Disney reviewing live shows after Adam Lambert Performance

ABC’s parent company, Disney is reviewing the steps it takes to vet live performances in the wake of Adam Lambert’s American Music Awards performance.

I’m not sure how Disney can stop artists from improvising on stage, unless they spell out the consequences of deviating from rehearsal up front. It’ll be interesting to see how future live performance shows play out.

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BTW, I think Disney knew they wouldn’t have a problem with Adam on GMA, they canceled his performance to punish him and show him who’s boss. Disney was also setting Adam up as an example, so that artists will think twice before they go off script.

via Reuters

Disney/ABC Television Group President Anne Sweeney told Reuters that in reaction to the Lambert performance, Disney was reviewing the steps it takes to vet live performances by getting assurances from artists that their stage shows will resemble their rehearsals, and using contractual obligations to hold them to that.

“We certainly don’t want to suppress artistry at any level, but we also have to be very cognizant of who our audience is, ” Sweeney said at the Reuters Media Summit on Monday.

She added that it was the right decision for ABC to cancel Lambert’s scheduled performance on “Good Morning America, ” noting that many children watch the morning news show.

“We really had to take the decision very seriously and found that his performance was very unpredictable at night and (we) didn’t know what to expect in the morning, ” she said.

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208 Comments

  1. This is friggin’ ridiculous. Do THEY know the difference between a performance at 10:45 at night and a morning performance? Wow, he was SO inappropriate on The Early Show. Did they LISTEN to the lyrics of the song?

    Bah!

  2. She added that it was the right decision for ABC to cancel Lambert’s scheduled performance on ‘Good Morning America,’  noting that many children watch the morning news show.

    ‘We really had to take the decision very seriously and found that his performance was very unpredictable at night and (we) didn’t know what to expect in the morning,’  she said

    I still find this quote completely ridiculous. Adam had performed on AI for months without incident; he was on GMA itself in August and was perfectly appropriate. In May he performed on the Today Show, the Early Show, Regis etc. etc., all with no problem. But due to a single performance — at a risque, sexually charged award show — they now didn’t know what to expect? I call BS.

  3. Do they not get that there is a world of difference between a performance done on a very adult (in terms of content) awards show at nearly 11:00PM and one done at 8:00 in the morning while people are eating breakfast? Can they seriously not differentiate between the two?

  4. Well, given that they obviously think it’s fine for Miley C, star of a Saturday-morning *kiddie* show, no less, to pole dance at an awards show, I wouldn’t really award Disney a lot of points for being able to make intelligent discriminations.

    I still figure that there’s some scenario going on like that some big sponsor is connected to one of the advocacy groups that have long been eying Disney as too gay-friendly and has now seized upon the Adam thing as an Aha! We’ve got them now! moment to threaten some major financial or other retaliation.

  5. Whatever. I’d still like to know whose children are watching GMA in the morning. Most kids I know/have known watched cartoons or Nickelodean until it was time to catch the bus. But, if ABC really thinks children watch, they need to get rid of the violent and provocative stories they air. There’s a lot of disturbing stuff on those morning shows. Who sends their kids off to school thinking about a mother who murdered her own children or beheadings in Iraq?

  6. Joy Behar is correct, ABC chickened out and continues to do so . . . .

  7. Whatever. I’d still like to know whose children are watching GMA in the morning. Most kids I know/have known watched cartoons or Nickelodean until it was time to catch the bus.

    Actually, this is the first I’ve heard that *any* children watch the morning news shows unless the Jonas Brothers are going to be on or something ….

    I guess they probably do have numbers that show that kids watch the *concerts.* ….

  8. I want to know whose children sat through 2 hrs. of very racy performances at the AMAs before Adam even came on? Can anyone at Disney argue that the AMAs this year weren’t exactly kid-friendly from the very first act?

  9. I still figure that there’s some scenario going on like that some big sponsor is connected to one of the advocacy groups that have long been eying Disney as too gay-friendly and has now seized upon the Adam thing as an Aha! We’ve got them now! moment to threaten some major financial or other retaliation.

    That’s my thought, too. Someone is threatening to take away their sponsorships and money, so Disney has to come out with this kind of talk. To paraphrase Wu-Tang: C.R.E.A.M. = Cash Rules Everything Around Mickey.

  10. by getting assurances from artists that their stage shows will resemble their rehearsals, and using contractual obligations to hold them to that

    And this is going to happen…like never. No serious artist would sign such a contract. The thought is beyong ridiculous. If ABC carries out this implied “threat” they won’t be broadcasting any live award shows in the future. The Artists union will not allow their members to participate…mark my words.

  11. Actually, this is the first I’ve heard that *any* children watch the morning news shows unless the Jonas Brothers are going to be on or something ‘ ¦.

    Good point — I mean, don’t most kids oh, I don’t know, go to school?? I know my kids are on the school bus by 7:30 am…well before any musical guests would perform on any morning show…So tired of the “think about the children” excuse

  12. I want to know whose children sat through 2 hrs. of very racy performances at the AMAs before Adam even came on? Can anyone at Disney argue that the AMAs this year weren’t exactly kid-friendly from the very first act?

    That is a good point. Most of what you said, has been stated many times over the last week, but your post by far summed it up in 3 questions.

  13. Good point ‘” I mean, don’t most kids oh, I don’t know, go to school??

    Maybe this is all about protecting the home-schooled children, lol.

  14. Bunch of hypocrites. Guess ABC won’t be doing live TV anymore. No way are artists going to sign something. And if this is because of a sponsor threatening to withdraw money that makes this direction even more worrisome about the future of network television. Cable here we come.

  15. But, if ABC really thinks children watch, they need to get rid of the violent and provocative stories they air.

    Or the segments where they go into detailed discussions of “the joy of sex”. Or their detailed descriptions of rape and murder when reporting the latest “crime of the week”.
    When have news shows ever been for young children?

    I want to know whose children sat through 2 hrs. of very racy performances at the AMAs before Adam even came on? Can anyone at Disney argue that the AMAs this year weren’t exactly kid-friendly from the very first act?

    This question can not be asked enough!

  16. Since when do children watch those morning shows. They are boring, really boring. Even most adults don’t sit through an entire show. They may have the TV on while they are getting ready for work and with their morning coffee. I only watch it (actually I tape it) when Adam is on.

  17. I want to know whose children sat through 2 hrs. of very racy performances at the AMAs before Adam even came on? Can anyone at Disney argue that the AMAs this year weren’t exactly kid-friendly from the very first act?

    Children do not have the attention span for 2 and 3 hour awards shows that are not directly programmed for children. And, if your 5 year old is up at 11:00 pm on a school night, you’ve got bigger problems than Adam Lambert.

    I do not know any children who watch the morning news shows. Mine certainly don’t, as typically they’re in school then. And, of course, I never watch those shows myself LOL.

    My 5 year old adores Miley, and would happily want to view her live performance on tv. Typically, I’d DVR it for her if it was on too late. But, after the stripper pole incident, I just never mention to her when Miley will be on tv anymore.

    To me, since the end of Season 8, Adam has pretty much telegraphed that he’s a little PG-13 in the evening. So, I knew that I should expect something on the AMA’s that I wouldn’t want to save on the DVR for the kids. Miley is a whole other story. She cultivated her fanbase on a children’s tv show. Then, she pole-danced on the Teen Choice Awards – which actually IS an awards show the some parents let their kids watch.

    To me, that’s definitely the more concerning issue, as a parent.

    ABC & Disney sure are milking this little incident for all it’s worth LOL.

  18. Ok, these people are really making me mad now, unpredictable my a$$! They knew what was coming, heard the song, had rehearsals, the only things that Adam improvized on were the kiss and crouch thing, and the rest of the routine was fine with them? Men on leashes, image of a treasome is not too racy for them?!! The whole performance was racy, they knew about it, they advertized it as such on their website and throughout the show, and now they are turning around, trying to blacklist an artist?!!! The entire show was filled with racy, sexy images, it IS an adult oriented show, and btw my most uncomfortable moment was Shakira and her dancers humping the air like some overheated b****s, and that is ok with them to air even earlier?!! hyppocrites!

  19. II wouldn’t bother setting those DVRs to see Adam on New Year’s Rocking Eve…No way that’s going to happen now.

  20. I think that Adam’s tweets this morning kind of put these issues to bed. He’s going in a different direction, he’s learning, he’s multidimensional, unapologetic, but self aware. Good enough for me. I’m moving on. And in response to all of this controversy…I just don’t get it. I wonder if we didn’t have the internet if this would have been such a big deal. I just feel like the internet creates this crazy, inflated buzz that would not exist otherwise.

  21. tweets from Adam: (Read from bottom up)

    And thank you all for your kind and supportive tweets. Means more than you can imagine. It was a looong week. :)
    14 minutes ago from Echofon

    I’m learning. :)
    20 minutes ago from Echofon

    Don’t worry friends: I’m still gonna be me. Always. W/o appologies. Just gonna experiment differently w how I present myself.
    21 minutes ago from Echofon

    ellen:airing 2m.Singing ‘whatya want from me’! AMA performance was a one time event. Goin in a new direction now. Focus back on the music.
    43 minutes ago from Echofon

    Oh and please go get both Allison iraheta’s and Kris Allen’s videos and albums on iTunes! So proud of you both!
    about 1 hour ago from Echofon

    Good morning! Excited to finally meet Ellen! For the record: the insurance policy rumor is hilarious! (untrue)
    about 1 hour ago from Echofon

  22. by getting assurances from artists that their stage shows will resemble their rehearsals, and using contractual obligations to hold them to that

    Lady Gaga didn’t break those beer bottles on her piano during rehearsals. So bye bye Gaga next year.

  23. On second thought, if this will keep the rappers from grabbing their dicks 50 times in a performance-I’m all for it!
    Oh, but that’s probably okay for the young chillrun to see.

  24. and btw my most uncomfortable moment was Shakira and her dancers humping the air like some overheated b****s, and that is ok with them to air even earlier?!! hyppocrites!

    Yeah, me too. This one seemed really too hot to handle, to me. I’m kind of amazed that it seems to get a complete pass from critics.

  25. On second thought, if this will keep the rappers from grabbing their dicks 50 times in a performance-I’m all for it!
    Oh, but that’s probably okay for the young chillrun to see.

    Apparently so, since they’ve been doing it for years now with no repercussions…..

    Maybe if someone pointed out to them that a rapper grabbing his own cock is actually a male-on-male act …..

  26. ‘We really had to take the decision very seriously and found that his performance was very unpredictable at night and (we) didn’t know what to expect in the morning,’  she said.

    Did Disney’s spokesperson have a straight face when she said this? lol. I seriously doubt it. Is there video of her saying this? I want to see it!

  27. IdolThoughts. It’s not just the internet bloggers. There were over 10,000 articles and counting written about Adam’s AMA performance

  28. II wouldn’t bother setting those DVRs to see Adam on New Year’s Rocking Eve’ ¦No way that’s going to happen now

    Huh? IIRC some of the non-Times Square portions of the broadcast are often taped in a studio days beforehand. Even if it was live, it is a midnight performance and I think ABC and DCP would get tons more negative press if they cancel him now. I fully expect that he will still be on the show (assuming Billboard was correct that he was booked to be on the show)

  29. Another news cycle begins with Adam Lambert making headline news on CNN.com(among many others)… again.

    He must be SICK of this stuff. I am. Re: his tweets, I don’t think he’s been given a bitch-slap by anyone… he’s just tired of talking about it.

    What a bunch of tossers ABC/Disney are. So predictable.

  30. jpfan, I understand your point, and you could be right. However, I just don’t think there’s anything to gain for ABC by permanently banning the “gay guy” from their network. At some point, the politically correct police will put that discriminatory spin on it – and it won’t do ABC any favors.

    Anything beyond the cancellation of the GMA performance just looks reactionary and retaliatory. At some point, ABC will come out looking like the bully picking on the little guy. They have to temper their reaction before it gets to that tipping point.

  31. by getting assurances from artists that their stage shows will resemble their rehearsals, and using contractual obligations to hold them to that

    Lady Gaga didn’t break those beer bottles on her piano during rehearsals. So bye bye Gaga next year.

    Yep! Can you imagine Gaga, Katy Perry or Eminem signing some kind of contract. Ain’t gonna happen.

    After Green Day used the F-word on the GMA summer concert series, AI wouldn’t let them perform live. However, they performed live on the AMAs. hmmmm…

  32. I think he thought it was great to get the headlines, but now it is tiresome and his music is being overshadowed by it and now another week begins and it starts all over again, so he is trying to change the subject…..

    we don’t know how rough this may have been on him, as he is still a new artist, and the public pressure he was feeling to say all the ‘right things’ may have be enormous and highly stressful.

  33. Are they going to fine him or ABC? Is that what happens when the FCC gets involved?

  34. LaurelG:
    (we) didn’t know what to expect in the morning,’  …

    Did Disney’s spokesperson have a straight face when she said this?

    Apparently all the footage from Adam’s mere months-old morning performance in Central Park for GMA had been stolen from the archives. And they had no internet access to review the 350 million blog posts showing the handsome, sweet guy singing like an angel.

    Of course, now all they have to do to know what to expect is watch The Early Show two-hour Lambertarian promo. Of a handsome, sweet guy — smiling at his mother no less – and singing like a star.

    So, how many Rock Stars gonna try to get banned by ABC now?

    How in the world did Sony get Disney to keep this story going?

  35. Based upon Adam’s newest tweets:

    “ellen:airing 2m.Singing ‘whatya want from me’! AMA performance was a one time event. Goin in a new direction now. Focus back on the music.”

    I think Adam gets it that he is sexiest when he isn’t trying so hard to be sexy. He doesn’t need to go raunchy. It’s unnecessary.

    Good. Glad he gets it.

  36. I think Disney knew they wouldn’t have a problem with Adam on GMA, they canceled his performance to punish him and show him who’s boss.

    I agree. ABC/Disney obviously has a zero-ad-lib policy and for breaking that, the artist was punished.

    Also, I’m thinking that they are now congratulating themselves for coming up with an idea of fining artists for performing unplanned acts :/

  37. Thank god there aren’t many ABC programs I watch. (Trying to think of one right now.) Because I have no desire to give them 5 minutes of my time after this fiasco.

  38. Somehow, it just feels like Adam is taking all the heat for an awards show that was, apart from, maybe a handful of performances, racy and controversial.

    The whole thing has turned into a fiasco.

  39. Anything beyond the cancellation of the GMA performance just looks reactionary and retaliatory. At some point, ABC will come out looking like the bully picking on the little guy. They have to temper their reaction before it gets to that tipping point.

    Exactly. They’re obviously stupid, but not that stupid.

  40. Poor Adam. He had such a stressful week, and they are still talking about the AMA performance. He wants to move on, but “they” are not allowing him.

  41. Eminem was heavily bleeped during his song. ABC knew what was coming. Adam did his own thing and unlike Gaga went over the edge in the wrong venue.

    Adam seems to have gotten the message though. Loud and clear. If his fans want to go on a campaign against ABC/Disney, that’s their call.
    Just be wary because Disney and 19 are business partners.

  42. Are they going to fine him or ABC? Is that what happens when the FCC gets involved?

    It’s stations and networks that get fined, not performers.

    However, the FCC isn’t going to get involved. They know perfectly well that they can’t make a discriminatory ruling that fines a network for showing a homosexual act that’s equivalent to a whole bunch of heterosexual acts that were shown in the same program, and earlier in the evening, no less. No way would such a ruling stand up in court.

  43. What I have seen by his tweets he is thinking about what happened.

  44. Ruh roh. LMAO at this entire thing.

    II wouldn’t bother setting those DVRs to see Adam on New Year’s Rocking Eve’ ¦No way that’s going to happen now

    I don’t know about that but I’m not going to DVR any ABC awards shows anymore. Sounds like they’re going to be real snore.

    ‘We really had to take the decision very seriously and found that his performance was very unpredictable at night and (we) didn’t know what to expect in the morning,’  she said.

    Did Disney’s spokesperson have a straight face when she said this? lol. I seriously doubt it. Is there video of her saying this? I want to see it!

    Did they happen to see how Rihanna looked in the morning after Chris Brown beat the shit out of her? They apparently have no problem with that sort of thing.

  45. So, how many Rock Stars gonna try to get banned by ABC now?

    Bwahahaha!!

    I will tell you. Green Day will probably refuse to make an appearance on ABC. They gave Walmart the finger. I can’t see them agreeing to any sort of pre-established censorship.

  46. I can’t believe that ABC thinks the parents that complained about Adam’s performance let their kids watch the morning news which is often about murder and pedophiles . I know I have to turn off the news more than any other program when my kids are in the room. The GMA should have never been cancelled, Adam should have just been told to not sing FYE. I get sick of overly conservative parents rights being put before everyone elses rights. They have no right to tell other people how to live when they can just turn off the damn TV and problem is solved.

  47. I guess Adam may be discovering now that the Out guy is correct. You can’t just go out as a gay man and be yourself, without bothering about all that silly, passe political-struggle stuff that Adam seemed to believe his generation has gone well beyond. The fight’s still going on, big time. So it’s either keep your sexuality well under wraps or become involved in the struggle, one way or another.

    Can’t say that I’m sorry to see this point brought home to him.

  48. So, how many Rock Stars gonna try to get banned by ABC now?

    It’ll be like a badge of honor — they can print t-shirts saying “I got banned by ABC”

  49. I don’t know… i kind of accept what disney/ABC did to adam… yeah, it sucks, but working with an unpredictable artist is kind of frightening, especially when it comes to losing audiences or sponsors. You have to realize that business is business, and sometimes it isn’t personal. They can’t reprimand miley as harshly as adam because miley is their cash cow. yeah, she probably gets scolded and threatened, but behind closed doors. miley is too valuable to them to lose. adam on the other hand is expendable because he is a new artist and not signed under them.

  50. It’ll be like a badge of honor ‘” they can print t-shirts saying ‘I got banned by ABC’ 

    OMG! I want one and would buy one right now!

  51. Adam has been on GMA at least twice and they had tape of all of his performances from other shows.
    ABC is full of BS on this issue. My guess is that they’re begging Adam’s publicist to allow him on the show for an interview and to perform. They saw what the fan reaction was to his CBS appearance and they want some of the action now.

  52. They can’t reprimand miley as harshly as adam because miley is their cash cow. yeah, she probably gets scolded and threatened,

    How the heck could they scold or threaten her when they obviously fully sanctioned and approved of her pole dance in advance?

  53. Actually many established singers use shows like the AMAs to sell their cds. So I don’t think they will give up any award show, especially one on regular TV. They get many eyes watching and it is more free advertising. That is why Adam performed on the AMAs.

  54. Did they happen to see how Rihanna looked in the morning after Chris Brown beat the shit out of her? They apparently have no problem with that sort of thing.

    Actually, I’m kind of cracking up at the thought of the suits at ABC and Disney scrambling like mad to try and make everybody happy this week.

    “Got some complaints from the parents group – let’s kick Lambert off GMA.”

    “Uh oh – now everyone’s pissed we’re having the girlfriend abuser on for the first stop of his contrition tour – move his ass to 20/20.”

    “Damn – this crap’s still getting headlines – and we look like pussies. Someone put out a bullshit mumbo-jumbo statement about policy changes.”

  55. Just be wary because Disney and 19 are business partners.

    Who cares about that? This isn’t about Adam or American Idol, anymore. I doubt any self-respecting artist is going to allow ABC to preview their performance and tell them what they can and can’t keep in when it comes to live appearances.

  56. Before many artists didn’t need award shows, but now they use them as a vehicle to sell more of their music. So I don’t think other artists will give up the free advertising any time soon.

  57. Rolling Stone now helping Adam out:

    musicnme01 Adam Lambert Vows to ‘Focus on the Music’  After AMAs Controversy: Adam Lambert has finally admitted.. http://bit.ly/5gUMCi 2 minutes ago from twitterfeed

  58. I’m not sure how Disney can stop artists from improvising on stage, unless they spell out the consequences of deviating from rehearsal up front. It’ll be interesting to see how future live performance shows play out.

    BTW, I think Disney knew they wouldn’t have a problem with Adam on GMA, they canceled his performance to punish him and show him who’s boss. Disney was also setting Adam up as an example, so that artists will think twice before they go off script.

    I think you’re spot on with your analysis MJ.

    I don’t think they’ll insist on 100% adherence to rehearsals but it’s meant to be a message to people that they’ve got to keep their performances within certain boundaries or not expect the privilege of more live gigs on that network.

  59. Eminem was heavily bleeped during his song. ABC knew what was coming.

    Then they could have edited the simulated sex act. They edited the finger. I call Bullshit on this whole thing.

    Like I said, if it keeps me from having to watch rappers hold their dicks during their entire performance-I’m all for the contracts! I’ve been sick of seeing that shit for years!

  60. I don’t think fans are going to wage a war on Disney, lol.

    LOL – yeah, no. Even if people wanted to (waging war against the networks definitely not being my thing anyway), the little people in our households would never allow that. The mouse owns me. I wish I could say different, but I am no f*cking match for the powers of Tinkerbelle.

  61. It is not we have to say, but what the complaints said. Even if there were fans who wrote ABC to stick up for Adam, there were many who wrote complaining. It’s not like there were only fans writing on Adam’s behalf, there were many writing against him.

  62. Who cares about that? This isn’t about Adam or American Idol, anymore. I doubt any self-respecting artist is going to allow ABC to preview their performance and tell them what they can and can’t keep in when it comes to live appearances

    Off to the barricades. Let’s fight to the death for pretend blow jobs on network TV. I’d love to see the signs ;)

    Artists know network standards are different from cable or live shows. I don’t see the big issue. If they want to fight it out over blow jobs, that’s their call. And if fans think free speech is the issue and not Adam’s career, that’s fine too. I’ll get some popcorn ready….

  63. Adam has been on GMA at least twice and they had tape of all of his performances from other shows.
    ABC is full of BS on this issue. My guess is that they’re begging Adam’s publicist to allow him on the show for an interview and to perform. They saw what the fan reaction was to his CBS appearance and they want some of the action now.

    I agree. And I believe Adam when he mentioned on CBS that he was not planning to perform FYE on the Early Show. ABC is full of crap… I’m being nice here.

  64. If fans start to attack ABC and Disney, other companies and corporations might see Adam as a “problem”. So the more people attack ABC and Disney the more people at 19 and Fremantle right regret putting Adam on the show or backing him. They might see him as ‘trouble’, liability, or a risk.

    That could be a possibility.

  65. Lets all be realistic about this the children issue is just smoke screen for you made us look bad and now we have to come up with a way to protect our asses. Honestly say the performance did not cause such a controversy, ABC. Disney would not have canceled him regardless if he went off script. If he went off script and it was a media hoopla but in a positive way he would be on GMA 3 time in the week. I think it is great that Adam has addressed the issue by saying it was a one time performance and that he is learning and going in a different direction by focusing on the music. Regardless on one’s view on the performance have to give him props for admitting he is still leaning which is what I thought from the beginning. He tried something it didn’t really work (though I don’t think it was a total failure either) so now he is adjusting.

  66. Maybe if someone pointed out to them that a rapper grabbing his own cock is actually a male-on-male act ‘ ¦..

    Very good point, I did not see it that way, lol.

  67. It’s not like there were only fans writing on Adam’s behalf, there were many writing against him.

    They reported 1500 complaints and said it was a “moderate amount”. They also said they get more complaints from DWTS. I’m still calling BULLSHIT!

    ‘Damn ‘“ this crap’s still getting headlines ‘“ and we look like pussies. Someone put out a bullshit mumbo-jumbo statement about policy changes.’ 

    That makes just about as much sense as any of the rest of it.

  68. They also said they get more complaints from DWTS.

    It could be the type of acts or performances that is the difference. Accidentally showing a little more cleavage on a dress is different than live simulated sex acts on tv if that is what is mentioned in the complaints.

  69. They can’t reprimand miley as harshly as adam because miley is their cash cow. yeah, she probably gets scolded and threatened,

    How the heck could they scold or threaten her when they obviously fully sanctioned and approved of her pole dance in advance?

    That’s why ABC is full of it. Nevermind Adam’s performance on AMA, ABC has now decided that the Cris Brown interview will air WITHOUT him singing. I hate the fact that they decided to go ahead and interview a women beater and it’s all for their ratings, seeing how CBS the Early Show came out the ‘winner’ so to speak after ABC’s stupid decision to cancel Adam’s GMA performance.

  70. Thank god there aren’t many ABC programs I watch. (Trying to think of one right now.) Because I have no desire to give them 5 minutes of my time after this fiasco.

    Me too, sorry, ladies of the View (except Elizabeth, can’t stand her)

  71. ABC is scrambling. The mouse is chasing its tail and scurrying to avoid some inevitable traps. Better come up with some gender neutral wording and appear to be serving the public good.

    This is such djà   vu crap and why network t.v. and terrestrial radio is so boring and formulaic.

  72. “Adam may be discovering now that the Out guy is correct. You can’t just go out as a gay man and be yourself, without bothering about all that silly, passe political-struggle stuff that Adam seemed to believe his generation has gone well beyond.”

    Maybe. To me if it feels more like this, though, or at least, in addition, this:

    He’s catching up to the difference between working with people at Zodiac, Upright, etc. who were more about art and personal integrity than the businesses and corporations he’s dealing with now are.

    I felt the Out Editor didn’t deal with Adam fairly, plain and simple.

    I feel ABC frankly used him, too, and that all their hand-wringing now is – and I think the word fits – disgusting.

    But Adam’s so smart, he’ll be at the curve or ahead of it in a minute if he’s not already. He’s talked about being idealistic sometimes and living in an LA bubble.

    But I respect him for having forged a life that put him in the company of people who give a lot of conscious thought to how they conduct their lives and their art and the fact is that now he’s in the world where only money matters.

  73. So, how many Rock Stars gonna try to get banned by ABC now?

    Love this.

  74. It could be the type of acts or performances that is the difference. Accidentally showing a little more cleavage on a dress is different than live simulated sex acts on tv if that is what is mentioned in the complaints.

    Well, in fairness, I think that the entire premise of daytime soaps is based on simulated sex acts. And ABC is the network that pioneered shower sex in primetime on NYPD Blue. So, my guess is that this is just an oral fixation for them. Okay to simulate intercourse on our network – but no simulated blow jobs, thank you very much. LOL.

  75. ^^^ I don’t think they want to get banned because if they can’t perform…they don’t sell more cds.

  76. In every interview since the AMA’s and GMA’s cancellation, Adam has been asked about GMA. His response has been direct and correct…he is not a babysitter. My two children were appropriately in bed at 11:00 pm on a Sunday night.

    I would love to see him perform FYE on SNL or the Today show. Each performance would be totally different because of the audience.

  77. He’s catching up to the difference between working with people at Zodiac, Upright, etc. who were more about art and personal integrity than the businesses and corporations he’s dealing with now are.

    Yeah, I agree. That, too.

    He’s involved in a very steep learning curve right now. … But although his is a little more public and louder than others, that’s just the way it is for all these kids when they move from whatever two-bit show-biz they were involved in before the show into the big entertainment industry.

    He’ll learn a lot over the next year or so, I’m sure. I’m also sure that he’ll be just fine.

  78. ABC is full of BS on this issue. My guess is that they’re begging Adam’s publicist to allow him on the show for an interview and to perform. They saw what the fan reaction was to his CBS appearance and they want some of the action now.

    I hope any future efforts by GMA to get Adam on come at times when he can turn them down due to prior commitments. He shouldn’t be seen as actually boycotting them, but I think any other plans should take precedence. ;)

  79. Barbara Walters mentioned on the View today that Adam Lambert is going to be on 20/20 next Wednesday December 9 for top 10 most fascinating people which includes Lady Gaga. :D They are definitely the most fascinating for me out of the rest of the candidates.

  80. I don’t think they’ll insist on 100% adherence to rehearsals but it’s meant to be a message to people that they’ve got to keep their performances within certain boundaries or not expect the privilege of more live gigs on that network.

    Which is fine. As Adam has said, ABC has to do what ABC needs to do and realizing they were getting it from all sides.

    But continuing to use Adam as an example and scapegoat? Oy. And 1500 complaints is not that much. I know yes, people complained, but obviously people also complained enough about cancelling Adam and still going forward to book Chris Brown to perform and interview on GMA, so that they cancelled his music performance first, then his being on the GMAs at all and moving just the interview to 20/20.

    I think the theory of having sponsors threatened makes more sense, but also of trying to show people whose boss! Which fine, but dude, Adam Lambert is sooo not up to the level of Disney/ABC. Talk about going after the (convenient) little guy to give a potential lesson to others. It all seems out of proportion to what’s going on at this point and just sloppy.

    ABC/Disney is confusing me with how they’ve dealt with this. It’s just as amateurish and stupid as Adam’s AMA performance, though with (one presumes) less crotch nuzzling.

  81. Adam may be discovering now that the Out guy is correct. You can’t just go out as a gay man and be yourself,

    hmmm, What Adam did was not about gay rights or being gay. You probably couldn’t show a woman crawling on her hands and knees with her mouth open to a man’s crotch. It would still be considered obscene to many people.

  82. Adam’s tweets are just plain weak. So much for not apologizing. Have fun knuckling under, dude.

    In the wake of these tweets it’s hard to tell who is more lame, Adam or ABC.

  83. ABC/Disney is confusing me with how they’ve dealt with this. It’s just as amateurish and stupid as Adam’s AMA performance, though with (one presumes) less crotch nuzzling.

    Mice probably nuzzle in the rear instead.

  84. So, my guess is that this is just an oral fixation for them. Okay to simulate intercourse on our network ‘“ but no simulated blow jobs, thank you very much. LOL.

    I watched GH, an ABC soap, a fews years ago (there was an actor I liked on it) and they had DWTS’s Kelly Monaco’s character involved in what was pretty clearly a bj, so no, I don’t think that’s it.

  85. hmmm, What Adam did was not about gay rights or being gay. You probably couldn’t show a woman crawling on her hands and knees with her mouth open to a man’s crotch. It would still be considered obscene to many people.

    Because simulating oral sex — on a music show — is somehow much more ethically questionable than simulating vaginal or rear-entry sex or masturbation (of either part), which they do all the time?

    Because simulating oral sex on a music show is much more ethically questionable than simulating it on dramas, including ones that are shown in the daytime?

    Sorry. I just don’t see the diff.

  86. “ABC/Disney is confusing me with how they’ve dealt with this. It’s just as amateurish and stupid as Adam’s AMA performance, though with (one presumes) less crotch nuzzling.

    oh – that is soo funny – i can now go about my business today with a smile on my face – thank you

  87. Also the so called follow script thing is a slippery sloop for ABC if they decide to actually go along with it. I like to see the language used. Will it say any performance not exactly as it is in the rehearsal will be sanctioned or will they say with in reason, Which begs what is within reason. How many artist have explicit language in their lyrics and are asked to sing a toned down version but on the live broadcast still sing the explicit language words. Now they have the option of beeping it out so maybe to them that is not really a objectionable offense. (even though you can read their artist lips and know exactly what they are saying) Or will they sanction someone who puts in a vocal run that was not part of the rehearsals. I think they will just put in what they really mean. No explicit Homosexual acts. Including Kissing of two men. Unless it involves two women.

  88. Adam’s tweets are just plain weak. So much for not apologizing. Have fun knuckling under, dude.

    In the wake of these tweets it’s hard to tell who is more lame, Adam or ABC.

    Now that you added that…I kinda agree. Adam seemed to be very contrite and not in-your-face-screw-u-ABC. He seemed more like “oh dear”.

  89. I’m one who thinks Adam shouldn’t have to apologize and I’m glad he hasn’t.

  90. Or will they sanction someone who puts in a vocal run that was not part of the rehearsals. I think they will just put in what they really mean. No explicit Homosexual acts. Including Kissing of two men. Unless it involves two women.

    I’d say that’s about it.

    Love the part about the vocal runs … And, come to think of it, they may want to be advising Adam to leave out some of those screamy vocals, lol.

  91. They also said they get more complaints from DWTS.

    It could be the type of acts or performances that is the difference. Accidentally showing a little more cleavage on a dress is different than live simulated sex acts on tv if that is what is mentioned in the complaints.

    Nope. The most complaints DWTS ever had wasn’t from “a little cleavage”, but from the simulated skull fuck that was shown while chillrun could have been watching.

  92. OH yea, my kids make sure they are up at 7am every day to watch GMA instead of Disney channel!!!!!!!!

  93. Disney trying to call the shots on artists interpretation of a song is like Walmart telling Green Day that they had to alter their lyrics in order for their album to be sold at Wally-World and of course, G.D. told them they could shove it where the sun don’t shine! Sure didn’t hurt the sale of their ablum much and as I recall they won an award on AMA’s!

    Instant fame doesn’t come with a how-to-do-book and I think Adam is quickly learning how to swim in the tsunami wave of fame that has struck him!
    So let’s give him a break and move on to the next step which is getting back to the incredible musical artist he is! Maybe Disney needs to listen to the lyrics of a song before they whack the artist for their theatrical interpetation! Apparently beating the crap out of a woman is Ok but a same sex kiss is tabu, and than only if you are a guy!! What a sad commentary on our society!

  94. The crotch part was only ONE part of the “performance” as I recall.

    The putting his finger in the girl’s crotch area, the flipping the bird, the s/m, the male/male kissing…and also the guy crawling on his hands and knees to perform a bj on Adam.

    It was more than ONE incident.

  95. The putting his finger in the girl’s crotch area, the s/m’ ¦and also the guy crawling on his hands and knees to perform a bj on Adam.

    It was more than ONE incident

    And ALL this was in the original performance! They were okay with the chillrun seeing this?

  96. tinydance
    11/30/2009 at 1:55 pm

    The crotch part was only ONE part of the ‘performance’  as I recall.

    The putting his finger in the girl’s crotch area, the flipping the bird, the s/m’ ¦and also the guy crawling on his hands and knees to perform a bj on Adam.

    It was more than ONE incident.

    Yet none of the things you just mentioned where cut out of the West coast feed. The only thing that was viewed as inappropriate or was brought up as issue was the face to crotch move and the kiss. (though some people say it was in some say it wasn’t in the feeds to the west. Guess it depended on the area). Now you may view all this things as crude but obviously the ABC sensors did not. By the way the finger was never shown anywhere. That is just like the Emenim cursing that was beeped out. It was part of the performance but no one except the news media and the audience saw it.

  97. I watched GH, an ABC soap, a fews years ago (there was an actor I liked on it) and they had DWTS’s Kelly Monaco’s character involved in what was pretty clearly a bj, so no, I don’t think that’s it.

    Oh, lol, I had no idea. I haven’t watched any soaps since high school, so I wasn’t aware they had progressed in that direction :)

    I think Adam’s probably had a tough week, and he should really just move on from the situation. Nothing really left for him to say at this point. If his performance results in live tv policy changes for the network, he should just do what other entertainers in similar situations have done: wear it like a bad-ass badge of honor.

  98. Adam’s tweets are just plain weak. So much for not apologizing. Have fun knuckling under, dude.

    I don’t see it as weak, and I don’t see where he’s apologizing. He’s mentioned in interviews that he doesn’t want to be pinned down as only the “nasty” type of performer. He’s always done a variety of performance styles, and I think he’s just making it clear that the AMA performance isn’t all that he’s about.

  99. Just as a reminder: 1,500 complaints is a very small number compared to the total of ABC viewers.

  100. I watched a Law & Order episode where a brother was forcibly raping his younger brother in bed (nothing was shown just 2 bare chests and they were in bed with a sheet covering them) and to me that is more revolting than a simulated sex act. People need to decide wtf is inappropriate for tv or not.

  101. Adam’s tweets are just plain weak. So much for not apologizing. Have fun knuckling under, dude.

    In the wake of these tweets it’s hard to tell who is more lame, Adam or ABC.

    If you watched Adam’s post AMA interveiws, and followed his twitter, you would see it as a way to connect to his many supporters/fans including this one, and let them know that he is and will be ok, and to thank them for expressing their love and support,that he gets nonstop and not “knuckling under”.

  102. Finally I would like to point out that in the middle of those tweets Adam made sure to address that Kris and Allison Albums and videos are out and for everyone to go get them. Wow what a self centered bastard with all that he is dealing with this week (some of his own doing I admit) he still has time to give props to his buddies. Scandalous.

  103. I think Adam’s tweets may be a result of some sort of discussion with his managers. They may not have told him what to do, but they probably told him how it is.

    I am saddened and think it has dampened his spirit a bit, even if only for a spell.

  104. Natasha
    11/30/2009 at 1:50 pm

    Adam’s tweets are just plain weak. So much for not apologizing. Have fun knuckling under, dude.

    In the wake of these tweets it’s hard to tell who is more lame, Adam or ABC.
    ****

    Yeah, Adam should have tweeted that after the AMAs. Maybe he could have stopped this from snowballing — and looked the better for it. Oh well. As he said, he’s still learning.

    Not wise to mess with business units that roll up to Walt Disney Corporation. Disney lawyers can cause a lot of pain.

  105. “They also said they get more complaints from DWTS.

    It could be the type of acts or performances that is the difference. Accidentally showing a little more cleavage on a dress is different than live simulated sex acts on tv if that is what is mentioned in the complaints.”

    Ummmm….I watched DWTS and a little cleavage is not the problem. I saw the performance of Derek and ?(can’t remember her name) and it was way beyond suggestive!!!!! The hosts even commented and looked a tad nervous after that. And that show is on at 7 here……..kids love it too…….so I can see a worried parent calling that show! I wasn’t real comfortable with Adam’s performance but will agree that ABC is not leveling here. There is def another agenda…………I just wish this would go away already!

  106. Yeah I agree it’s all perception. How is Adam’s tweets apologizing?

    There is no way Adam is sorry for anything.

    It’s a total apology and even Rolling Stone is interpreting it that way. He just lost any cred that he had and he sounds like a complete hypocrite. Can you imagine Madonna saying she was “going in a different direction” after any controversy she was involved in? Please.

  107. Not wise to mess with business units that roll up to Walt Disney Corporation. Disney lawyers can cause a lot of pain.

    Yeah that mouse is really a RAT. Not so family friendly all the time. :mrgreen:

  108. I guess I have a really hard time understanding why it is such a big deal what Adam did. I mean the whole show was full of what I would consider adult content. There is more sexual ref. on General Hospital, OLTL, AMC, Lost, Grey’s, Desperate Housewifes, and those are just ABC shows. Of which all of them come on during the day or during what is considered family hour. If that type of a performance offends someone then why would that person be watching that show anyway. I am just blow away that it is still being talked about a week later. You would think Adam killed puppies on stage or something. Oh well at least pple are still talking about him. CAN’T WAIT FOR ELLEN TOMORROW !!!!

  109. Reminder:

    Reprimanding the “haters” or putting words in poster’s mouths will earn you a spot in moderation.

    Calm the eff down.

  110. I am saddened and think it has dampened his spirit a bit, even if only for a spell.

    Well, that’s the rough ride that is big-time show business. He’ll rally. Quite soon, I expect! Might as well get your first experience of the difficulties out of the way right out of the box, then you have fewer illusions going forward and are less likely to be blindsided. He seems to be a person with lots of personal support and, I ‘m sure, lots of professional support, too.

  111. I think many of you miss what Disney is looking at. Because of a number of slips, verbal and visual, in the past; the FCC has put more stringent rules in place for live events. Award shows in particular, are now regularly on a delay to allow the broadcasting network to follow the rules. While this works pretty well for acceptance speeches, it sometimes can be complete fail for performances. Remember the 2-3 seconds of dead-air during the AI finale when the Black Eyed Peas performed? If the performers want to do these types of performances, they will just have to get their labels to pay up to put the award shows on cable; where the rules aren’t as strict, but the level of commercial sponsorship won’t cover the show costs.

  112. Yeah, Adam should have tweeted that after the AMAs. Maybe he could have stopped this from snowballing ‘” and looked the better for it. Oh well. As he said, he’s still learning.

    To me, this became a big thing because ABC cancelled the GMA performance. If they wouldn’t have, there wouldn’t have been this snowball. I think maybe they wanted to make a statement by cancelling Adam and I don’t think they foresaw really how big of a snowball it would become.

    A little suprised by this latest thing because it was not THAT big of a deal. I guess Adam hit a nerve…

  113. Now that you added that’ ¦I kinda agree. Adam seemed to be very contrite and not in-your-face-screw-u-ABC. He seemed more like ‘oh dear’ .

    Sounds like there was a meeting or two over the weekend in LA. Yes, indeed, he is being punished, thus the contrite tweets. We can argue until the cows come home about the double standard. None of this is relevant.

    If Adam is considered unreliable and unpredictable, going off script and possibly exposing the networks to $500,000 fines or more and nuisance lawsuits which although unfounded also cost money, they will think several times before booking him. ABC has a few top rated shows that previously would have welcomed Adam, among them The View – they all loved him – even EH – until he shoved that dancer’s face into his crotch, among other things, but that being the worst. Very bad move for a newcomer to so rock the boat in this very gross way. I hope he is not blackballed.

    Adam indicated he would perform one way and went on stage and performed in another controversial unscripted manner. Many inside and outside the biz think he actually planned to do this. Which, if true, means he deceived ABC. Not good.

    I dearly love Adam and want this put in the past as soon as possible. Future TV bookings on ABC and other networks, private parties, etc. will indicate how badly he has been hurt by this. For his sake, I hope not much.

  114. I don’t see how people can get “apology” from a series of tweets that flat out says “I’m still gonna be me. Always. W/o appologies.” WITHOUT APOLOGIES.

    *sigh*

  115. Who cares about that? This isn’t about Adam or American Idol, anymore. I doubt any self-respecting artist is going to allow ABC to preview their performance and tell them what they can and can’t keep in when it comes to live appearances.

    Actually, ABC and every other network has every right to preview live performances and tell the artist to remove anything they find objectionable. They currently do it. As a matter of fact, reason they were upset about Adam’s performance was because he deviated from his rehearsal set.

  116. OH yea, my kids make sure they are up at 7am every day to watch GMA instead of Disney channel!!!!!!!!

    Exactly and LOL. My son is a Nick Junior & PBS/Sesame Street fan anyway. What I think is that ABC could not think of a better ‘excuse’, period.

  117. It’s a total apology and even Rolling Stone is interpreting it that way. He just lost any cred that he had and he sounds like a complete hypocrite. Can you imagine Madonna saying she was ‘going in a different direction’  after any controversy she was involved in? Please.

    Your opinion and though I appreciate it I have to totally disagree. I don’t see it you way at all. But thanks for putting Adam in the same league as Madonna usually fans of his get reamed for doing so. Nice to see that non fans do the same. ;-)

  118. I don’t see it as weak, and I don’t see where he’s apologizing. He’s mentioned in interviews that he doesn’t want to be pinned down as only the ‘nasty’  type of performer. He’s always done a variety of performance styles, and I think he’s just making it clear that the AMA performance isn’t all that he’s about.

    This is exactly the way I see it. No apology at all.

    Plus, I almost get the sense he’s trying to calm and reassure his fans that everything’s going to be okay. With the advent of twitter, it’s like an instantaneous direct line to the guy if he chooses to check his messages. I think Adam’s fans tend to be very supportive as well as passionately protective of their guy (with good reason). And with all the negative stuff being thrown around in the press, I can’t imagine how many frantic tweets he’s received from fans since his performance and the GMA cancellation. I think he’s just trying to sooth the anxiety out there …

    We can’t all be as calm and centered as Adam … :)

  119. If that type of a performance offends someone then why would that person be watching that show anyway. I am just blow away that it is still being talked about a week later. You would think Adam killed puppies on stage or something. Oh well at least pple are still talking about him.

    Well, you know, I think it might have something to do with — tadaa! — Homophobia!

    Seriously, Disney has been fighting off a lot of conservative Christian activists for years and years over what some have perceived as its too gay-friendly stance. Just last month they got a bunch of new flak for appointing “Hollywood’s first openly gay studio chief.”

    http://www.christocentric.com/main/2009/10/10/hollywoods-first-openly-gay-studio-chief-disneys-rich-ross/

    And some of those folks may well have seized on this event as the publicly visible scandal they were waiting for to force the Mouse to heel on this issue. And in this case, they can focus the pressure outside themselves, onto a non-Disney person, Adam, and onto those live awards shows that feature lots of non-Disney performers alongside Disney ones. Make a big to-do about how they’re going to change things, and maybe win a bit of reprieve from whatever big sponsor with a Christian-conservative board of directors threatened to pull all their ads over Mickey’s pro-gay moves, such as the studio director appointment and the Gay Days at the theme parks that activists have been railing about for many many years.

  120. WITHOUT APOLOGIES
    just pointing out a relevant bit of the tweet to those who may have missed it

  121. I think Adam’s tweets may be a result of some sort of discussion with his managers. They may not have told him what to do, but they probably told him how it is.

    I am saddened and think it has dampened his spirit a bit, even if only for a spell

    Actually, sidewalkstory, while there is a poignancy to someone being strong enough and secure enough to admit he doesn’t know everything and that having 10,000 volleys in a media firestorm can be impactful your first time launching an album, there is nothing to be sad about. There’s certainly an, aww, what a guy factor. But it takes a rare, rock solid self awareness and assurance to first be so articulate all week in interviews. And then be so open in these tweets. (While, as dhunken, noted still plugging your friends.)

    Adam is a consummate, gifted performer. You know he reviewed that AMA tape many times, watching himself sing poorly, wincing, beating himself up for the performance aspects that didn’t meet his own expectations. He says in these impressive tweets he’s still going to be himself. Does that mean WLL mic stand self? Bowie medley dancing self? Now there are some tame and reigned in moments, aren’t they?

    Focus on the music, to me, meant two things: 1) He recognized what he left out of the AMA’s – his unparalled ability to command and connect with the audience. He wasn’t using that. He was caught up in over complicted choreography which would prevent that because of his love of performance art. And wanting to create a “moment”. He forgot that his singing and connecting are a “moment” by themselves. Doesn’t mean he’s not going to be wild and wonderful. And 2) He really wants to figure out how to not be a political lightening rod.

  122. Just put two posters in moderation. NO second chances today.

    Not me I hope :)

    Well Adam seems bothered. So maybe management talked to him about the situation. That could be what his tweets were about today?

  123. I don’t see how people can get ‘apology’  from a series of tweets that flat out says ‘I’m still gonna be me. Always. W/o appologies.’  WITHOUT APOLOGIES.

    *sigh*

    That, too. For the sake of his career, a little contrition wouldn’t hurt. JMO.

  124. Adam didn’t apologize nor should he! He kissed a man and the dancing was racy…so what. It was 11pm.
    Maybe ABC should stop airing commercials for ED (erectile dysfunction)since they are so concerned about what the children see at 8:30am!

  125. Focus on the music, to me, meant two things: 1) He recognized what he left out of the AMA’s ‘“ his unparalleled ability to command and connect with the audience. He wasn’t using that. He was caught up in over complicated choreography which would prevent that because of his love of performance art. And wanting to create a ‘moment’ . He forgot that his singing and connecting are a ‘moment’  by themselves. Doesn’t mean he’s not going to be wild and wonderful. And 2) He really wants to figure out how to not be a political lightening rod.

    I agree 100% but you said it better then I could.

  126. btw, anybody knows what insurance policy is Adam talking about?

    ps just heard wwfm on z100, tearing up here…

  127. WITHOUT APOLOGIES
    just pointing out a relevant bit of the tweet to those who may have missed it

    “I’m going in another direction and I’ll never do that again”. No apology there. Riiiiight. Hypocrisy, thy name is Adam Lambert.

  128. *

    btw, anybody knows what insurance policy is Adam talking about?

    Some satire site put up a piece about Lloyds of London insuring his crotch for a million dollars…..

    Folks have posted links to it in the headline thread and one other thread, too, I think.

  129. Beautiful post, FHS. I agree with every word.

    btw, anybody knows what insurance policy is Adam talking about?

    It’s posted in the comments to the headlines thread.

  130. Hollywood’s first openly gay studio chief ‘“ Disney’s Rich Ross

    That article was disgusting! How condescending! She’s gonna wait and see. Like Disney is going to change the Disney channel to LOGO.

  131. Hollywood’s first openly gay studio chief ‘“ Disney’s Rich Ross

    That article was disgusting! How condescending! She’s gonna wait and see. Like Disney is going to change the Disney channel to LOGO.

    Yep. But that’s a kind of opposition Disney’s faced for years and years now. So it doesn’t surprise me that somebody was able to push them into this freakout over Adam’s performance. There are plenty of folks out there just waiting for them to do something that moves from “suspiciously pro-gay” into “actively harming our children with the gayness.” …. Something tells me that they were told Adam was it. Hence all the repeated talk about “the children” (who watch morning news shows, lol).

  132. ‘I’m going in another direction and I’ll never do that again’ . No apology there. Riiiiight. Hypocrisy, thy name is Adam Lambert.

    By not going in that direction again I don’t see how that is an apology? He never said that it was a mistake to do it. He did it….was not received so well….. so now he will try something different. It is sort of like knowing the quickest route to a destination and when you take that route there is a huge pot hole that you hit and gives you a flat tire. Now it is still the quickest route it is just not the smartest route to take next time.

  133. Sounds like the ABC thing is a CYA to me, since they looked like fools all of last week.

    I’m not reading any sort of contrition in Adam’s tweets. I’m sure he’s sick of talking about the AMAs and very properly wants to put the focus back on the music. He recognizes it’s time to move on, too bad the media can’t quite bring themselves to let it go yet.

  134. I think Ad*m realized he went a step too far. It was a cumulative thing. It’s been said these things didn’t happen in rehearsal, if so that’s totally unprofessional and I can understand and fully support the network cancelling his appearance on GMA.

    He tried to justify it based on Madonna/Britney and other things which happened live over on cable’s MTV, not live on a major broadcast network. He also tried to shame the network into running his performance unedited on the West Coast by invoking claims of “discrimination” when asked about it.

    He made serious blunders that, really, someone with his entertainment industry experience should not be making. I’ve little doubt the label and management were not pleased with the continuing spiral post AMA.

    It seems like the single FYE is roadkill. Has it been scuttled? What happened to the video for it? It is getting airplay?

    I know Bonnie “had” to ask Kris about it in her show’s interview but I wish when Kris is interviewed, it focused on him and not the runner-up. It happened after the show and it’s happening right now while Kris is trying to promote his own debut album.

  135. Adam’s going to do fine, but it irks me that the new guy is taking the most heat, when other performers were every bit as out there that night.

    Mainly, what I hope he takes away is this: relax, be cool, and less is more. My disappointment was in the mania and lack of humor, not the content

  136. I wouldn’t bother setting those DVRs to see Adam on New Year’s Rocking Eve’ ¦No way that’s going to happen now.

    I didn’t think it was gonna happen anyway, at least not live which means he wouldn’t actually be in Times Square so would kind of suck.

  137. ‘I’m going in another direction and I’ll never do that again’ .

    He never said this. When something is put in quotes, it should be an EXACT duplicate of the words used.

    Moreover, this is not even a fair paraphrasing of what he said.

  138. @natasha I quoted accurately, you did not so not sure what your point is.
    Adam has not apologised and does not need to apologise for his artistic choices. He reached out to his fans in those tweets to let them know he appreciates their support through what has been a hard week. As a fan I could not be prouder of how hes conducted himself and have full faith that he will continue to maintain his artistic integrity in the future as well.

  139. Remember the 2-3 seconds of dead-air during the AI finale when the Black Eyed Peas performed?

    Oh yeah…I forgot about that. What about the chillrun in the live audience?

    Maybe ABC can hire AI’s edit button person. They were pretty quick.

    Of course ABC also missed Green Day singing the words shit and fuck on their morning show. Perhaps their 8 second delay doesn’t work or their edit person is on drugs or asleep. I’d be demanding a drug test if I were them.

  140. IMHO the AMA show shouldn’t be on network TV to begin with, from start to finish it reeks CABLE!

  141. Adam “seriously blundered” his way to 215k-230k in sales. Oh boy!!

  142. ‘ ¢”This above all: to thine own self be true,
    And it must follow, as the night the day,
    Thou canst not then be false to any man.”
    – William Shakespeare, Hamlet, 1.3

  143. I think Ad*m realized he went a step too far. It was a cumulative thing. It’s been said these things didn’t happen in rehearsal, if so that’s totally unprofessional and I can understand and fully support the network cancelling his appearance on GMA.

    I got one questions do you think that Eminem’s cursing and rapping about rape as a badge on honor was part of rehearsal and ABC was ok with it. I have a feeling they did not expect him to be so explicit either. I also don’t understand how that it is ok to rap about raping women as something to be proud of and no one gets bothered. I guess simulated gay sex imagery is more disgusting then the raping of women. Wow is our society screwed up.

  144. “Now that you added that’ ¦I kinda agree. Adam seemed to be very contrite and not in-your-face-screw-u-ABC. He seemed more like ‘oh dear’ .

    Sounds like there was a meeting or two over the weekend in LA. Yes, indeed, he is being punished, thus the contrite tweets. We can argue until the cows come home about the double standard. None of this is relevant.

    If Adam is considered unreliable and unpredictable, going off script and possibly exposing the networks to $500,000 fines or more and nuisance lawsuits which although unfounded also cost money, they will think several times before booking him. ABC has a few top rated shows that previously would have welcomed Adam, among them The View ‘“ they all loved him ‘“ even EH ‘“ until he shoved that dancer’s face into his crotch, among other things, but that being the worst. Very bad move for a newcomer to so rock the boat in this very gross way. I hope he is not blackballed.

    Adam indicated he would perform one way and went on stage and performed in another controversial unscripted manner. Many inside and outside the biz think he actually planned to do this. Which, if true, means he deceived ABC. Not good.

    I dearly love Adam and want this put in the past as soon as possible. Future TV bookings on ABC and other networks, private parties, etc. will indicate how badly he has been hurt by this. For his sake, I hope not much.

  145. It’s always to put the heat on the new guy instead of an established artist.

  146. dhunken…my thoughts exactly on Eminem’s performance and lyrics!

  147. I personally think the networks need to look at what they put on in early evenings and prime time. My husband and I were just discussing this after watching part of Old Christine, the other night. She was talking about trying to get someone to have sex with her and talking about people paying to have sex. Every night you see people being killed, kidnapped, raped and torchered and then being cut up in autopsies. With all this and the sex in soap operas people get so bent out of shape by a Ott live performance on late night tv of a song with very risque lyrics that was being advertisedas jaw dropping. I think the parties involved may have some grounds but I still think Adam being gay was the deal breaker. Being overly sexual is okay for a woman performer, but not for a guy, especially a proud gay one. . Being from the older generation, I had to post my viewpoint and also not all grandmothers like SuBo, give me Adam any day.

  148. I got one questions do you think that Eminem’s cursing and rapping about rape as a badge on honor was part of rehearsal and ABC was ok with it.

    Yes, but while Disney has faced some Christian-right protest over their standards generally being too liberal, that has been relatively minor compared to the huge amount of flak they’ve taken over the years on the “gay friendly” rap. …. That’s the one that’s *really* been the basis for boycott calls and the like …

    So it’s really not surprising that they focus now on Adam rather than on these other people. (I’m not saying it’s *acceptable,* mind you, just comprehensible in the light of their history that this is where the pressure has been applied on Disney most fiercely by somebody. And, thus, where Disney has decided to make a statement about cracking down.

  149. I know Bonnie ‘had’  to ask Kris about it in her show’s interview but I wish when Kris is interviewed, it focused on him and not the runner-up. It happened after the show and it’s happening right now while Kris is trying to promote his own debut album.

    Well, Adam is trying to keep the focus on Kris’s album debut. Do you happen to catch the supportive tweet he sent out today to his quarter of a million twitter followers?

    Here it is:

    Oh and please go get both Allison iraheta’s and Kris Allen’s videos and albums on iTunes! So proud of you both!

  150. I also don’t understand how that it is ok to rap about raping women as something to be proud of and no one gets bothered. I guess simulated gay sex imagery is more disgusting then the raping of women. Wow is our society screwed up.

    Exactly!
    Violence against women= okay for the chillrun
    Simulated sex act= okay for the chillrun
    “Gay” simulated sex act= protect the chillrun

  151. btw, anybody knows what insurance policy is Adam talking about?

    Some satire site put up a piece about Lloyds of London insuring his crotch for a million dollars’ ¦..

    thanks, Lucy, I knew I could count on you :)
    his ,um, glambulge?! LOL

  152. Very bad move for a newcomer to so rock the boat in this very gross way. I hope he is not blackballed.

    I don’t see anything that Adam did on the AMAs as being gross, or kinky, or sexually innappropriate, or moralistically wrong, or being too much for adults to handle. Yes, I thought the performance was frenetic, and rushed, and covered too much territory and that his voice wasn’t at it’s best…but as far as content I thought it was pretty representative of all the other stuff I see on Network drama/crime shows night after night. Nothing new, nothing different.

    So, for Adam being blackballed for presenting a bit of “life” that goes on everyday in many households (and bondage is as much a hetero sexual pleasure as a gay one) would seem pretty far fetched.

    There has to be a financial reason (and I don’t mean fines because their is absolute NOTHING finable in Adam’s performance) that ABC/Disney took the low road….and the best bet is some big wig advertiser with lots of clout decided his wife or mistress as the case may be was a little bit “skeered” by the performance and he wanted to let the network know his displeasure.

  153. and the best bet is some big wig advertiser with lots of clout decided his wife or mistress as the case may be was a little bit ‘skeered’  by the performance and he wanted to let the network know his displeasure.

    and by “skeered” do you mean seriously turned on to the point of pissing off her fat bastard executive husband/boyfriend lol

  154. jericho
    11/30/2009 at 3:12 pm

    Thank you….you said it much better than I was even thinking it!!

  155. There has to be a financial reason (and I don’t mean fines because their is absolute NOTHING finable in Adam’s performance) that ABC/Disney took the low road’ ¦.and the best bet is some big wig advertiser with lots of clout decided his wife or mistress as the case may be was a little bit ‘skeered’  by the performance and he wanted to let the network know his displeasure.

    I think it’s probably one big advertiser, but my bet is that it’s an advertiser connected to the anti-gay Christian activists who’ve bugged Disney for years ….

    His was hardly the only performance they’ve had over the years that’s had some kind of BDSM-y theme. Those have pretty much gone mainstream in recent years, as far as I can see, at least with the clothes and accoutrement and such. But it is the only male-on-male gay-themed one.

  156. I think ABC made the right decision. Anyone who would compare what Adam did in his performance to ANYTHING done by any of the other performers is CRAZY! He definately went too far! I am a fan of Adam’s & am not the least bit prude, but even I can admit that. Had he been at the VMA’s instead of the AMA’s it probably would have been fine. But for a Live Primetime NETWORK TV show, it was completely inappropriate. Like it or not, there were kids watching. This would include my 11 1/2 y/o daughter.

    Oh, and just a little FYI to all of you people using the “it was almost 11:00 at night and anybody whose kids were up that late watching the AMA’s is a bad parent” argument, I’ve got some bad news for you. I, along with many other people in America, live in the Central Time-Zone. As such, it was on an hour earlier here. That means that Adam’s performance was on at 9:50 here. In addition, my kids school doesn’t start until 9:10 in the morning. So, that’s 11 hours and 10 minutes from the end of the AMA’s until the start of school. Plenty of time to get a good nights sleep. So, perhaps not ALL of us are “bad parents”.

    As for kids watching the news in the mornings, yes, probably alot of them are already at school. And probably most of the ones that are still at home would rather be watching something besides the news. However, just because that makes a very nice argument for your cause, like I demonstrated above, there are exceptions to the rules. For example, I like to watch the news in the mornings in my bedroom while I am getting ready. And very often, my kids will come into my room and hangout while they wait for me to get ready to take them to school (speaking of which, if you are still at home by the time a musical guest performs on GMA, why on earth aren’t you driving your kids to school instead of putting them on a school bus? Obviously you watch the news because you know what time the musical guests come on. So you must be aware of what can happen to kids who ride the bus. I would NEVER put my kids on a bus I’m just sayin’! Perhaps you shouldn’t be so hasty to judge others)

  157. I think ABC made the right decision. Anyone who would compare what Adam did in his performance to ANYTHING done by any of the other performers is CRAZY! He definately went too far! I am a fan of Adam’s & am not the least bit prude, but even I can admit that. Had he been at the VMA’s instead of the AMA’s it probably would have been fine. But for a Live Primetime NETWORK TV show, it was completely inappropriate. Like it or not, there were kids watching. This would include my 11 1/2 y/o daughter.

    Oh, and just a little FYI to all of you people using the “it was almost 11:00 at night and anybody whose kids were up that late watching the AMA’s is a bad parent” argument, I’ve got some bad news for you. I, along with many other people in America, live in the Central Time-Zone. As such, it was on an hour earlier here. That means that Adam’s performance was on at 9:50 here. In addition, my kids school doesn’t start until 9:10 in the morning. So, that’s 11 hours and 10 minutes from the end of the AMA’s until the start of school. Plenty of time to get a good nights sleep. So, perhaps not ALL of us are “bad parents”.

    As for kids watching the news in the mornings, yes, probably alot of them are already at school. And probably most of the ones that are still at home would rather be watching something besides the news. However, just because that makes a very nice argument for your cause, like I demonstrated above, there are exceptions to the rules. For example, I like to watch the news in the mornings in my bedroom while I am getting ready. And very often, my kids will come into my room and hangout while they wait for me to get ready to take them to school (speaking of which, if you are still at home by the time a musical guest performs on GMA, why on earth aren’t you driving your kids to school instead of putting them on a school bus? Obviously you watch the news because you know what time the musical guests come on. So you must be aware of what can happen to kids who ride the bus. I would NEVER put my kids on a bus I’m just sayin’! Perhaps you shouldn’t be so hasty to judge others)

  158. So you must be aware of what can happen to kids who ride the bus.

    Everyone I know rides a school bus to school….so please tell me what happens so I can relay that to them. I’m pretty concerned right now!

  159. why on earth aren’t you driving your kids to school instead of putting them on a school bus? Obviously you watch the news because you know what time the musical guests come on. So you must be aware of what can happen to kids who ride the bus. I would NEVER put my kids on a bus I’m just sayin’! Perhaps you shouldn’t be so hasty to judge others)

    Because saying parents who “put there children on school buses” are bad parents isnt judging?

  160. acmomof3
    11/30/2009 at 3:19 pm

    I think ABC made the right decision. Anyone who would compare what Adam did in his performance to ANYTHING done by any of the other performers is CRAZY! He definately went too far! I am a fan of Adam’s & am not the least bit prude, but even I can admit that. Had he been at the VMA’s instead of the AMA’s it probably would have been fine. But for a Live Primetime NETWORK TV show, it was completely inappropriate. Like it or not, there were kids watching. This would include my 11 1/2 y/o daughter.

    I know you are passionate and therefore did not really mean to call someone like me, who thinks that Adam’s performance was along the lines of other performances on the AMA, CRAZY. Though I may be neurotic I am not psychotic. Again I get that Adam’s performance you feel was inappropriate for you children but how was Emenim appropriate (rapping about raping 17 women and claiming that as a badge of honor) Or Janet garbing her male dancer crotch and rubbing it. Or Rhianna coming out in a bondage wheel and her dancers coming out with guns. Or the violence of Laday Gaga’s performance with bottle smashing in such anger. Of course the biggest obscene travesty was Janet and J-Lo Lip syncing. (ok the last part just trying to lighten up the conversation).

  161. The FCC reviewed the Golden Globes last year after 18 people complained about Mickey Rourke’s Middle Finger gesture for indecency. So the FCC can review anything and everything. Janet Jackson’s wardrobe malfunction can be argued from now until the end of days that it was planned – or not. Whether or not Adam’s antics were indecent no longer matters at this point.

    Disney is choosing to review this performance as it relates to programming on their network, ABC, and probably ESPN. Disney can make any decision Disney wants.

  162. My 12 year old daughter was awake when the AMAs aired and I was watching it but I didn`t let her see them, why? because I know the kind of performances Janet, Shakira, Rihanna and Eminen to name a few, give in awards shows and I don`t consider them appropiate for my child to watch them, I ´m an Adam fan and so is she but I saw the rehearsal video and I knew he was going for a very sexual performance, so I didn`t let her watch it, I don`t find the adult music awards shows in general suited for children audience so I dont let her watch any of them, I guess is a matter of parenting decisions but I don ´t blame the artists for their performances and the consecuences for my children, I blame me for letting them watch something is not suited for them I think for this kind of shows we should know by now that viewers discretion is advised.

  163. The FCC reviewed the Golden Globes last year after 18 people complained about Mickey Rourke’s Middle Finger gesture for indecency. So the FCC can review anything and everything. Janet Jackson’s wardrobe malfunction can be argued from now until the end of days that it was planned ‘“ or not.

    They *can* review anything and everything. However, first off, this is now a Democrat-run FCC, so they will no longer be quite so interested in currying favor with the Christian right by launching investigations.

    And, in this case, there’s the little matter of discrimination based on gender orientation, which ultimately won’t fly in court, no matter how many people in America think it’s okay.

    Given how crammed the AMA show was with sexual content of all kinds, all of it performed at an earlier hour than Adam’s performance, a fine based on his performance would clearly be nothing but an anti-gay fine. And the FCC knows that that’s not legal.

    There’s no way they could rule, objectively, that, gay or straight issues aside, the stuff in his performance was so much worse than dozens of other things that were aired on that show (at an earlier hour, no less) that the fine should pertain only to him. They could get around that only by slapping a ton of fines on the show, for performance after performance. And it’s pretty clear that they won’t do that.

  164. (speaking of which, if you are still at home by the time a musical guest performs on GMA, why on earth aren’t you driving your kids to school instead of putting them on a school bus? Obviously you watch the news because you know what time the musical guests come on. So you must be aware of what can happen to kids who ride the bus. I would NEVER put my kids on a bus I’m just sayin’! Perhaps you shouldn’t be so hasty to judge others)

    Is this serious or meant sarcastically — because I can’t tell anymore

  165. I love putting my kids on the school bus. Maximum speed of the school bus 55mph; maximum speed of parent rushing to school 75mph+.

  166. Is this serious or meant sarcastically ‘” because I can’t tell anymore

    I’m really not sure either. I’m confuzzled.

  167. IdolThoughts. It’s not just the internet bloggers. There were over 10,000 articles and counting written about Adam’s AMA performance

    True…but where do the majority of people read articles and comment on them?

  168. Being that this is Disney thread and Miley Cyrus was brought up, HDD has 37% of sales reported in at this point and right now Adam is at number 5 but really close to GAGA…but that is not what I wanted to say. Number 2 right now is Miley Cyrus. She is over 100k already. She was not even mentioned in any of the predictions by anyone. even if she stayed at the 107k she would be a contender for top 10. She could be the fly in the ointment in Adam getting the #2 spot and not Lady Gaga
    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

  169. and by ‘skeered’  do you mean seriously turned on to the point of pissing off her fat bastard executive husband/boyfriend lol

    ROTFL! Good one! :)

    (speaking of which, if you are still at home by the time a musical guest performs on GMA, why on earth aren’t you driving your kids to school instead of putting them on a school bus?

    Redonkulous! Say what? Do you think the bus drivers are all a bunch of perves? I don’t get it! The yellow school bus is an American as apple pie. My kids either rode the bus or walked, GASP!!! and guess what, they survived! They even survived some questionable videos on MTV. I didn’t like the AMA performance either, but I think all this OTT hysteria is just as objectionable.

  170. dhunken

    If that sales chart is accurate Adam is not going to hit anywhere near 200,000 for the week.

    Am I missing something? Maybe he should have danced on a pole instead of the, you know. :(

  171. She could be the fly in the ointment in Adam getting the #2 spot and not Lady Gaga

    it appears that those are likely all Walmart sales… and maybe for an album that’s a Walmart exclusive? That’s what I understand, anyway. So she’s not likely to go a whole lot higher.

    With Adam not having any exclusives on his Walmart albums, it makes sense that some of his lower sales would be there.

  172. *

    It appears that those are likely all Walmart sales’ ¦ and maybe for an album that’s a Walmart exclusive? That’s what I understand, anyway. So she’s not likely to go a whole lot higher.

    With Adam not having any exclusives on his Walmart albums, it makes sense that some of his lower sales would be there.

    You maybe correct as It is on Itunes but not charting at all and I looked on Amazon and it is #241 so that must be it. But even so 107K from one chain is not too shabby if that is the case

  173. You maybe correct as It is on Itunes but not charting at all and I looked on Amazon and it is #241 so that must be it. But even so 107K from one chain is not too shabby if that is the case

    It is *not* too shabby! Never underestimate the power of a pole-dancing teenager!

  174. No, I honestly was not judging! I was merely trying to make a point! Unfortunately, my laptop submitted my comment before I was finished with it. My point was, look at how stupid it is for me to judge parents who put their kids on a school bus. The truth is, I don’t know you, I don’t know your kids & I don’t know your situation. Maybe where you live that is what everybody does and it is perfectly safe. And just because it is not something that I would do based on my circumstances, I certainly do not think that ALL parents who do are “bad parents”. I was actually just sick and tired of hearing about how any child who was up to see Adam’s performance must have “bad parents” PERIOD. Nobody stopped to consider the fact that in the Central time-zone he was on at 9:50 & some kids don’t actually go to school until 9:10 in the morning. So it might have been perfectly reasonable for them to be awake to see him perform. That’s all!

    As for the what can happen to kids who ride the bus comment, I was really just referring to some of the things that can happen while waiting for the bus in the morning &/or when walking home after school. And I know that 99.9% of kids are perfectly fine.

  175. I think all ABC/disney will accomplish with this move is not being asked to air live musical events in the future.

    Congrats. that’s called cutting your nose off to spite your face.

    I still call BULLSHIT that they didn’t know his performance was going to be racy. HELLO, bondage gear, men on leashes? anyone? anyone? *huge eye roll* over how ridiculous ABC is being.

  176. Oh, and the fact that at least once a week, I hear about a special needs child that gets left on a bus all day or gets dropped off at the wrong place. And since one of my kids is a special needs child, this really hits home.

  177. I think all ABC/disney will accomplish with this move is not being asked to air live musical events in the future.

    Congrats. that’s called cutting your nose off to spite your face.

    I suspect that that’s about the size of it. But I also suspect that they did it under a fairly large financial threat from some advertiser or other. I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t have done it just in response to 1500 or so viewer complaints. …. Money talks, however.

  178. It is *not* too shabby! Never underestimate the power of a pole-dancing teenager!

    ROTHLMAO…..Thanks for the laugh!

  179. and I think ABC forgets that it rated the AMAs at TV14, which if I’m correct is even a higher rating that PG13 which can get pretty damn graphic.

    The self-righteous indigination of ABC and the Adam haters is pretty laughable in the grand scheme of things.

    No children should’ve been watching that show in the first place, especially not following some of the other performances. How many women showed up on stage without their freakin pants on? It was like panty central up there.

    ABC is milking this situation for all it’s worth IMO. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they don’t ask Adam to appear on GMA in the very near future and bill it as a “kiss and make up” situation.

  180. To me it looks like Adam himself has learnt something through this AMA debacle!! In his latest interviews he is saying he is going in a new direction & concentrating on the music – which is as it should be – but he was the one that did the OTT performance – so has to take responsibility for the fallout from it!!
    He obviously has been advised to tone things down for now & maybe save the “OTT” performances for his tour or private shows.

    I laugh about live performances though on ABC- Janet Jackson was anything but live !!
    I would say the sponsors had a big say in all this!!

  181. If that sales chart is accurate Adam is not going to hit anywhere near 200,000 for the week.

    Am I missing something? Maybe he should have danced on a pole instead of the, you know

    See now Tweets or Disney stuff, pffft, this number actually worries me. Though I thought HDD was overestimating in their original numbers. They do that for Idols and given how it was sinking later in the week on iTunes…well. BeckyMD and I said that we’d be happy with a 2-5 placing for Adam and that we thought that his numbers were not going to end up at the high end. Still given his crappy singles sales and Kris’s numbers (which still don’t bother me) I’m okay with them.

    And I agree, he should have just pole danced. Probably wouldn’t have messed up him up as much vocally.

  182. Are live shows in the states not on a 10 second delay? That’s what they do in the UK and if anything impromptu happens, they push the button and it doesn’t go out on air or they move to another camera shot.

    Mind you, they wouldn’t have done that for Adam’s performance. They wouldn’t have batted an eyelid. They didn’t cut when Jarvis Cocker ran on stage during Michael Jackson’s performance at the Brit Awards a few years ago and mooned at the camera and audience. However, they were quick enough to move to another camera shot when Susan Boyle lifted her dress in the final of Britain’s Got Talent so we thankfully were not treated to the full sight of her knickers.

  183. ‘I’m going in another direction and I’ll never do that again’ . No apology there. Riiiiight. Hypocrisy, thy name is Adam Lambert.

    Except that hypocrisy has an entirely different definition. Just making up a definition doesn’t make it true.

    Btw, did you really think he was going to kiss guys and simulate bjs at all subsequent performances?

  184. So, for Adam being blackballed for presenting a bit of ‘life’  that goes on everyday in many households (and bondage is as much a hetero sexual pleasure as a gay one) would seem pretty far fetched.

    The REAL POINT of ABC’s decision is that Adam DEVIATED FROM HIS SCRIPTED REHEARSAL and BLINDSIDED the network. The content of the permance was NOT CLEARED by ABC; although if ABC had known he was going to do this, they would have either told him he couldn’t, or at the very least been prepared to black out the inappropriate material.

    There were plenty of bleeps in the live broadcast I heard for the other performers. We can discuss until the cows come home how unfair, etc., but IF the other performers stayed with their scripts and ABC had cleared their profanity, etc., alerting their sound and camera people to beware, then all the responsibility for the other dreck is on ABC.

    In this case, ABC did NOT know and, for the moment, ABC now feels Adam can’t be trusted. It is not what he did – it is the WAY he did it. Whether it was impulsive or planned (as many people think), Adam ended up in ABC’s eyes as a loose cannon.

    There has to be a financial reason (and I don’t mean fines because their is absolute NOTHING finable in Adam’s performance) that ABC/Disney took the low road’ ¦.and the best bet is some big wig advertiser with lots of clout decided his wife or mistress as the case may be was a little bit ‘skeered’  by the performance and he wanted to let the network know his displeasure.

    How about nuisance lawsuits? Although without foundation, these still cost the network money and irritation. They don’t book newcomers expecting that out of the gate they might be subject to litigation.

    Yes, it could be an irritated advertiser. Much more likely, ABC is playing hardball on this because they are making an of example of Adam – an entertainer who does NOT perform as he tells them he will.

  185. Being that this is Disney thread and Miley Cyrus was brought up, HDD has 37% of sales reported in at this point and right now Adam is at number 5 but really close to GAGA’ ¦but that is not what I wanted to say. Number 2 right now is Miley Cyrus. She is over 100k already. She was not even mentioned in any of the predictions by anyone. even if she stayed at the 107k she would be a contender for top 10. She could be the fly in the ointment in Adam getting the #2 spot and not Lady Gaga
    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

    The numbers on the HDD site are the Nielsen SoundScan Building Chart — it show sales from 8 retailers. 37.7% of locations have reported, mostly Walmart. The Miley Album is only available at Walmart.

    The Building Chart is about 80% of sales, not all sales. It includes Walmart, Target. BestBuy, iTunes, Anderson, Starbucks and Borders plus some jobbers who stock Walmart music departments.

    It won’t mean much until the iTunes numbers get added — 1 location, 25%+ of sales — that will be tomorrow. Gaga should have big numbers from iTunes.

    Finally, Amazon, B&N, Play, Sony Music Store, CDUniverse and many small retailers are not in the building sales chart.

  186. acmomof3
    11/30/2009 at 4:41 pm
    Oh, and the fact that at least once a week, I hear about a special needs child that gets left on a bus all day or gets dropped off at the wrong place. And since one of my kids is a special needs child, this really hits home.

    I understand and realize you “are not judging”. Everything is a matter of perspective. For instance, my son is also an SDC student and he and his friends have ridden a yellow bus every school day for the last six years without incident.

    Good parent, bad parent . No point in throwing stones. I realize you are not trying to point fingers and the reason for your frustration with the AMA show is clear. I think it is all a matter of perspective and personal choice.

    My eldest, is fifteen. While she is obviously old enough to see a PG-14 awards show, she is not old enough to see a Rated R film without me or an adult of whom I approve –and she has seen rated R movies in the past. It was my choice to let her do so. I’m okay with that decision. I still think of myself as a good parent, even though others may feel my decision less than wise. I’m okay with that, too.

  187. ‘I’m going in another direction and I’ll never do that again’ . No apology there. Riiiiight. Hypocrisy, thy name is Adam Lambert.

    Except that hypocrisy has an entirely different definition. Just making up a definition doesn’t make it true.

    Btw, did you really think he was going to kiss guys and simulate bjs at all subsequent performances?

    I think some people do or at the very least hope he was.

    I agree in that some major sponsor is the catalyst for all of this but it is never a bad thing for any corporation to review it’s policies on anything.

  188. So, for Adam being blackballed for presenting a bit of ‘life’  that goes on everyday in many households (and bondage is as much a hetero sexual pleasure as a gay one) would seem pretty far fetched.

    The REAL POINT of ABC’s decision is that Adam DEVIATED FROM HIS SCRIPTED REHEARSAL and BLINDSIDED the network. The content of the performance was NOT CLEARED by ABC. If ABC had known he was going to do this, they would have either told him he couldn’t, or at the very least been prepared to black out the inappropriate material.

    There were plenty of bleeps in the live broadcast I heard for the other performers. We can discuss until the cows come home how unfair, etc., but IF the other performers stayed with their scripts and ABC had cleared their profanity, etc., alerting their sound and camera people to beware, then all the responsibility for the other dreck is on ABC.

    In this case, ABC did NOT know and, for the moment, ABC now feels Adam can’t be trusted. It is not what he did – it is the WAY he did it. Whether it was impulsive or planned (as many people think), Adam ended up in ABC’s eyes as a loose cannon.

    There has to be a financial reason (and I don’t mean fines because their is absolute NOTHING finable in Adam’s performance) that ABC/Disney took the low road’ ¦.and the best bet is some big wig advertiser with lots of clout decided his wife or mistress as the case may be was a little bit ‘skeered’  by the performance and he wanted to let the network know his displeasure.

    How about nuisance lawsuits? Although without foundation, these still cost the network money and irritation. They don’t book newcomers expect that out of the gate they might be subject to litigation.

    Yes, it could be an irritated advertiser. Much more likely, ABC is playing hardball on this because they are making of example of Adam – an entertainer who does not perform as he tells them he will.

  189. Can’t edit, boo.

    acmomof3,

    cont. It’s all in the name of friendy Idol discussion and Adam Lambert –especially in this thread.

  190. The REAL POINT of ABC’s decision is that Adam DEVIATED FROM HIS SCRIPTED REHEARSAL and BLINDSIDED the network. The content of the permance was NOT CLEARED by ABC;

    This is very emphatic for something that is just a theory, with no more weight than any of the other theories we all pull out of our asses. People can project their own opinions about the performance onto ABC’s subsequent actions, but we’re never really gonna know the whole story. Stating it as if it was fact in the strongest terms possible does not actually make it fact.

  191. The numbers on the HDD site are the Nielsen SoundScan Building Chart ‘” it show sales from 8 retailers. 37.7% of locations have reported, mostly Walmart. The Miley Album is only available at Walmart.

    The Building Chart is about 80% of sales, not all sales. It includes Walmart, Target. BestBuy, iTunes, Anderson, Starbucks and Borders plus some jobbers who stock Walmart music departments.

    Thank you. I think I get it, now. :)

  192. The REAL POINT of ABC’s decision is that Adam DEVIATED FROM HIS SCRIPTED REHEARSAL and BLINDSIDED the network

    I also get the feeling this whole debate get out of sight the that is a normal situation, which happen everyday on a smaller level.
    If you hire someone to paint a room in your house and you tell him, what you want, but when you come back he has used his artistic inspiration and the room look liked nothing you wanted, you also would complain.
    And if at that moment your family and friends would come to take a look at that room and some are got a bad impression, you surely would the next time you have something to paint take precautionary measure, that is won’t happen again.

    And for me that is all I see in this story.

  193. “The REAL POINT of ABC’s decision is that Adam DEVIATED FROM HIS SCRIPTED REHEARSAL and BLINDSIDED the network. The content of the performance was NOT CLEARED by ABC;”

    This is very emphatic for something that is just a theory, with no more weight than any of the other theories we all pull out of our asses. People can project their own opinions about the performance onto ABC’s subsequent actions, but we’re never really gonna know the whole story. Stating it as if it was fact in the strongest terms possible does not actually make it fact.

    It is fact. ABC has said so. Adam has admitted it and said he has learned not to deviate from what is rehearsed.

    Apologies for the overemphasis, but people keep talking about the content not being any worse than we see on TV or saw from the other performers that night, when that is not the issue.

    ABC’s stated issue has been Adam performed outside the script. Yes, we can believe that reasoning is a smokescreen and ABC is saying that to cover its a** because of the complaints. However, the fact remains, Adam did perform outside the script and there were consequences. Again, those consequences of 1500 complaints – an insignificant number – and a nuisance complaint to the FCC from the Liberty people – can be deemed of no consequence. However, ABC now has to deal with this fall out – whether or not we consider it important.

    As a professional entertainer, which Adam certainly is, he knew better than to do what he did but he did it anyway.

    So, ABC is making an example of him. I hope this doesn’t limit his future TV appearances on other networks. He needs those to build his fan base. Where are the bookings for Leno, Conan, SNL, Regis & Kelly, etc.? He should be making appearances everywhere. His album is great. His performances of those songs is great. People need to see this – repeatedly – and he needs TV for that exposure.

  194. The REAL POINT of ABC’s decision is that Adam DEVIATED FROM HIS SCRIPTED REHEARSAL and BLINDSIDED the network. The content of the performance was NOT CLEARED by ABC. If ABC had known he was going to do this, they would have either told him he couldn’t, or at the very least been prepared to black out the inappropriate material.

    And yet throughout the broadcast, ABC didn’t miss a single opportunity to pimp Adam’s closing performance as a showstopper that would be THE watercooler topic the next day.

    Blindsided? Don’t think so. ABC got exactly what it wanted…and a little more besides. Ratings were huge for the AMAs, they would have been huge for the GMA broadcast later in the week. Money talks, except when someone with a lot of influence over even more money does the talking and I think that’s what happened in the board room overnight.

  195. As a professional entertainer, which Adam certainly is, he knew better than to do what he did but he did it anyway.

    I agree with this…one thing you always heard about him on AI is how he is a “strategist”, and always seemed to always have a plan. I think he new exactly what he was going to do on the AMAs before it happened, and it would not surprise me at all, if his management did also.

  196. The numbers on the HDD site are the Nielsen SoundScan Building Chart

    No, they’re not. HDD and Nielsen SoundScan (which is the one used by Billboard) are completely different entities. HDD makes estimates from info they gather from retailers, Nielsen counts scans (of the barcode) at the point of sale.

    HDD is useful as a preview of what might to come on SoundScan and Billboard, but they’re not considered official numbers.

  197. The REAL POINT of ABC’s decision is that Adam DEVIATED FROM HIS SCRIPTED REHEARSAL and BLINDSIDED the network. The content of the performance was NOT CLEARED by ABC. If ABC had known he was going to do this, they would have either told him he couldn’t, or at the very least been prepared to black out the inappropriate material.

    I agree. ABC was within their rights to respond as they did. I’m sure it didn’t help that Adam said right after the show that if they bleeped parts out on the west coast, it would be discrimination. You can’t bite the hand that feeds you. I’d say, if you can’t tone it down for television, or go along with the rules, then don’t do television. Anyway, sounds like he is now willing to cooperate and compromise, which is necessary in today’s business world, especially for someone starting out.

    For myself I will still know that this side of Adam exists (the dominant, mean, aggressive side that he exhibited in the performance) and wonder about it. Like everyone else, I form my own opinions about him. Today’s tweets were a plus to me. If he can learn from his errors it will be good for him (as for anyone).

    In general I don’t care for corporations or capitalism, but if you’re going to play the game and reap the rewards that network television can bestow, you have to expect to play within the rules. Or at least expect to get bleeped.

  198. What’s done is done Adam is moving on and ABC needs to do so also, enough with the corporate statements.

  199. “So it’s either keep your sexuality well under wraps or become involved in the struggle, one way or another.”

    As has been said many times before, just being out in Adam’s circumstances is inherently political. Some people talk and write about change; Adam acts on it.

    In the long run the controversy is good. The only controversies that usually seem to effect performers adversely are lip-synching or other fakery(a la Milli Vanilli).

    Could it be said that television is entering the Post-Lambert Era?

  200. Actually, the cancellation didn’t hurt Adam a bit. He did a good job on the Early Show and gave them a ratings boost.

    I still disapprove of the performance on the AMA, but it’s Adam’s decision to do what he wants or needs to do. Right now someone is giving him good advice.

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