Monday Morning Mediabase Update – Up Until Midnight 11/22/09

Kelly continues to top the HAC chart and after last night’s stellar performance, she will likely be there for a few weeks more. Meanwhile, Kris gets his first Top 20 hit. Daughtry’s new single continues to vault up the chart and Ruben makes great strides on the UAC chart. The Christmas chill has settled over the AC chart, but one of the few songs that still has a bullet is Kat’s new single. Carrie’s “Do You Know What I Hear” went recurrent, but she’s got another Christmas song arleady charting on AC.

Here are your Monday Morning Mediabase Updates for airplay as of midnight of 11/22/09 after the jump.

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Mediabase top 50 in major formats only. Some charts may have less than 50 ranked songs if the number of spins do not reach a certain cut-off. AllAccess is late updating this morning, so the CAC chart is actually cut-off at Midnight 11/21/09. The remaining charts are not.

Adam Lambert:
“For Your Entertainment”: 49 HAC (46)

Bucky Covington:
“Gotta Be Somebody”: ^50 Country (48)

Carrie Underwood:
“Cowboy Casanova” : 3 Country (2), ^36 HAC (44)
“Hark The Herald Angels Sing”: ^31 AC (95)

Daughtry:
“Life After You”: ^26 HAC (33), ^45 Pop (52)
“No Surprise”: 8 AC (8), 9 HAC (8)

Jordin Sparks:
“Battlefield”: 20 AC (17)
“S.O.S. (Let the Music…)”: ^33 Pop (32)

Katharine McPhee:
“Had it All” : ^25 AC (27)

Kellie Pickler:
“Didn’t You Know How…”: ^28 Country (28)

Kelly Clarkson:
“Already Gone”: ^1 HAC (1), ^8 Pop (8), 12 AC (14)

Kris Allen:
“Live Like We Are Dying”: ^19 HAC (21), ^38 Pop (37)

Mandisa:
“He is With You”: ^18 AC (18)

Ruben Studdard:
“Don’t Make ‘Em Like…”: ^21 UAC (27)

Note: Numbers indicate position on the chart while numbers in brackets indicate the position on the chart the previous week. The “^” (aka “a bullet”) indicates that a song gained spins since last week.

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137 Comments

  1. Anticipating the Questions:

    Carrie’s “Temporary Home” and has 69 spins (Country: 58, CMT:11)

    Adam’s “Whataya Want For Me” was picked up on some radio stations (it’s status as a single us unknown) and got 112 spins last week (HAC 36, Pop: 74)

    Daughtry’s ‘Life After You’  went for adds two weeks ago and had 1813 spins last week (HAC:864, Country: 3, Pop: 920, Alt: 20, MTV2: 3).

    Jason’s “Let’s Just Fall in Love Again” was re-sent for adds two weeks ago. It had 341 spins last week (AC: 24, HAC:60, Pop:257).

    Adam’s “For Your Entertainment” went for adds three weeks ago and received 470 spins last week (HAC: 183, Pop:287)

    Allison’s “Friday, I’ll Be Over You” went for adds four weeks ago. It received 116 spins last week (HAC:6, Pop:110)).

    Some songs never go for adds. Radio stations don’t have to wait for add dates to start spinning songs. Not every song is intended for radio.

    Spin totals are posted when songs are listed for adds or for 4 weeks post add (or post release for songs with no add date).

    A song with a bullet that loses position on the chart was passed by faster gainers. It is still showing positive momentum.

  2. I guess we should look at so many stations decreasing their spins for FYE, or in the case of NY’s WPLJ, stopping them all together, as a sign that those in the industry know that RCA will stop pushing FYE, and switch gears to Adam’s second single. I bet this is a little tidbit that many in the media, including Brian Mansfield, ignore.

  3. Carrie’s ‘Do You Know What I Here’  went recurrent, but she’s got another Christmas song arleady charting on AC.

    Kirsten, it’s “Do You Hear What I Hear.”

    And as always, thanks for compiling this!

  4. Kris broke top 20 on HAC

    lol…that is pretty good for a guy without 19E/Record company giving him the pimp spot on the AMAS like that train wreck we watched last night.

    Gooo Kelly and Carrie! There go my girls!

  5. Kirsten, it’s ‘Do You Hear What I Hear.”

    LOL. I fail. Thanks for the update.

  6. tinydance
    11/23/2009 at 8:37 am
    Kris broke top 20 on HAC

    lol’ ¦that is pretty good for a guy without 19E/Record company giving him the pimp spot on the AMAS like that train wreck we watched last night.

    ITA! Go Kris! Less is more!

    tinydance – you’ve been cracking me up with all of your comments.

  7. 19E didn’t “give” him the spot on the AMAs. They don’t control the awards event.

  8. ITA! Go Kris! Less is more!

    Love it!!

    tinydance all your posts since last night have been spot on IMO.

  9. LoveContinuum
    11/23/2009 at 9:17 am

    19E didn’t ‘give’  him the spot on the AMAs. They don’t control the awards event.

    Nope, they control nothing but money speaks…loudly. If not, why would you even have management?

  10. Yay and congratulations to Kris on the HAC #19! Woot!

    I wonder how adds will go on HAC today after such a ho-hum add week across the board last week. Very early yet, but Kris and Daughtry are tied for the lead so far today with 5 combined adds – Lifehouse and John Mayer also have 5. Certainly a better start than last week!

  11. Yay Kris!!! I REALLY want him to do well because the more I listen to his album the better I like it.

  12. He is doing exactly like he did on AI…slow but steady…people get hooked..plus he is getting the non AI male pop.(gaystraight)

  13. Yay Kris! I finally heard this song on the radio here last week and it sounded great. I hope it continues its slow and steady climb up the charts.

  14. eliza
    Yay Kris! I finally heard this song on the radio here last week and it sounded great. I hope it continues its slow and steady climb up the charts.

    Though not what is apparatently “in”, it will always be better for an artist who wants to make this a living to create good music and avoid gimmicks.
    Its a marathon, not a sprint.

  15. Oh, and congrats to Kelly! I’m excited to be seeing her live tomorrow night!

  16. Wahooo- WTG Kris being in the Top 20 for the HAC chart!! He is keeping on moving up , slowly but surely!! Longevity is what its all about!!

  17. OK congrads to Kris ,Kelly and Bucky..
    Kristen-HAC stands for just wondering what stations it means ?Is it the mix stations or easy listening ?

  18. HAC stands for just wondering what stations it means ?Is it the mix stations or easy listening ?

    Hot Adult Contemporary – it’s got more rock and less urban than Top 40 and more pop/rock than AC

  19. WPLJ (NYC) may have dropped FYE but they are having Adam on Tuesday am. Doesn’t sound like they are dismissing him, maybe just the song. Time will tell.

  20. So many songs on Kris’s album are radio-friendly. I think it will do well in the long run. Hope TPTB at AI consider “Let it Rain” for the exit song this year, because it really fits.

  21. lol’ ¦that is pretty good for a guy without 19E/Record company giving him the pimp spot on the AMAS like that train wreck we watched last night.

    ITA! Go Kris! Less is more!

    Ok, well, if we’re bringing it up, Kris had, like 1 gazillionth of the stuff to do that Adam had to do last night (as in, Kris just had to stand in place and talk for roughly 10 seconds), and he came across as nervous, stilted, and turned his back to the camera for half his stint.

    So, just saying, with less to do Kris was hardly knocking ’em dead at the AMAs. Can’t imagine how he’d do if he had the pressure Adam had last night.

  22. Ok, well, if we’re bringing it up, Kris had, like 1 gazillionth of the stuff to do that Adam had to do last night (as in, Kris just had to stand in place and talk for roughly 10 seconds), and he came across as nervous, stilted, and turned his back to the camera for half his stint.

    So, just saying, with less to do Kris was hardly knocking ’em dead at the AMAs. Can’t imagine how he’d do if he had the pressure Adam had last night.

    Don’t think he came off as nervous or stilted – I think Demi Lovato was stilted and pageant like and Kris had to deal with that. And I’m not sure where you saw him turning his back to the camera, because I don’t see it. He turned to the person he was presenting with and talking to but he never turned his back completely on the audience.

  23. Congrats to Kris on his Top 20 hit! I think this song will be able to get to Top 10 HAC. Hopefully, at least Top 20 on Pop too.

    WPLJ, New York’s HAC station that has been playing FYE, has just added WWFM to their rotation instead. Surely this means the end of FYE.

  24. So, just saying, with less to do Kris was hardly knocking ’em dead at the AMAs. Can’t imagine how he’d do if he had the pressure Adam had last night.

    That is just it. He wouldn’t have too.

    Some ARTISTS don’t have to go all out and TRY to get everyone’s attention by doing vulgar filthy acts on TV to be “artistic”. Sometimes just being yourself and not TRYING to be edgy is good enough and let your art flow from your music…not a strip tease. The prime example of that last night was Kelly and Daughtry.

    Something Adam should learn. Less IS More sometimes.

    Art doesn’t always have to be vulgar to be art…the most beautiful art is not showy.

  25. Ok, well, if we’re bringing it up, Kris had, like 1 gazillionth of the stuff to do that Adam had to do last night (as in, Kris just had to stand in place and talk for roughly 10 seconds), and he came across as nervous, stilted, and turned his back to the camera for half his stint.

    I can see his face pretty clearly 90% of the time
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUbEZZRq67c

    Still, based on what you said, it’s even more amazing that this stilted boring Idol managed to have a Top 20 hit.

  26. RCA must be feeling relief that entertainment reporters don’t look up actual airplay and sales data. Doesn’t seem to have been even one mainstream press story noticing Adam’s absence from Top 40 or comparing his early singles sales to peers, even while writing headlines about how his music is set to dominate the market.

    They have a lot of breathing room that way — whatever the actual sales and airplay, when 19E/RCA puts out a release declaring a big victory, a lot of media will go with that, because the storyline has been set. That’s a nice advantage to have.

  27. Oh Adam will sell…look at Britney. People will always buy tickets to the Freak Show to watch the two headed calf.

  28. That is just it. He wouldn’t have too.

    Some ARTISTS don’t have to go all out and TRY to get everyone’s attention by doing vulgar acts on TV to be ‘artistic’ . Sometimes just being yourself and not TRYING to be edgy is good enough at let your art flow from your voice’ ¦not a strip tease. The prime example of that last night was Kelly and Daughtry.

    Something Adam should learn. Less IS More sometimes.

    exactly! geez that i was disappointed yesterday at Adam

  29. Kris was on t.v. last night for less than 2 minutes and did just fine. He didn’t mumble and he looked great. Presenters aren’t there to do anything but present awards. They aren’t there to entertain you. Most of the forced banter between presenters on these award shows is horrible and not funny. Get on, read the nominees, announce the winner, get off — that’s all you need to do. Kris was fine.

  30. FYE the single was dead the minute they played it on OHP and double dead when Z100 added it.

    By the way, six hours after Kri’s album was released it was #4 on the iTunes top 100 chart. Twelve hours after Adam’s album was released (and after that huge promo on the AMA), it’s #7 on the same chart.

    It may move up later in the day and stay there, but I’m not seeing any incredible traction from last night.

  31. Already Gone really has had a great run. It was my initial favorite from the record, so I’m happy to see it succeed so well . . . long slow growth versus shooting up, which is interesting. Kelly killed it live last night.

  32. When Z100 added WWFM, I meant. So who’d of thunk it but FYE is turning out to be an even bigger flop that Blake Lewis’ first single – Break Anotha. That made it to the 40s on the Pop chart. Of course the label , didn’t drop it after three weeks for another song. Probably would have been bietter if they did though.

  33. When Z100 added WWFM, I meant. So who’d of thunk it but FYE is turning out to be an even bigger flop that Blake Lewis’ first single – Break Anotha. That made it to the 40s on the Pop chart. Of course the label didn’t drop it after three weeks for another song. Probably would have been bietter if they did though.

  34. By the way, six hours after Kri’s album was released it was #4 on the iTunes top 100 chart. Twelve hours after Adam’s album was released (and after that huge promo on the AMA), it’s #7 on the same chart.

    Uh, Adam has two albums in the top ten on itunes – #7 and #10 right now. So the sales are split between the two.

  35. Uh, Adam has two albums in the top ten on itunes ‘“ #7 and #10 right now. So the sales are split between the two.

    I believe at the time Kris had something like # 4 and #8

  36. Kris debut at #4 on top 100 and #1 on pop 100 and he had two albums too so it was the same situation.

  37. Nice numbers there. Grats to Kelly being #1 and Kris at #19 on HAC!

    I can’t wait to see Kris on Ellen tomorrow. Did anyone make it to the taping? I wasn’t able to go. :(

  38. Ok, well, if we’re bringing it up, Kris had, like 1 gazillionth of the stuff to do that Adam had to do last night (as in, Kris just had to stand in place and talk for roughly 10 seconds), and he came across as nervous, stilted, and turned his back to the camera for half his stint.

    I must have missed the nervous and stilted. He seemed relaxed to me. And he turned his head to face Demi, he didn’t turn his back to the camera. I think his months on AI would have prepared him not to do turn his back to a camera. He didn’t just walk on a stage for the first time yesterday.

    I searched Kris on twitter right after he presented, and the comments were @ 90% positive.

  39. Already Gone really has had a great run. It was my initial favorite from the record, so I’m happy to see it succeed so well . . . long slow growth versus shooting up, which is interesting. Kelly killed it live last night.

    I completely adored that performance. It would be awesome if she released that song with the live arrangement. I need that version on my iPod.

  40. That is just it. He wouldn’t have too.

    Some ARTISTS don’t have to go all out and TRY to get everyone’s attention by doing vulgar filthy acts on TV to be ‘artistic’ . Sometimes just being yourself and not TRYING to be edgy is good enough and let your art flow from your music’ ¦not a strip tease. The prime example of that last night was Kelly and Daughtry.

    Something Adam should learn. Less IS More sometimes.

    Art doesn’t always have to be vulgar to be art’ ¦the most beautiful art is not showy.

    I was talking about Kris not having to face the pressure of performing last, not what style he’d be singing. That had nothing to do with it. What I’m saying is Kris had hardly a fraction of the pressure Adam had last night. Give the guy some credit, but I guess it’s so much easier to pounce on him at the slightest stumble and proclaim him an immediate failure.

    As for the other performances you mention, I agree Kelly was good, but Daughtry was a snooze and a half. If that’s your cuppa, that’s great for you, but if every performance of the night was like Kelly, Daughtry, and Kris, that would be a major bore fest. I need some variety, craziness, and spontaneity too to keep things interesting. I bet TPTB agreed. Give me a thousand Gaga’s and Adam’s to liven things up a bit, any day.

  41. Art doesn’t always have to be vulgar to be art’ ¦the most beautiful art is not showy.

    *Some* of the most beautiful art is not showy. And other very beautiful art is showy. … And beauty isn’t necessarily what all art is aiming at. Sometimes it’s aiming at shocking or distressing or saddening or scaring or horrifying the audience.

    Art — and pop music, which I’m not sure quite qualifies, lol — has room for all of these things, the last time I checked my art history!

    Anybody who’s expecting Adam to “learn his lesson” or something and not be gaudy and flamboyant because quiet and understated is better is probably wasting his or her time. He’s on the out-there end of things, and he doesn’t need to abandon it, because out-there and gaudy is just as valid as quiet and understated. He just needs to figure out how to do it right. …

    Similarly, just because something is quiet and understated doesn’t make it good art (or good pop) either. It’s *all* in the execution — for everybody.

  42. I believe at the time Kris had something like # 4 and #8

    Adam also has a lot more competition on itunes right now. Kris had little more than John Mayer and Norah Jones to contend with. Adam has what has been widely called the biggest, most competitive day all year in music – SuBo, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Shakira etc. Love the fact that everything is basically a “let’s enjoy Adam’s failure” fest.

  43. just saw jim’s tweet and was wondering what it was about!

    Congrats to Kris Allen for his first Top 20 hit! “Live Like We’re Dying” on the charts with a bullet! Woot!
    about 2 hours ago from web

    and now i know…

  44. Hot Adult Contemporary ‘“ it’s got more rock and less urban than Top 40 and more pop/rock than AC

    and now i know what HAC stands for too…thanks kirsten

    and congrats kris! (sigh….its nice to be a kris fan, no pressure or unreasonable expectations but loving the success)

  45. I posted in the other thread but the CMA gave its featured artists a much bigger bounce that the AMA. Probably because the biggest winner of the night – Taylor Swift didn’t perform. Also the biggest songs performed are already huge hits.

    For a new song, Alicia Keyes looks like the biggest gainer. John Mayer is putting up some major numbers this week. He could possibily outsell most of the artists releasing the week of Black Friday. Maybe even SuBro.

  46. Isn’t this a media airplay thread?

    Daughtry and Kris are having a great adds day so far! Looking at combined HAC/Top40 adds, Daughtry is the leader for combined adds across the two formats with 12, followed by Taylor Swift with 11, and Kris with 10! Yoohoo!

  47. It may move up later in the day and stay there, but I’m not seeing any incredible traction from last night.

    I don’t think a one-off performance is going to drive many first-week sales, for anybody, really, even if it were a very widely-seen performance that everybody adored. If you don’t really know who somebody is, I think it’s not very likely that you’re going to buy his/her album or song just based on seeing it once on a tv show, especially in a slow economy, but any time, really ….

    That’s one reason radio play is so important — I don’t think people usually buy songs (much less albums) from hearing a song once on radio either. The whole point of radio play as a driver of sales is that when something’s on radio, you hear it numerous times, and then it becomes a part of your brain, and you eventually feel you have to have it. …. I can’t imagine any one-off performance — audio or video — really having that effect.

    For Adam as for everybody else, he has to earn sales by getting his songs in front of people on multiple occasions. … I’m sure they’re trying to do that. … I think they kind of made a mistake by not having a single out to radio sooner — and having it be a single that U.S. radio would play! — but then we’ve noticed this about RCA before. They seem not to do that very often. But that’s really going to affect first-week sales rather than long-term sales.

    Adam’s long-term sales, like everybody’s, are going to depend on whether people like the music once they’ve started hearing it more often.

    Last night he definitely did get some people’s attention who hadn’t seen him before and he got some people talking. I’m not sure that there is such a thing as bad publicity in this way — if they’re talking, and then you can deliver something they might actually want later, then an over-the-top performance is probably all to the good, sales wise, in the long run.

  48. Mary102

    Kris has two versions of his album on iTunes as well. Didn’t stop him from getting to #1 on the pop chart and #4 overall six hours after the album dropped. So that argument about Adam having two albums on there doesn’t fly (especially since other artists like Lady Gaga and John Mayer also have 2 versions of their new albums available on iTunes). But it’s extremely possible Adam’s album will continue to rise on the chart and may end up doing much better than Kris’. Will have to wait and see. So far, it’s doing pretty well, but not great.

  49. Daughtry and Kris are having a great adds day so far! Looking at combined HAC/Top40 adds, Daughtry is the leader for combined adds across the two formats with 12, followed by Taylor Swift with 11, and Kris with 10! Yoohoo!

    That’s great for Kris! — right behind Taylor Swift is not too shabby!

  50. Kris has already picked up 3 HAC adds.
    He has also picked up 4 Top 40 adds on a monday. Top 40 adds are tomorrow.
    Go Kris!

  51. Mary102
    11/23/2009 at 12:50 pm
    I believe at the time Kris had something like # 4 and #8

    Adam also has a lot more competition on itunes right now. Kris had little more than John Mayer and Norah Jones to contend with. Adam has what has been widely called the biggest, most competitive day all year in music ‘“ SuBo, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Shakira etc.

    Uh, ever heard of 50 Cent and Shakira? Kris had to compete with them too. And Justin Bieber almost caused a riot when 10,000 fans came out to see him perform…he gave some pretty crazy competition as well.

  52. Go Kris! I think just the exposure last night he got from announcing has given him a slight boost. He was announced as having an album hitting the charts this week so anyone who was a fan but didn’t know his album came out, knows now! Oh, and did you catch that he was introduced as just “Kris Allen”, no AI mention :)

    Hope TPTB at AI consider ‘Let it Rain’  for the exit song this year, because it really fits.

    Does anyone know when the boot song gets announced? I’ve been listening to this song at it is just perfect for this. And what a boon for Kris to get that gig! It would mean guaranteed exposure every week, likely guaranteed radio spins, plus probably a return to AI to sing it live.

  53. As for the other performances you mention, I agree Kelly was good, but Daughtry was a snooze and a half. If that’s your cuppa, that’s great for you, but if every performance of the night was like Kelly, Daughtry, and Kris, that would be a major bore fest. I need some variety, craziness, and spontaneity too to keep things interesting. I bet TPTB agreed. Give me a thousand Gaga’s and Adam’s to liven things up a bit, any day.

    And not every performance was what you’d call a snooze. I loved GaGa last night. No one would ever call her a snooze. There is just a way to do it and a way that becomes something of a turn-off. Adam needs to learn the difference.

  54. Under 50 (Top 40 numbers)

    60 64 JASON CASTRO Let’s Just Fall In Love Again 241 246 -5 0.398
    66 66 ADAM LAMBERT For Your Entertainment 201 191 10 0.628
    80 73 ALLISON IRAHETA Friday I’ll Be Over U 104 79 25 0.181
    f83 85 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 67 69 -2 1.82

    With 1/3 the spins, WWFM has more than twice the audience of FYE (thanks to Z100). FYE is pretty done. Plan B to go with WWFM is in effect. Give RCA credit for moving quickly on this one.

  55. CHART DATE: 11/23/2009
    LAST UPDATE: 11/23/2009 11:19:54
    NOW IN: 37.17%

    3 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 37,535
    PLAY ON

    10 KRIS ALLEN 19/JIVE/ZLG 26,252
    KRIS ALLEN

  56. Kris has two versions of his album on iTunes as well. Didn’t stop him from getting to #1 on the pop chart and #4 overall six hours after the album dropped.

    How do the itunes pre-orders fit into this equation? Adam hit No. 1 pop within hours when his album went up for preorder and stayed there for a few days….are those preorders now being “counted” again when downloaded to create his chart position, or is it new purchases accounting for his current itunes chart position

  57. Anybody who’s expecting Adam to ‘learn his lesson’  or something and not be gaudy and flamboyant because quiet and understated is better is probably wasting his or her time. He’s on the out-there end of things, and he doesn’t need to abandon it, because out-there and, gaudy is just as valid as quiet and understated. He just needs to figure out how to do it right. ‘ ¦

    Totally agree. I hated his performance last night but I do think that this kind of thing is exactly who he is as an artist. I don’t think he needs to stop doing out there stuff. He just needs to learn how to package it better. OTT, sex, glam… that’s who he is. I think he would feel inauthentic if he tried to be anything else.

  58. And not every performance was what you’d call a snooze. I loved GaGa last night. No one would ever call her a snooze. There is just a way to do it and a way that becomes something of a turn-off. Adam needs to learn the difference.

    Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. Some would love Carrie the best, others the BEPs, others Gaga or Adam. Gaga is not “right”, and Adam “wrong” – art doesn’t work that way.

  59. RCA must be feeling relief that entertainment reporters don’t look up actual airplay and sales data. Doesn’t seem to have been even one mainstream press story noticing Adam’s absence from Top 40 or comparing his early singles sales to peers, even while writing headlines about how his music is set to dominate the market.

    They have a lot of breathing room that way ‘” whatever the actual sales and airplay, when 19E/RCA puts out a release declaring a big victory, a lot of media will go with that, because the storyline has been set. That’s a nice advantage to have.

    the definition of lazy journalism, and what is wrong with a lot of the american media… researching the facts and striving for real context and objectivity in reporting be damned – it’s bothersome, tiresome, and the type of journalism tailor made for a culture that seems to want to be led by the hand, and fed their info without having to actually think for themselves.

  60. Yay Kris!

    some random thoughts:

    1) Kris is a come-from-behind guy, as he proved again and again on AI. He’s the tortoise idol. I’m still not enamored too much with the album, but LLWD — every time I hear it, it’s a total picker-upper.
    I’m going to stop fretting so much about this kid. yeah, the reviews of the album weren’t stellar. But he’s already talking about his next album being more acoustic (where I think he really shines). And very few critics really dumped on him. Most were underwhelmed but respectful — which is OK, if he wows them the next time around.

    I also predict that those initial estimates of sales were off. His stuff could linger quite a while on the charts, rather than causing a big splash then fizzling. As he makes more appearances, and sings LLWD more on big shows like Ellen’s, he’s going to be picking up new fans.

    2) Here’s my problem with ADAMGATE. You gotta love the guy for coming out with guns blazing in his first big post-AI appearance. He was going for the Male Madonna mantle, and having fun being outrageous.

    But IMO Adam’s biggest challenge is overkill — oversinging, over staging, overdoing in general. While his biggest fans may see beyond that, he has to pick up additional fans to have a strong career — just as Kris does.

    There’s an old expression: “Don’t let them see you sweat.” When a performance seems seamless, organic then it really clicks — even if zillions of hours went into creating it. That’s why Fred Astaire is often praised for his “effortless grace.”

    I’m guessing that after so many years of yearning for success, and rigorously polishing his skills, Adam’s is just grabbing the brass ring with all his might. I’m not telling him to relax, exactly, though that might not be a bad thing.

  61. Preorders are counted for soundscan and iTunes chart purposes when they are downloaded. So, for iTunes chart purposes, preorders are counted twice—when the order is made and when the download actually occur. For soundscan/billboard purposes, they only count once, when the download occurs.

  62. Folkfan, so does that apply to the Pass also? I downloaded the freebies on my Pass, but I (and others) have not gotten the album yet!!!! I just wonder if Kris got credit for these Passes. I would imagine so, but who knows?

  63. CHART DATE: 11/23/2009
    LAST UPDATE: 11/23/2009 11:19:54
    NOW IN: 37.17%

    3 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 37,535
    PLAY ON

    10 KRIS ALLEN 19/JIVE/ZLG 26,252
    KRIS ALLEN

    Since Kris is predicted to sell approx. 90 K, does this mean Carrie’s gonna sell another 100K ? Looking good for Idols

  64. jpfan
    With 1/3 the spins, WWFM has more than twice the audience of FYE (thanks to Z100). FYE is pretty done. Plan B to go with WWFM is in effect. Give RCA credit for moving quickly on this one.

    After last night, I’m pretty certain RCA wanted WWFM as the lead single and 19E pushed for FYE and got it with the AMA performance commitment. It also explains the late release of FYE compared to Kris and Allison’s first singles. I don’t think RCA pushed FYE because it wasn’t their choice. Yes, they make all happy face when asked about it. But, why not? RCA was in a win-win situation. They didn’t have to use one of the better singles on the album to promote the album. If FYE succeeded on its own, they just reap in the benefits. And, they had the promotion plan for WWFM on the self in the likelihood FYE tanked.

  65. FYE was never intended as the lead single.

    OK, NOW I’ve heard everything.

  66. I think Kris and Adam are both gonna be successful artists. And they’re both gonna learn as they go. Why do they have to be successful right outta the gate? From a recent Bon Jovi interview:

    So are today’s artists at a disadvantage? “You got a poor kid that wins ‘American Idol’ and then he’s expected to be on the same level or playing field as the Rolling Stones or U2 or Bon Jovi the next day.

    That’s not fair,” Bon Jovi says. “We were allowed to have the third album be the one that was the breakthrough record. I don’t know if a kid these days is ever gonna break 100 million in album sales. I don’t think that’s ever gonna happen again.”


  67. FYE was never intended as the lead single.

    OK, NOW I’ve heard everything.

    Why wasn’t it? FYE didn’t get very much radio promotion from RCA. WWFM got played on Elvis Duran’s show, got played on Open House Party (not FYE)…WWFM is, IMO, more radio friendly (tho FYE was more visual than WWFM), *was* written by Pink…

    FYE the album is doing very well, as noted, and FYE the single is *not* and never has on the regular iTunes chart. I think WWFM will. And what is Adam going to sing on Letterman? FYE? I’m gonna say no to that. Even Adam has said FYE is a club song. WWFM is the radio track. Nothing wrong w/ that.

  68. YAY for Kris!!!

    When is Ellen airing, BTW? I know, that has nothing to do w/ this thread, but since it came up…

    I need to go see how WWFM is doing. I really love that song.

  69. How do the itunes pre-orders fit into this equation? Adam hit No. 1 pop within hours when his album went up for preorder and stayed there for a few days’ ¦.are those preorders now being ‘counted’  again when downloaded to create his chart position, or is it new purchases accounting for his current itunes chart position

    Well, the Itunes rankings are rolling, to an extent, but nobody seems to know what time period they take in — three or four days, maybe? So some of the pre-orders are contributing to today’s rank along with today’s orders …

  70. FYE was never intended as the lead single.

    They have done a video for a song just last week. You do that only for singles.
    It is hard to believe they spent that money just because they feel like it.

  71. FYE the album is doing very well, as noted, and FYE the single is *not* and never has on the regular iTunes chart. I think WWFM will. And what is Adam going to sing on Letterman? FYE? I’m gonna say no to that. Even Adam has said FYE is a club song. WWFM is the radio track. Nothing wrong w/ that.

    None of us has a crystal ball, so we don’t know how well FYE the album is doing. FYE the single sold to Adam’s AI fan base, but due to lack of airplay, those outside of the fan base were never exposed to it. Based just off the sales of FYE and TFM, I wouldn’t over estimate how many pre-orders FYE the album has sold. Those who would pre-order an album that they haven’t heard, wouldn’t hesitate to buy a single that only costs .99.

    To the person above who said that FYE the album was number 1 on itunes pop chart for several days, this isn’t true. It was only number 1 for less than a day, the same for being number 10 on the overall chart. And that ranking was due to the rush of orders that it received, after that rush, it fell rather quickly, as the volume of orders tapered off. The same thing happened to FYE the song over the same period of time as it rose from somewhere in the 70’s to the mid to upper 20’s.

  72. FYE was never intended as the lead single.

    OK, NOW I’ve heard everything.

    Why wasn’t it? FYE didn’t get very much radio promotion from RCA.

    FYE the album is doing very well, as noted, and FYE the single is *not* and never has on the regular iTunes chart. I think WWFM will. And what is Adam going to sing on Letterman? FYE? I’m gonna say no to that. Even Adam has said FYE is a club song. WWFM is the radio track. Nothing wrong w/ that.

    Nobody on purpose puts out a first official radio single and their debut with banner on iTunes, then deliberately lets it tank, especially not in the fragile market for Idols where historically, so many singers who didn’t break before Christmas have never recovered.

    For one thing, this is not only Adam’s album release week but one of the biggest shopping weeks of the year.

    If Adam had a song on the radio (and with FYE on less then 20 US pop stations, he effectively doesn’t), he’s have been in a massively improved situation for this week. Because people would be walking into stores saying “that’s that song I heard.” Not just the hardcore fans who went to stream online, and the folks who heard it once on TV . . . with a lot of distractions.

    Noticably, the song FYE has barely moved up on iTunes today, meaning even massively hyped television exposure didn’t win it a lot of converts as a song.

    That said, each year is different. Because of the huge media attention to AL and more importantly, the vast amounts of money RCA and 19E have already sunk into the launch, I think everyone expects them to fully support the third single and try to nurture it.

    But arguing that FYE the single didn’t work because secretly, the label planned to move on to a another single all along is crazy talk, IMHO.

    Generally labels have whole teams of people dedicated to being in touch with program directors and promoting new songs. Sometimes it doesn’t work. As far as skipping all the in-studio visits and on-air phone interviews and Christmas showcases with local radio that new artists usually do, it’s true that Lambert didn’t do those. We don’t know why. But doubtless not because RCA thought it was fine either way if the single got played or not. They seemed to think he didn’t need it.

    It is also possible that an internal struggle is being waged over how to promote Adam and that that has lead to a lack of coordination. I say that strictly from working in corporate America.

    In any event, this “oh they didn’t mean it with FYE” meme is equivalent to a Presidential candidate saying “we wanted to come third in the Iowa primary, our plan all along was if we win, fine, but we’re not going to try too hard.” They might say that, but it’s not what’s going on behind the scenes.

  73. Even Adam has said FYE is a club song. WWFM is the radio track. Nothing wrong w/ that.

    Nothing except the fact that it was supposed to be his “real” radio single, was sent for adds, and has bombed so far. It’s a wasted opportunity. It’s not going to make it any easier for the next song to get played, and since it’s not being played either, it means Adam’s album has dropped without a hit single to help with sales. Not the end of the world, but also far from the best case scenario. This was supposed to be his first (or 2nd) mainstream single, not just a club song.

  74. Generally labels have whole teams of people dedicated to being in touch with program directors and promoting new songs. Sometimes it doesn’t work. As far as skipping all the in-studio visits and on-air phone interviews and Christmas showcases with local radio that new artists usually do, it’s true that Lambert didn’t do those. We don’t know why. But doubtless not because RCA thought it was fine either way if the single got played or not. They seemed to think he didn’t need it.

    This is how I see it too. From the outside it seems like they all thought that he already is a STAR in the music industry and that none of the typical new-artist promotion was necessary. So far, he has done really well at garnering attention and headlines, not so much with radio play, and sales remain to be seen.

  75. Why wasn’t it? FYE didn’t get very much radio promotion from RCA.

    Light On had even less radio promo in the first weeks (it didn’t even had a radio debut like FYE) and that didn’t stop radio from picking it and playing it.
    A song with radio adds date and a music video is a single. Sometimes singles flop, which seems the case here.

  76. I think radio just rejected FYE. When Elvis Duran of Z100 publically says he doesn’t like your song, it’s a bad sign. I think the rough sex lyrics and lack of a good hook did FYE in.

  77. This is how I see it too. From the outside it seems like they all thought that he already is a STAR in the music industry and that none of the typical new-artist promotion was necessary. So far, he has done really well at garnering attention and headlines, not so much with radio play, and sales remain to be seen.

    This, exactly. They over estimated his fan base, and got cocky. Given the economy, I’m not sure what they were thinking they’d sell with all these tabloid-y appearances and BS. Plus, most people have burned out on that crap. For those who thought the AMAs couldn’t give a song a boost, see: Empire State of Mind, and possibly Shakira. Not a huge boost for her, but a boost nonetheless

    I can’t believe Kris already has adds in Top 40! His single is hold nicely too. Not a huge hit, but now that it’s top 20 and top 40 (still with bullets) it’s certainly respectable. With the adds, it should hold him through the holidays until he has a new single. Slow and steady apparently still wins the race. (Not with Adam. I mean in the music industry and in sales. Adam could have done the same thing.) Here’s hoping Allison’s people take the same strategy.

  78. I think radio just rejected FYE. When Elvis Duran of Z100 publically says he doesn’t like your song, it’s a bad sign. I think the rough sex lyrics and lack of a good hook did FYE in.

    The rough sex lyrics don’t matter. Plenty of radio hits have talked about sex and been very explicit. The song is just not a radio song. Like you said, no hook.

    When did Elvis Duran pan it? I missed that.

  79. So far Kris has been picking up some great add in Hot AC today. He’s got third most so far with only John Mayer and Daughtry picking up more than him – 13 combined, 11 of them are monitored with a little over 50% reporting in.

  80. LLWD has picked up 15 more adds today — 11 in Hot AC, 4 in Top 40

  81. This, exactly. They over estimated his fan base, and got cocky. Given the economy, I’m not sure what they were thinking they’d sell

    19 test markets the crap out of everything. I bet they have his ITunes totals from the season, all the data about his high internet traffic, the presale totals, etc, and the info seemed to indicate to them he would sell like gangbusters. That and making the fatal mistake of taking industry buzz as gospel truth. Sometimes that stuff takes on a mind of its own.

    So far Kris has been picking up some great add in Hot AC today.

    That is excellent news for Kris. Looks like he will be in a solid position when the freeze sets in. His song may be poised to peak in January/February, which would be perfect in order to keep his album afloat during the lean months.

  82. Actually, he’s up to 18, but don’t jinx it (wait I just did)!! He’s kicking major ass in adds today, along with Daughtry.

  83. So far, the only monitored station that has added Adam’s WWFM today is WPLJ-FM in NYC. And no monitored stations have added FYE so far today.

    Allison’s FIBOU has no adds from monitored stations so far this week.

  84. Allison’s FIBOU has no adds from monitored stations so far this week.

    Top 40 adds don’t close until tomorrow which is where I think Allison’s adds always come from.

    I think FYE is basically dead in the water. It’ll be interesting to see how WWFM does.

  85. Keeping track of Adam’s New Single, Real Single and New, Real Single over the last 6 weeks or so has certainly been… interesting.

    Allison’s FIBOU has no adds from monitored stations so far this week.

    :-(

    Essentially this means her album drops without a single playing on the radio too, right? (Not playing for all intents and purposes, I mean.) Argh.

    ETA: Thanks anovich. I hope you are right.

  86. Holy crap, look at those adds! Kirsten, is this common? This many adds so close to the holidays for a song that’s been out at least a month? You’d think they re-released it, or went for adds again.

    Allison needs some TV appearances to boost her profile. FIBOU wasn’t the best choice for a first single. It’s a grower. She needs to perform it some, so people get used to it.

  87. Thanks Dian for Kris’s pictures!

    So happy there are many adds for Kris today!!! yeah!!

  88. 19 test markets the crap out of everything. I bet they have his ITunes totals from the season, all the data about his high internet traffic, the presale totals, etc, and the info seemed to indicate to them he would sell like gangbusters. That and making the fatal mistake of taking industry buzz as gospel truth. Sometimes that stuff takes on a mind of its own.

    RCA handles the pr and performances for the single and album, not 19M. His management can get him on a red carpet, or get him an interview, but RCA handles the music. It’s possible RCA let 19M blow smoke up their ass about his possible sales, but that doesn’t explain who green lighted the album cover, single choice, and that horrid performance.

    I’m telling you, I bet RCA muzzles him soon, and starts micro managing everything. They stand to lose the most out of this.

  89. Wow, Kris is having a very good day for adds on HAC. Mostly smaller markets but this will propel the song higher on the chart. I wonder if coudl go Top 10 on HAC. I see some early Top 40 adds to which is also really good.

    FYE is dead. RCA probably put out an all points bulletin to stop any adds and to get everyone on board with WWFM.

  90. Holy crap, look at those adds! Kirsten, is this common? This many adds so close to the holidays for a song that’s been out at least a month? You’d think they re-released it, or went for adds again.

    That’s not common at all (especially to show such a sudden momentum switch). He might be picking up adds because he’s moved into Top 20 (and the other stations are realizing that this song is here to stay for a while) or because he’s done really well on the call-out data (e.g. RTM that came out a week and half ago. Perhaps too late to effect last week’s adds, but factored into decisions last week). Or maybe they like his videos.

    Or maybe they really, really like Kris’s dapper suit last night.

    BTW I forgot to mention it, but LLWD moved into the Top 100 Overall Chart based on spins this week (that’s across all formats). He’s currently at 98.

    Anyway, this is terrific news going into the Christmas freeze and hopefully it means that he’ll do really well in the New Year when it comes unfrozen and his is one of the newer songs out there.

  91. So for someone who doesn’t follow “adds” or charting much, what exactly does this mean for Kris?! Sorry to sound like such an idiot. I just have never followed spins and charting and stuff.

  92. I’m keeping my eye on the big HAC station in LA – they have not reported yet and many in California have not, either. If LLWD can get those dominoes to fall, he’s going to be poised to do well over the holidays & have momentum going into next year. (omg omg)

  93. “Or maybe they really, really like Kris’s dapper suit last night.”

    This. All other arguments are invalid.

  94. An add just means a radio station officially adds a song to their playlist. The more adds, the more the song gets played on the radio.

  95. Eileen99 – I heard reports that KBIG in LA won’t add LLWD until KIIS adds it. Which means don’t hold your breath on that one. It’s probably a lie but it’s worth putting out there…

    It’s being played in all the nearby suburbs which is a good thing. He’ll be in a good place next year, KBIG or no KBIG.

  96. What’s funny is that a lot of the reviewers that didn’t like LLWD said they couldn’t see where it would fit in terms of radio play, that it was too much a throwback to ’90’s music.

    Well, it seems to have fit on the radio just fine, thank you very much. Still waiting for the Hot AC station here in L.A. to play it though

  97. It’s probably a lie but it’s worth putting out there’ ¦

    LOL I’m sure it’s a lie. KBIG and KIIS play different songs, KBIG doesn’t need KIIS to add songs so they can add it.

  98. Is it always like this with LA radio spins- do they not listen to what is happening in the rest of America – or are they just stubborn & only add what they personally think is top selling- are they usually that out of step?

    Good on ya Kris. So happy that he is continually getting adds – come on LA!!!

  99. Thanks Diane for the link to Lyndsey’s interview – could get lost in all the “controversy” talk!!
    Love that she asked Kris this below- she really is becoming more of a Kris fan!!

    “REALITY ROCKS: So how come you’re not performing tonight, Kris? All the other Idols are.

    KRIS: I have no idea. No one asked me, or I would have been happy to.”

    Yeah Kris – we all wonder why you weren’t asked ?? [ he obviously didn’t fit the AMA’s agenda!!]

  100. Adds:

    Hot AC
    Daughtry 21
    Kris 11
    Carrie 7
    Adam (WWFM) & Jason 2

    AC
    Kelly 10
    Jordin 2 (Battlefield)
    Susan Boyle 2 (Silent Night)
    Adam 1 (TFM)
    Carrie 1 (Hark The Harold Angles Sing)
    Archie 1 (Have Yourself A Very Merry Christmas)
    Kat 1 (I’ll Be Home For Christmas)

  101. REALITY ROCKS: Yeah, ’cause when I think “Kris Allen,” I think “soul female.” Who’s up for it?
    KRIS: Beyonce, Keri Hilson…and…one other person. I can’t remember. I hope it’s on the teleprompter, or I’ll be screwed.

    LOLOLOL OMG I LOVE HIM.

  102. Pam
    11/23/2009 at 6:16 pm

    Adds:

    Hot AC
    Daughtry 21
    Kris 11
    Carrie 7
    Adam (WWFM) & Jason 2

    Am I counting wrong, or doesn’t Kris have 13 adds in HAC? Are you only counting the metered stations?

  103. Am I counting wrong, or doesn’t Kris have 13 adds in HAC? Are you only counting the metered stations?

    Yeah, those are just the monitored stations.

  104. Thanks, Pam. Daughtry is having a good week if those are just monitored stations. Damn!

    Anyway, this is terrific news going into the Christmas freeze and hopefully it means that he’ll do really well in the New Year when it comes unfrozen and his is one of the newer songs out there.

    So what exactly does the “Christmas freeze” do anyway? I know that Christmas music starts taking up radio play, but is that it? Just taking spins away from non-Christmas music?

  105. RCA handles the pr and performances for the single and album, not 19M. His management can get him on a red carpet, or get him an interview, but RCA handles the music. It’s possible RCA let 19M blow smoke up their ass about his possible sales, but that doesn’t explain who green lighted the album cover, single choice, and that horrid performance.

    Oh I’m not arguing with you. I’m just saying 19 surely shared their data with RCA, and a case was made that he was testing through the roof and much money would be made as a result. I bet a similar thing happened with David Cook last year. Add the industry buzz and you have a spending spree going on.

    I’m always willing to cut labels some slack on that first single choice issue, since they don’t have any real time possible vet a song. Also, the performance might have gone much better in rehearsals, especially if he did not do the blow job and the kiss like he says plus he might have sounded a whole lot better. No explanation for that cover, though. LOL

    I’m telling you, I bet RCA muzzles him soon, and starts micro managing everything. They stand to lose the most out of this.

    I think 19 sunk quite a bit of cash themselves, so yea. If his first week sales are less than stellar, we might see some adjustments made.

  106. So what exactly does the ‘Christmas freeze’  do anyway? I know that Christmas music starts taking up radio play, but is that it? Just taking spins away from non-Christmas music?

    Kirsten can explain this so much better than me but just going by memory from last year, there were no new adds to stations the last 2 weeks of the year. As soon as Christmas is over, then the year-end countdowns kick in. Going by this year’s Calendar, Christmas and New Years fall on Friday this year so the earliest the year end countdowns would be done with things slowly getting back somewhat to normal would be Monday (1/4).

  107. yikes from HDD:

    DREAM COMES TRUE: Susan Boyle’s Columbia album, I Dreamed a Dream, which hit the streets today, is already selling two to three times the estimated pre-release total for retailers, on top of breaking the all-time pre-order record at Amazon.com. Based on current tallies, the disc will easily top 500k and could go even higher.

  108. I just posted that in headlines. Those are pretty amazing numbers. I wonder if that’s the biggest opening week of 2009?

  109. tinawina
    I think 19 sunk quite a bit of cash themselves, so yea. If his first week sales are less than stellar, we might see some adjustments made.

    Pay no attention to the conservative, middle aged man in the grey suit standing next to Adam at all times. What taser gun?

    And Subo, holy cow. An object lesson in tapping the zeitgeist right there.

  110. So for someone who doesn’t follow ‘adds’  or charting much, what exactly does this mean for Kris?! Sorry to sound like such an idiot. I just have never followed spins and charting and stuff.

    Well, one thing it means is that he may have reached the tipping point in HAC so that he’ll be playing on many many many stations around the country — a very good thing, obviously! This seems to happen a lot — it’s like there’s some critical mass of stations, and if you can get to that point, a lot of other stations get convinced to pick up your song. … More evidence of the “radio conservatism” that some of us keep talking about — meaning business conservatism, that it’s too risky to be among the first to take a chance on somebody’s song, but once you see other people doing it, you figure that it’s then proving itself so it’s safe for you to pick up.

    Seems that he may have reached this point at HAC, which means he’ll probably go higher in the ranking and certainly won’t drop. Currently, HAC is gradually switching to Christmas music in a lot of places, so everybody’s play will drop over the next weeks. However, when they go back to their regular programming after Christmas, Kris will be on their lists and on their as a newish song from the pre-Christmas period now, so he’ll probably get played a lot in January, too, thus extending the period when new people will be introduced to him via HAC radio play. (HAC radio play doesn’t ever expose you to quite as many people at a swat as Top 40, though, since HAC plays a lot of older songs along with new ones, while Top 40 — CHR — only plays new stuff.)

    Top 40 isn’t picking him up as much, so I don’t know if he’ll ever reach one of those tipping points there. Honestly, LLWD has always seemed like a good HAC song to me but not such a great CHR song. Who knows, though? And occasionally a song will become a long-term hit on HAC and then finally Top 40 will get convinced, so that could happen, although as far as I know that’s a fairly rare phenomenon.

    Good for Kris, is the bottom line here!

  111. Two out of the three HAC stations in my city went Holiday music 24/7 over a week ago, so I wasn’t expecting many adds for FYE, but to get none is definitely not good. Too bad, I like the song and think it would be a fun song to hear on the radio. And Kris and Daughtry got a bunch so there you go. It’s like it wasn’t even given a chance. Oh well, hopefully WWFM can get some pop adds tomorrow and gain some momentum.

  112. Those pics of Kris and Keith Urban huggings melt my heart..

    Me, too! I definitely sat here and said AWWWW! It’s such a *real* hug, just love it. And I love me some Keith Urban :)

  113. A few things:

    (1) As I understand it, itunes passes are treated the same way as preorders for soundscan purposes in terms of when the sales hits. I’ve seen nothing one way or the other, but I suspect that they are also treated the same way as preorders for purposes of the itunes album chart the week that the CD becomes available. The fact that Kris’s first day outpeaked FYE’s supports that to me, given what we saw of their respective preorder rankings.

    (2) KIIS in LA has pretty much never played DC’s music, while KBIG plays it quite a bit and had DC as a guest DJ for a week. I have trouble seeing an HAC station ever limiting itself to songs added by a CHR station, but particularly not a CHR station, like KIIS, that leans heavily toward rhythmic music, which is the part of CHR that HAC is unlikely to play.

    (3) It’s not completely unusual for lead singles to see a boost when the CD drops. So much promo at that time. But yes, it does look good for LLWD staying strong through the holiday freeze.

    (4) I fully believe that the decision was made that FYE would be the lead single, but that something (and maybe it was the leader stations not liking it) has shifted the plan.

  114. LOL yeah what FolkFan said. All of David’s singles have been a regular fixture on KBIG yet KIIS never touched a single song. Same with Daughtry. Lesson to be learned from my many years dealing with this stuff: DJ’s LIE. They will say anything to hold off fans.

  115. Carrie’s “Temporary Home” just got sent out to country radio this afternoon. It’s a 4:19 radio edit, so 11 seconds were cut off. 4:19 is still pretty long for radio and I’m glad they seem to have cut only a portion of the outro. All the lyrics are indispensable to the song, IMO.

  116. Kirsten can explain this so much better than me but just going by memory from last year, there were no new adds to stations the last 2 weeks of the year. As soon as Christmas is over, then the year-end countdowns kick in. Going by this year’s Calendar, Christmas and New Years fall on Friday this year so the earliest the year end countdowns would be done with things slowly getting back somewhat to normal would be Monday (1/4).

    Thanks, Pam.

    Lucy, I think you may be right about the tipping point on HAC. You never know with Top 40. With those 4 adds a day early it’s a good sign, and if he can keep the momentum in the new year he may be able to force Top 40 to pay attention…although not KIIS. I’ve been here long enough to know they suck. Which one is KBIG?

    I think it’s hilarious that the station with a morning show hosted by Ryan, and in the city that hosts the show can’t even play the music. Even the hits!

    I still can’t believe LLWD may have legs! Hee

  117. erinnthered
    11/23/2009 at 10:45 pm

    I think it’s hilarious that the station with a morning show hosted by Ryan, and in the city that hosts the show can’t even play the music. Even the hits!

    Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I really feel like Ryan doesn’t like Kris for some odd reason. I remember Kris was on his show a couple months ago and he was a total douche to Kris. And don’t even get me started on Ryan agreeing with Simon about how Kris was ranked low on the Idol winners list. And then now Ryan is tweeting about how excited he is that NYC is catching up to Little Rock on this Kradison free concert thing. Seriously, it’s like he has it in for Kris or some shit.

  118. Yay Kris!

    Okay, I may be thinking too much, but I remember talking about the slow and steady and the tortoise and the hare after the season ended. I may have started this, but not sure, so if not just forget I posted this. LOL! :)

    Anyway, I do think this describes him to a T. (Tortoise, get it? har, har ;))

    Sometimes I get discouraged, but this is definitely one of the times I’m quite encouraged!

    I hope Adam’s next single takes off. :) I hope to watch him on Letterman on Wednesday.

    Also, a little bummed that John Mayer already has an opener-Michael Franti. (RE: Lyndsay Parker’s Reality Rocks interview.)

  119. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I really feel like Ryan doesn’t like Kris for some odd reason. I remember Kris was on his show a couple months ago and he was a total douche to Kris. And don’t even get me started on Ryan agreeing with Simon about how Kris was ranked low on the Idol winners list. And then now Ryan is tweeting about how excited he is that NYC is catching up to Little Rock on this Kradison free concert thing. Seriously, it’s like he has it in for Kris or some shit.

    I’m gonna call you on this one. I don’t think Ryan dislikes Kris any more than he dislikes Taylor. They’re good people, and it sounds like Ryan likes them as people. He’s like anyone else. He had a favorite, and in this case it’s kind of understandable. Ryan is the epitome of LA, and Adam represents that…in all it’s glossy, shallow, poseur glory. ;)

    Give Ryan time. He’ll come around. Besides, his station dislikes all Idol music. I think they hold their nose when they play Kelly’s music, it’s that bad.

  120. Has any more info on sales come in? BTW, where do you get the sales numbers as they come in?

  121. erinnthered, Ryan was a complete jerk to Kris. But then I didn’t listen to his interview w/Adam so have no idea how that came across. I just think as a dj, Ryan lives in dj jerkville. Usually love him on idol, he runs the show, but as a dj, not so much.

    Also, Ryan mainly cares about Ryan so he’ll hop on any train that is headed to success. I guess this is why he agreed w/ Simon so readily after the show.

    I believe sales info is still sitting at the 37+% reported above. There is a link posted on the Kris Allen NewNowNext thread.

  122. erinnthered
    11/24/2009 at 2:07 am

    Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I really feel like Ryan doesn’t like Kris for some odd reason. I remember Kris was on his show a couple months ago and he was a total douche to Kris. And don’t even get me started on Ryan agreeing with Simon about how Kris was ranked low on the Idol winners list. And then now Ryan is tweeting about how excited he is that NYC is catching up to Little Rock on this Kradison free concert thing. Seriously, it’s like he has it in for Kris or some shit.

    I’m gonna call you on this one. I don’t think Ryan dislikes Kris any more than he dislikes Taylor. They’re good people, and it sounds like Ryan likes them as people. He’s like anyone else. He had a favorite, and in this case it’s kind of understandable. Ryan is the epitome of LA, and Adam represents that’ ¦in all it’s glossy, shallow, poseur glory. ;)

    Give Ryan time. He’ll come around. Besides, his station dislikes all Idol music. I think they hold their nose when they play Kelly’s music, it’s that bad.

    Well, that’s the vibe I always get whenever Ryan talks about Kris on air or comes remotely ten feet of Kris. I don’t listen to radio much, so I don’t really know the history of how Idols are treated in this medium, but I guess if that’s the way they treat all Idols, then I guess there’s no conspiracy here LOL

    I remain pretty annoyed, though, that Ryan keeps on telling people to vote more so Little Rock doesn’t win. He seems peeved that Kris’s hometown will be the recipient of this free show.

  123. Country adds are in:

    Combined reporters:

    Carrie 35 (Temporary Home) 12 unmonitored
    Danny 2
    Kellie 2 (1 unmonitored)

  124. We have a chart now. Wooo! lol

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    3 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 70,441
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