Idol Headlines for 11/23/09

Adam Lambert ready to shake up pop world with CD

LOS ANGELES ‘” During rehearsals for his outlandish American Music Awards performance, amid a thundercloud of throbbing theater lights and special-effects fog, Adam Lambert effortlessly governs the sprawling stage while gripping a microphone in his gloved hands and donning a tight T-shirt slathered with an image of David Bowie’s face.

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“Let’s do it faster, ” the ebony-haired singer prods a choreographer.

“Tell them it should be really bright there, ” he later cues a technician.

“Turn that off, ” he barks mid-performance over a backing track at the sound engineer.

Associated Press

Lambert says man-on-man kiss at AMA happened ‘in the moment’

Los Angeles, California (CNN) — Adam Lambert’s sexually suggestive choreography — including kissing another male — on the American Music Awards stage Sunday night happened “in the moment, ” the singer told CNN.

Lambert, who is openly gay, said it is “a form of discrimination and a double standard” for anyone to object since “women performers have been pushing the envelope” for decades.

CNN.com

Taylor Swift, Michael Jackson Big Winners At American Music Awards

Taylor Swift took home five awards, including Artist of the Year, at the 37th American Music Awards on Sunday night (November 22), but the evening was truly dominated by a series of memorable performances from some of the biggest names in the business. During the three-hour live show at the Nokia Theatre in Los Angeles, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Eminem, Jay-Z and Alicia Keys, Shakira, Carrie Underwood, Kelly Clarkson, Jennifer Lopez, Green Day and Adam Lambert all took the stage.

MTV

In defense of Adam Lambert: As a TV event, he was splendid

I admire the way my colleague Michael Slezak has analyzed the shortcomings of Adam Lambert’s AMA performance. He writes like a first-rate music critic, breaking down the ways in which Lambert’s vocals, the show’s sound system, the song itself, and the over-the-top performance failed, from Michael’s point of view as an expert of the American Idol aesthetic.

EW

Adam Lambert Breaks Down AMAs ‘Controversy’  as Stars React to His Wild Night

But as countless pop and rock stars both gay and straight have learned, with the pipes and popularity often comes responsibility ‘” whether it be to your fans, the media, the public at large or an organized movement. Lambert learned that early on in Idol, and the lesson was reaffirmed more recently when the editor of Out magazine chose to call out the Idol imaging machine (and Lambert’s apparent complicity in a make-me-seem-less-gay plot) in a scathing letter to readers. It too was a big topic of conversation during the pre-show and a heated one at that.

Rolling Stone

American Music Awards 2009: Adam Lambert, Lady Gaga Dazzle; Jennifer Lopez Performs New Song ‘Louboutins’ 

Performances by Lady Gaga and Adam Lambert were among the musical highlights. Lady Gaga, dressed in a flesh-colored bodysuit wrapped with white piping ‘” embedded with flashing lights meant to imitate ribs? ‘” performed a (literally) smashing rendition of ‘Speechless.’  Starting off by singing hit ‘Bad Romance, ‘  she segued into ‘Speechless’  by using her microphone stand to bust open a glass box with a piano inside. Straddling the bench, she then proceeded to smash glass bottles as she performed the song. In a bizarre touch, she had violinists perform wearing gas masks in smoke-filled chambers beside her.

Wall Street Journal

Adam Lambert goes all S&M during the American Music Awards

He sang his single ‘For Your Entertainment.’  The stage was packed with dancers in what appeared to be a pseudo S&M club. Adam at one point had a guy on a leash. Moments later, another dude grinded his face into Adam’s crotch. (The camera turned away too late for that one. No wonder this aired at 10:55 p.m. EST! It was apparently edited out on the West Coast feed.). He later kissed the keyboardist, who looked like a girl to me but apparently was a guy.

He used his vintage Adam screech frequently and was oddly offkey at times. Was I entertained? Not enough. Overall, it was a bit of a mess and way over the top. He seemed to be trying way too hard to amp it to 11. I anticipate the Adam acolytes will lap up this spectacle and defend him to no end but I doubt he made any new fans.

AJC

Adam Lambert at the AMAs: Simulated fellatio, bikini-area snapping, and makeout sessions. But what about the vocals?

Talk about ‘No Boundaries’ : Adam Lambert made his first big post-Idol splash tonight, closing the American Music Awards with a performance of his debut single ‘For Your Entertainment’  that ‘” to my surprise and disappointment ‘” emphasized shock-and-awe imagery over his standard-operating vocal excellence. To be fair, the entire telecast was racked with sound-mix issues that left even seasoned pros (except for maybe Kelly Clarkson, Lady Gaga, and Jay-Z) sounding distant and tinny, but as someone who saw Adam’s Idols Live tour set twice this summer, the one thing I didn’t expect from the season 8 runner-up was intermittent pitch problems.

Entertainment Weekly

Adam Lambert, Nicole Kidman Are Best Dressed On American Music Awards Red Carpet

Adam Lambert loves to go glam every once in awhile (or always). And the singer’s sleek, chic Elvis throwback look, complete with the King’s hairstyle and a sharp suit, showed Lambert’s cool sense of self. Nicole Kidman, there with husband Keith Urban, represented for the non-musicians and looked absolutely stunning in her pink-and-taupe tiered Balenciaga gown. She was Hollywood in the sea of rock and pop stars. Maybe that wasn’t the point, but it worked.

MTV

Next act for Lambert: holding on to success

Now that he has become the most talked about first runner-up in ‘American Idol’  history, what is Adam Lambert going to do for an encore? Making his second act as impressive as his first would be a great place to start.

With his album ‘For Your Entertainment’  hitting stores today, the San Diego-raised singer is poised to become the next ‘American Idol’  success story. But his fairy-tale rise from musical-theater gypsy to magazine cover boy doesn’t come with a guaranteed happy ending.

SignOnSandiego

So Lady Gaga Was Pretty Great at the AMAs. And Adam Lambert Was Pretty Terrible

We’ve seen this Adam Lambert look before. But somehow his first public performance was, uh, worse than anything we ever saw on Idol. And while we must admit we liked the “guys on leashes” thing, we can’t help but wonder, How did this go so badly? (And no, it wasn’t his decision to kiss a male keyboardist, nor “give head” to a male dancer.)

Queerty.com

Why is Kris Allen Sleeping On a Blowup Mattress?

Though newly minted American Idol winner Kris Allen is basking in the joy of releasing his self-titled debut, there is one thing missing in his life.

“Furniture, ” the singer, who just moved into a new home in Los Angeles with wife Katy, told PEOPLE at the American Music Awards on Sunday.

People.com

Chris Daughtry Appreciates Wife, Life

Chris Daughtry couldn’t be more pleased with his trajectory ‘” personally and professionally ‘” since becoming a finalist on American Idol in 2006.

‘I’m thankful for the fact that I’ve been married nine years, ‘  the No Surprise rocker, 29, who performs with his group Daughtry on the American Music Awards, tells me. ‘I’m thankful for our position in the music realm right now. There’s so much.’ 

OK Magazine

Carrie Underwood Debuts a Shorter Do! Love It or Hate It?

Carrie Underwood’s gold lame Theia dress wasn’t the only thing turning heads on the American Music Awards’ red carpet tonight. Country’s blonde beauty chopped off her famous long locks for a bouncy bob! The new style makes for a refreshing change without taking away from Carrie’s bombshell status. We love the change-up! Tell us: What do you think of Carrie Underwood’s new shoulder-length do?

People

2009 American Music Awards: So far, so good… except Blake Lewis

Seriously, why does Blake Lewis look like a truck driver named Marge who decided it would be fun to get a Kate Gosselin cut after drinking a fifth of whiskey?

So far the American Music Awards red carpet has been (mostly) full of hits. Check out our gallery and judge for yourself.

You can also follow along with our AMA live blog. Highlights so far include every “American Idol” performance, Michael Jackson’s first award of the night and Pete Wentz sans Ashlee “Crazy Eyes” Simpson.

Zap2it

2009 American Music Awards: Grading the performances

Daughtry. Boom! Nothing ignites the excitement of a three-hour award show like a mid-tempo rock ballad from heartland rockers Daughtry. “No, there’s no life after you, ” leader Chris Daughtry sings through gritted teeth, trying to muster some importance out of these tepid lyrics and lightly strummed electric guitars. This type of song is typically saved for the moments during an arena show when a band says, “This one is for the ladies, ” and everyone goes and buys a hot dog. D

Kelly Clarkson. Yes, she had an album this year — don’t forget! — and she sold it well tonight with a solid take on “Already Gone.” Looking glamorous and sounding terrific, Clarkson was a classic throwback, a reminder of a time when “American Idol” didn’t make all artists think they had to over-sing. B+

Carrie Underwood. Was it really just a week ago that this song was performed on the Country Music Assn. Awards? There were fewer nods to Nashville tonight, or maybe it was just too hard to focus on the slide guitar when Underwood was sporting some kind of half-dress, half-lingerie outfit, and the band was nowhere to be seen. This wasn’t about the song; it was about her strutting around onstage. C

Adam Lambert. You wouldn’t have seen this on “American Idol, ” a show that has broadcast its share of monstrosities. Borrowing some of Rihanna’s shoulder spikes and torture devices, Lambert dragged women around onstage and got frisky with dudes, all in what seemed like an overly calculated way to show himself off as some sort of glam-gone-dangerous artist — and to instantly distance Lambert from the family-friendly “Idol” fare. It all would have been forgivable if the song actually had a hook. Lambert has the voice, and a charisma that stands out in today’s pop music landscape, but this was provocation by the numbers. D

LA Times

Adam Lambert shocks ’em

‘American Idol’  sometimes get criticized for cranking out safe, digestible, inoffensive pop stars. But this year’s runner-up, Adam Lambert, did his best to break out of that rap with his ultra-lewd closing performance of ‘For Your Entertainment.’  ABC censors had to quick-cut to an odd aerial shot of the audience when Lambert had a male backup dancer simulate oral sex on him midsong. Parents may be outraged, but thank God for that. We were thinking music was getting a little too stale.

The Envelope

Sun exclusive: Fisher talks about his relationship with Underwood

Mike Fisher made a vow to his girlfriend of almost a year when she wrote a love note to him for all the world to see.

‘I told her that when my CD came out, I’d return the favour, ‘  the Senators centre said with a laugh after Saturday’s 5-3 win over Buffalo.

In an exclusive interview with Sun Media, Fisher also chuckled when asked if he had any immediate plans to propose to country singing superstar Carrie Underwood, who he has been dating since near the start of this year.

‘Who are you, Ellen?’  he joked, referring to Ellen DeGeneres, the popular daytime TV host who last week pressed Underwood with similar questions.

While saying there are no marriage plans in the immediate future, Fisher admitted Underwood is just his second ‘serious girlfriend.’ 

Toronto Sun

Bottom Line: While not entirely a dream, this touring revival of the 1981 musical should score big on the road.

The rest of the parts are handled capably, with “American Idol” runner-up Syesha Mercado a suitably beautiful Deena and Adrienne Warren even better as the unheralded Lorrell. Margaret Hoffman also makes a strong impression in her few scenes as the interloping Dreamette.

Hollywood Reporter

Hopeful Divas Back Where It All Began

As befits a work about the essential art of repackaging in show business, ‘Dreamgirls’  has known several distinct incarnations. First, there was the 1981 Broadway musical. Then came the 2006 movie. And now there is ‘Dreamgirls, ‘  the comic strip, which opened Sunday night at the Apollo Theater in Harlem.

NY Times

Apollo ‘Dreamgirls’ Sparkles With Sequins, Stars: Jeremy Gerard

Nov. 23 (Bloomberg) — ‘Dreamgirls, ‘  revived at the Apollo Theater in New York’s Harlem, introduces a hot new star named Moya Angela as the indomitable heartsick singer, Effie White.

Bennett invented a staging vocabulary that advanced the form while still paying tribute to his predecessors. Robert Longbottom, the revival’s director and choreographer, is a hack; every dance sequence is a cliche, every dramatic scene soap- operatic and lacking imagination.

Bloomberg.com

5 finalists picked for Stadium of Fire

PROVO ‘” Stadium of Fire fans want the 2010 headliner for the popular Fourth of July event to be either David Archuleta, Taylor Swift, Carrie Underwood, Bon Jovi or Eric Dodge.

At least that’s the list that resulted from an online poll that has solicited 15, 000 votes since Oct. 15 to narrow 27 potential performers down to five, prompting the question: Who is Eric Dodge? (For the answer, see www.ericdodge.com.)

Deseret News

Susan Boyle hopes debut album ‘delivers’ for fans

Until a few months ago, Susan Boyle could not have dreamed that this day would arrive.

The Scottish singer, 48, who became an unlikely overnight sensation last spring after wowing Simon Cowell and the YouTube masses with her rendition of I Dreamed a Dream, releases her debut album Monday.

The CD, which shares its title with that song, has set a global record for preorders at Amazon. But some wonder whether the raw but powerful voice that enabled Boyle to achieve fame will be enough to sustain a career, even in the short term.

USA today

Ralit: Champs crowned on ‘Runway’ and ‘ANTM, ‘ righteous ousters on ‘Top Chef’ and ‘SYTYCD, ‘ and bonus Kris Allen!

The 2009 reality TV season is zooming toward its inevitable end ‘” the sounds of ‘I’ll Be Home for Christmas’  at the local pharmacy tell me it is so ‘” but that just means it’s the most wonderful time of the year for Ralit*. Righteous winners were crowned on America’s Next Top Model and Project Runway. Hugh Hefner committed an act of unintentional sabotage on Dancing With the Stars. The spirits of Channing Tatum and Carol Channing were invoked (probably for the last time) on So You Think You Can Dance. And someone totally awesome (named Jennifer) rallied despite weird Da Vinci Code shenanigans on Top Chef. All that plus BONUS INTERVIEW FOOTAGE WITH KRIS ALLEN!

Popwatch

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379 Comments

  1. I said this in the other thread but can’t delete it

    Asked whether the sexual moves were rehearsed, Lambert said it was “in the moment.”

    So the kiss and the simulated oral sex weren’t planned? So Adam feels like he can just grab someone and force himself on them??!? Under NO circumstances is that okay! This isn’t about fucking Adam Lambert and his damn ego, this is about how it is NEVER okay to force yourself upon someone like that.

  2. Slezak just tweeted that his coworker at EW, Ken Tucker, has a different, quite positive take on Adam’s performance. I really liked this review, and think Adam would concur with a lot of these sentiments:

    EWMichaelSlezak Hated my take on Adam Lambert’s AMA set? http://bit.ly/4nONYl Then you should see what my colleague @kentucker sez: http://bit.ly/5cCpAY

    ETA: Oops, just noticed MJ already had it listed in the headlines above. As usual, I’m way too slow :-)

  3. Asked whether the sexual moves were rehearsed, Lambert said it was ‘in the moment.’ 

    So much for the “producers saw rehearsals, they knew what was coming” theory. Oh, to have seen their faces. (And while I find that funny, I haven’t changed my mind – too much vulgar, not enough vocal).

    But seeing David Cook on my TV this morning was a nice treat!

  4. Maybe the country is becoming more tolerant because I’ve seen more articles of Jennifer Lopez’s fall than Adam’s peformance. lol

    Really? IDK – I think the top stor(ies) to come out of the AMAs were easily:

    * Adam
    * Taylor beating MJ

  5. I was a little surprised to read relatively good reviews from the WSJ or RS at first considering how dreadfull I thought the performance was, so I am relieved after reading the AJC, USA today, LA times, EW.com and others that I didn’t dream last night.

    More importantly, even tough it was a bad beginning of the week, hopefully Adam will recover in time for his next gigs, he still can turn this around but what a wasted opportunity…

  6. Adam fan here. I like the “pushing the envelope thing”… and couldn’t care less if Conservative America has a problem with the sexual antics. He’s right, there’s a double standard… and it’s getting tired.

    However, vocally, it really wasn’t a good performance. He’ll recover, no doubt about it. But it wasn’t his finest moment, vocally.

    I don’t know if he had his keyboard player’s consent to kiss. If it wasn’t ok’d by the guy up front, then I agree that Adam shouldn’t have done it. That said, the dude certainly wasn’t objecting, that I could see.

  7. good updates for Kris , not so fo Adam. Free falling in HAC.

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  8. But seeing David Cook on my TV this morning was a nice treat!

    Yep! I only wished he could have done the whole song. I also wondered why was Neal like in the dark? They didn’t show him once.

  9. But seeing David Cook on my TV this morning was a nice treat!

    Anyone have a vid, I totally missed it.

  10. I don’t know if he had his keyboard player’s consent to kiss. If it wasn’t ok’d by the guy up front, then I agree that Adam shouldn’t have done it. That said, the dude certainly wasn’t objecting, that I could see.

    This is what Tommy tweeted last night:

    Thanks SOO much to everyone that watched!!!! “Rock n Roll is a prostitute…it should be tartted up” ;-)

    And this is what Adam said in RS:

    ‘He just believes in the spirit of rock & roll, as do I,’  said Lambert. ‘He’s a really cool open guy. There’s a quote from the movie Velvet Goldmine that we both get a kick out of: ‘Rock & roll is a prostitute ‘” it should be tarted up.’ He believes in that the same way I do.’ 

    So they seem to be on the same page.

  11. I don’t buy his application of “double standard” to this situation. I’ve never seen a woman be so suggestive and over the top while on stage. And the Madonna/Britney kiss wasn’t even in the same league as his makeout session was.

    What’s really getting tired is the idea that “middle/conservative” America is somehow at fault for not wanting to see performances like his on TV. Simulated sex acts in this medium don’t always get to be covered by the label “artistic expression”…sometime tacky is just tacky.

  12. I have to believe the good reviews are of The Emperor’s New Clothes variety. How do you call somebody the 2nd coming of Rock and then say, oh never mind he sucked? I have to believe their backpedaling will be a bit more subtle and self serving.

  13. Really? IDK ‘“ I think the top stor(ies) to come out of the AMAs were easily:

    * Adam
    * Taylor beating MJ

    I just meant that I’m reading a lot of positive articles too regarding Adam’s performance. Its not all negative. I find more negative among those who follow Idol moreso than those that don’t. Thats all I meant. The performance got mixed reviews.

  14. I think alot of this would be moot points if Adam had sung well…..like he did on Whole Lotta Love. But he didn’t, so the performance became more about the overt sexuality without the vocals to back it up. In that respect, it was mediocre and derivative, like many of the performances last night: singer with a bunch of back up dancers.

  15. [b-quote]Asked whether the sexual moves were rehearsed, Lambert said it was ‘in the moment.’ [/b-quote]
    Except that the AP article about the rehearsal commented about the crotch-in-the-face moment… so not so much “in the moment” for that one.

  16. Don’t know where I stand on the “wasn’t planned” issue. On the one hand, I agree about not forcing yourself on someone, on the other hand:

    a) the fact that the Britney/Madonna kiss was planned and rehearsed totally robs it of anything interesting artistically,

    b) I imagine that the number of times one performer has spontaneously kissed another are too many to count,

    c) it’s very striking how different the reaction is to this compared to the Adam and Allison embrace at the end of Slow Ride. Granted that was tamer, as befitting her age and the tamer performance in general.

    But the spontaneity is a big part of what made it mean something. As part of a performance, it’s similar to spontaneous riffing or dance moves.

  17. For some reason I can’t edit. But I stand corrected about the R&K videos. Sorry, hehe.

  18. I think that Adam was probably very nervous last night. After all, David Cook said he was so nervous before appearing on SNL that he said he had dry heaves. I’m glad that David was able to go on to perform two songs well. I’m sure Lambert will rebound from what some think was a less than stellar performance.

  19. Two quick things:

    1. Is it possible that the performance and vocals played out better live than on TV?

    2. I want my “Edgy. . . with a smile” Adam back.

  20. I think alot of this would be moot points if Adam had sung well’ ¦..like he did on Whole Lotta Love. But he didn’t, so the performance became more about the overt sexuality without the vocals to back it up. In that respect, it was mediocre and derivative, like many of the performances last night: singer with a bunch of back up dancers.

    Hmmm…. I wonder?

    You are definitely right about oen thing. Most of the performances last night sucked. I only liked 2…

  21. Just to want my co-Adam fans that I’m still here to support the guy but give me few days to recover. Honestly, my feeling right now is not better than when he lost at the finale. Now that he got the attention, he should start grabbing the inquisitve minds about his versatility and mad vocals.

  22. Adam was honest about his pitchiness:

    Adam on Twitter
    view latest news

    1 hour 26 min ago
    @PerezHilton but I had a blast and am looking forward to my upcoming performances.
    1 hour 27 min ago
    @PerezHilton Thank you for the support. It WAS a bit pitchy. Don’t know what was goin on with the sound. Same thing always went down on idol

  23. Is it possible that the performance and vocals played out better live than on TV?

    It might have, but the large audience watching TV didn’t see it so it doesn’t help things.

  24. LoveContinuum
    11/23/2009 at 11:43 am

    Adam fan here. I like the ‘pushing the envelope thing’ ’ ¦ and couldn’t care less if Conservative America has a problem with the sexual antics. He’s right, there’s a double standard’ ¦ and it’s getting tired.

    However, vocally, it really wasn’t a good performance. He’ll recover, no doubt about it. But it wasn’t his finest moment, vocally.

    I agree 100%. As for whether the kiss was planned…I don’t think it was. However, I figure that Adam and Tommy have at least discussed how “interactive” Tommy was willing to be at some point, maybe during the audition process it would make sense to do that.

  25. “BOYLE-ING OVER? Steve Barnett and his Team Columbia may have the season’s big surprise record on their hands with Susan Boyle’s I Dreamed a Dream, as preorder reports from Amazon and QVC are shaping up to catapult first-week sales into the 3-400k range. What will tomorrow’s retail picture look like? Stay tuned to this Bat channel for all the scuttlebutt. (11/23a)”

    From HDD

    I guess the bad economy and all those other excuses aren’t affecting SuBo’s sales.

  26. zuper

    1. No. I was at the AMAs last night and Adam was off his game last night. The sound mix didn’t help (the mix was wonky all show), but he was off pitch for much of the song. The people sitting around me — none of whom were Adam fans — didn’t seem impressed — I got a couple of WTF type comments from a couple of them. And the audience response was ok, but not close to the level of the response for Lady Gaga, or Jay-Z/Alicia Keys, or Whitney Houston, or Kelly Clarkson.

  27. Well, Adam says the kiss wasn’t planned, so I guess I have to believe him. But, I predicted 2 weeks ago that he’d kiss a guy onstage. I actually thought he’d kiss one of his female dancers as well.

  28. Last night Perez Hilton and Adam looked like freck and frack.

    Like two Jedward wannabees.

    Sorry but only John and Edward can pull that look off and look cute.

  29. So they seem to be on the same page.

    Thanks, universal, I wasn’t sure. If the dude was cool with it, then rock on!!! :-)

  30. I think Adam did himself a disservice last night, but if that’s the way he wants to re-introduce himself to America, that’s his choice. I would have been much happier if he’d cut a lot of the nonsense and just sung the song well. For many, that was the first time they heard the song, and it sure didn’t create a good impression – if they could even understand what the heck was being said.

    Honestly though, I’m getting tired of all the overproduction and insistence on pyrotechnics (literally) used when someone wants to sing a song. The two performances that I thought really stood out last night were Kelly’s and Alicia Keys and Jay-Z. Both of them really affected me. For the first time ever, I actually bought a Jay-Z song this morning! (Yes, MJ – through here! :) Wouldn’t do it any other way.) Now, I would think that any singer would want to cause that reaction, wouldn’t they? But the production on those two songs were as simple and straightforward as could be. I do wish that Kelly would hire a new hairdresser however!

  31. My local radio talked about Adam this morning and loved it, thought it was genius.

  32. “My local radio talked about Adam this morning and loved it, thought it was genius.”

    So did mine…and they have NEVER talked about Adam before as far as I know…now if they’ll only play his music!!

  33. Performing ‘Declaration’  : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG3Yd1zHFE

    I love how, after the song ends, David and the guys start boogeying again and there’s Kelly bopping along in her wedding gown … or whatever that bit of meringue was she had on. (Thank you “Four Weddings and a Funeral” for that classic imagery.)

  34. David looked and sounded great on Regis & Kelly. Thanks for posting video so quickly, jenipop! :)

  35. ‘BOYLE-ING OVER? Steve Barnett and his Team Columbia may have the season’s big surprise record on their hands with Susan Boyle’s I Dreamed a Dream, as preorder reports from Amazon and QVC are shaping up to catapult first-week sales into the 3-400k range. What will tomorrow’s retail picture look like? Stay tuned to this Bat channel for all the scuttlebutt. (11/23a)’ 

    From HDD

    I guess the bad economy and all those other excuses aren’t affecting SuBo’s sales.

    I think maybe her persona and singing are the equivalent of comfort food. Wouldn’t surprise me that she’d sell *less* in good economic times, actually.

  36. Am watching AMA now at local tv.. After reading the neg responds I’ve been avoiding youtube all day. Adam is on in 15 mnts, Oy I’m skeered!

  37. I don’t understand the ‘double standard’ argument. I’ve not seen anyone anywhere defending a hetero or a female simulating oral sex or feeling up crotches on network TV. It’s not the kiss that most people found offensive, it’s the inappropriate nature of the performance on network.
    My tweens love music and I let them stay up to watch (10:00 here) I’m so glad that I anticipated Adam’s performance would be vulgar and sent them to bed first.

  38. I just meant that I’m reading a lot of positive articles too regarding Adam’s performance. Its not all negative. I find more negative among those who follow Idol moreso than those that don’t. Thats all I meant. The performance got mixed reviews.

    ITA – a lot of the online reviews are mixed. Some loved it, some hated it – and I think Ken Tucker’s take was great, and probably spot on as to what Adam was attempting.

  39. AMA ratings were highest since 2002.

    I have no doubt that SuBo is going to crush everything in her wake….and be a trivial pursuit question in a year.

  40. on a day full of AMAs talk, i’m finding this totally random headline adorable:

    Why is Kris Allen Sleeping On a Blowup Mattress?

  41. “Meanwhile, ABC got a taste of ‘Idol’  on its airwaves leveraging Ryan Seacrest for double duty to both introduce Adam Lambert and provide his post performance chat. Lambert’s envelope-pushing performance — including simulated oral sex, coming out of a closet door, and kissing a male performer — drew the only applause of the night from the journalists backstage.”

    http://www.thewrap.com/ind-column/what-west-coast-missed-amas-10592

  42. Ahh, cookie in the morning. It’s like slipping into the flannel pajamas and ugg slippers after spending the day frolicking in the snow. Gorgeous as always. Love him!!

  43. RE: Not giving a crap what a portion of the population thinks…

    1. They weren’t going to buy his album in the first place.

    2. We’ll only know if the performance hurt him when the sales are in.

    What blows my mind is that this country was founded on the principle of freedom. But it’s only free if you’re hetero. And censorship? WTF is up with that?? Seriously. Today, Adam is being accused of hypocrisy. The REAL hypocrisy can be found amongst the so-called “real Americans” who want THEIR freedoms preserved, but want to tell OTHERS how to live their lives, what they can do on an awards show, who they can kiss, etc etc.

    Urgh.

  44. What were the ratings for the AMA? I checked iTunes and am surprised to see that most of the songs performed didn’t get the huge bumps that the CMAs provided. I mean the country song of the year went top 10 on iTunes pretty fast. Lots of country artists got great sales.

    Of course, certain songs done last night like Gaga’s tun, Empire State of Mind are already big hits. It looks like Alicia Keyes got the best bump for a brand new song. She’s heading to top 20 on iTunes.

  45. I also wondered why was Neal like in the dark? They didn’t show him once.

    I know, I kept thinking- show Neal! It was weird. Maybe he skeered them. They haven’t realized yet that he’s adorable (sorry, Neal). They did show Andy’s pretty Prell hair flying around, and the camera always loves Kyle, and then Monty who I want to *smish*. And lots of beautiful up close David… so I just sat in my chair and grinned. Like a dork. Hee.

    I love how, after the song ends, David and the guys start boogeying again and there’s Kelly bopping along in her wedding gown ‘ ¦ or whatever that bit of meringue was she had on.

    I thought that was so cute! And I have to mention as an aside, I didn’t realize Kelly was that *buff* – she looks amazing.

  46. Eh, much ado about nothing. Adam did his thing and you know what? Somehow he upstaged everyone else.

    In other news, I got an email that Jason Castro will be at Shubas in Chicago on Feb 4th! Yay! It’s actually in the city (unlike the mall) and a well respected music venue. Can’t wait! Seems like his label is treating him as a new artist, which is awesome.

  47. Whether or not Adam’s performance was appropriate or not, the bottom line is his vocal performance was horrible and I do not like the song. This might be the reason radio stations haven’t played FYE all that much. I liked Adam on idol and think he has potential, but I don’t think that performance last night will win him new fans. He won’t be a big success if he doesn’t impress new fans.

  48. Today, Adam is being accused of hypocrisy. The REAL hypocrisy can be found amongst the so-called ‘real Americans’  who want THEIR freedoms preserved, but want to tell OTHERS how to live their lives, what they can do on an awards show, who they can kiss, etc etc.

    He can kiss whoever he wants. But simulated blow jobs do NOT belong on network TV in my opinion. Not without an explicit warning, anyway. Censoring out the kiss, yes, that would’ve been hypocrisy – it’s a kiss. Censoring out the simulated blow job gets no complaints from me, and it has NOTHING to do with Adam being gay. And it is starting to piss me off that if you have a problem with that performance, which I did NOT like, that you are a hater or homophobic. Aaargh.

    Today, Adam is being accused of hypocrisy.

    The accusations of hypocrisy come from him saying he doesn’t want this to be about his sexuality but about the music… and then doing a performance that is *all* about sex. Do I think he’s a hypocrite? Nah, but I think he’s being a bit of a brat, lol.

  49. The Kiss “Wasn’t planned” & “was in the moment”
    Sorry, don’t buy it! With all that was going through his mind, the choreography, singing the song, trippping on stage infront of million viewers etc, he came up to his “straight” keyboardist and thought, mmmh I should kiss him now…

    AMA producers & the show’s director may not have known about the kiss but Adam and his “straight” keyboardist certainly knew it was gonna happen.

    (Don’t get me wrong, I like Adam. I’m just dissapointed in him RN. I feel that maybe all this hype has gone to his head and he’s lost focus.)

  50. I don’t know why, but I just had a powerful sense of deja vu reading PJ’s last comment. Weird.

  51. Lambert’s envelope-pushing performance ‘” including simulated oral sex, coming out of a closet door, and kissing a male performer ‘” drew the only applause of the night from the journalists backstage.’ 

    Says a lot about journalists.

  52. What blows my mind is that this country was founded on the principle of freedom.

    yeah, we have the freedom to dislike something also. I was so turned off by his performance yesterday. I’m so tired of the sex obsessed artists whoever they are.

  53. My only comment on Adam and his AI performance is that he gave a big fucking finger to American Idol and all its over invested judgmental viewers who are so stuck in finding the next Frank Sinatra or Celine Dione that they wouldn’t know a good entertainer from a circus clown.

    So, everyone have fun watching David Cook perform his New Year’s eve performance in front of the home town crowd at Perchanga where the crossroads of Sun City and Lawrence Welk spend their New Years Eve. And, they will get to watch David Archuletta light up the Christmas skies as he sings Christmas Carols that are also directed at the Geriatric set. And after last night….Carrie and Daughtry and Kelly just emphasized how bland and predictable they really are. Watching paint dry is a lot more fun that that. And now Kris gets to take his rightful place amongst the boring and stiff and cookie cutter crap that comes out of American Idol.

    Thanks be that at least one individual has admitted that he “used” American Idol and is smart enough to give it the heave-ho that stupid kareoke show deserves!!

  54. Thanks for the DCook videos. He looked and sounded fantastic. That was a sort version of the song, but it was great.

    I love how, after the song ends, David and the guys start boogeying again and there’s Kelly bopping along in her wedding gown

    LOL Me too

  55. Thanks be that at least one individual has admitted that he ‘used’  American Idol and is smart enough to give it the heave-ho that stupid kareoke show deserves!!

    Oh, yeah, he’ll show everybody! I guess he’ll decline performing on Idol in future seasons too since he’s so much better than that stupid karaoke show!

    In reality, I seriously doubt Adam is quite that stupid or self-destructive (last night’s performance notwithstanding).

  56. First of all, let me say that I am a HUGE Adam fan. Love him, love him, love him. But…I am actually quite taken aback by any positive press that Adam is getting this morning–not because of the sexual stuff, but a) because his vocals were so pitchy and erratic and b) his performance of the choreography was really sub-par. He seemed really uncomfortable on stage, certainly a first from all that I have seen of Adam, and I think I’ve seen it all as far as public performances available on the internet. I was definitely NOT entertained. It was almost painful to watch. Way too ambitious a goal for Adam to pull off right out the gate on national TV.

    What was up with the anger? His face at the end of the performance was just ugly with anger. It felt to me like he was mad at himself. Or, the pressure of it all finally got to him and he vented.

    The problem I have with the press is that it SHOULD be “all about the music”, as Adam loves to say. The press seems to focus on the merits of the shock value of the performance. But where were the killer vocals? THAT’s what is bugging the hell out of me today, as I look back, yet again on the performance. The vocal gymnastics at the end seemed like the proverbial “Hail Mary!” move to try to save the mess he made out of the rest of the song.

    I personally didn’t like the OTT sexuality of the performance. I felt it could have stopped just a bit shy of where it did and had a much bigger impact. Could have been shocking without being vulgar. Just my opinion there.

    The bottom line….IT SUCKED BIG TIME ON THE VOCALS! That is my biggest disappointment.

    If I hear Adam say one more time that “if you don’t “get it”, then maybe my music isn’t for you” I think I’m going to scream! If he wants to have a long career, he has to sell his music. To my ears, he is one of the best vocalists I have heard in my lifetime. IMHO using a huge platform like the AMA’s to showcase his voice, he could have shot to #1 everywhere instantly. Instead, it’s all about the politics, little about the music. He will get press, but will this sell records and ensure longevity? Doubtful.

  57. Censoring out the simulated blow job gets no complaints from me

    I think the key word here is simulated. We watch simulated killing, simulated rape, simulated torture on prime time TV all the time and no one’s eyebrows are raised. But a face in a fully clothed crotch is X rated. Gee, I sure long for the days where rock stars were biting the heads of live small animals. I definitely could find more to support in PETA’s outrage.

  58. My only comment on Adam and his AI performance is that he gave a big fucking finger to American Idol and all its over invested judgmental viewers who are so stuck in finding the next Frank Sinatra or Celine Dione that they wouldn’t know a good entertainer from a circus clown.

    So, everyone have fun watching David Cook perform his New Year’s eve performance in front of the home town crowd at Perchanga where the crossroads of Sun City and Lawrence Welk spend their New Years Eve. And, they will get to watch David Archuletta light up the Christmas skies as he sings Christmas Carols that are also directed at the Geriatric set. And after last night’ ¦.Carrie and Daughtry and Kelly just emphasized how bland and predictable they really are. Watching paint dry is a lot more fun that that. And now Kris gets to take his rightful place amongst the boring and stiff and cookie cutter crap that comes out of American Idol.

    LMAO
    Too bad that so many people criticizing that performance are not American Idol viewers and have nothing to do with American Idol. Too bad radio, which has nothing to do with American Idol, still refuses to play that song. Or that the song didn’t even jump that much on Itunes, considering it’s album release day and all. Too bad, and maybe that theory would make more sense.

  59. i’m moving this here from another thread:

    did you guys see kris’s tweet to david cook. kinda cool they are always tweeting each other.

    thedavidcook
    Give ’em hell, @krisallen
    about 21 hours ago from mobile web

    KrisAllen
    @thedavidcook will do.
    about 20 hours ago from Echofon

    was this about the AMAs? or about the new recording? or yet another ice shift adventure?

  60. Wanna bet is Wadaya want from me?

    It is — he already told RS that he was doing WWFM on Letterman — and I’m sure on GMA, Ellen, etc, as well.

  61. And it is starting to piss me off that if you have a problem with that performance, which I did NOT like, that you are a hater or homophobic.

    I used neither of those words.

    we have the freedom to dislike something also.

    Absolutely. And you have the freedom to use your remote.

  62. Ooh – almost forgot about David Cook on Regis & Kelly! Thanks for those who posted the links since I’m at work now. Love seeing him and his band in any way, shape or form.

  63. Just watched the performance. I don’t like the kissing and the ‘simulated’ fellatio there. Still love Adam,but he was so off key, it’s even worse than NoBo! But like michelle collins said ‘Have you tried singing while someone face is on your crocth?’ LOL

  64. I don’t know why, but I just had a powerful sense of deja vu reading PJ’s last comment. Weird.

    Hee. Am I that repetetive? I don’t even post that much anymore. :-)

  65. Well never know the answer to this for sure (unless it happens on the next awards show)… but if the face-in-the-crotch move had been done by a male performer to a female dancer… what do you think the reaction would have been? Does it matter who the male performer was or the genre of the music? For example, if a rapper had done it, would it be ‘ho hum’ that’s rap music for you’? Or maybe… ‘damn that rap music for once again dehumanizing women’? I don’t know. But if people think that it would be accepted, then yes there is a double standard going on.

    What if it had been a female singer and a male dancer?

    Like I said, we’ll never know for sure… but because we don’t have any point of reference about reactions to other configurations of this particular move I don’t know if you can say with certainty that it is or isn’t some form of discrimination.

  66. So, everyone have fun watching David Cook perform his New Year’s eve performance in front of the home town crowd at Perchanga where the crossroads of Sun City and Lawrence Welk spend their New Years Eve. And, they will get to watch David Archuletta light up the Christmas skies as he sings Christmas Carols that are also directed at the Geriatric set. And after last night’ ¦.Carrie and Daughtry and Kelly just emphasized how bland and predictable they really are. Watching paint dry is a lot more fun that that. And now Kris gets to take his rightful place amongst the boring and stiff and cookie cutter crap that comes out of American Idol.

    Or maybe Adam just sucked last night, and the other Idols don’t even have to be part of the conversation. Perhaps its not any more complicated than… he blew chunks. It happens.No need to insult the rest of the world, you know? Man up.

  67. I’ve been checking around on other sites for comments about Adam’s performance last night and have run into something unexpected: some people are saying they are liking it on repeated viewings after getting past the shock factor. One was not even an Adam fan before, but now says she is starting to see him differently. Another said she thought it was “genius” on a par with RoF. Strange! I am a fan who didn’t like his performance at all and figured nobody else would either. Of course, I haven’t been brave enough to go back and watch it again. :D

  68. Or maybe Adam just sucked last night, and the other Idols don’t even have to be part of the conversation. Perhaps its not any more complicated than’ ¦ he blew chunks. It happens.No need to insult the rest of the world, you know? Man up.

    Yeah, I’m a little mystified what that performance and any criticism of it had to do with any other Idol.

    I don’t think he’d turn down album sales like bland Carrie, bland Daughtry, and bland Kelly, lol.

  69. I guess I’ll have to find some verison that is objectionable since I haven’t found one yet.

  70. Thanks be that at least one individual has admitted that he ‘used’  American Idol and is smart enough to give it the heave-ho that stupid kareoke show deserves!!

    Adam is quite the rebel lol.
    It’s not like he is being promoted by a major label, recording with the most mainstream songwritters/producers in the business and performing in the pimp spot at what is essentially an event designed to promote the music businness.

    I guess he will refuse to perform in that awfull “karaoke” show that launched him too.

  71. I haven’t been brave enough to go back and watch it again.

    I can’t. lol The sound was just too far off last night to be enjoyable for me. I could have even handled the pitchy parts if the sound control hadn’t kept oscillating from one extreme to the other. Maybe I’ll watch it with the sound off and play the album version.

  72. Kelly seems to have gotten a nice bump from the AMA. AG is now #15 on iTunes. Anyone know where it was before the show began?

  73. The Kiss ‘Wasn’t planned’  & ‘was in the moment’  Sorry, don’t buy it! With all that was going through his mind, the choreography, singing the song, trippping on stage infront of million viewers etc, he came up to his ‘straight’  keyboardist and thought, mmmh I should kiss him now’ ¦

    I wonder if they are saying it was spontaneous so that ABC doesn’t get fined? Or would they get fined anyway?

    Thanks be that at least one individual has admitted that he ‘used’  American Idol and is smart enough to give it the heave-ho that stupid kareoke show deserves!!

    Other than helping to get Adam this opportunity that so many young artists would kill for, I don’t think last night’s performance had much to do with Idol. If Adam’s giving the heave-ho to Idol, then he must be doing the same to his management (Simon Fuller) who own Idol and have a stake in its brand.

    And after last night’ ¦.Carrie and Daughtry and Kelly just emphasized how bland and predictable they really are. Watching paint dry is a lot more fun that that.

    Apparently, watching paint dry is a lot more successful than Adam is right now. I don’t see Fuller crying in his cups over Carrie or Daughtry.

  74. Why do I have a feeling I’m in some bad attempt at an Idol Reeces Cup parody?

    “You got your Daughtry in my Lambert!”
    “You got your Lambert in my Daughtry!”

    Wait . . . .that came out wrong

  75. ‘You got your Daughtry in my Lambert!’ 
    ‘You got your Lambert in my Daughtry!’ 

    Wait . . . .that came out wrong

    LMAO.

    About Adam’s performance. Well it was shocking. I say that as a high schooler. People say “Kids see this all the time in schools”. No they don’t. At least not in mine. It was highly inappropriate.

  76. Absolutely. And you have the freedom to use your remote.

    I got to see it before I could like it or not, right?
    And yes next time, i won’t be watching

  77. Adam is such a brat. I don’t understand how you guys can remain his fans after all his comments. He is so annoying, full of himself, and honestly, stupid. he like, implies that if you don’t like his performance you are “sad” or close-minded, you don’t “get it”, and you discriminate? Like, get over yourself Adam. It was a terrible performance. You talk about not wanting to be labeled as just a gay man, but you go out of your way to scream in people’s face that you’re gay.. You want it to be about the music, but you sing terribly and focus more on gyrating, assaulting people, and flipping of the audience. and yes, if Tommy didn’t sign off on that kiss, that is assault. If Adam was a straight man and he grabbed a woman that forcefully without her consent, all hell would break loose. So you’re right Adam, there is discrimination. As I said before, him being gay and “breaking barriers” or whatever doesn’t give him carte blanche to behave lewdly then blame other people when others don’t like it. How can you guys stand to support a guy that does iffy stuff that not everyone likes, then he like, calls into question your taste? You don’t “get it.” It’s avante garde, high fashion.. good lord adam get over yourself! Sheesh, he didn’t even take the blame for his pitchy performance. He doesn’t responsibility for ANYTHING, and instead, turns it on other people. Children do that, Adam.

    He is just.. fake.. everything about him is contrived.. poorly executed.. then he is a snob about it.

  78. Kelly seems to have gotten a nice bump from the AMA. AG is now #15 on iTunes. Anyone know where it was before the show began?

    It was at 28 before the show I think (dv posted about it last night)

  79. Mary102,
    Can’t believe he has been named best dressed male on Red Carpet- first of many best dressed lists!!!

    Gotta remind myself that enews does awards best & worst dressed, he was on the last best dressed red carpet

  80. The Kiss ‘Wasn’t planned’  & ‘was in the moment’  Sorry, don’t buy it! With all that was going through his mind, the choreography, singing the song, trippping on stage infront of million viewers etc, he came up to his ‘straight’  keyboardist and thought, mmmh I should kiss him now’ ¦

    I wonder if they are saying it was spontaneous so that ABC doesn’t get fined? Or would they get fined anyway?

    I’m inclined to think it was planned to some degree, at least between Adam and the band, but that ABC may not have known about it. And it may not have ever been rehearsed per se.

  81. I haven’t been brave enough to go back and watch it again.

    I can’t. lol The sound was just too far off last night to be enjoyable for me. I could have even handled the pitchy parts if the sound control hadn’t kept oscillating from one extreme to the other. Maybe I’ll watch it with the sound off and play the album version.

    Yep. In going back and watching it 3x, I know that he can do whatever the hell he wants on stage if his VOCALS KILL. And they didn’t. Blame it on whatever you want, he was off-key 3/4 of the time. He NEVER was on Idol, NEVER, even when the background singer sucked on Crazy. And that is what disappointed me so much. I might not go to his Tour, but I want everyone to know what a superlative singer he is. And he just wasn’t last night, and it was a show about MUSIC (hence, the name AMA). I bet he does 100x better on GMA and Letterman; just sing, dammit, Adam, and deal with theatrics later. It’s not about karaoke, it’s about singing your face off, and he didn’t, and I’m very sad about that, b/c I want ppl to buy his album.

    I am still trying to figure out if I got everything I need off AO/iTunes. Is there just one download left on AO or more? I think I got it all off iTunes.

    Oh, and I thought Carrie, Kelly, and Daughtry NAILED it last night, so 100 percent good on them.

  82. Kelly seems to have gotten a nice bump from the AMA. AG is now #15 on iTunes. Anyone know where it was before the show began?

    #28

    FYE (single) #58, last night it was #60.

    Carrie CC was #20 last night, now #19.

  83. Did y’all hear Rihanna? JLo? Janet? Shakira? Whitney? Now they truly sucked moosecock.

  84. Adam is such a brat. I don’t understand how you guys can remain his fans after all his comments. He is so annoying, full of himself, and honestly, stupid. he like, implies that if you don’t like his performance you are ‘sad’  or close-minded, you don’t ‘get it’ , and you discriminate? Like, get over yourself Adam. It was a terrible performance. You talk about not wanting to be labeled as just a gay man, but you go out of your way to scream in people’s face that you’re gay..

    Oh, alison, you know, some of us don’t see much in Anoop either, but we don’t go bashing him left and right, and wondering what his fans see in him. Geez louise.

    And as for the sexuality issue, Adam has never shied away from the sexual stuff – he’s very open about that. What he doesn’t like is being put in a box, or easily labelled as “just gay” and only able to do “specific, predefined things” as someone who is gay. To him, as he’s repeatedly said, sexual expression is a very open, ambiguous, free idea that can and should be expressed in any number of ways, regardless of sexual orientation or labels.

  85. I wonder if they are saying it was spontaneous so that ABC doesn’t get fined? Or would they get fined anyway?

    I don’t think the FCC will fine ABC over that. Adam didn’t do anything last night that I haven’t seen on TV before. Same sex kissing has been done in a number of TV dramas. FCC fines usually come because of “skin” exposure or language. And peeps are getting away with much more in the language area now than they could earlier.

    Of course, I guess the guy Adam kissed could sue if he hadn’t agreed to it in advance.

  86. Did y’all hear Rihanna? JLo? Janet? Shakira? Whitney? Now they truly sucked moosecock

    I didn’t think Rihanna was that bad. Shakira on the hand was horrible IMO. Her song doesn’t even sound like a song. It’s like bad rappin’. Whitney’s voice has been ruined by drugs. JLo was so bad it was funny. And Janet, well she is riding on her brother’s coattails, YMMV.

  87. does anyone know how to get the last new download off AO-did anyone get an email about it?

    Luv Down the Rabbit Hole BTW!!!

  88. Greenday was the only one I was liking last night, but even then the sound wasn’t the greatest. Iono, it was like for the entire night a portion of the music was missing, leaving all the performances, well, hollow.

  89. Somebody is finally talking about Adam’s vocal performance instead of the OTT shock value acts. At least someone is calling him out on it.

    Which is what he should be called out on, well I thought the rest of it was too crass and not edgy. Just OTT for the sake of being OTT. And saying it was the sound? Dude, got nervous and screwed up. I know it’s hard to admit such a thing, but that’s what happened and no, it didn’t happen on Idol.

    What a shame for him to have the opportunity and to blow it so badly. I do think it could be a career ending move. His sales weren’t hot shakes before and his shot to get outside the bubble will have the opposite effect because his vocals were off and his act was too nasty and wasn’t performed well. Add to that his petulance/defensiveness about it the next day and it’s creating tons of negative publicity, backlash and setting his image up with people who didn’t know of him, as all negative things.

    Such a shame. I think he’s managed to blow it. Which last night aside, I do think he’s talented, but he clearly despite all this protestations otherwise, wasn’t ready for the pressure.

    Totally going to Blake 2.0, only on steroids.

    Le sigh.

  90. He is just.. fake.. everything about him is contrived.. poorly executed.. then he is a snob about it.

    In fact, just the opposite is true. What exactly were people expecting? We knew about his outlandish performances before AI even began. People were buzzing about Crazy and its outrageousness as soon as his name came up as having gone through to Hollywood. Unlike the typical fake and contrived Idol wannabe, Adam hasn’t disowned who he was before Idol for stardom. He is being clear. He’s the same person he was before as he is after. He’s interested in giving the same kind of performance as he was then and singing the same music. Sorry if Idol sanitization didn’t work. But really, an openly, outrageously gay man was never going to sell to the majority of Idol’s audience anyway. If he could, Adam would have won. So, to me, it seems Adam’s career is right on track.

  91. Yep. In going back and watching it 3x, I know that he can do whatever the hell he wants on stage if his VOCALS KILL. And they didn’t. Blame it on whatever you want, he was off-key 3/4 of the time. He NEVER was on Idol, NEVER, even when the background singer sucked on Crazy.

    Nah, I love Adam, consider him one of the best vocalists ever on AI, and suprememly gifted, etc. But he has messed up many times before – on AI, on the tour (I have the recordings to prove it). All of this is to say 2 things:

    1. He’s human – they’re all pitchy (Kris during Ford “Crazy”, among others, they’re ALL pitchy)

    2. He usually works at a higher level of difficulty than many other singers. Not that this gets him off the hook, but when you do those kinds of acrobatics, vocally, it is often harder to control.

  92. Adam is such a brat. I don’t understand how you guys can remain his fans after all his comments. He is so annoying, full of himself, and honestly, stupid. he like, implies that if you don’t like his performance you are ‘sad’  or close-minded, you don’t ‘get it’ , and you discriminate? Like, get over yourself Adam. It was a terrible performance

    Alison, am so with you on this. He lacks judgment and sadly I think he will stick to his position for the sake of being right instead of looking at it for what it is

  93. Logo Channel interview with Kris has been posted.

    Aw, that was cute. He’s adorable… I love his dismay that his hairy feet are on the internet… and the fact that the pic was posted on there at that same moment. lol.

    What about the uber-adorable champ Kris Allen??

    He *is* uber-adorable!

  94. So, everyone have fun watching David Cook perform his New Year’s eve performance in front of the home town crowd at Perchanga where the crossroads of Sun City and Lawrence Welk spend their New Years Eve. And, they will get to watch David Archuletta light up the Christmas skies as he sings Christmas Carols that are also directed at the Geriatric set. And after last night’ ¦.Carrie and Daughtry and Kelly just emphasized how bland and predictable they really are. Watching paint dry is a lot more fun that that. And now Kris gets to take his rightful place amongst the boring and stiff and cookie cutter crap that comes out of American Idol.

    Or maybe Adam just sucked last night, and the other Idols don’t even have to be part of the conversation. Perhaps its not any more complicated than’ ¦ he blew chunks. It happens.No need to insult the rest of the world, you know? Man up.

    I wouldn’t go so far as to say that Adam “blew chunks” or “sucked.” But ITA that there is no need to insult other Idols in order to defend Adam, or otherwise comment on his performance. For me, it was a disappointment, but not one that is going to change my enjoyment of his album. It’s certainly not going to change my view of David Cook (whom I adore), or Carrie (whom I’ve just recently re-discovered) or Chris Daughtry (about whom I’ve always been lukewarm, though I respect his success).

    edit: no fingerwagging pleaase

  95. I just wish Adam would just “be” who he is. Just show us his voice, and not prance around like a fool. Just use some common sense, Adam. I like you, but please.

  96. I wonder if they are saying it was spontaneous so that ABC doesn’t get fined? Or would they get fined anyway?

    Why should they get fined for a kiss? … A kiss is not obscene, no matter the gender of the people kissing. And there have been same-sex kisses on television before. I think that the gay-rights folks would have quite a bit to say if a fine were issued for a kiss on the mouth, no matter the gender mix of the participants!…..

    I’m kind of amazed that anybody thinks that FCC can levy fines for gay kissing — that supposition kind of makes Adam’s and Aaron’s Hicklin’s points, it seems to me.

    Nobody had their clothes off here. There were a few simulated moves of various kinds involving fully clothed participants. I’m never sure I love them on network television, but they’re all over the place, so I’m quite sure that they’re not illegal.

    Very telling about exactly where we are in the gay-rights struggle that people sort of assume that man-on-man kisses could get you slapped with obscenity fines. Especially when you consider the level of heterosexual sexy stuff that’s on television. What’s next — expecting obscenity fines for black-on-white kissing? Crap, I’m beginning to see Adam’s point, now that I see the sort of unthought-through assumptions about fines.

  97. Alison, am so with you on this. He lacks judgment and sadly I think he will stick to his position for the sake of being right instead of looking at it for what it is

    It just annoys me.. cause.. like, a lot of Adam fans are uber fans, and it’s like.. they’re not allowed to dislike something he does without being questioned by Adam. Like that condescending pout he did when he said it was “sad” that people aren’t ready for that kind of stuff.. He’s putting people into boxes. I’m not homophobic in the least, and me not wanting to see him shove a man’s face in his crotch doesn’t make me so. I just don’t understand how as fans, y’all are cool with all his implications. I mean, he’s always been like “Oh, you don’t GET IT” but now… he’s just being rude, instead of admitting, ok! my performance was weak.

    How much more respect for him would we have if he came out and said “Okay, I didn’t do well. Honestly, the pressure got to me, and there were a lot of missteps vocally and literally…” because.. him not owning up to his performance makes it sound like that’s all we can expect. Instead, he should hang his head in shame and say “I can do better. I WANT to do better. “

  98. Well, just saw the Adam Lambert performance on the link thru the NPR article. Maybe it was taken from a West Coast performance because there was definitely a cut-away at the simulating oral sex part. and that kiss–it was pretty aggressive–not pleasant at all.

    But I got to say that I’m way impressed with how Adam rolled with the fall and popped right up. And on a scaffold. Impressive.

    Is the song about sex? It’s hard to hear and the singing was not good.

    Imagine the laughs they got blocking that thing–“Okay, I’ll walk the s&m dog guy, and now you drag your hand across my nuts and then I’ll palm her crotch, but I won’t press too hard because that would be rude, and then I’ll do something crazy, controversial, and “in the moment” when I get to the top of the scaffolding.”

  99. Adam is such a brat. I don’t understand how you guys can remain his fans after all his comments.

    If it’s that important for you to know, I think you’ll find plenty of discussion in the various Adam threads about what we like about him.

  100. I just wish Adam would just ‘be’  who he is. Just show us his voice, and not prance around like a fool. Just use some common sense, Adam. I like you, but please.

    He has a great voice. He doesn’t need the theatrics. They’re fun, sure, but if they start getting in the way of a good vocal performance.. then, duh, adam, get rid of them, just sing.

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  102. In fact, just the opposite is true. What exactly were people expecting? We knew about his outlandish performances before AI even began. People were buzzing about Crazy and its outrageousness as soon as his name came up as having gone through to Hollywood. Unlike the typical fake and contrived Idol wannabe, Adam hasn’t disowned who he was before Idol for stardom. He is being clear. He’s the same person he was before as he is after. He’s interested in giving the same kind of performance as he was then and singing the same music. Sorry if Idol sanitization didn’t work. But really, an openly, outrageously gay man was never going to sell to the majority of Idol’s audience anyway. If he could, Adam would have won. So, to me, it seems Adam’s career is right on track.

    I totally agree that Adam is being himself and doing what he has always done. Last night was just not a good performance — whether it was the nerves, the sound system, not enough rehearsal, whatever. I have no issue with the sexuality of it all — think it was ballsy, just not executed well. And I doubt that TPTB at 19/RCA/AI are particularly upset. They all know who Adam is as well. And this gives the franchise an out-there watercoolery type of artist that they have never had before, while still having aw-shucks/humble/mellow/organic/sneaky (however it is the Kris fans describe him)Kris as the AI “title holder” . Its kind of a win-win for them.

  103. Poor Adam. He shouldn’t have pissed of the pearl clutchers of America with that boy on boy action. Now no one is buying that albu…..

    oops- nevermind.

    How beautifully ironic that amidst all this complaining, Adam and Lady Gaga have 4 of the top 10 albums on Itunes. LMAO.

  104. Imagine the laughs they got blocking that thing’“’ Okay, I’ll walk the s&m dog guy, and now you drag your hand across my nuts and then I’ll palm her crotch, but I won’t press too hard because that would be rude, and then I’ll do something crazy, controversial, and ‘in the moment’  when I get to the top of the scaffolding.’ 

    That visual just cracked me up.

    Very telling about exactly where we are in the gay-rights struggle that people sort of assume that man-on-man kisses could get you slapped with obscenity fines.

    I can’t imagine that there was anything “fineable” there, even though I’m sure plenty of people complained. And yeah, I’m sure there are plenty of narrow minded folks who were upset about boy on boy stuff. But there were plenty of not-narrow-minded folks who thought it was too much, too.

    The kiss was no big deal, I just didn’t think it was sexy at all, it looked too much like “Oh, yeah? Watch THIS! I’m kissing a BOY!” It would’ve been sexy if it was more… sensual? I dunno. It was an angry kiss, lol.

  105. People were buzzing about Crazy and its outrageousness as soon as his name came up as having gone through to Hollywood. Unlike the typical fake and contrived Idol wannabe, Adam hasn’t disowned who he was before Idol for stardom.

    Then why didn’t he do it on Idol? Because 1) it wasn’t appropriate and 2) it would’ve jeopardized how far he got on the show.

    So, why doesn’t that apply to life after the show? In other words, be all OTT on tour, with your adult audiences. On major awards shows that air on broadcast television and attract a cross-section of people of all ages, you tone it down a bit. That’s not being untrue to yourself; it’s being appropriate and professional. He’s still gay in both scenerios. Heh. So, I don’t see it as a sell-out.

    Frankly, if one is going to be this “shocking” — if you want to call it that — right out of the gate, what do you do for a follow-up? Should we move all these awards shows to pay-per-view?

  106. That’s funny, Adam himself stated it was pitchy. Oh well.

    As for overinvested fans that their number one can do no wrong, during the tour there were many of those for each of the idols. Hell many called Anoop rude and snobbish, bland, etc, but his fans still defended him too. To each there own, and people pretty much will see only what they want to in their favorites, no mater who they are.

  107. How beautifully ironic that amidst all this complaining, Adam and Lady Gaga have 4 of the top 10 albums on Itunes. LMAO.

    LOL – love it! Now I just need my Gaga/Adam tour and I’ll be all set.

    Personally, I think that kind of tour would be BRILLIANT for Adam. She could actually be a calming force for him, in terms of helping him reign it in (and how ironic is that, that Gaga would be helping reign Adam in, lol). I feel like they’d be a great juxtaposition for each other – she is very artistic, but kinda cold (in a good way) and distant with her performances. He is much more emotionally charged. What a great combo!

  108. Nah, I love Adam, consider him one of the best vocalists ever on AI, and suprememly gifted, etc. But he has messed up many times before ‘“ on AI, on the tour (I have the recordings to prove it). All of this is to say 2 things:

    1. He’s human ‘“ they’re all pitchy (Kris during Ford ‘Crazy’ , among others, they’re ALL pitchy)

    2. He usually works at a higher level of difficulty than many other singers. Not that this gets him off the hook, but when you do those kinds of acrobatics, vocally, it is often harder to control.

    Hrm. Guess I missed those (seriously, I did). Guess I would rather just hear him sing, especially in front of millions of people. If nerves were part of it, well, you get rid of nerves if you stand still and sing or walk down some stairs in fog and still just sing (to wit: MW, brilliant, ACIGC, brilliant, RoF, brilliant *and* edgy). A co-worker said, wouldn’t it have been even MORE unexpected for him to stand by a piano (guitar, whatever) and just sing? I nodded my head. I know what the song is about, and I still would rather he have just saaaang it. Then again, I wish his first release had been WWFM, which is getting good airplay already. Curious to see how it does. I predict a lot more spins than FYE, and not b/c it’s safe, but b/c it’s a really good song, and I said that *before* last night.

    Of course, YMMV.

    ETA: “That’s funny, Adam himself stated it was pitchy. Oh well.”

    *nodding*

  109. That’s funny, Adam himself stated it was pitchy. Oh well.

    As for overinvested fans that their number one can do no wrong, during the tour there were many of those for each of the idols. Hell many called Anoop rude and snobbish, bland, etc, but his fans still defended him too. To each there own, and people pretty much will see only what they want to in their favorites, no mater who they are.

    Anoop is rude, snobbish, and bland.. but I’ve never seen him blame the fans for anything. Anoop is mature and takes responsibility for stuff.

    Being a fan doesn’t mean loving everything that person does… You can be critical of your favorite- that’s fine. You should only love your children unconditionally.. .. and even then….

  110. Did y’all hear Rihanna? JLo? Janet? Shakira? Whitney? Now they truly sucked moosecock.

    And they didn’t get censored on the West Coast. DISCRIMINATION!!!

  111. As for overinvested fans that their number one can do no wrong, during the tour there were many of those for each of the idols. Hell many called Anoop rude and snobbish, bland, etc, but his fans still defended him too. To each there own, and people pretty much will see only what they want to in their favorites, no mater who they are.

    Yep. Exactly. And as an Adam fan, I’m fine with taking the bashing of him, it is what it is, and it will always be there. But if you dish it you have to take it, too. No idol is infallible here. They’re all fair game.

  112. I was at an Adam party in NYC last night. We all stood up after the dog leashes and never sat down. We ooohed and ahhhed as if we were watching football. We watched it over and over and stayed till 3am. Then we met to see if we could get into Letterman but no luck on that account.

    I have gone through every type of emotion about that performance. I now laugh at myself for being so shocked. Adam seemed prepared for the press questions and I wonder if he had his speech all lined up.

  113. And what the hell was Kris wearing? He looked like Colonel Sanders with the piping on his jacket. Totally ridiculous.

  114. OK, yeah yeah, bad perormance, we all agree, let’s move on-

    his brother tweeted thiss, and I thought it was pretty funny:

    “My brother Ninja rolled across the stage. Then said “its alright” in song”

    Hey- I didn’t notice he said that! But like someone else pointed out- I dare not go back to watch it… lol

  115. Being a fan doesn’t mean loving everything that person does’ ¦ You can be critical of your favorite- that’s fine. You should only love your children unconditionally.. .. and even then’ ¦.

    I love this statement so much *puts hearthands and rainbows around it forever*

    If you think your favorite is perfect there are fansites who will enable you delightedly. That is their goal in the entire thing. Oh and my kids, first I asked what they did wrong…yeah I love them unconditionally but I never pretended to imagine they were perfect.

  116. And they didn’t get censored on the West Coast. DISCRIMINATION!!!

    Actually, they edited out JLo’s tumble for the West Coast.

  117. Being a fan doesn’t mean loving everything that person does’ ¦ You can be critical of your favorite- that’s fine. You should only love your children unconditionally.. .. and even then’ ¦.

    And many of us do exactly that. You may have missed the epic album cover debate – oh lordy was that controversial! I was rather adamently against the album cover at the time. I have definitely snarked on Adam before, and even for the AMAs, I’ll be the first to state some of the short comings (pitchy, check; tumble, check; angry/not having fun, check). I also loved the performance for being OTT, crazy, by no means perfect, but then the shock is what I think he was going for.

    That said, I can still call him my fav. Still love him. We can do both. Your point about Anoop suggests something similar – looking past the faults to still love them. They’ve all got their faults.

  118. Actually, they edited out JLo’s tumble for the West Coast.

    Poor West Coasters, they get nothing. That is why I love living on the East Coast. We get everything first!

  119. I can’t imagine that there was anything ‘fineable’  there, even though I’m sure plenty of people complained. And yeah, I’m sure there are plenty of narrow minded folks who were upset about boy on boy stuff. But there were plenty of not-narrow-minded folks who thought it was too much, too.

    Agreed. I have my own reservations about this very sexy stuff on network tv shows that may have family audiences. I’m not at all sure whether I think it’s a good idea.

    However, that’s not the point I was trying to make.

    What I was saying was — If the exact same action had taken place between a man and a woman, (or even between two women, actually), *nobody* would have come close to speculating that there might be obscenity fines levied. ….

    And that being the case, it very much proves the point that there’s still an underlying assumption (which I suspect most of the people who say is realize is erroneous, as soon as they think about it), that any man-on-man action is obscene and could fall under broadcast obscenity rules. No matter what you think about having sexy gyrating on network tv — pro or con — it seems to me you have to be struck by the fact that a mere *kiss* between two men raises speculation that a network could be fined for obscenity!!!

    That really really really shows where we are in our buried assumptions about male homosexuality, compared to heterosexuality and even lesbianism, seems to me. (And I’m not talking about the various gyrations and simulated blow job and such — although that’s not in the least unprecedented as a male-female thing in music performances these days … But it’s a different issue. … I’m talking about the *kiss.*)

    A kiss … and then, “Oh, wow, maybe Adam said the kiss was spontaneous so the network isn’t fined for obscenity!!!” …. That’s just amazing to me. …. That was a *kiss*…. As straight people, how would we like it if people thought that seeing a kiss between us and our significant others was *obscene*? I, for one, find that pretty horrifying.

  120. And many of us do exactly that. You may have missed the epic album cover debate ‘“ oh lordy was that controversial! I was rather adamently against the album cover at the time. I have definitely snarked on Adam before, and even for the AMAs, I’ll be the first to state some of the short comings (pitchy, check; tumble, check; angry/not having fun, check). I also loved the performance for being OTT, crazy, by no means perfect, but then the shock is what I think he was going for.

    That said, I can still call him my fav. Still love him. We can do both. Your point about Anoop suggests something similar ‘“ looking past the faults to still love them. They’ve all got their faults.

    So what are we arguing about?

  121. Being a fan doesn’t mean loving everything that person does’ ¦ You can be critical of your favorite- that’s fine. You should only love your children unconditionally.. .. and even then’ ¦.

    Hmm, seems that there are a lot of his fans here calling him out on it. Maybe I have a different version of the chat up.

  122. I was at an Adam party in NYC last night. We all stood up after the dog leashes and never sat down. We ooohed and ahhhed as if we were watching football. We watched it over and over and stayed till 3am. Then we met to see if we could get into Letterman but no luck on that account.

    I have gone through every type of emotion about that performance. I now laugh at myself for being so shocked. Adam seemed prepared for the press questions and I wonder if he had his speech all lined up.

    Lol – love that story! I was online till 2am still talking about Adam last night.

    And double lol to us actually being shocked by what happened last night. I remember the conversations that came out of the first leaks about the MV and rehearsals, lots of talk about S&M, dragging women across the stage, etc. We kinda knew what to expect. I wasn’t particularly surprised.

  123. Hmm, seems that there are a lot of his fans here calling him out on it. Maybe I have a different version of the chat up.

    We’re not talking about the performance, but his attitude. Some of us differ on that.

  124. ‘My brother Ninja rolled across the stage. Then said ‘its alright’  in song’ 

    Hey- I didn’t notice he said that! But like someone else pointed out- I dare not go back to watch it’ ¦ lol

    Right after the “fall” he sings:

    It’s alright, you’ll be fine baby, I’m in control

    If it really was an accident, it could not have been better timed.

  125. Logo Channel interview with Kris has been posted.

    LOL That was cute, and the questions were random. I was surprised there was not one question related to homosexuality (not counting the Kradam thing). And yeah, idiots. lol But I’m sure the fics will keep existing.

  126. If you liked Adam’s performance, great. If you hated it, great. If you’re somewhere in the middle like me, great.

    In all honesty, I think Adam’s vocal performance was much better than at least half of the others I heard last night. But I hold him to a higher standard. Adam can sing, but I suspect a number of the others really can’t because I’ve never heard them do it well live. He doesn’t tend to have pitch problems, but some of the others do with every live performance that’s not lip-synced (and probably in the studio as well before Auto-Tune does its magic).

  127. Being a fan doesn’t mean loving everything that person does’ ¦ You can be critical of your favorite- that’s fine. You should only love your children unconditionally.. .. and even then’ ¦.

    Yep, I love David Cook. Yet I still criticize his hair. ;) Then again if he had done what Adam did IDK if I could still be a fan. haha

    It’s healthy to hear both sides of the story. Why some don’t like it and why some do.

  128. Adam broke the top 10 with both albums on itunes #7 and #9 overall #4 and #6 on the pop chart.. It would be awesome if he could go higher but he has some serious competition. Still#5 on Amazon.

  129. So what are we arguing about?

    The only thing I took issue to at first was your comment that you couldn’t believe us fans could still stick up for him. My point is, which you seemed to agree with, with the comment about liking Anoop despite his short comings, is that we ALL do that – loves these guys despite the short comings and faults.

  130. THIS

    http://ernestsewell.livejournal.com/1398712.html

    This person has some serious issues in their defense of Adam and his performance last night. Many of the points in it have beeen addressed already so I won’t rehash but I think a cuple of people here have made great arguments about loving your Idol even through their faults. If this guy could be somewhat rational in his writing about Adam maybe it would be easier to understand what he’s trying to say.

  131. Adam broke the top 10 with both albums on itunes #7 and #9 overall #4 and #6 on the pop chart.. It would be awesome if he could go higher but he has some serious competition. Still#5 on Amazon.

    This is a tough week, unfortunately (the toughest all year by most industry experts) – with Rihanna, Gaga, SuBo, Shakira, etc.

  132. Yep, I love David Cook. Yet I still criticize his hair. ;) Then again if he had done what Adam did IDK if I could still be a fan. haha

    Yeah, he should get hair plugs. There’s nothing wrong with it.. a lot of people do.. I understand why he doesn’t. He is so handsome- it would really help.

  133. Did y’all hear Rihanna? JLo? Janet? Shakira? Whitney? Now they truly sucked moosecock.

    Oh, God. Rhianna was hideous. In fact, there were quite a few performers last night who wouldn’t have made it past the judges round on Idol. And which one of them slid under the male dancer and grabbed his junk? Was that JLo? Nothing shocking about that, though, apparently. Or Shakira’s dancers simulating intercourse on each other.

    Also, why was the mic stand so short? Is it so when the ladies accept their awards, there’s more opportunity for cleavage shots? The entire show wallows in sin!!!!

  134. Yeah, he should get hair plugs. There’s nothing wrong with it.. a lot of people do.. I understand why he doesn’t. He is so handsome- it would really help.

    YES. cough*Rogaine*cough. Excuse me, I don’t know what came over me.

  135. Poor West Coasters, they get nothing. That is why I love living on the East Coast. We get everything first!

    Actually, Central gets everything live like the East coast, but it’s an hour earlier for us. Win win! :-)

  136. Did anyone else notice that Kris was wearing the SAME SUIT as Perez Hilton?? Different colors, but same suit.

    MJ it would be fun if you could post side by side pics.

  137. Not since I’ve been here-When was the last time people on MJ’s didn’t spend the day arguing about Adam Lambert?

  138. The only thing I took issue to at first was your comment that you couldn’t believe us fans could still stick up for him. My point is, which you seemed to agree with, with the comment about liking Anoop despite his short comings, is that we ALL do that ‘“ loves these guys despite the short comings and faults.

    I’m not talking about faults though. I’m talking about when ADAM questions people’s taste and pretty much insults anyone who says the slightest thing not in his favor.

    Anoop may be boring, but he doesn’t condescend upon fans for not “getting it” and imply we are sad behind-the-times individuals. THAT’S what I have a problem with. Y’all should have a backbone..

  139. sidewalkstory
    11/23/2009 at 2:25 pm
    And what the hell was Kris wearing? He looked like Colonel Sanders with the piping on his jacket. Totally ridiculous.

    LOL. Good observation. I was wondering why that jacket looked familiar. But to his credit, at least he wasn’t wearing a plaid suit.

  140. Well, I’ve been lurking here since AI8 started: love Adam. I had to de-lurk to say something… I have been listening to the 3 songs he let us have before his album was available. Last night was just completely crazy. An introduction to the music world that “I” had hoped would showcase is superb vocals. But, if you listen the 3 downloads we had: the 1st one was: let me entertain you… Listen to the words: it pushes buttons and is very sexual. The OTT was shocking. Yep, he really went there. On Letterman he will most likely do WWFM. Hear the words on that song after last nights performance: wow! It really ties into reactions he has created. Then, possibly he will do WWFM on GMA followed by MP. Listen to those words! He is definitely stating something by releasing these songs early. Listening in this order: it is more of a story of what he wants and is doing. It reads (sounds) like a statement from him. Hum.. Love his music. But I had to jump in because this has bugged me all morning after listening to those 3 songs in that order.

  141. Actually, Central gets everything live like the East coast, but it’s an hour earlier for us. Win win!

    Dang.

    Not since I’ve been here-When was the last time people on MJ’s didn’t spend the day arguing about Adam Lambert?

    Um around the day before his audtion went on TV.

  142. Blake had it too. Black with white piping. ::Sigh::

    Where’s Tim Gunn when you need him.

  143. lol, did not know J.Lo fell, too!!! NegativeNeil had the best running commentary all night.

    Still wondering (PLEASE TELL ME, SOMEBODY):

    Do you get more at AO than just one more song? Is there a booklet? Is there one at iTunes I missed? I want to make sure I got everything. Cause, ya know, I *still* love Adam. JS. 8)

    Rhianna is not a very good singer, IMO. OTOH, Alicia Keys IS. So is Mary K. Blige. So, um, yeah…

  144. OMG, that fall! I can almost laugh about it now, because he did recover well (now that I’ve finally watched the whole thing); but I was horrified for him in the moment.

  145. Tess

    Was there really a need to insult the former Idols — most of whom are far more successful than Adam is? You loved Adam’s performance, that’s great. I preferred Kelly’s, myself — she sang her face off last night — Adam’s vocals were extremely poor. To me, the vocals are the most important thing, because I’m am going to listen to a song far more than I am going to be able to see it performed live.

    I still am a big fan of Adam’s, but he was off his game last night. And even he knew it, could see it in his face when he finished.

    And Adam knows better than to totally blow off AI. Because until he manages to establish himself as a solo artist — which he hasn’t done yet — he is going to need the AI TPTB to have his back.

  146. Kris’s suit was awesome. the black shirt and tie was the perfect complement

  147. And Adam knows better than to totally blow off AI. Because until he manages to establish himself as a solo artist ‘” which he hasn’t done yet ‘” he is going to need the AI TPTB to have his back.

    Like Dave says “No sense in biting the hand that feeds you.” Disclaimer: Actual wording may vary. ;)

  148. I’m still loving the fact that he bought his parents to the AMAs with him. I do wonder what they thought during the fellatio scene – oy vey Adam.

  149. I’m not talking about faults though. I’m talking about when ADAM questions people’s taste and pretty much insults anyone who says the slightest thing not in his favor.

    Anoop may be boring, but he doesn’t condescend upon fans for not ‘getting it’  and imply we are sad behind-the-times individuals. THAT’S what I have a problem with. Y’all should have a backbone..

    Sigh – but seriously, from THIS FAN’S perspective, I have no problem with what Adam says and how he explains himself. Some do, and don’t like his response or attitude or whatever. Some will say it is condescending to fans, that it rubs them the wrong way, and that they don’t like him because of it. Fine, that’s their prerogative. But it is not mine.

    Flipping it the other way, I met Anoop a few times on tour, and he rubbed me the wrong way with his attitude, didn’t think he cared as much about the fans or the music opportunities he had because of AI. I didn’t like him as much because of it. That’s my prerogative. I don’t know how else to say it, but there it is.

  150. Squirrely, his dad was probably totally unphased. But poor Leila!

  151. And Janet, well she is riding on her brother’s coattails, YMMV.

    Awww seriously, does this mean we have to break up? I know Michael was more iconic, but I always *hearted* Janet best. Even Nipplegate didn’t bother me, LOL. My mom had to pry Control out of my little white knuckled hands cuz I wore that shizz out. The overall message of empowerment, the way she broke away from her skeery father’s control and then flipped the proverbial bird at her abusive hubby, was heady stuff to a preteen girl.

    You know, Adam’s album could have been something like Janet’s Control, come to think of it, and the same could be said of his AMA performance. It could have been a really cool kind of overall statement of personal empowerment. I mean, he had some good ideas and I don’t think he only wants to be the next guy in pop music to make a big deal about his crotch. Cuz really, been there, done that dating back to Morrison. I just wish his voice (artistic, not you know the one that sings) could be heard more authentically and meaningfully through all the overhyped shock element stuff of his roll out. I don’t mind the flash (including a dude’s face in your crotch) if there’s some substance behind the overall presentation. And, again, I really wish he’d hook up with a better creative team to help him polish up his dancing and stagecraft. If you want to be a visual artist, you got to work that visual.

    Oh, and thanks for the Cookie links, y’all. I’d go into diatribe #1,486 about how Declaration kills live and should have been the first single, but who wants to hear that again. Well, nobody in a headlines thread, anyway. Suffice to say he looked hot (I’m tellin ya, there’s some stylist in Vegas who knows their shit when it comes to Cookie’s ‘do) sounded hotter and apparently, Neal scares family friendly camera people. Too funny.

  152. Rhianna is not a very good singer, IMO. OTOH, Alicia Keys IS. So is Mary K. Blige. So, um, yeah’ ¦

    Rihanna’s not as good, Alicia Keyes is not as strong a singer as say, Beyonce, or Kelly, but she is better as a songwriter and pianist/singer, imo. Yeah, we hold Adam to a high standard, because he’s freaking Adam, but a lot of pop singers are generally not very good. And many of them make up for it by lip syncing live performances.

  153. I see that now that the ‘shock’  has worn off, the media is starting to dissect the AMA performance, give him props for creating the watercooler moment etc.

    Unbelievable.

    So that’s what music is about: creating ‘water cooler moments’. And not by having a good song, or singing or performing it well, but by being ‘outrageous’.

    In other words, it was a calculated attempt to copy Britney Spears, Madonna, Lady Gaga et al – nothing original there – and if people think it was a pile of crap, then it’s because they’re homophobic.

    Oooooo-kay.

    Well, it’s a good job he’s got the homophobic argument to fall back on then, because otherwise, all we’d be left with is a steaming pile of crap!

    But, I see the album(s) are doing well on i-tunes, so that’s probably what you need to succeed.

    Baaah. Baaaah.

  154. About his adittiude-
    I really don’t give a damn. Seriously. He doesn’t owe me anything personally.
    Bono was for years rumoured to be the most arrogant man alive. And really- was John Lennon ever a nice person? Always cynical and patronizing, yes, even towards his fans.
    And so were many many others. Does it take away from my loving what they do/did? Their art? Their talent? Nu-uh!
    And I consider Adam to actually be much nicer and sweeter than a lot of them, from what I’ve seen so far. So he gets defensive sometimes, and pretends he doesn’t care what people think… ooooh- what an arrogant guy!
    Bottom line, I usually like what I see and hear from him, and when I don’t, it doesn’t really matter.

    As long as his next performances are on pitch, ofcourse!

  155. I’m still loving the fact that he bought his parents to the AMAs with him. I do wonder what they thought during the fellatio scene ‘“ oy vey Adam.

    Lol – that’s awesome. Some part of me thinks neither of them was particularly traumatized or surprised by it.

  156. I’d go into diatribe #1,486 about how Declaration kills live and should have been the first single, but who wants to hear that again.

    I almost went there and then I bit my tongue. Or my finger. Whatever :)

    Neal scares family friendly camera people

    Nobody puts Neal in a corner!

  157. sunchick
    11/23/2009 at 2:47 pm
    Awww seriously, does this mean we have to break up? I know Michael was more iconic, but I always *hearted* Janet best. Even Nipplegate didn’t bother me, LOL. My mom had to pry Control out of my little white knuckled hands cuz I wore that shizz out. The overall message of empowerment, the way she broke away from her skeery father’s control and then her abusive hubby, was heady stuff to a preteen girl.

    Hehe, sorry. I more meant with this one performance. I figured she wouldn’t be there if Michael hadn’t just died. IDK =)

    ….and apparently, Neal scares family friendly camera people. Too funny.

    Noooo, not NFT! He doesn’t scare me! I wanna hug him and squish him! Too many exclamation points?

  158. I’m not talking about faults though. I’m talking about when ADAM questions people’s taste and pretty much insults anyone who says the slightest thing not in his favor.

    Anoop may be boring, but he doesn’t condescend upon fans for not ‘getting it’  and imply we are sad behind-the-times individuals. THAT’S what I have a problem with. Y’all should have a backbone..

    To be fair, you can’t really compare Anoop and Adam. In any way.

    I don’t think Adam is condescending to his fans; merely stating a truth. Some fans are going to appreciate what he’s doing, and some aren’t. TBH, I’m having some trouble appreciating his performance last night, and I’m a huge fan. Mostly disappointed at the lost opportunity for blowing everyone away with his vocals.

    That being said, I don’t think we’re going to convince each other of our points of view. People who were never fans of Adam are going to read “brattiness” or whatever into every thing he says and does.

  159. About his adittiude-
    I really don’t give a damn. Seriously. He doesn’t owe me anything personally.
    Bono was for years rumoured to be the most arrogant man alive. And really- was John Lennon ever a nice person? Always cynical and patronizing, yes, even towards his fans.
    And so were many many others. Does it take away from my loving what they do/did? Their art? Their talent? Nu-uh!
    And I consider Adam to actually be much nicer and sweeter than a lot of them, from what I’ve seen so far. So he gets defensive sometimes, and pretends he doesn’t care what people think’ ¦ ooooh- what an arrogant guy!
    Bottom line, I usually like what I see and hear from him, and when I don’t, it doesn’t really matter.

    ^^ THIS! Thank you :-) ITA.

  160. Like a lot of people here, I’m not so much getting the shockingness — there’s a bit in Prince’s Purple Rain, which came out some 25 years ago–where his female guitarist mimes giving oral sex to his guitar, and songs were super sexually explicity–but that was a Rated R film by a guy who’s put out several insanely influential albums.

    It’s more the calculated bad taste and desperate pantomining, coupled with a bad vocal.

    OK, and actually I don’t like the song either. :-) And I both bought music by him and voted for him during the show (though it’s been downhill for me with him since then).

    If the exact same action had taken place between a man and a woman, (or even between two women, actually), *nobody* would have come close to speculating that there might be obscenity fines levied.

    Sure they would, if it was this explicit and appearing on broadcast tv, not cable, on a show with no warnings.

    The thing that bugs me about it, though, is that whole shebang was carefully planned to elicit this debate. There’s probably a Powerpoint in Adam’s management rollout-plan, with little stick figures.

    Let me ask people this, frankly: if a comedy show, say SNL or whatever, had done a parody a week in advance, implying that Adam was going to simulate oral sex on stage, drag people on leashes and flip off the audience–don’t you think fandom would have exploded with outrage and cries of homophobia?

    It feels to me like he’s falling into self-parody at the first available opportunity. Now that he’s let us know that blow-jobs are central to how he wants us to remember him, as much as singing–I’m curious as to the adjectives that will be used to describe furture performances. Will fans still be calling it shocking, edgy, cutting edge, the 50th time he’s miming getting off on stage?

  161. And what the hell was Kris wearing? He looked like Colonel Sanders with the piping on his jacket. Totally ridiculous.

    LOL. Good observation. I was wondering why that jacket looked familiar. But to his credit, at least he wasn’t wearing a plaid suit

    Um, Colonel Sanders wore a white suit, white shirt, black string tie. That put down doesn’t even make sense.

  162. ‘Adam Lambert’ is still trending on twitter, even when he’s giving me ulcers I end up smiling.

  163. Frankly, if one is going to be this ‘shocking’  ‘” if you want to call it that ‘” right out of the gate, what do you do for a follow-up?

    This is what I’ve been wondering. If this is the “real” Adam and he doesn’t care who he alienates, then why include Broadwayesque ballads, rejects from other artists, that song that sounds like Daughtry, etc. on his album? Why not churn out 12 tacky dance songs about S&M and embrace the freak flag every time you perform? That’s why this seems so staged. There are clearly other sides to Adam and for him to act like his “artistry” demands blowjobs and handjobs just so he can shout “discrimination!” seems like nothing more than attention seeking behavior. I like a couple of his songs and I’ll still buy them, but any I no longer find him to be an intriguing character. I kind of want to punch him in the face when he opens his mouth.

    All of this should become a non-issue because none of the other songs on the album are going to lend themselves to quite that level of spectacular display.

  164. Madonna never cared about alienating fans. She’s always been true to herself. Just like Adam. That’s the sign of true stars.

  165. Noooo, not NFT! He doesn’t scare me! I wanna hug him and squish him! Too many exclamation points?

    Ha, me too. I don’t know if he’d appreciate that people think he’s adorable, but the longer I’ve lived in Cooktopia or wherever it is that us Cookie fans live (hee), the more I’ve gotten to just fricking love Neal. (And Monty, who I want to smish. And Andy with his Prell hair. Kyle is too young to smish, except in a motherly way).

  166. Bono was for years rumoured to be the most arrogant man alive. And really- was John Lennon ever a nice person? Always cynical and patronizing, yes, even towards his fans.

    Yes but Adam just got off AMERICAN IDOL like, two months ago. Bono has been in the biz for like… 30 or 40 years and Lennon was part of one of the most successful groups ever.. so… Yeah.

  167. Lol ‘“ that’s awesome. Some part of me thinks neither of them was particularly traumatized or surprised by it.

    Why would they be? If he were a straight rapper, or a female pop singer like Britney, (or even Miley), pole dancing, fake fellatio, and, for heaven’s sake, *kissing* are just completely par for the course in performances. And punk and rock folks have been giving the finger in performances for decades.

    So, really, a large proportion of the shock *does* come from his being a gay man. … I know a lot of people say that that’s not the explanation, but the more I think of it the more I realize that Adam’s totally right that it *is* the primary issue. (Not for everyone, I hasten to say — I realize that there are a significant number of people who are skeptical about sexy performances on tv and in music, period. I’m not sure they belong on network television myself … )

    Nevertheless, we’re so used to seeing the exact same kind of stuff — The biggest shock causer seems to have been a *kiss*, after all! — in pop and rap performances that we don’t even notice that we’re seeing it all the time except in this case when it goes man on man! Seriously. Imagine him doing *everything* he did — only have all the exchanges be with women — and while you may not *like* seeing even that heterosexual stuff on tv, I guarantee that we’ve all seen it many many times and it causes only minimal uproar — nothing like what we’re seeing after this performance. Good grief, female pop and r&b singers are dry-humping chairs and such all the time.

    So since his parents know he’s gay and sexually active and have, I’m sure, witnessed sexy affection between him and boyfriends before, I doubt that they were traumatized a bit. (although they may realize that society may not be ready … and worry for their kid on those grounds)

  168. Ha, me too. I don’t know if he’d appreciate that people think he’s adorable, but the longer I’ve lived in Cooktopia or wherever it is that us Cookie fans live (hee), the more I’ve gotten to just fricking love Neal. (And Monty, who I want to smish. And Andy with his Prell hair. Kyle is too young to smish, except in a motherly way).

    Cooktopia sounds better IMO then Cookistan, or United States of Cookia, Cookily, or Cookany. I’ve heard them all. I don’t really want to smish Monty because he looks like he could be my dad, and that creeps me out. Next to David, Neal is my favorite. Kyle and Andy are tied. (Have you noticed how Andy’s eyes are huuuuuuuuge?)

  169. Frankly, if one is going to be this ‘shocking’  ‘” if you want to call it that ‘” right out of the gate, what do you do for a follow-up?

    Hmm, good point. Lol. IDK – he goes from 0 to 100 from one moment to the next. I would almost bet money that the plan was:

    * AMAs = total sexed up, OTT, censored escapade

    * Letterman = accoustic, stripped down, him and a guitar rendition of Soaked or WWFM.

    * GMA = more down the middle, and betting money he’ll perform WWFM and TFM.

  170. I’m still trying to wrap my head around him flipping off the audience at the end…Of all the things he was trying to portray on stage, that’s the one image I didn’t expect and don’t understand.

    I didn’t watch on TV, only YouTube so I don’t know, but did this get shown over TV?

  171. Madonna never cared about alienating fans. She’s always been true to herself. Just like Adam. That’s the sign of true stars.

    Bono was for years rumoured to be the most arrogant man alive. And really- was John Lennon ever a nice person? Always cynical and patronizing, yes, even towards his fans.

    Yeah, not to mention Van Morrison, Miles Davis, Kanye West… all legendary pricks.

    But all had music with high appeal to back it up.

    Adam has just released, and I think the album is good, but we have no idea if it will succeed with scores of people yet. He is putting the cart before the horse right now.

    That is the danger. If his music is undeniable, all this becomes part of a successful package. But if people don’t like the music, you got Blake Lewis 2.0

    Only time will tell.

  172. Anoop may be boring, but he doesn’t condescend upon fans for not ‘getting it’ 

    Wut? Anoop was the most condescending character on AI this season. He walks around with a chip on his shoulder and for all his genius, has no common sense.

    Anoop with his backtalk, turned off the judges and the voters too.

    Anoop was the only one that had to be coerced to wear make-up during the Magic Show Ford commercial. Too snooty.
    Anoop wouldn’t pick up the few bras that were thrown to him on stage. He was above that lowly game of interacting with his fans.

    Anoop, the genius, tweeted about finding a gym in LA. Uh, Anoop, there’s probably one on every corner. Anoop, the genius, missed his flight twice; once during the season, once during the show.

  173. Not a Castro fan, but Schubas is an excellent place to play in Chicago. Love that place.

  174. I don’t really want to smish Monty because he looks like he could be my dad, and that creeps me out. Next to David, Neal is my favorite. Kyle and Andy are tied. (Have you noticed how Andy’s eyes are huuuuuuuuge?)

    LOL, Monty’s my age, I think, so I’m good. I’d feel icky smishing Kyle, he’s so darn young (Andy’s not much older, I guess!).

    Andy has huge eyes… big ol’ Bambi eyes. My mother *loves* him, it is hilarious. She calls him the “cute brown-haired boy.”

  175. Reality: No one, no matter how talented, and no matter how big their budget, can create and perfect a Broadway 2nd act closer production number with new band, new singers, and new dancers in 3 weeks.

    Those quotes from the AP article reinforced how Adam was trying to do just that.

    Can’t be done.

    Jungle gym choreography was in direct conflict to showcasing dazzling vocals and stage-owning charisma from the start.

    Adam wants it all, now. Wants to stage the wildest, craziest dress-up party possible, while rehearsing with a brand new band to sound rock-solid for too many TV appearances including a mini-concert in a Broadway theatre, while wedging in interviews, promos, and red carpet runs.

    Can’t be done.

    What can be done is to use his astounding talents to start building a foundation for long-term artistic exploration. One that will invite a big world of hearts and minds to climb aboard the thrilling connection to his astounding voice to take a ride through artistically exciting rabbit holes to places people never imagined they’d go. Dress-up and geisha sexy pony tails included. Start to build. Not try to do everything all at once.

    All at once can’t be done.

    Art takes time. Simulated blow jobs are not art. Bad singing is also not art. But everyone gets an off night. Trying to do too much, too fast, doesn’t increase the chances of great singing happening. Especially with new, apparently not very good, back-up singers.

    Fabulous singing and a few, fresh, original wild images would have rattled the rafters louder, longer, and harder. And someone in his management should have known that from the get go. And kept saying: This is your debut, young Skywalker. Debut. Here’s how to dazzle now in this finite amount of time. And buy yourself another huge step up to wider, wilder, bigger art.

    And you can never get good singing on a jungle gym if you only have a few weeks and what you care about the most is perfecting the imagery.

    OTOH, if I hear too much more homophobic objection to a mere kiss, I, who have no use for the lazy, done a million times before by people with no talent, zotz of crotch-based cheap shots, am likely to volunteer to strap on a leash myself and join the fight.

    “Artistic freedom” does indeed mean being able to explore how to creatively express alpha male sexuality from a gay perspective. Some where in the skills of a man who can so swaggeringly wear both that hunk of sleek handsome suit last night and the geisha erotic ponytail, combined with his mesmerizing voice, is artistry of newness and enchantment yet to come, that will take us on compelling explorations. It just didn’t happen last night. Last night was strategically unsound.

    Last night, sadly, for those of us who love him, and those of us who at least welcome a real vocal talent in this bogus, auto-tuned world, was silver plate debut opportunities created by years of hard work, left unseized. This was his debut. Debuts have rules and opportunities. He treated this like a scene from his 2-year out world tour.

    Quick, loud buzz is both addictive and easy. But it doesn’t last. Unless like those who can’t sing, you just keep amping up the hoopla.

    Fortunately, this won’t matter long-term. Another fake singer or actor or celeb wannabe will do something way more OTT. And Adam will be flooding the TV airwaves with fabulous singing. (Please book Oprah now)

    I just hope, soon, Adam will take the time to fully think through where he wants his artistry to grow. And get better, stronger, more strategic advisors. Some one has to help him know when artistic freedom is served more strongly by great singing than setting your hair on fire.

  176. “If the exact same action had taken place between a man and a woman, (or even between two women, actually), *nobody* would have come close to speculating that there might be obscenity fines levied.”

    Sure they would, if it was this explicit and appearing on broadcast tv, not cable, on a show with no warnings.

    Well, you may be right, but I don’t think so.

    I think we see stuff like this all the time in music performances and literally don’t even notice it because we’re so used to it and we’re so comfortable with heterosexual sex that it doesn’t even look like sex to us — but when Adam, a gay man, does it, in the back of our minds we’re kind of uncomfortably aware that it’s *sex* and we’re unaccustomed to and a bit uneasy about gay male sex and that makes us notice notice notice.

  177. I have said before that Adam needs to be careful with how he presents himself image-wise, and I’m not sure if last night is a good way to do it. Some people have mentioned Madonna, but the one pertinent point about Madonna is that when she realised she has overstepped the mark, she retreated. She did the Erotica album, the Sex book and the film Body of Evidence in 1992-1993, a period when many thought she had gone too far, where she crossed the line of being adventurous and outrageous into the vulgar and cheap. Madonna took note of the criticism and ridicule and became more careful with what how she presented herself.

    I don’t find there is anything shocking in what Adam did last night, but my opinion doesn’t really matter, it’s how the rest of the world sees it. Only time will tell if he made a bad mistake or if it was a shrewd move on his part, but he should realise that someone who is already a huge star like Madonna has more room to manoeuvre when she makes a mistake, he might not have that luxury.

  178. That is the danger. If his music is undeniable, all this becomes part of a successful package. But if people don’t like the music, you got Blake Lewis 2.0

    Only time will tell.

    That’s it, all right.

  179. OMG, that fall! I can almost laugh about it now, because he did recover well (now that I’ve finally watched the whole thing); but I was horrified for him in the moment.

    When we watched this, half of us had to convince the other half that this was an accident. Until I saw the replay, I was one of the people that needed convincing.

  180. Next to David, Neal is my favorite. Kyle and Andy are tied.

    ITA, seriously. After seeing Neal play live, yeah, he had me. :)

  181. FifthHouseSun, that is the best post I have read yet. And suddenly, it becomes a little clearer what he was trying to do. And he seemed to feel it wasn’t working, but it was too late.

  182. The best of the night to me was Kelly – she nailed that song! Just beautiful.

  183. he biggest shock causer seems to have been a *kiss*, after all

    The biggest shock for me was his horrendous singing. I thought he was all about the omg!!!voice but not so much. He truthfully sucked. American Idol contestants are known for their voices, and Adam Lambert was pegged as the best ever, then he pretty much was shit for a voice. I am sorry for all the others who have to live through this embarrassment. Whether it should or not, his laughable performance reflects on all the others. Hopefully everybody will remember Kelly’s performance and give AI some credit.

  184. OTOH, if I hear too much more homophobic objection

    Gah. The word “homophobic” has been bandied about on this blog far too carelessly.

    Feeling that Adam’s performance last night was crude or vulgar does not make the person expressing that opinion homophobic.

    Unless you are talking about comments on another site, I didn’t find any of the objections on THIS site homophobic.

    The word is a huge slur. I’m about to put it in my filter.

  185. Kris looked like Archie’s brother in that suit.

    The worst thing about the suit is that since we saw at least three guys who most likely have consulting stylists wearing it at the AMAs, that means it’s probably the new trend, and now we’re going to be seeing it everywhere. …. It looks like a bad wedding or prom tuxedo from 1978, to me. Not a good fashion trend!

  186. Now that I’ve had more time to think and digest Adam’s performance last night, I’ve been able to clearly delineate the things that bothered me about it:

    1. His vocals were not good. He was way off in pitch at least 2 different times and it sounded really bad.

    2. I was fine with the beginning – and the leashes on the men. But when he SHOVED the man’s face into his crotch I reacted – not against the sexuality (which would not have bothered me), but against the AGGRESSION. Adam’s sexuality on tour was fun, campy and playful – and let the audience in on the joke. This felt rough, and objectified people as objects – not at all the same thing.

    3. The kiss didn’t offend because of the kiss, but the AGGRESSION of it bothered me. To grab someone and force them into a kiss isn’t sexy to me – it’s revolting.

    As a psychologist who deals with rape victims, it’s possible that my strong emotional reactions to the aggression are tied into my beliefs that rape is NOT about sex, but about power. This whole performance smacked of that – like it was a F*CK YOU to the audience. It didn’t feel fun or campy or sexual, it felt disrespectful and rude. And I adore Adam – so it really throws me. Either he’s really conned me and he’s not at all who I thought he was, or this performance was WAY off from who he is as a person.

    Some people have compared this to his “Crazy” performance that’s on the Tube. That performance had a fun, campy feel to it – there was clearly a twinkle in his eye. The one last night at the AMA’s didn’t – it seemed angry and “in your face”. I pre-ordered his album for me and as a gift and am still glad – I love his voice. But if he turns out to be a true jerk, then I’m not sure I’ll continue to hold him as a person as favorably in my heart as I have been.

  187. I don’t get the furore over the gay s&m angle: to be honest that whole thing is just a big yawn, whether it’s male or female, heterosexual or homosexual.

    It’s been done before, over and over again, getting that bit more OTT each time and now it’s just kind of tedious (if it was ever anything else).

    To me that whole discussion/argument is just a smoke screen, to cloud the fact that it.just.was.not.good.

    For someone, for whom this was his big launch, worldwide, to prove what a fantabulous, amazing new international talent he is, to be singing a mediocre song, with mediocre vocals and doing a mediocre job of the dance routine: that’s the real story, which the pied piper media are working ever so hard to ignore.

    However, I do think that the album is better than the performance and that Lambert is better than the performance.

    Hopefully, he’ll drop all the ‘it’s because I’m gay’ whinging and assess what happened honestly.

  188. I put this in another thread, but I’d like to share it here too:

    I think Kris and Adam are both gonna be successful artists. And they’re both gonna learn as they go. Why do they have to be successful right outta the gate? From a recent Bon Jovi interview:

    So are today’s artists at a disadvantage? ‘You got a poor kid that wins ‘American Idol’ and then he’s expected to be on the same level or playing field as the Rolling Stones or U2 or Bon Jovi the next day.

    That’s not fair,’  Bon Jovi says. ‘We were allowed to have the third album be the one that was the breakthrough record. I don’t know if a kid these days is ever gonna break 100 million in album sales. I don’t think that’s ever gonna happen again.’ 

  189. Fabulous singing and a few, fresh, original wild images would have rattled the rafters louder, longer, and harder. And someone in his management should have known that from the get go. And kept saying: This is your debut, young Skywalker. Debut. Here’s how to dazzle now in this finite amount of time. And buy yourself another huge step up to wider, wilder, bigger art.

    FHS, great thoughts here. Yes, I tend to agree. My biggest criticism of the AMAs was that he just tried to do too much with such limited resources (namely, time to put it together). Your plan would have worked better – just one or two “shock” images and moments (instead of throwing everything and the kitchen sink into the mix), plus great vocals.

    That said, I think FYE doesn’t exactly lend itself to that approach quite as easily. It is not the biggest song for him to sing, vocally (not as impressive, in other words), and is really more about the shock of the lyrics, which he grabbed on to with full abandon for the performance. Again, though, he tried to do too much (more than he really needed to).

    Hmm, I must say, I am surprised his management is letting him do all this. For better or worse, I really feel like Adam has full reign to do whatever the hell he wants. Considering your analysis, FHS, that may not be the best thing right now. He needs fewer “yes” men around telling him he can just do whatever.

    He’s got great instincts, to be sure, but he’s hardly infallible.

  190. Interesting’ ¦ABC got complaints, but not an unusual amount for a show like the AMAs and not a whole lot compared to what they term ‘PR disasters’ 

    Lol

    So it didn’t even work in terms of ‘creating a huge outrage’ either.

    Maybe everyone else is as bored of the s&m angle as I am; or at least so used to it that it doesn’t shock anymore.

    Which leaves just the song and the performance.

    Back to the drawing board RCA.

  191. Simulating a BJ on stage, putting his hands on the crotch of a lady, kissing a dude on network tv at the end of one of the biggest ceremonies of the year will get you press wheter you’re a man or a girl.
    I don’t remember a live performance of a girl simulating a BJ with a man on such a big stage, I guess they would have censured that too.

    If you take the Madonna/Britney action, it was far tamer than that and they got a hell lot of publicity for it, same for Janet’s nipple at the super bowl and she’s a woman.

    So I fail to see how the reaction proves that the american society is homophobic. Furthermore, from what i can understand the kiss with his bandmate was not edited.

  192. Lol

    So it didn’t even work in terms of ‘creating a huge outrage’ either.

    Maybe everyone else is as bored of the s&m angle as I am; or at least so used to it that it doesn’t shock anymore.

    Which leaves just the song and the performance.

    Back to the drawing board RCA.

    Well, not necessarily. It got huge viewership, and few complaints. … They might actually consider that a win-win, I think.

    That article goes on to say this:

    “Meanwhile, all the hype about the star-studded event seems to have paid off. According to preliminary Nielsen ratings, the American Music Awards show saw its best numbers since 2002, with 14.2 million viewers.”

    And a heck of a lot of the pre-show hype was about Adam.

  193. This whole performance smacked of that ‘“ like it was a F*CK YOU to the audience. It didn’t feel fun or campy or sexual, it felt disrespectful and rude.

    Yes, I think this tended to be the most objectionable thing about the whole thing, and the thing that most people felt the most uneasy about, from what I’ve heard and gathered online, on the radio, etc. This was a side of Adam I think we’ve only “sorta” glanced once, ever, and that was during kick-gate on tour, which was unplanned, unscripted, but a more aggressive/sexual/angry take on WLL than he ever gave before.

    In other words, it’s not so much the acts he’s doing, but the attitude, which rubbed viewers, especially a lot of casual fans, the wrong way. It’s hard to say what was the motivation behind it. He could have gone the “playful, sexy” route, and it would have been much more “Adam”, as we’ve seen him before.

    He may have fallen off his game due to nerves, the fall, the sound issues, all of which could have been sorta like “kick-gate” to make him much more angry/aggressive, and less “playful, sexy, fun”. I can so see how they staged FYE coming off way differently, sexual acts and all, if he had approached it with more of that sexy, playful attitude. Hmm, interesting. I really hope some of these up coming interviews touch upon it a little more.

  194. I guess I’ll add my opinion too. lol Just for the record, I’m an Adam fan and Kris isn’t my style at all (nice guy and all, but kinda boring imo).

    I didn’t think it was offensive or anything. He could be naked for all I care. I actually was hoping for a very sexual performance with his bulge all over my tv. BUT 1. he was trying too hard and it ended up being too much and all over the place; it didn’t look interesting or sexy, more like a mess / visual pollution; 2. because of that (and his nerves, I guess) the vocals were BAD. Nobody will lol @ Rihanna because she can’t sing. Everybody knows she can’t sing. But an idol can’t make this type of mistake.

    Remember that video of Adam with two black dancers (his friends) in a gay bar doing bad choreography humping each other? It kinda looked like that. Like an amateur mess. He shouldn’t have tried to do so much stuff in his first big thing after AI, even more considering EVERYBODY knows there is no time to do a lot of rehearsal for awards. Even if it was well planned and not amateur-ish it would be too much for a first timer (and probably his vocals would still be bad because he was nervous imo). His coreographer/producer was an amazing one, I saw people talking about it? Then the guy was on drugs or something. Big, big mistake. Adam is a really intelligent guy, but sometimes he lacks common sense.

  195. My only comment on Adam and his AI performance is that he gave a big fucking finger to American Idol and all its over invested judgmental viewers who are so stuck in finding the next Frank Sinatra or Celine Dione that they wouldn’t know a good entertainer from a circus clown.

    So, everyone have fun watching David Cook perform his New Year’s eve performance in front of the home town crowd at Perchanga where the crossroads of Sun City and Lawrence Welk spend their New Years Eve. And, they will get to watch David Archuletta light up the Christmas skies as he sings Christmas Carols that are also directed at the Geriatric set. And after last night’ ¦.Carrie and Daughtry and Kelly just emphasized how bland and predictable they really are. Watching paint dry is a lot more fun that that. And now Kris gets to take his rightful place amongst the boring and stiff and cookie cutter crap that comes out of American Idol.

    Thanks be that at least one individual has admitted that he ‘used’  American Idol and is smart enough to give it the heave-ho that stupid kareoke show deserves!!

    after last night’s performance, the day may come around, much sooner than one thinks, when lambert will be lucky to attract the attention of the old, bland, boring, predictable geriatric set of fans willing to pay to see him… check that – isn’t that the only demographic he has left… slag sinatra and dion types all you want, these folks are proven sellers and draws, and have what lambert wants, but may never attain, if he continues on the path he laid out for the world to see last night – respect, credibility and longevity… nothing to be easily dismissed as boring, bland or stale, lololol…. in this economic climate , adam nor any other singer with an ounce of common sense should ever be so haughty as to look down their noses at any fans willing to offer their support… jmo.

  196. It feels to me like he’s falling into self-parody at the first available opportunity. Now that he’s let us know that blow-jobs are central to how he wants us to remember him, as much as singing’“I’m curious as to the adjectives that will be used to describe furture performances. Will fans still be calling it shocking, edgy, cutting edge, the 50th time he’s miming getting off on stage?

    Brilliantly written. He doesn’t want to be stereotyped as a gay man…yet his performance is literally the worst stereotype of gay men. It’s all about the music…yet his vocals were the worst I’ve heard from him. Every time he comes out with something weird and OTT, it’s shocking, edgy, pushing the envelope and designed to apparently, punish middle America for being conservative. Where is the line when this all becomes attention seeking behavior, as that giant middle finger at the end of his mediocre performance most certainly was.

  197. Sassycatz wrote:

    Then why didn’t he do it on Idol? Because 1) it wasn’t appropriate and 2) it would’ve jeopardized how far he got on the show.

    You ask this question as if you believe Adam had some choice. Idol is hardly known for its artistic freedom. Besides, Adam was pretty clear in stating his purpose on Idol was to get noticed. He did that with his vocal abilities. I’m sure when it came time to sign on the dotted line with both management and record company some discussion was had about what type of artist Adam wanted to be. Management and the record company are clearly on board.

    On major awards shows that air on broadcast television and attract a cross-section of people of all ages, you tone it down a bit.

    You mean like Eminem did? Or was that bleep fest the result of faulty audio? Eminem is hardly looking to entertain a cross-section of folks. He knows his audience and he knows his appeal. Why should anything be different for Adam? (I wonder if Adam hadn’t upstaged everyone whether the talk of the day would be the sexification of Carrie.) I get that some in the Idol audience feel betrayed, not so much because they were fans of Adam, but because they feel that a mechanism they trusted for turning out G-rated milk toast contestants backfired. Not to worry. After all, Adam didn’t win…yet.

  198. GREAT POST FifthHouseSun ITA!

    On Letterman he will most likely do WWFM. Hear the words on that song after last nights performance: wow! It really ties into reactions he has created.

    YES! I have the FYE album on my iPod while I sit here and noticed the same exact thing regarding Whataya Want From Me.

    “Just don’t give up, I’m working it out… It’s me I’m a freak but thanks for lovin’ me…” Etc.

    I’m over last night, Adam WILL work it out!

  199. But everyone gets an off night.

    Yes, but unfortunately this was not only his first big performance after Idol, but on the AMAs. It would’ve been best to be less ambitious, while practicing this ‘routine’  on the road a bit before sharing it with the rest of us.

    Anyway, I would’ve loved to have seen Simon Cowell’s face after viewing this performance. I still laugh at how he looked when Fantasia performed “Bore Me” on Season 7, and that performance was nothing like Adam’s. It didn’t involve doing anything to anyone else and it was so much fun. I laughed through the entire thing — when I wasn’t shaking my booty along with her — and I wondered if Simon was just putting on an act. If he had that facial expression after Adam’s performance, I would’ve been far more certain it was his true feelings than I was with Fantasia’s.

    Besides, Adam was pretty clear in stating his purpose on Idol was to get noticed. He did that with his vocal abilities.

    What? And getting attention through his vocal abilities isn’t good enough anymore? Sometimes I think this singing thing is too easy for him and he takes it for granted. He thought it was going to be there for him and it wasn’t.

  200. After an OMG moment last night, watched it again, read the blogs and decided that I liked it!! Of course it’s the Adam scandal of the week, but it’s third page news already. Can’t wait to see him on GMA, Letterman and Ellen. He’s a hoot. Whatever!!!!!

    See ya, gotta go out and buy my album.

  201. Well, not necessarily. It got huge viewership, and few complaints. ‘ ¦ They might actually consider that a win-win, I think.

    That article goes on to say this:

    ‘Meanwhile, all the hype about the star-studded event seems to have paid off. According to preliminary Nielsen ratings, the American Music Awards show saw its best numbers since 2002, with 14.2 million viewers.’ 

    And a heck of a lot of the pre-show hype was about Adam.

    People at my job stayed up just to see him, yes a few didn’t like it, but still they stayed up just to see him. I think the low number of complaints is a major win.

  202. ‘Meanwhile, all the hype about the star-studded event seems to have paid off. According to preliminary Nielsen ratings, the American Music Awards show saw its best numbers since 2002, with 14.2 million viewers.’ 

    And a heck of a lot of the pre-show hype was about Adam.

    Yes – just to give him some credit (lol, he deserves it!) I think Adam definitely played a role in the better ratings. A lot of these other acts had already performed recently on the VMAs or CMAs, and weren’t generally rolling out anything new or heavily hyped on the AMAs. Adam, otoh, was in that glorified “what the hell is this newcomer gonna do?” role for the show.

  203. Wut? Anoop was the most condescending character on AI this season. He walks around with a chip on his shoulder and for all his genius, has no common sense.

    Anoop with his backtalk, turned off the judges and the voters too.

    Anoop was the only one that had to be coerced to wear make-up during the Magic Show Ford commercial. Too snooty.
    Anoop wouldn’t pick up the few bras that were thrown to him on stage. He was above that lowly game of interacting with his fans.

    Anoop, the genius, tweeted about finding a gym in LA. Uh, Anoop, there’s probably one on every corner. Anoop, the genius, missed his flight twice; once during the season, once during the show.

    Wow, who’s the one with the chip, sheesh.

    Anoop is very smart though.

  204. If you take the Madonna/Britney action, it was far tamer than that and they got a hell lot of publicity for it, same for Janet’s nipple at the super bowl and she’s a woman.

    Well, one of these was also homosexual (and I don’t see how it was tamer — they were both kisses). And the other was a naked sexual (kinda) part of the body.

    Nothing naked on the stage last night. And as for the simulated sex, I swear, we see this kind of simulated stuff *all* the time in straight people’s performances, and we don’t even notice…. because we aren’t sensitized to be freaked out by heterosexual sex acts. We *are* at a subconscious level (I’d argue) still freaked out by gay male sex acts, so we react to all of them …. If we weren’t, that *kiss* wouldn’t keep being brought up. Because that was just a kiss — in other words, it was *nothing.* And yet, somehow, in this performance, it became a big issue — even thought to perhaps call down an obscenity fine!!

  205. Yo, what’s with the put downs of Anoop? Anoop rules.

    The worst thing about the suit is that since we saw at least three guys who most likely have consulting stylists wearing it at the AMAs, that means it’s probably the new trend, and now we’re going to be seeing it everywhere. ‘ ¦. It looks like a bad wedding or prom tuxedo from 1978, to me. Not a good fashion trend!

    Yes, it was in shockingly bad taste. lol

  206. The worst thing about the suit is that since we saw at least three guys who most likely have consulting stylists wearing it at the AMAs, that means it’s probably the new trend, and now we’re going to be seeing it everywhere. ‘ ¦. It looks like a bad wedding or prom tuxedo from 1978, to me. Not a good fashion trend!

    Yes, it was in shockingly bad taste. lol

    I have to say out of Kris, Perez and Blake, Kris’ gray and black was the better of the three, then Perez’s.

  207. …… Kris Allen performance on Ellen!!! Can’t wait !!! From the promo, looked like he performed acoustic!!!

  208. Compared to all the effing sex on daytime TV, Adams show looked like a Disney show. I picked up my CD at WalMart, and FYI, there were less of Adams than any, close to Kris, now I dont know when they restock mind you, there were tons of Carrie, and SuBo, was shoved on the bottom rack, full of them. And I live in a podunk town, and the WalMart crowd, is well you can guess. Why did I scan the checkout people before I took my CD in my hot little hand to pay for it.

    I hope I can get up enough courage to watch Adam from last nite again, it saved, but still nervous.

  209. So 14 million Americans tuned in to see an awards show, solely because Adam Lambert’s performance was hyped in the media. An awards show where some of the biggest names in the industry at the moment – from all genres – were gathered together in one show.

    Right.

  210. I love Anoop. I think that he is a very smart and talented guy. He is one of my favorite voices from this season, and I think has the best tone out of all of the contestants this season. Him and Danny are my favorite contestants from this year.

  211. Seeker
    11/23/2009 at 3:39 pm
    ‘ ¦’ ¦ Kris Allen performance on Ellen!!! Can’t wait !!! From the promo, looked like he performed acoustic!!!

    That was today?!! I keep getting the dates confused! Yay! Acoustic Kris!

    Oh yeah, gotta say I thought he looked very handsome last night although I preferred the TWYLT grey suit.

  212. Squirrely
    11/23/2009 at 3:44 pm
    What is Letterman’s normal viewership, anyone know?

    It was up a while back because of his competition (Conan!…ha)

  213. Just saw on USA today that these AMA’s has the best ratings sinse 2002 – 14.2 million!! I guess, ABC network knew exactly what they’re getting, so I feel no pitty for them. And Adam’s performance, however imperfect, was spot-on. This is him, this is a new star, undeniably out there and fearless. His and LG’s performances were the only ones worth watching. Sorry, but Kelly looked and sounded like her grandmother… I’m sure that tastes are differ, but I’m so happy that there’s more to American music then Taylor, Kelly, etc. Not that this is anything wrong with it…

  214. Also…I think it’s funny that everyone (including himself) keeps comparing Adam to Prince and David Bowie. He’s That Guy From Idol Whose CD Is Barely Out, not an icon of music for decades.

  215. Its too bad Adam isn’t on Letterman tonight — could have been hilarious in the aftermath of last night….maybe the lyrics of Aftermath were prophetic?

  216. Dave’s viewership is also up because he cheated on his now-wife then girlfriend several times with several members of staff :)

  217. Also’ ¦I think it’s funny that everyone (including himself) keeps comparing Adam to Prince and David Bowie. He’s That Guy From Idol Whose CD Is Barely Out, not an icon of music for decades

    .

    I think the point is that these guys were doing these types of things at the beginning of their careers as well — prince and bowie weren’t always Prince and Bowie, if you know what i mean ….and they were controversial from the get go

  218. So 14 million Americans tuned in to see an awards show, solely because Adam Lambert’s performance was hyped in the media. An awards show where some of the biggest names in the industry at the moment ‘“ from all genres ‘“ were gathered together in one show.

    Right.

    Uh, I don’t think anyone said Adam was solely responsible for everyone watching, just that he was one of the more hyped (by TPTB) and “different” (as in, the whole “what’s he gonna do?”) acts of the show. Hence the pimp spot, the announcer pimping throughout, etc.

  219. If Adam peformed “better” last night, do you think his two albums would be in the top five instead of top ten?

  220. I think the point is that these guys were doing these types of things at the beginning of their careers as well ‘” prince and bowie weren’t always Prince and Bowie, if you know what i mean ‘ ¦.and they were controversial from the get go

    I know what you mean. I still think it’s awfully presumptuous.

  221. “Well, not necessarily. It got huge viewership, and few complaints. ‘ ¦ They might actually consider that a win-win, I think.”

    “People at my job stayed up just to see him, yes a few didn’t like it, but still they stayed up just to see him. I think the low number of complaints is a major win.”

    ITA. A miniscule percentage of viewers complained here – about 1/100th of 1%. If the performance was such a problem for Adam and was going to hurt his sales, I’d expect to see a much bigger negative reaction.

  222. Its too bad Adam isn’t on Letterman tonight ‘” could have been hilarious in the aftermath of last night’ ¦.maybe the lyrics of Aftermath were prophetic?

    Lol – it occured to me that it is now a bad omen to go on a late night talk show right after being on an awards show – e.g. Kanye. Adam was sorta the Kanye of the AMAs (the most controversial, though not as bad, imo, as Kanye).

  223. I have to say out of Kris, Perez and Blake, Kris’ gray and black was the better of the three, then Perez’s.

    The response on twitter to how Kris looked was basically: “hot” or “cute”. I thought he looked good, though he never really looks bad. It wasn’t my favorite thing I ever saw him wear, but he rocked the look; he wore the suit, the suit didn’t wear him. Perez had a similar suit/tux? I didn’t notice. The dude is not attractive. Blake was wearing what looked like a blue school blazer and chinos, or white ducks, or something. He looked like he was going punting on the Thames. Not a good look for Blake. Though I usually think he has a fun sense of style.

  224. Slightly OT, but I’m happy to see Lady GaGa at #1 on all the major iTunes charts – Singles, Albums, Videos. Good for her and well deserved, she was the most entertaining thing about the AMAs for me, and the most entertaining pop artist right now in general.

  225. If the performance was such a problem for Adam and was going to hurt his sales, I’d expect to see a much bigger negative reaction.

    But if the point of the performance was to attract (more) huge attention, via controversy, then it was a huge failure.

    Unless, of course, everyone was blown away by the song and performance…

    Who knows, maybe they were.

  226. Well, one of these was also homosexual (and I don’t see how it was tamer ‘” they were both kisses). And the other was a naked sexual (kinda) part of the body.

    The Britney/Madonna kiss part was glamour, it was a gentle kiss. Adam’s was an angry one, “let me stick my tongue into your mouth” kind of kiss

    And it’s not particularly the kiss in itself that was tamer, I was talking about the performance as a whole, Adam performance seemed pack full of very explicit sexual acts.

    Nothing naked on the stage last night. And as for the simulated sex, I swear, we see this kind of simulated stuff *all* the time in straight people’s performances, and we don’t even notice’ ¦. because we aren’t sensitized to be freaked out by heterosexual sex acts. We *are* at a subconscious level (I’d argue) still freaked out by gay male sex acts, so we react to all of them ‘ ¦. If we weren’t, that *kiss* wouldn’t keep being brought up. Because that was just a kiss ‘” in other words, it was *nothing.* And yet, somehow, in this performance, it became a big issue ‘” even thought to perhaps call down an obscenity fine!!

    What act do you remember doing simulated oral sex on a live performance in such a big stage?
    It looks like you have tons of exemple in mind and I can’t really remember any.
    And I disagree with you that the kiss was the main issue, it was not even edited when they broadcasted it in the west coast, it was the bj scene that was.

  227. Adam, Tommy and Monte at Letterman. Monte tweeted it was freezing in there

    http://pic.gd/4179eb

    They look great! I wish they were getting interviewed too.

    Oh, man! That’s right, no interview :-( Aww, I bet Letterman would LOVE to interview Adam too, considering the controversy. Darn it. Wonder if he could adjust his timing for the show (like cut out some monologue material) to talk to Adam for a few minutes.

  228. If Adam peformed ‘better’  last night, do you think his two albums would be in the top five instead of top ten?

    I don’t, because I don’t think a one-off performance by a performer people aren’t familiar with is going to trigger immediate album buying, even if it’s a perfect, fabulous, universally acclaimed performance.

    I think a one-off performance generally puts the person in the back of the average music buyer’s mind as somebody they may be interested in buying an album from in a bit, after they’ve heard a little more of their stuff. But to rush right out and buy an album on the basis of one performance — even a great one? I doubt that happens very often …. Hence the importance of radio play, where buying is spurred because when a song gets on the radio, you don’t just hear it once. You keep hearing it, and eventually it may become a must-have.

    I don’t think that even the Susan Boyle buyers are buying on the basis of a one-off performance (even though she hasn’t actually given that many performances). I’ll bet that most of the buyers watched the Youtube video of I Dreamed a Dream quite few times before the thought “I want to buy her album” crystallized in most of their brains.

  229. “I have to say out of Kris, Perez and Blake, Kris’ gray and black was the better of the three.”
    ITA, that suit fit Kris verrrrry nicely. (shallow moment, excuse me)

  230. I have to say out of Kris, Perez and Blake, Kris’ gray and black was the better of the three, then Perez’s.

    yeah, I agree. By a long shot, actually. Kris definitely had the best taste in the bad suit…. That doesn’t surprise me, I must say. I think Kris generally has good taste and Perez has awful taste…. and Blake has awful taste *on* *purpose*

  231. The response on twitter to how Kris looked was basically: ‘hot’  or ‘cute’ . I thought he looked good, though he never really looks bad. It wasn’t my favorite thing I ever saw him wear, but he rocked the look; he wore the suit, the suit didn’t wear him. Perez had a similar suit/tux? I didn’t notice. The dude is not attractive. Blake was wearing what looked like a blue school blazer and chinos, or white ducks, or something. He looked like he was going punting on the Thames. Not a good look for Blake. Though I usually think he has a fun sense of style.

    I lumped those three because of the piping/trim or whatever you call it, style to their outfits.

  232. I didn’t see this posted. Half hour breakdowns for the AMAs from Marc Berman of Media Week:

    Over at ABC, The 2009 American Music Awards averaged a hefty 14.16 million viewers and a 5.5/14 among adults 18-49 from 8-11 p.m., building by noticeable 1.96 million viewers and eight percent in the demo from the comparable year-ago evening (viewers: 12.20 million; A18-49: 5.1/12 on Nov. 23, 2008).

    Here is the half-hour breakdown:

    2009 American Music Awards (ABC)

    8:00 p.m. ‘“ Viewers: 12.00 million (#3); A18-49: 4.3/11 (#2)
    8:30 p.m. ‘“ Viewers: 13.65 million (#2); A18-49: 4.9/12 (#2)
    9:00 p.m. ‘“ Viewers: 15.45 million (#1); A18-49: 5.9/14 (#1)
    9:30 p.m. ‘“ Viewers: 15.67 million (#1); A18-49: 6.3/15 (#1)
    10:00 p.m. ‘“ Viewers: 15.18 million (#1); A18-49: 6.1/15 (#1)
    10:30 p.m. ‘“ Viewers: 13.03 million (#2); A18-49: 5.3/14 (#2)

    It seems like the ratings followed the normal pattern of peaking from 9-10 PM.

    Also Ellen Degeneres posted a really cute video called “Meet Carrie Underwood’s Dog”.

  233. I think I need to get off the computer but before I do, Adam was not cute last night, fierce is okay, but he just looked plain ‘ole mean. Maybe he was actually angry? You never know… Already pissed off and then he fell which would have added fuel to the fire and this not helping his vocals…? I’m not going to judge him too harshly based on one night.

    Just wondering but he seemed polar opposite of the usual Adam. And flipping off the audience at the end? I can’t imagine why he would do that unless he really was mad. He has been under a lot of pressure and maybe it just got to be too much. He has had more hype than any other Idol but he’s also had to put up with more crap than any other Idol.

  234. What act do you remember doing simulated oral sex on a live performance in such a big stage?
    It looks like there have tons of exemple in mind and I can’t really remember any

    The problem is that by reacting to this stuff, people are 100% playing into the hands of the media and the publicists.

    They want people to get upset by this. They want people to react. Lambert’s little, ‘It’s because I am gay’ tirade was all part of the game. They knew that the more explicit stuff would be cut: they’d probably already all discussed it.

    It’s all a set up: like I said earlier, RCA, Lambert and the media are one big Pied Piper piping their tune.

    It’s all so calculated, it’s pathetic. The only shocking thing is that they get away with it and no-one (or hardly anyone) calls them out.

    Which is why it makes me laugh that there were hardly any complaints, relative to the kind of show it is.

    That said, the album is better than all of this bs – it’s a pity they don’t just put a bit more faith into their product and stop all of this crap,

  235. From HDD:

    BOYLE-ING OVER? Steve Barnett and his Team Columbia may have the season’s big surprise record on their hands with Susan Boyle’s I Dreamed a Dream, as preorder reports from Amazon and QVC are shaping up to catapult first-week sales into the 3-400k range. What will tomorrow’s retail picture look like? Stay tuned to this Bat channel for all the scuttlebutt. (11/23a)

    I hope those people enjoy their new coasters. Meow!

  236. And I disagree with you that the kiss was the main issue,

    Yeah, I agree that the fellatio scene was the big issue for the network, which makes sense to me. For the other, I’m just going on the comments of viewers, a whole lot of whom seem to focus on the kiss.

    When the women rub themselves on stuff and moan, including on poles — which they do all the time — that’s simulated sex, isn’t it? I mean, the only difference is that men have a large thing out front that people have to rub, whereas women have a small thing that can be rubbed in a lot more subtle-looking way and still accomplish the exact same end — i.e., that orgasm that they’re moaning about. I’m amazed that nobody sees sex in the female performances.

    Yeah, they don’t use dildos — which would be the visual equivalent of the blow job, I would think — but that’s because they’re fully dressed and because clitoral orgasms are as much the deal for many women, and even more of a deal for some, than penetration …. And everybody’s humping poles and such all over the place. … I mean, if you’re simulating orgasmic activity on stage, why is that not considered showing a sexual act on stage?

  237. Diane, Kris’ performance will be aired on the 24th. My comment was based on the promo I saw. I just checked Ellen’s site, says 24th.

  238. Adam, Tommy and Monte at Letterman. Monte tweeted it was freezing in there

    http://pic.gd/4179eb

    They look great! I wish they were getting interviewed too.

    Oh, man! That’s right, no interview Aww, I bet Letterman would LOVE to interview Adam too, considering the controversy. Darn it. Wonder if he could adjust his timing for the show (like cut out some monologue material) to talk to Adam for a few minutes.

    The only singers who get interviews are superstars. Even Carrie U. only sang, and I’ve never known any idols who got interviews. Did Kris already go on Letterman?

  239. After all, Adam didn’t win’ ¦yet.

    If he keeps singing like last night, he won’t ever. Horrible

  240. I just finished watching the Merlin where Arthur kills the unicorn and it reminded me SOOOOOOOOOOO much of Adam and this whole situation it freaked me out big time!!!

    Arthur and Uther didn’t appreciate the unicorn’s majestic beauty and how special it was because it was different but their hatred came back around to them and ruined their kingdom and it was only after the unicorn in all his wisdom taught Arthur to sacrifice himself for Merlin that everything was OK again.

    Adam is exactly like that!!! Beautiful, majestic, and magical, and people hate him for that but eventually he shows them that a man loving another man is beautiful and their hearts will be opened up and maybe they can experience true, selfless love like Arthur has for Merlin and Adam has for everyone!!

    OMG Adam should totally be on Merlin! He would be perfect!! He could be like a glam sorcerer that uses his fierceness to convince Uther to allow magic in Camelot again!! That would be so awesum!!! PLEEEEZE BBC put Adam on Merlin!!!

  241. What is Letterman’s normal viewership, anyone know?

    14 mil.
    Ish.

    Actually, Letterman’s ratings are more like 4 million, not 14. See this article about Letterman’s ratings in recent weeks.

  242. Lambert’s little, ‘It’s because I am gay’ tirade

    Adam didn’t give a tirade that it was because he was gay…he argued that it was because he was a man…that a man (gay, straight, bi, whatever) can’t get away with the same sexuality in a performance that a woman can…..

  243. Will the sales for this week count from all countries or just the US?

  244. Great! BFFs?

    I thought we were already’ ¦

    Absolutely – I just wanted to confirm, no hard feelings :-)

  245. What puzzles me about Adam’s soapbox stance on discrimination against male artists is there is a long list of male singers and rappers who have been simulating sex and doing degrading things to women onstage and on cable for years. One, does Adam really think Eminem, R Kelly, Marilyn Manson and others have walked around for years feeling neutered of their sexuality? Two, does Adam not know the difference between cable and network tv??

    Also, if his true objection is about male artists in general, why did he say he didn’t want to “get political but”? Is male discrimination a hot button political issue I’m unaware of or is Adam developing a pattern of talking from both sides of his mouth?

  246. Neal scares family friendly camera people

    Nobody puts Neal in a corner!

    LOL, exactly. ~Grabs Neal fing Tiemann by the hand and pulls him into the camera frame, while the band breaks into Time Of My Life~ (Actually, I think it was just an issue of camera logistics. Most of the sweeping camera shots seemed to come from stage right, or is that left…okay, stage Andy, whichever that is.)

    Hehe, sorry. I more meant with this one performance. I figured she wouldn’t be there if Michael hadn’t just died. IDK =)

    Hee, seriously, so what you’re sayin bout Janet, really, is that she used to have a kickass career. But what has she done for you lately? Whoa oh oh oh oh yeah… (Don’t judge. Janet was my first girl crush. Ms. Jackson if you’re nasty.)

    Maturin word to your entire post, btw. You said what I’ve been trying to say last night, but much more eloquently.

  247. Absolutely ‘“ I just wanted to confirm, no hard feelings :-)

    nope :)

  248. Will the sales for this week count from all countries or just the US?

    Sales are reported country by country. It seems to be darned hard to find out the actual sales numbers in another country than the one you live in.

    There are Billboard charts and such for each country that you can see that give rankings for songs, but trying to total up the current sales internationally seems to be beyond the capabilities of … just about anybody, so far as I can tell…. International sales totals tend to come out only way down the line — and when they do a lot of people tend to argue that they’re wrong.

  249. Hee, seriously, so what you’re sayin bout Janet, really, is that she used to have a kickass career.

    Yes. Mwahahaha.

  250. Slightly OT, but I’m happy to see Lady GaGa at #1 on all the major iTunes charts ‘“ Singles, Albums, Videos. Good for her and well deserved, she was the most entertaining thing about the AMAs for me, and the most entertaining pop artist right now in general.

    ITA – that’s why I’d love to see Gaga take on some mentorship role with Adam. She has great instincts, and could help him use his assets without feeling he has to completely cross the line. I feel she does an awesome job of toeing that line without completely crossing it, shocking, but never completely being completely inaccessible.

  251. What puzzles me about Adam’s soapbox stance on discrimination against male artists is there is a long list of male singers and rappers who have been simulating sex and doing degrading things to women onstage and on cable for years. One, dies Adam really think Eminem, R Kelly, Marilyn Manson and others have walked around for years feeling neutered of their sexuality? Two, does Adam not know the difference between cable and network tv??

    Also, if his true objection is about male artists in general, why did he say he didn’t want to ‘get political but’ ? Is male discrimination a hot button political issue I’m unaware of or is Adam developing a pattern of talking from both sides of his mouth?

    I think he’s a young gay man trying to do what no gay man has really done before, and what he thinks and what he says and what he intends are confused and getting all tangled up. … And the public reactions to what he says and does and intends are equally tangled.

    I interpret the “it’s discrimination against men” thing as his way of trying *not* to say — “It’s discrimination against gays” because he sort of wants to think that it’s *not* discrimination against gay men mainly and maybe because he doesn’t want Aaron Hicklin to have been right so soon after their dispute! … But, as you say, I can’t imagine that he hasn’t seen the explicit, even violent stuff that a lot of the rappers and others have come out with over the years.

  252. Anoop may be boring, but he doesn’t condescend upon fans for not ‘getting it’  and imply we are sad behind-the-times individuals.

    Maybe because there isn’t anything to get about Anoop.

  253. I think that the media and Adam want to think it is all about the kiss. Who cares about the kiss? It was the BJ that was the issue with everyone that I know. That is not acceptable regardless of who’s doing it on stage – man/woman woman/woman man/man. That is the issue. The kiss was nothing but by using that they can all cry foul. The BJ was totally inappropriate for a music awards show on regular tv. And 10pm is not that late – what parent would think their 10-14 year-old who loves music was going to get a soft-porn lesson?

  254. im sure this was probably posted?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091123/ap_en_mu/us_tv_lambert

    ABC says it has received complaints on Lambert

    NEW YORK ‘“ ABC says more than 1,500 people have called to complain about Adam Lambert’s sexually charged performance at the American Music Awards.

    The network characterized the response as “moderate.” Before his performance, Lambert said that he wanted to break down a double standard that existed where female performers are often sexually provocative while men don’t do it that often.

    There were also hostile comments online about the “American Idol” glam rocker who sang his new song “For Your Entertainment” on Sunday’s show with an elaborate, S&M-themed production. Lambert fondled a dancer, led another around on a leash, had a dancer briefly stick his head in Lambert’s crotch and kissed a man.

    from associated press

  255. The only singers who get interviews are superstars. Even Carrie U. only sang, and I’ve never known any idols who got interviews. Did Kris already go on Letterman?

    True – but the bottom line is Letterman wants the ratings. To be able to sell an “Adam Lambert interview” about the AMAs, just two days after, would be like Leno’s Kanye “get”. Carrie doesn’t usually have the nightly scandals to rank high on the “sit down with Letterman to chat it up” list. Though that’s not to say she doesn’t kick butt with everything else.

  256. Adam didn’t give a tirade that it was because he was gay’ ¦he argued that it was because he was a man’ ¦that a man (gay, straight, bi, whatever) can’t get away with the same sexuality in a performance that a woman can’ ¦..

    Uh-huh – well admittedly, I didn’t watch it: I’m going on what people have said.

    I suspect that the implication is that it was male on male action that was cut, but I might be wrong.

    The point remains the same.

    The performance was calculated to shock and planned to shock and – IMO – when something has been done by plenty of artists before you, well established, highly successful artists and you are a new artist, straight off a reality TV show, it comes off as both derivative and pointless.

    There was nothing new here – apart from the fact that this was man on man action.

    It was a deliberate attempt to stir up a huge outrage/controversy, positioning Lambert in the eye of an, even bigger, media hurricane, hoping that the allusions to previous media storms, surrounding huge, well established acts, would pull Lambert into the public consciousness as being a similar kind of act, IMO.

    And, personally, I loathe that kind of thing.

    If he’s gone on the AMAs and pulled off a great vocal performance or a great song, little green eyed monsters would be jumping around in my head, but logically, I would have had to admit he deserved the hype.

    This – this is just cynical, empty, meaningless posturing for attention on behalf of the record company and managers behind Lambert and I despise it: not Lambert, please note – the industry.

  257. Guys!!?? IDGI’ ¦ What’s all this negative Anoop talk!!??

    Sorry.. Most of the regs here now I’m an Anoop fan, so whenever I say something about Adam, the first thing out of their mouth is “yeah, well, look at Anoop..”

  258. Guys!!?? IDGI’ ¦ What’s all this negative Anoop talk!!??

    Didn’t you hear that Anoop…

    J/K – long story, only tangentially relevant. Think I brought it up first. Adam rollercoaster getting me all worked up ;-)

  259. Did Kris already go on Letterman?

    Kris did Conan, not Letterman. Is Adam doing Conan?

  260. I think that the media and Adam want to think it is all about the kiss. Who cares about the kiss? It was the BJ that was the issue with everyone that I know. That is not acceptable regardless of who’s doing it on stage ‘“ man/woman woman/woman man/man. That is the issue. The kiss was nothing but by using that they can all cry foul. The BJ was totally inappropriate for a music awards show on regular tv. And 10pm is not that late ‘“ what parent would think their 10-14 year-old who loves music was going to get a soft-porn lesson?

    Well, I hope that you’re right. But I must say that I’ve read some things on here today and elsewhere that make it seem to me that the kiss is looming large in a lot of people’s minds even though they may not realize it or be admitting it to themselves… Maybe I’m reading in, though!

    I agree personally about the blow job. But, honestly, looking at that musical lineup for last night, I would have been very hesitant to let a kid watch it because it seems to me that a lot of people on there were capable of doing sexual gyrations and such that I’m not sure kids should be watching, in part just *because* watching them on there can make kids think the stuff is acceptable for *them* to ape.

    I tend to think that the very “subtle” sex stuff, like Miley’s pole dance, is actually worse for kids than the harder stuff, because that kind of stuff *seems* non-sexual to kids, and I can see them easily copying it without even realizing that it’s about sex. That, actually, is what worries me more — just as I’m worried more by six year olds being sold micro-bikinis, and such.

    I think that if you know it’s sex — and with Adam’s stuff I don’t think even a young kid would be a much doubt that they’re watching something kind of extreme — then, as a kid, you’re a lot less likely to go there, whereas if the action or the clothing or whatever is only so subtly sexual that, as a young kid, you think it’s *cool*, then you’re very likely to copy it and risk trouble for yourself and also slowly push society in the direction of having all entertainment be all soft porn all the time …. I know from numerous previous conversations on this blog and elsewhere on the Internet and in real life, that I may literally be the only person who thinks this, however.

  261. When the women rub themselves on stuff and moan, including on poles ‘” which they do all the time ‘” that’s simulated sex, isn’t it? I mean, the only difference is that men have a large thing out front that people have to rub, whereas women have a small thing that can be rubbed in a lot more subtle-looking way and still accomplish the exact same end ‘” i.e., that orgasm that they’re moaning about. I’m amazed that nobody sees sex in the female performances.

    Yeah, they don’t use dildos ‘” which would be the visual equivalent of the blow job, I would think ‘” but that’s because they’re fully dressed and because clitoral orgasms are as much the deal for many women, and even more of a deal for some, than penetration ‘ ¦. And everybody’s humping poles and such all over the place. ‘ ¦ I mean, if you’re simulating orgasmic activity on stage, why is that not considered showing a sexual act on stage?

    You had Shakira, Fergie, Rihanna, J. Lopez, N. Furtado and Lady Gaga all there last night.
    Female artists who have a fame for using their sex appeal in their performances and no one came nearly close to the degree of sexual explicit content their was in Adam’s performance.

  262. So ABC is only reporting moderate amounts of complaining from viewers? Oh well Adam. Better luck next time. I guess you’ll have to go back to the drawing board and figure out how to be offensive enough to inspire a mountain of complaints.

  263. I wonder if Barbara Walters changed her mind about including Adam in her ten most fascinating people of 2009.

  264. Do you guys remember our discussion on Friday, about how Adam would likely not even stand out from Sunday’s show based on the heavy hitters he was going up against. Hmm, I just thought about that and found it amusing.

    For better or worse, he certainly succeeded in sticking out from the heavy hitters.

  265. So ABC is only reporting moderate amounts of complaining from viewers? Oh well Adam. Better luck next time. I guess you’ll have to go back to the drawing board and figure out how to be offensive enough to inspire a mountain of complaints.

    Or maybe it means that, as usual, Idol fans get way way way more bent out of shape or thrilled or whatever the emotions of the moment are about Idols’ behavior than anybody else in the real world does about the exact same behavior.

    Just a thought.

  266. Sorry.. Most of the regs here now I’m an Anoop fan, so whenever I say something about Adam, the first thing out of their mouth is ‘yeah, well, look at Anoop..’ 

    There are plenty of things that could be said about Adam’s performance last night. But when you call him condescending in comparison to Anoop, the most condescending character of the season (for the reasons listed in my previous post), you will certainly get a response.

  267. I wonder if Barbara Walters changed her mind about including Adam in her ten most fascinating people of 2009.

    Did she say something on the view?

  268. I wonder if Barbara Walters changed her mind about including Adam in her ten most fascinating people of 2009.

    Did she say something on the view?

    She gave the date of the special (Dec 9 or something) and that he would be on it…NO ONE is cancelling his appearances….they will get good ratings

  269. “But if the point of the performance was to attract (more) huge attention, via controversy, then it was a huge failure.”

    HUH? EVERYONE is talking about this today in news stories and on blogs, boards, twitter. Have you seen how many opinion polls there are? This whole thing is a big debate about whether the performance was too raunchy, “pornographic,” or great as an expression of free thinking, a push in the right direction for the future of music, etc. It’s become a public dispute concerning a matter of opinion. That’s what controversy is.

    My point is that only a tiny percentage of people were outraged enough to call/email ABC, so I doubt Adam’s sales will be impacted by that. People were talking about the 1500 complaints as though they were really bad for Adam’s future and I don’t think so. I do, in fact, think they illustrate that the performance is controversial and that might be a good thing ‘cuz it’s getting his name out there and drawing “huge attention” to him.

  270. I get that some in the Idol audience feel betrayed, not so much because they were fans of Adam, but because they feel that a mechanism they trusted for turning out G-rated milk toast contestants backfired. Not to worry. After all, Adam didn’t win’ ¦yet.

    It’s easy to write off all the previous contestants in eight seasons as milquetoast, but it’s hardly an apt description. Fantasia, Jennifer Hudson, Daughtry, Melinda Doolittle, David Cook, Carly Smithson, Allison Iraheta–there have been lots of Idol contestants who had plenty of edge on and off Idol. Most haven’t gone out of their way, however, to give a big, honkin’ f*ck you to the folks who didn’t “get” them.

  271. You have a point Lucy, but I suspect Adam was counting on creating a major controversy far outside the AI bubble. A show watched by millions only generated 1500 anti-Adam complaints? Sounds like Adam wasn’t as offensive as he hoped. Maybe, like many of us, the rest of the country just found it sloppy, silly, and poorly executed.

  272. The performance was supposed to propell FYE the single (and the album) up the charts. The single is exactly where is was last night on iTunes.I think the album would be where it is regardless of the AMA. It’s about where Kris’ album was the same day it dropped.

    So maybe Adam didn’t lose sales but I’m not seeing a big plus from the performance either. So for sales it seems kind of netural.

  273. You had Shakira, Fergie, Rihanna, J. Lopez, N. Furtado and Lady Gaga all there last night.
    Female artists who have a fame for using their sex appeal in their performances and no one came nearly close to the degree of sexual explicit content their was in Adam’s performance.

    Well, Gaga wasn’t doing just a sex song.

    And they don’t do it every time. I can’t speak to all of last night because I didn’t watch the whole show.

    But my contention is that what the women are doing — and if they didn’t do it last night, all of the ones you mention *hvae* done it, plenty of times, on stages including on tv — *is* just as overtly sexual, but we don’t notice it in the same way because we’re so used to seeing it and so much less freaked out by women’s writhing and moaning that we simply don’t categorize it as sexual.

    Okay, I’ll go back to the Paris Bennett Season Five tour dance, which copied Beyonce. Both Paris and Beyonce were frigging *humping* a chair. Humping the chair big time. …. Paris was humping it in front of a crowd of 10-year-old girls who may well have seen her as a cool, teen role model. …

    But I know from experience that Idol fans absolutely do not see what Paris did as simulated sex. And they absolutely see it as no threat at all to 10-year-olds who, I know from experience, *will* copy that kind of thing and do it thinking they’re adorable and not even knowing that what they’re doing *is* sex!

    I believe that anthropologists from another culture or from Mars or something would see Beyonce’s and Paris’s chair humping as pretty much identical — in the female form, perhaps in the non-dom form — to the elements of Adam’s performance, only his was the male version, and the dom version. In my opinion, his is surprising and unusual for us, for a couple of reasons (guy, and gay), and thus we notice it like crazy — because we’re set up to notice unusual visual stimuli. And meanwhile we simply write off the women’s as *nothing* — in fact we don’t even see their sexual actions because we’re so used to them and because we perceive the women as *way* less threatening to us — in every way — than a man, a dom-my man, and a gay man.

    I’m not saying this in hopes of convincing you. I’m just laying out my theory. My sense is that virtually nobody is going to see it my way simply because everybody’s so caught up in the societal assumptions that I’ve mentioned that they literally don’t see what’s going on in front of their eyes when the women perform.

  274. I thought the kiss was hot. I guess that makes me a weird one..

    Um no, because so did I! Why Tommy have to be straight, he and Adam look damn good together.

  275. I hardly see anyone complaining about the kiss in this thread. If they do, they are talking about the aggressiveness of the kiss, not the fact that it was between two men. Hell, I haven’t seen the show recently, but Brothers and Sisters is all about men kissing. But its not about aggression, it’s about love.

    As far as the simulated blow job being the same as “dirty dancing” and pole dancing, I think there are degrees, especially on network television. I would also be questioning the judgement of a simulated blow job if it was a woman who’s face Adam shoved against his crotch. I would similarly question the judgement of a man or woman’s face shoved into a woman’s crotch. I think it all crosses the line of what should be acceptable on network tv, on a show that doesn’t carry warnings.

    Plus, in the end, the singing, which is what it should be about, was just not good.

  276. wow, my local rock oriented station just added TFM

    * WRCH-FM Pub 5 AC Hartford RCA/RMG CBS Radio 50 11/23/2009 5:59:00 AM

    And

    WWFM just added 2 more stations today:

    KVLY-FM Pub 1 Hot AC McAllen RCA/RCAMG Entravision Communications Company LLC 58 11/23/2009 9:28:00 AM
    WHTZ-FM Pub 17 Top 40 New York RCA/RCAMG Clear Channel Communications 1 11/18/2009 10:05:00 AM
    * WPLJ-FM Pub 14 Hot AC New York RCA/RCAMG Citadel Communications Corp. 1 11/23/2009 5:59:00 AM

    Gut says WWFM is gonna bit huge hit!

  277. People were talking about the 1500 complaints as though they were really bad for Adam’s future and I don’t think so.

    Well, since ABC said that they only consider it bad pr when they get 10-plus times that many, I think you’re on to something there.

  278. Squirrely
    11/23/2009 at 4:28 pm
    I wonder if Barbara Walters changed her mind about including Adam in her ten most fascinating people of 2009.

    Did she say something on the view?

    I think someone here posted that Shepard, Elisabeth and Barbara disapproved of Adam’s performance last night.

  279. Plus, in the end, the singing, which is what is should be about, was just not good.

    I totally agree with this. …

    However, while i didn’t see the whole show, I thought there were singing problems with everybody I saw who was dancing around …. To me, just more proof, as if more were needed, that trying to dance your ass off and run up and down stairs and perform choreography while singing isn’t a great idea if you want to sing well.

  280. It was a deliberate attempt to stir up a huge outrage/controversy, positioning Lambert in the eye of an, even bigger, media hurricane, hoping that the allusions to previous media storms, surrounding huge, well established acts, would pull Lambert into the public consciousness as being a similar kind of act, IMO.

    And, personally, I loathe that kind of thing.

    That’s exactly what I think, and I also think the OUT “controversy” and all the other little tempests in teapots were exactly the same thing. My hypothesis is that Adam’s handlers have a marketing plan wherein buzz of any kind (good, bad, indifferent) is at the top of the list. So they’re manufacturing it any way they can, and then they build on that initial hype to get the Rolling Stone cover and then leverage the RS cover to get the Details and OUT shoots and then leverage the controvery over those to get the AMA gig and the Baba Wawa gig and… On and on. If Adam were just a good singer who happened to be gay do you think he would’ve gotten the AMA slot or Baba Wawa? Nope. It had to be “guy who can’t admit he’s gay [even though everybody already knew it] until the show is over” and “guy who may be bicurious and poses with naked ladies” and “guy who’s into whips and chains and Great Danes” and now “Nazi leather and leashes and blow jobs on stage,” each thing fueling some sort of controversy and outrage and Adam pitching a hissy and getting all outraged and indignant about how he just needs to be himself and if you can’t love his on-stage blow jobs, then you can just go fuck yourself. And then people are choosing sides and getting all indignant either on his behalf or because they think he’s a major tool, and guess what? The buzz just keeps getting buzzier.

    And here I am, contributing to the phenomenon by commenting on it. Ah, fame whoredom. Always a slippery slope. Cause if you get all mad and spit about Jon and Kate needing to be blasted off in a rocket to Mars and never seen on Earth again, you have just added to the Jon and Kate dialogue, after all.

  281. Was Lambert’s AMA Romp Too Much?

    LOL, at Tommy “seems to be female”. Half these reviews didn’t even get that it was a guy he was devouring.
    “androgyny — rock and roll”

  282. well, there would have been more complaints if they had not deleted the bj from the West coast and a good part of the mid-west. So it was essentially eastern time that got the real show and the complaints stem from that area. The rest aren’t complaining because it was bleeped.

  283. So it was essentially eastern time that got the real show and the complaints stem from that area. The rest aren’t complaining because it was bleeped.

    Well, eastern and central — Central got it live as well — and thye got it an hour *earlier* — so a whole lot of their kids were up, because it was before 10 pm there … So that’s half the country who got it, but, according to ABC, less than 10 percent of the number of complaints that it would take to make them consider it bad pr. … So that still argues that the public complaint level wasn’t terribly high.

  284. I hardly see anyone complaining about the kiss in this thread. If they do, they are talking about the aggressiveness of the kiss, not the fact that it was between two men. Hell, I haven’t seen the show recently, but Brothers and Sisters is all about men kissing. But its not about aggression, it’s about love.

    This. Let him kiss whoever he wants- if it’s consensual I don’t really care. but to have such an aggressive in your face kiss and a simulated BJ on network TV at 11PM eastern is not cool. Most high school kids and a lot of younger kids have bedtimes of around 11 (thinking back to teen years here) so it’s a good bet that plenty of yuong teens would bewatching this. and I would be disgusted by the simulated BJ and the aggression in that and the aggression in the kiss regardless of gender. Adam’s whole routine was objectifying people through these acts which disgusts me.

  285. The Britney/Madonna kiss part was glamour, it was a gentle kiss. Adam’s was an angry one,

    Well, that’s not the real difference. The real difference is that Britney and Madonna are huge stars and female (and the frisson of excitement comes from watching huge stars doing a bit of lesbian action), while Adam is someone who can barely be called a star yet, for most people it doesn’t elicit any kind of frisson of excitement, rather to most it just seems a bit tawdry.

  286. WWFM just added 2 more stations today:

    KVLY-FM Pub 1 Hot AC McAllen RCA/RCAMG Entravision Communications Company LLC 58 11/23/2009 9:28:00 AM
    WHTZ-FM Pub 17 Top 40 New York RCA/RCAMG Clear Channel Communications 1 11/18/2009 10:05:00 AM
    * WPLJ-FM Pub 14 Hot AC New York RCA/RCAMG Citadel Communications Corp. 1 11/23/2009 5:59:00 AM

    Gut says WWFM is gonna bit huge hit!

    WWFM is awesome! I really hope so!

    TBH, my biggest fear after last night was that, radio is conservative, and FYE was struggling to catch on to radio (at least in part) because it’s not the typical thing that is on radio. So, well, Adam’s performance was decidedly NOT conservative, and I feared it would scare radio off from him even more. Here’s hoping that’s not the case. WWFM is a great song, and deserves to be a hit, damn it ;-)

  287. The problem isn’t that it was shocking – after all it was designed to be shocking and attention getting. The problem was that it was poorly conceived and poorly executed. It wasn’t sexy or provocative or interesting. It was a caricature of sexual license, ultimately awkward, crass and unengaging. The choreography was poor, the dancing was poor, the singing was poor and Adam was clearly nervous (which is never sexy) and just didn’t sell it.

    This whole high visibility, high stakes roll out seems very flawed to me. These kids come off the pressure cooker of AI and head right out on a draining tour, while trying to make a decent record at the same time. To throw someone from that straight into the deep end of the pool with a major media campaign and a make or break national television performance seems like more than anyone would be prepared to pull off. I hope someone somewhere is learning some lessons from this.

  288. I really believe this was the plan all along- FYE was the single to get the AMA performance, so he did no promo for it and WWFM is the real single and he is going to do tons of promo for it…

    ‘Master Plan’

    I believe FYE was only meant for the AMAs, but they had to announce as his 1st single so he could appear on the AMAs performing his 1st single for the 1st time

  289. I read somewhere that the Barabara Walters interview was already taped prior to the amas.

  290. I do wish people would stop writing off the Idol audience as only being interested in one kind of music.

    Lambert did come second on the programme after all.

    And most discussions I have seen in Idoland show that this audience has wide ranging tastes – the internet portion at least.

    Putting the audience in a box is the major sin of the Idol producers IMO, but it doesn’t mean that everyone else has to follow suit.

    People would probably be suprised at what the stereotypical Idol audience listens to, I suspect.

    And, to be quite frank, even if some people do like more traditional types of music, so f….ing what? Who proclaimed that current = best? Who decided that the only viable musical act had to shock and outrage at every opportunity and had to have an electronic beat? Who put it into a statute that only one portion of the music industry was acceptable and the rest should be dismissed?

    It is possible to like both Carrie Underwood and Muse; both David Cook and the Scissor Sisters; both Kelly Clarkson and Lady Gaga.

    And even if you don’t, there’s no reason whatsoever, why the fashionable option means that one set of people has more taste than the other.

  291. edit: Seriously. You need to calm down, or you’ll end up in moderation

  292. I believe FYE was only meant for the AMAs, but they had to announce as his 1st single so he could appear on the AMAs performing his 1st single for the 1st time

    Go on believeing this if it helps you. But it was his first single and they shot a MV for it. If it wasn’t meant to be I can’t imagine it would have had a MV attached to it – those things are expensive.

    This whole high visibility, high stakes roll out seems very flawed to me. These kids come off the pressure cooker of AI and head right out on a draining tour, while trying to make a decent record at the same time.

    That’s why Jordin, Archie, and Cook have done well for themselves. Jordin and Archie went out and did openers for other bigger name artists and Cook did a college type our that was geared towards smaller crowds. It sounds to me like Kris will go in one of these directions and there has been no word on the Allison plans. But it seems like they don’t want to go small with Adam which can hurt him. I think he needs to be an opener for someone to continue to build up fans and then let him go out on his own on some type of big arena tour.

  293. I hardly see anyone complaining about the kiss in this thread. If they do, they are talking about the aggressiveness of the kiss, not the fact that it was between two men. Hell, I haven’t seen the show recently, but Brothers and Sisters is all about men kissing. But its not about aggression, it’s about love.

    Frankly, I didn’t know that the inability of male performers to be aggressively “sexual” in the media was a problem or even a cause celeb.

    I know that people — mostly women but not always — are often victims of male aggression masquerading as sexuality in real life, so that’s one reason why it might be more unpleasant as an “art form” than seeing a woman pole dance.

    Adam could have played this a bit less aggressive. Sort of a take-off on the Master of Ceremonies in Cabaret rather than how he played it, which was more like a male dominatrix. (And, now I can’t believe I’m actually giving this some thought.)

  294. abc knew all along cause of the great camera angles

    Of course they did.

  295. I have no doubt that ABC knew exactly what was going to happen — except for possibly, maybe the kiss.

  296. But I know from experience that Idol fans absolutely do not see what Paris did as simulated sex. And they absolutely see it as no threat at all to 10-year-olds who, I know from experience, *will* copy that kind of thing and do it thinking they’re adorable and not even knowing that what they’re doing *is* sex!

    I actually read several comments about how Paris dance was offensive and I think her tendencies of mimicking grown up adults made a bad impact on the audience.

  297. oh noes!!! Allison has changed her twitter name. She is now just @allisoniraheta

    RIP allison4realzzz (although someone will probably claim this, as someone did with krisallen4real when kris changed his twitter to simply @krisallen)

    Wonder if the label asked them to change to just their actual names, or something (Adam changed his twitter name a while back as well)

  298. Kirsten
    11/23/2009 at 4:03 pm

    From HDD:

    BOYLE-ING OVER? Steve Barnett and his Team Columbia may have the season’s big surprise record on their hands with Susan Boyle’s I Dreamed a Dream, as preorder reports from Amazon and QVC are shaping up to catapult first-week sales into the 3-400k range. What will tomorrow’s retail picture look like? Stay tuned to this Bat channel for all the scuttlebutt. (11/23a)

    I hope those people enjoy their new coasters. Meow!

    What was all the talk about Amazon not being such a significant presence in the sales market yet HDD is basing the predictions on Amazon and QVC sales. Yet Adam being in top 10 for 58 days and Supposedly the highest pre-order of any Idol’s debut Album is not really going to translate to that much. Even if Adam does Half of Susan, Which could be possible based on his position, that is 150-200K not too shabby. I am just trying to understand why Adam being in the top 10 of Amazon since his pre-order was available is any less significant then Susan Boyle being in the top 10 for basically the same period of time. (Though she has been on the charts longer she was out of the top 10 for a period of time).

  299. dhunken
    11/23/2009 at 5:48 pm

    Every time Susan was in the press or some talk show did a blip with her she moved back up to number 1. And if we use her core audience as that being the same for some old timers like Barbra Streisand, etc. this audience tends to home shop, a lot. So when SuBo spiked up she really spiked up. That is what happened on I-tunes, today. She did her spiel on the Today show and the 2 million viewers that watch it rushed to I-tunes to buy.

    Her audience is pretty well defined….and they will be more apt to use catalog sales, QVC, and the convenience of I-tunes. Her demographic is also, probably, a bit more affluent just based on age and their apparent social “status” (for want of a better word).

    And again….if anyone buys this for me for Christmas they are so dead! She murdered most of the songs….If you dare take a listen…and if you aren’t taking a nap 10 minutes in I’ll be surprises. (There I go, being horrible Catty again).

  300. I think it was the aggressiveness of the kiss that was offputting. There is male/male kissing on other shows without controversy. BTW there was also controversy about the Madonna/Britney kiss. Not so much female/female but whether or not it was appropriate for an award show, and curiosity about if it was planned, and why Christina’s kiss was ignored, etc.

    The bj was the worst. I think the men on leashes was bad too. What next, bestiality onstage?

    It’s a combination of the fact that the performance failed artistically, as well as being objectionable on other levels, and it’s not about gayness for most people. For some yes, it is that, but for most I don’t think that’s it.

    I also don’t think that being talked about is always a good thing. People talked about balloon boy, they talk about Jon and Kate, it isn’t a good thing. I don’t think this is, on balance, a positive outcome for Adam.

    It’s probably a good reality check for him. The reaction is overwhelmingly negative, which is surprising and in some ways heartening. I wouldn’t mind seeing a similar outrage though at some of the other performances and videos by rap singers and the women gyrating all around them. That is equally bad in my eyes.

  301. HAC adds are closed for the week:

    Daughtry & John Mayer tied for 22 combined adds
    Kris next highest at 13 combined adds plus one Canadian HAC
    Next highest – Carrie & Lifehouse at 7 each.

    Adam FYE – 1, WDYWFM 2.

  302. On to another topic that kind of got lost in yesterday’s AMA hubbub. A bunch more Matt videos have surfaced from Saturday’s concert, including his fifth new song, “Whatever It Takes”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3GHDW22djU

    And Lyndsey Parker’s brief review of Matt’s new music from Saturday’s concert:

    http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/295377/welcome-matt-idol-giraud-returns-at-home-state-show/

    If you haven’t already, I recommend checking out Matt’s new song “I Miss You Tonight”, which seems to be a fan favorite.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kWUspU5qH8

  303. I actually think that the misogynistic lyrics of some rap artists are far, far more objectionable than anything Adam Lambert has ever done: and I’ve never found anything that he’s done that objectionable – just hollow.

  304. I thought I heard Barbara Walters was criticizing ABC for censoring Adam’s perfomance on the West Ciast feed?

  305. This has to go in headlines too because it’s major news. From HDD:

    “DREAM COMES TRUE: Susan Boyle’s Columbia album, I Dreamed a Dream, which hit the streets today, is already selling two to three times the estimated pre-release total for retailers, on top of breaking the all-time pre-order record at Amazon.com. Based on current tallies, the disc will easily top 500k and could go even higher. (11/23p)”

    Wow.

  306. But, honestly, looking at that musical lineup for last night, I would have been very hesitant to let a kid watch it because it seems to me that a lot of people on there were capable of doing sexual gyrations and such that I’m not sure kids should be watching, in part just *because* watching them on there can make kids think the stuff is acceptable for *them* to ape.

    I will agree with that totally – there were plenty of performers on there who I knew would possibly be un-kid-friendly. I didn’t turn the show on until my son went to bed (who was up a little late because he was so congested). We watched MLS Cup until he went to bed (hello, David Beckham!).

  307. Based on current tallies, the disc will easily top 500k and could go even higher.

    WTF? Wow, she really does make people sentimental! I’m not buying, but good for her.

  308. 500K 1st week for SueBo?

    Holy crap. Well, my MIL accounts for one of those. She lurvvves her, and couldn’t wait for it to go on sale.

  309. 500K 1st week for SuBo?

    I knew she was going to rake it in, but even I did not expect that. DAYum!

    But yeah, I knew she was going to have monster sales.

  310. I actually think that the misogynistic lyrics of some rap artists are far, far more objectionable than anything Adam Lambert has ever done: and I’ve never found anything that he’s done that objectionable ‘“ just hollow.

    Yup. People complain about rap artists and their lyrics all the time. There have been whole shows on them. Its just that the rap artists don’t care. Their attitude is if you don’t like it change the channel.

    It’s probably a good reality check for him. The reaction is overwhelmingly negative, which is surprising and in some ways heartening.

    I think the reaction has been mixed. the controversy seems to be with the bj stimulation. The majority didn’t say much about the kiss. I really don’t think it was the big disaster a lot of people think it was. Did it get Adam a million more fans? Probably not, but Adam will sing WWFM on David Letterman and people will talk about how great his voice is, blah blah blah. This too shall pass.

    Susan Boyle is going to put everyone to shame though. It’ll be interesting to see how many countries she will be #1 in. The US and UK seems like a guarantee.

  311. Tess: I normally agree with you 100%, but I think many think it was negative, including me. I heard average Joes, like myself, talking negative about the performance last night even on social network sites to each other. I do agree, and was surprised that reviewers’ comments, not bloggers’ comments, were mixed; both positive and negative.
    I did see the View and from what I remember, Barbara Walters at first criticized ABC for their censorship, but as the one or more of the other ladies on the View weighed in on Adam’s performance, Barbara Walters responded words to the effect, “you’re making me rethink my view on this”. BW was promoting her “Year’s Most Fascinating” including that Adam and Gaga would be on. I happen to agree with what one of the ladies said (maybe Elizabeth or Joy?). Adam made the talk and focus about that “performance” and not about his incredible vocal ability. IMHO that was a huge mistake. Everyone is talking about his “performance”; yes some are positive and some are negative. But few talk and focus on his vocal ability. If they talk about his vocals, they either say he was “pitchy” and “bad” or try to defend his vocals by saying others had similar sound issues as he did. I still say that Adam pushed the envelope too far, was inappropriate and his facial expression afterwards spoke volumes. JMHO!

  312. Babz did not slam Adam. She slammed ABC for not allowing her to show a clip of Adams performance.

    Yup. Elizabeth was the hardest on Adam, but that is not really a surprise. I think they will push WWFM as the big single. Its super radio friendly, and reports have Adam singing it beautiful tonight on Letterman.

  313. edit: please stop putting words in posters mouths and making assumptions. dial back the anger, please

  314. I already know Adam has a gift; an unusually great voice. He can sing almost anything, and his range is unbelievable. I loved his voice from the moment he walked onto AI. I’ve followed him ever since. People watching AMAs last night were potential new fans who may have never heard him sing a note before last night. I would believe people buy cds b/c they like the artist’s voice. Seems to me the artists selling the best right now, like Kelly, Susan Boyle, and Carrie, showcase their voices. I still haven’t heard the majority of people talking about Adam’s vocal ability or that they loved the song, FYE, based on his AMA performance. Yes, there’s a lot of talking, but it seems to be focused on his performance; love it or hate it. I wonder if viewers who had never heard Adam sing prior to the AMAs think his vocal ability and FYE is worth spending $ on to buy his cd? If I had only seen/heard Adam based on last night’s performance, I would not have purchased his cd. I have purchased his cd b/c I heard him sing so well prior to the AMAs.

  315. Yes, there’s a lot of talking, but it seems to be focused on his performance; love it or hate it. I wonder if viewers who had never heard Adam sing prior to the AMAs think his vocal ability and FYE is worth spending $ on to buy his cd? If I had only seen/heard Adam based on last night’s performance, I would not have purchased his cd. I have purchased his cd b/c I heard him sing so well prior to the AMAs.

    If you are going by last night’s performances at the AMA’s I wouldn’t be buying anyone’s CD right now……..

    However, I would google Adam to find out more about him based on that performance.

  316. Seems to me the artists selling the best right now, like Kelly, Susan Boyle, and Carrie, showcase their voices.

    Nope. Rap/Hip hop artists always sell a lot and they highlight everything except their voices!

    Adam definitely isn’t trying to please everyone, which is actually kind of admirable. He could easily conform and make tons of money. It’ll be interesting to see where he is a year from now.

  317. For better or worse, he certainly succeeded in sticking out from the heavy hitters.

    Unfortunately, it had nothing to do with his talent.

  318. Seems to me the artists selling the best right now, like Kelly, Susan Boyle, and Carrie, showcase their voices.

    Taylor Swift, Britney, Jay Z, Rihanna, Gaga (her voice is good but that’s not the main reason most people like her nor the focal point of her music)

    Plus Carrie and Susan Boyle don’t count b/c they operate in the alternate universes of country music and novelty sensation, respectively

  319. Plus Carrie and Susan Boyle don’t count b/c they operate in the alternate universes of country music and novelty sensation, respectively

    What the heck does that even mean? Carrie doesn’t count because she’s country? That makes no sense at all. She’s a really good singer, and she’s hugely popular, sells a ton of records, end of story. (And btw, I don’t like country music at all.)

  320. What the heck does that even mean? Carrie doesn’t count because she’s country? That makes no sense at all. She’s a really good singer, and she’s hugely popular, sells a ton of records, end of story. (And btw, I don’t like country music at all.)

    Explanation: The person I replied to stated that singers who showcase their voices sell the best, with Carrie as an example. I assumed they were they trying to apply this to Adam, Kris’ or Allison’s situations somehow, since this an American Idol site and those three have been the topic of discussion in the past few days, and I replied that country is a completely different type of music market than the pop and pop-rock markets and the same rules do not apply; thus, to me, Carrie does not count as a relevant example. The person may have been talking about Danny–I don’t know, I didn’t read the context of the comment–and in that case I assumed incorrectly, although I believe my comment still stands in regards to Kradison.

    Sometimes I just want to dash off a flippant comment without having to explain everything in its denotation in detail, you know? I think there’s just some disconnect between us because it’s the third time in two days that my point in some comment isn’t coming through to you and resulting in a misunderstanding. No need to get upset.

  321. Not upset at all — just totally clueless about what you mean. So yes, there is a disconnect — the misunderstanding is because your reasoning makes no sense to me. Why is country a completely different type of market? Especially given that a fair amount of country seems to have become more and more just pop with a “traditionally country” instrument or two thrown in? btw, heading off to bed now, so if you reply I won’t see it till morning.

  322. If you are going by last night’s performances at the AMA’s I wouldn’t be buying anyone’s CD right now’ ¦’ ¦..

    You might not be shelling out for it, but I’m betting Kelly Clarkson is moving a few more units to *somebody*, considering “Already Gone” moved up 10 or 12 spots on iTunes since last night. (Or okay, maybe not since this album doesn’t seem to be selling in proportion to the singles. But it’s still a nice bump for the song.)

  323. interesting take, they believe abc knew all along cause of the great camera angles

    First of all, that blogger is not very on top of things. No footage of JLo’s fall?! It was all over ONTD and DL. If he’s going to blog about this stuff he should know where to look.

    I buy it, except for the simulated fellatio. That wasn’t a great camera angle, and the cutaway was so jarring and so clearly not on a beat there’s no way they anticipated it. I’ve only been in a classroom version of a TV control room, but I’m pretty sure that was not how they planned to show that part of the performance. Granted, I only suffered through the whole thing once, and that part of the performance one more time, but bit it looked like a cut to wide, then cut to audience, and then back to the wide with no regard to the beat of the action. Very odd.

    The kiss and other stuff? Totally planned.

  324. anovich
    11/23/2009 at 5:03 pm

    That’s why Jordin, Archie, and Cook have done well for themselves. Jordin and Archie went out and did openers for other bigger name artists and Cook did a college type our that was geared towards smaller crowds. It sounds to me like Kris will go in one of these directions and there has been no word on the Allison plans.

    I’ve read a lot of college reviews of Kris’s album and it seems to be really resonating with the college kids, so a college tour would be highly recommended. Although I am pretty confident in the commercial success of Kris’s record, so I feel like given a few more months he might not need to do the small shows after all. Although I do think he should still do it anyway, as a college crowd is a good fanbase to start building.

    oceana
    11/23/2009 at 6:08 pm

    I think it was the aggressiveness of the kiss that was offputting. There is male/male kissing on other shows without controversy. BTW there was also controversy about the Madonna/Britney kiss. Not so much female/female but whether or not it was appropriate for an award show, and curiosity about if it was planned, and why Christina’s kiss was ignored, etc.

    The bj was the worst. I think the men on leashes was bad too. What next, bestiality onstage?

    It’s a combination of the fact that the performance failed artistically, as well as being objectionable on other levels, and it’s not about gayness for most people. For some yes, it is that, but for most I don’t think that’s it.

    I also don’t think that being talked about is always a good thing. People talked about balloon boy, they talk about Jon and Kate, it isn’t a good thing. I don’t think this is, on balance, a positive outcome for Adam.

    It’s probably a good reality check for him. The reaction is overwhelmingly negative, which is surprising and in some ways heartening. I wouldn’t mind seeing a similar outrage though at some of the other performances and videos by rap singers and the women gyrating all around them. That is equally bad in my eyes.

    I think that’s the problem, though, Adam does not seem apologetic about his performance at all. And why should he? Apologizing for his performance last night would mean he acknowledges he made a mistake, and then it will only lead to more nastiness. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I feel like the bad thing about all this is that he lost some fans and he seems to have dismissed them as people who just didn’t “get” his performance, just like he dismissed those who were complaining about his album cover, telling them that they didn’t “get” it either. I’ve seen all over this blog as well as other sites where people are accused of not being “true fans” because they were disgusted by the performance. I’m sorry, but if I were a hardcore fan of an artist and they did something that really tested my patience, I don’t think that makes me less of a fan. It just means I have my own limits when it comes to what I can and cannot tolerate.

    I also don’t think the reaction has been overwhelmingly negative. I think some in the media have taken Adam’s stance about the double standard. The media loves to admonish and be self-righteous whenever they can. E! Online has already said that Britney and Madonna, etc have been given passes when they were sexually explicit onstage, and yet when a gay man does it, etc etc.

    I think it’s weird, though, because people are up in arms and calling out “discrimination”, but then the kiss wasn’t edited out on the West Coast airing. What WAS edited out was Adam flipping off the audience and the blowjob simulation. (by the way, I have no idea why he flipped off the audience)

  325. What WAS edited out was Adam flipping off the audience and the blowjob simulation. (by the way, I have no idea why he flipped off the audience)

    Yeah he seems to be getting a free pass on the flip to the audience. That was rather rude.

  326. Unpublished top 40 numbers today:

    60 64 JASON CASTRO Let’s Just Fall In Love Again 241 246 -5 0.398
    66 66 ADAM LAMBERT For Your Entertainment 201 191 10 0.628
    80 73 ALLISON IRAHETA Friday I’ll Be Over U 104 79 25 0.181
    83 85 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 67 69 -2 1.82

    With WWFM having an audience 3x the size of FYE and radio dropping the latter, we can consider WWFM the new single. By next week it’ll be more obvious as WWFM goes up the chart and FYE slides down.
    WWFM is getting played on the two biggest Pop stations in the counry.

  327. Oceana: Totally agree w/ you!
    MJ: Totally agree w/ you too!

    I’m still of fan of his voice. I can separate, I think for now, not being a fan of Adam’s recent comments (ie) response to that mother about her child at the AI tour watching WLL from Out Interview, & his AMA performance (ie) bj, flipping off the audience, agressiveness in general.

    I still remember reading many Adam fans discussing how much they dislike current music like rap and hip-hop. They basically admired Adam’s incredible voice and did not find rap/HH offering much in regard to great sounding voices. I agree. Many so called artists rely on a dog and pony show IMHO to just have something to do on stage b/c in reality they can’t sing a note. Adam can sing but I would never know that from the AMAs. I understand why some are saying he doesn’t respect music. Relying and/or focusing on anything but his talent, may make some pause and wonder what he really appreciates the most (ie) making a statement, pushing the envelope or respecting his voice/and the music.

    Adam himself said that he never denied being gay but didn’t focus on acknowledging whether he was or not openly, not b/c he wasn’t proud and accepting of himself but b/c while on AI but wanted people to focus on and like him as an entertainer first. His words were “I can sing my face off”. That made sense to me. Now he gets an opportunity to have viewers become fans outside AI, while on a nationally televised show,and to me he has these potential fans focus on everything other than his voice/talent. He should have taken his own advice and had these potential buyers of his new cd/new fans, see him as the great singer and entertainer he really is. They shouldn’t have to think even for a moment that he may have been making a statement, performing for shock value b/c there is no other substance (like rap singers),and being inappropriate on network tv, etc.

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