Chris Sligh's Blog Becomes A Hot Topic on the View

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On The View this morning, the panel discussed Chris Sligh’s recent blog post, that offered some tough advice to the Season 8 Idols.

After Chris’s blog entered the news cycle via a story in the New York Post, some bloggers thought his message was arrogant, rather than a message of tough love, others appreciated his honesty.

The ladies of the View were also split in their opinions.

Sherri Shepherd got that his message was meant to be constructive. Whoopie’s introduction was super sarastic and she cracked, “Is he Kreskin?” while rolling her eyes.   Barbara Walters figured that most of them would rather be famous, even if it was just for a short time.

Oh and lulz at Whoopie mispronouncing Chris’s name….

 
  • luvadamlambert

    I thought it was stupid but ymmv

  • luvadamlambert

    the YouTube isn’t there

  • Tony

    Chris is totally jizzing in his pants right now.

  • mgk

    Wow, Chris made Whoopie mad. lol Barbara completely missed the point of the blog. Sherri’s the only one who really got it.

    ETA: suebrody, were you talking about Jennifer Hudson? :)

  • Duke

    Who’s Chris Slay ?

    OHH- Chris SLIGH!

    I hate when people who don’t know anything about Idol talk about Idol. It bugs me. From an Idol enthusiast’s perspective, this was a waste of a topic. But good publicity for Chris, so that works for me.

  • alison8701

    Sherrie’s eye make up looks really pretty there.

    That’s what I got out of that video.

  • BestAI

    I look at it this way. How much do you think Sarver was making in the oil rigs? $60K/year? At worst, he may make $75K/yr after this year. Much easier than what he was doing before.

  • risalea

    Oh, Whoopi, you disappoint me. Slay? Seriously? I thought you were better than that. Barbara, her reaction was to be expected. It must have been a slow news day and they threw a copy of the blog at them at the last minute. Thanks, Sherri, for reading it through, and Joy, for saying it was a reality check. Cause it was.

    I would LOVE to see Chris on the show taking the girls on.

  • Susan M.

    Well, they were talking about it, good for Chris. And it did seem like Sheri was trying to get to the meat of what he was saying.

  • suebrody

    mgk
    October 2, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    Wow, Chris made Whoopie mad. lol Barbara completely missed the point of the blog. Sherri’s the only one who really got it.

    ETA: suebrody, were you talking about Jennifer Hudson? :)

    Damn, you’re good!

    I was thinking about Sarver the whole time…

  • Squirrely

    Chris is totally jizzing in his pants right now.

    I know!

    Whoopie seems hostile.

    Michael Sarver should seriously read that blog.

    ETA: I was liking Sherrie’s eye makeup too.

  • revcat

    When Sherri first started The View she came off as very uninformed (nice word for ignorant) but Sherri has improved immensely.

    (IMHO) It’s obvious Sherri does her homework and Whoopi does not. Whoopi has been winging it lately – I guess she thinks no one will notice and that all she has to do is show up and collect the money. I used to watch every day, but got tired of the “sloppy” commenting. *

    Kudos to Chris for his blog article and to Sherri for doing her homework. Oh yeah and to Barbara for mentioning Adam Lambert :) (Yes, I know Jennifer Hudson was also mentioned but she is no longer an AI newbie.) 8)

    *Seriously, Whoopi saying what happened to Polanski’s victim was not “rape rape”? But that’s off topic so will leave it at that.

  • josielord

    You guys are right, Sherri sure was trying but there was some cluelessness surrounding her (not Joy). I don’t think his blog was arrogant as some commented when he wrote it. I think it was an honest, no b*llshit assessment of their future prospects coupled with some good advice, based on the informed experience of one who’s been in their shoes.

  • becausehelives

    Michael Sarver should seriously read that blog.

    michael already has 800 songs written. so all he has to do is give Rascal flatts one or even Danny and if it’s hit , he gets on the same level with sligh.

    Whoopi was mad. sligh’s blog did come off as arrogant. cld have been worded better.

  • risalea

    michael already has 800 songs written. so all he has to do is give Rascal flatts one or even Danny and if it’s hit , he gets on the same level with sligh.

    Honey, if it was that easy, there would be a lot more successful songwriters out there. Michael would be smart to take Chris’s advice. He is obviously a hard worker…but it’s about working smart as well.

  • Tony

    Why does everyone keep mentioning Sarver?

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    Who Chris Sligh? and – what gives HIM the right to give tough love to any of the Idols anyhow? that is laughable -

  • butte009

    Obviously a slow news day…..

  • luvadamlambert

    um sumidol previous idol contestant season 6 thinks he’s a big deal

    the only thing that blog di for me was remind me how stupid fat and ugly Chris sligh Is.oh and hiw I neverrr liked him ….

  • CindyM

    Tony
    October 2, 2009 at 6:20 pm
    Why does everyone keep mentioning Sarver?

    Because Sarver has been emotional for the past couple of days because he’s losing twitter followers. That’s why people are mentioning it, he’s not taking the lack of attention and adulation well.

    I apologize. Maybe that’s why everyone is unfollowing me but trust me I haven’t forgotten u guys.
    8:34 PM Sep 26th from Echofon

    So like I have lost 28 followers in two days. Hmmmm! Where is everyone going?
    9:21 PM Sep 25th from web

    There’s more about people in his town betraying him, etc.

  • Natasha

    This is the most publicity Chris Slay, I mean Sligh has had in years.

    Sounds like Sherry got the point he was going for but Whoopi wasn’t having it.

  • Crayonas

    This guy was always arrogant. This isn’t new, his blogs are always like that. I remember him making fun of other kids from his season. And there is nothing constructive about ~I’m the 2nd or 3rd most successful from my season and you WILL be a failure like X, Y and Z, but you should listen to me because ~I recently put out a critically-acclaimed album! His words, not mine.

    uh, no. And LOL at all the mistakes he had to fix after posting. Sorry to say, but Blake sold more than him. Hell, I think Melinda sold more than him and the guy is crazy enough to say “she isn’t doing much”. Well, if he sleeps better at night because of it, you go girl!

  • TwigLA

    Chris Sleigh (sorry, I had to do that) ummmm, Sligh, did seem pompous and arrogant in his blog article. But he also gave out a heavy dose of reality and straight forward good advice to prepare them for the days, weeks, months, and years ahead.

    Sherri gets it, Barbara is clueless, Whoopie seems to need to be confrontational and I’m glad I don’t have to watch this show. :) I’m glad I didn’t hear their opinions on Polanski and what rape is. For a women’s opinion show, I would go ballistic if I heard any one of them discount ANY rape victim or child molestation victim.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    I’m not sure I agreed with Sligh’s blog entirely, which I stated before. He dismisses other Idols for not working as hard as he does (like Lakisha), when I have to say, they have different situations. She got married, had another baby, still managed to put out an album, and had a role on Broadway. I think Sligh said she was doing nothing except breeding (my term). I’m happy for his success, but I can see why Whoopi would roll her eyes at him. He may be successful, but he’s not even a name she could pronounce. LOL. If he’s so quick to define what success is, Whoopi can do the same.

  • revcat

    the only thing that blog di for me was remind me how stupid fat and ugly Chris sligh Is.oh and hiw I neverrr liked him ‘ ¦.

    I haven’t followed Chris’s career but I did read his blog when it was linked to this site. I’m glad he is doing okay as a song writer and I think his advice is sound. I think it’s a very good season indeed if even 4/10 of the top ten idols make a living wage in the business after the tour.

    Still, that’s no reason to give up the dream for those who are willing to work hard and hawk their wares from door to door, bar to bar, whatever it takes…this is what Chris said in a nutshell.

  • Hazehel

    I don’t think his blog was arrogant as some commented when he wrote it. I think it was an honest, no b*llshit assessment of their future prospects coupled with some good advice, based on the informed experience of one who’s been in their shoes.

    Actually the more I think about it, the more I think that Chris Sligh’s intention was less than honest, more of an act of shameless self-publicity, in fact I would say that I’m tending to think that he is possibly quite dishonest, cynical, and manipulative. There are a few things that I’m not sure of, so I won’t say that I think this assessment of him is most probably true, but I really don’t have a good opinion of him.

    I think Chris Sligh is quite aware of how things work in Idol fandom, and uses this knowledge to get himself whatever publicity he can get. I was looking into the album sales things because he claimed that he sold more albums than most of Season 6 (and 7). He compared his own sales number accrued over a much longer period with those of only a couple of months, and then used his own unofficial sales number to bloster his claim that he sold more records. The official Soundscan number we know of him is only 15K, yet he is claiming to be doing better than others whose official Soundscan numbers are many times higher (for example Melinda Doolittle or Phil Stacey). He is claiming he has sales of 60K+, but he has no idea what the unofficial numbers of other idols are. There is a deliberate sleight of hand in the way he used the numbers which is really quite dishonest.

    There is also the curious thing with the sales numbers from Idol Chatter – for a while, Ken Barnes for some reasons started adding extra unofficial sales numbers from Christian shops to some Idols (I think mainly Chris and Mandisa), and I suspect Chris is the person who was behind this little shenanigans that bolster the public perception that Chris’ album sales is higher than what is official (Ken Barnes I think did mentioned Chris as the one who helped in some ways, but I can’t be bothered to go through all his old posts to check). If you look in wiki Idol album sales page you will see that Chris’ number is higher than he should if based solely on official Soundscan figures. Chris certainly knows how to shift things subtly and dishonestly in his favour.

  • suebrody

    I always thought Sligh was overrated, and I still do. Good for him for making it as a Christian (and country?) rock sing/songwriter, but I am not sure that he is the one who should really be giving ppl advice. And to put down some Idols as the expense of the others…not cool, Chris, not cool.

  • cookcricket

    Haven’t read all of the comments, but I have to say, yay Sherri Shepherd, she got it!!! Also good on Joy, yeah, it was a reality check. Baba Wawa, Adam wasn’t part of those he addressed…or Jennifer, as Sherri said. Sherri, nice job.

  • cookcricket

    michael already has 800 songs written. so all he has to do is give Rascal flatts one or even Danny and if it’s hit , he gets on the same level with sligh.

    You know, this made me remember something, because I’m kind of pulling for Michael Sarver. I recall at one point that Danny mentioned that Michael had a song that he was going to take for his own. I hope that Danny is pulling for his friend now and following up on that idea…for some reason I think Michael could write some songs that would fit country so here is the opportunity for him.

  • BS Detector

    Hazehel

    Your post sounds vaguely familiar, I’ve heard something very close to this somewhere today? Hmmm…let me think about where I’ve seen this very same post. It’ll come to me and I’ll get back to you.

    Whoopie lost all credibility when she said that what Polanski is being charged with wasn’t “rape rape”. WTH is that supposed to mean? I wasn’t aware that there were different ‘types” of rape? Rape is rape sister, period!!! And look if you’re going to do a story on someone read the freaking story beforehand, at least know how to pronounce his name. Lame truly.

    If you read Chris Sligh’s blog in it’s entirety which apparently Sherri did hence the reason that she understood the message, you will find the basis of the post nothing but cold hard truth. You may not approve of his delivery and consider him arrogant, blunt, oh and if you are lacking a great deal of IQ points I suppose you can resort to 3rd grade names and throw in fat & ugly, (very original BTW, I’m sure he’s never heard that). Regardless doesn’t change the message. He’s been at the music game for years, AI wasn’t his first gig. Anyone who has tried to break into the music business knows that nothing short of an enormous amount of luck and a miracle will land you the kind of break that will get you closer to becoming a success. His advice is spot on.

    As far as him being guilty of self-promotion, duh, he’s in the music business, it’s what you do people! Depending on how you define success Chris is finding success. He’ll never be a superstar and he’s realistic to recognize that and still find a way to make a living doing something he enjoys. Eh, leave him alone, it’s his blog he can write what he likes.

    Don’t shoot the messenger just because you don’t like the message, especially when the messenger is credible.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    I was revolted by Whoopi’s reaction to the Polanski situation, but what does it have to do with her opinion of Sleigh? ;-)

  • BS Detector

    Nada, but since the topic was being thrown around thought I’d address that too!

  • Crayonas

    Don’t shoot the messenger just because you don’t like the message, especially when the messenger is credible.

    Credible? LOL Since when and who said he’s credible? Considering he has to lie about himself and put down others to feel better about his career I really don’t think he’s credible. And we don’t have to leave him alone, he isn’t a 5yo kid (I hope). He’s posting BS on the internet. Everybody can comment on it and call him arrogant.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    I think Sligh needs to wait and see if any other songs he writes for peeps make their albums and become hits before he starts buying into his own hype again. The lyrics he tweeted that he and Phil came up with were terribly trite. Not that it matters sometimes. Most times. LOL.

  • BS Detector

    Wow Cryonas, fired up much? Just curious did you read the blog or is this fighting for fun? BTW it wasn’t considered BS by alot of people, particularly people actually in the music business. But hey voicing your opinion and not having to agree with others is what makes this country and the Internet great. So you voice yours and I’ll voice mine. The post IMO was spot on.

  • cookcricket

    Sounds like Sherry got the point he was going for but Whoopi wasn’t having it.

    Yes, but Sherri got the last word. :)

    ETA: Oh someone posted Sleigh and now I know how Whoopi messed it up, it’s igh as in light Whoopi. Not eigh as in eight.;)

  • cookcricket

    I think Chris Sligh is quite aware of how things work in Idol fandom, and uses this knowledge to get himself whatever publicity he can get.

    Sorry I’m posting so much. However, his blog would not be receiving this publicity if other outlets weren’t bringing it into the public eye.

    ‘“ for a while, Ken Barnes for some reasons started adding extra unofficial sales numbers from Christian shops to some Idols

    I didn’t realize that cd’s had to be sold in other places than Christian shops to be considered official. So I guess no “official” money changed hands?

    He may be arrogant to some extent, but I find it hard to believe he’s dishonest and only posted his blog for publicity.

  • Kirsten

    There is also the curious thing with the sales numbers from Idol Chatter ‘“ for a while, Ken Barnes for some reasons started adding extra unofficial sales numbers from Christian shops to some Idols (I think mainly Chris and Mandisa), and I suspect Chris is the person who was behind this little shenanigans that bolster the public perception that Chris’ album sales is higher than what is official (Ken Barnes I think did mentioned Chris as the one who helped in some ways, but I can’t be bothered to go through all his old posts to check).

    Chris Sligh had absolutely nothing to do with Ken Barnes doing that. He started doing that with Mandisa who had a CD out long before Sligh.

    If you look at SS numbers for Christian artists from week to week, you start noticing that there is something up with them. It has something to do with the fact that most Christian CDs are sold through Christian Bookstores which do not have SoundScan scanners. So, they are reported or projected in a different way (I’m not sure how). You could see it right away with Mandisa because she’d sell say 17K her first week and the total would be 10K. The next week, she would move another 8K and the total would be 14K. The numbers don’t add up. So, Ken took to adding up the numbers sold from each week and would report 25K. That’s why they are different from SS numbers. Then, every once in a while he’d get in direct contact with the distributors (which neither Chris Sligh nor Mandisa control) and get a report on the number of CDs sold.

    Christian artists are a classic case that the RIAA can point to when saying they certify on shipments rather than SS numbers because SS numbers overall miss 10-15% of sales (except for digital sales). If I buy a CD at the local bookstore, mini-mart or hardware store, it’s not being counted in the totals. Even many small record stores do not have them.

    As if Ken Barnes would mess up his journalistic integrity to make Sligh look good.

    Actual Soundscan numbers for Mandisa:

    Rank Artist Album UnitsSoldThisWeek IncreaseInSales TotalSales
    Week1: 43 MANDISA – TRUE BEAUTY 17,140 999 9,098
    Week2: 88 MANDISA – TRUE BEAUTY 8,214 -52 13,893

  • JOJOSIE

    I think Chris had the right message just maybe the wrong delivery. Too much of a downer and not much of a motivator. I read a while back that George Huff, a season 3 finalist, said he’d made at least $100.000 a year since Idol and that was more than he ever made before. Lots of others are doing that too, like Justin, Kimberly Caldwell, Mandisa and the list goes on. I’m sure most contestants are doing better since Idol and like Chris not too many will be superstars but with a focus and hard work they may get to stay in the music business in some form.

  • BS Detector

    cookcricket

    True his blog wouldn’t be receiving any publicity if other outlets weren’t talking about it. This isn’t the first post he has done on AI or AI contestants, this is just the 1st one that caused a stir. I think it caused a stir because clearly there is a ring of truth to it for people in the music business and those trying to break into the music business.

    You could negate every mention of AI and just look at the nuts and bolts of the post which was essentially, learn all about the business you are trying to be successful in, surround yourself with people who support you and will be “real” with you, work, work, and work some more, network with people in your field, be proactive, spend way below your means, save for the future.

    None of this is rocket science, it’s good sound advice for anyone starting out in any kind of business. Since he’s in the music industry and has lived through the AI experience he has a different perspective of what happens after the AI tours end and fans forget you. He’s right. How many top 10 AI contestants over the past 7 seasons have found true success?

    As far as what success he’s found so far, he hasn’t done that bad, he did write a hit single for RF that netted him by all accounts somewhere around a million dollars, not a fortune but not a bad payday either. He’s been nominated for 2 Dove Awards which in the Christian music industry is considered not too shabby, he was also recently nominated for 2 Grammys. He has several records on hold with major recording artists and plays I don’t know upwards of 500 concerts a year. This is all easily fact checked on the internet.

    Oy, anyway, lots of drama over a fairly benign blog post from a 10th place AI contestant.

  • luvadamlambert

    yes I Do think Chris sligh is arrogant and if he wantedto get a message across there are many other ways he coul do that.the way he did it by bragging about himself(how many ppl actually know who he is?) and putting down other ppl(um,NO) and saying he was (I’m paraphrasing so ignore if I’m wrong)in the top 3 or top 5 of season 6 and 7??!!!!!!! reeeealllly? facts need to back that up.and stop bragging and focus on your damn message.IMHO his whole blog was shit.

    so …:/lacking a great deal of IQ points I suppose you can resort to 3rd grade names and throw in fat & ugly, (very original BTW, I’m sure he’s never heard that

    YEP THATSSSSSSS ME!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

  • luvadamlambert

    noooooo I absolutely 100% agree with the message the way it was presented I hte it.

    anyway bs detector somthing we agree on

    Oy, anyway, lots of drama over a fairly benign blog post from a 10th place AI contestant.

    :D(thumbs up )

  • Mitla96

    Not in ANY way defending Polanski, but the point she was trying to make over Joy Behar’s braying was that Polanski had made a plea bargain after serving 45 days in prison for psychiatric evaluation in which he pleaded guilty for having sex with a minor. The judge, facing re-election, back pedaled on the plea bargain THAT HE, the JUDGE HAD SIGNED and was going to throw the book at Polanski. This is when Polanski fled to France.

    The other issues in this case, was, the girl’s mother left her with Polanski, basically hoping he would cast her in a movie. Also, Polanski, while certainly knowing the girl was under age, was not aware that she was 13.

    There is a great HBO documentary about the Polanski case that shows the grey areas in this case. So, I agree with Whoopi that you have to be very careful if you are saying Polanski pled guilty to rape. He never did.

    Like it or not, there are some grey areas in rape. What if a 13 yr old girl has consensual sex with a 17 yr old boy? Is it statutory rape? Yes, according to most laws, because the age difference cut-off is 3 years.

    Anyway, back to topic, I was glad to hear Barbara Walters say Adam Lambert’s name.

  • BS Detector

    Mitlaw96,

    You make a good point. I think I was more offended at Whoopie’s delivery. She sometimes gives the impression of not really knowing her subject matter prior to giving an opinion.

    I was actually shocked that BW was mainstream enough to know who Adam Lambert was, good for her.

  • cookcricket

    BS Detector, you’re absolutely right. I mentioned this blog to my husband, who does music and he just hasn’t had a chance to read it yet.

    Chris is spot on. :)

  • maracaibo

    I think Sligh must feel pretty damn important after watching the ladies of the View talk about his blog. Talk about publicity. The most he will have ever anyways.

  • Hazehel

    Chris Sligh had absolutely nothing to do with Ken Barnes doing that. He started doing that with Mandisa who had a CD out long before Sligh.

    I can accept what you said about Ken to be true, I could have misremembered something he wrote. But the thing is that Ken did not put out a separate number for Soundscan and one with Christian numbers added until some time after Chris Sligh released his album. At least that’s how I remembered it, what’s the earliest date you have of the extra Christian numbers?

    Christian artists are a classic case that the RIAA can point to when saying they certify on shipments rather than SS numbers because SS numbers overall miss 10-15% of sales (except for digital sales). If I buy a CD at the local bookstore, mini-mart or hardware store, it’s not being counted in the totals. Even many small record stores do not have them.

    The thing is that the numbers are unofficial, and the unofficial numbers simply should not have been added. It is the reason why when we argue here about numbers, we don’t say for example that Taylor Hicks sold a million even if it is certified platinum. Chris Sligh did not sell more than Melinda Doolittle or Phil Stacey as far as official record goes. We may never know their actual numbers, they could be have been much higher, and the only way we can compare their numbers honestly is with another official number.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Mitlaw96, except the prosecutor later said he lied in the documentary.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-09-30/polanskis-lost-alibi/

    Besides, I don’t think you can argue with a rape call when you give a 13 year old girl champagne and qualudes and then have sex with her. I’m sorry. That’s rape. I see no gray area, and I’m one of those people who does look for gray areas. Also, he wasn’t 17. He was in his 40s. He’s a sex offender and pedophile.

    Back to Chris, I don’t have so much of a problem with what he said, but how he said it. He really dismissed his fellow Idols, without even knowing what they were up to. That’s pretty sloppy blogging. I think he’s buying into his own hype again.

    I actually think he’s talented and wish him well.

    Chris Sligh did not sell more than Melinda Doolittle or Phil Stacey as far as official record goes. We may never know their actual numbers, it could be have been much higher, and the only way we can compare their numbers is with another official number.

    I hear Corey Clark sold more out of the trunk of his car, but they don’t count either. Damn that soundscan! ;-)

  • BS Detector

    pj

    That certainly paints a much different picture.
    With regard to Polanski that is ;)

  • sidewalkstory

    Chris Sligh’s blog was honest and to the point. If it were worded differently, no one would have noticed it.

    I also give Cris credit for speaking out on Adam’s behalf when the Westboro Baptist Church freaks were protesting against him.

  • cookcricket

    I can’t help but think that Chris may have stated his accomplishments to validate what he was saying. Otherwise people would be saying, why is he giving advice to others? Oh wait, they are saying that and not looking at his accomplishments. Hmmm, oh well, izzzz good he’s getting this publicity. Go Chris!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    I can’t help but think that Chris may have stated his accomplishments to validate what he was saying. Otherwise people would be saying, why is he giving advice to others? Oh wait, they are saying that and not looking at his accomplishments. Hmmm, oh well, izzzz good he’s getting this publicity. Go Chris!!!!

    I could buy that if he actually looked into the accomplishments of his castmates and gave an honest appraisal. ;-)

    Lakisha just had a baby, but not much going on on the music front.

    No matter that she did put out an album and had a stint on Broadway. I see he added a disclaimer after the fact (not about her particularly), but dude is obviously not paying attention to peeps in his own season and is writing about their success or lack of it without all the facts.

    He’s also a liar or incredibly stupid if he didn’t think this would make the rounds of the interwebs. He backtracks:

    ETA: A lot of people have asked me why I wrote this blog. Honestly, I didn’t realize that it was going to get as much interest as it already has by outsiders. I figured my blog readers would read it and I’d try to pass it on to the other top 10 Idols from this year through some of the guys I’d met from this season. The reason I wrote it is because I genuinely want for the Idols to read it, heed it and do well. Not everyone is trying for a career in the fashion I’m pointing out here…if the Idols want to do Broadway or acting or anything other than being a pop (inclusive of rock, r&b, etc) performer, this article/blog entry isn’t for them…

    I know he’s web savvy (hi Dave!), so I call falsehood about not knowing that this would cause a stink. Riiight. :-( Sorry Chris.

    ETA: I don’t care if Idols are asshats, but be a genuine asshat, okay?

  • Kirsten

    At least that’s how I remembered it, what’s the earliest date you have of the extra Christian numbers?

    Idol Chatter – August 29th, 2007 (when Chris Sligh was still on tour and months before he released an album):

    Mandisa falls 122-129, selling 5,000 for a total of 36,000. (Here’s the deal on the screwy sales total I quoted last week. For technical reasons of some sort, SoundScan’s cumulative sales totals don’t include Christian bookstore sales on Christian-oriented albums. However, the weekly totals do include them, so I can keep a running total going that will be, when rounded off, accurate. Which I shall strive to do henceforth.)

    The thing is that the numbers are unofficial, and the unofficial numbers simply should not have been added.

    They are the weekly official numbers for SoundScan (as shown in my post before). All Ken is doing is adding the weekly numbers together. The official numbers that SoundScan has on their official report. He’s not making the numbers up.

    Chris Sligh did not sell more than Melinda Doolittle or Phil Stacey as far as official record goes. We may never know their actual numbers, they could be have been much higher, and the only way we can compare their numbers honestly is with another official number.

    I suspect the Idols know how much they sold. I’m sure it shows up on their royalty statements. We are just trying to look inside a black box.

    I don’t even know what Chris is claiming. I just know that Ken wasn’t do his bidding by jacking up numbers.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Also, I think Babs had a good point about Jennifer Hudson. If she had been in his season, Sligh would have dismissed her. It took her a few years.

  • cookcricket

    Apparently Jennifer Hudson did what needed to be to done to be a success. Hmmm, she may be even nodding her head at what he’s written. Or is there something I just don’t know, and the movie role just fell into her lap? Chris probably is making more than Lakisha and no other blog he has written has hit like this one before so why now? And why did he think this would happen.

    Chris wrote true things about reality and for some reason the media doesn’t approve.

  • Calliope

    Also, I think Babs had a good point about Jennifer Hudson. If she had been in his season, Sligh would have dismissed her. It took her a few years.

    And not only did her success take some time, it was initially through acting, which he kind of dismissed in that addendum you posted. Jennifer was able to achieve a lot because of that, including a record deal and awards.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Chris probably is making more than Lakisha and no other blog he has written has hit like this one before so why now? And why did he think this would happen.

    Chris has had a few blogs that have stirred the Idol fans. This isn’t the first. He knows what he is doing.

    I have no idea how much Lakisha makes. I’m not particularly invested in her, per se. But he dismisses her so casually without even thinking about what it might be like to be trying to have a family and a career at the same time. Talk about hard work! Does he expect her to tour in dive bars like he does? To me, a stint on Broadway and a self-released album makes more sense for her.

    Again, if he doesn’t know what’s going on with his own castmates, how can he consider himself the cream of his season’s crop?

    And not only did her success take some time, it was initially through acting, which he kind of dismissed in that addendum you posted. Jennifer was able to achieve a lot because of that, including a record deal and awards.

    Exactly. I think he’s a little quick to judge and a little too self-involved. I’m not saying his premise of hard work isn’t valid, but duh. I think that’s a given and his blog was mostly self-agrandizing, not advice.

  • http://www.fatladysings.us TFLS

    I never thought I’d ever agree with Sherri Shepherd over anything (the world is flat? Come on honey ‘“ you can do better than that!)….but she did her homework here. Chris did offer up his opinion on how to extend those 15 minutes. I don’t like him, nor necessarily agree with him….but he does more than just play Kreskin as Whoopie suggested. At the very least he calls for former Idols to open their eyes and honestly look at their situation. I made a living in Professional Theatre for all of my adult life. I know how hard it can be. You have to work hard, have the requisite talent and posses the hardened skin of a rhinoceros.

    As for Whoopie….. Girl! What on earth has happened to you of late? I’ve always been a fan but…..damn! You didn’t even bother to pronounce Chris’s name right. And what was up with that defending Polanski thing? It wasn’t rape-rape? ?????? Gotta say you lost me for good on that one ‘“ as in permanently. Anyway ‘“ like others before me, I don’t want to derail the thread – so I’ll leave off…..but ‘The View’ seems to be suffering from extreme lack of leadership these days. Time for Barbara to shake things up once again, I’m thinking.

  • Grammie Kari

    Chris gave some good advise, but I felt he came across self-centered.

  • Hazehel

    Idol Chatter ‘“ August 29th, 2007 (when Chris Sligh was still on tour and months before he released an album):

    Well, it doesn’t make sense, so you made me go back and look through some old posts of Ken’s, and this is one I found –

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2008/06/51925132/1

    The Chris Sligh numbers came from his publicist today (or at least I saw them today): total sales for the album this week were 1,473, 1,000 or so of which were from non-SoundScan accounts. His total from SoundScan and non-SoundScan accounts is 14,560.

    So I didn’t misremember (well, not completely anyway), Chris Sligh’s numbers came from his own publicist. That can’t be right, can it? I don’t remember any other case of sales figures in Idol Chatter coming from a singer’s publicist, is that any other?

    It means that Chris is likely directly involved in inflating his own numbers in Idol Chatter, it also means that he knows what goes into his Idol Chatter numbers is not official numbers of any sort. And no, I don’t think Chris knows the numbers of other idols, Soundscan or not Soundscan. As far as Soundscan numbers go, as I understand it, it costs a lot of money to have access to the full Soundscan database, and very small labels normally only get the numbers for their own artists which would be much cheaper.

  • justjude

    Hmmmm,….small chuckle!! Whoopie….way over the top reaction. Sherri’s was more realistic.
    I read his blog that night for the first time and I, also kind of thought he sounded a little pompus. I remember him as the rather sweet, chubby, kid with a nice voice. I re-read it, and I think he just comes across that way, but overall was quite sincere about giving good advice of what will happen to most of the 1-5 rankings if they are not smart about how to promote themselves, or what people they can trust, and just how hard they will need to work to achieve enough success to pay for this tough business, and to make a living at it.
    The thing is, there are a number of idol contestants that are making a living at music, in varying degrees, and each has done it without Chris’s sage advice, and in their own way. He does make some good points, but it should be pointed out that he has had very poor success in mainstream pop, but has been making a living primarily in Christian music, and so a limited audience. He “is” living his own dream. He has worked hard for a smallish following.

    Anyway I continue to…Chuckle. that dude just gave himself a major marketing spike with that controversial little bit of idol advice!!!!
    Hope it helps!!!!Hee!!!!

  • Kirsten

    So I didn’t misremember (well, not completely anyway), Chris Sligh’s numbers came from his own publicist. That can’t be right, can it? I don’t remember any other case of sales figures in Idol Chatter coming from a singer’s publicist, is that any other?

    Ken (or maybe it was Brian) also spoke with Mandisa’s people to get more accurate numbers. I can’t remember exactly when, but I’ve seen a post updating us on her numbers and Ken/Brian saying it was from talking to her people. I just don’t see anything nefarious going on here. The simple fact is that a lot of Christian CDs are sold at bookstores that don’t have scanners. The artist gets paid for those. That’s what matters to the artist in the end.

    The fact that Mandisa and Chris are in the same format and Ken/Brian treat their numbers in the same way (and get updates from their people) indicates to me that exceptions aren’t being made for Chris.

    Soundscan. As far as Soundscan numbers go, as I understand it, it costs a lot of money to have access to the full Soundscan database, and very small labels normally only get the numbers for their own artists which would be much cheaper.

    Yep, that’s exactly what they do. SS access is expensive as new Idol fans find out each year to their dismay. Although, I imagine most people in the industry have a friend of a friend who can get them a few stats if they don’t bug them very often. Remember, USA Today doesn’t have access to the SS database, but they manage to produce numbers every week. They aren’t trolling the internet for leaks. I don’t know where Brian gets his, but Ken definitely mentioned that a friend was getting them for him. I just don’t think it’s outrageous to believe that somebody in the industry might have more access to numbers than us.

    IDK. Chris may not be as successful as he thinks, but he did write a number one country song (with some cross-over success) and that’s nothing to sneeze at. His singles for his album did fairly well on CAC (I know that “Arise” went to top 10) and CAC airplay moves a fair number of albums. So, I believe he sold some in Christian bookstores. He’s probably downplaying the success of a few of the others a bit, but he’s definitely had more success than many.

    LOL. I don’t even like the guy. I’m just in it for the numbers.

  • Hazehel

    Ken (or maybe it was Brian) also spoke with Mandisa’s people to get more accurate numbers. I can’t remember exactly when, but I’ve seen a post updating us on her numbers and Ken/Brian saying it was from talking to her people. I just don’t see anything nefarious going on here. The simple fact is that a lot of Christian CDs are sold at bookstores that don’t have scanners. The artist gets paid for those. That’s what matters to the artist in the end.

    Since we have no idea what those with small independent labels do to sell their albums (for example, what specialist shops they may sell in), I think it is odd to give special treatment (yes, it is special treatment) to Chris or indeed Mandisa. The numbers are skewed and distort any kind of comparison. This is only my very vague recollection speaking, so may not be entirely trustworthy, but I think it was mentioned that numbers from Christian shops were discontinued and no longer available anywhere, is that true?

    Ken appeared to have access to the full database, whereas Brian only the BB200 (which by the way you can get from the internet, albeit a day or two late, mainly via some guy in UKMix. I posted one in the numbers thread because Brian didn’t do it this week). He can only get the numbers outside BB200 via special request and so far has only done it once as far as I can tell, meaning it is not easy to get them.

    I just don’t think it’s outrageous to believe that somebody in the industry might have more access to numbers than us.

    Well, if Chris does indeed have access to the numbers in some ways (and I do seriously doubt that he has), the best way to resolve this controversy would be for him to release those numbers so he can justify the claims he made. That way we can satisfy our craving for any tidbit of Idol sales news (yes, I really really want to know how many albums Michael Johns has sold), and it’ll stop me from thinking him dishonest.

  • JP

    Whoopie is an idiot. It doesn’t seem she even read the entire blog. And I agree that she at least could’ve asked how Sligh’s name is pronounced before butchering it on the air. She increasingly comes across as the ignorant, uneducated woman that she is.

    I appreciated Sligh’s blog for its tell-it-like-it-is honesty. I found it an interesting read actually.

  • Kirsten

    Well, if Chris does indeed have access to the numbers in some ways (and I do seriously doubt that he has), the best way to resolve this controversy would be for him to release those numbers so he can justify the claims he made.

    That would be kind of dick move if you ask me. IDK, I read his blog a while back and it seemed to me that his point was that it doesn’t really matter where you finish, it matters what you do with what little fame you garnered. He simply used himself as an example. The dude who barely got on the tour and is most likely remembered only for his Teletubbies comment (if at all). Did he puff himself up a bit? Sure. It’s Sligh we are talking about here. But, his fundamental message is that the person who comes in 10th isn’t doomed to be the 10th most successful Idol of his season. If he’s really only the 5th most successful Idol of his season (instead of the 2nd or whatever he claimed), then his point still stands. Heck, it still stands if he’s the 9th most successful (which, he’s got to be doing better than that).

    Releasing the numbers, if he has complete numbers (rather than having just talked to so-and-so and they said they sold around 20K or whatver), to prove his claims would just be kind of mean, IMO. Maybe it’s just me, but one doesn’t go around listing facts about how one is more successful than one’s friends (friend one’s house only costs $600k and they bought their car on credit while friend B does own his car, but his house is only worth $580K). It’s one thing to say that out of all your friends, you’ve been the most successful (kind of boasting and not really the best etiquette), but entirely something else to lay out the facts.

    That way we can satisfy our craving for any tidbits of Idol sales news (yes, I really really want to know how many albums Michael Johns has sold), and it’ll stop me from thinking him dishonest.

    Well, it might stop you from thinking he’s dishonest, but I can tell you that many people in the Idolsphere will still think he’s dishonest and accuse him of making up the numbers. Unless he gives us all money so that we can get our own SS accounts, he will still have people who will think he’s lying. That’s just the way it works. Even Ken and Brian have been accused of making up the numbers (or purposely under-reporting one Idol to make another look bad. And this is just with the SS numbers, not even the Christian numbers which are reported in a different manner).

    Perhaps I am gullible in believing what Ken and Brian write on USA Today, but at some point, I have to believe something. Their numbers have been backed up by other sources (e.g. BB articles, press releases and leaks from other sources). If they are willing to buy what the publicists were saying, I will too until it is proven to be false.

  • Hazehel

    Maybe it’s just me, but one doesn’t go around listing facts about how one is more successful than one’s friends (friend one’s house only costs $600k and they bought their car on credit while friend B does own his car, but his house is only worth $580K). It’s one thing to say that out of all your friends, you’ve been the most successful (kind of boasting and not really the best etiquette), but entirely something else to lay out the facts.

    Er, no, it would be exactly the opposite with my friends. Friends would tell each other what their house, car, etc. are worth, eveyone would know the numbers, the facts don’t need laying out, but they would never claim they are more successful than their friends. That is something implicit, and someone could seriuosly lose their friends if they make such claim, it just put people’s noses out of joint. Chris became a dick when he dissed other contestants in his season (and Season 7) by loudly (and I do think falsely, unless there are facts to prove otherwise) proclaimng his own success over the others. The offence lies with the claim, and the only way he can get out of this is to show that what he said is actually true.

  • luvadamlambert

    ughhhhhhh I hate him……..

  • Kirsten

    Friends would tell each other what their house, car, etc. are worth, eveyone would know the numbers

    I agree. That’s why I think that he knows what their numbers are. They told him. He certainly knows what his numbers are.

    But they are all friends. While he’s been kind of dickish so far, he’d be a mega-dick to post on his blog what his friends have told him in confidence. Just as you or I would be if we posted on a blog read by strangers what our friends were worth or all their secrets.

    We are strangers to Chris. He has no right to tell us what his friends have privately told him. If the other Idols want to post their totals, that’s one thing. If we get them through official channels, that’s fair game. But, private correspondence between friends should stay private, IMO. Even if people are calling you a liar if you don’t spill.

  • Tess

    First…I think it is offensive that Chris thinks people are so naive that they need his advise…especially when it is so specifically directed and that he uses examples from people he has minimal if any contact with.

    One person’s definition of success is not another persons. I can understand where Chris is coming from but I think his blog should have been directed to those still waiting to audition for Idol and he could have done without the references to past idols.

    I don’t think people are as “unenlightened” as Chris seems to think they are…and what worked for him isn’t neccessarily what will work for someone else. And everyone defines success differently, whether it be monatarily or just gratification. And I would hazard a guess that many Idol top 10 finalists were after the “big one” and are now content to just have singing a little side light in their life.

    Personally, I don’t think someone like Megan will care if she ever does an arena show again. I think that she would just like to earn enough to keep her small family going and will use what networking she has been able to establish to keep her toe in the game. And as far as season 7s cast….other than Ramiele, they have all kept going in the music field, including Chikeze, and they all seem pretty happy for what they have.

    I know that when Chris first showed up on Idol that he turned me off big time…he just seemed to puff himself up like a marshmallow and always spoke as though he “knew” more than anyone else. And people that comment on their own looks all the time, like he does, really have a bad self image, IMHO. I think he thinks he “knows” it all and that he needs to be the knowledgable Professor. Nope, I ain’t buying what he is selling.

  • SpenserJ

    Exactly. I think he’s a little quick to judge and a little too self-involved. I’m not saying his premise of hard work isn’t valid, but duh. I think that’s a given and his blog was mostly self-agrandizing, not advice.

    I’m going to go with PJ on this. I think Chris’s expert “advice” was filled mostly with common sense. He wasn’t telling anyone anything new. And, his comments about his own success did indicate to me that the guy could use a dose of humility.

    Chris knows exactly how his AI related blog posts are received. He’s been in the center of this particular storm several times before. That’s why he’s the king of backpeddling & clarifying. He always needs to amend and edit himself for some reason.

    He seems like a nice guy, and a hard worker. Obviously, the song he wrote for Rascal Flats was quite successful, so good for him. The blog post was kind of dickish to me, and the point where it became that way was when he tried to rank himself in relation to his castmates and those of other seasons. His mistake was in using that little numbering system at all. He could have made his legitimate points without trying to keep score.

  • sanfrangirl21

    I am a huge Idol fan, but my preference is country music. Carrie was my fav Idol and I remember HOW difficult it was for Nashville to accept her. Remember the Faith Hill beef? and Carrie WON Idol…. SO gorgeous and talented…and she still had to prove herself – that she “wasn’t just a game show winner”…. I remember reading several times about various reactions of other big country stars to the fact that she came off Idol and “didn’t belong”. I would say that Chris Sligh’s comments are spot on. He lives in Nashville and probably knows alot more than some of the reactors are giving him credit for.

  • CFIdolsfan

    Chris Sligh did not sell more than Melinda Doolittle or Phil Stacey as far as official record goes. We may never know their actual numbers, they could be have been much higher, and the only way we can compare their numbers honestly is with another official number.

    The last info I have on how much Phil Stacey sold, as far as his country cd, is 66,000, and was reported, if I remember correctly, by Ken Barnes from USA Today’s Idol Chatter, before Brian Mansfield took over. They may have increased some due to his doing the AI8 blog. I still don’t know how much he has made so far with his new cd, but I don’t think he is doing too badly. While I appreciate Chris being honest and realistic, he did coms across as somewhat negative to me. And like SpenserJ said, I’m not sure I like that “numbering system” he used, either.

  • iluvai

    Tess
    October 3, 2009 at 12:23 pm
    First’ ¦I think it is offensive that Chris thinks people are so naive that they need his advise’ ¦especially when it is so specifically directed and that he uses examples from people he has minimal if any contact with.

    One person’s definition of success is not another persons. I can understand where Chris is coming from but I think his blog should have been directed to those still waiting to audition for Idol and he could have done without the references to past idols.

    I don’t think people are as ‘unenlightened’  as Chris seems to think they are’ ¦and what worked for him isn’t neccessarily what will work for someone else. And everyone defines success differently, whether it be monatarily or just gratification. And I would hazard a guess that many Idol top 10 finalists were after the ‘big one’  and are now content to just have singing a little side light in their life.

    Personally, I don’t think someone like Megan will care if she ever does an arena show again. I think that she would just like to earn enough to keep her small family going and will use what networking she has been able to establish to keep her toe in the game. And as far as season 7s cast’ ¦.other than Ramiele, they have all kept going in the music field, including Chikeze, and they all seem pretty happy for what they have.

    I know that when Chris first showed up on Idol that he turned me off big time’ ¦he just seemed to puff himself up like a marshmallow and always spoke as though he ‘knew’  more than anyone else. And people that comment on their own looks all the time, like he does, really have a bad self image, IMHO. I think he thinks he ‘knows’  it all and that he needs to be the knowledgable Professor. Nope, I ain’t buying what he is selling.

    This is what I meant only much better written. Thanks Tess!

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    I don’t care how much of a dick he is if he produces music I like. I just hate the fakety fake. Sligh, come on! Don’t act like you are shocked your comments caused a stir. That’s what you were after. Don’t lie.
    And yeah, I still hate that he dismissed Lakisha so quickly. Dude needs to do his research before claiming he’s the best evah.

  • CRB

    Sligh is correct. The vast majority of top ten touring Idol contestants from all eight seasons are essentially “nobodies” again. Is the season eight group going to be the exception, the group that rewrites the odds of being successful in the music/entertainment industry. I doubt it.