Idol Headlines for 04/12/10 – The Evening Edition

via @19News

Allison Iraheta singing God Bless America LA Dodgers Opening Game April 13

@AllisonIraheta is singing “God Bless America” during the 7th inning at the LA Dodger’s opening game tmrw 4/13. Catch it on MLBN and PRIME!

@19News

2010 CMA Music Festival Single Night Tickets On Sale April 17

04.12.2010 – NASHVILLE –  2010 CMA Music Festival takes place Thursday through Sunday, June 10-13, in downtown Nashville.

Beginning Saturday, April 17, at 11:00 AM/ET (10:00 AM/CT), tickets to the individual Nightly Concerts will go on sale for $30 for general admission in the upper deck of LP Field (plus applicable handling fees). To order tickets, call (262-3378); visit www.ticketmaster.com to buy online or charge-by-phone at 1-800-745-3000. Tickets are also available at any Ticketmaster outlet.

Thursday, June 10: Jason Aldean, Danny Gokey, Alan Jackson, Lady Antebellum, Tim McGraw, and Carrie Underwood.

Sunday, June 13: Trace Adkins, Justin Moore, Brad Paisley, Kellie Pickler, Darius Rucker, and Blake Shelton.

CMA Music Festival

More Idol Headlines after the JUMP…

Cost of saving Big Mike on ‘Idol’ may be high

Everyone onstage looked thrilled on Wednesday night that the “American Idol” judges saved Michael Lynche, and it was easy to feel happy for the flummoxed favorite who made judge Kara DioGuardi cry a few weeks ago and apparently made voters yawn last week.

But the price of his continued presence on the show is high. Considering that the reprieve marks the only time all season that the judges will be allowed to overrule the voters, after the celebration ended and the nine finalists went back to their rooms, the contestants’ natural reaction would have been, “How does this affect me?”

MSNBC

Rob Thomas Open to Mentoring ‘American Idol’ Contestants

Attention ‘American Idol’ contestants: Rob Thomas could be your musical guru.

The Matchbox Twenty singer and hit songwriter told an audience at a TimesTalks event at New York City’s TimesCenter that he would be interested in mentoring on ‘American Idol’ if asked.

“I had a time when I loved [the show], ” he said “and then there was a time when I thought it was killing the music business. Now I have time where I realize there’s a lot of talented people out there and it’s giving them a chance to be heard.”

AOL

Brody Jenner, Avril Lavigne ink and link up at King Ink debut

Motley Crue drummer Tommy Lee also introduced his now-steady girlfriend Sophie to Las Vegas for the first time, and they, too, added ink from the master. Other celebrities attending included Laura Prepon, Juliette Lewis, Lemmy Kilmister, Matt Sorum, Joel Madden, ZZ Top’s Billy Gibbons, Josh Todd, members of Buckcherry, DJ Skribble, Ron White and Kris Allen.

King Ink is an extraordinary tattoo salon, ultra lounge and outdoor after-hours club unlike anything ever seen in Las Vegas. While guests enjoy the bar scene, the retail displays and the dancers under the $500, 000 chandeliers, tattoo artists are at work until dawn breaks.

Las Vegas Sun

Adam Lambert, Ludacris, Train to play KFEST

Ludacris, Adam Lambert, Train, Orianthi, Taio Cruz, Iyaz, Kevin Rudolf, Aaron Fresh and Charice will play the 2010 edition of KFEST, the annual all-day concert staged by Fishkill-based WSPK (104.7 FM) at Dutchess Stadium.

No further information was available. The station promises on its Web site, www.k104online.com, that more information on KFEST will be “coming soon.”

Poughkeepsie Journal

‘American Idol’: Adam Lambert performing at GLAAD awards

“American Idol” runner-up Adam Lambert has added another engagement to his agenda for his brief stop in the U.S. during his international tour — performing at the GLAAD awards.

Adam says of the event, “GLAAD has advocated for out music artists, including myself, and I am proud to be part of the 21st Annual GLAAD Media Awards this year. GLAAD’s work to share stories that grow acceptance and understanding about the gay and transgender community is so important in our culture today.”

Zap2it

Idol Cast-Off Alex Lambert ‘Loving’ If I Can Dream House

In the first week as a cast member of the Web reality show, Lambert has already written a new tune called “I’ve Been Workin’” that he calls “pretty crunk.” On it, Lambert sings, “Baby why you changing and I stay the same/Baby why you staging, this ain’t no play, ” to his girlfriend Raylee. But don’t sharpen those heels just yet, ladies — the 19-year-old says he’s still in love with his girlfriend who is back home in Texas.

But Lambert’s life is definitely changing. For starters he’s gone from sharing a one-bedroom apartment with his mom and three brothers to having his own room. “I like it, but I guess I sometimes get lonely, ” he admits, adding that he has trouble sleeping.

People.com

Pet-Quote-A-Palooza

Our favorite barks and banter from the 11th annual music and animal festival, held Saturday at Star Nursery Field.

Idle on-stage chatter from Kris Allen: “Look at that dog right there. He looks so sad… He must be an Adam (Lambert) fan.”

Las Vegas Weekly

David Archuleta performed alongside Make-a-Wish recipient, Jonah Gomez at the Real Salt Lake soccer game in Utah Saturday night. Jonah has sickle-cell disease. Check out more photos HERE, a video HERE.

Idol’s Jason Castro stays true to his sound

Jason Castro was a breath of fresh air during American Idol’s seventh season, a bit of a revelation before the show was overrun with Jason Mraz-y singer-songwriters.

His run was eventually marred by a lack of experience and a struggle to stay within the parameters of odd-fitting themes. (Mariah Carey week did him no favors.) Freed from those silly constraints, Castro proves an appealing, adept artist on his self-titled debut album, online and in stores today.

There’s spirit in his voice, and the songs crackle with energy. It’s exactly the type of record you’d expect from the dreadlocked Aggie — and a nice surprise at the same time. (Castro grew up in Rowlett, just outside Dallas.) Sunlight seems to stream from the CD case.

Chron.com

Glee’ Season One, Part Two – An Early Look

Hey, folks! Did you hear? ‘Glee’ is coming back on Tuesday! Wow, Fox really kept that comeback under wraps, didn’t they? Gone for four months, they seem to be bringing the show back without a lot of fanfare.

Too bad sarcasm doesn’t translate very well in electronic print, but, believe me, I was rolling my eyes the whole time I wrote the last paragraph. Between the interviews, the appearance on ‘Oprah, ‘ the performance at the White House, the Rolling Stone cover, the weird 9:28PM ET time slot after ‘American Idol, ‘ and pretty much everything else going on, you couldn’t avoid the comeback of ‘Glee’ if you tried.

TV Squad

Jake Pavelka Readies ‘Hot and Steamy’ Tango for DWTS

The number two has been a lucky one for Jake Pavelka. First, The Bachelor-turned-Dancing With the Stars contestant makes a fine twosome with his fiancée, Vienna Girardi, and now he’s a strong duo with his dance partner, Chelsie Hightower.

But last Tuesday, the number was more of a curse, when Pavelka found himself in the bottom two with astronaut Buzz Aldrin, who ultimately ended up heading home on the show.

“It was the biggest shock, ” Pavelka tells PEOPLE of his dangerous encounter with elimination. Like a dramatic rose ceremony, Pavelka says, “I didn’t see it coming. I was tied for fourth place with the judges’ scores and then winding up in the bottom two. It doesn’t matter if you’re getting straight tens. If nobody is voting for you, you will be off.”

People

‘Dancing’s’ Erin Andrews fends off ‘bimbo’ slam

LOS ANGELES – As if tackling the waltz and the cha-cha weren’t hard enough, “Dancing with the Stars” beauty Erin Andrews has now found herself fending off criticism for her involvement in the show — from a fellow female journalist.

Rosie DiManno, a columnist for the Toronto Star, wrote an editorial that slammed the ESPN analyst for joining ABC’s crop of “Stars, ” labeling her a “ballroom bimbo.”

MSNBC

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380 Comments

  1. Jason Castro was a breath of fresh air during American Idol’s seventh season, a bit of a revelation before the show was overrun with Jason Mraz-y singer-songwriters.

    Ohmygosh, so so true. So so sadly true. This season truly is the season of “we’ve seen this all before, but only much better” (IMHO).

  2. Those pics/vids of Jonah performing with David and playing soccer with the team are TOO MUCH. So glad he got to have that special day. He has quite the medical challenges. I’ve read he is looking for a marrow donor. Keeping my fingers crossed for the little guy.

  3. yes, I would love also to see Rob Thomas mentors. Aww I’m happy he opened up that door. Hope it happens this season

  4. Jonah looks like a clone of my 6 year old cousin River. Yes I have a cousin named River. Lol. If you think River is weird you should hear his brothers names! Anywho, I love those pictures.

  5. OMG that picture of Archie with little boy Jonah is absolutely precious. Archie encouraging Jonah to jump in the video is SO adorable! And Jonah sang a glory note!

  6. Apologies if this has been posted in other threads. Adam on Entertainment Tonight Canada talks briefly about mentoring.

    He’s such a flirt and a tease!! :-)

    Love Rob Thomas. He’d be an interesting choice to mentor.

  7. Kanadie Bonttell:
    04/12/2010 at 8:21 pm

    Apologies if this has been posted in other threads. Adam on Entertainment Tonight Canada talks briefly about mentoring.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mly9pY3J88U&feature=player_embedded

    I think he was great in that interview…..funny engaging and informative….I truly believe he is going to be a great mentor…I also don’t understand why people think he is off putting in interviews….I think he is awesome. Oh well different likes and tastes make for a better world.

  8. I agree dhunken. I love watching and listening to his interviews. He just fascinates me to no end. I really can’t wait to see his interviews on UK TV when I’m there next week!!

  9. KrisAllen
    A little baseball in the day and a show tonight. It’s a good day. http://twitpic.com/1f7997 7 minutes ago via Echofon

    uh-oh… I think Kris has said he’s a Braves fan, right?…the Padres are beating the Braves 14-1 today. Ouch!

  10. The picture and video of David and Jonah are so cute! Love them both. :)

    I would die of happiness if Rob Thomas mentored on AI. He’s the best and I think he could give them good advice. Goodness knows, the contestants this year could use some advice.

  11. Archie and Jonah warmed many hearts that night!! Jonah says he’s Arhie’s biggest fan and knows his songs. What cracked me up is how Jonah did the hunkerdown like Archie does and it cracked Archie up and brought tears to many fans. This little kid has two blood diseases and had open heart surgery. He is so delightful!! Think positive and Pray !!

  12. that video of jonah w/david is awesome…. little dude stole the show, and him imitating david’s hunkerdown, going into the glory note on ”beautiful faaaaaaaaace” in ”touch my hand” is priceless, lol… i pray this child finds a donor, and gets whatever he needs to remain healthy, and happy. he was beaming the whole time he was with david, and david shows he is genuinely caring, and willing to do whatever it takes to bring joy into the day and life of ‘his biggest fan’. kudos to the make-a-wish foundation, real salt lake soccer team, and david for giving the little dude a night he will treasure forever.

    http://twitpic.com/1ebyh1

  13. I think he was great in that interview…..funny engaging and informative….I truly believe he is going to be a great mentor…I also don’t understand why people think he is off putting in interviews….I think he is awesome.

    People who don’t like Adam won’t like anything about him. People who are neutral, still say what a charming person he is. He is so intelligent and articulate, he is an interviewer’s dream. I would love to see Adam and his brother, Neil, duke it out in an interview. It’s plain to see how intelligent Neil is, and Adam admits he is. However, from his writings and what Adam has said, Neil is very cynical. (Cynical probably because he is interested in politics.)

  14. Congrats to Jason for the good review in the Chronicle on the album–Gig ’em! ;)

  15. I thought that Adam was very charming and entertaining in that ET Canada piece. Good for him. Too bad it was so brief– I could have taken more!

    Thanks for posting Kanadie.

  16. 1. Aww, Allison, I’m going to the game on Friday. Why couldn’t you be singing then? Ah well, woe for me, good for you, seeing as tomorrow night is a bigger deal.

    2. That picture of Jonah and Archie is too cute for words. What a fantastic day for Jonah and good on Archie for making it so special for him.

    3. This made me laugh: “I had a time when I loved [the show],” he said “and then there was a time when I thought it was killing the music business. Now I have time where I realize there’s a lot of talented people out there and it’s giving them a chance to be heard.”

    Oddly enough, there was a time when I really liked Rob Thomas’s music, then went off him for a while because I thought the music was getting boring and he was kind of a jerk, and now I’ve come back around full circle. I like his current music and while he may be an opinionated guy, he has the smarts and experience to back it up. Plus I like many of the songs he recommends daily on twitter. I think he’d make an interesting mentor.

  17. David and Jonah..David and Jonah. It doesn’t get any cuter than that. I’ve replayed the videos several times over, and even shared them with my co-workers. They’re just stinkin’ adorable, esp. when Jonah goes for the high note of TMH, and the crowd goes wild and David’s laughing so hard he almost falls over. The best duet ever! And little Jonah’s already had a hard life; I hope it doesn’t stay that way.

  18. That MSNBC article on the cost of saving Michael is interesting.

    I am thrilled for Jonah. He was having such a good time!

  19. Cape Cod Times

    Lee must be Catholic. I saw a different article that mentioned him going to a Catholic elementary school.

    ETA: I take that back. I shouldn’t assume he’s Catholic because his family might be.

  20. That MSNBC article on the cost of saving Michael is interesting.

    Yeah, and probably true. If you think about it, we have to make it through 4 weeks of eliminations without any of the following being a surprise cut: Crystal, Casey, Lee, Siobhan: in order for the Big Mike save not to seem like a huge mistake in retrospect. I dunno, I ‘m not feeling too confident in that one. ESPECIALLY if Country Week pops up between now and then, since someone unexpected almost always goes home Country Week. :(

  21. Someone that I follow on twitter that’s at Kris’s performance tonight,said she was talking to Cale,and he said the second single is between two song,doesn’t say which two.Here’s her tweet KA singing second..just had a long convo with Cale. its between 2 singles.She talks about the meeting on the list for tonights show,here’s the list to follow http://twitter.com/krinjalists/april12-hardrock-sandiego. The tweeter I’M talking about is, hazel_eyes11. Cale talks about AWM and TT as what he thinks would be good for radio. And about the new version of TT. And he also said that it’s more then a week away. Before we hear something.

  22. Count me in as someone who would like to see Rob Thomas mentor. He’s really come around on his opinion of AI.

    Loved that article on the dogs at Petapalooza. So cute that one thought Orianthi was boring and Kris was so dreamy she could cry. Yeah, I know the writer was reading into that, but it was still cute. WIsh I could have been there.

    Archie looks so cute with that little boy and YAY Allison! Singing at the Dodgers opening game is huge.

  23. So it seems it’s between TT or AWM for next single.Since those are the two Cale says he thinks are for the radio. If it’s between those two I want AWM.

  24. Thanks for posting the video Kanadie Bonttell. Adam was very charming as usual. Less than 24 hours to AI tomorrow. I can’t wait to see Adam and how he interacts with the contestants (specially Crystal. Siobhan too, I guess – I really hope she steps up this week ’cause she’s losing me).

  25. i’m excited about the livestream tonight… those of radio are always good quality!!! yayayayay!!

    hmm even though Cale is talking about what he thinks would be good for the radio (TT and AWM), it doesn’t mean it’s necessarily between those 2. I might be wrong though
    I choose , i dont’ now.. i like both :p

    Kris signing last tonight. Sarah Bereilles in 10 minutes

  26. A new version of TT …….how will it work? Oh i guess the actual version is a bit too long for air play, isn’t it?

  27. I like both two Mtlfan but I really want AWM but I think if it’s The Truth it well be the new verison that we were hearing about. Am excited about tonight to am listening now. I wonder how long each well perform.Well it well be at least a week before we know anything.

  28. American Idol should have invited Rob Thomas instead of talentless Adam Lambert .

  29. excerpted here, more at the link…
    ———————————————-
    Season 7 Idols rushing to our musical rescue

    April 12th, 2010

    Does it seem like we’ve been in a bit of an Idol musical drought? Well, it’s not your imagination. So far in 2010, we’ve had one high-profile release, that being Danny Gokey’s debut album. Add a sophomore effort from season five runner-up Katharine McPhee and an independent release from season eight contestant Scott MacIntyre, and that’s been it in terms of full CD-length releases from American Idol contestants so far this year.

    But a musical rescue is on the horizon. And it couldn’t come from a better source — the season seven Idols. That year of Idol will always rank as one of my favorites because of the talent level, the musical diversity and the personalities involved. And, as Randy Jackson would say, “Check it out, Dawg.” We’ve already had solid first albums from season seven champ David Cook and runner-up David Archuleta, plus label-worthy independent releases from Michael Johns, Brooke White and, yes, Amanda Overmyer. What do we have to look forward to in 2010?

    http://ydblogz.com/chatter/?p=8881

  30. Yeah, the upstream for Kris is going to be really nice.
    And wow those people are going to be so close to Kris.
    I’m so jealous.

  31. Between AWM and TT I prefer AWM. I can def hear it on radio and it’s a cute summer song. But if they add another voice in TT, like featuring sb, and make the song faster and shorter, I can see it play on pop, hac and ac. I like them both better than LLWD.

    btw, AWM is a good commercial song. Ford is using it, right?

  32. david is jamming tonight at an owl city concert in utah… he sure gets around to a lot of concerts… i did too when i was his age, and i miss it…

    DavidArchie

    LIGHTS was awesome! Owl City is on now :) . It’s cool seeing the violinist and cellist up there part of the band doing their thing

    half a minute ago via txt

  33. wow Sara bareilles did a really short set. She’s done already! Kris should be up in about 10-15 minutes

  34. Danny won a WAMI (Wisconsin Area Music Industry) award tonight for Best Male Vocalist. :)

  35. Someone that I follow on twitter that’s at Kris’s performance tonight,said she was talking to Cale,and he said the second single is between two song,doesn’t say which two.Here’s her tweet KA singing second..just had a long convo with Cale. its between 2 singles.She talks about the meeting on the list for tonights show,here’s the list to follow http://twitter.com/krinjalists/april12-hardrock-sandiego. The tweeter I’M talking about is, hazel_eyes11. Cale talks about AWM and TT as what he thinks would be good for radio. And about the new version of TT. And he also said that it’s more then a week away. Before we hear something.

    Oh no. The Truth is one of my least favorite songs on his CD. And Alright with Me is such an obvious choice–getting the tv snippets on the Ford commercials–everyone will already know it, just like Unwritten when it was used on the Herbal Essence commercials or 1,2, 3, 4 on the nano commercials.

    Please let it be Alright with Me . . . and please let it be soon–LLWD has crested.

  36. Danny won a WAMI (Wisconsin Music Industry Award) award tonight for Best Male Vocalist.

    I’m glad for him :)

    ——————

    I listened for one song and 1/2 to Sara Bareille. she has a nice voice and interpretive skills but founded her uneven in her delivery.
    YaY Kris now.. I wish he has a long set. Is he with the band tonight or only with Cale?

  37. Oh no. The Truth is one of my least favorite songs on his CD. And Alright with Me is such an obvious choice–getting the tv snippets on the Ford commercials–everyone will already know it, just like Unwritten when it was used on the Herbal Essence commercials or 1,2, 3, 4 on the nano commercials.

    If TT is released (and i agree with a shorter version made for airplay!), AWM will be released afterward, I guess at the start of summer. I’ve the feeling they have this well in hand but they are a week or 2 behind what would have been a better timing. Probably because LLWD was still selling a lot. what do i know about best timing?? :)

  38. I checked the pictures (so you don’t have to). He looks sexy . . . if you’re into a young, condensed Spock.

    i’m partial to guys w/the brainy, alien-ishness look and vibe of spock, lol… ric ocasek of the cars, anyone, lol… just a little quirk o’mine… i’ll wait till he’s at least in his 20’s b4 reassessing him personally on a ‘sexy’ scale… i can’t see beyond his voice right now :)

  39. Haha – the crowd just voted about whether Kris should do a short set or a long set — long set one (although I heard a couple of votes for a short set)

  40. So Cale’s heard the new version of The Truth? I wonder what sort of tweaks they made to it, other than possibly adding Pat’s vocals and shortening it.

  41. yeah I heard a couple of votes for short set also. Am so glad it’s not a short set even thou it’s already almost 12 pm were I’M at. But my kiddies are off this week for spring break so I can sleep in longer tomorrow.

  42. And now we know the real reason they asked Adam back to be a mentor so soon. From Slezak’s interview with Ken Warwick.

    Brilliant! Okay, so how are you feeling about the show overall? There’s obviously been criticism that season 9 got off to a sleepy start. Do you think having Adam Lambert come in this week is going to shake things up and infuse the show with that added bit of drama that he generally manages to bring to the screen?
    I sincerely hope so. Because the guy is an incredible talent, and he had an incredible following. And it kind of upsets me that at the moment he’s not doing quite as well… [Pauses.] I don’t know what possessed him to do what he did at the AMAs, but he’s still struggling to live it down. And everybody says to me every week, ‘When are you gonna bring back Adam?’ They want to see him as he was. And hopefully we’re gonna do that for him this week, and we can start putting him back firmly where he belongs, as a major star. Because the guy is an incredible talent. He genuinely is. And it kind of breaks my heart to see someone with that much talent struggle a bit. So hopefully we can do back for him as he can do for us.
    http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/04/12/american-idol-adam-lambert-ken-warwick/

  43. Kris called the crowd “sexy and handsome” — even though he was blinded by the lights

  44. somebody in the crowd totally hit on Cale just now…and Kris is really making funny cracks about Cale, saying he’s always asking for stuff. This is going to be a fun show

  45. Either Kris was drinking or just feeling good his so goofy tonight but sounds so fantastic. So far Heartless /mash up,and BWCU.

  46. That interview with Warwick was very revealing, I wonder why he went on to say that Adam was struggling at the moment, is there some underlying strategy or is he being brutally honest?

  47. OMG Cale’s dad is there and just yelled out that he wants Kris’s body! LOL LMAO

    Kris keeps asking Cale about the set list too. Too funny

  48. I think Ken would have hoped both Adam and Kris would be doing better in terms of record sales. There was so much hype after last season, and neither have really “broken out” yet.

  49. I don’t know if he drinks,his probably just feeling good. He sure is funny tonight and sounds so damn awesome.

  50. That interview with Warwick was very revealing, I wonder why he went on to say that Adam was struggling at the moment, is there some underlying strategy or is he being brutally honest?

    I think he is probably aware of all the opportunties Adam missed out on because of the backlash against the AMA performance. He surely seems to think Adam should be doing much better than he is at the moment. At least in sales. Not that he isn’t successful, but with his talent he should be at the top of the sales chart!

  51. From somebody without fangoggles I would say Adams struggling at the moment. With his image more than anything. All the teens I know think that BJ thing at the AMAs was gross and refused to buy his music. And My teen friends aren’t even Christians.

  52. As far as the Warwick comments, that’s just his views as a television producer. He’s not involved in Adam’s career, as far as I know. The expectations for Adam were very high, I guess. He’s far more successful than most of the artists I listen to. Glad Adam was available to liven up Ken’s program for him.

  53. Oh my goodness Kris is so effing cute tonight…………………can’t hardly contain myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is so good & so much fun to listen & watch! Just love it! :)

  54. It’s good that Ken Warwick is concerned of Adam’s success. Hope AI can invite Adam to perform at the finale which will help IIHY more efficiently than what can be done on WWFM.

  55. Kris: “It was either ‘I want your babies or I have rabies’ — either way, stay away from me”

    This show is f’ing amazing! Either he and Cale are drunk, high or just really really happy, but this show has been so weirdly awesome

  56. OMG the livestream is AWESOME and they are on some kind of bantering role tonight!
    Jazzy handed snapping hip rolling Kris: “I’m not listening to you anymore!”

  57. Ken Warwick is entitled to his opinion, even if I disagree with it a bit – concerning the struggling part. But what warms my heart is this comment:

    Because the guy is an incredible talent. He genuinely is. And it kind of breaks my heart to see someone with that much talent struggle a bit. So hopefully we can do back for him as he can do for us.

    Adam sure does seem to attract the loyalty and allegiance of a lot of people. It’s true, they love him so much. lol.

  58. Kris and Cale are hysterical tonight! Loved Everybody Wants to Rule the World. They used that in his homecoming package. Still can’t quite get past the snapping “I’m not listening to you anymore”…

  59. Ford commercials yeah!

    Kris has 2 Fords — but they’re good for the environment, y’all!

    This is the best concert evah

  60. Kris is something else tonight what happening to the Kris were use to. But god am I love this. It’s so fantastic crazy and so much fun.

  61. Kris thinks there should be a rapper in the middle of AWM — Jay-Z …Ludacris…or

    Vanilla Ice???

  62. I am enjoying the Kris concert!

    Warwick, BTW, doesn’t say Adam is a major star, just that he should be. And I agree.

  63. girlygirl:
    04/13/2010 at 12:26 am

    Ford commercials yeah!

    Kris has 2 Fords — but they’re good for the environment, y’all!

    This is the best concert evah

    Where? On DWTS?

  64. is there a Kris Livestream tonight ?
    At 8:00 pm PST

    http://radiosophie.radio.com/2010/04/12/sara-bareilles-and-kris-allen-live-in-sophies-lounge/#more-2594

    I LOVE THIS LIVE STREAM!! I would go see Kris in concert and love him and his vocals. His voice is so mellow and Kris is a very entertaining conversationalist! I truly believe in time he will be a well-established star! He is such a hard worker. As for the next single, my favorite is Before We Come Undone, but there are several that I think will be hits. I love all the songs on his album and don’t need the radio. I pretty much only listen to my ipod!

    RE: Warwick comments on Adam Lambert

    I am the most loyal unconditional Adam forever fan. His voice is comforting to my chronic pain, don’t know why, guess it’s an energy thing. I have also followed almost every tidbit of info that’s come out about Adam, so I like his personality too. But,it crushes my heart just as it did the night of the AMAs to hear that what Adam did is having longlasting repercussions. It was a surprise to me and I think that Adam must have acted impulsively. It was just so desperate and not a fine vocal, very very unlike the showman that Adam has always been. I personally think it was too early in his career and he acted under all the pressure going on at the time. He is SO talented! I do hope that mainstream public who were turned off, do give him another chance. But I think it will take time…

  65. BeckyMD:
    04/13/2010 at 12:19 am
    It’s good that Ken Warwick is concerned of Adam’s success. Hope AI can invite Adam to perform at the finale which will help IIHY more efficiently than what can be done on WWFM.

    That would be awesome! Maybe it will happen!
    Ken, keep watching out for Adam! :)

  66. Kris should do AWM on Idol and get people/swaypitters to do the audience participation part. That could break Idol. He LOVES to do sing that song and jump around.

  67. This livestream is amazing. Kris’ vocals sound amazing, and his banter has me in tears. He is just so hyper tonight. That version of Is It Over was amazing, and so was The Truth.

  68. Cale is a hot looking guy singing FYE…and WWFM.

    Kris is talking about Adam right now.

  69. I read again and do see Warwick’s perspective. He seems to be hoping that Adam’s appearance will spark some of the fans from last year. Problem is, Adam seems to be more “him” now and that image/lifestyle/sound doesn’t always mesh with the masses. It’s not safe Idol. But, Ken’s right.

  70. girlygirl:
    04/13/2010 at 12:37 am

    Kris is talking about how much he loves WWFM

    That Adam came to Kris and asked him what Kris thought about WWFM and Kris told him “You have to do this song for you cd”

    Who knew.

  71. tinydance

    No…the livestream of Kris’s concert down in SD tonight. He’s so hyper and funny and Cale is being just as goofy

  72. David Archuleta is so cute. Archie is a natural for all seasons of giving.

  73. Crystal Boworsox gave a shout out to VOTE FOR THE WORST on twitter.

    LOL

  74. :( Kris, don’t go.

    Wow. That was so much fun. He is so great and Cale too.

    The guy said that it will be posted on the website ?

  75. I think Cale’s much-bantered about father should become a roadie. I am going to credit him with whatever level of drunkeness, giddiness or snappy happiness that was. That was fun!

  76. I missed the 1st part with the banter. I hope someone youtube’s it so i can watch it later.

  77. And it kind of breaks my heart to see someone with that much talent struggle a bit. So hopefully we can do back for him as he can do for us.

    yup, i figured this is THE reason Ken / 19 has brought back Adam. to help with his mid level sales and so so radio success. it has zero to do with any mentor like “credentials”. again, i dont blame 19, they have an investment to protect. but i still find it amusing they are trying so hard to make Adam happen. fk, give the guy some time, he cant succeed over night. (and if he doesnt strike gold this time around, there is always hope for the second album).

  78. I just realized that Kris is probably the best guitar player to come out of idol (till, maybe Casey). He has a lot of guitar to deal with as well as singing. This guy is working hard up there. I bet he prays for the day he doesn’t have to sing LLWD. Tiring.

  79. wand3rful:
    04/13/2010 at 12:51 am

    And it kind of breaks my heart to see someone with that much talent struggle a bit. So hopefully we can do back for him as he can do for us.

    yup, i figured this is THE reason Ken / 19 has brought back Adam. to help with his mid level sales and so so radio success. it has zero to do with any mentor like “credentials”. again, i dont blame 19, they have an investment to protect. but i still find it amusing they are trying so hard to make Adam happen. fk, give the guy some time, he cant succeed over night. (and if he doesnt strike gold this time around, there is always hope for the second album).

    Did they do that for other previous idol contestants? You know make them mentors because they didn’t sell what 19E thought they should?

    That is quite unfair.

  80. I’m off to bed totally ecstatic – Kris & Cale were fabulous & funny………………….I’m so happy for them! When I wake up tomorrow I will most likely still have this big smile on my face! :)

  81. I want to gush over Kris some more, but I want to comment on this post:

    Warwick, BTW, doesn’t say Adam is a major star, just that he should be. And I agree.

    But, why does he have to be a major star right now, and how does it make sense to expect him to be a major star right now? All Adam did was come in second on a televised talent show, and gain himself some rabid fans. Why not let him build his career like everyone else, and get some hits under his belt before we start labeling him a major star and expecting people to just buy into that label.

    This is mostly 19’s doing, and they haven’t done Adam any favors. This is basically their MO, they are all about style over substance, and believing that they can manipulate people. They believe that they can create this image and that people are just going to buy into it. Adam isn’t performing under their expectations because of the AMA, their expectations were stupid and too high to begin with. He’s performing at this level because he’s a new artist, and people aren’t going to pay a lot of attention to the crap that 19 has been pushing until Adam shows that he can actually deliver hits. That’s where the focus should have been, instead of on the superficial, and building Adam up into something that he isn’t.

    Sorry for the rant.

  82. I think radiosophie.com is going to replay that.
    I hope they do the whole thing *with* the banter. It was really good qualitya nd really fun. I’m not a livestream watcher usually but the sound was fantastic.
    Maybe MJ will post the link when it’s up.

  83. iTunes Singles Update
    28. Whataya Want from Me – Adam Lambert
    33. Live Like We’re Dying – Kris Allen

    These two never stay separated for long. Kris was in the mid 40s not too long ago. Adam should get a bump after his performance Wednesday.

  84. Crystal did indeed mention VFTW, the contestants are given way more space in their twitter and facebook account that I would have thought at first

  85. Awwww, it’s over. :( That was so much fun and hilarious!! Okay, will someone be asking Kris if he had been drinking? Wasn’t he asked this when he was in New Orleans and he hadn’t been? He was in rare form then too! I’ll bet he just had a beer or two. Loved the swirling dance on AWM!!

  86. I think Cale’s much-bantered about father should become a roadie. I am going to credit him with whatever level of drunkeness, giddiness or snappy happiness that was. That was fun!

    Haha, that banter was hilarious. I love how Kris said they’d have to meet up after the show…such a tease. Something about him attracts a tremendous amount of man love.

  87. But, why does he have to be a major star right now, and how does it make sense to expect him to be a major star right now? All Adam did was come in second on a televised talent show, and gain himself some rabid fans. Why not let him build his career like everyone else, and get some hits under his belt before we start labeling him a major star and expecting people to just buy into that label.

    This is mostly 19’s doing, and they haven’t done Adam any favors. This is basically their MO, they are all about style over substance, and believing that they can manipulate people. They believe that they can create this image and that people are just going to buy into it. Adam isn’t performing under their expectations because of the AMA, their expectations were stupid and too high to begin with. He’s performing at this level because he’s a new artist, and people aren’t going to pay a lot of attention to the crap that 19 has been pushing until Adam shows that he can actually deliver hits. That’s where the focus should have been, instead of on the superficial, and building Adam up into something that he isn’t.

    I can see your point. 19E just revealed what many people already guessed, that they are pushing and trying everything in their power to manipulate Adam’s success. They didn’t do that for other 2nd place finishers as I recall.

  88. I do hope that mainstream public who were turned off, do give him another chance.

    i actually think his poor vocals and the quality of the song were the main reasons the AMA’s performance sucked…his new single is doing well, and i think by the time he drops his third single, he’ll be fine. im just afraid 19, Sony, Ken (as well as his over zealous fans) had such HIGH expectations that anything less than world domination is considered a struggle. he’s not the next bowie, gaga, madonna, he’s just adam. thats it. if thats not enough for 19, too bad. next time, dont over pimp the contestants to death, not only on the show, but in the media. anyone can be a celebrity (kate gossling is a FINE example), it doesnt say much about a person’s talent level or sales potetial.

    ah, LOST, GLEE, IDOL, AND V tomorrow???? cant wait

  89. And it kind of breaks my heart to see someone with that much talent struggle a bit. So hopefully we can do back for him as he can do for us.

    Holy crap. He said that?

    Ken Warick owes MJ a big floral arrangement and a bottle of vodka. LOL. Yikes.

  90. yup, i figured this is THE reason Ken / 19 has brought back Adam. to help with his mid level sales and so so radio success. it has zero to do with any mentor like “credentials”. again, i dont blame 19, they have an investment to protect

    Then why not bring Kris back to mentor? He needs it more than Adam?
    Why didn’t they bring Jordin or Archie back to protect their investment? Even Cook? He won but didn’t have sales anything like Carrie or Daughtry. Didn’t they want to protect their investment with him?

    dont over pimp the contestants to death, not only on the show, but in the media.

    19E has no control over the media outside of AI. If they want to write about you, they are going to.

  91. I thought this was very telling what Warwick said

    And it kind of breaks my heart to see someone with that much talent struggle a bit. So hopefully we can do back for him as he can do for us.

    Is 19E doing the same for Danny, Kris and Allison?

  92. Then why not bring Kris back to mentor? He needs it more than Adam?
    Why didn’t they bring Jordin or Archie back to protect their investment? Even Cook? He won but didn’t have sales anything like Carrie or Daughtry. Didn’t they want to protect their investment with him?

    i guess the answer is not as much is invested in them as in Adam?

  93. Then why not bring Kris back to mentor? He needs it more than Adam?
    Why didn’t they bring Jordin or Archie back to protect their investment? Even Cook? He won but didn’t have sales anything like Carrie or Daughtry. Didn’t they want to protect their investment with him?

    Tell that to 19E.

    It shows favoritism and unfairness on the part of 19E. It also shows that 19E is biased and is more concerned with the 2nd place finisher than any of the other contestants…which was obvious.

  94. Did they do that for other previous idol contestants? You know make them mentors because they didn’t sell what 19E thought they should?

    That is quite unfair.

    They didn’t do that for other 2nd place finishers as I recall.

    Maybe they think Adam has more star potential than some of the others. And even if some folks can’t see it, Adam is a very, very talented singer / entertainer. He just is.

  95. . It also shows that 19E is biased and is more concerned with the 2nd place finisher than any of the other contestants…which was obvious.

    Okay- I’ll take it!!! Maybe they will have Adam back for the finale! :)

  96. Maybe they think Adam has more star potential than some of the others. And even if some folks can’t see it, Adam is a very, very talented singer / entertainer. He just is.

    Apparently not. Warwick said that Adam’s songs were tanking after the AMA performance and that they STEPPED in to help him out.

    Which IS unfair. Are they doing that for the others?

    Nope.

  97. Where is Allison on Idol this season?

    She needs more help than Adam.

  98. Apparently not. Warwick said that Adam’s songs were tanking after the AMA

    No, he said he was stuggling. That could mean many things.

    (and if he doesnt strike gold this time around, there is always hope for the second album).

    His album and two singles have already struck gold…in several countries! LOL

  99. Which IS unfair. Are they doing that for the others?

    Nope.

    i feel for you tinydance, but what can we do? i don’t have the money to buy up 50% sony’s stock and vote off its management :(

  100. Then why not bring Kris back to mentor? He needs it more than Adam?
    Why didn’t they bring Jordin or Archie back to protect their investment? Even Cook? He won but didn’t have sales anything like Carrie or Daughtry. Didn’t they want to protect their investment with him?

    19 isn’t portraying these people as being superstars, not even the people who started out doing a whole lot better than Adam is doing. We all knew and know that 19 is focusing more on Adam than they have Kris, and they’ve done more for Adam than they’ve done for anyone else during the history of this show, but obviously they aren’t seeing the return that they expected. 19’s expectations were out of whack, and never made any sense. Nobody knows for sure, but I’d be interested to see what type of profit they’ve made, if any.

    Wednesday’s appearance is just another attempt to repackage Adam.

  101. If his albums have stroke gold in other countries why try to force Adam on the show?

    Let him mentor in those countries, not on American Idol.

  102. i don’t think Warwick/19 are doing any favor to Adam by lamenting publicly over the fact that Adam is not having a bigger success than what he has actually. Like if i’m going to buy this kind of victim’s story. Sorry, it leaves me cold. Adam just has to work his way up and he should be able to do it with the talent he has.

  103. Holy crap. He said that?

    Ken Warick owes MJ a big floral arrangement and a bottle of vodka. LOL. Yikes.

    Huh? Why?

  104. That is why you have been seeing Adam everywhere because of the UNFAIRNESS of 19E.

  105. His album and two singles have already struck gold…in several countries! LOL

    Those Canadian sales really mean a lot. Obviously, 19 was expecting more. It’s funny how when Jordin put up identical numbers, everyone called her a failure. She wasn’t getting the hype and publicity that Adam is getting, but she did have mega hit singles that resulted in people buying her album.

  106. tinydance:
    04/13/2010 at 1:13 am
    Where is Allison on Idol this season?

    She needs more help than Adam

    ha, seriously! but it was obvious last year they didnt give a F about allison, so if she tanks, she tanks. they dont see her as a potential star.

    which is too bad, allison is the real deal. instead we are stuck w. the likes of skanks like Kesha and Demi Lavato on the charts.

  107. Let’s face it. 19E has never given ANY contestant from any season the same exposure they have given Adam.

    This shows bias and unfairness on their part…and he didn’t even win.

  108. I don’t have a real problem with Ken Warwick’s comments regarding Adam. But he should have as much concern about the other former Idols who are signed to 19 as he does for Adam. Last I heard, he couldn’t even remember Kris’s name. There’s something seriously wrong with that.

  109. Wednesday’s appearance is just another attempt to repackage Adam.

    I guess so. I mean that is pretty much what he said. I just would love to see what kind of research data they’ve been getting… I knew the AMAs had an effect but I just assumed it was only with the Idol fanbase. Wow.

    I bet they have him retract that statement by morning. Or have someone else counter it. There is no way 19M let that stand. Totally breaks Adam’s image.

    Huh? Why?

    Because there is a lot of modding in her future, that’s why. :)

  110. ha, seriously! but it was obvious last year they didnt give a F about allison, so if she tanks, she tanks

    The same could be said after Adam’s DISASTROUS AMA performance…19E STEPPED IN and help out Adam and even put him on as a mentor, yet he has not been as successful as Carrie or Kelly.

  111. Love Kris’s show tonight! Geez he was soo good and funny. I don’t bellieve one minute he drank anything. He’s just an happy guy and someone who LOVES performing and it shows

  112. Let him mentor in those countries, not on American Idol.

    LOL, sorry this made me giggle :)

  113. Because there is a lot of modding in her future, that’s why.

    will Slezak’s article on tmr’s headline thread?

  114. But he should have as much concern about the other former Idols who are signed to 19 as he does for Adam. Last I heard, he couldn’t even remember Kris’s name. There’s something seriously wrong with that.

    agreeing 1000% with you girlygirl.
    btw thanks for the download links.. that was fast :D

  115. Because there is a lot of modding in her future, that’s why. :)

    Ohhhhh! Hee hee! Sorry mj!!

  116. Let him mentor in those countries, not on American Idol.

    wouldn’t that be unfair to the other countries’ own idols?

  117. If his albums have stroke gold in other countries why try to force Adam on the show?

    Because they want to make me happy and put Adam on my TV for two glorious nights!!?? LOL
    Hey- maybe he will get to sing two songs on Wednesday night! I’m happy that this Ken guy (who is the producer of the show and NOT a record producer) loves Adam! Like I said…maybe we might get to see Adam on the finale also! :)

  118. ut he should have as much concern about the other former Idols who are signed to 19 as he does for Adam. Last I heard, he couldn’t even remember Kris’s name. There’s something seriously wrong with that.

    Is Ken Warrick affiliated with 19M? I thought that was just Simon Fuller.

  119. I am so thankful for Adam always getting the pimp spot from 19, because that is where he belongs! :)

    If I read it correctly he actually says they are having Adam back because people have been asking for him..the end product of this would be a boost in his career and there ratings.

  120. Like I said I always suspected that Adam Lambert was A PROFESSIONAL PLANT on AI to give them more sales. AI is not interested in finding the talent that Simon describes, they are interested in placing professionals in the midst of amateurs.

    Professionals like Adam.

  121. Coming off of Idol Adam had the momentum with the attention of both the AI audience (which including many who watched only because of Adam) and the press. He already had the exceptional talent. The AMA’s were lined up IMHO as a major pimp spot for him, but it turned onto a major mis-step, not only because of the “incident” with Tommy that alienated a cross-section of the country but also – and I think more importantly – because the vocals and the performance in general were not up to Adam’s usual standards. He lost a lot of his AI fans with his antics and didn’t attract any new fans because of his voice. He lost his momentum and then lost several of his chances to recapture it when doors began to be shut to him. Warwick probably has a better knowledge as to just what doors were shut at the time and which continue to be so.

    Why does Adam need to be a major star right now? Because as Bucky Covington reminded us recently, America’s attention span is short, and you only have so much time to make an impact. Adam already has what it takes to be a major force in the industry, but if the US market hasn’t realized that by now, what’s going to make them do so in the future? In the business of show you are only as good as your last effort. Adam’s current effort needs to be a solid hit so that he will get the chance to continue to amaze and entertain us.

    These aren’t the times when artists were nurtured by their labels and allowed time for growth or discovery. These are the days of SuBo and the Fetus. You go big or you go home.

  122. girlygirl:
    04/13/2010 at 1:20 am

    I don’t have a real problem with Ken Warwick’s comments regarding Adam. But he should have as much concern about the other former Idols who are signed to 19 as he does for Adam. Last I heard, he couldn’t even remember Kris’s name. There’s something seriously wrong with that.

    Truer words have never been spoken.

  123. When David, Archie, Jordin, etc were brought back they weren’t brought on for a two day showcase as a mentor. This is completely different and they certainly weren’t being touted as the next global superstar. I’m so glad Ken said what he said and made things much more clear. Wanna bet they’ll present Adam with plaques for all the countries he went gold/platinum in? Something else never been done before. God forbid they give their superstar a lousy gold album.

  124. 19E has no control over the media outside of AI. If they want to write about you, they are going to.

    they dont control but they do influence. simon spent mucho time during the season, even in the EARLY rounds pimping Adam… they swayed Adam to stay quiet after the burning man photos came out, thus creating the “when is he coming out” buzz. and im sure they have PR, Media connections to get press. they are not stupid, its showbiz baby!

  125. Let him mentor in those countries, not on American Idol.

    wouldn’t that be unfair to the other countries’ own idols?

    You mean like it is unfair here…in the U.S.?

  126. I don’t have a real problem with Ken Warwick’s comments regarding Adam. But he should have as much concern about the other former Idols who are signed to 19 as he does for Adam. Last I heard, he couldn’t even remember Kris’s name. There’s something seriously wrong with that.

    This is my problem with 19’s stance. They are just so stupid, they have no clue what will work in this country. I seriously doubt that they could have predicted that Carrie would do as well as she has, so why not get behind everyone to ensure that they are successful.

    What they are doing, especially considering that Kris won is just so wrong. And I don’t even know how someone like Jordin feels, when Adam is being labeled a superstar, and flown all over the world, but their numbers are almost identical, with the exception that her first three singles were all radio hits and sold Platinum, and his first (two) singles flopped.

    The people at 19 don’t have a clue about what they are doing. This is why they should not be managing anyone, not even Adam.

  127. I don’t get it why people are thinking that 19E stepping out to help Adam out would be so unfair or even wrong. 19E isn’t a kindergarten where everyone gets a golden star for participating.

    probably ppl vote and vote to find an AI winner? and you know by voting via phone ppl own some shares in 19E. i don’t know the exchange rate tho.

  128. Let him mentor in those countries, not on American Idol.

    Huh? I don’t understand that comment…

    ———————————-

    Anyway, it is too bad that they won’t let Adam’s career grow a bit more organically. You can’t make him be a star, you can’t force him on people.

    I think Adam is hugely talented; Warwick is right on that front. But I also agree with @Mtlfan that Ken isn’t doing Adam any favors by publicy saying he is helping Adam out, propping him as it were.

  129. These aren’t the times when artists were nurtured by their labels and allowed time for growth or discovery. These are the days of SuBo and the Fetus. You go big or you go home.

    So sad, so true.

  130. If AI wants to be fair they should bring back the WINNERS of previous Idol shows like David Cook, Jordin Sparks, Kelly Clarkson, Kris Allen and Carrie Underwood…NOT someone who was in 2nd place to mentor.

  131. Tinydance

    Allison was on Idol back in February…on the same show as Kris.

  132. probably ppl vote and vote to find an AI winner? and you know by voting via phone ppl own some shares in 19E. i don’t know the exchange rate tho.

    i can understand the annoyance by some fans that 19 is giving more attention to adam than they have previous winners. LOL, yeah, viewers dont own 19 but one would think that when we pick up the phone and decide on a winner, that winner gets treated like a, i dont know…A WINNER? But if 19 picks and chooses who they want to support regardless of voter outcome, then why bother voting?

  133. But I also agree with @Mtlfan that Ken isn’t doing Adam any favors by publicy saying he is helping Adam out, propping him as it were.

    I don’t think anyone is fooled by what 19 is doing, and I think that eventually someone in the mainstream media is going to call them out in regards to the different ways that they treat Kris and Adam. One publication already stated that Kris would be selling more than he is if he had the promotion that Adam is getting. I think most people know that the hype doesn’t match reality.

  134. But if 19 picks and chooses who they want to support regardless of voter outcome, then why bother voting?

    EXACTLY.

    That is why it is a contest.

    The votes decide who 19E is supposed to help, not what they want…then why watch and vote if 19E is going to decide who they are going to help?

  135. One publication already stated that Kris would be selling more than he is if he had the promotion that Adam is getting. I think most people know that the hype doesn’t match reality.

    LLWD already outsold TFM and FYE and WWFM.

  136. LLWD already outsold TFM and FYE and WWFM.

    That is not the point. The point is 19E should not be trying to assist ONE contestant, who btw didn’t even win the show, over others.

  137. they dont control but they do influence. simon spent mucho time during the season, even in the EARLY rounds pimping Adam…

    Simon also spent a lot of time criticizing Adam. He HATED ROF. He thought Adam was too theatrical in the audition. Simon pimped Ruben, Fantasia, Carrie and Archie(and currently Crystal) way more than Adam.

    they swayed Adam to stay quiet after the burning man photos came out,

    Links please? Adam has repeatedly said the producers came to him and said they would support him in whatever he wanted to do. It was Adam’s call.

  138. I seriously doubt that they could have predicted that Carrie would do as well as she has,

    I honestly don’t think you can ever predict that kind of thing. You could guess Carrie or Daughtry would do reasonably well, but blow into the stratosphere? All kinds of luck and timing are involved. So it was always going out on a limb to say Adam would superstar. I think they saw a really talented, charismatic guy that generated a lot of excitement and thought it was a sure thing. And a profitable career was something of a sure thing IMO, but worldwide superstar is never guaranteed right out of the gate like that.

    Still, I think this is kinda of how the business works, you know? There is no real science to it, as much as they like to try to make it one. Adam was fortunate enough to leave Idol having persuaded a lot of powerful people to believe in him, so he gets some great perks out of the deal. Eventually he has to deliver, that is the downside to it all. There is no “fair” in the music industry. Especially not for Idol contestants. It kinda is what it is IMO.

  139. Mtlfan:
    04/13/2010 at 1:21 am
    Love Kris’s show tonight! Geez he was soo good and funny. I don’t bellieve one minute he drank anything. He’s just an happy guy and someone who LOVES performing and it shows

    Yeah, I know. He just seemed so happy and so chatty – more than usual. I’m sure he is not really drunk. But, I couldn’t believe that he even did the hip rolling thing.
    I have to see that again. And MITM w/ the audience singing the chorus.
    You know what ? Maybe he won some money in Las Vegas 2 days before .
    And Ford needs to air HIS ads more often since he gave a shout out to that.

  140. There is no “fair” in the music industry. Especially not for Idol contestants. It kinda is what it is IMO.

    Actually there is. 19E can not try to push the person THEY WANTED TO WIN, over others.

    If people say “oh well it’s not fair”…then why have people vote?

  141. LLWD already outsold TFM and FYE and WWFM.

    This is why I think that given Kris’ radio presence, marketability, and live performances that eventually some in the mainstream media will begin to ask why isn’t 19 supporting and promoting him on the same level that they are promoting Adam Lambert. I think if Adam’s next single doesn’t become a hit, and Kris’ does that things will get very interesting.

  142. Actually there is. 19E can not try to push the person THEY WANTED TO WIN, over others.

    If people say “oh well it’s not fair”…then have people vote?

    I understand where you are coming from, but that does not change reality. It doesn’t work that way. It never has really.

  143. Considering her first year out as a winner no less, 19 managed Jordin and she was selling pretty much exactly what Adam was selling, and she was often called a failure, how come they didn’t step in and give her a superspecial 2 day mentoring package? Or any major way to try and prop her up? Ilm still trying to figure out why Adam deserves that more than someone like her. I won’t even get started on the winners who have outsold him by a lot.

  144. But, I couldn’t believe that he even did the hip rolling thing.

    I loved seeing him do that, it was so awesome. It’s good to end the night on those images from the concert. Kris Allen knows what he’s doing, now 19 just needs to get their act together.

  145. But if 19 picks and chooses who they want to support regardless of voter outcome, then why bother voting?

    Because winning has never been about who is the most talented or the best singer. Simon has said on several occassions that it is a popularity contest. Why do you think we still have Katie and Timmy but Alex and Lilly are gone? It happens every year.
    Sometimes the viewers get it right, sometimes they don’t. What is popular on AI is not necessarily going to be what people outside the bubble are interested in.

    I seriously doubt that they could have predicted that Carrie would do as well as she has,

    On several occassions, Simon said Carrie would outsell all of the winners before her. He was right.

  146. Well Ken Warwick just let the cat out of the bag that many of us already knew.

    That is why after FYE single flopped, in a matter of days WWFM was released and in a couple weeks after that there was a music video. That was quite a QUICK TURN AROUND…even for a seasoned professional artist.

    I knew it was 19E pulling the strings because FYE was a big disaster so 19E had to save him by quickly releasing WWFM.

  147. “Then why not bring back Kris to mentor? He needs it more than Adam?”

    Who says so? May be they didn’t invest too much money to make Kris happen overnight? Sure that’s what I’ve always thought. God knows how much they’ve invested and are still struggling to make a star overnightwhich doesn’t happen that way. They sure must be frustrarted because even Beiber is selling more than Adam. And I don’t think Beiber’s management are spending that much. This are not the way they used to be in the industry anymore. I’m happy for Kris so far. Hey, his asales are not stellar but I don’t think they put so much money into his promo and are expecting too much, LOL!

    Poor Allison could have sold a bit more if Aattention had been paid to her too. It’s never good to put your eggs in one basket and honestly, I don’t think AMA saga has anything to do with it.

  148. This is why I think that given Kris’ radio presence, marketability, and live performances that eventually some in the mainstream media will begin to ask why isn’t 19 supporting and promoting him on the same level that they are promoting Adam Lambert. I think if Adam’s next single doesn’t become a hit, and Kris’ does that things will get very interesting.

    Actually, I’m not overly concerned about Kris at this point. I’ve learned to accept (to a certain extent) what seems in my eyes to be very unfair in how everything has been handled since last year. When I finish watching an amazing concert like I saw tonight on ustream, I can’t be anything but pumped for the guy I love.

    ETA: yeah, hip rolling is so much better than I described it earlier…swirling. lol, facepalm.

  149. Even though Kris was not my favorite….now I have the deepest respect for him for what he had to go through with 19E/AI going against him. He has put up with a lot IMO.

    ..and now Warwick has admitted it.

  150. Actually, I’m not overly concerned about Kris at this point. I’ve learned to accept (to a certain extent) what seems in my eyes to be very unfair in how everything has been handled since last year. When I finish watching an amazing concert like I saw tonight on ustream, I can’t be anything but pumped for the guy I love.

    Can’t add much to that except ITA.

    That concert was a blast.

  151. ut if 19 picks and chooses who they want to support regardless of voter outcome, then why bother voting?

    But who says that they are not supporting anyone else? Who knows what they have in store for Kris’ Idol return?
    And who has already performed, and who had the on going Ford commercial tied to AI? It’s not Adam.

  152. LOL, yeah, viewers dont own 19 but one would think that when we pick up the phone and decide on a winner, that winner gets treated like a, i dont know…A WINNER? But if 19 picks and chooses who they want to support regardless of voter outcome, then why bother voting?

    ^THIS.
    How much are you going to bet that no matter what, Crystal will be the most pimp one ? And I like her, but I already feel bad for the person that (big IF) going to beat her. Especially if the person is not laid back and have confidence in himself like the winner last year.

  153. I think Kris got treated reasonably well. He’s been promoted, he got press, his label really worked his single… his problem is that Adam stole some of his thunder. But they didn’t Taylor-ize him.

    So the downside is that Lambert gets more attention. And that can suck. But the upside is Kris doesn’t have the level of expectations that come with the hype. So he gets a little more breathing room. It’s a trade off. I think Kris is the kind of guy that likes to build thing slowly, fly under the radar a bit, so I suspect in the long run things will work out better for him this way.

    ETA: I wanted to add that I think it will work better for Kris because he’s an “all music” kinda guy. And no, that’s not a slam on Adam. But Kris is not a pop culture celebrity type, he is a musician type, he is way more like most of the guys in his genre that have low key personalities, so he needs to be marketed like that.

  154. And who has already performed, and who had the on going Ford commercial tied to AI? It’s not Adam.

    Ford is CONTRACTED to put the winner in the car commercials…after all he is the winner, not Adam.

    As I recall Kris did not perform ANY SONGS FROM HIS CD on the show, but did a song for charity.

  155. I have no problem with TPTB on Idol promoting whomever they like after the competition, regardless of the outcome of the TV reality gameshow. It is a business and they are in it to make money pure and simple, in any (legal) manner in which they see fit. I am grateful that Warwick even cares enough to hope this will propel Adam to the next level. AI owes nothing more to its audience than to produce an entertaining show that will keep them around long enough to sell commercials. After that it is really up to the label, artist and consumer. The media was/is interested in Adam for many reasons, including his talent, his looks, his lifestyle in a time when rules and attitudes about homosexuality are changing and the fact that he just makes a pretty good interview. But let’s face it, why do we need to be “sold” a product by TPTB or the media in the first place? If even a majority of people who voted for Kris and or Adam over the season actually purchased a CD, both of the guys would have gone platinum by now. The power ultimately rests with the consumer.

  156. I watched the live stream of Kris Allen’s concert and I must say, he and Cale are in great form!!! Their banters are so funny. :)

  157. As far as 19 being fair. Wah wah. Didn’t mom always say life isn’t fair? Well it’s not. Especially in business. It’s about money, not fairness. And 19E put alot of money into Adam up front based on their evaluation of his talent. Now they are going to do what it takes to make that decision pay dividends.

    But if 19 picks and chooses who they want to support regardless of voter outcome, then why bother voting?

    The people at home are voting for someone to receive the title of “Your Next American Idol” (cue music). The winner is the only one guaranteed a contract, Ford commercials, and the winner’s single. So that is your reason to vote. That’s it. There is no rule that the winner gets more promotion, etc.

    Lately I feel the need to follow all posts with the following disclaimer: I follow many previous contestants, love several of them (including more than one from last season), own many of their albums and singles, and yes one of them I happen to like is named Adam – if that makes my above comments null and void for you then please disregard.

    I think I will stay off my computer for a few days now – it will be better that way :)

  158. Let’s see if 19E/Idol has Kris on to sing his new second single from his cd…if they release one.

  159. That is why after FYE single flopped, in a matter of days WWFM was released and in a couple weeks after that there was a music video. That was quite a QUICK TURN AROUND…even for a seasoned professional artist.

    We don’t know what happened with FYE. If this is indeed what happened, I’m so thankful that Adam signed with RCA. They have been very supportive and have done a wonderful job promoting Adam and his album! I can’t wait to see what else they have planned for his second overseas promo tour and upcoming summer tour!

  160. I agree with whoever stated that Ken Warwick is attempting to reintroduce the “safe-Adam” from Idol to rope in those AI followers who might have left his camp after the AMA controversy. Seriously, I’m fine with Adam being a mentor, but a Vegas/Elvis week? Has Warwick listened to his album? To my untrained ears, Adam’s music is about as far from Elvis’ as you can get.

    I think WWFM will benefit greatly from Adam’s Idol Appearance, but I’m doubtful it’s going to send his album sales through the stratosphere. Good luck to him though, and I’m sure the next two nights will be wonderful entertainment.

  161. babybelle32:
    04/13/2010 at 1:44 am
    But, I couldn’t believe that he even did the hip rolling thing.

    I loved seeing him do that, it was so awesome. It’s good to end the night on those images from the concert. Kris Allen knows what he’s doing, now 19 just needs to get their act together.

    I am so disappointed I missed this. I hope there will be videos of the whole show.

  162. springboard:
    04/13/2010 at 1:52 am

    But who says that they are not supporting anyone else? Who knows what they have in store for Kris’ Idol return?
    And who has already performed, and who had the on going Ford commercial tied to AI? It’s not Adam.

    Kris performed, quickly, a charity single, not his own music. His CD wasn’t even mentioned, which I’m sure Kris was okay with…he seems to truly care more for others.

    WRT Ford commercials, do you not think that Ford chose Kris? Do you think they would let 19 push Kris on them? If that had been the case, I’m sure Kris would not be the one doing them. I don’t see the Ford commercials as anything that 19 did for Kris, but rather something Kris did for himself. IMHO, Ford made a very good choice. :)

  163. Cookcricket, Don’t facepalm cos I’m right there with you. I loved everything he did tonight. I fear for Katy tonight though, hahaha.

  164. Mostly lurk, but tonight gotta put in my opinions:

    I want ALL the idols to do well! I’m not going to say anything negative about these young people who are just trying so hard to make it in the music business.

    Idol viewers need to always keep in mind, THIS IS A BUSINESS where the Idol show makes as much money as they can off these young people AND Idol wants to get as much money from us as possible.

    Do they really care about our votes? Only to the extext it affects the show, their business plan.

  165. Even though Kris was not my favorite….now I have the deepest respect for him for what he had to go through with 19E/AI going against him. He has put up with a lot IMO.

    ..and now Warwick has admitted it.

    Well, now consider the feelings of his fans, which I’m one.
    It hurts to see all these things.

    Actually, I’m not overly concerned about Kris at this point. I’ve learned to accept (to a certain extent) what seems in my eyes to be very unfair in how everything has been handled since last year. When I finish watching an amazing concert like I saw tonight on ustream, I can’t be anything but pumped for the guy I love.

    Yep, that concert tonight was so great. And Kris is going to be busy this week. I can’t wait to see the audience reaction at Lady Antebellum concert. I hope he’ll get accepted great.

  166. Idol viewers need to always keep in mind, THIS IS A BUSINESS where the Idol show makes as much money as they can off these young people AND Idol wants to get as much money from us as possible.

    It is ALSO A CONTEST…a voting contest. Contest shows are regulated by the government and have to follow certain laws.

    Idol IS a contest show…not just a business.

  167. Ford made a very good choice.

    and Ford’s sales increase partial because of that. the money is talking!

  168. ITA saspurs21fan – you should unlurk more often. Unfortunately common sense doesn’t always prevail. And if you get moderated for that then mj would moderate Santa.

  169. Here’s an interview with Kris from tonight. And They show a clip of Kris with one of the commericals with AWM.http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/. They have clips down below you’ll see Kris in two clips both are from tonight.

  170. It is ALSO A CONTEST…a voting contest. Contest shows are regulated by the government and have to follow certain laws.

    Idol IS a contest show…not just a business.

    out of curiosity, what rules does AI have to follow?

  171. and yes my momma told me “life isnt’ fair” but she also taught me to do something about it, not just sit on my arse and accept it LOL

    anyhoo, we all knew 19 likes to manipulate the show to favor whoever they want to win, and eventually market. Ken’s words just confirms it. its no longer speculation. so I find it a bit amusing that ken’s admiting the pimping didnt quite work out as he planned.

    (umm, can we poll our cash and get MJ a bottle of wine? me thinks she might have a busy 24hrs w. the edit button)

  172. Ford is CONTRACTED to put the winner in the car commercials…after all he is the winner, not Adam.

    As I recall Kris did not perform ANY SONGS FROM HIS CD on the show, but did a song for charity.

    Whatever the reason, the fact is Kris has been featured on the show so far, and that’s good promtion, and if that’s because he was the winner, then Idol are doing what they are supposed to do aren’t they?
    And he WILL perform on the show when it’s the right time to introduce his single, and no one knows what promotion they have in store for him.

    And my guess is that we’ll see other Idol mentor in the future.

  173. It is ALSO A CONTEST…a voting contest. Contest shows are regulated by the government and have to follow certain laws.

    Idol IS a contest show…not just a business.

    As my grandma used to say “Oy vay”. And the “government regulated contest show” doesn’t have any rules about who gets promoted more after the show is over. Besides, our government has better things to worry about instead of who is mentoring Idol this week.

    disclaimer: I follow many previous contestants, love several of them (including more than one from last season), own many of their albums and singles, and yes one of them I happen to like is named Adam – if that makes my above comments null and void for you then please disregard.

  174. I don’t think a few minutes of Adam mentoring is going to change anything. To me (and apparently Ken) Adam already did his damage. It isn’t going to change. He had huge opportunities. Now he has a very supportive group of typical Idol fans – but he lost the chance to be a big pop star/radio which means younger and more diverse fanbase. Both Adam and Kris are doing fine – but not great for an Idol winner/runner-up. It’s actually quite shockingly bad compared to previous Idols. However, they seem to be happy.

    I do feel for Kris. He was even in Vegas and could have participated in mentoring. I personally feel Adam is the most talented Idol ever, but wasted his opportunities. It’s an old argument, but I agree with Ken that it is really tragic. But I don’t see how this week will change anything.

    I don’t see Ken’s pimping as failing. Adam did it himself. If Kris next single sells better than Adam’s again I think it will be very very interesting. Also, I feel Kris opening for other bigger acts will further his career more than Adam doing the solo thing (although I understand he has to make some money)

  175. 19 managed Jordin ..snip.. how come they didn’t step in and give her a superspecial 2 day mentoring package? …snip… I’m still trying to figure out why Adam deserves that more than someone like her. I won’t even get started on the winners who have outsold him by a lot.

    I don’t get why Adam has to deserve the attention; who determines who is the most deserving. anyway?
    And if memory serves me right, Kris Allen himself, said Adam deserved to win ;-) LOL (jk)
    Jordin isn’t as talented as Adam (IMO) and doesn’t have the “it” factor that Adam seems to possess. So it is easy (for me) to see why 19 didn’t bring her back to mentor.

    For reason(s) known only to them, 19 just really likes Adam and his sales (dare I say “star?”) potential. It isn’t Adam’s fault….

  176. Tomorrow we get another livestream of Kris singing it’s at 8 in the morning.Link in case anyone is interested. DONT forget @krisallen fans…Kris on LIVE from our Star Lounge kickin off at 8am Tuesday morn…@star941free & http://www.star941sandiego.com

  177. It is ALSO A CONTEST…a voting contest. Contest shows are regulated by the government and have to follow certain laws.

    Idol IS a contest show…not just a business.

    I am sure the parties involved have a contract that spells out in no uncertain terms what the winner receives for coming in first in the contest. If Kris has reason to believe TPTB did not honor his contract he can take them to court and/or make a big stink about it in the press. He has no legal say-so in whether or not TPTB choose to give his “rival” (although I don’t think Kris and Adam have ever thought of each other that way) the same or greater benefits unless they are specifically prohibited from so doing in the contract.

    Thanks for getting the links to Kris’ concert up so quickly!

  178. ALSO A CONTEST

    I agree, the contest part is regulated. The government regulation deals with the VOTES, how they are counted and reported.

    So here’s a can of worms I will not open:
    Why have the judges comment, if our votes are what count?

    Let me share what I do after the Idol contestants perform. I fast forward thru the judges comments and form my own opinions. It is so much fun to go back and listen to the judges comments. Judges? Reminds me of Olympic skating and how that judging has had to change to get quantitative rather than subjective.

  179. disclaimer: I follow many previous contestants, love several of them (including more than one from last season), own many of their albums and singles, and yes one of them I happen to like is named Adam – if that makes my above comments null and void for you then please disregard.

    I have to LOL at this disclaimer. You can basically exchange “Adam” with any other contestant and it would still hold true. :)

  180. tiger92:
    04/13/2010 at 1:45 am
    But if 19 picks and chooses who they want to support regardless of voter outcome, then why bother voting?

    Because winning has never been about who is the most talented or the best singer. Simon has said on several occassions that it is a popularity contest. Why do you think we still have Katie and Timmy but Alex and Lilly are gone? It happens every year.

    what does level of talent have to do with people wasting their time voting for a winner and that said winner not receiving the proper treatment from 19? the question of talent isnt the topic of discussion.

    nobody is surprised by it all, just nice to see ken admit on record they play favorites. its a victory for snakry, cynical fans everywhere. black hearts rejoice :)

  181. A person at Kris radio show performance talked to him afterwards. And Mentioned Lee and his performance of Hey Jude,her tweet, Talked to Kris about Lee & “Hey Jude” and he looked like a sad puppy, then said “But he did it with bagpipes!” w/ a scrunchy face

  182. UGH!! I need to go to go to bed NOW. I do not want to wake up to a fucking MESS in the morning.

    A couple of people here are HYPERVENTILATING and NEED TO CALM DOWN. I will close this thread if necessary and BAN the topic.

  183. what does level of talent have to do with people wasting their time voting for a winner and that said winner not receiving the proper treatment from 19?

    In what way is the winner not receiving proper treatment?

  184. Jeez, Slezak must be doing handsprings down 5th Ave right now. He tried to jiggle loose an admission from Warwicke that the current season is doing poorly and instead got a gratis ramble on the trouble last season’s big investment is in. I will bet cash money that statement will be heavily, heavily spun by morning, starting with, “It was all taken out of context” and ending with, “I was misquoted.” (Although hmm, now that I think of it, it could also be the first volley in a different fight entirely. In which case he may stand by it.)

    As a fan of neither Kris nor Adam, I have to say the reaction to Warwicke’s statement (and the news of Adam mentoring) is very curious. This has nothing to do with popularity or fairness. It is all about the bottom line.

    Tiger92: Then why not bring Kris back to mentor? He needs it more than Adam?

    This may be the fandom’s assessment, but obviously TPTB don’t feel that he needs it more, or they *would* have brought him back.

    Tiger92: Why didn’t they bring Jordin or Archie back to protect their investment? Even Cook? He won but didn’t have sales anything like Carrie or Daughtry. Didn’t they want to protect their investment with him?

    Obvious again, they don’t feel like they have a problem with their investment in Jordin, Archie or Cook. If this mechanism was always available — to bring back a former contestant for two days of “free” PR, they would have done it for the others if they thought they needed it. They apparently *don’t* think they need it the way Adam does. (Don’t jump down my throat — Warwicke is the one who says Adam is struggling. If one wants to put a more positive spin on it, Adam is currently promoting a record. Jordin, Cook and Archie aren’t.)

    FTR, I don’t think there’s anything about Adam mentoring that has anything to do with what’s fair or unfair — I never did. This isn’t Cricket, it’s the entertainment business. Which is always, *always* about the bottom line.

    Hey, I’m an Allison fan. Am I sad that the first big chance for her to succeed in the music business appears to have failed (so far)? Sure. And I’ll complain about the choice of singles (bitterly) but not about the apparent way TPTB invested in her. They let her put together a band, they’ve sent her out for promo, they took a flyer on at least one big name producer and it didn’t pay off. I’m sad for her and sad for me, but I’m not sad for TPTB. Because I am also certain that failure was a built-in part of the risk assessment they did on her, and therefore they were fully protected on their investment in her. Which is actually a good thing — maybe at some point they’ll take another chance on her.

    Warwicke’s statement sounds to me like there was a very different sort of risk assessment made with Adam. Clearly, there was also a hugely more expensive investment made in him too. So far, it hasn’t paid off either, proportionately. That’s not to say it won’t in future, but they are clearly having to work much harder than they expected to in order to make it so.

  185. Tomorrow we get another livestream of Kris singing it’s at 8 in the morning.Link in case anyone is interested. DONT forget @krisallen fans…Kris on LIVE from our Star Lounge kickin off at 8am Tuesday morn…@star941free & http://www.star941sandiego.com

    Why, why do I have to go to work tomorrow ?
    O yeah, to get money so I can hopefully go to another Kris concert.

  186. just nice to see ken admit on record they play favorites.

    Haven’t we known this for years? (Even as far back as Tamyra, Ruben and Fantasia) Usually the contestants I like aren’t the favorites, but the show has ALWAYS had them. I guess it worked out for me this time. Oh well, I will enjoy watching Adam again back on AI!

  187. The “rock star” shit has been beaten to death over and over again. We don’t need to go there again.

    Will be putting folks in moderation in 3…2…1…

    Stay on topic.

  188. Warwicke’s statement sounds to me like there was a very different sort of risk assessment made with Adam.

    is there a way to hedge that? is there a market where ppl can short Adam? i see lots interest but lack a market for it. what’s a waste.

  189. When I saw that Slezak pop Idol, I KNEW we would be back to dredging up old arguments. I hate to think what they think of Kris or Allison if they see Adam as no doing well or as well as he should be. I think we all know Adam blew a big opportunity with the AMAs but he has moved passed that and I think is doing well. His current single is doing well ( and for all the talk of Kris outselling him, remember, Kris’s single was out first so he should be ahead) and the album is not doing badly at all. He get’s great reviews and acclaim whereever he goes. I am not too thrilled that Slezak published this. It just stirs up negativity. Adam has the right attitude. He is grateful. The likely hood of him getting signed before Idol was almost nil. So he is really doing fantastic from that perspective. I think In 6 more months Adam will be laughing all the way to the bank. He so has it in him to the distance.

  190. A person at Kris radio show performance talked to him afterwards. And Mentioned Lee and his performance of Hey Jude,her tweet, Talked to Kris about Lee & “Hey Jude” and he looked like a sad puppy, then said “But he did it with bagpipes!” w/ a scrunchy face

    OK, what is Kris with a sad puppy thing ? (and I’m imagining it right now, Kris’ big brown eyes, with his lips pursed downward).

    I don’t really know what Kris meant though . Is it in comparison to his Hey Jude ? Did Kris think that Lee could have done better ?
    I’m biased and no way Lee could have done better than Kris; and I really like Lee.

  191. In what way is the winner not receiving proper treatment?

    example: ken admiting they are bringing back adam in a mentor role (ie big exposure on both Tue’s AND Wed’s shows) to help him with his album sales, yet not having done the same for Cook, Jordin, Hicks or Kris. Fk, Ken cant even remember Kris’ name LOL do you think thats a sign he is equally invested in Allen’s career? propert treatment to me says 19 is FULLY committed to the winner, not doing things half assed. Poor Hicks is a shining example that if the producers, 19, simon dont like you, you have a tough time reaping the Idol benefits. Its like, yeah people made you the winner but I dont like you so go F off. :) I shudder to think what will happen to the winner if its not my girl Cyrstal.LOL

  192. ken admiting they are bringing back adam in a mentor role (ie big exposure on both Tue’s AND Wed’s shows) to help him with his album sales, yet not having done the same for Cook, Jordin, Hicks or Kris.

    They haven’t done it in the past, but who says that they won’t do it in the future?

    And who says that Warwick isn’t trying to deflect the attention from his own failings, the show doing very badly this year, rather than admit that they relish the controversy about Adam’s return because the show needs all the buzz that it can get?

    If he wanted to help Adam so much, why would he be backstabbing him in an interview?

  193. Tiger92: Then why not bring Kris back to mentor? He needs it more than Adam?

    This may be the fandom’s assessment, but obviously TPTB don’t feel that he needs it more, or they *would* have brought him back.

    I guess because Kris is not their favorite?? That is the implication-that Ken plays favorites so he wants to bring Adam back to help him out. Kris needs it more, but maybe Ken doesn’t care. IDK.

    Of course, this is just the opinion of the Idol producer – he has no connection to RCA. And from what we’ve seen they’re very happy and have shown confidence in Adam’s talent and future. They are on the ball with his next single and mv and are moving full steam ahead with a second round of overseas promo and a summer tour.

    propert treatment to me says 19 is FULLY committed to the winner, not doing things half assed.

    Why does the AI tv show have to be fully commited to the winner? Isn’t that the job of the record label? Kris received the winner’s package just like Cook and Jordin. Anything past that is Jive’s job, not the job of the show.

  194. Molly – loved your rational post. It sounds very plausible that it is a risk assessment. There was a lot put into Adam and a lot of money spent. It’s business probably. The others don’t need it. Kris is establishing himself very well with his charity and opening for huge acts. Cook and Archie were able to sell platinum. It’s probably not about favoritism (they should be mad at Adam if they think he screwed it up) but strictly business.

    Kris had a great concert tonight. He’s got a very busy week too. I like how many diverse audiences he gets to play in front of, and how many different types of artists he’s playing with. I think he’s doing great, and 19 isn’t worried one bit.

  195. Hah! It wasn’t Adam that lost the show millions of viewers this year. Adam wasn’t on the show this year. Not until tonight, that is. If he stops the freefall American Idol is in, and puts the brakes on the viewer losses, he will be a hero. If the ratings go up, he will be a superhero!

  196. wand3rful, to be invited back to idol as mentor is not included in the winner’s package. From what I heard, winning idol only gets you a record contract, some $$ award, Ford ad. etc, which, I’m sure all the winners got these perks.

  197. Not understanding these comments where Kris isn’t receiving proper treatment, I don’t follow Kris so I don’t know everything he does, but every time I turn around he is doing a concert or a radio thing or a benefit. That boy is busy. He had no problem getting radio ADD’s for his song, it went top 10 on POP and is still climbing on other charts. What else do you guys want?
    Adam gets a whole lot of press but for every good thing that comes there is bad. He is a novelty right now, an openly gay kid who came off the number one watched TV show. Everything he has been given in the way of press is tainted with the gay. Find me one interview or article where they don’t mention it. I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy some of the things I’ve read about Adam. I would guess you would have to look pretty hard to find comments about Kris like “I want to slit that fag*ots throat” There are hundreds like that about Adam.
    Did anyone stop to consider that Adam might have been pimped a little because nobody knew if America was ready yet to accept an openly gay performer. I’ve said this before, you can’t take that away, its part of the equation. He is extraordinarily talented and the industry sees this, but a whole bunch of America is not ready.
    Kris looks pretty happy to me, making his music and living his life. Where’s the problem?

  198. i think tptb not inviting Kris or other idols back as mentor is because the benefit from them is less than the cost of this gig. it could be 19E wants to cover the bottom line for Adam, but if they can coup more from the other idols, they won’t play Adam. You can call it ‘star potential’ or marginal benefit.

  199. If he wanted to help Adam so much, why would he be backstabbing him in an interview?

    im not sure admiting adam is struggling to meet their sales expectations is “backstabbing”. plus, he will probably retract the comment and claim he was misquoted. poor ken, the big elite media putting words in his mounth :)

    Why does the AI tv show have to be fully commited to the winner? Isn’t that the job of the record label?

    19 manages the winner, AI is produced by 19. If my math adds up, there IS a relation.

  200. The others don’t need it. Kris is establishing himself very well with his charity and opening for huge acts. Cook and Archie were able to sell platinum. and 19 isn’t worried one bit.

    All of these people you mentioned need it. They are not selling like Carrie, Kelly and Daughtry. Archie did not go platinum and Kris sure didn’t. What does doing charity work have to do with recouping recording costs? If Kris can’t sell a ton more of his album, it won’t matter if he opens for Lady Gaga. (Wouldn’t that be interesting? LOL ) If 19 isn’t worried one bit about Kris, then they aren’t worried about Adam.

    im not sure admiting adam is struggling to meet their sales expectations is

    Ken did not say Adam was struggling to meet their sales expectations. He said:

    …to do what he did at the AMAs , but he’s still struggling to live it down

  201. Did anyone stop to consider that Adam might have been pimped a little because nobody knew if America was ready yet to accept an openly gay performer.

    My recollection of AI Season 8 is that TPTB furiously pimped Danny Gokey; he was the one they wanted to win. Meanwhile, they mostly ignored talents like Kris and Allison until the final weeks. Both performed very well leading up to the end, but they received mostly subdued comments and faint praise from the judges. Simon never really criticized Allison’s singing; he just said she had no personality. It was like, we don’t want to say anything very good about either one of them, because viewers might vote for them instead of Danny, and ruin our scripted outcome.

    Fortunately, AI voters outsmarted TPTB, and voted for Kris. And Adam.

  202. Levine:
    04/13/2010 at 2:48 am
    wand3rful, to be invited back to idol as mentor is not included in the winner’s package

    LOL, yes, we all know. i was just just saying that giving a runner up such treatment/exposure on two episodes when said treament has never been given to a winner shows favortism. and thats fine! its 19’s money, they would be stupid not try whatever they can. im only aknowledging the obvious and having a good chuckle at the wrath coming towards Ken.

  203. If Tim would win in this season, it would be a great television, but would 19E be rooting for him the most? Hell no.

    i think Tim has a legit shot as the biggest break out of the show ever has.

    seriously, there needs to be a market where we can long or short idols.

  204. im not sure admiting adam is struggling to meet their sales expectations is “backstabbing”. plus, he will probably retract the comment and claim he was misquoted. poor ken, the big elite media putting words in his mounth :)

    He didn’t say that Adam is struggling to meet sales expectations, he said that Adam was struggling a bit, but not what.

    And I see it as backstabbing because publicly admitting a weakness, for anyone about anyone, is opening the door to bad press.
    So either he is not media savvy, and that’s sad considering his position, or he his trying to undermine 19, or he doesn’t mind undermining someone else to save himself from criticism.

  205. Ken did not say Adam was struggling to meet their sales expectations.

    then what exactly are those struggles Ken refered to? if not sales and radio play?

    (Cheesy tie in to his song).

    Adam: What do you want from me?

    Ken: Money and your soul :)

  206. LOL, yes, we all know. i was just just saying that giving a runner up such treatment/exposure on two episodes when said treament has never been given to a winner shows favortism. and thats fine! its 19’s money, they would be stupid not try whatever they can. im only aknowledging the obvious and having a good chuckle at the wrath coming towards Ken.

    OK, so Adam will be shown on two episodes, will it be more than what the winners got? We’ll count how many times Kris (as the only winner with something to promote) has been featured at the end of the season, and decide who got the most exposure. Only then will we be able to say whether there was favoritism or not.

  207. And I see it as backstabbing because publicly admitting a weakness, for anyone about anyone, is opening the door to bad press.
    So either he is media savvy, and that’s sad considering his position, or his trying to undermine 19, or he doesn’t mind undermining someone else to save himself from criticism.

    Ken is an idiot. really, are we surprised comments like this come out of his mouth? he hasnt done much good for idol and sure as hell hasnt been a good replacement for Nigel.

  208. then what exactly are those struggles Ken refered to? if not sales and radio play?

    Could be his image damaged by the AMAs.

  209. My recollection of AI Season 8 is that TPTB furiously pimped Danny Gokey;

    Yes, they did. If Adam had screamed out that god-awful sound during one of his songs, Simon would have skewered him. Instead Danny got an “A+ for effort”. They’ve ALWAYS had favorites. Adam had his share of criticism last year.

  210. OK, so Adam will be shown on two episodes. We’ll count how many times Kris has been featured at the end of the season, and decide who got the most exposure.

    oh lawrd, this is not an adam vs kris issue.

  211. I bet they have him retract that statement by morning. Or have someone else counter it. There is no way 19M let that stand. Totally breaks Adam’s image.

    I had been wondering for a while when someone in the media would make some comment about the emperor having no clothes — or at least not having clothes quite as glittery and fierce as everyone has been led to believe. Interesting that the first one to say anything is from within the 19 camp. If that was a major boo-boo, then yeah, they’ll try to have him retract it or call in some big guns to counter it. If it wasn’t a major boo-boo, then I’d say Ken is trying to boost the ratings for tomorrow’s show by drumming up a controversy/buzz re Adam.

    But I do agree with whoever upthread predicted that if they truly are pushing him as a super-successful international star, they will likely present him with plaques for, or mention, all the other countries where he’s hit gold or platinum. And nevermind that it’s never been done for an Idol before.

  212. Could be his image damaged by the AMAs.

    And why would Ken be concerned with Adam’s image? Lets be realistic here. What does image affect? Success, which is determined by radio plays and sales.

  213. oh lawrd, this is not an adam vs kris issue.

    The outcry is about Adam v winners as far as I know, and Kris is the only winner with anything to promote that we are certain of.
    Cook and Archie may have a single out before the end of the season, but it’s only a possibility. (and Archie isn’t a winner)

  214. then what exactly are those struggles Ken refered to? if not sales and radio play?

    I really don’t know how to answer this again. He is struggling TO LIVE DOWN the mistakes he made at the AMAs.
    This is what Ken said:

    to do what he did at the AMAs , but he’s still struggling to live it down

  215. I wouldn’t want the government to tell 19E how to run their business and who they “should” promote. While I agree the contest should be fair, the contest is over for Adam and has been since last May.

    I also feel bad for Adam that he went OTL at the AMA’s. I love him dearly, but I have to admit the line was stepped over. (I’d say more but don’t want to rehash that again.)

    The masses, or a goodly portion of them, were alienated for sure. I think that had he known what the fallout would be, he probably would have tried to rein it in. But I also think that what a lot of people call “pimping” could just as easily be called “unbearable pressure to succeed” and it got to him that night. He has said he felt like he was having an out of body experience during the performance. When I have totally f***ed up in public, I have felt that way as well. It is not a state in which you do your clearest thinking or make the best decisions.

    That said, I totally love the guy. Adam not only got me posting on mj’s occasionally, but I discovered mj’s in the first place because of him. I listen to more popular music and radio now because of the interest in it he has awakened in me. I know I’m far from the only person he’s done this for. I suspect that 19E recognizes this phenomenon, and it is at least part of why they also have faith in him as a long term artist. And this is America – if Tiger Woods can seek redemption for his sins, Adam should be able to redeem himself as well (not that Adam “sinned”, it’s just an analogy).

    I’m not a gusher, flailer, or fan warrior. I’m originally from outside the Idol bubble, and Adam brought me in. I don’t wear fingerless gloves (i hate them – too cheap looking for me – sorry) or glitter, but I do love Adam and I’m very grateful TPTB are still supportive of him and didn’t desert him when he misstepped. That shows a level of support and loyalty I wouldn’t ordinarily expect from a big business like 19E.

  216. I really don’t know how to answer this again. He is struggling TO LIVE DOWN the mistakes he made at the AMAs.

    you dont have to answer :) it doesnt take much to grasp what Ken meant with his comment.

    put it in the showbiz translator:

    “struggling to live down an incident” USUALLY means a scandal had a negative affect on a celebrity’s career, thus impacting their earnings potential.

    take tom cruise for example, he struggled to live down the Oprah interview and Matt Lauer incident…ie his movies didnt make as muchh money initially following those scandals.

    there is nothing Ken said about adam that hasnt been said about other underperforming celebrities. (“underperforming” based on whatever 19/Ken/Sony had originally in mind).

  217. This is funny!
    FYE the song has jumped from #678 to #434 following DWTS

    Yay for the remix EP!
    Adam’s Remix EP has gone from #178 (debut) to #128 on iTunes in just a couple of hours!

  218. tiger92, but this was also part of what Warwick said:

    Because the guy is an incredible talent, and he had an incredible following. And it kind of upsets me that at the moment he’s not doing quite as well…

    What would he be doing not quite as well at? Gaining more of a following? Holding on to that following? And quite as well as what? TPTB’s expectations? Industry expectations?

    But whatever your interpretation, I think that a huge portion of the public that reads those statements will take Warwick’s statements as saying something to the effect that Adam’s rollout as a debut artist is not going as well as the AI chiefs had hoped and that AI is hoping that they can help Adam out on that front by putting him on the show. No matter what, Warwick’s statements seems a very uncharacteristic admission by an AI insider that the AI starmaking machine hadn’t done its job despite having a contestant who by their own estimation had the makings of a major star.

  219. flynnsgirl… thank you for your calm, rational, thoughtful, logical, and even-handed post. It perfectly summed up many of my thoughts about this.

    Ken Warwick produces the show; he does not manage the careers of the idols after they leave the show. He does not decide what kind of promotion they get; that is up to the record labels. Ken Warwick decides what is good for the show. He basically said that he hopes that having Adam on helps the show, just as it might help Adam. What’s so crazy about that? That’s why they bring back any of the previous idols. It’s not about being “fair;” it’s a TV show. The competition is over.

    Good grief, how many times are we going to go around and around about the different ways that Kris and Adam are being managed? They are being managed differently because they are very different kinds of artists and they have different record labels who have different methods and priorities. Kris has gotten everything promised to the winner in the AI contract. He seems happy, and LLWD has done great.

    I’m not crazy about Warwick publicly stating his “concern” about Adam. But as others have reiterated, Warwick did not say that Adam is struggling to live up to sales expectations, he said that Adam has struggled to live down the AMA brouhaha. Which, in the US, is true to some extent, especially in the first couple of months. Adam said as much himself in some interviews. No big mystery there.

    I like Adam. I like Kris. I also like Cook, Jordin, Archie, Fantasia, JenniferH, MelindaD, etc. I wish them all well, and I hope that they all succeed. I’m glad that Adam will be on this week’s show; I’m really looking forward to seeing him. I’m glad that Kris has been on the show and will be back again. I’m sure that other idols will be back again too, and perhaps even another one will mentor. And I’ll enjoy that as well.

    edit: please don’t question the motives of your fellow posters

  220. I’m a Kris fan as anyone from earlier in the thread could see from my squeeing over the fantastic (let me squee again) livestream of his hysterical banter and gorgeous vocals, which I hope many will use the links to check out.
    I’m also a big Adam fan and love watching him perform and give interviews and he has introduced me to lots of new music, although I listen to Kris’ music more when it’s just me and my iPod. These companies, 19, Jive, RCA, and in this case the Idol show itself, are businesses and are going to make business decisions. I never had any expectation but that they would market these two guys differently. That’s life – I would imagine they expected it too. Hey, I get to hear their music, that’s what matters.

  221. I’m not crazy about Warwick publicly stating his “concern” about Adam. But as others have reiterated, Warwick did not say that Adam is struggling to live up to sales expectations, he said that Adam has struggled to live down the AMA brouhaha. Which, in the US, is true to some extent, especially in the first couple of months. Adam said as much himself in some interviews. No big mystery there.

    Exactly!

  222. melicert… I loved your post. Thank you. I couldn’t agree more.

    Adam admitted that his adrenaline got the best of him at the AMAs and he did not expect the reaction that he got. He said he did not mean to offend anyone. And it is obvious that Adam’s homosexuality and androgyny have been and will continue to be a barrier for many folks. Like melicert above, I am very grateful that 19 and RCA (and now AI) have continued to believe in Adam and support him. He does not have an easy row to hoe.

  223. I had been wondering for a while when someone in the media would make some comment about the emperor having no clothes

    I think these were the exact words that two reporters used when talking about their reaction to TFM. I don’t think that song meant a lot to the average person, but for a lot of people in the industry and the media it was like a veil had been lifted from their eyes. RCA and 19 had been promoting a certain image for months, and then they attach Adam to a song that was the total opposite of that image. As someone said, they were calling him the future of music, but it turned out that that future was 1983. I’ve always found the TFM situation very funny, 19 thought that it would make Adam look like a big star, and that stations would play the song just because Adam’s name was attached to it, but anyone with just a little common sense would have known that the song doesn’t fit any current format And that people weren’t going to listen to Adam saying that the song didn’t fit who he is or his style, if 19 and Adam didn’t want the song to be associated with Adam they shouldn’t have agreed to let Adam sing it.

    And the thing with the AMA had more to do with Adam believing the hype than anything else.

  224. Oh smeggs… I’m so glad to see your post. Leave it to you to bring lightness and mirth into the discussion! I LOVED that HeatWorld magazine interview. What a crack up! Adam is just a delight and he makes me smile and laugh. That is all. :-)

  225. they will likely present him with plaques for, or mention, all the other countries where he’s hit gold or platinum. And nevermind that it’s never been done for an Idol before.

    Um actually they did with with Chris D. last year they had Kris bring him the plaque where you could see all the flags of the counrtries where he had gone platinum (I think it was Platinum).

    And count me as one of those that are from outside the AI bubble. The AMA’s is what brought Adam to my attention. He just drew me in causing me to find MJ’s read all of you guys comments from thw whole season last year. It was very entertaining to read what you guys said at the begining of the season and see where you stood at the end and after. Because of Adam I will be watching AI on TV for the very first time and I am soooooo excited. (haha never thought I would say that) I too am glad that 19/RCA are so very much behind Adam I want him to be able to continue makeing the music he loves for many many years to come..purely for selfish reasons cuz I WANT MORE :) lol

  226. Loved the HeatWorld interview. Absolutely tongue in cheek fun! He definitely seems more relaxed when outside of the US. Haven’t read through this entire thread but agree that it is a bit surprising that Ken Warwick was so open regarding his thoughts on Adam post AMAs. I would have expected a more positive spin but I think he just said what he believed to be true. For those of us who love Adam and are immersed in his every success it is difficult to believe that there are thousands of folks who stopped following him after the AMAs. Of course there are thousands who probably started following him after the AMAs as well.

    In the long run the AMAs were probably a good thing since they got people to start talking and thinking about bigotry and double standards. We can’t go back in time and see how Adam’s career trajectory would have differed if the AMA performance hadn’t happened. Adam is Adam and in the long run folks who loved him on idol but were turned off by the AMAs may eventually come back if they allow themselves to be open to all sides of this phenominal singer and human being. I have to agree with KW that the more exposure Adam is given the better his chances of getting the opportunities he wants as he moves forward in his career.

  227. My take on Ken’s statements was that he was speaking as someone who really likes Adam as a person and is upset of the backlash Adam has endured since the AMAs. But I also believe if Adam didn’t garner the media attention that he does, Adam would NOT be back mentoring on AI. Adam, good or bad, generates buzz and AI needs buzz. So Ken is hoping Adam’s performance is mutually beneficial to them both.

    I really don’t mind Ken’s comment. The AMAs were something of a watershed moment, IMHO, for some Americans. It started a dialogue about the double standards that exist in regards to men, women, gay, straight sexuality on network tv. I’m not talking about the ABC banning, but how viewers reacted to that performance.

    I think Adam is an honest person and he’s talked about how the AMAs really didn’t go well. I think Ken’s comments are just a continuation of that conversation. Adam is still navigating his way through his first six months of being a recording artist. He is learning some things the hard way. I think, though, at the end of the day, it’s better for him to be true to himself, even if that means he doesn’t become a major star. He’s just too talented not to have at least a solid career. But having said that, I do think there is a potential for him to be big internationally. I keep my fingers crossed that his album will be a bit hit in the US, but as long as he sells well enough to keep making albums, then fans should be happy.

    I’m not really sure about the whole “emperor is wearing no clothes” statement. What is the great secret? That AI, 19 and RCA see Adam as a major talent? I think they’ve been on the record stating that already. I also think TBTB know, because of the AMAs and because of some bigotry, Adam has an uphill climb for acceptance. I think, because of their belief in his talent, they will do what they can to help him gain acceptance.

    ETA-ITA adamized. I see we were both typing practically the same comment at the same time.

  228. babybelle32:
    04/13/2010 at 4:30 am

    I had been wondering for a while when someone in the media would make some comment about the emperor having no clothes

    I think these were the exact words that two reporters used when talking about their reaction to TFM. I don’t think that song meant a lot to the average person, but for a lot of people in the industry and the media it was like a veil had been lifted from their eyes. RCA and 19 had been promoting a certain image for months, and then they attach Adam to a song that was the total opposite of that image. As someone said, they were calling him the future of music, but it turned out that that future was 1983. I’ve always found the TFM situation very funny, 19 thought that it would make Adam look like a big star, and that stations would play the song just because Adam’s name was attached to it, but anyone with just a little common sense would have known that the song doesn’t fit any current format And that people weren’t going to listen to Adam saying that the song didn’t fit who he is or his style, if 19 and Adam didn’t want the song to be associated with Adam they shouldn’t have agreed to let Adam sing it.

    And the thing with the AMA had more to do with Adam believing the hype than anything else.

    Oh for crying out loud Sony never released TFM to radio stations nor was it ever a single. The movie studio wanted Adam to sing the song because he could hit the notes. The freaking song is on his album so he is not hiding the fact that he recorded it. Exactly when does a song recorded for a movie soundtrack ever fit a singer’s image?

    Adam himself said at the finale and thereafter what type of music was going to be on his album and that is exactly what is on his album, pop, electronic and dance with a dose of Glam. 19 knew this and was always behind Adam. Never once did Adam say he was going to record anything but that and most definitely he did say that Glam was the image he was going for.

    It is here in the US that a stigma has been attached to the AMAs. And I know a lot of people who noticed Adam for the first time on the AMAs and because of his performance became fans.

    This article with Ken Warrick is much to do about nothing. Ken has nothing to do with 19M, 19R, or RCA’s decisions how any Idols career is rolled out or if it is going well or not. He is career is in T.V. not the music business. He should be worried about his stupid T.V. show and what a snooze fest it is this year. He is an idiot and needs to STFU or state his support for all past Idols whose careers are not stellar (and there are a lot of them) and then STFU.

  229. melicert, cwm, undercooked – great posts :) I could not agree more :)
    all the pimping in the world will not help Adam in case of people who are homophobes and hypocrites (am not talking about people who just don’t like his style or his singing – that’s perfectly understandable). But the amount of hatred out there is really scary, I don’t even go to other places to read comments, prefer to stay here; because it’s downright depressing sometimes to be exposed to such negative feelings….
    on a positive note, cannot wait for tomorrow, when MJ posts the vids :D

  230. well I’m late to this party too but I will say….I do agree with some of what Ken says. I do think Adam struggled after the AMAs, at least with radio (hence Cumulus late add). I do think he will be fine in the long run, and I think the tide is changing. Since I am not an Idol watcher, just an Adam one, I really don’t care how much, how hard, how often they want to “pimp” him. It works for me.

    I do find it ridiculous the notion that they would have him on to help him out. I still feel like it’s more the other way around. Other Idol artists are struggling more than Adam. The logic just doesn’t make a ton of sense. It’s more about buzz for the show, IMO, but the producer of the show would never admit that.

  231. Thank you to the person that posted the Kris songs from last night!!! I just downloaded them all and can’t wait to hear them at work today. Kris seems like the kind of performer that feeds off the energy of the audience. I really hope that there are videos from the entire show including all of the banter.

  232. People are going to read into the Warwick statement and take out of it what they want- just like an interpretation of the law or the bible.

    To me, Ken Warwick knows whats up ( the rest deleted by me)
    HAPPY ADAM TUESDAY!

  233. Well Ken definitely has a point about the AMA performance, but for the most part, he is covering his own ass….and in idol-land – IT’S WORKING (surprise surprise:)).
    So Adam will be mentoring 9 people (that’s 9*30 seconds) and then he’ll have a performance spot on wednesday (he’d have gotten one anyway at some point during the season).He’ll plug his album,tour and sing WWFM. He gets a sales boost for 1 or 2 weeks (like almost everyone appearing on the show)
    So: He actually is the LAST one from season 8 contestants signed be 19 to appear on the show (Allison and Kris end of february), Danny (march). He is the 6th contestant from season 8 to make appearance (after those 3 and Matt+Scott).
    Now Allison – her album got a 300% boost after that.
    Kris – his charity song got into top 10 + it prevented his album to fall off BB200 for another 4 weeks (he went from 4k to 7k that week i think and from 150’s to 70’s on the album chart).
    Danny – his single went almost into top 20 and he sold 65k albums in his first week (instead of 45k projected).
    Also David Cook and Archuleta already had their performance spots as well (plus Brooke White is getting one this week).
    So of course he’s doing this for album sales boost, but let’s not exaggerate (he is not on the show every week) and also Usher and Miley didn’t cause as much media buzz as Adam’s already did.
    Ken’s show is falling apart and he thinks he needs Adam just as much (if he’d think Cook would bring more buzz to the show, he won’t be as ‘concerned’ about Adam i assure you). He is the executive producer, he cares about the ratings first and foremost (although it’s very nice he’s bringing former contestants back every week even though some of them have not new single or album)and his show is getting some serious beating in press this year. He is the one responsible for doing smtg with it.
    If Ken would be so concerned about his career in the first place, he would not give him a mentoring spot (it’s pretty much useless), but would give him a performance spot each month instead – that would be much better for his album sales.
    Btw. Ken now that we know your ‘true’ motives, i fully expect a performance on the finale night too – or it would seem you did it for the buzz and controversy and rather selfish reasons, not for Adam…

  234. wow! today is like christmas, hanukkah, new years, and easter all rolled into one for both Adam’s fans and his detractors. Just read Slezak’s interview with Warwick. He admitted that they were bringing Adam on to, hopefully, help build some buzz for the show, and then said that hopefully they could return the favor to Adam since he was struggling a bit to recover from the AMAs. Surprised me a bit that he said that but everyone is entitled to his own opinion.

    Allison, Danny, Miley, Scott, Miley, Usher, rihanna, derulo, pdiddy etc. were ALL on the show to boost their record sales and increase exposure. Cook and Archie and Matt were on to keep themselves in the public eye until their new records are ready. Kris will be on to promote his new single and album later this season. Of course Adam is doing to show to promote himself and boost single and cd sales.

  235. Thank you Ilovekrisallen39!!!! I can’t wait to watch everything. I have watched a couple already and he was amazing last night.

  236. what does level of talent have to do with people wasting their time voting for a winner and that said winner not receiving the proper treatment from 19? the question of talent isnt the topic of discussion.

    I would be interested in hearing what part of the winner package didn’t Kris receive?

    Kris may have won the voting contest (if you call what AI promotes as voting when one person can vote thousands of times). When they went out on tour it certainly did not show that Kris was more popular. In fact, some can argue the exact opposite happened.

  237. Thanks Ken. Some people need more reasons to hate Adam and you just gave them more, in writing. Kind of the opposite of what you wanted, right?

    But I know you are also trying to help your show this year, so I dunno what to think really.

  238. After reading all this! And I have to say it was very tiring! Hate fanwar! I have the need to state my opinion. Regardless the Ken Warwick interview I do think he has a point. I do think that Adam is struggling a bit and will be for a while. Many reasons for that: because he is gay, different, doesn´t play safe and mainly because of the AMA´s and the opportunities that he lost because of that, like radio spins, tv appearances, etc. It´s like he lost the trust some people had in him and know he has to earn that back. But I do think that his talent at some point will overshadow all this BS.

    I have to say also that American Idol IS A BUSINESS. And even though they do care about those kids, their decisions are mainly based on what would give them more money. And right now if they bringing a former Idol back to mentor the one who´s the most visable one is Adam. No way to deny that. Wherever he goes, the midia rides along with him and thats what the show is in need right now! Attention, ratings! Plus he´s talented enough for the task in hand.

    And one last thing I follow both Kris and Adam. Love them both and have their cd´s. And the way I see it, I don´t think that it´s unfair the way the´re being treated. I just think it´s different and totally in tune with their personalities. Kris it´s the musician, the layback guy, the good samaritan. Therefore, he´s the one getting the concert gigs (no denying either that he has done way more shows that Adam), the benefit gigs, radio interviews, etc. And Adam is the flamboyant type with the international appeal, the natural fashion model one, so that´s why he´s in the magazines all the time. That´s why he´s doing the international tour. And it´s clear to me that the´re not being pupped around and their carreers are being handled the way they want.

    SO…HAPPY ADAM TUESDAY INDEED!

  239. Well the memory of idol fans tends to be very fickle, so i just posted little review of this season guest appearances:).
    Having said that, now it’s perfectly clear for me for the first time, that 19 really expected lady Gaga sales from Adam. Sucks for him. But let’s put more pressure on him anyway, he can take it. He can cope with it, he doesn’t freaks out (hello AMA performance!).

  240. I honestly don’t understand what the big deal is about mentoring (other than the fact that they haven’t had former idols do it before). It is at most 10-15 minutes of additional screen time. I doubt that it helps with sales. the performance the following night is the sales booster, and Adam was ALWAYS going to be performing on Idol this season. I know I have never purchased a cd or downloard based on an artists appearance as a mentor.

  241. Yeah Ken is B.S.-ing pretty much, but it’s wildly amusing. If Adam would make a b*tchy statement about it on twitter it would made my day, but that’s not gonna happen. unfortunately…

  242. koshka:
    04/13/2010 at 8:27 am

    Personally, this is one person’s opinion associated with 19 – not his management or his label.

    Adam’s primary record contract is with 19. His management is with 19. Ken Warwick is with 19. American Idol is with 19. I see a pattern here.

  243. No we can’t we thrive on the drama…and there’s not been any this season…until they announced Adam’s mentoring:)

  244. If you love Adam, you are going to interpret the Ken Warwick interview one way and if you hate him, you will another!…. So predictable for everyone to do this!

    There’s obviously been criticism that season 9 got off to a sleepy start. Do you think having Adam Lambert come in this week is going to shake things up and infuse the show with that added bit of drama that he generally manages to bring to the screen?
    I sincerely hope so.”

    Okay,see, I love Adam so my interpretation of this is the show is struggling a bit this year and we need a boost….so who better than Adam. According to Ken, people have been wanting him on so he is on! I love Kris but would he bring a lot of energy to the show…IMHO ….ummmm….no…Kris is so laid back and a tad boring for me that this would not produce the effect needed. Anyway, I am so looking forward to tonight. It will be different for all the idols competing…they have gotten out of town and doing something fun! And I get to hear Adam sing which I LOVE!

  245. The really interesting part of Ken’s interview was that he thought he could fix the swaybots by telling the director to make them sway MORE. When he found out that people hate them, then the fix is to raise the cameras…. What an idiot.

  246. Adam’s primary record contract is with 19. His management is with 19. Ken Warwick is with 19. American Idol is with 19. I see a pattern here.

    Ok so? I’ve never been associated with a company where all the employees are on the same page. So *shrug* I’m not going to continue the tit for tat conversation. Apparently some idol fans reading these blog comments with shrug (like myself), some will have a years worth of angst vindicated & some will get irritated. I don’t believe we are going to all agree.

  247. Michael Slezak is not an Adam fan. He is generally very respectful of him but voted for Kris 11 times in the finale and has said he doesn’t like Adam’s OTT sexual performances several times. He will stick up for Adam though if he feels he is getting screwed like he felt that Adam was hurt on the top 3 performance perphaps intentionally with the back up singer problem during the Crying performance. He is generally very fair to Adam, but not a fan. He preferred Kris and Allison. Adam needed to win AI to gain more credibility and sales, he is selling like a runner-up cause that is what he was inspite of being the most talented singer on the show during season 8.

  248. In other news, Crystal posted a shout out to Vote For the Worst on twitter last night, though she called them VTW. I’m really surprised that the comment is still there this morning.

    Chris Sligh was the last contestant to acknowledge VFTW while he was still on the show. (He said “Hi Dave” after his performance, while Ryan was giving out the phone number), and I think TPTB drubbed him for it. Well, he hinted that he was reprimanded, in a VFTW post he made some time later. I wonder if they’ll just let Crystal’s post slide. Surely they monitor those tweets.

  249. Or may be they are so desperate for buzz that they don’t mind the small controversy about Crystal post. Let’s face it, compared to season 7 and 8 (I haven’t watched any other), there is no controversy, nothing to report on for the press other than it’s a boring year. Season 7 had amongst other gates, Billie Jean’s cover of cover, dad Archuleta, Season 8 had Adam and Danny, what has season 9 got?
    Oh, Crystal sits alone for 15mns, Crystal gives a shout out to VFTW, and …a new Adam controversy..

  250. I only have a mild, passing interest in Crystal’s comment, and only because contestants haven’t had complete freedom of speech in the past, especially where VFTW is concerned. You could be right Springboard; maybe they welcome any kind of attention this year.

  251. I am a little confused about the Ken Warwick article. He says Adam is being brought in to spice up the show but at the same time says Adam is struggling? They have brought in stars like Usher, Kesha, Rhianna, Carrie and I guess they haven’t done what they expected for ratings so now they are putting the pressure and expectations on Adam again? Putting these kind of expectations on Adam are exactly what leads people to think he is “struggling”. I think Adam is doing fantastic considering the polarizing kind of artist that he is but I wouldn’t have him any other way. Now when ratings don’t go through the roof they will just add more fuel to the fire of these expectations. Seriously, Warwick wants to “help” Adam then he should stop putting the pressure of resurrecting Idol on this shoulders.

  252. Adam’s primary record contract is with 19.

    Isn’t Adam’s record contract with RCA/Sony? His management company is 19, yes?

  253. I think he’s struggling with image and perception after the AMAs in the US. The album cover, etc. Those were his choices and I’m not really opposed to them personally, but I can see how some might be. I also think if he had played it totally safe I might be disappointed in him too. It’s a fine line to walk, people wanting different things from him. I don’t think non-US cares as much about the AMAs or the outfits (see codpiece, lol). If they expected Gaga type sales, well they completely over estimated. As much love as there was for Adam on the show, there was hate and still is.

    You know what the real sucky thing about this article is? I really think Adam went into this mentoring thing seriously, I think he wants to try and give some encouragement and advice. And no matter how they edit it, it’s now tainted as TPTB helping him out.

    Some would probably never agree that Adam did a good job mentoring, (assuming he does) but the optimist in me hopes that some might. I posted that I thought Miley did a good job and was pretty certain she was gonna suck beforehand.

    But I’m probably not the kind of fan this question was directed to anyway, because I thought he’d go out Top 7, Top 5 at the latest and never thought his road was going to be easy, despite the media wanting it so. So for THIS fan, he’s doing just fine.

  254. ETA: Didn’t realize the context of her tweet when I posted this NVM

  255. Studio57:
    04/13/2010 at 9:21 am

    Crystal seriously stepped in it this time, but hell yeah for her taking the GATE OF THE DAY!

    Seriously, she was my favorite from day 1 this season. Gave me goosebumps, but giving a shout out to VFTW just ruins it for me. You are seriously gonna mock the show that might just give you a MILIION F’ING DOLLARS???? How stupid can she be? This season just keeps getting worse.

    My guess is that she disapproves of everything the show stands for..but she is in it.. interesting to see what happens to her. Will she get a contract with Sony and toe the party line, or will she try to get out of it..

  256. I am a little confused about the Ken Warwick article. He says Adam is being brought in to spice up the show but at the same time says Adam is struggling?

    Those are not contradictory statements to me. The contestants are too stiff, the show needs some spicing up, and Adam can help with that because he’s an interesting performer and can maybe help the Idols loosen up. At the same time, apparently the AMAs damaged his momentum a bit and perhaps an extended appearance at the place it all started can help some people remember why they liked Adam in the first place. Sounds like a potential win/win situation.

    Also, lets keep it real. Idol is still a huge TV show. It beats everything in sight on the nights it airs, and it kills everyone else in the demo advertisers want for the week. Just because it came in 2nd and 3rd one week instead of 1st and 2nd does not mean the show is struggling for ratings and desperately needs Adam. 9 years in it is still a top 3 show.

    I don’t think this is THAT big a deal. Ken can help Adam out a bit, and Adam can help out Ken. Everyone wins. What makes it seem like a big deal is the level of candor involved.

  257. well, I agree with fellow posters that something does not add up with Ken’s statement – either he is a charity case and wants to help “poor struggling” Adam or he wants to boost his ratings – you can’t have it both ways…..
    to me, he is just stirring things up, like this DJ in Vegas….

  258. I don’t think this is THAT big a deal. Ken can help Adam out a bit, and Adam can help out Ken. Everyone wins. What makes it seem like a big deal is the level of candor involved.

    I think you’ve nailed it. What Ken said are things we might guess are behind-the-scene reasons, but we seldom actually hear them voiced. Maybe Ken went ahead and spilled the beans because he knew Adam probably would in one interview or another.

  259. JMO but I don’t think Crystal doing anything but being disarming of VFTW by doing the shoutout. She’s saying that if they think calling her Pigpen is an insult she doesn’t consider it so.

    Ah, OK, I take back what I wrote. I should have looked at the source in the first place.

  260. Lol, I thought Crystal was poking VFTW a bit and letting them know she knows what they call her. I didn’t read that at all as she loves VFTW and is thumbing her nose at Idol. I’m sure the circus that is Idol drives her nuts but I am betting she appreciates the opportunity.

  261. Crystal seriously stepped in it this time, but hell yeah for her taking the GATE OF THE DAY!

    Seriously, she was my favorite from day 1 this season. Gave me goosebumps, but giving a shout out to VFTW just ruins it for me. You are seriously gonna mock the show that might just give you a MILIION F’ING DOLLARS???? How stupid can she be? This season just keeps getting worse.

    …Or she finds it amusing to see photochops of herself. Idol is a high pressure environment and she has to deal with the pressure of being a frontrunner – I’m not surprised that she might find the silliness about herself on VFTW amusing and a great way to stop from taking herself too seriously. Some contestants have remarked that they lose perspective on who they are and get swelled heads due to the Idol worship – I’m sure she appreciates there is a place that does the opposite and could help her stay grounded and help her remember that not everyone is going to like her.

    Anyway, just my opinion because I find the site amusing too.

  262. I’m surprised that Ken Warwick spoke publicly about Adam struggling. I wouldn’t have expected that. I think he must mean struggling in sales, and perhaps in concert or tv appearances, I don’t know. Normally they wouldn’t want to put that kind of information out for public consumption, so it’s odd. But for us the public, it’s illuminating as we don’t usually get to know such things and can only speculate.

    Basically it’s not something that fans probably want to hear, but to everyone else it’s possibly interesting. To me it seems that tptb expected too much of Adam, wanted him to be a huge star overnight right from the start, and have done everything in their power to make it happen, but it isn’t happening the way they thought it would. I think they were unrealistic. However he also hasn’t sold as well as previous Idols (has he?) and I can see how they’d be disappointed in that, with all his popularity and all the promotion, I thought he’d be platinum a long time ago. I think David Cook went platinum in about 3 months, and I honestly thought that Adam would do it even sooner, since he got so much buzz everywhere. And the AMAs must have hurt him more than we knew, for Warwick to bring it up now.

    As for boring seasons, my favorite seasons have been: 1, 2, 5, and 7. The rest were pretty boring for me, though I watched them. This season has been extra boring but I think it’s because of the judges format. Four judges is too many, and I miss Paula. She was unpredictable, she had sparkle and charisma. Kara just does not have that. Kara is too earnest and serious, and her comments are too marketing-oriented and not enough about music for its own sake.

    Four judges is too many, and Ellen does not really add that much. Two hours is too long, (thank goodness it’s 1.5 hours tonight), and Ryan’s asking questions of the contestants and judges is excruciatingly boring and painful to watch. The prolonged talk between judges and contestants is very dull. Little spontaneity like in previous years. I think that Kara was the wrong choice for the show, she is not fun enough, and four judges is too many.

    DWTS on the other hand, shows a lot of creativity each week in the skits they come up with for the judges and what they show of the contestants training and backstage. Whereas Idol is vouyeristic in following the contestants backstage. However I do like when Idol interviews the contestants after they sing. Those moments are spontaneous and the contestants are “real.”

    There are some good contestants this year, it’s the format that is killing the show the most. However too many of the contestants have been insecure and nervous this year. Confidence is a good thing. Casey has it, Mike has it. More of it would help. People trying to please the judges is not fun to watch.

    Season 8, there were many dull contestants and mediocre singers, including Lil, Anoop, Matt, and others whom I’ve already forgotten existed. Adam and Allison were the only two who were exciting each week, and Kris didn’t register on my radar until late in the show. I would not say that overall season 8 was more exciting than season 9, but Paula was more important to the chemistry of the show than we realized, I believe.

  263. Anyway, just my opinion because I find the site amusing too.

    VFTW has the funniest recaps ever. I think if I were a contestant I’d read those too.

  264. And r/e the Adam thing, I think it shows again the expectations that were there for Adam that I never found realistic. The odds of creating an instant international superstar were pretty low. I think Adam is doing fine and may still end up a huge star, time will tell. But you can’t force it to happen, just let the guy grow a career. I do think the AMA’s were a huge misstep and it may have made a big difference if that went better. And it makes sense that Idol is “re-presenting” Adam on the show.

  265. I don’t like Crystal – PERIOD. These tweets aren’t helping either. Something about her just rubs me wrong.

  266. Studio57, I don’t think she was doing either, though I won’t profess to know what is in her head. What I don’t think she was doing was dissing Idol. And I read the VFTW recaps too, along with Top Idol’s. They can be quite funny! I like snark :)

  267. Does someone want to explain the pigpen comment? Was she dissing VFTW or giving them a shout out?

    Pig Pen is the nickname VFTW gave her because they think she looks like a dirty hippie. One of their great choppers also made a really funny chop of it.

    I think she is like Amanda Overmeyer in that she came into the show with little understanding of the culture around it and is quite bemused by what she is finding. However, she is more computer savvy than Amanda.

    Crystal needs to stop reading what people say about her on the internet.

    I agree, I said the other day that she needs to realize that most people will never know about any of the Internet “Gates” so she shouldn’t take them too seriously. Also, if someone puts out misinformation about her, she doesn’t need to respond – her fans will defend her!

  268. Lol, koshka, different strokes for different folks :). Some peeps just don’t do it for you, doesn’t have to be a reason.

  269. tierbee:
    04/13/2010 at 10:02 am
    Lol, koshka, different strokes for different folks . Some peeps just don’t do it for you, doesn’t have to be a reason.

    totally agree. It just appeared that I needed to state my fandom before making a comment. LOL

  270. DWTS on the other hand, shows a lot of creativity each week in the skits they come up with for the judges and what they show of the contestants training and backstage. Whereas Idol is vouyeristic in following the contestants backstage.

    To be fair, though, Dancing with the Stars has a hugeg advantage in being able to show backstage footage that mostly involves adults who are already celebrities of one kind or another, and each has a separate trainer who is also an adult. These people are both a lot better at giving the camera something fun to look at, at playing around and mugging for the camera and doing things that are “fun” and also fairer game for showing the bad moments.

    If they show Pam or Evan or Buzz or Niecy having a tragic moment and freaking out while learning to dance, for the audience that just adds to their humanity and doesn’t affect their reputation in their actual careers at all. And the celebrities’ placement on the show — while it can help them in some cases if they place quite high — doesn’t really affect their actual careers at either.

    If they showed freakout moments during Idol rehearsals, however, it could easily adversely affect the audiences’ view of a contestant and totally spoil that person’s chances of even *getting* a career.

    Idol really is hamstrung when it comes to making the show more like any of the other reality shows — where people come on specifically to mug for the camera and show their personalities and where negative stuff doesn’t necessarily reflect on the way they do their jobs back in the real world.

    With Idol, by contrast, they’ve got people who are truly coming through the show to get music as a career, and, for fairness’ sake, they have to be much more circumspect about how they show those people. …. Thus, I don’t think there’s any way they can make it as “entertaining” as DWTS and such.

    And this year, when they have a lot of people who aren’t very comfortable in front of the camera even as musical performers, Idol does have a problem creating a show that’s really comfortable and fun for the audience, I think.

  271. Idol does have a problem creating a show that’s really comfortable

    I think that nails it. When the contestants are uncomfortable, it makes the viewer uncomfortable. I don’t think ANY of them are at ease in front of the camera and it shows.

  272. Ken Warwick is making “quotes” that will “protect” him from any criticism. If he can paint Adam’s appearance as an opportunity to “help” poor struggling Adam, he will with a big smile on his face.

    Ken has single handedly pounded American Idol into the ground. His executive decisions over the last few years have left the show floundering in the breeze. All his “innovations” have not led to a better show, in fact many of them have alienated many fans and viewers.

    So, in order to diffuse the Adam appearance from being one to “help” the show and its ratings he is trying to shift the focus. He knows that AI has jumped the shark and that this year is, by far, the worst year that AI has had. So, as executive producer, he isn’t going to admit that the show needs help and some “life blood” to get viewers to tune back in. Instead, he will sell anyone, Adam included, upriver to take the heat off of his back. The man knows what he is doing…and he could care less that Adam is his sacrificial lamb.

  273. Tess:
    04/13/2010 at 10:08 am
    Ken Warwick is making “quotes” that will “protect” him from any criticism. If he can paint Adam’s appearance as an opportunity to “help” poor struggling Adam, he will with a big smile on his face.

    Ken has single handedly pounded American Idol into the ground. His executive decisions over the last few years have left the show floundering in the breeze. All his “innovations” have not led to a better show, in fact many of them have alienated many fans and viewers.

    So, in order to diffuse the Adam appearance from being one to “help” the show and its ratings he is trying to shift the focus. He knows that AI has jumped the shark and that this year is, by far, the worst year that AI has had. So, as executive producer, he isn’t going to admit that the show needs help and some “life blood” to get viewers to tune back in. Instead, he will sell anyone, Adam included, upriver to take the heat off of his back. The man knows what he is doing…and he could care less that Adam is his sacrificial lamb.

    Struggling or not.. we can argue this into circles, but I *think* a good number of us would agree with this 100%.

    I haven’t really thought about how much pound is going on Ken from the networks AND from 19 over the ‘progress’ of this season (and probably last season). He may very well be the one who is struggling most.

  274. koshka, do you think it’s going to be the last season? I am not so sure, even now it’s still a top show….

  275. Tess- I am so on board with what you are saying. Warwick didn’t stand up for Adam when he needed him, after the AMA fallout, but he wants to “help” him now that he thinks Adam can help Idol? Where were his public statements about Adam’s “incredible talent” back then? Bravo on your post!

  276. Ken isn’t saying anything that those who aren’t invested fans haven’t already said before. It is obvious to us casual observers that Adam isn’t doing great for all the publicity he got. The only surprise is that Ken is saying this publicly.

    The problem has always a certain degree of self-indulgence on the part of Adam. I have said it before, and I will say it again, the album cover is a massive mistake, and it’s all down to Adam himself. The album cover has probably cost him a few hundred thousand units in sales. I’m not sure if he really understands why the cover is so off-putting when I heard him talking during the UK publicity tour that people in UK understood what he was trying to do with the cover (he probably didn’t realise that the album cover has been changed in UK), citing Boy George as an example. Well, here’s one person in UK who has a strong negative reaction to the cover, as will I suspect most people in the UK. Boy George’s look was very unusual, beguilingly ambiguous, and very very prettily done up, and I loved his looks. Adam’s cover however looks like a third-rate drag act that comes off as being cheap and tawdry. Completely different kettle of fish. They should have just quickly released a special edition with a different cover like they way they quickly changed the single when they realised it wasn’t working for the US market.

    Whether he thinks that was his intention or not, Adam always came off as aggressively gay, and he shouldn’t complain if the public pigeon-hole him as the “gay singer”, nor should he complain about double standard. A smart singer knows what boundary to push, when to do it, and when not to. He shouldn’t try to take the public to somewhere they don’t to go, if he wants to be a mainstream artist that is. Image is everything in the world of pop, those who are most successful as the ones who are most adept at moulding their public persona (e.g. Madonna), and they only try to push the boundary when they get to be famous enough for it not to matter if they make the odd mistake.

    That said, I do think Adam is smart enough to learn. It’s early days yet, and I do think he will be very successful in the future.

  277. With Idol, by contrast, they’ve got people who are truly coming through the show to get music as a career, and, for fairness’ sake, they have to be much more circumspect about how they show those people. …. Thus, I don’t think there’s any way they can make it as “entertaining” as DWTS and such.

    You make a good point, there is a difference because Idol contestants want to succeed as real artists, while the celebrity dancers don’t intend to become real dancers. But even so, Idol could show a lot more creativity in many ways, with both the judges and the contestants. Much of the banter of the judges and between judges and contestants and Ryan are excruciatingly painful, and also, Idol could do a lot more with the backstage stuff. Why not show the Idols rehearsing, picking their music, practicing, show who their musical muses are, show them performing prior to Idol, etc? There is much more they could do than to show them as sad human interest stories. Show them as upcoming musicians and singers, in ways that don’t compromise their dignity as artists. I don’t want them to mug for the camera.

    And this year, when they have a lot of people who aren’t very comfortable in front of the camera even as musical performers, Idol does have a problem creating a show that’s really comfortable and fun for the audience, I think.

    I totally agree with this. It was true last year also with most of the contestants. Only a few were exciting to watch (to me). I think the producers are going in the wrong direction, and making the show less watchable, and it’s their fault.

    p.s. brilliant post, hazelhel.

  278. agathe.hb:
    04/13/2010 at 10:15 am
    koshka, do you think it’s going to be the last season? I am not so sure, even now it’s still a top show….

    No not the last year. Maybe one more? It REALLY needs to be driven into the ground, that hasn’t happened yet. Producers usually wait until the show becomes a complete joke before canceling – with the exception of sitcoms because to the production costs.

  279. I can’t imagine this will be the last season. If it is still making $$, it’ll be back. When does x-factor arrive? Not for another year, right? I would think they would try at least one season with whoever replaces Simon.

  280. How many people of the Idol audience are on the blogs or will read the interview? I often wondered how many that watch have no idea of these kind of details. less than 1% ? too high, too low? with an audience of 20 million..

  281. The album cover has probably cost him a few hundred thousand units in sales.

    High five to the power of album covers!

  282. I haven’t really thought about how much pound is going on Ken from the networks AND from 19 over the ‘progress’ of this season (and probably last season). He may very well be the one who is struggling most.

    Considering how badly the season is going, it is likely that he is under heavy pressure, or even that his position is at risk.

  283. Again, this is STILL the number 1 and 2 show for all weeks so far but one. This show could bleed ratings like crazy and still be top 10. Idol is going nowhere. Idol has a massive lead against all competition, it has a long way to go before it is really in trouble.

    The thing is a cash cow. Even a “bad” year isn’t going to kill it dead so fast.

  284. Whether he thinks that was his intention or not, Adam always came off as aggressively gay, and he shouldn’t complain if the public pigeon-hole him as the “gay singer”, nor should he complain about double standard.

    Why not? I am glad you said this though because this really IS the problem- Adam shoved his GAYNESS don people’s throats. Some of us say ABOUT DAMN TIME and others say he should butch himself up for the public. This is the whole thing in a nutshell and always has been from day one.

  285. I don’t live in the States, so cannot voice an opinion as to whether Adam’s aggressive gayness has cost him a lot of viewers – perhaps yes – but on the other hand, this is who he is and in the long run, if he compromized, he would not be respected by either side – the pro-gay side would accuse him of selling out, and those who don’t approve of homosexuality would not accept him anyway…. Adam and his management know that very well, that’s why they are trying to sell him in Europe, where this is not such a big deal….

  286. Why not? I am glad you said this though because this really IS the problem- Adam shoved his GAYNESS don people’s throats. Some of us say ABOUT DAMN TIME and others say he should butch himself up for the public. This is the whole thing in a nutshell and always has been from day one.

    I don’t think that is “it in a nutshell” but it’s what many fans seem to dwell on. For some people that might be an issue, but for many that is not the issues they have with Adam. I think for instance the cd cover issue, hazelhel addressed brilliantly above. It looked tawdry, compared to Boy George’s. It’s a matter of taste level. There are several other issues related to Adam too, and no, you cannot boil it down to people just finding him too gay.

  287. Well geez if Adam is being brought on to fix the season or help the ratings I feel bad for him for having that kind of pressure on him. What if, lets just say what if the ratings done blow through the roof? Or if they do only to continue to fall after Adam comes on then what? Will they have him on every week? Seriously one person isn’t going to revive this season. And its not like HIS season was causing record breaking ratings. This is two days. Its not going to be some life changing experience for Adam either I bet.

    Whether or not everyone at 19 is on the same page as Ken iand believe Adam s struggling I think the point of noting Ken is affiliated with Adam’s management/19R is simply realizing he may very well be aware of how much the AMA mess hurt him. He might know first hand what opportunities were lost.

  288. I think that Adam is learning and still trying what will work and what won’t with particular audiences – I believe he is on the right track and we can expecte more and more from him – he is from a completely different background, where more is more and he knows it’s not to everybody’s taste – that’s why he never expected to win. But now, when he sees a potential to become huge, he is trying to do it while still being true to himself – which is very hard…. and I sincrely admire him for his behavior (including AMA, it was just too big a stress for poor bb)

  289. Reminder:

    Tell posters what to do or lecture? I delete your comment

    Question a poster’s motives? I delete your comment

    Make value judgments on poster’s opinion or complain about the thread? I delete your comment.

    I’m getting ready to put a few posters into moderation…

  290. Whether he thinks that was his intention or not, Adam always came off as aggressively gay, and he shouldn’t complain if the public pigeon-hole him as the “gay singer”, nor should he complain about double standard

    .

    Well considering Adam isn’t hiding his “gayness” then every little thing he does could be precived as him implying “hey look at me I’m gay” to people that can’t see around it (not saying that if the case for everyone). The only way Adam doesn’t show his “gayness” is if he went back into the closet. It is part of who he is. That is like saying that everytime someone steps outside with their wife they are coming off as aggressively hetero. He can’t change the fact that he is gay, he has embraced both his masculine and feminine sides.
    If Adam was going around and kissing every guy in interviews that have asked him to kiss them (and trust me as someone who has seen I think everything from his promo tour there was quite a bit of that). He has refused over and over again in various interviews to kiss guys just because it would get laughs/shock for the interview. If he had I think you could say that would be him being aggressivly gay. Using every opertunitly to be about the gay. Which is not the case he only talks about that if/when he is asked, same with Gaga, Madonna, the AMA’s. The only thing Adam himself ever brings up repeatedly in interviews is HIS MUSIC. So I guess you could say he is coming off as an aggressively open singer.

  291. I could care less about Adam’s sexuality but I hate that album cover, lol. Certainly his being openly gay is a problem for some people but I think it is oversimplifying by attributing him not being an international superstar right now to his sexuality alone.

  292. The album cover has probably cost him a few hundred thousand units in sales.

    Oh, now this is too funny! How in the world can this statement be made without facts….I have never bought an album because of the cover…in fact, I have no idea what is on the cover on many of them! (and maybe you are underestimating it…maybe he lost a million…lol!)

    Whether he thinks that was his intention or not, Adam always came off as aggressively gay, and he shouldn’t complain if the public pigeon-hole him as the “gay singer”, nor should he complain about double standard.

    …. THIS….. is soooooo sad…..I soooo do not agree with this. *sigh*

  293. I agree with you tierbee, I think it’s the “taste factor”, as Adam stated it himself – he sometimes comes off as over indulgent – the way he sings, dresses and behaves on stage – it’s controversial, but that’s what makes him interesting, but again, not to everybody… Gayness does play a role in it, but only the only role…

  294. Well geez if Adam is being brought on to fix the season or help the ratings I feel bad for him for having that kind of pressure on him

    Adam couldn’t increase the ratings last season–in fact there was more of a drop between 7 and 8 than 8 and 9–he’s not going to increase them this season either.

  295. Whether he thinks that was his intention or not, Adam always came off as aggressively gay, and he shouldn’t complain if the public pigeon-hole him as the “gay singer”, nor should he complain about double standard.

    …. THIS….. is soooooo sad…..I soooo do not agree with this. *sigh*

    It’s actually very true. I am not a fan of Adam because of the OTT pimping the last year, but I know so many people that dislike him because he is gay. I work at a middle school and the girls think he is “disgusting” (their words, not mine). It shouldn’t be that way, but it is. Being gay should not be a problem. I still can’t believe Fever won’t do well because Adam kept “he” in it. That is ridiculous.

  296. mj, so what’s the main problem with idol ratings? the judges? I know I hate 4 judges and I miss Paula…..

  297. Trina, I have actually felt a bit badly for Adam all along – the expectations have been nuts. The downside to all the hype and unprecedented promo is that you are expected to live up to it. I would not call myself an Adam fan, but I have always said that he *should* be a major star if he’s managed right. I’m not sure the grab for insta star is the way to go but time will tell I guess!

  298. I have an issue the line about ‘they want to see him as he was.’ That quote bugs me. It’s like a eulogy to the Idol days of yore. The show is over now and Adam is trying to gain more audience outside the idol bubble. Sure, we can criticize the route he’s taken and the decisions he’s made, but like all the contestants, he doesn’t live his post-Idol life like he’s still on the show. None of them should, it’s a ridiculous Stepford life in that show bubble.

    competitivebynature – I’m sorry to hear that, but I’m also not surprised. It’s hard as an Adam fan to read and something I’m never going to get used to. Thankfully I don’t have people in my life with that amount of hate about ones sexual orientation and it seems Adam hasn’t either. The world can be an ugly place.

    As for Fever, I don’t understand it either.

    and mj, I agree with you. No one is going to change ratings on this show, the expectation Adam will is ridiculous.

  299. I would think that no matter what you’d see a dip in ratings after a while just from Idol fatigue… It’s been on the air for a while. I am not quite sure what it would take to gain back up in ratings, though I will admit that it isn’t helping my interest with the awkward cast of characters this year. I sorta watch while I clean my house and if someone catches my attention I will sit and watch. I only watch the results show if there is a performer of interest. I have watched since S2. I think the “rush home, can’t miss it” seasons for me were 4, 5 and 7. Season 4 was all about Bo, 5 was a great cast in general, 7 was Cook but I love most of the top 10 from that year.

  300. Whether he thinks that was his intention or not, Adam always came off as aggressively gay

    what exactly does “aggressively gay” mean? Can someone be aggressively straight?

  301. sr4mjc, but I do think it is valid that there are plenty of folks who liked him on the show but were turned off by the AMAs. And perhaps seeing him on Idol will bring some of those people back. I agree that he shouldn’t go backwards but I think with a voice like that just hearing him sing well will be a good thing to draw back in folks he might have lost and maybe get some sales.

  302. It’s actually very true. I am not a fan of Adam because of the OTT pimping the last year, but I know so many people that dislike him because he is gay. I work at a middle school and the girls think he is “disgusting” (their words, not mine). It shouldn’t be that way, but it is. Being gay should not be a problem. I still can’t believe Fever won’t do well because Adam kept “he” in it. That is ridiculous.

    It is ridiculous, and I can only imagine the weight on his shoulders as he tries to carve a career for himself knowing damn well this is what he is up against. I love OTT people and personalities, so he’s been a favorite of mine from day one. Gay was never an issue with me, at all. It’s just another side of Adam that really appeals to me. He should feel proud though that at least conversations are happening now, and that’s a start.

    I don’t expect him to increase ratings tonight…I can’t see them dropping either though. I would guess he’ll be able keep things on par, which will probably make TPTB happy. Idol is using him tonight, and he’s using them too. Good for them both if it ends up working to both of their advantages.

  303. I am not a fan of Adam because of the OTT pimping the last year, but I know so many people that dislike him because he is gay. I work at a middle school and the girls think he is “disgusting” (their words, not mine). It shouldn’t be that way, but it is.

    Maybe it’s not just that he’s gay that they dislike, but his OTT style, you know, black hair, eyebrows, fingernails, his outfits, and maybe they didn’t like his antics at the AMAs. It’s not necessarily just being gay, but his overall style that might not appeal to everyone. I mean, NPH is gay, but not in the same way that Adam is gay, just for one example. Not that everyone has to be demure or low key, but not everyone likes the style that Adam presents. I don’t think it’s just about sexuality that puts some people off.

    I don’t get the “aggresively gay” comment though. His OTT style is one thing, his gayness is another thing, I don’t find them synomymous. You can have one without the other.

    He was aggressive in the AMA show though, maybe that’s what they meant?

    He does gyrate his pevis a lot, that turns some people off. (Like crotch-grabbing really turns people off, and it has nothing to do with being gay.)

    adam talks a lot about being gay, but he has been forced to at times by being asked about it. Not necessarily aggressive there.

  304. I have an issue the line about wanting ‘to see him as he was.’ That quote bugs me. It’s like a eulogy to the Idol days of yore. The show is over now and Adam is trying to gain more audience outside the idol bubble. Sure, we can criticize the route he’s taken and the decisions he’s made, but like all the contestants, he doesn’t live his post-Idol life like he’s still on the show. None of them should, it’s a ridiculous Stepford life in that show bubble.

    Eh. He wasn’t “Stepford Wife” when he was on the show IMO. But I do kind of get it. I liked Adam a lot on Idol. I liked that he gave off such a kinky sex vibe, I liked his voice and performance choices, and I really liked that this all came in the package of a gay man. He seemed pretty intelligent, and I figured he’d be interesting and have something to stay musically, plus his presence as a clearly sexual gay person could make an impact on the pop scene. Overall he came across as talented but also projected a kind of playful, fun vibe. A “lets see what happens when I try this!” kind of thing.

    But when he left Idol it was like more and more the negative started to be emphasized. He was always arguing with someone, there was always a “gate”. But still I didn’t think of this as entirely his fault. But the AMAs did break with that Idol image – he went from a more playful flirty sexuality to something more.. I don’t know.. aggressive? and not in a good way. And his attitude afterwards was sorta off-putting. Its not so much that he was Stepford Wife on the show, but now he doesn’t come off quite so much like he was inviting you in as much as he’s shutting you out. I can’t explain it. Then the AMAs have been followed by more “gates”. So while I still like Adam and want him to succeed, part of me wants that guy from Idol back – the guy that doesn’t seem to court negative publicity, the guy who just sings and performs well and doesn’t seem like he’s busy giving the middle finger to everyone all the time, even if you LIKE him. LOL.

    And now, I will prepare to get yelled at.

  305. tinawina, great post. That puts it in perspective imo. I was also excited to see what Adam would do after the show, and it hasn’t gone swimmingly, with all those gates.

  306. Maybe it’s not just that he’s gay that they dislike, but his OTT style, you know, black hair, eyebrows, fingernails, his outfits, and maybe they didn’t like his antics at the AMAs. It’s not necessarily just being gay, but his overall style that might not appeal to everyone. I mean, NPH is gay, but not in the same way that Adam is gay, just for one example. Not that everyone has to be demure or low key, but not everyone likes the style that Adam presents. I don’t think it’s just about sexuality that puts some people off.

    I completely agree. I don’t think they were talking just about his sexuality. It probably comes down to the way he dresses and wearing a lot of makeup. I mean, they love Justin Beiber! You can’t get more wholesome than that!

  307. How many people of the Idol audience are on the blogs or will read the interview? I often wondered how many that watch have no idea of these kind of details. less than 1% ? too high, too low? with an audience of 20 million..

    A ridiculously small number of people are “aware” of this interview and of those who have read it, reactions vary widely, with a good number thinking Warwick is simply deflecting the spotlight from the show’s dismal performance this year. Regardless, I can guarantee that the vast majority of people are far more interested in reading about Kitty “Meow” Kelley’s new book on Oprah which drops today (and the John Tesh tidbits) than they are in reading Kenny’s musings on Adam. Even the Steven Seagal stuff is more entertaining.

  308. I will also say that my favorite Adam performances were Tracks of My Tears and Mad World, so I could see people being turned off by how he is after Idol. If they also liked those performances, they would be wondering what happened to the “nice boy” they saw on Idol.

  309. Can someone be aggressively straight?

    Yes. I think people can be too aggressively sexual in public or on TV and it can be a turnoff to many people whether that’s aggressively straight or aggressively gay. People especially have a problem with it if they think the aggressive sexuality is there to cover for something like a bad performance or a lack of talent. Obviously a lack of talent is NOT the issue with Adam but after the AMAs I remember a few people at work felt that Adam was trying to cover for the fact that he was singing badly by upping the shock factor and he lost them with that.

    Tinawina: You nailed it IMO. I agree the gates started before the AMAs with the way Adam responded to people who didn’t like his album cover and some of his Details and Rolling Stone comments but the AMAs and Adam’s initial defensiveness broke Adam’s AI image from the fun, playful, slyly sexual, mad talented guy to the entitled, thinks he’s bigger than he is guy who metaphorically was going to force himself on you. WWFM was the PERFECT single to get him out of that but it’s going to take time. The AI producers will probably do more to help that process by showing Adam in the softest light possible. But there’s a risk it’ll get people resenting the show being an Adam vehicle instead of a contestant vehicle.

    It won’t happen but if Kate Gosselin gets voted off DWTS tonight I can see the watercooler talk being more about that than AI.

  310. But when he left Idol it was like more and more the negative started to be emphasized. He was always arguing with someone, there was always a “gate”. But still I didn’t think of this as entirely his fault. But the AMAs did break with that Idol image – he went from a more playful flirty sexuality to something more.. I don’t know.. aggressive? and not in a good way. And his attitude afterwards was sorta off-putting. Its not so much that he was Stepford Wife on the show, but now he doesn’t come off quite so much like he was inviting you in as much as he’s shutting you out. I can’t explain it. Then the AMAS have been followed by more “gates”. So while I still like Adam and want him to succeed, part of me wants that guy from Idol back – the guy that doesn’t seem to court negative publicity, they guy who just sings and performs well and doesn’t seem like he’s busy giving the middle finger to everyone all the time, even if you LIKE him. LOL.

    No yelling here.

    I think alot of what you maybe be seeing is stemming from the fact that he is the one paving the way, as an opening gay and yes sexual being from the start of his career here in North America. He is getting hit with all the fit into this box, no fit into that box….damnit why won’t you fit into my box. I think all that arguing is just Adam breaking through all the preconcived notions of what is supposed to be and not really who he is as an artist. Some of that negativity vibe might be showing just how frusterating it must be for Adam when all he wanted to do was make a record and sing. And I don’t think he was prepaired as much as he thought for what he about to do.
    Anywho thats IMHO and YMMV and all that jazz

  311. I would love nothing more for Adam to become the international star as a huge fan of his but know that is probably not realistic for him or anyone who is on Idol, but rather he not have to sacrifice too much of who he is to obtain superstar status. Not surprised by middle schoolers making fun of Adam being gay,wow it was like that 30 years ago when I was in middle school. My 13 year old son said that it is like that at his school being gay is considered an insult, how sad. It seems like most of the gay bloggers are really put off by Adam’s makeup, sexual performance style and that fact that he was photographed in a dress and struggles with his weight and acne problems.

  312. tinawina, I think you summed up pretty well how I’ve felt. And smeggingnuts, I agree that a lot of Adam’s “backtalk” has been out of frustration. He has come off as flippant or bratty at times, I think, and that has been a turnoff for some folks. Now, at the same time, I do always give Adam credit for being Adam. I just think if he’d sometimes have a *leeeetle* more of a filter he’d make it easier on himself :)

  313. Whether he thinks that was his intention or not, Adam always came off as aggressively gay, and he shouldn’t complain if the public pigeon-hole him as the “gay singer”, nor should he complain about double standard.

    Okay, while I think I probably agree with you that this *has* been a problem for Adam’s sales — and will be forever, most likely — I still have a *huge* problem with this idea, just as an idea.

    “Aggressively gay”??? Aren’t at least half the pop stars out there now — and maybe even half the pop stars in *history, going back to the dawn of civilization probably, “aggressively” sexual in some way? Seems to me one of the main purposes of pop music and pop culture overall, if not *the* main and possibly even *sole* purpose, is to sell us sexual or sexual-sublimated-as-romantic fantasy of some kind. It’s *all* about sex.

    And that’s a-okay and jim-dandy as long as the aggressive sex you’re selling (and even the Jonas brothers are aggressively selling sex, in my opinion — they’re just aggressively selling the nine-year-old-girl variety of it) is heterosexual …. But if you’re gay — the way you were born — then suddenly, even if you’re a pop singer, you’d better watch it and not be “aggressively gay,” or there’ll be trouble a-comin’ your way, mister.

    And, yeah, I know that this is the way the world works at this point in time. But it drives me crazy. (although I think that, unless and until a lot more pop-culture people do come out as aggressively gay, and everybody else just gets used to it, we’re never going to get past this period….)

    Furthermore, it drives me even crazier that, at the same time as a lot of folks take it as just a given — and perfectly okay — that Adam should be admonished for losing sales by being “aggressively gay,” a lot of folks also flatly deny that his homosexuality could possibly in the least play any role at all in his being accepted on the radio, etc.

    In my opinion, you can’t have it both ways.

    Either society doesn’t mind his being “aggressively gay,” in which case it doesn’t play any role in his acceptance *and* it is not a mistake to portray himself that way. Or, society *does* mind, and the fact that he can be labeled “aggressively gay” *does* most likely play a role — albeit perhaps an unconscious one — in corporate and institutional decision-making about him, just as it is said to do in individual album-purchase decisions.

    (I do get — and generally agree with — the point that his particular style of out-there dress and activity and some of his taste-level decisions are also part of the sales issue, and maybe a lot of it. … However, just the mere idea that at this point in time we can all just kind of nod at the idea of “aggressively gay” being a huge bad thing for your sales — while “aggressively straight (and even in kind of a bisexual kind of way)”, like Mick Jagger and others — has long been kind of fabulous for your sales!)

  314. Much of the banter of the judges and between judges and contestants and Ryan are excruciatingly painful, and also, Idol could do a lot more with the backstage stuff.

    Yep, I agree with this.

    They’re about as conservative about this as they are about approving some *new* songs for their theme nights!

  315. lucy, I’m not sure that most folks would dismiss his sexuality as being a factor in his career. Of course it is, though I’m not sure there’s a way to measure how much. I think the resistance comes at the notion or appearance that anything that goes wrong for him is to be blamed on homophobia. I feel like sometimes it is the go-to excuse, or if nothing else the go-to term to fling at people who don’t like Adam. I know many of his fans don’t do that, but it happens often enough. Certainly, though, it would take a head in the sand to believe that his being openly gay never affects him.

  316. I just think if he’d sometimes have a *leeeetle* more of a filter he’d make it easier on himself

    awww tierbee but that what makes being an Adam so much fun :) hehehe

  317. tinawina and windmills, your posts reflect almost exactly how I feel, as far as how I looked at Adam while he was on the show, vs afterward.

    In addition, I don’t enjoy anyone, male or female, straight or gay, that makes their sexual identity their primary personality trait. I don’t care what people do consensually in the privacy of their bedrooms, but I don’t like to have it shoved in my face in public. If that is who he really is, and we just got the sanitized version while he was on the show so he could stay in the competition longer, then he should absolutely be as OTT and flamboyant and GAY as he wants to be. If he wants to be controversial, non Politically Correct, a denizen of night clubs and red carpets and fodder for the tabloids, he really can’t turn around and complain when people are turned off by that behavior. Add on top of that all the many promotional opportunities he’s been given, to try and make him this International Superstah, and have them not pan out in proportion to his relatively low level of sales and radio play, and it’s very frustrating to see other equally talented and deserving past contestants who have much more success under their belt, not get even a quarter of the promo Adam has gotten. IMO, YMMV etc.

  318. Performance night, rhinestones on the eyes or not? Maybe a tear drop? Leno Sleepwalker look? Hair up or down? Probably depends on if they are going acoustic or not.

  319. If he wants to be controversial, non Politically Correct, a denizen of night clubs and red carpets and fodder for the tabloids, he really can’t turn around and complain when people are turned off by that behavior.

    Um as far as I can remember he has never complained and has always said that he is not for everyone.

    sr4mjc:
    04/13/2010 at 12:00 pm
    Performance night, rhinestones on the eyes or not? Maybe a tear drop? Leno Sleepwalker look? Hair up or down? Probably depends on if they are going acoustic or not.

    God its hard to decide I am gonna say hair down so that people won’t think he is trying to compair himself to Elvis. And you know damn well there is gonna be some sparkels a happening…the question is how much. Maybe the pants like the ones he wore on the Early Show, or a shirt like his queen one….I think he will go minimal on the eyeliner and shadow

  320. Add on top of that all the many promotional opportunities he’s been given, to try and make him this International Superstah, and have them not pan out in proportion to his relatively low level of sales and radio play, and it’s very frustrating to see other equally talented and deserving past contestants who have much more success under their belt, not get even a quarter of the promo Adam has gotten. IMO, YMMV etc.

    That’s actually the part that bothers me the least. I honestly feel like every top 2 contestant from this show will make a living in music for years to come, so I’m not worried about that part. I feel like you get your year to launch and you have to make the best out of whatever cards are dealt. None of them are guaranteed anything. You walk off the show with whatever support you were able to muster… whether it is from the media or a rabid fanbase or 19 or whomever. So if Adam got a lot of industry support then good for him… he should work that like crazy. Everybody had their shot at bat, you know?

  321. n addition, I don’t enjoy anyone, male or female, straight or gay, that makes their sexual identity their primary personality trait. I don’t care what people do consensually in the privacy of their bedrooms, but I don’t like to have it shoved in my face in public.

    I understand this, but do you listen to Top 40? Watch videos? It’s so in your face and some of the songs are downright raunchy. Bedrock, Rude Boy? Even as sanitized as it is, Lady A’s ‘Need You Now’ is about a drunk booty call. I’m not even sure Adam could get away with singing that boring song with the same lyrics. Soaked is much more abstract when approaching the same subject matter. So while not everyone is going to like crotch grabbing in general, it’s not rocket science to realize that Rhianna grabbing her crotch is going to be more accepted than Adam.

    He’s had a ton of promotion doing acoustic sets where he’s been completely calm, neatly dressed, no OTT. Speilburg’s event? He’s not OTT 24/7, but it’s there sometimes and usually within context. Mardi Gras?

    I do find it interesting that Ken said people asked when Adam is going to be back. So at least the interest is still there. If he has to dial it back for a year or two to gain fans back, i guess he does. But I like OTT Adam, but I realize not everyone will. It’s what makes him special to me, something that isn’t like everyone else. Crawl Thru Fire Adam. But it’s me, I’m a freak. ;)

  322. Tinawina: You nailed it IMO. I agree the gates started before the AMAs with the way Adam responded to people who didn’t like his album cover and some of his Details and Rolling Stone comments but the AMAs and Adam’s initial defensiveness broke Adam’s AI image from the fun, playful, slyly sexual, mad talented guy to the entitled, thinks he’s bigger than he is guy who metaphorically was going to force himself on you.

    Sorry, I respectfully disagree. With the “entitled” and “self-indulgent” parts. To me, what I think the fans understand and accept and what the non-fans or neutral parties don’t is that, to Adam, being true to himself and making decisions that are consistent with his own artistic vision are more important than worrying about what will or will not be accepted by the mainstream public. Adam has said repeatedly that he’s not for everyone and that if you’re pleasing everyone, you’re probably doing something wrong (I’m paraphrasing). Looking at the album cover, some may consider it tacky but truly that’s a question of personal taste. It’s not as if some third-rate artist whipped it out. It was done by a VP at Sony who has considerable experience and a reputation for avante garde work and who did an acclaimed cover for Beyonce. Adam took a risk and he’s explained his reasons – he was going for a Bowie-esque cover (many of which are classics) – but I just don’t agree that it was a self-indulgent move. We can go around in circles arguing how many sales he lost (I’m sure he lost some) but ultimately what’s wrong with stepping up and making his own artistic choice rather than going for a consensus middle-of-the-road opinion and deciding something by committee? He explains his choice of FYE in the Beatweek article in much the same way. He went for something unexpected, a sound people wouldn’t have expected from him.

    Bottom line: Adam takes risks, Adam changes things up, Adam likes to do the unexpected. That’s who he is and who he was on Idol. And, frankly, it worked pretty well on Idol. At the time, a lot of people kept saying he was making a mistake but now the general consensus (including the opinions of a number of media people who clearly didn’t like him back then) is that he was the most exciting thing on the show last year.

    Ken Warwick would love Adam to be a pop superstar. Like yesterday. Because that would reflect so well on his show. And perhaps he thinks if Adam had stayed more like Idol Adam, he would have blown up bigger. I’m not so sure that’s the case but regardless, it’s Adam’s life and Adam’s career and I’m perfectly fine with his choices.

  323. I just want to hear his advise for this season’s contestants.. I think he does have a lot of ideas to offer.

  324. Bottom line: Adam takes risks, Adam changes things up, Adam likes to do the unexpected. That’s who he is and who he was on Idol. And, frankly, it worked pretty well on Idol. At the time, a lot of people kept saying he was making a mistake but now the general consensus (including the opinions of a number of media people who clearly didn’t like him back then) is that he was the most exciting thing on the show last year.

    I agree with everything you said. Now…with that being said, I think the “Adam takes risks” part might still come into play on Wednesday night. We all know he loves to surprise, and he hates doing things the same way over and over. WWFM acoustic has been done a lot, so he’s got to be growing old of it by now. What are our chances that he’ll speed it up and swtich it around for the first time? He’s all about the shock factor…. :)

  325. I agree with everything you said. Now…with that being said, I think the “Adam takes risks” part might still come into play on Wednesday night. We all know he loves to surprise, and he hates doing things the same way over and over. WWFM acoustic has been done a lot, so he’s got to be growing old of it by now. What are our chances that he’ll speed it up and swtich it around for the first time? He’s all about the shock factor…. :)

    Like the remix version?

  326. Like the remix version?

    Maybe something in between? I’m just giddy with anticipation! I really can’t believe he’ll walk out and perform it straight up like he’s done over and over. This is why it’s so fun being and Adam fan…all of the anticipation! :)

  327. To whoever(sorry, I can’t remember your screenname) asked if I listen to Top 40 radio, the answer is no, for precisely the reason you mention. Terrible lyrics, very little melody, and I HATE rap. Top 40 Radio is why I love my iPod so much, lol.

    tinawina, it’s not so much that I worry that some other contestant isn’t getting the same opportunities, as far as how it will impact his career, long term. But, the rationale that Adam gets all this extra content, deluxe EPs, remixes, etc., when he hasn’t sold as much as another contestant that didn’t get the extras, that bothers me from a selfish point of view. Where is the live concert recordings and DVD? What about an acoustic EP? How expensive could that last one be to put together for the fans? I just want to spend my money, and tptb aren’t letting me, lol!

  328. To me, what I think the fans understand and accept and what the non-fans or neutral parties don’t is that, to Adam, being true to himself and making decisions that are consistent with his own artistic vision are more important than worrying about what will or will not be accepted by the mainstream public.

    I never thought otherwise about Adam and he is far from unique in that regard. In fact I’d say that attitude is pretty common in entertainment. But more than once Adam’s been pretty defensive when people haven’t been into what he does (album cover, AMAs, SuBo comments). He makes his decisions and states his opinions but then more than once he’s felt the need to comment on people who don’t like or agree with what he does in a not so neutral way. That makes it seem like he DOES worry about what the mainstream public thinks and undercuts his attitude.

  329. I think Adam may worry some about what the mainstream public thinks about some of the stuff he chooses to do but my guess is he doesn’t obsess over it. In our technological world, it’s pretty easy to read what people are thinking all the time.

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