David Cook working in the Studio with Claude Kelly

Claude Kelly is in the studio with David Cook RIGHT NOW. Kelly tweeted (@claudekelly):

Where are all the David Cook fans? im in the studio with the incredible @thedavidcook now! Rockin the f&*k out!

yo!!! @thedavidcook is killing it behind the mic! Geez. HUGE voice! sweet Jehozzefat!

Song #2! @thedavidcook is burning it up! goosebumps…stay tuned

sorry, i cant give a sneak peak. would ruin the surprise. patience it’ll b worth the wait :) RT @sunshine_ftw so… sneak peek? Pretty pla?

David tweeted back, “everyone check out @ClaudeKelly> Rad dude. yep, I said it. RAD. DUDE. ”

Kelly is mostly known for working with pop artists like Christina Aguilara, Britney Spears (“Circus”), Kelly Clarkson (“Since U Been Gone” and “My Life Would Suck Without You”) and recently, Adam Lambert (“For Your Entertainment”).

Kelly’s recent hit is “Party in the USA” for Miley Cyrus. So, I’m curious to see what kind of work Kelly produces with Cook, the rocker.

Kelly recently tweeted from a session with Season 3 Idol winner, Fantasia.   Her album is set to be released March 2010. David’s album is scheduled for   some time next year.

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  1. New Tweet from Claude Kelly

    Song #2! @thedavidcook is burning it up! goosebumps…stay tuned

    He is killing me with all these teasers.

  2. Yeah this is very interesting. But I like to see what artists from different genres can do together. And well I loved the more bluesy things David did on idol like Billie Jean and Always Be My Baby. And his FeedYouEgo remix he did in his Axium days. Cool.

  3. IKR. I don’t know if ultimately any of the songs they demo today will end up on the record, but I think this was a great connection for DC to make in the industry.

  4. i dont mind David Cook doing something like “Paralyzer”(by Finger Eleven, i think) on his next album. it sure looks like its going to be upbeat.

  5. Finger11 Heee. I guess the engineer for the session just tweeted
    Damn right!! RT @BengineerChang: Omg this sesh is da shizzzz!!!!!

    Durn making me too excited and we might never even hear it. AHHHH

  6. I wonder if RCA is looking to get some more radio friendly stuff out. With CBTM gone recurrent, his radio presence has dropped considerably. Hot AC is looking for the next single. Perhaps a re-issue of his debut album with a couple new songs, to tide his fans over until the second album.

  7. i dont mind David Cook doing something like ‘Paralyzer’ (by Eleventh Finger, i think) on his next album. it sure looks like its going to be upbeat.

    That song is hot. Did Claude Kelly have anything to do with that? I’d be shocked if he did.

    Ironically, that’s the type of song I thought Adam would do. But DC could sing the shit out of something like that.

  8. Sounds like they are doing two songs and Claude won’t spill the beans. He has written some big hits but I don’t know about rock songs. I have not found any by him. Do you guys know of any?

  9. I don’t think he has done any rock songs, that we know of. Peeps have seen his bio and he graduated from the Brooklyn College of Music. But he has a great interview online were he really discusses his thoughts on music and his interest in not having boundaries with music.

  10. Interesting; I sounds like David will go the mulitple producer route this time. That is probably a good thing.

  11. Omg this sesh is da shizzzz!!!!!

    Allison, dat u? Trying to go undercover again? Oh snnnaaaappppzzzzzzz.

  12. Didn’t Claude write for Kelly? A kind of pop/rockish song? Maybe they are trying to create something like that for David?

  13. ClaudeKelly Damn right!! RT @BengineerChang: Omg this sesh is da shizzzz!!!!!

    Can someone translate please?!

    It’s interesting because he’s been saying even up until very recently he wasn’t hitting the studio until February/March..but yay!

  14. Ohh My Goodness. This recording session is the beez kneez. Fixed and translated.

  15. Interesting; I sounds like David will go the mulitple producer route this time. That is probably a good thing.

    I don’t think that’s a good thing – and I don’t know that this is a sign that there will be multiple producers. I think and album has a better flow when there is a single producer. I like an album with a vision. Otherwise, it may seem like just a collection of singles.

  16. Peeps have seen his bio and he graduated from the Brooklyn College of Music.

    Berklee College of Music. Big difference. Heh.

  17. Interesting; I sounds like David will go the mulitple producer route this time. That is probably a good thing.

    It’s interesting because he’s been saying even up until very recently he wasn’t hitting the studio until February/March..but yay!

    Y’all, I’m pretty sure that these are just demo sessions. Remember the leaked snippets? Most of those were recorded but not finished products.

    Whatever he does this week, or at home in KC, or in LA, will be recorded to some degree. Then they’ll cut down to the best tracks and get the actual producer for the final tracks when they “go into the studio.”

    And I would honestly be surprised if Cook didn’t try to get one producer, although I am guessing it won’t be Cavallo. He likes making albums, and I think he would prefer to have as many common threads as possible tying the songs together.

  18. ClaudeKelly Damn right!! RT @BengineerChang: Omg this sesh is da shizzzz!!!!!

    Translated: Oh my God. This session is tha sh**.

  19. People really need “da shizz” translated? Guess I’m not as old as I thought. Heh.

  20. People really need ‘da shizz’  translated? Guess I’m not as old as I thought. Heh.

    LMBAO!

  21. Claude also wrote “Don’t Let Me Stop You” from Kelly latest album, very pop/rock, lots of drums and guitars.

  22. ClaudeKelly Session today was amazing. More to come :) how’s everyones day goin?

    Guess the session is over.

    Earlier Claude Kelly tweeted this:
    @thedavidcook ahhh, Fo-Co-PAJ!!!!

    So can anyone translate? Fo-Co who? Heh. Just heh.

    I love that David is expanding his musical network. And it sounds like they had a great session. And this could be part of the “surprise” that David mentioned. Who knows? It could be for DCTR2 or something else. I’m just so happy that he’s in NYC and having productive sessions, etc.

  23. …not a collaboration I would have predicted. In a million years. Huh.

    But he has a great interview online were he really discusses his thoughts on music and his interest in not having boundaries with music.

    Okay, that’s hopeful. I do think DC can sing anything — I’m just not sure he wants to. I also thought the performance of the NIN song at the last concert might signal a *very* different direction. But I’m happy to wait and see what shakes out of this.

    Berklee College of Music. Big difference. Heh.

    LOL no kidding. My brother went to Berklee. Maybe he’ll stop laughing at my love of Cook now. :-P (He’s a jazz snob.)

    ETA: standtotheright: Y’all, I’m pretty sure that these are just demo sessions.

    Ah, okay, that makes sense. I thought this was frighteningly early to be doing anything, but maybe David wanted to lay down some of the stuff he’s had rattling around from the tour.

  24. Claude also wrote ‘Don’t Let Me Stop You’  from Kelly latest album, very pop/rock, lots of drums and guitars.

    Ooh, I like that song. Hmmm… the plot thickens…

  25. also thought the performance of the NIN song at the last concert might signal a *very* different direction.

    I know numerous fans want the darker stuff. Me, not so much, so I hope the next collection can have a little something for everyone. Most of all, I hope he scores a major hit, whatever the type of song.

  26. ClaudeKelly Damn right!! RT @BengineerChang: Omg this sesh is da shizzzz!!!!!

    Can someone translate please?!

    Claude Kelly retweeted the engineer, Bengineer, saying, “Oh my God, this session is the shits!!!” In other words, it’s amazing!

    It’s interesting because he’s been saying even up until very recently he wasn’t hitting the studio until February/March..but yay!

    They may be recording demo versions now, and then the band will work out the final arrangements and record the final version when they get back together in the studio next year. I’m guessing that these are just writing and demo recording sessions, since the band isn’t there, and David has been very firm about making the album with The Anthemic.

  27. Very interesting and very cool that he’s tweeting about DC. I’m sure whatever David comes out with will be great and will be pure David Cook.

  28. This was nice to come home to after trekking through the snow to get my new puppy foster. Keep ’em coming, David!

  29. I hope the next collection can have a little something for everyone.

    Me too. I like it all — light, dark, romantic, wordy, anthemic. Heh. I know Neal’s writing is very dark, but I do love it and I think David interprets it beautifully (as does Andy, just in a very different way). I have to wonder how tangled up with RCA Neal wants to get though. My guess is, not very. So who knows who’s going to be involved on the next record. I hope the band plays on it though, no matter where the material comes from.

    Most of all, I hope he scores a major hit, whatever the type of song it may be.

    ITA. A major hit and/or a critical hit would make me happy. I don’t like him being overlooked. He’s got too much to offer and too much quality and class performance and singing-wise for that to happen.

  30. Me too. I like it all ‘” light, dark, romantic, wordy, anthemic. Heh. I know Neal’s writing is very dark, but I do love it and I think David interprets it beautifully (as does Andy, just in a very different way). I have to wonder how tangled up with RCA Neal wants to get though. My guess is, not very. So who knows who’s going to be involved on the next record. I hope the band plays on it though, no matter where the material comes from.

    Word. I love Neal’s dark writing. I figure the band will play on the new record though.

  31. I think an album has a better flow when there is a single producer. I like an album with a vision. Otherwise, it may seem like just a collection of singles.

    So much word. I don’t really care for the multi-producer approach either. I think the old school lock the band away with a producer in a studio for six months and see what kind of magic happens method tends to produce much more interesting rock albums. Por ejemplo, this blurb from Billboard has me totally stoked for the new Arcade Fire record.

    Hmmm. Not sure what to say about this news. I guess it makes for good industry buzz for Cook, so that’s cool. But I have so many quesitons. Like, is this just demo work and not really indicative of much of anything? When will the Anthemic be brought into the process? Is RCA envisioning Cookie as a male Kelly, or is this about Claude Kelly exploring new musical directions? I suppose I dig Since U Been Gone almost as much as the rest of the free world, but My Life Would Suck kinda, well, sucks. (Won’t even think about Party In the USA and Circus, cuz *shivers*) I guess as long as RCA keeps Ryan Tedder far, far, farrrrr away from Cook, I will try to be cautiously optimistic about this Claude Kelly shizznit. (<<< Do I need to translate that? Hahaha.)

    He likes making albums, and I think he would prefer to have as many common threads as possible tying the songs together.

    ~Nods~ And I appreciate that about him.

  32. But I have so many quesitons.

    Those are good questions. My guess is its a demo, just of the fact that he’s doing it so early, and he just came off a long tour… I can’t imagine his voice is in recording shape. I also highly suspect he’ll be writing and recording with the band, since he seemed so set on giving them a name (and working with Neal again).

    I am wondering if this means anything about the direction he’s going in. It may not of course… we’ll probably see more when the names of more co-writers surface. But there has been speculation about just where RCA was going to try to expand him outside HAC (pop? rock? Irish clog music?) and this guy is definitely in the pop/rock side of things. Interesting.

  33. I think the old school lock the band away with a producer in a studio for six months and see what kind of magic happens method tends to produce much more interesting rock albums.

    Yes! I’m also hopeful that the new fad for bands to play a classic album all the way through in concert will mean that the pros will rediscover the beauty of a cohesive album, something the fans (well, the older ones) still know.

    The “collection of singles” approach is way too reflective of the ascendent power of producers (and writers-for-hire). That’s how the “producer as star” BS gets reinforced to the point where you can’t even hear the singers anymore, just the effects the knob twisters come up with. I am all for going back to the old way, where the artists I love are the driving force and center of gravity of the product they put out.

    He likes making albums

    And I appreciate that about him.

    Ditto!

  34. Interesting…

    Not what I expected, but interesting.

    Love the positive buzz from the tweets and will be….interested (yes that’s the word) to see what results.

  35. For all of the MWK fans, Andy just tweeted this:

    @andyskib Finalizing song list for MWK rehearsals…HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS?!?

    I asked for One True Thing, Killing More Than Time, and an internet live feed of the show, instead of just a cellcast. Feels like a Christmas list, LOL.

  36. @andyskib Finalizing song list for MWK rehearsals’ ¦HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS?!?

    Come play in DC? :)

  37. I am wondering if this means anything about the direction he’s going in.

    I assumed, based on the success of the live tour, that he would be moving more in the rock direction. Although I’m pretty intrigued by the Irish Clog Music suggestion. Two words: Celtic metal. :D Heeee.

  38. Although I’m pretty intrigued by the Irish Clog Music suggestion. Two words: Celtic metal.

    OMG, Sunchick, I think my brain might explode. Will Neal be playing the Celtic flute?

  39. Although I’m pretty intrigued by the Irish Clog Music suggestion. Two words: Celtic metal. :D Heeee.

    BBBWWWWAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!

    He so has to cover that song.

  40. Will Neal be playing the Celtic flute?

    I would not be surprised if Neal could learn how to play the Celtic flute. He’s a bit of a mad, musical genius I think, lol. (And, again – adorable. Sorry, Neal).

  41. I would not be surprised if Neal could learn how to play the Celtic flute. He’s a bit of a mad, musical genius I think, lol. (And, again ‘“ adorable. Sorry, Neal).

    What about the bagpipes? He might have some experience with pipes… hehe.

  42. “Celtic flute”? Great, now you have me imagining David and the Anthemic doing Jethro Tull! “Aqualung Dave,” anybody?

  43. Celtic Metal: Wow. That was some sustained screaming. I think David should cover that song on the days that he has a cold!

    Regarding David branching out a bit. I’m OK with that, but then again, I’m not a rock purist. I’ve also never seen David as just a rocker. He’s one of the few artists who can sing anything from ballad to hard rock and do it effectively. I’m glad he doesn’t limit himself. I think “Let Go” was one of his best songs on Analog Heart, but I think “Permanent” was one of his best songs on DCTR. My complaint with DCTR was not the absence of hard rock but more the absence of the DC signature on some of the songs (especially the singles). I think he was also encouraged to simplify his lyrics in a lot of the songs in DCTR which explains quite a bit (I’m sure he said that in an interview, but I can’t remember which one). I hope he doesn’t do that on this upcoming album.

    I find it interesting that when asked about his favorite songs, he seems to be all over the map. He tends to like rock groups from the 90s, but he seems to have pretty eclectic taste when it comes to more current music. I’ve heard him mention Erin McCarley, Katy Perry, Paper Planes by M.I.A., Crash Kings, U2, Sara McLachlan, so I’m not surprised that he is open to different things.

    Regarding Claude Kelly: He has some good songs and he has some terrible songs. However, anyone who goes that apeshit over a session with David Cook, at the very least, has good taste! (Where’s that little smiley face when you need it?)

  44. This doesn’t surprise me at all. Claude is one of the “it” songwriters at the moment and he’s going to be popping up everywhere, for better or worse. A good thing about him is that he is very versatile.

    Neither one of his songs on Kelly’s album are close to being a favorite and I think FYE is horrible. I don’t believe he had anything to do with SUBG, that was just Dr. Luke and Max Martin.

  45. I’m kinda excited. Honestly, if Cookie can find the inner darkness of Mariah Carey via Chris Cornell, then somehow, someway, he can rough up Claude Kelly. Musically, that is. Hmmm, now I want David and the Anthemic to rock “My Life Would Suck Without You.” or “Circus.” Yeah, I want them to sing Circus, with choreo.

  46. I also thought the performance of the NIN song at the last concert might signal a *very* different direction.

    Well, let’s hope it’s not in the direction of that NIN song. Doesn’t suit him, doesn’t work.

  47. So can anyone translate? Fo-Co who? Heh. Just heh.

    LOL..the first thing I thought was “Fo-co who? Then WTF? I’m going to go with some inside joke play on words derived from decoupage. (They’re trying to say “fauxcoupage” but they really mean “fuckopage”).

    Hazehel..I kind of agree. The NIN song falls into that “Songs I don’t like but I like how David Cook’s voice sounds in it” category. It reminds me a bit of Anodyne but I think Anodyne is 10x better.

  48. The ‘collection of singles’  approach is way too reflective of the ascendent power of producers (and writers-for-hire).

    I’m pretty sure that it’s also reflective of the pick-and-choose nature of iTunes and similar services.

    And to whoever mentioned ‘Paralyzer’ by Finger 11. Yes, yes and yes. When I was being a good little DC fan and requesting CBTM from my local radio station, that was the only other song I would request because it’s the shizz (as they say in the parlance).

    I also thought the performance of the NIN song at the last concert might signal a *very* different direction.

    Well, let’s hope it’s not in the direction of that NIN song. Doesn’t suit him, doesn’t work.

    Wow, I couldn’t disagree with you more. I haven’t been able to get the performance out of my head since I saw it on the tubey. DC just hit that one out of the park. So much more raw and dramatic than NIN IMO. All without any bit of glory noting or anything. Just pure interpretive magic.

  49. Well, let’s hope it’s not in the direction of that NIN song. Doesn’t suit him, doesn’t work.

    Wow, I couldn’t disagree with you more. I haven’t been able to get the performance out of my head since I saw it on the tubey. DC just hit that one out of the park. So much more raw and dramatic than NIN IMO.

    I just can’t make up my mind on that song! I agree it’s definitley better then NIN. I love Cook’s lower register in that song. Yet at the same time I just don’t know if it fits him.

    Musically, that is. Hmmm, now I want David and the Anthemic to rock ‘My Life Would Suck Without You.’  or ‘Circus.’  Yeah, I want them to sing Circus, with choreo

    My secret wish is for him to cover (some of you guys will think I’m nuts) is Fall Out Boy’s “Thanks For the Memories”. I just think he could turn it on its head. Mwahahha.

  50. Wow, I couldn’t disagree with you more. I haven’t been able to get the performance out of my head since I saw it on the tubey. DC just hit that one out of the park. So much more raw and dramatic than NIN IMO. All without any bit of glory noting or anything. Just pure interpretive magic.

    I haven’t been able to get it out of my head either, and I know nothing about Nine Inch Nails. I loved that performance. Moody, edgy, no sing-soft-then-sing-loud-then-sing-soft-then-sing-loud. I downloaded it to my Ipod immediately.

  51. Interesting thing about that NIN cover is that it sounds very much like the stuff he used to write for his old band Axium. Now, his vocals have improved tremendously since Axium (when it sounded like he was copying someone else’s voice as opposed to using his own), but here’s a song that someone on DCO posted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMotfymESRM (Under Fire)

    Very similar vibe to his perf on EDIETS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMotfymESRM

    Granted, I get that the song is less accessible type of rock (less Top40, HAC whatever) than the songs on DCTR, but I think it shows off a side of him that we don’t often get to see.

  52. Keel, you accidently put the EDIETS link twice. But I looked it up, and Under Fire reminds me so much of EDIETS. I have heard alot of the Axium stuff (Feed Your Ego is my personal fav), but I hadn’t heard that one. I love that side of him.

  53. and I know nothing about Nine Inch Nails.

    Wait, wut? Sacrilege! How is such a thing even possible? Not acceptable!

    Heh. I like dark Cookie, but I don’t know about NIN dark. I just mean angsty bitter breakup Cookie, not I hate myself and all the world, kill me now Cookie.

    That said, I really think DC has some serious pop aspirations. But to me, he would do well in that alt-ish space… with some strong hooks, so he gets a pop hit or 2 out of the deal. He needs a little more edge to me. It suits him.

  54. Interesting thing about that NIN cover is that it sounds very much like the stuff he used to write for his old band Axium.

    For the record, I’ve never given a shit about Axium. I still adored the delivery.

    My secret wish is for him to cover (some of you guys will think I’m nuts) is Fall Out Boy’s ‘Thanks For the Memories’ . I just think he could turn it on its head. Mwahahha.

    I…would at least listen to that. Hmm.

  55. Heh. I like dark Cookie, but I don’t know about NIN dark. I just mean angsty bitter breakup Cookie, not I hate myself and all the world, kill me now Cookie.

    That is the best Cookie description ever. ever. period.

  56. My secret wish is for him to cover (some of you guys will think I’m nuts) is Fall Out Boy’s ‘Thanks For the Memories’ . I just think he could turn it on its head. Mwahahha.

    Oh, I love that song, but then again I really love FOB, and I’m not ashamed to admit it!

    This Claude Kelly collab is interesting. It would be very cool to see David dirty up a good pop tune a la Billie Jean or Always Be My Baby.

    And I’d love to see the next album be cohesive in theme but have a wide variety of styles on it. Personally I’d love some good angsty post-grunge Cook, a little pop-punk Cook, a few ballads and an awesome hidden track like this baby from Hurt’s latest release, Goodbye to the Machine, especially this part:

    cause we’re all gonna die
    start saying goodbye
    and the morons at labels who think they know tunes
    the army of lawyers that threaten to sue
    the hookers that blow them when I just want food
    and the asshats that download and never bought tunes
    you should die

    (Not that David could really sing those things on a big label album, but you know he’d want to!)

  57. For the record, I’ve never given a shit about Axium. I still adored the delivery.

    Wow, I thought I was the only one. I like a few Axium songs, but they never knocked me out, and I don’t think they totally suit him.

    That is the best Cookie description ever. ever. period.

    LOL! If you say so.

  58. He needs a little more edge to me. It suits him.

    He loves that edge. Do you see him when he performs it, he gets so into it. He’s a moody, dark guy underneath the Mister Nice Guy, I’m tellin’ ya.

  59. I just can’t make up my mind on that song! I agree it’s definitley better then NIN.

    I don’t think NIN did well on that song either. That song needs someone with sort of sullen with barely-repressed-aggression kind of voice. David Cook may get angsty, but he isn’t sullen, and he isn’t aggressive.

  60. Oh, I love that song, but then again I really love FOB, and I’m not ashamed to admit it!

    I guess if your not ashamed then I shouldn’t be either. I love them too!

    I like a few Axium songs, but they never knocked me out, and I don’t think they totally suit him.

    Yah they’re not everyone’s cup of tea. I didn’t know what to think at first, and now I love them!

    On another note, Cookie hasn’t twittered in 8 hours. What could he be doing? Maybe he finally found a lady…. just kidding (or am I?).

    ETA: I just said “doing” and “lady”, and didn’t realize my own pun.haha I suck.

  61. Wow, I thought I was the only one. I like a few Axium songs, but they never knocked me out, and I don’t think they totally suit him.

    Wait a minute. You don’t like “The Finish Line” from “The Story Thus Far?” What’s wrong with you?

  62. David Cook may get angsty, but he isn’t sullen, and he isn’t aggressive.

    Normally? No. After being hounded by paparazzi because he asked his “fans” to stop stalking him? Yeah, I think he could key into the emotion here.

  63. Wait a minute. You don’t like ‘The Finish Line’  from ‘The Story Thus Far?’  What’s wrong with you?

    And Wavelength? How can you not like ” I heard the gun but I never started running, I took the hit and I never saw it coming. What a way to go.” hehe (that was from memory).

    Normally? No. After being hounded by paparazzi because he asked his fans to stop stalking him? Yeah, I think he could key into the emotion here.

    I felt bad for him after the way people turned it into a big issue.

  64. an awesome hidden track like this baby from Hurt’s latest release, Goodbye to the Machine, especially this part:

    That is the funniest freaking song ever! How did I not know about this? Damn grad school! That is like the funeral song for sarcastic bastards everywhere.

    Wait a minute. You don’t like ‘The Finish Line’  from ‘The Story Thus Far?’  What’s wrong with you?

    I said I like a few of them, alright? Damn. Heh.

    I like his lyrics on a lot of those songs, but not necessarily the songs.

  65. Heh. I like dark Cookie, but I don’t know about NIN dark. I just mean angsty bitter breakup Cookie, not I hate myself and all the world, kill me now Cookie.

    Oh, I don’t know. I could do with little bit less angsty bitter breakup Cookie. I mean wasn’t that the entirety of Analog Heart? I think he does particularly well with the Neal written songs — which are more in the I Love You, Now Let’s Die (or Be Miserable) Together level of fuck-uppedness.

  66. I think he does particular well with the Neal written songs ‘” which are more in the I Love You, Now Let’s Die (or Be Miserable) Together level of fuck-uppedness.

    That is so Neal. A week or so ago he tweeted “don’t get me wrong ’cause I love life, but life has a boyfriend.” Which is a line from the song “Death for My Birthday”.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE0bRISlEjM
    Which is kind of Neal’s type of songwriting. Part of me wouldn’t be surprised if he drank a bottle of Jack Daniels and jumped off a building. lol He seems kinda miserable IDK.

  67. As I am, he could be angsty about the world generally, not just about love. (Send him a tweet about that.)

  68. I know numerous fans want the darker stuff. Me, not so much, so I hope the next collection can have a little something for everyone. Most of all, I hope he scores a major hit, whatever the type of song.

    Me too. I am excited and nervous about DCTR2 at the same. I hate that I worry too much about DC.

  69. I don’t care about dark not dark as much. I just want more swagger. Like on BBS and KOTN. I like ballads and earnest and hurt emo Cook just fine. I just didn’t get enough swagger on the first record. It was sorely missing.

  70. There’s one thing he needs to make great music. Inspiration.

    You can’t make raw, passionate, angsty, true-to-yourself music on a scheduled noon writing session with someone you don’t even know.
    That’s not how great songs come to life.

    He needs some girl he loves to smash his heart into pieces. That’ll do it.
    It worked well for another idol around the same time in her career.

  71. Oh, I don’t know. I could do with little bit less angsty bitter breakup Cookie. I mean wasn’t that the entirety of Analog Heart? I think he does particularly well with the Neal written songs ‘” which are more in the I Love You, Now Let’s Die (or Be Miserable) Together level of fuck-uppedness.

    OMG Analog Heart, was ALL about the bitter breakup. The poor girl who inspired that album must have been worried for his mental health.

    Still, I think he communicates anger well, sad longing, bittersweet feelings, stuff like that. And sarcasm… I think he does that well too. He’s like a disillusioned romantic. So either he’s in love, or he’s tormented about someone he used to love.

    Neal’s stuff works sometimes. I do like Andyone (sp?). And I love Kiss On The Neck. I just don’t know if he needs a whole album of the super duper “I’m on heroin killing myself because I’m a f-ed up human being” stuff. I don’t think he’s THAT dark, ya know?

    As a songwriter, I think Dave is a strong lyricist, especially on his earlier stuff. It was interesting, quirky, all those things I like in lyrics. I think that quirkiness got worked out of him on DCTR, but a lot of the songs (Permanent, Lie, Kiss on the Neck) were still well written. Musically, I think he has interesting ideas sometimes but doesn’t always tie it all together. I also think he writes better songs than he does singles when working alone.

    But he’s a quick study, and he worked with a lot of good people on DCTR, so I think we’ll see on this new one if he’s had a chance to progress. If the boy can master writing stronger hooks I think he’ll have something great.

    I fully expect to get heckled now. LOL!

    ETA: Garnetstar, totally with you on the swagger! A bit more attitude and fun to balance out the earnest.

  72. Man, I adore that NIN cover. Sure, I wouldn’t want an entire album of it, but then I wouldn’t want an entire album of any style or tone. Personally, though, I think he does dark very convincingly, and in varying shades from gray to midnight black.

    One of the lovely things about following an artist of his caliber is watching him experiment, learn, grow.

  73. Yeah. Spritely as long as DC is progressing then I feel good. Even if the experiment doesn’t work at least he tried something new. I was bummed when I heard DC was writing with Greg Wattenberg again. No offensive to Greg. I see he has a lot of great writing credits, I just wanted to see who else David could work with. But maybe my real problem is not that he was working with someone he did before (I won’t mind a Raine cowrite again) it was the Daughtry connection. No offense to Daughtry, but I don’t want to hear the Daughtry comparison for this next record. And I know Greg did not write on the new Daughtry album. It’s just a personal thing for me for you.

  74. Wow, I thought I was the only one. I like a few Axium songs, but they never knocked me out, and I don’t think they totally suit him.

    I absolutely love a few of the songs from Axium… I love Therapy, I love The Finish Line… I kinda likey broody Cookie. But I don’t necessary want NIN-dark Cookie. Though that EDIETS (that makes me feel guilty that I canceled my ediets subscription – but that’s an expensive way to lose weight, haha) performance… LOVE. For some reason that particular broody dark Cookie is hella sexy, lol.

    (Plus I am inordinately fond of singing Neal, hee)

  75. Me too. I am excited and nervous about DCTR2 at the same. I hate that I worry too much about DC.

    Me too! I worry about him probably more than HE worries about him. Like I don’t enough to worry about with three brothers and two kids!

  76. I was bummed when I heard DC was writing with Greg Wattenberg again.

    Yeah, but Greg Wattenberg wrote with Cook (and Johnny Rzesnick) on Declaration, my absolute favorite song on DCTR and one of my favorite songs of all time. (OF ALL TIME!! (tm Kanye)) And that song definitely has the Cook stamp all over it. So if they can conjure up the same magic again, I certainly wouldn’t mind.

  77. I absolutely FLOVED the NIN cover. It starts out so slow and quiet and brooding, so understated, then builds and builds until the end, which just blows you away. It’s got a similar vibe and build to Mr. Sensitive (but MS seems like a much happier song than EDIETS, if that’s possible!). I’ve been obsessed with it ever since I saw it. (The light show on that song rocked, too!)

  78. I absolutely FLOVED the NIN cover. It starts out so slow and quiet and brooding, so understated, then builds and builds until the end, which just blows you away. It’s got a similar vibe and build to Mr. Sensitive (but MS seems like a much happier song than EDIETS, if that’s possible!).

    k4dc . . . *hearthands*

    There are so few people that mention liking Mr. S, that I can’t help that smish you (metaphorically) for mentioning it. FLOVE MS. (Hmm, that just sounded like I heart a neurological auto-immune disorder.) It’s the perfect hard-rocking, wordy and alt-y Cook that I love.

  79. Hey I love Mr. S too! The only song I don’t particularly care for is IDIFY. Which the live version rocks so all is forgiven. Am I the only one who doesn’t mind David writing with Greg again? I’m not expecting a Declaration 2.0 or anything like that.

  80. Am I the only one who doesn’t mind David writing with Greg again?

    I don’t mind at all. Declaration is a good song, and you never know. The more the merrier!

  81. Hey I love Mr. S too! The only song I don’t particularly care for is IDIFY. Which the live version rocks so all is forgiven.

    Yes, yes, and yes. Will you please just write all my opinions for me from now on, seriously? I mean, seriously. And I don’t mind him writing with Greg, either. Declaration has never been one of my favs, but he seems to love it a lot, and it does reflect an authentic side of him, so I’ll sacrifice. :) Anyway, I’m really looking forward to his next generation of “anthems,” to see what he does with them now.

  82. Yes, yes, and yes. Will you please just write all my opinions for me from now on, seriously? I mean, seriously.

    Well if I’m writing all your opinions for you… I’d like to inform you that you’d like to marry NFT, and your favorite actor is Will Smith. Haha

    On a more serious note ANGSTY COOK FTW!!!

  83. *Hops up and down* (well, metaphorically?)… I love Mr. Sensitive, I like the angst :)

  84. Well if I’m writing all your opinions for you’ ¦ I’d like to inform you that you’d like to marry NFT, and your favorite actor is Will Smith. Haha

    Good to know, lol.

    There’s a tweet reporting that he is out on the town with Ryan Starr. Hide the children.

  85. FLOVE MS. (Hmm, that just sounded like I heart a neurological auto-immune disorder.)

    LOL!

    Mr. Sensitive is actually one of my favorites on the album (along with BBS, but I’m kinda a harder-rocking girl). I’ve been enamored with it from first listen. And the guitar work and drums on it are absolutely stellar, starting out simple and getting more and more complicated as the song goes on, till it’s an all-out, balls-to-the-wall face melter. And then, acoustic MS is pure gold, with its delicate yet complex guitar work from Neal and David’s beautiful falsetto. I absolutely adore both versions.

  86. There’s a tweet reporting that he is out on the town with Ryan Starr. Hide the children.

    Uh oh! That sounds like good times :)

  87. I fell in love with Mr. Sensitive since it was the opening song of my first DC solo concert. It was such a powerful opening song. I re-listened the whole DCTR today when I was driving, and felt the need to repeat Mr. Sensitive many times. It brought back the good memories, and I was in tears. How I miss the tour. Good thing is that I have the NYE concert to look forward to.

  88. All the Mr. S fans are coming out of the woodworks. This is awesome! Like an AA meeting “My name is Rachel and I’ve been addicted to Mr.S for one year.”

    There’s a tweet reporting that he is out on the town with Ryan Starr. Hide the children.

    Isn’t that the truth. Lol (I retract my earlier assumption that David wasn’t tweeting because he was off somewhere getting laid). Haha

  89. So guys, I just got home from the local winter fest where there were….wait for it….irish cloggers performing. Bwahhaha. I almost shizzay a brizzick. I mean, what are the odds? Also, random aside: funnel cake is evil and irresistible.

    ANYway, I finally took a peek at Claude Kelly’s tweets and this?

    i miss the days of Grunge…that was my fav style/ music era.

    Made me :D. I’m suddenly zen. Ohm.

    OMG Analog Heart, was ALL about the bitter breakup. The poor girl who inspired that album must have been worried for his mental health.

    I’ve always kinda figured that the girl’s name was Axium.

    I don’t care what he writes about as long as it’s emmotionally honest and insightful and interesting. Okay, well, and angsty. With a side of bitter. I def couldn’t take a whole album of “Yay, puppies! Let’s party! My life is magic rainbowz! I’ll keep your things right where you left them, cuz I’m an awesome boyfriend like that!” Or some such crap. I actually wondered if we might get a road inspired album considering how he spent the last nineish months. You know, something that feels restless and a little unsettled, but also that makes you want to blast it with the car windows down. Every Day Is Exactly The Same kinda fits. So does Make Believe. (And for the record, that NIN cover? Totally my dark broody wonderfully interpretive bag. Flove. And I think Mr. S is the best written song on DCTR. Also flove.) I’m def curious to see where he goes with the next record, and if he keeps with the whole “I won’t ever have to write a biography because it’s there in my music” philosophy. I also would really enjoy an FU song inspired by all of the stupid awards show voters. Ha.

    I just don’t know if he needs a whole album of the super duper ‘I’m on heroin killing myself because I’m a f-ed up human being’  stuff. I don’t think he’s THAT dark, ya know?

    Yeah, I can’t see Cook ever writing from a more nihilistic point of view, which Trent Reznor, ironically, explored with great success in The Downward Spiral. Cook strikes me as different type of brooder. His writing goes dark places, but his albums also tend to have at least a teeny tiny sliver of gritty life affirming never say die mentality. He’s more Springsteen than Reznor, I guess, maybe?

    There’s a tweet reporting that he is out on the town with Ryan Starr. Hide the children.

    Wonder where they’ll get kicked out of this time? (And if they’ll tweet about it.) Also, I’m just gonna throw this out there into the universe: I wouldn’t mind a Dave/Ryan writing session. Ryan is a freakin beast on piano.

  90. How I miss the tour.

    I know! It’s been, what? Four days now? Gah!

    Good thing is that I have the NYE concert to look forward to.

    Is jellus!

  91. Oh, this is interesting. I guess they’re just recording demos right now, but Claude sounds confident we’ll hear this. And they’re making me excited.

    Am I the only one who doesn’t mind David writing with Greg again?

    Not at all. Declaration is one of the best songs on the album, one of the few upbeats and one of those with a more David sound. So, imo, David and Greg co-writing sounds pretty good.

  92. Leome, I couldn’t agree more. When I popped that CD in the drive for the first time and “Declaration” came pouring out, I got goosebumps.

  93. I miss the damn tour, too. Withdrawal somewhat ameliorated by twitter tweets but… not quite.

  94. When I popped that CD in the drive for the first time and ‘Declaration’  came pouring out, I got goosebumps.

    Yep, me too. Love it. And makes me think of SNL, too :)

  95. OMG Analog Heart, was ALL about the bitter breakup. The poor girl who inspired that album must have been worried for his mental health.

    I’ve always kinda figured that the girl’s name was Axium.

    BWAHHH! True, true.

  96. I loved “Declaration” live, and it always makes me think of the SNL appearance.

    So cool that David gets to relax with a friend, who’s also a New Yorker to boot. Love those guys

  97. sunchick! I saw that tweet from CK and jumped in my chair! I wasn’t expecting this and I loved seeing it. Fate, I tell ya, fate:

    i miss the days of Grunge’ ¦that was my fav style/ music era.

    Move over on the mat, I’m zennin’ widcha.

    Also, this–

    Wonder where they’ll get kicked out of this time?

    Is very funny. Nearly as funny as you seeing Irish cloggers tonight.

  98. I also thought the performance of the NIN song at the last concert might signal a *very* different direction.

    Well, let’s hope it’s not in the direction of that NIN song. Doesn’t suit him, doesn’t work.

    Really? I thought it was a fantastic performance — as usual with David, I liked his version better than the original. He can do so many things with his voice and the deep, dark, dramatic thing is one of my favorites.

    But would I want it as a steady diet? No. Too limiting. He can do much more, and I’m so greedy I want to hear it all.

    ETA: Keel: I’m pretty sure that it’s also reflective of the pick-and-choose nature of iTunes and similar services.

    Oh, you know, that makes complete sense. Though I still think producers are way over-rated and way over-catered to these days.

    DC just hit that one out of the park. So much more raw and dramatic than NIN IMO. All without any bit of glory noting or anything. Just pure interpretive magic.

    Keel I should have just quoted you. (That’s what i get for commenting before reading all the comments posted.) “Pure interpretive magic” pretty much sums up DC all around, and it was very much in evidence on that NIN song.

  99. My eyebrows popped up at first over the Claude Kelly news, but I think this could be cool, assuming any of it even sees the light of day. At any rate, it seems to indicate that those “van down by the river” or “hooking on the street” predictions may have been premature. Lol.
    Oh, and I loved the NIN cover. I’m not one of those “covers are better than the original” types generally, and I love NIN, so I was shocked by how much I loved that cover. His voice got the angst and the grit but it was still so pretty. I loved it. There’s a certain place he goes in the performance of songs like that – he went there in the Conway Anodyne performance I think – that’s really really powerful, IMO.
    And I so miss Axium Lyrics. I still think nothing he’s ever written has topped the lyrics to Unlucky.

  100. I love DC on Anodyne, but for me, Make Me and Til I’m Blue were never the highlight of a DC concert. I’m definitely down with DC and the guys in the band collaborating, of course, but I’ve never felt like Neal was a better songwriter than DC. My two favorite songs that Neal wrote turned out to be ones that DC also wrote on—Anodyne and KotN.

    For Axium, I love all of the acoustic stuff, but also a lot of the other stuff. Callout is one of my favorite non-acoustic Axium songs.

    And of course I love Wavelength and The Finish Line.

  101. At any rate, it seems to indicate that those ‘van down by the river’  or ‘hooking on the street’  predictions may have been premature. Lol.

    If the van’s a-rockin’, don’t come a-knockin’!

  102. OMG Analog Heart, was ALL about the bitter breakup. The poor girl who inspired that album must have been worried for his mental health.

    The first time I heard it I thought, oy, some girl broke this guy’s heart SO bad — though if she inspired him to rhyme “intoxicating” with “and I’m negating,” well, more power to her. (Sorry Dave.)

    I’ve always kinda figured that the girl’s name was Axium.

    Heh! That makes a certain amount of sense. Certainly for “Silver” and the like.

    I’m still working my way through the Axium catalogue and nothing has jumped up and grabbed me by the throat the way much of Analog Heart did first time through. That’s all I want, that “fall madly in love with the sound and the voice and the words and the beat the first time I hear it” sort of song. Well, I want 12 of them. On the next record. No pressure, Mr. Sensitive.

  103. The first time I heard it I thought, oy, some girl broke this guy’s heart SO bad ‘” though if she inspired him to rhyme ‘intoxicating’  with ‘and I’m negating,’  well, more power to her. (Sorry Dave.)

    The Truth and Let Go are my favorite songs on that record. Special bonus points for Straight Ahead, just for the lyrics in the chorus.

    On a side note, am I the only one who thinks of Kimberly Caldwell whenever they hear Avalanche? I swear he wrote that song about her. I don’t even know why I think that.

    **dodges tomatoes**

  104. On a side note, am I the only one who thinks of Kimberly Caldwell whenever they hear Avalanche? I swear he wrote that song about her. I don’t even know why I think that.

    **dodges tomatoes**

    Hehe whenever I hear KOTN I think of her! The next time you hear it pay attention to the words, and tell me you don’t think it describes her!

  105. Declaration to me is the one song on the record that Sounds almost the same live. He does not have to change that song up for his shows. I love that song. So I was really happy to hear he was collaborating with one of the guys that wrote Declaration with him again. I hope they come up with some nice rock songs.

  106. Hehe whenever I hear KOTN I think of her! The next time you hear it pay attention to the words, and tell me you don’t think it describes her!

    Oh I’ve always thought that. It matched her reputation. But it was a little too obvious to be true, ya know? Besides, I doubt the girl is anything like the rumors.

    I don’t know, it just always seemed like he was really, really into that girl. I guess we’ll never know!

  107. The Truth and Let Go are my favorite songs on that record. Special bonus points for Straight Ahead, just for the lyrics in the chorus.

    The Truth, Silver, Searchlights (which I would kill to hear live, just once) are my elusive favorites, but Straight Ahead is my “ooh I get to wallow in it, thank you” favorite. I just love that song, and for exactly the same reason — those lyrics. There’s a video floating around of the first performance of it at the first show in FL, where DC does this hilarious, happy little freak-out at the end and it just sums up how prescient and how perfect those lyrics are.

    On a side note, am I the only one who thinks of Kimberly Caldwell whenever they hear Avalanche? I swear he wrote that song about her. I don’t even know why I think that.

    *L* No, that never occurred to me. Like seriously I was pretty sure KOTN was about KC because it seemed to fit so perfectly, but then I read something somewhere (don’t ask me where) that it might actually be about a girl Neal got involved with while tracking the record. Who knows? And I don’t really care — it’s just a killer song. Well, they both are. Two of my favorites.

    And since they came up, I flove Declaration — I’ve said before that bridge is one of my favorites in all his songs and I love how he soars up into it — but Mr. Sensitive… I don’t know. I *try* and I actually like the lyrics, and I love how passionately he performs it, but there’s something about the melody that rubs me the wrong way. When he admitted it was his favorite on DCTR I felt terribly guilty. But not guilty enough to start liking it.

    *prepares to be shunned*

  108. Hehe whenever I hear KOTN I think of her! The next time you hear it pay attention to the words, and tell me you don’t think it describes her!

    I don’t. One, because he ain’t that fucking stupid.

    Two, because people can say what they like about Kim Caldwell, but “lost” is not one of the words I’d ever use to describe her. Girl absolutely has a backbone.

    Not to mention that I think the song is more about Cook dealing with his own feelings of indie-rock-superiority-falling-into-Hollywood-whoredom.

    I could actually buy the Avalanche thing. Although my pet theory is that Make Believe is the product of that particular encounter.

    I love DC on Anodyne, but for me, Make Me and Til I’m Blue were never the highlight of a DC concert.

    Oh, I think TIB was a very worthwhile pony. That bridge is ah-may-zing.

    I don’t think it’s about being “better” (and frankly, I think they share a few of the same challenges as songwriters), but I think there are some truly kickass songs from the Tiemann catalog that make me interested in hearing more. And I think there’s something to be said about working with someone who knows your shorthand. Go forth and return, you know? (Cook would probably put something in there about circles.)

  109. ‘Til I’m Blue… heh. Ask my buddy vascot about my reaction when I finally got ‘Til I’m Blue at a show. I am not a squee-er but I do believe I squeed. And flailed. LOVE it. I love it by MWK, I love it by David.

    The Truth, Silver, Searchlights (which I would kill to hear live, just once) are my elusive favorites, but Straight Ahead is my ‘ooh I get to wallow in it, thank you’  favorite. I just love that song, and for exactly the same reason ‘” those lyrics.

    I love the Truth and Silver, always have, I love his voice on both songs. So purty. Straight Ahead makes me think of wandering Dave now. But yeah, I love how those lyrics fit into what all has happened since Analog Heart…

    Hmm. I know what I’m putting on the iPod for bedtime music. Gimme some chilled out Cookie. I’ll be smiling all the way to sleep. Until this new foster pitty puppy of mine starts barking. Because I KNOW she’s going to, lol.

  110. I don’t. One, because he ain’t that fucking stupid.

    Two, because people can say what they like about Kim Caldwell, but ‘lost’  is not one of the words I’d ever use to describe her. Girl absolutely has a backbone.

    Don’t worry, I don’t think he wrote it about her lol. I just said it seemed to describe her (or at least the publics view of her). ;)

    I personally like what MollyAnnMay said it couldve been about, and that it was a girl Neal go involved with. Mwahaha.

  111. I could actually buy the Avalanche thing. Although my pet theory is that Make Believe is the product of that particular encounter.

    Hmmm. You might have something there.

    Not to mention that I think the song is more about Cook dealing with his own feelings of indie-rock-superiority-falling-into-Hollywood-whoredom.

    Holy shit. I swear I thought I was the only one who read it that way. I posted that on DCO (or was it TwoP?) once and practically got laughed out of the thread. I thought it could be easily read to be about Kim but it was actually about fame. And Bar Ba Sol was on the surface about drunken binges, but also could be interpreted about being used up, beat up and spit out by the coroprate machine.

    but Mr. Sensitive’ ¦ I don’t know. I *try* and I actually like the lyrics, and I love how passionately he performs it, but there’s something about the melody that rubs me the wrong way. When he admitted it was his favorite on DCTR I felt terribly guilty. But not guilty enough to start liking it.

    Never got into that one either. I do like some of the live versions.

    I’ve actually very partial to the songs on Andy’s To Be Heroes. Did Andy write those himself?

  112. When he admitted it was his favorite on DCTR I felt terribly guilty. But not guilty enough to start liking it.

    Heh, I’m with the (not-as-small-as-I-thought) minority that loves Mr. S, and did so from the get-go, but it’s the same thing for me and Heroes. They played it for every show. He was clearly thrilled that it got so much sports coverage. I wish I cared about it, but I just don’t.

    And Bar Ba Sol was on the surface about drunken binges, but also could be interpreted about being used up, beat up and spit out by the coroprate machine.

    Oh. Yes. That makes a lot of sense, particularly with the lyrical changeup to “sold and…” Wonder when he asked the Injected guys for it. Maybe after the DioGuardi sessions. Heh.

  113. I love DC on Anodyne, but for me, Make Me and Til I’m Blue were never the highlight of a DC concert. I’m definitely down with DC and the guys in the band collaborating, of course, but I’ve never felt like Neal was a better songwriter than DC. My two favorite songs that Neal wrote turned out to be ones that DC also wrote on’”Anodyne and KotN.

    OMG Folkfan, are you me? I’m wordy McWord on this. I also think Mr. Sensitive is really well written. Declaration is great, but falls into the same category as much of DCTR for me, which is that it’s ALMOST perfect, along with the likes of Lie, Avalanche, Heroes. I love those, but they’re each missing a little thing that keeps it from being perfect- like they lack one lyrical tweak, or needed slightly better production on the instrumentation, or a less processed vocal interpretation. I never cared for IDIFY or CBTM. I actually think A Daily Anthem is perfect as is– not for a radio single, but as an album/concert closer. Permanent also is perfect IMO. I actually feel that ALL of AH and a couple Axium songs fall into the category of almost perfect as well. Silver, The Truth, Let Go, Straight Ahead, Makeover, Therapy for Me, Finish Line etc. all have moments of hooky, riffy goodness, lyrical brilliance/uniqueness, cool vibes. And that’s what DC accomplished on his own. I’m hoping, without the time constraints of the AI tour, etc., and the extra RCA resources, DCTR will be the perfect storm and truly realize DC’s huge potential and talent.

    Great thread, guys! Lots more thoughts, but I’ll stop there. Just gotta say, I like a bunch of Claude Kelly songs (who doesn’t love Since U Been Gone?) including Circus (shoot me!), but mainly, I’m just thrilled whenever people rave about DC. Good signs! Yay….

  114. I’ve actually very partial to the songs on Andy’s To Be Heroes. Did Andy write those himself?

    Did a little googling… this is apparently what the back of his EP says (I should know, I have it, but no clue where the cover went, heh). There’s also some discussion about this on DCO where I found it via google that Fairweather Friend was initially a MWK song credited in the liner notes only to Neal and maybe Andy did more tweaking than writing on it. But anyhoo, this is what the EP says:

    Written and Performed by To Have Heroes (Andy Skib)

    Additional writing:

    Reasons — Z. Maloy & Neal Tiemann
    Don’t Give Up On Us — Z. Maloy
    Story of Your Life — Ike Hanson, Z. Maloy, Jason Mraz
    Better Day — Ben Glover, Shaun Shankel, & Mike Kelly
    Fairweather Friend — N. Tiemann & Zac Maloy
    LA Girl — B. Glover and Z. Maloy

  115. but mainly, I’m just thrilled whenever people rave about DC.

    Haha, that’s pretty much it for me – I like to see people raving about him. Better yet when they are impressed by the voice. I do so love that voice, lol.

    OK, Pit puppy whining – time for freezing cold 1:30 am visit outside, then off to bed. I love this thread – love talking about the music. **Hugs lovely thread**. ‘Nite!

  116. Written and Performed by To Have Heroes (Andy Skib)

    Additional writing:

    Reasons ‘” Z. Maloy & Neal Tiemann
    Don’t Give Up On Us ‘” Z. Maloy
    Story of Your Life ‘” Ike Hanson, Z. Maloy, Jason Mraz
    Better Day ‘” Ben Glover, Shaun Shankel, & Mike Kelly
    Fairweather Friend ‘” N. Tiemann & Zac Maloy
    LA Girl ‘” B. Glover and Z. Maloy

    Thanks tierbee!

    So Zach Maloy was all over that one, huh? Didn’t know that. That was an Andy, Zach and Neal special. Nice.

    I gotta go to bed too, but I have had so much fun tonight. I could talk music for hours. Thanks y’all!

  117. Oh, I think TIB was a very worthwhile pony. That bridge is ah-may-zing.

    I didn’t get that song at all till the performance at Cain’s in Tulsa. Then… I got it. Hoo boy. That was a performance, like the NIN song, that was, in Keel‘s words, pure interpretive magic.

    I don’t think it’s about being ‘better’  (and frankly, I think they share a few of the same challenges as songwriters)

    ITA. There’s a tendency toward predictable structure for both of them. I think David is more lyrically surprising, but Neal is more melodically varied.

    I think there are benefits and drawbacks to working with someone you know really well (Neal), with someone you know maybe a little (Raine, or sunchick‘s idea of him wiriting with Ryan, which could be awesome), and someone you don’t know at all (I don’t know what this Claude Kelly thing was all about, but I hope it wasn’t something that was forced.).

    I just want him to have some *time* — real, inspired time, not scheduled time — to write this time around. I agree with LaraC: You can’t make raw, passionate, angsty, true-to-yourself music on a scheduled noon writing session with someone you don’t even know. I think he was true to himself on DCTR, but the rawness and passion were mostly MIA — or they were till he had time to break the songs open on the road.

    The good thing this time around is that he has the familiar guys *and* he knows more people, and on more than a surface level, so that some really terrific collaborations could come out of it.

    Go forth and return, you know? (Cook would probably put something in there about circles.)

    Bwah! Somehow, as someone said upthread, I think the word “road” might come up a few times this go round.

  118. I thought it could be easily read to be about Kim but it was actually about fame. And Bar Ba Sol was on the surface about drunken binges, but also could be interpreted about being used up, beat up and spit out by the coroprate machine.

    Ditto on both counts! And Mr. Sensitive is as Dave said about a boy who feels too much, but the story about the boy is a allegory for the plight of the songwriter who sends his bb songs, little bundes of raw emmotion, out into the cold, cruel world. Just feel something, oh feel something=chills, always.

    Heh! That makes a certain amount of sense. Certainly for ‘Silver’  and the like.

    Well, the way I figure it, the girl in the songs might not be just a girl, but also a metaphor for something else. For example, Fall Back Into Me could be about a guy and his music. And, say, with Stitches, it’s fairly easy to draw the parallel to a band break up. Different layers of ideas in that album methinks. Sigh, I have mad love for AH.

    I think he was true to himself on DCTR, but the rawness and passion were mostly MIA ‘” or they were there till he had time to break the songs open on the road.

    Agreed, you just feeel the songs more live. But I do think there are recurrent themes in DCTR that are probably a pretty fair reflection of emmotions that were very relatable to him at the time he recorded the album. Lots of atmosphere, floating, feet off the ground imagery, plus the whole love amidst distance, appreciation for his family thing.

  119. I thought it could be easily read to be about Kim but it was actually about fame.

    Oh wow. Yes! That works beautifully. The line about being sold in BBS always seemed mysterious to me until it clicked into place one day that he was singing about a lot more than a physical binge, but KOTN never struck me as being metaphorical. But it being (at least in part) about fame (the ultimate seductress) makes a lot of sense.

    Sigh, I have mad love for AH, especially that tune.

    AH is like potato chips for me. I can never listen to just one song. I go in thinking I just want to hear “The Truth” and “Silver” again and then I stuff myself on the whole damn thing. It reminds me so strongly — not in music or even lyrics, but in vibe — of how I felt about Jackson Browne’s records back in the day. Each song was like a challenge to the next song to be even better — and they often met that challenge.

    I do think there are recurrent themes in DCTR that are probably a pretty fair reflection of his emmotional state at the time he recorded the album.

    I agree, and I also think that despite the one terrible thing that was happening at that time, he was actually pretty happy, if somewhat tossed about and yeah, feet off the ground. That means few of the songs convey that deep-down angst that can often make an album feel more meaningful or artistic, and I wonder if that was one reason, in addition to the production, that made it easy to dismiss.

    Lord knows, I don’t want the guy to suffer, but I do want some more visceral music next time around. He’s clearly capable of it.

    BTW, thanks for the discussion, peeps. I love this stuff.

  120. It’s fun listening to everyone’s difference in tastes. I was thinking that if I had to make an album with my favorite Cook songs (covers excluded) it would have:
    1. The Truth (AH)
    2. Silver (AH)
    3. Let Go (AH)
    4. Makeover (AH)
    5. Declaration
    6. Light On
    7. Mr. Sensitive
    8. Anodyne (MWK)
    9. A Daily Anthem
    10. Permanent
    11. Life On the Moon (acoustic)
    12. Lie (redone)
    13. Avalanche (acoustic)
    14. Not Around (Axium)
    15. FYEGO remix (Axium)

  121. May I love that track list! But I think Declaration and nearly all the AH songs need to be redone as well. And since we’re redoing, I’d throw in the rest of AH ( Porcelain and Fall Back Into Me and Atitches and Searchlights? All so good!) with some lyrical tweaks. Deluxe album. Boom ;)

  122. Well. I have a different view about musical output. While I don’t like the new singles approach to selling music. I also didn’t like the take 2 years in the studio to make a record. I don’t think creativity should have a timetable . So yeah if it takes ya 2 years to make a record good on ya, but I like the idea that art is visceral and you create it and you might tweak it here and there but you don’t need to spend 2 years in a studio turning nobs. So I was excited to see some people releasing EP’s. I don’t mind albums with 12 songs, that is what I am used to, but I like experiments. I read an article in Rolling Stone about the move away from the traditional 12 song album. That could be bad or good. The album is actually a record company invention. Bundling songs like that is not how people bought music years ago. The way people sell music is just changing. And artists and record companies should be flexible or they could be left behind.

    So I am happy to hear that DC will have more time to create I am also happy that the CD will come out next year.

  123. I also think Mr. Sensitive is really well written.

    I know many people like the song, so this might come as a bit of heresy, but I do think Mr Sensitive shows a bit of limitation in the way David Cook uses words, assuming that he is responsible for it. When I hear someone says “Mr Sensitive”, I would immediately think that someone said that with a tinge of sarcasm and negativity, but that doesn’t appear to be how he used it. I would like to think that he acknowledged the sarcasm inherent in something like “Mr Sensitive” and used it with a touch of irony, but I don’t really hear it in the lyrics. It’s just a little bit off.

    Just compare it to other song lyrics, like Bob Dylan’s Ballad Of A Thin Man, a song dripping with caustic wit and cruel sarcasm, or the line “But you gave away the things you loved, one of them was me” in Carly Simon’s You’re So Vain, sarcasm that’s infused with bitterness and regret, the way David Cook did it in that song just feels subpar. That is not say that I don’t think he can be good – some of his lyrics have that very nice turn of phrase which makes them enjoyable, just that there is the occasional clunkiness that doesn’t quite work.

    BTW, I don’t really think Kiss On The Neck can be about Kim Caldwell – the song just sounds mean if it’s about someone you have a close relationship with, and I don’t think David Cook can be mean to anyone.

  124. I think the chorus of “Make Believe” is a really good omen. Crosses fingers. It’s hookier than anything on DCTR, do you agree? It’s addictively hooky–at least it is to me. I do think he tends toward unmelodious verses, even in that song, and I’m hopeful he’ll move toward more melody in his verses, too, because if he can manage that, he’ll sell more and have bigger audiences if he does. This is where songwriters like CK may be helpful to him. There is, in my view, absolutely no conflict at all between good melody and extremely creative or even groundbreaking music. Plenty of examples abound of music that has it all. I’d like him to have it all in those musical ways, because I want it all, lol.

  125. Does anyone know if there’s an mp3 lurking around the net somewhere for that NIN cover: not sure how I missed listening to that one, but I lurve it.

    Axium’s music is odd. When I first listened, I only liked the softer songs and didn’t really go for the hard/loud ones at all. But now I love everything on Blindsided and The Story…They really grow on you.

    I think my favourites are: Truth Is A Gun, Callout, Testament, Clean Break, Just In Case, Leave Behind, Unlucky, Therapy, The Finish Line and Wavelength.

    But I keep finding new ones that I hadn’t liked and suddenly love.

    Matter Of Time is the album that I listen to the least.

    Analog Heart also has withstood the test of a year’s on and off listening: I still love all of the songs on that.

    And DCTR too, for all the fact that I sometimes malign decisions made about it and its singles. The fact that I still love 70-80% of the songs an that album after a year and that I can return to it after a break and rediscover my enjoyment of those songs, means to me that there is some good stuff there at the heart of the DC post-idol catalogue.

    Can’t wait to see the next development – whatever it is ( and whatever my abiding fondness for indie/Axium DC).

  126. Well, Dylan is Dylan. Cook may not be the poet that Dylan is, which is fine. Cook is also more earnest guy than Dylan, and I’m okay with that earnestness bleeding through in his writing. Anyway, I think Mr. Sensitive is a well written song because it’s really interesting musically and lyrically, for me for you. In those songs you mentioned Hazehel, the biting sarcasm coming from the narrator is directed at the subject. I think what you’re saying is that “Mr. Sensitive” used as an ironic slight at someone who is anything but sensitive would make for a better written song? Or maybe some self deprication and mocking of Cook’s public persona would make it better?

    Eh, that doesn’t bug me. “Mr. Sensitive” is a taunt not originating from the narrator but directed at the boy from the “unfeeling” world. I think Dave, as the narrator, is empathizing with the boy in the song, so I’m fine with him not singing about Mr. Sensitive sarcastically. Just like in Eleanor Rigby, for example, McCartney as the narrator empathizes with the tragic lonely figures that are central to the narrative. There is a touch of irony, though, in Cook’s use of Mr. Sensitive in that people would most likely assume anyone tagged “Mr. Sensitive” is a bit of a pansy, kinda wussy. But the lyrics suggest the boy is tougher than he’s given credit for…who never let the worst get the best of him. If ignorance is bliss, then Mr. Sensitive should be pretty damn miserable. And yet…never let the worst get the best of him.

  127. Which is kind of Neal’s type of songwriting. Part of me wouldn’t be surprised if he drank a bottle of Jack Daniels and jumped off a building. lol He seems kinda miserable IDK.

    Hopefully this won’t be a segment from a future episode of “Behind the Music” on Dave and The Anthemic.

    Hehe whenever I hear KOTN I think of her! The next time you hear it pay attention to the words, and tell me you don’t think it describes her!

    I thought so too, but that’s because I never liked her from way back to Season Two.

    I think the chorus of ‘Make Believe’  is a really good omen.

    I’m going to have to listen to this song again, because I’m not immediately drawn to it at all.

    Does anyone know if there’s an mp3 lurking around the net somewhere for that NIN cover: not sure how I missed listening to that one, but I lurve it.

    I’m sure there are. There were links posted on DCO not too long after the Charlotte show, but I’ll be darned if I know where they are now.

    As for me … I don’t like Declaration very much, but I love Avalanche and Kiss on the Neck. I haven’t heard Anodyne often enough to have an opinion. It didn’t immediately grabbed me, so maybe it never will.

    In the TV Guide that accompanies the Washington Post, Carrie Underwood is on the front page and they have a cover article about the special on page three. Here’s the section relevant to DC:

    Underwood had a hand in reducing the original “wish list” to the guests who ultimately made the cut. “It’s hard to get music people,” she explains, “because they’re touring or in the middle of making an album, so they really don’t have that much down time that they can just drop everything and come to L.A. to be on my show. We were really lucky.

    “Dolly and Brad are two of my favorite people in the world, and I think David and I sound good together. He’s a really good friend of mine, he agreed to do it, and we get to sound good together again!”

  128. Hazehel, Interesting insights about Mr. Sensitive. I agree with much of what you said, and it reminds me of another touchy subject – the bands name. Similar problem but writ large – no irony or wit in name, ‘the Anthemic’, so it just comes off as a bit pompous. This is exactly why I think its a net positive to have other than friends around David who can bring out other elements in him to help him balance some entrenched patterns and bring out other aspects into light to play. That could be a great thing.

  129. Seriously:

    I just uploaded a mp3 of the NIN. The only problem is I don’t now how to remove banter. The song starts at the 38 second mark. On iTunes you can go into advanced and make it start from there.

    Thank you!

    Off to download.

  130. CathyMK – I love those two Xmas songs…honestly Mr Cook, I would buy a Christmas album from you. Edit: and thanks for the NIN mp3 – I downloaded both.

    So many reasons for spending money – so little to actually spend it on: that’s my DC fandom to a T.

    Still, at least he and RCA save me money.

  131. honestly Mr Cook, I would buy a Christmas album from you.

    I would too, but I doubt that we’re going to get one anytime soon. :( I wish he’d sung a Christmas song on Carrie’s special. If he’d just sing 1 or 2 new ones every year, we could slowly piece together an album of MP3s, LOL.

  132. So many reasons for spending money ‘“ so little to actually spend it on: that’s my DC fandom to a T.

    What’s “funny” — but great for David’s openers — is that, because there is no new David product, I’ve bought GRO’s and The Script’s CD’s instead. They’re good X-mas gifts for the young ladies in my family.

    If David had a product out, I’d probably buy that instead … or at least buy it first.

    Still, at least he and RCA save me money.

    By the way, there’s some great conversation and articles on a DCO thread about the problems openers face as well as the amount of money a label takes from an artist.

  133. Lord knows, I don’t want the guy to suffer, but I do want some more visceral music next time around. He’s clearly capable of it.

    What about a little suffering? Y’know for our listening pleasure? j/k. I wouldn’t want that……ummm yeah.

    honestly Mr Cook, I would buy a Christmas album from you

    So would I, and I hate Christmas songs. Even if he put out an album of like VeggieTale songs I would buy.hehe

  134. what is NIN? , new song?

    At his last concert he covered Nine Inch Nail’s (NIN) song called Everyday is Exactly the Same”.

    Here is a youtube link to it. Clicky

  135. CathyMK

    If he’d just sing 1 or 2 new ones every year, we could slowly piece together an album of MP3s, LOL.

    Great idea! It could be the next project for the DC do-it-yourself fan.

    Sassycatz:

    By the way, there’s some great conversation and articles on a DCO thread about the problems openers face as well as the amount of money a label takes from an artist.

    Yeah, I read it. Eye-opening to say the least! I’m even more glad for DC that he managed to carry such a long and well attended tour this year.

    And his fans really are the best at providing opportunities for ‘do-it-yourself’ fandom: they pretty much manage to sustain themselves and provide excellent underground publicity along the way.

    The whole dichotomy about paying for extra delux albums, dvds of shows, singles and videos and the balance between cost and profit is an education. And it’s not as though the man’s fans are going without.

    I’d still love to have more product to buy – but it may have to wait until he’s more established (crossed fingers).

  136. Even if he put out an album of like VeggieTale songs I would buy.hehe

    Hell yeah – I’d be there! :lol

  137. I think I just realized how invested I am. I’d buy VeggieTale songs lol. There is no turning back! Man, if I had known what I’d be getting into when I bought the album…. I wonder what I’ll be talking about ten years from now… hopefully about his fifth platinum record. Mwahaha.

    ETA: This is a public service announcement. My new favorite Axium song is “Hold” as of 2 minutes ago. haha

  138. My new favorite Axium song is ‘Hold’  as of 2 minutes ago

    Oh yeah! Love that one too!

  139. If he’d just sing 1 or 2 new ones every year, we could slowly piece together an album of MP3s, LOL.

    Now you’re talkin’!

    So eventually, if we’re patient and we search the interwebs assiduously, we’ll have the “David Cook Sings Covers He Never Ever Wanted to Put Out on a Record” cd, and then, after about ten years, we’ll have the “David Cook Begrudgingly Gives Us Christmas Music” cd. I can’t wait! Oh, wait, I have to wait, don’t I?

    Dammit, David, you’re turning all of us into Indie record producers, lol.

  140. There is a touch of irony, though, in Cook’s use of Mr. Sensitive in that people would most likely assume anyone tagged ‘Mr. Sensitive’  is a bit of a pansy, kinda wussy. But the lyrics suggest the boy is tougher than he’s given credit for’ ¦who never let the worst get the best of him.

    Yeah, that. Committment to one’s convictions != wuss.

    Similar problem but writ large ‘“ no irony or wit in name, ‘the Anthemic’, so it just comes off as a bit pompous.

    You know, I thought about that, and then I remembered Sonic Youth. (Obligatory Idol board disclaimer: I am not saying that Cook and TA have remotely the same place in music as Sonic Youth.) When they started out in NYC, they had “wittier” and more obscure names, but they wanted something that summarized exactly what they stood for. It was as earnest and naked as you can get. And yet they managed to last this long.

    I just don’t think that the name is that big a deal. If people have a problem with Cook being so damn earnest, they’ll have a problem with a number of the songs regardless of the band name.

    Which is not to say that a little more levity is a bad thing. That’s part of him too.

  141. Dammit, David, you’re turning all of us into Indie record producers, lol.

    LMAO!

    Does anybody I have any ideas for what he should name DCTR2? Snark is welcome. hehe

  142. My personal pony is David covering Joni Mitchell’s “River.” I know he loves Sarah McLachlan, and she does a fantastic version of it on her Wintersong album. It was never intended to be a Xmas song, per se, and I’m thinking the themes would really line up with David’s experiences the last couple of years. Plus I want to hear him sing these lyrics:

    She tried hard to help me
    You know, she put me at ease
    And she loved me so naughty
    Made me weak in the knees
    Oh I wish I had a river
    I could skate away on

  143. Guess what?

    @ClaudeKelly back in the studio with @thedavidcook. Let the magic continue…

  144. @ClaudeKelly back in the studio with @thedavidcook. Let the magic continue’ ¦

    Again?! Isn’t DC also supposed to be working on something for Idol? Maybe this is a part of that too?

  145. This one is floating around Twitter- gratuitous Cookie mention in a football article!

    roxybella_manda
    @thedavidcook “Brady is the NFL’s rock star, as much The Boss as Springsteen, as much the American Idol as David Cook.” http://bit.ly/8r06xL

    To catch up on the conversation: Hold is my favorite Axium song. Declaration is my favorite DCTR song. Porcelain is my favorite AH song. I love David’s songwriting, especially his lyrics and wordplay, but then, I don’t think that every song needs a great hook, at least not every alt song. The Kings of Leon album that made them huge really only has 2 hooky songs, IMHO- Sex on Fire and Use Somebody, with Use Somebody being the poppiest song on the album. If Claude Kelly can help David come up with a song like Use Somebody, that’s true to him as an artist, but also a potential hit single, I’ll be thrilled.

    I’ll buy whatever he wants to put out. A nice EP in the spring would do! I think he mainly wants to have the DCTR era be over and move on to a new album, one that can be fully his baby in a way that the recording conditions for DCTR wouldn’t allow. That why I can’t be too upset about the lack of a 3rd single. I think he was part of that decision and is fine with it. Hopefully he’ll be more willing to milk us fans a little, next time!

  146. Isn’t DC also supposed to be working on something for Idol? Maybe this is a part of that too?

    This is what is listed at DCO under upcoming events.

    Jan (TBA) likely pre-taped (Oct 23 & 24) episode of EXTREME MAKEOVER: HOME EDITION will air

    >> Apr 21 (Wed) Idol Gives Back [ possible live or taped appearance/performance ]

    I don’t think this has anything to do with idol but that’s just me. This was DC’s first tweet after the show in Charlotte ended.

    Boarding a plane to Go write. Miss all the band and crew already. See u in a week or so, family!
    8:12 AM Dec 2nd from mobile web

  147. I love David’s songwriting, especially his lyrics and wordplay, but then, I don’t think that every song needs a great hook, at least not every alt song. The Kings of Leon album that made them huge really only has 2 hooky songs, IMHO- Sex on Fire and Use Somebody, with Use Somebody being the poppiest song on the album. If Claude Kelly can help David come up with a song like Use Somebody, that’s true to him as an artist, but also a potential hit single, I’ll be thrilled.

    Totally agree with this. Like I said earlier, going by Analog Heart, I think DC has a tendency to write good songs on his own but not necessarily good singles (some could be, but most don’t have strong hooks). And since I do not believe an album full of good hooks is better than an album of good songs necessarily, I’m okay with that. He just needs a few good radio songs that truly reflect what he’s about.

  148. From previous Kris info where a DJ says he was recording a song for a TV show, do we think Kris is doing the boot song for AI9? That seems odd to me since, in the past, it’s always been an older Idol, but maybe they’re just trying to give Kris the publicity.

    (Not suggesting that this Claude Kelly thing as anything to do with that, but the mention of David doing something for AI brought that thought to mind.)

  149. And there are explosions lol.
    @ClaudeKelly aaaaaaaannnnnnnnnd Boom goes the dynamite. @thedavidcook 2 minutes ago

  150. From previous Kris info where a DJ says he was recording a song for a TV show, do we think Kris is doing the boot song for AI9? That seems odd to me since, in the past, it’s always been an older Idol, but maybe they’re just trying to give Kris the publicity.

    Yeah for the past few years it has gone to a previous winner from a few years ago (Rueben then Carrie) but before that it was Daughtry who had not won and had come off the previous season. And before THAT it was someone not ever associated with Idol. So I don’t know if there are really solid rules around that kind of thing.

    I will not be surprised with whatever they do, myself.

  151. I will not be surprised with whatever they do, myself.

    Me neither especially since the show loves to give us the unexpected and this is AI anything is possible.

  152. I think the chorus of ‘Make Believe’  is a really good omen. Crosses fingers. It’s hookier than anything on DCTR, do you agree? It’s addictively hooky’“at least it is to me.

    ^^THIS! That is some hooky chorus right there. I was singing the chorus this morning as I was waking up because it was stuck in my head.

    On the Mr. S discussion, musically I think it’s a very well written song. The lyrics aren’t the strongest but Cook-like (which is always a good thing in my book). I don’t think the ‘story’ of the song required him to be ironic about the Mr. Sensitive part of the title.

    But movin2thebeet, I so agree with you about the name of the band. There’s earnest and then there’s just embarrassingly, jaw-droppingly tin-eared IMO. I can’t believe no one on the label cuffed him upside the head for that.

    Oh yeah, my lyrical pony for the next album? Songs that convey his humor a bit more. He’s quite earnest, yes, but he’s also quite the wise ass so I’d like to see this side of him make its way into his songs — and not just in his concert banter.

  153. Oh yeah, my lyrical pony for the next album? Songs that convey his humor a bit more. He’s quite earnest, yes, but he’s also quite the wise ass so I’d like to see this side of him make its way into his songs ‘” and not just in his concert banter.

    That is the best idea I’ve ever heard! I hadn’t thought of that but, a wise ass song would rock. Pun not intended.

  154. Someone upthread mentioned the song “River”. I have to butt in to say that Cookie associate/pal Ryan Star is singing that song on an NBC morning show today. If I find a link I’ll post it.

  155. wellhesback-looks like David responded to your tweet. :)

    # RT @wellhesback AP on Tom Brady “Brady is the NFL’s rock star, as much The Boss as Springsteen, as much the American Idol as David Cook” WOW
    4 minutes ago from web

  156. pam – that’s just too cool. thanks. I thought he should see it, ya know.

    We’re all out here amusing ourselves while we wait for that music Cookie and Claude are making

  157. Someone upthread mentioned the song ‘River’ . I have to butt in to say that Cookie associate/pal Ryan Star is singing that song on an NBC morning show today. If I find a link I’ll post it.

    That was me. PLEASE DO!!! Love Ryan almost as much as DC.

  158. Maybe this will be the hit he desperately needs then. By the time of your sophomore release, it’s getting late to still be trying to come up with a signature single, but if the song is good enough, it will force its way on to the airwaves, even if your name as an artist doesn’t carry the same lustre that it once did.

    Yeah, poor David, only 1 platinum album, 2 platinum singles, and a very profitable 10 month long tour to his credit. LOL, Noctem, I don’t think anyone at 19 or RCA is hitting the panic button yet. If they were okay with giving Kelly until her 2nd album to have a huge hit, back in the good old days of the record industry, I think they’ll give David a chance. And, to use KOL as an example again, they didn’t hit it big here in the US until their 4th album. Taylor Swift and The All-American Rejects waited until their 2nd albums. Not everyone needs to be the Beatles right out of the gate.

  159. fadedtowhite: The fact that I still love 70-80% of the songs an that album after a year and that I can return to it after a break and rediscover my enjoyment of those songs, means to me that there is some good stuff there at the heart of the DC post-idol catalogue.

    I agree, as I do with your comment that AH holds up as well and that the Axium songs took a while to take hold, but when they did they *really* took hold.

    Most of DC’s songs are like that to me — I sometimes bounce off them on first listen, then try again and get hooked, till finally I want to listen over and over again. The songs are — well, the description that springs to mind is that they’re grow-ers, not show-ers, to use a phrase usually used to refer to something else. *cough*

    I find that songs like that tend to last longer for me and provide more enjoyment– Okay, and now I’m going to stop, before this analogy gets out of hand.

  160. “American Idol’s David Cook, rocker Ryan Star hang out at Kristen Farrell’s new swanky jewelry boutique in Soho http://bit.ly/4V8kY8
    can’t read the article since it’s subscript only. Farrell is apparently Ryan’s sister

  161. Which is kind of Neal’s type of songwriting. Part of me wouldn’t be surprised if he drank a bottle of Jack Daniels and jumped off a building. lol He seems kinda miserable IDK.

    I honestly don’t think Neal is that miserable. If you follow him on twitter, he seems to get most cranky when he can’t get time and space to practice — he reminds me of a lot of musicians I know who are so focused on music and musicianship it keeps their melodramatic, artsy side grounded. He’s a dark wroter but he’s also funny as hell and seems to have a great sense of humor. The twitter Q&A he did recently had me crying laughing.

    I absolutely agree that one thing DC’s songs could use is more of his humor, and I could say the same about Neal.

    So many reasons for spending money ‘“ so little to actually spend it on: that’s my DC fandom to a T.

    Still, at least he and RCA save me money.

    Gah, RCA has left so much money on the table as far as DC is concerned. So. Much. Money. Dimwits.

    That being said, sign me up for the DIY DCTR Deluxe album, the ‘David Cook Sings Covers He Never Ever Wanted to Put Out on a Record’  cd, and the ‘David Cook Begrudgingly Gives Us Christmas Music’  CD. (in 10 years – also LOL spritely) and ta very much for the mp3 of EDIETS!

  162. And there are explosions lol.
    @ClaudeKelly aaaaaaaannnnnnnnnd Boom goes the dynamite. @thedavidcook

    *L* I am starting to really like Mr. Kelly.

  163. MollyAnnMay:

    The songs are ‘” well, the description that springs to mind is that they’re grow-ers, not show-ers, to use a phrase usually used to refer to something else. *cough*

    I find that songs like that tend to last longer for me and provide more enjoyment’“ Okay, and now I’m going to stop, before this analogy gets out of hand.

    Uh-huh – I think I follow your analogy there…and I agree! :lol

  164. Like I said earlier, going by Analog Heart, I think DC has a tendency to write good songs on his own but not necessarily good singles (some could be, but most don’t have strong hooks).

    I gotta agree with this. Like A Daily Anthem, Permanent, Lie, Avalanche, Declaration, Mr. Sensitive– all some of my fave songs, but none would really work for a radio single without some tweaking IMO. LOTM, I actually quite like, and is “hooky”, but a bit generic compared to the other songs. Because of that, I almost don’t blame RCA too much for releasing the singles they did. Only problem was, CBTM was this weak/boring song posing as something The Fray would do… but not as angsty or catchy. Even DC’s superior voice couldn’t save it. Anyway, I hope DCTR 2 will provide hooky radio hits that also capture the best parts of DC’s unique writing style.

    a wise ass song would rock.

    Yes- that’s why I like KOTN, which has a bit of that wise-assness (wise-assery?) to it. And to a slightly lesser extent, a few AH and Axium songs do too. But yeah, more wise-assery (or whatever) would be great :)

  165. I hope DCTR 2 will provide hooky radio hits that also capture the best parts of DC’s unique writing style

    I think we have a good chance of getting a couple. Didn’t Kelly Clarkson not really get any big hits until her sophomore album?

  166. On the other hand, with a solid hit and then another and maybe even another, even with an opening at 100K, the second album could shoot past platinum and push the first one to double-platinum. All of the sudden, now he’s become a ‘name’ , and he’s set up himself for Record 3 and beyond and a nice, long career as a major label artist. But, he needs the hit(s).

    That is what I’m hoping for. Just a big hit to put him on the map again. :)

  167. noctem, not gonna disagree with any of your points here. I know some fans feel that DC doesn’t need a hit song to keep making music, touring well, and keeping the hardcore fans happy, but I honestly hope for way more for him. I’m with you 100% that a solid hit with the 2nd album is necessary for DC’s longevity as a major label label artist. So here’s hoping ;). If not these Claude Kelly songs, then something else.

  168. On the other hand, with a solid hit and then another and maybe even another, even with an opening at 100K, the second album could shoot past platinum and push the first one to double-platinum. All of the sudden, now he’s become a ‘name’ , and he’s set up himself for Record 3 and beyond and a nice, long career as a major label artist. But, he needs the hit(s).

    I agree – and this is what I’d like for him, though I’d find a way of getting hold of his music, even if things went the other way, so long as he keeps putting it out.

    But anyhow, this is why I’m excited to hear about top collaborations and excited, positive tweets coming out of those sessions.

    I want to see Cook making the leap from moderate, under the wire, ‘quiet’ success, to established and widely known success and that will only come with a second platinum album and that, I firmly believe, will only come with a strong radio hit that expands awareness of him, beyond the current situation.

    At the moment he is too easy to overlook, alas.

  169. Who knows what will happen with Cook. I do believe that he has the potential to become a household name, however, it seems that RCA/19, sorta-kinda squandered that opportunity? I mean the guy did get great promotion,(well what I thought was great promotion then…), but imagine if they would have released, not one but two more singles? or done a sexy video for Barbasol? I keep hearing how visual AL is, but, Cook is incredibly photogenic, and works that camera , I will say better than Mr. L. His voice, according to what I read, may not be technically perfect, but he is a powerhouse, and one has to admit that he has a very sexy tone to his voice. Don’t get me wrong, I think Cook has done great this past year and a half. He is a serious musician, and has been kept on TV, and done great on his tour. I think he is doing very well.

  170. Just saw this intriguing tweet from Claude Kelly recording engineer
    “BengineerChang

    i luv REAL LIVE GUITARS!!! @ClaudeKelly Tommy Hendrikson & @thedavidcook was #fu#king awesome !!!! time for sum sunday football:)”

  171. i luv REAL LIVE GUITARS!!! @ClaudeKelly Tommy Hendrikson & @thedavidcook was #fu#king awesome !!!! time for sum sunday football:)’ 

    Okay, I gotta know. Who’s Tommy Hendrikson– was he in studio doing something with DC or just another artist they worked with besides DC on the same day? Secondly, live guitars without NEAL?! Blasphemy! I’m thinking these are demo’s though? I can’t lie, really hoping Neal plays on the new record!

  172. Yay for “real live guitars.”

    I want to see Cook making the leap from moderate, under the wire, ‘quiet’ success, to established and widely known success and that will only come with a second platinum album and that, I firmly believe, will only come with a strong radio hit that expands awareness of him, beyond the current situation.

    This would be great if it were to happen, but the market trends are against him AND every other artist (with a few very high profile exceptions). The 50th best selling album of the year sold 620K. At current rates of decline, that means that the 50th best selling album next year will clear gold. But not by that much.

    Personally, I’m hoping that the touring fanbase and LO purchasers are sufficient ballast against a) general Idol attrition, b) losing the CBTM fans (because I sincerely doubt that Cook OR RCA were satisfied with that song’s performance, which I trust means going in another direction), and c) losing the Rainbow fans. And by “sufficient,” I mean “kept enough of them to eventually go gold.” That and one strong (say, double-platinum) single should get him his “gentlemen’s third,” and I won’t project any further than that.

    The other thing he has in his favor? He knows how to describe what he wants, to producers, graphic artists, and all the various assorted personnel. So I think that the label can do more with a dollar for him that a lot of the roster. And as long as they profit, he’s doing okay.

    I want him to have the level of success that he wants, but I think it’s only realistic to note that they could do EVERYTHING right and still not have him become another KOL in the public consciousness.

  173. I want him to have the level of success that he wants, but I think it’s only realistic to note that they could do EVERYTHING right and still not have him become another KOL in the public consciousness.

    True – but from what he says, he wants to shoot for the moon…

    From a fan pov, I just want continued music, whatever level of success/fame/accolade he acheives. And that, actually, is the same with any band or musician I like. I just want music, whether they’re indie or on a major label; whether they sell platinum, gold or anything else.

    The difference with Cook is that pesky AI fan over investment: it makes me want a) him to have all the success he wants to have and b) for him to be recognised for his talents more widely.

  174. From a fan pov, I just want continued music, whatever level of success/fame/accolade he acheives. And that, actually, is the same with any band or musician I like. I just want music, whether they’re indie or on a major label; whether they sell platinum, gold or anything else.

    That’s me right here. Most of the people I listen to are not huge sellers. I just want him to do well enough to get to album number 3. Sell enough to keep that major label happy.

    The advantages going into round 2 is 1. Since he is a songwriter and has a strong band, his album can be done relatively cheaply, 2. He has a radio format that is open to him: no small accomplishment 3. He is a touring draw and 4. He has low cost/high impact promo available to him through his relationship with American Idol.

    Disadvantages are 1. His success is pretty low profile 2. He will have nowhere near the amount of hype this time as compared to last 3. He has no established relationship with the larger radio formats and 4. The normal idol bleed off.

    So I agree with Noctem that a hit song will help him balance out his disadvantages this time around, and make him more likely to sell enough to keep the label happy. If he went gold and had a solid hit (1.5 and up) backed up by one or two smaller ones accompanied by a successful tour I think that would be enough.

    Anything past that is gravy to me. I am holding my breath he gets at least that.

  175. ^^^Good post tinawina all the way around but to me this is indeed the most important of all:

    I just want him to do well enough to get to album number 3. Sell enough to keep that major label happy.

    If he can manage to do that with album #2, I’ll be happy with that. :)

  176. Gah, can’t believe I spent 3 1/2 hours watching the Redskins break my heart instead of hanging out here. I would much rather talk about David Cook :) .

  177. We are still getting tweets from the recording session here is one from the sound engineer:

    RT @BengineerChang: i luv REAL LIVE GUITARS @ClaudeKelly Tommy Hendrikson & @thedavidcook was #fu#king awesome!

    He gave permission to retweet this. So it sounds like it is rock music with guitars. This is really fascinating. I wonder what these guys came up with.

  178. ‘American Idol’s David Cook, rocker Ryan Star hang out at Kristen Farrell’s new swanky jewelry boutique in Soho http://bit.ly/4V8kY8‘ 
    can’t read the article since it’s subscript only. Farrell is apparently Ryan’s sister

    Maybe he can get some new jewelry to replace that black rose necklace.

  179. Ouch tierbee, don’t bring up football. Seriously, how many OT heart attack games can one defending superbowl champion team lose in a season? Sadz.

    Tinawina, I think you said it all right there. Obviously, I unapologetically like Cook’s music. (Never got to list my pre-DCTR faves, so throwing it out there…Stitches, Let Go, Searchlights, Makeover, Just In Case, On The Floor, Feed Your Ego, The Finish Line, Hold, Wavelength…) His writing just strikes a chord, and the concerts happen to kick ass, and the hottness and the funny don’t hurt, and the bromancey brotherhood of traveling bands totally is the cherry on the sundae, so here I am following his career. Yeah, more of that would be good.

    I agree with everyone else that a huge break out hit is logically the best way to ensure the label is happy which in turn enables me to get my grubby hands on more of that music that strikes a chord, music that will in turn be played in another kickass concert someday, kickass concerts that have the added benefit of feasting my eyes upon the hottness. Otherwise, do I really care that there’s a big break out hit? Not really. I think of all current bands I really dig, only Green Day, U2, The Killers, 3Oh!3 and FOB have managed huge crossover hits. Oh, and MCR maybe with Welcome to the Black Parade. And none of these bands save GD and U2 (and maaaybe the Killers) have ever gotten Gaga levels of ubiquitous Top 40 play. There’s some hip hop and rap that I dig that are mainstream uberpopular and sell huge, but I doubt Cookie’s gonna go gansta on us and start throwing down some sick beats. Times is hard for rock on CHR right now, but it’s still my favorite genre. Course, OTOH, aint gonna lie, sometimes, when I’m immersed in Idol discussion here, the whole “platinum sales!!111eleventy” thing seems more important that it should. Plus, Cook is a hardworking and talented guy, and in a perfect world, that should pay off with success and accolades. All that said, do I hope Cookie writes the next album with “big break out crossover hit” always in the back of his mind? Helll no. I dunno. I think if his brand of writing struck a chord in me, and y’all, then he should keep doing that, and if his stuff gets out there, somehow, with label support and touring, it will strike a chord in other peeps, and it will all work itself out. Hopefully. Which is why I am not a record executive. What a crazy business.

    Ceasing pointless babble to possibly contribute something useful to the discussion, I went and did a little google research on the name Tommy Hendrickson. The one round about connection to DC that I came up with is a bassist who once played in a band formed by the guitarist from Dokken who also happened to be in Steel Dragon, the fake band from the movie Rock Star. Doesn’t Cook like that movie? Also, that particular Tommy Hendrickson, if it’s the same guy, is definitely a rocker. And I do so love me some real live gee-tar.

    Oh, and big ups to Keel’s suggestion of bringing some swagger and some of the funny to the next album. Also the cheeky and raunchy of, say, H4T would not be a bad thing.

  180. There’s some hip hop and rap that I dig that are mainstream uberpopular and sell huge, but I doubt Cookie’s gonna go gansta on us and start throwing down some sick beats.

    Sunchick, I also sincerely doubt that he’d ever go gangsta, but as a fan of good rap/hip-hop, I have to admit that I’ve been having this fantasy of him doing a cool rap/hip-hop collaboration. I realize it’s not going to happen any time soon, if ever, and I also realize I’m probably in the minority, but I keep going back to the Feed Your Ego remix, and while the dude rapping was, IMO, just atrocious, the collaboration brought out something really cool in David. I could really see his hard rock voice wailing, coupled with someone who can really rap, being potentially really cool and interesting.
    Also, I’m of the school of thought where as long as he does well enough to keep making music and doing shows somewhere, I’ll be a happy camper. I’d like him to rule the world, music world and otherwise, but I’m not so invested in the idol mentality that I’ll rend my garments if it doesn’t happen. I fell for this guy for his voice – his artistic/narrative voice not necessarily his singing voice – so as long as I have music with that consistent thread, I’ll be listening.

  181. I have to admit that I’ve been having this fantasy of him doing a cool rap/hip-hop collaboration.

    LOL, I had the same thought — my brother’s a rapper (well, he’s kinda retired now, real life sometimes gets in the way of music dreams) and he did a really cool collaboration with a guy in a local rock band. Of course since I have to tie David Cook into *everything* — I have thought often, “Wouldn’t that be cool if he did something like this with some cool rapper?”

    I like Nelly… ‘cept when I think Nelly I think Nelly/Tim McGraw and the chorus of that damn song gets trapped forever in my head.

  182. Sunchick – out of all the posts on this lovely thread, I think I like your latest the bestest!

    crumbs- Twitter says Dave’s attending the Ryan Star/Script concert in NY tonight
    and here are some promo pix from Carrie’s special we haven’t seen yet
    http://bit.ly/4u7Vj6

  183. crumbs- Twitter says Dave’s attending the Ryan Star/Script concert in NY tonight
    and here are some promo pix from Carrie’s special we haven’t seen yet
    http://bit.ly/4u7Vj6

    Well, enjoy that one picture you see of their duet. That’ll probably be the only thing we see.

  184. Maybe he can get some new jewelry to replace that black rose necklace.

    Yes, please. New Year, new Cookie bling.

    Man, he’s wearing that THING in the T-shirt photos from the Carrie special.

    On the other hand, dressed-up Cookie — without black rose — looks mighty fine.

  185. Pam – thanks for posting that twitpic! It’s just one of Cookie’s usual funny faces, I think. Makes me even more curious about their session. And I’m staying optimistic about the duet.

    Twitpic of David & Ryan
    http://mypict.me/show.php?id=1VPR6

  186. Yeah, that’s a face we’ve seen before. Heh

    And a necklace we’ve seen before. Heh

  187. Cool beans. Stevie Van Zandt is at The Script/Ryan Star show with Dave:

    @DblJerseyGirl oh btw @thedavidcook has a guest mr. svz is here too.
    6 minutes ago from mobile web

    I love that friendship of theirs.

  188. rumor from twitter:
    [BUZZ] Reportedly [i.e. UNconfirmed], David Cook to be guest on 102.7FM NY Dec-7 (Mon) AM *stay tuned* | http://bit.ly/7AH9Wx

    ETA – that is indeed cool about Steve VanZandt being there at the concert with Cookie

  189. He wore the plastic rose necklace to a jewelry opening in uber chic Sodo. How completely fabulous is that? And I’ll bet he was the only one not wearing black clothes too.

    I love that he’s got the time and resources to be trying some new things for the next record. So many great idea in this thread, I can’t pick. That’s the interesting thing to me about Dave, he’s so versatile and I love every darn thing he does. Rockingout!Dave is my favorite Dave, so I’m hoping the next record won’t be quite as processed and homogonized as the first one was (by necessity) – a little more rocked up, more along the lines of how Dave and the band worked the songs out over the tour. And while for myself I tend to like the more complex songs that stand up to repeated listening, I would agree with those that have said that a couple of catchy, radio friendly rock songs would be an excellent idea at this point. Make Beleive has some potential in that regard (work on the verses Dave!). I’m sure we’d all be happy campers if bf had the next Use Somebody on DCTR2. I’m very curious to see where the piano driven elements fit in, it’s interesting in that regard that CK has a strong piano background. And yes yes, yes to playing up Dave’s wit and sense of irony in some of the new songs – an entire record of emo is a whole lot of emo.

  190. another poss Cookie radio interview coming up tomorrow –
    “Reportedly .UNconfirmed] David Cook to be guest on Mix 105.1 Dec-7 (Mon) AM *stay tuned* | http://bit.ly/56xUzx @thedavidcook”

    prob more Carrie Special promo, but hey another chance to hear the cool guy talk.

    and here’s a cool fan vid reviewing the Declaration Tour
    http://bit.ly/609g5I

  191. And a necklace we’ve seen before. Heh

    He has a 2nd necklace on that’s meant to look like the adapter thingie that we old timers used to play 45s (old vinyl singles) on a regular record player. Wonder if it’s one of Ryan’s sister’s pieces. It’s cool, anyway.

  192. A twitpic from today’s session here.

    Isn’t that face usually accompanied by something stuck up his nose? Like a pen? Hee. Love him.

  193. I would like to hear some three part harmonies on the next record. They have three fabulous voices in the band
    that blend beautifully, and harmony in rock music seems to be a little out of style at the moment. I guess there’s Weezer….

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