Adam Lambert Disqualified from Open House Party due to Overzealous Fans

It happens every year when the first singles drop.

Fans who can’t quite get the hang of the notion that the competition is OVER and that the future of their favorite Idol is no longer in their hands get a little…overzealous in support of their favorite.

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RCA just posted this little missive on Adam Lambert’s official web site:

Adam Disqualified from Open House Party Voting

Just wanted to let you guys know that Adam was disqualified from this competition this week because the folks at Open House Party realized that some people were mass voting outside of their own cities. Please resist the temptation to do this for this competition, as well as when requesting Adam’s songs from radio stations, because it WILL harm Adam’s image with these businesses, not to mention RCA’s ability to promote him and “Whataya Want From Me.” Thanks.

*An update from RCA:

Update: Multiple requests to Open House Party’s Twitter account – where no requests are accepted – was the primary culprit to this week’s disqualification (Adam will be eligible again next week).

Tsk tsk. There’s nothing more that radio station Program Directors hate than fans who call from outside their own cities. Request lines gauge the interest of a radio station’s regular listeners. Organized street team efforts from peeps who don’t listen to that particular radio station skew the results of call-in requests.   In the end, this sort of aggressive street teaming hurts an Idol more than it helps.

Also, this is the SECOND time that RCA has had to issue a smackdown. Last month, when “For Your Entertainment” was initially released, RCA had to warn fans to stop bothering radio stations. I guess some fans didn’t get the memo.

There’s a history of Idol fans driving radio station DJ’s crazy. Back in 2007, Taylor Hicks’ label issued a similar smackdown via Taylor’s MySpace. And of course, the aggressiveness of the Claymates’ call-in efforts to radio stations on behalf of Clay Aiken are legendary.

Adam’s response via twitter, “I really appreciate your passion and dedication to getting my music on the radio, but don’t drive the stations crazy! :) thanks friends!…FYI. That doesn’t mean to stop requesting!! Just try not to do it 30 times in one day…. Just Cool it on the redial/resend kick. :)…Oh and so you all know, upon hearing this news, I laughed so hard. Y’all are nuts and I adore you for it. :)”

Getting kicked off a huge syndicated radio station competition isn’t really that funny. I’d call Adam’s response very diplomatic, considering.

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409 Comments

  1. Well at least now RCA has the fans to blame for Adam’s impending failure!

  2. Glamberts being OTT and crazy? Why, I never!

    Not sure Adam’s message sunk in:

    GatorGirl830: @adamlambert we can do whatever we want just like you sweetheart- the radio stations are not going to blame you-stop fussing over it!

  3. I’m not too shocked either but I think having Adam say something on Twitter was a wise move. I suspect the over zealous fans are more likely to listen to him than anyone else. To be able to directly, from his mouth, instantly attempt to nip something like that in the bud via the internet is probably a very good thing right now.

  4. I am new to the Idol World relatively, and I really didn’t quite comprehend how Clay’s (or anyone else’s) fans could hurt him. I think I get it now.

  5. Oh, Adam. On one hand, he tweeted his followers not to spam radio stations like this. Then, he immediately thanked them for spamming the Z100 “New Artist” poll. I’ve already seen tweets from some of his fans back to him saying that they can do what they want to support him, and he’ll be just fine. I don’t think he understands that these truly fanatical fans don’t get nuance and subtlety.

    Perhaps he should also tweet his fans to stop their campaign against VH1 for taking his video off their countdown list, and to stop tweeting iTunes demanding to know why Kris is ahead of Adam on their charts.

  6. Getting kicked off a huge radio station competition isn’t really that funny, so I’d call that Adam’s response very diplomatic…

    Huh? A top three countdown every Saturday and Sunday night is a HUGE radio station competition?? I guessed I missed something. I guess it’s huge that there is a new winner every night???

  7. washpd
    01/04/2010 at 5:55 pm

    Oh, Adam. On one hand, he tweeted his followers not to spam radio stations like this. Then, he immediately thanked them for spamming the Z100 “New Artist” poll. I’ve already seen tweets from some of his fans back to him saying that they can do what they want to support him, and he’ll be just fine. I don’t think he understands that these truly fanatical fans don’t get nuance and subtlety.

    Yeah, at first I thought him asking would be more effective than a statement on his official webpage. But I think he undermined himself by immediately celebrating that which he just asked people not to do, then ending the tweets by saying that he laughed about the OHP thing. Time will tell.

  8. I guess it’s huge that there is a new winner every night???

    It’s a competition in the sense that the song will get played if their are enough votes.

  9. There’s no way people are going to get the message, he said he adores them. That’s the only part of the message that will get through (this I know from living in Cookistan lol). Every Idol has crazy fans, some have more than others, and they are NEVER a help, they just continue to perpetuate the scorn directed towards singers who have been on Idol. I personally scratch my head and wonder how these folks have that much time and energy, Lord knows I don’t. I’ll vote here or there on a poll, requested here or there to my local stations… but that’s about it. I might have to hand in my fan card. Sigh.

  10. This whole thing just makes me feel sad.

    Getting kicked off a huge radio station competition isn’t really that funny. I’d call Adam’s response very diplomatic, considering.

    True, enough, mj

  11. Okay, this is a first. I thought OHP was a nationally syndicated show and I wouldn’t actually call it a “competition.” It’s supposedly a show where they only play the most requested songs.

    The show itself is syndicated over dozens of stations and you can also request via e-mail. But they do hate organized fan groups spamming them or organzing campaigns. But obviously over the years fan groups always call in requests. I did for Elliott’s Wait for You. But I’ve never heard of them disqualify a song. So the Adam fans definitely went OTT.

    If the song is disqualified for good this will really hurt. Getting spins on OHP is one of the best ways for a newish song to move up the charts.

  12. Though I guess I should qualify that with maybe *some* people will get the message, so I guess it’s good that he addressed it at all.

    I don’t see how you can glean anything positive out of that situation, though. Huge or not, it’s still apparently a pretty popular show… and if it isn’t, why the effort to spam people to the top?

  13. Some fans are absolutely crazy and will never learn.

    Unfortunately with Adam thanking the fans about winning the Z100 thing after theyve been spammed to death, and him saying he loves his fans for how insane they are he completely canceled out his other points. I saw that after all of his tweets some fans had the audacity to say they could do whatever they want just like him, and it wont hurt him, and some others asking him what they need the fans to do.

    DID HE NOT JUST SAY DON’T CALL IN 30 TIMES A DAY? it’s not that difficult, call in once and from your own area. What do people not understand?? I can see it now, people are going to further harass these radio stations calling them homophobic. When is it going to end?

  14. But obviously over the years fan groups always call in requests. I did for Elliott’s Wait for You.

    Right, and nothing wrong with calling in requests in a rational way… but it must’ve been pretty crazy to have them disqualify him. What’s Cookie call his fans… adamant? Heh.

  15. Well, that explains why WWFM wasn’t played so much on the show this weekend.

    Yeesh. When will the overzealous fans learn? And not directly that just at Adam’s fanbase, but at many Idol fans in general.

    Don’t bite off the hands that feed Adam. OHP is a national show and regular play on it helps a lot. If Adam loses that exposure, some other outlets may want to drop him as well. But something tells me the fanatics don’t understand this possibility.

  16. But something tells me the fanatics don’t understand this possibility.

    You have to be rational to understand something. And a lot of these way, way, way overinvested fans, and not just Adam’s, are anything but rational when it comes to their guy (or gal).

  17. MJ I don’t think the OHP thing was that big of a deal considering it’s held every week and on AdamOfficial, the moderator or RCA representive posted that he would be eligible for the competition again next week. That being said, I do think it was important that Adam nipped (or at the very least attempted to) it in the bud before it got out of hand and spread to more radio stations (if it hasn’t already). I also don’t think he was making light of it vis a vis his last tweet, but just attempting to inject a bit of levity into the situation and make his words go down a bit more smoothly (psychology at work: counter a negative with a positive). I also think he actually, seriously had a good LOL moment when he was told about it. He really does appreciate his fan’s support and while on the one hand, he can see that it can be detrimental to have the OTT fans so obssessed with getting him airplay and what-not, I am sure that he is also at the same time pleased and flattered.

    I am sure he will be fine. Hopefully those OTT fans take his tweets to heart today and chill on the bomboardment (is that a word?) of radio stations.

  18. There is nothing positive in this situation. OHP not playing the song means a loss of a lot of spins since it’s a syndicated show.

    Also, since Adam had to tweet about it and it will be news, other radio stations will know about it and will have to start looking at their requests more carefully to see if they are local.

    This is the type of behavior that really hurts the artist. I don’t remember the label putting out a notice like that before. Is this new for RCA or did they have to do it for Clay?

  19. Oh, Adam. On one hand, he tweeted his followers not to spam radio stations like this. Then, he immediately thanked them for spamming the Z100 “New Artist” poll

    Well, I don’t think he could have completely failed to acknowledge this and say thanks — and Z100 is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, stations in the country, and he was one of the people “nominated” by the station itself , so I’m not sure that an online vote like this is as bothersome to the radio stations as the incessant phone calls and email requests from outside of the listening area requesting that WWFM or FYE be played. But i am sure that neither RCA nor Adam are happy with this situation and are trying to, as nicely as possible, tell the nutsies to calm the h-ll down and stop bothering the stations

  20. Kblockquote>Huh? A top three countdown every Saturday and Sunday night is a HUGE radio station competition?? I guessed I missed something.

    I think that MJ means that the show is syndicated across the nation. When a song gets a single spin on that show, it translates into multiple spins. For instance, I think the first week that OHP featured the song, it got like 79 spins from 2-3 spins on OHP. Two weekends ago, it got 5 spins from the show. If it loses all those spins, it will have an impact on the size of the bullet.

    What does this disqualification mean? Does it mean that it won’t be played at all or that it just ineligible for the “countdown portion of the show”? And does it mean it was disqualified for this last weekend or for next weekend.

    Oh, Adam. On one hand, he tweeted his followers not to spam radio stations like this. Then, he immediately thanked them for spamming the Z100 “New Artist” poll.

    That’s a bit of a mixed message. I suppose he doesn’t want to offend any of his fans, but perhaps it might be a good idea to shake some of the crazier ones off. Tough to do, though. They tend to have bite grips tighter than a pitbull. Please note that I think that 99.9% of Adam’s fans are completely sane. It’s just the cray-cray ones stiring up trouble.

    I’m just waiting for the next round of “homophobia” cries. Let’s see: GMA, ABC, Dick Clark, OHP, VH-1…

    That and I’m sure that some are convinced it’s mysterious and ever elusive trolls and moles causing the problems.

  21. Does anybody have the link to RCA’s initial smackdown, back when FYE was released?

  22. listen,don’t group all Adam fans together (I’m an Adam fan and I’ve NEVER heard Adam on radio let alone request him)

    anyway my opinion’s this is NO BIG DEAL.compared to all the other shit,this doesn’t matter.

    and I’m glad mjsbigblog is back.:)

  23. listen,don’t group all Adam fans together (I’m an Adam fan and I’ve NEVER heard Adam on radio let alone request him)

    anyway my opinion’s this is NO BIG DEAL.compared to all the other shit,this doesn’t matter.

    and I’m glad mjsbigblog is back.:)

  24. Once other radio stations hear of this they’ll be a little more careful and check to see if the WWFM requests are local. For example, if you live in an area that doesn’t get Z100, it’s probably wise not to request the song 20 times a day. In general once a day is sufficient and more is overkill.

  25. That’s a bit of a mixed message. I suppose he doesn’t want to offend any of his fans, but perhaps it might be a good idea to shake some of the crazier ones off. Tough to do, though.

    Yeah, ask David Cook about walking a fine line when trying to get your fans to back off. He sure caught a lot of crap with that blog he did!

  26. Please note that I think that 99.9% of Adam’s fans are completely sane. It’s just the cray-cray ones stiring up trouble.

    Like Kirsten said, most are fine. But the minority, the crazy ones, are sure loud. It’s like that in every fanbase.

  27. The show itself is syndicated over dozens of stations and you can also request via e-mail. But they do hate organized fan groups spamming them or organzing campaigns. But obviously over the years fan groups always call in requests. I did for Elliott’s Wait for You. But I’ve never heard of them disqualify a song. So the Adam fans definitely went OTT.

    It was my understanding the main culprit (s) were multiple tweets from an over excited group, not so much mass e-mail and/or call ins from a wider grouping. Someone, please feel free to correct me if I am (and could quite possibly be) wrong. Are tweet request even allowed?

  28. And luvadamlambert, I don’t think anyone would lump you into crazy land – I wish some of the grownup fans were as wise as you are :)

  29. and to stop tweeting iTunes demanding to know why Kris is ahead of Adam on their charts.

    Please tell me that is a joke (that they aren’t really doing that). I can’t tell anymore.

  30. tierbee sometimes I wish I were crazier.I mean I’m a fan,but I don’t know what to do.it’s either your crazy,or something like “those glamberts will never learn” and snide remarks about homophobia etc.it’s hard to be crazy..but..not…does that make sense…..? :)

  31. Well, to add to the levity, apparently a bunch of Justin Bieber fans are angry-tweeting a Z-100 dj accusing him of fixing the z-100 awards because he supposedly likes Adam….the crazies come in all shapes and sizes, and are fans of all types of artists

  32. Part of the problem is the live-streaming radio stations do online so you can listen to alot no matter where you live. I do think it was about time for Adam to say something. I also think voting for polls and stuff online is different than spamming stations with requests. And reading the thread on AO….the fans haven’t learned a thing. Maybe they will be happy when they ruin his career before it starts. I’m hoping it will calm down if and when he gets a hit single.

  33. It was apparently not excessing phone requests but Twitter requests. Here are the tweets from Adam on the OHP competitiion disqualification and also the explaination Update from RCA:

    From Twitter around 2:10PM PT

    Reply Retweet adamlambert: Happy New Year guys!! I love that you want to support my music and call in requests, but please be mindful of how often you do so…
    6 minutes ago from Echofon

    Reply Retweet adamlambert: Open House Party is a great supporter of my songs, but when there is an organized group of fans calling stations nonstop,
    4 minutes ago from Echofon

    Reply Retweet adamlambert: … It understandably upsets them. Stations can track over-use of requests and fraudulent requests and I would hate to lose their support.
    3 minutes ago from Echofon

    adamlambert: I really appreciate your passion and dedication to getting my music on the radio, but don’t drive the stations crazy! thanks friends!
    less than a minute ago from Echofon

    A follow-up from Adam at 2:30PM PT

    adamlambert FYI. That doesn’t mean to stop requesting!! Just try not to do it 30 times in one day…. Just Cool it on the redial/resend kick.
    less than 20 seconds ago from Echofon

    Explaination from RCA
    Source: Update on AdamOfficial 1/04/10 45:40PM ET

    RCA * Update: Multiple requests to Open House Party’s Twitter account – where no requests are accepted – was the primary culprit to this week’s disqualification (Adam will be eligible again next week).

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I have the first RCA warning on AO.com — I will copy it and post in a few minutes.

  34. apparently a bunch of Justin Bieber fans are angry-tweeting a Z-100 dj

    Maybe the fans now left on MJs are the only rational ones left????? :-)

  35. kneipho I think it was call ins and tweets that led to Adam being disqualified this week. In one of his tweets this afternoon he said to cool it with the redial/resend which to me means that it was part calls and part tweets.

    I would just like to clarify that having read MJ’s and Kirsten’s posts describing what OHP exactly is and how influential they are in determining how many spins a song gets on other stations, I understand the severity a bit more. BUT I still believe in the long run, that Adam will be fine. It is best to cut the crazies off at the pass though. LOL. Hopefully they will get the message. I have never once called into a radio station or tweeted them, since I can’t be bothered to listen to the radio much at all, but I do understand how some peeps can believe that they are actually HELPING Adam. Hopefully they now know that is not the case and will calm the eff down.

  36. Q3

    “It was apparently not excessing phone requests but Twitter requests.”

    Cynthia101

    “kneipho I think it was call ins and tweets that led to Adam being disqualified this week. In one of his tweets this afternoon he said to cool it with the redial/resend which to me means that it was part calls and part tweets.”

    Thanks, Guys.

  37. BTW — OHP broadcast WWFM 3 times this past weekend for about 40 spins — they just disqualified it from the Sunday song contest which cost about 10 spins. A cheap way to finally give the OTT fans a message. And if you look on Twitter, it was a few Adam fans who Tweeted OHP a lot.

  38. A few more tweets about Adam fans:

    From Larry Flick (XM Sirius)

    @adamlambert My I’m finding that you have the most respectful, if wildly passionate fans I’ve ever had to deal with in my radio career.
    7 minutes ago from web in reply to adamlambert

    @adamlambert And trust me, I hear from some kook-fans of others. I’m sure they’ll heed your request.
    6 minutes ago from web in reply to adamlambert @adamlambert

    @GuyAllen Glamberts are unlike any fans I’ve ever dealt with. They’re passionate, but they’re oddly sane and totally fun.
    2 minutes ago from web in reply to GuyAllen @GlamUlli

  39. edit: Seriously, knock off the lecturing, or I put you in moderation

  40. The twitter thing makes sense because OHP lives on requests.

    In general though OTT fans can do serious damage ESPECIALLY if they call in requests to stations they live 1,000 miles away from. :) And the worst thing is to come across as someone invovled in an organized fan effort. Stations HATE that.

  41. Welcome back Mj…missed your site.

    Ok….now I like to ask a question. I have satellite radio. I listen to different radio stations from all over North America. Are you telling me that I cannot request a song to be played even though that radio station is not in my area but it is the #1 radio station that I listen to?

    Maybe these radio stations need to also realize like everyone else, satellite and computers have changed their demographics. Over Christmas at work I listened to Ryan Seacrest on my computer at work. Again, am I not allowed to request a favourite song to be played because I live in Ontario?

  42. No secret I’m an Adam fan, but I’m not one of the fanatics. I only follow a few Adam fans on Twitter, and right after his first couple tweets about the OHP situation, one woman who tweets him devotedly if not incessantly said she was embarassed and glad she was one of the sane fans! If she thinks she’s sane there is no hope for those who spammed OHP. I would like to think most are too young to know better, but I’m afraid that’s not the case.

    (Changing the voting procedure on Idol – although a little late now after 8 years – would remedy this crazy behavior as well.)

  43. Thank you Jurnee! Well said. I think it’s important for every fan of Kris and Adam both to remember that the guys success or failure is not dependent on the other’s success or failure. They are both two seperate, different artists who will either sink or swim on their own terms.

  44. Please note that I think that 99.9% of Adam’s fans are completely sane. It’s just the cray-cray ones stiring up trouble.

    Thank you Kirsten for Saying this. First as an Adam fan it is so frustrating when crap like this happens even after it has been told not to do it. OHP is confusing because it is Nationally. I voted 2 time last night because I was listening on the internet and did not even consider whether It was being played in my local area as I thought OHP was nationally on many stations. And also the fact that on Twitter the OHP DJ where telling Adam fans to vote and they loved them.

    Again I say thanks Kirsten as I was getting the feeling that this was going to be an open field day on all Adam Fans. I wish I could control the overly zealous ones but I can’t. So I hope they do listen to Adam.

  45. I also have NEVER heard WWFM or FYE on the radio, or LLWD for that matter. I am so sick of the radio, that I have given up on it (Radio that is). Although I heard LLWD in the grocery store on Saturday – huh?

    However I don’t even know what “Open House Party” is, guess I am living under a rock… :( BUT it has occured to me that if I knew how (and I don’t, remember the rock), and if I had the time I would want to send request after request after request to those idiots, who run the radio stations, so they could see not everybody likes what they play all the time.
    I totally feel under-represented on my taste of music in the radio world these days. If there was a way to send a message I would, so I think this person who got overinvested here has a point, and probably did it the only way he/she knew how. AND it backfired. That’s the sad part :(

    Radio stations play music over and over again, which I dont want to hear, but when the listeners aka “fans” send in requests over and over again, it is not right, why? For AI we can vote over and over again, there it’s all right. Or is it? The question of mass texting for Kris was once a topic too… hmm

  46. ALL Idol fandoms are champions of multi-voting. (I say this as someone who spent four hours voting for both David Cook and Adam Lambert on their respective F2 nights.) But what works on Idol doesn’t work for radio stations. I’m sure there were excesses from time to time, but on DCO there were constant INTERNAL messages — not from RCA, but from the fans who were telling other fans how to make requests — not to overwhelm stations with repeat requests.

    I’m a big fan of Adam’s — though I will confess I only post about him here, and very occasionally at that — and this sort of stuff just makes me shake my head. He needs HELP getting airplay, but he doesn’t need this sort of thing.

  47. Update on AdamOfficial:

    RCA * Update: Multiple requests to Open House Party’s Twitter account – where no requests are accepted – was the primary culprit to this week’s disqualification (Adam will be eligible again next week).

  48. starstruck2000….Am waiting for someone to answer your questions. They are exactly what I want to know too.

  49. Kirsten
    01/04/2010 at 6:14 pm

    and to stop tweeting iTunes demanding to know why Kris is ahead of Adam on their charts.

    Please tell me that is a joke (that they aren’t really doing that). I can’t tell anymore.

    Please tell Me this is a joke……jeez

  50. A couple tweets from Open House Party to Adam fans:

    PHOTOS: Adam Lambert @adamlambert fans check him out on new years eve! Because we love you

    @Adamlambert fans whoops here’s the photos

    Yes @adamlambert fans, I will! You know you don’t have to ask.., I got chu! Lol hope all my Lambert fans had a wonderful holiday!

    Jeez you Lambert mo-fo’s are loyal as hell! Only you could find a way to answer “lambert” in resonse to s young money question! Lol luv ya

  51. Stations like Z-100 invites multiple votes just as AI does. These polls seem to welcome and even encourage this I wouldn’t call it spamming. Sites that don’t want this kind of thing fix their poll so that the voting is limited. Other Idols have had fans warned I feel. I know Taylor did. He was getting almost no spins. First they ask fans to request him to radio and then the told them to back off. I guess they didn’t realize the intensity of fan bases.

  52. I can’t find my copy of the first AO.com radio station request warning — but it was also from rmged [a general RCA Management ID] on AO.com. It was writen as a response to a complaint about lack of airplay for FYE posted by a fan with a suggest that people call their station and push them to play the song. The RCA response was a request to give them time to get FYE on the add list and not to spam radio stations. I have a copy somewhere filed away but can’t find it. It was not as direct as this one. [MJ I posted it here about a month ago, but can’t find it here or on AO.com.] In any case, this is the second post on AO.com on the matter and the first time Adam has ever commented it.

    Oh, Adam. On one hand, he tweeted his followers not to spam radio stations like this. Then, he immediately thanked them for spamming the Z100 “New Artist” poll.

    That’s a bit of a mixed message. I suppose he doesn’t want to offend any of his fans, but perhaps it might be a good idea to shake some of the crazier ones off. Tough to do, though. They tend to have bite grips tighter than a pitbull. Please note that I think that 99.9% of Adam’s fans are completely sane. It’s just the cray-cray ones stiring up trouble.

    There is a lot of difference between an online poll that is set-up to drive traffic to a website — what the Z100 Best New Artist poll was part of — and someone tweeting requests for a song on the radio.

    And Adam won Z100 Best New Artist — a lot of fans vote split for Lady Gaga’s album and Adam as Best New Artist.

    The final poll vote:

    Adam Lambert 50.09%
    Ke$ha 6.14%
    Kris Allen 6.41%
    Lady Gaga 16.16% [she won album of the year!]
    Justin Bieber 21.20%

    Link to all the results: http://www.z100.com/pages/top100/2009awards.html

    This week — OHP spins were +15 on Saturday and +10 on Sunday. As far as I can determine the disqualification was for the Sunday contest so cost Adam 10 potential spins.

  53. RCA * Update: Multiple requests to Open House Party’s Twitter account – where no requests are accepted – was the primary culprit to this week’s disqualification (Adam will be eligible again next week).

    This justification is absurd. By definition, most Twitter is spam. If they don’t want to read the replies, then they shouldn’t look in their feed. Good grief. Spamming radio stations by calling or emailing them is definitely not good, but Twitter spam?? Give me a break! I don’t think they understand what Twitter is all about.

  54. It’s certainly not only Adam who has a percentage of fans who are more than a little overzealous. Probably pretty much every musician who has any decent sized fanbase likely has a percentage of “cray crays”. Sadly, although it’s usually a small percentage of fans, their actions often end up tainting ALL fans of that particular musician with the same label.

    this is not the first time that Adam’s fans to be asked to back off, and that’s never a good thing. Adam’s tweet may have been calm but I wouldn’t be surprised if privately he is really upset. Because this stuff could eventually could really hurt his career. Just yesterday there were people spanmming VH1 calling them homophobic because the FYE video was no longer on the list of MV to vote for in the countdown. Today the OHP thing. What next?

    Unfortunately, I’d bet that some of these “cray crays” won’t take any responsibility. Instead they’ll probably scream about conspiracies or homophobia…again.

    Stations and websites that put up polls without putting a one person, one vote limit (good luck with enforcing that, BTW) do open themselves up to this sort of spamming. But still…

  55. Perhaps he should also tweet his fans to stop their campaign against VH1 for taking his video off their countdown list, and to stop tweeting iTunes demanding to know why Kris is ahead of Adam on their charts.

    They’re blaming iTunes because Kris is ahead of Adam in sales off the site and has a higher rank as a result? Seriously? Do these people really lack basic common sense to this extent

  56. I personally don’t have a twitter account, but I have seen on IDF that they were pushing OHP requests via twitter. They were encouraging everyone to be polite, and only request if OHP was played on your local radio station. They even asked everyone to tell them what your local station was. Problem though….they were telling people you could tweet your request. I’m sure they had no idea that this shouldn’t be done. I think IDF has a very large fan following, so who knows how many tweets were generated from their following. Probably tons. So I’m sure Adam’s request will be taken seriously from most. Some of the crazies will still exist, just like with all celebrities unfortunately.

    That’s nice to know that Larry Flick and Guy Allen took the time to tweet Adam that they find Adam’s fans polite. I really feel like the majority are indeed polite and this particular problem with OHP started with a mis-understanding about twitter and just got out of control. Fans just need to dial back their enthusiasm a little bit. :)

  57. Why would any web site care about vote spamming? Maybe I’m cynical, but my understanding is that websites only set up the polls so as to get as many hits on their site as possible so they can increase their ad revenues. What do they care about vote spamming. They do this in purpose. If they are serious about not encouraging vote spamming, they can just limit the amount of times people vote.

  58. Okay, this is a first. I thought OHP was a nationally syndicated show and I wouldn’t actually call it a “competition.” It’s supposedly a show where they only play the most requested songs.

    The show itself is syndicated over dozens of stations and you can also request via e-mail.

    I haven’t listened to radio in ages since I’ve been able to play my own playlists on CDs, so I’m a little confused by the idea of requesting songs ‘in my area’ on the radio. Now that you can hear most radio stations online, the idea of ‘in my area’ is hard to define. It’s not only me that’s confused as I’ve read elsewhere others feeling the same. It was my understanding, maybe mistakenly, that you could request songs on OHP as long as you’re able to listen to them, which I do online whenever the show comes on and I call in my request. It’s also been very difficult to get through on the phone, so it’s hard to imagine that anyone could get many calls through. I feel lucky if I get through at all.

  59. They’re blaming iTunes because Kris is ahead of Adam in sales off the site and has a higher rank as a result? Seriously? Do these people really lack basic common sense to this extent

    I think the person who wrote this was joking…there is no way this is true

  60. I am a huge Adam fan. Pretty normal I would say. I live in the Sacramento area and we have a huge pop radio station. It plays alot of Gaga, Kris, Beiber, etec. They play Adam 5 times a day. I call once a day. They even know me by name. It is really cool because the DJ that is on from 4pm – 11pm is a guy that lives around the corner from me. We have conversations each evening. I have had on-line conversations with the program director. He is really great. He explained to me how it worked. I made a point of telling him I didn’t want to be a bother and he said, “no, Adam needs calls”. I told him I call once a day and my son usually e-mails them once a day when he is thinking about it.

    I never go to the OHP or VH!, especially after hearing about the chaos they created this weekend. I went on the site and it was just overtaken by overzealous fans upset that FYE wasn’t on their list. I understood their frustration but they got out of hand.

    I was just talking to the DJ awhile ago and asked him if he knew about what happened and he said yes he had heard about it. I asked if it was gonna change the amount of times they play his song. He said probably not. But they may not add at this point.

    Hello fans, are you hearing me. This is what happened to him at the biggest radio station in Northern California. That is gonna hurt. He’s been getting played 4 times a day and they were planning on adding him more starting tomorrow but he doesn’t know now.

    I hope fans understand and take a step back. Once a day is cool. I know on one of Adam’s websites they gave #s of the different radio stations but didn’t make the statement to do it only once a day or to stay in your own location.

    Anyways, I have vented. I really care about Adam’s future and hope his crazy fans take a step back and see what they are doing.

    Sorry for the ranting!!

  61. Oh my! I’m curious as to the demographic of these cray-crays. What an interesting study THAT would be! I’m with Adam…I laughed heartily at this post. Are you kidding me? Wow.
    I love his response. He never ceases to amaze me with the way he handles himself.

  62. I think Adam should come down harder on those who are obsessed and causing this trouble. By complimenting their crazy voting after faintly condemning it he is just encouraging them. If I were him I would tell those fans who have made their twitter a shrine to Adam to get a life. That kind of delusion is crazy, and is very unhealthy. Twitter is a social networking site, how has their whole social life come down to being an obsessive Adam fan? Get friends, get a hobby, get a personality, get something that isn’t an infatuation with a complete stranger.

    ETA I just wanted to say this isn’t just an Adam problem, all idols have these crazies. Something about idol attracts a few unbalanced people who become attached to an artist like parasites

  63. SybilTrelawney
    01/04/2010 at 6:38 pm
    ALL Idol fandoms are champions of multi-voting. (I say this as someone who spent four hours voting for both David Cook and Adam Lambert on their respective F2 nights.) But what works on Idol doesn’t work for radio stations. I’m sure there were excesses from time to time, but on DCO there were constant INTERNAL messages — not from RCA, but from the fans who were telling other fans how to make requests — not to overwhelm stations with repeat requests.

    I’m a big fan of Adam’s — though I will confess I only post about him here, and very occasionally at that — and this sort of stuff just makes me shake my head. He needs HELP getting airplay, but he doesn’t need this sort of thing.

    There are similar messages on the Adam fansites too. This appears to have happened on Twitter with people tweeting to get people to tweet OHP. Most of the mega tweeters look like tweens who do a lot of twitter power voting. And many of the tweets are in response to OHP tweeting Adam fans.

    This it the first post Idol year where twitter is really involved and Adam has almost 300,000 followers and a lot of twitter activity. Just like some other artists — Bieber, Gaga, Katy Perry, and so on.

    OHP is a unique radio show. It is really the last non-corporate, no PD/MD major radio program left on US Radio. They play what people request. The number of shows carrying the program varies by the hour — the first hour on Saturday is most important because it is carried by the most stations. And they apparently have no issue with Adam or Adam fans because they gave him 3 spins [2 on Saturday and 1 on Sunday]. The problem was a few Adam fans “power voted” on twitter.

  64. It’s certainly not only Adam who has a percentage of fans who are more than a little overzealous. Probably pretty much every musician who has any decent sized fanbase likely has a percentage of “cray crays”.

    Not just musical artists, just about anything in the public domain. Try reading the comments on IMDB when a big special effects or comic book related movie comes out. LOL. Heck, I remember reading RottenTomatoes and there was some poor dude who wrote a negative review about the last Batman movie and I thought the crazy Batman fans were going to lynch him because they wanted a 100% approval rating for the movie. Read over at Pulse and see that crazy musical fans are not limited to Idol fans. I used to belong to a Jane Austen fan board. Very prim and proper until the gloves came off about whether Darcy started off in “Pride and Prejudice” as an arogant jerk or just a misunderstood shy guy. Woo. It got Ug-ly.

    Anyway, yes, all fan groups have a percentage of cray-cray fans. The cray-cray fans need to not get positive feedback for their crap. It just makes them more crazy. But, they can’t be stopped. Even explaining to them in gory detail about how their craziness is not helping will not get them to stop because they will just say they felt they had to react/request/spam whatever. They are crazy. They need meds, not kind suggestions to stop their sh!t. The best one can hope is to prevent the mildy cray-cray from being swept into the vortex of the true crazy fans and amping up the craziness.

    To re-iterate. 99.9% of Adam fans are sane. All fan bases have a small precentage of fans that are somewhat less than 100% sane.

  65. thanks adamlambertfan8

    Please tell Me this is a joke……jeez

    ita dhunken(as usual)

    mj
    01/04/2010 at 6:45 pm
    Going back to delete all the fan warring. We don’t do that here.

    thanks

    I think most fans will listen To Adams tweets and this problem should ((mostly)) go away..eventually…

  66. girlygirl
    01/04/2010 at 6:47 pm

    Unfortunately, I’d bet that some of these “cray crays” won’t take any responsibility. Instead they’ll probably scream about conspiracies or homophobia…again.

    Look like that “cray cray” was Jim Cantiello — as his alterego Glambert ID, of course! Sent about 4:45PM ET

    [And this is a joke. You can look at the Tweets. It was a few passionate and well-meaning Adam fans.

    Glambert696969 from web

    ARKANSAS RUINS ADAM LAMBERT’S CAREER YET AGAIN. I THINK THEY SHOULD SECEDE FROM THE UNITED STATES OF LAMBERICA.

    Oh Adam. Do your research, hon. I bet soooo many of these alleged phone calls came from people with SOUTHERN ACCENTS. And CHEESE DIP breath.

    IN FACT, I wouldn’t be surprised if some KR[H]ISSSSS ALLON fans were the ones spamming the votes and FRAMING us Glamberts.

    Final twat of the day. THIS http://www.adamofficial.com/us/node/1144806 has NOTHING to do with me. Just so you know.

  67. Kristen: To re-iterate. 99.9% of Adam fans are sane. All fan bases have a small precentage of fans that are somewhat less than 100% sane.

    I agree with your statistics — but that remaining 0.1% — bless my heart they are a bit wild!! LOL

  68. if this is a matter of tweeting too much, i checked openhouse party’s feed and ALL of the tweets were asking them to play Adam. i didnt see a single tweet from the fan of another artist for them to play their music.

    One of the girls who was constantly tweeting is actually not from the US and is one of the girls who was banned from Adamofficial for being incredibly obnoxious and blaming Kris for everything. She actually went so far as to say on twitter that Kris’ fans were disguising themselves as Glamberts to get Adam into trouble. (I swore i thought i was reading a tweet from glambert696969)

    she also refuses to believe that that post on Adamofficial is actually from RCA. one of the reasons why she was banned in the first place was due to her ridiculous posts about how the mod on adamofficial was fake and how it was a Kris fan who broke into the website pretending to be a mod, how everything is a conspiracy.

    There were a few others who were also spamming the openhouseparty’s twitter feed. its ridiculous!

  69. I just checked out these guys, I had only heard of them because recently I started tweeting some very funny people on Twitter – about Adam, Jason, etc, we got more personal than anything else and it has been fun – Open House has only about 1900 followers, so they cant be big time , and I just dont see all the fuss over it. I dont think it is a big deal that some small time radio station got their panties all in a ruffle, it IS funny – ott fans are there for all singers, etc and it happens, it is unavoidable and will all blow over – Dhunken – ha – you couldnt resist could you, me neither, I wasnt going to say anything but here I am, oh well. Good luck to Adam, love him – once again he will be just fine

    “””IN FACT, I wouldn’t be surprised if some KR[H]ISSSSS ALLON fans were the ones spamming the votes and FRAMING us Glamberts.”””

    OH NO – ^^^ you are kidding, right? thats funny

  70. I dont think it is a big deal that some small time radio station got their panties all in a ruffle,

    OHP is actually a very popular syndicated radio show. It’s broadcast all over the country.

  71. Please note that I think that 99.9% of Adam’s fans are completely sane. It’s just the cray-cray ones stiring up trouble.

    thanks for saying this kirsten.

    and I’ve heard a lot of crap about “rational fans” and “cray-crays”.I’m honestly curious-is it possible to be a “rational” fan? Because if your the kind of fan I think applies in this context then you’ve probably spent the last 11 months googling(or talking tweeting listening etc) some one who doesn’t know you or care that you exist.shouldn’t you be out having a life? so in that way aren’t ALL rational fans crazy too?
    anyway I’m happy to be not rational :p
    but can someone please explain this to me? tha nks

  72. To re-iterate. 99.9% of Adam fans are sane. All fan bases have a small precentage of fans that are somewhat less than 100% sane.

    I agree with this.

    and I just dont see all the fuss over it I dont think it is a big deal that some small time radio station got their panties all in a ruffle.

    The fact that Adam even had to tweet about it makes it a big deal, IMO.

  73. Q3
    01/04/2010 at 7:01 pm
    Kristen: To re-iterate. 99.9% of Adam fans are sane. All fan bases have a small precentage of fans that are somewhat less than 100% sane.

    I agree with your statistics — but that remaining 0.1% — bless my heart they are a bit wild!! LOL

    ITA with both of you.

    And somehow feel we all should be singing “Give Peace a Chance” here

  74. is it possible to be a “rational” fan

    Luv – my daughter thinks I lost it a long time ago because of Adam. After hearing all this today, she now thinks I’m sane, if just slightly whacked.

  75. I’m beginning to think I’m in the “twitter is the devil” camp. The ease of technology these days gives a small group of people a deluded sense of power that I imagine they lack in their daily lives. Christ, they don’t even have to get out of bed or off the friggin couch to resend/redial themselves into a frenzy. Maybe some sort of mental competency test should be part of the twitter sign up appl.

  76. For those that are not familiar with OHP. It is a four hour radio show that comes on many syndicated shows on Saturday and Sunday nights. It is livestreamed at several stations and covers alot of stations sorta like Ryan Seacrest. During each weekend night show, they ask for people to request songs. On Sunday night, the top three requested songs get played at the end of the show-which is about 11:45 p.m.. There is no voting polls or voting period. Just requesting songs on the phone or on twitter.

  77. “”OHP is actually a very popular syndicated radio show. It’s broadcast all over the country.””

    Maybe so but I never heard of them until just this past couple of weeks and MJ – YOU are big time compared to them – you have almost 4000 followers to their 1900. Dont we rate how big you are by twitter now? right??? :-) jk but anyhoo – also, I dont listen to the radio much, only on the way to work and back, about 20 min a day and mostly it is talk radio, sooo – see if I, who is VERY important, do not know them , then they just cant be big! ok – just kidding again – bye for reals for now anyhow

  78. lorismile
    01/04/2010 at 7:14 pm
    is it possible to be a “rational” fan

    Luv – my daughter thinks I lost it a long time ago because of Adam. After hearing all this today, she know thinks I’m sane, if just slightly whacked.

    ha lorismile!! everything is relative, right? At the very least, the crazies are making us look…well….normal!!

  79. listen,don’t group all Adam fans together (I’m an Adam fan and I’ve NEVER heard Adam on radio let alone request him)

    anyway my opinion’s this is NO BIG DEAL.compared to all the other shit,this doesn’t matter.

    Luv, you and I live in the same area (Northern VA). I, too, have never heard Adam on any radio station in the entire DC area. I will admit that I have done my fair share in requesting, but nothing OTT — always very polite without any harassment. Funny story — My husband and I were vacationing over New Years on the east coast. We happened to be staying at a Hilton Hotel. One of the days we were there I happened to be in the lobby when they played WWFM loudly and clearly. I had an OMG moment for sure!! Well, my husband happened to be in the pool area. He said it was coming through loud and clear in there as well. I actually went up to the front desk and asked the guy where it was coming from. He said from satellite radio.
    You know, this all seems like a big deal now. I agree that in the total scheme of things it really isn’t. We don’t want Adam burning any bridges this early in his career, but he has SO much going for him that has to way overshadow any of this.

  80. This it the first post Idol year where twitter is really involved and Adam has almost 300,000 followers and a lot of twitter activity. Just like some other artists — Bieber, Gaga, Katy Perry, and so on.

    OHP is a unique radio show. It is really the last non-corporate, no PD/MD major radio program left on US Radio. They play what people request.

    Thanks for keeping things in perspective, Q3. As technology evolves, so must these voting/requesting systems. I do think OHP contributed to the situation by tweeting the Adam fans in the first place, although obviously the problem arose from a small group of relentless tweeters. Regardless, Adam’s responding tweets were masterfully diplomatic (as always) and I really think this will all blow over shortly.

  81. Anyone else have a feeling that this will just make the overzealous fans go at it even harder? I can see the “OMG DON’T DISQUALIFY HIM WE’LL KILL YOU ALL” tweets coming.

    I’m not the biggest Adam fan, but I feel bad for him. If I were Adam I’d want to punch some of my own fans in the face. Of course that would be a very terrible idea.

    But props to Adam for a diplomatic response and respecting his fans. Although I’d probably try to get the message out in some way that sounds pretty kind and inoffensive so that you’d have to be really uptight to get offended. But maybe that’s just my love of laughing at uptight and overly self-entitled people talking >_>.

    Also, my sister heard WWFM on the radio, and I’ve heard LLWD twice on the radio and once in a restaurant (which also played FYE and FIBOU). And as much as I’m not a fan of Adam, I’ve been switching the station to hear if I could hear his songs (also in Sacramento). I do like WWFM. But I don’t listen to the radio much at all.

  82. Why!!!!!!
    People keep doing it!!!!!
    @openhouseparty was enjoying listening on line with glamily and supporting adam lambert…sorry didn’t know we were not welcome to listen
    Why? Who said we’re not welcome to listen?
    Don’t spam requesting 30 times per day and sending ridiculous tweets doesn’t mean we’re not welcome to listen.

    @openhouseparty you need 2 explain the Adam Lambert rules then. Yr issue seems to be that radio stations broadcast on the net. Not our fault

    Hope everybody leave alone Open house party or things could get worse.
    Also would like that people leave alone VHI, the homopobic comments were ridiculos FYE is not even the single anymore.
    Thanks God I bought Adam’s album because probably is going to be the only one he’s going to be able to record thanks to all this craziness

  83. I haven’t read all of the comments but OHP did the same thing to David Archuleta with his second single. People called in from all over the country to get his song played and they turned it off, saying it was spam. It really stinks.

  84. Pray that we haven’t opened up a can of worms. Adam fans needs to chill out and support him but in a safe manner. Pray that the cray-crays settle down and realize that they are hurting the one person that they seem to care about. If it is fans outside of the Adam base, then that is really sick. I can understand fans getting a little overboard. Now they can settle down. But if there are people out there trying to hurt him, wow you really needs meds, prozac, or something of that nature.

  85. Disclaimer, I am not one of the fans who requests for any artists’ songs on radio (left alone Adam’s). I never do those things in my life.
    However, here is my opinion.
    Most of other voting sites allow users to vote multiple times (VH1, MTV, People choice, Time, etc.). If multiple voting is not allowed, it should be clearly mentioned somewhere (similar to Ryan’s Kradison concert).
    I do not blame those people who voted multiple times for Adam, actually I felt for them. They invested their time in Adam. If they know the rules, they would not waste their time doing so.

  86. You are right about David Archuleta on VH1. His first video went crazy on VH1. Was on it for weeks and weeks. When his second came out, the same fans voted the same amount and VH1 refused to put it on their list. There were so many people on there saying David’s fans were crazy and he didn’t deserve to be on the show, etc. etc. I remember this clearly. I thought it was really unfair but oh well.

    I guarantee you that the overzealous fans ruined David’s 2nd video from getting on VH1. It happens every year.

  87. You know, this all seems like a big deal now. I agree that in the total scheme of things it really isn’t.

    I agree dcglam…we would be giving those nut cases waaay to much credit to think they could derail a talent like Adam. The blips like this go with the territory (unfortunately) of any artist.

    BTW..I’m planning a trip to Florida to visit my son and was just choosing a hotel ….you solved it! ..staying at a Hilton!!

  88. dcglam I live in the same area as you (Northern Virginia) and on the rare occassions that I happen to listen to the radio, I have never heard Adam. I did hear him once though when I went into the FYE at the mall where I work. Funnily enough, they were playing FYE! LOL. I have to admit I did a little internal squee at hearing it. But that’s been the only time I’ve heard his songs apart from the tv appearances, movie (not that I actually sat through 2012 but I did go in during the credits just to listen to it), Gridlock and my iTunes/ipod.

  89. girlygirl U are misleading people. Netmeg did NOT tweet itunes. She was tweeting her friends and updating her status on twitter about her own opinion in her own house. We can all go and twitter stalk peeps and find comments like these from ALL idol fans. Singling her out is just wrong.

  90. Why!!!!!!
    People keep doing it!!!!!
    @openhouseparty was enjoying listening on line with glamily and supporting adam lambert…sorry didn’t know we were not welcome to listen

    @openhouseparty you need 2 explain the Adam Lambert rules then. Yr issue seems to be that radio stations broadcast on the net. Not our fault

    Oh for the love of all that is pure and holy, I hate when people don’t understand these things that are put in clear cut language. It WAS some overzealous Glamberts who did it, so those “cray-cray” fans are at fault. “Explain the Adam Lambert rules”? Oy vey.

    I’m getting ready. (@”)=@ LET ME AT ‘EM!

    Also, Adam will get a second album, don’t worry about that :P.

  91. adamlambertfan8

    Yes, it happened on VH1 as well as OHP. I think it is totally unfair. Just because someone is popular with a lot of people and others complain, doesn’t mean they should be kicked off. IMO that is a big part of the reason his second single didn’t do better. It is maddening when you follow the same rules as everyone else, such as is the case for VH1 and it gets you in trouble.

  92. I hope Open House Party posts something to clear up the confusion. Because when I’ve heard the show, they have had people call into request songs and they’ve never said on twitter that they don’t accept requests. So even though fans shouldn’t be sending in multiple requests a day for the same song, the show should be responsible for explaining who can request stuff and how to go about it.

  93. BTW..I’m planning a trip to Florida to visit my son and was just choosing a hotel ….you solved it! ..staying at a Hilton!!

    LOL — Be sure to hang out in the lobby, Mainegal!!!

  94. OHP is actually a very popular syndicated radio show. It’s broadcast all over the country.

    Indeed. Here is a list of the stations OHP carries here. I did a quick count and my math could be off by 1 or 2, but it looks like they cover around 160 stations across the country. Some of these stations are monitored by Mediabase and some are not. The local CHR/Pop station here plays OHP on the weekends but none of the ones here are monitored stations.

  95. Yes, it happened on VH1 as well as OHP. I think it is totally unfair. Just because someone is popular with a lot of people and others complain, doesn’t mean they should be kicked off. IMO that is a big part of the reason his second single didn’t do better. It is maddening when you follow the same rules as everyone else, such as is the case for VH1 and it gets you in trouble.

    Most people think VH1 is not about the video or Adam but rather RCAs preparation for the release of the WWFM video.

  96. Q3
    01/04/2010 at 7:01 pm

    Kristen: To re-iterate. 99.9% of Adam fans are sane. All fan bases have a small precentage of fans that are somewhat less than 100% sane.

    I agree with your statistics — but that remaining 0.1% — bless my heart they are a bit wild!! LOL

    First of all great post Kristen, secondly you can say that again Q3, but I think more than a bit wild as I have witnessed a tiny bit first hand. This is the part of fandom that I loathe.

  97. Reminder:

    Still deleting fanwarring and fingerwagging posts. It’s very very frustrating.

  98. LOL — Be sure to hang out in the lobby, Mainegal!!!

    ….is the bar near the lobby??

  99. I was just talking to the DJ awhile ago and asked him if he knew about what happened and he said yes he had heard about it. I asked if it was gonna change the amount of times they play his song. He said probably not. But they may not add at this point.

    This is where I think Adam could get hurt, or at the very leas, turn into a punchline for radio stations like Clay did. Up to this point, the only people who know about the glamberts are those of us who post on AI related message boards, and now those who posted at VH1’s boards, but if their existence and behavior becomes public knowledge, the fall out won’t be good for Adam.

    Those who spammed the VH1 board, or tweeted nasty things to them should feel embarrassed, but I doubt that they do.

  100. Fans just need to relax and let things take their course. If WWFM or ANY single is going to take off and become a hit, it will happen without their requesting. Believe me, it will. I understand wanting to do all you can, I’ve been there myself, but in the long run your requests mean next to nothing. Stations will play what they want to play. Even OHP, which is supposedly “request-based”, plans out their playlist in advance. They could get a huge amount of requests for a song and ignore it and never play it. I’ve seen that happen several times. They’re going to do what they want to do, there’s no point in beating your head against a brick wall.

  101. Thanks God I bought Adam’s album because probably is going to be the only one he’s going to be able to record thanks to all this craziness

    LOL.the acopalypse is coming …
    @lorismile: :) :) :)

    played WWFM

    OMA!!!!! that’s awesome.I always knew I liked hilton :)

    I haven’t heard it anywhere.I’m getting so desperate that by this point I would be happy to hear FYE as evavator music.

    although in the verizon store (lol the ott Adam fan in me says no AT&T) a few months ago while my mom was waiting to fix her droid I was playing aroubg with some of the phones on display.I played FYE .What I didn’t realize though was the volume was on Full and I didn’t know how to turn it off.so until I figured that out EVERYONE in the verizon store heard FYE. Adams people should be paying me for this :p

  102. ….is the bar near the lobby??

    Yup — At least the one we were at…… ;)

  103. There is a DJ livestreaming now from Cleveland. He is taking requests for ADAM for a competition b/t Adam and some other group. He has a chat going on. He knows the fans on the chat are ADam fans but he seems to luv it. Go take a look. Someone just called and voted for Adam from NJ and the dj was excited his program was reaching so far.

    http://www.ustream.tv/channel/Kruz-Show

    My point is-some djs seem to like the hits.

  104. Babybelle32, you are so right. I am the one that talked to the DJ. He said he has heard about the overzealous fans that Adam has. He hasn’t had a problem at his station. But just knowing it makes it kind of rough. I hate it because this radio station plays Kris like every other hour. He did their jingle ball though so that is why they said they have to play him so much. But I feel for Adam. Do people not have lives or do they sit at their computer daily and think of ways to “so called” help Adam. Just let him go about his business and he’ll be okay. Learn the “only once a day” motto and “stay in your own area” motto and all will be okay.

  105. she also refuses to believe that that post on Adamofficial is actually from RCA. one of the reasons why she was banned in the first place was due to her ridiculous posts about how the mod on adamofficial was fake and how it was a Kris fan who broke into the website pretending to be a mod, how everything is a conspiracy

    oh lordy lord, what is wrong with some folks? im clinging to the belief that these OTT “fans” are either really young (15 and under) or just mentally challenged (perhaps clinically insane)…..the thought of an adult, with a job and family, doing shyt like this is beyond ridiculous.

    poor adam…the guy is in a tough spot. he cant reprimand his bat crazy fans as they are also the ones buying 10+ copies of his album…..and yet he cannot pretend this isn’t an issue and not hurting his relationships and image. ugh. if people actually do want the guy to succeed, they should calm the Fk down.

    girlygirl U are misleading people. Netmeg did NOT tweet itunes. She was tweeting her friends on twitter about her own little opinion in her own little house. We can all go and twitter stalk peeps and find comments like these from ALL idol fans. Singling her out is just wrong.

    she’s not misleading me , I can comprehend quite well that girlygirl meant with her post. some people were irate about the iTune numbers and she gives an example…and its not too farfetched to think that this might have led to some folks (not netmeg, but others who felt like her) to contact iTunes about their concern.

    umm, if they harassed VH1…

  106. and I’ve heard a lot of crap about “rational fans” and “cray-crays”.I’m honestly curious-is it possible to be a “rational” fan?

    LOL, well… I think you can be rational and be a fan, for sure. I think you’re probably overinvested if you’re following your Idol as closely as I still do mine :) but that doesn’t make you a “cray cray” fan. Rational fans don’t follow their Idol to every show neglecting their kids/spouses/jobs to do so… rational fans don’t bombard radio stations with 72 zillion requests and then if they don’t work tell the radio station they are homophobes… rational fans don’t twitter VH1 and tell them *they* are homophobes for taking FYE off their rotation… and so on. I mean, we all get sensitive/offended/whatever sometimes when someone says something about our guy/gal. I’ve had to step away from the keyboard now and again and just breathe. But that makes it rational… I know that my Idol doesn’t need me to come crusading to his rescue every time someone says something about him, even when I want to. Hee! I also don’t make glittery signs or wear earrings with David’s face on them :) . Now you could get away with making glittery signs because you’re a youngster, but I’d just look like a nutter, I’m 36.

    luv, you are beyond rational – you’re good. Hell, you’re more mature than I am :)

    And I feel your pain with not hearing Adam on 99.5… they never did play Cookie. I was proud and jealous (heh) all at the same time when I heard Kris on there.

  107. although ohp is a huge show I still don’t think it’s a big deal because well it’s only 1 week..

    And no, this particular incident isn’t going to end Adam’s career *but* continued stuff like this certainly could harm him. Seems like the most “devoted” fans don’t realize that they are actually hurting the object of their devotion when they act that way.

  108. dcglam I live in the same area as you (Northern Virginia) and on the rare occassions that I happen to listen to the radio, I have never heard Adam. I did hear him once though when I went into the FYE at the mall where I work. Funnily enough, they were playing FYE! LOL. I have to admit I did a little internal squee at hearing it. But that’s been the only time I’ve heard his songs apart from the tv appearances, movie (not that I actually sat through 2012 but I did go in during the credits just to listen to it), Gridlock and my iTunes/ipod.

    I agree that it is so frustrating, Cynthia101! Don’t know what is going on with this area, but I’m thrilled FYE was coming through in the mall!!

  109. she’s not misleading me , I can comprehend quite well that girlygirl meant with her post. some people were irate about the iTune numbers and she gives an example…and its not too farfetched to think that this might have led to some folks (not netmeg, but others who felt like her) to contact iTunes about their concern.

    But that is just a stretching assumption. What is the basis for thinking Netmeg had this twatter thought and now it is FACT that peeps contacted itunes?

  110. Can’t OHP just block the crazy fans? Is that possible on twitter? Seems extreme to punish the artist who has NOTHING to do with any of this.

  111. Not sure Adam’s message sunk in:

    GatorGirl830: @adamlambert we can do whatever we want just like you sweetheart- the radio stations are not going to blame you-stop fussing over it!

    LOL….it amazes me how thick headed some people can be. if this idiot cant see the big picture, she will never stop her OTT ways.

  112. @luvadamlambert I think if Adam is tweeting about it and RCA is posting about it, is because it’s a big deal.

    I hope this people get the message, Adam has worked very hard to get where he is right now, (Has worked very hard to get this opportunities)… It would be very sad if US the fans that love him, destroy everything.

    Hope people listen and don’t stop supporting him but start doing it following the rules.

  113. But that is just a stretching assumption. What is the basis for thinking Netmeg had this twatter thought and now it is FACT that peeps contacted itunes?

    girlygirl never said it was a FACT itunes received complaints. she was just using netmeg as an example in the conversation about the assumption if this happened…no different than what many of us have done in multiple post in multiple threads. use random twitter msgs to prove a point. i really dont see the issue…unless of course you are looking to find one. then have fun if thats your mentality.

  114. This week — OHP spins were +15 on Saturday and +10 on Sunday. As far as I can determine the disqualification was for the Sunday contest so cost Adam 10 potential spins.

    I think OHP played WWFM once on Saturday and 2 times on Sunday.. so that would be more spins than 10.

  115. I hate it because this radio station plays Kris like every other hour. He did their jingle ball though so that is why they said they have to play him so much.

    Comments like these drive me crazy. I don’t think that any station “has” to play any artist. There are still stations now that are adding songs like Paparazi and a couple weeks back thre was a station that just added Already Gone. The station did not have to have Kris at their Jingle Ball and does not have to play his music. I would think they had a program director or someone else in the higher ups that wanted to add him or invite him to a jingle ball. While there are possibly particular DJs that don’t like an artist, the DJs are not the ones that decide what songs are included in a specific station play list.

  116. Tell me I didn’t just read that from gatorgirl830. Jesus crimany, what the f–k is wrong with these people. Gator, get a life. If you care about him, go about your business and do the “one vote per day” thing. Adam needs to get a little harsher with people like that. Although there are too many of them.

  117. aladam

    I didn’t say anyone tweeted iTunes directly. I just said it wasn’t beyond the realm of possibility. I also think that it would be a handful of people at most — if anyone –who would do this.

    We could go back and look at all of the @replies for iTunes, but that would take more time than I’m willing to spend on this.

    my example of netmeg99 was to show that some people don’t seem to understand how the iTunes chart works. She was confusing album sales with singles sales.

  118. wand3rful…believe me, gatorgirl830 is no Adam fan. She’s a deluded, narcissistic, jackass. And you are right, people like that will never change their ways.

  119. I hate it because this radio station plays Kris like every other hour. He did their jingle ball though so that is why they said they have to play him so much.

    Well, if your station is a HAC station, they are playing his song because it is ranked 12th on that format, and the station doesn’t want to be 1 of only 10 HAC stations that aren’t playing it, or one of only 17 that hasn’t added it yet.

    If the station is a top 40 station, they are playing it because it is ranked 26th in that format, and is climbing up the charts.

    Since the competition is over, and LLWD getting spins has nothing to do with whether or not WWFM gets spins, I don’t understand the problem.

  120. Most of other voting sites allow users to vote multiple times (VH1, MTV, People choice, Time, etc.). If multiple voting is not allowed, it should be clearly mentioned somewhere (similar to Ryan’s Kradison concert).
    I do not blame those people who voted multiple times for Adam, actually I felt for them. They invested their time in Adam. If they know the rules, they would not waste their time doing so.

    I’m getting a little confused, so I may be wrong, but wasn’t the problem that they used twitter, and OHP does not accept requests via twitter? So tweeting numerous requests to a show that doesn’t accept requests via twitter would come under the heading of being annoying, I think.

    (Plus, the Saturday night version of OHP originates from John Garabedian’s house in a suburb of Boston. The studio is in his basement. So I don’t know what kind of staff he has or how overwhelming a sh!tload of tweets would be for him.)

    I agree dcglam…we would be giving those nut cases waaay to much credit to think they could derail a talent like Adam. The blips like this go with the territory (unfortunately) of any artist.

    The only other thing I want to add to this discussion is that it doesn’t necessarily take “crazy” fans to overwhelm radio stations and VH1 and so forth with requests. Well-meaning, “sane” fans who think they’re promoting their favorite also can and do cause this kind of problem.

    Someone I know who works in radio has told me that at times they’ve decided not to play certain songs in spite of a lot of requests even if the fans making the requests were polite, etc. The fact is, if it strikes them that the requests are all coming from a particular fanbase, they may not play the song because what they’re trying to do is please their listeners. And if the requests come from people they suspect are not their regular listeners, they just will ignore those requests. This is one reason people are asked not to request outside their area, for instance.

    If TPTB request that fans chill and follow the rules, I would take that seriously.

  121. wand3rful…believe me, gatorgirl830 is no Adam fan. She’s a deluded, narcissistic, jackass. And you are right, people like that will neverchange their ways.

    its scary how these type of folks find celebrities to devote their loyalty in an extreme irrational and unhealthy way. if it wasnt Adam, it might have been David Cook or whoever strikes her fancy.

    i have an idea…can we just deport these bytches? i hear Antarctica is beautiful this time of year :)

  122. GatorGirl830: @adamlambert we can do whatever we want just like you sweetheart- the radio stations are not going to blame you-stop fussing over it!

    Mainegal…..I agree with you that this is no fan of Adam. In fact I believe she is the exact opposite a nonfan trying to create trouble.

  123. Well they play LLWD because its a Top 40 hit on billboard, 12 on HAC, 26 on Pop and its top 50 on two other charts.

  124. i have an idea…can we just deport these bytches? i hear Antarctica is beautiful this time of year

    If twitter still works wherever we send them it won’t matter.

  125. I hate it because this radio station plays Kris like every other hour. He did their jingle ball though so that is why they said they have to play him so much.

    Nothing wrong with some Kris lovin’. KDND? I probably need to listen to it more often.

    Tell me I didn’t just read that from gatorgirl830. Jesus crimany, what the f–k is wrong with these people. Gator, get a life. If you care about him, go about your business and do the “one vote per day” thing. Adam needs to get a little harsher with people like that. Although there are too many of them.

    Say it, sibling! (didn’t want to say brother or sister >_>).

    By the way, is their statement anti-power voting, or is it just power voting from another city (kinda like that program that allowed voting outside your time slot on AI)? It kinda sounds like it’s against power-voting when you’re not allowed to, but some people are talking like it’s against any form of power voting >_>.

    And did OHP specifically say “no Twitter requesting” or something similar?

  126. What strikes me about this situation is what a nice family Adam comes from and how rational and in-the-real-world he and Neil are. Weren’t Adam’s series of tweets well composed and…..nice? And I love Neil’s attempts at reality checks for some of the more over-the-top fans.

    For the record, I consider myself quite the Adam fantard, and I’ve made ONE tweet to the local Lansing, MI radio station to request FYE.

  127. Man, I thought after amazing Gridlock that things would be peaceful now. Was I wrong! But ya know LOL….at all the “gates”

    Started I think with A T & T-gate (voting at finale), AMA-gate, ABC-gate, GMA-gate. pants-gate (glambulge at Gridlock!), Adampamboobie-gate, VH1-gate, OHP-gate. I know I left out some. Hopefully teflon Adam will just be fine.

  128. have an idea…can we just deport these bytches? i hear Antarctica is beautiful this time of year

    wand3rful…LOL… but the poor penguins!

    starstruck2000…maybe she’s exact oppisite.. but I don’t think she’s that clever. I checked out her twitter (only to be fair before I called her a deluded jackass)..and she’s just miserably hateful toward everything.

  129. I checked out the livestream mentioned above. I am a fan of Adam Lambert but let me tell you, I couldn’t stay on the site. I was embarrassed! The peeps in the chat (all with user names in some form of Adam-LOL) and the way they were carrying on in that chat was just so crazy (that’s the only word that comes to mind!) that I had to leave from second hand embarassment! There were a few crazy Kris fans in there as well. It sucks to be a fan of someone and be associated with the likes of some of those fans:(

  130. I think the real issue is voting so much that it becomes obvious that the votes are part of an organized fan effort. This has happened a lot with AI fans, and it’s why despite putting up large numbers in album sales, radio stations have not taken idols seriously in the past. Given the success of Crush, stations, VH1, and MTV should have been all over Archie’s second single, but none of them touched it. Stations aren’t fooled by the same old idol tricks that have been happening for years. Stations want requests from people who live in their area, they don’t care if you can hear them over the internet, that doesn’t help them with their advertisers.

  131. Weren’t Adam’s series of tweets well composed and…..nice?

    Of course they were. He’s got a good PR team. And how coincidental they appeared just after RCA posted on AO.

  132. And did OHP specifically say “no Twitter requesting” or something similar?

    I don’t think so. Here is tweets they have sent out about other artists:

    We’re doing a cool contest Sunday night to win more Lady Gaga Heartbeat headphones. Whoever can get us the most Twitter followers wins!

    Any questions for Rihanna?! She’s coming up in about 20 min. tweet us!

    and in response to a twitter:
    @OpenHouseParty Thanks for playing WWFM.. Love ya. (via @Glambert3599) no problem!!!

    So I don’t think they have a “don’t twitter” rule

  133. The issue is not about what rules OHP has about where you can request from or what “rules” any radio station has for requesting. The issue is that radio stations want to play what their listeners want to hear. And if they feel like the requests for a particular artist or song are all coming from a small, diehard fanbase, and do not represent their general listening audience, then they will just start ignoring requests for that artist and/or song altogheter.

    I agree that this one incident is not, in itself, a big deal. But, if it couldn’t have developed into a bigger deal, you can bet management wouldn’t have had Adam tweet about it.

    BTW, I wasn’t joking about people tweeting iTunes:

    @SillieGirl @iTunesMusic On your PopChart..How can Kris Allen be ahead of Adam Lambert when he has sold far less How can that be?

  134. I just noticed the Update from RCA, above. It sounds like the problem is that you are not supposed to request songs via twitter. For people that don’t normally request songs, how would you know about that?

    Sorry, guess this has already been asked, but I’m not sure answered….

  135. Mitla96
    01/04/2010 at 8:21 pm
    What strikes me about this situation is what a nice family Adam comes from and how rational and in-the-real-world he and Neil are. Weren’t Adam’s series of tweets well composed and…..nice?

    Mitla96..my first thought as well when I read them. I’m always impressed with how well spoken, generous, and gracious Adam is.

  136. @SillieGirl @iTunesMusic On your PopChart..How can Kris Allen be ahead of Adam Lambert when he has sold far less How can that be?

    Maybe she needs to learn how the charts work – since they are fluid charts and all.

  137. So I don’t think they have a “don’t twitter” rule

    It’s not up to the fans to think they have one or not, it is what they are saying is the reason for this. Adam and RCA have both asked the fans to stop the spamming. They’re not doing it on a whim. Why question and just not do as they ask? Anything otherwise is going to hurt Adam on radio…..and he needs radio to succeed.

  138. I agree that it is so frustrating, Cynthia101! Don’t know what is going on with this area, but I’m thrilled FYE was coming through in the mall!!

    I think my sister’s boyfriend will soon be DJing (or whatever you call it, they don’t have on-air DJs but play something more like a premixed song list) for 94.7 and he absolutely loves Adam and WWFM so if he can play it, I’m sure he will. Good for me that he also likes David Cook, lol.

    It seems to be terribly difficult for people to let.go.of.the.competition when it comes to radio play, sales, you name it. I think that while all celebs have fans in various ranges from normal to nuts, the contest aspect of Idol, plus the “ownership” because you voted for someone and helped them win, makes Idol fans a little possessive, lol.

  139. And I love Neil’s attempts at reality checks for some of the more over-the-top fans.

    I read that – heh, I like his wit. But then some of the comments about it skeered me, how he needs Adam’s fans and how there’s no shame in riding Adam’s coattails and so on.

  140. 01/04/2010 at 6:14 pm

    and to stop tweeting iTunes demanding to know why Kris is ahead of Adam on their charts.

    Please tell me that is a joke (that they aren’t really doing that). I can’t tell anymore.

    Please tell Me this is a joke……jeez

    That has to be a joke. Itunes is on twitter?

    Kirsten I agree with some of your early post very fair, thanks.

  141. This may be one of the dumbest things I have heard in a long time.

    How do you vote for OHP…is it on there website, phone in?????

    Also, does it post guidelines for voting somewhere, or state that excessive voting or twittering will result in a disqualification?

  142. It’s not up to the fans to think they have one or not, it is what they are saying is the reason for this. Adam and RCA have both asked the fans to stop the spamming. They’re not doing it on a whim. Why question and not just do as they ask?

    clearone…I wish for a world where simple logic like this prevailed. Maybe if we all screamed it from the rooftops, or tatooed it on their foreheads…any other suggestions??

  143. Other examples……angry tweets wont help either.

    @OpenHouseParty – don’t worry, I won’t be requesting anything from you anymore, there are thousands of radio stations.
    8 minutes ago from web

    @OpenHouseParty – bitching about how often we request Adam Lambert is BS, It’s the most publicity you people ever had!

    I dont think these people love Adam as much as I do, how sending angry tweets would help?
    Today I’m sad and worried :(

  144. I think my sister’s boyfriend will soon be DJing (or whatever you call it, they don’t have

    on

    -air DJs but play something more like a premixed song list) for 94.7 and he absolutely loves Adam and WWFM so if he can play it, I’m sure he will. Good for me that he also likes David Cook, lol.

    AWESOME WHEN??!!

  145. What strikes me about this situation is what a nice family Adam comes from and how rational and in-the-real-world he and Neil are. Weren’t Adam’s series of tweets well composed and…..nice?

    Mitla96..my first thought as well when I read them. I’m always impressed with how well spoken, generous, and gracious Adam is.

    ITA! Adam is extremely articulate.

    Neil’s note about facebook was hilarious. I love his snarky, smart-ass personality.

    But that is just a stretching assumption. What is the basis for thinking Netmeg had this twatter thought and now it is FACT that peeps contacted itunes?

    girlygirl never said it was a FACT itunes received complaints. she was just using netmeg as an example in the conversation about the assumption if this happened…

    I have to admit I was a bit confused for a minute. I did think that complaining to iTunes must have come from some fan who has the IQ of a gnat. I’m glad someone cleared up that the accusation was just a wild “what-if” assumption.

  146. I think my sister’s boyfriend will soon be DJing (or whatever you call it, they don’t have on-air DJs but play something more like a premixed song list) for 94.7 and he absolutely loves Adam and WWFM so if he can play it, I’m sure he will.

    I’m so happy to hear this, tierbee!!

  147. ross
    01/04/2010 at 8:15 pm

    Most of other voting sites allow users to vote multiple times (VH1, MTV, People choice, Time, etc.). If multiple voting is not allowed, it should be clearly mentioned somewhere (similar to Ryan’s Kradison concert).
    I do not blame those people who voted multiple times for Adam, actually I felt for them. They invested their time in Adam. If they know the rules, they would not waste their time doing so.

    I’m getting a little confused, so I may be wrong, but wasn’t the problem that they used twitter, and OHP does not accept requests via twitter? So tweeting numerous requests to a show that doesn’t accept requests via twitter would come under the heading of being annoying, I think.

    Up until this weekend with no warning tweeting requests has been acceptable at OHP with OHP tweeting to Adams fans also with no animosity shown.

  148. Other examples……angry tweets wont help either.

    @OpenHouseParty – don’t worry, I won’t be requesting anything from you anymore, there are thousands of radio stations.
    8 minutes ago from web

    @OpenHouseParty – bitching about how often we request Adam Lambert is BS, It’s the most publicity you people ever had!

    I dont think these people love Adam as much as I do, how sending angry tweets would help?
    Today I’m sad and worried

    Oh I just want to box some people’s ears! This is a prime example of some who think this doesn’t pertain to them or Adam. They just don’t get what harm this can do to Adam’s career. Please God give these people a clue!

  149. AWESOME WHEN??!!

    I’ll ask. I don’t want to give out his name or anything so he doesn’t get angry with me… but I’ll let you know when he starts and if he’ll be playing WWFM. He LOVES Adam and loves the album. I’m betting he spins some of those club mixes when he DJs. I will have to ask him about that, too!

  150. Adam was just talked about on Bill O’Reilly. I missed it but apparently he just wanted to clarify it was not him talking about Adam’s dad but instead Dennis Miller.

  151. Laury…….please know I’m talking about those you quoted and not you! I know you are genuinely concerned. I just read my last post and it doesn’t sound quite right and I can’t figure out how to edit it.

  152. AWESOME WHEN??!!

    I’ll ask. I don’t want to give out his name or anything so he doesn’t get angry with me… but I’ll let you know when he starts and if he’ll be playing WWFM. He LOVES Adam and loves the album. I’m betting he spins some of those club mixes when he DJs. I will have to ask him about that, too!

    That’s pretty cool. A DJ in the family can offer up some great perks too.

  153. I personally like Adam’s response. There’s nothing he can do about it so why should he bitch out all of his fans? He did what he needs to do and explain that although he appreciates their effort, they are overdoing it.
    Plus, he only got kicked off for one week… its not like they’re banning him for months……

    Hopefully those over-invested fans will listen. I doubt it but one can hope!

  154. mmb
    01/04/2010 at 6:17 pm

    Well, to add to the levity, apparently a bunch of Justin Bieber fans are angry-tweeting a Z-100 dj accusing him of fixing the z-100 awards because he supposedly likes Adam….the crazies come in all shapes and sizes, and are fans of all types of artists

    This whole thing is so f****d up, very upsetting. I listen to the Z-100 all the time, it is also the preferred station at work, but I called no more then 2 times total and I never even knew about this voting thing. I like to hear songs that I like on the radio and I am a big Adam fan, but to harass dj or anybody else is just sick, IMO. Also, now I understand why when the dj announced that Adam had won the new artist of the year he said someting like “sorry justin fans and you could see the percentages on the site”.

  155. A couple tweets from Open House Party to Adam fans:

    PHOTOS: Adam Lambert @adamlambert fans check him out on new years eve! Because we love you

    @Adamlambert fans whoops here’s the photos

    Yes @adamlambert fans, I will! You know you don’t have to ask.., I got chu! Lol hope all my Lambert fans had a wonderful holiday!

    Jeez you Lambert mo-fo’s are loyal as hell! Only you could find a way to answer “lambert” in resonse to s young money question! Lol luv ya

    Tweets like this probably encouraged fans. What are the guidelines for this thing? Is voting encouraged in the form of tweets or emails? Are you supposed to call in? What if you are listening to the show on your computer? Doesn’t that count as listening?

    I have never voted at OHP, nor do I request any song from any artist on the radio. I bought one cd and attended one concert this summer. I also consider myself to be a pretty invested Adam fan. It seems that most the fans I encounter here or on fansites are more like me than those highly overinvested fans.

  156. I haven’t read all of the comments but OHP did the same thing to David Archuleta with his second single. People called in from all over the country to get his song played and they turned it off, saying it was spam. It really stinks.

    Was David A. disqualified from the show as well?

    mj, do you remember this? Do you have any more information about it?

  157. A DJ in the family can offer up some great perks too.

    Hey, if nothing else we got a great DJ at my mom’s 60th b-day party for one seriously good rate lol . He’s really good, one of the best I’ve seen at knowing his crowd and adjusting his music to it. He used to DJ for my brother sometimes when my brother had shows (he was a rapper), which we never could have afforded if he wasn’t dating my sister ;)

    I texted my sister, will post any info she can feed me. I asked her when he starts and to give me a heads up if he was going to spin WWFM so I could give you guys the news – told her to tell him he’d have himself some new fans if he did it :)

  158. Holy smokes….I just did a search on @openhouseparty and there are some really f**ked up fans out there. YIKES!

  159. Most DJs don’t have the freedom to just spin what they want. The station has playlists that are set by program directors, and the DJs do what they are told.

  160. Up until this weekend with no warning tweeting requests has been acceptable at OHP with OHP tweeting to Adams fans also with no animosity shown.

    But I think “numerous” was the key word here. Numerous requests.

  161. I haven’t read all of the comments but OHP did the same thing to David Archuleta with his second single. People called in from all over the country to get his song played and they turned it off, saying it was spam. It really stinks.

    Was David A. disqualified from the show as well?

    Really? So this is something that has happened with idol fanbases before?

  162. Most DJs don’t have the freedom to just spin what they want. The station has playlists that are set by program directors, and the DJs do what they are told.

    True, though this station has a sorta different set up without an on-air DJ, it’s done as a “mix tape” sort of thing. If there’s any way he can play WWFM, he will. I’m not making promises :) , but if he does, I’ll let folks know. It’s a HAC station, so we’ll see.

  163. I texted my sister, will post any info she can feed me. I asked her when he starts and to give me a heads up if he was going to spin WWFM so I could give you guys the news – told her to tell him he’d have himself some new fans if he did it :)

    oh geeze don’t scare him

    See I can laugh at myself :)

  164. Why question and not just do as they ask?

    Because the guilty parties never, ever think they are the ones causing the problems. It’s always someone else, off in the ether…

    Why a fan, be it of Adam, Clay, Archie, Taylor, or whoever, gets it in their heads that they need to be unpaid A&R, unpaid PR, or unpaid mommy remains a great big mystery.

  165. ross
    01/04/2010 at 9:20 pm

    Up until this weekend with no warning tweeting requests has been acceptable at OHP with OHP tweeting to Adams fans also with no animosity shown.

    But I think “numerous” was the key word here. Numerous requests.

    I know this ross but a lot of people don’t have OHP radio stations anywhere near them and listen over the internet to the closest one, but the guidelines do not say anything about that and that they do not consider internet listeners as real listeners.

    But that still does not excuse the nutters twatting incessantly!

  166. But I think “numerous” was the key word here. Numerous requests.

    I would think it was pretty significantly obnoxious for them to make this big of a fuss over it, lol.

  167. listening to the interactive 9 at 9 on z-100, WWFM is #3, feeling a little better… hopefully the whole thing won’t hurt Adam too much, some fans really need to chill and let Adam do his thing!

  168. oh geeze don’t scare him

    LOL, I promised I wouldn’t give out his name!

  169. Holy smokes….I just did a search on @openhouseparty and there are some really f**ked up fans out there. YIKES!

    those are not fans.

  170. So does this mean Adam might fall out of Top 40 next week?

    No, the song is still doing well. But, if his fans don’t watch it, it could result in the song stalling before it’s able to get really high on the chart.

  171. So I went to OHP website and I personally can’t find any info on the do’s or don’ts of voting for songs on there show. Now I do believe that it seems common sense that to much of anything is not a great approach, yet on the other hand if your not going to spell out what the rules are, then making up a rule to disqualify someone from there show, just makes them look a bit stupid IMHO.

  172. those are not fans.

    I just looked at those tweets. How are they not fans? Their background picture is Adam Lambert. All they tweet about ALL day is Adam Lambert. Are you saying there is some mass conspiracy where people are creating fake twitter accounts to twitter about Adam hundreds of times a day for weeks on end?

  173. washpd
    01/04/2010 at 9:19 pm

    Most DJs don’t have the freedom to just spin what they want. The station has playlists that are set by program directors, and the DJs do what they are told.

    And this applies doubly or triply to Clear Channel stations, including the ones in D.C. Actually, some of them don’t even have individual program directors, they follow playlists set by Clear Channel nationally.

  174. I just looked at those tweets. How are they not fans? Their background picture is Adam Lambert. All they tweet about ALL day is Adam Lambert. Are you saying there is some mass conspiracy where people are creating fake twitter accounts to twitter about Adam hundreds of times a day for weeks on end?

    Some people are obsessed for bad/destruction. Don’t you know of websites or forums that just post negativity about people all day? Its a different type of “fandom” but its not for the best interest of the party writing or obsessing about. I think that is what the poster means. A real fan wouldn’t do this crazy shit.

  175. So does this mean Adam might fall out of Top 40 next week?

    Very, very unlikely (not going to happen).

  176. So I went to OHP website and I personally can’t find any info on the do’s or don’ts of voting for songs on there show. Now I do believe that it seems common sense that to much of anything is not a great approach, yet on the other hand if your not going to spell out what the rules are, then making up a rule to disqualify someone from there show, just makes them look a bit stupid IMHO.

    I still can’t believe they made a big brouhaha about it. They could have tweeted that they are no longer taking request by tweet or announced it on air.

  177. As I said, it’s not about “rules” of the competition. It’s about them trying to discern who is actually popular among their listeners, as opposed to who just has the most diehard fans willing to spam them. They want to play songs that will get more people to listen. If they get the idea that a lot of the votes for a particular song are not truly representative of what their listeners want to hear, then they will just ignore them.

  178. I know this ross but a lot of people don’t have OHP radio stations anywhere near them and listen over the internet to the closest one, but the guidelines do not say anything about that and that they do not consider internet listeners as real listeners.

    Okay, adamland, I see your point now. :)

  179. those are not fans.

    I just looked at those tweets. How are they not fans? Their background picture is Adam Lambert. All they tweet about ALL day is Adam Lambert. Are you saying there is some mass conspiracy where people are creating fake twitter accounts to twitter about Adam hundreds of times a day for weeks on end?

    no, I’m saying they are not fans in my belief of what a fan is. But hon you can think whatever you want to think.

  180. When I read about this kind of stuff, I just feel so bad for Adam :-( It is so freaking unfair for stupid, crazy fans to ruin it for him. I mean, just use common sense, people!

    I LURVE Adam like you wouldn’t believe it, bought the album, vote in online polls, etc. But THERE IS A FREAKING LIMIT! I vote once or twice (if more than one vote is allowed). I don’t spam, I don’t buy 100 copies of the cd, because what does that accomplish in the bigger scheme of things. JFC – poor Adam, that’s all I can say :-(

  181. thanks tierbee! :)

    Tony that was NOT NEEDED……:/…..but,ok,just like Arkansas and their stupid power-voting is the only reason Adam doesn’t have the plastic trophy(I feel so stupid((not calling u stupid-not a personal insult)) sinking to this level….)

  182. (On a side note to my 94.7 talk, they have some “rate the music” thing ostensibly to build their playlist and so far I’ve had two I Do Not Hook Up, My Life Would Suck w/o You, Crush, Come Back to Me, Time of My Life… heh. All in the first part)

  183. So I went to OHP website and I personally can’t find any info on the do’s or don’ts of voting for songs on there show. Now I do believe that it seems common sense that to much of anything is not a great approach, yet on the other hand if your not going to spell out what the rules are, then making up a rule to disqualify someone from there show, just makes them look a bit stupid IMHO.

    Some Adam fans seem to need a lot of hand-holding when it comes to these type of things.

    If fans of other artists understand the rules (written and unwritten), then why can’t Adam fans? I see it totally unnecessary and improbable for a DJ to dictate a rule for every imaginable scenario. Not spamming the phones lines or twitter aren’t the ONLY unwritten rules.

    Maybe Adam needs to release a list of what his fans are capable of, and then the DJs can proceed from there.

  184. no, I’m saying they are not fans in my belief of what a fan is. But hon you can think whatever you want to think.

    Well, hon, what is you definition of a fan? Someone who doesn’t embarrass all the other Adam fans? I don’t think that’s how it works lol. Those crazies are Adam fans pure and simple, no matter how much you all try to distance yourself.

  185. I still can’t believe they made a big brouhaha about it. They could have tweeted that they are no longer taking request by tweet or announced it on air.

    They didn’t make the brouhaha about it, RCA and Adam did.

  186. Those crazies are Adam fans pure and simple, no matter how much you all try to distance yourself.

    It would surely be nice if we could put the crazy fans into their own little box, but alas, we cannot.

  187. Well, hon, what is you definition of a fan? Someone who doesn’t embarrass all the other Adam fans? I don’t think that’s how it works lol. Those crazies are Adam fans pure and simple, no matter how much you all try to distance yourself.

    My definition is someone who respects the artists career and will not do something to hurt it such as sending angry tweets to a radio station that plays his song. So to me they are not fans.

  188. gangreen29
    01/04/2010 at 9:37 pm

    those are not fans.

    I just looked at those tweets. How are they not fans? Their background picture is Adam Lambert. All they tweet about ALL day is Adam Lambert. Are you saying there is some mass conspiracy where people are creating fake twitter accounts to twitter about Adam hundreds of times a day for weeks on end?

    I believe the meaning behind that is that people who are fans of someone will listen to their “idols” wishes and do what is best for the “idol” not continue to rant and rave and twat like a crazy loon. Those are not “fans” to me either. They are complete idiots.

  189. Found this at AO:

    RCA * Update: Multiple requests to Open House Party’s Twitter account – where no requests are accepted – was the primary culprit to this week’s disqualification (Adam will be eligible again next week).

    Look at these tweets from OHP:

    @OpenHouseParty Do twitter requests even count? Or do all requests need to be by phone? Thanks again. :) (via —–) they DEF count!
    8:53 PM Nov 28th, 2009 from Twitterrific

    So, twitter requests definately count?

    To find a station for OHP go to http://www.openhouseparty.com and click “stations.” then just google it to find their site and click “listen live”
    8:53 AM Dec 20th, 2009 from Twitterrific

    So they are encouraging listening on the computer?

  190. Hey, can I get out of the shithouse. When I was talking about Kris being on the station many times during the day, I didn’t mean it in a negative way. I like Kris alot. I was just showing the different in play time. No comparison of each other. I believe they are totally different artists. So I am glad for Kris.

    I really hope things calm down and the crazies come to their senses. Really, I sometimes believe their is a mental issue going on. How can one honestly believe that by doing something against what the person they care for is right? I honestly don’t get it. It is kind of scarry. Adam is in such a bind. Sometimes I think he needs to get rid of the crazies and be a little more blunt.

  191. I still can’t believe they made a big brouhaha about it. They could have tweeted that they are no longer taking request by tweet or announced it on air.

    They didn’t make the brouhaha about it, RCA and Adam did.

    They went to RCA, so now instead simple request tweets, they are getting crazy nasty tweets. This could have been nipped with OHP simply stating “WE DO NOT TAKE REQUEST VIA TWITTER”

  192. Some Adam fans seem to need a lot of hand-holding when it comes to these type of things.

    If fans of other artists understand the rules (written and unwritten), then why can’t Adam fans?

    Because the rules are unclear. (Please see my post above.)

    I guess some of Archie’s fans needed their hands held also, because the same thing happened to his song at OHP.

  193. Wonder if Adam, RCA and OHP realized the can of worms they were opening…..fans on AO researching and finding old tweets….instead of just taking a breath and requesting it as Adam asked.

    Maybe it was more than OHP…maybe Adam and RCA are trying to stop the radio spamming and just let nature take its course.

  194. They went to RCA, so now instead simple request tweets, they are getting crazy nasty tweets. This could have been nipped with OHP simply stating “WE DO NOT TAKE REQUEST VIA TWITTER

    This!.

  195. Sometimes the reason you piss people off (like DJs) doesn’t make any sense and sometimes it’s unfair, etc., but if they have the power and you don’t, you basically have to kiss their ass. So (imho) that’s why it doesn’t pay to question why, just take it for what it is, do whatever they suggest, and don’t piss them off next time.

  196. I still can’t believe they made a big brouhaha about it. They could have tweeted that they are no longer taking request by tweet or announced it on air.

    They didn’t make the brouhaha about it, RCA and Adam did.

    They went to RCA, so now instead simple request tweets, they are getting crazy nasty tweets. This could have been nipped with OHP simply stating “WE DO NOT TAKE REQUEST VIA TWITTER”

    It’s not OHP’s fault that Adam has more than his share of what is termed BSC fans. Reasonable people would not be reacting this way and Adam’s request would be honoured……but no, the BSC fans think they know better and will show OHP. These ‘fans’ need to get a clue. This is the way it is. Deal with it or forget hearing Adam on the radio.

  197. Adam was just talked about on Bill O’Reilly. I missed it but apparently he just wanted to clarify it was not him talking about Adam’s dad but instead Dennis Miller.

    Wow! This is very interesting. I’m wondering where this sudden admission is coming from, Billy????

  198. Sometimes the reason you piss people off (like DJs) doesn’t make any sense and sometimes it’s unfair, etc., but if they have the power and you don’t, you basically have to kiss their ass. So (imho) that’s why it doesn’t pay to question why, just don’t piss them off.

    I agree in this situation, and what’s going on with twitter right now is downright stupid. The angry tweets are not going to help anyone.

  199. How do we know if the nasty twitters aren’t trolls taking advantage of the situation? Honestly many people hate Adam and his fans enough to do this.

  200. A fan, or enthusiast, or devotee to a particular artist, sport team, politician, whatever….implies (IMHO) that the person finds enjoyment in their object of affection, will invest time and money to attend a performance or discuss him with friends, and above all wishes them success. These are all positive aspects, positive energy. Negative behavior that is a detriment, causing harm or damage is not from a “fan”… no matter how they choose to define themselves and how many Adam avatars they use. It’s narcissistic and self-serving.

  201. I do’t uderstad bsc crazy fans…it never works. WWFM is a good song..let it take its natural course.

  202. Here’s the thing. If Adam’s song is going to grow on radio, it’s not going to be because his crazy fans spam radio stations requesting the song. It’s going to be because the song gets a positive response from people who aren’t already fans or who hadn’t yet heard the song. You can’t force a song to grow on radio by spamming stations. If the PDs like it and/or the listeners like it, it will grow. If they don’t, it won’t. If the radio people feel like the only “listeners” they’re hearing from are diehard fans trying to force the song on, they are just going to ignore them.

  203. I think the main thing is to use common sense and to learn from the Idols who have come before and run into this problem. Bottom line, don’t overdo it with the requesting, when it comes to radio. I remember how much the dj’s *hated* Clay’s fans and were so derisive of them before it was all over. Seriously, it hurt him so much, and he also asked his fans to mellow out but they didn’t listen.

    On Adam’s webpages, fans can ask other fans not to do this. Can reach them through twitter too. A lot of them probably don’t read mj’s.

    It’s no use to blame the radio station or ask why they didn’t spell things out. Just rest assured that this is a well-known problem with Idols, because their fans are used to power-voting for them on the show, and they think they should continue doing it in the real world, but it really backfires, especially with dj’s. Some fandoms are aware of this problem from the start, and caution each other not to do it. Those who have been there from the start of Idol have seen this before, and those cautionary tales are really meant to be helpful, not to criticize fans.

    How do we know if the nasty twitters aren’t trolls taking advantage of the situation? Honestly many people hate Adam and his fans enough to do this.

    I don’t mean to keep bringing up Clay, but I saw it all happen firsthand. This is the kind of thing the more rabid fans used to say, blaming it all on “trolls” or on Ruben and Kelly fans, and other various haters, never wanting to admit it was Clay’s fans causing the problems. Conspiracy theories about haters and trolls don’t help anyone. Fans can nip this in the bud by encouraging other fans to slow down.

  204. How do we know if the nasty twitters aren’t trolls taking advantage of the situation? Honestly many people hate Adam and his fans enough to do this.

    Are you being serious?

    Edit: Oh, come on, Squirrely. That is obviously a troll (it’s Jim Cantiello, who loves Adam, but has not made a secret about the fact that his contingent of BSC fans are annoying as hell). And that person ISN’T tweeting OHP. He’s mocking the very people who ARE the problem.

  205. I just started reading all of this. Wow!
    I’m confused. Are the radio stations threatening to adversely affect Adam? Why? Is it a punishment for actions by over zealous fans? What exactly upset these radio stations enough to have RCA and Adam make statements?
    I bow to all of you guys b/c you really are in the know…I’m not!
    Since lurking on MJs, one thing I learned, the music business is one tough industry.
    My prediction is Adam’s amazing talent, charm, intelligence will make him a huge worldwide success!

  206. Edit: Oh, come on, Squirrely. That is obviously a troll. And that person ISN’T tweeting OHP. He’s mocking the very people who ARE the problem.

    I posted it as a joke – I know it’s Jim C’s from MTV

  207. OHP should not punish Adam for this. OHP is responsible for their twitter account and how to deal with spam. By punishing Adam, they are opening door for bad people to take advantage of the situation in the future. If a person disliked an artist, that person would spam OHP with twitter requests so that artist would be disqualified. (I did not say it was the case that happened to Adam.)

    In my company, if the employees’ mailboxes were bombarded with spam mails and junk mails from the outsiders. My company would not punish the employees for those emails, they would find a way to prevent the spam.

  208. but if they have the power and you don’t, you basically have to kiss their ass.

    LOL, true, but I think part of it is frustation, since dj’s don’t have much say anymore about what songs to play, it is mostly decided by the program directors, so to harass dj’s doesn’t do anything but annoy them.

    With many, there’s also a built-in disdain for all things Idol, so the overzealous requesting doesn’t help matters.

  209. I don’t think there’s a whole lot of “fair” in the music business. It’s a tough industry, and it isn’t the place for rebellion… OHP clearly doesn’t want a ton of tweets, so you just don’t do it. Though, again, reason doesn’t get through to crazy people so… preaching to the choir, and all that, lol.

  210. How do we know if the nasty twitters aren’t trolls taking advantage of the situation? Honestly many people hate Adam and his fans enough to do this.

    Are you being serious?

    Well I may be a little naive but I have read some of the nasty stuff written about Adam’s fans, if someone is going to take the time to post that nasty stuff on a blog (over and over again) why wouldn’t they send off a nasty twitter posing as a fan?

  211. With many, there’s also a built-in disdain for all things Idol, so the overzealous requesting doesn’t help matters.

    And that is a big issue, too – many of these DJs already are predisposed to point and laugh at Idols so when the crazy fans give them ammo… well, it certainly doesn’t help the Idol. Fair or not… it is what it is. It sucks, lol.

  212. In my company, if the employees’ mailboxes were bombarded with spam mails and junk mails from the outsiders. My company would not punish the employees for those emails, they would find a way to prevent the spam.

    outer..so smart and logical.

  213. OHP should not punish Adam for this. OHP is responsible for their twitter account and how to deal with spam. By punishing Adam, they are opening door for bad people to take advantage of the situation in the future. If a person disliked an artist, that person would spam OHP with twitter requests so that artist would be disqualified. (I did not say it was the case that happened to Adam.)

    OHP can do whatever they want, it’s their show. Blaming OHP doesn’t make any sense. Clearly Adam and RCA don’t blame them otherwise they wouldn’t have made a point of telling fans to knock it off.

  214. Here’s the other one. Man, I do so love google:

    Thanks. Honestly, I couldn’t remember anything about it to even google…

  215. How do we know if the nasty twitters aren’t trolls taking advantage of the situation? Honestly many people hate Adam and his fans enough to do this.

    Are you being serious?

    Every fanbase has crazies and every fanbase has trolls. Nothing new. Fanbases of all of the idols need to learn from history that spamming just pisses off the radio stations and as said above gives them ammunition to ridicule anything idol. As to many hating Adam, that also happens to all idols and it is something you learn to deal with.

    This is not unique to Adam. Everyone needs to do what RCA asked.

  216. For those that are not familiar with OHP. It is a four hour radio show that comes on many syndicated shows on Saturday and Sunday nights. It is livestreamed at several stations and covers alot of stations sorta like Ryan Seacrest. During each weekend night show, they ask for people to request songs. On Sunday night, the top three requested songs get played at the end of the show-which is about 11:45 p.m.. There is no voting polls or voting period. Just requesting songs on the phone or on twitter.

    Thanks for the info….

  217. MJ made it clear at the top of her post that this happens every year:

    It happens every year when the first singles drop.

    Fans who can’t quite get the hang of the notion that the competition is OVER and that the future of their favorite Idol is no longer in their hands get a little…overzealous in support of their favorite.

    And it’ll happen next year, too, I’d imagine!

  218. Here’s the thing. If Adam’s song is going to grow on radio, it’s not going to be because his crazy fans spam radio stations requesting the song. It’s going to be because the song gets a positive response from people who aren’t already fans or who hadn’t yet heard the song.

    Absolutely. And the funny thing is, the song is getting a really positive response on the radio, and it seems to be growing very well. The crazies just need to let the song take its natural course, but I guess that kind of logic is beyond them.

    And for people saying “the rules are fuzzy”: There may be a few gray areas, but surely “Don’t call/e-mail the radio station 30 times a day” is pretty obvious?

  219. Why would I call a radio station and request a song I own?

    Heh, I own two copies of “Light On” but I still did a few requests for it locally in a most rational way, I might add (hee!). It’s cool to hear your Idol on the radio… there’s no other reason to request it than you want to hear them on the radio.

  220. And for people saying “the rules are fuzzy”: There may be a few gray areas, but surely “Don’t call/e-mail the radio station 30 times a day” is pretty obvious?

    Apparently not. And Adam sabotaged his own “calm down” message by following it with repeated assertations of his love for his fans’ crazy, assurances that they don’t have to STOP voting, just vote less, and etc… diluting the message enough that a lot of people will just ignore it.

    Still, I hope it’s a wake up call and will make at least some fans cool it a bit, and not damage Adam’s standing with radio irreparably. I hear that’s what the Claymates did– although some say that he just wasn’t played on radio because his songs sucked. lol.

  221. Why would I call a radio station and request a song I own?

    For funsies. ^.^

  222. Did somebody mention how long it would take before homophobia got thrown into the mix with the OHP debacle? Here’s some good ole “let’s blame homophobia” straight from twitter:

    suebrody1: @Glambert2337 Of course we ALWAYS get slammed. I do not understand. Homophobia on the right, fans on the left? WTF???

    Fortunately, that seems to be the exception and not the rule but it was predictable that it would be thrown out there. Anything to avoid admitting maybe, just maybe, some of the obsessive tweeters went too far.

  223. Oh just a word on OHP and altnoy since it was brought up. They had said they werent going to play it cause to many fans were requesting at once or something. But personally I really dont think they had intentions of playing it to start with since it wasnt top 40 on the charts. Also i think back thread someone mentioned the video not being played on vh1, vh1 is more hac, and altnoy wasnt on the hac charts, so no reason to play it there.

    But I do find it weird that OHP played WWFM before it was even ON the charts to begin with.. and then spinning it alot. just saying….. They didnt even jump on crush that fast. pretty sure it was at least top 40 or a bit higher when they played crush.

  224. Heh, I own two copies of “Light On” but I still did a few requests for it locally in a most rational way, I might add (hee!). It’s cool to hear your Idol on the radio… there’s no other reason to request it than you want to hear them on the radio.

    Of course. It makes you feel happy. I heard (I’m pretty sure) Kris’ “Red Guitar” at Shoprite last night and I was thinking, “I know that guy!” I don’t think I’ve even heard the song before, but I knew Kris had a song like that and it sounded like Kris. The first time I heard WWFM in my car I was like “Yay”!!!

  225. For those that are not familiar with OHP. It is a four hour radio show that comes on many syndicated shows on Saturday and Sunday nights. It is livestreamed at several stations and covers alot of stations sorta like Ryan Seacrest. During each weekend night show, they ask for people to request songs. On Sunday night, the top three requested songs get played at the end of the show-which is about 11:45 p.m.. There is no voting polls or voting period. Just requesting songs on the phone or on twitter.

    I listened to several OHP shows on Saturday (Sunday is reserved for NFL). It’s pretty much a POP song show, and I get tired listening to it quickly. I don’t know how they do it, but some fans are able to track how many spins an OHP play makes – it seems not all OHP plays have the same impact, probably because stations can choose whether to sync with OHP based on their own schedules. Sometimes an OHP makes 20+ spins sometimes it makes 5-7 spins. So this weekend without OHP playing WWFM, it may lose 50 some spins.

    ETA, I found that searching for OTT Adam fans’ tweets is as hilarious as the tweets.

  226. My prediction is Adam’s amazing talent, charm, intelligence will make him a huge worldwide success!

    Yeah…..FTW!!! LOL

    There haven’t been angry tweets to openhouseparty in a while so I think it’s all good!

  227. Most of the tweets I see are people apologizing to OHP, yeah they are still bombarding them with tweets but not nasty as some indicated. I don’t care to look further, but at a glance they seem pretty tame.

  228. Why would I call a radio station and request a song I own?

    Whattaya mean?

    If you have the song, and you request it.. it’s not about you. It’s exposure for your artist. People who listen to the same radio station on their way to work every day are able to hear your favorite band if you request it.

    Songs can’t get a positive response if they’re never heard. And the more you hear something, the more you like it (within reason).. but then there comes a point where it’s just become a big turn off and it’s over played and you’re sick of it.

    But I totally get requesting a song. I’m not really brave enough to call a radio station lol but if I was, you best believe I’d be requesting something by the Killers. But NOT Mr. Brightside. They have like 14 singles but that’s the only one you ever hear..

  229. It’s hard to know sometimes when there is a bias issue going on. But I don’t think so in this case (me, expert, ha! :) )

    I think people should listen to Adam. He obviously appreciates his fans’ devotion and would not want to alienate them. But now he is asking fans to back off a bit.

  230. Most of the tweets I see are people apologizing to OHP, yeah they are still bombarding them with tweets but not nasty as some indicated. I don’t care to look further, but at a glance they seem pretty tame.

    Well that’s good news. I don’t think these fans (or even other fans) are cray cray crazy. Just enthusiastically misdirected. :) All fans want good things to happen to their faves.

  231. Adam’s probably embarrassed. I would be. His fans are stereotyped as lonley midde-aged crazy women. Not saying they are.. but that seems to be the idea.. and this doesn’t help. Adam probably wants to be seen as young and hip.. but that aint happenin..

  232. Fortunately, that seems to be the exception and not the rule but it was predictable that it would be thrown out there. Anything to avoid admitting maybe, just maybe, some of the obsessive tweeters went too far.

    I am an Adam fan who twitted Twice in 3 hours last night. I was informed that I could tweet my request. (From OHP) But I hear from other Adam fans that some tweeters were tweeting in bulk 100 tweets. No maybe’s about it That is Obsessive and did go too far.

  233. Why would I call a radio station and request a song I own?

    Heh, I own two copies of “Light On” but I still did a few requests for it locally in a most rational way, I might add (hee!). It’s cool to hear your Idol on the radio… there’s no other reason to request it than you want to hear them on the radio.

    Exactly!! I own two copies of FYE, but I want the whole world to hear it, besides just me. ;)

  234. I remembered rmged, which made the googling easier.

    Stations and shows often don’t like spamming and such because such campaigns make it hard to figure out if there is genuinely widespread interest in a song. Sure, some stations permit and even encourage spamming and such, but stations don’t want to reward the practice.

  235. His fans are stereotyped as lonley midde-aged crazy women. Not saying they are.. but that seems to be the idea.. and this doesn’t help.

    Well the operative word is Stereotyped. I am not Middle aged a woman or Crazy…..Ok I am not middle aged or a woman. :mrgreen:

  236. Well the operative word is Stereotyped. I am not Middle aged a woman or Crazy…..Ok I am not middle aged or a woman. :mrgreen:

    Well there’s an exception to every rule isn’t there :P

  237. tiger92- I can explain what happened with David A and OHP, since I was one of the first to “hear it from the horse’s mouth”. It’s different than this situation, because we never used Twitter to make requests.

    ALTNOY (his 2nd single) wasn’t being added to many stations or to VH1, despite the fact that fans were being very careful not to over-request or request out of their listening area. Some fans had been requesting it from OHP for a month with no luck. So we added a few requests, since their playlist is based on # of requests and you can request nationwide if your station plays OHP. The problem was, “a few requests” grew to 500 in one night — 500 more than any night previous, and the song was never played again. As soon as I said David’s name, the operator hung up on me. The next night I was told “We don’t play that song”. A week later, John the PD answered. He didn’t ask if I was a fan or a listener; he simply lit into me: “Why would a fan club blast a station with requests for one song? I don’t understand that; it makes absolutely no sense to me. *click*”

    Looking back, it was a bad move, but an honest mistake. It’s hard knowing how to deal with OHP. You’d think that since they are request-based, they’d expect fans to be calling. Some songs start the show with over 1000 requests before the phone lines even open (Jonas Brothers, anyone?), and it’s hard to believe that those 1000 requests are not from JB fans…I mean, who else besides JB fans are going to request their songs, right? And if a song is new, who else besides the fans would even know it exists to be requested??…IDK. Thinking about OHP gives me a headache.

  238. Well the operative word is Stereotyped. I am not Middle aged a woman or Crazy…..Ok I am not middle aged or a woman.

    But you are honest! LOL :)

  239. Adam’s probably embarrassed.

    We are tallking about Adam Lambert here aren’t we?? I don’t think Adam (AMA’s, CD Cover, etc) gets embarrassed. He is OTT. That is why he attracts OTT fans. I really do think he thought it was funny. RCA maybe did not, but Adam, yeah! He does what he wants. Can u expect differently from his fans. That is part of his attraction.

  240. We are tallking about Adam Lambert here aren’t we?? I don’t think Adam (AMA’s, CD Cover, etc) gets embarrassed. He is OTT. That is why he attracts OTT fans. I really do think he thought it was funny. RCA maybe did not, but Adam, yeah! He does what he wants. Can u expect differently from his fans. That is part of his attraction.

    Crazy fans =/= OTT CD cover.

  241. @archie17 I agree – they are confusing. I didn’t request, but I did tweet thank yous once and awhile after they played the song and they seemed receptive of them so this about face is weird. Hopefully it’s another gate that shall pass.

  242. It seems really unfair to any artist being punished for fans being out of control. The artist has no control over these crazies……how the hell are they going to stop this? And then if the *competing artist’s fans* see this….won’t they take advantage of the situation?

    I have a hard time believing that this radio station cannot have some control over spams. Seems like there may be another motive here….after all, look at all the publicity they are getting. Oh wait, Adam is in the news again……would this brouhaha hurt or help him???? I happen to love this song and just want to hear it on the radio!!!!

  243. Adam is in such a bind. Sometimes I think he needs to get rid of the crazies and be a little more blunt.

    Yes, but look at the backlash poor David Cook got when he posted on his blog about fans giving him space. I do think some folks get caught up in the wave of excitment and lose touch with reality. I don’t know what the answer is. I think if Adam publically says too much, it just draws more attention to the actions of his over zealous fans. He’s walking a tight rope right now. I think he’s trying to soothe them. Gah, and he said he didn’t want to be a babysitter. He isn’t but he sure is a fansitter…..that doesn’t quite sound right does it.

  244. We are tallking about Adam Lambert here aren’t we?? I don’t think Adam (AMA’s, CD Cover, etc) gets embarrassed. He is OTT. That is why he attracts OTT fans. I really do think he thought it was funny. RCA maybe did not, but Adam, yeah! He does what he wants. Can u expect differently from his fans. That is part of his attraction.

    That doesnt mean he cant be embarrased about it.. i mean i dont know if he is or not but still. Im sure most people get embarrased at somethings.. its normal. There are somethings you just dont out and out say.

  245. dhunken
    01/04/2010 at 11:03 pm

    His fans are stereotyped as lonley midde-aged crazy women. Not saying they are.. but that seems to be the idea.. and this doesn’t help.

    Well the operative word is Stereotyped. I am not Middle aged a woman or Crazy…..Ok I am not middle aged or a woman. :mrgreen:

    Ahh, dhunken neither are you Crazy at least a Crazy Adam Fan, you are one of the best posters that Adam has, clear and concise and to the point.

  246. There are somethings you just dont out and out say.

    True but why add the last part of his tweet? He could have just left that off if he was embarrassed. Adam is not the typical idol. I don’t think people get that yet.

  247. I swear, RCA and Jive are going to have to figure out how to lay subliminal tracks on Idol debut albums….”don’t be a bsc fan, don’t be a bsc fan, don’t be a bsc fan..”

  248. have a hard time believing that this radio station cannot have some control over spams. Seems like there may be another motive here….after all, look at all the publicity they are getting

    Open House Party is not a radio station. It’s a syndicated show on many, many different radio stations – some Top 40, some HAC. The show has been on for a gazillion years and basically plays the kind of music that most folks over 25 despise. WWFM needs the spins and audience OHP provides to move up the charts. OHP gets its audience from hard core Top 40 listeners not publicity.

  249. True but why add the last part of his tweet? He could have just left that off if he was embarrassed. Adam is not the typical idol. I don’t think people get that yet.

    he’s a freak, and he thanks us for loving him even though we have not been doing it perfectly :)

  250. Crazy fans =/= OTT CD cover.

    Hey Alison. I don’t get it. What does this mean???

  251. he’s a freak, and he thanks us for loving him even though we have not been doing it perfectly

    :(

  252. Some songs start the show with over 1000 requests before the phone lines even open (Jonas Brothers, anyone?), and it’s hard to believe that those 1000 requests are not from JB fans…I mean, who else besides JB fans are going to request their songs, right?

    The difference between the Jonas Brothers or Bieber getting a lot of requests and Adam or David A getting a ton of requests is that the former would probably listen to OHP anyway because they are in that teenage demographic, while the David or Adam fan probably is not the target audience, and is only requesting on OHP because idol breeds meddling, over invested fans. Those Adam and Archie fans are not good barometers of what the average OHP listener wants to hear.

  253. tiger92- I can explain what happened with David A and OHP, since I was one of the first to “hear it from the horse’s mouth”. It’s different than this situation, because we never used Twitter to make requests.

    Twitter wasn’t widely used one year ago. Plus, OHP encouraged the use of twitter.

    Looking back, it was a bad move, but an honest mistake. It’s hard knowing how to deal with OHP. You’d think that since they are request-based, they’d expect fans to be calling. Some songs start the show with over 1000 requests before the phone lines even open (Jonas Brothers, anyone?), and it’s hard to believe that those 1000 requests are not from JB fans…I mean, who else besides JB fans are going to request their songs, right? And if a song is new, who else besides the fans would even know it exists to be requested??…IDK. Thinking about OHP gives me a headache.

    That’s true! What about JoBros, Miley, Taylor S., or the Bieber kid? It is confusing. That’s why I never bothered to request. I’m not into voting anyways.

    Thanks for the info, though. It’s always interesting to read about what happened in other seasons.

  254. I swear, RCA and Jive are going to have to figure out how to lay subliminal tracks on Idol debut albums….”don’t be a bsc fan, don’t be a bsc fan, don’t be a bsc fan..”

    Maybe if you play it backwards.. lol

  255. Hey Alison. I don’t get it. What does this mean???

    Hey iluvai.

    I’m assuming you mean the “=/=” symbol thing? It’s short hand for “Does Not Equal”… you have to visualize.

  256. Hmmm….I didn’t know Archuleta’s song suffered a similar fate, due to over-zealous fans.

    All fanboards need to really make solid efforts to instill self-control in their members. I mean, if the same effort put into requesting was put into teaching fans how not to be annoying, Idol alums wouldn’t have these types of problems. Furthermore, fans need to realize that they’re not voting for a song like they did on Idol and that this type of behavior is very harmful.

    Eight seasons and counting, and this still happens.

  257. Jpfan, okay they are not a radio station but they operate by taking requests….right? I just don’t understand why they don’t have some way of controlling spam….since it has been posted that this has happened before and they are a *huge* operation. Why punish the artist for this???? Anyway, I appreciate the correction……just think it is grossly unfair to the artist. It is just for one week……maybe it will be a no biggy…..;)

  258. The difference between the Jonas Brothers or Bieber getting a lot of requests and Adam or David A getting a ton of requests is that the former would probably listen to OHP anyway because they are in that teenage demographic, while the David or Adam fan probably is not the target audience, and is only requesting on OHP because idol breeds meddling, over invested fans. Those Adam and Archie fans are not good barometers of what the average OHP listener wants to hear.

    So i guess that means David A’s fans arent all tweenies and teens like everyone says they are? lol

  259. Hmmm….I didn’t know Archuleta’s song suffered a similar fate, due to over-zealous fans.

    I think it was more to do with the fact it didnt exactly get far on radio(2nd single) lol

    i mean yeah i think it may have played a small part with OHP but it wasnt even that far up the chart to begin with for when they normally start playing a song..

  260. Crazy fans =/= OTT CD cover.

    Yeah, I’m not seeing the correlation between the two, allison8701. Care to elaborate?

  261. Well Adam will be having fun tonight, he’s going to Ketchup’s record release party… I mean Kesha’s

  262. Yeah, I’m not seeing the correlation between the two, allison8701. Care to elaborate?

    I mean, I didn’t originally try to correlate the two. In fact, I said those two weren’t the same thing. Someone, I don’t know who, said that Adam wouldn’t be embarrassed by his crazy fans because look at his CD cover. And I’m saying there’s a difference between the two. are you asking me to elaborate on how they’re different?

  263. Alison–

    Thanks! It makes sense now. I’m used to seeing an equal with a slash through it. :)

  264. I have a hard time believing that this radio station cannot have some control over spams. Seems like there may be another motive here….after all, look at all the publicity they are getting.

    Why does there have to be another motive? Seems believable to me that people bombed them out via Twitter to the point that it pissed them off, so they are benching Adam for a day as a warning or in hopes of making people back off. Maybe I take things too literally, lol.

  265. I mean, I didn’t originally try to correlate the two. In fact, I said those two weren’t the same thing. Someone, I don’t know who, said that Adam wouldn’t be embarrassed by his crazy fans because look at his CD cover. And I’m saying there’s a difference between the two. are you asking me to elaborate on how they’re different?

    Sorry allison8701, it’s been a long night/day and I obviously jumped to the erronenous conclusion that you were trying to infer something about Adam’s fans based on his album cover, or perhaps the reverse. Never mind me, just a bit oversensitive tonight clearly. Move along. Nothing to see here.

    *Part of my confusion stemmed from never before seeing the equal signs with a slash between them before, so I had no clue what it meant. Sorry again. BTW, didn’t you used to/still post on the IMDB American Idol boards? Haven’t seen you there in awhile. :-)

  266. Sorry allison8701, it’s been a long night/day and I obviously jumped to the erroenous conclusion that you were trying to infer something about Adam’s fans based on his album cover, or perhaps the reverse. Never mind me, just a bit oversensitive tonight clearly. Move along. Nothing to see here.

    *Part of my confusion stemmed from never before seeing the equal signs with a slash between them before, so I had no clue what it meant. Sorry again. BTW, didn’t you used to/still post on the IMDB American Idol boards? Haven’t seen you there in awhile. :-)

    That’s fine. I started to get kind of confused myself.

    I thought the “=/=” sign was all the rage these days… my bad y’all.

    and yes, I did :) but since the season ended.. eh.. I’ll probably be back when it starts up.

  267. The difference between the Jonas Brothers or Bieber getting a lot of requests and Adam or David A getting a ton of requests is that the former would probably listen to OHP anyway because they are in that teenage demographic, while the David or Adam fan probably is not the target audience, and is only requesting on OHP because idol breeds meddling, over invested fans. Those Adam and Archie fans are not good barometers of what the average OHP listener wants to hear.

    Actually, most of the OHP callers that I hear are adults. And most of the songs fit the dance club scene, so I’d be surprised if that many teens listen to OHP. Or maybe that’s what they’re into these days. IDK, I haven’t been a teen for quite awhile, lol.

    Thanks for the info, though. It’s always interesting to read about what happened in other seasons.

    You’re welcome. And I don’t request much anymore, either, unless it’s from my local station. Too much walking on eggshells.

  268. Even tho I said that in my post, I don’t really think there is another motive here. I just hate that Adam or any other artist is punished for something they cannot control. If an artist had some hand in the infraction then ban him (ie AMA) but why hurt the innocent party…..that is so wrong.

  269. Actually, most of the OHP callers that I hear are adults. And most of the songs fit the dance club scene, so I’d be surprised if that many teens listen to OHP

    That’s my impression too. OHP is aired on weekend nights between 7 pm to midnight which is a typical time period for dance songs. Many other stations I listen to play the same kind of music at at that time. After 11 pm they usually play more remix too.

  270. That’s fine. I started to get kind of confused myself.

    I thought the “=/=” sign was all the rage these days… my bad y’all.

    and yes, I did but since the season ended.. eh.. I’ll probably be back when it starts up.

    :-) As much time as I spend on various message boards, blogs, twitter and what-not you’d think I know what stuff like this “=/=” meant, but sadly it appears I am still out of the loop. :-)

    I don’t go to the IMDB boards much myself anymore. Just check in every once in awhile. It’s pretty dead there most of the time anyways, so you’re not missing much. :-)

  271. As much time as I spend on various message boards, blogs, twitter and what-not you’d think I know what stuff like this “=/=” meant, but sadly it appears I am still out of the loop. :-)

    I don’t go to the IMDB boards much myself anymore. Just check in every once in awhile. It’s pretty dead there most of the time anyways, so you’re not missing much. :-)

    Well I promise I didn’t make it up! I don’t think…

  272. I just hate that Adam or any other artist is punished for something they cannot control.

    I don’t think OHP’s intention is to punish Adam. They play songs per requests. If they are spammed by requests and don’t know how (or don’t bother) to distinguish spams from normal requests, the easiest way is to take the song from request list, otherwise it would be unfair to other songs and artists.

  273. It seems really unfair to any artist being punished for fans being out of control. The artist has no control over these crazies……how the hell are they going to stop this? And then if the *competing artist’s fans* see this….won’t they take advantage of the situation?

    First of all, it doesn’t have to be fair. Second, it’s not about punishing Adam. It’s about them deciding that they weren’t getting a representative sample of what their listeners really wanted to hear, so they just weren’t going to consider any requests for his song.

    And, finally, it doesn’t matter what their reasoning is. They can do what they want. And if his fans don’t get that, and do what they say, then it will do nothing but screw Adam.

  274. I haven’t read this entire thread due to mouse problems but it seems people are missing the point from what I’ve seen so far. And although people think it’s fun to go with the BSC Glambert narrative there are NO facts in evidence to support this being what occurred here.

    This OHP is a show where YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO CALL IN OR TWEET for your favorite to be played.

    Therefore it has nothing to do with RCA’s guidance to not overdo calling radio shows.

    There are NO guidelines at all on OPH site. NOTHING about any restrictions whatsoever.

    What happened was:

    1 RCA said it was “voting” from out of area fans first.
    2 they apparently had Adam twat that it was phone calls
    3 they then changed the post to disqual due to twitter requests.

    If you read the AO thread it was proven that OHP TWEETED that Tweets WERE FINE and COUNTED, an Adam fan specifically asked if it was ok.

    They also retweeted TONS of adam fan’s twats and encouraged them to keep listening and participating and said how much they loved them

    They also WORST OF ALL, tweeted that ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS GO ON THE INTERNET, GOOGLE A STATION AND LISTEN.

    THEREFORE THERE IS NO VALIDITY TO ANY OF THE ABOVE THREE ACCUSATIONS.

    IT WAS NATIONAL NOT RESTRICTED TO YOUR “NEIGHBORHOOD” STATION.

    TWITTER WAS ALLOWABLE.

    AND BSC FANS WERE ENCOURAGED. How do you have a “call in contest” then complain that there are too many calls? ah hello?

    This may be a fun narrative but doesn’t anyone think it’s strange that Larry Flick twattted how great Adam fans are and NOT crazy and NOT annoying and he’s the ONLY GAY SHOW ON THE RADIO that is supporting Adam

    I’m not a bit surprised at all this melodrama with no foundation in reality. Radio has an Adam problem not an Adam fan problem. We know this already from the FYE boycott.

  275. I thought the “=/=” sign was all the rage these days… my bad y’all.

    I prefer “” to “=/=”…

    hah, I see the problem. I can’t have the sign of greater than and less than appear in this blog.

  276. Sorry for the caps I am using one of those built in mouse devices on my laptop and it’s horrible functionally.

  277. Second, it’s not about punishing Adam. It’s about them deciding that they weren’t getting a representative sample of what their listeners really wanted to hear, so they just weren’t going to consider any requests for his song.

    I would think that ^^^^ makes a WHOLE lot more sense than OHP is out to get Adam. I really doubt that there’s any ulterior motive there. I mean, I could be wrong, but…

  278. washpd if OHP felt they weren’t getting a representative sample size of listeners I can totally buy that. What I dont buy is the characterization that all these “rules” were broken and all these BSC Glamberts did something “wrong” by participating. They should have stated the above just like YOU did if that was the case.

    And RCA is no better by failing to get the story straight even NOW. It’s ridiculous actually. You can see their at replies and they’re not all that dramatic esp when you consider that OPH was actually encouraging some of the people that we frequently see as “spammers” or “overposters”.

  279. Wow, I find this rather odd….pick off negative threads from AO, but forgot to mention Adam won the Z100 award…is this always a negative Adam site?

    I thought all his tweets were great. his motto – It ain’t that deep.
    The twitter stuff is all new to everyone, he knows his fans meant well.

    His fans play an innocent roll in this also, The radio station is on the internet, I live in Florida and listen to that station because I am originally from Michigan and I like the DJ’s, so they are saying I can listen from a distance but I can not request.>$#@%^&4

  280. AND BSC FANS WERE ENCOURAGED. How do you have a “call in contest” then complain that there are too many calls? ah hello?

    Houston, we have a problem.

  281. Radio has an Adam problem not an Adam fan problem. We know this already from the FYE boycott.

    IT’S A CONSPHIRACY1!1!!!

  282. IT’S A CONSPHIRACY1!1!!!

    People love it, don’t they?

    Joking aside, I think twitter is a new tool that both the station and the fans are learning how to use it more wisely.

  283. but forgot to mention Adam won the Z100 award

    Yeah! I almost forgot he won that award! That is a big radio station too! We were so proud of him. He even twittered about it too. I don’t think I saw his twitter on here. But, here it is….

    Adam Lambert:
    Woohoo!! Thanks to all who voted for the Z100 best new artist!! I’m honored :)

  284. Aren’t you prouder of the fans who probably knocked themselves out voting on this poll. ;)

  285. jpfan no I’m not saying conspiracy. I’m saying the good old boy network of traditonal dj’s and pd have issues with adam lambert imo. that doesnt mean they wont acquiece.(sp cant spellcheck ha ha)….Tampa never picked up Adam till he was promised to jingle balls. Media base shows Tik Tok having a HUGE BOATLOAD of spins right out of the gate and Adam’s are pathetic by comparison. I’m talking hundreds of spins more not ten or twenty. So they didn’t like FYE, what’s the problem with WWFM? It’s all inside baseball perhaps. But I heard enough dj’s bashing the guy to know they do have a problem with him.

    I find it odd that’s all you took from my post. What’s your opinion of the facts about OHP allegedly changing their story from “out of town” to “too many phone calls” to “tweets not permitted” when in reality none of those three issues were issues at all.

  286. As far as a FYE “boycott” goes, isn’t there just the *teensiest* chance that it just did not take off with radio, for no reason other than… it didn’t? Even my sister’s DJ boyfriend who loves Adam thought that was all wrong as the lead single. So maybe other radio peeps felt the same way. What puzzles me about the whole radio anti-Adam conspiracy is… isn’t WWFM doing fine?! It’s not like it is getting *no* spins and has dropped off the face of the earth…

  287. Yep, it’s all a big conspiracy against Adam. As long as his fans continue to view it this way, they’ll never get the point, and things will never get better for Adam with radio people. So, yeah.

  288. It’s different than this situation, because we never used Twitter to make requests.

    Thanks for responding, Archie17, I appreciate the information. But I have to disagree with you. I think Archie’s situation is almost identical to the one here. The only difference is the method in which the requests were made (telephone call vs. twitter) but otherwise the facts are strikingly similar. It also confirms what I had heard from another source, i.e. that unlike Adam’s one week suspension, Archie’s second single was permamently disqualified from the show (sort of blacklisted, if you will).

    I have no reason to doubt your characterization of how upping the requests to OHP was an “honest mistake” and one born out of not knowing how to deal with OHP and frustration over the new single not getting any airplay. (Considering the smashing success of Crush, I imagine the fans were anxious.) Like you said, you’d think since the show is request-based, they would expect fans to be calling. What I find so interesting is that while, at worst, Archie’s fans are called “over zealous” and people seem accepting of the fact that the mistake was an honest one (to me, it certainly sounds that way), when Adam and his fans are involved, it’s suddenly a different story. With Adam fans, there doesn’t seem to be any room for “honest mistakes” or not knowing how to deal with OHP. Nope, they are simply cray cray, batshit loony OTT fans who are blindly, stupidly and in a reckless and self-indulgent way sabotaging his career. Well, I guess everyone has their own personal read on things and is entitled to their own opinion. It’s what makes the world interesting. I just find it curious that people can look at two very similar situations and color them two very different ways.

  289. But I heard enough dj’s bashing the guy to know they do have a problem with him.

    They have problems with EVERY Idol. It isn’t just Adam. It’s a particularly male Idol issue, too, it seems to me.

    I mentioned once before long ago, though, that the DJ on 99.5 was all pissed off because… gah, who was it?… the fans of an artist (want to say Donnie Wahlberg but could be wrong) were bombing the crap out of his twitter trying to get him to play the song. So he played it once, had people call in, most said it sucked, and he pretty such said, “See? Now I’m never playing it again because you’re so annoying.” (That is *entirely* paraphrased). So it is NOT just for the Idols, but the Idols already have that Idol crazy fan stigma, and when that gets reinforced it just makes it worse. So yeah, bombing out DJs and PDs can *certainly* irritate them enough to not spin a song.

  290. Welll Tic Toc has been out for months. I remember when it first came out, Adam tweeted about it so his followers would check it out cause he liked the song. I believe that was before his own CD came out. It slowly climbed the charts.

  291. Tampa never picked up Adam till he was promised to jingle balls. Media base shows Tik Tok having a HUGE BOATLOAD of spins right out of the gate and Adam’s are pathetic by comparison. I’m talking hundreds of spins more not ten or twenty.

    I don’t have access to Mediabase, but Tik Tok was released digitally in the beginning of August and sent to radio at the start of October, and it’s only blown up on radio relatively recently. So it wasn’t really an instant smash hit.

    Radio promo is part of the game. Even Kesha performed at the Z100 Jingle Ball. Unfortunately Adam didn’t jump on that until FYE went nowhere. But WWFM is still in the early stages and will go up the charts as time goes on. It’s far from peaking. Adam is not an established artist, he’ll have to earn his airplay like any other new musical act– doing promo and getting good listener response and having people request the song (people who are not an overzealous fan group).

  292. I just heard WWFM on my radio this weekend for the first time, so really, this is a shame.

    I think the song will gain traction on its own, if people don’t screw it up for Adam.

    BTW, hasn’t Tik Tok been out since the summer?I don’t think you can compare it to FYE, (and she’s not an idol, and has the p diddy stamp of approval).

  293. I just find it curious that people can look at two very similar situations and color them two very different ways.

    EVERY Idol has crazy fans. And I’m betting that some of the folks bombarding OHP are, indeed, crazy fans. Sure, some might just be misguided – but those are the ones who will STOP because Adam and RCA said so and they are rational enough to figure it out. The ones that start emailing and telling OHP that they suck, that they won’t listen anymore… that’s not quite rational.

    The other side to the Archie equation is that the 2nd single seemed to fizzle pretty quietly… I don’t really remember much about it, though admittedly I was Cook-centrically focused and hadn’t quite developed the fondness for Archie that I have now. So maybe I’m just forgetting, heh. Actually I am pretty puzzled, looking back, that Archie didn’t get a 2nd shot with the MASSIVE success of Crush, but that’s another story entirely, lol.

  294. I hesitate to use the “homophobia card” but I believe that’s what sleepinggiant is saying without saying. That the radio djs have a problem with Adam not only because he is an out and proud gay male, but because he is so *openly* sexual. He is not a “safe” gay (and I think most of you know what I mean by that) and that scares the vast majority of the straight, male-dominated radio business. Add to the equation the AMA “debacle” and Adam’s unapologetic response to the nay-sayers and it’s no wonder that some (read: most) radio stations stayed away from FYE (not to mention all of the none-too subtle sexual allusions in the song). As far as WWFM goes? Yes, it’s too fairly well considering it hasn’t been really been out/pushed that long as comparison to LLWD (only reason I bring Kris’ song up is as a direct comparison in airplay singles). Get back to me in a couple of weeks and we’ll see if WWFM is still climbing the charts or not.

  295. you should be cograting the fans for the Z100 poll

    or blame them/us for being BSC overzealous voters. That Beiber kid was tough to beat! lol

  296. I think the song will gain traction on its own, if people don’t screw it up for Adam.

    I think so, too. It’s a good song, very radio friendly. Hell, it’s a complete earworm – I find myself singing it randomly, then my 4 year old starts singing too. Ha!

  297. you can’t compare WWFM to LLWD. This is Adam’s “2nd”(or3rd) single. Kris is still on number 1. Fye and LLWD yes you can compare.

    Just the facts folks

  298. Adam Lambert:
    Woohoo!! Thanks to all who voted for the Z100 best new artist!! I’m honored

    That’s great news. I didn’t know there was a contest.

    I agree with the posters who say that twitter is a new tool that everyone is getting use to. I don’t think there is a consipracy with OHP as haven’t they been playing WWFM every weekend? I do find it odd that there were more tweets this weekend than previous weekends. I mean why is it an issue now. Perhaps something else happened with some over eager fans that we are not aware of and and we don’t have the full story?

  299. I don’t think there is a consipracy with OHP as haven’t they been playing WWFM every weekend?

    That was sorta my thought – if they really wanted to boycott him, I would think they wouldn’t be playing WWFM, at all. But they have been…

  300. EVERY Idol has crazy fans. And I’m betting that some of the folks bombarding OHP are, indeed, crazy fans. Sure, some might just be misguided – but those are the ones who will STOP because Adam and RCA said so and they are rational enough to figure it out. The ones that start emailing and telling OHP that they suck, that they won’t listen anymore… that’s not quite rational.

    Oh, I completely agree, tierbee. And, you’re right. The ones who mistakenly over-requested the song are probably horrified right now and will indeed listen to Adam and stop.

    I just wish someone would put a number to these allegedly batshit crazy, cray cray fans who are tweeting OHP and saying “you suck.” I’ve seen a handful of quoted tweets here and there. Are we talking 100 people? Less than 50? Less than 25, 10, 5? Consider this, over 400,000 people (fans) bought/own Adam’s cd. Maybe we should weigh those 400,000 fans against the handful of nonfans (because to me, that’s what they are since they certainly don’t have Adam’s best interests at heart) who are supposedly sending out these tweets.

    Just an attempt to put things in perspective …

  301. Tik Tok had spins in the hundreds immediately in August. I forget the number and it’s too labor intensive for me with this stupid mouse to go look. On the second week it was out, Media Base shows one station in Indianpls. giving it something like 164 spins. That same station hasn’t even picked up Adam. And yes, it took ofF quickly. Claude even tweeted how shocked he was about that.

    Yes it’s their prerogative to not like him. You guys can ignore my post and keep accusing me of saying conspiracy which I never said.

    But if you think it’s perfectly logical for Tik Tok about drinking and guys grabbing her junk etc to be so LOVED immediately and the gay AI contestant’s song to be so hated (both of them actually) then we have different views of the world. My view is the gay one. The men wanna picture Kesha gettin drunk and havin her junk grabbed lol. Yes it’s catchier than Adam’s song but so what? Nobody is demanding they be equal. But it’s too wierd IMO.

    Back to the point, this is NOT about spins or spamming radio stations. I used the spins as an example. This is about a call in CONTEST where for some reason, they got “too many ” calls or tweets or whatever then laid it out after the fact, after encouraging the actions of the fans. imo.

  302. This is Adam’s second single (Time For Miracles was never released as a single, was never intended to be a single. It was merely a song that he was chosen to sing for the 2012 soundtrack. Perhaps it shouldn’t have been leaked/placed on his album since that seems to be where some of the confusion is stemming from). His first single was released and promptly dismissed after only like what, a week? Two? So yes, this is his second single but it is his first one to get any real spins, so it only seems fair to compare it to LLWD. I am not trying to put Kris and/or LLWD at all when I compare WWFM to it, I am only attempting to compare two singles. Nothing more, nothing less. Those are the facts as I see them.

  303. Add to the equation the AMA “debacle” and Adam’s unapologetic response to the nay-sayers and it’s no wonder that some (read: most) radio stations stayed away from FYE (not to mention all of the none-too subtle sexual allusions in the song).

    FYE was already being abandoned by RCA before the AMAs. The AMAs were on November 22nd; OHP debuted WWFM on the 14th. And as soon as two songs by an artist (especially a new one) are both released to radio, the older one will decline while the new song goes up. Now, why RCA abandoned it so early is unclear– maybe PD response wasn’t good, maybe they wanted a different direction… I don’t know. But lack of spins was not directly related to the AMAs. Radio stations aren’t going to play the old single when they can play the new one.

  304. BTW the other funny thing is OHP has a total of like, 1900 followers on Twitter. They should be thrilled they’re getting the attention imo. How hard is it to ignore twats, it’s nothing you just scroll down OR BLOCK even.

  305. How is that fair. It’s still his 2nd single. The first one didn’t work out. You can’t make it like disappear.

    FYE is the FIRST….LLWD is the FIRST.

  306. FYE was already being abandoned by RCA before the AMAs. The AMAs were on November 22nd; OHP debuted WWFM on the 14th. And as soon as two songs by an artist (especially a new one) are both released to radio, the older one will decline while the new song goes up. Now, why RCA abandoned it so early is unclear– maybe PD response wasn’t good, maybe they wanted a different direction… I don’t know. But lack of spins was not directly related to the AMAs. Radio stations aren’t going to play the old single when they can play the new one.

    My point was that the AMAs did not help FYE on the radio. Radio easily could have stuck with the single, but for a multitude of reasons, one of which I believe having to do with the fall-out of the AMAs, they did not. When I used to listen to the radio, there were times when a station would play two songs by the same artists. So I don’t get the belief that radio isn’t going to play an old single, when they used to do it plenty from what I could tell. As long as a song is popular enough, it doesn’t matter how old it is, or if there is a new single from the same artist out, they will play both if they have/want/need to.

    BTW, I wasn’t talking about RCA abandoning FYE and pushing WWFM. I was talking about RADIO doing it. I couldn’t care less what RCA was doing with Adam’s singles as that was not the topic of discussion. Radio’s influences, and spins or lack thereof of Adam’s singles was the point.

  307. “I don’t think there is a consipracy with OHP as haven’t they been playing WWFM every weekend?

    That was sorta my thought – if they really wanted to boycott him, I would think they wouldn’t be playing WWFM, at all. But they have been…”

    Exactly. No conspiracy whatsoever- happens with any artist who’s fans are overzealous!! Ive read several DJ’s comments where they get really sick of fans over voting for their artist !!

    Radio has very different criteria to television & the print media when promoting an artist. Does make it confusing for fans sometimes but usually less is more!!

  308. I thought NB was Kris’s first single. I must have missed the memo. It was played on radio, etc. wasn’t it.

  309. you can’t compare WWFM to LLWD. This is Adam’s “2nd”(or3rd) single. Kris is still on number 1. Fye and LLWD yes you can compare.

    Just the facts folks

    However you want to look at it is fine. The fact is they are the two singles that are on the charts now. LLWD and WWFM are both in the top 40. They were released 8 weeks apart. It will take time for WWFM to climb higher, just like it took time for LLWD to climb up the charts.

    Those are some facts, also.

    FYE is the FIRST….LLWD is the FIRST.

    Who cares? What’s the point?

  310. I thought NB was Kris’s first single. I must have missed the memo. It was played on radio, etc. wasn’t it.

    By that logic, “Time for Miracles” WAS Adam’s first single, therefore Adam’s second was FYE and it can be compared to Kris’ second which is… LLWD.

  311. BTW, I wasn’t talking about RCA abandoning FYE and pushing WWFM. I was talking about RADIO doing it.

    But the two are directly related. OHP didn’t randomly debut WWFM– RCA set that up. If RCA isn’t pushing FYE onto radio stations, radio stations won’t have incentive to play it unless it’s already doing well. RCA, on the other hand, *did* push WWFM, more than they ever pushed FYE, and between a song that didn’t have a lot of promo and wasn’t doing exceptionally well on the charts (which was due really to it being so new) and a song that is newer and getting more push, radio stations will choose the latter.

    Some artists can get away with having two songs on the charts simultaneously, but the vast majority of the time, labels wait to release a second single until the first has peaked. Because as soon as you release the second, it’s only natural that the first will begin to fall as stations turn to play the new song.

  312. Cynthia101 yes that’s what I’m saying. Adam is not a safe gay. He’s particularly unsafe because of the huge amount of women, lesbians included who love him and talk about him in sexual terms. Then there’s the ick factor, since radio is men. That’s an issue in general, but specifically on THIS topic its about some random thing I fail to understand about how you can have a call in contest then complain about too many calls lol. Perhaps they are getting complaints about “too much Adam” from anti Adam listeners. Aimee Mayo had a follower complaining about that. She said that Adam was essentially a bad person and Aimee needed to stop talking about him. So maybe the radio stations have homophobic listeners putting pressure on. IDEK at all.

  313. How is that fair. It’s still his 2nd single. The first one didn’t work out. You can’t make it like disappear.

    FYE is the FIRST….LLWD is the FIRST.

    How is it unfair? Not trying to be a smart-ass, I honestly don’t get the argument that comparing LLWD and WWFM isn’t valid because WWFM isn’t Adam’s first single. They are both on the charts at the same time (it doesn’t matter to me that one was released earlier than the other except when it comes to comparing longevity and success), so they should be able to be compared. I don’t see what is so unfair about comparing two singles that are on the charts at the same time, and are currently charting at the same time. If I say that get back to me in a couple of weeks and we can compare Adam’s single position from where Kris’ single was at the same time, that seems pretty fair to me. LLWD has been on the charts longer and has had more time to move up, while WWFM hasn’t. If in four weeks, WWFM has or hasn’t moved up in comparison to where LLWD was at the same point in time, well, then that’s another discussion.

    But there is nothing unfair or wrong IMO in comparing LLWD and WWFM as they are both charting now. In fact, I would say that LLWD has the advantage since it HAS been out longer, but my point wasn’t to get into a “so-and-so’s single is better/worse because it has been out longer/shorter”. It was simply to compare two singles that are currently riding the charts.

  314. not even on his album…you guys don’t “claim” time for miracles so why would Kris claim nobo….and yes Adam had a released version of the same song!!

  315. I fail to understand about how you can have a call in contest then complain about too many calls lol.

    If the calls are so high in number from the same people over and over, and it skews the vote, then I can see why it would be too many. That’s my take on it, anyway. Not that too many individual people called, but that some individuals called/tweeted over and over again and “spammed” the poll or whatever it was. Could be wrong, but that’s how this “outside” viewer read all of that.

  316. But there is nothing unfair or wrong IMO in comparing LLWD and WWFM as they are both charting now. In fact, I would say that LLWD has the advantage since it HAS been out longer, but my point wasn’t to get into a “so-and-so’s single is better/worse because it has been out longer/shorter”. It was simply to compare two singles that are currently riding the charts.

    ITA-And when Kris releases his second single, perhaps in a few months, it will also be compared to FYE, WWFM and LLWD in regards to how it is doing on the charts, etc. I don’ think anyone is saying one single is better than the other, but rather people seem to be comparing the growth of two singles which seem to be “hits.”

  317. But the two are directly related. OHP didn’t randomly debut WWFM– RCA set that up. If RCA isn’t pushing FYE onto radio stations, radio stations won’t have incentive to play it unless it’s already doing well. RCA, on the other hand, *did* push WWFM, more than they ever pushed FYE, and between a song that didn’t have a lot of promo and wasn’t doing exceptionally well on the charts (which was due really to it being so new) and a song that is newer and getting more push, radio stations will choose the latter.

    Some artists can get away with having two songs on the charts simultaneously, but the vast majority of the time, labels wait to release a second single until the first has peaked. Because as soon as you release the second, it’s only natural that the first will begin to fall as stations turn to play the new song.

    But my point was about radio playing/not playing him. I agree that RCA has to set up singles and push them, but radio has the option of playing them or not playing them. My post was about radio not playing him, not about what RCA may or may not be doing behind the scenes.

    I do agree that radio stations tend to play one single at a time by artists but that is not a hard and fast rule as they have been known to deviate from it and play two singles by the same artist at the same time. Only a few weeks ago (maybe closer to a month or two) BEP had two singles on hot 99.5 at the same time. Drove me crazy as I couldn’t get away from them. LOL. But my point was that, there was nothing to stop radio stations from continuing to play FYE as well as WWFM.

  318. As long as this segment of Adam’s fans continue to delude themselves that this is about homophobia and Adam not being a “safe gay” and not about their own actions, they will continue to do nothing but harm him with radio. If Adam and his label are telling them to quit, then they should. Clearly, the label thinks it is a problem or they wouldn’t have posted it on AO and had Adam tweet what he did.

    At this point, radio seems to like WWFM. It is moving up the charts nicely. Let it have its natural progression. BSC fans need to cut out the spammng and whining and conspiracy-theorizing. It doesn’t help Adam one bit.

  319. Yeah, Adam’s in a pretty unique situation. I think in many ways WWFM’s being ~treated~ as a first single, just like how Christina’s Beautiful was treated as a first single in America after Dirrty flopped (although it went #1 everywhere else, ha!) and they had to hurriedly rush out another song. And WWFM has a pretty similar track record to far to LLWD– slow and steady rise– so it’s comparable in that way too.

    BTW, hasn’t Tik Tok been out since the summer?I don’t think you can compare it to FYE, (and she’s not an idol, and has the p diddy stamp of approval).

    I’m not sure how Kesha has the P Diddy stamp of approval. Are you referring to the rumor that she is signed to Bad Boy? I’ve heard that bandied around but it’s not true. Or is it just that he approves of her opening one liner in Tik Tok, lol. Anyway, the P Diddy stamp of approval is not necessarily a good thing. Case in point: there’s no successful artist on Bad Boy besides Diddy himself… I’m grateful that Kesha’s on RCA myself :)

  320. Only a few weeks ago (maybe closer to a month or two) BEP had two singles on hot 99.5 at the same time. Drove me crazy as I couldn’t get away from them. LOL. But my point was that, there was nothing to stop radio stations from continuing to play FYE as well as WWFM.

    Yes, but that is far from the norm. The BEP have had a ton of hits, and anything they release is put into pretty high rotation pretty quickly– same with Nickelback, Taylor Swift, et all. They have a track record. But it’s not advantageous for an artist to have two singles out at the same time, because they’ll inevitably be split in amount of spins.

    My point is that radio stations work to an extent in conjunction with the labels. As soon as WWFM was released as a second single, FYE was only going to go down from there. Radio stations COULD play it, but why would they? Top 40 stations, Adam’s demo, want to play hits and up-and-coming hits– FYE wasn’t charting and the new song was getting a push from the label FYE didn’t.

    Did the AMAs make radio stations less likely to touch it than they normally would have been? Quite possibly. But I’m just saying that FYE was already started on a downward trajectory before the AMAs even happened.

  321. As long as this segment of Adam’s fans continue to delude themselves that this is about homophobia and Adam not being a “safe gay” and not about their own actions, they will continue to do nothing but harm him with radio.

    What segment? You mean the BSC fans who are now twittering (lol) away?
    I don’t think it has anything to do with any type of conspiracy, especially since the same basic thing happened to Archie last year. It’s unfortunate, but not tragic.

    Is LLWD getting played on OHP at all?

  322. Consider this, over 400,000 people (fans) bought/own Adam’s cd.

    Probably stating the obvious, but there’s no way of knowing how many people/fans bought the CD. A good number of those CDs could have been bought as part of a multiple-CD sale (in other words, someone buying one for themselves and 1, 2, or more to give as gifts). I don’t think you can judge the number of Adam’s CD-buying fans from the CD sales numbers at all. (Nor can you judge anyone else from AI that way, as every year, some AI fans seem prepared to buy multiple copies of their favorite’s CD.)

  323. As long as this segment of Adam’s fans continue to delude themselves that this is about homophobia and Adam not being a “safe gay” and not about their own actions, they will continue to do nothing but harm him with radio. If Adam and his label are telling them to quit, then they should. Clearly, the label thinks it is a problem or they wouldn’t have posted it on AO and had Adam tweet what he did.

    At this point, radio seems to like WWFM. It is moving up the charts nicely. Let it have its natural progression. BSC fans need to cut out the spammng and whining and conspiracy-theorizing. It doesn’t help Adam one bit.

    Considering I used the phrase “safe gay” let me weigh in here: in no way, shape or form do I think the BSC fans were for lack of a better word “justified” in spamming OHP. And I do hope that they cut that shit out per Adam’s request, but to ignore the fact that homophobia exists in the male-dominated entertainment industry is to bury your head in the sand IMO. I don’t think it’s conspiracy-theorizing to validly suggest that some radio stations may have an agenda in not playing Adam’s (or any other’s artists) singles. I don’t think it makes me a conspiracy nut to bring up the very fact that radio CHOSE not to play a sexually suggestive song by an out-and-proud gay man, but seems to have no problem playing a more “benign” song as an example of said homophobia.

    I am not saying that the BSC fans didn’t cross a line (whether that line was clearly visible and marked is debatable) and need to chill, because they certainly do. I am saying that as brought up by sleepinggiant there is an undercurrent of homophobia in radio’s dealings with Adam. It is easy to dismiss it as fans being hyper-sensitive, but then no one talks about it and it still exists! It is not right to brush it under the rug and make people feel as if they are using the “homophobia card” by bringing up, when it is a very real problem that should be confronted head on.

  324. Jumping in here after skimming several posts. I have no idea how many tweets OHP received, however, if 5 people sent 100 tweets each that’s a different representation than 500 people sending 1 tweet each.

    Just something to take into consideration.

    Again, I have no idea about the tweet numbers, anyone? But, I do know I have seen several people on here say I didn’t send any, I sent three, and perhaps some sent 100?

    Again if even 5-20 sent 100 tweets each, I don’t think that would get a lot of attention for spins. It may even be frustrating to those responsible for deciding who/what to spin. IDK.

  325. but they dropped FYE so fast– probably for reasons related to the AMA drama– and they were originally going to release WWFM, it was Adam that pushed for FYE. So WWFM is Adam’s label’s choice

    It doesn’t really matter, but WWFM was already being introduced to radio before the AMAs.
    How do you know Adam pushed for FYE, but his label wanted WWFM? Is there a link to this info somewhere?

  326. Don’t know if I’m allowed to post so I’ll try to make this quick.
    Sleepinggiant, I have to say that I believe the same way about the “safe gay” issue. I’ve seen firsthand in my own family just how much prejudice there is where Adam is concerned. My husband thinks all gays are pervs and that most have a tendency to molest little boys. My son, who loved Adam before the AMA’s, was so turned off by Adam’s actions that he would not accept the CD I gave him for a gift. Adam was a safe gay for my son before the AMA’s, but afterwards was not. From what I’ve heard, radio stations have a history of not playing music from gay artists and probably the only reason they are even playing him now is because he was on idol. Let’s face it, Adam could not break into the business because he was an out and proud gay man. He needed idol to get his name out there. The problem now is that he may not be able to reach those outside the AI bubble in this country with so much rampant discrimination going on. I feel for Adam and applaud his bravery for having the guts to be so openly sexual as a gay man just starting out in the business. I believe RCA is taking a chance with him only because he is so incredibly talented that maybe that will take precedence over his gayness which I believe it did on idol and is why he got to the finals. FYE the song wasn’t accepted because it was too gay and the WWFM song is doing better because it’s not gay. We live in a very judgmental society and Adam has a long and hard road ahead of him, but if anyone can do it, it will be him, I believe. I also believe that comparisons cannot be made with Kris or anyone else where Adam is concerned because his situation is unique and never before experienced in the AI world.

  327. Did the AMAs make radio stations less likely to touch it than they normally would have been? Quite possibly. But I’m just saying that FYE was already started on a downward trajectory before the AMAs even happened.

    Ok. I will concede that point. :-) I do still believe that had radio WANTED to, they could have CHOSEN to play both whether it split spins/votes or not. But they didn’t. As I said before, I am sure that there were a lot of factors that went into them choosing not to play FYE and the AMAs were only one of them. It doesn’t change the fact that they abandoned the sexually suggestive song by a GAY MALE in favor of a safer, less threatening song.

  328. A good number of those CDs could have been bought as part of a multiple-CD sale (in other words, someone buying one for themselves and 1, 2, or more to give as gifts).

    That’s why I said bought/own. To cover the new fans who were gifted the cd. And then there are the fans who only bought the singles. And the folks who illegally downloaded songs. Plus, his sales are currently around 417,000 with another 15-20,000 sold last week. So, yeah, I think I covered my number.

  329. How do you know Adam pushed for FYE, but his label wanted WWFM? Is there a link to this info somewhere?

    lol I don’t know this for sure, that’s why I deleted that part of my comment in case someone took me to have more knowledge than I did. I just remember that being said here a few weeks/months ago, and made sense with how that girl said she saw a “Adam’s new single is WWFM” announcement on AO that was taken down before FYE was announced as the single, and on how quickly they dropped FYE and started promoting WWFM as a single on AO, like they didn’t really want to give FYE a chance. That made me think that they were originally going to have WWFM as the single, but Adam recorded FYE pretty late in the process and it was a fairly last minute decision to change it, and maybe the label wasn’t totally behind it. It’s all speculation on my part, but it makes sense to me :)

  330. The problem is that there is absolutely no evidence to support the notion that homophobia or Adam being an “unsafe gay” had anything to do with FYE’s failure at radio. Sometimes, songs just fail. It even happens to established artists. Not every song, even ones written by hitmakers, and performed by great singers, are going to succeed at radio. Sometimes, people just don’t like them. It has happened time and again, and, as I said, even to well-established, popular artists.

    Frankly, I think RCA/19’s handling of Adam vis a vis radio harmed him. They didn’t have him busting his ass doing radio interviews, gigs, jingle balls, etc., like Jive had Kris doing. Those things give an artist the opportunity to get their foot in the door. The radio station might give the song a shot. And then, if the listeners respond well to it, the station will keep spinning it. This happened to Kris and LLWD. All the while, many of the Adam fans were claiming that Adam was “too big” to do these types of things. Then, suddenly, FYE wasn’t going anywhere on radio, and RCA was in a rush to get him into some jingle balls, only it was too late, and the performance slots were filled, and so he was stuck “hosting.” RCA seemed to want to market him as an already-established star, but radio wasn’t buying that.

    Frankly, I think FYE might have been the best thing that could have happened to Adam. He cananot sing it live well–as demonstrated at both the AMAs and Gridlock. He performs WWFM much better live, which made it a better song to use for the national TV appearances he had in conjunction with his album promo. And, it was a good kick in the face to the label–made them realize they need to do the work for him to market him like the new artist he is. He’s not a star or an icon yet, and they needed to stop treating it like he was.

  331. The problem is that there is absolutely no evidence to support the notion that homophobia or Adam being an “unsafe gay” had anything to do with FYE’s failure at radio.

    The only thing I’ve heard a dj say in reference to FYE vs. WWFM is that they preferred WWFM because they didn’t feel like the song was ‘screaming at them.’

  332. I do still believe that had radio WANTED to, they could have CHOSEN to play both whether it split spins/votes or not. But they didn’t. As I said before, I am sure that there were a lot of factors that went into them choosing not to play FYE and the AMAs were only one of them. It doesn’t change the fact that they abandoned the sexually suggestive song by a GAY MALE in favor of a safer, less threatening song.

    But, RCA wouldn’t want radio stations splitting spins. Splitting spins means that neither song moves up the charts very high. That’s why, 99% of the time, labels don’t release a new single until the current single has peaked. Because once a station starts splitting spins, that means the current song will start falling. This does not help the artist.

    They also abandoned a song with three words for a song with four words. Maybe that was the problem. Radio doesn’t like 3-word songs.

  333. The problem is that there is absolutely no evidence to support the notion that homophobia or Adam being an “unsafe gay” had anything to do with FYE’s failure at radio. Sometimes, songs just fail. It even happens to established artists. Not every song, even ones written by hitmakers, and performed by great singers, are going to succeed at radio. Sometimes, people just don’t like them. It has happened time and again, and, as I said, even to well-established, popular artists.

    And there is absolutely no evidence to support the notion that homophobia did NOT play a part in FYE’s radio failure. So it seems that we are at an impasse here. I still stand by my belief that homophobia while not the only reason, is at least at the root of radio not playing FYE. It doesn’t even have to be overt homophobia but more like a mentality of “listeners aren’t gonna wanna hear a song about sex by a gay guy so let’s not even play it”. That kind of a “back-door” homophobia is just as destructive as out and out homophobia IMO.

  334. They also abandoned a song with three words for a song with four words. Maybe that was the problem. Radio doesn’t like 3-word songs.

    LOL. Is that a joke? I have never heard of that before if it isn’t. I don’t see what word counts have to do with radio spins. LOL.

  335. It doesn’t change the fact that they abandoned the sexually suggestive song by a GAY MALE in favor of a safer, less threatening song.

    If you want to blame someone for that, I would blame RCA. Radio’s reaction to the two singles coming out was natural for any artist in the same position, regardless of sexual orientation. I have the feeling RCA waffled for awhile on what single to release– my guess (and obviously it is only a guess) is that they wanted WWFM, and Adam wanted FYE. But Adam did next to no radio promo for FYE. Maybe RCA thought his name recognition alone would be enough to get airplay, but it apparently wasn’t.

    I’m not dismissing the idea that Adam has his own hurdles to face that relate to his sexuality, I just don’t think FYE’s performance on radio was related to that. I do think the AMAs effectively killed what little chance it had at that point– but I’m pointing out that the ball was already in motion once WWFM was released to radio. RCA was already moving on from FYE before the AMAs even aired, and nine times out of ten, radio will only play one new song by a new artist at a time, and they will choose the newer song.

    In any case, I think RCA has realized what they did wrong in the rollout of FYE and have done a much better job with WWFM. Is it an overnight hit? No, but not many songs are. It’s climbing at a fine rate, and now that the holiday freeze is over, it’ll keep chugging along.

  336. lostbrigade

    I don’t think we are ever going to see eye to eye on this and that’s ok. It is late, however and I’ve gotta get up early for work so I am going to call it a night/early morning. It was good to have a civilized debate with you, though. :-)

  337. isn’t fye being played in the clubs and by the djs within them? you know, in more grown-up venues? big in europe? already hot remixes? a way to drive more whole album sales?

    a different type of success, perhaps.

    i don’t get commercial radio. it simply seems so twentieth century.

  338. Congratulations to Adam for winning Z100 Best New Artist reward; it is well deserved. However, it is a shame that Adam’s song “WWFM” has been disqualified from the OHP competition due to some people allegedly spamming the radio station. The radio market uses these contests to gauge what their listeners want to hear and if there are repetitive requests from a small group of people, it skews their market analysis. “WWFM” is a great song and it has to be given the chance to move up the charts by developing a fan base outside the AI network. Everyone that I know who has heard “WWFM” likes the song a lot. Fans should definitely support the artists they like by making radio requests, but within reason, and never by obviously spamming the station.

    FYI — I have Z100 on and when the DJ introduced “WWFM,” he jokingly said something to the effect that can you believe that Adam has asked his fans not to request his songs to be played “too much.”

    People just need to be cognizant of what actions can negatively impact a person’s career. Hopefully, we will be hearing Adam’s music on the radio for years to come because he is truly a gifted vocalist and performer.

  339. I am impressed by the loyalty of some fans for FYE, the first single. Though as a way to get out there with a big bang, it may have been a good choice to get world wide attention, but I never liked the song that much. For one, it is not a song that sticks to my brain, or I can relate to that much. I was really happy when WWFM was released. I love this song. I feel like blasting it at work when things are stressful ;) I had no question that DJs liking it more than FYE, too. Could that be that simple?

    I am still amazed that radio is the biggest advertisement channel for songs in this new internet age. That’s not how we find new songs in my household. To me, songs used in TV shows (WB especially) or advertisement (Apple, Blackberry…) has a lot more impact, so Fox using FYE in their ad for new season is fantastic. And in this case, the song fits!

  340. WWFM is now #66 on itunes- Yay!!!
    It was #80 only two days ago…

    And my local Tower Records store called me on Friday to say they finally got FYE and asked if I wanted them to save me one. I figured I didn’t need it to be saved, because I would come immediately on Sunday (the beginning of the week here), but decided not to take the chance- and tis a good thing- because when I came on Sunday – THERE WERE NO COPIES LEFT!!! I was shocked- the whole stack was gone in less than two days!! And there is no promo whatsoever for Adam here… so it means he has a big initial fanbase!
    Can’t wait to here any of his singles on the radio… (they play “Mad World” sometimes…)!

    Too bad about being disqualified from OHP- hope the rabids learn a lesson- and hope it won’t hurt him in the long run (don’t really think it will though).

  341. lol I love how much passion and drama surrounds Adam. Reminds me of another star that had an overload of teddy bears sent to him. Being a “Crazy” fan is nothing to be ashamed of (even though I’m not) lol. ;)

  342. I am impressed by the loyalty of some fans for FYE

    count me as one who absolutely loves FYE, but I thought it was a terrible choice as a first US single for a whole variety of reasons. i do think it is going to have a life beyond us radio (it is being played in dance clubs, used in tv promos, may do well in other countries). Just curious tho, was there ever any explanation for its sudden disappearance from VH1? I generally have the VH1 morning show (when they actually play videos) on in the am while getting ready for work/school and prior to NYE they were playing it at least 2 times a morning, and now I haven’t seen it at all. Just seems weird that it was being played a lot and then, suddenly, nothing at all. Did RCA pull it? Did the song fall too far off the charts for VH1 to play the video? Did BSC fans piss VH1 off?

  343. Adam posted this on Adamofficial:

    “Tuesday, January 05, 2010
    A Message From Adam Lambert
    Hey guys!! I love that you want to support my music and call in requests, but please be mindful of them. Open House Party is a great supporter of my songs, but when there is an organized group of fans calling stations it becomes obvious to those stations what is going on and it understandably upsets them. Many stations can track over-use of requests and fraudulent requests and I would hate to lose their support. I love all of your support and let’s keep my songs rockin!”
    [end of quote]

    Get the message people! Don’t stop supporting songs- but do it wisely and quit harrassing dj’s and family members.
    Neil’s last two posts on his blog were just a glimpse of how people aren’t realizing how desperate and insane they seem…
    And I love Adam, but I wouldn’t try to befriend Neil or anyone else who’s close to Adam on facebook!!! I’ll read Neil’s blog though, because it’s usually interesting, and is published for all to see, but that’s about it…

    Still think he’ll be ok in the long run, but, yeah, it’s probably a little uncomfortable for him to be disqualified and looked upon as someone who’s fans are bat-shit, thus undermining his credebility as an artist

  344. Looks like Adam is going to be back on Oprah soon! She has a form on her website today to tell her how big of a fan you are and why you think you deserve tickets to her show to see him. Great news for Adam and the band!

  345. Looks like Adam is going to be back on Oprah soon! She has a form on her website today to tell her how big of a fan you are and why you think you deserve tickets to her show to see him. Great news for Adam and the band!

    I would love love this. But damn it I’m no where near Chicago.

  346. yeah, looks like Adam is booked for Oprah….altho, hopefully not on the same show with Susan Boyle (there is a form for her too)….I know that Oprah is a good thing, and you NEVER say no to Oprah, but I’m not sure that her audience demographic is what Adam is or should be going for….radio stations are not interested in playing what 40 year old women like

  347. yeah, looks like Adam is booked for Oprah….altho, hopefully not on the same show with Susan Boyle (there is a form for her too)

    I hope not too, but if they are hopefully it’s separate segments.

  348. Beyonce and alot of stars go on there for one reason, and it isn’t radio, its SALES!

  349. Squirrely
    01/05/2010 at 7:50 am
    yeah, looks like Adam is booked for Oprah….altho, hopefully not on the same show with Susan Boyle (there is a form for her too)

    I hope not too, but if they are hopefully it’s separate segments.

    Ha! I would absolutely die of laughter to see Adam and Susan Boyle sitting side by side on the same sofa….
    Hell, I’m already dying imagining it! Ha hahahaha!

    They contrast between them would scream.

    And, also, a little more seriously now, I’m sure he would be such a gentlemen to her and once again charm everyone…

    Adam Lambert is pure Entertainment.

  350. This is my first experience at being a fan. I have seen these same words or similar many times on mjbb.
    I do remember how RABID some of CA’s fans were…..very creepy!
    for the same reason, I could not align myself with a particular fan group, as
    I don’t believe in one for all or all for one concepts..Too many variables.
    I frequently see posts that are so OTT, that I have occasionally cringed.
    Most posters are reasonable and fair, and are not demanding of Adam or
    other posters…,remaining respecful admirers. Adam himself has appealed
    to his fans collectively not to go overboard. It sometimes feels like some of
    the fans think this is their own Career….not Adams?
    I realise most of us do not want to respond negatively to any particular
    posts.
    @ oceana 01/04/2010 at 10:15
    Thankyou for your concise, logical and full of “common sense” post! ITA
    with you.
    Perhaps you would agree that “common sense” is not always common
    at all!
    I do agree with oceana that it would be great if some of the moderate and
    expienced posters could put in a few words of caution without being insulting, in a general way.
    RCA, OHP and some DJ’s have expressed frustration with AI fans. With
    the twit examples shown on this site, we now know how very creepy,
    obsessive and stalker worthy some fans can be. Don’t say these people
    are not fans,….they very likely think they are his best, totally, loyal fans
    even if it could be proved in court that they are BSC, and have no concept
    of what appropriate boundrys are!!!!!!
    I don’t know who said it but I’ve seen this quoted about Adam “unsafe
    gay”. WTF. I mean, is that poster an intimate of Adam or has Adam publicly
    declared that tidbit. Is this just someone sprinkling birdseed within the cat house waiting for the pigeons to peck! Support your claim or dial it back,
    for that is beginning to sound like bigotry gone mad!
    As for Homophobia itself, we should be careful not to jump to conclusions.
    That in itself can turn DJ’s off Adam,if they are taunted with that claim.
    No matter what we think, unless that sentiment is expressed overtly, it can be very damaging to Adam. People find all sorts of ways to be very subtle.
    It is amazing how often that is expressed with “love coupled with concern”
    Retching!!!
    Adam seems to remain positive with all the stuff that has circulated around
    him. He stays gracious,caring and singing…..Just WOW!
    Lets determine to help him, not sabotoge BB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    .

  351. Oh, I totally agree mr!!!!!! I think Adam and SuBo would be epic!! He would charm the pants off of her. (Okay…wrong choice of words, not really interested in seeing her without pants.) But you get what I mean. :) I would LOVE to see those 2 on the couch comparing notes with Oprah. I would LOVE to see Adam kiss SuBo!! Oh, the opportunities here are endless!! I can see the headlines now….”SuBo’s First Kiss Comes From Adam Lambert”. :)

    I’m sure Adam’s fans would fill the audience anyway. I have a feeling they’re a little more determined than the typical SuBo fan.

  352. ha, just posted then saw mr’s post which just says my sentiments,
    but so much better!!! And ITA!!!

  353. Here comes my weekly Lambert flailing (since i don’t have any substantial input in my arsenal to add to the discussion)…

    I haven’t read all the comments and i get this – SuBo and Mr. Lambert on Oprah… LOL ahhhh, a duet (even just a short verse) would be nice!

  354. tls62– I know, right??? Endless opportunities indeed… :-)

    And thanks justjude! (Which post were u agreeing with, though? The one about the fans or the one about Adam & SuBo?)

  355. hi guys!! regarding FYE, to inform u, it is currently #1 and on top 10 on radio stations hir in Philippines…TFM is still big hir. his FYE vid is #3 in MTV Philippines Fave5, last week on #5 now its on #3!!!!it was sang by some of r great singers hir as an opening song in the top musical show hir every sunday. his song TFM was also sung by local singers hir…
    im surprised to find out that adam is popular to college students hir and they are the ones requesting and greetings adams fans on radios hir.. so kudos to adam..we will be waiting for adam to be hir too…maybe wen he has his world tour….

    btw, kris is confirmed to be hir on feb, well…moving on!!!

    and adam on oprah? just WOW!!! WOW!!! wOW!!!
    dey have the same bday!!!

  356. gossip is that adam and Kesha made out at her album release party last night. Adam/kesha kissing = want to see. Adam/Susan Boyle = not so much

  357. mmb
    01/05/2010 at 8:25 am
    gossip is that adam and Kesha made out at her album release party last night. Adam/kesha kissing = want to see. Adam/Susan Boyle = not so much

    Hey- she did say to Cantiello that she wants to have his Glambabies- so maybe he was willing to oblige??? :-)

  358. I really don’t think AI fans have the power to destroy anyone’s career anymore than they have the power to make someone a global superstar and international icon. As for homophobia and the radio we don’t have proof one way or another if that is happening or not.

  359. gossip is that adam and Kesha made out at her album release party last night. Adam/kesha kissing = want to see.

    Where did you hear that?

  360. Ha! I would absolutely die of laughter to see Adam and Susan Boyle sitting side by side on the same sofa….
    Hell, I’m already dying imagining it! Ha hahahaha!

    They contrast between them would scream.

    It certainly would! 3 millions albums sold versus 400K. LOL.

    But other than sales, I don’t see the big contrast. Both came second on reality TV shows and both appeal to Oprah’s demo of middle-aged women. I can’t see her having Adam on alone, but as part of a ‘story’ show about reality TV, it could work.

  361. I can’t see her having Adam on alone, but as part of a ’story’ show about reality TV, it could work

    He was just on in Oct or early Nov as part of a show about reality tv, so I doubt that she is doing that again

  362. Where did you hear that?

    twitter — where else?

    So it’s probably true. lol

  363. Both came second on reality TV shows and both appeal to Oprah’s demo of middle-aged women.

    Actually, I think Adam’s fanbase is a little broader than Susan’s. lol. But, you know, given the demographics of AI’s audience, it’s probably safe to say most of the top finishers, David Cook, Archie, etc., have a sizable group of middle-aged fans in their initial fanbase. Nature of the beast. The trick is to broaden from there. Adam’s album has been out for — what — six weeks. Let’s see what happens down the road. I think most of the pearl clutchers are gone anyways.

    And, Oprah and Adam have the same birthday, so perhaps he’ll be on the birthday show.

  364. So they didn’t like FYE, what’s the problem with WWFM? It’s all inside baseball perhaps. But I heard enough dj’s bashing the guy to know they do have a problem with him.

    What bashing have you heard? What are dj’s saying about him?

    dj’s are notorious for making fun of people. It happens to a lot of singers. I wouldn’t assume that everything is about Adam being gay. That’s like Kanye West thinking everything is a conspiracy against hiphop or african-americans. dj’s can hurt or help a singer’s career by the things they say, as they have influence over what people think is cool or uncool, and uncool can be the kiss of death. I take issue with how narrow-minded many dj’s are as to what is cool to like and not cool to like. People are very suggestible unfortunately. But what have they said that is homophobic? That seems like an assumption.

  365. Actually, I think Adam’s fanbase is a little broader than Susan’s. lol.

    I find that funny when she’s sold 3 million in the U.S. and more in the world compared to his 417,000 more or less. All those sales can’t be written off as gifts and souvenirs. Not saying they are all rabid fans, but clearly she has a lot of fans of her singing and her story. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of them would show up on Oprah too. Adam isn’t the only singer who has fans.

  366. I find that funny when she’s sold 3 million in the U.S. and more in the world compared to his 417,000 more or less.

    You misunderstood me. I meant Adam’s fanbase was more diversified in terms of its demographics.

    And I take nothing away from Subo. She kicked everyone’s butt this year. That includes a lot of artists more established than Adam and a number of former Idols as well.

  367. The radio station is on the internet, I live in Florida and listen to that station because I am originally from Michigan and I like the DJ’s, so they are saying I can listen from a distance but I can not request.

    Yes, basically. Radio stations don’t give a crap what internet listeners want to hear, or how many there are, because radio advertising is based on LOCAL listeners. And without advertising, no radio.

  368. Adam is just starting his musical journey. His album sales may go up and down but in the long run he will sell millions. I’m sure he will tour all over the world. His appeal to all ages is staggering. He is the real deal. Outrageous beautiful voice, drop dead gorgeous looks, and a big heart and soul. I look forward to seeing him on Oprah. He should be on TV live at least once a week. BTW check out the reruns of AI season 8 on Fox Reality just to see Adam perform. It is very emotional to a lot of fans who absolutely adore him.

  369. “”Adoring Adam
    01/05/2010 at 10:05 am
    Adam is just starting his musical journey. His album sales may go up and down but in the long run he will sell millions. I’m sure he will tour all over the world. His appeal to all ages is staggering. He is the real deal. Outrageous beautiful voice, drop dead gorgeous looks, and a big heart and soul. I look forward to seeing him on Oprah. He should be on TV live at least once a week…””

    love your post Adoring Adam…should be required reading whenever a fan gets a case of the vapors with the “controversy du jour”.

  370. And my local Tower Records store called me on Friday to say they finally got FYE and asked if I wanted them to save me one. I figured I didn’t need it to be saved, because I would come immediately on Sunday (the beginning of the week here), but decided not to take the chance- and tis a good thing- because when I came on Sunday – THERE WERE NO COPIES LEFT!!!

    mr., where exactly are you located? Tower Records went out of business and closed all their U.S. locations in 2006. They still have an online presence but no retail stores in the U.S. And since his CD hasn’t been released internationally yet, i’m curious.

  371. )….I know that Oprah is a good thing, and you NEVER say no to Oprah, but I’m not sure that her audience demographic is what Adam is or should be going for….radio stations are not interested in playing what 40 year old women like

    The Black Eyed Peas recently performed on Oprah. Their album and single sales went up.

    Beyonce and alot of stars go on there for one reason, and it isn’t radio, its SALES!

    Yep, sales are sales. Not many artists would pass on the opportunity to be on Oprah.

  372. Well MJ, it’s hard to add to this discussion because you are right. DJs HATE pesty fans calling in, particularily out of their listening area. They know the score when it comes to reality TV / Idol zealot fans. It bugs them to no end & they basically don’t care who & how many times people call in. The big “decider” (GW Bush…) of what gets played on the radio aren’t the local DJs. Very few accept “requests” and corporate decides on what gets played. They look at their competition & see what they are playing & they also look at sales too/radio adds/airplays. Yes, DJs like to make fun of people – especially if they find something to zero in on & then it’s fair game!

    One of Archie’s fans (about a year ago) posted a note on vh1 that she contacted a radio station & demanded to talk to someone “in charge” about the fact that they weren’t playing Archie’s song. That radio rep got so angry & then after trying to be diplomatic, (because she was being berated) came out and said that they think he sounds just like anyone else & didn’t think he had anything special to offer & even went so far as to tell this Archie fan that she can go to any HS musical & find tons of people better than him. So I guess there’s a lesson to learn, which she didn’t learn, because she blogged how she will continue to contact stations, etc. So I feel this fan didn’t do Archie any favors. It wasn’t his fault, but perhaps she did some harm. I am sure she encouraged many of his fans to do the same thing.

    __________________________

    Actually, I think Adam’s fanbase is a little broader than Susan’s. lol.

    I find that funny when she’s sold 3 million in the U.S. and more in the world compared to his 417,000 more or less. All those sales can’t be written off as gifts and souvenirs. Not saying they are all rabid fans, but clearly she has a lot of fans of her singing and her story. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of them would show up on Oprah too. Adam isn’t the only singer who has fans.

    ____________________________
    I agree. Not everyone watches A.I. & really don’t know who he is. Even if they watched some of the shows he was on, they still wouldn’t know him nor care. SoBo is not the kind of person who would have “rabid” fans not like A.I. fans have been known to be, certainly not here in the U.S. I also doubt folks call in radio stations either.

    As far as Adam having a wider fanbase, I doubt that every much. SoBo was a sensation on YouTube & in total has about 100 million hits on there. After she became the YouTube / Internet sensation, she was interviewed a number of time. Her sales have hit a record not seen in decades just in the US alone. Her fans aren’t rabid & some might have purchased a couple as gifts, but not to the extent I am sure that Adam’s fans have. One of Adam’s fans bought 47 CDs, took a picture of them & posted it on the internet, noting that she approaches people on the street/in stores & mentions Adam to them & if they don’t know him, she hands out a CD for free saying to listen to it, she/he will be amazed & to spread the word! Now that is dedication. Yes, that’s one incident but since he sold something like 417K or so compared to 3M of Susan Boyle, I think people are talking more about SoBo & still buying her album. In this grin week of sales, she is still #1, selling 131,330 & 50K more than #2.

  373. My station loves radio requests. We make them all the time. Not just for David “Archie”. I know they take them cause they play my request and my friends request a lot. Requesting is fun and we do dedications to.

    I gotta say it again, David’s “DSB” was amazing. :) He can sing anything and sorry I don’t see a DJ talking that way about David. He is amazing and can sing anything. lol :)

  374. reinharv,

    Please look six posts above your post. As I explained to oceana, she misunderstood my comments. So have you.

    Let me quote myself:

    You misunderstood me. I meant Adam’s fanbase was more diversified in terms of its demographics.

    And I take nothing away from Subo. She kicked everyone’s butt this year. That includes a lot of artists more established than Adam and a number of former Idols as well.

    So, basically, Archie has a clueless fan who insults radio reps and Adam has an evangelizing one who approaches strangers on the street. It could be argued that Adam’s is slightly less toxic than Archie’s but, the fact is, they’re both a little nutty. Every fanbase has them. I think we’re all in agreement here.

  375. LaurelG

    Ha Ha I think Adam’s wins cause I don’t think David’s peeps ever got a “warning warning back off now” note. lol

  376. It wasn’t his fault, but perhaps she did some harm. I am sure she encouraged many of his fans to do the same thing.

    Longtime Archuleta fan who voted on VH1 when Crush was offered there — and I never heard that story despite having hung out on the various boards. So if the woman encouraged other fans to do the same, her efforts didn’t get too far.

  377. KathyH

    I voted VH1 to and I never heard or saw that either. That’s why I was kinda whatttt?

    David’s peeps always told us only call an request in our area. So i only called here and I travel for competitions and I would call in if I was in another city that I listen to their station. But that is all.

    :)

  378. alaadam
    01/05/2010 at 12:58 am
    I thought NB was Kris’s first single. I must have missed the memo. It was played on radio, etc. wasn’t it.

    The WINNER’S single is always played on radio. Kris’s first single was LLWD.

  379. Ok, I guess the thread continues.
    I agree that Adams appeal to his fan’s was very mild….actually sweet!!
    Obviously he does not want to alienate any of his fans…even the bsc ones.
    Lets, please, respect his wishes and be smarter as to how we show our enthusiasm for his “music”. This doesn’t mean not to call or twitter but to do it randomly. The stations see the signatures and know who is block
    voting or requesting.
    We are privileged to have been the group that got to see and hear Adam at
    the beginning of his career.We can help make sure he has a better head start after this bump is no longer a pothole. (silly analogy) Ha!
    GO ADAM!!! We are ready “For Your Entertainment.”!!!!!!!!!!

  380. You misunderstood me. I meant Adam’s fanbase was more diversified in terms of its demographics.

    I don’t think Adam’s fanbase is more diversified/demographics, and I would venture a guess, & say Archie’s fanbase was more diversified with tweens, teen, moms, dads & grandmas/granddads. He’s more “clean-cut” all American Boy kind of guy.

    One thing for sure A.I. fanbase all feel their’s is the best but they go one step further than most music lovers, by searching anything about their “idol” & often dissing other good artists just to validate their own, spaming & bugging radio stations & voting for everything they find – any stupid little survey, contest, etc. , for hours on end, day after day & then they are proud “their” idol won something or other.

  381. I’m not sure I understand your point. I said I think Adam’s fanbase is more diversified demographics-wise than Susan Boyle’s. I have no opinion about the demographics of Archie’s fanbase.

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