know?

    hello! :) i’m old skool, and proud of it, in this regard… not impressed with flash, and booty shakin’, a zillion back up dancers, light shows, smoke machines and all the hoo hah… ya gots to bring it with da voice, hahah.. and you don’t have to be a technically ”good” singer either – janis joplin is an all time fave… behind the wailing that is her signature, i’ve heard some early stuff of hers that proves that woman could really s i n g… she had a foundation of real singing talent and ability there that gets lost in the more recognizable ”janis sound”…

  456. Let’s have a vote on Adam’s Boca Raton tweets (whether true or not): Would you rather see him nude on jet skis or deshabille on a massage table?

    YES!

  457. I just went to DC’s official youtube channel to watch the CBTM video, cuz it’s been a while, and it won’t play.

    I watched it last night and it was ok.

  458. People keep saying how female winners tend to do better, and I really think male winners are negatively received by the AI stigma way more.

    Maybe because female solo artists do better overall than male. Just look at the pop and pop/rock and rock charts. It’s not as easy for those solo white guys to break into those charts, and females are everywhere. I don’t think it’s just AI stigma, it’s how mainstream music seems to work.
    There’s also a thing called rock cred that you don’t hear about pop. To be considered a real rocker apparently one has to respect 1000 different rules, to be considered a pop singer you just really have to sing a pop song. I realize some talk about Adam as a rock singer, but for the most part he’s expected to put out pop(pop/dance) music, I don’t think anyone’s expecting him to be played in the rock charts, so the rock cred thing is not even being questioned, cause there isn’t that expectation. And there was with DCook, hence the many “will he?”, “won’t he?”.

    ETA:

    but David and Archie definitely had more buzz than Kris and certainly more than Allison.

    Yes, they did. I don’t think Allison has any buzz whatsoever. And I think it’s nice Jim and the Yahoo reporter support Kris, but I don’t see much besides that right now.

  459. I don’t think anything last year can top the Adam buzz, but David and Archie definitely had more buzz than Kris and certainly more than Allison. I think people have forgotten what things were like with those two after the show ended, DC and the Billboard Hot 100 record being broken, when Crush came out and broke huge, TOML ending up being used on the Olympics, both Davids were all over these “breakout star” lists and had a ton of press, when the year end charts came out they were both very prominent on them.

    Makes me wonder what DC’s reception would’ve been had he lost to Archie?

    I’ve thought about it too, but at the same time when you really look at the whole picture over the years winners normally do better than the runner-up except for those rare Daughtry/Clay cases and I’m sure Adam this year. They’re the exception, not the rule. I don’t believe Adam is getting the kind of stuff he is simply because he lost but rather the media just finds him interesting. IMO DC’s biggest problem was not being the Idol winner, but his first foray into radio being magic freaking rainbow.

    eta: oh shiz! Ty talking to him!
    http://twitpic.com/mypqf

  460. ggdoorsfan
    October 25, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    Your comment just totally related to why AI is so good. We have had 80 finalists to root for over the last 8 years. Something for everybody…whether winners or runner-ups. As a fan, what more could you want. You have guys, girls, black, white, hispanic, divas, r&b, country, theater, drama, beat boxers, rockers, rocker chicks. You have great voices, good voices, mediocre voices. You have sing at the mic don’t move idols, and big bombastic all over the stage idols and you have sing in church gospel belters. You have guitar players and keyboard players. Something for everyone. So nobody should be complaining.

  461. Aww, sma11ie, your post moved me. I wouldn’t take DC’s winning moment away for the world either, plus it’s impossible to know how things would’ve shaped up differently had he lost. I still think winning is always the best bet, since every other variable is so unknown during the competition. As for S8, I don’t think Adam would’ve gotten any less publicity had he won, though I can’t see how he could possibly get more. Hm.

    IMO DC’s biggest problem was not being the Idol winner, but his first foray into radio being magic freaking rainbow.

    IMO his biggest problem was that RCA chose the absolute worst possible singles in LO and CBTM. Well, bygones I guess.

  462. IMO DC’s biggest problem was not being the Idol winner, but his first foray into radio being magic freaking rainbow.

    Hmm, those two things are kind of inextricably tied, though, no, since Magic Rainbow was the coronation song? Hee.

    But yes, I get the rest of what you’re saying. What I mean is not that Adam’s getting all this promo because he didn’t win– I’m saying he may be getting slightly better media reception partially due to not winning. I was also saying the fact that he’s getting all this promo despite not winning– maybe DC would’ve gotten all the promo he got last year if he lost as well. Anyway, who knows. Just speculating. Most of me still believes winning is the best bet for success, 99.5% of the time.

  463. Just came back from a seminar on Industrial Archaeology in New York – were Cook and Pennington there? Hard to tell when everyone wears a hard hat and mine kept slipping down on my nose.

  464. Maybe I was the only one, but I said from the night before the finale that I really thought it would be best for Adam if he did not win. Adam doesn’t need the “AI Winner” status and in fact I think it can be a stigma for a guy. Not being a real AI groupie, I got hooked when I saw Adam. I am not the only one who felt the pull from his performances and voice. All of the contestants this year were going to be overshadowed by Adam. Kinda like “Why did I have to pick THIS effing year to be in the top 10” would have been what I was thinking if I had been in their shoes. As far as Kris goes, he is a really neat, nice guy; however, he was plucked from the obscurity of a very small town, in a very conservative, religious lifestyle, he’s only 23 or so, and he has not had an overnight personality change. He has never been really agressive or assertive in his interviews and frankly, you can’t really blame him for feeling a bit, maybe embarassed, because he just doesn’t have what it takes to get the hype. At least not right now. Maybe it will happen after the album drops.

    Sunchick, you were quite eloquent in your post and I agree.

  465. Interesting question about musical tastes. I was thinking, whom have I downloaded in the past year?

    I like that question. It made me go check my I-Tunes. Hmm, seems a little bit idol heavy. Oh, well.

    David Cook (Of course)
    David Archulet (Obviously)
    Diane Birch
    Creedence Clearwater Revival
    Green River Ordinance
    Mat Kearney
    Benton Paul
    Adam Lambert
    Brooke White
    Coldplay
    Chris Cornell
    Carrie Underwood
    Collective Soul
    Gavin De Graw
    NeedToBreathe
    Crash Kings
    Eric Hutchinson
    MWK
    Michael Buble’
    Faith Hill
    Jason Mraz
    The Eagles
    To Have Heroes

    After making this list I realize that I haven’t bought anything of Kris, yet he was the one that got my votes this year. I guess I’ll have to do something about that. :)

    ETA:

    eta: oh shiz! Ty talking to him!
    http://twitpic.com/mypqf

    Can you imagine the conversation between those two? Had to be hilariously funny.

  466. IMO his biggest problem was that RCA chose the absolute worst possible singles in LO and CBTM. JMHO of course.

    Don’t say that over on his official site, you’ll have your hat handed to you….

    Maybe they should have asked Carrie Underwood which song of his she preferred, because then they would’ve gotten it right. They certainly didn’t listen to David Cook.

  467. Hmm, those two things are kind of inextricably tied, though, no? Hee.

    This year I’d say yes but in most (normal circumstances) the winners song goes bye-bye pretty fast and is forgotten by the time real music comes out, not end up #1 for 15 weeks LOL That damn song ended up being the thing that wouldn’t die.

    Sassycatz don’t be so smart now! Carrie >>>>> RCA.

  468. Tess
    October 25, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    there is a perception in a lot of ”too cool for school” pseudo critics in the media and on the web that the ”average” idol viewer is more a fan of the show, and the personalities on the show, than of music… for me, for you, for me – i consider myself to be a music lover – of all genres, all styles, all my life, so when american idol came on the air in 2002, it attracted me because i simply enjoy listening to those i consider to be good singers… you don’t have to be famous, sell a gazillion records, or be all that good looking to entertain me, or make me pay attention to you if there is something vocally i find appealing to my ears… there has been some darn fine singers come from the idol stage, and i could care less if they ever get commercial or critical acclaim or recognition… i have another good singer to add to my collection…

  469. Kris makes it sound as if Adam is only in the spotlight because he’s controversial ‘ ¦ no, he’s in the spotlight because he has charisma, talent, and star power.

    But he hasn’t really done anything to prove his staying power yet. Most of his press has been about his openly gay lifestyle and controversial photoshoots and stuff. That’s all I hear about regarding Adam in the media. I think Kris is just saying he’s fine with Adam getting more attention than him, that’s all. Adam will have to work just as hard to prove himself a legitimate contender in the music industry just like anyone coming off that show. There are no guarantees for anyone.

  470. Where’re my pics, people?

    Who sings the song on the “Bad Romance” vid?

    Thanking you, again, in advance, oh, knowledgeable ones.

  471. In contrast, Adam may not have as large a fanbase as DC (he didn’t win, and was much more polarizing), and as such, may not have DC’s opening album numbers, BUT he may be poised to do better in the mainstream after the first week sales. Adam seems to have a lot more industry folks in his corner already, before people have even heard his stuff. He has ‘it’  people like Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, actresses like Christina Applegate, etc., all proclaiming to be fans. And add to the fact that he didn’t win, it’s like, because ‘America’  didn’t vote for him, because he’s too out there for the masses, music critics feel like they can get behind Adam without feeling like they’re getting behind an ‘American Idol’ . Adams seems to be in a GREAT position for post-AI success as long as his music doesn’t severely disappoint.

    Interesting… but Adam also has other thing that make industry and music critics stand behind him.. .. his crazy talent and his amazing vocal range that excite a lot of producers that work with him

  472. Was that the one on Oprah’s site where they also asked questions about why they were your favorite or something like that? I vaguely remember seeing a link to something that required more effort that simply clicking a button ‘” hence my lack of participation. I am a lazy Adam fan.

    Yes that was the one. I got the link from AO. Like I said it wasn’t a list of names that you could go in and mass vote for hours. You had to write a email and answer the questions they wanted answered. I know a couple of people on AO got tickets for the show. So no, we did not spam the results.

  473. IMO his biggest problem was that RCA chose the absolute worst possible singles in LO and CBTM. JMHO of course.

    Out of curiosity, what do you think would’ve been a better first single than LO? I listened to it and I liked it; it’s catchy and radio friendly. And it went platinum, right?

  474. I’m actually more about the song than the voice. I listen to people who don’t sing all that well if they write great songs. I don’t necessarily need an amazing song to be sung by an amazing voice. It isn’t a bad thing, but it isn’t necessary for my enjoyment. Bob Dylan is a prime example. So is John Prine. Then there’s voices I just can’t get enough of. David Cook is a prime example. So is Grayson Capps.

    I so agree that RCA chose horribly for DC’s singles. In my movie, Declaration or Heroes would have been first followed by Lie then which ever one they didn’t choose first.

  475. Hmmm…Adam has mad crazy skills and can do amazing things with his voice. IMO (and yes, please let it be OK that I have an opinion) Adam’s persona and acting skills are what he has going for him. He does not have the best voice and range of the idols.

  476. Got my “Details” today – courtesy of a family member from New York who who delivered it in a sealed brown envelope with my name on it. Down in PG MD you’d be lucky if it got here by Christmas. What’s the topic on this thread? Forgot what it was.

    Not sure it really matters.

  477. Yes that was the one. I got the link from AO. Like I said it wasn’t a list of names that you could go in and mass vote for hours. You had to write a email and answer the questions they wanted answered. I know a couple of people on AO got tickets for the show. So no, we did not spam the results.

    I think that link already has Adam’s name on it.. meaning that Oprah already decided to pick Adam as favorite.. that link was an invitation if we the fans wanted to come on Oprah to see Adam interview. I did it and I have to pick which date I want to come.. I didn’t think it’s going to happen that soon so I pick January date… because Oprah & Adam’s birthday 1/28… well hopefully that’s the time when she invites Adam back to her show and sing on their birthday

  478. LO is not the greatest song on the album, but it’s also far from the worst. I would take that song ANY day over Heroes or IDIFY (meh). People seem to conflate the initial Idol blogger reports being unfavorable with overall reception; a lot of the album reviews picked up on LO.

    Now, I think CBTM is horrible, but a friend who was a PD said it was tailor-made to hit big on HAC, which it did. (She also said it was too boring to get any traction on CHR, which was also true, and so I’m still perplexed by that decision.)

    To be perfectly honest, the only track that I would have thrown money behind to smash on CHR was Breathe Tonight, and that was a bonus track. Lie could have done well in its wake, but I think it needed an opening.

  479. Cook’s problem is the lack of Top 40 hits has made him a bit invisible.
    But I still think the S7 Davids combined had way more buzz than Adam and Kris this year. Plus aside from Danny, I don’t think anyone else from S8 is even on most people’s radar. And that’s only a few months since the tour ended.

    I’m not overwhelmed by any of the songs I heard from Kris today. Sorry.

  480. This may have already been answered; but somewhere back up the thread, someone was trying to remember the interview where Kris kept using the word “appeal”. I don’t know how to link, but the interview that I think you were looking for is on Youtube entitled “Funny US Magazine interview with Adam Lambert and Kris Allen”. It was the one where Adam blurted out “I like the top” when asked about the tour bus bunks. I think this is the interview in question.

  481. I guess none of this matters cuz it’s ancient history, and my sappy side would never want to take away that winning moment from DC, because it was the most beautiful TV moment ever.

    That was a beautiful moment. I felt DC deserved it and at the same time, I knew Archie would be ok too. All was well post AI finale. Everytime I heard the Magic Rainbow, I could think of that moment.

    This year, there wasn’t that feel good moment, and it wasn’t because my fav didn’t win. Heck I wanted Blake to win over Jordin, but when he lost, it was, eh, that’s the way the cookie crumbles. So why did it feel weird this year? Adam is such a dominant personality and Kris is so quiet. I think if Allison would have won, there wouldn’t be this talk of the runner up overshadowing the winner. I know it was commented on this blog, even by me, that there was a concern that Kris would be overshadowed by Adam. You didn’t have to be a rocket scientist to see it coming. And now, here we are reading about it in the Miami Herald.

    ETA-I agree JPFAN, I think combined, the Davids had more buzz than Adam and Kris combined.

  482. Out of curiosity, what do you think would’ve been a better first single than LO? I listened to it and I liked it; it’s catchy and radio friendly. And it went platinum, right?

    It did go Platinum, but IMHO Declaration would’ve been a better choice for a leading single, both thematically and creatively. It’s simply a better representation of DC’s artistic voice (well, obviously, since he wrote it). Of course you can never know if it would’ve done better or not, it’s all subjective and YMMV etc.

    As for CBTM, I think pretty much every single song on the album is stronger (OK, everything except IDIFY). I guess I would’ve liked to see a song written by DC get the chance to reach the masses, since it was his songs that made me a fan to begin with (thanks to Analog Heart leaking early in his Idol run).

  483. Hmmm’ ¦Adam has mad crazy skills and can do amazing things with his voice. IMO (and yes, please let it be OK that I have an opinion) Adam’s persona and acting skills are what he has going for him. He does not have the best voice and range of the idols.

    None of the idols has his range… DDD said his range close to 4 octaves and now based on Cavallo’s Yahoo interview, his vocal range is 4 octaves and few steps. AI producer, Ken Warwick, on USA Today’s interview said Adam has crazy vocal range and they never have contestants in AI with adam’s vocal range..

  484. For fans of DC who miss Terry the blue light tech.

    From twitter– this made me LOL:
    i never thought i’d see @thedavidcook and terry in the same place! my mind is blown. http://bit.ly/39yQpB

    DC and the Anthemic need to get another Pork Beans together already. It’s been ages since The Ficus Flows Between Us…

    Out of curiosity, what do you think would’ve been a better first single than LO? I listened to it and I liked it; it’s catchy and radio friendly. And it went platinum, right?

    Mainstream hit singles these days hit double platinum, easily, triple if they’re huge. Platinum means it was a moderate hit. Also, it peaked at #20 on Pop radio, which is also a sign that it was just a moderate hit. But there are many schools of thought on what would’ve been a better lead-off single. It’s pretty subjective, but I’ll just say that I always thought Declaration for something upbeat or maybe Life on the Moon for mid-tempo but tons of other people will disagree. He cowote both those songs, and they had messages he could talk about during radio interviews and promos much more honestly, I think, which could’ve helped people get behind him as a “real artist”, IMO. (For LO, he kept having to say that it was a rock history lesson in 4 minutes, and that it was a universal message of love amidst distance, which is fine to say to help promote a song, but doesn’t sell DC as anything more than artist singing others’ material. That may not have mattered, but it’s just one little theory of mine which may be wrong.) And what do I know, I also always thought Breathe Tonight, the Walmart bonus track, was the most radio-friendly song on the record, but that could be just me! (ETA: Ooh, standtotheright agrees with me about BT, cool!)

  485. Ken Warwick, on USA Today’s interview said Adam has crazy vocal range and they never have contestants in AI with adam’s vocal range..

    Well then I stand corrected. So again will just use my opinion as a listener…think he is amazing in his high range…not so much in his low range.

    eta: And I am not just comparing him to winners of AI…but to all finalists. There have been some amazing voices.

  486. Izzie2
    October 25, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    I don’t know much about vocal range and I haven’t investigated any other idols but Adam can sing every note on a guitar with ease. Now I am sure that there are a lot of other people that can do this, too, but he also has amazing breath control and can sustain his notes.

    Does this make him the best singer…probably not. But it does make him pretty unique for a male pop/rock singer.

  487. I’m sure Adam this year.

    really? why do you think that? i’m genuinely curious

    just from this blog ,i think most of the dc fans last year are Ka fans or at least voted for him instead of AL…..just an observation..

  488. As for CBTM, I think pretty much every single song on the album is stronger (OK, everything except IDIFY). I guess I would’ve liked to see a song written by DC get the chance to reach the masses, since it was his songs that made me a fan to begin with (thanks to Analog Heart leaking early in his Idol run).

    Hey Jolene, nice to see you here again. I agree with you except for one thing, I also think IDIFY is also a better song than CBTM, and would have done better on the charts too. As you say it’s all subjective and unfortunately we’ll never know.

    It’s pretty subjective, but I’ll just say that I always thought Declaration for something upbeat or maybe Life on the Moon for mid-tempo but tons of other people will disagree. He cowote both those songs, and they had messages he could talk about during radio interviews and promos much more honestly, I think, which could’ve helped people get behind him as a ‘real artist’ , IMO. But I what do I know, I also always thought Breathe Tonight, the Walmart bonus track, was the most radio-friendly song on the record, but that could be just me!

    I so agree, sma11ie, with you and Jolene that Declaration would have been the best song to lead out with. And Breathe Tonight is another very radio-friendly song that should not have been a bonus song. I do think RCA dropped the ball with the singles here and wasted a real opportunity for DC. He would have had some top-40 hits already and been a stronger candidate for the Grammys too.

    It’s going to happen for him, he’s had great success but it could be and will be greater, when/if the label releases the right singles. I think the next cd will be even stronger. It’s been a great year for him (his cd dropped last November, not even a year yet) but could have/should have been even more amazing if the label hadn’t played it “safe.”

  489. just from this blog ,i think most of the dc fans last year are Ka fans or at least voted for him instead of AL’ ¦..just an observation..

    Really? I actually haven’t had that impression. On the DC boards there seems to be some support for Adam, not much mention of Kris. And from this board, I don’t get that impression either. It seems like most DC fans aren’t big fans of either, necessarily, or seem pretty evenly spread between 1) Adam 2) Allison 3) Kris 4) none of the above. In fact I think I’ve seen more Adam or Allison crossover from DC fans, but everyone’s so different, it’s impossible to say.

    Also I think many if not most DC fans probably didn’t vote this year, or at least not predominantly for Kris. I voted a few times for Allison myself.

  490. IMO his biggest problem was that RCA chose the absolute worst possible singles in LO and CBTM. JMHO of course.

    My opinion as well. Declaration, Heroes and Lie are the bigger potential hits, if you ask me. I don’t understand why the labels don’t trust the songwriting of the Idols. Listening to either Cook’s or Kris’ pre-Idol stuff, you can tell that they were both already well-developed songwriters, then add in the fact that they were cowriting with successful hitmakers, and it seems a no-brainer that some good songs would come out of it. Yes, Light On did well in the end, but, as someone else said, David was selling the song, rather than the song selling him.

  491. just from this blog ,i think most of the dc fans last year are Ka fans or at least voted for him instead of AL’ ¦..just an observation..

    DC fans go both ways, but in general I think there’s more Adam support. I liked Adam a lot more during the competition, I just don’t care about him anymore. And I think I’ll like Kris original music more. I can also imagine that some people who like DC’s music will probably like Kris pop/rock more than Adam’s pop/dance.

  492. Thanks for bringing over all the cute pics of hard-hatted David. So cute. Nice arms, though. But how come everyone else is wearing jackets? Is he contributing again to the group hug with arm porn? Loves him.

  493. Plus aside from Danny, I don’t think anyone else from S8 is even on most people’s radar. And that’s only a few months since the tour ended.

    English is not my mother tongue. Can anyone help me understand the quote above? Is it saying Danny is the only one from S8 who is on most people’s radar after the tour?

  494. I have watched Idol since day one and had no clue this board existed. As far as vocal range, Syesha Mercado seemed to have amazing control on both her upper and lower range. Jen Hudson, Elliott Yamin also come to mind. Interesting that IMO the best vocal abilities don’t necessarily win. It takes an entire package.

  495. Hate all this “humble” crap.

    Churchill – “Well he (Attlee) has a lot to be humble (modest) about.”

  496. Isn’t there some website that has the ranges for all the Idols? Did I dream that? Cuz if I did I watch too much Idol. Ha! I thought there was, though.

    It seems like most DC fans aren’t big fans of either, necessarily, or seem pretty evenly spread between 1) Adam 2) Allison 3) Kris 4) none of the above.

    I’m personally not overly invested in any of them but I like Adam, Allison, Kris, Matt & Anoop and voted for all of them when they were still on there. Then for the finale I realized with two left it was stupid to vote for both since it canceled out so I didn’t vote, lol :) . I guess that’s the benefit of not having tunnel vision for one guy!

  497. BeckyMD
    October 25, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    Plus aside from Danny, I don’t think anyone else from S8 is even on most people’s radar. And that’s only a few months since the tour ended.

    English is not my mother tongue. Can anyone help me understand the quote above? Is it saying Danny is the only one from S8 who is on most people’s radar?

    That’s what it sounds like, confusing as that may be. Will be interested in the response to your question.

  498. If it’s all about range, IdolRanges has Adam and Daughtry together at the top of the heap. To me the tone is just as important though, and there are other Idols (plural) whose tone I prefer to Adam’s (and Daughtry’s, for that matter).

    Interesting that IMO the best vocal abilities don’t necessarily win. It takes an entire package

    ITA.

  499. I wonder who will get the big holiday gigs? Last year Archie got the Macy’s parade, DC got the Rockefeller lighting, and DC got the Fox New Years Eve special (not the Dick Clark/Ryan Seacrest biggie).

    Also I think many if not most DC fans probably didn’t vote this year, or at least not predominantly for Kris.

    I voted for Matt a couple times because I believed in him and he was always struggling, but that was it. I thought maybe I would be compelled to vote for Top 2 night, but I wasn’t. I liked Kris’ performances more (his redo of Ain’t No Sunshine was probably my favorite performances of the whole season, while Mad World didn’t measure up, IMO), but I felt like Adam should win, so I didn’t vote either way. And yeah, when Kris won, it just felt weird. Anyway, I think oceana has the a pretty accurate assessment– I don’t necessarily think most DC fans are Kris fans.

    DC fans go both ways

    Heh… are you saying we’re going to have our own “controversial” (or not) Details photoshoots? J/K of course.

  500. As far as vocal range, Syesha Mercado seemed to have amazing control on both her upper and lower range. Jen Hudson, Elliott Yamin also come to mind. Interesting that IMO the best vocal abilities don’t necessarily win. It takes an entire package.

    You forgot about Melinda Doolittle. And yes, the best vocal abilities don’t always win. If that was the case, Adam would have beaten Kris this year.

  501. There is an Idolranges website. It doesn’t appear to take into consideration falsetto/head voice, and only covers solo performances on the show… but it is pretty interesting. I’m looking at it now but Adam is definitely up there, trying to find if anyone has more than a 16 1/2 step range.

    ETA: Jolene, ya beat me to it. I thought I remembered Daughtry being up there too which for some reason surprised me!

  502. Yes, Light On did well in the end, but, as someone else said, David was selling the song, rather than the song selling him.

    Yeah, and it seemed a challenging song technically for him to have to sing for his first major single. He acknowledged such during the recording process.

    For Come Back To Me, the video probably helped sell that song — to those who saw the video. He is gorgeous in it. But the lyrics, ugh. “When you find you…” Not Cook lyrics.

    For someone who is a songwriter, he deserved a single that he wrote/co-wrote.

    I’m hopeful that the next album will have some nice twists and turns especially since they have more time to work on this one.

  503. Yamin was great (bought his CD) – but simply not in Lambert’s class. And, yes, it’s true, it’s the entire package. Lambert also has physical grace in dance, handsome face, and (as Randy said) – charisma. You can have a great voice, but if your audience doesn’t get it, it simply doesn’t matter. That’s why Lambert’s so great – he wants to entertain and will take you along with him. Can’t be learned – it’s a gift.

  504. DC got the Fox New Years Eve special (not the Dick Clark/Ryan Seacrest biggie).

    That was a HORRIBLE, amateur special. Cook deserved so much better.

  505. Lovin Cookie rocking the short dark hair. And what a cool gig for him, it looks like he’s having a blast.

    sunchick:

    I really only have Cookie’s post AI blitz to refer to since I missed the Daughtry/Carrie era, so maybe I’m completely full of crap, but for me (for you) there’s a slight difference between Cook’s post show buzz and Adam’s post show buzz. Cookie got a lot of press and was generally well liked, yet there was always a ‘buuuuut’  kinda thing. Or an asterisk, or something. There was stuff along the lines of ‘Can Cook overcome the AI stigma? Does radio need another Daughtry *rolls eyes at that one*? Will rock radio ever accept an AI winner?

    Also a relative newbie with Season 7, and ITA with this comment, I get pretty much the exact same impression. Even on the show, Dave was talked about as “an artist who could sell records”, while Adam was talked about as an “international star”. My guess is that TPTB see Dave as a musician, and Adam as a singer/performer/personality capable of cutting a wider swath, but who knows.

    Count me among those disappointed it looks like we won’t be getting a Cook penned single. I’m sure RCA test marketed the crap out of the tracks on the record and truely picked the ones they thought would sell, but CBTM has to be the most generic, throw away song on the entire album. Not bad, but also not memorable. But then I tend to like Dave’s songs precisely because they aren’t the simple, catchy tunes that seem to be what the radio market wants. It will be interesting to see where they go with DCTR2.

  506. Ranges from Idolranges.com :
    Adam and Chris Daughtry- 16.5 steps
    Syesha- 14.5 steps
    Elliott- 12.5 step
    Anwar Robinson- 15 steps (from Season 4)
    David Cook and Mandisa Hundley – 14 steps
    Kelly Clarkson- 12 steps
    Kris Allen- 11.5 steps

    They are still working on Season 3, so I don’t know what JHud’s or Fantasia’s are. Some seasons had 12.5 steps as the highest range for any finalist, including the winner. It’s nice to have a big range, but it’s not everything.

  507. DC got the Fox New Years Eve special (not the Dick Clark/Ryan Seacrest biggie).

    That was a HORRIBLE, amateur special. Cook deserved so much better.

    Yep, it was unbearable. I felt dirty watching it. HORRIBLE. It pained me to watch that crap to see David, lol. But watch it I did… the things I do for that guy.

  508. music (songs) I’ve downloaded this year include …

    David Cook, Daughtry, Kelly Clarkson, Carrie, Kellie Pickler, Taylor Hicks
    kings of leon
    U2
    Green Day
    Nickelback
    Pearl Jam
    Taylor Swift
    Fleet Foxes
    The Fray
    Adele
    Matt Nathanson
    The Script
    Killers
    Coldplay
    Lifeboat
    Death Cab for Cutie
    Indigo Girls
    Train
    Our Lady Peace
    Collective Soul
    Sting
    Paul McCartney
    Joan Armatrading
    the All American Rejects
    Miley Cyrus
    Linkin Park
    Katy Perry
    Shinedown
    Dave Matthews
    Pink

    I could go on but I’m not at my pc and anyway it’s too long. Are we just talking cds, or singles too? Because my cd list would be shorter than the songs list of course.

  509. That was a HORRIBLE, amateur special. Cook deserved so much better.

    To take it a step further, any idol deserved better than that! No wonder it did so poorly in the ratings.

  510. tierbee
    October 25, 2009 at 10:26 pm
    There is an Idolranges website. It doesn’t appear to take into consideration falsetto/head voice, and only covers solo performances on the show’ ¦ but it is pretty interesting. I’m looking at it now but Adam is definitely up there, trying to find if anyone has more than a 16 1/2 step range.

    ETA: Jolene, ya beat me to it. I thought I remembered Daughtry being up there too which for some reason surprised me!

    Adam’s range was confirmed to be well over 4 octaves by Rob Cavallo and 2 of his vocal coaches — Idol Ranges only records what is done on live Idol performance. The current guess on the expert sites that rank vocalist is that Adam may have a vocal range of over 5 octaves.

  511. Amateur or not I’d bet anything the Fox New Years show will be a 19 love fest like it is every year. It normally has the current Idols 19 manages. Daughtry appeared his year, the following year Jordin and Blake, and last year DC so this year probably either Kris/Adam or just one of them.

    Re: EMHE, are we thinking he’ll have to still do stuff tomorrow? His last tweet mentioned being finished for the night and the reveal is Tuesday, and I think tomorrow is something with a lot of the media..?

  512. Amateur or not I’d bet anything the Fox New Years show will be a 19 love fest like it is every year.

    I did not know that. That was the first year I watched it, thought it was new for Fox — how else to account for how awful (except for Cookie) it was? Man, the Underwood Christmas special isn’t going to be anything horrible like that, is it?

  513. just from this blog ,i think most of the dc fans last year are Ka fans or at least voted for him instead of AL’ ¦..just an observation..

    I’m a DC fan … you may have noticed. And I started out really supporting Allison — and still do — but Kris grew on me. In the finale, I voted all four hours for Kris. To me, he carried on the tradition of Cook and Daughtry and Bice. Genuinely, all the about the music. They must be doing something right since they won two years in a row now.

    As for what Cook songs would have done better …. hmm, let me think…. ALL OF THEM. But, I’d say “Lie,” “Avalanche” and “Kiss on the Neck” are my favorites. Honorable mention to “Permanent.” He also has some pre-Idol work that are hidden gems. I specifically love “The Finish Line” from Axium’s “The Story Thus Far.” I love what Cook has done with “I Did It For You” on tour. Live. The song’s wonderful … as is almost every one of his songs live. The man is a master at the live performance. No wonder he’s rated so highly on tour tracker.

    What he has to do is translate that live performance to the CD which means getting rid of the producer/polisher. They (the producer and label) are taking the raw Cookie dough out of Cook. I am almost inclined to think he needs to get rid of RCA. They are not serving him well.

  514. Nice voices, good voices, great voices – all doesn’t matter if you don’t have “IT” – can’t define it, but you know it when you see it.

  515. The current guess on the expert sites that rank vocalist is that Adam may have a vocal range of over 5 octaves.

    And yet I like only the one octave that makes up his lower register. It’s not just the range, it’s how you use it. For me, both David Cook and Kris Allen have better tone, emotion, and phrasing, which showcases their overall musicality. I couldn’t care less about screechy runs.

  516. Miley Cyrus

    really?

    lol,i should stop judging other people’s playlists .hell,half of mine is Adam.i accidentally made my friend delete her nickleback….

  517. Got my ‘Details’  today ‘“ courtesy of a family member from New York who who delivered it in a sealed brown envelope

    Sealed brown envelope? I was looking at the pic’s on line in Trader Joe’s.

  518. i accidentally made my friend delete her nickleback’ ¦.

    You did her a favor, luv. :) She’ll realize that one day and thank you. :)

  519. Daughtry has a bigger range than Cookie. I am not even a fan and I just don’t buy that. Gonna have to go and investigate. Also if they are not counting head voice or falsetto, then Adam is being underrated.

    Range isn’t the only thing as many have noted. I think David Archuleta is one of the best singers to come off idol, and I don’t see his range listed. Certainly he had a wider range than some I see listed. Something isn’t quite right imho.

    Also I don’t get this buzz thing. As an aggregate the David’s had tons of buzz, but alone it doesn’t seem to be as big as Adam. I think when it seems the winner and runner up are more equally matched the buzz is huge. Like Clay and Ruben, Carrie and Bo, and the David’s. It’s that tandem thing that creates both buzz and those nasty comparisons we hate so much. That was alot of the buzz last year, there is imho far less of that as it really seems there is no contest as to who ruled the roost this year. Taking nothing from Kris, but between the tour, and the span after it, it does look more like Kris who? Of course he can remedy that with a kick ass cd. But for right now, it looks like all Adam all the time.

    FWIW, I think Kris is going to get the bulk of those idol perks, the parades, the fox New Years Eve show, the jingle balls etc. It just seems like a better gig for him, just like Archie did them last year. I have no idea what Adam will do, but I we shall see.

  520. See, for me, it’s Kris’s tone, especially when he’s straining for higher notes (frequent) that is off-putting for me. There’s something there I don’t even know how to define that just turns me off. I do like his personality though, and his lower register singing is fine too. I also love David Cook’s voice, and Archie’s too. That was an amazing top two in S7!

  521. Thanks for bringing the idol range chart over. So Daughtry sang a song during competition that had one of the largest vocal ranges? Interesting as I love Daughtry, but would never have guessed that. OK…let me change my whole statement about AL. LOL. I will leave vocal range out of it. There are other voices from the past 8 years that I prefer.

  522. And yet I like only the one octave that makes up his lower register. It’s not just the range, it’s how you use it. For me, both David Cook and Kris Allen have better tone, emotion, and phrasing, which showcases their overall musicality. I couldn’t care less about screechy runs.

    That is all a matter of taste. I prefer Adam. I also really like Kelly. YMMV

    But Adam has a full bari range — just a fact — and lower range is defined based on the vocalist.

  523. I am almost inclined to think he needs to get rid of RCA. They are not serving him well.

    Yeah but I’m pretty sure he can’t do that until they decide they don’t want him anymore, or until his contract ends. Record contracts aren’t exactly easy to escape from and since he’s getting another CD out of the deal I’m sure they’ll milk whatever they can out of him for at least 1 more CD and still continue to be clueless. I will say I hope another producer(s) and not Cavallo is on board for it.

    That Idol Ranges chart looks totally screwy. I can’t imagine Kris is that close to Kelly in range at all.

  524. The current guess on the expert sites that rank vocalist is that Adam may have a vocal range of over 5 octaves.

    It’s not just the range, it’s how you use it. For me, both David Cook and Kris Allen have better tone, emotion, and phrasing, which showcases their overall musicality. I couldn’t care less about screechy runs.

    Yes…absolutely. And I forgot about Melinda Dolittle. Another amazing voice.

  525. I thought I remembered Daughtry being up there too which for some reason surprised me!

    This surprised me too– I never knew Daughtry was known for a huge range, at least based on his hits and live performances post-AI (never saw his season). I checked the site- his highest note was a C#5/Db5, which is the same as DC’s highest note on the site, but his lowest note was an E2, which was lower than DC’s A2, which is what gave him the bigger range. Granted, DC’s lower range isn’t his biggest asset, because it sometimes sounds unsupported when he’s singing in his natural voice, but if you want to be technical about it, I feel that DC could’ve hit an E2 during a group performance or something if he had the chance. He could’ve used his faux-Eddie Vedder voice which he had back in Axium days, and which he may have actually used during the Ring of Fire Ford commercial that he recorded Top 4 week, where he was essentially doing a Johnny Cash vocal impersonation.

    Anyway, not sure what I’m trying to say. I guess I just wanted to talk about DC’s lower range LOL, since it was always something I wondered about. DC’s talked about how growing up, he was always good at vocal impersonations, and that it wasn’t until he got older that he realized he needed to find his own voice. Now, I love his natural voice, and love that he found it, but it was always interesting to me that in embracing his own voice, he lost the lower range he had back in the day. I mean, I guess he still has it, since he could that Johnny Cash impersonation… but it’s like he can’t use that lower range without affecting that tone, so he doesn’t…” Any singers know what the deal may be there?

    But yeah, I’m not surprised to see Adam at the top of the heap at all. He can sing CRAZY high. Was just surprised Daughtry was up there with him.

  526. See, for me, it’s Kris’s tone, especially when he’s straining for higher notes (frequent) that is off-putting for me. There’s something there I don’t even know how to define that just turns me off. I do like his personality though, and his lower register singing is fine too.

    For me, Kris sounds like struggling in high register which is not even high compared to others. Take LLWD, ‘lee~~~~ve like we’re dying’ is something I don’t want to re-visit. His lower register is fine, but not rich or distinctive enough, and coupled with the thin high register, the lower one sounds like a kid trying to sexy up awkwardly.

  527. Yeah but I’m pretty sure he can’t do that until they decide they don’t want him anymore, or until his contract ends. Record contracts aren’t exactly easy to escape from and since he’s getting another CD out of the deal I’m sure they’ll milk whatever they can out of him for at least 1 more CD and still continue to be clueless. I will say I hope another producer(s) and not Cavallo is on board for it.

    The moment he legally can, Cook should get out of that contract. He has to sign with a label — even if it’s indie — that will let him make the decisions because, clearly, he is better at it than the industry “experts” are. Just ask his audiences, including non rabid fans.

    If he stays with RCA, he should set himself up for one “controversy” after another so that he can end up on magazine covers and gossip shows because that’s the only way he’ll get any “cred” from the entertainment industry.

    Yes’ ¦absolutely. And I forgot about Melinda Dolittle. Another amazing voice.

    I think she’s the best voice that ever came out of Idol, hands down.

  528. If you had to rank the winners and runners up from s7 and s8 in regards to buzz, I would rank them as follows.

    1) Adam
    2) Cook
    3) Archie
    4) Kris

  529. I think David Archuleta is one of the best singers to come off idol, and I don’t see his range listed.

    He’s listed as having 12 ½ steps, FWIW. I agree that site is probably not the most reliable source. Daughtry doesn’t scream “range” to me. IDK.

    I am almost inclined to think he needs to get rid of RCA. They are not serving him well.

    Umm… while IMHO RCA dropped the ball on single choice, following Indie Idols such as Elliott, MJ and Brooke has taught me the great value of having a strong backing from a major label, even at the cost of some artistic compromise. When it comes to having decent distribution and a solid radio push, there’s simply no comparison.

  530. Really?

    Yeah one song, The Climb, I like it. I buy a lot of songs all the time from a lot of different people. You would actually judge people’s playlists if they bought one song you didn’t approve of? LOL.

    Umm’ ¦ while IMHO RCA dropped the ball on single choice, following Indie Idols such as Elliott, MJ and Brooke has taught me the great value of having a strong backing from a major label, even at the cost of some artistic compromise.

    I agree, dropping a major label is not the answer. Hopefully they’ll take him in a slightly different direction with the next cd. But dropping them (even if he could) would be drastic and sounds scary.

  531. Idolranges doesn’t give the range including head voices for every season. And, as Q3 pointed out, it’s only based on their Idol performances, but I think that most people who make it to the top 4 or 5 have done enough performances to have shown their full range.

    Ranges with Falsetto included for seasons 2, 4, 7, 8:

    Anwar Robinson – 15 steps
    Kimberley Locke – 17 steps
    Clay Aiken – 14 ½ steps
    Kimberly Caldwell and Ruben Studdard – 14 steps
    Scott Savol – 14 steps
    Bo Bice and Nikko Smith – 13 ½ steps
    Carrie Underwood- 12 steps
    Syesha Mercado – 17 ½ steps
    Chikezie Eze – 16 ½ steps
    Michael Johns – 15 ½ steps
    David Archuleta and David Cook – 14 steps
    Jason Castro – 13 ½ steps
    Adam Lambert – 16 ½ steps
    Danny Gokey – 15 ½ steps
    Matt Giraud – 15 steps
    Scott MacIntyre – 14 ½ steps
    Alexis Grace and Lil Rounds – 13 ½ steps
    Anoop Desai, Jasmine Murray, and Kris Allen – 12 steps
    Allison Iraheta and Megan Corkrey – 11 ½ steps

    ETA: Without taking head voices into account, Melinda Doolittle and Jordin are listed at 12.5 steps. Blake Lewis= 10 steps.

    They give the highest and lowest notes sung by each contestant for the seasons other than 3, so someone else could figure out the full ranges if they want to be ambitious.

  532. undercooked
    October 25, 2009 at 10:59 pm
    If you had to rank the winners and runners up from s7 and s8 in regards to buzz, I would rank them as follows.

    1) Adam
    2) Cook
    3) Archie
    4) Kris

    That happens to match the social media measurement stats and Google Trends. So I agree.

  533. lol haipydaisy:) yknow I was about to
    post i feel bad about it,but have an odd feeling the world is a better place;)

    ita undercooked

    sidewalkstory YES!!! to that post.Adam.does.not.screechy.

    goodnight!!!:)

    he could be the worst singer ever,fat,ugly,bad skin I don’t care but he’s .not.screechy.

  534. I am more than disappointed with the choice of singles from DC’s CD. However…it seems that everywhere I go anymore (restaurants, XM radio, Macy’s) I am constantly hearing one of his three songs. So the fact remains that these songs are not my first choice, but they are being heard by alot of ears.

    And on that note…have yet to hear KA’s new single.

  535. If you had to rank the winners and runners up from s7 and s8 in regards to buzz, I would rank them as follows.

    1) Adam
    2) Cook
    3) Archie
    4) Kris

    Pretty much.

    I think Melinda is hands down the best singer to come off idol. Goes to show, it’s just not the voice.

    I often blanch when I hear fans talking about someone leaving one record company or another. As though the fans know better than the professionals. In this day and age, if you have a contract, you better be fighting your ass off to keep it. Who is to say he will have any more control elsewhere. Or any more success. Aiken’s fans thought he would do better when he got rid of 19 as his manager. Di