Adam Lambert is Surprised, Disappointed by Leaked Track List of Pre-Idol Material

Adam Lambert released a statement, reacting to the track list leaked by TMZ early this morning. He says the songs he co-wrote were demos and that he never intended for the public to hear them:

Last Friday I was surprised to find out that songs I recorded back in 2005 were being released. Since then I discovered the entire track listing, revealed online today. I was shocked to learn that songwriting demos of songs that I co-wrote and recorded over the past few years may be released in an album. Like a rough draft that a writer does before finishing a book, I did not intend my work on these demos to be heard by the public. I was unaware that anyone intended to release these recordings until I heard about it in the press, and I’m very disappointed by this entire situation.

A short statement was probably necessary at this point to clarify his initial statement that he was only a vocalist for hire on these recordings. Obviously it was a little more than that.

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232 Comments

  1. Well now we all know not to buy this album. I’m glad Adam gave another statement, and he’s made it crystal clear.

  2. Hecker and HiFi are parasites. I for one WILL NOT be buying anything from HiFi in the future. I feel sooooo bad for Adam, hopefully it will not hurt him in anyway. It’s sad to see people trying to take advantage of Adam like this.

  3. I like this statement. For one, Adam didn’t go back on his first statement and stuck to the fact that some of the songs were in fact recorded back in 2005, which is true. Those tracks are Want and The Show Must Go On. So he didn’t lie. And he is still maintaining that all of the songs, even the ones with citizen vein are demos. Its also apparent Adam sold all his rights to the songs. It’ll be interesting to see if people still buy this now that is apparent he doesn’t want us to.

  4. The only theory that makes sense to me:
    A few years ago, Adam recorded a CD for Hi-Fi. The project
    couldn’t/didn’t get off the ground so after photo sessions and
    video production, it was ultimately shelved. Now, that Adam
    has a ‘name’, Hi-Fi is ‘unshelving’ the project.

    If this were shady in any way, 19E would have crushed it. They
    own all of Adam’s current/future output as well as his likeness
    and name useage.

    If these were demos recorded as a session singer, there wouldn’t
    be videos and song-writing credits. Hi-Fi wouldn’t have cover
    art that included Adam’s picture.

    Clearly, Adam signed a distribution deal with Hi-Fi that included
    using his likeness. This is no different than a actor having all of
    his low-budget early work bubble to the surface after he’s made
    a name for himself. It happens all the time.

  5. I hope we hear from Monte Pittman soon. It is a shame that his name and his work got caught in the crossfire here. This is his material as much as it is Adam’s, and I have a feeling that he is not going to get the recognition he deserves.

  6. So far HiFi’s statements have been more accurate than Adam’s. He should have gotten the entire truth out from the beginning. Since HiFi has been basically truthful although totally self serving, I am now wondering if there’s even more to the story.

  7. Hecker and HiFi are parasites. I for one WILL NOT be buying anything from HiFi in the future. I feel sooooo bad for Adam, hopefully it will not hurt him in anyway. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sad to see people trying to take advantage of Adam like this

    Ditto.

  8. A few years ago, Adam recorded a CD for Hi-Fi. The project
    couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t/didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get off the ground so after photo sessions and
    video production, it was ultimately shelved. Now, that Adam
    has a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹nameà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢, Hi-Fi is à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹unshelvingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ the project.

    Okay, 1 – Hi-Fi was never involved in these recordings as I understand it. The initial press releases talked about Wilshire recordings selling them to Hi-Fi.

    2-ARe there videos of these songs? I know there are youtube videos of live performances of these songs (zodiac show, citizen vein bar gigs), but I’ve never seen any actual videos that weren’t performance.

    3- A lot of these songs were co-written with Monte Pittman for Citizen Vein (the band Adam was in), not Adam solo songs.

    4-When he says demos, I believe that they were demos for Citizen Vein and for him, doesn’t mean that Wilshire ever gave him a recording contract. He and the band may have signed some rights away in order to get the demos distributed to other record companies/etc.

    It’s sad that Adam had to issue a second statement. I hope this clears it up that his statement last Friday referred to the songs that he obviously was a session singer on (the 3 songs that he has no songwriting credit on). Listening to Want, it’s obvious it was not releasable quality.

  9. How sure are we that this came from Adam and not his management team. Was he interviewed and said these straight from his mouth? He is now under contract and everything he says is under control. In fact, I’d like to credit HiFi for saying that it was his management who released the press release statement in behalf of Adam last Friday thus sparing Adam from all the mess.

    Also, on this EW article, it’s really nice to read that well-known music producers are continuing to line up for him. Way to go Adam.

  10. Werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t several of these songs on his Myspace page? Wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t his intent then for them to have been à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“heard by the publicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ?

    I just posed the same question at the end of the previous thread. I just think it’s very unfortunate, with all of the stories being posted today calling his veracity into question, that it now has to be compounded with this obviously carelessly worded statement. If he meant to say he didn’t intend them to be SOLD to the public, then nobody could fault him, as I’m sure that’s true. But watch people make hay out of this.

  11. I still stand that if any contact or deal had been signed between Adam and Hi-Fi or Wilshire or who the hell ever, that language would have most certainly been used in one of Hi-Fi’s press releases by now. But to my knowledge, it hasn’t been. So I can’t conclude that a deal was signed and an album recorded then shelves. Besides, with all the “confidence” these people have “always” had in Adam’s talent (per their own words in one of their PR’s), why would they shelve it to begin with??

    Anyway, of course another statement was necessary. The first one pretty much specifically addressed “Want.” This one talked about the other songs – and I’ve heard most of them, and they’re certainly not amazingly produced or anything.

  12. So far HiFià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s statements have been more accurate than Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s.

    And we know this how?

  13. HiFi said he co-wrote the songs. Adam said he just did a demo as a singer. They were correct. Unless I’m wrong and I admit I’m not following this as closely as some others here. But that’s the meaning I got from MJ’s intro.

    I also believe HiFi when they say they talked with him before the album release. Although I doubt he worked on the album with them. I’d be shocked if that was true.

  14. And this would be Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s second misleading statement.

    I don’t see anything misleading. The only two tracks he knew about last Friday were Want and On With The Show and the track listing shows he didn’t write either of them. They probably were the result of session singing back in 2005 like he said. He didn’t know they had his demos for Crawl Through Fire or the rest and he never intended for them to be released as an album in the form they’re in. They were works in progress and not a finished product.

    Hi Fi obviously ambushed him with the entire situation.

  15. I’ve heard all I need to hear. Hifi = weazles. A d-movie is still a finished piece of work. A demo is a demo and not meant to be displayed as a finished piece of work. (There’s nothing that says the demos are the same “recordings” as what Adam had on his my space page.)

  16. Adam’s statements in no way contradict each other. He was speaking of the single, Want, and the title track, On With the Show, in his original statement. He was just a session singer for those. When the internet errupted, the LoLifes at HiFi decided to put together the CV demo material (which they also purchased from Wilshire) to make it look less like pure exploitation. The first he heared of this plan was in the press friday.

    As far as his statement regarding th eCV material not being intended for the public, that does not seem like a contradiction to me. The Myspace music was demo quality, which is not unusual. It was intended for networking, not for CD production as is.

    Nope. I have no problem with the veracity of his statements.

    ETA: Sorry if this is redundant- you guys are too quick and my household too distracting!

  17. Adam says he did not intend his work on these demos to be heard not that he did not intend the songs to be heard. These demo tracks may be slightly different than the ones we have heard elsewhere online. He may have done more work on them after these demos were recorded. Aren’t the videos that are being mentioned just recordings of performances at Zodiac Show or have I missed something? The first statement seemed pretty clear that it was only in regards to Want since he obviously did not know what else was to be on the album. I think both statements are pretty straight forward and not contidictory at all.

    He obviously does not want this material put out so I for one will not be buying it. That is my choice and I do not have anything against anyone that may feel differently.

  18. Ok some of you guys were right. It is best for Adam to keep his mouth shut about all of this and just let it die. If he did not intend for these demos to be heard by the public, why did he have them on his myspace?

  19. If he did not intend for these demos to be heard by the public, why did he have them on his myspace?

    He didn’t want them heard on an album in a finished format because they weren’t finished. They were just works in progress.

  20. The first obviously was when he summed up his involvement in the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“On With The Showà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  tracks as one of being a hired session singer, when now he acknowledges the many co-writes he contributed to the project.

    2 of the songs were just session singer songs. We have no idea what all songs Hi Fi has. The rest of them could be session too, although they chose to use demos from when he was with Citizens Vein to give this CD credibility. Besides, how come Monte Pittman isn’t saying anything? Because its not supposed to come out and isn’t a good representation of them.

    In the end it doesn’t matter, Adam doesn’t want it out, and therefore they shouldn’t release it. that would be the moral thing to do, however, they are choosing the business choice, which is to put it out to make some quick money.

  21. Adam’s statement on Friday was regarding the released single Want. Which he did not write. Adam has always taken ownership of his songs that he co-wrote with Monte.

  22. Adam’s first statement was June 19, at which time he was addressing ‘Want’ and “On with the show” 2 songs which at that time were released by Hi-Fi – these were old demo songs, as we all know since they were put out by Hi-Fi with another singer and even Hi-fi acknowledges they were not written by Adam. (So at that time obviously Hi-Fi did not have the ‘confidence’ in Adam’s marketability that they acquired since his finish on A.I.)
    Probably as a response to the fan bru-ha-ha on June 23 Hi-Fi issued the statement with the rest of the songs, these from Citizen Vein. These performances were on You-tube from Zodiac, etc…they were not videos produced by Adam/Citizen Vein.
    I guess for me, having worked in business for many years some of the hyperbole and constantly changing memos of Hi-Fi seem much more suspicious (as does the -we’re doing this for Adam) than anything Adam/19 have said.
    The timing of the release is self-serving. I am not saying that they haven’t acquired the rights from Wiltshire, etc…but the ‘we’re doing this for Adam’ slant of some of their P.R releases is pretty annoying and laughable.

  23. HiFi said he co-wrote the songs. Adam said he just did a demo as a singer. They were correct.

    Fair enough, but I was also taking all of the other bullsh!t they’ve been spewing to the media into consideration when forming my opinion of who’s accurate or not.

  24. Adam recorded a CD for Hi-Fi.

    If Adam recorded a CD he would have been under contracted, and would have rights to the material, which he doesn’t.

    HiFi said he co-wrote the songs. Adam said he just did a demo as a singer. They were correct.

    Adam is correct too. Want and On with the shoes are demos he did for them. Those were the only songs Hi Fi originally released before the backlash began. The other songs are songs Adam did with an old band of his called Citizen Vein. And Adam still maintains in this second release that they are still demos, which is probably why Monte Pittman and the rest of the band aren’t saying anything.

    The point is this, Adam obviously was never under contract with Hi Fi and never recorded an actually album with them or he would have rights to the CD and a say, which he doesn’t.

    Hi Fi is trying to make it like Adam has been in the studio with them every day for the past 5 years making this CD, when is reality they didn’t care about these old demos until they saw Adam on TV on a popular reality show.

  25. Will——–there are songs on the list that the public has not “heard”

  26. Maybe it is just that he had not intended them to be heard by a mass audience in this form. His statement would make me reluctant to buy them.

  27. Someone posted comments made by Adam’s father on I-Tunes: “The real ironly on those pre-Idol recordings is that a couple of the songs actually had potential but the songwriter/producers squelched Adam’s inputs on changes to the vocal phrasing and vocal arrangement, directing him to sing them straight and very restrained. They obviously intended to shop the songs and not Adam. I remember he was excited about getting paid for working in the studio but pretty frestrated about how those songs came out.” I haven’t validated these remarks but found them interesting. I also find it interesting that “Want” is one of the songs that does not have Adam listed as a collaborator. Perhaps this is why they can release it now.

  28. Obviously, because he was caught kinda lying.

    “It’s not the crime, it’s the cover-up.”

  29. Hifi is probably working on their counter statement. What do you think it will be? R we going to find out Adam was under contract now?

  30. This is a hilarious attitude, considering that unlike Adam they have never been deceptive throughout this whole brou-ha-ha. Yes, they have tried to exploit his fame for financial gain, but the substance of the statements they have made have been truthful

    …and how do you know they haven’t been deceptive?

    They’ve been totally deceptive in exploiting Adam’s new found celebrity so how can you give their statements any credibility?

    Bottom line, to me, it’s obvious Adam doesn’t want people to buy this crap.

  31. Werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t several of these songs on his Myspace page? Wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t his intent then for them to have been à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“heard by the publicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ?

    Didn’t he also film videos for some of those songs?

  32. I was unaware that anyone intended to release these recordings

    Whoever this “anyone” is, they apparently had the rights. They made things change somehow “Since last Friday”. Adam’s first statement was about the “Want” demo. But now, this “anyone” has put the Citizen Vein tracks in play. A move so surprising, apparently, Adam was left “shocked” and “very dissappointed”. Quite personal language. So perhaps the opportunity of the media being, of course, only concerned with Michael Jackson, presented an opportunity to express these personal feelings. With no media caring.

    We starting discussing this in other thread. And since I was there owning up to calling it wrong this morning – I thought they’d never release a statement, which would only help HiFi, giving HiFi more free PR, the only promotion they have – moved a little of that up here. Including, no matter what HiFi responds now, this has become a tiny story. And all that matters in music now is Michael Jackson.

  33. ‘s alright Adam, we gotchyur back.

    The statement may be inartful with respect to the language “heard by the public,” but I think it’s more than fair to distinguish myspace from an official album release — at least it is for me, and I suspect for lots of others.

    I do agree that this statement sounds as though it came as much from 19 as it did from Adam, but either way, I’m glad it came.

  34. How have they been more accurate than Adam’s??

    The songs that Adam referenced in his first statement were NOT written by him. “Want” and “On with the Show” have no writing credits to Adam. The only songs noted in Hecker’s original statement were “Want” and the album was to be called “On with the Show”. Per the Billboard article, Hi-Fi Recordings did not notify 19 Entertainment about its intent to release Lambert’s debut album before announcing the news on Friday afternoon. “I bet they know now,” Hecker says.” The statement by Adam was issued that same day, obviously without knowledge of exactly what Hi-Fi intended to release, considering that Hecker stated that the music would be similar to Want. I don’t know if you’ve heard the other songs, but check out the youtube videos, completely different in style from “want”. The Citizen Vein songs are even farther away from the Kiss and Tell, Pop goes the camera style.

    The track listing was “leaked” from an internal memo written from the John Titta (President and Chief Operating Officer of HI-FI) under a different corporate name to John Hecker (Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Hi-FI) dated Tuesday (well after Adam’s initial statement). Adam’s statement today obviously references this latest “track listing”. Hecker disclosed no additional songs that he was going to release, was very vague in those press releases, and since he’s including Citizen Vein releases which were not recorded presumably under any Adam Lambert solo deal, it seems that he’s doing that due to the flack he’s gotten regarding Adam receiving any money from their planned “album”. Since Monte Pittman is listed as an artist for Wilshire Recordings, I imagine that’s how they got access to Citizen Vein and co-written stuff with Adam.

    I’m so over this issue, if you want to buy it, buy it. If you don’t, don’t. If you want to believe Hi-Fi, believe them. If you want to believe Adam, believe him. I believe Adam. Just reading Hi-Fi’s successive series of press releases point to a desperate company trying to get publicity any way they can. He can’t win here with some people. He doesn’t issue a statement beyond his first statement in response to press releases (dubious leaked memos) by Hi-Fi and he’s called a liar by the people who don’t like him. He releases a statement in response to press releases (dubious leaked memos) and he’s called a liar by the people who don’t like him. Face it, the people that don’t like him aren’t ever going to like him.

    All I care about is the new music. I don’t care if Adam had a contract then, I don’t care what they release, I don’t care to know anymore about this subject. I’m done.

  35. So far HiFià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s statements have been more accurate than Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s. He should have gotten the entire truth out from the beginning. Since HiFi has been basically truthful although totally self serving,

    Of course! HiFi are doing this after all, their words are coherent with their actions. Adam was in the dark about the tracks were going to be released. After all, they had said that the album would be full of songs from the same genre as Want. The track listing is a genre fest, metal rock, glam, electric pop, cheesy ballads, etc.

  36. I don’t think fans should buy this. Sorry, he obviously doesn’t want them out there. They are raw demos, and – quite frankly – are probably embarrassing.
    Lord knows what we’ve heard so far sucks.

  37. I really have a hard time imagining how anyone could see Adam as having been misleading in anything he’s stated so far. Hi-Fi admitted to not giving any warning to 19/RCA or Adam about their intents, and only gave two songs (neither which Adam wrote) as examples on the album. The rest were released only a couple of days ago, well after his first statement (which obviously couldn’t have included the new additions). As for not meant for the public, I’d certainly take that in a “not meant for sale as a finished work.” sort of way.

    While Hi-fi hasn’t really flat out lied, they most certainly have stretched the truth to a breaking point and manipulated information to seem like they were on the up and up. :Shrug:: guess everyone sees what they want to.

  38. Personally, I’m glad the statement was released. Adam needed to acknowledge that he didn’t know that these were the songs that were going to be recorded, but that he had participated in the writing process.

    I don’t think that the album will have any credibility, however, just until we see the album cover, after seeing the Want cover, we may expect another one made in 5 minutes.

  39. Adam has spoken and it’s pretty clear and obvious. I will not be buying anything HI FI releases.

    I suggest HI FI reconsiders the plan to release the album. Maybe release it in a few years? This is just not the right time to release it. If they really care about their company’s reputation, they would cancel all the plans to release the album since they are in a lose-lose situation. The fans will not buy the album right now and it seems like everyone is against the idea of a demo album.

    Anyway, I just hope this will be the last I hear of this news.

  40. I think Adam worded this statement well, and it perfectly encapsulates my issue with Hi Fi: Adam was given NO SAY about the release of this material, which, whether he wrote it or not, was not put together to be a finished album. If they worked with him, collaborated, etc, to get it released, that’s another matter – but they didn’t allow for any of that.

    So I’m completely on Adam’s side about this just not really being fair to him, as an artist.

    That said, I guess they have the rights to it, want to make some money on his name, and a lot of people would (sadly) do similarly in their situation.

  41. Noctem- you don’t know that Adam has been misleading and that Hi-Fi hasn’t. I think it’s equally plausible that Adam’s first statement referred to Want, On With the Show, and the other session track he did not co-write (and possibly any other session songs in the collection of 24 tracks HiFi says they have rights to). Clearly Want was a session song, because it was released as ‘december’ by another group, and the quality of the production is pretty dodgy.

    So Adam may not have known that they also had the rights to his CV stuff (or it may not have been finalised), and therefore the initial statement about it being session work may be true. Hi-Fi admitted they sprung the news about releasing a cd on 19/Adam. I think if they had had the CV stuff sewed up from the start it would have been mentioned in Hi-FI’s initial press release. It wasn’t. So maybe that took a while to finalise, but in the meantime, they had all his session work, and so initially Adam believed that that was what would be released (which would make his initial statement and second statement both accurate).

    I also think that the obvious musical contrast between Want and his CV stuff backs this up- no sensible record producer would release that stuff together on one album- they were obviously from different projects (one as a session singer, the other recording some demos of his own music).

    I have no doubt Hi-Fi have the legal right to release this music. But I think they’ve used plenty of weasel words to imply other things in their statements, and they’ve changed their story.

    As far as his myspace goes- before idol not many people were looking at it. So Adam could have his music up there to be easily accessible by industry people, without thinking it was going to be heard by every tom, dick and harry in the public. Plenty of musicians put demos on Myspace. It doesn’t mean they want those songs released commercially without further production. I’m sure Adam didn’t mind his fans hearing this music during Idol, but that doesn’t mean he wanted them released commercially without any extra work done on them (or even considered them representative of the type of music he wants to make now).

    I’m aware that as an Adam fan I have a bias towards him, and I’m going to be biased towards giving him the benefit of the doubt when things are ambiguous. But on the other hand, while I have no problem with businesses (such as HiFi) being opportunistic, e.g. by releasing Adam’s music once he became famous, I do have a problem with them claiming to have his blessing, and making all sorts of ambiguously worded statements that seem to imply things they can’t back up (e.g. that he’s going to make lots of money from Want- no session singer would be entitled to royalties. from the CV stuff maybe, but not from Want).

    I can’t really be more specific about the ways in which HiFi has changed their story, and used weasel words to imply things that may not be true- I’d have to go back and compare their statements, and interviews, but that was the impression that I got when reading about this. They had a legal right to release this stuff, but that they were implying more than that.

  42. If Adam said these were still not fully finished, tracks, demos or not, then I believe him. HE WORKED ON THESE TRACKS-WE DIDN’T. Why are we calling his statement into question? If he would profit off these tracks, he would NOT be asking us to refrain from buying them. Remember how Hi-Fi said Adam would reap huge profits from this album’s sales, more than he would make with a large recording company (read: 19/RCA)? Bullshit.

    I will wait for his REAL album, which should kick serious butt. I am sorry I downloaded What and will certainly NOT download Hi-Fi’s album. And I’m sorry that Adam has to be in the spotlight once again for the WRONG reasons instead of the right ones (his new album, the tour). But he knows the entertainment industry, as he has said multiple times (including comments during today’s press junket with Good Day LA), and while this must be frustrating and disappointing, it can’t be entirely surprising.

    I’m going back to honoring MJ on Top 13 Night (thank you, DVR). Remember how he smashed it with BoW? Yep. Gonna watch that again.

  43. Hifi has been lying out of their asses with half-truths to make it look like Adam’s been involved in realeasing this “album.” Sesson work and demo recordings may belong to a third party who has the rights to release them, but it’s scum bag behavior of the highest order. (If Hifi had ever said “this is session work and demo work… they would probably be truthful, but instead they’ve LIED by misrepresenting this work.)

    A simple question: If Adam was on board with recording and releasing this music in this format with these people…. wouldn’t he have been in the studio making the music appropriate for release. Hifi would have you believe that is the case by misleading us by saying “Adam was in the studio at some point.” This actually proves nothing. In fact, to me, it proves they are lying because of how vague they are being.

    Adam is finding out what these tracks are as they are being reported on in the news. This isn’t the type of a scenario that plays out when a recording artist is working with a studio on a release of an album.

    Without giving us vultures every itty bitty piece of info, Adam is being clear about what this music is all about. Some session and demo work that someone else has the rights to release… and he’s not happy about it.

    I’m also betting the demos on the “album” will not be the same recordings Adam had on his My Space page.

  44. noctem, Adam said he learned after his first statement that the track list included songs he’d written, not simply the session songs he’d lent his voice to for hire. To jump to the conclusion that he lied the first time, you have to assume he’s lying that he didn’t have the track list.

    If he had the list, he’d be insane to make the first statement that he did. Would he really believe he’d get away with it, that HiFi wouldn’t strike back? That they couldn’t or wouldn’t show otherwise? That the album wouldn’t be released? I doubt he’d assume any of those things, so it’s simply not logical or reasonable to conclude that Adam, knowing all the songs HiFi aimed to release on the album, flat out lied about what they were.

    It’s more reasonable to accept that Adam learned after his first statement that HiFi planned to include demos of songs he co-wrote with Pittman. Regardless, you can’t prove Adam knew all the tracks when releasing his initial statement, you simply choose to make a leap — an illogical one at that — and assume the worst.

    edit: DO NOT QUESTION THE MOTIVES OF YOUR FELLOW POSTERS

  45. Huge Fan of Adam’s Talent. Voted for him many many many times EVERY week. But I am familiar enough with musicians to know that NO ONE goes into the studio and does all that work for practice. He was hoping that stuff would get released at the time.

    Now that he is working with all of these big name writers, what he did then is no longer good enough for him. That’s fine. But he should stop making these statements. It is only making him look bad.

    And Adam will be getting royalties off of this CD which will sell many many copies, and even though the one song I heard was garbage, I am still going to buy the CD because Adam IS making money off of it and I want to support his talent.

    Adam needs to learn to keep his trap shut. Less is more, Adam.

  46. HiFi is taking advantage of the situation and 90% of their statement is PR bs. However, the facts they present have been accurate. So when they state that Adam visited them the week of the finale, I believe them. Why hasn’t Adam stated that was a lie?

    MySpace is a vehicle to present music to the public. If you don’t want the public to hear your stuff, you don’t put it on MySpace. Or you blog that it’s just a rough demo, etc.

    I still think it’s no big deal and won’t hurt Adam’s career with 19.

  47. Absolutely. Here is Adam with a chance to finally put out a decent album and there is Hi-Fi ‘sabotaging it’ with old junk. It bothers me (and actually really surprises me) that some people on here are so easily persuaded by Hi-Fi, I guess I’m a bit jaded by corporations…I wish we could stay out of the personal attacks on Adam though…I’m new to this so I hope I’m not crossing a line by saying that or breaking the rules…

  48. Do we know these songs that are going to be released are the exact same thing that was on Adam’s MySpace page? The ones on his MySpace page may be different versions, more advanced versions that he had some time to polish? Maybe re-recorded after he had performed the songs in public a few times? Did the MySpace page say these were finished versions ready for publication? Or did it say they were some jam sessions with some other musicians? There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between posting on a MySpace page and selling as a finished product.

    I would prefer to give Adam the benefit of the doubt, we have no reason to believe he isn’t telling the truth about when he found out which tracks were going to be published. And doesn’t it seem strange that he found out on the Internet? Wouldn’t a reputable company have at least informed him of their intent?

    If you go to the MPCA site (Hecker’s company) and read about their “client” Kanye West, it looks to me like they did the same thing to him … published old demos after he became famous.

  49. edit: DON’T respond to posts you KNOW I’m going to delete, or I’ll ban YOU TOO

  50. Putting a few songs up on his myspace page, that can be viewed by the public, and having a whole entire album available for sale to the public, is like comparing apples to oranges.

    HiFi is totally taking advantage of Adams recent success and celebrity, and making it sound as if they are doing Adam a favor by making this album. The poor guy can’t get a break.

  51. In no way I idolize Adam enough to claim that he would never lie. Personally, I think he is a flawed human being and anybody, maybe most public figures have eventually lied to the media somehow, and I couldn’t care less because they are not my role models.

    I just don’t believe that someone would be stupid enough to claim that he hadn’t participated in a writing process of songs, if he had known that those songs were going to be the ones that have been around the web for the last 3 months, songs that the fans love, com’on, even a picture of him performing one of those songs is printed on his Rolling Stone article. I don’t think Adam or anyone would be that stupid. If The Circle, Crawl Truh Fire or any of those publicly known songs had been claimed to be the first single, it’s extremely obvious the story would be different.

    Just my thoughts.

  52. In what way, shape or form has he made himself look bad? And since when do any artists expect Demo work to be released as is? I’ve heard demo tapes of Duran Duran, Linkin Park, Shiny Toy Guns and more, and the demos never sound as polished as the final album takes, sometimes even having different lyrics entirely. Demos are just that, demonstrations to show what the artists can potentially sound like, not full fledged releases to be shipped out to stores.

  53. Reminder:

    So, did some of you mistakenly wander in here thinking you were on the scary boards or IDF?

    Everybody gets an opinion here. If you can’t bear to see your dear sweet Adam criticized, I suggest you find a nice cozy fangroup where you can preach to the choir.

    I’m not going to allow peeps to shout down or flame folks who criticize Adam. If you do that your’re going to get banned. And in fact, I just banned two people, including someone who has been posting for awhile.

    ETA: Actually, I banned FIVE people.

    So read my guidelines and FOLLOW THEM.

  54. Myspace was originally a marketing tool for musicians…people put rough demos up all the time, that does not mean they intend to sell those demos. People have been signed off of their myspaces, so it’s possible Adam was hoping someone in the business would hear the demos and want to take a chance on him. Who knows? Regardless, I think it’s apparent that Adam means that he didn’t want these songs Sold to the public.

    Anyway, why would Adam lie about not knowing what songs were on the album if he knew that lie would come back and bite him when the track listing was revealed? I still think this is all less of a big deal than it is being made out to be online.

  55. Lies, half truths, full disclosure whatever, doesn’t matter. The bottom line is that if Adam had had creative input this is not how he would have chosen to release his music. Don’t buy it.

  56. I want to post again what Tom O’Neil wrote in a Q&A regarding Adam. This wasn’t referring to the HiFi situation, but the industry in general:

    “Adam needs tough, seasoned management. This industry is a corrupt, incestuous biz and you benefit from that by being on the inside”

  57. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see anything misleading. The only two tracks he knew about last Friday were Want and On With The Show and the track listing shows he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t write either of them. They probably were the result of session singing back in 2005 like he said. He didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know they had his demos for Crawl Through Fire or the rest and he never intended for them to be released as an album in the form theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re in. They were works in progress and not a finished product.

    Not to mention that HiFi later amended their statement to say they had 2 albums worth of songs. But they only say Adam has 9 song writing credits total out of 2 albums, so what’s the rest of the work? Most likely stuff like Want and On With The Show, which was norhing more than session work he did in 2005.

    So I see no contradictions in his two statements. There are two sets of music here, and the only song he had heard at the time of his first statement was Want and it was part of his session work. It and On With The Show are what he was referring to. And again, who knows how many other sessions work there is if there enough for another whole “album,” because all the actual Adam songs are only enough for the first one and still have space for two session tunes.

    As for it “not meant to be heard,” this was in refence to being good enough to on an actual album, because what Wilshire had wasn’t finished product. Which makes it good enough to put up free one’s MySpace page or allow to be YouTube to be enjoyed and rippable, but not finished enough to be put on an album.

    Fonzerelli who actually had been working with Adam prior to AI and was forced to stop that as per the AI contract (which is why I don’t believe HiFi again, that he was working with them)said he has a number of songs that he was working with Adam on. But as they are won’t ever be finished now, he’s going to put the unfinished songs they were working on together on his website for people to listen to for free and rip. And those songs won’t be finished enough, to be album worthy either.

  58. If Adam recorded a CD he would have been under contracted, and would have rights to the material, which he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t.

    Carly Smithson was in the same position last season. She would have liked to have her old Carly Hennessy cd disappear but she didn’t have the power to do that either.

  59. Adam said he didn’t want these songs heard and yet they were on his MySpace page? Wow. Talk about a blow to his creditability.

  60. Fonzerelli who actually had been working with Adam prior to AI and was forced to stop that as per the AI contract (which is why I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe HiFi again, that he was working with them)said he has a number of songs that he was working with Adam on. But as they are wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t ever be finished now, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to put the unfinished songs they were working on together on his website for people to listen to for free and rip. And those songs wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be finished enough, to be album worthy either.

    Now there is someone with some class and not out to make a quick buck off someone else’s name.

  61. I’ve been trying to keep up with this story or should I say soap opera. Adam’s statements just dont quite ring totally true. In the end, I doubt it will matter because this hifi probably won’t have the budget to do any pr. I see this as just a tiny pebble (not egven a bump) in the road for Adam. But, it does sound like what these hifi peeps are doing is totally legal so maybe Adam should have been more careful about who he dealt with and what he signed.

  62. o boy. i can see this topic is never going to die. tomorrow we are going to get another statement, memo ,whatever, from hi fi. i hope this is the last statement adam makes on it . it’s clear to his fans what he wants and his real fans get the message. the people calling him a liar are not fans and will never be so trying to explain and defend adam here will get us no where. the people at his official site are so over this and are looking forward to whats next. the kind of love for adam shown there is encouraging. i hope that’s the only site he goes to. Adam has his eyes on the price , all this crap will blow away.

    hifi release ur album already.no one is stopping u , no one cares.

  63. noctem:

    “It is patently ridiculous to claim that Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s initial à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I was just a session singerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  statement was based on his thinking that Hecker was referring to only the two songs, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“On With The Showà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ . Adam knew who Wilshire Records was and what his past association was with them.

    And, therefore, Adam would have known that if Mr. Hecker was stating his intention to release an album that had many co-writes credited to himself, then he would have had a good idea what some of songs those were. And he would have been well aware that his involvement went well beyond that of just being a session singer.”

    I know I’m biased, but I still don’t think it’s obvious that Adem knew they had the rights to/intende to release CV stuff at first. HiFi’s initial statement said the album music would be similar to Want. The CV stuff is not similar to Want. Not in a million years. The only track names that had been released were Want and On With the Show. That was session work, not his co-write demos. And there was possibly enough music for an album of session work, because HiFi have mentioned having the rights to 24[?ish] Adam songs, but only mentioned his co-writes for the ones on the track release that was ‘leaked’. So I don’t think it’s unreasonable to speculate that HiFI initially intended on releasing an album of all adam session work, and only later changed their minds [or finalised the rights to CV stuff].

    Because if HiFi had the CV music rights at the point they first announced the release of Want, why didn’t they mention them in the initial press release/interview? And why was the memo with the ‘leak’ of the track list dated after Adam’s initial statement? if that was the planned track list all along, shouldn’t the memo have been dated earlier?

    Why would Adam know about the CV songs when they weren’t initially mentioned by HiFi, and when Hecker admitted “i bet they know now” that he hadn’t been in contact with Adam/19 beyond whatever meeting took place in may.

    We can’t definitively say what happened because we don’t know all the facts/ timeline, but I think there’s more evidence to suggest HiFi is playing a little loose with the facts than Adam.

    I don’t mean to have a go at you, I really enjoy your posts, especially about Cook, and I’m interested in your response to this comment (and my previous one) if you have time. I remember you mentioning a ‘need’ to respond to comments directed at you personally :) I just don’t think the evidence is as definitive as you seem to think that Adam is being duplicitous.

  64. Ok, I haven’t written anything on this blog since the show ended last month, but I feel that this is really the limit, and I must say SOMETHING:
    Adam Lambert is an amazing talent. I think so, and know that many many others do so too. I don’t give a damn what the objective truth about these recordings are. I only care that Adam is currently working on an album that he really believes will represent his vision as an artist, and he’s getting to do it with top notch producers and artists. That’s the album I am restlessly waiting for and I don’t understand, honestly, why all this old stuff is even getting so much attention (well, because it has Adam’s name, the hottest name currently in entertainment, on it, obviously).
    If he isn’t supporting it NOW, regardless of how it came to be, then who the H*LL SHOULD CARE ABVOUT IT?????????????
    This whole  ¨did he or didn’t he lie ¨ bussiness is pretty rediculous, and completely meaningless, IMO…

  65. Tony, please read some of the comments before posting. This issue has been addressed over and over. Putting music on MySpace for demo purposes is nowhere near the same as publishing a finished album.

  66. merrymary, thanks for posting that link, LOL….
    karend I totally agree, demos are not finished product, just like jottings are not a book…
    Apples and Oranges…

  67. This very recent 19E statement on behalf of Adam may or may not be a good move. It may be a good move because if this Hi-Fi album flops then they can say that you have been forewarned. It may not be a good move because Hi-Fi might go deeper into this and everything will get out of hand. I hope this will be the last statement from Adam’s camp.

  68. Carly Smithson was in the same position last season. She would have liked to have her old Carly Hennessy cd disappear but she didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have the power to do that either

    Heck, the Beatles got most of their music bought out by…Michael Jackson (appropriate reference for today) and they didn’t agree with Michael’s selling songs like Revolution to Nike in the ’90s, but there wasn’t a darn thing they could do about. And they were The Beatles! So yeah, people like Adam and Carly are so completely SOL.

  69. @ nuttin2lose

    “o boy. i can see this topic is never going to die. tomorrow we are going to get another statement, memo ,whatever, from hi fi. i hope this is the last statement adam makes on it . ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s clear to his fans what he wants and his real fans get the message…. Adam has his eyes on the price , all this crap will blow away.

    hifi release ur album already.no one is stopping u , no one cares.”

    I agree with you. I don’t want this hype. Release the album and be done with it. If fans buy or not so be it. This way we can all move past it. I would rather focus my attention to convincing people to start up fan clubs. Have to contribute to Adam’s success in my small way. :-)

    Besides everything is being twisted out of proportion and sabotage is in the air. Damn!

    Adam – you stay true to yourself and just let things be.

  70. Adam said he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want these songs heard and yet they were on his MySpace page? Wow. Talk about a blow to his creditability.

    I don’t think this is a blow to Adam’s credibility.

    Let me say a few things about Adam and how those who don’t read these blogs haven’t much clue about all these goings ons.

    My two sisters who FLOVE Adam, have no clue this is going on. They are waiting for his solo concert tour and his Adam CD to drop. That is it.

    My husband, who issavy about music, doesn’t know anything about this. He likes Adam, but doesn’t read any of this AI stuff.

    My best friend, doesn’t pay much attention to AI at. all.

    Granted, these are anecdotal, but that is how I think most of the world is viewing Adam > unless you actively look or participate in AI stuff, you don’t have a clue about all this Adam-drama.

  71. Including, no matter what HiFi responds now, this has become a tiny story. And all that matters in music now is Michael Jackson.

    I was thinking along these lines, too, FifthHouseSun. I think Adam or whomever released that statement on his behalf said what they needed to say. With the tour about to begin and good buzz about his new album circulating, I think this will become the tiny blip it deserves. Actually, for all but avid followers of Idol, I think this has always been a blip. :)

    Off topic slightly but still Adam related and goes along with my last statement… After searching far and wide and beginning to panic, I finally found a copy of “Rolling Stone” at a grocery store of all places yesterday. The woman at the checkout stand had no clue who Adam was although she did seem quite impressed by the cover and took her sweet time placing it in the bag.

  72. @alxsavage

    Agree with you. Getting sick of this topic. Can’t people just leave Adam alone to make beautiful music?!! Nothing changes how i feel for Adam. He is the best.

  73. Granted, these are anecdotal, but that is how I think most of the world is viewing Adam > unless you actively look or participate in AI stuff, you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have a clue about all this Adam-drama.

    Pretty much this. I haven’t talked to anyone in person who has heard of this drama. not saying that there aren’t people out there, but so far, only those of us a bit . . . obsessed (seems such an ugly term, but maybe fitting) with the show. I sincerely doubt the average music buyer will ever hear or care about this.

  74. The woman at the checkout stand had no clue who Adam was although she did seem quite impressed by the cover and took her sweet time placing it in the bag.

    LOL The EXACT same thing happened to me when I bought it! Lots o’ clueless, yet happy cashiers in our midst. :smoke_tb:

  75. hmmm.. the songs i listened to were not too bad.. they were actually pretty good. i dont think they were terrible. maybe they were not as flourished as they would be now, but i dont think they were too bad as people are saying.

    one thing, at least its some old music from the past that has popped out to haunt Adam, thats better than some old porno pics that some actors had to do when they were short on cash.

    i have a question, i dont understand, if Crawl Thru Fire is one of those oldies, he has a You Tube singing that, so apparently he approved of Crawl thru fire, right???

    im cornfused.

  76. I agree. We are so much into this issue because we crave for Adam news. But for the general public, they don’t know what’s going on in Adam’s world. That’s why I am not really that worried that this will affect Adam’s future in the music industry.

  77. re noctem’s comments:

    Werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t several of these songs on his Myspace page? Wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t his intent then for them to have been à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“heard by the publicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ?

    If he had these same demo versions on his myspace (as opposed to some other more ready version of the same song), then I’d say yes, “heard by the public” is a poor choice of words. Lots of artists put up early or “work in progress” versions of audio or video (or tolerate it being put up in youtube) to whet the public’s appetite. Obviously, that doesn’t mean they want those same versions put out on CD, but if Adam is thinking one medium was OK and not the other, he could have made that statement clearer, given that some part of his audience is aware of the fact that some version of some songs used to be on MySpace.

    And this would be Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s second misleading statement. The first obviously was when he summed up his involvement in the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“On With The Showà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  tracks as one of being a hired session singer, when now he acknowledges the many co-writes he contributed to the project.

    This isn’t obvious to me at all. His initial statement referred to what he knew of the tracklist when he made that statement. His second referred to what he knew of the tracklist when he made that statement. To take it as misleading and have “now acknowledges” be an accurate use of English, one would have to assume that he’s lying about when he knew what was planned to be on the tracklist. While it’s possible that he’s lying, that’s the kind of thing that can’t just be assumed in honest discourse – it has to be stated and supported. Not doing so, actually makes your statement misleading.

    And even if Adam is being dishonest about knowing earlier what was intended for this album, it’s even harder for me to believe that he’d be unaware enough to make claims that could be construed as implying that he didn’t participate in writing the Citizen Vein stuff. Surely that fact is so wide spread that he couldn’t have intended to fool people into thinking he had little involvement in writing those.

    The stratighforward reading of his words in the timeline they happened, referencing the events he, in fact, refers to doesn’t seem remotely misleading to me. I’m an occam’s razor kind of person, anyway.

    Anyway, this newest statement smacks of one that 19/RCA forced him to put outà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

    Could you elaborate on this? I can see them thinking the time was right and I do think this was an appropriate statement, but why “forced”? You think he didn’t want to speak at all, or that he didn’t want to call those cuts rough drafts, or something else?

    Anyway (and speaking generally, not in response anymore to nochem’s comments): given that Adam apparently can’t stop this album legally, I actually think things are in a pretty good place:

    – based on the way the press handled the first round, I would imagine that any reviews of this album (if it ever comes to be) will continue to reference the controversy and include Adam’s position. That should prevent anyone from giving it a straight-up review that would color the reception of his new work

    – it’s crystal clear that this is being published against the artist’s wishes. While legal, a lot of people will consider this unethical and not support it. In my opinion, that’s what people should do, if they disapprove of this way of treating artists. People not buying and not ripping is the surest way to show that people don’t support this way of treating up and coming artists

    – people who do buy it anyway are likely to be people who are strong fans of his voice, and either are not clued into the events and responses, or are clued in but don’t find it unethical. In either case, they’re strong enough fans of his music that it isn’t going to effect their reception of his debut album.

    It’s interesting to me, considering these soul-selling deals that starving artists often have to make. If they stay anonymous, it doesn’t matter much, because their anonymity protects them from being attractive prey. If someone springs into prominence without going through this journeyman stage, then they can avoid the coersive kinds of deals to begin with. So the trap can really only fall on the working artist who finally gets the big break, so it’s not surprising that the Hecker’s of the world want to strike. But that doesn’t mean that people like me have to help them.

  78. listen—
    I’ve had the same experience, huge group of people at work that love Adam knew NOTHING or just what they read at EW.com and thought it “no big deal.” Just waiting for the tour and the cd in the fall. My sister and cousin same story. I think the idol die-hards who visit some of these sites know and obsess about it. Last year, I was a complete David Cook fan, but didn’t visit any blogs or even know about this site. Apparently alot of hand-wringing and controversial posts about him that I never knew about or really cared to know about. I was happier then..LOL. I didn’t know about his swearing, gambling, groupies and out of control stalker fans. If I had never found this site, I wouldn’t be scared to go to his concert Tuesday night for fear of “flat david”, “bunny ears” and “out of control signage”. It would all be a great surprise :jittery_tb:

    I long for those days of innocence..lol.

  79. @Pannacotta: ABSOLUTELY!!! On both your posts. You nailed that and I completely agree.

    The only thing I would add (and I’m sure it’s been said) MySpace and Facebook are forums to put up SAMPLES of your work. Whether it’s junior high school poetry or the Great American Novel, they are just samples. Yes, Adam could have phrased his statement better, but who didn’t know what he really meant? I mean, he knew his Citizen Vein stuff had been all over the Internet for months (including his own MySpace page). Obviously, he meant, “Not intended for commercial release.”

    Seriously, who would imagine their sample “Garage Band” demos would be released commercially? That’s ridiculous. I have chapters from a novel on my Web site as a marketing tool and work sample, but if McGraw Hill bought it tomorrow and said they didn’t want to edit it or prepare the final product, I would think, “Are you insane?” I’m a professional editor and have tightened the daylights out of those chapters, but I KNOW they are not ready for commercial release. Not even close.

  80. Well, I can’t say I’m surprised by this statement since it has been pretty clear for days now that Adam wasn’t being entirely straight-up about his involvement in this project. I do have to give him and his team at RCA/19E props though for the timing of the statement – as pointed out by someone above, it’s a smart move to try to bury this in the wake of the Michael Jackson story.

    But either way, it’s simply not going to impact his career. The credibility question is a little bit troubling, but mostly just….disappointing. In the end it’s just a PR blip. And as for the album itself, no matter how crappy it might be? There’s no way Hi-Fi is putting any money into promoting the thing, so really – how many people are even going to hear it? As I said on one of the 37 previous threads about this story, if the single (or the album) flops, its easy enough to pin the blame on crappy material, cheapo production, lack of promotion, and the nebulous effects of a fan-boycott. If it sells well? The boy is a supastah whose voice can move mountains (of units).

    I honestly think the frantic hand-wringing of the fans is turning this into a much bigger story than it is.

  81. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I don’t have a problem with HiFi releasing these tunes and I have to admit I’m a little confused by some of the firestorm this is causing.

    For years, Idol fans have treated pre-Idol music like little treasures. Songs written or recorded or performed at some earlier time with a smaller budget. In fact, there have been rumours that Idols have leaked their prior works to give people an idea of what kind of artist they really were. Constantine’s pre-Idol CD was eagerly awaited. Amazon linked Chris Sligh’s band’s CD to official Idol releases. Taylor did brisk business with his CD through a small record store on the internet. Chris Daughtry’s CD sold out. Brooke’s did well. David Cook’s climbed so high on Amazon, the media noticed it. I could go on and on. And even when there wasn’t a physical CD to purchase, fans eagerly traded mp3s of previously recorded songs or even songs that were recorded from a live performance.

    So, I don’t see the difference here. I just don’t.

    If Adam is embarrassed by these songs and never intended for the public to hear them, why did he put them on myspace? Who was leaking these songs to youtube during the season? Were they being malicious in trying to embarrass Adam? If they were, they failed. Because it seems that the fans loved them and became even bigger fans. If Adam is embarrassed by these songs, should fans dump their illegal copies from their iPods? I’ve not listened to these songs, but are they really that horrible that they should not see the light of day? Are they worse than other Idols singing in a bar recorded by somebody with a cheap-a$$ camera with a bunch of drunks talking loudly in the background? Because that would mean they suck a lot and I don’t think they suck that badly.

    Look, I know that Adam wants to control his image, but these songs (the CV ones) were once part of who he was. Isn’t it interesting how he evolved? Am I the only one that enjoyed the Beatles Anthology stuff?

    And as for HiFi/Wilshire being mocked for not signing Adam earlier so they don’t deserve him now, I’m quite willing to bet that Adam and company were rejected by Sony labels in the past as well. Why wouldn’t he try to get a contract with one of the biggest labels in the country? And I would bet that Adam had more control over the sound that he produced with Wilshire/CV than he will get with his first album with RCA. It’s more fun to work with the big producers and he’s more likely to have success with the big promo budget, but with those perks come some silver handcuffs. Will his new stuff be better? Probably. But his old stuff has meaning, too, IMO.

    Finally, I just couldn’t personally justify owning and playing illegally downloaded mp3s when I wouldn’t buy them because I thought the label was ripping off my favourite artist. I would know that I was ripping him off too. Just my opinion on the matter.

    This won’t affect Adam’s career, IMO. RCA is behind him 100%. Adam will be everywhere this fall.

  82. He has evolved since then; the CV demos (which I LOVE by the way) were done a couple years ago. They were on his Myspace page, presumably in the hopes that a record company would pick him up and he could make the music he really wanted to make; release an album on his own terms.

    I just want this all to be over and done with, so that Adam can make a good, solid debut album and we can all be done with this crap.

  83. I think some people are taking Adam’s words too literally. My take is when he said he did not expect these demos’ to be heard he meant as a product to be sold. Putting them up on Myspace is trying to get people interested in what you sound like. In fact when you don’t have the funds to send the demo’s out on a massive mailing Myspace is a great way to get someone to hear the demo. Also one Adam entered the AI contest he removed those Demo’s off his myspace page. To me the words to be focused on is Hecker’s when he prefaced his initial statement by saying “We were presented with a business opportunity.” “We accepted because Wilshire Records had a long working relationship with Adam, and it resulted in excellent music that they had the rights to. The music has an audience, and it deserves to be heard. I think it’s great music. At the end of the day, from my perspective, we’re really helping Adam.” So Adam never had a relationship with HiFi and in no way made any deals with them. They will not have Adam to promote said record nor any new publicity shots. Legally HiFi and Hecker are probably in the clear. Morally ,ethically not a chance. From this to me Adam is not lying. Memo to Hecker: leave him alone let him make his new album the one he wants to make NOW. Release your legally owned songs after. Thanks

  84. Adam was given NO SAY about the release of this material, which, whether he wrote it or not, was not put together to be a finished album. If they worked with him, collaborated, etc, to get it released, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s another matter – but they didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t allow for any of that.

    They couldn’t allow for that, under the terms of his participation in Idol and subsequent signing by 19. The most they could do is allow him to listen to the tracks, which he apparently did in May. That purported listening session, BTW, just adds another question mark to his statement that he didn’t know what they were going to release.

    A simple question: If Adam was on board with recording and releasing this music in this format with these peopleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t he have been in the studio making the music appropriate for release.

    Again, that was an impossibilty. He would have been booted off Idol if he had.

  85. I’m also not sure why this is a big deal. I don’t see why both HiFi and Adam can’t be telling the truth?

    It’s really not going to matter in the grand scheme of things. ;-) Adam’s future success will depend on the marketability of his new material. That’s about it.

  86. So, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see the difference here. I just donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t.

    I think the problem is that Hi Fi is spinning this like these records are finished, polished products when they really may not be. And I think it’s got to be a little disconcerting to an artist to have something like this totally out of their hands.

    How I understand Hi-Fi’s press release is, they’ve got producers doing post-production work on the cuts. Adam will have no input on that at all, so I can understand why he might be unhappy.

    Throwing up some tunes on your myspace with caveats and explanations is a different thing than having your work released without being able to control it.

    And Taylor and Constantine were driving the release of their early works–that’s a whole different ballgame right there.

  87. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve said it before and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll say it again, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have a problem with HiFi releasing these tunes and I have to admit Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a little confused by some of the firestorm this is causing.

    My biggest problem is that Hi Fi characterized this as Adam’s debut CD and the songs as Adam’s “signature sound”. They tried to make it seem like this was new material.

    If they had said, you know we have these old demos Adam did and now that he’s a star we’re going to release them I don’t think you’d have seen nearly as big a firestorm.

    I like some of the tracks they have and if they’d been up front about it or waited instead of trying to undercut his release with RCA I’d have probably bought them.

  88. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“We were presented with a business opportunity.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“We accepted because Wilshire Records had a long working relationship with Adam, and it resulted in excellent music that they had the rights to. The music has an audience, and it deserves to be heard. I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s great music. At the end of the day, from my perspective, weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re really helping Adam.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  So Adam never had a relationship with HiFi and in no way made any deals with them. They will not have Adam to promote said record nor any new publicity shots. Legally HiFi and Hecker are probably in the clear. Morally ,ethically not a chance. From this, to me, Adam is not lying. Memo to Hecker: leave him alone let him make his new album the one he wants to make NOW. Release your legally owned songs after. Thanks

  89. Pannacotta, WORD to both of your posts!

    listen and CindyM, SO true! The vast, vast majority of Adam fanatics are blissfully unaware of these press releases.

    Here’s my thought for the night. Hi/Fi and gang need to stop trying to shove this album down Adam’s throat. He doesn’t want it or need it. He HAS an album he’s working on. But, Danny … now there’s a guy who’s looking for a contract sitch. He’s got 60,000 followers on Twitter! He placed #3 on the show (only 1 spot behind Adam). He was an alleged frontrunner, never in the bottom three (except that one night). He’s got a fanbase, people. Get DANNY to record these super fabuloso songs! It’s still WANT, but now with a gravelly edge. Work a deal and in exchange for letting the hostage (Adam) go, 19 should agree to “red rover, red rover” Danny on over to Hi/Fi! Strike while the iron’s hot. Get him in that studio ASAP. They have the material ready to go (heck they have stuff for 2 albums), just get some musicians in and record! It’s a win/win.

    You’re welcome!

  90. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s really not going to matter in the grand scheme of things. ;-) Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s future success will depend on the marketability of his new material. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s about it.

    ITA. This is going to blow over and in the end, not matter.

  91. Ummmm..sorry, please someone direct me to the internet lingo place… what’s ITA?

  92. Well said, webster.

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see why both HiFi and Adam canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be telling the truth?

    I agree, pj, and I believe they probably are.

    Lies have less to do with statements made than what a person knows when making them.

    ETA: CindyM, ITA means in total agreement. :-)

  93. noctem seizure
    {snip}And this would be Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s second misleading statement. The first obviously was when he summed up his involvement in the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“On With The Showà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  tracks as one of being a hired session singer, when now he acknowledges the many co-writes he contributed to the project.{snip}

    My take on it is that his original statement was referring only to “Want”, because at the time that was the only track he knew about; he said he did not have a hand in writing it, which by looking the list they released this morning, would be an accurate statement. This second statement is referring specifically to the songs he *did* co-write – since he didn’t know they were going to be on the “album” until today, I don’t think his first statement was misleading. JMO.

  94. By posting videos and pictures for people who donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t go to the concerts you are depriving the artists of the money they would make if all of the people who watch the videos were to buy tickets.

    Actually, those low-quality videos on YouTube are good marketing. Artists like Jason Mraz for example encourage the fans to do that to reach a wider audience. I discover new artists all the time due to the fan videos on YT.

    And I really don’t see how that can be compared with Hi-Fi’s douchbaggery. If only Hi-Fi had been honest from the start – just outright said ‘Hey fans! We’re the new owners of all those old Adam songs on YouTube you guys have been obsessing over – and we’re releasing them!’ – instead of claiming all that hocus-pocus – we’d all have said Hallelujah and forked our money over with no hard feelings. I bought “Is Anybody Listening” and had no problems over that since no one claimed this was Adam’s new single.

    Anyway, the HBIC has spoken and I hear him clearly saying ‘Don’t effin’ buy that old/new album!’

  95. The effect of this statement on me is that I’m done with this topic. Clearly Adam is not happy about the quality of this album since he seemly has no control of the final product, and therefore I’ll not buy it. Now that the tour is about to start, I have various outlets for my Adam obsession: webisodes, tour interview, etc. to keep up the positive energy :)

  96. Wow. I read Adam’s statement on EW and felt it was completely consistent. It made total sense. The responses here gobsmacked me! I seriously doubt Adam was forced to release any kind of statement he didn’t fully support. Adam doesn’t strike me as a pushover OR a liar. And this puts to rest Adam’s feelings on the issue, as there is some very strong wording in that statement. Therefore, Hi-Fi/Wilshire still = sleazy.

  97. The versions that HiFi may have are not necessarily the same ones that Adam had on his Myspace.

    There are two versions of at least Kiss and Tell as well as Pop Goes the Camera (maybe 15 Minutes of Fame is an old name, not a new one?). Others could have been worked on after recording them, even if they only had one version made available by Adam. These could just as well be some early versions.

  98. Well, I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t say Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m surprised by this statement since it has been pretty clear for days now that Adam wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t being entirely straight-up about his involvement in this project.

    In what way, not straight-up? He’s consistently distanced himself from the project and material – the session work, when Hecker implied it was Want and similar, his demos, when Hecker has implied it was that. Hecker has implied (said?) that Adam was involved in approving the production, while Adam has consistently distanced himself from the project. That’s the one place where I’d say someone isn’t being straight-up, but I’ve seen nothing that makes it clear that it’s Adam. What have I missed?

    I do have to give him and his team at RCA/19E props though for the timing of the statement – as pointed out by someone above, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a smart move to try to bury this in the wake of the Michael Jackson story.

    The tracks were made public this morning. Jackson died mid-day. Adam responded this evening. Unless there’s a hidden assumption that he’s lying, Adam couldn’t respond before this morning, when the tracklist was made public. Responding today was probably less a smart move in relation to Jackson’s death and more a matter of wanting Adam’s response to be included in any press coverage that the tracklist might inspire.

    But I do agree, this is a tempest in a tea pot. As long as Adam’s statements are out there along with Hecker’s, this can’t hurt him.

  99. ladymadonna
    Jun 26th, 2009 at 12:14 am
    Well, I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t say Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m surprised by this statement since it has been pretty clear for days now that Adam wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t being entirely straight-up about his involvement in this project.
    Not sure I follow how you came to that conclusion, or agree with it, but…
    I think as a previous person on here said – if Hi-Fi had simply promoted this as his old stuff, all of us fans would probably have bought it, it’s the obfuscation and ‘We’re doing him a favor by releasing it’, it’s his ‘debut album’ that color it with sleaze…Someone in their PR department is sitting having his head chewed off by Hecker (or more likely given their seeming lack of budget, Hecker is chewing his own head off ?!

  100. FifthHouseSun
    Whoever this à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“anyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is, they apparently had the rights.

    Maybe that someone is Monte Pittman, and that’s why he has been silent. Seems almost the logical person to look at, considering he is the co-writer of the CV songs. I wonder if Adam has spoken to him lately. …Conspiracy theories! Conspiracy theories! lol

    weareallinnocent
    The statement may be inartful with respect to the language à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“heard by the public,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  but I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s more than fair to distinguish myspace from an official album release

    I agree. A myspace or FB page, particularly a page created by “a nobody” would, for the most part, be viewed only by those people on that individual’s “friends list”, and would be put up there essentially for networking and “show & tell” (i.e. “hey guys, check out, whaddya think?”).

    If it were a professionally-designed website created specifically for drumming up business (with a shopping cart, etc.), that would be another story, but a page created on a social networking site that contains personal info, spelling errors and profanity is not the same thing.

  101. I think it is very obvious that the reason why these tracks were not published in an album around the time these were created was because the artists were not yet celebrities. No record company picked these up and worked with the artists à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ the song writers and the singers à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ to polish the final product. So these are like introducing a new Haagen Daz flavor à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ these tracks need to be taken to the next level to fine tune this.

    But unfortunately for Adam à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ he developed a name that created a strong fan base and widespread public interest.

    Because of this à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ someone decided to make money from Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s new found fame and found a legal loophole to do that.

    You can publish in your personal website the recipe on how to make fabulous tasty pecan tequila ice cream but it will not automatically translate into a pint of edible ice cream in the nearby grocery chain just because it was on your Facebook.

    Personally, I think HiFi found a legal loophole thus they have the temerity to move forward with this. It works both ways à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ they now have to compensate the artists.

    So ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a personal call à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ if you think it would be worth to have this as part of Adam Lambert collection that you are now building up. By all means purchase the material.

    It is probably going be like buying a draft sketch of a painting by da Vinci . Although it got published in a way, when he showed it to other patrons, he did not mean it to be sold to the public like his masterpieces . But fanatic art collectors are buying da Vinci’s rough sketches for millions.

    For a perfectionist like Adam this must really be hard to take.

    After considering all that Adam has said on this matter, I personally have weighed that I will wait for the newly minted album.

    I would like to taste a perfected product first ,before I dabble in its prequel.

  102. As witnessed by what has happened since last Friday’s PR announcement from HiFi, the fans of Adam Lambert are supporting him. Those who have been on the fence are mostly slamming him along with the usual detractors.

    Any sane person who has at least a minscule knowledge of music can tell that the Citizen Vein songs are still in the demo stage (music almost drowns out vocals, bad guitar riffs, etc.) whether they have been on Youtube or his or anyone’s MySpace page. The 1 minute live homemade videos of some of the Citizen Vein songs clearly sound different from the demos that have been posted. And undoubtedly there are several versions of each song. The Citizen Vein were trying to get a recording contract and FAILED TO GET ONE. Since Wilshire Records obviously had the rights to the demos, they sold them to HiFi to get money for their company. This was done to The Beatles, Elvis Presley, Enimen, Shakira, Bush, etc. HiFi only released the track list today, and since these songs are not in the least similar to “Want” they undoubtedly decided to bump the other demos for the Citizen Vein demos. Remember Hecker said they had enough for 2 albums.

    And the silence of Monte Pittman is deafening.

  103. Animated, are you the CEO of Pixar? If you’re not, you should be; it’s the only way to do justice to your name and genius. Seriously, I love you! And would love to get together for a fabulous tasty pint of pecan tequila ice cream, if at all possible.

  104. Adam in my opinion and only mine should embrace the old stuff, he wrote it, sang it and believed in it at one time. I don’t think it will effect his career one way or the other but it is a part of who he is today. The fact that he is distancing himself from it is puzzling and I am not sure I understand why. Except maybe the perception of his persona on the show is different from what he actually was working on and doing before the show. In other words Mr. Idol Rockstar may not be such a rocker after all.

  105. Except maybe the perception of his persona on the show is different from what he actually was working on and doing before the show. In other words Mr. Idol Rockstar may not be such a rocker after all

    I think the CV stuff would show how rocking he is.

    See Crawl Thru Fire vid below.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXvSA6QL7Ac

    ETA=it’s been awhile since I watched that. It still impresses. This was done in Sept 08, so this is the kind of stuff he was working on.

  106. In regards to Crawl through the fire, not my cuppa, very theatrical and I don’t particularly like the song that much. That is not my idea of rock music it reminds me of a Broadway play but we will have to agree to disagree on this one I think.

  107. Adam was interested in many different genres pre-Idol, just like he’s now. Citizen Vein was pure rock. The Circle is my favorite CV song.

    If that “leaked” track list turns out to be true, “On With The Show” will be extremely schizophrenic, and not in a good way. In addition to being low-quality demos, the songs just don’t have much anything in common.

  108. In regards to Crawl through the fire, not my cuppa, very theatrical and I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t particularly like the song that much. That is not my idea of rock music it reminds me of a Broadway play but we will have to agree to disagree on this one I think.

    Yeah, that’s cool. I think rock has such a broad definition. I happen to really like this song and think his vocals are terrific. I like some theatrical rock, some pop rock and some grunge. It depends on my mood. I think Adam was correct when he said he should have listed session singer on his resume as opposed to theater. I think it’s a tough stereotype for him to throw off. Obviously with all of these vids out there and demos out there, it is clear that theater wasn’t the only thing he was into.

    ETA- which is why I think the CV stuff floating out there is good for Adam. It helps him shake off the theater label as it is clear he was putting his energies into other things as well. Even is the recordings are rough, they do have an edge to them. And his vocals will always be great.

  109. mahrikka
    The woman at the checkout stand had no clue who Adam was although she did seem quite impressed by the cover and took her sweet time placing it in the bag.

    weareallinnocent
    LOL The EXACT same thing happened to me when I bought it! Lots oà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ clueless, yet happy cashiers in our midst.

    LOL! It *finally* arrived here (I’m in Canada) yesterday – I bought two copies. When I put them down on the counter the gal said “Ummm so you want two copies of that?” I said brightly “YEP!!” I don’t think she had any idea who was on the cover. Then she asked if I’d like a bag and I said “YES! Don’t want them to get wet!” (it was raining yesterday). She said as she placed them in the bag “I put them in with the backs facing out so there will be less chance of the covers getting wet.” Clueless, but so thoughtful. Heh.

  110. I really don’t get all this “Adam is a liar” commentary. If you just think about it do you really think Adam is skulking around making sneaky deals to release old material that everyone has heard on YouTube anyway while he is on the verge of real life major label deal? Even if he wasn’t exactly sure who the deal would be with don’t you think that by the time May rolled around he is savvy enough to have known someone was going to be interested? Honestly like no one is having conversations with him at all? Not even hinting? What could he possibly have to gain by coming up with some shady deal? Oh yea, put a major label deal at risk to score a couple thousand with a company that had never bothered to go out on a limb for him before. It just doesn’t make any logical sense. None.

  111. Now the case may be that Adam wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t technically à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“lyingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  even though his statement(s) was false. It may have been a case ofà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ to use Watergate era languageà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ what he knew and when he knew it. Maybe he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know which songs HiFi had secured the rights to, and he actually thought they had just compiled into an album the ones in which his involvement was limited to session singing.

    Here’s the thing. If he didn’t deny the “Burning Man” pics why would he lie over this? So yes, I agree. I think his first statement seems to be in regards to “WANT” and “THE SHOW MUST GO ON” two tracks he did not write.

    Now that the full track has been leaked, Adam can address that. I think Heckler and Adam are both telling the truth. It may also be complicated for Adam because his friend, Monte Pittman, seems to be involved. There may be some personal stuff shaking down on this that obviously, we are not privy to.

    I still don’t think this is a big deal. As stated many times, many AI contestants have music floating out there.

    Adam hasn’t asked anyone to NOT buy this album. Does anyone know if there is a legal reason behind that? Maybe he doesn’t want to ask fans to boycott it because he doesn’t know what the finished product is going to sound like?

    Perhaps Monte is in the studio re-recording some of the guitar work, etc, and it might be good? If it turns out to be good, he might want people to listen to it.

    Either way, I don’t think this is a big deal.

  112. Rather than racing to defend Adam, I think the simple fact is that he was the singer on those demos and probably is better able to define what he did or didn’t do rather than a record executive with whom he had no relationship, and who was not in the studio with him while he was recording. Adam has clearly stated in interviews with media that he was gathering material together to submit to a record label, but no one would sign him without a following. (Most recently, in the Yahoo interview with Lyndsey Parker). If Adam had a relationship with anyone – from Hecker’s own releases – it was with Wilshire, not with Hifi. I suspect Hecker’s never even met Adam, but it doesn’t matter, why would one believe the executive with a third party relationship to the artist, rather than the artist? If anything, Adam’s run the opposite way, and been very unfiltered in the media. His statements about Hifi have that same quality, whether one believes they were written by RCA or not. Why the statements have to be personal from Adam, and not from an RCA spokesperson is puzzling, but whatever.

    I don’t suspect Adam is lying, and I don’t suspect Hifi of doing anything illegal. There are other questions, like why would Adam’s songs be marketed as his songs, rather than Citizen Vein songs. Whatever happened with CV, that has nothing to do with pointing a finger at Adam and saying “You’re lying!”

    It’s fine to not like Adam, or hate the songs, or think he’s a screeching drug-taking douche who’s a lying liar who lies. But I’d tend to believe the guy who lives an honest life v. a very clumsy-seeming record exec who changes his story with every press release. And I’m not singling Noctem out here, the media likes to play gotcha games. They thought they could “make” Adam say he was gay, now some media places seem to want to “catch” Adam in a lie. As Adam says, it all comes with the territory.

    edit: NO PERSONAL ATTACKS

  113. Adam hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t asked anyone to NOT buy this album. Does anyone know if there is a legal reason behind that?

    I’ve heard some theories that he can’t say that since it could be interpreted as obstruction of business. I have no idea, it sounds quite strange to me. Any legal experts here?

  114. So…now I feel bad about buying WANT. I think. Adam wasn’t super clear with his first statement. This one….crystal.

    I hope that RCA gets a single out there quick.

  115. In regards to Crawl through the fire, not my cuppa, very theatrical…

    This comment isn’t really in response to this quote in particular … It just reminded me of all the Michael Jackson clips I’ve been watching on TV tonight. Theatrical? Oh yes. And I love it. So much energy and excitement. IMO, there’s always a market for the theatrical. I doubt we’ll be seeing Adam singing “Crawl Through Fire” in the future, but I am very excited about where he’s heading next.

    Hopefully, this episode will go away soon and by July 5 be a distant memory. We’ll all be enjoying Muse, Bowie, Tears for Fears, Foghat, etc. on YouTube (or in person!!). Hi-Fi, who? ;)

  116. This was from @dishofsalt on twitter (from access hollywood):

    I Understand. The point was made to me that the more media reports on it the more HiFi gets attn and Adam doesnt want that

    I think the above proves (most) of the previous theories on why he kept quiet for so long.

    As an Adam fan (that does not look at him through rose-colored glasses), I believe Adam. The main reason is because Hi-fi messed up by trying to pretend that this is his new album and basically trick his AI fans into thinking that this is his major label release. Rolling out a single (and basically lying and saying that “Want” can be a smash radio hit.. but I guess that’s a different story.. hehe) by “leaking” it to the media by labeling it as his new single is lame. If they had just told people that they had some old stuff of Adam’s that they think his fans would enjoy, Hi-fi would not have gotten such a negative reaction. Instead, they got greedy and tried to capitalize on Adam’s AI fame.

    I’ve read elsewhere (was it at Perez?) that Adam seems ungrateful but that’s bs to me. Those old recordings did not make him famous. AI did and if he was ever ungrateful towards his fans from the show, then I would turn my back on him.

    Basically, Hi-Fi is a douche. =)

  117. webster
    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m an occamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s razor kind of person, anyway.

    “All things being equal, the simplest answer tends to be the right one.” That’s my favourite quote from the movie ‘Contact’! (and yes, I know the movie is not the origin). Very true.

  118. However, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Adam, on the other hand, who has at least made statements of questionable validity. And it just irks me that fans canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be fans without being open to the possibility that, maybe just maybe, their man got caught and it would have been better for him to come completely clean in the first place. In other words, perhaps be able to acknowledge that their Idol doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t walk on water and be able to come to terms with that factà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

    See, the problem I have with that type of “opinion” is that it accuses fans of making assumptions, ie Adam is always truthful, while you are making the exact opposite assumption (still an assumption unless you have some sort of inside knowledge we don’t), that he is guilty until proven innocent, in that case somehow he can’t simply say (as he has) that he found out this information in the same real time that we all did, instead you assume that there is a lie inherent in that and that he must have known more or sooner than we did. From his statements AND from Hecker’s own statements which blatantly said that RCA/19/Adam did not know about the Want release until the day it happened, I find that the claims that you are making are the ones of questionable validity. It’s fair to say you are just choosing to side with Hecker and believe his side of the story and many fans are choosing to believe Adam’s side of the story, that’s a choice but it doesn’t make your choice right and a fan’s choice wrong, we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

  119. Hello
    this is my first post here, I have lurked for a very long time and have enjoyed reading your posts, but this issue has made me finally come out of lurkdom.

    I just wanted to add something from the point of view of a singer. I have been a few different bands for over 13 years and have worked with different producers and sound engineers. I completely understand where Adam is coming from, and I do not think he has lied at all. He has simply experimented with song writing (with different co-writers) at different periods of his career. He has also earned a living by doing session work at different times in his career. It is unlikely he knew what was intended for the original HiFi release because he has so much different work floating around. I imagine that he didn’t even think the CV stuff would be on the HiFi album because that is stuff he did as a band, not as Adam Lambert.

    A demo is purely for working out ideas, experimenting with sound, and for sending out to record companies in hope that you might score that elusive but rare contract. My band had a myspace page and we put up demos to get feedback and let everyone hear our sound, so that they might begin to follow us and perhaps come to our gigs. I would be unhappy if they were realewsed as “the real thing”.

    Demos can be used to try and gain a bigger fanbase, its how the Artic Monkeys got their first record deal, spread by word of mouth through Myspace. Demos are to get your name out there, but demos are rarely of record release quality and this is where HiFi fall down, and where they are being less than fair to Adam and his fans by trying to sell them as finished products, with high production.values.

    I feel for Adam, because he has worked so hard for this and I think he has been honest. I hope this story disappears very soon. Adam has a stunning voice and amazing stage presence and that is what will matter in the end.

  120. Tony
    Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
    Adam said he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want these songs heard and yet they were on his MySpace page? Wow. Talk about a blow to his creditability.

    What?? I really don’t see this as a contradiction or a blow to his credibility. Putting some tracks on your own personal webpage (be it MySpace, Facebook, etc.) is in no way the same thing as releasing those tracks on a completed album for people to buy. Adam may have been hoping that someone from the industry heard those tracks and then contacted him about possibly recording an album. That’s a networking tool, not part of a contractual deal. It’s no different than if a writer blogs on Facebook, then finds out that all his/her previous blogs have been published into a book.

    Adam is/was allowed to put anything he wants on his personal MySpace page … that does not mean he wants that music released.

  121. I just wanted to add something from the point of view of a singer … A demo is purely for working out ideas, experimenting with sound, and for sending out to record companies in hope that you might score that elusive but rare contract. My band had a myspace page and we put up demos to get feedback and let everyone hear our sound, so that they might begin to follow us and perhaps come to our gigs. I would be unhappy if they were realewsed as à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“the real thingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

    Thanks, alfie. I’ve been really curious about how this whole situation looks from the perspective of someone who is in the music business themselves and has dealt with some of these same issues. Your comments make a lot of sense.

  122. I just wanted to add something from the point of view of a singer. I have been a few different bands for over 13 years and have worked with different producers and sound engineers. I completely understand where Adam is coming from, and I do not think he has lied at all. He has simply experimented with song writing (with different co-writers) at different periods of his career. He has also earned a living by doing session work at different times in his career. It is unlikely he knew what was intended for the original HiFi release because he has so much different work floating around. I imagine that he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even think the CV stuff would be on the HiFi album because that is stuff he did as a band, not as Adam Lambert.

    A demo is purely for working out ideas, experimenting with sound, and for sending out to record companies in hope that you might score that elusive but rare contract. My band had a myspace page and we put up demos to get feedback and let everyone hear our sound, so that they might begin to follow us and perhaps come to our gigs. I would be unhappy if they were realewsed as à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“the real thingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

    Demos can be used to try and gain a bigger fanbase, its how the Artic Monkeys got their first record deal, spread by word of mouth through Myspace. Demos are to get your name out there, but demos are rarely of record release quality and this is where HiFi fall down, and where they are being less than fair to Adam and his fans by trying to sell them as finished products, with high production.values.

    Thanks for sharing that from your perspective as a musician, that is very interesting to me as a fan but not someone who has ever dealt with the music industry in any professional fashion, I think it is easy for us to sit on the outside and not really understand the intricacies of what the technical differences of a demo, vs album quality track, vs live performance, etc, really means and parse the words of what Adam said to mean something he didn’t intend for them to mean so it is so helpful to hear it from other musicians to better understand. Glad you came out of lurkdom!

  123. Alfie – great post – glad you came out of “lurkdom”… lol What you have said is sincere and makes HONEST sense.

    I am a HUGE Adam fan – obsessed and proud of it – absolutely love the dude on sooooo…. many different levels (a sure sign methinks of his pure stardom). Because of this I have watched his AI performances over, and over and yet over again. I have signed up to forums and fan bases and read everything little thing I can find on him and over a period of time I have gleaned and got a vibe from as many sources as possible, that – gosh wait for it – Adam is actually a really nice guy! The general consensus by people that know him (and I don’t claim to know him), that have worked with him in the past (and now currently), his persona on the show of sheer wanting to please the audience, the goofy smile straight afterwards and then patiently listening to the judges critiques (which were rare), his professionalism, his humbleness, his attention to detail and perfectionism of his craft, his willingness to help other AI contenstants – well golly gosh – are all genuine.

    What disturbs me with the whole HIFI thing is that they (HIFI) chose to first and foremost a) release the “single” Want and then called the upcoming “new album” by the title of On With the Show – the ONLY 2 names on their later “leaked” (yeah right) released track list – the only 2 track names that DIDN’T have Adam as co-writer? I, personally, find that a tad strange and very, ver-ay pre-conceived, deliberate and manipulative! How can Adam respond to the very 2 things that don’t have his name on it – yep, initially he said “I was just a paid session singer” – correct! with regard to those 2 tracks – nothing dishonest with that statement that I can see. Today, only after he got to see the album tracklist did he respond with the statement on this blog – correct again – also can’t see anything dishonest with 2nd statement.

    IMHO Adam has responded to HIFI with honesty and integrity with regard to HIS real time events and the time-line that has been in play over recent days. I mean come on, you think this dude is sitting around these days twiddling his thumbs going “yawn” what shall I do next? – I’m surprised with the schedule of rehearsing for the tour and creating/recording his new album and the interviews and the press, that he has time to even sleep! and somewhere in the middle of all of this – HIFI (who openly admitted that they hadn’t given any forewarning) drop their wee bombshell….

    From many accounts Adam has the entire industry (not just the rest of the world) buzzzzzzing….. with an-tic-i-pation of his real “new” album. He has constantly said how excited he is to show us who HE is and what HIS real music is all about – this, all way before HIFI and their tacky cash-in scheme hit cyberspace.

    Like all aspiring artists – Adam has spent most of his life refining his talent and searching for his big break – and you know what – American Idol has given him that – NOT HIFI!

    To Adam’s fans – keep the faith. To the haters and the negative posters – just for once, try putting yourself in his shoes – really, truly – ask yourselves, how would YOU cope under this sort of pressure, how would YOU handle it? – my guess is with a great deal less integrity and honesty. That is why Adam is the star and you are not!

    ADAM ROCKS – HIFI SUX!!!!

    (sorry, got a little negative myself there – humble apologies – just sick to death of the Adam bashing)

    PS:- Alfie – thank you again for inspiring me to post…

  124. When he released the first statement, “Want” and “On With The Show” were the only tracks he knew HiFi had and those were the product of session singing. He didn’t co-write either of them. And most of other songs on that album were written for Citizen Vein. I don’t think he knew they would release his old band’s songs as his solo work.

    It doesn’t matter whether he co-wrote or not. The bottom line is he never meant for those songs to be released as a his debut solo album for people to buy. And obviously, he doesn’t feel like it is his best work and it doesn’t reflect where he is musically right now. It’s not really hard to understand why he says he is disappointed with this situation.

  125. This is a very “lively” thread. I don’t think Adam or his management is lying; they may have not been appraised of all the details they needed to know when the statements were issued. Or, perhaps the piece meal statements do not give the public the entire view, hence the confusion. But as of the moment, it looks as if Hi-Fi still has an ace on its sleeve, otherwise, lawsuits would have been filed left and right.

    Besides, Adam is never embarrassed by anything. He would not Adam anymore if he starts claiming otherwise. His works might have been rough on the edges, and I understand his concern. But these works are a part of his past. Given that these are just “rough drafts” and might not be what I expect to hear, and I might get a little disappointed. But the real disappointment would be if I learn that Adam did not give his best when he made these songs.

  126. Hi Susan M.
    Just run a business that requires me to straddle three different continents. I find it enlightening not only for the business but also for my personal understanding to be in virtual community like MJ’s blog. Pretty interesting folks .

    Also ,by a stroke of great luck – my family and I had discovered the new sound of Adam Lambert. We have recently listened to and watched new singers , entertainers and music artists from three different continents but there is no one like Adam . Thus this keen interest in his music. We believe that if we find something really good, we should enjoy it . We are not music critics just music lovers. We would like to find the best in what is offered to us .

    If the artist, like in Adam’s case, is not fully satisfied with his past work. It is his prerogative. And we are happy that he is making a judgment call on his own work. This means he will continually strive for excellence. This can only mean nothing but fantastic music for us who look forward to his work.

  127. Animated – love your post – last para particularly.

    I live in NZ and have to follow Adam via cyberspace. For me it is currently just after 10.00pm on Friday NIGHT, 26th of June and I’ve gotta say I can’t believe how active this thread is right now considering time frame in US.

    It is always so weird for me – the US (in parts) is just waking up to my day that for me is just about to end…lol

    And yet – the internet – any news about Adam is only seconds away…

    WOW!

  128. This whole saga disturbs me mainly because people are believing that Adam lied. Adam never lied, he knew what we knew when we knew it.
    We heard first that Want was Adam’s debut single from On with the Show. Adam said he recorded those as a session singer and they were not his songs. True.

    Then Hi Fi types up a memo for TMZ on Tuesday showing all the tracks, and indicating that Want and On with the Show are 100% written by someone else (and we heard proof that Want was actually released by someone else). They also list songs that WE ALREADY KNEW were written by Adam and Monte, mostly as Citizen Vein.

    Adam sees the list when we see the list and says, yes I wrote those. True.

    Adam says they’re demos – which WE ALREADY KNEW. We’ve heard them all over the web, myspace, youtube. True.

    Adam did not have a recording contract when he signed on for AI. True. Which means anything he recorded was a DEMO.

    In a nutshell, Adam has not lied to us. Whether or not we choose to buy these songs that Adam does not want to represent him, is up to us.

    For me, if Adam says me no likey, I won’t buy! Don’t need to anyway, I already have most of them.

  129. Also, I would really like to know why Monte is not weighing in.

    Monte might be quiet because he’s been asked to be by Adam/RCA. Their tactic seems to be mostly ignore the issue so that it won’t get more press. A fight with two sides arguing back and worth would get more media attention than the current situation. It makes sense for Monte to be part of the tactic, and I think he’s in London with Madonna at the moment anyway.

  130. A short statement was probably necessary at this point to clarify his initial statement that he was only a vocalist for hire on these recordings. Obviously it was a little more than that.

    To me, the initial statement was about WANT, a demo written by someone else and performed and released by a different artist.

    Adam’s new statement is in response to the news that HiFi is releasing the CV songs, which he did co-write.

    There’s nothing contradictory in his statements, imo.

  131. The songs on this album are obviously unfinished and unpolished peaces not meant for release in their current form. Adam obviously had no idea of the tracks on the album until TMZ leaked them, that alone should tell us everything about this ambush.

    Base on what I gleam from Ada’s statement I shan’t be buying the album. I have most of those songs on my Ipod anyway, the only reason I would buy it would be in support of Adam, support that his statement makes clear he feels should be reserved for the RCA issue.

    When it’s all said and done, this will blow over and be forgotten. Michael Jackson’s death took with it any chance whatsoever of this becoming the story HIFI wished it to be. It’s over I think.
    If the fans boycott this album it will die a swift and well deserved death.

    Adam’s future, as i stands today, rests only on the equality of The RCA album.

  132. A lot of people are making hay out of the fact Hi Fi is releasing this rather than Wiltshire Records. Wiltshire is no sleazier than Hi Fi if you think profitting off Adam’s earlier work at this juncture is amoral but it’s just business.

    Albums and songs are bought and sold in the entertainment industry all the time, movies too and if you sign away your rights, you can never know who is going to be selling the end product. Just like RCA could buy all this stuff up and problem solved.

    Astute of noctem seizure to note Adam’s contradiction as some of this so- called rough draft material never meant for public consumption was indeed sitting on his MySpace for public consumption. Let’s bet that Hi-Fi points that out? Because clearly some of those tracks represented to Adam his signature style right up to and during this season of American Idol. The point of an artist having a MySpace is to sell yourself and your music and presumably you pick the tracks that best represent who you are in hopes of catching someone’s attention and landing a deal if not a large enough fanbase to create some buzz.

    In the end I do agree HiFi played this all the wrong way if their goal is to make money. They could have made more money being honest. Even if Adam had in fact recorded a rough album for Wiltshire that got shelved for whatever reason – do we know when Adam stopped working with Wiltshire by the way – they should have sold it as we have early Adam tracks and demos and we’re selling it to you. Not this is Adam’s first album and this is his first single promotional sleight of hand.

  133. FifthHouseSun
    Whoever this à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“anyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is, they apparently had the rights.

    Maybe that someone is Monte Pittman, and thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s why he has been silent. Seems almost the logical person to look at, considering he is the co-writer of the CV songs. I wonder if Adam has spoken to him lately. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Conspiracy theories! Conspiracy theories! lol

    ITA…as someone else has said, his silence is deafening! Someone has sold Adam out and I hate to think it’s someone like Monte who he worked so closely with but who else makes any sense?

  134. I haven’t read all the comments, but I’m sure that Adam put the music on his myspace because it was his only music. He was still trying to establish himself as an artist, and while the point is to have your music discovered, it doesn’t mean that he wasn’t hoping that a label might have smoothed out some of the rough edges on the songs or made the quality better.

    He doesn’t say in his statement that these cowritten demos are something that he’s ashamed of or that don’t reflect his style-he just says they were rough drafts.

    The music business can be rough, and admittedly I’m an Adam fan, but this situation seems to genuinely have taken him by surprise.

  135. This discussions doesn’t change how much i like Adam’s music and my respect for his person. Hi Fi should just have said that they have the pre-idol materials of Adam and will released a compilation, some we have heard in youtube and others not. This vs. claiming that it is Adam’s first CD.

    Anyway, i decided to buy his music and help build his fan base. I just hope and pray that all these die down so Adam can move forward in this career.

    Ciao :-)

  136. Honestly this whole situation is not that big a deal except to those who want to see some hidden agenda in Adam. Yes he has an agenda but it was never hidden. Apparently all information was not disclosed to him, now that it has been he has addressed it and I still don’t see how this will hurt his career. The only thing that can hurt Adam is if he sucks on this tour and his first ‘new’ single is garbage. I pray neither of those happen because we need someone like Adam that push barriers and will try to take music and showmanship to another level.

    We lost a great showman yesterday, hopefully someone like Adam can fill some of the gaping whole Michael Jackson left behind.

    RIP Michael

  137. I agree, it is about timing, and knowledge, and attention, and memory to some extent. Maybe even a little about beliefs — about what you’re prior bandmates or colleagues might be willing to do. At bottom, as I said, whether someone has “come completely clean” has more to do with what a person knows when he speaks that what he actually says. If he is conscious that what he’s saying is untrue when he speaks, it’s fair to call it a lie. Anything else — if he’s mistaken, misremembering, or doesn’t know — it’s not.

    Heckler is at a distinct advantage in how this story plays out, as he’s apparently holding all the cards. He knows what he intends to release and how he intends to release it, this is the focus of his waking hours at this point, it is what he’s working on at the moment, and his entire marketing plan centers around free press. So he is uniquely positioned to craft this story, or change it at will, and he’s a man with a mission so he’s focused. Adam is not working on producing HiFi’s album, he has a few other things on his plate right now to fill his days.

    If Adam is guilty of anything, it’s wrongly assuming his colleagues had no plans to (and never would) agree to compile and release his old work for profit under his (Adam’s) name. And, perhaps, he spoke too soon and too broadly in his initial statement, again assuming he knew the type of work that HiFi had purchased (and that Wilshire had full rights to and sold.)

    FWIW, I’ve said, in this thread and others, that I believe there is a rational story (and time) line that will accommodate the statements of both Adam and Heckler. I’ve also said that I try to view a situation like this from the outset assuming everyone is speaking truth as they know it, not that one is outright lying and the other tells complete and whole truths. In my experience more often than not, if a complete story is ever known, the situation proves to be the former not the latter.

    I will agree with those who would like to hear from Monte Pittman, but I do not believe we will.

  138. See, the problem I have with that type of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“opinionà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is that it accuses fans of making assumptions, ie Adam is always truthful, while you are making the exact opposite assumption (still an assumption unless you have some sort of inside knowledge we donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t), that he is guilty until proven innocent, in that case somehow he canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t simply say (as he has) that he found out this information in the same real time that we all did, instead you assume that there is a lie inherent in that and that he must have known more or sooner than we did.
    From his statements AND from Heckerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s own statements which blatantly said that RCA/19/Adam did not know about the Want release until the day it happened, I find that the claims that you are making are the ones of questionable validity. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fair to say you are just choosing to side with Hecker and believe his side of the story and many fans are choosing to believe Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s side of the story, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a choice but it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make your choice right and a fanà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s choice wrong, weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll just have to agree to disagree.

    Great post brin– thank you for describing my feelings exactly!

  139. @ alfie
    Great first post! Thanks for the working musicianà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s viewpoint you gave us.

    I agree. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

  140. Poor Adam. I feel so bad for him. He actually found out abt the track list online like me. maybe i saw it first. wld it have killed hifi to give him a heads up in all this. maybe they wld have been able to resolve this better. no decency at all. I keep wondering who in their right mind, even the very rich and established artists, wldn’t want to make a few more bucks from their work. so why wld Adam not want to make money if indeed he is. so obviously it’s not that straight forward.

  141. Noctem:

    Adam is probably perfectly capable of lying if he feels it’s necessary, as most of us are, but I don’t see why it’s hard to believe that he really didn’t know until very recently that not all the songs on this CD were Want-like demos that he had no part in writing. It sounds like he recorded a number of such demos for them, and he probably assumed that the rest of the CD would be full of those (esp. since it makes no sense, cohesion-wise, to have Want as the single for an album full of his Citizen Vein stuff). I suppose you could argue that he should have made absolutely sure of what was going on the CD before making an initial statement about it, but that’s a far cry from any kind of purposeful deception–and again, assuming that the rest of the CD was full of songs like Want seems perfectly reasonable to me, since that’s what Hecker was saying too.

    It’s entirely possible to believe that Adam is telling the truth here, based on what he knows and when he knows it, without either deifying Adam or demonizing Hecker (who does seem like louse, but it doesn’t matter at this point).

    But: this is not a big deal, and it never was, and a lot of fans have been worrying unnecessarily.

  142. Well I dont think anyone knocked him over the head and drug him into a recording studio and forced him to record and sign documents. He’s a big boy and this situation existst because of his own actions. I dont feel the whole “Poor Adam” stuff. Besides, as others have said here, other than his die hard fans, nobody knows about it or cares about it.

  143. alfie, I agree with you completely. Thank you for you point of you as a musician, It was most enlightening, and highly appreciated.

  144. If Adam is guilty of anything, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wrongly assuming his colleagues had no plans to (and never would) agree to compile and release his old work for profit under his (Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s) name. And, perhaps, he spoke too soon and too broadly in his initial statement, again assuming he knew the type of work that HiFi had purchased (and that Wilshire had full rights to and sold.)

    I cannot agree with this. It makes no sense to me. The colleagues cannot decide to release Adam’s old work on their own. It doesn’t work that way. If they tried a stunt like that, Adam would have a case to stop this release. Remember the “Crazy” story? One songwriter was willing to let Idols sing it while the other was not? Guess what? Idols can’t sing it on the show. Each party has a veto power (until the contracts are signed granting rights to third parties).

    I’m sorry, but if Adam’s bandmates sold the rights to these songs to Wilshire, then Adam was in on the deal (IMO). Remember earlier in the week when some people were posting that HiFi was surreptitiously forcing songwriting credits onto Adam for some piece of dreck song he only suggested a note change on while he was recording the demo? Turns out they were songs he wrote and was proud to have on his myspace. Songs that many of his fans already loved and would post as proof of Adam’s song writing skills.

    As far as I can tell from this chain of statements, HiFi/Wilshire have their ducks in a row (all the correct licenses for what they are doing since nobody is trying to sue them or stop them) and that they have been telling the truth all along. I have no reason to disbelieve them and I will be cautious of believing how people are interpreting facts not in evidence.

    I don’t think anything nefarious is going on here. Adam and his friends sold something to Wilshire. Wilshire sold that stuff to HiFi. Now, HiFi would like to sell it to us.

  145. Yes, they have tried to exploit his fame for financial gain, but the substance of the statements they have made have been truthful. Whereas Adam lied about the extent of his involvement in the project and about how he never wanted the songs to be heard by the public (strange decision to put them on his myspace, then)à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

    He didn’t lie. He just didn’t know that these songs were involved. He was talking about the song they’d mentioned and other songs in that group, which he figured were the ones they meant.

    And the ones on his myspace weren’t these demos either. They were live versions of the songs that are in these demos — that’s really not the same thing at all. Particularly when somebody’s as interested in production and, especially, electronic production as Adam is, the version of a song that’s on a recording makes a big difference.

    And doesn’t what you call the “strange decision” to put the *songs* — in different versions than were in the demos — on myspace prove this point? He’s disavowing the demo recordings, not the songs.\

    Honestly, I don’t see how any of this hurts anybody. Yeah, Hi/Fi/Wilshire are releasing stuff that he never meant to be released, but obviously he signed some of the rights away — also understandable — so they *can*, and in this business climate in the music industry everybody is doing everything they can to make every dime they can. So it’s not exactly outlandish behavior on their part.

    And for Adam/RCA/19 — Well, by the time this stuff gets out there (if it does — I’m still not sure we know that they actually have the rights to release all this stuff, rather than just leaking a track list of what they plan to release), everybody will know that it’s early stuff. And nobody that I know of expects an artists’ early, pre-signing stuff to be tremendously indicative of what they’ll do later. So I don’t see how it would hurt an upcoming major-label release at all.

    It still seems like a tempest in a teacup to me.

  146. Wilshire sold that stuff to HiFi. Now, HiFi would like to sell it to us.

    Could these be the “friends” Adam mentioned in the Today Show interview who were suddenly coming out of the woodwork?

  147. @wiccagirl2009

    Anyway, i decided to buy his music and help build his fan base. I just hope and pray that all these die down so Adam can move forward in this career

    Adam ´s fans are not buying. Take a look at his adamofficial site.

  148. I have considered all angles of this controversy and think it is only right that Adam be given the benefit of the doubt unless/until proven wrong, just the reverse of your beliefs, noctemà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦to each his own.******

    I agree with this.

  149. You people can argue all you want until you’re blue in the face.. but the situation seems pretty simple to me.à £Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€š ¬If you want to buy it, buy it. If you don’t, don’t.

  150. Carly Smithson was in the same position last season. She would have liked to have her old Carly Hennessy cd disappear but she didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have the power to do that either.

    OF course, there, I would say that the difference probably is that her album was a darned good album! To me, it was way better than most of the stuff she did on AI. The album’s what mainly convinced me that Carly’s got a really killer voice and could be great. And then she tightened her throat and unsuccessfully tried to do rock screams and forgot all her technique on Idol — and didn’t look so hot. To me, anyway.

    In my opinion, she should have promoted the first album heavily while she was on the show — it would have sold a lot more people on her, I think! (doubt that Adam’s demos will have quite the same effect … nevertheless, I doubt that they have inferior *singing* on them, either!)

  151. Just can’t wait for the “real” cd to come out this fall!!! feel bad that someone decided to make a buck off his newfound fame.

  152. I cannot agree with this. It makes no sense to me. The colleagues cannot decide to release Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s old work on their own. It doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t work that way.

    That’s not what I meant Kirsten. When Adam relinquished his rights is anyone’s guess. Maybe he did it at the inception of his CV demo recordings. Maybe he signed his rights over to his bandmates. But I do not believe there’s any evidence to conclude that Adam et al have been in dealings to sell his rights to his prior work in very recent days or weeks. That, it seems to me, was done awhile ago.

    What I meant was that Adam knew he had tons of work out there, most of which was unfinished, some of which he worked on with others who may still be holding rights. My thoughts go that Adam did not imagine that those folks would sell their collective demo work to an outfit that planned to release it on an “Adam Lambert” album. And, I think it’s fair (yet maybe naive) for someone in his position to believe that there are more Fonzarelli types who might put their old collective works up for free listening and ripping, but not sell it for mass formal publication. I also think it’s fair that if he suspected any release of CV material may be coming, it would be under the band’s name not his.

    Sorry if I’m not being clear. It’s making sense in my head. Sometimes the written word, without discourse, can be limiting when making a point. Just ask Adam. :-)

  153. *****You people can argue all you want until youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re blue in the face.. but the situation seems pretty simple to me.à £Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€š ¬If you want to buy it, buy it. If you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t, donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t.****

    I think now people are questioning Adam’s character more so than ‘should I buy or should I not buy’. I don’t care if people buy it or not, I still have not decided if I will, but to question Adam’s character and deem him a liar based on limited information seems to be a bigger issue for me.

  154. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s disavowing the demo recordings, not the songs.

    He should disavow some of those songs too. That Pop Goesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. is horrendous.

    Pretty sure he doesn’t agree with you about that. lol.

  155. I sure hope Adam does something today to get people talking about ANYTHING but this. Obsessiveness leads to more obsession. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s time to obsess about something else obsession worthy.

    No one is talking about this except us, and die hard Idol Adam fans. The whole world is busy talking about Michael Jackson, even the #Iranelection can’t get a look in; Trust me on this, I’ve been looking for news on it all day, and even the Arabic networks are talking MJ.

    This Adam story, IMO, is effectively dead. Unless HIFI does something to bring it back to the surface in the next few days, this story is effectively dead. On with the tour.

    For anyone interested, video of Access Hollywood and MTV Adam tour rehearsal interviews can be found here: http://adamdaily.com

  156. if 19/RCA had any – ANY – way to stop this release, you know they would. Agreed with Kirsten – this release must be legit. By “legit” I mean, Adam signed papers at some point. Period. No one sold him out, and HiFi/Wiltshire must have legitimate right to release the material.

    Even so, I actually think Adam is too smart to lie so blatantly. I think he probably did a bunch of session work for other people, and assumed that these were the recordings being released. Or, once he saw the track list and went back through contracts he signed while recording these demos, and realized he signed away more control than he thought. Don’t know. I do know that if this could be stopped, it would… and I am surprised that no one in his camp even tried to stop it.

    The fact no one has tried to stop them means, it must be LEGIT.

  157. The big mystery here is why they released Want as a first single! :rolleyes_tb:

    Also, the assumption that Hi-Fi has the right to CV songs is based on a leaked memo. I don’t know how reliable that information is.

  158. The fact no one has tried to stop them means, it must be LEGIT.

    Not necessarily……it could also mean they don’t feel it’s worth their while to bother trying to stop it.

  159. @Squirrely

    “I think now people are questioning Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s character more so than à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢should I buy or should I not buyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢.”

    Haven’t people argued about this already? I don’t see what anyone has to gain out of continuing it, unless you just like a debate. Really, though, you’re all starting to sound like broken records here.

  160. My perspective is this:

    Hecker released “Want”, said the rest of the “album”, titled “On With the Show” would sound similar. Hecker indicated that he had not informed 19E or Adam of what he was up to. “I guess they know now” Hecker said last Friday.

    Adam responded to the information he had. “Want”, “On With the Show” and any “similar sounding” songs Hecker has his hands on are clearly demos, session singing on songs that sound like nothing else we know of Adam, utterly unrelated to any of the musical influences he’s indicated, unrelated to his peformances on Idol, unrelated to Citizen Vein.

    Yesterday a “leaked” “memo” shows up with a track list and “artist credits”, all carefully spun. Adam responded to the new information.

    It’s not about deifying Adam. It’s simply that we don’t have any evidence that Adam lied. What we do have is our knowledge of Adam from the way he treated people on the show, his attitude in interviews, and what people who have worked with him or met him say about him. Doesn’t mean we’re insiders, or that we have profound insight into his character. But I don’t yet have any reason to believe that he is lying. Leaving some things out? Yeah, sure. Obviously. But lying? I don’t have reason to believe that. Not yet.

    We do have evidence that Hecker lied, that he is sneaky and devious and certainly not invested in Adam as an artist. Much as I’m irritated by the parsing of the word “heard” into oblivion, and the back-and-forth debate about the merits and meaning of music on MySpace, my real disgust is reserved for Hecker, who should have been honest and upfront in the first place.

    This is a dirty business. There aren’t any heroes. But there is definitely a villain.

    I hope Adam can take Madonna’s advice, and keep his eyes on the prize. I hope he takes Katy Perry’s advice, too, and holds close to the people who loved him before all of this started, and who will love him even if all of this ends. Because if he does, we’re in for the quite the ride.

    edit: do not question the motives of your fellow posters

  161. The fact no one has tried to stop them means, it must be LEGIT.

    Not necessarilyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦it could also mean they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t feel ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s worth their while to bother trying to stop it.

    True, clearone – great point. I stand corrected, there.

    Just to add: I don’t see this as a “character issue” for Adam. Not at all. I hope he makes a few bucks from it and continues on to massive worldwide success.

  162. I agree with Kirsten too-I don’t see anything nefarious in this. I think both sides are telling the truth, but Adam probably wishes this stuff wouldn’t be released ahead of his big debut. He would probably like more input in the final product as well since his name is attached to it.

    The way I see it, Hi Fi said they had a CD and a single called Want. Adam said, I did some session work on some tracks, this doesn’t reflect my musicial direction. Then the track list was leaked. Adam saw that, realized that some music he had cowritten and had probably signed away the rights to (to Wilshire in the hopes of a record deal w/ CV) was going to be on the final product, and that he wasn’t going to have any say over how that final product would look, and he stated that he was disappointed. I’m still not reading that he is embarrassed of the stuff that he co-wrote.

    I don’t assume either party is lying, but the inverse is true for those saying fans need to be unbiased and assume he is lying. Non fans might want to consider that he isn’t lying.

  163. Thanks Sunn for that link. I really enjoyed the behind-scenes vid they showed of Adam at his official site yesterday too. I’m going to an Adam-happy place now. :wub_tb:

    I’m not interested in this argument any more. I may or may not buy this early music, but do not plan to download it illegally either way, as said before, because I don’t feel good about “not compensating” the other artists involved with the product. My final comment about this issue is that I am one fan who does not believe Adam is lying, and not because I think he’s infallible. I too believe he was caught off-guard by this track list with the CV songs. The execs were clear that they did not approach 19E beforehand with any of this. It isn’t nice that they did it this way, but Alfie explained how demos work (thanks), and this is clearly how the music business is. When Adam’s fabulous new album comes out, this is what will matter. For now, I strongly believe his tour performances are going to blow everyone away and soon that will be what everyone is talking about. I’m done with this topic.

  164. Aww, poor little Adam, NOT. He is backpedaling because he doesn’t want people to believe that he would actually make music like these songs he wrote. He is now and has always been a poser.

  165. The big mystery here is why they released Want as a first single!

    This is just total speculation, but didn’t Heckler say he had enough for two CDs?

    Perhaps they were going to lead with a CD full of demos and thought they would sell like hotcackes (for a short time). Then, they were going to drop a second album of “stuff he wrote” in the fall (to catch the wave of publicity he was going to do anyway….and if you liked that other crap, here is even better stuff!). I can kind of see how that might have worked (if the fans had treated it like “ooohh! more Adam stuff. Shiny!” instead of “Hey, these guys are destroying Adam’s career!”).

    They simply changed strategies. Even the big labels keep tinkering with the mix of songs on a CD right up until the very last minute. That’s probably one of the reasons that track listings only leak about two weeks before a CD is in the stores (that’s the last possible moment they can decide and still have time to print the CD covers and ship them to the stores in time).

    Anyway, it’s WAG at what was going on.

  166. I’m a non-fan (gasp) and I don’t know that either side is lying. I found HiFi’s first statement so carefully worded that it seemed to me that they had crossed their T’s and dotted their I’s. I think they are in business to make money and that’s exactly what they’re trying to do. I think Adam has been reacting to the situations that come up as they come up. I don’t see that as lying either.

    I said I was a non-fan. I would like to clarify that statement to be that I’m a non-fan of his music and his voice. I think the man is awesome and wish him well.

  167. *******Aww, poor little Adam, NOT. He is backpedaling because he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want people to believe that he would actually make music like these songs he wrote. He is now and has always been a poser.*******

    I love those songs, and would be thrilled if they show up on his later albums especially Pop Goes the Camera.

  168. For anyone interested, video of Access Hollywood and MTV Adam tour rehearsal interviews can be found here: http://adamdaily.com

    Thank you for that. It shows all ten being interviewed. It’s no wonder everyone wants to interview Adam. He is so charismatic and articulate. The others need to learn from him.

  169. Thanks for that link, Sunn! I also really like Pop Goes the Camera–it’s a bit like very early Scissor Sisters.

  170. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sorry, but if Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s bandmates sold the rights to these songs to Wilshire, then Adam was in on the deal (IMO).

    Kirsten– how can you be certain of this?
    Is it not possible that Adam signed his rights over to the rest of Citizen Vein, or even to Monte Pittman alone last fall?

    If he did they could have in turn sold them to Wilshire without his being aware of it.

    It is at least a possibility.

  171. The thing about 19Evil is they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t give a fuck. If they have ANY financial angle, they are on top of it. In the case, of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“On With The Showà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , you can believe they have looked and concluded that they have none.

    I believe (hallelujah). I don’t even blame them either. They are in business to make money. The minute they discount business for somebody’s story is the minute they let down their stockholders. I just don’t find them so very evil. They would be evil to those who matter to their bottom line (those investing in this company) to do anything differently. Yup, it’s a cold, hard world…

  172. SparklesATL
    Jun 26th, 2009 at 9:14 am

    I have considered all angles of this controversyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    Why? And why is it a controversy?

    I should have put quotes around the word “controversy” as I was just replying to the post of another. Not a controversy to me at all.

  173. Yes. Yes, a thousand times over. As I said in a thread a couple days ago this is the company that, via American Idol, milked Josiah Lemingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s backstory (homeless, lived in his car, mother in hospice dying of cancer) for all the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“good televisionà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  that it was worthà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ not to mention his penchant for breaking down and crying on television (more à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“good TVà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ), then cut him in the last cut of Hollywood week, and still threatened to sue him when he signed with Atlantic without observing their à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“mandatory waiting periodà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  (before you can sign with another company after trying out for Idol).”

    A couple of clarifications (things always do seem to get twisted).

    Josiah wasn’t “really” homeless. He chose to “live” in his car as he was wandering the earth looking for someplace to sing and someone to buy his music. His mother may have been under “hospice care” but from everything I know she was still in her home….she wasn’t penniless or destitute. Josiah could have “worked” a normal 9 to 5 job, but he chose to seek his musical fortune rather than be a “grunt” doing something he obviously didn’t enjoy.

    Also, everyone who signs to audition on AI signs the exact same contract, and everyone in the industry knows what contract these AI hopefuls sign. Why give Josiah a pass when they don’t do that for every other auditioner. To me the contract seems overkill, but then, from what I gather is the unscrupulous nature of the industry I can see 19s point. They are “protecting” a brand and have every right to do so.

    I can just see all of the “Hollywood” contestants signing with recording companies months before the Idol finalists have even finished the show. And unscrupulous recording companies would be inundating the market leaving little room for the actual “winners” come fall.

    As ALWAYS there are ALWAYS two sides to a story. It always comes down to the fact of how you want to interpret it.

  174. Well, I haven’t really commented since this whole thing went down, and the one lasting impression I have about this whole mess…in a perfect world, it would be nice to retain the legal rights to all of your creative endeavors, whether you are famous or not. Or at least hook up with investors who will have your back. I don’t know if Adam’s trying to totally disavow the stuff he actually had a hand in writing. That’s kind of unclear in his statement. But regardless of how he really feels about the work he did on each individual song, it is clear that it’s not Adam’s wish to piecemeal together all of these early recordings and release it as a finished album. These people obviously think they found a way to make an easy buck off of stuff that would otherwise be sitting around gathering dust if Adam had the final say. I am not buying that their belief in the music is their motivating factor, lolz. But whatever. In the grand scheme of things, it’s not really going to matter much.

  175. I just heard an interview with Adam, where he talks about the synth sound of his Bowie medley on the Tour and the kind of music he plans to make for the *real* album.

    I am SO excited at the thought of leaving this Hi-Fi business behind and moving onto his 19/RCA album, the one that really exemplifies where he is today.

  176. lefil
    Jun 26th, 2009 at 9:47 am
    @Squirrely

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I think now people are questioning Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s character more so than à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢should I buy or should I not buyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    Havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t people argued about this already? I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see what anyone has to gain out of continuing it, unless you just like a debate. Really, though, youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re all starting to sound like broken records here.

    Lefil I think this whole conversation can rest.

  177. Kirsten- how can you be certain of this?
    Is it not possible that Adam signed his rights over to the rest of Citizen Vein, or even to Monte Pittman alone last fall?

    I’m not claiming I’m certain of this. It’s just my opinion (that’s why I flagged it as IMO). I’m no expert on this stuff. It just seems to make sense to me.

    And, to me, it’s immaterial if Adam signed his rights over to the rest of Citizen Vein/Monte Pittman or Wilshire itself. If Adam signed his rights over to his friends, what did he expect his friends to do with those rights? Burn the sheets they were written on to heat the house when the power company turned off their heat for lack of payment? No, he would have signed over those rights so that his friends could use them to make money. They may have even paid him for those rights. IDK.

    In any event, it seems that Wilshire or CV or Monte are completely within their rights and I don’t have a problem with them trying to make some money. Why should they make less money by waiting a year or two? I guess it comes down to the fact that I don’t think that this will hurt Adam, so who cares if it helps somebody else? I don’t see this as a zero sum game. I think there can be a lot of winners.

    Also, everyone who signs to audition on AI signs the exact same contract, and everyone in the industry knows what contract these AI hopefuls sign. Why give Josiah a pass when they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t do that for every other auditioner. To me the contract seems overkill, but then, from what I gather is the unscrupulous nature of the industry I can see 19s point. They are à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“protectingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  a brand and have every right to do so.

    I can’t speak for Noctem, but what I think he was getting at was that 19E/RCA aren’t above holding people to contracts either, so why do I get the impression that they are being portrayed white hats while HiFi/Wilshire are being seen as the black hats.

    I think that everybody in the biz wears grey hats. They are in this to make money. Sometimes, one person’s interest do not align with another’s. Kris might sell more CDs if Adam graciously decides to wait until next fall to release his album, but I would never suggest for a moment that Adam should act so completely against his own interests. That’s why I can’t fault HiFi for releasing this album now.

  178. suebrody
    Jun 26th, 2009 at 10:52 am
    I just heard an interview with Adam, where he talks about the synth sound of his Bowie medley on the Tour and the kind of music he plans to make for the *real* album.

    I am SO excited at the thought of leaving this Hi-Fi business behind and moving onto his 19/RCA album, the one that really exemplifies where he is today.

    I guess I have inherent problems with a “synth sound” when the normal sound is oh so very much better. What exactly about Adam’s voice needs to be synthed? Why would he even need to do that? Why would he even want to? I just guess I have problems with the “put my voice through a machine” mentality. I find it horrific.

    As far as beating a dead horse, I’m sure you know that as many times as you post, you are doing your share of beating. You are giving fuel to the fire. I’d likely not have posted on this thread except for the myriad of those who did It gave me courage to post and fuel to post. I just don’t think anybody is less guilty than the next in adding to the fuel.

  179. Gingerly:

    Adam stated pretty clearly in his comcast interview that any electronic tinkering will be with the music, but not with his voice. Hopefully that’s true–his voice is the reason that those of us who are buying the CD are buying it, after all. Electronic or synth elements in the music itself, though, could be very cool, especially when combined with his voice as it is.

  180. To: sisdagmar:

    Thank you. That is EXACTLY what I meant. They are not going to autotune his voice. They are playing with the musical elements, melodies, etc. Adam’s gorgeous voice will remain intact, I am sure.

  181. I guess I have inherent problems with a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“synth soundà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  when the normal sound is oh so very much better. What exactly about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s voice needs to be synthed? Why would he even need to do that? Why would he even want to? I just guess I have problems with the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“put my voice through a machineà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  mentality. I find it horrific.

    I didn’t get the impression he would synthesize his voice, I thought he would use a synth sound in the istrumentalization.

  182. Speaking of synth sound, oh lord, Mariah Carey’s new single is using something like that, big time, Mariah’s voice sounding all robotic or spage age or ‘evs…of all people but I have to admit the song is cool, it’s called Obsessed.

    No one can predict what bag of tricks Adam and his collaborators will use – one hopes it doesn’t involve the masking of his natural voice or not too much, but look at the trends in the music he seems to be drawn to. If they don’t manipulate the voice, there are tons of other manipulations.

    When you get into a studio with all that technology and tricks I think it’s like being a kid in the candy store and some people just can’t help themselves.

    Especially in the world of dance oriented music and hip hop,they forget one very important thing – how are you going to reproduce this sound live on stage without using backing tracks. That is why most rappers don’t tour much or they tour with a large group of artists.

  183. “Could these be the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“friendsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Adam mentioned in the Today Show interview who were suddenly coming out of the woodwork?”

    Agree with this statement- I am just concerned that We fans are the ones keeping this in the news- I want to do whatever to help Adam keep his eye on the prize like Madonna suggested.

  184. Just caught the ryan seacreast interview. they talked abt the hifi gate. Adam says it’s not DONE. simple. so i think it’s not a matter of being ashamed or lying etc. it’s just not ready as he wld like it to be and he said he can’t say don’t buy it obviously for legal reasons but he’s pissed. it’s happening without his imput.

  185. I guess I have inherent problems with a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“synth soundà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  when the normal sound is oh so very much better. What exactly about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s voice needs to be synthed? Why would he even need to do that? Why would he even want to? I just guess I have problems with the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“put my voice through a machineà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  mentality. I find it horrific.

    I’m pretty sure he means instrumental synth backgrounds, and not anything with his voice .

    Sort of like the studio version of Born to Be Wild, only more so. They didn’t do anything to his voice on that, but the backing tracks were pretty electric.

  186. Hi Fi claims that it has a signed recording contract with Adam dated Feb. 12, 2008. Even if true and was still current and Adam broke the Idol rules, RCA has too much money to make with Adam to give him up now.

  187. lizland
    Jun 26th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
    Hi Fi claims that it has a signed recording contract with Adam dated Feb. 12, 2008.

    Links please to this information….thanks.

  188. lizland — where did this info come from ? I had not read that anywhere

  189. Hi Fi claims that it has a signed recording contract with Adam dated Feb. 12, 2008. Even if true and was still current and Adam broke the Idol rules, RCA has too much money to make with Adam to give him up now.

    They should, though, if he actually lied to them about something like this.

    (I know they won’t — as you say, too much invested.) But it’s not fair for one person to get away with something like this, if indeed he did,

    Nevertheless, hard for me to believe that he actually had a live recording contract and auditioned for the show anyway, without mentioning it. I would think that with his diarrhea of the mouth that would have come right out. Or else he would have said, Well, I’ll wait till next year to audition. He was only 26 last summer. So he could have waited. Or maybe the mushroom confused him about his age or something?

    Plus, if he had a live recording contract, it would have been with Citizen Vein, right? Wouldn’t they have said something to their lead singer if he was walking out on an actual recording contract that they’d all struggled years to get? That makes this being an actual recording contract seem highly unlikely to me. Maybe they had a contract for x-amount of studio time to produce x-amount of demos or something. But if they had a real recording contract, why weren’t they excitedly churning out an album?

  190. ^^^

    E Online….= TMZ = PH

    Come on I want some “proof” here…not online chatter.

    by the way…same old, same old. Adam NEVER WORKED with Hi Fi. Hi Fi “said” they bought the stuff from Wilshire.

  191. If Hi Fi does, in fact, have a signed contract, then that puts the ball in RCA’s court, I figure. I don’t think Hi-Fi would be doing this unless their asses were not covered legally, so I believe it.

  192. So NOW HiFi says it had a recording contract with Adam? In all of the prior releases it said that Adam had a relationship with Wilshire, which then brought the material to HiFi….Their story changes every time they put out a press release, while Adam has actually remained consistent….curiously both Wishire and Monte Pittman have remained absolutely silent….what seems clear is that Wilshire had a whole bunch of tracks — both Adam singing the work of others as a session singer, and Adam’s own songs with Pittman –which have been unfinished and languishing around in the vault for some time, which have been sold to HiFi and now HiFi is trying to spin it that these were completed recordings that always were intended to be released as an album…if they had just marketed this as “we have the rights to early Adam demo songs” then there would be little controversy….I have generally supported HiFi’s rights to release this material, but am downright disgusted with their marketing be press release campaign.

  193. From the EOnline:

    Hi Fi claims that it has a signed recording contract with Adam dated Feb. 12, 2008. The label has already made one of the CD’s tracks, “Want,” available on iTunes.

    That is pretty cut and dry. This company is not backing down so I believe they have all their ducks in a row. Interesting stuff.

  194. If HiFi had any contract with Adam it clearly expired prior to his involvement with Idol, or else HiFi would be in court challenging the new contract with 19/RCA

  195. mmb, I don’t think they meant the agreement was with them. Just meant they had in their possession a contract. Which they probably required before getting into this mess.

  196. Hi-Fi just give up your preious little single has already fallen out of the top 100 pop chart and you are not going to sell more records by continuely insulting Adam.

  197. I highly doubt HiFi have a signed recording contract in the sense of his recording contract with RCA – or in the sense that most people understand ‘recording contract’. It’s more likely that it’s either for demo recording/session work with Wilshire or the contract is either signing rights over to Wilshire or to do with Wilshire’s signing of the rights to HiFi – maybe Adam & Monte had to sign something at the time. HiFi have already stated that they brought the rights to the songs from Wilshire Records. He would have been perfectly within his rights to sign anything like that in early 2008 and still try out for Idol later in the year.

    The reason I think this is that Adam just doesn’t strike me as someone who is that dumb. He’s an intelligent guy and has knowledge of how the industry works. It just makes no sense that if he had really signed a contract that would in any way put his Idol run in jeopardy, that he would now be making the statements he is now knowing that HiFi could produce a contract at the drop of a hat. He’s been around long enough to know that he’d be found out.

    I’m not saying HiFi is lying about having some sort of contract, but just that they’re making it out to be a lot more than it probably is. I think Hecker is being very canny with his wording in his press releases – he has been from the beginning. ‘Want’ was originally being touted as ‘the first single off Adam Lambert’s new album’ remember, as if this was his major post-AI release? At the end of the day, he’s a businessman trying to sell something and he’ll use every trick in the book to do so.

    Oh, and if the Citizen Vein tracks are as rough as Want, I’d be surprised if Monte really wants them put out there either! The guy’s not exactly a struggling artist desperate for a quick buck! And Monte has nothing to do with anything but the Citizen Vein stuff anyway so for them to make out that Adam’s doing his mate out of something with his comments seems a bit rich when this all started with a couple of tracks that Monte Pittman had nothing to do with. And even if he is, surely that’s for Monte & Adam to sort out between themselves…

    At the end of the day though, HiFi clearly have the rights to the songs and can put them out there as they wish. This sort of things happens to artists all the time but people rarely hear about it other than that artist’s fervent fans. Nobody seems to know or care about this outside of the AI internet fandom anyway and I very much doubt it’ll hurt Adam’s career or credibility. The irony is that if Hecker and HiFi had just been honest about what the recordings were in the first place, they would probably have made a damn sight more money from them as I’d imagine that many of Adam’s fervent fans would have brought them – and probably some others would have checked them out out of curiousity too. I know I would have, as I’ve not really heard much of his pre-Idol stuff (not a hint for a million links by the way! I’ll search them out if I want to!) Although I guess they’ve got some publicity by doing it this way so…

    To be honest though it all seems like a giant storm in a teacup to me.

  198. From the story cited above:

    That small indie music company, run by an experienced music producer, Malcolm Welsford, thrives on finding, nurturing and championing new talent, and now they find themselves at a tremendous potential loss. Adam’s songwriting partner, Monte Pittman now finds himself at a tremendous potential loss. Via the press, in the words of the musician they dedicated so much time and money to, they are being told that their work with Adam should never see the light of day.”

    When’s the last time anybody intended their demos to “see the light of day?”

    Oh, yeah. It was the last time somebody decided to try to cash in on a demo-performer’s newfound fame elsewhere!

    Also can’t figure out what the “tremendous potential loss” would be. Clearly they participated in these demos earlier, paid for making these demos earlier, but got nowhere with them, apparently (on Citizen Vein’s part), and didn’t want to go anywhere with them (on HiFi/Wilshire’s part, since they apparenlty didn’t plan on making an album.) So they already “lost” that investment, it would seem. From what I can see, all they’re looking at now is gain — from whatever they can earn from selling this stuff. May not be much, but it seems as if it might be more than they were previously expecting to earn from demos they never intended to turn into a finished product.

    Unless Adam actually did walk out on Pittman and Citizen Vein when they were truly on the verge and they actually feel he betrayed them by trying out for Idol. Seems like we would have heard something about that by now, though, doesn’t it? We certainly heard about Constantine’s band desertion early on, for example.

  199. Also how would Monte Pittman of all people find himself at a tremendous potential loss? Dont they even know who he is?

    Pittman doing mighty fine in his own right. Hes in London with Madonna at the moment.

  200. Also how would Monte Pittman of all people find himself at a tremendous potential loss? Dont they even know who he is?

    Pittman doing mighty fine in his own right. Hes in London with Madonna at the moment.

    Exactly. Think you might be right on the money about their not knowing who he is, though, lol!

  201. The thing about Monte Pittman is interesting as well. Adam was working with one of Madonna’s songwriters before Idol. I am at a loss on why Adam needed Idol he was already working with one of the industries top writers. Now the contestants and winners from other years certainly had musical histories but none of them actually worked with such an acclaimed writer as Monte Pittman. They were struggling and putting out indie albums. The production value of some of Adam’s previous work I also find interesting. While previous winners were working in smoky bars or singing at county fairs, Mr. Lambert was working on some highly produced shows with hundreds of folks involved.

  202. mmb Jun 26th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    while Adam has actually remained consistentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

    Oh sure, very consistent to be sure. “Adam has been consistently what?” would be the question I would ask. And my answer would be consistent in attempts to distance himself from something in which he was into up to his eyeballs.

  203. Adams been more consistant than Hi-Fi and to be honest Hi-Fi should just shut up now, they are not going to sell more records by continuing this.

  204. I really wish Hi-Fi would just release it and be done. They are looking very unprofessional and if I was an artist on their lable I would be a bit peeved by all the unnecessary attention they are giving to someone not even signed to their label.

  205. If only Hi-Fi had managed to get this much press coverage for Melinda, who is signed to them.

  206. Reminder:

    I’m closing this thead for a clean up. Then, a bunch of you will be banned.

    I’ll open it back up once I’m finished.

  207. Ok, this thread is back open.

    I ended up only banning one person.

    But here is the thing: A couple of you are VERY close to being banned. It’s frustrating to have posters who know the rules break them anyway. It pisses me off in fact.

    Reminder:

    Baiting people in these threads, calling out posters, questioning their motives, or making generalizations and accusations. WILL GET YOU BANNED.

    If you respond in kind to a post that breaks the guidelines, YOU ARE ALSO BREAKING THE GUIDELINES. You will also eventually be banned.

  208. Adam was working with one of Madonnaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s songwriters before Idol.

    From my understanding, Monte is a guitar player for Madonna, not a songwriter. Maybe someone else knows more and can clear that up.

  209. I was wrong in my above post so would like to amend it he was working with her guitar player but they were writing together. I misunderstood some previous posts. Sorry

  210. I have to say I’m really intrigued by HiFi’s latest press release. To a certain degree, they really took the gloves off and more or less called Adam and/or someone on his team a liar (i.e., the story keeps on changing), repeatedly talked about the fact that there was a “plan” for releasing this material and even gave the date of the recording contract (very close in date to when he would have tried out for Idol) and the people that he was potentially damaging by his distancing himself from the project. Based on my assumption (which could well be wrong) that no one would be stupid enough to lie about something this specific, I get the feeling that, no matter how you may view HiFi/Wilshire’s motives (and let’s face it, they are coattail riding opportunists, no matter how you slice it), they likely have been straight about their/Wilshire’s relationship with Adam (and have the documentary records to prove it), otherwise Adam/19R would have gone much further in their disavowals and nailed them for any piece of untruth they may have uttered.

    Oh, by the way, on the question as to why HiFi said that they (rather than Wilshire) had a contract with Adam: It’s easy enough for these contracts to contain a clause that says that record company can assign the contract (or any right under the contract) to anyone without the consent of the artist. Therefore, if Wilshire assigned the contract (or a portion of the contract) to HiFi, voila!, there’s a contract between HiFi and Adam.

  211. lucy
    Jun 26th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Whenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the last time anybody intended their demos to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“see the light of day?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    lucy, that’s the best question I have read all day! As we have all witnessed, Adam appears to be a perfectionist in everything he does. Demos are not perfect, finished products and only a preview of the artist’s actual abilities. If they were complete and perfect, there would be no need for demos!

    As stated in MJs article today:

    “Ryan read Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s latest statement on the Hi-Fi release of his pre-Idol material, and while Adam stopped short of telling fans not to buy it, he made it clear heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s pissed. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The songs arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t finished,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  he says.”

    That says it all for me, lucy. I am finished with this subject. Have a good day everyone.

  212. Someone above mentioned that Hi Fi has “documentary proof” about Adam’s relationship with Wilshire. What proof is that? I only saw a letter (could have been typed up by anyone at any time) with a list of songs and who wrote them. IMO they have NOT been straight up about the relationship with Wilshire – first they only released WANT – a song that was NOT written by Adam, and was in fact up on the Wilshire website sung by someone else (this alone could substantiate Adam’s claim that he was a session singer for the WANT track).

    Hi Fi first said they wanted Adam to do well and they wanted to support him by releasing this music. After Adam claimed he was a session singer (at least on the WANT track which is the only one they released) they then “leaked” this supposed play list – very supportive NOT.

    Now they are almost accusing Adam (or his “reps”) of being a liar, and releasing music that he clearly wants to distance himself from and states is unfinished.

    I don’t see how this is supporting Adam at all – they bought the rights from Wilshire because they saw an opportunity to make money – Wilshire sold the rights because of this same opportunity. Neither of them is “supporting” Adam. He only has the fans to support him now, and I will.

  213. How many people can admit they they read every single word when they sign a contract? Do you get a lawyer to go over it prior to signing? Do you read the fine print? In the case of artists who are struggling, you are happy to make any money & you gladly sign anything they put in front of you.

    No, what happens is someone hands you a long and boring document, they summarize the key points, you sign it, they notarize it, and they give you a copy of the contract. Adam needs to produce his copy of the Feb/2008 signed contract that HiFi says they have and put an end of this debate. If he didn’t keep it then Hi Fi needs to produce a notarized copy for review and put the debate to rest.

    There is so much big to-do with Adam Lambert and he didn’t even win the competition, which is good for RCA due to their strict rules about not having a current recording/management contract to be a contestant. The winner definitely has a more lucrative contract for winning. I would venture to guess that if this debate was about Kris Allen with him having possibly violated the terms of A.I. contract, Adam Lambert fans would have demanded Kris be disqualified and the title given to Adam.

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