Idol Headlines for 12/28/09

2009 In 60 Seconds: Relive Lady Gaga’s Breakout, ‘New Moon’ Fever, More

At least that’s how MTV News’ Jim Cantiello sees things, and he should know, because he spent the year summing up just about every major event ‘” from the inauguration to “American Idol” and the VMAs ‘” in, you guessed it, 60 seconds or less.

On TV, “Project Runway” crashed, and Jay Leno dropped an atomic bomb on prime time when his five-nights-a-week talker sizzled for a few days and then flopped faster than an “American Pie” sequel. But the big news, of course, was “American Idol, ” where new judge Kara DioGuardi didn’t totally ruin the show (but didn’t really add anything either) and sometimes made it run way over schedule. The soft-spoken kid from Arkansas, Kris Allen, won out over season-long favorite Adam Lambert, the flamboyant crooner who has since announced the obvious (he’s gay), shocked middle America at the AMAs (think men on leashes, man-on-man kissing) and beat his rival on the Billboard charts. Oh, and loopy judge Paula Abdul left the show, announcing her departure on ‘” wait for it ‘” Twitter, of course.

MTV.com

Fans ready to see Simon Cowell go

Simon Cowell is leaving “American Idol” — but does anyone really care?

Although Cowell’s departure comes at a critical time for the show — “American Idol” has been steadily losing viewers since it hit its peak in the first weeks of Season 6 in January 2007 — the news, oddly enough, has barely caused a ripple in the online “Idol” universe.

NY Post

Kelly Clarkson tops Christmas week Idol airplay

With holiday music in full swing and radio stations not really making decisions about which songs to add and which songs to drop until next week, there’s not much to read into this week’s American Idol airplay chart. Kelly Clarkson’s Already Gone remains an easy Number One, with nearly triple the airplay of the Number Two song, Kris Allen’s Live Like We’re Dying. (Kelly, by the way, says she recorded a version of I’ll Be Home for Christmas as a present for her mother and she hopes to post it for her fans sometime.) This week, we’ll let the Mediabase airplay numbers speak for themselves.

USA Today

More Idol Headlines after the JUMP…

Adam Lambert: Super Skincare!

Adam Lambert and a pal pick up some skincare products at Ole Henriksen Skincare in Los Angeles on Sunday (December 27).

The 27-year-old entertainer will be performing for New Year’s Eve, but unfortunately, you’ll have to see him live to watch him! He recently tweeted, ‘unfortunately Gridlocked NYE will NOT be filmed/televised/streamed. It’s a LIVE event only. Hope to see you there!!’ 

Just Jared

10 most important works of the decade: No. 4, American Idol

I asked Kris Allen, the 2009 American Idol, why people like the show so much.

“I think the beauty about American Idol is that it takes people that they can relate to, that maybe acts like a friend of theirs, or has the same job or something like that, and makes them into rock stars or country stars or pop stars, ” said the 24-year-old from Conway, Ark.

Toronto Star

2009’s most popular reality TV stories and shows

As 2009 draws to a close, here’s a look back at the most popular pages on reality blurred over the past year, as determined by the popularity of individual stories and show-specific archive pages.

While Marcus Lehman’s penis was the most popular story last year, it was curiosity about what Adam Lambert does with his that was this year’s most read story on reality blurred. In fact, four of the top five stories were about what reality TV stars do with their penises, so while accusations I’m crotch-obsessed may be true, I’m in good company with the rest of the world.

Reality Blurred

CUP: Country Stars, Racers Team Up Again

The Fifth Annual Sprint Sound & Speed Presented By SunTrust is scheduled for Jan. 8-9 in Nashville, with a lineup that includes Dale Earnhardt Jr., Tony Stewart, Kyle Busch, Greg Biffle, Denny Hamlin, Kasey Kahne, Carl Edwards, Clint Bowyer, Michael Waltrip and other NASCAR stars.

On the evening of Jan. 8, there will be live country music shows on the historic Opry’s Ryman Auditorium stage at 7 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. Featured performers will include Hank Williams Jr. (9:30 p.m. show only), Danny Gokey, Jason Michael Carroll (7 p.m. show only) Chris Young, a special performance from NASCAR’s Kyle Petty and his band, as well as addition artists t/b/a.

Speed TV

Danny Gokey sings at Lambeau

GREEN BAY – Milwaukee-native Danny Gokey sang his way into the hearts of millions of viewers on American Idol this year. Sunday, people put their hand on their hearts while he sang the National Anthem at Lambeau Field. Gokey is on a promotional tour for his soon-to-be released first album. His first single, “My Best Days are Ahead of Me” is already available online.

“It’s just a great reflection of where I’m at in my life, ” Gokey said in an interview with FOX 11. “I really feel like a lot of people knew me on the show through the tragedy that I went through and it was a rough time in my life. But I kept the right focus and something good came out of something so tragic.”

FOX11

Bucky Covington helping re-open Nashville’s Hard Rock Cafe

Bucky Covington will play a concert benefiting the Arthritis Foundation’s Tennessee chapter Tuesday at Nashville’s Hard Rock Cafe. Bucky’s concert is part of a series of shows leading up to the venue’s grand reopening. Bucky also will take part in the Hard Rock’s Guitar Smash reopening ceremony Wednesday morning, then he’ll play a New Year’s Howlin’ Eve show for 93.1 The Wolf in Winston-Salem, N.C.

USA Today

Top stories in 2009: Growth, hope in a grim year

Giraud goes far on American Idol

Few had heard of the smooth-sounding, piano-playing crooner’s name before 2009.

But by the end of the year, Kalamazoo’s Matt Giraud won national fame by placing fifth on American Idol.

The hometown singer, who graduated from Western Michigan University in 2007, went on to perform in a 52-city tour with the other finalists from the hit Fox TV show, which included a stop at Van Andel Arena in Grand Rapids.

Giraud also is busy writing songs for a hopeful record deal.

But even with his acclaim this year, Giraud still turns up in Kalamazoo, like at a Western Michigan University football game or Monaco Bay, the dueling piano bar where he used to perform before his run on American Idol.

MLive

Year in Review: top 10 albums and concerts

3 Melinda Doolittle, Coming Back to You (Hi Fi Recordings): What’s so great about Melinda Doolittle? She’s real. She’s soulful. She’s grown up. Put that together and you get a gloriously old-school R&B album that was all but criminally ignored. Somebody give her the attention she deserves.

10 Adam Lambert, For Your Entertainment (19/RCA): Love him or loathe him ‘ and it seems as though there’s an equal number in both camps ‘ the button-pushing American Idol runner-up made a super-fun, glam, pop-rock-dance CD bursting with pipes and personality. Now he needs to stop talking and keep singing. MARIO TARRADELL’S TOP 10 CONCERTS

Dallas News

A revamped ‘Dreamgirls’ hits Heinz Hall

“It was like ‘Boheme’ at La Scala, ” director Robert Longbottom said by phone last week, just as “Dreamgirls” made its way to Baltimore before the national tour hits Heinz Hall tomorrow. “If there was a piece of musical theater that belonged at a specific venue, it was this. It really was thrilling.”

Q: Syesha Mercado as Deena, the girl who is elevated for her looks rather than her voice, is part of a young cast without a lot of musical theater experience. Was there a purpose in casting newcomers?

A: Syesha comes with a lot of skill and raw talent, but she hadn’t played a lot of parts. I prefer that because for all of the high-tech side of “Dreamgirls, ” the performing side has to be absolutely naturalistic and raw. It’s a musical where you really need to live through these feelings. There are very few actors who can really turn that on in a manufactured way and be convincing. And if you’re just starting out and you’re passionate, the best thing is to really play it and feel it, which is another reason it’s so exhausting for these ladies. It is not only for stamina that I think they need to be young, but for the pathos of the piece. This is a universal story about those days, those early friends we make that we never replace, the heartbreak of losing some of them and finding redemption later on.

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Rage Against The Machine campaigners deny Cowell job offer

The duo responsible for the campaign to make Rage Against The Machine’s `Killing In The Name’ the Christmas number one have denied that they received a job offer from Simon Cowell.

Tracy and Jon Morter began a Facebook campaign to stop The X Factor winner’s song from reaching the festive top spot because they were tired of the Cowell’s dominance on the Christmas charts.

Cowell told the Daily Mirror: “I offered them jobs at my record company.

stv.com

ETA:

American Idol Top personal ‘Idol’ interactions of 2009

I took a genuine break from the blog world the past few days. I hope you all enjoyed your break, too.

So here are my six most notable personal interactions with ‘Idol’  this past year:

– Running into Anoop Desai at the Amos Lee concert. This was the most random ‘Idol’  moment of the year for me. It was just two weeks after Anoop was elmiminated from the show on May 7. I was walking down the concert aisle and a friend of mine said, ‘Isn’t that the guy from ‘Idol’?’  We followed him to the concession stand and yes, it was Anoop. He was in town to see some friends and was a big fan of Lee. We talked briefly and got our pictures taken with him. But surprisingly, he got to sing ‘Crazy Love’  with Lee during the encore, a song he was familiar with from his college singing group.

AJC.com

Adam Lambert, Lady Gaga Big Draws For New Year’s Eve Shows

Adam Lambert may have been dropped from “Dick Clark’s New Year’s Rockin’ Eve With Ryan Seacrest, ” but the pop star just announced he’s got a new gig to ring in the New Year. But if you want to see him play as the clock strikes midnight, then you’d better buy your tickets. The show isn’t going to be televised.

Lambert is set to play the annual Gridlock New Year’s Eve concert in Los Angeles. The show will be hosted by Pamela Anderson. Lambert has been billed as the night’s headliner and a Web site for the event notes that Lambert will perform at the stroke of midnight. Kevin Rudolf is also tapped to play the New York-themed bash, which will be held on the Paramount Pictures Studio Backlot.

MTV

Happy 19th Birthday, David Archuleta!

Happy 19th birthday, David Archuleta! It seems like just yesterday you were 18. Wait, you were 18 yesterday. Anyway, if I could give David Archuleta just one birthday gift, it’d be the gift of year-round Christmas. Because really, David kind of already makes it feel like Christmas all year, right?

David Archuleta birthday bonus: Watch “A Little Too Not Over You” and “Crush.”

MTV

About mj santilli 33688 Articles
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485 Comments

  1. Love your article about Simon, MJ! It was spot on. I hope he gets to read it!

  2. Love your article about Simon, MJ! It was spot on. I hope he gets to read it!

    Yes, MJ, great article and I totally agree with all the comments you quoted. Simon has definitely disrespected the show with his dress, attitude and bored, sullen demeanor. Good riddance, in my opinion!

  3. Excellent article MJ. Thank you for saying what so many have been thinking. I do hope that the idol powers-that-be read it! :)

  4. This would be a great guest list ‘“ imagine the conversation

    http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/12/27/963338

    Loved their line about Adam. Lol – I know that’s part of what I love about him :-)

    Adam Lambert has found the key to superstardom by simultaneously mesmerizing and offending audiences. Yet he still remembers that his music is what got him here in the first place.

  5. Oh, hey, thanks for quoting me in that article, mj

    Ha ha! Thank you for writing my article for me ;). I quoted a few of you there. Heh.

  6. Oh, hey, thanks for quoting me in that article, mj

    Ha ha! Thank you for writing my article for me . I quoted a few of you there. Heh.

    LOL – that was awesome! I feel vicariously famous for reading posters’ quotes in that article, MJ ;-)

  7. Happy Birthday David Archuleta!

    He may have been the runner up on American Idol’s 7th season, but with an angelic voice and mega charm, David Archuleta is still a chart-topping winner in our eyes! He even released a Christmas album Christmas from the Heart and just finished his holiday tour! Today, David Archuleta celebrates his 19th birthday. Happy Birthday, David!

    Fun Facts about David:
    – David was shy and a loner throughout middle school. It wasn’t until high school that he came out of his shell.
    – Before a show David likes to drink Throat Coat, an herbal tea that tastes great and gets him ready to perform.
    – David performed a super cute duet with his mom Lupe at one of his Christmas tour stops! See them sing “Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas” here!

    J-14

  8. Happy Birthday Archie! :)

    thedavidcook: # Happy Birthday to you, Mr. @davidarchie. One step closer to 30.
    about 9 hours ago from web

    Hee. Dave doesn’t know much. Just wait till he turns 30. :P

  9. Happy Birthday Archie!

    A very happy birthday wish goes out to American Idol runner-up (but winner in our hearts) David Archuleta!

    The supersweet singer turns 19 today!

    Pop Star! Online

  10. Now if Simon would find interest again, and actually listen the contestants singing’ ¦

    Yes – this is one of my biggest problems with his attitude (and the judges in general). They would make jokes with each other without any consideration to the actual singers performing. It was downright disrespectful.

    Do they realize that what we tune in to is the talent on stage, not the childish antics behind the judges table? What keeps me in love with this show, what made me fork over hundreds of dollars on tour tickets and itunes downloads and cds, was Adam and Kris and Allison, and David Cook, and Daughtry – not Simon or Paula or Randy.

    That, imo, could be the show’s great downfall. One of the overwhelming complaints last season was too little time spent on the singing, and too much time for the judges to yammer away incoherently. Hopefully they’ll get back to what the show is all about next season: watching a great musical moment on stage.

  11. I like simon a lot and think that it would be a big loss for the show if he leaves. I do agree tho that he has seemed somewhat disinterested over the past few years. I frankly think that flying between la and london every week is too much for any person

  12. the news, oddly enough, has barely caused a ripple in the online ‘Idol’  universe

    Simon is going to be around for this upcoming season. Why bother talking about something that will happen a year from now?

    If the show is supposed to be about the contestants’ singing, like so many people here post about, then Simon’s departure shouldn’t matter one iota.

  13. Very good article, MJ, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. It’s a great counterpoint to the usual “Idol couldn’t exist without Cowell” articles. You wrote things that need to be said and I think it’s a breath of fresh air to see those comments in print. Well done. I hope it inspires other writers to look at the matter with an open mind and not assume that Simon’s leaving is a death knell for the show.

  14. I like Simon too, and I’m not sure if AI will survive without him. I’m a sometimer with the show anyways so I don’t really care one way or the other. Probably won’t watch until the finale, if then, of the upcoming season anyway.

  15. I object strenuously!!!!!! I would never “plead” for anything from Simon. I might snark at him. I might chide him. I might even grumble in his general direction, but never plead. LOL. ;-)

  16. I am actually sick to death of American Idol and wish it would go away, but without it, I probably never would have heard of Kelly, Carrie, Archie, Adam, etc…a big part of my music collection!

  17. I am actually sick to death of American Idol and wish it would go away, but without it, I probably never would have heard of Kelly, Carrie, Archie, Adam, etc’ ¦a big part of my music collection!

    Me too… but my collection is a little lighter than yours. I’m mostly done with the over invested fans, obviously bored judges and bad renditions of Whitney Houston songs.

  18. Heh, I don’t watch much TV and especially have a tough time finding stuff I can watch with the kids so I’d miss Idol if it was gone. Plus it brought me David Cook so I’m grateful. Hell, it brought me a lot of music… my iPod is loaded with Idol music. I think Simon definitely has been off-putting with his boredom lately, so we’ll see what this season brings.

    I’m mostly done with the over invested fans

    Honestly, you wouldn’t know they existed if you weren’t on message boards (or went to shows). I entertain my sister with stories and she can’t believe it. For lots of folks, Idol is on TV, and Idol ends there unless they buy a CD or two.

  19. I object strenuously!!!!!! I would never ‘plead’  for anything from Simon. I might snark at him. I might chide him. I might even grumble in his general direction, but never plead. LOL. ;-)

    Heh heh. Sorry for using tabloid-speak on your quote!

  20. Honestly, you wouldn’t know they existed if you weren’t on message boards (or went to shows). I entertain my sister with stories and she can’t believe it. For lots of folks, Idol is on TV, and Idol ends there unless they buy a CD or two.

    So true. After 8 seasons, this is the first and probably the last season I’ll follow any of these folks outside the show – other than buying CDs. I enjoyed discussing and watching the rise, but watching some of the back and forth between fans leaves me wondering sometimes.

  21. I’m mostly done with the over invested fans

    Honestly, you wouldn’t know they existed if you weren’t on message boards (or went to shows). I entertain my sister with stories and she can’t believe it. For lots of folks, Idol is on TV, and Idol ends there unless they buy a CD or two.

    That is so true. My friend’s and family only know about the ‘underground idol’ stuff because I tell them what I hear from the blogs and what not. It cracks me up when people make comments about over invested fans because they are obviously one too.

  22. IMO, the saddest thing (And I hope I’m wrong) S9 will be more about the judges than ever!
    I know a lot of people will be watching AI S9 just to see Ellen making fun of the contestant while Simon insults them. It feels like is almost a reality show based on the judges opinion more than a singing competition looking for new artists.
    Hope next year, after Simon departure, the show focus into looking for new artists base on their talent, not into making the judges bigger stars than what they are now.

  23. It cracks me up when people make comments about over invested fans because they are obviously one too.

    Nah… the over invested fans are the ones that don’t see the forest for the trees. This season has definitely been an eye opener.

    If Simon leaves then I don’t think there will not be an Idol. Personally I think it has just about run its course. I’m probably not alone in thinking this.

  24. I totally agree with mj on Simon’s casual /dismissive non-verbal behavior on the show. ( looking bored, odd facial expressions prior to delivering his comments, not paying attention, worst wardrobe award)

    Remember when Megan Joy stated she was uspset he was not paying attention so that is why she went right up “into his face” and the panel’s faces during her “farewell” song. And another idol(s) (can’t remember who) in some article agreed with Megan about how insincere they thought it was that Simon/Paula could not pay attention to them for one and a half minutes, as they had worked hard on their song prep and this was their “life on the line”.

    Those thoughts resonated with me as I was thinking the same thing. Watching the judging whispering/talking to each other while the contestants were performing was beyond “rude”. Hey, we all want things to at least be perceived as being fair and contestants being shown courtesy.

    On a more cheery note: Simon may not have had his eyes always glued to the performers –but many of us did!

    As we wait for the New Year to hit–a trip down memory lane with Adam. Part 1 –Top 10 memories of 2009 . Hopefully we will get a Part 2
    –Noticed this youtube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAKTDFfLLaE

  25. realbrookewhite: @DavidArchie you’ve had a birthday shout hooray, we want to sing to you today,one year older and wiser too…happy birthday (clap) to you :)
    5 minutes ago from web

    Aww, Jim Cantiello signed Archie’s group card…

    Happy birthday David!! Promise I won’t make you sing your next pop album to all of the MTV staff once it hits stores. But I will interview the heck out of ya! Can’t wait to hear your new music, mate!

    Cheers,
    Jambajim at MTV News

  26. Great article MJ! I also think Simon was more of a distraction than anything else last season. Hopefully now his playmate is gone, he will concentrate a little more on this performers (wishfull thinking). I personally don’t think it will be a bad thing if they replace him with someone else.

    Also, for anyone who is bored with AI, there is a simple solution, don’t watch it.. I really enjoy AI and would miss it if it went off the air. I still think there are plenty of us out there who look forward to it each year.. I have been watching the show since season 3 and am always excited to see what talent is out there.

  27. Speaking of Simon, here he is with his man-boobies on vacation in the Caribbean’ ¦

    ummm….how lovely. Heh

  28. Also, for anyone who is bored with AI, there is a simple solution, don’t watch it.. I still think there are plenty of us out there who look forward to it each year.. I have been watching the show since season 3 and am always excited to see what talent is out there.

    Yep. Same here. My least invested season so far has been S6, when I didn’t really have a fav, and hardly voted at all, but even then I enjoyed the ride, liked the weekly chance to see what everyone would do, what the theme week would be, who would bomb or shine. Good stuff.

  29. I agree Mary102.. Season S6 was also the one that I was very meh about.. However, S7 & S8 really made up for it. I can’t wait to see what S9 brings. Maybe a girl will win this year, you never know..

  30. If anyone wants to join the twitter trending party and tweet Happy birthday to David Archuleta, just tweet:

    #HappyBdayArchie

    Mj- great article. I agree completely. Who cares!

  31. Season S6 was also the one that I was very meh about.. However, S7 & S8 really made up for it. I can’t wait to see what S9 brings. Maybe a girl will win this year, you never know..

    I’m almost hoping for an S6 repeat for me – my health can’t afford another S8 ;-) Way too much drama (thank you, Mr. Lambert!)

  32. I guess I feel Simon has more Machiavellian tendencies than some of you guys seem to think. It seemed obvious to me that when certain contestants — who he didn’t particularly want to see get votes — performed really well, he would derail the positive comment coming that person’s way by creating a distraction. Literally interrupting the comment. Using up the time, or changing the subject. Playing with Paula’s dress, whatever. I don’t think he was merely bored. He never did this stuff during judges’ comments for his favorites. I think he’s extremely quick and clever, and manpulative.

  33. I think he’s extremely quick and clever, and manpulative.

    The mark of a good TV producer and the workings of modern media.

  34. Until this season, I was included with the fans that were done with Idol when the show concluded. I never gave them another thought until next season. I never followed any of the blogs (or knew they existed), entertainment news, didn’t even have a Twitter account, never heard of a cellcast, etc. I would also venture to say that that’s the vast majority of Idol watchers.

    I get mad at Simon from time to time, but most of the time I think he is honest in his critiques. I’m sure he has favorites…he’s human…but for Simon the bottom line is $$$$’s and who he thinks can make money. It’s also sometimes kinder to be cruel and speak the truth to contestants–they don’t have a prayer of making it in the music business–than to keep encouraging them. Encouragement is their family’s and friend’s jobs, not Simon’s.

    I will miss Simon when he leaves, but I do think that AI will last a few more years. Again, it’s about money. As long as it’s the top rated show and bringing in advertising dollars, it will stay on the air IMHO.

  35. I really enjoy AI and would miss it if it went off the air. I still think there are plenty of us out there who look forward to it each year.. I have been watching the show since season 3 and am always excited to see what talent is out there.

    Me, too. For all its faults, it’s great television, and it’s something the whole family can watch together. I’m one of those folks who loves the show for what it is, a cheesy karaoke contest. I’ve never actually watched it to discover new music. I’ve never even voted. Kris is my favorite winner and I did buy his album, but I’m not going to stop watching AI. It’s my guilty pleasure.

  36. ross, very good point. He was definitely quite disparaging about both Allison and Kris throughout most of the competition (especially early on). And when Lil started disappointing him, he similarly threw her under the bus to seemingly break her spirit with a lot of negativity.

    Ahh, no real surprise that the judges try to manipulate the outcome ;-) I don’t think anyone here would doubt he wanted an Adam/Danny finale, whatever way he could hope to make that happen.

    Of course, he’s got to know by now that as often as he winds up helping someone, he actually hurts them instead (e.g. Archie’s “knockout” from last year, which galvinized a lot of Cook fans to vote more strongly for him…unless of course that was his plan all along – Ahhh – Simon and your manipulation!!)

  37. blockquote>Of course, he’s got to know by now that as often as he winds up helping someone, he actually hurts them instead (e.g. Archie’s ‘knockout’  from last year, which galvinized a lot of Cook fans to vote more strongly for him’ ¦unless of course that was his plan all along ‘“ Ahhh ‘“ Simon and your manipulation!!)

    Oh I have no doubt he knocks people inorder to get them votes, or overpraises people to get sympathy for the other person. He’s played this game a while, and besides, he’s just a very good manipulator.

    He wants competition, as I think he has said. That makes for what he believes is a good show. I thought he said he didn’t want Adam-Kris as a finale because they were too non-competitive and friendly. He wanted blood.

    And Mary102, I'm not sure he was all that disparaging to Allison or Kris, early on — maybe Anoop got the most actual disparagement. he just never seemed to praise them enought at times to suit their fans.

  38. I’ve watched Idol off and on since the first season, but never cared if I missed a show and never voted and never bought any of the music or followed the post-idol careers — until this last season. I will be following Kris’ and Adam’s careers for a long while, I’m sure. I don’t really care about AI9, although I’ll probably watch a little to see if anyone interests me. No one that MJ has profiled so far really stands out to me, but considering lots of people have improved as the competition goes on, I have some hope that I’ll find someone I like. But I doubt I’ll become too invested — worrying about Kris & Adam takes up too much of my free time as it is!

    As for Simon, I’m more than ready to see him go. He’s bored with the show and he tries to manipulate the viewer’s votes way too blatantly. He used to be blunt and honest — now he doesn’t really pay attention unless it’s one of his favorites and he’s replaced blunt with nasty too often for my liking. You can be blunt and honest without ripping people apart, but Simon seems to have forgotten that.

  39. Sadly if the contestants think Simon is harsh, then they have an awakening in the music industry. My only beef is the public humiliation that can spawn from this… other than that.. this is what they signed up for. I don’t think one contestant auditions without seeing at least one season they know how it goes down.

    I too think that in some cases it is a necessary evil. There are many contestants that are clueless as to how inadequate they are as performers. Sometimes it IS kinder to be cruel. I certainly don’t have an ounce of most of their talents, but for some… whoa, don’t give up your day job.

  40. It will be very interesting to see if AI will last after next season.

    I got to where I would literally click to another channel last season when Paula and Simon’s antics became so ridiculous. (Of course, then I would get pulled into another show and click back only to find I had missed someone I’d wanted to hear – augghhh. Frustrating.)

    Although I often appreciated both Simon and Paula’s comments to the contestants (sometimes, I admit, my interest in Paula’s comments was akin to: “Will she or won’t she make sense tonight?”), I really HATED how increasingly weird, cringe-worthy, and central their interaction with each other became last season. (The Seacrest/Simon “banter” – equally unentertaining, to me.)

    For me, AI gives too little time to viable contestants singing, way too much time to antics and repetitive and/or meaningless comments.

    If I hadn’t liked Adam so much last season, I would’ve watched fewer episodes.

    I think the continuation of the show depends less on which judges stay/go but on whether or not the show gets back to the contestants. Isn’t that what most people tune in for or is it the other stuff?

  41. Sadly if the contestants think Simon is harsh, then they have an awakening in the music industry. My only beef is the public humiliation that can spawn from this’ ¦ other than that.. this is what they signed up for. I don’t think one contestant auditions without seeing at least one season they know how it goes down.

    I too think that in some cases it is a necessary evil. There are many contestants that are clueless as to how inadequate they are as performers. Sometimes it IS kinder to be cruel. I certainly don’t have an ounce of most of their talents, but for some’ ¦ whoa, don’t give up your day job.

    The issue with Simon was he ripped apart some extremely talented people for no good reason. Kris and Allison are just 2who clearly are talented but Simon wasn’t interested and he would rip them apart at the drop of a hat (Final 4 week and the Kris/Danny duet comes to mind immediately). But there are also some who just never got a shot because of him. Ricky Braddy was extremely talented but didn’t Simon call him boring? Jesse langseth was extremely talented but Simon hated her song choice so she didn’t have much place to go. And that’s just Season 8. Season 7 he also got behind Archie, and Cook somewhat, but he used many opportunities to rip up at Jason Castro. And Season 6 his Melinda blinders really hurt her, IMO.

    Somtimes it is important to be cruel so someone isn’t humiliated too extremely going forward. Simon just takes it much too far.

  42. He used to be blunt and honest ‘” now he doesn’t really pay attention unless it’s one of his favorites and he’s replaced blunt with nasty too often for my liking. You can be blunt and honest without ripping people apart, but Simon seems to have forgotten that.

    Sadly if the contestants think Simon is harsh, then they have an awakening in the music industry. My only beef is the public humiliation that can spawn from this’ ¦ other than that.. this is what they signed up for.

    I agree, koshka. But what about when we, the audience, don’t like seeing people get ripped apart? At least I don’t. There’s a better way to say someone isn’t dressed well than: “What is it you’re wearing? You look absolutely horrible.”

  43. I was happy to see one of the comments under the Adam/LadyGaga New Year’s Eve article said that they had tried to get tickets for one of the $3000 super tables but they were all sold out. :)

  44. The issue with Simon was he ripped apart some extremely talented people for no good reason. Kris and Allison are just 2who clearly are talented but Simon wasn’t interested and he would rip them apart at the drop of a hat

    IMHO the use of “extremely” talented is going a little far. The chances of these two names being on anyone’s lips two years from now are slim. YMMV.

  45. As we wait for the New Year to hit’“a trip down memory lane with Adam. Part 1 ‘“Top 10 memories of 2009 . Hopefully we will get a Part 2
    ‘“Noticed this youtube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAKTDFfLLaE

    This is FABULOUS!! It totally did bring back so many memories. *sniff,sniff*
    I am now looking forward to Part 2. Thanks for sharing, stampsgal. :)

  46. I don’t think there was a contestant who Simon hadn’t both criticized and praised during Season 8. I think sometimes the judges do play games and AI is much a test of mental endurance as well. I didn’t like the way the judges tried to make Alexis, Lil, Anoop and Matt change their styles,IMO those four would have done better if they ignored the judges.

  47. For me… the whole show is not about the performers, its about making good tv. This show is no different than any other reality show.

    For this past season Simon was less cruel and more disinterested. The ‘less favorite’ contestants, in my view, got off easier than in seasons past.

  48. IMHO the use of ‘extremely’  talented is going a little far. The chances of these two names being on anyone’s lips two years from now are slim. YMMV.

    Talent has nothing to do with who’s on people’s lips two years from now.

  49. ross
    12/28/2009 at 2:19 pm
    IMHO the use of ‘extremely’  talented is going a little far. The chances of these two names being on anyone’s lips two years from now are slim. YMMV.

    Talent has nothing to do with who’s on people’s lips two years from now.

    Talent or no talent – it won’t happen. Again YMMV.

  50. IMHO the use of ‘extremely’  talented is going a little far. The chances of these two names being on anyone’s lips two years from now are slim. YMMV.

    We have no idea where any of these people willbe in 2 years – when Kelly Clarkson one, we had no idea she would become such a force on the Pop/HAC scene. Ditto for Carrie and Country after she won. So we have no idea where Kris, Adam, Allison, Danny or any of the others will be in 2 years and who will remember them or why.

  51. spring2009

    Depends on what you mean by names being on people’s lips. Kris and Allison will likely still have their record deals 2 years from now, and Kris at least will likely be on the charts somewhere. Same thing with Adam. But that doesn’t mean any of them will be huge stars or be getting a lot of media coverage.

    No one knows if any of the Idols will be at the top of the charts or getting a lot of media coverage two years from now. Got to figure Kelly and Carrie, given their track records, have the best chance at this.

  52. I think that Kris has a very good chance of being around for a long time. I’m hopeful for Allison but at the moment things aren’t looking too high for her (hope that changes!). But as with anyone in the entertainment business, a lot can happen–good or bad–in 2 years time.

    I have watched the season over again several times (Kris’ performances) and without seeing the judges’ critiques of the other contestants, I’m able to be a bit more objective than I was during the live shows. Actually Simon was very complimentary of Kris on numerous occasions. I’m thinking especially of the night he and Paula didn’t get to comment (Falling Slowly performance). On the Results Show, Simon made a point of telling Kris his performance the night before had been brilliant. I’m not saying I didn’t want to smash the TV when he called Kris’ performance a bit like eating ice for lunch or that it was wet (whatever the hell that means) LOL

  53. spring2009
    12/28/2009 at 2:22 pm
    ross
    12/28/2009 at 2:19 pm
    IMHO the use of ‘extremely’  talented is going a little far. The chances of these two names being on anyone’s lips two years from now are slim. YMMV.

    Talent has nothing to do with who’s on people’s lips two years from now.

    Talent or no talent ‘“ it won’t happen. Again YMMV.

    I’m going to have to agree with this one. No matter who we are talking about in S8 – the odds are stacked against them. I can’t quote which successful idols came off which season exactly… but I’d bet that there, except for maybe one season.. there has only been one with enough steam in greater music audience (outside the bubble) to be on the lips of people years later.

    ETA: I do believe they all have the capacity to be making $$ in the industry in some manner.

  54. Personally, Simon can’t leave soon enough. After watching a little of SYTYCD, the difference in the judges’ attentiveness and interest in their jobs was night & day. I’d love for Nigel to come over and replace Simon – he showed me he isn’t afraid to be critical of both contestants and the professional choreographers when he wanted to be. He also called at least one contestant out rather harshly (Nathan) when he felt that was warranted. Still though, you had the overwhelming sense he was there to offer real and constructive criticism while being proud of all the dancers and rooting for them as people and potential professionals. I’ve never had that sense about Simon, so the sooner he goes and takes his sanctimonious attitude with him, the better.

  55. Eileen99

    True about Simon and Nigel… but look at the ratings difference. It is more of a reflection of the viewing audience expectations.

  56. I’m no expert about AI, since I’ve only watched this season because of Adam- but it seems Simon is the one everyone is waiting to hear. Period.

    You can see people being “built” or “ruined” by a word from Simon.

    MJ, I may be wrong, but I’m not sure that the fact that many online AI fans aren’t “ruffled” by Simon’s coming departure actually means that the show won’t suffer a huge blow without him.

    I want to remind you guys that Danny Gokey was the most hated AI contestant online, but enough people at home (yes, the “normal” people who like watching the show but aren’t invested later- who make up for most of the ratings) voted for him every week- landing him in the 3rd place.
    And so, maybe a lot of ONLINE diehard AI fans can’t stand Simon anymore- but I think he’s one of the reasons a lot of the “normal” people tune in. They like hearing his opinion.

    Hell- I found myself just waiting to hear what he said, and feeling extremely relieved whenever he didn’t hate Adam- as foolish as that may sound!

  57. It depeds on what you consider to be good media coverage. Celebrity gossip blogs or media talking about your actual music not personal life.

  58. jive’s parent company joins the list of folks sending david birthday greetings…

    From : @SonyMusicGlobal

    Another Idol Birthday! Happy B-Day @DavidArchie!

    Tell him Happy Birthday @ http://bit.ly/CfRSt

  59. spring2009, getting back to what you originally wrote — you took exception to Kris and Allison being called “extremely talented”. Whether they will be on people’s lips two years from now is not an arbiter of how talented they are or not. Talent is ability, being on people’s lips is either popularity or notoriety.

    If you want to say they’re not extremely talented, go ahead, I’ll happily disagree. If you want to say they’ll be completely forgotten in two years, I’m also going to disagree. But none of us have crystal balls. My point was you’re mixing two different points of measurement, popularity doesn’t equal ability.

  60. spring2009, getting back to what you originally wrote ‘” you took exception to Kris and Allison being called ‘extremely talented’ . Whether they will be on people’s lips two years from now is not an arbiter of how talented they are or not. Talent is ability, being on people’s lips is either popularity or notoriety.

    If you want to say they’re not extremely talented, go ahead, I’ll be gald to disagree. If you want to say they’ll be completely forgotten in two years, I’m also going to disagree. But you’re mixing two completely different things

    .

    Sorry for the confusion:

    Talent – yes. Extreme talent – not even close.
    Will they be making money in two years – yes.
    Will they be on everyone’s lips in two years?
    No. (Unless there is still a periodic “Kris Who” mention – that dead horse could go on for years)

  61. aww sweet – he didn’t have to answer that

    thedavidcook RT @Jonasroxmysox @thedavidcook What do you thunk of Adam lambert?? // I thunk he is a great guy and a superb talent.

  62. Sorry for the confusion:

    Talent ‘“ yes. Extreme talent ‘“ not even close.
    Will they be making money in two years ‘“ yes.
    Will they be on everyone’s lips in two years?
    No. (Unless there is still a periodic ‘Kris Who’  mention ‘“ that dead horse could go on for years)

    That could also be said for Adam. Just a thought.

  63. Squirrely
    12/28/2009 at 2:56 pm
    aww sweet ‘“ he didn’t have to answer that

    thedavidcook RT @Jonasroxmysox @thedavidcook What do you thunk of Adam lambert?? // I thunk he is a great guy and a superb talent.

    Ha! At first I only saw the “thunk” part in Cook’s tweet, and was gonna joke how this will create a new “gate”… until I saw he was just poking fun of the original twitterer… funny :-)

  64. I think this could be very interesting in a good way

    thedavidcook
    RT @YoSwanny @thedavidcook Can you describe the new “vibe”? / So far, lyrically, it’s all a bit more tongue-in-cheek. more urgent musically

  65. mr you said: Hell- I found myself just waiting to hear what he said, and feeling extremely relieved whenever he didn’t hate Adam- as foolish as that may sound!

    I was actually holding my breath right before Simon gave a critique to Adam. Until I realized this is so silly. But my heart jumped when Simon gave Adam the standing ovation. I can’t stand Simon either, but I did listen. so I am happy :) to see him go and I am sad :( to see him go.

  66. spring2009, thanks for clarifying.

    Will they be on everyone’s lips in two years?
    No. (Unless there is still a periodic ‘Kris Who’  mention ‘“ that dead horse could go on for years)

    Well, he’s doing pretty good on radio right now, and I suspect that will continue. That tends to help with people getting to know your name.

  67. Sorry for the confusion:

    Talent ‘“ yes. Extreme talent ‘“ not even close.
    Will they be making money in two years ‘“ yes.
    Will they be on everyone’s lips in two years?
    No. (Unless there is still a periodic ‘Kris Who’  mention ‘“ that dead horse could go on for years)

    That could also be said for Adam. Just a thought.

    bite your tongue!

  68. RT @AMC531 @thedavidcook What detergent do you wash your clothes with?/ What ever’s on sale, and color safe… hard-hitting question. luv it

    LOL!

  69. I’m no expert about AI, since I’ve only watched this season because of Adam- but it seems Simon is the one everyone is waiting to hear.

    I agree with this and this is also a reason why I am glad Simon is leaving. People, for whatever reason, treat Simon like a God; as if whatever he says is the law…and that whatever he says is the only thing that matters.

    Now that he’s gone, people will *GASP* be forced to form their own opinions and will no longer be slaves to whatever “Simon Says”.

    Simon could hype William Hung and there probably would have been a fair amount of people that would go against their better judgment just to agree with Simon.

  70. Honestly people, I’m not crazy about the music I’ve heard from David Cook thus far- but he seems like a witty guy…

    Maybe I should start following him on twitter :-)

  71. thedavidcook: # RT @Chloe_Grace22 did anything embarrasing ever happen to you on idol / messed up words on HLTW. somehow avoided the judges on that.
    4 minutes ago from web

    # RT @airdate @thedavidcook favourite superhero? Chris D and me agree… Batman.
    less than a minute ago from web

  72. ^^Hungry Like The Wolf.

    thedavidcook: RT @ShtickWithShell @thedavidcook Is Dublin getting a big head over all his fame? sometimes I think so, and then he poops in the kitchen…
    half a minute ago from web

    RT @Emwit27 @thedavidcook how exactly do you classify batman as a superhero? He has no super powers // He has a cape. end of discussion.
    less than 10 seconds ago from web

  73. Honestly people, I’m not crazy about the music I’ve heard from David Cook thus far- but he seems like a witty guy’ ¦

    mr go back and lisen to some of DC’s old stuff (pre-idol). I think you might be pleasantly surprised.

  74. David answered Sassycatz question:

    thedavidcook
    RT @Sassycatz @thedavidcook why all the tattoos? just decorating… :) 3 minutes ago from web

    Go Sassycatz!

  75. # RT @melissahadabar @thedavidcook lets try this again..what do you do when you aren’t making music? I sleep.
    less than a minute ago from web

    # Gotta go, guys. Thanks for the hang. Let’s do it again sometime.
    half a minute ago from web

  76. Sorry for the confusion:

    Talent ‘“ yes. Extreme talent ‘“ not even close.
    Will they be making money in two years ‘“ yes.
    Will they be on everyone’s lips in two years?
    No. (Unless there is still a periodic ‘Kris Who’  mention ‘“ that dead horse could go on for years)

    That could also be said for Adam. Just a thought.

    Could have been said for Adam too, if we had been talking about him. I believe the original post was about Kris and Allison.

    Re Adam: fleeting thought at that. Again YMMV.

  77. I’m afraid that next year I’ll be posting Adam’s tweets in headline threads, which means there won’t be many. :)

    Anyway, my point is AI viewers will switch their focus to new season, meanwhile Adam, Allison, Danny, Kris and Matt, Michael, all AI8 alum’s careers are really just starting. They won’t be on the lips of many people if we takes a questionnaire here. It really doesn’t make much sense to predict what will happen in two years unless you have a crystal ball (cue DTRH, shamelessly promote my fav song, haha). I wish them all well and a prosperous new year. :D

    I don’t think I’ll be as invested in season 9 as I was for season 8, which actually will make the show more enjoyable.

  78. spring2009
    12/28/2009 at 3:23 pm
    Sorry for the confusion:

    Talent ‘“ yes. Extreme talent ‘“ not even close.
    Will they be making money in two years ‘“ yes.
    Will they be on everyone’s lips in two years?
    No. (Unless there is still a periodic ‘Kris Who’  mention ‘“ that dead horse could go on for years)

    That could also be said for Adam. Just a thought.

    Could have been said for Adam too, if we had been talking about him. I believe the original post was about Kris and Allison.

    Re Adam: fleeting thought at that. Again YMMV.

    As the original poster, I brought up Kris and Allison as people that Simon Cowell did not hype – Adam does not fit into the category of people Simon did not hype. I also brought up some of the talented left behind at Top 36 such as Ricky Braddy and Jesse Langseth, who were also not hyped by Simon. My point was not about where these people will be in 2 years, I think that was a reposnse to my post pointed specifically at Kris and Allison. I was responding to the idea of the contestants that Simon doesn’t seem to care about or that he rips to pieces. With Kris, Simon stepped over the line on Top 13 night when he said that he should have kept his wife hidden. With Allison, Simon kept telling her she had to sort out her personality since her voice was great, all because, to me, she seemed like a normal teen-age girl rather then a beauty pageant contestant which is what Simon always seemed to look for.

    I do think that idol can survive without Simon if the get the right type of person in his place. I’m not sure who that is, but I think there is someone out there. And who know, maybe we can have an American this time since this is American idol.

    One thing I’ve noticed about Simon recently, is maybe he’s not in touch with American musical choices, while I think he does have a good ear for European choices. It’s one of the reasons I was not at all surprised when RCA mmediately started a big international push with Adam, whom Simonw as a huge fan/supporter for.

  79. I saw on twitter that Kris is going to be in Vegas singing on December 30th at the BB Kings House of Blues. I think it’s the name of the place. Don’t know how to do links or I’D link the article. So another apperance for Kris and his Band.

  80. I saw on twitter that Kris is going to be in Vegas singing on December 30th at the BB Kings House of Blues. I think it’s the name of the place. Don’t know how to do links or I’D link the article. So another apperance for Kris and his Band.

    I like that Jive is taking avantage of his being in Vegas for NYE to set up other events for him to continue getting him exposure – my parents are in Vegas this week, maybe i’ll try to get them to go.

  81. One thing I’ve noticed about Simon recently, is maybe he’s not in touch with American musical choices, while I think he does have a good ear for European choices. It’s one of the reasons I was not at all surprised when RCA mmediately started a big international push with Adam, whom Simonw as a huge fan/supporter for.

    Good point. I’ve long been a little wary of Simon’s musical taste. Judging from the likes of SuBo and Leona Lewis, and even what he looks for on AI (especially from women), he seems to favor a much more old-fashioned, big voice, ballad-type singer – not at all what’s toping the charts these days (well, SuBo being the exception, and that’s just album sales, not radio play). Randy has often been more of the voice of what is “current” (or at least he comes the closest to it).

    Simon LOVES his big voices, though – hence the love for Adam and Danny – and lack of love for Kris. Allison didn’t get any love, imo, because she didn’t fit his bill of the “old-fashioned, pretty, perky songbird” (not pageant enough, as Adam said).

  82. That Vegas gig is nice for Kris. The band is going to be so tour-ready with all these performances. Love all the exposure.

  83. This is nice to see

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/vibe/vibe.cgi?rank2

    I remember I read this weeks ago’ ¦

    btw, nice to see Allison’s album banner on the top the webpage.

    Woo to the hoot! Now, just hoping for some more HAC love for WWFM once the freeze ends!

    ETA: They give the dates as 12/17 to 1/5 for this ranking, thus covering the freeze period.

  84. Woo to the hoot! Now, just hoping for some more HAC love for WWFM once the freeze ends!

    ETA: They give the dates as 12/17 to 1/5 for this ranking, thus covering the freeze period.

    I’m still waiting for Chicago radio stations, either Kiis or Mixed, to add WWFM. They are so slow, hopefully after the freeze ends, they will be up to the game.

  85. This is nice to see

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/vibe/vibe.cgi?rank2

    I remember I read this weeks ago’ ¦

    btw, nice to see Allison’s album banner on the top the webpage.

    Woo to the hoot! Now, just hoping for some more HAC love for WWFM once the freeze ends!

    ETA: They give the dates as 12/17 to 1/5 for this ranking, thus covering the freeze period.

    This is awesome, as it appears Adam has been on the list for 3 consecutive weeks and climbed in ranking from 3 to 2, but with whom is “Hits Daily Double” affiliated, does anyone know? I was trying to figure it out on their website, but I’m drawing a blank.

  86. anovich
    I don’t think he was out of line on both the instances you mentioned: that was actually his way of constructive criticism (albeit a twisted constructiveness)- I remember reading a lot of young stars being advised to hide their wives/girlfriends so’s “not to lose the female fans” (hell- John Lennon hid the fact he was married for the first years of the Beatles fame). Now, you may not agree with that opinion- but I think it is a valid one.
    Same with Allison- the fact was that she was finding herself in the bottom 3 with no connection to what Simon was saying, so I think at a certain point he just came to the conclusion that despite her talent, she wasn’t connecting, and should try to be more “likable”. Again, some people loved her quirkiness, but I guess many thought she was downright wierd and were put off, despite her talent (which I persnally think she has a lot of).

    Point is- Simon works in the business, and from what I’ve seen, he’s not very creative, but he gives his opinion about what he thinks will or won’t sell in the outside world.

    I think his attitude towards Adam proves it- in the begining you could see him thinking “oh, this guy’s too gay to ever make it”, and his put- down of ROF was downright old fashioned and unable to recognize the innovation, but then, as he realized how much buzz this guy was getting, and how deafening the aplause to him was every week- along with some strategically- subdued Adam performances- he decided he might actually have a shot in the real world.
    But he was def. not his favourite in the beginning.

    I do, however, think that laying his hands all over Paula during contestants performances was unproffesional and like you say, out of line.

    So maybe he should go… but they’ll have to fiend someone at least as charmingly wicked as he iswhen he’s on a good day…

  87. but with whom is ‘Hits Daily Double’  affiliated, does anyone know? I was trying to figure it out on their website, but I’m drawing a blank.

    They’re the ones who give us our wonderful little weekly album sales predictions, which usually come in pretty close to the official Soundscan numbers. I think they’re just another music industry site that does their own independent surveys, research, looks at trends, etc. So hopefully they’re seeing a lot of positive momentum and future potential for WWFM.

  88. I’m still waiting for Chicago radio stations, either Kiis or Mixed, to add WWFM. They are so slow, hopefully after the freeze ends, they will be up to the game.

    I’m with you, BeckyMD. It seems really bizarre to me that a city as big as Chicago is sooooo behind the times! I was checking out The Mix and KISS FM websites this morning, and neither seems to have played WYWFM at any time recently. The Mix occasionally plays LLWD, but it seems to primarily be during the overnight hours. The only times I’ve seen Adam played on the Mix were during their 9 p.m. hour, in which they play “new music” (or at least “new” to The Mix — LOL).

  89. Hey MJ, that was an excellent article in the N.Y. Post, and it was a hoot to see the quotes from all of our fellow MJ posters. But in my self-appointed role as resident killjoy stickler for accuracy, I feel it my duty to point out that there has never been any official announcement that Simon is leaving AI this year, or any year for that matter. I just think the article is a little misleading in that regard, especially given this quote:

    “As if everybody hasn’t been predicting this for the past year — well, it’s good to finally get confirmation!” commented Idol fan, Bootstar.

    Given the nature of internet telephone, I can see the possibility of this getting a bit out of hand. . .

    Personally, I can’t wait to see Simon go, but I’m just keepin’ it real!

  90. Point is- Simon works in the business, and from what I’ve seen, he’s not very creative, but he gives his opinion about what he thinks will or won’t sell in the outside world.

    Well put mr.

    For all Simon’s faults the one thing he does well is make money and knows how to make more.

  91. Michael and his Allison love :)

    EWMichaelSlezak

    Who else is listening to @allisoniraheta’s debut on nonstop repeat and not ashamed to admit it?

  92. mr,

    Yes Simon works in the business and he knows a lot about making money (see: Boyle, Susan).

    That being said, I don’t think Simon understands artists like Kris or Allison. Randy, from the beginning, said Kris had a Jason Mraz vibe to him, and while I find that a lazy comparison, at least it showed that he thought Kris was viable in today’s music. Simon, aside from calling Kris brilliant after voting was over for Falling Slowly (results nights) and claiming Kris put himself back int he game after Heartless (not really sure why Simon thought he was out of it after Apologize) didn’t seem to fully comprehend Kris’s musical stylings.

    With Allison, I think Simon was trying to push her towards a Disney pop-princess mold. It’s likely the reason Jasmine ever was put into the Top 13. Once Simon realized he had a young girl that he could push towards a new market, because Jordin never fit there, he was going to try and push as hard as possible. The problem was that Allison is not ever going to be a Disney pop-princess, she has too much of a growl to her voice and she’s much more a rocker then a pop-princess.

  93. I think, I’m going to miss Simon (if he leaves for real). For some reason, I always find myself waiting for his verdict after every performance, I can’t explain why, maybe because he is funny, in a cruel sort of way sometimes, or maybe because he is honest and does not sugarcoat anything, idk. I do hope that if this is his last season, Simon will put a little more effort and not look and behave in such a pronounced “I’m bored/don’t give a s**t” sort of way he adapted the last season or two.

  94. Simon is somehow right about Alison. She has the personality of a disney character but sings like Janis Joplin. There is a clash there.

  95. Oh, anovich, I don’t think Simon “understands” artists period!

    He’s not an artist himself, he doesn’t understand real “creativity”- he only knows how to recognize the things that have worked in the past.
    Therefore his late realization that Adam was a “star” and that Kris “Really deserved” to be in the finale.

    About Allison- respectfully, I disagree. I don’t think he was pushing her to be more “disney”. If I recal correctly, he called her performance “best of the night” VERY early on- top 36 I believe? And was pretty supportive of her performances throughout the show (go watch them again- you’ll see. Even on “Don’t Speak” it was Randy who got the conversation diverted to her clothes and not the song).
    Thing is, Allison is not very communicative. Have you seen her in interviews? She’s a weird chick. And I don’t mind that, because I’ve always been interested in weird people- but I am sure many people thought to themselves “what the hell is wrong with this girl? She can’t say one straight sentance without making a face or a funny voice”…
    And so- I don’t htink he was pushing her towards a a “Disney” image, but, yeah, a little more articulate maybe…

  96. ross
    12/28/2009 at 2:47 pm
    My point was you’re mixing two different points of measurement, popularity doesn’t equal ability.

    The main reason Adam is so popular, is his enormous talent. That has been validated by many people in the industry. He has publically received tremendous accolades from peeps in the music industry, entertainment industry, music critics, journalists, etc. He is also well-liked because he has proven to be charismatic, articulate, intelligent, and a very nice guy.

  97. Anyway, it’s always interesting to see how we all interperet what we see differently… :-)

    Oh, and sorry for all the typos, for some reason I can’t edit anything….

    It’s kinda late here already so goodnight everyone!

  98. ross
    12/28/2009 at 2:47 pm
    My point was you’re mixing two different points of measurement, popularity doesn’t equal ability.

    The main reason Adam is so popular, is his enormous talent. That has been validated by many people in the industry. He has publically received tremendous accolades from peeps in the music industry, entertainment industry, music critics, journalists, etc. He is also well-liked because he has proven to be charismatic, articulate, intelligent, and a very nice guy.

    BestAI, My post had nothing to do with Adam. It was about Allison and Kris and how the OP thought no one would be talking about them in two years because they’re not “extremely” talented. But that was nicely put, nonetheless!

    I like Canadian Idol and have watched a couple of seasons. So I know there is good Idol TV without Simon Cowell. People are used to Simon, but it’s really about the contestants and becoming invested in their futures on the show. Simon’s bluntness does get people emotionally involved in a way that’s hard to match, because he pushes all our buttons. That’s effective TV. But the Canadian judges have their own attractions, in their offbeat humor and the way they interact, the way they seem to care about what they’re doing and about the contestants.

    It’s a cool show. I wouldn’t mind seeing AI go more in that direction, and with the addition of Ellen, it might.

  99. The main reason Adam is so popular, is his enormous talent. That has been validated by many people in the industry. He has publically received tremendous accolades from peeps in the music industry, entertainment industry, music critics, journalists, etc. He is also well-liked because he has proven to be charismatic, articulate, intelligent, and a very nice guy.

    While this is obviously true from all we’ve heard, I think it’s more about Adam’s personality. Adam is an outgoing personality that thrives on being noticed in some way, generally for taking preconceived notions and smashing them in some way.

    Then we have some of the other personalities from these past years on Idol. Kris, Cook, Archie have all been touted as nice guys and all obviously are popular. But the personalities are low-key and I could not imagine any of these 3 thriving in the atmosphere Ada does so well in.

  100. I thought Canadian Idol was cancelled? Just saying. I think Simon is the main attraction of Idol but maybe they can milk it for awhile. Jush ugh to Nigel replacing Simon. What a blowhard.

    That said I can’t imagine Idol staying at #1 w/o Simon.
    The show will lose audience and eventually that will affect their ability to create superstars. And so far S8 has been lackluster in album/single sales. It’s now been three full seasons since Idol has produced a real superstar.

  101. That being said, I don’t think Simon understands artists like Kris or Allison.

    Simon “understands” what can sell though, as proven by Kris and Allison’s disappointing sales. I don’t think he bothers to “understand” singers that he doesn’t think can be successful AND he doesn’t particularly enjoy either. Which is a sensible way to operate!

  102. saga
    12/28/2009 at 4:35 pm
    Simon is somehow right about Alison. She has the personality of a disney character but sings like Janis Joplin. There is a clash there.

    well I agree about the Janis Joplin comparison I disagree with the disney character personality. Unless there’s a disney character that can barely make it through a interview, sings darker and sader music opposed to happy fluff but still isn’t, like cutting herself :)

    The main reason Adam is so popular, is his enormous talent. That has been validated by many people in the industry. He has publically received tremendous accolades from peeps in the music industry, entertainment industry, music critics, journalists, etc. He is also well-liked because he has proven to be charismatic, articulate, intelligent, and a very nice guy.

    IMO he would have nowhere near the level of popularity and press if the burning man photo’s leaked. YOMV

  103. anovich
    12/28/2009 at 4:55 pm

    While this is obviously true from all we’ve heard, I think it’s more about Adam’s personality. Adam is an outgoing personality that thrives on being noticed in some way, generally for taking preconceived notions and smashing them in some way.

    So, what are you saying, that Adam’s talent doesn’t play a part in his popularity? Even Kris and Cook have talked about Adam’s tremendous talent. Adam was getting noticed for his performance and vocal skills before his “outgoing” personality was even a factor. To discount his vocal talent and assume it’s all about his personality is about as smart as saying that the only reason Kris won Idol was because of homophobia.

  104. Simon ‘understands’  what can sell though, as proven by Kris and Allison’s disappointing sales. I don’t think he bothers to ‘understand’  singers that he doesn’t think can be successful AND he doesn’t particularly enjoy either. Which is a sensible way to operate!

    I don’t think we should count these 2 out yet – Kris is the slow but steady type and he’s doing that so far, especially when you look at the way LLWD just keeps on going and going. Allison has been the harder sell but the potential for her is there once Jive figures it out.

    Simon understands the immediate big-seller. He doesn’t undertsand the slow-burner.

  105. I can’t edit but Adam is not “more popular” than last year’s runner up or last year’s winner. If you measure popular by people buying his music and/or radio play. That may change. He’s just selling more albums that Kris who’s been a very underwhelming winner (so far). Maybe that’s what’s meant by “popular.” :)

    Or maybe its media attention. Once the new season of Idol starts, that attention will go to the new season of Idol though. AI the show is way more popular than any contestant.

  106. #

    That said I can’t imagine Idol staying at #1 w/o Simon.
    The show will lose audience and eventually that will affect their ability to create superstars. And so far S8 has been lackluster in album/single sales. It’s now been three full seasons since Idol has produced a real superstar.
    #

    Daughtry, Jennifer and Carrie were not superstars off the starting block. Give the new guys time they will do just fine.

  107. So, what are you saying, that Adam’s talent doesn’t play a part in his popularity? Even Kris and Cook have talked about Adam’s tremendous talent. Adam was getting noticed for his performance and vocal skills before his ‘outgoing’  personality was even a factor. To discount his vocal talent and assume it’s all about his personality is about as smart as saying that the only reason Kris won Idol was because of homophobia.

    That’s not at all what I was saying. My point is that Adam, Kris, Cooke and Archie are all 4 very talented and popular guys. But with Adam’s personality type as compared to the other 3, he also thrives on publicity and his ability to shock.

  108. skat-girl@allycatlover
    12/28/2009 at 5:00 pm

    well I agree about the Janis Joplin comparison I disagree with the disney character personality. Unless there’s a disney character that can barely make it through a interview, sings darker and sader music opposed to happy fluff but still isn’t, like cutting herself

    Her inability to get through an interview without reverting to jibberish is one reason I’d rather hear her sing than EVER hear her talk. Well, before I heard her album, that is. Not too impressed with it. Her single is definitely fluff, but I do like some of the stuff on her album, I’ve downloaded a few songs, but not the whole thing.

    IMO he would have nowhere near the level of popularity and press if the burning man photo’s leaked. YIMV

    I assume you mean if the burning man photos “hadn’t” leaked, since they did leak. The issue of the photos didn’t even hit the general public until later in the contest, he was already watercooler talk by that point because of his performances and the excitement they were generating.

  109. I don’t think we should count these 2 out yet ‘“ Kris is the slow but steady type and he’s doing that so far, especially when you look at the way LLWD just keeps on going and going. Allison has been the harder sell but the potential for her is there once Jive figures it out.

    Simon understands the immediate big-seller. He doesn’t undertsand the slow-burner.

    I agree with your last statement. Simon understands pop culture, which doesn’t thrive on slow burning acts at all. It’s all about the flash and the glamour and the charisma, all of which Kris and Allison lack. And the occasional well timed, storyline-backed Susan Boyle.

    As for Kris and Allison though, I have already counted the latter out. LLWD *has* been doing surprisingly well though, so I’m going to withhold judgment until I see how his second single does.

  110. While this is obviously true from all we’ve heard, I think it’s more about Adam’s personality. Adam is an outgoing personality that thrives on being noticed in some way, generally for taking preconceived notions and smashing them in some way.

    If we’re talking about why Adam is popular in the press, I think it more has to do with Adam having a performance style that is very modern. And maybe also very fitting in pop culture. The main acts in pop are not safe. Adam is not safe. AI folks are usually safe.

  111. Adam and ABC may be on the road to kissing and making up…of course not literally we know how ABC feels about kissing :)

    from twitter (hopefully others can confirm)

    YAY! My mom called ~ General Hospital is playing @adamlambert’s version of Mad World AGAIN! Way to go @ABC I might start watching again NOW!

    She called coz she KNOWS I boycott @abc now & WOW I turned it on when she called & they played nearly the whole song! @abc comes to senses!

  112. I’m not exactly sure what the “Vibe” rating is on the HDD site. I know that Kris was on there for something like 5 weeks in a row (I think he got as high as #2 on that list), while Adam has now been on there for the last 3 weeks. Does it refer to the amount of radio play they are getting, the amount of publicity, or what, exactly?

  113. Daughtry and Carrie were already at platinum or close to it at this point with the debut albums. They were clearly on their way to big success. Jennifer Hudson didn’t even put out an album until AFTER she won an Academy Awards. So the show had almost nothing to do with her success. She’s really a special case.

    S8 is very unusual for an Idol season though.Maybe it won’t follow the usual pattern of sales as well.

  114. Jennifer Hudson didn’t even put out an album until AFTER she won an Academy Awards. So the show had almost nothing to do with her success.

    The show had to do with her getting that role at all, though, so you could say that the show had everything to do with her success… just in a less direct way.

  115. saga

    Actually, most of the most popular acts in Top 40 right now are very safe. Miley Cyrus? Justin Bieber? Taylor Swift? You really couldn’t GET much safer than people like these guys. Lady Gaga is an exception to the rule. You want acts that aren’t “safe”, you’d have to look more at rap and alternative rock, not at Top 40.

  116. I assume you mean if the burning man photos ‘hadn’t’  leaked, since they did leak. The issue of the photos didn’t even hit the general public until later in the contest, he was already watercooler talk by that point because of his performances and the excitement they were generating.

    I did sorry for the typo I’m a dumb fuck *smacks head* yes he was popular in the viewers but before the photo’s he wasn’t better known then the rest of the contestants
    and IMHO I don’t think he would have gotten major press like he did if the hadn’t leaked.

  117. I want to remind you guys that Danny Gokey was the most hated AI contestant online, but enough people at home (yes, the ‘normal’  people who like watching the show but aren’t invested later- who make up for most of the ratings) voted for him every week- landing him in the 3rd place.
    And so, maybe a lot of ONLINE diehard AI fans can’t stand Simon anymore- but I think he’s one of the reasons a lot of the ‘normal’  people tune in. They like hearing his opinion.

    Absolutely get this. We are not normal idol fans. We follow blogs, we follow blogs that follow blogs that follow idol. We tweet about idol. We tweet to bloggers who tweet about idol. That is not what normal viewers are doing. If you ask normal folk about idol, Simon is an important cog in that show. For many he is the cog.

    I don’t even think that Mj’s is a good representative of idol viewers. Hell many of us are here every damn day. We fight, argue, discuss, map, flow chart and eat and sleep every darn thing about this show. We know about mediabase, and HDD. We nit pick and obsess about stuff that the average just doesn’t give a flying fig about. The average idol viewer doesn’t care about whether Simon’s music knowledge is current. They probably skew the same way. That is why even though folk vote in massive quantities, they don’t purchase in the same way. That is why a cover cd from Susan Boyle is the rage in the way idol cd’s never are.

    For many idol is just a show, but it’s a show with characters. The contestants are just guest stars of which many will not be seen again (on the show) once their several months tenure is over. The judges are the stars. Removing Simon is like replacing Meredith Gray from Grays Anatomy, not one of the interns, or Little Gray. As for Simon and how his opinion is so overwhelming that he can’t be denied. It’s crap. His influence isn’t nearly as great as that. Nor is he so damn charismatic and manipulative that he takes over the will of the viewers so that they will be compelled to see things his way. Hence Allison made it as far as she did, and Kris won. That certainly wasn’t his nefarious plan.

    For the record, I don’t think Simon is leaving the show. I think this is just another way to start the buzz. It’s fun to chat about, but right now it’s just white noise emitted by his (maybe I want to be famous too) brother.

  118. Miley Cyrus? Justin Bieber? Taylor Swift?

    Heh, the disney crowd? Miley is not safe, she is always in scandals, that’s why she is the only disney star selling. Beyonce, Shakira, Rihanna, BEP, Gaga… none of them are safe. The rappers? Don’t think so.

    I am not saying they are the most innovating people out there but they push the borders with their performances.

    What I am saying is that AI alumns rest very much on their voice when they perform. But that’s not what pop is about. Hence their trouble in breaking into the pop scene.

  119. If we’re talking about why Adam is popular in the press, I think it more has to do with Adam having a performance style that is very modern. And maybe also very fitting in pop culture. The main acts in pop are not safe. Adam is not safe. AI folks are usually safe.

    Slightly different look at this, because I see Adam as being so attractive to the press because they see him almost like a new toy – very different, very unusual, out there, talented, controversial, not at all what they’re used to, especially from a male pop artist (since those aren’t really around now). I think they view him as potentially the next big thing, because there’s not someone like him on the music scene.

    It’s a gamble, because as girlygirl said, Pop is dominated by what IS safe and reliable, but every now and then that has to be shaken up by what is NOT safe and reliable (hence stars like Lady Gaga rising up).

  120. I can’t edit but Adam is not ‘more popular’  than last year’s runner up or last year’s winner.

    He might not be as popular, but he’s certainly more famous.

  121. Beyonce, Shakira, Rihanna, BEP, Gaga’ ¦ none of them are safe. The rappers? Don’t think so.

    I am not saying they are the most innovating people out there but they push the borders with their performances.

    But Beyonce is about as safe as you can get! She’s like, Stepford in public image. Shakira isn’t big in the US anymore, and the BEP aren’t pushing the borders, they’re coasting on their pop success. Rihanna and Gaga are definitely going for the edgy image though.

    As for rap, it’s become pretty sanitized–or at least the stuff that’s popular in the mainstream. Jay Z is big right now, and he’s not pushing anything with his R&B collabs and nice unthreatening demeanor. And even the hardcore gangster rap stuff, it doesn’t shock anymore… it’s the same old schtick.

    Idk what you mean by they’re pushing the borders, while not being innovative–how CAN they push the borders if they’re doing what’s already been done, and successfully? Imo, pop is what it’s always been– mostly safe, unthreatening acts with a few “edgy”–but still not threatening–acts thrown in.

  122. Talent ‘“ yes. Extreme talent ‘“ not even close.
    Will they be making money in two years ‘“ yes.
    Will they be on everyone’s lips in two years?
    No. (Unless there is still a periodic ‘Kris Who’  mention ‘“ that dead horse could go on for years)

    That’s a subjective opinion. I think that Allison has “extreme talent” for instance. Whether it will ever be fully developed remains to be seen. As for Kris, I can’t judge. He’s a sly one :)

    Nobody really knows who we’ll be talking about in two years. We didn’t know two years ago we’d be talking about a dead Michael Jackson, or Ellen as an Idol judge. Things change all the time and music, as well as talent, are unpredictable. Kris could leave his wife and run off with Allison two years from now, and then we’d be talking about them both LOL.

    He might not be as popular, but he’s certainly more famous.

    Actually, they’re all very famous when their season ends, especially the winner and runner up. Ruben and Clay were hugely famous after their season. Everyone still knows who they are, they are household names, as is Carrie and Kelly Clarkson. Heck, William Hung was pretty darn famous too. I think people still remember “the two Davids.” However since they are both rather low-key people (my favorite kind) they might not be on the tip of everyone’s tongue every minute at this point.

  123. Heh, the disney crowd? Miley is not safe, she is always in scandals, that’s why she is the only disney star selling. Beyonce, Shakira, Rihanna, BEP, Gaga’ ¦ none of them are safe. The rappers? Don’t think so.

    I am not saying they are the most innovating people out there but they push the borders with their performances.

    Are borders really that strong, though? At this point, I think people would look at at least half of that list’s actions, or close to that, and generally give a shrug. Maybe I just run with a more cynical crowd.

    But I do get your point that Idol contestants are at a disadvantage coming in tending not to use a certain level of high performance values in a pop scene which tends to base its lifeblood on that.

  124. Jennifer Hudson didn’t even put out an album until AFTER she won an Academy Awards. So the show had almost nothing to do with her success.

    The show had to do with her getting that role at all, though, so you could say that the show had everything to do with her success’ ¦ just in a less direct way.

    Jennifer auditioned for the role just like everybody else. Her stint on Idol wasn’t the reason she was cast. Wikipedia:

    In November 2005, Hudson was cast in the role of Effie White for the film adaptation of the musical Dreamgirls, which also starred Jamie Foxx, Beyonc Knowles and Eddie Murphy. The role, originally created in a Broadway performance by Jennifer Holliday, marked Hudson’s debut screen performance. She won the role over hundreds of professional singers and actresses, including Raven-Symon and American Idol winner Fantasia Barrino.

  125. Or maybe its media attention. Once the new season of Idol starts, that attention will go to the new season of Idol though. AI the show is way more popular than any contestant.

    I’ll give to the fact that American Idol the show is more popular with viewers than any contestant that has come off of the show. One cannot argue with 25 million viewers per week. But this can be said about most TV shows where the show is often more popular than the stars that create it. Case in point…Archie Bunker was way more popular than Carol O’conner…Two and a Half Men more so than Charlie Sheen. A show cannot be compared to the sum of its parts…there just isn’t a formula to do that.

    And as far as “media” forsaking some of the current Idols for the show. This really only happens in Idoldom where a select group of AI bloggers report on the show each week, and a few mainline media have an Idol segment such as EW or MTV have. But many Artists who have come off of the show continue to have their moments of glory aside from the show…and in fact sometimes old Idols are as prominant as the current show in the press and media.

    If season 9 has some contestants who are really “out of the box” and catch the attention of the nation then AI gets more coverage…if the contestants are the same old same old then the show just gets its normal press and nothing more.

  126. edit: And i just let you out of moderation. You are going to end up back there

  127. I did sorry for the typo I’m a dumb fuck *smacks head* yes he was popular in the viewers but before the photo’s he wasn’t better known then the rest of the contestants
    and IMHO I don’t think he would have gotten major press like he did if the hadn’t leaked.

    I respectfully disagree. Isn’t that kind of like saying he wouldn’t be famous if he wasn’t gay? Hmmm, I think most of us fans would count that among the LEAST of things that makes him so fascinating to us, and the media would likely agree. Sure, he had the RS coming out issue, but other than Bill O’Reilly’s bizarre fascination with his sexuality, there is plenty of buzz and interest in him BEYOND him being gay (and this includes the AMA controversy, which was also not JUST about him being gay.)

  128. He might not be as popular, but he’s certainly more famous.

    Or infamous?

  129. But Beyonce is about as safe as you can get!

    Beyonce is not really that safe. Have you seen some of her latest stuff. It’s seriously weird. When I talk about pushing the borders I am not talking musically. All I am saying is that there is a CULTURE in pop that you have to breach as well. AI alums usually doesn’t succeed with that, they don’t always get invited to big awards shows even if they sell a lot. There is a reason for that.

  130. Jeniffer auditioned for the role just like everybody else. Her stint on Idol had nothing to do with her being cast. Wikipedia:

    Her stint on Idol had to do with her not being a total nobody that wasn’t on anyone in the industry’s radar and therefore wouldn’t even be accepted for an audition.

  131. If season 9 has some contestants who are really ‘out of the box’  and catch the attention of the nation then AI gets more coverage’ ¦if the contestants are the same old same old then the show just gets its normal press and nothing more.

    LOL – which brings us to S9, and what to expect ;-) IIRC there were quite a few Adam wannabes in those early audition pics, but it’s gonna take a little more originality to really cut it, imo. Then again, stars like Carrie and Kelly were hardly that original or out there or amazing when they were on the show. They just made good music that found a big audience outside of AI. So who knows what next season will bring!

  132. Heh, the disney crowd? Miley is not safe, she is always in scandals, that’s why she is the only disney star selling. Beyonce, Shakira, Rihanna, BEP, Gaga’ ¦ none of them are safe. The rappers? Don’t think so.

    I am not saying they are the most innovating people out there but they push the borders with their performances.

    I wouldn’t say these people were unsafe. I’d say that a few of them are incredibly stupid in their personal lives, have no common sense or know the difference between public and private. That’s why the media loves them. (And Miley Cyrus obviously has no parents.)

  133. That’s a subjective opinion

    If you read my previous posts I used “IMHO” and “YMMV” several times. Just forgot here.

    IMHO there is no extreme talent with either. And don’t even get me going with either of them in an interview. Gawd.

  134. But Beyonce is about as safe as you can get!

    Beyonce is not really that safe. Have you seen some of her latest stuff. It’s seriously weird. When I talk about pushing the borders I am not talking musically. All I am saying is that there is a CULTURE in pop that you have to breach as well.

    You mean Video Phone? That was just badly done… It may be weird to you but it isn’t making headlines with its weirdness. It’s not considered weird in pop culture. At this point, she’s an established star with a clean image making standard pop music. She’s not edgy or dangerous, a few wacky costumes or sexual videos regardless. She’s popular because she IS safe–weird or not, no one feels threatened by Beyonce.

    To bring this back to Idol… you have to ride a certain line between safe and edgy, which Lady Gaga is doing pretty well. Beyonce is falling more into safe these days–she has to watch out before she becomes boring and fades out. And Adam fell into the too edgy/ offputting side with his AMAs.

  135. Let me repeat again… what I am saying is that AI alumns rest very much on their voice when they perform. But that’s not what pop is about. Hence their trouble in breaking big into the pop scene. We might not like it and disagree, but it’s there.

  136. I respectfully disagree. Isn’t that kind of like saying he wouldn’t be famous if he wasn’t gay? Hmmm, I think most of us fans would count that among the LEAST of things that makes him so fascinating to us, and the media would likely agree.

    Not really, and that’s a pity. His fans? Sure. The media? He is the quintessential “gay guy” at the moment, and I’m not liking that at all. It reduces him unfairly. But his sexuality is the main aspect of his image at the moment (at least outside the bubble; inside it is obviously more debatable).

    Sure, he had the RS coming out issue, but other than Bill O’Reilly’s bizarre fascination with his sexuality, there is plenty of buzz and interest in him BEYOND him being gay (and this includes the AMA controversy, which was also not JUST about him being gay.)

    You’ll have people here talking about double standards until the cows come home in terms of what a sexual act means from a gay man to another gay man. And they’re not wrong in that (though that’s not to say I agree with all of the hyperbolic conclusions). The AMA controversy was about him being gay, even if not everyone was open enough to phrase it in those terms.

    To be sure, he has some industry buzz that stems absolutely from his voice and from his talent, no question. But it’s a much more insular kind of buzz, and the most cynical might even question whether that would have been as present as it had been not for him being more “interesting” on account of his sexuality. Again, not a line of thinking I endorse, but it’s very present.

    Further note I’m not saying “he wouldn’t be successful if he was straight/closeted”. There’s no way of qualifying that realistically, anyway. But it would just be a very different path from the start.

  137. Or infamous?

    Touche` perhaps, but only to people who think sexuality or homosexuality is anything worthy of infamy.

  138. Beyonce is not really that safe. Have you seen some of her latest stuff. It’s seriously weird. When I talk about pushing the borders I am not talking musically. All I am saying is that there is a CULTURE in pop that you have to breach as well.

    I’m gonna use a cliche, but I think when you get to that level of celebrity, it really is that “It” factor that sets you apart. One thing that people like Beyonce, Miley, Taylor Swift, and, dare I say, even Adam, have that others don’t, is that spark of “IT” (yeah, I can’t even find a better word, lol), that just catches the public’s/media’s attention.

    How you then use it to reach a wider audience and get them to buy your product, well, that’s another part of the equation. For the most part, the formula is as simple as appealing to the largest common denominator (hence the safe factor in pop music – Taylor singing about wanting the guy, Miley singing about a Party in the USA, etc. – it’s safe, fluffy, likable music).

  139. I thought Canadian Idol was cancelled? Just saying.

    It’s on hiatus. It had good ratings, but it’s an expensive show to produce and CTV/ Toronto isn’t Fox/Hollywood. It was put on hiatus so that CTV could afford to produce its Vancouver Olympic coverage this year. It’s supposed to return. It may not, but so far, it’s supposed to.

    I agree with your last statement. Simon understands pop culture, which doesn’t thrive on slow burning acts at all. It’s all about the flash and the glamour and the charisma, all of which Kris and Allison lack. And the occasional well timed, storyline-backed Susan Boyle.

    This makes me laugh. Now that Adam is in the picture, pop culture is “all about the flash and the glamour and the charisma.” And Simon is all about finding someone like that. Simon loved Danny Gokey and Lil Rounds!! He wanted them in the top 3. He loved David Archuleta. Now who’s more flashy Hollywood-glamorous than David Archuleta? How about David Cook? Jordin Sparks? And Kelly Clarkson is about as down home and un-Hollywood as you can get, and also a big pop culture success. And Carrie Underwood and Chris Daughtry are not about flash and glamour, either.

    As for charisma, well, that’s sort of like beauty, in in the eye of the beholder. I happen to think Kris has loads of it, while Adam leaves me cold and disinterested. I also think Allsion has a good deal of charisma.
    Not fan-warring, just stating my personal tastes.

  140. The media? He is the quintessential ‘gay guy’  at the moment, and I’m not liking that at all.

    Not sure where you are seeing this – because on all the top end of year lists he has made, I really haven’t seen “gay” as one of the big comments (sure it is sometimes mentioned, but usually the big selling point is his amazing vocals, how he wowed AI audiences with his unexpected performances, etc.)

  141. [Jennifer Hudson’s] stint on Idol had to do with her not being a total nobody that wasn’t on anyone in the industry’s radar and therefore wouldn’t even be accepted for an audition.

    According to another article, about 800 people auditioned for the role. It sounds like a pretty open casting call. I don’t think you had to be a “somebody” to get an audition.

  142. thedavidcook
    RT @YoSwanny @thedavidcook Can you describe the new ‘vibe’ ? / So far, lyrically, it’s all a bit more tongue-in-cheek. more urgent musically

    Oooh. Sounds like Kiss On the Neck. I flove it.

  143. Beyonce is not really that safe. Have you seen some of her latest stuff. It’s seriously weird. When I talk about pushing the borders I am not talking musically. All I am saying is that there is a CULTURE in pop that you have to breach as well. AI alums usually doesn’t succeed with that, they don’t always get invited to big awards shows even if they sell a lot. There is a reason for that.

    What, the Single Ladies video was “pushing boundaries”? I respectfully disagree with that. It was catchy, it was eye-grabbing, it was a lot of things. But, really, that’s all been done before. And yet it was one of the biggest things its respective year… not because it pushed boundaries, but because it was all of the aforementioned.

    Look, having something be “weird” isn’t pushing boundaries. Not in this climate. Even Lady Gaga, so vaunted for pushing boundaries, is on the edge of not pushing any boundaries on the basis of her method becoming so predictable at this point. Further, having the label of “pushing boundaries” doesn’t mean that it’s actually happening. I’m constantly surprised at people who are in the media who are said to be pushing boundaries… without actually having any sense of what those boundaries might be. It’s more the act of doing so rather than actually interrupting any form of thinking in any way.

  144. I wouldn’t say these people were unsafe. I’d say that a few of them are incredibly stupid in their personal lives, have no common sense or know the difference between public and private. That’s why the media loves them. (And Miley Cyrus obviously has no parents.)

    Actually I’d say the opposite about most of them that have been named. Beyonce keeps her private life extremely private. BEP are for the most part very benign personalities off stage. What does one know about Shakira that is scandalous? The most intriguing thing about Rihanna is the Chris Brown scandal, and that certainly, besides the fact that she chose to date him, wasn’t her doing. The public seems to love these guys for the music they create, not scandal. Miley is different it that she openly professes her love of Jesus, and then faux pole dances, and takes semi erotic pix with her dad. And she like 16? There’s a special kind of weird with that one, and an intervention will be necessary at some point I am sure.

  145. I respectfully disagree. Isn’t that kind of like saying he wouldn’t be famous if he wasn’t gay? Hmmm, I think most of us fans would count that among the LEAST of things that makes him so fascinating to us, and the media would likely agree. Sure, he had the RS coming out issue, but other than Bill O’Reilly’s bizarre fascination with his sexuality, there is plenty of buzz and interest in him BEYOND him being gay (and this includes the AMA controversy, which was also not JUST about him being gay.)

    I’m not saying he wouldn’t still have a lot of fans but don’t I think he would be as famous if he didn’t a “scandal” going on around him(I didn’t think it was that big a deal but the general public seemed to think so)if it didn’t happen would he still get a record deal? sure, AMA perfomance? probable but not closing(IMO he wouldn’t be famous enough) EW cover while the competition was going on? no, rolling stones cover? no, being talked about on major shows and in magazines all the time? no. would he still be famous? yeah but on a Kris/David cook level, would he be as famous as he is now? hell no

    this JMO though and YOMV.

  146. I really don’t mean pushing boundaries as a way to create something new. Fact remains, AI alumn have a hard time penetrating the pop scene. Why? Becasue the pop scene is not about vocals. It’s about visual presentation, about putting on a show. If you both have vocals and the ability to put on a show, then good for you!

  147. Not sure where you are seeing this ‘“ because on all the top end of year lists he has made, I really haven’t seen ‘gay’  as one of the big comments (sure it is sometimes mentioned, but usually the big selling point is his amazing vocals, how he wowed AI audiences with his unexpected performances, etc.)

    Have you seen the Time listing for Most Important People of the Year (or something to that effect)? Not to mention most of the AMA coverage, which emphasized the male-on-male contact to an obvious exclusion of the other aspects of that performance. Or, really… I mean, I don’t feel I need to go on. The vocals, AI audiences… they’re all in the background outside the bubble. Seriously, I mention “Adam Lambert” in any context to almost anyone, and the response is “oh, the gay guy?” It’s downright dominant in his public perception, where it exists.

  148. I agree with your last statement. Simon understands pop culture, which doesn’t thrive on slow burning acts at all. It’s all about the flash and the glamour and the charisma, all of which Kris and Allison lack. And the occasional well timed, storyline-backed Susan Boyle.

    This makes me laugh. Now that Adam is in the picture, pop culture is ‘all about the flash and the glamour and the charisma.’ 

    What does Adam have to do with my statement at all? Adam didn’t change the nature of pop culture. What?

    As for charisma, well, that’s sort of like beauty, in in the eye of the beholder. I happen to think Kris has loads of it, while Adam leaves me cold and disinterested. I also think Allsion has a good deal of charisma.
    Not fan-warring, just stating my personal tastes.

    Well sure. Everything is arguable if you want to argue it. But it’s more the popular consensus that defines “truth” in pop culture. That is, if a certain artist is charismatic to most people, then they are a charismatic artist and that’s one of their strengths. Britney leaves some people utterly cold, but it doesn’t change the fact that a large part of her success is her charisma.

  149. Eileen99
    12/28/2009 at 5:28 pm
    He might not be as popular, but he’s certainly more famous.

    Or infamous?

    Wow, if you classify what he did at the AMAs as infamous, what do you call terrorists and serial killers?

  150. I really don’t mean pushing boundaries as a way to create something new. Fact remains, AI alumn have a hard time penetrating the pop scene. Why? Becasue the pop scene is not about vocals. It’s about visual presentation, about putting on a show. If you both have vocals and the ability to put on a show, then good for you!

    Absolutely! But that’s not to be confused with “pushing boundaries” in any way. Putting on a show can be done without doing anything that involves any real boundaries worth mentioning, and can be a lot of fun. Pop is about spectacle, to be sure. But spectacle can be just that.

  151. IMO he would have nowhere near the level of popularity and press if the burning man photo’s leaked. YOMV

    Adam has totally been an open book to the public. I’m sure the music industry is aware of Adam’s “past”, yet they continue to embrace him for the amazing talent that he brings to the music world.

  152. Let me repeat again’ ¦ what I am saying is that AI alumns rest very much on their voice when they perform. But that’s not what pop is about. Hence their trouble in breaking big into the pop scene. We might not like it and disagree, but it’s there.

    I think you’re bringing up an interesting subject, that’s hard to explain. What does it take to make it on CHR or the top 40, is that the question? It’s true that most Idols don’t do well there, they tend to do better on HAC, but it seems to me that Kelly, Daughtry, Kris and Adam have all shown up on top 40, and maybe Carrie I’m not sure (Before He Cheats maybe?). And didn’t DavidA have a big hit with Crush? Jordin’s also on top 40 isn’t she? (Am I confused, is top 40 what you mean by Pop?) Pop means popular, and lately it’s been dominated by hiphop/rap/r&b, but usually includes some rock, some country crossover, some alt rock, a little this and that.

    I think there are probably various factors involved here. Some possibilities that occur to me are:
    1) The singles chosen – tend to be the safe ones that are not as risky or the best on the cd (often)
    2) The first cds are rather rushed out, are often made with a variety of “cooks” involved in the kitchen, sometimes too much so. Often the Idol doesn’t have time or the opportunity to show their identity and who they are as an artist.
    3) There is resentment about Idols since there is much disdain for AI. Did they “pay their dues” for instance? HAC doesn’t seem to have the same resistance.
    4) The Idols sing a lot of old-fashioned covers on the show, which turns many top-40 listeners off, maybe?

    Just some thoughts about it.

  153. Absolutely! But that’s not to be confused with ‘pushing boundaries’  in any way. Putting on a show can be done without doing anything that involves any real boundaries worth mentioning, and can be a lot of fun. Pop is about spectacle, to be sure. But spectacle can be just that.

    Pretty much thiiiiis :)

  154. What Adam has going for him (besides the obvious vocal talent and charisma) is a dedicated and occasionally obsessive fan base that make sure he gets voted to the top of the “most popular” polls. He’s currently in #1 spot of a large list of entertainers at EOnline ( http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b159228_The_20_Bestest_Celebs_of_2009__Who_s_Star_of_the_Year_.html ) – even ahead of Robert Pattison – and I’m fairly confident he’ll win People’s Choice for Breakout Artist. I think that’s one reason Adam has a higher profile than someone like Kris Allen on the celeb gossip sites.

    BTW, any Adam fans wanting to sign a birthday card for him can go to this link: http://www.groupcard.com/c/anHx2xVCEKu

  155. As for charisma, well, that’s sort of like beauty, in in the eye of the beholder. I happen to think Kris has loads of it, while Adam leaves me cold and disinterested. I also think Allsion has a good deal of charisma.
    Not fan-warring, just stating my personal tastes.

    I think that is definitely an in the eye of the beholder kind of thing. I agree Allison has tons of charisma, but she’s quirky as hell and at first glance if you aren’t turned off by her, you might be intrigued. But American’s tend not to have that much of an attention span. He not being a cute little blond tartlet hurts too, unfortunately. I think Kris is talented, and funny, but truthfully think Archie has way more charisma. Adam has it in spades. Seriously. IMHO, YMMV, NGL, lol. Funny thing about charisma. I think Cookie is damn charismatic, don’t think he’s that cute, but charisma for days…..just don’t like his music. Think he can sing his face off, but his music leaves me cold. I could say stuff like this all day, and it really doesn’t mean much, because it’s just my perspective, and I am only one person. The only thing that makes me different from the general population is that I still buy cds.

  156. Absolutely! But that’s not to be confused with ‘pushing boundaries’  in any way. Putting on a show can be done without doing anything that involves any real boundaries worth mentioning, and can be a lot of fun. Pop is about spectacle, to be sure. But spectacle can be just that.

    Ok, sorry, I agree that was a bad choice of word. I couldn’t really find good words for my thoughts… :grin:

    I still think I have a very valid point though!

  157. Have you seen the Time listing for Most Important People of the Year (or something to that effect)?

    It was “People Who Mattered” and Adam was No. 9. SPEAKING OF WHICH, it’s been a while since we checked in on the Time People Who Mattered reader’s poll!

    OMG Adam’s at No. 3!!! He’s ahead of President Obama at No. 4!!!!

  158. )if it didn’t happen would he still get a record deal? sure, AMA perfomance? probable but not closing(IMO he wouldn’t be famous enough) EW cover while the competition was going on? no, rolling stones cover? no, being talked about on major shows and in magazines all the time? no. would he still be famous? yeah but on a Kris/David cook level, would he be as famous as he is now? hell no

    Well, obviously there’s no true way to know for sure how much his sexuality played in these decisions, but as others have pointed out before, if he WASN’T gay, I would venture a guess that he might have handily won AI (not that that was the ONLY thing against him, but it was probably a significant one), and had an easier time breaking into radio and being accepted. In other words, I think his sexuality is, unfortunately, far more of an impediment in today’s culture than a boon.

  159. Wow, if you classify what he did at the AMAs as infamous, what do you call terrorists and serial killers?

    Your response was better than mine!

  160. RT @YoSwanny @thedavidcook Can you describe the new ‘vibe’ ? / So far, lyrically, it’s all a bit more tongue-in-cheek. more urgent musically

    Oooh. Sounds like Kiss On the Neck. I flove it.

    I was thinking the same thing! Fits like a glove.
    “More urgent musically” really excites me. I can’t wait for the new cd.

    Wow, if you classify what he did at the AMAs as infamous, what do you call terrorists and serial killers?

    Don’t want to get involved, but must say, the original comment “infamous” didn’t strike me as that momentous or serious, seemed like a lighthearted comment to me. But ymmv.

    yes! to me he oozes charisma, it amazes me when others don’t see’ ¦but whatever.

    For me, I do think that Adam has charisma, however I also think that David Cook has lots of charisma, but in either case it might not be something that everyone sees, since we’re all so different.

  161. Let me repeat again’ ¦ what I am saying is that AI alumns rest very much on their voice when they perform. But that’s not what pop is about. Hence their trouble in breaking big into the pop scene. We might not like it and disagree, but it’s there.

    I think you’re bringing up an interesting subject, that’s hard to explain. What does it take to make it on CHR or the top 40, is that the question? It’s true that most Idols don’t do well there, they tend to do better on HAC, but it seems to me that Kelly, Daughtry, Kris and Adam have all shown up on top 40, and maybe Carrie I’m not sure (Before He Cheats maybe?). And didn’t DavidA have a big hit with Crush? Jordin’s also on top 40 isn’t she? (Am I confused, is top 40 what you mean by Pop?) Pop means popular, and lately it’s been dominated by hiphop/rap/r&b, but usually includes some rock, some country crossover, some alt rock, a little this and that.

    Well, I guess there are some definitional issues here. Pop can refer to a musical genre, or to music that sells on non-niche charts in general. I think what some people are talking about is the “pop music scene”, which really is this arena within media that advertises certain performers more broadly than any other performers.

    Idol performers have had issues breaking into this arena of visibility, on the whole. (Kelly maintains some presence) And that’s because Idol performers aren’t heavy on spectacle on the whole. It’s true, and frankly I’m actually OK with that. I don’t need my Idol performers to be the most visible sort. Some people would prefer they be, and if you wanted those ends you would need some auditioners who knew how to put on a show.

    Is that likely? Well… I don’t know. Putting on that kind of a show requires some experience that seems unlikely for an Idol auditioner. It’s possible, I suppose. Thing is, is that kind of experience comes from long periods of interacting with the music industry and related venues for long periods of time, in general. That’s, by design, not the story of your average Idol auditioner. So it’s a tough call, really.

  162. I think Cookie is damn charismatic

    I have to agree with this too.

  163. I still think I have a very valid point though!

    You do. I commented on it a little more above. :)

  164. It’s been fun reading all these posts.

    This is kind of random, but we heard FYE being played at an iceskating rink today. That was surprising and kind of cool.

  165. Have you seen the Time listing for Most Important People of the Year (or something to that effect)?

    It was ‘People Who Mattered’  and Adam was No. 9. SPEAKING OF WHICH, it’s been a while since we checked in on the Time People Who Mattered reader’s poll!

    OMG Adam’s at No. 3!!! He’s ahead of President Obama at No. 4!!!!

    Before fans even voted, Time Magazine chose him to be #8.

  166. Jurnee
    12/28/2009 at 5:48 pm
    What Adam has going for him (besides the obvious vocal talent and charisma) is a dedicated and occasionally obsessive fan base that make sure he gets voted to the top of the ‘most popular’  polls. He’s currently in #1 spot of a large list of entertainers at EOnline ( http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b159228_The_20_Bestest_Celebs_of_2009__Who_s_Star_of_the_Year_.html ) ‘“ even ahead of Robert Pattison ‘“ and I’m fairly confident he’ll win People’s Choice for Breakout Artist. That’s one reason Adam has a higher profile on the celeb gossip sites I think.

    Eh, all Idol winners and runners up have obsessive fan bases. Last year Archie and Cook’s album were #2 and #3 in RS Readers Poll. I went back and looked at other polls and they were well represented. I read the EW online article this year regarding who should be named in the Best New Artist and Cook fans were obsessively commenting that he should be there. VH-1 last year was full of Archie and Cook fans obsessively voting for their videos. It’s there every year. Cook was in the gossip pages last year, not as much as Adam of course, but his relationship with Caldwell definitely was in there. Cook has a lot of charisma, so does Archie, just a different type of charisma. Adam is represented as well, but he’s also making many lists that are not fan-vote honors from both national media and some city media.

  167. Say what you will…unless an Artist is willing to “think” out of the box they are safe and predictable. And safe and predictable will get you gold and platinum records, and a nice recording career, and some awards, and money and a core fan group. Singers have been doing this for years and years…and there is nothing wrong with it.

    But, there is also room for those with good to immense talent that have a way of being outside of the box. They get people to sit up and take notice, they are discussed at the water cooler, they make year end lists for good stuff and not so good stuff, and eventually they become household names. They might not sell as good as a safe singer but that probably isn’t their main goal. And if their core fangroup dissolves they are so widely “known” that they can pick up new fans with just a small shift in focus.

    There is nothing wrong with wanting to be a “celebrity”. It isn’t a dirty word and it has a lot of perks, as well as some downfalls. Some people’s personalities just lead them towards celebritism while some people just do their “job” and do it well. One way is not better than the other…they are just different. And each has their downfalls because sometimes being too safe just means that when your core fanbase tires of you there isn’t a secondary audience to rely on.

  168. Before fans even voted, Time Magazine chose him to be #8.

    Oops, he was indeed No. 8. Thanks for the correction.

  169. but he’s also making many lists that are not fan-vote honors from both national media and some city media.

    And he (Adam) is being placed on these polls and lists by his own merits not because his fanbase pushed for it.

  170. Well, obviously there’s no true way to know for sure how much his sexuality played in these decisions, but as others have pointed out before, if he WASN’T gay, I would venture a guess that he might have handily won AI (not that that was the ONLY thing against him, but it was probably a significant one), and had an easier time breaking into radio and being accepted. In other words, I think his sexuality is, unfortunately, far more of an impediment in today’s culture than a boon.

    Once again, I totally agree with you, Mary102. I always had the feeling that the reason Adam was never “picked up” before AI is because that no one wanted to take a chance on an openly gay musician from the start. Like Paula once mentioned, it is shocking that he had not been “grabbed” earlier.

  171. I like Canadian Idol and have watched a couple of seasons

    Canadian Idol judges are a complete joke – no one even knows who the eff they are. And with the exception of a couple of people the show has produced nothin’. IMHO (of course) ;)

  172. Look, having something be ‘weird’  isn’t pushing boundaries. Not in this climate.

    Heh, sometimes I see “pushing boundaries” in a song as simple as “Hey There Delilah” that was shocking in its simplicity. Anything different from the current norm is perhaps pushing boundaries. When we’ve all beeen shocked, shocked, and shocked again by violence, vulgarity, nudity, you name it, its’ kind of shocking when someone doesn’t go there, and reverts back to pure singing and music. Like, I’m not so sure that Taylor Swift is all that safe, sure in some ways she is, but she’s also been a groundbreaker in other ways, definitely moving country music in a more pop direction for instance. She also shows that sincerety still sells, and not everyone has to jump on the “shocker” bandwagon. I mean, there’s a place for that too, just saying, boundaries go in all directions.

  173. A few more thoughts on the spectacle thing…

    There have been some Idol performers with experience, to be sure. But it’s interesting to note that most of them really have come out of three arenas; theatre (this really includes the veteran TV competition types; they’re really the same kind of vibe), the indie scene, and the session musician arena(I may be overestimating these, as I can only remember one, but I would be surprised to find that I’m remembering the only one).

    None of these arenas are actually very helpful in creating the kind of spectacle one would expect for the pop music scene. Theatre performers are known for histrionics, to be sure, but they’re largely self-contained to the person; thus, we get a lot of over-the-top vocal antics and some exaggerated movements, but not really much more than that. The indie scene actually sometimes disparages these histrionics with their emphasis on authenticity and musicality. (It does, however, draw out many performers on the charts. But they tend to be pretty invisible in the visible media elements) And it’s irrelevant to the session musician, certainly.

    What actually makes Adam in part so unique is that he comes from the cabaret scene. Or, more specifically, the West Hollywood cabaret scene; I recognize not all are equal and have the same aspects and yadayadayada. I have found it continually amusing that Cowell and co. disparage cabaret performances, because it’s the one arena where you’ll find a lot of spectacle being used on the small-scale along with vocal ability. If I was looking for a potentially new The Next Big Thing for the pop scene, it would be the first place I would look (I know a lot of performers in the Reno and Vegas scenes who are very good at staging a kind of spectacle, in particular).

  174. I like Canadian Idol and have watched a couple of seasons

    I would like to see that, how did you watch it, on youtube? I used to live near the Canadian border and I watched a lot of figure skating on Canadian tv, and really liked the coverage better than U.S. coverage. I’m not crazy about the U.S. Idol judges overall, and the quirky low-key judges of Canadian Idol sound like a nice change of pace. Kind of Ben Foldish.

  175. Heh, sometimes I see ‘pushing boundaries’  in a song as simple as ‘Hey There Delilah’  that was shocking in its simplicity. Anything different from the current norm is perhaps pushing boundaries.

    But isn’t that a little too far in its definition? Why aren’t the musicians doing wonderful work in pushing the boundaries of music not considered “pushing boundaries” to the pop music scene? (Note: I am referencing this discussion as to the pop music scene. If we’re talking pushing boundaries as an overall concept, it’s a very different discussion. However, I will say that if you define “pushing boundaries” as “different”, you’re in danger of robbing the term of any particular meaning in favor of something universal, which isn’t helpful at all)

  176. Like, I’m not so sure that Taylor Swift is all that safe, sure in some ways she is, but she’s also been a groundbreaker in other ways, definitely moving country music in a more pop direction for instance.

    I actually wanted to give Taylor as an example of doing something different. Not sure which show this was, maybe European Music Awards. She performed in the dark, sitting alone on a chair, with a hooded sweater with the hood up, singing to her own guitar. I remember she got headlines for that.

    It was a very effective contrast to the rest and she did it intentionally.

  177. DavidArchie: Today I turn 19! Time flies!!! It’s been a great morning already! Thanks everyone for all your birthday wishes!!!

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    #HappyBdayArchie is trending again. It’s been trending off and on all day since midnight. Currently at #6. Woohooo!

  178. And he (Adam) is being placed on these polls and lists by his own merits not because his fanbase pushed for it.

    Since many Idol contestants, especially those who make the top half of the pack, are good singers, I just don’t see what merits he has that others didn’t/don’t have.

  179. As for Kris and Allison though, I have already counted the latter out. LLWD *has* been doing surprisingly well though, so I’m going to withhold judgment until I see how his second single does.

    I guess I must ask: why has LLWD doing “surprisingly well?” Why should it be a surprise if LLWD is doing well? It’s stuff like this I frankly don’t get.

  180. Sherena: Well sure. Everything is arguable if you want to argue it. But it’s more the popular consensus that defines ‘truth’  in pop culture. That is, if a certain artist is charismatic to most people, then they are a charismatic artist and that’s one of their strengths. Britney leaves some people utterly cold, but it doesn’t change the fact that a large part of her success is her charisma.

    I figure the artist who was voted by the most people as the winner of American Idol defines a popular consensus of what ‘charismatic’  is. YMMV.

    I think there are way too many variables to make that kind of a logical jump. (There are factors that aren’t charisma, to be sure; presentation, performance quality, etc. aren’t really charisma)

    To be fair, though, trying to talk with any substance about “charisma” is a lot like talking about “wisdom”; it’s pretty circumstantially understood, anyway, so it’s a relatively useless venture.

  181. “That’s a subjective opinion”

    “If you read my previous posts I used ‘IMHO’  and ‘YMMV’  several times. Just forgot here.”

    Um, didn’t mean anything by that first comment, sorry you took it that way. It was just a way to start off my post and lead into the point I was making. No criticism of you for expressing an opinion was meant to be implied.

  182. And he (Adam) is being placed on these polls and lists by his own merits not because his fanbase pushed for it.

    Since many Idol contestants, especially those who make the top half of the pack, are good singers, I just don’t see what merits he has that others didn’t/don’t have.

    I’m not talking about other singers, I’m talking about Adam.

  183. Isn’t Adam’s birthday on January 29th?

    That birthday card to “sign” says he will turn 29 on January 28th.
    I thought he will be turning 28 on January 29th.

    Someone correct me if I’m wrong…thanks.

  184. woops, I thought I’ve closed the door to the past. Sorry for the disturbance.

  185. “I do think that idol can survive without Simon if the get the right type of person in his place. I’m not sure who that is, but I think there is someone out there. And who know, maybe we can have an American this time since this is American idol. ”

    I wrote on another thread , after MJ had put up about the recent show about “choirs” that Ben Folds would make an excellent judge on AI. He is witty, interested in ALL contestants & knowledgeable about music – none of these attributes Simon has!!

  186. Since many Idol contestants, especially those who make the top half of the pack, are good singers, I just don’t see what merits he has that others didn’t/don’t have.

    IMHO – Adam is not just a good singer – much much more than that. The guy is also amazing in an interview, at home, articulate and witty – much more so than any contestant before him. It would appear that he also has more media/industry backing than any contestant before him as well….I truly believe they know what they are looking at.

  187. thank you squirrely. I don’t think anyone wants to be one year older than they really are! (me).

  188. Since many Idol contestants, especially those who make the top half of the pack, are good singers, I just don’t see what merits he has that others didn’t/don’t have.

    Well, this was sort of the point with my whole argument. I think Adam is interesting to the mainstream media and pop culture because his focus is both visual and vocal.

  189. Still think Adam and David Cook are the two most charismatic men to come out of Idol. Daughtry and Archie are charismatic also, but to a lesser degree. For the females, Fantasia is probably the most charismatic for me. Kelly and Carrie are definitely tops in female talent, but I’m not drawn to either of their personalities, just their music. Well, not Carrie’s because I’m not a country fan.

  190. I feel it my duty to point out that there has never been any official announcement that Simon is leaving AI this year, or any year for that matter. I just think the article is a little misleading in that regard, especially given this quote:

    It’s a quote from a poster on the internet who feels she got confirmation. It’s an opinion, not a statement of fact. But I do take your point.

  191. As for Kris and Allison though, I have already counted the latter out. LLWD *has* been doing surprisingly well though, so I’m going to withhold judgment until I see how his second single does.

    I guess I must ask: why has LLWD doing ‘surprisingly well?’  Why should it be a surprise if LLWD is doing well? It’s stuff like this I frankly don’t get.

    LLWD doing well will only mean something when his album sales pick up (considerably IMHO). I think that a lot of people are “surprised” because it is really a crappy song. I think that they could have done better for him. YMMV

  192. I wrote on another thread , after MJ had put up about the recent show about ‘choirs’  that Ben Folds would make an excellent judge on AI. He is witty, interested in ALL contestants & knowledgeable about music ‘“ none of these attributes Simon has!!

    He would make a great judge I agree, but now that Ellen’s there, they might cancel each other out, both being mild-mannered quirky types. Since Ben knows more about music than Ellen, I’d probably wish he could be there instead of her, but to replace Simon, I think they need someone more acerbic, or blunt, or something to counter Ellen, Randy, and Kara.

  193. I guess I must ask: why has LLWD doing ‘surprisingly well?’  Why should it be a surprise if LLWD is doing well? It’s stuff like this I frankly don’t get.

    I agree Ross. Lots of people were very eager to write off LLWD in the beginning as it was slow to take off. These same people now don’t understand why it is doing well!! Same with Kris’s album – well his album hasn’t fallen off the radar & has started to move back up the charts .
    I believe there are a number of reasons LLWD is now doing well, the main one being all his appearances & Jingle Balls . I believe the more people hear Kris & his band perform live – the more they will connect with the songs on his album which has started to happen recently with sales as they have been doing a brilliant job with their live performances & connecting with the audience!!

  194. Still think Adam and David Cook are the two most charismatic men to come out of Idol. Daughtry and Archie are charismatic also, but to a lesser degree. For the females, Fantasia is probably the most charismatic for me. Kelly and Carrie are definitely tops in female talent, but I’m not drawn to either of their personalities, just their music. Well, not Carrie’s because I’m not a country fan.

    Aww… really? I’d agree with you about Carrie, but in terms of personal charisma, I’m not sure it gets any more engaging than Kelly Clarkson. IMO, she’s easily the strongest personality to come out of Idol, if not necessarily the most unique. But, again, charisma is circumstantial, eye of the beholder, etc…

    (Edited because I made an idiotic word choice)

  195. Mark, sorry, I’m having a hard time editing, part of my post must have been lost. Here’s the part of my original post you were responding to:

    Sherena: Well sure. Everything is arguable if you want to argue it. But it’s more the popular consensus that defines ‘truth’  in pop culture. That is, if a certain artist is charismatic to most people, then they are a charismatic artist and that’s one of their strengths. Britney leaves some people utterly cold, but it doesn’t change the fact that a large part of her success is her charisma.

    ross (me): I figure the artist who was voted by the most people as the winner of American Idol defines a popular consensus of what ‘charismatic’  is. YMMV.

    I agree with you there are many variables, but I’m just not ready to point to the press’s fascination with Adam as some sort of proof of the “popular consensus.” Let’s wait and see. If people are going to bring up popular consensus I would have to say the only real proof of any popular consensus that any of these idols have the X factor, star quality, charisma, etc., is how many votes they got. At this early point.

    I’m frankly a little unsettled by people automatically accepting a statement that Kris has no charisma. I don’t know who it was all those girls at Madison Square Garden were screaming for, I thought it was Kris. Maybe a mouse was running around on the floor. Look him up on twitter sometime and read what people write about his appeal to them.
    No charisma? That’s frankly just absurd.

    I can’t speak for Allsion’s charisma, I don’t know enough about her appeal. I’m also not happy to see these two lumped together, since Kris is doing much better than she is in album sales, and he has a single on the radio that is doing far better than hers or any of Adam’s three attempts so far. Not meant as a dig, I’m sure Adam will finally have a hit this time. But let’s give people their due.

  196. He would make a great judge I agree, but now that Ellen’s there, they might cancel each other out, both being mild-mannered quirky types. Since Ben knows more about music than Ellen, I’d probably wish he could be there instead of her, but to replace Simon, I think they need someone more acerbic, or blunt, or something to counter Ellen, Randy, and Kara.

    Maybe they could get Bill O’Reilly! He’d have the gay guys and gals out of their lickety-split and can make obscene phone calls to Bruce Gowers at the same time, he’s a multi-tasker!

  197. Still think Adam and David Cook are the two most charismatic men to come out of Idol. Daughtry and Archie are charismatic also, but to a lesser degree. For the females, Fantasia is probably the most charismatic for me. Kelly and Carrie are definitely tops in female talent, but I’m not drawn to either of their personalities, just their music. Well, not Carrie’s because I’m not a country fan.

    I agree on Adam and David Cook. Fantasia and Jennifer Hudson on the women for me and even Kellie Pickler can be engaging in a quirky way. Carrie has the personality of wood and Kelly Clarkson does not seem comfortable with herself to me.

  198. From idf

    Sony Music Shop and Tower Records Japan have started taking pre-orders for Adam’s CD

    http://www.sonymusicshop.jp/detail.asp?goods=SICP000002617

    http://www.towerrecords.co.jp/sitemap/CSfCardMain.jsp?GOODS_NO=2022219&GOODS_SORT_CD=101

    There is also some kind of launching event:
    http://www.sonymusic.co.jp/Music/International/Special/adamlambert/special/100228/

    From the song list, Japan FYE CD is the same as its US version, but I remember it will have some bonus tracks that are exclusive in Japan or UK version (such as Voodoo and the other song written by Justin Hawkins). I’m waiting for more info.

  199. I agree with you there are many variables, but I’m just not ready to point to then press’s fascination with Adam as some sort of proof of the ‘popular consensus.’  If people are going to bring up popular consensus I would have to say the only real proof of any popular consensus that any of these idols have the X factor, star quality, charisma, etc., is how many b=votes they got.

    Eh, until they limit the votes to one per person, I don’t think you can garner a damn thing from number of votes. Maybe you can use sales. Maybe you can use promotional opportunites. Maybe concert attendance. Tour merchandise sales. Not AI votes.

  200. (Note: I am referencing this discussion as to the pop music scene. If we’re talking pushing boundaries as an overall concept, it’s a very different discussion. However, I will say that if you define ‘pushing boundaries’  as ‘different’ , you’re in danger of robbing the term of any particular meaning in favor of something universal, which isn’t helpful at all)

    I was using it in a more universal sense, you’re right. The “pop music scene” you are talking about, isn’t a concept I’m really familiar with. It sounds vague to me, but it’s interesting to hear what you say about it. Is it really something definable?

  201. Editing is cool, Ross. I got it.

    I’m frankly a little unsettled by people automatically accepting a statement that Kris has no charisma. I don’t know who it was all those girls at Madison Square Garden were screaming for, I thought it was Kris. Maybe a mouse was running around on the floor. Look him up on twitter sometime and read what people write about his appeal to them.
    No charisma? That’s frankly just absurd.

    I can’t speak for Allsion’s charisma, I don’t know enough about her appeal. I’m also not happy to see these two lumped together, since Kris is doing much better than she is in album sales, and he has a single on the radio that is doing far better than hers or any of Adam’s three attempts so far. Not meant as a dig, I’m sure Adam will finally have a hit this time. But let’s give people their due.

    Mind you, I wasn’t saying I agreed with people writing off Kris’s charisma. I don’t actually happen to agree that he has none, really, certainly not on the musical side.

    But I don’t think one can make the jump from winning the show to saying that a person has more or less charisma. That is, unless you’re defining personal charisma as the ability influence people as measured by votes, at which point you’d be tautologically correct. As a general concept of personal persuasion and involvement, though, there’s a lot that goes on in-between there and then. For example, simply outperforming the person would probably have an effect on the votes; that’s not an issue of charisma, that’s an issue of being presenting a good musical product. And so on.

    You might even argue that charisma is in different types. Take a cult leader. They’re able to draw the passionate love of several few that share a certain frame… and ambivalent to the rest. I’d say that cult leaders generally are charismatic. Then take a politician. A politician is able to draw the support of a broad base of people, but not really their undying devotion. I’d say many a politician is charismatic.

    I also further agree that the pop scene’s consensus is indicative of a broad consensus, or that album or single sales are about any kind of broad consensus in that sense either. It’s way too complicated an evaluation, and the context is so dependent that I’m totally unable to make that kind of logical leap.

  202. I was using it in a more universal sense, you’re right. The ‘pop music scene’  you are talking about, isn’t a concept I’m really familiar with. It sounds vague to me, but it’s interesting to hear what you say about it. Is it really something definable?

    I earlier defined it as the media elements which promote a certain base of individuals to a generally broader sphere than any other performer, as evidenced in online celebrity media, high-profile advertisement, continuing entertainment media involvement, and (though I might need to put some kind of asterik here) general name recognition.

  203. Just a side note about how much love these guys get from their fans, I have been watching the twitter trending and it amazes me because it takes thousands and thousands of #happybdayarchie twitters to trend. In addition, I see that David A. tweeted a twit-pic of him and his birthday cake 44 minutes ago and that picture has already been viewed 11,485 times. That just amazes me. I am sure on Cook’s bday and Adam & Kris’ b-days similar things will/have happened. But the power of twitter is great! I loved that Paula Abdul tweeted to David just after midnight on his birthday and more than 1million people follow Paula. This is really fun to watch.

  204. It was a very effective contrast to the rest and she did it intentionally.

    Right on, I think she’s pretty innovative, coming from a country background she does push boundaries within that realm. And she’s so young, too.

    I am sure on Cook’s bday and Adam & Kris’ b-days similar things will/have happened.

    Yeah, David Cook has been “trended” several times. It is pretty amazing how huge the fan bases are for many of the Idols.

  205. From idf

    Sony Music Shop and Tower Records Japan have started taking pre-orders for Adam’s CD

    http://www.sonymusicshop.jp/detail.asp?goods=SICP000002617

    http://www.towerrecords.co.jp/sitemap/CSfCardMain.jsp?GOODS_NO=2022219&GOODS_SORT_CD=101

    There is also some kind of launching event:
    http://www.sonymusic.co.jp/Music/International/Special/adamlambert/special/100228/

    From the song list, Japan FYE CD is the same as its US version, but I remember it will have some bonus tracks that are exclusive in Japan or UK version (such as Voodoo and the other song written by Justin Hawkins). I’m waiting for more info.

    The only thing I understood was ‘Adam Lambert’ but anyways – I wouldn’t even be mad if his touring starts overseas. If he gets a bigger reception there then I say go for it.

  206. In regards to charisma, I think Kris, Adam and Danny all have it in spades. I just think for all 3 of them it comes out in very different ways. For Allison, I think she has it but because she is still young she just doesn’t quite channel it in the best way at this point. Sometimes I wish she had waited at least another year or two before going for AI because it would have given her a chance to develop this side of herself and would help her enormously at this point

  207. am sure on Cook’s bday and Adam & Kris’ b-days similar things will/have happened.

    Kris’s birthday trended in June. I expect Adam’s will trend as well.

  208. I was using it in a more universal sense, you’re right. The ‘pop music scene’  you are talking about, isn’t a concept I’m really familiar with. It sounds vague to me, but it’s interesting to hear what you say about it. Is it really something definable?

    Taking a second crack at this comment, as well.

    It’s true that the discussion changes in reference to the pop music scene. But I will say I won’t quite buy an argument which conflates “different” with “pushing boundaries”.

    Let me give a convenient definition of “pushing boundaries” that can be applied universally; a use of some medium in a way which alters a mode of thinking, either by offending the underlying assumptions on which it sits or by demonstrating alternate assumptions. Let’s then take “Hey There, Delilah”. Interesting and possibly different? Yes. Attacking assumptions or altering them? Well, no. But it’s still worthy for being interesting.

  209. I guess I must ask: why has LLWD doing ‘surprisingly well?’  Why should it be a surprise if LLWD is doing well? It’s stuff like this I frankly don’t get.

    Because the song is mediocre. At this point I’m more interested in hearing what the second single is. never liked LLWD & hope to like the next. YMMV

  210. Just a comment on the overall American Idol, Simon and the AI8 discussion:

    1. Idol will not be the same without Simon because he is the only of the four past judges who was honest and had credibililty. Randy and Kara know a lot about the business, and are both more current than Simon, but they are not honest. Sometimes Kara just sounds confused. Adam the harshest thing Randy every says is “I don’t know dawg — that just didn’t work for me.”

    2. They has a real chance to reinvigorate Idol when they brought in Kara [miss #1 – good on paper but not a great judge] and when they replaced Paula [miss #2 – would have been great to add someone under 35 who has experience in the music business – like maybe a producer.]

    3. The key to Idol is keeping a balance between the drama of a reality TV show and the talent contest. The selection of a comedian [Ellen] as Paula’s replacement just proved to me that they will shift Idol more to a reality TV show than a talent contest.

    4. Simon may be harsh but he is almost always right — SuBo sold a ton of records, Taylor Hicks did not become a successful recording artist [although I am a big fan of Taylor live], etc. And I think Simon will be proven right about this year’s Idol crop:

    Simon predicted that Kris would upset Adam, that Kris wouldn’t be a very successful recording artist, that Allison wouldn’t be successful unless she unscrambled her personality/personal style/vocal style, Danny is vocally gifted but confused about who he is, and he said Adam was “too theatrical” for the majority of Americans but would be the first true international star producted by Idol. He was right across the board.

    Kris won Idol and is not selling a ton of records. He will not be forgotten in the next few years because he won American Idol, but I really doubt that he will ever be famous as a vocalist, a musician or a songwritter.

    Allison did not define a clear artistic brand personality, and produced an album that has no apparent market. I think that Allison has termendous talent and has a real shot of success when she grows up — just not as a teen artist. Note: doubt that she will get to do a second album with Jive/Sony.

    Danny has a vocal gift but lacks an understanding of how to use it. Hopefully, he can find people to work with who will help him develop better technical skills and develop as an artist.

    Adam did not win Idol but looks like he may be the first true Global pop star from Idol. He is a really talented vocalist, has a clearly defined brand and personal style, is able to effectively communicate in a wide range of media, and is willing to make the sacrifices that stardom requires. Other Idol alums were really talented singers [Kelly], some had the desire [Clay], some were great communicators [Cook], but Adam is the first Idol alum to combine all of these with a distictive brand and personal style.

  211. Didn’t David C just have his bday? DC, Archie and Adam are all Aquarius, yes? I think Aquarius are mysterious and unpredictable which is good for artists. Sorry to put a shallow note in such a deep discussion :D

    ETA, especially when it follows Q3’s in depth analysis…

  212. I guess I must ask: why has LLWD doing ‘surprisingly well?’  Why should it be a surprise if LLWD is doing well? It’s stuff like this I frankly don’t get.

    I’ve always felt this was an extremely negative thing – to imply that it is a surprise that this song has done well. I’ve always thought Kris had an extremely radio friendly voice. And while LLWD is not my favorite song on the album it was a savvy choice by Jive to make it the first single because it is quite the earworm.

  213. Wow, if you classify what he did at the AMAs as infamous, what do you call terrorists and serial killers?

    LOL, I’d call them terrorists and serial killers.

    Just because one has a negative opinion of Adam’s AMA performance, doesn’t mean they equate it to the other things you mention. Infamy in one common definition simply means distasteful or disgraceful.

    My charisma-o-meter: Kris yes, Adam no. However, it doesn’t mean I can’t recognize that others might view it differently. I happen to prefer subtlety over um… not-so-subtle.

  214. I earlier defined it as the media elements which promote a certain base of individuals to a generally broader sphere than any other performer, as evidenced in online celebrity media, high-profile advertisement, continuing entertainment media involvement, and (though I might need to put some kind of asterik here) general name recognition.

    Okay, I think that’s something that I’m not fond of or into, in fact it might be something I dislike, as in when I wonder why someone like Britney Spears is so huge, why the same few artists/groups dominate the awards shows, etc. I don’t think I like the way a select few are chosen to be “the ones” and are promoted ad nauseum, it’s that kind of blockbuster corporate mentality? If I’m making any sense. I guess I’m a more organic type of person, personally. I remember when music was something that happened and not so much something that was created in a corporate office. But correct me if I’m way off base here.

    Basically I like a lot of the music on top 40, don’t like much of it also, and like a lot that isn’t on that chart, so I’m probably not the demographic for the “current pop scene” which would explain why I didn’t really know what y’all meant in the first place.

  215. I think Adam is charming and has a lot of charisma. However, I think Kris also has a lot of personality and charisma. That’s evident if you watch his more recent performances, read his tweets or look at some of his more recent interviews. He isn’t as controversial as Adam, he’s not nearly as flamboyant or in your face as Adam can be at times. But charisma is NOT limited to those who are in your face, flashy, etc. There are lots of different types of charisma.

    There’s nothing that says you have to have a certain type of personality to make it in the music business. For example, Taylor Swift, Jay-Z, Lady Gaga, John Mayer — their personalities and their musical styles don’t seem to have a ton in common. Yet all are enormously successful.

    Likewise, there are a lot of ways music can be “out of the box”. Something simple like changing up an arrangement can make a song seem out of the box. An arresting visual performance of a song can make it seem out of the box. Challenging people’s stereotypes or perceptions can result in being out of the box.

    Just like there can be different types of charisma, there can be different ways of being “out of the box”. There isn’t a “one size fits all” mentality in the entertainment business. Which is a great thing, because if every performer had the same type of personality or performance/musical style, things would get really boring in a big hurry.

  216. Voodoo and the other song written by Justin Hawkins

    I don’t think the Suburban Decay will end up as a bonus track, that has never been implied. Adam said in an interview with Jim that they might try to add it to a movie soundtrack CD if anyone was interested (preferebly the new twilight). I think Voodoo has been confirmed for the UK release. Will be interesting to see what bonus track end up on the Japanese one! Maybe something unheard of before?

  217. Didn’t David C just have his bday?

    He did, but I don’t think that’s Aquarius, maybe Capricorn? Or whatever comes before Capricorn, Saggitarious?

  218. 4. Simon may be harsh but he is almost always right ‘” SuBo sold a ton of records, Taylor Hicks did not become a successful recording artist [although I am a big fan of Taylor live], etc. And I think Simon will be proven right about this year’s Idol crop:

    He gets more credit than he deserves for this, IMO. He’s made some predictions that have come true; he’s also then made predictions that didn’t pan out, but then went to some media source saying the opposite thing so he could be quoted as having made that prediction. He is genuinely savvy; he’s also the biggest bandwagon jumper on the face of the Earth.

    (Plus; it’s a very different issue when you are an individual who has a good deal of power to make these predictions (which he kind of does) come true than as someone who is strictly an observer)

  219. Okay, I think that’s something that I’m not fond of or into, in fact it might be something I dislike, as in when I wonder why someone like Britney Spears is so huge, why the same few artists/groups dominate the awards shows, etc. I don’t think I like the way a select few are chosen to be ‘the ones’  and are promoted ad nauseum, it’s that kind of blockbuster corporate mentality? If I’m making any sense. I guess I’m a more organic type of person, personally. I remember when music was something that happened and not so much something that was created in a corporate office. But correct me if I’m way off base here.

    Basically I like a lot of the music on top 40, don’t like much of it also, and like a lot that isn’t on that chart, so I’m probably not the demographic for the ‘current pop scene’  which would explain why I didn’t really know what y’all meant in the first place.

    Believe me, this isn’t a question of “liking something”. I am not a fan of the current pop music scene, and the forms of influence and behavior one has to use to get there in general. I’ll take my performers of choice from outside of it more than within it. But the comment was in reference to the question, “why aren’t we having visible pop stars coming out of American Idol?”, and thus in reference to what is “pushing boundaries”, insofar as someone claimed that was what was necessary for success within it.

    (I’d argue that very few boundaries are being pushed in the pop music scene, and that hasn’t been true for decades, FWIW. And thus argued that it’s really more about spectacle which Idol performers tend to lack, and even in an earlier comment got in-depth into why I thought that was)

  220. I don’t think the Suburban Decay will end up as a bonus track, that has never been implied.

    Yes Suburban Decay!!! I listened to Justin Hawkins’s version. I think Adam will do a very good job interpreting it.

    I think Voodoo has been confirmed for the UK release.

    I hope Voodoo will be available for purchase as a single song on itunes. Judging from the name and the fact that Adam co-wrote it, I think it will be something like DTRH which I love~~~~

    Will be interesting to see what bonus track end up on the Japanese one! Maybe something unheard of before?

    There is a third song which I can’t recall the name because it’s a generic love song name. We’ll see. It would be interesting indeed.

  221. Didn’t David C just have his bday? DC, Archie and Adam are all Aquarius, yes? I think Aquarius are mysterious and unpredictable which is good for artists. Sorry to put a shallow note in such a deep discussion

    David Cook is a Sagittarius and Archie is a Capricorn.

  222. I don’t think that Simon is the only honest judge. Blunt, rude, maybe. I think that most of the time, Randy and Paula are also being honest, though Paula tries to sugar-coat things too much.

    I don’t think that Simon is usually right. He’s often wrong. Many times Paula and Randy are right and he is not. He wouldn’t have put people like Daughtry and Cook through in the early rounds. They went through thanks to Paula and Randy. He didn’t care for Kelly much until well into season 1. Because she wasn’t thin enough or pretty enough for him. He has fairly narrow ideas of what a “pop star” looks like.

    He makes a lot of pronouncements, which often turn out to be wrong. Now and then he is right. I find myself agreeing with him sometimes, and totally disagreeing other times. Many times I agree with something Paula or Randy says.

    Simon has always acted bored, every season, he’s always needed a cigarette, he’s always acted like a child with Paula. He’s always been halfway interesting and halfway annoying. They can definitely replace him, but it has to be someone charismatic and sharp, and witty.

  223. He did, but I don’t think that’s Aquarius, maybe Capricorn? Or whatever comes before Capricorn, Saggitarious?

    DC’s birthday is Dec 20. He is borderline Saggitarious. He said so himself at one interview.

  224. 1. Idol will not be the same without Simon because he is the only of the four past judges who was honest and had credibililty.

    As a long time Idol watcher I have to say Simon does INDEED lie. He’s even admitted to it. When Kim Locke had a fantastic night and Ruben not so much on Top 3 night S2, he admitted to a reporter that he downplayed her performance on purpose, in order to prop up Ruben. Simon does this sort of thing quite frequently.

    4. Simon may be harsh but he is almost always right

    He was totally wrong about Kelly Clarkson, whom he blew off early in the S1 competition.

    ETA: Oh, and Simon missed the Jennifer Hudson boat by a huge, yawning mile….

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  226. I don’t think that Simon is the only honest judge. Blunt, rude, maybe. I think that most of the time, Randy and Paula are also being honest, though Paula tries to sugar-coat things too much.

    I don’t think that Simon is usually right. He’s often wrong. Many times Paula and Randy are right and he is not. He wouldn’t have put people like Daughtry and Cook through in the early rounds. They went through thanks to Paula and Randy. He didn’t care for Kelly much until well into season 1. Because she wasn’t thin enough or pretty enough for him. He has fairly narrow ideas of what a ‘pop star’  looks like.

    He makes a lot of pronouncements, which often turn out to be wrong. Now and then he is right. I find myself agreeing with him sometimes, and totally disagreeing other times. Many times I agree with something Paula or Randy says.

    Simon has always acted bored, every season, he’s always needed a cigarette, he’s always acted like a child with Paula. He’s always been halfway interesting and halfway annoying. They can definitely replace him, but it has to be someone charismatic and sharp, and witty.

    Absolutely on point. Also; this is the naive fool in me, but I’d wish that an Idol judge could *gasp* elevate the musical discourse. And Simon’s value is so much wrapped up in embodying the disinterested consumer. Can’t we find someone charismatic and engaging (and, sure, completely caustic) who can rise above that, pretty please?

  227. I guess I’m a more organic type of person, personally. I remember when music was something that happened and not so much something that was created in a corporate office. But correct me if I’m way off base here.

    The funny thing for me… is that I generally a more organic type of person. I have many CDs with these types of artists sitting on my shelf. Somewhere along the way the ‘organic’ musician also seems to be coming from some sort of a mass produced music factory. They’ve all become junk food to me… sounding exactly the same. Only in the last 2 years have I started listening to top 40 again and found something different. I’ve found this to be a strange evolution in my preference and never saw it coming.

  228. I remember when music was something that happened and not so much something that was created in a corporate office. But correct me if I’m way off base here.

    I’ve been listening to music the better part of my 60 some odd years and I can never really remember a time when music “just happened”. The music industry has been “owned” by TPTB for as long as I can remember…and it is the very few and the very rare that have made it “big” without some backing from the corporate machine.

    There have always been the “promoters”, the big producers, the record company moguls. And many of the iconic figures of music were as much a creation as anything else…MJ came from MoTown, Elvis was pushed and prodded by Col. Parker, 50s radio DJs created many a star and the list goes on and on.

    The little guy that burns a CD in their garage and goes on to watch it skyrocket to instant fame is nice as a cheap TV movie theme, but it doesn’t really happen. Overnight success is never overnight…and in this industry it is as much who you know as what you know. And after you have worked your butt off to get to the point of being noticed someone invariably takes the credit for making you a star, and oftentimes it is the fans who think that. Ya, right!

  229. Also; this is the naive fool in me, but I’d wish that an Idol judge could *gasp* elevate the musical discourse.

    Thank God for naive fools. It really does seem like too much to ask, though. I often watch DWTS where the judges give constructive and useful feedback about ballroom dancing, and wonder to myself, why can’t AI do the same with music?

    There have always been the ‘promoters’ , the big producers, the record company moguls.

    I know, and I was too simplistic to say “It just happened” but still, those days were innocent compared to now. Those artists had talent, experience, and had paid their dues, by the time they were “discovered” by a promoter. You know, they weren’t studio enhanced the way they are today, etc.

  230. Randy and Paula have always been much better than Simon at seeing the potential in contestants who are rougher around the edges. They also have a wider appreciation of different types of music than Simon. With Simon you have to be pop, polished, and pretty. (The latter mostly important for female contestants.) Simon is very good at rewriting history in terms of having “seen the potential” in someone he actually didn’t see it in.

    As for witty, funny, articulate interviewees, I’ve heard Kelly Clarkson interviewed a few times and she was very funny. Kelly Pickler too. I’ve heard David Cook interviewed dozens of times and that boy could be a diplomat. He’s always articulate and usually funny and witty — although he can get very creative with his word usage. Just the way he managed week after week to avoid Ryan’s probing questions about his brother Adam’s illness was like watching a high wire act.

  231. He wouldn’t have put people like Daughtry and Cook through in the early rounds.

    I nearly forgot that Simon didn’t jump on the Daughtry bandwagon until Chris became popular on the show….

  232. As for witty, funny, articulate interviewees, I’ve heard Kelly Clarkson interviewed a few times and she was very funny. Kelly Pickler too.

    I wouldn’t call Kellie Pickler particularly articulate, but damn if that girl isn’t a riot to listen to.

  233. I think Aquarius are mysterious and unpredictable which is good for artists. Sorry to put a shallow note in such a deep discussion

    David Cook is a Sagittarius and Archie is a Capricorn.

    ooops, I couldn’t be more wrong in zodiac….Sagittarius is passionate and Caprcorn is … (sorry I don’t have Capricorn friend so I don’t know). Anyway all of them are great singers and musicians. I’m sure I’m right on THAT :D

  234. The funny thing for me’ ¦ is that I generally a more organic type of person. I have many CDs with these types of artists sitting on my shelf. Somewhere along the way the ‘organic’ musician also seems to be coming from some sort of a mass produced music factory. They’ve all become junk food to me’ ¦ sounding exactly the same

    I used to love acoustic organic rock/ singer song writer music, now it comes across as contrived and boring. With pop/hip hop and some R&B , I already know it’s contrived, but at least it’s not boring…in some cases.

  235. why can’t AI do the same with music?

    Because music is much more subjective than dance. What does a judge say…a singer is singing notes and words on a page and other than telling the singer he sang the wrong note or was flat or sharp that is all you can say. Interpreting a song is not like pointing a toe or turning out a knee or making the kicks higher or swifter.

  236. As a long time Idol watcher I have to say Simon does INDEED lie. He’s even admitted to it. When Kim Locke had a fantastic night and Ruben not so much on Top 3 night S2, he admitted to a reporter that he downplayed her performance on purpose, in order to prop up Ruben. Simon does this sort of thing quite frequently.

    Ooooh, that one still stings. Poor Kim Locke. She could have proved the existence of God on that stage with her singing, and she’d probably still have been given a “good, but…” and given the boot.

  237. You know, they weren’t studio enhanced the way they are today, etc.

    Nope they just didn’t sing at all like Milli Vanilli.

  238. Only in the last 2 years have I started listening to top 40 again and found something different. I’ve found this to be a strange evolution in my preference and never saw it coming.

    There’s a lot of originality in Indie music, and people like Jack Johnson, Ray L_____, and say the Tragically Hip and Barenaked Ladies from Canada, etc. I think that satellite radio is allowing a lot of non-corporate music to be heard and radio is losing its iron grip on music. You can hear people like Dar Williams and Indigo Girls on satellite radio, and many more of that ilk, who were never played on radio. It’s a rebirth of sorts, like the internet is. It seems there will always be this struggle between those wanting free expression and those wanting to control it and exploit it for profit.

    Nope they just didn’t sing at all like Milli Vanilli.

    Huh?

    Interpreting a song is not like pointing a toe or turning out a knee or making the kicks higher or swifter.

    I think there’s more to dance than that, even to ballroom dancing, it’s not just technical, there is also art to it, and performance, personality, and selling it to the audience. All of these things are mentioned by the judges on DWTS, not just the technical elements.

  239. Simon may not have been able to nail potential when he sees it, but I don’t think he really cares. What he does best is make money. He has no desire to see hidden gem. He needs and wants a money maker out the gate. 19 and the signing label need idols that can pull it together and record an album in essentially 2-3 months time. There is no time to nurture the new artist. I still see him right more of the time than wrong. And as far as Randy and Paula… I need an interpreter to figure out what the hell they were saying most of the time.

  240. Squirrely: I used to love acoustic organic rock/ singer song writer music, now it comes across as contrived and boring.

    You are spoiled my fellow Adam fan…as am I lol

  241. “Adam did not win Idol but looks like he may be the first true Global pop star from Idol. He is a really talented vocalist, has a clearly defined brand and personal style, is able to effectively communicate in a wide range of media, and is willing to make the sacrifices that stardom requires. Other Idol alums were really talented singers [Kelly], some had the desire [Clay], some were great communicators [Cook], but Adam is the first Idol alum to combine all of these with a distictive brand and personal style.”

    I am glad that you are such an enthusiastic fan of Adam but I believe that Kelly Clarkson has already preceded Adam in this !! BTW she is also a very enthusiastic communicator in interviews !
    Kelly has been extremely successful here in Australia & my daughter is going to one of her concerts in March!![ Chris Daughtry to a lesser extent ]She has been here on numerous occasions !! We are yet to have either Kris or Adam’s singles & albums even available here!!

    Not all countries are fans of the techno/ dance/glam style so I think you overestimate Adam’s Wide appeal- maybe some countries in Europe yes but not worldwide!! As you say Adam has a distinctive brand & personal style – so its because of this that I don’t believe he will have “World wide” appeal- yes he will be enthusiastically followed by his supporters but I believe his style will also put off a lot of people!!

    I believe both he & Kris will be “successful” in their own way – lets come back & see in 10 years how this all plays out!!

    Also as far as Brittany goes as someone commented earleir – yes she has had a lot of “fans” up to now but “respect” not as much. When fans start to walk out on your concerts after not appearing interested in performing like here in Australia – she seems to have lost the respect of even some fans!! Give me a performer who actually gives a true live performance any day over spectacle & an insincere performance!!

  242. I believe both he & Kris will be ‘successful’  in their own way ‘“ lets come back & see in 10 years how this all plays out!!

    Should we bury a time box with our predictions and make it a ceremony when we dig it out 10 years later?

  243. Because music is much more subjective than dance. What does a judge say’ ¦a singer is singing notes and words on a page and other than telling the singer he sang the wrong note or was flat or sharp that is all you can say. Interpreting a song is not like pointing a toe or turning out a knee or making the kicks higher or swifter.

    True, but if you read a critical review of an album or a live performance in a magazine, you still see a world of difference in the discourse from that to the AI judging panel. Mind you, I’m not sure I’d want my judging that harsh. But I do have trouble accepting the current state of discourse from the judging panel, which rarely steps outside the terms of base commercialism (and notations on pitch) to talk about the performances, and there’s a room to talk about performances that aren’t those…

    Or, hell, maybe not. As I said, “naive fool” comes to my mind in describing my thinking about this, and there’s an element of romanticism here I’ll totally own.

    But, you know, even many of the Idol recappers honestly, IMO, do a better job than Simon, Randy, Paula and co. Really. I guess that’s helped by medium, but still… if you boiled them down to a simpler statement, I’d still think you get a better sense of the music from many of them than from the current judging panel.

  244. If Adam truly is destined to be a Great Pop Star and has all of those qualities that Cook & co. lack, why did it take three tries to get a single to chart? If he’s truly so much more talented and so much more willing to sacrifice (um, what exactly is he sacrificing again? It’s certainly not his tendency to be an attention whore), why has it taken him so long and why isn’t he #1 on the pop charts yet, since he is so much more talented and hardworking than anybody else on Idol?

    Kris, Jordin, David, Kelly, Archie, Clay, Ruben . . . none of them took three tries to chart, and they all got their songs out there much faster than Adam The Global Pop Star did. What exaclty has he accomplished (other than getting on lots of magazine covers) that the other alumni have failed to do? And what exactly have all of these other alumni failed to sacrifice that Adam was so willing to lay on the line? I haven’t seen a single sign of him having to struggle or work for anything since he stepped on the Idol stage. If anything, he’s been the lazy one and media attention and critical acclaim has been handed to him on a silver platter while everyone else has had to work to be accepted, even after their accomplishments to date far exceeded Adam’s in a shorter period of time.

  245. Should we bury a time box and make it a ceremony when we dig it out 10 years later?

    Only if we get party hats.

  246. It was reported on twiiter (take with a grain of salt) that Adam was quite popular in Australia.

  247. There’s a lot of originality in Indie music, and people like Jack Johnson, Ray L_____, and say the Tragically Hip and Barenaked Ladies from Canada, etc. I think that satellite radio is allowing a lot of non-corporate music to be heard and radio is losing its iron grip on music.

    I listen to Alt Nation on XMSirius. I would sort of agree with your comment about more non-corporate music, I would also disagree. This is only one station and I’m sure there are still promoters behind the scenes pulling their strings. Personally I think music will be revolutionized by the indie labels. I would bet that they will be the ones to figure out how to increase margins in the era of the internet & illegal downloading. It is always those individuals that are against the wall and have nothing to lose that spark the genius.

  248. David Archuleta Has a Strawberry Passion

    Check out David Archuleta showing off his birthday cake inside his home in Utah on Monday afternoon (December 28).

    The 19-year-old singer celebrated with his close friends and family today with a Cold Stone Creamery Strawberry Passion Cake. One of David’s friends customized his cake at the local Cold Stone store, adding a personal touch to the celebration. Doesn’t it look yummy?!

    David tweeted this afternoon, ‘Today I turn 19! Time flies!!! It’s been a great morning already! Thanks everyone for all your birthday wishes!!!’ 

    JustJaredJr.

  249. We are yet to have either Kris or Adam’s singles & albums even available here!!

    Adam’s album is available at least on iTunes Australia.

  250. I have to wonder what people are going off of in predicting Adam is going to be this international superstar. Maybe he will end up becoming one, but he isn’t even close to it yet. 99% of the media coverage on Adam has been from U.S. and Canada. Most people overseas who don’t live in Idol strongholds like the Phillippines or Malaysia probably have little to no clue as to who Adam — or any other Idol contestant — even is. Isn’t Kelly the only Idol who has made any kind of dent overseas? Adam’s album was released in the U.K., yet has never gone above #87 on the charts. Which is ok for a debut, but doesn’t scream “superstar”. I don’t think his album has gone #1 in any country it is available, has it? Have any of his singles charted really well overseas? I know Danny’s single was briefly #1 on the country charts in Finland (!!) and that Kris has done well in places like New Zealand, the Phillippines and Malaysia. But aside from Adam having similar success to Kris in these same places, I haven’t heard of him having some huge impact overseas so far. Maybe I’ve just missed it ?

    Now, maybe when/if he starts doing a lot promotional work and/or concerts overseas he will blow up into this huge global star. But it seems way too premature to declare that he will become this global sensation. To me, this is similar to how some people were predicting he’d automatically go #1 on the charts here — which has yet to happen.

  251. If Adam truly is destined to be a Great Pop Star and has all of those qualities that Cook & co. lack, why did it take three tries to get a single to chart? If he’s truly so much more talented and so much more willing to sacrifice (um, what exactly is he sacrificing again? It’s certainly not his tendency to be an attention whore), why has it taken him so long and why isn’t he #1 on the pop charts yet, since he is so much more talented and hardworking than anybody else on Idol?

    Kris, Jordin, David, Kelly, Archie, Clay, Ruben . . . none of them took three tries to chart, and they all got their songs out there much faster than Adam The Global Pop Star did. What exaclty has he accomplished (other than getting on lots of magazine covers) that the other alumni have failed to do? And what exactly have all of these other alumni failed to sacrifice that Adam was so willing to lay on the line? I haven’t seen a single sign of him having to struggle or work for anything since he stepped on the Idol stage. If anything, he’s been the lazy one and media attention and critical acclaim has been handed to him on a silver platter while everyone else has had to work to be accepted, even after their accomplishments to date far exceeded Adam’s in a shorter period of time.

    Where were all these claim written? I saw a few OTT comments, but I must have missed them. Which specific comments are you referring to?

  252. I know Danny’s single was briefly #1 on the country charts in Finland (!!)

    The universe is a fun place, isn’t it?

  253. @anemicandholding apparently they were not the right songs. WWFM seems to be the winner, although I like all three.

  254. @anemicandholding apparently they were not the right songs. WWFM seems to be the winner, although I like all three.

    What is this? I feel like I missed something.

  255. Of course, Adam’s the Global Pop Star!!!

    I don’t know what you were talking about. Why restrict Adam to Pop music?? Adam will be super star across all genres!! (jk. please don’t quota me as if I were serious here)

  256. Adam’s album was released in the U.K., yet has never gone above #87 on the charts. Which is ok for a debut, but doesn’t scream ‘superstar’ . I don’t think his album has gone #1 in any country it is available, has it? Have any of his singles charted really well overseas?

    Ehh, Adams album hasn’t been released in UK yet as far as I know. What you’re seeing is the US imported album and it’s on itunes. Not sure you can get his albums in stores unless you special order… I don’t think any singles have been released or pushed to radio…

  257. Maybe I’m just naive but I thought an American Gobal Superstar was someone who is, will be, or was a terrific seller and tourer in countries where English is not the native language….I am sure many American singers sell well in England, Australia, and Canada but how do they do in Asia, the Middle East, Central and southern Europe, Scandinavia and the Baltics, Mexico, Central America, and South America?

  258. I have to wonder what people are going off of in predicting Adam is going to be this international superstar.

    I thought the discussion was on why Adam gets so much media attention? Not if he is a superstah or not. I think we all can agree that right now he is not?

  259. Where were all these claim written? I saw a few OTT comments, but I must have missed them. Which specific comments are you referring to?

    You are joking aren’t you?? Maybe you weren’t around straight after idol finished – especially on the AI Idol site- these claims were made all the time!!
    People have short memories when these OTT claims don’t happen!!

  260. Jim Cantiello is having a twitter party starting at 8 pm Eastern. This should be fun!

    twitter.com/jambajim

  261. Well I know that Johnny Weir is big in Russia and Japan. Oh wait, that’s figure skating. So sorry. :)

  262. Adam did not win Idol but looks like he may be the first true Global pop star from Idol. He is a really talented vocalist, has a clearly defined brand and personal style, is able to effectively communicate in a wide range of media, and is willing to make the sacrifices that stardom requires. Other Idol alums were really talented singers [Kelly], some had the desire [Clay], some were great communicators [Cook], but Adam is the first Idol alum to combine all of these with a distictive brand and personal style.

    I’m sorry but wouldn’t Kelly be able to be considered a global pop star? I mean she’s sold over double her USA sales worldwide had 3 worldwide hits(since u been gone,because of you,MLWSWY) and is probably the only idol so far that can have a successful world tour.

    I think Adam could become a global pop star but I haven’t seen him chart well anywhere else except the USA(but I haven’t been able to find many other charts so what do I know) but I don’t think its a given thats he’s gonna be huge worldwide.

    but as always this is JMHO and YOMV

  263. From the song list, Japan FYE CD is the same as its US version, but I remember it will have some bonus tracks that are exclusive in Japan or UK version (such as Voodoo and the other song written by Justin Hawkins). I’m waiting for more info.

    I remember Greg Wells saying something on twitter about having another song he had written as a bonus track on the UK/Japan version of the CD and I think Adam confirmed at some point that we would be getting Voodoo, although he didn’t say how. I’ll take all the bonus tracks I can get since I like Master Plan and love Down the Rabbit Hole. :)

  264. Where were all these claim written? I saw a few OTT comments, but I must have missed them. Which specific comments are you referring to?

    You are joking aren’t you?? Maybe you weren’t around straight after idol finished ‘“ especially on the AI Idol site- these claims were made all the time!!
    People have short memories when these OTT claims don’t happen!!

    An easy way to deflect an argument is to have the person look for examples, and sometimes rightly so if it’s against a form of truth claim that otherwise is hard to substantiate. FWIW, I think even if you scroll down in the thread you’ll find predictions of Adam’s upcoming global superstardom. But I really don’t feel the need to pull them out.

    And, as noted, why bother? I mean, there are comments just as bizarre in predicting failure. Hyperbole is the order of the day online.

    Uh, yeah, as Saga noted under me.

  265. You are joking aren’t you?? Maybe you weren’t around straight after idol finished ‘“ especially on the AI Idol site- these claims were made all the time!!
    People have short memories when these OTT claims don’t happen!!

    People make claims all the time. Positive and negative. People were saying Adam was done after the AMA’s. That didn’t happen. Some people say he will be a superstar. That might not happen. What’s the big deal?

  266. I remember Greg Wells saying something on twitter about having another song he had written as a bonus track on the UK/Japan version of the CD and I think Adam confirmed at some point that we would be getting Voodoo, although he didn’t say how.

    I also remember a Wells bonus track. He could have meant DTRW though, I think that was a Wells production? Adam commented on Voodoo saying that it was a dance track with a very strong base and that they thought it would fit really well for the European market. I am really curious about that one. It was co written by Sam Sparro.

  267. Happy Birthday, David Archuleta!

    We knew December 28 felt more adorable than most dates – and now we know why.

    Former American Idol star David Archuleta celebrates his 19th birthday today.

    The Star Search champion released his debut album in November 2008 and while he hasn’t made it huge on the charts, Archie still holds a special place in many fans’ hearts.

    Below is an example of why. Check out David’s performance on an installment of Live with Regis and Kelly that aired last week:

    Once you wipe the tears away, enjoy the following photo montage in the birthday boy’s honor. Hurry up and send him your best wishes before it’s too late!

    V.I.P. Scoop

  268. Since Adam’s album has only been out five weeks, and he hasn’t had a chance yet to go overseas, maybe we can wait a few months to see how popular we will become globally. I don’t doubt for a second that once he gets overseas and have a chance to perform, they will buy his album. Who could resist his charm and that voice. I am looking forward to hearing from the Adam fans overseas, after he get’s there and perform.

  269. It even looks like ABC is coming around again.

    Someone on twitter reported that they are using Adams Mad World on GH again…

    I am still sad that he lost the NYRE gig. I think he was already booked on Gridlock when that cancellation happened. The NYRE thing was supposed to be pre-taped apparently.

  270. For those who don’t know, this isn’t the first time that ‘Who is David Archuleta?’  was a question to a Jeopardy answer. This one is from last year’ ¦

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYh_NLQFO4o

    thanks ozarka for the memory refresh – i thought he had been the answer to a question on a previous show – i love jeopardy…

  271. Simon predicted that Kris would upset Adam, that Kris wouldn’t be a very successful recording artist, that Allison wouldn’t be successful unless she unscrambled her personality/personal style/vocal style, Danny is vocally gifted but confused about who he is, and he said Adam was ‘too theatrical’  for the majority of Americans but would be the first true international star producted by Idol. He was right across the board.

    Simon says a lot of things that never come true and Kelly Clarkson is the first American Idol global star.

    Other Idol alums were really talented singers [Kelly], some had the desire [Clay], some were great communicators [Cook], but Adam is the first Idol alum to combine all of these with a distictive brand and personal style.

    I cannot believe that there hasn’t been more than one Idol contestant that’s been 1) a good singer, 2) had the desire, and 3) been a good communicator.

    For one, you have David Cook right there and probably a number of others.

  272. I also remember a Wells bonus track. He could have meant DTRW though, I think that was a Wells production? Adam commented on Voodoo saying that it was a dance track with a very strong base and that they thought it would fit really well for the European market. I am really curious about that one. It was co written by Sam Sparro.

    I found Wells’ tweet from early November:

    Answer: I did five songs with Adam…3 are on the physical CD, #4 on the iTunes deluxe version, and #5 is on the UK and Japanese CD.

    Based on that, it seems that the 3 physical CD-songs he’s referring to are Pick U Up, Strut, and Broken Open, the 4th song (itunes deluxe version) is DTRH, and he will have a 5th song on the UK/Japan version of the CD.

    I’m really excited about Voodoo too. :) Sparro is a really talented, creative songwriter, and any collaboration between him and Adam would probably be interesting to hear.

  273. He wouldn’t have put people like Daughtry and Cook through in the early rounds.

    I always take what Simon says in the auditions with a grain of salt — Is it really what he thinks or just part of the set up for the “drama”. I generally only believe what Simon says about the contestants in interviews after the season is over. They play way to many games on AI to even guess what is real.

    Here is Daughtry’s audition and intro as aired. It is when Simon said “no” — [I agree with Simon, it isn’t Daughtry at his best — and if this is all I saw of Daughtry, I am not sure I would have picked him either. Even Randy wasn’t totally positive.]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbyOmM1fZ_s

    But Simon gave Cook a yes — and even said his audition was good.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB7OiW-yqBw

    Granted, I think Simon preferred Archie, but was never negative about Cook like he was Daughtry. [I’m not sure how anyone, even Simon, can dislike Cook.]

    One other thing is clear, the auditions are editted to create drama. I cannot find the longer versions of either Daughtry’s audition but I wonder what else was said.

    They did release more of Adam’s audition and they clearly editted what Simon said in the original broadcast when they made it seem like Simon was going to say “no” to Adam.

    Here is the Adam audition as broadcast:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5XuL3EYz2A

    And here is the first song Adam sang in the audition, not aired on Idol but aired on 5/21/09.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHN51MtHDTI

    In the original edit [broadcast during the season] Simon says “I think you are theatrical” in the full comment broadcast on 5/21/09, Simon says “I think you are theartrical and therefore not current.”

    The broadcasted comment made it sound like Simon was opposed to Adam because he was “theatrical” and comment he had used to describe several other openly gay contestents in the past [reported and documented on gay blogs/news sites.] Simon’s actual comment wasn’t really provactive and was IMO a fair criticism.

    Also, you can see Paula dancing to “Rock with Me” in the AI broadcast edit when Adam is singing Bo Rhap — making her look like a complete fool with no timing because we never knew that Adam sang a different song.

    We later learned that the Idol producers asked Adam to sing Bo Rhap — my guess is because they wanted to have him sing a Queen song on the profile — and set him up a the “theatrical” contestant.

  274. Answer: I did five songs with Adam’ ¦3 are on the physical CD, #4 on the iTunes deluxe version, and #5 is on the UK and Japanese CD.

    Hmm, so this means Voodoo was produced by Wells? And will be bonus for both the UK one and the japanese version? I am glad Wells produced it. His songs are my favourites.

  275. edit: dial it back, dial it WAYYY back

    Simon predicted that Kris would upset Adam,
    Simon also said a few weeks before that Kris couldn’t beat Danny or Adam,oh and he predicted Archie would win Final 2 night season 7 so he doesnt always get it right.

  276. Simon predicted that Kris would upset Adam, that Kris wouldn’t be a very successful recording artist, that Allison wouldn’t be successful unless she unscrambled her personality/personal style/vocal style, Danny is vocally gifted but confused about who he is, and he said Adam was ‘too theatrical’  for the majority of Americans but would be the first true international star producted by Idol. He was right across the board.

    Well obviosuly Simon was wrong abiut some of this Kris seems to be doing well, maybe not astronomically but radio has embraced him in a manner similar to what Jordin Sparks had, hopefully he’ll have better success then her in the long run since her second album is not doing well. Danny seems to have figured himself out and is going in a direction where he is doing well. Allison is maybe the only one who hasn’t been quite figured out yet but she’s still young.

    Kelly is and will always be the first Idol superstar. I think Daughtry and Jordin also have made some inroads in those directions, so Adam can’t be the first.

  277. luval
    12/28/2009 at 3:43 pm
    i am such a dummy. What does this whole AdamCast thing mean?

    luval…you’re no dummy! (unless I am as well!).. and after scanning the posts, did not see your question answered….. anybody??

    also…why does this pix.. http://justjared.buzznet.com/photo-gallery/2404574/adam-lambert-skincare-14/ from Adam’s Saturday spa day send me down summer tour “memory lane”? …ahhhh..those pants! I guess the message is I’ll be watching vids of WLL, Slow Ride and Bowie this NYE!

  278. Jennifer auditioned for the role just like everybody else. Her stint on Idol wasn’t the reason she was cast.
    ^^^
    True, that wasn’t the reason she was cast, but if she had not gone out to LA for Idol and learned a little bit of the ropes in Hollywood she may not even have been aware of the audition call. Especially if she were busy singing on a cruise ship somewhere out in the middle of the ocean (her former job).

    I’m a believer in one thing leads to another even when the link is not direct.

  279. This might be OT, but OMG, Jim’s twitter party… so awesome. Worth checking out.

  280. Wow….I’m glad Adam realizes those shoulder pads of his need to support a lot of weight, cuz the weight of the global universe is sure on ’em. I guess it comes with the Idol tag; you’re expected to be a star over night, and maybe that’s the fault of fans in all fairness.

    My 2 cents are basically worth nothing, but here they are anyway. From the start I never expected Adam to be completely accepted out of the gate. Mostly because he had a definate path he wanted for himself and it isn’t the path most followed by today’s male artists. He’s something different that we aren’t used to seeing and people need time to warm up to new things. Sure @americaholding it’s seems as though many opportunities have been handed to Adam on silver platters; but I don’t feel Adam has been lazy for one minute. He’s worked his ass off. Opportunities have come to him because he’s a media magnet, pure and simple. There’s been some pain for him becoming that magnet….it hasn’t been all roses for sure.

    Adam certainly has all the ingredients to become a star with time. Will they all mix together and please the palate of the “global” public? Who knows….but one thing is for sure. He has a definate path that he’s strutting and I give him major props for taking the one less traveled for male artists.

  281. I generally only believe what Simon says about the contestants in interviews after the season is over.

    But you compared Simon to Randy and Kara in your original post… And then used examples of Kara’s demeanor when she judges on the show.

    If you really meant Simon was honest….plus a bunch of qualifiers, it certainly wasn’t clear in your OP.

    Having said that…Simon lies after the show is over too. Hearing him backpedal on Jennifer Hudson in interviews was hilarious.

  282. ‘American Idol’: Happy birthday, David Archuleta

    Birthdays that fall around Christmas can be a little tough on the people celebrating them. The date can get lost in the holiday hoopla, or gifts and well wishes can seem like an afterthought.

    We here at Zap2it just wanted David Archuleta to know we haven’t forgotten him.

    Archuleta, the runner-up in season 7 of “American Idol,” turns 19 today (Dec. 28). He’s just wrapped up a tour in support of his Christmas album and spent the holiday at home with his family. And according to his Twitter feed, his birthday has thus far been “great.”

    So happy birthday, David. Hope you get what you want — and not another Snuggie like the one you’re wearing in the video below, the final dispatch from the tour.

    Zap2it

  283. I know he is going first of next year. They’re not going to want him to leave.

    Ahhhhh — so cute!! ;)

  284. Granted, I think Simon preferred Archie, but was never negative about Cook like he was Daughtry. [I’m not sure how anyone, even Simon, can dislike Cook.]

    Simon said no to Cook in Hollywood. If it had been up to him, Cook would’ve gotten no farther than that. So Simon is the “anyone” who can dislike David Cook. I would love to personally shove that into his smug, arrogant, pompous face. Nicely, of course.

  285. Adam certainly has all the ingredients to become a star with time. Will they all mix together and please the palate of the ‘global’  public? Who knows’ ¦.but one thing is for sure. He has a definate path that he’s strutting and I give him major props for taking the one less traveled for male artists.

    :)

  286. I love how Simon is revered as a seer of truth and how “across the board” his predictions for S8 are gospel truth. Kris was predicted to be an unsucessful recording artist, and it’s proven to be true. OK. LOL, so we’re giving Kris what, 6 weeks, from his album release to become a “successful” recording artist, and since he’s not gold, we proclaim his career unsuccessful. If I remember correctly, Lady Gaga was slow out of the gate, and look where she is now.

  287. Now, maybe when/if he starts doing a lot promotional work and/or concerts overseas he will blow up into this huge global star. But it seems way too premature to declare that he will become this global sensation. To me, this is similar to how some people were predicting he’d automatically go #1 on the charts here ‘” which has yet to happen.

    This proves the effectiveness of Simon Cowell and his pronouncements. A week after he said Adam would be an international superstar, it was repeated like it was a fact.

  288. Simon did say int’l star for Adam but I think all global stars have to make it in the US. I mean there’s this Anastacia chick that famous outside the US but I never heard of her.

    And Pop as in popular is the same as Top 40 so lots of Idols have done great in that genre – Jordin had one of the biggest hits of the Decade with No Air and yes Before He Cheats was also a massive Pop hit. I guess some folks here don’t listen to Top 40 radio if they think Idols aren’t smashing in that genre. And Kelly Clarkson got to be the first Global Idol superstar. So that slot is filled.

  289. Simon did say int’l star for Adam but I think all global stars have to make it in the US. I mean there’s this Anastacia chick that famous outside the US but I never heard of her.

    What about that Robbie guy, from England, who is supposed to be famous everywhere but here. The ONLY way I heard of him was through my interest in American Idol, and then, through investigation of the X-Factor. He’s … okay. A talent. Not someone I’d tag as an international performing star. In any event, he is a non-star in the U.S.

  290. Thanks Mainegal…dummys unite! Still don’t know about the Adamcast thingy. I think it’s a 24/7 all Adam all the time site, but when I went on it, it was so confusing I gave up. Since I’ll be working NYE and NYD I’ll be watching all the old(?) youtubes and those pants too.j

    Unless of course there is a miracle and something happens on-line at 3am EST. Hope we know ahead of time, but am not holding my breath.

  291. I think for an American artist to be a global superstar he should also be a superstar in…the US. Just like Robbie Williams (who is English) is huge in England as well as other countries (I guess. He’s not that famous in the US.)

  292. Am I missing something? Why are people thinking ABC has had a change of heart about ADam? What happened?

  293. jpfan
    12/28/2009 at 8:42 pm
    I think for an American artist to be a global superstar he should also be a superstar in’ ¦the US. Just like Robbie Williams (who is English) is huge in England as well as other countries (I guess. He’s not that famous in the US.)

    jpfan.. that is an interesting comment that’s got me thinking (adam aside in this discussion) what does it mean to be a world wide superstar. I hate country music ;) but I’d say that Carrie is in the world wide superstar category to me. I’m sure her music isn’t loved across Europe like it is in the US or maybe Australia. Perhaps WW superstar is a calibre of performer?

  294. There is a website that tracks international album sales but the numbers aren’t that accurate. In general, the US, Western Europe and Japan dominate sales of music. I’m pretty sure Susan Boyle will be the #1 artist of the year globally for example. Unless Michael Jackson takes the crown. Whatever year Leona Lewis put out her debut album, she also had the biggest album in the world.

    Country artist like Carrie and Taylor Swift doesn’t seem to “travel” as well.

  295. what does it mean to be a world wide superstar.

    Personally, I don’t think we have any world wide superstars. The last one we had was Michael Jackson, and I don’t see anyone capturing the world’s imagination like that for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo time.

  296. In my opinion Idol has not produced any “superstars”. They have some artist who have sold a lot of albums or singles, but not one of them would be considered a superstar. Carrie, Kelly Daughtry, Jordan, Cook, Archie have sold a lot of cd’s or singles, but when you start talking about Superstars in the music business, none of these people would be included. I think to be a Superstar in the music business, not only do you have to sell albums, but have the “it” factor. I know some people will disagree, because everyone has a favorite or two, that they think are terrific. I personally like Daughtry, Cook and Adam, because I love Rock music.

  297. Country artist like Carrie and Taylor Swift doesn’t seem to ‘travel’  as well.

    I would think Carrie is pretty unknown in Europe. Taylor Swift isn’t, but no one calls what she does country.

    I think the only known country artist (in Europe) is Shania Twain but maybe I am forgetting someone.

  298. O Dolphin
    12/28/2009 at 5:43 pm

    Eileen99
    12/28/2009 at 5:28 pm
    He might not be as popular, but he’s certainly more famous.

    Or infamous?

    Wow, if you classify what he did at the AMAs as infamous, what do you call terrorists and serial killers?

    I know I’m way behind since I’m only on pg 7 and there are at least 11 pages here right now, but the AMA’s is part of pop culture, which has its place in the real world, but I don’t think we can compare that to “real life” things. So yeah, I agree with the statement that Adam is infamous, but in a pop culture way. I’m with those that believe what makes him “famous” goes beyond the voice and talent. Maybe it will all eventually shake out and maybe it won’t. Adam has something to offer the music world, I hope this is what prevails, but as long as sex surrounds it, it won’t be just about the music, imvho.

  299. unique28v,

    Thank You, very wise comments and I love it! ERRR……at this point, I think Bieber is even a superstar than Adam , Kris and Allison. He went to the White House to sing for the President. He’s also kicking their asses in sales YO! Haha.

  300. Mark, about what you said re Simon backpedaling. I recall an interview with a local Fox reporter when Kris and Adam made it to Top 2. The reporter said something to Simon like,

    You told Kris he didn’t have the confidence to make it this far and you seemed to question his ambition.

    And Simon said something like:

    Well, he obviously listened to me, and I think the fact that he is where he is shows he took my advice, so I take a lot of credit for that.

  301. jpfan.. gives me something to think about. With the way the music industry is getting chipped away by illegal downloads, I’m not sure straight album sales would be a good measure for international success. Some new yardstick should be used. I think going into the future one might be better at looking as sales in addition to tour profits and other streams of revenue that maybe come from product endorsements & other multimedia ventures. It will be interesting to see where the industry is and profits are in 10 years.

    ETA: This reminds me of a question asked by my Lit teacher in college…
    “what makes a novel a classic?” I think the answer might be similar. Because their music is relevant throughout the world?

  302. unique28v
    12/28/2009 at 8:54 pm

    what does it mean to be a world wide superstar.

    Personally, I don’t think we have any world wide superstars. The last one we had was Michael Jackson

    of the current crop of musicians, i’d say beyonce, britney, justin more than qualify as global superstars. rihanna and gaga are coming on strong, but we’ll see if they can maintain it. christina could be in the discussion, but she just takes too damn long in between albums to consistently remain relevant (and unlike justin, doesn’t do much collaborations these days).

    and since mj first burst onto the scene as a solo artist, there of course have been several global stars. mariah, whitney, prince, celine, janet, madonna, etc.

    Q3
    12/28/2009 at 6:48 pm

    and he said Adam was ‘too theatrical’  for the majority of Americans but would be the first true international star producted by Idol. He was right across the board.

    are we living in the same world? disregarding the fact that no, adam, isn’t even close to being an international success right now, even if he does eventually attain that status, kelly already got there first.

  303. Its not just non-fans who are using hyberpole about Adam. Just look at the press releases for his signing and the one announcing Kara staying on as a judge. Simon Fuller and RCA have thrown around quite a bit of OTT expectations too. I’d be very curious to know what RCA expected saleswise and if the currents sales really are exceeding expectations, you know being the ‘most anticipated album of the year’ and all.

  304. Cookcricket popmusic is never just about the music, look at Madonna, Michael Jackson and britney and ofc the Lady Gaga. pop is in many ways like rock and roll. you just have to bite the head of a bat or something like that otherwise no one will hear about it.

  305. of the current crop of musicians, i’d say beyonce, britney, justin more than qualify as global superstars. rihanna and gaga are coming on strong, but we’ll see if they can maintain it. christina could be in the discussion, but she just takes too damn long in between albums to consistently remain relevant (and unlike justin, doesn’t do much collaborations these days).

    Internationally I would definetely say Xtina, no doubt about it. I wouldn’t include JT though. Or maybe I would… I don’t know. Definetely not lately. Nsync was never big in Europe. Cry me a river was huge, same with his Farell collab but rnb and rap is not really working in Europe right now so his latest collabs are not so interesting here.

  306. Am I missing something? Why are people thinking ABC has had a change of heart about ADam? What happened?

    Wasn’t it that Mad World was used on a soap? I thought that was what someone said.

  307. Anvil is a movie about a rock band – no wonder Cookie likes it

  308. you know being the ‘most anticipated album of the year’ and all.

    It was actually one of the most anticipated albums of the year (or autumn), not the most anticipated.

  309. you know being the ‘most anticipated album of the year’ and all.

    It was actually one of the most anticipated albums of the year (or autumn), not the most anticipated.

    I assumed the poster was quoting the ad that appeared everywhere with the picture of the album cover, and underneath were the words, “The most anticipated album of the year.”

  310. saga
    12/28/2009 at 9:13 pm

    Internationally I would definetely say Xtina, no doubt about it. I wouldn’t include JT though. Or maybe I would’ ¦ I don’t know. Definetely not lately. Nsync was never big in Europe. Cry me a river was huge, same with his Farell collab but rnb and rap is not really working in Europe right now so his latest collabs are not so interesting here.

    justin’s last album went gold/platinum in over 20 countries, and sold 5 milion altogether ww excluding the United States. he has pull, so he’s definitely a global superstar.

    he hasn’t done anything on his own since futuresex, so i don’t think we can determine anything based on a couple of r&b collabs (i.e. T.I., Timbaland)

  311. I assumed the poster was quoting the ad that appeared everywhere with the picture of the album cover, and underneath were the words, ‘The most anticipated album of the year.’ 

    You guys know more about Adam than I do! Sorry didn’t know that. :grin:

  312. I think in a way Simon helped Kris when he told he didn’t have the confidence to win AI during Jazz Week. IMO Simon was referring the tendency Kris had to pick safe songs. I think it might have been the reason Kris decided to take a risk and do Heartless. Talking about lack of confidence isn’t really insulting musical ability.

  313. justin’s last album went gold/platinum in over 20 countries, and sold 5 milion altogether ww excluding the United States. he has pull, so he’s definitely a global superstar.

    I am not arguing sales figures, I am just giving my impression of how much of a household name he is. Almost everyone knows who Xtina is, not so sure about JT.

  314. I assumed the poster was quoting the ad that appeared everywhere with the picture of the album cover, and underneath were the words, ‘The most anticipated album of the year.’ 

    I was anticipating it. Truthfully isn’t that on almost all movies, cds and what have you – are you going to sell something that says, ‘the somewhat possibly at least we hope so anticipated album’.

  315. Am I missing something? Why are people thinking ABC has had a change of heart about ADam? What happened?

    AO has a thread about Ryan’s Top40 show airing an ad that says Adam is performing on NYRE. Most think it is an old ad, but it is causing some stirrings of hope that Adam may have a taped performance on NYRE. There is no evidence to back this up..just wild hope/speculation.

  316. saga
    12/28/2009 at 9:27 pm

    I am not arguing sales figures, I am just giving my impression of how much of a household name he is. Almost everyone knows who Xtina is, not so sure about JT.

    oh, ok. still i’d argue that if one knows who either britney (especially) or christina are, there’s a high chance they know who justin timberlake is. and wouldn’t sales = popularity? his last album was a huge success in europe, so i’m assuming people there know who he is. i live in the U.S., so i’m just making assumptions, but if you live in europe/asia/s. america maybe you have more insight into this.

    and although i’m a diehard christina fan, even i’d put her a notch below beyonce/britney/justin. she was up there with them during her stripped days, but she’s kind of fallen by the wayside.

  317. jtoms
    i’d say beyonce, britney, justin more than qualify as global superstars. rihanna and gaga are coming on strong, but we’ll see if they can maintain it. christina could be in the discussion, but she just takes too damn long in between albums to consistently remain relevant (and unlike justin, doesn’t do much collaborations these days).

    I agree with you on this, I would also include JayZ and possibly Alicia Keys. I absolutely love Christina and when you hear her sing live, it’s unbelievable. Your right, that she takes too much time in between albums, but what a voice.

  318. You guys know more about Adam than I do! Sorry didn’t know that.

    Then again, maybe I’m crazy. I did see that ad right here on the blog, I’m pretty sure. (not actually sure. lol)

    I think in a way Simon helped Kris when he told he didn’t have the confidence to win AI during Jazz Week. IMO Simon was referring the tendency Kris had to pick safe songs. I think it might have been the reason Kris decided to take a risk and do Heartless. Talking about lack of confidence isn’t really insulting musical ability.

    I think you’re probably right on both counts (I only remember him saying Kris was “wet” on jazz week, and then explaining to Ryan that “wet” means “not dry”). And it wasn’t meant as an insult, no, you’re right. I was just saying I thought it was funny that Simon seemed to be saying Kris couldn’t succeed, then when he did succeed Simon quickly took the credit for it. I found that amusing.

  319. oh, ok. still i’d argue that if one knows who either britney or christina are, there’s a high chance they know who justin timberlake is. and wouldn’t sales = popularity? i live in the U.S., so i’m just making assumptions, but if you live in europe/asia/s. america maybe you have more insight into this.

    Well I think JT has always been a lot more popular in the States than in Europe. He is very well known but not at all like Xtina and Britney. I don’t even know if JT has made a world tour here. Both Britney and Xtina have, probably several times. Robbie is a bigger house hold name than JT.

    I think one good way to see how big someone is in Europe is to see if they have done any arena tours.

    ETA: I think he has done 2 international tours. The first one was smaller. Google is our friend!

  320. Granted, I think Simon preferred Archie, but was never negative about Cook like he was Daughtry. [I’m not sure how anyone, even Simon, can dislike Cook.]

    ^^^
    I remember Simon being rude to Cook and referring to him as boring – for example, he was not impressed when Cook revealed that he liked to do word puzzles. And I remember Cook responding to some of Simon’s critiques with a tiny bit of attitude, but eventually Simon came around a bit.

  321. Am I missing something? Why are people thinking ABC has had a change of heart about ADam? What happened?

    AO has a thread about Ryan’s Top40 show airing an ad that says Adam is performing on NYRE. Most think it is an old ad, but it is causing some stirrings of hope that Adam may have a taped performance on NYRE. There is no evidence to back this up..just wild hope/speculation.

    I don’t know anything about the NYE banner, I mentioned it in regards to Mad World being used on General Hospital again.

  322. Mark are you a philosopher? You write interesting posts.

    Let’s then take ‘Hey There, Delilah’ . Interesting and possibly different? Yes. Attacking assumptions or altering them? Well, no. But it’s still worthy for being interesting.

    Maybe the song attacks the assumptions that a song needs a preponderance of bells and whistles in order to be a hit. Maybe it alters those assumptions. Yes, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it :)

  323. saga
    12/28/2009 at 9:34 pm

    ETA: I think he has done 2 international tours. The first one was smaller. Google is our friend!

    yep, just did a little research, and justin’s tour for future sex grossed about 130 million while christina’s back to basics tour grossed about 50 million. i don’t think there’s any doubt in my mind that justin’s a global superstar.

  324. 1. Idol will not be the same without Simon because he is the only of the four past judges who was honest and had credibililty. Randy and Kara know a lot about the business, and are both more current than Simon, but they are not honest. Sometimes Kara just sounds confused. Adam the harshest thing Randy every says is ‘I don’t know dawg ‘” that just didn’t work for me.’ 

    Simon’s true colors came out to me as I watched him on talk show clips this past yr. To me he’s not honest. No, he’s the last of the great BSers. Oh, I’m not saying this is a bad thing, he knows what it takes to make his buck, or his beyond what we can imagine bucks, but honestly, imo, he plays a role. He’s a BSer plain and simple. He comes across credible in this role. Sometimes he even “hits the mark” in what he’s saying, but this does not negate the fact that he’s a great BSer. JMO, but I kinda believe my own opinion.

    Again, I’m way behind as I’m only on pg 10 at this point. (slow reader)

  325. Hmm, so this means Voodoo was produced by Wells? And will be bonus for both the UK one and the japanese version? I am glad Wells produced it. His songs are my favourites.

    The two song titles we’ve heard talked about as possible bonus tracks are Voodoo and Can’t Let You Go. I don’t know if we know for sure if Can’t Let You Go is actually going to be a bonus track, but I’m pretty sure that Voodoo was produced by Jesse Rogg (although Wells could have produced it, I certainly don’t know), so I think it’s more likely to be Can’t Let You Go or another song.

    Whatever it is, I’m looking forward to hearing it and Voodoo. :) Hopefully we’ll get some info on the Japan/UK bonus track(s) soon. Based on the cd I think Adam works extremely well with Wells, and Sparro is awesome, so both of those songs could be fantastic.

    ETA: yes, he said UK/Japan (and I think we’ve been hearing that RCA is going to do officially “launch” Adam in those two countries next year, whatever that entails), so I don’t know if that means that those two versions will have the same bonus tracks, or if one might have Voodoo and the other one will have both songs, or what. I do remember Adam saying we’d hear Voodoo, but I don’t remember him saying where.

  326. I remember Simon being rude to Cook and referring to him as boring ‘“ for example, he was not impressed when Cook revealed that he liked to do word puzzles. And I remember Cook responding to some of Simon’s critiques with a tiny bit of attitude, but eventually Simon came around a bit.

    I was a fan of DC so I was biased and sensitive to attacks on him, but what I remember is that Simon didn’t seem to like him much most weeks, called him “pompous” and similar words, generally accused him of being a poser and “not as good as you think you are,” and “worthy” (not meant as a compliment) … DC was not his cup of tea, he thought he was smug, though he gave him compliments now and then, overall he didn’t seem to care for him, but he did come around by the end I guess.

  327. OK. LOL, so we’re giving Kris what, 6 weeks, from his album release to become a ‘successful’  recording artist, and since he’s not gold, we proclaim his career unsuccessful. If I remember correctly, Lady Gaga was slow out of the gate, and look where she is now.

    Kris is an Idol winner. The rules are different.

    And he’s never going to be close to as successful as Lady Gaga is.

  328. Whatever it is, I’m looking forward to hearing it and Voodoo. :) Hopefully we’ll get some info on the Japan/UK bonus track(s) soon. I think Adam works extremely well with Wells, and Sparro is awesome, so both of those sogns could be fantastic.

    You know… they could also change the track list (though I guess that’s not likely) and change Aftermath and Voodoo. I felt when Adam was talking about Voodoo that they might consider using it as a single in Europe. Could also just be me making stuff up!

  329. I generally only believe what Simon says about the contestants in interviews after the season is over.

    Hindsight is 20/20.

  330. IMO Simon was referring the tendency Kris had to pick safe songs.

    I don’t think “Falling Slowly” or “She Works Hard for the Money” were considered safe song choices at the time. I also think he took a big risk with his jazzy rendition of “All She Wants to Do is Dance”–the judges didn’t like that one, but it was still a risky choice.

  331. I’ll probably get jumped on for this, but if Kelly is this huge international global star, why does she look like she’s poor. Can’t she buy better clothes do herself up a bit better? Jordan and Carrie always look so glamorous but Kelly, not so much, and she used too.

  332. The two song titles we’ve heard talked about as possible bonus tracks are Voodoo and Can’t Let You Go.

    Thanks!! Suburban Decay, Voodoo and Can’t Let You Go were mentioned here or there. Hope we can hear them soon, either as bonus track or in a movie ;)

    I think Adam has songs other than these three (he mentioned they had 24 some songs to choose from for the album) which I wish he could sing during his tour.

    ETA

    I do remember Adam saying we’d hear Voodoo, but I don’t remember him saying where.

    I remember that too.

  333. Yes, Kelly Clarkson is the first international star that was discovered on American Idol. She sold more than 23 millions albums worldwide.

    2nd and 3rd place go to Daughtry and Jordin Sparks. They are not that well known as Kelly, but you can find their music on various charts around the world. And they both do promo tours outside of the USA.

  334. Squirrely
    12/28/2009 at 9:50 pm
    I’ll probably get jumped on for this, but if Kelly is this huge international global star, why does she look like she’s poor. Can’t she buy better clothes do herself up a bit better? Jordan and Carrie always look so glamorous but Kelly, not so much, and she used too.

    Cause Kelly lives and breathes for music not fashion.I’f Carrie and Jordan want to be all glammed up on hit the red carpet thats nice but IMO Kelly seems the type that would rather watch the game then hit the red carpet and thats just one of the many things I adore about her.

  335. 2nd and 3rd place go to Daughtry and Jordin Sparks.

    I’d give 2nd place to Jordin. Had no idea who Daughtry was, have never heard them being played here… Tatoo and No Air? Oh, yes.

  336. Cause Kelly lives and breathes for music not fashion.I’f Carrie and Jordan want to be all glammed up on hit the red carpet thats nice but IMO Kelly seems the type that would rather watch the game then hit the red carpet and thats just one of the many things I adore about her.

    It doesn’t hurt to pretty it up.

  337. Love your article about Simon, MJ! It was spot on. I hope he gets to read it!

    It’s not going to happen

  338. saga
    12/28/2009 at 9:13 pm

    of the current crop of musicians, i’d say beyonce, britney, justin more than qualify as global superstars. rihanna and gaga are coming on strong, but we’ll see if they can maintain it. christina could be in the discussion, but she just takes too damn long in between albums to consistently remain relevant (and unlike justin, doesn’t do much collaborations these days).

    Internationally I would definetely say Xtina, no doubt about it. I wouldn’t include JT though. Or maybe I would’ ¦ I don’t know. Definetely not lately. Nsync was never big in Europe. Cry me a river was huge, same with his Farell collab but rnb and rap is not really working in Europe right now so his latest collabs are not so interesting here.

    Britney Spears – 85 million worldwide

    Christina Aguilera – 43 million worldwide

    Kelly Clarkson – 23 million worldwide

    Justin Timberlake – 18 million worldwide (as a solo artist)

  339. “2nd and 3rd place go to Daughtry and Jordin Sparks. They are not that well known as Kelly, but you can find their music on various charts around the world. And they both do promo tours outside of the USA.”

    I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there!! I don’t remember seeing Carrie here in Australia at all yet Kelly , Daughtry & Jordin have all been here fairly often .[ Carrie is not successful here at all] So you do have to be prepared for some hard yakka travelling to make an impact in a country other than your own!!
    The same happens in reverse – the successful Australian groups in the US like – INXS & ACDC did extensive tours & promotions in the US & kept doing them – not all artists are prepared to do this!!

  340. David Cook is a Sagittarius and Archie is a Capricorn.

    ooops, I couldn’t be more wrong in zodiac’ ¦.Sagittarius is passionate and Caprcorn is ‘ ¦ (sorry I don’t have Capricorn friend so I don’t know). Anyway all of them are great singers and musicians. I’m sure I’m right on THAT

    Here:

    CAPRICORN (King of Pentacles)
    Born December 22 – January 19.. Capricorn is the sign of the goat. A Capricorn is a person who will have a slow climb to reach their goals, but will eventually succeed. This person is not only ambitious, but practical as well. This is a feminine earth sign which is cardinal. These original interpretations from http://www.starcana.com let you know that the Capricorn people take each step with sternness and good judgement. Capricorn is ruled by Saturn, the planet of limitations and discipline. A Capricorn will meet more than their share of obstacles in life, but with great precision, and their slow but steady pace, they will overcome. The element Earth is powerful for mother nature, productiveness, and fertility. Not until later in life will they reap what they have sown. Capricorn seem as though their feet are planted firmly on the ground, yet it can seem as if life just passing them by. Capricorns are also serious thinkers, keeping very much their thoughts to themselves. Actually, they are too busy thinking about bigger achievements and recognition thus never realizing that they have not shared their thoughts with loved ones. Their best color is brown for strength. This sign rules the bones and the knees, which can make them prone to dental problems and arthritis.

  341. think in a way Simon helped Kris when he told he didn’t have the confidence to win AI during Jazz Week. IMO Simon was referring the tendency Kris had to pick safe songs. I think it might have been the reason Kris decided to take a risk and do Heartless. Talking about lack of confidence isn’t really insulting musical ability.

    Simon sad Kris didn’t have confidence back at Top 10 week, but seemed to change his tune at Top 9 week. Jazz week he was so off on everything it was ridiculous. And he told the press he couldn’t beat Adam or Danny then. I don’t think Simon had anything to do with the Heartless choice though, JMHO.

  342. I believe Heartless was all Kris. He said he asked Adam’s his opinion, but it was all his idea to perform it.

  343. Britney Spears ‘“ 85 million worldwide

    Christina Aguilera ‘“ 43 million worldwide

    Kelly Clarkson ‘“ 23 million worldwide

    Justin Timberlake ‘“ 18 million worldwide (as a solo artist)

    Are you saying my gut feeling was right? As for Kelly, I think she is more well known in Australia and Asia than Europe. JT is definetely more known than Kelly (not talking about sales) in Europe. Whatever…

  344. I believe Heartless was all Kris. He said he asked Adam’s his opinion, but it was all his idea to perform it.

    Kris did say that he and Matt had thought about doing Heartless together if Matt got as far as “duet week”. Matt always was a good arranger. Maybe they had been working on it with the piano and guitar?

  345. Kris did say that he and Matt had thought about doing Heartless together if Matt got as far as ‘duet week’ . Matt always was a good arranger. Maybe they had been working on it with the piano and guitar?

    That would have been epic.

  346. I love that he’s a great singer!

    Johnny Weir? Okay I’m officially confused now. Going to bed.

  347. In my country only Kelly Clarkson, Clay Akiens, David Cook and David Archuleta. No Doughtry, Carrie or Jordy in the radio.

    And now people are talking about Adam because of the 2012 soundtrack and the Queen rummors. (No American Idol, no AMA strage country rigth? jejejej)

  348. saga
    12/28/2009 at 10:17 pm

    Britney Spears ‘“ 85 million worldwide

    Christina Aguilera ‘“ 43 million worldwide

    Kelly Clarkson ‘“ 23 million worldwide

    Justin Timberlake ‘“ 18 million worldwide (as a solo artist)

    Are you saying my gut feeling was right? As for Kelly, I think she is more well known in Australia and Asia than Europe. JT is definetely more known than Kelly (not talking about sales) in Europe. Whatever’ ¦

    Definitely agreeing with your gut feeling regarding Europe. Christina and Britney are very well known in Europe and sell there. Kelly it is more Australia and Asia and JT is know in Europe but I think is is more for his N’Sync music than his solo.

  349. And so, maybe a lot of ONLINE diehard AI fans can’t stand Simon anymore- but I think he’s one of the reasons a lot of the ‘normal’  people tune in. They like hearing his opinion.

    EXACTLY!!! Lots of my co-workers at work watches AI since the beginning but that’s about it. They don’t follow the idols after the show and off course they don’t go online/message boards and they have favorites but don’t care enough to buy the CDs. They just enjoy the show and only care about Simon’s opinion. I informed them that next year could be the last year for Simon, and they said AI won’t last long without him.

    There’s a reason why FOX brought him to US, because they knew that Simon also made Pop Idol so popular in UK. I remembered Fox said that they had to bring “this guy” to US to make the show.

    It’s going to be a challenge for 19 & Fox to keep the show interesting and to keep the ratings without Simon. Simon’s bored and I think most of the TV viewers too.

  350. Even though I like Simon, and mostly agree but often disagree with his critiques, I think he looked absolutely bored and disinterested this season. And also sometimes on other seasons. So maybe he is kind of a snob. A rich one. ha!

  351. That would have been epic.

    Well definitely a much nicer, better matched duet. Maybe epic, perhaps. :)

  352. Andrew (the lead guitarist in Kris’ band) just tweeted this:

    Krisallenband

    Well we’re a bit late to send holiday greetings, but it seems there might be a secret show coming up… -a.d 41 minutes ago from web

  353. I’m going through this thread, and peeps are still making meta comments on the comments. Please don’t do that.

  354. Reminder:

    Deleting all the fan warring now. Wish some of you peeps could ignore instead of choosing to engage…

  355. Laury,

    Are you saying that people in your country have heard about Adam because of 2012 and rumors that Adam could/might tour with Queen?

    And that they did not hear of Adam (or not so much so) through American Idol and the AMA’s?

    If so, that’s interesting. What country are you from, if you don’t mind me asking.

  356. Reminder:

    New rule: Calling out people as homophobic in ridiculous and gratuitous ways will get you banned. Period.

  357. Mateja
    12/28/2009 at 9:58 pm
    Yes, Kelly Clarkson is the first international star that was discovered on American Idol. She sold more than 23 millions albums worldwide.

    2nd and 3rd place go to Daughtry and Jordin Sparks. They are not that well known as Kelly, but you can find their music on various charts around the world. And they both do promo tours outside of the USA.

    JMO but I don’t think that American Idol has produced a global star. I can’t find any Idol who has charted on the Japanese or Brazilian, Italian, Mexican or Spanish main charts. Here is the top album chart position I found for Kelly, Chris and Daughtry in the Top 10 markets in the world. Note: I apoligize if I missed someone or a chart position — I do not know of any central global chart source that is reliable.

    Country, Album Sales Share, Share of World Market Value, chart positions by Idol

    1 USA 37’“40% 30’“35% [all major Idol alums have done well in the US]
    2 Japan 9’“12% 16’“19%
    3 UK 7’“9% 6.4’“9.1% — Jordin #17 Daughtry LTT #9 Kelly #2
    4 Germany 7’“8% 6.4’“5.3% — Jordin #42 Kelly #4
    5 France 4.5’“5.5% 5.4’“6.3% — Daughtry LTT #2
    6 Canada 2.6’“3.3% 1.9’“2.8% — Jordin #12 Daughtry #1 Kelly #2
    7 Australia 1.5’“1.8% 1.5’“2.0% — Jordin #17
    8 Brazil 2.0’“3.8% 1.1’“3.1%
    9 Italy 1.7’“2.0% 1.5’“2.0%
    10 Spain 1.7’“2.3% 1.4’“1.8%
    Source of market share data International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI)

    Lady Gaga is a Global Pop Star and no Idol alum looks like this: The Fame Chart peak position and certifications (2008/2009):
    Australian Albums Chart #3 3× Platinum, Austrian Albums Chart #1 Platinum, Belgian Albums Chart (Flanders) #4 (Wallonia) #8 Platinum, Brazil Gold, Canadian Albums Chart #1 3× Platinum, Czech Albums Chart #2 , Danish Albums Chart #2 Platinum, Dutch Albums Chart #12 Platinum, European Top 100 Albums #1 Platinum, Finnish Albums Chart #3 Gold, French Albums Chart #15 Platinum, German Albums Chart #2 Platinum, Hungarian Albums Chart #3 Gold, Irish Albums Chart #1, Italian Albums Chart #13, Japanese Albums Chart #6 Platinum, Mexican Albums Chart #2, New Zealand Albums Chart #2 2x Platinum, Norwegian Albums Chart #4, Polish Albums Chart Platinum, Portuguese Albums Chart #12, Russia Platinum, South Africa Platinum, Spanish Albums Chart #18, Swedish Albums Chart #15, Swiss Albums Chart #2 Platinum, UK Albums Chart #1 Platinum, U.S. Billboard 200 #4

    Adam album will be released in the UK, Japan and Brazil in January [date not confirmed by RCA], so we will see what happens. The UK FYE chart entry was sale of the US import not the UK release. Similar to his charting in NZ, Finland, Israel, etc. all based on sale of the US import — which is all that has been released so far.

    I believe that Adam is the first Idol alum who has a real shot to do well in Japan, Korea, Taiwan and China — because his vocal style, genre and persona is well suited to these markets. We’ll see soon enough. Having the FYE FOX-TV spot running all over Asia [audience of 350 million people] can’t hurt.

    Note: Elliott Yamin had a single chart #3 in Japan, but not an album; Japanese music revenue is dominated by album sales. I did not check for chart positions of singles since the revenue numbers for singles are so small in most of these countries.

  358. Q3–

    I saw your “may be” and also knew that you were referencing a quote from Sir Simon.

  359. thedavidcook:

    back in Cali. feels like winter here, except not at all. 36 minutes ago from mobile web

    Q&A rescheduled for some time tomorrow. anytime between 12:01am and 12:00am tomorrow night… it’s on…
    32 minutes ago from mobile web

  360. IMO Adam is already an international star as is Susan Boyle. But that is just my opinion YMMV.

    Dude, I adore Adam, I think he’s completely and totally brilliant, I think he could very well be (and should be, on talent) an international star at some point, but I honestly don’t see how he could be called an international star already. They haven’t even started seriously promoting him in other countries (I think they’re starting with the UK and Japan early next year), and while he probably has a decent amount of recognition in a lot of other countries, I wouldn’t call it anything like star status.

    He’s truly amazing and rare and I think he could be/will be a star, but I don’t think he’s one yet. :) Give him time.

  361. Note: Elliott Yamin had a single chart #3 in Japan, but not an album; Japanese music revenue is dominated by album sales. I did not check for chart positions of singles since the revenue numbers for singles are so small in most of these countries.

    Elliott Yamin released an album in Japan and it DID chart.

    In fact, it charted at #75 on the Billboard Year end Japan Hot 100 Albums chart. It’s right here:

    http://mjsbigblog.com/historical-charts/idol-billboard-year-end-chart-2008

  362. He’s truly amazing and rare and I think he could be/will be a star, but I don’t think he’s one yet. Give him time.

    They all need time, right??? Jennifer Hudson was one of my faves on her season, whatever that was, and also a gem that Simon dismissed and was mean to. Seeing her in Dream Girls was just the best most awesome feeling/moment ever.

    I think Jennifer will be a big star!

  363. Kris is an Idol winner. The rules are different.

    And he’s never going to be close to as successful as Lady Gaga is.

    Not in this case, imho. Have you read the headlines saying America has forgotten that Kris Allen was the actual winner?

    Maybe Kris will never be as big as Lady Gaga (at least on the pop charts and in pop culture), but he doesn’t have the advantage past idol winners have had. So he will build as a new artist, not as a typical idol winner. That’s okay w/ me because I believe he has what it takes.

  364. And he’s never going to be close to as successful as Lady Gaga is.

    Neither is Diana Krall but I’d rather listen to Diana Krall. Or, for Diana Krall, substitute hundreds of other artists who will never be as successful as Lady Gaga but who don’t name themselves after baby talk, wear ridiculous costumes, or pour fake blood on themselves. Sorry, but to me it’s not all about the almighty buck, or being the biggest commercial success no one will remember seven years from now. And to Kris, it isn’t about that, either, and to that I say, amen.

    Canadian Idol judges are a complete joke ‘“ no one even knows who the eff they are. And with the exception of a couple of people the show has produced nothin’. IMHO (of course)

    Hey, you’re entitled to your opinion. Is there a reason why you call the Canadian Idol judges a complete joke? They actually know something about music. Their comments indicate a wide knowledge of past and current music, something I just don’t hear from Simon and Paula, let’s say.

    Three are producers, one is also an entertainment lawyer and a former performer, and one is a singer. They know their stuff. Also, the Canadian Idol judges aren’t drawing mustaches on each other or giving the wrong critique at the wrong time, and they actually are available to the contestants and aren’t just picking up the paycheck on the way out the door. They also can be concise and don’t cause the show to run overtime, even though there are four of them.

    Canadian Idol was the first Idol show to feature contestants playing instruments (on a top 6 results night in 2004), and I think it may have been the first to allow contestants to play instruments in auditions and performances.

    Also, the type of music contestants are allowed to do is current. They aren’t doing things from twenty years ago all the time. I was surprised when Kris’s choice of Falling Slowly was considered unusual, since new songs are sung on CI all the time.

    AI has its good points and so does CI. Yes, AI turns out recording artists with more success. But there are many factors involved in that. The US in general turns out the most recording stars. It doesn’t mean CI is a bad show or that the people on it aren’t really talented.

    I wrote this more to explain CI to people who may be interested in it than for any other reason. I enjoy it and I think most people here would probably enjoy it.

  365. I watched CI the last season before it’s hiatus online here on mjs and loved it!

    I’m excited for Kris and band to get this opportunity in Vegas!!! Yay for them! :D Go Kris, get those new fans as I know you will!!

    I’m glad DC had another twitter party, he’s great at these. Love his responses posted here. Thanks to those who did so.

    mj, I liked you article on Simon, it sure got a discussion going here! I read everything in context, (re: Bootstar’s comment).

    If he goes I won’t miss his boredom. Loved that you ended w/ Kirsten’s comment about this upcoming season and XFactor.

  366. ross: Is there a reason why you call the Canadian Idol judges a complete joke? They actually know something about music. Their comments indicate a wide knowledge of past and current music, something I just don’t hear from Simon and Paula, let’s say.

    Ditto! The judges who are a complete joke are the AI judges. Axe ’em all and replace them with Jake and Zack from Canadian Idol AND BEN FOLDS FROM THE SING-OFF!!!!!!!!

  367. Ditto! The judges who are a complete joke are the AI judges. Axe ’em all and replace them with Jake and Zack from Canadian Idol AND BEN FOLDS FROM THE SING-OFF!!!!!!!!

    I haven’t seen Ben Folds, but I think Jake and Zack are the two best CI judges, myself! I’d actually like to fire the whole AI panel and substitute the CI panel — especially if CI turns out to be cancelled permanently.

    I watched CI the last season before it’s hiatus online here on mjs and loved it!

    I think that and Season 2 may have been the best seasons. Thanks for responding, I love that show. I hope it comes back.

  368. Nice that Kris has the House of Blues gig before the Vegas NYE thing. In five months, he’ll be handing over Ford keys at the finale to the next winner. I wonder if that will be a bit of a relief? That’s the pageant part, handing the crown to the next one. Oh, and having a runner up too. (In this case, Adam taking over at the Bridgeport tour stop, without having to kneecap Kris or anything).

    LLWD is the song that won’t die. I knew that song would be a hit *pats myself on the back

    Not sure why Allison’s album isn’t selling? Look at Selena Gomez and the Scene, and compare her 90-lb, Disney-backed, electro-pop frame with Allison’s whisky-voiced, bigger frame thing. Doesn’t mean a thing about their longevity though. I actually think Allison could be a good actress. She seems to have a great personality, so Simon’s comments about her personality, LOL.

    No clue if Adam will do well overseas or not. Just because he looks like manga doesn’t mean he’ll do well there. The Japanese are just as homophobic, if not more, than anyone else in any other country. And I say that from experience. Oh, and how Japanese fans were annoyed at how he was presented in the Japanese Rolling Stone.

    One thing that’s almost certain: there will never be an Asian male American idol – or, I daresay, one in the top 5, unless he is mixed, like Tiger Woods.

    More curious about Adam in the UK. Not sure if he’ll get thrashed for having songs written by Justin Hawkins and Muse. Is that a good thing or a bad thing, for Brits, considering the Darkness aren’t popular. And “Soaked” really DOES sound like a Bond song that isn’t a Bond song.

    Dying to hear Adam’s other songs “live” post New Year’s. What will he do for SFW? The electronic element of that is great, I hope he keeps that vocodor thing or whatever it is. What about the vocal layering for Sleepwalker? But lots of yummy guitar parts for Monte.

  369. Matt just tweeted some BIG news…

    ImMattGiraud
    # Just got done with the first rehearsal with my NEW BAND!! Wow. These guys are incredible. Finally hearing how my songs sound with a band! 42 minutes ago from Echofon

  370. And he’s never going to be close to as successful as Lady Gaga is.

    Neither is Diana Krall but I’d rather listen to Diana Krall. Or, for Diana Krall, substitute hundreds of other artists who will never be successful as Lady Gaga. It doesn’t mean diddly to me who is successful as Lady Gaga. I wouldn’t even go to a concert by a person who calls herself Lady Gaga. Who’s th next big star, Lord Goo Goo? No thanks.

    The person I replied to (was it you? I don’t remember) compared Lady Gaga’s career trajectory with their view of Kris’ future career trajectory. I didn’t say that Kris had to be as successful as her, or that she’s a good artist (although I think she is). What I’m saying is that Kris, coming off American Idol, will most probably NOT have a slow build career trajectory like Lady Gaga or end up half as successful as her, so she’s not a valid comparison or a justification for saying “but Kris could be super successful in the future, you can’t judge based on his current album sales, because REMEMBER LADY GAGA?” It’s not about whether I think you should like her/ her music/ her stage name.

  371. iluvai
    Yes, the Queen rumor was a huge thing here, all my friends knows who Adam is because of that! And also Adam was mention a lot with the 2012 movie and people liked the soundtrack and started paying attention to Adam and talking about him.
    American Idol is not that popular here and it was re-transmitted on Saturday afternoon, so just a few people saw it. In other hand, Latin American Idol is very huge here in fact this year Latin American Idol winner is from this country.
    About the AMA the only headline I read the day after was talking about JLO falls and Taylor Swift winning over MJ. No Adam at all.
    By the way, I’m from Dominican Republic a very small country in the Caribbean.

  372. In case anyone was thinking of going to the People’s Choice Awards on Jan. 6th (I’ve gotten a couple phone calls offering me discounted tickets and red carpet access, but I’m working, so couldn’t go even if I wanted to), AINow tweeted this:

    AINow
    Several people have been asking if @KrisAllen will be at the People’s Choice Awards. We just confirmed he won’t be there…No word on Adam about 1 hour ago from yoono

  373. I think it’d be weird if Adam was at the People’s Choice Awards, because been there, done that. That was called AI, and he wasn’t the people’s choice. Though pretty darn close.

    I think Susan Boyle will win. Though maybe in her situation, the reverse is true of AI tv watchers. Her fans buy her albums, but don’t vote on polls or for awards!

    Would be happy though if Gaga won. People’s Choice is kind of a joke thing, and they tell the winners in advance, don’t they, to guarantee they show up? I haven’t watched it in years, but I just remember Jim Carrey used to win every year for best actor or something.

  374. Laury
    12/29/2009 at 1:14 am

    iluvai
    Yes, the Queen rumor was a huge thing here, all my friends knows who Adam is because of that! And also Adam was mention a lot with the 2012 movie and people liked the soundtrack and started paying attention to Adam and talking about him.
    American Idol is not that popular here and it was re-transmitted on Saturday afternoon, so just a few people saw it. In other hand, Latin American Idol is very huge here in fact this year Latin American Idol winner is from this country.
    About the AMA the only headline I read the day after was talking about JLO falls and Taylor Swift winning over MJ. No Adam at all.
    By the way, I’m from Dominican Republic a very small country in the Caribbean.

    Wow cool! Thanks for your response…. I’m glad I am still up/awake to read your post! I’m also so impressed with people from other countries who have such a great command of English! Cool! :)

    Thanks for your response!!!! :)

    Who is the winner of Latin American Idol??? Send a link….

    I’ts 1:32 am my time so I’m going to go to sleep now. But send the link!

  375. AINow tweeted this:

    AINow
    Several people have been asking if @KrisAllen will be at the People’s Choice Awards. We just confirmed he won’t be there’ ¦

    Oh good, then there is no reason for me to tune in.

  376. Mark are you a philosopher? You write interesting posts.

    I’m tickled but… no, I wish that were true. Actually, I’m a seventeen year old with more spare time than he can handle, and thus my (semi) regular appearance here.

    Maybe the song attacks the assumptions that a song needs a preponderance of bells and whistles in order to be a hit. Maybe it alters those assumptions. Yes, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it

    You know… I guess it could be called that. Not in the way it’s usually used, but in its own unique way, why not? :)

    I think in a way Simon helped Kris when he told he didn’t have the confidence to win AI during Jazz Week. IMO Simon was referring the tendency Kris had to pick safe songs. I think it might have been the reason Kris decided to take a risk and do Heartless. Talking about lack of confidence isn’t really insulting musical ability.

    As others have noted, it wasn’t like Kris was picking safe songs. But I think it’s more important to note the contestants’ reaction to Cowell and co., which was really one extended “meh”, insofar as being influential. Especially notable in S8 and S7. So I don’t think he “helped” him at all; there just wasn’t that kind of influence, really.

  377. I’m tickled but’ ¦ no, I wish that were true. Actually, I’m a seventeen year old with more spare time than he can handle, and thus my (semi) regular appearance here.

    I don’t believe you! (about your age)…. :)

  378. I don’t believe you! (about your age)’ ¦.

    Hahaha. I kind of thought that would be the reaction… bah!

    You’re Allison’s age! Whoa’ ¦ I always thought you were in your twenties, from the tone of your posts. A++ maturity?

    Umm… a year of college education? (Left high school when I was sixteen). I don’t know. Flattering that y’all think I was older than I really was, though.

  379. Actually, I’m a seventeen year old with more spare time than he can handle, and thus my (semi) regular appearance here.

    You’re Allison’s age! Whoa… I always thought you were in your twenties, from the tone of your posts. A++ maturity?

  380. The person I replied to (was it you? I don’t remember) compared Lady Gaga’s career trajectory with their view of Kris’ future career trajectory. I didn’t say that Kris had to be as successful as her, or that she’s a good artist (although I think she is). What I’m saying is that Kris, coming off American Idol, will most probably NOT have a slow build career trajectory like Lady Gaga or end up half as successful as her, so she’s not a valid comparison or a justification for saying ‘but Kris could be super successful in the future, you can’t judge based on his current album sales, because REMEMBER LADY GAGA?’  It’s not about whether I think you should like her/ her music/ her stage name.

    Sherena:

    You’re likely referring to my post, and I certainly did not compare Kris’ career trajectory to Lady Gaga’s (it’s a few pages back). My point in bringing her up is that you cannot judge whether or not Kris is a successful recording artist six weeks after his album is released and then used Lady Gaga as an example. Lady Gaga had modest sales and built from there – she did not sell a million records in six weeks. That is my only point. There are plenty of successful artists who sell over the long term, Lady Gaga being only one example. Nowhere did I say I expected Kris’ career to parallel hers.

  381. Granted, I think Simon preferred Archie, but was never negative about Cook like he was Daughtry. [I’m not sure how anyone, even Simon, can dislike Cook.]

    This really cracked me up, because after all the posters agreeing earlier that Cook and Adam were two of the most charismatic AI male alums ever, the one Simon “critique” that stuck in my head was when he told Cook (I think on Top 20 night) that he had no charisma.

    Oh, and besides Simon saying no to Cook during Hollywood Week and calling him smug, pompous, worthy (Brit-speak for full of himself, I think), Simon also commented during Hollywood that Cook would look lost if he had to sing without his guitar. Considering that two of Cook’s strongest performances (Billie Jean and Always Be My Baby) were done sans guitar, I would say that was yet another major fail on the part of Simon Cowell’s predictive powers. Heh.

    And I have to agree with mj on the hilarity of watching/listening to Simon backpedal and rewrite history when talking about Jennifer Hudson.

  382. There is a “rumor” floating around that not to long ago tonight a DJ at Z100 at the end of playing WWFM made the statement “check out Adam Lambert performing live at The Grammy’s in January.. he’ll be breaking it down”.

    That would be pretty cool… here’s to hoping that it’s more than a rumor! :)

  383. There is a ‘rumor’  floating around that not to long ago tonight a DJ at Z100 at the end of playing WWFM made the statement ‘check out Adam Lambert performing live at The Grammy’s in January.. he’ll be breaking it down’ .

    I actually also heard the DJ say this and was just scouting around online to see if I could find anything to back it up. I haven’t found anything yet. The DJ actually said “Look for him at the Grammy’s January 31” and something about “breaking it down.” I hope the DJ is right about Adam being there — that would be so awesome!

  384. Q3 – Elliott Yamin’s album went gold in Japan. So it def did well. And Kelly Clarkson and Jordin have had platinum and gold albums in countries other than the US.

    Lady Gaga is the current it girl but actually hasn’t come close equaling the international sales of Kelly’s second album yet.

  385. mj
    12/28/2009 at 11:58 pm
    Note: Elliott Yamin had a single chart #3 in Japan, but not an album; Japanese music revenue is dominated by album sales. I did not check for chart positions of singles since the revenue numbers for singles are so small in most of these countries.

    Elliott Yamin released an album in Japan and it DID chart.

    In fact, it charted at #75 on the Billboard Year end Japan Hot 100 Albums chart. It’s right here:

    http://mjsbigblog.com/historical-charts/idol-billboard-year-end-chart-2008

    I think this album only charted on the Japan Hot 100 Billboard SoundScan chart but that is not the major chart for Japan and has limited retail sales coverage.

    The main chart in Japan is compiled by Oricon Inc. and I have rechecked it again and do not find Elliot’s album on it.

  386. ‘” the news, oddly enough, has barely caused a ripple in the online ‘Idol’  universe.

    I don’t believe that for a minute. Maybe there is less because of the holidays? My hopes is that Simon may be jolted into action and actually show an interest in the contestants.

    The ratings may not be as high without Simon, but with the right contestants and replacement judge, it could survive another 2 years.

  387. The DJ actually said ‘Look for him at the Grammy’s January 31’ ³ and something about ‘breaking it down.’  I hope the DJ is right about Adam being there ‘” that would be so awesome!

    Interesting–I highly doubt he’s performing (aren’t the performers almost exclusively nominees or super-huge established stars?), but maybe he’s presenting? Or maybe the DJ is just speculating that he’ll be there and it actually means nothing. :) I guess we’ll find out eventually.

  388. jpfan
    12/29/2009 at 3:24 am
    Q3 ‘“ Elliott Yamin’s album went gold in Japan. So it def did well. And Kelly Clarkson and Jordin have had platinum and gold albums in countries other than the US.

    Lady Gaga is the current it girl but actually hasn’t come close equaling the international sales of Kelly’s second album yet.

    I agree with Simon on this one — Idol has not yet produced a global superstar. David Bowie is a global superstar, Madonna is a global superstar. It is a short list.

    Gold in Japan is 100,000 units. I am not minimizing Elliott’s success but selling 100,000 units in Japan doesn’t make someone a global superstar.

    But I did miss Kelly on the Japanese album charts — her all time peak in Japan was at #34 for her last album. [The charts are hard for me to search because they are in Japanese. And, I did not search every Japanese chart for every Idol alum album. So someone else could have charted in Japan.] Kelly is by far my fav Idol winner and IMO the best female vocalist to ever walk on the Idol stage. I think she is also a talented songwriter and I would never intentionally diminish her.

    —————————————————————————–

    Many pages ago I wrote a comment about the article “Fans ready to see Simon Cowell go” basically saying that I thought Simon was an integral part of Idol and was often right. In my post, listed several times when Simon was right and Simon’s comment that he thought Adam would be Idol’s first true international star. I said that Adam “may be” the first true international star. I didn’t mention chart positions or album sales units — but somehow am back to charts and units.

    I truly regret mentioning Adam because my entire point seems to have gotten lost. Idol will not be the same without Simon and I think he adds value to the show. ITA that Simon sometimes lies to build “reality show drama”, and that he tries to revise history, but he is often [not always] right — and he makes Idol more interesting.

  389. I agree with you Q3. I don’t think Idol has produced an International star yet. Just because someone sells some CDs in other countries does not make them a star and I also agree the list is short for those who attained the status. Having one CD and Single chart is not stardom, it’s more of a one-hit wonder.

    AINow tweeted this:

    AINow
    Several people have been asking if @KrisAllen will be at the People’s Choice Awards. We just confirmed he won’t be there’ ¦

    So I guess that means he didn’t win breakout star. I wonder why they would confirm ahead of time they won’t be there. It kinda gives it away whether you won or not.

  390. Regarding international stardom, there’s an old quote credited to Woody Allen:

    “Eighty percent of success is showing up.”

    So, yeah, I think part of becoming known and, perhaps, appreciated around the world is actually showing up, performing, and putting in the work. Who’s to say how many Idol contestants who actually did this could attain an international following? Many of them don’t even try because it’s 1) expensive and 2) there are probably expectations of how their music might be greeted, i.e., country music not being big in many places around the world.

    This leaves aside the fact that the U.S. is a very big entertainment market, so there’s less of a need for American artists to actually go abroad in order to have a successful, notable career. (Not that non-Americans can’t have successful careers in their own countries/regions of the world, but the U.S. *is* seen as one of the most desirable markets to break into.)

  391. A couple of points, when people talk about superstars from the 70’s, you can’t discount the importance of album oriented rock radio back then. Artists did not have to rely on one single to do all the work. Also, keep in mind the importance of MTV when discussing Michael Jackson and Madonna’s success. Madonna was (is) not the best singer, but she was a great dancer. Michael was a great singer, AMAZING dancer. That helped both of them get their videos played at a time when most rock bands eschewed music videos (they had to jump on the bandwagon after MTV exploded in popularity). Sadly, AOR and MTV are wayyyy past their heyday so I don’t think we will ever see an international superstar like the ones that came out back then.

  392. My idea of an International Superstar is when an Artist or group can book a worldwide tour (and that doesn’t mean English speaking countries only, geesh) and they come close to selling out everywhere.

    There are only a handful of groups and entertainers that have done this consistently…and as yet No Idol has even come close.

    Now, Idols may rank as International Stars when their albums consistently go gold or platinum and rank in the top 20 on the charts, but again this has to include non English speaking countries or it’s a mute point.

    The United Kingdom, Australia, and Canada share so many “movie” stars and recording Artists that the lines sometimes grow pretty fuzzy…Just because Beiber, or Keith Urban sell in both their home country and the US doesn’t make them an international star!

  393. Can I just say that I never said (about 13 pages ago) that Simon could predict success. I said that his focus is on what will be successful, and his comments (usually) are on par with that.

    Nobody can predict success- there are so many factors going into it.

    I have to say that while i was mesmerized by Adam’s talent as a performer throughout the competition, I knew that all that isn’t worth much in the real world if you don’t have good music as the basis.

    Freddie Mercury was an AMAZING performer, but he wouldn’t be as legendary as he is if he didn’t have Queen’s fantastic arsenal of music.

    That’s why I was so relieved and excited when I heard his album- because I think he produced a great debut- with songs that are fun, sexy, some light, some deep with interesting twists, and some downright beautiful (Broken Open I’m looking at you).
    [As a U2 fan, if I put it on the U2 album scale, I would say FYE may not be as good as Achtung Baby, but it’s better than The Joshua Tree (both great albums, BTW, IMO).]

    Will that make him a global SUPERSTAR?
    Well, who knows, but it certainly means he has the potential to be one.

    In order to be one, though, he will have to be ready to work his behind off for quite a while- but he’s in a better starting position than most, IMO, because of the combination of his rare talent (yes- I think it’s rare- he’s not just a “good singer” but let’s not dive into that one) and his music, which I think is better than most of the things I hear these days.

    And, for me, it would be wonderful if he made it globally, because it would mean I’ll actually be able to see him live without the oh-so-expensive ticket to the USA… :-)

  394. This leaves aside the fact that the U.S. is a very big entertainment market, so there’s less of a need for American artists to actually go abroad in order to have a successful, notable career. (Not that non-Americans can’t have successful careers in their own countries/regions of the world, but the U.S. *is* seen as one of the most desirable markets to break into.)

    The US is the place to make $$, but the world is such a big place and is not the end all, be all of music. This comment isn’t really directed to you – at all. I just find Americans frustrating at times when they don’t acknowledge that there is a whole world outside them that doesn’t thrive on what America thinks is cool. And, yes, I am an American.

    auntieaimee
    12/29/2009 at 7:18 am
    A couple of points, when people talk about superstars from the 70’s, you can’t discount the importance of album oriented rock radio back then. Artists did not have to rely on one single to do all the work. Also, keep in mind the importance of MTV when discussing Michael Jackson and Madonna’s success. Madonna was (is) not the best singer, but she was a great dancer. Michael was a great singer, AMAZING dancer. That helped both of them get their videos played at a time when most rock bands eschewed music videos (they had to jump on the bandwagon after MTV exploded in popularity). Sadly, AOR and MTV are wayyyy past their heyday so I don’t think we will ever see an international superstar like the ones that came out back then.

    Videos definitely MADE many of the artists in the 80’s. AOR & MTV are past their heyday, I completely agree… however the internet is here which is a much greater potential in creating stars, especially across borders. With the internet and so many voices out there.. it creates alot of noise, but there is also so much opportunity than ever before for rising stars. My background is internet marketing and technology marketing. We are still in the infancy of this.

    Two things need to happen first before the internet can make a superstar.
    1) The music industry needs to change their selling model. Something needs to change to make them more profitable and become less risk adverse. I stated earlier that it might be the indie labels that do this. They have more to lose and profit wise are backed up against a wall… that is when innovation occurs.
    2) since we are now talking about the internet. New (potential superstar) artists need to be more than ‘just’ about the music. They need to be a spokes model ;), be a visual performer & have real/live vocal talent. Technology is converging so the excellence visual will need to again be matched with the audio.

    This is all going to take a while. I’ve been waiting for 10 years for TV and internet to completely converge and that hasn’t happened to my satisfaction yet. The heyday of the MTV is gone, but the emergence of international stars is not gone just yet.

  395. Videos definitely MADE many of the artists in the 80’s. AOR & MTV are past their heyday, I completely agree’ ¦ however the internet is here which is a much greater potential in creating stars, especially across borders. With the internet and so many voices out there.. it creates alot of noise, but there is also so much opportunity than ever before for rising stars. My background is internet marketing and technology marketing. We are still in the infancy of this.

    One thing that I find completely ridiculous is that you can’t buy music from other contries on itunes. Especially when I as a European can watch a lot of things over the internet and become interested in artists that are not marketed in my country. Having a country restricted itunes is just BAD BUSINESS. So you download illegally. A whole generation has learned to download illegally because the music industry was so slow. And they still are slow.

  396. Canadian Idol judges are a complete joke ‘“ no one even knows who the eff they are. And with the exception of a couple of people the show has produced nothin’. IMHO (of course)

    Hey, you’re entitled to your opinion. Is there a reason why you call the Canadian Idol judges a complete joke? They actually know something about music. Their comments indicate a wide knowledge of past and current music, something I just don’t hear from Simon and Paula, let’s say.

    Three are producers, one is also an entertainment lawyer and a former performer, and one is a singer. They know their stuff. Also, the Canadian Idol judges aren’t drawing mustaches on each other or giving the wrong critique at the wrong time, and they actually are available to the contestants and aren’t just picking up the paycheck on the way out the door. They also can be concise and don’t cause the show to run overtime, even though there are four of them.

    Canadian Idol was the first Idol show to feature contestants playing instruments (on a top 6 results night in 2004), and I think it may have been the first to allow contestants to play instruments in auditions and performances.

    Also, the type of music contestants are allowed to do is current. They aren’t doing things from twenty years ago all the time. I was surprised when Kris’s choice of Falling Slowly was considered unusual, since new songs are sung on CI all the time.

    AI has its good points and so does CI. Yes, AI turns out recording artists with more success. But there are many factors involved in that. The US in general turns out the most recording stars. It doesn’t mean CI is a bad show or that the people on it aren’t really talented.

    I wrote this more to explain CI to people who may be interested in it than for any other reason. I enjoy it and I think most people here would probably enjoy it.

    Thank you ross for posting this. I, too, am a huge CI fan and find the show much actually more music oriented than AI. The judges actually focus on the contestants and not themselves……..what a concept!

  397. I love how the internet transcends country, age, and other traditional barriers, and allows us to communicate with each other. The net def has its good points.

    Re being an international star, wow, that’s something to think about. What does it mean, and how does it happen, and how do you measure it, if you can? If Britney’s an international star, that’s not a good sign, as she doesn’t sing, she lip synchs, and is known for her sexuality and body more than her musical ability. Totally prefab music, imo. So does that mean that the loud, visual, splashy, showy acts are the ones that can make it internationally? There has to be more to it than that.

    Is it really limited to Britney, MJ, JT and Xt? I hope not, that’s a very small group and other than MJ doesn’t represent our best music or singers imo. Just people who put on a good show.

    Isn’t there other music that is played on radio in other countries and aren’t there songs that are big hits in other countries? Don’t other people tour around the world besides the big, splashy acts? I mean, Bon Jovi tours the world don’t they? Tom Petty? It’s not only “pop fab” that tours and has success worldwide.

    I can’t believe that people in other countries are only attracted to the Britney/Madonna brand of music. I find it hard to believe that they are the only international superstars.

    We probably need to do some research so we know what we’re talking about … and I love hearing from people in other countries too. And besides, I don’t get the disparagement of success in other English-speaking countries like Australia or Britain, as if success there doesn’t count. Yes it does count, it is international success isn’t it?

    P.S. Ross I love your description of CI. I have a feeling I would like those judges very much, from what I know of Canada and what I hear about the show.

  398. I can’t believe that people in other countries are only attracted to the Britney/Madonna brand of music. I find it hard to believe that they are the only international superstars.

    I think the music industry has been kind of stuck lately and not many new big acts have emerged. I think this is a reason why older acts like Madonna, Rolling Stones, U2 and Bruce Springsteen still can sell out Arenas. Not many new acts today can support an Arena tour. I think Gaga is the first potential big act since the Britney/Xtina era and she is still building up her fanbase.

  399. American Idol and shows of that sort will always exist because people have developed a taste, and people look for entertainment during those prime tv hours. In this case, Simon added entertainment value for those viewers(older adults & young kids) who sat at home and watched tv.

    I personally don’t value Simon’s opinion about music/artists and what his thoughts are about what these artists/contestants should do or be. Unless Im into Simon and his passion for bland pop, mainstream happy-go-lucky, pretty poser robots/artists with personality, then add me to the “it’s not the same without Simon” list.
    I never watched a full season of AI, just bits and pieces while channel surfing during commercials of an NBA/NCAA game and if I was home at that time. When I did, I laughed at some of his comments for being stupid and ridiculous, and some for being way off. Why would anybody want to please this rude clueless idiot. Contestants, I guess, because of Simon’s influence on the voting viewers(mind boggling).

    But this year I was bitten hard by the AI bug, and it goes by the name of Allison Iraheta and Simon had nothing to do with it. I was lucky to have discovered her during a commercial break when she was singing Give In To Me – a Michael Jackson song with Slash on lead guitar. Naturally, I paid attention to her rich, rampage style vocals, that I let her finish the song WITH judge comments, and nearly forgot the game I was watching. I’m into rock and the bands I listen to are GnR, Pearl Jam, NiN, AFI, Franz Ferdinand etc., and she clearly defined herself and directed her interpretations of her covers in that route – even on Someone To Watch Over Me with her incredible vocal texture. Clearly going against the grain on the show(Simon) and an audience who preferred Danny and the other guys. Weird though, after doing an incredible Janis cover while everybody else was doing poppy classic rock, she gets the boot. Happy and sad she was voted off – it would have shaken me and what Im about if she were to land in the finale.

    Then while searching for Alli, I found out she did another Joplin tune before Idol – Piece of My Heart.
    Also thats how I found this joint. Next season? NBA/NCAA life goes on listening to JUST LIKE YOU.

  400. I did a little research on wiki just for starters:

    Bon Jovi: “and have sold over 120 million albums worldwide. They have performed more than 2,600 concerts in over 50 countries for more than 34 million fans, and were inducted into the UK Music Hall of Fame in 2006.”

    Bruce Springsteen: “He has earned numerous awards for his work, including nineteen Grammy Awards, two Golden Globes and an Academy Award, and continues to have a strong global fan base. He has sold more than 65 million albums in the United States and 120 million worldwide.” and “Springsteen probably is best known for his album Born in the U.S.A. (1984), which sold 15 million copies in the U.S. and became one of the best-selling albums of all time, with seven singles hitting the Top 10, and the massively successful world tour that followed it.”

    I am sure that Bob Dylan, Aerosmith, Joni Mitchell, Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles, Roy Orbinson, Marvin Gaye, Johnny Cash, and Barry Manilow were/are international stars, as well as many others. I don’t know about current international stars but I imagine there are many more than Britney/Madonna/et al. When it comes to “international superstars” that would apply to most of those people named here too, I believe. I think maybe there’s too much emphasis being placed here on a small select group, only the current pop superstars, but I think we could expand that list quite a bit to include many American artists who are worldwide successes.

    ETA: Green Day is a current band with worldwide success and I know there are others. “American Idiot”: “Through 2005, the band toured in support of the album with about 150 dates ‘” the longest tour in its career ‘” visiting Japan, Australia, South America and the United Kingdom, where they drew a crowd of 130,000 people over a span of two days.” and “21st century breakdown”: “the album hit #1 in fourteen different countries, hitting Gold or Platinum in each. … Green Day is currently on a world tour that started in North America in July, 2009 and continuing around the world throughout the rest of 2009 and early 2010.”

    Creed’s another band with worldwide success and making a comeback now. “The Creed 2009 Reunion Tour kicked off on August 6, 2009 and concluded on October 20, one week before the release of the album. However, on October 24, it was confirmed by Scott Phillips that Creed was to go on a World Tour in March 2010, starting with another US tour, followed by Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South America, and Europe. This will be a tour in support of the new album. It was also confirmed that Creed has more albums to come after Full Circle.”

    In other words, the world doesn’t revolve around MJ, Britney, Madonna, and JT. Literally. LOL.

  401. Well, I agree that Simon is invaluable. And Idol hasn’t produced anyone like Bowie or Madonna either. You know superstars who have careers lasting 20 or 30 years. Guess what, I don’t think it ever will because game changers like that don’t need reality TV to make their careers. However, Idol has produced popular artists who have achieved some global success.

    I have no idea if Adam will join them. First, he needs to establish success in the US though.

  402. I have no idea if Adam will join them. First, he needs to establish success in the US though.

    True that. Hopefully WWFM continues to gain success after the holiday season because right now, IMO, Adam is more famous for being a celebrity than being a musician.

  403. Isn’t there other music that is played on radio in other countries and aren’t there songs that are big hits in other countries?

    Yes, but they aren’t necessarily Americans. Every country has their own homegrown stars as well.

  404. But this year I was bitten hard by the AI bug, and it goes by the name of Allison Iraheta and Simon had nothing to do with it. I was lucky to have discovered her during a commercial break when she was singing Give In To Me ‘“ a Michael Jackson song with Slash on lead guitar. Naturally, I paid attention to her rich, rampage style vocals, that I let her finish the song WITH judge comments, and nearly forgot the game I was watching. I’m into rock and the bands I listen to are GnR, Pearl Jam, NiN, AFI, Franz Ferdinand etc., and she clearly defined herself and directed her interpretations of her covers in that route ‘“ even on Someone To Watch Over Me with her incredible vocal texture. Clearly going against the grain on the show(Simon) and an audience who preferred Danny and the other guys. Weird though, after doing an incredible Janis cover while everybody else was doing poppy classic rock, she gets the boot. Happy and sad she was voted off ‘“ it would have shaken me and what Im about if she were to land in the finale.

    Are you getting Allison’s performances confused? Allison did Give in to Me on Top 13 week – Slash was not there. On Top 4 week, Slash accompanied the Idols for hte group performance of School’s Out but that’s it? As for Allison being out after Crybaby, yeah it was a travesty after the previous night’s butchering of Dream On. But I don’t know that I would call anything the 3 guys did that night popp, classic rock. Kris maybe you can go there on Come Together, but I don’t think of Whole Lotta Love or Dream On in that way. JMO

  405. True that. Hopefully WWFM continues to gain success after the holiday season because right now, IMO, Adam is more famous for being a celebrity than being a musician.

    Completely agree with you on this – and I think that the whole AMA controversy hurt him because the focus was not on the music. While the focus has started to go back towards his music, this is still int he background.

  406. “One thing that I find completely ridiculous is that you can’t buy music from other contries on itunes. Especially when I as a European can watch a lot of things over the internet and become interested in artists that are not marketed in my country. Having a country restricted itunes is just BAD BUSINESS. So you download illegally. A whole generation has learned to download illegally because the music industry was so slow. And they still are slow.”

    Saga I totally agree. Many Australians download illegally if things are too slow to be released here – music & TV shows especially!! Its a viscious circle really -the more that illegally download – the less the albums /songs sell so the longer they take to be released !!

    Oh & I can think of many artists far better than Britney & Madonna that are great artists & International Superstars & of course they have been around for many years – Billy Joel, Elton John, Paul McCartney, The Eagles to name just a few.
    I don’t think artists who have only been a round for a year or so, ala Lady Gaga ,can be named in that category yet until they have proven that they have staying power & are not just part of a “trend” for now!!

  407. Just to add, since we were talking last night about Kelly Clarkson’s international success:

    “Clarkson is currently the only American Idol contestant to have reached number one in the UK … She has sold over 10.2 million albums in the United States, and over 20 million albums worldwide … ”

    She has toured in Australia, New Zealand, Britain, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Germany, Denmark, Switzerland, Belgium, Netherlands, South Africa, Indonesia (Jakarta), and Canada. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Clarkson_concert_tours)

  408. Yes, but they aren’t necessarily Americans. Every country has their own homegrown stars as well.

    Of course, but I was talking about American artists, sorry I wasn’t more clear.

    Billy Joel, Elton John, Paul McCartney, The Eagles to name just a few.

    Well, Elton and McCartney are British, I think the subject last night was about American artists who have become international stars or superstars.

  409. Many pages ago I wrote a comment about the article ‘Fans ready to see Simon Cowell go’  basically saying that I thought Simon was an integral part of Idol and was often right. In my post, listed several times when Simon was right and Simon’s comment that he thought Adam would be Idol’s first true international star. I said that Adam ‘may be’  the first true international star. I didn’t mention chart positions or album sales units ‘” but somehow am back to charts and units.

    I truly regret mentioning Adam because my entire point seems to have gotten lost. Idol will not be the same without Simon and I think he adds value to the show. ITA that Simon sometimes lies to build ‘reality show drama’ , and that he tries to revise history, but he is often [not always] right ‘” and he makes Idol more interesting.

    Q3, I’ve been following this discussion since last night and I completely agree with your statements, so I don’t think you should regret making them. I also think that AI is still to produce a true global superstar. Growing up in USSR I remember going crazy over Queen, MJ, Madonna, The Beatles, Pink Floyd, ABBA to name the most memorable (I may have left some out). So, to me a global superstar means that ppl know the name and the music of the artist in non-english speaking countries that have strong music of their own, for me that is Europe, Russia, Asia, etc. From the more recent artists, I think Britney achieved that to a degree ( i don’t know if she will have a staying power). I have been living in the USA for the last 18 years, but I do stay in touch with a lot of ppl there so will make sure to ask them which of our artists they like or just know about (market research of sorts, lol).
    So, just to state my own opinion on the matter I do believe that Adam has what it takes to become a global superstar: vocals, personality, ability to put on a show, and a great album that has the potential to translate into a crazy live show, so we just have to wait and see.
    And one last thing, my nephews in Moscow have heard TFM on the radio over there and liked it, it seems TMF got more radio love there, lol.

  410. I don’t think artists who have only been a round for a year or so, ala Lady Gaga ,can be named in that category yet until they have proven that they have staying power & are not just part of a ‘trend’  for now!!

    I’ll be interesting to watch. I think we are due for a change in trends, whether it will be L. Gaga like or not, we’ll see.. Big shifts in music start with ‘trends/fads’ then develop into something deeper. Nirvana is a good example of a band that impacted mainstream music. Personally, I think she is talented enough to tip the scales and start something long lasting, even if she fades in a few years.

  411. anovich :Are you getting Allison’s performances confused? Allison did Give in to Me on Top 13 week ‘“ Slash was not there. On Top 4 week, Slash accompanied the Idols for hte group performance of School’s Out but that’s it?

    I guess I should’ve mentioned top 13 week. I said Slash because I know all the work Slash has done – one of my all-time favorite guitarists. In that particular track MJ asked Slash to do a solo for him, and he also appears in the video with another gunner as well.

    As for Allison being out after Crybaby, yeah it was a travesty after the previous night’s butchering of Dream On. But I don’t know that I would call anything the 3 guys did that night popp, classic rock. Kris maybe you can go there on Come Together, but I don’t think of Whole Lotta Love or Dream On in that way. JMO

    I guess I meant the other songs are more popular than Cry Baby, especially the can’t-go-wrong, everybody-likes WLL. Cry Baby is textured, deeper with meaning and feelings that even on tour, Allison shed tears during her performance of Cry Baby.

  412. Rub speaking of which… I can’t wait to watch the rewind of Rock week on Fox Reality.

  413. I’ll be interesting to watch. I think we are due for a change in trends, whether it will be L. Gaga like or not, we’ll see.. Big shifts in music start with ‘trends/fads’ then develop into something deeper.

    She’s a trend in the pop world, but that’s not the only, you know, genre of music in the world. I guess AI is about finding a pop star? Thus we talk about pop a lot here. But the show also produces rockers, country artists, beat boxers (ha), soul and r&b singers, etc. So … I’m trying to understand why we mainly focus on pop here it seems, as if it was the only thing.

    So I guess I’m saying, there is pop, and its trends, and there is rock, punk. alt, and all the other genres, as well, and they have trends too. Just to remind us that pop isn’t the only game in town. (*waves a little flag for the rockers*)

  414. Gold in Japan is 100,000 units. I am not minimizing Elliott’s success but selling 100,000 units in Japan doesn’t make someone a global superstar.

    Nobody said Elliott was a global superstar.

    You were minimizing Elliott’s impact in Japan–folks were pointing out that Elliott released an album in Japan that was fairly popular.

  415. Well, I agree that Simon is invaluable. And Idol hasn’t produced anyone like Bowie or Madonna either. You know superstars who have careers lasting 20 or 30 years. Guess what, I don’t think it ever will because game changers like that don’t need reality TV to make their careers. However, Idol has produced popular artists who have achieved some global success.

    Idol has only been on for 8/9 years….we do not know who, if anyone, will have a lasting 20-30 year career because we can’t see into the future…maybe someone will/maybe no one will. But I will say, that in 1984 if someone had told me that Madonna would have the career that she has had and still be selling out arenas at age 50 I would have thought they were nuts…same with Bon Jovi– never would have thought that out of all of those hair bands they would still be around touring the world, having the kind of career they have had….when Billy Joel was singing the treacly (IMO) just the way you are in the early 80s, i never would have thought he would be closing down a sold out shea stadium with Paul McCartney flying in from London to participate….you just don’t know.

  416. I guess I meant the other songs are more popular than Cry Baby, especially the can’t-go-wrong, everybody-likes WLL. Cry Baby is textured, deeper with meaning and feelings that even on tour, Allison shed tears during her performance of Cry Baby.

    Uh, Rub, listen- I also dug Allison after Give In to Me- my best MJ song by far (LOVE that video with him and Slash!), and loved her performance of Cry Baby… But-

    Can’t go wrong with Whole Lotta Love?? Really? I can imagine EVERYTHING going wrong with WWL- for starters, have you ever tried to sing it? It’s an extremely hard song to sing- and to take on Robert Plant requires major guts, to say the least- now there’s a guy who was considered a Rock “God”.
    Not to mention that almost no one ever got the rights to sing ANY Led Zeppelin song.

    Just sayin’…

  417. Yes, but they aren’t necessarily Americans. Every country has their own homegrown stars as well.

    Of course, but I was talking about American artists, sorry I wasn’t more clear.

    Most of the time when I hear a song on the radio I don’t know which country the artist is coming from. Sorry… I’m still not answering your question, am I? ;)

    Yes, there are other American artists apart from Madonna/Britney on radio here in Finland, for example, but when can you really call an artist a global (super)star… That is quite difficult determine. But I also thing that the nationality of the artist isn’t that important in today’s world, or at least it shouldn’t be.

  418. She’s a trend in the pop world, but that’s not the only, you know, genre of music in the world. I guess AI is about finding a pop star? Thus we talk about pop a lot here. But the show also produces rockers, country artists, beat boxers (ha), soul and r&b singers, etc. So ‘ ¦ I’m trying to understand why we mainly focus on pop here it seems, as if it was the only thing.

    So I guess I’m saying, there is pop, and its trends, and there is rock, punk. alt, and all the other genres, as well, and they have trends too. Just to remind us that pop isn’t the only game in town. (*waves a little flag for the rockers*)

    True, but Nirvana isn’t exactly pop, but created a trend in pop. The only point I’d disagree with here… is that AI hasn’t produced a rocker yet. As far as I know the only (bigger AI) artist that have gone off the pop reservation is Ruben, Fantasia, Carrie, Jennifer H. – as much as I like Blake beat box boy he hasn’t really done well enough to say that “AI produced” him. I have one of his recent singles and I like it, but he has abandoned beatbox styling.

    Also, maybe I wasn’t clear in my post. When I say big shifts in music, I mean mainstream music. I don’t mean that she is going to change all music, that just isn’t possible in my world.

    ETA: I have nothing against discussing rock on this site, I just haven’t seen much of it on AI. I do like the rock flavors in my pop… my fav. type of music is punk pop.

  419. Of course, but I was talking about American artists, sorry I wasn’t more clear.

    A lot of American music make it across the pond. I think KOL was big in Europe before they became big in the States. There is an appreciation for the whole blues/jazz tradition. Norah Jones, John Mayer and Alicia Keyes are popular. Dance music. Country not so much, an I think rock like Nickelback, Daughtry and Cook will always be hard to market in Europe. Rap and r&b are becoming less popular.

  420. The US is the place to make $$, but the world is such a big place and is not the end all, be all of music. This comment isn’t really directed to you ‘“ at all. I just find Americans frustrating at times when they don’t acknowledge that there is a whole world outside them that doesn’t thrive on what America thinks is cool. And, yes, I am an American.

    I think I did acknowledge that there’s a world outside of the U.S. by putting that proviso in my comments. But, as I also mentioned, the U.S. is a huge entertainment market and so many of our acts don’t have to become international stars to do very well — especially since so much of our popular culture gets exposure overseas almost without our artists even having to try. But, it sure helps if they do.

  421. Re: global superstars-

    If you’re talking Pop-yes- the Americans are dominating (MJ, Madonna, Britney).

    But in the Rock category? I think the Brits (and one particular Irish group) have been ruling that territory for years, starting with the Beatles, and then the Stones, Led Zeppelin, Queen, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, U2, Radiohead and the most recent ones are Coldplay and Muse.

    American rock artists? Yeah, there was Springsteen and there were Guns’n’Roses. And to a lesser extent there are Bon Jovi and Mettalica.

    Anyhow, don’t think the “classic” rock world will be too accepting of an artist who comes off a reality show, no matter what.
    But then again, “Classic” rock has died years ago, and so who knows what the future brings?

  422. MJ…folks were pointing out that Elliott released an album in Japan that was fairly popular.

    Good point and selling 100,000 copies aint too shabby. Especially in Japan per capita.
    Hey Koshka Im gonna check it out too.
    If I remember correctly, when Slash gets introduced, they point out how he sold world wide. If we count his days with Guns N’ Roses and Velvet Revolver, he has sold over 100 Million world wide! Talk about international success for an in your face band without any of the qualities Simon looks for. And now Slash is about to release his solo album and tour world wide in support of it. For them, it was all about the music and attitude.
    He did enjoy Allison on rock week.

  423. cookcricket
    12/29/2009 at 12:14 am
    Maybe Kris will never be as big as Lady Gaga (at least on the pop charts and in pop culture), but he doesn’t have the advantage past idol winners have had.

    Would you explain this? What advantages have past winners had?

    Neither is Diana Krall but I’d rather listen to Diana Krall. Or, for Diana Krall, substitute hundreds of other artists who will never be as successful as Lady Gaga but who don’t name themselves after baby talk, wear ridiculous costumes, or pour fake blood on themselves.

    I love Diana Krall. I love Jazz, period. I also love Lady GaGa & Adam Lambert. Not mutually exclusive.

  424. I think I did acknowledge that there’s a world outside of the U.S. by putting that proviso in my comments. But, as I also mentioned, the U.S. is a huge entertainment market and so many of our acts don’t have to become international stars to do very well ‘” especially since so much of our popular culture gets exposure overseas almost without our artists even having to try. But, it sure helps if they do.

    Sassy… I should have left your comment off… my comments were NOT directed at you, as I stated. I was just on my soap box for a few minutes.

  425. Lady Gaga but who don’t name themselves after baby talk, wear ridiculous costumes, or pour fake blood on themselves.

    Just a small point… ever hear of Radio Gaga? That is where the gaga comes from. It was a nickname she acquired as a teen.

  426. I’ll be interesting to watch. I think we are due for a change in trends, whether it will be L. Gaga like or not, we’ll see.. Big shifts in music start with ‘trends/fads’ then develop into something deeper.

    I agree with this, there is definetely a shift going on in the mainstream music. The charts in Sweden used to be filled with rnb inspired pop. Ashanti, Monica, Whitney, Mariah, Xtina, Brandy, Aaliyah, Usher, Nelly, JT, Mary J Blidge, Faith Evans, Destinys Child, Angie Stone, Jill Scott, Alicia, Lauryn Hill, Fugees.

    Nowadays there is Alicia, Beyonce and Rihanna. And they are all infusing other music styles in their recent albums. I don’t think Mary and Usher will be able to make a come-back internationally, not on a huge scale.

  427. Mr. : Can’t go wrong with Whole Lotta Love?? Really? I can imagine EVERYTHING going wrong with WWL- for starters, have you ever tried to sing it? It’s an extremely hard song to sing- and to take on Robert Plant requires major guts, to say the least- now there’s a guy who was considered a Rock ‘God’ .

    True, its very hard for me to sing WLL since I can’t sing even if my life depended on it. Every band in the 80s covered it and they did good. Linda Perry did it to with Slash here, she killed it. The high for me on that track are the guitar riffs and the solo, and of course Plants wailing. What I meant was that you can’t go wrong(if you can sing it) with a song the target audience is familiar with, and so classic everybody knows it.

  428. True, its very hard for me to sing WLL since I can’t sing even if my life depended on it. Every band in the 80s covered it and they did good. Linda Perry did it to with Slash here, she killed it. The high for me on that track are the guitar riffs and the solo, and of course Plants wailing. What I meant was that you can’t go wrong(if you can sing it) with a song the target audience is familiar with, and so classic everybody knows it.

    Funny I thought Cry Baby was one of those well known classic songs also

  429. Rub is can go wrong… very wrong. :) I once saw an idol from season’s past, singing this song on YT. I believe it was a tour performance. Bad is all I can say to be kind and not mention names.

  430. Kanadie Bonttell
    12/29/2009 at 12:19 am
    Man I wish I had time to go read this whole thread..sounds like a total knockdown dragout debate going on today! Well if this has already been posted, it couldn’t hurt to do it again, to bring some cheer!

    Adam Lamberts Youngest Fans’ ¦’ ¦.This is long but great!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF0Ng29ISkU&feature=player_embedded

    A little late- but thanks Kanadie for posting this!
    I bet every idol has some kids dancing along to them, but since I love Adam, this was absolutely awesome for me!
    And i love the parents who let their boys put on the nail polish! I know so many people who are close-minded and won’t even dress their baby boy in red, for fear of god-knows-what…
    Ofcourse, they always claim it’s not out of homophobia- it’s just “not to mess the kid up, you know”…
    Sorry for going OT, heh.

  431. clearone and oceana, thanks. Glad you like CI, clearone, and oceana, I’m pretty sure you would like it. If you look up “igrecman” on dailymotion he has the past season and two others, but also look up season 2 on YouTube (or Jacob Hoggard or Kalan Porter) as that was one of the best.

    koshka, thanks for the Lady Gaga info.

  432. Just a small point’ ¦ ever hear of Radio Gaga? That is where the gaga comes from. It was a nickname she acquired as a teen.

    Did she say that? That’s weird, because that song came out around the year she was born. I can’t imagine kids she went to school with even knowing that song.

  433. The name reference was in L. Gaga’s latest Fuse interview. It was a great interview, my Husband who has forsaken any music past the 80’s ;) was interested.

  434. This thread is probably dead, but if not- auntieaimee- re: GaGa’s name-

    My favourite music while growing up included the Beatles, David Bowie, Queen and Pink Floyd, and I can assure you their prime was waaaay past (in the Beatles and Queen’s case- non existent anymore) when I was a teenager.

    Good music is good music, and when you’re a teenager you tend to dig up a lot of the old stuff

  435. Yeah, I hear you. It’s just that Radio Gaga was arguably Queen’s weakest tune. Even as a kid I thought it was stupid. I don’t believe much of anything that comes out of Lady Gaga’s mouth, but this one just seemed like a doozy. I mean, whatevs, she’s fun and all.

  436. Hey- I happen to like Radio GaGa (radio googoo radio gaga- clap clap)!!

    ;-)

  437. auntieaimee
    12/29/2009 at 1:02 pm
    Yeah, I hear you. It’s just that Radio Gaga was arguably Queen’s weakest tune. Even as a kid I thought it was stupid. I don’t believe much of anything that comes out of Lady Gaga’s mouth, but this one just seemed like a doozy. I mean, whatevs, she’s fun and all.

    The origin a the nickname Lady Gaga has been confirmed by people she went to High School with. And Queen is still very popular with people who like classic rock, glam rock and theatrical music — even some teens.

    Almost everything Lady Gaga does is planned and more than it seems. I believe that she chose the name because it was her nickname, she counts Queen as a major influence and because of what the song is about. “Radio Gaga” is bot a commentary on the quality of entertainment and about paradigm shifts in media/entertainment business — the replacement of radio by television, and emergence of music videos. The original lyrics were Radio Ca Ca — intended as a play on words for the word “caca” which means shit in Spanish, similiar words in many other languages. Queen changed it to Radio Gaga because is sounds better.

  438. “Yeah, I hear you. It’s just that Radio Gaga was arguably Queen’s weakest tune.”

    Hey have you heard “Fat bottomed girls” – that to me is their weakest song!! On Queen’s Live Aid performance in 1985 – Radio gaga was a great hit- very effective with that huge crowd singing & clapping along!!!

    Its funny- I am & always was a huge Queen fan but my reasons for liking them were not about Freddy’s “glam” tendency’s but the groups harmonies & musicianship- Freddie’s piano , Brian’s guitar & John’s bass playing!! So for me lady Ga-ga is off on too much of the “glam” tangent for my liking!! Its interesting though that The Beatles were also an influence – they really have been a major influence on many great artists!!

  439. jpfan
    12/29/2009 at 9:41 am
    Well, I agree that Simon is invaluable. And Idol hasn’t produced anyone like Bowie or Madonna either. You know superstars who have careers lasting 20 or 30 years. Guess what, I don’t think it ever will because game changers like that don’t need reality TV to make their careers. However, Idol has produced popular artists who have achieved some global success.

    I have no idea if Adam will join them. First, he needs to establish success in the US though.

    I agree with you except on one small point — Lady Gaga proved that an American artist can be a success outside the US first and then become successful her. The Fame peaked at #4 in the US, was #1 in EU, and 20 other countries. Now she has become so popular here that they are moving her tour to arenas — as quickly as the can — including switching the Chicago Theater 2 nights to the Rosemont less than 2 weeks before the show with a $288 minimum ticket.

    There are other American artists that had to become successful in UK or Europe before they were really successful here — Jimi Hendrix, The Pretenders, for example.

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