David Cook To Release Next Album Early Next Year?


It hasn’t been confirmed officially, but when the folks at B98.5 in Little Rock AR posted the latest teaser for David Cook’s upcoming Matt Serletic produced album,  they also posted this interesting tidbit:

“A rep from David’s record company has told us that Cook’s new album will likely be released early next year.”

In an interview from his recent Busch Garden’s concert, David was asked his plans for next year. David replied, “New Record, New Tour, New People, New Places.”

David has been busy writing with the likes of Raine Maida, Ryan Tedder, Claude Kelly, Brian Howes and his fellow band members, just to name a few collaborators.  He recently tweeted that he watched a  children’s choir “cut some stuff” for his record.  Intriguing!  So is that teaser previewing the new album.

Fans were hoping for a fall release, but Winter/early Spring would be the next best thing.  Are you excited for the new David Cook album?

  • pattycake

    Well crap! I was hoping my Christmas stocking would have a new CD, but it looks like another stocking full of coal this year. January is not a good time to release new music and it they wait until Spring that will be nearly 3 years between records. That sucks!

  • Truthiness

    Well, hell.

    sigh. Guess I’ll just have to wait then. Not patiently of course, but wait nonetheless.

  • Jx223

    I hope things end up working out well for David Cook 2nd album. He is one of my favorites idols ever, and my fave from season 7.

    Though I’m not sure how releasing his 2nd album early next year will work out for him. I hope a lot of his fanbase is still around. I think that he could still have a lot of fans around who will buy his album when it comes out.

  • ri

    this just means it’s gonna be REALLY good.

  • Trina

    Not a shock really. There hasnt been one single sign that it was coming out this year unless RCA planned on throwing it out with zero buildup. Its pretty beyond stupid. This amount of time between records would have been ok for someone that had good continuous airplay, but hes been off the radar far too long.

  • sma11ie

    I’ll restate what I said in the Headlines thread– at this point, an early March release is probably his best bet, but… but… what the FUCK will I do with myself until then?! LOL. I hope David schedules some more shows or random appearances for the next 6 months or so or this fan is seriously going to shrivel up and die from David Cook deprivation. Haha…

  • tinawina

    I hope David schedules some more shows or random appearances for the next 6 months or so or this fan is seriously going to shrivel up and die from David Cook deprivation. Haha…

    I bet he will pop up in a few random places over Christmas. It makes sense. But in true WTF!Cook fashion, they will be in some oddball capacity no one saw coming. :D

  • Mtlfan

    i prefer that he takes his time and release a damn good album! Bring it on cookie :)

  • lisa88

    As ready as I am for some new David music, I’m glad they’re taking their time. The sophomore album is so important in an artist’s career! Hopefully they’ll put out a single a few months before the album drops to tide us over!

  • ohnonotagain

    WTF this sucks, will he lose fans over this except for the hard core ? I just don’t get it and Archie is all over the place.

  • Jolene

    Well OK. I’ll be sure to check back next year. (;

    ETA – Those who follow Cook now, when he’s been “off the radar” for a while, will still be here next year. Those who don’t, won’t.
    At this point it’s obvious he’ll need to work hard to reach beyond the fanbase, but that’s already true for now, waiting another few months won’t change much.

  • AIaddict

    Yeah, Archie is everywhere we turn and that’s great for him but why is Cookie not out there more. I’ll be patient and hang in there as long as it takes but it better be one heck of an album.

  • summertime blues

    Oh No!! Matt Serletic produced Taylor Hicks post-Idol cd!!

  • Curlin

    OMG I am really getting tired of waiting! They better have him on Idol to promote this album! Well, at least I can look forward to seeing him on tv this weekend! :)

    ETA: JOLENE, I thought you dropped off the face of the earth. LOL I used to love reading your comments!

  • Joyed

    Jolene:
    09/10/2010 at 11:07 am

    Well OK. I’ll be sure to check back next year. (;

    Haha, that is so funny. I used to read your posts and I wondered if you were still reading and what you made of the news, lol :)

    I personally view releasing in the next year as a marketing decision, not as one having to deal with the actual musical product Cook has produced.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I don’t think it matters when he releases in terms of keeping fans. If people like the music they’ll buy it. I always get a laugh when people post things like, “Oh, Cook, I forgot about him” because my first thought is, well you were just able to remember him and can do so again when he has something to sell ;)

  • aifan08

    summertime blues, Yes he worked with Hicks. He also produced Carlos Santana (“Smooth”), Aerosmith (“I Don’t Want To Miss a Thing”), Rob Thomas (“Lonely No More”), Matchbox Twenty (“Push”, “3am”, “Unwell”), and many others. To date, Serletic’s productions have sold over 100 million albums. I believe he was also the producer for Ryan Star’s 11:59 album.

  • sma11ie

    What was that quote that David lives by? Something like, “If you can’t do anything about it, laugh like hell.”

    In that spirit, a funny list from Cook fans with a decent sense of humor I found from trolling twitter:

    Top 42 Reasons DCTR2 Won’t Be Out Until Next Year: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/5vger5

    Some of my faves- lots of inside/twitter jokes though (I really like Archucookie’s!):

    Needs more cowbell (Kyoat)
    My dog ate the demos (Archucookie)
    Tiemann lost his quarter (Kyoat)
    Andy ran with scissors (QTTaquito)
    Montygottheshits (Archucookie)
    Major Fo-Co-Paj (QTTaquito)
    It takes a long time to piss off and please everyone. (Kyoat)
    The guys refuse to wear Bieber dos for the album cover.(Archucookie)
    Still waiting for DCO to get back on-line with DCTR2 “site upgrades” (QTTaquito)
    Andy found out the Steinway is actually only 99 yrs old so we need to age it for another year. (imogenPH)
    Ran out of budget — Neal playin with fire got too expensive. (imogenPH)
    Recording got in the way of tweeting er I mean tweeting got in the way of recording. (imogenPH)

    Oh, and I totally agree with this:

    I always get a laugh when people post things like, “Oh, Cook, I forgot about him” because my first thought is, well you were just able to remember him and can do so again when he has something to sell

  • Sydia

    A Valentine Day release would create a great 1st week sales. If they’re gonna wait till spring then an Easter release. Sales are usually up on those holidays. Isn’t as good as Christmas but…as long as we get something with a strong push from the label will be good.

  • tinawina

    Jolene! **hugs**

    I agree the gap doesn’t help things, but a smart publicity/promo campaign can help that. Let’s see what 19M/RCA has up their sleeve when the time comes.

    A hot song is really the best thing he can have, honestly. Go write yourself a killer lead single, Dave!

    Yeah, Archie is everywhere we turn and that’s great for him but why is Cookie not out there more.

    Archie is everywhere because he has an album coming out very soon to promote. DC not so much.

  • k4dc

    GRRRRRRRRRRRR. You’re killing me, Cook! I’ve gone from expecting a late spring, to an early summer, to a late summer, to a late fall, and now to a late winter/early spring release???
    I was REALLY hoping for a mid-November release. Never underestimate the power of the stocking stuffer. The only upside to this is that he’ll be able to promote it on AI next year.
    This better be a DARN good album, after all this buildup. That’s all I’m sayin’.

  • summertime blues

    Well, let’s hope he does a better job with Cook than he did with Hicks. It’s pretty obvious Serletic it more into the soft rock stuff. Just hope Cookie stays away from fluff. I would hate to see him take that path.

  • Curlin

    Sma11ie, thanks for posting that link. Those “reasons” are hilarious! LMAO

  • Kitwana

    A Valentine Day release is a great idea. I think that David would want to avoid a release after March so as to avoid the “Adam Storm” when Adam releases his follow-up album next Spring. I’m pretty sure that RCA/19M will be giving that album its full attention.

  • Jolene

    Hi all! *hugs back*
    LOL yeah, I’m still around, I still love Cook and I can’t wait to hear some new music from him. I pop in every once in a while to check if we’re approaching the 2nd album era yet. I believe most fans will be back when there’s something worthwhile to come back for.

    The casual fans who forgot about Cook will remember him once they hear his new song on the radio or see him perform on TV, so as long as his label gets him a decent amount of promo, it really doesn’t matter how long he’s been gone.

  • tinawina

    I’m not so much worried about fans forgetting him as I am about industry types being dismissive. So getting a little industry buzz going will be helpful, I think.

    I love marketing and numbers, so watching how they handle this will be fun providing there’s something to watch. LOL

  • 123abc456

    I really wanted his album out this year but it is what it is and I will buy it regardless of when it is out. I know I will not be disappointed I loved Paper Heart from Busch Gardens and David has never disappointed me. I love his early Axium stuff, Analog Heart and DCTR. So I am beyond excited about this new album. David is an artist that I always like what he comes up with. Keith Urban is another.

    As far as Q1 it is a tough quarter to release an album. It just is for everybody. So David will have to work hard for this album. I agree with what was said on this site a few weeks back. I think Lee got the November slot and they pushed David back because they did not want them compared or competing against each other. It is a shame because I think David would have done fine.

  • progression

    Well that blows doesn’t it? Hate seeing Dave miss the holiday sales. *insert your choice of expletive here* Hang in there Dave.

    Love that list you brought over smallie. Hee.

  • bridgette12

    tinawina:
    09/10/2010 at 11:42 am
    I’m not so much worried about fans forgetting him as I am about industry types being dismissive. So getting a little industry buzz going will be helpful, I think.

    Your right, he does need a industry buzz going to help give the album some press. It’s looking like there will be only three Idols with new albums coming out this Spring, Kat, Cook and Adam. Hopefully all three will get a chance to perform on Season 10 of Idol.

  • SharB

    I was thinking about the album release date this morning. I’ve watched the “tease” video multiple times and really thought something would be happening soon. But when he said he was still writing, I thought oh no it’s going to be longer before it comes out. Needless to say, I’ll pre-order it as soon as it is announced just like I did for DCTR. I know it’s going to be wonderful and I know he’s not going to disappoint us. I’ll be patient and anxiously wait.

    TPTB better promote the hell out of it. Nothing like the first time.

  • sma11ie

    It’s looking like there will be only three Idols with new albums coming out this Spring, Kat, Cook and Adam.

    Kat’s coming out with another album in the Spring? I only know about the Christmas album. How will she churn out another one so quickly? Her label must be really frugal… not sure how they’re making money on her low sales…

    Is Adam’s new album slated for Spring? That sounds awfully quick to me. I’m guessing it’ll be pushed out to Summer– I envision him debuting the lead single near the end of Season 10. I think Kelly’s album will come out early Spring. She’s been pushed back as well, so all we know so far is early 2011, much like David. I wonder if they’ll drop around the same time… I hope not…

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    Is Adam’s new album slated for Spring? That sounds awfully quick to me. I’m guessing it’ll be pushed out to Summer– I envision him debuting the lead single near the end of Season 10.

    Adam has said that he met with RCA when he was in NY for the Nokia concerts and they want a spring release for his second album. It’s rumored he’s going to be working with Max Martin when he’s in Sweden. I think it will probably be late spring/early summer, but a single could come out in the spring. We’ll see.

  • tinawina

    I think Cookie would be looking at a single release in January or so and an album drop in March (or a single drop in October or so or an album drop in January/Feb) so I don’t think he and Adam would even remotely be on the same schedule. The soonest I’d expect a lead single from Adam would be the spring.

    Kelly would be the one who might be on the same sched as DC.

    Anyway, since RCA has more than Idols signed (surprising, I know lol) do we know who else is up for a Q1/Q2 release?

  • wellhesback

    MJ asked “Are you excited for the new David Cook album?” My answer – Hell, Yeah!! can’t wait. Hope it will be super succeessful for Cookie and the great musicians in his fine band. Don’t know why it’s taking so long, but I want to see and hear lots of David Cook and the Anthemic once it gets here!!

  • bridgette12

    Is Adam’s new album slated for Spring? That sounds awfully quick to me. I’m guessing it’ll be pushed out to Summer– I envision him debuting the lead single near the end of Season 10.

    Adam has said that he met with RCA when he was in NY for the Nokia concerts and they want a spring release for his second album. It’s rumored he’s going to be working with Max Martin when he’s in Sweden. I think it will probably be late spring/early summer, but a single could come out in the spring. We’ll see.

    I just saw a list of the artist releasing this fall and I think it’s a good idea that Kelly, David and Adam are waiting till Spring. It will be a less crowded field, but they will have to avoid releasing around the same time as Gaga. As for Adam, I expect a May release in preparation for the Summer Tour. I think it’s something he can do especially if he has December to do the prep work and find good song. If he can get people like RedOne, Dr. Luke, Max Martin and Tedder to contribute, he can make a late Spring deadline. The people he worked with last year seem to like him and his vocals, so maybe they have been asked ahead of time to prepare something for him.

  • BootStar

    A rep from David’s record company has told us that Cook’s new album will likely be released early next year.

    That’s about as vague an estimate as one could give, isn’t it? I usually read that kind of thing to mean they have no official date in place and the only thing they CAN guarantee is that it won’t be out any earlier than that.

    Well, no matter what, one has to figure he’ll have a single out in time to promote on the next season of ‘Idol’, no?

  • standtotheright

    do we know who else is up for a Q1/Q2 release?

    Oh, just a quarter of their roster. No big. [facepalm]

  • renataamelo

    He better be putting a kick ass album together! To compesate my waiting! :)

  • oceana

    I’m disappointed. He said at one point that he would have a single last spring, a cd in summer, and now it’s going to be early next year. I remember going through this with other Idols. It’s probably because we know too much. Most artists I don’t think about until new music surfaces.

    People will remember him whenever the cd drops and the promotion starts. A few more months won’t hurt him, I don’t think, it only hurts fans like me who are anxiously awaiting new music. :)

    I’m glad I don’t think about this every day but only when there’s something new at mj’s. I can’t stand the suspense otherwise. I’m sure it’s going to be a good cd and can’t wait – no, I will wait, have no choice. :)

    Ironically, we thought he would sing his new single on Idol last year, now maybe he will sing it next year instead :) At least it will be a good place to reach a zillion people at one swoop.

  • tinawina

    Oh, just a quarter of their roster. No big. [facepalm]

    Oh damn, damn, damn! LOL

  • BootStar

    Oh, just a quarter of their roster. No big. [facepalm]

    Expect a Cook album release in Q3 then.

  • Zastine4974

    Didn’t Daughtry’s last album debut in the spring (or am I mistaken)?

    He seems to be doing okay with a spring release.

    As to Lambert releasing another one in the spring, highly unlikely that it will be before May-June unless they already have all the music picked out for him. He is on tour overseas until the end of the year and if he is supposedly writing more (as he says he is) when will he have the time to write, record, etc. and get another one out.

    Personally, I can’t wait for Cook’s album. It will be fantastic as he has had the time to really be involved in its production. Idol fans tend to think that artistry can be rushed, but the first albums by all of the idols is proof that taking time is not such a bad thing. As long a Cook makes the album he wants, I’ll wait. Just hope TPTB give him the attention he has earned and deserves.

  • fadetowhite

    Yep – I’m excited about the new Cook album. And, if this is true then I’m just happy to have some idea about when it will be released.

    As for how successful it will be – there’s just no point in speculating. There’s no way of knowing, until we know a) how good it is, b) how much RCA is willing to push it (they have actually been giving a few signs of still being there behind him recently) and c) (most unpredictable of all) how his sound hits the market at that time: will the stars align kind of thing.

    However, so far as current fans are concerned. If they are on the net at the moment, they will definitely be there. As for the casual fan/those who bought the album last time: it depends on two things. Did they like DCTR1 – if they did, then they will buy DCTR2, so long as they are aware of its release. If they didn’t like DCTR2, then it depends on whether a) they are prepared to give the man another chance or b) whether there’s a good single to draw them back in.

    For complete non-fans/those who are unaware the second b)follows too.

    So, I can’t see the point in sales angst. His album numbers are likely to be lower than last time for any number of reasons.

    It will be interesting to see how it goes and – in any case – I get a new album and I will be extremely interested to see how they develop the sound this time around. Subtle links to hints we’ve seen about the unreleased pre-idol album and other snippets really do make me think that they’ve been given quite a bit of artistic license in the studio and that definitely gets me excited!

  • sma11ie

    do we know who else is up for a Q1/Q2 release?

    Oh, just a quarter of their roster. No big. [facepalm]

    Expect a Cook album release in Q3 then.

    So by that logic, Cook’s album will keep getting pushed back as bigger names on RCA’s roster inevitably fills up each quarter? At that rate, we’ll NEVER get a Cook album, lol.

    Didn’t Daughtry’s last album debut in the spring (or am I mistaken)?

    I thought Daughtry’s last album debuted in the summer. Single dropped late April, and album… I wanna say June? Anyways, Daughtry’s different cuz even though he took well over 2 years, he also had a gazillion singles still playing on radio the whole time he was supposedly “away” from the limelight. David, not so much. I think Brian’s airplay stats have him at a couple thousand spins a week between TOML, LO, and CBTM, probably most of which are AC spins. Anyways, whatevs. It’ll be fine. Sales, schmells, marketing, schmarketing. I’m just eager to hear new music soon, that’s all.

  • http://twitter.com/kenostroff negativo

    I’m afraid DC is wasting his greatest years of creative talent with production/studio delays. It would be a real shame if he doesn’t become as prolific of an artist as we all had hoped after his brilliant run on AI.

  • karenc

    Personally, I can’t wait for Cook’s album. It will be fantastic as he has had the time to really be involved in its production. Idol fans tend to think that artistry can be rushed, but the first albums by all of the idols is proof that taking time is not such a bad thing. As long a Cook makes the album he wants, I’ll wait. Just hope TPTB give him the attention he has earned and deserves.

    I agree. I think RCA is already giving him the promotion, because they put him on their main page and put a link to his vlog on their page. I think it will be promoted and released when the time is right, and I’m hoping it will do well.

    Whatever is going on, from everything I have read, David seems happy with the way the cd is going, and that others involved seem very impressesed with him. And after hearing the music that was on the vlog and Paper Heart from BG, I think they are going in a good direction.

  • s3rious

    I will wait patiently for David Cook’s next single/s and album and buy them immediately when they become available. :)

    I have faith in David, he is Platinum-selling ( singles & album )David Cook after all. :D

  • girlygirl

    To whoever wondered about when Daughtry’s last album was released…

    According to wikipedia, Daughtry’s last album (Leave This Town) dropped on July 14, 2009. The lead single off that album (No Surprise) was released to iTunes on May 5, 2009

  • springboard

    With a radio friendly single, a solid album and a AI launch, he will be fine. I am hoping that his second album will be good.

  • luly

    In terms of losing fans, I agree that it probably won’t make much of a difference to wait a couple more months. The possible disadvantage of releasing in the beginning of next year is that album sales are down overall in that period
    I hope that whenever this album will be finally released it will get good promotion and have good material. I hope it will do well.

  • springboard

    His single could drop before the end of the year if the album is released beginning 2011.

  • blissful

    Sigh..another delay. What bums me out is reading that the Kings of Leon took six weeks to record their upcoming album (I’m loving their new single). I’m afraid the extra time will mean another overproduced album. Sometimes continual delays means they are not satisfied with their material (whether its from the band or the studio…who knows) — sort of like movies that screen badly. I’m just making some assumptions — I haven’t a clue.

    I hope whatever they come up with, RCA will be committed to promoting it. The material is going to be the main force for its success, because the AI momentum, radio presence, and public awareness have diminished.

  • justic

    Sep. 12 2010 and david cook is singing some traditional crap on a tennis match that probably won’t even air.
    at the same time the eyes of the MUSIC industry will be focused on some esoteric traditional music event nobody heard of, the VMA’s.
    in 2008 RCA/19 recieved a man that broke historic billboard records in their hands and 2 years later this is where we’re at. UN-FREAKING-BELIEVABLE!

  • wellhesback

    well, I was starting to feel better until I read justic’s post. Goddam, I want RCA to get behind the incredibly talented Mr. Cook.

  • standtotheright

    at the same time the eyes of the MUSIC industry will be focused on some esoteric traditional music event nobody heard of, the VMA’s.

    At which not a single RCA artist is performing, including Kings of Leon, who actually have an album dropping in a month.

    (To be fair, Ke$ha is presenting. And I will consider it a triumph if she doesn’t trip on her own heels.)

  • sunchick

    Ohm. I kind of purged my angst about the delay with the last discussion we had here, and it is what it is. I hope they have mad promo in mind. [/understatement] Still weird that there’s no definite timetable, but I dunno, maybe the timetable works differently for artists who write all their own material versus artists who have some tuneage from outside sources submitted for consideration and picked out for them ahead of time. In any case, I’m excited to hear what the boys have been up to in between the poolside exercises and twittering, and will be excited still whenever it drops.

    It would be a real shame if he doesn’t become as prolific of an artist as we all had hoped after his brilliant run on AI.

    Heh, oh you have no idea. I know what you’re getting at, but the word prolific made me chuckle given the enormity of Cookie’s back catalogue that’s already out there, plus the second pre-AI solo album that’s locked away in some dark place. I think he could never write another song and still technically be one of the most prolific songwriters to ever come out of AI, if not the most successful. When did the first Axium album drop? Anyone remember? Early 2000s, maybe? Since then I think he put out a steady diet original material. Even now after a solid year of songwriting sessions he can’t help but keep writing during his downtime, bless his heart.

  • tinawina

    well, I was starting to feel better until I read justic’s post.

    LOL! Well, if it helps, peruse the lineup:

    http://www.mtv.com/ontv/vma/2010/about.jhtml

    There are only 3 rock acts involved in any way, and they are all performing. Paramore (lead singer involved in a HUGE pop hit, association with Twilight movies) Florence + the Machine (cool alternative band of the moment, music featured in almost every teen oriented show such as Gossip Girl) and Linkin Park (album dropping next week). None of the huge rock oriented acts dropping later in the fall will be there, and certainly none of the HAC leaning ones.

    The VMAs is usually about what is smoking hot in that very moment on pop radio and in teen pop culture.

    Even if DC was not recording right now, he would be highly unlikely to be involved with the VMAs. Even if his first album had spawned huge pop hits, he’d still be highly unlikely to be there. You go to the VMAs if you were on fire during the previous summer, or if you have a show on MTV.

  • wellhesback

    tinawina – you’re another voice of reason in my morass of angst. think I’ll go reread that great fan list of reasons why the album is delayed (needs more cowbell!) to cheer up .

  • GreenHippo

    this bummed me into depression….. :(
    Who can stand it, not me —– AAAAHHHHHHHH
    I also need to go read that list again :

    I’ll go reread that great fan list of reasons why the album is delayed (needs more cowbell!) to cheer up .

  • http://twitter.com/kenostroff negativo

    I think he could never write another song and still technically be one of the most prolific songwriters to ever come out of AI.

    Actually, you do make an interesting point…maybe his legacy will be more noted for songwriting than performing or record sales. Time will tell…

  • tierbee

    Um, well, I guess I’ll just recite to myself my “Will not angst! Will not angst!” mantra until I believe it – but really, not surprised to not get an album this fall. Everything has been just awfully vague. And there probably is *some* consideration about not dropping the same time as Lee. Who knows. I would never, ever presume to understand RCA (shakes fist).

  • k4dc

    Ah, it just wouldn’t be the Cookie fandom without a ton of angst, would it?
    Good thing I have my Muse addiction to keep me occupied in the meantime…

  • sma11ie

    I think he could never write another song and still technically be one of the most prolific songwriters to ever come out of AI.

    It’s kind of ridiculous, but I wouldn’t be surprised if David’s written upwards of 70 songs JUST for consideration for this album. We know from Cherry Lane and that Frankie Negron song that he wrote a bunch for the last album that never saw the light of day. Prolific is right.

  • blissful

    I think Michael Sarver has the lock on the most prolific songwriter from AI. Wasn’t his out put around a 1000? Who knows is quantity if the same as quality?

    I’m sure it bothers David more that the album is delayed — the dude is use to putting an album every year. I’m sure he’s doing all he can to make it work.

  • progression

    And there probably is *some* consideration about not dropping the same time as Lee.

    But they’ve known that Lee would be releasing in the fall for months, so if that were the case a fall release for DCTR2 would have never been on the table to start with. I think it just took longer than they (Dave) planned on to get to the point where everyone agreed on the tracks (singles) and now its gotten too late to rush something out by November and still put together a good marketing effort for it, so it’s been rescheduled and the studio work has slowed acordingly since there is now no need to rush That’s not that unusual in the major label record business I don’t think? Frustrating as all hell from a fan perspective though. And for Dave most likely.

  • tierbee

    Ah, it just wouldn’t be the Cookie fandom without a ton of angst, would it?

    I think I would be *really* worried if there was no angst. Oh no! Where did everyone go? Why aren’t they fretting? Don’t they care?!

    LOL. Aww, *group hug* to Cookie fans. I’m trying very hard to be patient, I really am. It’s a compliment to David how badly I want new music!

  • sma11ie

    I’m sure it bothers David more that the album is delayed — the dude is use to putting an album every year.

    He mentioned in an interview that he was used to hitting the studio with the band and banging out a record in 2 weeks, and had to get accustomed to this new drawn out process, higher production values, etc. Must be frustrating to get used to– a lot of “hurry up and wait”, he’s said.

  • Incipit

    the dude is use to putting an album every year.

    You folks made me curious, so I went to take a look, at how many David written songs have already been out on records. Instead of finding the number, which I believed was near 100 at this point – and who knows how many in the Sarver category, written but not yet recorded – for DCTR and DCTR2, I found someone had made a David Cook Discography - starting from the time he was 15 yrs old to the present.

    OK – Writing credit on approximately 94 songs…from the 2001 Demos – through all the independent albums, and DCTR, and one/offs – to the present. The person has even included youtube links for all the recorded ones we have access to. Which are a lot! (68 + one more, if one was quick enough. ;) ) Pretty amazing, and makes the Prolific Point very well.

    So, I’m still waiting with the rest of you, dusting my Money on the Table from time to time -and watching for Cookie Crumbs. There’s no question it will be worth the wait.

  • tierbee

    The person has even included youtube links for all the recorded ones we have access to. Which are a lot! (68 + one more, if one was quick enough. )

    Oh nooooo, how can I avoid the rabbit hole knowing THAT link is there? Must save for later, must go outside…

  • Keel

    I think the delay started with the producer. It took Cook quite a long time to even announce who the producer would be, so that tells me that something just didn’t come together with their first choice (e.g., person got delayed on another project or they just didn’t get the person who was #1 on their list to sign on). This delay inevitably led to their not even getting to pre-production on the album until late May/early June (IIRC). So, really it’s only been approx. 2-1/2 months in the studio for the guys. And then, based on tweets I’ve seen as well as general coverage of Santana’s upcoming album, it seems that Serletic has not been able to devote 100% of his time to David’s album as he’s been busy with Santana’s album (and who knows who else’s). Based on tweets from David and the band, it seems that they had a few weeks of intense work on the album in June until mid July and then many weeks off here and there, as Serletic was working on other projects and David, of couse, had the two consecutive nights headlining at Busch Gardens. I think that for all of August, DC and the gang got probably no more than a solid week in the studio with Serletic. I also know that there were tweets of people seeing Serletic traveling — i.e., not in L.A. so that makes sense.

    Anyway, hopefully with Santana’s album out of the way (it’s releasing later this month), Serletic can devote all of his energies on D Cook’s album.

    ETA: Oh. Serletic is also producing Joe Cocker’s newest album — which is scheduled for release in October. Geez.

  • wordnerdarchie

    I think Michael Sarver has the lock on the most prolific songwriter from AI. Wasn’t his out put around a 1000? Who knows is quantity if the same as quality?

    But how many of those songs have actually been on a recording, that you can buy/download/put on your i-pod? I have no idea. But I do know which ones of Cook’s have been. Note that some in the list were written for DCTR but didn’t make the record.

    Here’s Cook’s discography: David Cook

    Then there are the songs in contention for DCTR2: Possible DCTR2 Song candidates

  • sma11ie

    Super cool list of the David Cook discography! Thanks, wordnerdarchie!

  • progression

    Good points on the producer issue Keel. This has gone on so long now I’d forgotten about the delay in getting a producer lined up.

  • blissful

    But how many of those songs have actually been on a recording, that you can buy/download/put on your i-pod?

    Good point. I don’t even know if they’re even registered with publishing company. It could be on a steno pad for I know. My kids have 50 songs written about their hamster.

    I agree, the producer choice probably delayed the start of this along with the other RCA releases this fall. I’m sure labels have had staff cutbacks like everyone else.

  • Incipit

    the delay in getting a producer lined up.

    First time I saw it mentioned was when Shirley Halperin talked to David at Fuller’s If I Can Dream House – that was @ March 19th.

    The Crumbs were –
    No producer yet – meetings next week
    Wrote w/SVZ – (just as we suspected from the Brill Building pics)
    Still plans to write w/Zac Maloy

    It was almost two months, and many writing sessions later, that Matt Serletic was announced in the KC Golf Video at the Shadow Buddies Tournament, on May 25th, I think? The plan was to get in the Studio in June – They started Pre-production on June 11th, 3 months ago – and seemed to have stayed on schedule since then.

    How much time do the Idols have, during and after coming off their tour – to write, record, and master their first record to drop in November of their year?

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    The idol tour usually ends the beginning of September and I think both Adam and Kris finished recording at the end of October. They also record during the tour, but I think the majority comes post-tour.

  • Incipit

    That’s really squished, Cindy M – especially for any of the Idols who are trying to co-write – and they all have to be involved in the studio process mostly thru long distance. Only @2 months for hands-on participation on a first record? It’s amazing we get anything of quality at all.

    No wonder we all anticipate an album made at a more reasonable pace, with time for polishing, and consideration.

  • offside

    Once I read that B98.5 site the other day, I sighed, then accepted
    it. I’m still disappointed like everyone else, but at least now we know not to look forward to a Q4 release for 2010. David’s got to be a bit disappointed as well; he must be.
    Perhaps MWK will schedule a few shows in the meantime… :)

  • ComeBack2Me

    Are you serious? Next year? More and more people are losing interesting in him, and he’s just taking his sweet time. I’m getting annoyed at this point. Archuleta is already suffering from a loss of buzz/hype from his Idol days, and it’s going to be worse for Cook.

  • Incipit

    Nope, ComeBack2Me – can’t be drop dead serious – because we actually don’t know for a fact.

    People may be managing expectations, but –

    That anonymous, unaccredited statement is full of qualifiers, if you read it. And, it. is. not. confirmed.

  • offside

    Archuleta is already suffering from a loss of buzz/hype from his Idol days, and it’s going to be worse for Cook.

    That just may be a blessing in disguise, in an odd way (distancing himself from the show.)

  • incarcerate

    However long it takes I will definitely be waiting – he’s worth waiting for.

  • tierbee

    More and more people are losing interesting in him, and he’s just taking his sweet time.

    I HIGHLY doubt that this is David’s idea. I could be wrong, but that’s just my feeling about it.

    However long it takes I will definitely be waiting – he’s worth waiting for.

    This is true :)

  • weareallinnocent

    Sadz. :-(

    Now, what will Santa stuff my stocking with?

    Well, crap. That is all…

  • Zastine4974

    More and more people are losing interesting in him, and he’s just taking his sweet time

    And you know this for a fact?

  • 123abc456

    The drop date for records are LABEL driven. The artist does not dictate the date. The label picks the date and the singles off of the album. If David had a date in November I have no doubt in my mind he would have been ready by November. The label holds the purse strings. The artist controls what goes on the album, the music but the marketing and everything else is the label and management.

  • Balance

    Oh man. Some of y’all are making me really scared. Do we know, or can anyone tell me where I can find out, which Tuesday in November the Mass Cook Amnesia will occur? Cause I’m thinking that maybe, just maybe, if I take a vacation day and fully immerse myself in all things Cook that day…I’m talking DCTR on the stereo, AH on the ipod, Detour vids on my laptop and the random album teaser vlog on a continuous loop on my blackberry..that maybe I’ll be able to remember that I like him until February or if I’m lucky March. Seriously, I’ll prop my eyelids open A Clockwork Orange style if I have to.

  • unidentified

    I would never lose interest in David Cook. His voice hits my sweet spot. Shivers baby!

    I’ll wait. I ain’t happy dammit. But I”ll wait.

  • windmills

    offside: That just may be a blessing in disguise, in an odd way (distancing himself from the show.)

    I was just going to say that. The show’s got bad buzz right now and IMO it’ll factor into reviews of any AI album except maybe Kelly’s and Jen’s. If Cook releases during s10 and it’s looking better than s9 then he’s got a better chance of avoiding people looking to make him part of the story that AI’s jumped the shark.

    A few months isn’t going to make a big difference for Cook IMHO. It’s all about the single and how hot it is. I wish he’d release something that isn’t so angsty because if he’s looking for a CHR hit to get himself back on people’s minds he’ll need something that’s spunky/quirky/fun. Just my 2 cents.

  • progression

    The artist controls what goes on the album

    Actually the artist doesn’t even control that. They bring a specified number of songs (typically 25 or so) and the label picks the tracks. The label also has the right to send the artist back to the drawing board if it doesn’t like what’s been submitted, which I’m guessing is what happened when Dave submitted his first batch of demos early this year and promptly got sent to Sweden to write with the pop meisters.

    I HIGHLY doubt that this is David’s idea.

    I’ll eat my hat if it’s Dave’s idea. He was (politely) complaining about the timelines in trying to put a record out with a major label back in April.

  • http://twitter.com/kenostroff negativo

    Look, any way you slice it, those of us who thought DC was going to storm off the Idol stage and become a monster rock god have realized by now we were probably wrong. He may still become very successful, who knows, but it’s looking more and more like he’ll never live up to the huge expectations we had for him when he transformed the competition two years ago.

    I hope he proves me wrong, but…

  • sunchick

    Incipit, I imagine that’s one of the reasons most Idols coming off the show, at least in the past, did more recording than writing. I’m pretty sure remember David saying something in an interview which touched on this subject. Something like when AI wrapped he went to the suits, not sure if it was 19R or RCA, with his expectations, wanting to write the album and be very hands on throughout the whole process as was his habit with his indie work, etc etc, and then they told him how much time he had to get it all done (in conjunction with the AI tour no less) and he had to temper his expectations a whole bunch, LOL. ” Eh, what’s that, Cook? You want to do what you say? HahahahahHA.” Hell if he didn’t come as close as humanly possible to doing it his way, though, in the end. David must have freaked them the hell out, probably still is I reckon.

    You know I’ve been thinking about the process, and the delay, and that discography, and my personal expectations, and why I am so predisposed to distrust the people who supposedly are in the business of nuturing and selling David Cook for mass consumption and thus one would assume have his best professional interest at heart. Logically, I don’t really believe that they aren’t interested in David Cook, the guy who sold a bazillion freakin cover songs and set a Billboard record coming off of AI and some people assumed was all set up to become a monster rock god. But I’m not sure if they are interested in what keeps ME hanging around, which is, David Cook, the guy who has been making some damn cool music since he was 15. I’m pretty sure RCA realizes a crapload of people liked Cook enough to buy a platinum plus album and two platinum singles and thus know they have a potential gravy train. But I look at that fantastical fanmade discography that someone compiled with love and I have to wonder, have any of the people outside of Cook’s inner circle who are involved in the shaping of his career post-AI ever bothered to check that music out?

    Even if there are legalities which prevent public acknowledgement of the Axium stuff, did they at least give it a listen? Did they like any aspect of what they heard? Because there are quite few gems there, or should I say diamonds in the rough. Have they listened to AH all the way through, or just the song or two that David submitted for contention for DCTR? Because it’s been two years now since I happened upon that shoestring budgeted lil indie album and it never. gets. old for me. I would think familiarity with the back catalogue would be helpful in aiding his musical evolution. If they went out and signed him through traditional channels, they’d be all about that stuff. This process in general is so assbackwards, really. These people didn’t accidentally discover him in a divebar singing original material that suddenly caught their ear, or via a demo that landed in their lap and made them take a second listen. Which brings me to the delay…I wonder, what if the label is saying hey, we were expecting more zig and deep down, he is feeling more of a zag thing? I know the fans who are all about the big smash single would likely vote for the rainmaker’s zigging, but I kinda think I’d be more interested to hear the zag. Annnd I’m rambling. Pay no attention to the crazy lady who can’t shut up.

    Suffice to say, I am watching LOTR right now, and I’m feeling very Gollum all of a sudden. I wants it. My precioussss. Ha, I had said a lot more about LOTR but thought I was getting a little worthy and deleted it. Or is it wordy? But for Incipit, gist was, the magic of LOTR was not the cast, even though they were perfection, it was that the person at the helm had a real affection for the source material, and it showed.

  • wordnerdarchie

    Have they listened to AH all the way through, or just the song or two that David submitted for contention for DCTR?

    My guess is they haven’t. If they had listened to Stitches, Porcelain, or Let Go, do you think they would have him singing a song like Come Back to Me? (Even though I really like the song.)

    Side note: Cook did everything on the track “Porcelain” except for the drums, which was done by Josh Center.

  • tierbee

    . Do we know, or can anyone tell me where I can find out, which Tuesday in November the Mass Cook Amnesia will occur?

    LOL. That made me laugh.

    those of us who thought DC was going to storm off the Idol stage and become a monster rock god have realized by now we were probably wrong.

    See, I didn’t think that. Know why? Because I knew darn well once I got a little more versed in the Idol-verse that rock radio would almost certainly not play him. He’s got the Idol stigma. Rock radio doesn’t seem to look kindly on it. Some of the stations play/played Daughtry I *think* but Daughtry didn’t win – he’s the guy who got unjustly booted too soon and I swear that made him a little cooler (not taking anything away from Daughtry – that first album was a veritable hits factory, I still listen to a bunch of the songs often).

    We’ll see. I don’t even bother to guess what will happen this time. So often it’s really a matter of having the right song at the right time, and I have no clue first of all what his songs will be and second of all what pop radio will be like when he releases said song. Hoping for the best for him since obviously I think he’s fabulous and want him to have a smashing success, but right now I’m just greedily waiting for new music, dammit. And actually, sunchick:

    I know the fans who are all about the big smash single would likely vote for the rainmaker’s zigging, but I kinda think I’d be more interested to hear the zag.

    I’d kinda like the zag myself ;) I miss that wordy Cook with all the quirky twists and turns (I knew as soon as I heard it that “Dailey AntheM” was his writing by the phrasing, lol).

  • sunchick

    Wordnerdarchie, you are a girl after my own heart. Except for this liking Come Back To Me business. Stitches, oh Stitches, suddenly you seem so apropos. I keep slipping, I continue to try in vain just to pinpoint an answer, I keep tripping on the same damn wire and no one came tumbling after, crawl back in reeeverse, wash off this new verse, then keep holding on to the same tired song cause from here it will only gettt worse…

    HUGE MONDO SIGH.

  • Incipit

    Sunchick, I’m watching the same movie – and I have to agree – It coulda been a big Hollywood Waste – with the wrong person. And there’s no way to answer that Discography question, but we can hope…because that is the way an A&R person would have approached a new ‘to them’ artist. And you’re right, AH doesn’t get old. Still. Yet. Listening to it.

    And the time thing, if you really look at it – Idols get two months of real in-studio time, if they are lucky.

    We call that rushed, so do they – because it bloody well is. Maybe they were co-writing, even doing patchwork recording somehow, all during the Idol tour, but the real studio time doesn’t start till it’s over.

    David’s had the luxury of a longer and more varied co-writing period – we’ve all seen the lists….but so far, he’s had three moths of real in-studio time, the dates are upthread – and suddenly that’s forever? One more month so far than coming off of Idol? Not even that – because the Busch Gardens concerts are in there too – and the time they took to rehearse and travel to and from.

    So, people don’t want the album to be rushed…but almost one extra month so far is too long? What ‘is’ their idea of enough Studio Time, I have to wonder? How would they even know? It’s all slightly whack, IMO.

    I understand and share the anticipation for new music – but I hope for it to be the music David wants to give us – I hope for the Magic, and I’ll wait for that over another ‘rush’ job.

    ETA – and Tierbee, I’m a very pragmatic soul – I didn’t think that either – I just wait for the music…while I fend off the amnesia attack. (*chuckling* at Balance and her propped open eyelids!)

  • wordnerdarchie

    Wordnerdarchie, you are a girl after my own heart. Except for this liking Come Back To Me business.

    LOL, what can I say. I have eclectic tastes, which began in the 60’s with artists like The Lettermen (Goin’ Out of my Head), Petula Clark (Downtown), & the Everly Brothers (Cathy’s Clown). And besides, it was a way to get people to go view CBTM newly uploaded to Vevo. ;)

  • tierbee

    I knew I liked Richie Sambora for a reason, hee.

    BrazilianWNs

    David Cook – Richie Sambora’s favorite American Idol http://ht.ly/2CDNw

  • tierbee

    Oh, and while I’m one of those who loves my DCTR (most of it) and played it so much that it broke and I had to get a new one… I still listen to a whole lot of Analog Heart and Axium, too, and sads that they are relegated to the dusty corner because there’s some good stuff there. Some really good stuff. I get so annoyed with any notion that Cookie didn’t pay his dues pre-Idol. I’ve been around the indie music scene and I always got such a kick out of knowing kinda where he came from (I can’t imagine it’s all that different in Tulsa – just grinding it out, that’s what you do) and thinking about how crazy it must be to be where he is now…

    (And there comes “Just In Case” on the iPod shuffle now… I love that song).

  • standtotheright

    Speaking as someone who only sporadically watched the show, and really hadn’t voted since KC, I DON’T expect anyone who comes off that stage to storm the charts. That it happened for three alumni is fantastic, but “fairly successful” is what most people can reasonably hope for given the parameters (of the overall industry, of the timetable to create an album, of the growing disconnect between the core voting population and the core music-buying population). That so many B/B+ albums have come out of AI, and so many people have established some kind of radio presence, is pretty miraculous.

    For me, I want the guy to have a long-term songwriting career, because I think, love for performance aside, that’s how he can balance the stuff he loves about the job with the stuff he clearly doesn’t. And the most efficient way to do that is to have some successes under his belt. So, if there’s a little zig to get there, I’m cool, because some zig (Airplanes, So What) is still pretty damn awesome.

    But I’m an album buyer, so I’m willing to give people the gateway zig to get to the zag, y’know? Sometimes you end up with great surprises that way.

  • wordnerdarchie

    Just In Case is in my top tier of Axium songs. I chose those lyrics to post on my profile page on DCO. *hugs the boy that wrote the lyrics way back in 2003*

  • karenc

    I think that coming off Idol, that RCA wanted him to do more AC slower songs. But during the tour, he did more rock songs, and some that didn’t make it on the main record. And it does sound like he is going more of a rock direction for the new cd. Maybe this is a learning process for David too to make a transition to a major label.

    From what we have heard from the new material does seem to be more rock, and definately sounds like him. It does sound to me like RCA is supporting him. Also, from whatever David has said, he sounds happy with how the album is going. And he knows more about it than anyone. And hopefully if there are delays they are being worked out. But I think the wait will be worth it. Even people working on it have said that the new album is awesome. It could be that he’s going deeper into creating the album than others do. Maybe they are experimenting with the instrumentation, which I did hear in some of the songs at the BG concert. And it could be that David himself personally needed more time.

    I do think that the record will be promoted when the time is right to release it. I know that everyone I mention him to remembers him from Idol, even if they didn’t follow his career afterwards. And I don’t think two years between albums is that unusual.

  • tierbee

    Just In Case is in my top tier of Axium songs.

    I never listen to it when my husband or kids are in the car ’cause it requires QUIET – I love it. I want to hear it, no talking through it allowed. :)

    For me, I want the guy to have a long-term songwriting career, because I think, love for performance aside, that’s how he can balance the stuff he loves about the job with the stuff he clearly doesn’t.

    YES, I would love that for him. I think he’s indicated before in interviews that he would love for that path to be there for him.

  • karenc

    Incipit: I agree with you, it’s not really that much more time. And it sounds like David is much more involved in the production of this album also than the post idol one.

  • sunchick

    No kidding, tierbee, re: not paying dues. Nothing says you were nonchalant about pursuing a music career like four studio albums and two live EPs. LOL The best thing about Axium stuff p putting your ipod on shuffle is that you can find a song you might have overlooked that grabs you by surprise. My current Axium crush is Thought You Knew….

    I’m on the other side
    Waiting and praying
    Can’t seem to justify
    The things you keep saying
    Can’t seem to understand
    The way that you hate,,,,,

    ANYWAY, why the hell didn’t they get Richie Sambora instead of Steven Tyler to be the AI judge? Eye candy plus excellent musical taste, obviously. Also, everyone loves Bon Jovi, even if it’s in a total guilty pleasure sooper sekrit kind of way. Much like AI.

    I wish he’d release something that isn’t so angsty because if he’s looking for a CHR hit to get himself back on people’s minds he’ll need something that’s spunky/quirky/fun.

    AHHHH! I suddenly had visions of Cookie with a whipped cream shooting bra geetar singing “Midwestern boys we’re super hotties, cowboy boots and plaid on top….” *stabby thoughts, stabby thoughts* LOL You may be right, but I don’t have to like it. Angst, angst, baby. Somebody commented on a Permanent tubey vid that Cook was made to sing sad songs, and it’s kind of true. He just guts you with the right material.

  • tierbee

    ANYWAY, why the hell didn’t they get Richie Sambora instead of Steven Tyler to be the AI judge? Eye candy plus excellent musical taste, obviously.

    Gawd, now I’m thinking of Chris Sligh’s comment about Steven Tyler in HD, haha. I’d rather look at Richie for sure, who cares if he’s getting older. I was a hooooooge Bon Jovi fan in 6th grade, lol. (Dates self badly)

    Why am I having such a hard time picturing David as spunky? I mean, he’s charming and funny but now I’m giggling over the whipped cream bra. Hee. He’s too self-conscious to be spunky ;) Man, I love angsty Cook, though. My brain works like that; I’m the moody, broody sort myself.

  • tierbee

    Somebody commented on a Permanent tubey vid that Cook was made to sing sad songs, and it’s kind of true.

    It’s the Irish, dammit. At least that’s what my whole family of moody broody emotional people blames it on ;) . Of course they also blame that for their debauchery on St. Patrick’s Day, so… (and conveniently forget that we’re at least 1/2 German).

    I know he fusses about not being able to get a tan but… He has the skin/hair that I always wished I had. My grandfather had red hair/fair skin like that and I was so jealous. What do I get? Doo doo brown hair and brown eyes, and olive (well, kinda yellow) skin. Haha. *Sniff*

  • Incipit

    I just went back to check my perceptions – David and Richie Sambora met on the Red Carpet at the AMA’s in 2008, when David had that Red Carpet Live pre-show performance, that had never been done before – or since.

    Getty Images has a great pic of the moment – double click it.

    People were pleased then for David to have the opportunity to meet Richie – who knew that David was his favorite Idol, and still is? Cool.

  • sunchick

    Tierbee, I think you just solved one of the great mysteries of the Cookverse. Because lo and behold, I, too, am Irish! Maybe Cook fandom is angsty because he attracts angsty types, especially angsty types who can also party like it’s 1999, double especially angsty types who can party like it’s 1999 and also come from a long Irish tradition of angsty partiers. (Ironically, that also describes Neal to a tee! Ha ha ha ha. )

  • progression

    I wish he’d release something that isn’t so angsty because if he’s looking for a CHR hit to get himself back on people’s minds he’ll need something that’s spunky/quirky/fun.

    Awww, would he even be Cook if he wasn’t angsty? Even though top40 is dominated by spunky/quirky/fun, the Grammy winning song of 2009 was Use Somebody after all. Dave can sing anything, but he’s magic when he sings what he really feels IMO. I think his best bet is staying true to that and if it’s good the audience will be there. When the album is released. Sometime in the next millenium.

  • tierbee

    Hahaha, my family should change their last name to Angsty. You know, the old, “Damn, girl, you think too much” sort of thing. Honestly — and this sounds so stupid I can’t believe I’m saying it but it is 12:25 am and I’m half delirious with tiredness (alas, not sleepy kind, just exhausted) — he reminds me so, so much of my brothers and the way my AngstFamily’s minds work that I probably project stuff onto him sometimes that I shouldn’t, lol. He doesn’t *look* like my brothers (thank God for that, I couldn’t ogle admire his lips if he did, ew) but that mind of his…

    I wonder how many of our angsty co-fans are at least a bit Irish? Hmm!

  • tierbee

    Getty Images has a great pic of the moment – double click it.

    Holy cow, you found a pic I hadn’t seen yet. *Amazed*

  • Incipit

    Happy to have been of service, Tierbee. ;)

    There are a lot of pics from that night, I just had to go elsewhere and check the thread.

    I guess your discovery explains my angst fail- only a little bit Irish (Gr Grandmother) but I can’t tan for shit – so there is that mitigating factor. *snerk*

  • Balance

    I wonder how many of our angsty co-fans are at least a bit Irish? Hmm!

    Just call me Angsty McBalance…I think y’all might be on to something cause I’m 100% Irish. I don’t actually angst that much, but I do loves me some angsty music, especially AngstyCook.

    What we need is another Barbasol – spunky/quirky/fun AND a little angsty.

  • Incipit

    What we need is another Barbasol – spunky/quirky/fun AND a little angsty.

    Or “Kiss on the Neck”?? That one was more sassy than spunky – but I Flove it! And while I’m on the subject – if there has to be another hidden track – make it a bloody ballad, please? No more wastage of a cool rocking song!!

  • sunchick

    Ha, angsty Bar Ba Sol is also about….wait for it…

    partying too hard! Seriously, can you say The Irish Cook Fan’s Anthem?

  • tierbee

    Just call me Angsty McBalance

    LOL, love it. Tierbee O’Angst? I’m an angsty lover of angst…

  • sunchick

    O’ Davey boy, your pipes, your pipes are callin
    From glen to glen, and down the mountainside
    The summer’s gone, and all the flowers are dyin
    You said we’d have your new single by now, but you lied
    But come ye back when Idol’s on the teevee
    I’ll brave Steven Tyler in high def, heck even J Lo…
    Tis I’ll be here still waiting with my money
    O’ Davey boy, O’ Davey boy, I *heart* you so.

    *snickers* And nowwww I’m done.

  • Incipit

    *clap*clap*clap*

    Very nicely done, Sunchick! That’s the whole message – with no amnesia –

    Tis I’ll be here still waiting with my money
    O’ Davey boy, O’ Davey boy, I *heart* you so.

  • tierbee

    LOL! Me? I’m down the damn rabbit hole slowly watching those YouTubes from the discography. Currently up to “Hold” from the Axium days – likey.

  • fadetowhite

    But I’m not sure if they are interested in what keeps ME hanging around, which is, David Cook, the guy who has been making some damn cool music since he was 15

    Yep – this,

    The fact that I am still genuinely loving so many Axium songs and AH songs when they turn up on my i-pod are the reason that I know I’m in this for the long haul as a music fan. Had it just been DCTR, then – honestly – I’m not so sure that I’d still be around: though there are a few songs that I do love on that album too.

  • fadetowhite

    Oh – and so far as I know – no Irish blood in me!

    Can I be an honorary angster anyway?

  • Hazehel

    I’ve been trying not to comment, it’s really up to David Cook how he wants to proceed with the album, but can’t contain myself any more. What I don’t understand is why it’s taking so long to make an album nowadays. Great bands of the past used to churn out at least an album a year, certainly in their early years – Beatles, Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, Led Zeppelin, Eagles, etc. etc. A great number of those are classic albums that will be remembered forever. Now it takes three years for Daughtry to come up with an album that’s just another bit of bland rock, why? Who will remember that album in years to come and why is that so hard to make?

    I don’t mind waiting if it is what David Cook wanted, just as long as it’s not a Guns N’ Roses Chinese Democracy situation (fifteen bloody years, but at least you can argue that they have earned that right to procrastinate, David Cook hasn’t). I certainly don’t mind if the album is flawed in some ways, it’s interesting to see how a band develops over time. However I very much suspect that it is the label wanting another bit of safe homogenised rock. The label are probably just too risk-averse to take a chance on what David Cook might want himself. If the new album turns out to be DCTR mark two I will be very very disappointed.

  • ComeBack2Me

    And you know this for a fact?

    When there’s a drastic drop from his first week sales from the last album to this one; there will be your fact, okay?

  • Zastine4974

    Well I’m glad you have a crystal ball and can predict the future.

    By the way, if everyone can use the fact that the industry has gone down the tubes for an excuse of less sales then that will apply to Cook too. Doesn’t mean he has less fans. Just means the environment has changed and maybe everyone is buying his singles not the album (like most artists today).

    Sorry to be bitchy, but I get that way when some think that the same conditions don’t apply to Cook. Daughtry sales are no where near what they were on his first album and some attribute it to the downturn in the industry, not that he lost fans (there is no evidence that that has happened). Just pisses me off when some have already declared him dead in the water before anyone has heard anything.

    I hope that he hits it out of the park and has the smash CHR hit that everyone “thinks” he needs to become successful. CHR is not the be all to end all. Success is defined in many ways. You don’t have to be a “rawk god” to be successful. He’s doing it his way and as long as he is happy and puts out good music, then I’m happy.

  • springboard

    All the idols (except Kelly) have seen a sharp drop for the second album, from half the first one (Carrie, Clay), to a quarter (Daughtry)
    The idols can’t rely on their idol fanbase as much for the second album, they need good music music and radio presence like any other artist.
    David will need music that sounds current. He was hugely popular on idol because he is a charismatic performer with a great voice, but also because of his ability to take old songs and make them current and interesting.
    This is this side of him that needs to re-surface.

  • karenc

    Zastine4974:
    09/11/2010 at 8:52 am
    Well I’m glad you have a crystal ball and can predict the future.

    By the way, if everyone can use the fact that the industry has gone down the tubes for an excuse of less sales then that will apply to Cook too. Doesn’t mean he has less fans. Just means the environment has changed and maybe everyone is buying his singles not the album (like most artists today).

    Sorry to be bitchy, but I get that way when some think that the same conditions don’t apply to Cook. Daughtry sales are no where near what they were on his first album and some attribute it to the downturn in the industry, not that he lost fans (there is no evidence that that has happened). Just pisses me off when some have already declared him dead in the water before anyone has heard anything.

    I hope that he hits it out of the park and has the smash CHR hit that everyone “thinks” he needs to become successful. CHR is not the be all to end all. Success is defined in many ways. You don’t have to be a “rawk god” to be successful. He’s doing it his way and as long as he is happy and puts out good music, then I’m happy.

    I totally agree with this. I think the important part is that David is getting to do the album he wants, and that it is released when it is ready. I love his music so much more than most of the music that is out there now and want him to continue to be sucessful. And actually, I think at this point, the best chance to be sucessful is to put out the best album he could and also to differentiate his music enough to cause some interest. Which I think he does have his own style, and it is still there in the newer material that we’ve heard.

  • offside

    Just pisses me off when some have already declared him dead in the water before anyone has heard anything.

    It’s an Idol thing. Seriously, I don’t think people think that way in terms of other artists careers, but the whole Idol stigma goes on and on years after each artist’s season, comparing them to all the other Idol contestant’s careers.I’m generalizing when I write this; It’s not in response to what any other posters have written.
    Upthread someone posted that they have a feeling that TPTB perhaps
    weren’t happy with the first batch of writing sessions he did earlier in the year, thus sending him everywhere to work with proven hitmakers. I hope that isn’t the case, because that sounds
    as though they are attempting to change the type of natural artist he is, which, in my mind, is more of an Alternate rock artist rather than Pop Rock artist. I too love the angst( and I’m neither Irish or a partier, for the record :) )I’m just an extremely quiet
    person who doesn’t express herself very well, so I really admire
    people who can write thoughtful and relative songs. Add the abilty
    to cram 100 words into one line and sing them like an angel, or a jaded human being, or a jilted lover, or any of the other many ways Cook can use his voice, and I think we have an unique artist who, over time, can create just as big a following as the artists whose songs are always on the hit charts. JMO, of course.

  • wordnerdarchie

    David Cook has fans, dedicated ones at that. And his fans help other artists to be successful as well. His fans are generous in their support of musicians but also of charitable causes. They’ve donated/raised $150,415.74 to/for the Race for Hope this year, (over $135,000 last year), and another $15,000 this year for Stand Up to Cancer.

    Now whether his album sales will be anywhere close to his first is a difficult thing to predict. Given the sales figures over the last 2 years achieved by others, I don’t think they will be and I’m prepared for that. If I’m proven wrong, it will be wonderful. But I’m not going to worry about it in advance. I just like to enjoy his music, support his causes which are personal to me, and be entertained by all things David Cook. That’s MY bottom line.

  • Incipit

    When there’s a drastic drop from his first week sales from the last album to this one; there will be your fact, okay?

    ComeBack2Me, The only people who don’t expect less sales on the opening day than there were for the first album, or first single, for that matter, are the people who dealt in hyperbole the first time too – and expected, as Negativo posted – David was going to storm off the stage and “become a monster rock god”. Tierbee has a very logical post about why that was never a feasible expectation.

    The original numbers were impressive, although people comparing them to past numbers in a different climate didn’t realize this until long after the fact – and they still stand out compared to post 2008 Idol sales. Two years later, in a further troubled economy and music scene than the first time around, and certainly without the AI Winnah! impetus of being seen on National TV every single week, I don’t know many fans who expect the original numbers to be matched. Unfortunately, I do know some for whom that is the focus. There’s a phenomena that may come into play called the Sophomore Slump – there’s a music landscape in flux, and in even worse condition than the economy, insofar as sales are concerned, and there’s still fossilized Rock Radio…that hasn’t changed.

    People count ‘success’ in many ways, critical success often isn’t the same thing as commercial success; both can have no relation to personal success, and numbers may be facts – but only up to the point where people use them to measure with no regard for the circumstances they are collected in.

    Of course one hopes for an album with new music to enjoy soonest, and one that gets attention and sales commensurate with the state of the market it is released in…and there are arguments that this is what the Label is wishing to achieve. One also hopes for the music that David wants to give us in this stage of the Progression…and there are counter arguments that the two wishes are mutually exclusive…that commercial trumps creative. IDK, we can’t know, until and unless we are able to get facts. That’s mostly what I’m comfortable dealing in.

    But I did have a different ‘take’ on your original post, because I’ve seen so many like it, and I think it doesn’t merit being given a hard time. IMO. Of Course.

    More and more people are losing interest in him, and he’s just taking his sweet time.

    I read, “(I am worried that) more and more people are losing interest in him, and (it seems to me) he’s just taking his sweet time.” – it really was an opinion, and a deep concern, IMO. and I wasn’t gonna climb your shins for that.

    David and the Boyz have been in the Studio working for only three calendar months as of today – and today, David and Neal are in NY, had dinner with the Van Zandt’s last night, and are doing a guest appearance that has the potential to be Internationally broadcast, but for sure one that millions of people in the US and Territories will be able to see on Sunday. They’ll be reminded of who he is, at the very least.

    I appreciate your concern even if I can’t share it – and I’ll wait for confirmation on the anonymous statement, because that’s the way I roll – Also. according to some highly amusing posts here – I’m just not Irish enough to angst. *chuckle*

  • ComeBack2Me

    By the way, if everyone can use the fact that the industry has gone down the tubes for an excuse of less sales then that will apply to Cook too. Doesn’t mean he has less fans. Just means the environment has changed and maybe everyone is buying his singles not the album (like most artists today).

    Did I say it didn’t apply to Cook? Yes, when his album drops the lower sales will partly be due to lower album purchases being made in general. However, that won’t be the only reason. A less invested fan base will also take its toll. I’m not talking about fans who visit Idol blogs everyday; yes, many of you are willing to wait for however long it takes for this album to come out. I’m talking about all the other people who Cook won over along the way and who could easily move on and lose interest.

    I know a couple months ago I thought I would definitely be purchasing the album. Now after all these delays I’m growing somewhat apathetic.

    I read, “(I am worried that) more and more people are losing interest in him, and (it seems to me) he’s just taking is sweet time.” – it really was an opinion, and a deep concern, IMO.

    Well, yes. That’s how I meant it.

  • fadetowhite

    He was hugely popular on idol because he is a charismatic performer with a great voice, but also because of his ability to take old songs and make them current and interesting.
    This is this side of him that needs to re-surface.

    Sorry, but I can’t agree with that.

    But absolutely, it is true that pretty much every Idol sees lower sales for album two (except for Kelly). And the reasons are obvious. The response to the first album is artificially heightened and exaggerated by the attention and buzz surrounding the TV show. For the second they are left to react to and with the market, like any other singer out there.

    And as we all know, for all but a select few, the market has been steadily decreasing for several years now and is currently pretty low.

    I think most Cook fans know that the sales this time around are likely to be lower; as they are and have been for most Idols and for many, many other artists.

    But I certainly don’t want to see him turned into some kind of eternal ‘Idol star’ cover artist :lol

    If he’s going to establish himself, it’s as the band frontman/singer/songwriter/musician that he clearly wants to be and that the fans he does have (however many they may be and indications are that there are still a few of us around) respond to.

  • springboard

    But I certainly don’t want to see him turned into some kind of eternal ‘Idol star’ cover artist :lol

    If he’s going to establish himself, it’s as the band frontman/singer/songwriter/musician that he clearly wants to be and that the fans he does have (however many they may be and indications are that there are still a few of us around) respond to.

    It’s not what I meant, at all, and this is exact what I don’t want him to be. I meant that the style of the music he will release has to sound current, and I agree also stand out. Otherwise, he’ll have limited success, too limited for a major label.
    There is nothing wrong with fitting in the actual music landscape. Current does not mean poor quality, and post-grunge sounding does not mean good quality.

  • sunchick

    fadetowhite:
    09/11/2010 at 3:25 am
    Oh – and so far as I know – no Irish blood in me!

    Can I be an honorary angster anyway?

    *passes fadetowhite a pint of Guinness* Top o’ the mornin teh yeh, ye angsty bastard. Pull up a barstool and get pissed with us while we angst about mass Cooknesia, RCA, Serletic, Idol stigma, artistic cred, and last but never least, teh hair, just because there’s always the potential for disaster there even if it’s been avoided lately.

    Upthread someone posted that they have a feeling that TPTB perhaps
    weren’t happy with the first batch of writing sessions he did earlier in the year, thus sending him everywhere to work with proven hitmakers. I hope that isn’t the case, because that soundsas though they are attempting to change the type of natural artist he is, which, in my mind, is more of an Alternate rock artist rather than Pop Rock artist.

    Or maybe he’s alt pop? Poppy alt? Definitely the more alt the better, though, I agree. I tend to believe David when he claims that the neverending song writing sessions were more of an intentional massive brainstorming type thing. In this case perhaps it’s helpful to look at which songs were eventually registered at ASCAP and BMI, because I assume these are the songs that are in stronger contention for the album. If it’s mostly later session songs, maybe that’s a clue, and vice versa. Weren’t the Claude Kelly sessions pretty early on in the process? I’m actually really hoping we get to hear those songs because Claude is an interesting dude who seems to work within the pop hit making system without fully embracing the mind numbing homogenization it tends to create, you know, and Four Letter Word/Mouthbreathers are among the most intriguing titles floated around. I’m kind of sad we haven’t seen bumpkis on ASCAP from the “piss and vinegar” Sam Hollander sessions, because I lovelovelove Breathe Tonight and really rank it above 75% of the songs that actually made DCTR, and I would def welcome a Cook tune infused with some piss and vinegar/swagga.

    Anyone else think it’s weird that Lee’s cowriting lineup per MJ’s headline thread eerily mirrors Cook’s earlier cowriting lineup? Is it just an RCA thing, or what?

    So, if there’s a little zig to get there, I’m cool, because some zig (Airplanes, So What) is still pretty damn awesome.

    But I’m an album buyer, so I’m willing to give people the gateway zig to get to the zag, y’know? Sometimes you end up with great surprises that way.

    Oh yeah, there’s some awesome zig (Airplanes) scattered amongst the massive stockpile of zig that I’d love to burn en masse so I never have to hear it again (any song with the words “daisy dukes” in the lyrics.) And as a fellow album buyer, I understand that maybe zig is a necessary evil to get more zag. Conversely, though, I’d hate for the suits to have their nose so far up zig’s ass that they never smelled the potential of the zag. Zag-sometimes it’s the new zig. Ya dig?

    (Only in Cook fandom could I have typed that and trusted someone somewhere would understand WTF I mean.)

    And actually, I think at this point, the best chance to be sucessful is to put out the best album he could and also to differentiate his music enough to cause some interest. Which I think he does have his own style, and it is still there in the newer material that we’ve heard.

    And the choir sang amen.

    If he’s going to establish himself, it’s as the band frontman/singer/songwriter/musician that he clearly wants to be and that the fans he does have (however many they may be and indications are that there are still a few of us around) respond to.

    And gave a Hallelujah.

  • Hazehel

    Daughtry sales are no where near what they were on his first album and some attribute it to the downturn in the industry,

    If you are looking at the number of album sold, then that is not true. If you factor in the general decline in album sales, you’d expect that his second album to sell close to 3 million if it is selling as well as the first album.

    The fact is that with the sole exception of Kelly Clarkson, all idols saw a big drop with their second album. (In the case of Jordin Sparks her second album sales dropped to a sixth of her first album, although I would attribute it to the fact that she didn’t have a big Idol fan base to start with.) If the same pattern holds, then you can predict that David Cook would sell 400-600K of his second album, 100-200K of his third. The longer he holds off releasing his second album, the fewer he would sell with his second album.

    None of this really matters if the album turns out a good one. It’s about finding new fans, and you can only do that with a solid album that doesn’t rely on the Idol fan base. I should say that I really like his Paper Heart – it has the potential to be a big hit even if I think it isn’t quite there yet, so there is a good chance the album won’t be bad. However, listening to the (apology in advance to his fans) crap Archie is turning out for his new album (not to mention his really cheap Christmas album which was all about making a quick buck rather than making a good album), it’s giving me cause for doubt, that the label is more interested in making pap than good rock music.

    My personal opinion is that David Cook should put out an album, one that he wants to do, as quickly as he can. I actually think he should be doing his third album by now. American Idol uses the trick of getting the audience to feel connected to idols by getting them to vote for their favorite, so that they think they have a stake in their idol’s future, and most of us are suckers who would buy their new album even if it is less than great. If he makes a mistake or two in his new album it doesn’t really matter, fans are forgiving, and the Idol fan base naturally shrinks anyway.

    Few singers/bands are given that kind of opportunity (I’ve seen many bands with great potential but never made it), so he should just grab and see what he can do with it in the few years when he still has a sizeable fan base. If he can’t hack it in the music business (meaning having a long recording career) doing the kind of music he wants to, then so be it, but don’t leave it too long.

  • standtotheright

    Had it just been DCTR, then – honestly – I’m not so sure that I’d still be around: though there are a few songs that I do love on that album too.

    And, to be fair, there are those of us who think that Axium was mad derivative (their Myspace comes right out and says they sounded like other bands), and that AH had its share of flaws. There are just as many skippable songs on AH as DCTR, IMO. The former was definitely sequenced better most of the way through, and there are a few songs that I fervently wish could be back on the setlist, but do I love it thousands of times more than DCTR? No.

    I know a couple months ago I thought I would definitely be purchasing the album. Now after all these delays I’m growing somewhat apathetic.

    Is this a reaction you’ve had with a lot of other artists who had delays? I’m honestly curious.

    For me, it’s pretty rare to step out on opening week to buy the album (and if I don’t like the stream of this one, I might not do that either). There’s usually a series of triggering events (liking the single, finding it for sale on Amazon, hearing good reviews from other people) that make me pick it up. I think, if RCA folks are willing to try some new things (and the way the staffers handled Animal says they might actually have some inkling of creativity), that they’ll offer a premium edition on the site for the most invested to make that profit, and then maybe do some pricing concessions for the general fans. It’s a lot easier to rouse a casual fan out of apathy if the album isn’t that expensive. And again, so many artists have done that this year to move units that I wouldn’t consider it unusual.

    I actually think he should be doing his third album by now.

    The guy’s prolific, but he’s not Ryan Adams. A third album in three years (if he started now) would not have left much time for touring, even less if you mean a third in two. The release-tour-studio-release schedule usually ends up spreading albums out over an 18-28 month period. He’ll probably end up on the tail end of that even if this delay is true.

  • windmills

    sunchick: AHHHH! I suddenly had visions of Cookie with a whipped cream shooting bra geetar singing “Midwestern boys we’re super hotties, cowboy boots and plaid on top….” *stabby thoughts, stabby thoughts* LOL You may be right, but I don’t have to like it.

    EW. I don’t consider California Gurls to be spunky or quirky though. I was thinking more along the lines of what SUBG did for Kelly. The lyrics aren’t genius and I’m not saying Cook needs a song with dumb lyrics. But it’s the mood of the song and the way Kelly sang it that turned it into a party.

    sunchick: Angst, angst, baby. Somebody commented on a Permanent tubey vid that Cook was made to sing sad songs, and it’s kind of true. He just guts you with the right material.

    Lots of my faves sound the best when they’re singing the sad stuff but all I was trying to say is that an album full of it can be monotonous and tiring to listen to. That’s how I’d sum up DCTR even though I actually like Cook’s voice. I’m not big on post grunge rock/pop though which’ll probably stop me from ever becoming a big Cook fan. But when you think about what Cook’s had out on the radio other than the magic rainbow song there’s LO and CBTM. I think he needs to surprise people with a different mood and show he can change it up with something that shows some joie de vivre. He can go back to brooding after that.

    You’ve already got Lifehouse and Daughtry out there just to name a few doing serious pop/rock songs with varying sales results. Cook’s best bet to get noticed is to differentiate himself from that with an arch (not Archie ;)) lead single and JMHO but a song like Paper Heart doesn’t do that. I’m not saying Paper Heart’s a bad song or that it’s not album or single worthy, I’m saying I think Cook’s best bet is a spunkier lead single.

  • tinawina

    I’m talking about all the other people who Cook won over along the way and who could easily move on and lose interest.

    I agree with you. That happens to every Idol… the longer you wait, the more the people who came to know you from Idol may stop caring and lose their affection for you. I think the Idol fan thing is as much based on voice as it is personality and the individual’s “story”, and I think it happens to everyone who came to prominence on a reality show (not just Idol). They are not getting fans through original songs/music output primarily, its more about the promise, and a lot of people define that differently. So you lose some people with that first album… they expected something different musically, you didn’t become a big enough star so the dream is gone, etc etc. And the longer you wait with a follow up album the more people might just drift off because who wants to wait that long to see the “dream” fulfilled? LOL. People move on.

    I think that was going to happen anyway, it was just a matter of how many people drifted away. That’s why I’m not a big fan of the delay. Debuting a singe in the spring would have been best tactically – if he could have done that and still had a decent product to sell.

    But I don’t think it is impossible to have a career. Some of those people will come back if reminded about you and they hear something they like. Some people never knew him on idol anyway and only knew his songs, and they might be open to him if they hear more new music they like. And if the music resonates, there will be brand new people coming on board.

    Archie’s problem right now IMO is not that he has no fans, its is that the casual fans don’t even know he has anything out because he’s not getting any airplay. Who knows how many people would buy his stuff if they actually heard it? His book tour was this summer and that went very well, so I don’t think people forgot abut him. He never even got on Radio Disney, where a lot of teen girls dwell.

    Anyway, what DC needs to me is good music that gets heard, and he needs promotion. With that he has a shot at building a long lasting career. I’ll be happy if he ends up with one hit single, a gold or near gold album and a decent tour.

    Wow. That was WAY longer than I meant it to be. I need more coffee. Sorry for the rambling. :D

  • sunchick

    Is this a reaction you’ve had with a lot of other artists who had delays? I’m honestly curious.

    I can actually speak to this. I’m a huge MCR fan. Their last major tour (Black Parade) ended October-ish 2007. After that they released a live concert DVD/CD, and did a cover song for the Watchmen soundtrack, yada yada. There were interviews about writing the next album. May 09 it was officially announced that they were going to start recording their next album. There were random studio updates here and there, pictures, etc. Some worrisome stuff happened, drummer left the band, etc etc. There were a few one off concerts/secret shows which included some testing of new material in rough form. (I like, very nice.) Mostly, though, for a long time there was no news, and lots of “when is the album coming?” Obviously, there were long periods of time when I didn’t think about the new MCR album and other times I wondered if it was ever gonna drop, but I kept checking back for news. And this week? Guess what, I’m friggin STOKED. Frankie Way FINALLY posted a blog on their official website stating that the album was done. Sept 7, 2010. Did I mention the Black Parade tour wrapped up in 07? Perspective greatly varies by your life experiences, I suppose, and whether you think of DC as a guy you liked on AI or part of one of your favorite bands.

    I was thinking more along the lines of what SUBG did for Kelly.

    SUBG is an angsty break up song, though, disguised with a pop rock 4/4 beat. And not all that different than say Declaration. Which I have always said was destined to be Cookie’s SUBG had RCA not f*cked it up.

  • windmills

    sunchick: SUBG is an angsty break up song, though, disguised with a pop rock 4/4 beat. And not all that different than say Declaration. Which I have always said was destined to be Cookie’s SUBG had RCA not f*cked it up.

    Hmmmmm…..I always thought the point of SUBG was the feeling of release, like she was finally free of the angst. The way Kelly sang it we all felt like we were liberated with her and the video was cheeky. Declaration was still angsty and I still got the feeling of a dark, dark world around David.

  • tinawina

    I’m saying I think Cook’s best bet is a spunkier lead single.

    I would love an upbeat song for a lead single.

    I wonder if RCA would let that happen? Everything with Daughtry this time around was very safe single-selection wise. On the other hand, this is the label that has Kings of Leon and Christina Aguliera, acts that seem to shift musically with every record. And Kelly’s second was WAY different from her first. But on the other hand when she tried to take a risk with her third, they totally shut her down and shoved her right back into a box for record number 4. Hmm.

  • Hazehel

    The guy’s prolific, but he’s not Ryan Adams. A third album in three years (if he started now) would not have left much time for touring, even less if you mean a third in two. The release-tour-studio-release schedule usually ends up spreading albums out over an 18-28 month period.

    It’s the reason I mentioned some great bands releasing at least an album a year, how is it that they could do it regularly but bands don’t do it now? Look at early Queen discography and tours –

    1973 –
    album – Queen
    tour – Queen tour
    1974 –
    album – Queen 2
    tour – short gigs + opening for Mott the Hoople
    album – Sheer Heart Attack
    tour – Sheer Heart Attack tour
    1975 –
    album – A night at the Opera
    tour – A Night at the Opera tour
    1976 –
    tour – A Night at the Opera tour + short gigs
    album – A Day at the Races
    1977 –
    tour – A Day at the Races tour
    album – News of the World
    tour – News of the World tour
    1978 –
    album – Jazz
    tour – Jazz tour

    Fun as it was, I think the Declaration Tour went on far too long. They should have finished by September and started writing for the new album. Perhaps David Cook wanted the long tour, but somehow I feel the management might be trying to wring as much as possible out of him (the management probably gets a hefty cut of his earnings, I remember reading something about Idol contract that gives an unreasonable slice of an idol’s earnings to the management.)

    Just in case anyone might think otherwise, I actually think that David Cook has the potential to do a Kelly Clarkson and have a more successful second album than his first.

  • standtotheright

    It’s the reason I mentioned some great bands releasing at least an album a year, how is it that they could do it regularly but bands don’t do it now?

    Well, Queen’s albums were shorter. None of the first five studio albums were longer than 45 minutes, and a few were under 40.

    Didn’t Green Day once talk about this? When everyone was releasing on vinyl, the album was the album. You got your 35-45 (rarely 50) minute album over two sides, with the occasional live or double disc after getting really established.

    But now, in the digital world, every album is supposed to be 50-60 minutes plus bonus tracks spread across retailers, so that’s more like 70-75 minutes for each album. It’s almost double the length.

    Now, it’s certainly possible that things will shift back to a shorter album/EP model. But I don’t think, Mike Posner aside, that RCA and the other majors are really there yet.

    And as for the tour, I don’t think it would have mattered if they’d stopped in October or December if they’d gotten a producer tamped down by April, or if said producer had been able to work with them straight through (plenty of albums get done in 8-12 weeks of recording). But they clearly didn’t manage that.

  • offside

    Last week, when David tweeted about working on something with Neal and Andy,I think it kind of surprised everyone, because the general consensus was that the writing (and probably the recording) had already been completed. Did anyone besides me think that perhaps they were writing something to be used for MWK? Would that even be permitted?

  • Hazehel

    Well, Queen’s albums were shorter. None of the first five studio albums were longer than 45 minutes, and a few were under 40.

    I don’t see how having a couple more songs could add an extra year or two to recording an album. Queen’s Sheer Heart Attack has 13 songs, A Night at the Opera has 12 (even if one of them is their take on the National Anthem), A Day at the Race has 10, News of the World has 11) vs 14 on DCTR (including Time of My Life which has already been done) on the regular album.

    A lot of the songs in most albums nowadays are fillers anyway, this is unlike some of the great albums like Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon (released 9 months after the previous album) or Wish You Were Here – that’s released ~30 months after Dark Side of the Moon, more like your more modern timescale, but that was one fantastic album, I like it more than Dark Side of the Moon. One thing I should say about DCTR however – there isn’t a single song in there that I’d say is bad (whether I like them or not is another matter), even if I don’t think the album as a whole is great.

  • Zastine4974

    offside:
    09/11/2010 at 2:49 pm
    Last week, when David tweeted about working on something with Neal and Andy,I think it kind of surprised everyone, because the general consensus was that the writing (and probably the recording) had already been completed. Did anyone besides me think that perhaps they were writing something to be used for MWK? Would that even be permitted?

    Just because David tweeted about working on something with Neal and Andy doesn’t mean it was even for DCTR2. We all know they are always writing (per David) and maybe just maybe they were demos for DCTR3. All of the angst is fan generated and David seems happy with what is going on so maybe as the old saying goes, we are getting the cart before the horse. David and Neal are prolific writers so it would not surprise me if they are already looking forward to another record.

  • karenc

    About Queen and others producing albums every year: I have read from different other artists that things are different when you are on a major label now then in the 70s. There is far more work involved now than there was then. They didn’t have to make tv appearances and videos that they do now. I also kind of think it’s different when you’ve been working with your own band. Also, you’re talking about some of the greatest songwriters ever that invented the genre, instead of just writing within it. I would think it’s harder to differentiate yourself now because you have to worry about sounding like someone else too much.

    I do think David started showing his own sound more on AH than some of the Axium stuff. I think that’s one of reasons he had originally left to be a solo artist.

    And, I do think that although I love his albums, he did need something more upbeat to release. I really think that Kiss on the Neck would have been the biggest single, but it couldn’t be because it was hidden and not on all versions. And upthread it was brought up SUBG by Kelly Clarkson, I really think KOTN was the male version of this type of song. Especially with the other songs that were out last summer, by Kelly Clarkson, and Katy Perry, that this would have been a hit. And I’m not saying that every song should be like this, because I love the emotions David puts into his songs.

    I also don’t think they should have cut the tour short, because he and the band grew so much last year being on the tour, if you look at the videos from early on, and the later ones there was definate growth, even up until the last shows in December.

    As for delays on album releases, I can think of several that don’t release albums for 2 or 3 years. Foo Fighters are one of my favorite bands and they haven’t released a new album and toured since 2007-2008. They did release a greatest hits album last year with a couple of new songs, but they were working on other projects. Anyway, they are now working on a new album, and I would think that it wouldn’t be out until next year. So that would be nearly 4 years between albums. Another band I like is No Doubt and it was longer than that for them. I relize they are establish bands, but it seems that even new bands have at least 2 or 3 years between albums. And in the past you didn’t hear anything at all about them until the album was ready to be released.

    THe other thing is that with proper promotion and a good album he could still do well. Now, in 2006, Ryan Star was on Rockstar Supernova, though that wasn’t as popular as AI. He just released his first major label album recently. It was done over a year ago, but he and the record company decided to wait until he had built enough of an audience. He opened for David and others this year, and did release a single Breathe that has had some success, and an EP last year. The point is that there was an audience build or rebuilt through proper promotion.

  • fadetowhite

    Springboard

    There is nothing wrong with fitting in the actual music landscape. Current does not mean poor quality

    Oh no – I totally agree with that. It’s why even old and established bands continually update their sound…

    I just misread what you said earlier and focused on the ‘ability to take old songs’ part of the bit I quoted from you rather than the ‘make them current and interesting’ bit. If it was the latter that you meant rather than the former, then ITA. That’s true for any artist.

    ETA: although I think I need to qualify that a bit. What Cook did on Idol only seemed current, because everything else always seems so dated on Idol. But if you take his Idol song versions out of context, they aren’t that ‘current’. And that’s not a criticism of Cook; it’s an acknowledgement of the limits and restrictions of the show.

    And also, ‘current’ means different things in different genres. It means one thing in the Top 40 singles pop charts and something else entirely if you look at the whole spectrum of albums on offer.

    I think Cook has been updating his sound since Axium anyway. Personally I love his wordier style of song-writing and I love plenty of other ‘wordy’ bands/singers around today. Florence and the Machine and The Script, for example: both have great lyrics.

    From what I’ve heard of the new songs, the sound is definitely up-dated and moving in the right direction; though we’ll have to wait for the finished product to see how far along that path they’ve got.

    Me? I’m a fan and I’m excited to see where they’ve gone – especially if, as indications lead me to believe, they’ve had some artistic license in the recording.

    As for whether it extrapolates beyond the fans and into a wider audience or hits the market correctly and at the right time: that’s just impossible for anyone to predict. So, I’m not going to worry about it.

  • 123abc456

    Ryan Star was sitting on his album for 3 years before it was released. It sold around 11,000 copies the first week and then dropped out of the BB 200. I would not hold Ryan Star up as an example of what David Cook should be doing. They are in two completely different leagues if you ask me. And I am sure the long term fans of Ryan were not happy with the way the label treated him. For me he is a cautionary tale and I hope nothing like that ever happens to David. BTW I am fan of Ryan Star I have his EP, and his album and will be seeing him on Monday in Seattle.

  • fadetowhite

    *passes fadetowhite a pint of Guinness* Top o’ the mornin teh yeh, ye angsty bastard. Pull up a barstool and get pissed with us while we angst about mass Cooknesia, RCA, Serletic, Idol stigma, artistic cred, and last but never least, teh hair, just because there’s always the potential for disaster there even if it’s been avoided lately.

    :lol

    Thanks Sunchick – I don’t need to be Irish to appreciate a chance to pull up a barstool and get pissed, that’s for sure!

  • karenc

    123abc456:

    Ryan Star was sitting on his album for 3 years before it was released. It sold around 11,000 copies the first week and then dropped out of the BB 200. I would not hold Ryan Star up as an example of what David Cook should be doing. They are in two completely different leagues if you ask me. And I am sure the long term fans of Ryan were not happy with the way the label treated him. For me he is a cautionary tale and I hope nothing like that ever happens to David. BTW I am fan of Ryan Star I have his EP, and his album and will be seeing him on Monday in Seattle.

    I am a fan of Ryan’s also. My point was that he even though he was on a show like AI, and even though it has been a few years, that someone could still be promoted to some success. Not saying at all that should happen to David, but it is a lot less time for David since his last release even if the cd isn’t released until next year. I liked Ryan on Rockstar, and hadn’t heard about him at all for years until he was opening for David, then found I liked his original music also.

  • fadetowhite

    Standtotheright:

    And, to be fair, there are those of us who think that Axium was mad derivative (their Myspace comes right out and says they sounded like other bands), and that AH had its share of flaws. There are just as many skippable songs on AH as DCTR, IMO. The former was definitely sequenced better most of the way through, and there are a few songs that I fervently wish could be back on the setlist, but do I love it thousands of times more than DCTR? No.

    Yeah and that perspective would be equally right.

    Honestly – I never got into grunge in the 90’s. I was listening pretty exclusively to UK music at that time. I never got into post grunge either. I’ve heard a bit of both genres recently and the only band I really like is The Foo Fighters: they are brilliant. As for the rest, I like a song here or there, but that’s about it.

    So I really wouldn’t have the slightest clue as to whether Axium was or wasn’t derivative and it’s not that high on my list of priorities if they were. All I know is that I really like quite a few of their songs and, in particular, I really love some of the lyrics on them.

    AH is in no way whatsoever the kind of album that would be at the top of the charts – but I love a lot of the songs on that too. Hey – I was a huge Billy Bragg fan in the 1980s and he only ever troubled the UK charts once.

    I listen to what I like and I like what I like, whether it’s ‘current’ , top 40 material, derivative, unique or not. Hell Muse, who I adore, still get loads of criticism in the UK for being derivative and overblown and they’re one of the undoubted top live acts in the world at the moment. Oasis have constantly been accused of being derivative, but I don’t give a damn, because I really love some of their stuff and have done for a couple of decades.

    The strange thing about this Idol fandom is that you definitely get drawn into obsessing over things that have never crossed your mind before. In the past, stange alien concepts such as Billboard rankings, release dates, weekly numbers, release strategies etc etc have never been on my radar when it came to enjoying music.

    And I kind of suspect that I should let them fall right back off it and just sit back and enjoy the actual product: when it eventually comes.

  • progression

    Anyone else think it’s weird that Lee’s cowriting lineup per MJ’s headline thread eerily mirrors Cook’s earlier cowriting lineup?

    Yep.

    Is it just an RCA thing, or what?

    I think it’s a 19R thing. RCA is really just distribution.

  • Yvonne13

    I agree 100% with Negativo’s comments on this topic.

    I do know some folks who have lost interest and moved on to others, even before the delay in this album. David still has a strong core following him, but I think he has lost some of the momentum he had 2 years ago, and hence some of the casual fans who may have purchased the first album but won’t be buying the second.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    I can confirm that this news item is 100% legit, and comes from a very good source, just in case any of your had any doubts. :).

  • 123abc456

    Thanks MJ.

  • tigervixxxen

    Thank you very much MJ for confirming. At this point I think fans just want to know what to expect and having that confirmation means a lot.

    Karenc, I agree with what you said about building awareness back up. I don’t think momentum is as important as having a really great promotional blitz. Sure it is harder to build from a standpoint of lower awareness but I don’t think it is impossible. I’ve always felt like waiting on Ryan’s album was a mistake because the sales be built up from gaining awareness and a radio single were lost by not having new product to sell at the hundreds of shows he played at over the last few years. Its kind of like what is more important, to build anticipation or to convert a sale? You can’t build anticipation in even some of the casual fans, they may only care enough if they can get the product right away, otherwise they will forget again.

  • May

    For an artist who is still gaining momentum, I don’t think it’s a good idea to wait this long between albums. I suspect that Cook didn’t plan it this way and one can only speculate on why he had to delay the album. For a successful artist like Daughtry, I think it’s fine to have a long gap between albums, since he had more than 5 songs consistently charting in his absence and therefore stayed in everyone’s consciousness.

    Of course, if Cook is promoted extremely well on his second album, then it won’t matter as much. However, based on RCA’s dwindling support of Cook’s first album, there is no guarantee that they will promote him well on his second album. Cook seems pretty business-savvy and may be saving up enough to contribute to his promotion. Let’s hope so.

    In terms of waning fan interest…speaking for myself…I rarely pay attention to what Cook is doing now and can’t remember the last time I read DCO or listened to AH. However, if he comes out with a new album, I will definitely purchase it and if he is in my area, I would make the effort to see him in concert. I don’t think he’ll lose the fans he has gained…although they may not be as…fanatic!

  • tierbee

    Aw, I missed lots of discussion today while I coached a couple soccer games and then spent the bulk of the afternoon at urgent care waiting for my little one to be diagnosed with strep. Bah! Poor little fellow.

    And I kind of suspect that I should let them fall right back off it and just sit back and enjoy the actual product: when it eventually comes.

    Yeah, I’ve been working on myself on this one. I never used to care, at all, about chart positions or numbers or anything. If I liked music, I bought it. Need to remember that attitude and just enjoy the music again :)

  • offside

    I don’t even hear his singles played on the radio anymore; not even rainbows.I hear all other Idol’s songs, even the oldest ones, but never David. Maybe because they weren’t #1 on charts? Anyway,US Open
    performance tomorrow!

  • karenc

    I still hear Light on and TOML sometimes on the radio, mostly on soft rock stations. Have heard them both within the past month.

  • fadetowhite

    Sorry to be a post-ho on this thread, but, I’ve just got to ponder:

    rarely pay attention to what Cook is doing now and can’t remember the last time I read DCO or listened to AH

    Isn’t this kind of normal? Especially the listen to music part.

    I listened to both Coldplay’s Parachutes and A Rush Of Cold Blood…constantly when they came out: I really wore a metaphorical groove in those CDs. But in each case, after half a year say, I listened to them far less. Now, they’re just two records on my i-pod that crop up in rotation. In fact, I listened to them so much, that I didn’t want to listen to them at all for a while. Even now, my favourite songs on them don’t have the same impact they had when they were new. Additionally, I didn’t like X&Y and went off the band completely for a while, only to be brought back by Viva La Vida.

    I’ve bought every U2 album since War and have worn several out on hard rotation. Now, War is the one I play through still regularly (my favourite) the others again, just crop up on my i-pod as and when.

    For Cook of course, the situation is even more complicated by that damned TV show. The rush of addiction following something like Idol was bound to lessen at some time: the intensity that a show like that stirs up needs to be continually sustained. And the Cook fans who were that invested had a long period of continued input, over the show, the Idol tour, the Declaration tour. This has been the first real period of drought where people are thrown back on the actual music. And it may well be, that without all of the ‘excitement’, what is left is not actually strong enough in itself, for some, to sustain an interest. The sparkle may disappear to reveal something they aren’t actually that interested in. It happens.

    As for the radio: from what I can gather Cook’s records do still get some spins. But honestly? I don’t think any of those singles were true hits, in any definition. They aren’t going to last and be played for years. And I think that’s a good thing, because they aren’t, IMO, defining of the man’s sound. I wouldn’t want to see him linked eternally with CBTM or TOML!

    We’ll just have to see what happens next.

  • fadetowhite

    NB – MJ: thanks for confirming the news. It ends all of that annoying speculation. Now, people can just get out all of their concerns over the delay and move on to look forward to the album, when it is released – or not.

    I’m happier anyway :lol

  • offside

    I wouldn’t want to see him linked eternally with CBTM or TOML!

    Amen to that!

  • karenc

    For Cook of course, the situation is even more complicated by that damned TV show. The rush of addiction following something like Idol was bound to lessen at some time: the intensity that a show like that stirs up needs to be continually sustained. And the Cook fans who were that invested had a long period of continued input, over the show, the Idol tour, the Declaration tour. This has been the first real period of drought where people are thrown back on the actual music. And it may well be, that without all of the ‘excitement’, what is left is not actually strong enough in itself, for some, to sustain an interest. The sparkle may disappear to reveal something they aren’t actually that interested in. It happens.

    As for the radio: from what I can gather Cook’s records do still get some spins. But honestly? I don’t think any of those singles were true hits, in any definition. They aren’t going to last and be played for years. And I think that’s a good thing, because they aren’t, IMO, defining of the man’s sound. I wouldn’t want to see him linked eternally with CBTM or TOML!

    I know what you mean. For me, anyway, I do still listen to his music regularly, more so than other artists. I think if I had heard his music outside of AI I would have still liked it. Though I know there have been others that I have liked on Idol and I either didn’t like their post idol work as much as I thought, or have lost some interest. And by the time the new album comes out, it will be almost 3 years since he was on Idol, even though I’m sure he’ll make an apperance on the show and this could help promote him.

    And I don’t want him to be defined by TOML and CBTM either. I do think that the most representative song that was released for him was Light On, but even that was a different sound than his.

    I think this album he will really define the direction he wants to take musically, and that is what they are working on now. I also think that part of the reason for what is happening with him is so he won’t be tied down to a sound he doesn’t want until the new album is ready.

  • therealjustin

    I just re-discovered This Loud Morning after not liking it the first listen upon release. Really enjoying it this time around.

    Can’t wait for the new music!