X Factor 2 – Top 10 Results and VIDEOS

Arin Ray is eliminated
Beatrice Miller is eliminated

Yeah. That was worse than I even imagined. Rachel Crow part 2. When is Simon going to figure out that 13 is TOO YOUNG for most kids to handle the pressure of a reality competition? At least in Rachel’s case, she seemed to have a stable family situation to fall back on. I maintain that Beatrice, with her obvious family issues, should have been told to come back and audition when she was a little older. Simon cutting her now as an act of mercy is too little too late.

But really, the reason Simon cut Beatrice? CeCe is great TV. Saving her again and again, to enable her to caterwaul another day all over the X Factor stage, is just about all this competition has to offer in the way of entertainment.

There are remaining contestants who are talented. But as long as the producers keep choosing horrible songs to produce horribly, the talents of finalists like Carly Rose, Tate Stevens and Vino Alan will be wasted.

Speaking of which–the top 3 remained the same, as many of us predicted, with Tate and Carly switching position. Many of us got the bottom 3 correct too. Well not me. I assumed CeCe would be safe, while Paige would be the first to go. It turned out, Paige didn’t even have to sing for her life. I suspect the harsh critiques she got from the judges–including her own mentor–nabbed her some pity votes.

Emblem3 is slowly creeping up the charts. Expect them to continue to lose the swagger as the boys continue to shift to pop rock. They won’t win, but maybe they’ll make the finals if they continue to gain momentum.

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Gobble gobble! Two X Factor finalists are about to have the greatest Thanksgiving of their LIVES as they get booted out of the competition. Hooray! I’m sure they will be very grateful afterward.

Plus, Cher Lloyd performs. She doesn’t care about working on Thanksgiving. She’s British!

The eliminations will begin as SOON as the football game finishes up.

HERE WE GO.

We’ll be revealing the rankings once again tonight!

First a recap of last night cry-fest. THERE WAS NO END TO THE CRYING. That’s pretty much all you need to know about last night.

WHOO. After the break, a BIG THANKSGIVING SURPRISE from the contestants. Hoping hoping hoping it’s a super-lulzy group number.

Next week, Britney Spears new music video debuts. Yay?

The finalists head off to a local Los Angeles middle school, where they gather in the assembly hall. SURPRISE! It’s the X Factor finalists. I’M SURE YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE. Yay. Best Buy is going to completely re-do their music room. Oh yay. The choir kids will be ripped away from their families on Thanksgiving to perform with the finalists! NO TURKEY FOR YOU.

In typical creative fashion, the finalists sing a song that nobody ever has. “Fix You” by Coldplay. /sarcasm.  Beatrice introduces the choir. Confetti falls on their heads.

THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING screams Robo-Khloe.

Now after all that feel good fun? The first act act to go home will be announced after the break!

By the way. X Factor began broadcasting at 8 pm. It’s airing on time in Canada. We’re about 17 minutes behind.

Back from break. The first act going home is….Arin Ray. The first Teen is eliminated. Britney doesn’t seem all that broken up. Arin seems pretty chill himself though. He leaves with a big smile.

Here comes Cher Lloyd to sing “Oath”. 3 MILLION RECORDS SOLD WORLD WIDE. Whoo. I’m sorry. This chick gets on my last nerve.

After the break, we find out who made it into the Top 8.

The remaining acts and their mentors take the stage. The results are in no particular order. The rankings will be revealed later. Paige is TOTALLY shocked she’s through. Beatrice looks like she’ll have a nervous breakdown.

The Top 8

Diamond White
Vino Alan
Carly Rose Sonenclar
5th Harmony
Tate Stevens
Paige Thomas
Emblem 3


Beatrice Miller
and CeCe Frey are in the bottom 2 and will have to sing for survival. Cripes. CeCe had to console Beatrice while Britney stood there like a zombie.

CeCe Frey sings “Because of You” by Kelly Clarkson. and she’s as God awful and pitchy as ever. OMG. She is hilarious. Like a Vote for the Worst dream.

Beatrice Miller sings “White Flag” by Dido. She’s sobby all the way through it. Honestly, this girl needs to go home before she suffers more emotional damage. Watching her sing is horrible. Please stop torturing her NOW.

The judges decide whom to send home

Demi sends home Beatrice Miller.
Britney sends home CeCe Frey
LA sends home Beatrice Miller
Simon sends Beatrice home as basically a mercy kill. Thank god.

ARE YOU OK BEATRICE, Khloe asks her. What do you think, you dumb beyotch. She’s sobbing. Britney is just standing next to poor Beatrice with absolutely no affect. It’s creepy. Beatrice apologizes to her sister. It’s so sad that she feels responsible for the well being of her family. She’s only 13. It’s heartbreaking.

Back from break, it’s time to reveal the vote rankings. THAT WAS SERIOUSLY SO HEART WRENCHING FOR ME, yells Robo-Khloe. Demi was crying because she was so relieved that CeCe and Paige made it through to the Top 8.  Never mind the 13 year old who nearly had a nervous breakdwon. There was less than a half a percent difference between 4th (Emblem 3) and 3 (Vino Alan). LA thought Vino would be #1 this week.

Mario just called Carly “Carly Rose Sonenblurg. LULZ.

Vote Rankings

1. Carly Rose
2. Tate Stevens
3. Vino Alan
4. Emblem3
5. Diamond White
6. Paige Thomas
7. Fifth Harmony
8. CeCe Frey

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Looks like the football game is running long and will cut into about the first 10 minutes of the X-Factor. First, baseball, now football. Simon must be fuming. Good! lol

  • chillj

    The first ten minutes of these shows are so much introduction that I don’t even turn on the television until 8:10.  I miight hafta make it 8:20 tonight.

  • dabney c

    I didn’t watch the show last night, nor did I see any of the youtubes, nor did I read MJ’s picks. But I predict CeCe and and Arin will get the boot tonight … based on nothing but that they’re first names that came to my mind. :-D

    Happy Thanksgiving, Americans! 

  • sporkle

    LOL. I hope x-factor gets renewed for another season just so we get to enjoy MJ’s snark. Hilarious. 

  • Karen C

    Wow, that alternative rock Nirvana and SOundgarden group song was terrific !!!!!

    j/k

  • http://twitter.com/eric_ascher Eric Ascher

    already renewed. so you’re set.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    lol The stage set is the gawdiest thing I’ve ever seen!

  • http://twitter.com/bluinjewin Landon Cox

    This show just doesn’t work on Fox in the fall, with baseball, Halloween/Thanksgiving/Xmas/football. Idol proves superior again.

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    worst part of the result show, the recap of the night before :)

  • SullyD

    “I didn’t sing to sound good”

    Yeah, I figured that out, lol.

  • chillj

    Cece is almost unrecognizable from her brunette spotted self; I don’t think this is an improvement, she needs to sue.

  • http://twitter.com/ClaudeDee Claude Dee

    My prediction to go home: Arin and Paige. 

  • sue

    Simon needs to think about how he can reschedule X-Factor because this shite isn’t working. lols.  Hmmm….I’m guessing Arin and Paige are going home. 

  • SapphireBlue9

    It’s cool that Khloe made her own dress, apparently during a power outage, using a first grader’s art kit. Very cool.

  • SapphireBlue9

    How ironic. They’re singing “Fix You”.  They’re beyond repair!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IYMZ43XMLLAE6RVHJS4M6KNC5Y Dennis

    Watch this choir going to sound way better than the finalists. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    Fix You on the Fix-Factor. lol

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    the part of tonight’s show the choir, I don’t even need to see Cheryl Lloyd to know this to be true :)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    lol. we got some spoilers on twitter

  • iluvai

    I hope there’s a sing off between Paige and CeCe.

  • chillj

    Britney has a vey insincere little clap.

  • Karen C

    Lol did Kloe just say Sharon Lloyd ?

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    not a surprise but I would have told Brittany “Yeah the next time they hear from me I won’t be singing crap like you gave me” :)

  • mjsbigblog

    I know who is in the bottom 2. Should I spoil it?

  • tripp_ncwy

    Please don’t post spoilers, here. ;)  jk

  • mjsbigblog

     Har.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Khloe: “SO emotional!”

    Like she would know how that feels. lol

  • http://twitter.com/ClaudeDee Claude Dee

    Cece will be safe. Hah

  • dabney c

    Aw, Arin. The cutest smile in the competition. Reminds me of young, adorable Michael Jackson’s smile:
    http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcm4j6rcBJ1rhk2w1o6_250.gif

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Gee. This song sucks. lol

  • http://twitter.com/ClaudeDee Claude Dee

    1D and this skinny girl from X Factor UK already performed in the US franchise… Where is Melanie Amaro????

  • SapphireBlue9

    LOL “SO emotional” said the hollow tin robot completely void of any emotions.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Why is Khloe kind of caressing Mario’s back? Ewww! lol

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I know! The irony is hilarious! lol

  • http://twitter.com/5th_harmony Lea Loves 1432! 1/5

    Cher was absolutely lovely as always. Always a pleasure to see her.

  • shell29

    Went to Twitter to spoil myself…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IYMZ43XMLLAE6RVHJS4M6KNC5Y Dennis

    I also know who’s in the bottom 2 :)

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    LOL I noticed the same thing she’s been doing it all show :)

  • Nasstopher

    Britney loses 2 of her category!! Now every mentor has two acts. Hmmmm.

  • shell29

    Simon’s going to be spitting mad that the results have been spoiled before the U.S. airing again…LOL

  • Whatiswrongwithus

    Lmao! I know right!!! I’ve seen that dainty clap she does. Does she think she’s the Queen? Who claps like that?? Like she can’t use the whole portion of her palm.

  • iluvai

    oh no, it’s gonna be CeCe and Beatrice!!!

  • dabney c

    Ooo, rankings now on Canadian TV. Should I spoil?

    (We’ve got it on both CTV and Fox … I was watching Fox, so didn’t realize our station started on time.)

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Oh no. It looks like Beatrice may have a meltdown.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    I think simon at this point doesn’t even care anymore..lol

  • shell29

    LOL..you’re probably right.

  • SullyD

    Paige got through. Oh, come on…

  • fuzzywuzzy

    So FOX is showing a taped show? And no one thought that the results would be spoiled by people who watched the live show on the Canadian station? Another screw up to make Simon furious. Yay!

  • dabney c

    I think Mario just called Carly – ‘Carly Rose Sonenberg’, lol

  • SullyD

    “Simon, you’re an imparcial judge”

    I love Khloe’s involuntary sense of humor <3

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Yikes. Cece’s singing is really off key tonight. Not good.

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    LOL CeCe every good note she hits, she than hits 2 bad ones :)

  • DB987

    I would eliminate Khole  she makes Stevebot look emotional.
    Alright CeCe’s singing(I think) I save Khole and boot Ce Ce

  • shell29

    Aww Beatrice. :(  13 is too young, they need to raise the age limit IMO.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Oh no. Please, Beatrice, hold it together. She’s pretty emotional and seems upset.

  • SapphireBlue9

    CeCe makes me wanna Mike Tyson my own ears… sooo awful.

  • chillj

    Poor Page.  She was so certain she was going home it was kind of refreshing..

  • Tera2

    Its too bad Arin got eliminated so early.  He has the potential to be a star with the vibe of Chris Brown and Usher.  He’s my most favorite and I like Paige and 5th Harmony too.  It seems the producers or Britney didnt want Arin to shine past couple weeks letting him do slow songs instead of upbeat songs that fits him better.  And the whole sound malfunction when he sang last week that distracted him.   Britney is a dopey judge and Demi Lovato is very obnoxious and her comments of not signing Arin to a label was uncalled for.

     I think Arin and Paige are marketable as Pop stars that X-factor needs to look legitimate.  Simon isn’t gonna be able to duplicate the Pop success of Cher Loyd and One Direction from this season.  I don’t think Carly or Tate are gonna do well like idol winners who sold well.  Carly has a future in Broadway though.  I had high hopes for this season but it looks like another wasted season where a winner like Melanie that doesn’t have star potential wins.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IYMZ43XMLLAE6RVHJS4M6KNC5Y Dennis

    I hate the way Cece sings.

  • Tera2

    Cece and Beatrice are average, but Beatrice did better in her save me song.  Cece should go already

  • dabney c

    more crying …

    I thought Cece’s vocal was just brutal. Despite Beatrice’s breakdown, she’s a better singer.

  • shell29

    SHUT UP KHLOE!  Just be quiet!

  • FinalFantasy13

    Happy Thanksgiving Beatrice.

  • iluvai

    I bet CeCe had fewer votes than Beatrice. Oh well.

  • SapphireBlue9

    “Are you okay”  — KK

    Does she look OKAY??

    Please don’t ask her how she feels, please don’t ask her how she feels…

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    When in doubt, Simon will always vote for the meltdown

  • elliegrll

    CeCe’s singing is usually off key.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    Poor Beatrice. The best thing to her was really leaving the competition.

    Well, at least she’ll learn to never, never, never throw the producers under the bus. lol

  • SullyD

    They REALLY need to increase the age limit. This was not cool.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Can we vote Khloe off now. She is terrible, no sense of compassion at all.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    lol I thought that I remembered way back, when Cece was able to sing on key. Maybe, it was a dream.

  • Tera2

    Beatrice broke down and cried like the kid last season that I’ve already forgotten her name.  At least she didn’t fall to the floor.  I think Beatrice and Cece are mediocre and both should have gone, and Arin should have stayed.

  • Whatiswrongwithus

    Ugh.. This season I just….cannot….comprehend…

  • SapphireBlue9

    Simon is a certified moron.  I didn’t care either way tonight, though Bea was better imo, but he basically  cut her because he said it was too much too soon for her and not the right time. AKA she’s too young. After last year Rachel/Drew    he is basically exploiting little children for his own benefit and it’s really disgusting!  They need to raise the age limit but I’m sure everyone there enjoys damaging the mental welfare of 13 y/olds.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Khloe: “That was really heartwrenching” chuckle, chuckle

    lmao!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    Actually it wasn’t. I watched again her 4 performances before the live shows and it was almost perfect. That’s beyond weird.

  • catherine19

    it’s amazing how someone can murder a kelly clarkson song and still be saved. I hope she wasn’t watching the x factor tonight.

  • dabney c

    Demi was so emotional because Cece had to singoff again … and NOT because a 13 year old just had her dreams shattered on Thanksgiving? Oh, Demi.

  • genius13

    5Th harmony in 7th place???? WTF

  • iluvai

    I don’t like this ranking stuff. It’s boring.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NWXRUOY5BTHY5F52JP3ZFJTTVI Mikko

    Well, Bea  being out, this was the last night for me to follow XF. I hope I do not get hooked because of some mystical reason to follow XF3.

    I like this site, and I have enjoyed to read you people’s comments and to write some of my own. Bye, bye.

  • http://twitter.com/ClaudeDee Claude Dee

    and the queen of train wreck is safe! lol i cannnttt this show is just blah.

  • SapphireBlue9

    Who said it before…. Mario DID say Carly Rose Sonenblerg ! Something like that. HA!

  • http://twitter.com/ClaudeDee Claude Dee

    CARLY ROSE SONENBLERG?!?!?!!?!?!?!

  • justmefornow

    Just when you think this trainwreck can’t get worse, it does.
    Why am I still watching this? 

    BTW, why was Khloe rubbing Britney’s back like she was going home?
    That’s one dumb b*tch.

    …..Middle aged country dude or Broadway child, either way this show is doomed.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    The producers and the Simon/Demi tag team of negativity managed to boost Carly to #1 and drop Tate to #2. Well done, X-Factor. lol

  • girlygirltoo

    There’s no way that Beatrice should have gone home before CeCe or Paige. She runs rings around them in terms of talent. And CeCe and Paige have ben downright awful pretty much every week. How are they still there?

    However, Beatrice was in no way ready for this pressure. Especially since she seems to think it is her job to financially support her family. She’s 13 years old! She shouldn’t be worrying about making money.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    Now are they gonna to keep Tate in the death spot and Carly in the pimp spot every week? lol

  • jennyl2

    Sad that Beatrice is gone. She has a lovely tone and was my fav last night. I still think girl has great potential just maybe too young. Cece…. I have no words… maybe … need a hearing aid….Paige murdered my fav Britney song…

  • Listening

    Cee Cee definitely had less votes. That’s why Simon didn’t send it to deadlock he knew Beatrice would still stay. Simon thought Beatrice had a shot of going further in the competition b/c Cee Cee wasn’t connecting w/ the public but during the sing off it was clear Beatrice was riding the edge of snapping. You’re like wow 13 is just too young she doesn’t handle pressure well but then you look at Carly who seems to have a better handle on everything. You just don’t know. I bet after this Simon is seriously considering raising the age limit.

    For the record I preferred Beatrice as well but like Simon I had concerns on how she’d handle continuing.

  • iluvai

    Ha ha, that was funny!!!

  • iluvai

    I don’t know much about twitter, but my daughter said that #bringbeaback is trending.

  • chillj

    I may need to see a therapist about my need to watch this.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    Emblem 3 is gaining ground and going up the ladder every week; if the XF producers kept shoving Carly up voters throat, she might just not win this at the end.

  • elliegrll

    Beatrice is slightly better than Paige and CeeCee, but her behavior has always lead me to believe that she’s not ready for this type of show or competition.  She wears her emotions on her sleeves, which gives her performances more heft than most of the contestants, but she still came off as a little girl who should be singing in front of the PTA or her mirror.  She never seemed strong enough, so because of that, I’m not upset that she’s gone.

    That being said, CeeCee has overstayed her welcome. 

    Leando said: Now are they gonna to keep Tate in the death spot and Carly in the pimp spot every week? lol

    They really have been trying very hard to knock Tate off of the top spot.  I wonder if their work is done, and they will skip giving the rankings next week.

  • dabney c

    LOL, it was me because I heard it on CTV a few minutes earlier. “Sonenblerg”, hahaha!

  • sue

    Raise the fracking age to at least 16. These children are not ready for this shite. :( 

  • shell29

    Uncle Simon can’t seem to get his boys Emblem3 to the top spot.  I wonder what tricks he has up his sleeve to make that happen.  Time to gas up the busses for Tate I suppose.

  • voicesinmyhead

    I’m so glad the Voice doesn’t have sobbing 12 – 13 yo’s on the show. That’s why it’s better than Xfactor.  I hate to see how Carly Rose will react when she gets the boot.

  • SapphireBlue9

    It could only be better if during the finale he announces the winner’s name wrong!  I expect nothing more :)

    And another spot on observation from Khlo to Britney after Bea’s elimination: “That must’ve been hard for you, you have kids about that age”  Aren’t her kids like 5?  KK is so perceptive!

  • Karen C

    You’re like wow 13 is just too young she doesn’t handle pressure well but then you look at Carly who seems to have a better handle on everything. You just don’t know. I bet after this Simon is seriously considering raising the age limit.

    I hope so.  I think maybe some can handle it and some can’t.   But also, Carly hasn’t been at the bottom yet, and she has a lot more experience than Beatrice has.  And it’s also too much for any 13 yr old to feel she had to make money from the show to help her family. 

    I think they should raise the age to 16 on all these shows.  And it is still 16 on the UK X Factor.

  • tomr

    There is something SERIOUSLY wrong with 13 year olds being mentored/coached by Britney.  What an example! 

  • iluvai

    omg, that was funny too. I’m pretty sure Britney’s kids aren’t 13.  lol… eta wicki says they are about 6 and 7.

  • alonzo7

    This show is beyond ridiculous-hard not to watch-Khloe is horrendous and now Mario calls Carly by the wrong name.
    I am not a CECe fan and had to mute that screaming cat version of Kelly’s song.
    Felt Simon did the right thing sending Beatrice home-her vocie was shot and she was about to have a meltdonwn.I love Carly Rose but she will never be a recording artist and Tate is just one of many good country singers. Funny how LA complained about the over 25’s and he has 2 out of three in the top.
    No standouts-winners are never seen again-who would want to have a recording contract with these folks???
    At least people have the option of seeing the top ten on AI because of the tour and those kids make some money and get to hone their skills.
    Bet Brittany loved Khloe saying she had kids Beatrices’s age-just too funny!!!!!

  • Kitwana

    Based on Beatrice’s meltdown, and Rachel Crow’s meltdown from last year, it does seem reasonable to raise the age limit of X-Factor. But it’s a tough call.  There are many other examples of very young teens successfully handling the pressures of a show-business career. Miley Cyrus, Usher (on Star Search), Greyson Chance, and Cody Simpson were all 13 when they started their careers.  David Archuleta was just 12 when he won Star Search. To me, when kids break down like Beatrice did, there must be more than the pressure of being on a reality show.  There must be family pressure including pressure to bring home the money needed to support the family and maybe even pressure to make up for dreams not met by family members. I’d be willing to bet that the family pressure weighed far more heavily on Beatrice and Rachel than the pressure of X-Factor.

  • mason williams

    HEY SIMON WERE’S MELANIE,LESS UK XF MOREXFUS PRONTO

  • FinalFantasy13

    to play devils advocate Cece did hit that one big note pretty well.. It was just all those other notes she had some troubles with.

  • SapphireBlue9

    Ohhh.. I just realized why Khloe is always asking, “How are you feeling?” … it’s because her stepfather Bruce Jenner’s face always looks the same… and same with her mom/agent’s face… their faces can’t express emotions so she’s used to constantly asking that question.  Now I understand!

  • yksask

     This show is beyond ridiculous-hard not to watch-Khloe is horrendous and now Mario calls Carly by the wrong name.

     Horrendous is being nice. How the hell did this woman get the job????

  • http://twitter.com/HighTensions Jake Williams

    I called two of the 3 tonight. I’m satisfied with the eliminations.

  • Jazz_11

    Didn’t Britney say many times that she’s not sure if Beatrice can handle the pressure or not?

  • hellomusicgirl

    OK so I passed up being appalled at this show and just started being amused by it. Whoever suggested that to me last night, thank you! If you stop trying to take it seriously then it becomes much more enjoyable. 

    It’s actually like an entire season-long SNL parody of a reality singing show. I hope Tina Fey shows up to play Khloe next week. Just for lulz.

    And maybe Mario can intro Simon as “Simon Cowenriderfluken”.

  • Oldhag

    The bottom 3 were exactly who I thought they would be. Based on the totality of their performances CeCe should have left before Beatrice but I think Beatrice being sent home was essentially a mercy killing. Next week CeCe needs to go.

  • Klaine

    This shoe is just plain awful. Didn’t Simon learn last year not to have teens on the show. This is not entertainment. Its painful to watch these girlsfall to pieces. And is Britney so detached. She seems tho have no connection or empathy for her contestant. Amazing!!!! Don’t know if CeCe, Khloe or Britney or Paige is the bigger train wreck. These contestant are being less to so they think they’re great when there vocals have been awful. What happened to the Simon that was on Idol? And with Vino, Tate & Carly in the top three weekly and Tate getting #2 with the death slot, the only mystery now is whether emblem 3 makes it to the finals which Simon will make happen. LA hated the over’s and look where he is. The only good thing is that with Demis acts soon to be eliminated, we’ll at least get a winner this time that wouldn’t have qualified for Idol… so what do you do at 13 if you get 5million.

    Also weren’t one of Beatrice’s mom’s on set to go out on stage and comfort her just like Rachel’s mom did

  • vhill

    well now lyric145 and beatrice are gone, my faves. FAIL AMERICA. Fifth Harmony should have been higher. 

  • http://twitter.com/raya4 raya

    There are many young teens that can probably handle the pressure, but X Factor IMO certainly doesn’t do a good job of weeding out the ones that can’t.  Part of why I couldn’t get into this show last year was that I had no desire to watch 13 year olds have total meltdowns on stage and I had stayed away this year.  I caught the very end tonight and once again, it was proof once again why I don’t watch, though Khloe & Mario don’t help either.  It was so uncomfortable to watch.

  • girlygirltoo

    Sure, there are a lot of people who had success as a child actor by the time they were 12 or 13. And a lot of them have even managed to manage the lifestyle, the fame, etc. without melting down, having issues with the law, drugs, their family life, etc. 

    But very few have had success as recording artists at such a young age, and the few that have generally tend to be part of groups (Jackson5, Osmonds, Menudo, etc), not solo artists. Of the people you mention, only Miley Cyrus would be considered a true star as a recording artist. And she didn’t release her first solo album (not counting the Hannah Montana soundtracks) until July 2008, when she was nearly 16 years old.  Cody Simpson is only 15 years old, but has he had any real success as a recording artist? I can honestly say I’ve never heard any of his stuff on the radio. According to Wikipedia, although he had released a couple of EPs, he didn’t release his first full album until Sept. 28, 2012 (age 15). It sold just over 15K its first week.  Grayson Chance? According to wikipedia, his album sold just over 16K its first week when it was released just before his 14th birthday (in August 2011). These are not exactly sales numbers that scream “star”. No one knew who David Archuleta was until he appeared on Idol, when he was 17 years old. Aside from Miley, none of these people have really becoming successful recording artists (well, Archie briefly did, but he was older than all the others you list and his success hasn’t lasted (in the US, anyway) ).

    There’s also a big difference between someone who is 13 and someone who is 15 or 16.

  • Listening

    Hmm if i’m not mistaken during Judges Houses Britney said she wasn’t sure CARLY could handle the pressure.

    I say that b/c I remember thinking hmm that’s strange Carly seems fine but Beatrice seems a bit fragile. I guess the signs were there from the beginning remember at Judges Houses Beatrice had a mini freak out and they delayed a bit before she performed for Britney.

    But darn it when she’s on Beatrice’s tone is magical. I loved her titanium performance. I thought the girls were the best of Britney’s category. I was ecstatic when she made it in. She just never got the right song to showcase the quality of her voice. She kept trying to belt out notes which she had trouble hitting instead of focusing on the delicate emotive side of her vocals.

    I understand both points Simon had for keeping her and letting her go. Beatrice wasn’t long for the competition even if she had been saved and I guess Simon just couldn’t put her through this again w/ so little chance of true advancement in the competition. Though it nearly broke more heart when Beatrice apologized to her family for being cut.

  • Kitwana

    girlygirltoo I said “successfully handling the pressures of a professional career”. All the young people I mentioned have managed, or are managing  the pressure of a professional career at a very young age.  They may not have achieved platinum sales but that does not mean that they did not have to deal with career pressures.  

    David Archuleta is actually a great example that very young people can take the pressures of an adult careeer if they have the right support and the right upbringing.  He won Star Search at 12, lost a second competition at 13/14, suffered vocal paralysis at 14 which prevented him from performing but still managed to overcome it and finish 2nd in Season 7 of Idol.  Since Idol, he has not made less than $1 million a year or release at least 1 CD a year since 2008.  Nobody else in Season 7 can say the same.  

    So, like I said, it’s not so much the person’s age that is key, it is the person and more importantly, the person’s family.  As someone else mentioned, X-Factor can continue to let 13 year olds compete but they need to find the right 13 year olds with the right family support.  So, let the Mileys and Davids compete but don’t let the Beatrices and Rachels compete.

  • jewelsceo

    I agree….13 is very young and I like Beatrice yet, she was having a breakdown and CeCe was consoling her onstage…age limit should be raised abit higher…

  • http://twitter.com/raya4 raya

    I can usually deal with 16 on these shows because even while the talent themselves might not be ready from a certain standpoint, which we often say about certain young idol/idolettes as well, maturity wise they are generally at least able to handle themselves on television and understand that being booted from a singing competition isn’t the end of the world.  Let’s just say that they are mature enough, again generally, to not have epic meltdowns when things don’t go their way on stage.  Most of the youngsters we’ve seen on Idol have actually handled themselves spectacularly well.  To me there is just such a world of difference maturity wise between 13 and 16.

  • jewelsceo

    I agree …16 an good age to begin

  • Listening

    Fifth Harmony just don’t feel like a group to me and they’re one dimensional. That’s why I feel like their hype is dying. All they can do is each  take turns singing a line while either sitting or standing then walking forward for a bit. They are so boring they’re like card board cut outs.

     I can’t help but compare them to Little Mix the girl group that was formed on X factor UK  last season. They actually won their season too. They’re a group of four and two of the girls have voices as strong as any of Fifth Harmony while the other two have good vocals. I watch all their performances and their album on Youtube and they’re Awesome. The major difference is well…. everything they’ll like the exact opposite of Fifth Harmony they have a personality on stage and can do both uptemp and ballads. They can dance and they blend and feel like a group when performing. Little Mix have a few years on the Fifth Harmony members whom I believe are mostly 15 & 16 year olds so maybe w/ time they could grow into them. But as of now they just come across as solo ballad singers to me.

  • iluvai

    Who is the “pop star” left in this final 8? I think Diamond, but she is also very young. I also think 5th Harmony has a shot. I hope CeCe is gone next week. I’m sorry but I’m rooting against her at this point. 

  • kmd23

    I do give CeeCee some credit for being comforting and supportive to Beatrice. Britney did not even attempt to comfort Beatrice when she was standing next to her and she is supposed to be her mentor. Britney just comes off as very flat with no emotion at times. I wonder if Britney even spends much time with the kids that she is supposed to mentor. I hope she is not  back next season.

  • jlscott13

    Do you think ANY of the mentors actually spends time with any of their contestants?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=579290324 Michael Bishop

    There are multiple problems with CeeCee, but one of the biggest started early on when they cast her as the bitchy girl making snarky comments about other contestants.  After painting that picture of her, true or not, there was no way the voters would rally around her.  She was DOA in this competition, she has moments where she sings really well, and moments when she is completely pitchy but the fact that they’ve made her up to look like Kei$ha, and Pink they’ve made her a cartoon.  She lacks an original look and sound.  I think they keep her around as cannon fodder to protect others in case they hit bottom 2.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IYMZ43XMLLAE6RVHJS4M6KNC5Y Dennis

    Little Mix had a good thing going for them, Tulisa as a mentor. She gave them cool hip songs to sing, Fifth Harmony have Simon who is too out of touch to know anything. I would love for 5th Harmony to do some uptempo Beyonce tracks or something but with Simon as a mentor or the producers for that matter who think we just want them to sing ballads all the time.

  • kmd23

    I would guess that LA and Demi do spend time with their contestants. Not so sure about Simon. At least they know their contestants names. lol.

  • jlscott13

    I’ve heard that none of the “mentors” actually spend any real amount of time with their team, just enough for the recorded part that airs every week.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    I know Simon has ulterior motives… always. But, I did think it was a wise choice to let Beatrice go. Though I appreciate her talent, I agree with Simon. This is not her time, and the competition is just too rough on her. I guess I hate that it was CeCe who was saved in Bea’s place. She’s gone from the person I thought might have a shot at a successful career (despite her mean girl edit) to being a joke contestant of sorts.

  • iluvai

    I think being eliminated was good for Beatrice. The show tried to make her into something that she wasn’t. I hope she finds herself as an artist. I love her voice and spunk. Shame on her parents for making her feel like she has to support the family. I take that back. Beatrice probably took that burden on as her own. She is a loving and sweet girl. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ACMLXLYSSX73RNYQOUZWSO2I4U Enough already!

    The real pity is Simon has no children.  I wouldn’t be surprised if he avoided them in his personal life.   So exploiting barely teens who are vulnerable not a stretch for him.   Watching youngsters fall apart when their dreams are built up then torn down is not good tv even reality tv.  I saw Rachel melt down last year and haven’t watched this show since, nor will I.   Do enjoy your recaps and everyones comments about Klohe, but isn’t she part of a team?   Hope you had a nice Thansgiving Mj do you ever get a day or two off?

  • Kitwana

    Enough already, I doubt Beatrice or Rachel would have broken down like they did if Simon was their dad. With Simon’s wealth, there’s no way he would ever have to rely on his teen daughter to support his family. So, there goes one of the big reasons for their breakdowns, in my opinion – an utter desperation for fame and the financial rewards it brings. I also don’t see Simon building up the ego of a teen daughter who is moderately talented at best. Sorry Beatrice and Rachel fans but these two girls were mediocre at best and lacked the maturity and inner strength to deal with this type of competition. There are some 13 year olds who do have these qualities, just not these two. The real tragedy is that the adults around them lacked the courage to be honest with them from the start and tell them to join the school play rather than X-Factor. I suspect their reluctance to be honest with their girls has something to do with the potential $5 million payday – which is pocket money to Simon Cowell.

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    Allison Iraheta cried like a bitch when she got voted off, and she still laid down the best sing off EVER with “Crybaby”. Girlfriend was on point, and best performance she ever put down on Idol. All this constant crying is just making me nauseous, as it doesn’t change how deeply mediocre people like CeCe and Paige is. (How she managed to avoid the bottom and jump ahead of Fifth Harmony in rankings is mind-blowing). Don’t get me started on Beatrice, as not only is she not ready for primetime, but I honestly didn’t much care for her as a vocalist.

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    I have never in my life seen 13-year-olds breakdown the way beatrice, Rachel, or even Drew did. Fame is not only no place to be for young kids, but certainly not for those who are frankly, emotionally spoiled. 

  • Nedsdag

    I thought Simon knew how to bring together five solo artists and help them develop into a solid group. I’m giving Fifth Harmony one last chance before I turn my allegiance over to someone who deserves it like Diamond White.

    It’s interesting to watch how Diamond took her first rejection and how Beatrice took hers. It was night and day. Granted, she wasn’t “ready” Simon, but it was YOU who lowered the age limit putting pressure on pubescent children. 

    The way this show is heading, Carly will win, but it’ll be a “big whoop” response from me. She doesn’t have an “It” factor let alone an X one. Who is her audience? 

    To me, she reminds me of the first America’s Got Talent winner Bianca Ryan (another tween with a big voice) who literally returned to obscurity after her first album. She also reminds me of a female version of Davy Jones of the Monkees (RIP).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ACMLXLYSSX73RNYQOUZWSO2I4U Enough already!

    You are correct  Kitwanna, and I agree people with Simon’s money have no need to put their young children on these shows.   But I believe I stated my case badly–I meant that Simon’s personal “disconnect with young children might be the reason that he feels this type of kiddy drama ok for the X Factor, where the average person finds it offensive and sad.   But you did hit the nail on the head  5 million bucks will make some people do just about anything.   Unfortunately, this story Beatrice tells might be all too true making it ever sadder. 

  • http://twitter.com/jepriy Jepoy Ramos

    No…. compared to the voice where you can tell there’s camaraderie between the contestants and the mentors…. at XFactor they all seemed awkward with each other and there seems to be a gap/space between them

  • Maya100

    Despite that she’s not my style, one example of a successful recording artist is Jackie Evancho, who was 10 on AGT.  I still think she should be at school and learning about musicianship instead of performing full time, but the fact is she seems at the moment to be handling it.  Of course, she’s never been knocked down, so when that happens, it will be a test.

  • Listening

    I don’t get the impression that there’s a true comradiere between the voice contestants and mentors. I believe that’s the impression they want to convey though. When Christina says oh I gathered my group together for so and so, I feel like that’s just going through the motions it’s not genuine.

    The difference between the Voice and X-Factor is that I believe the voice mentors are more likely to listen to their team’s opinion. They’ll let them get full control of what to sing. For instance Ce Lo hadn’t wanted Trevin to sing Usher’s scream but since Trevin was so passionate about it Ce Lo deferred to him. Now was that a bit too far of left field to what Trevin normally does and was it detrimental to showcasing his vocals yep. But it  just emphasizes how much voice coaches want their acts to be theirselves and feel comfortable performing. While in regards to X- Factor you constantly run into situations were acts aren’t being theirselves. For instance Britney had Beatrice doing a song she didn’t like and Arin who felt he was going further and further from his desired path.

  • girlygirltoo

    There isn’t one. Diamond is only 13, as well, isn’t she? Too young. And she seems to be the next big voiced diva, a la Whitney or Celine, not a pop artist who would be relevant in today’s market.

  • girlygirltoo

    not according to the story that was in the headlines thread the other day, which said the mentors show up to work with the contestants pretty much only on the day before the show or some such thing.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5HGXDY5SA4QJRME7OQJXRJYE4M James M.

    I wouldn’t call what Allison did “crying like a bitch”, but she did have some choice words (Nothing offensive, IIRC they would make you say “You go girl!” before you even think negative things, in other words). Her sing-off was epic.

    And YES, please raise the age requirements. It’s so effing painful to watch these kids get eliminated no matter how semi-entertaining their breakdowns are. Rachel Crow’s, for example…. Then again, I have an extremely odd sense of humor in that it was really painful and heartbreaking yet there was something slightly humorous about it (masochism, maybe?). Not something I’d want to go through again, though.

    I do have to say that I commend Diamond White and Carly Rose at their young age for being so poised and seemingly stable. When Diamond was first eliminated, she was like “Oh well!” (which leads me to believe either she’s wise beyond her years or they told her she’d be coming back and just wanted to be dramatic). But other than that, no, no more of their age.

    I don’t find the judges’ panel extremely watchable, either.

  • Keyera Mullins

    I’m still sitting here wondering how Cece is still in this competition. lol 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    I was bored and decided to re-watch the last 2 elimination announcement and the end result.  Cece had always irked me from day one, but tonight she comes across mighty decent towards Beatrice.  Britney came across so cold that made Simon looks humane when he was with Drew.

  • Ratna12

    The whole elimination show was weird.
    Arin looked relief, Britney didn’t seem to care that he is gone.
    Beatrice was crying, got eliminated and her mentor still did not seem to care.
    I was flabbergasted actually on how detached Britney was to her contestants, no touching, nothing…maybe her history has something to do with it ? I don’t know, really weird.

  • http://twitter.com/JonKills Jon Glass

    Cece did AMAZING with her save me song. Are you crazy?

  • TackyZacky

    I always really liked X-Factor UK better.

    In fact I like Cher Lloyd – inexplicably I like her style and swagger – she was the only one that impressed me during her season.

    Never did like Matt Cardle who went on to win the contest and whose cd (I think) never did sell well.

    I remember betting when Cher lost early on that Simon would still sign her up and would probably be more successful than the winner.

    Glad to see both events happened and now Cher has sold not only one but three million records worldwide! Good for her.

  • http://twitter.com/BazzleFjsm Bazzle

    Woa poor Beatrice. But we all knew that if she got the bottom that that’s where she was heading for… a breakdown. White Flag by Dido…. now that’s a good song choice for Beatrice IMO… could have been a moment song too if her vocal chords weren’t fried and she didn’t breakdown. But seeing Beatrice like that.. and Carly Rose finally losing a bit of composure and being all giddy cos she got first… reminds me that they are still just kids. They have their whole life and their teen years ahead of them and they should make X Factor a learning experience. Arin Ray will be fine. I think he may even take a producer/mogul sort of route cos hes got that background which is perfectly fine cos they seem to do well in fame and commercially. I think this competition taught him the reality of his weakness’s and strengths. I hope he goes back to making those originals of his. Cos I liked dat! 

  • http://twitter.com/BazzleFjsm Bazzle

    As for the rankings. Wasn’t surprising for various reasons. But Carly Rose edging Tate Stevens and Emblem 3 coming very close to Vino could mean one breakout performance can change things on the leader board for the weeks to come. This leaderboard could definitely change drastically as the numbers die down and soon we’ll be starting to see not 1 but 2 performances. It’s anyone’s game at the moment. Vino and Emblem3 still haven’t found the right songs IMO but once they do could definitely overtake Carly Rose and Tate Stevens who best be making sure they stay on track. If Emblem3 rip out an original they will make the final 3 at the rate their going. 

  • http://twitter.com/pokepikalem Le Viet Anh Nghi

    Chloe is dumb but i think she genuinely concerned for Beatrice. She needs to get off that stage tho.

  • Karen C

    Miley Cyrus, Usher (on Star Search), Greyson Chance, and Cody Simpson were all 13 when they started their careers. David Archuleta was just 12 when he won Star Search. To me, when kids break down like Beatrice did, there must be more than the pressure of being on a reality show. There must be family pressure including pressure to bring home the money needed to support the family and maybe even pressure to make up for dreams not met by family members. I’d be willing to bet that the family pressure weighed far more heavily on Beatrice and Rachel than the pressure of X-Factor.

    I think it’s the pressure of being in this type of competition itself at this age, also.  Other than David Archuleta and Usher, the others weren’t in any type of contest.   And Miley Cyrus and Cody Simpson had grown up around the music business. 

    Though, maybe it’s the losing the 5 million dollar prize that is causing more pressure.

  • elliegrll

     

    but the fact that they’ve made her up to look like Kei$ha, and Pink they’ve made her a cartoon.  She lacks an original look and sound.

    This could apply to all of the contestants.  Tate doesn’t look like a cartoon character, but his sound is very generic.  Vino’s voice has a nice quality, but it wasn’t meant to sing songs like “God Bless the USA.”  He hasn’t done any songs that have allowed him to showcase his unique tone.   There’s not much that can be said about the physical makeovers that make the contestants look like they are copying other more established singers, or like they are playing dress up.

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    That’s sarcasm…right?

  • hcpoirot

    Cece never can sing on key. What you see in her audition round had to be auto tune. Cause this is already week 4 in live rounds and she singing off tune every week.

    She just cannot sing. But because somehow Simon wanted her in top 12 and will keep her as long as possible for entertainment value.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I wonder if Simon is going to show Britney how to react when you lose one of your acts, let alone two.  Beatrice could have used the support.  I think with singing lessons, she could have a career down the road.

  • http://twitter.com/Paul_Dickens Paul Dickens

     But last year he was ripping off UK X Factor versions of songs left right and centre, I can’t believe I’m saying it but why hasn’t he just done that with these girls? I mean not Don’t Let Go because that’s now Little Mix’s but the harmonies in E.T were amazing, as was I’m Like A Bird however that needs more swag than 5th Harmony actually scratch that now that I’m thinking about it the girls have no swag for any of the others either. But why did Simon choose I’ll Stand By You? He chose that for Belle Amie to luke warm response. I think Simon knows how to cater to the female tween market I mean he’s had 5ive, Westlife, One Direction to name a few but from the sounds of interviews Little Mix are on Syco but he doesn’t have much to do with them I mean they even said “We had Simon listen to our single and he really liked it” I bet you he picked out One Directions songs on their album, he can’t even give Leona the right material he was just lucky with Bleeding Love while it sounded like Alexandra just flat out told Simon no and they’d be doing things more her way as did Rebecca and I think he goes along with it because he doesn’t know what to do.

  • kmd23

     I agree that Archie is a good example of how young people can handle the pressures well. Archie handled his loss to David Cook with such grace and was the first one to say that Cook should have won. Beatrice and Archie do have one thing in common. Serious vocal cord issues. Beatrice sent a tweet last night that she was performing with “a hemorrhage on one of my vocal chords.” These kids really can do damage to their vocal cords at such a young age and that is sad to me.

  • http://twitter.com/lucy__luz Luz Mae Salvador

    WOW!!!  CeCe should have been the one to go..she’s awful every week!

  • Kitwana

    Karen C, The original Star Search had a Junior category and a Teen category with the former having contestants around Rachel and Beatrice’s age. Losers included Usher, Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake and many others http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Search They did not react to their loss like these two. Maybe Britney had difficulty sympathizing because she lost her run at Star Search at 12 and took it a lot more maturely. David Archuleta lost in the Champions Series of Star Search in 2004 while suffering through vocal paralysis brought on by a lingering cold but he did not bawl like these two. X-Factor should find out how Star Search was able to find the more stable, mature, or realistic junior contestants and try to use their system to avoid the Beatrice and Rachel breakdowns. I have to admit that Beatrice’s apology to her sister was heartbreaking. Maybe if the show paid the losers more money, there would be less pressure to win. With all the ad revenue, why can’t Top 10 finishers get $100,000 or $200,000 consolation prizes? Especially when judges make tens of millions.

  • suenigma

    Kitwana, I think that there was a huge difference between the relatively compassionate or at least benign Star Search and the exploitive machine that is X Factor. Not even close. These children are Plucked from obscurity and manipulated to provide drama. Star search was genuinely about finding the best singer, x factor is not, clearly. Were the star search contestants separated/isolated from their family and friends for instance?

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    I remember betting when Cher lost early on that Simon would still sign
    her up and would probably be more successful than the winner.

    He is very good at selling image over talent. After all, look what he did for himself!

  • suenigma

    Archie was 17, and had had almost a lifetimes experience singing and competing at that point. Also he is just an exceptionally gracious and calm individual. Pretty hard to live up to that.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Archie was 17, and had had almost a lifetimes experience singing and
    competing at that point. Also he is just an exceptionally gracious and
    calm individual. Pretty hard to live up to that.

    Archie’s priorities have always seemed different. Sure, music is extremely important to him, but I think he sees it as a way to express his spirituality and love of family and faith.

    There was a young girl who broke down on Idol during Season 7 in the semis. Long blonde hair girl. (I know. There were a lot of them, but she was the youngest of that group of girls, I think.) And, as I recall, Archie broke down during Alexandrea’s elimination — another semis moment. They had clearly become friends and he seemed brokenhearted. It was very touching. He cried all over Luke Menard.

  • http://twitter.com/Paul_Dickens Paul Dickens

     Was that Alana Whitaker? I loved her, she was sooooooooooo robbed even if Hopelessly Devoted To You was a dodgy choice (I still love her More Today Than Yesterday)

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Yes, that was her. That was one emotional episode. (Also, I remember Brooke White having a bit of a breakdown during Top 5, but Brooke always seemed to be on the edge of her nerves, especially as the competition progressed.)

  • Kitwana

    Maybe the solution is to do some psychological testing of the younger contestants before they’re allowed to compete. Find the mentally tough ones like Britney, Usher, Justin Timberlake and weed out the rest.

    I think a new segment on X-Factor showing kids being told that they are being eliminated because they are psychologically unstable/weak/immature would make an interesting addition to X-Factor….And yes Simon, I am joking but if you do add such a segment with Dr. Phil as the in house X-Factor psychologist, I better get credit for the idea lol.

  • Karen C

    Maybe the criteria for who they would take on was different for Star Search.  Some that age can take the pressure and some can’t.  It could also be that on the X Factor they are competing against adults, and the competition is longer.

    ETA: I believe they do make some money for appearing on the show, especially the live shows.

  • artemis112

    XFactor is so emotionally manipulative and yet I still watch, because it’s entertaining. I teared up four times during the performance show even while my cynical brain was protesting the corny song choices and the tearjerking stories.
    Last night I cried again watching the faces of the schoolchildren as they learned about the donations to their music program. But seeing Beatrice get upset was painful to watch; as Lyndsey Parker tweeted:

    No better way for the whole family to enjoy Thanksgiving than watching kids dreams get mashed like yams.

    Beatrice was one of my favorites, but I’m not surprised Simon sent her home. The stress was too much for her, and she most likely needs a period of vocal rest due to her vocal cord hemorrhage to avoid further damage. This show would be way too stressful for most 13 year old children, though some can handle it.

  • suenigma

    See now, I wouldn’t call Britney mentally tough, by ANY stretch. She may have appeared to be composed at the time, but the damage was still being done. That is the REAL danger of these shows. Not how the kids comport themselves for our benefit, but how the shows are impacting them. It may have been uncomfortable to watch, but I personally think that Beatrice and Rachel breaking down because they were stressed, disappointed and sad is far more normal for 13 year olds than staying robotically composed.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I have never in my life seen 13-year-olds breakdown the way beatrice, Rachel, or even Drew did. Fame is not only no place to be for young kids, but certainly not for those who are frankly, emotionally spoiled.

    I’ve seen 13 year old girls breakdown the way Beatrice and Drew did when they didn’t make the school play or school team or when their BFF was mean to them or their boyfriends broke up with them. These girls aren’t emotionally spoiled, they are typical sensitive preteens.

  • Kitwana

    Suenigma: I agree that those not strong enough can be damaged from the reality show competition experience. Others like Timberlake and Usher do not appear to have been negatively impacted. That’s why I was not joking when I suggested there should be psychological testing.

    Britney is an interesting case. She seemed totally in control of her life and career until she married Federline and had her two kids. Then things went terribly wrong. We’ll never know what caused the sudden change in Britney.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Having coached Junior High Cheerleaders (and Older), I can tell you hormones sometimes play a part in how a young female will react to things. When it comes to pressure and losing, some really do lose it. I don’t know that it can be tested. I also believe Simon is JOYFUL to see drama, even when it is painful.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    The way young men act in such a situation might be 180 degrees different than their female counterpart.

  • standtotheright

    That’s why I was not joking when I suggested there should be psychological testing.

    Then they need to be of legal age to submit to that battery of tests, just like they need to be of legal age to have completed schooling so that they aren’t at a disadvantage compared to their competitors who have more time to rehearse, just like they need to be of legal age to sign contracts.

    It’s pretty simple. If they don’t want viewers like me to refuse to watch because they are manipulating pre-teens and young teens, then they have to cast 18+ contestants who are all on the same footing. Kids who want to compete in these shows can do it outside of primetime. I won’t watch them.

  • thedeviledadvocate

    If one is under the impression that a minimum age of 16 or even 18 on shows like the xfactor, would eliminate performers having emotional meltdowns, I say, balony. We need only look to earlier this season on the xfactor to an over 18 year old Jillian Jensen to see that becoming a blubbering mess can and does happen to performers who cannot handle the pressure, regardless of their age.

    The fact is these shows pull the viewers in, and then tug on the viewers heart. Whether it is Scotty or Philip crying at their coronation, or Lauren being tearfully upset at being in the bottom two, or Hayley holding back her tears after a scathing Randy rips her choice of an inspirational song, or James being emotionally perfect, these programs want you to empathize with the contestants. The only problem with 13 years olds (and to the producers this is a positive not a negative) is that the audience feels even more emotion when a 13 year old cries than it does when a 23 year old cries. The producers have one goal: MONEY. If Beatrice, Cece, Paige and Jillian have to shed a few tears for the producers to make more money, guess what, there are going to be tears shed. Keep in mind, it is only a tv show, and most of what we see is staged, and designed to make the viewer feel. Exploiting contestants is what the producers do, regardless of their age. The viewers of these shows are drawn to the hot mess meltdowns of the contestants, much as Nascar viewers are drawn to the 10 car pile ups, or the car hitting the wall and rolling over a dozen times.

    To hold it against Carly Rose that she is only 13 is silly. These shows are singing contests for the most part, and there have been very few singers on these shows the last couple years who can actually sing as well as Carly. Will she buckle under the pressure because she is only 13? I doubt it. Will she cry if and when she is eliminated? Absolutely. Will she cry if she wins? Absolutely. Will Vino or Emblem 3 or Tate cry if they win? Absolutely. Crying is almost as important to these shows as singing is LOL, that is why we keep watching :)

  • girlygirltoo

    None of the Idols who finish in the Top 10 make that sort of $, so why should the XF finalists?

    $5 million is a ridiculous amount of money to give to someone who has proven nothing. XF should eliminate this prize next season — just make it so the winner gets a recording contract with a reasonable advance of, say $200,000 (which would be similar to what the Idol winner gets).

  • girlygirltoo

    There’s a big difference between shedding a few tears of joy (or disappointment) and having a total meltdown. There is no way to know definitively who might rack, but if the producers and coaches see someone — like Rachel or Beatrice — showing signs of doing so, they should try to find a way to try and prevent it, rather than use it for ratings (which, I cynically believe is sometimes the case)

  • Valentin432

    Just watched this,
    The meltdowns on this show are just horrible to watch, at least on AI they have some psych exams done, it doesn’t seem to be the case for X Factor. Between Drew, Rachel and now Beatrice, it’s just too much.

    You could see Beatrice being near emmotional breakdown for weeks now, this was a logical conclusion, people on the show should have expected that.
    The good news is Diamond and Carly Rose seem much more grounded with good family support.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Beth-Bowers/1357962780 Beth Bowers

    Note to Britney’s doctors – her medication level needs to be adjusted.

  • Kitwana

    Girlygirltoo: It always surprised me how little the American Idol Top 10 made, even at the height of the show. Giving one or two hundred thousand dollars to the Top 10 is really not a lot of money for a Top 10 show. It’s cheapness and greed by the producers and the network. $100,000 would be nothing to Simon Cowell but it could feed, clothe and house Beatrice and her family for years. Just give these desperate people some money and I’m pretty sure you can avoid some of these meltdowns. Or if the show does not want to shell out the money, give viewers the option of donating cash directly to the ousted contestant like they would donate to a charity or victims of a natural disaster. Or give the contestants the opportunity to set up something like an Amazon.com wishlist and give viewers the option to send canned goods, clothing and household items that the contestants need or to pay their rent or utility.

  • Incipit

    The producers have one goal: MONEY. If Beatrice, Cece, Paige and Jillian have to shed a few tears for the producers to make more money, guess what, there are going to be tears shed.

    thedeviledadvocate, I’ll swear on a stack of whatevers that Cowell went on record a few years ago, (I think I read it on TWoP) saying Idol should NOT drop their minimum age requirements below where they were, and why – but he was an employee then, not the owner of the show – so now it’s ok to have 13 yr olds on XFUS? I think XFUK doesn’t even go that low.

    During Cowel’s tenure on Idol, he would often give the younger contestants a hard time, saying they sang songs too old for them – now, as producer, look at the ‘mature’ songs HE hands out. The capper had to have been when he handed “Billie Jean” to Drew.

    The man is a glorified Used Car Salesman! And icky, too (technical term). IMO.

  • Levis501PW

    I think the reason why Simon Cowell decided to reveal the ranking stuff is to make people vote for Emblem 3 more.  They ranked low during the first week.  But his plan backfires.  You can’t force people to vote for jackasses.

  • Levis501PW

    I think the reason why Simon Cowell decided to reveal the ranking stuff is to make people vote for Emblem 3 more.  They ranked low during the first week.  But his plan backfires.  You can’t force people to vote for jackasses.

  • Levis501PW

     After the public meltdown back in 2005, Britney has become a robot.  She is so robotic on the show, and it scares me.  :(

  • wordnerdarchie

    If she is bi-polar (which usually appears in early 20s), as some reports have said, then she’s probably on a combination of several different drugs such as an anti-anxiety drug, an anti-depressant drug, others to bring her back down when she’s too manic, and ones such as lithium or zyprexa to treat the illness itself.  It’s very difficult to find the right combination that will allow her to function normally and have independent thinking but still keep her symptoms under control.  It’s been my experience with people with this disorder, that it’s difficult to think for yourself when you’re on those kinds of medication, so I would think that most of her responses are scripted as much as possible.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    The only problem with 13 years olds (and to the producers this is a positive not a negative) is that the audience feels even more emotion when a 13 year old cries than it does when a 23 year old cries. 

    Well, except that the audience’s emotion seems to be largely disgust and dismay about how the show sets up these situations. I suppose one could argue that the fundamental appeal of the show is that it’s “Idol For The VFTW Crowd” — all train wrecks and schadenfreude, all the time — so I think I’m relieved that XFUSA isn’t blowing away the competition in the ratings. 

  • Jaejae1

    The only remaining contestants whose music I would possibly purchase is Emblem3.  Paige is  a possibility.  I think she is so commercial its crazy and her voice is good enough for them to work with.  i actually like Paige a LOT more than CeCe in all areas, including vocals. I like Tate and vote for him and think he does his thing well but he is really true country( like Scotty) and I won’t buy his music. 

  • dabney c

    He cried all over Luke Menard.

    Just catching up on the thread, and so sorry to veer off topic for a minute, but … wow, Luke Menard! I haven’t thought of that name in what seems like 30 years. Last I remember, he was diagnosed with some kind of cancer – Hodgkins? Has anyone followed him since then?

  • wordnerdarchie

    He recovered from his cancer (rumor was that DC helped him out financially, as did others).  He’s still singing – had/has performances in Branson, MO.  Here he is, on the left.
    http://piercearrowtheater.com/

  • Incipit

     Luke Menard! I haven’t thought of that name in what seems like 30 years. Last I remember, he was diagnosed with some kind of cancer – Hodgkins? Has anyone followed him since then?

    *Segue* – Yes, dabney C, Luke was diagnosed with Hodgkins lymphoma, shortly after being eliminated from Idol in Season 7. A part of “The Four Horsemen” from the beginning, with David C, Michael Johns, and Jason Yaeger, Luke had a lot of support from his friends and their fans during treatment.

    He’s cancer-free now, and still playing gigs, had a single on iTunes in 2010. He and his wife had a baby girl in December of 2011, they named her Hope.

  • thedeviledadvocate

    I think you are right about the Simon of the past. I remember him being very critical of the young hopefuls. Like you said, he would constantly say the song they sang was too old for them, and he would also be very critical of their clothing and makeup. Of course, he was a judge then and perhaps even believed he was giving them constructive criticism. To be honest, he was usually correct with the bad news he was giving, the problem then as it remains to be now, is not so much his criticism, but the way in which he delivers said criticism.

    It seems Simon has changed his stance on teens, at least a little, or at least to try to get more drama on his show LOL. I like the technical word you used in describing the used carsalesmanesque Simon…. ICKY (that made me chuckle). I still like Simon, even though I think he is full of it nowadays. I suppose after 10 years of playing televised games of bullship, he may think he can do no wrong. The ratings may tell a different story though.

  • thedeviledadvocate

    Personally, I do not get pleasure from seeing the misfortune of others, although I have to admit, I have laughed at the misfortune of Xfactor for employing the Simon lap ornament disguised as the hostess with the mostess.

    I do believe a 13 year old can make it in the music business, and I hope Carly wins. I had the good fortune of seeing Leann Rimes perform at age 14. She owned the crowd. Tanya Tucker released Delta Dawn at age 13, and has had a long and successful career. Jackie Evancho is unbelievable, but she isn’t 13 years old, yet. Charlotte Church also started quite young. And who would of thought a 13 year old could release a song named “fingertips” and have it become a number one single, luckily for Stevie Wonder, that is exactly what happened. Donnie Osmond and Michael Jackson kinda, sorta had a bit of success as young teens.

    My point is simply that some kids have what it takes. Some kids don’t. Could the show be more sensitive towards these kids? Yes. Will they? Cynically speaking, I think the answer to that question lies in the ratings.

  • dabney c

    Thanks for the info, wordnerarchie and Incipit. OMG, “The Four Horsemen” – another thing that seems like a million years ago. Lovely to hear that Luke got support from Cook and others (plus the fans). I’m glad it all ended well.

    Hijack over. Back to the evil ways of XF!  }:-E

  • yclept

     Carly has a decent chance to win this show – she has the talent, and is the type of contestant that all age groups, genders, etc. will vote for.  Whether or not she can do anything beyond the show, nobody knows that. No use even speculating on that, really.

    I liked Beatrice – I think with the right type of coaching, she has a sound that can very easily stand out.  Problem is, she is now nothing more than a 9th place finisher on a not-so-good singing competition show.  She will probably need to at least go in hiding for a little while and develop her sound better and mature as an artist.     She has a good, unique look to her that could have her auditioning for some future Disney show, which may not be a bad path for her to get started.  

  • dabney c

    In 2 years she can audition for Idol. :D

  • Maya100

    Exploiting contestants is what the producers do, regardless of their age.

    But it’s so much worse for kids.  At 13, those kids are being trained to expect phony applause, OTT excitement about their work and insane cheering no matter how they perform.  Their self-worth is being propped up by a false, contrived atmosphere.  

    All the while, they’re pushing their voices to places they shouldn’t be at their ages, possibly creating a foundation for early vocal failure.  And the more they’re performing, the less they’re exploring and learning about life, which is what they’ll need as they get older in that business.

    And they don’t have enough experience possibly to understand what they’ve signed up for.  At least the older contestants should understand better, and if they don’t, it’s on them not others making the decisions.

  • thedeviledadvocate

    Children who perform in school plays, Christmas programs, and peewee sports get tons of phony applause and OTT excitement about how they performed, all the while pushing themselves to do more than they probably should be at their age. I have witnessed a few meltdowns at the jr high and high school talent shows. Poor kids, practice all year, then the big day comes and some of them fall apart.

    I totally agree with you that a 13 year old would not have enough experience to possibly understand what they are signing up for. That is why we have child labor laws. The under 18’s on these shows have either parents or guardians. They are supposed to be looking out for these kids. The adults have to sign the papers to allow their kids to be exploited or is it a chance for their kids to follow their dream? Xfactor is giving a 5 million dollar contract. My brother would not allow his kids to go on this show. He thinks fame and fortune is overrated. If one of my children had the talent to make the top 12 on one of these shows, I would have a long, long talk with them about both the possible upsides, and downsides. If they wanted to proceed, I would allow them to follow their dreams.

  • ohreli

    Chloe sounds like she ate too much and has gastrointestinal reflux, which basically causes stomach acid to regurgitate up the esophagus….its hard to speak at the same time this unpleasantness is going on….