Monday Morning Mediabase Update – Up Until Midnight 10/11/09

Here are your Monday Morning Mediabase Updates for airplay as of midnight of 10/11/09.

Carrie Underwood:
“Cowboy Casanova” : ^6 Country (7)

Daughtry:
“No Surprise”: ^3 HAC (2), ^10 AC (11)

David Cook:
“Come Back To Me”: ^15 AC (15)

Jordin Sparks:
“Battlefield”: 12 Pop (11), ^20 AC (24), 29 HAC (13)

Katharine McPhee:
“Had it All” : ^43 AC (39)

Kellie Pickler:
“Didn’t You Know How…”: ^35 Country (39)

Kelly Clarkson:
“Already Gone”: ^9 HAC (12), ^14 Pop (19), ^24 AC (32)

Kris Allen:
“Live Like We Are Dying”: ^45 HAC (53)

Lakisha Jones:
“Same Song”: 30 UAC (27)

Mandisa:
“He is With You”: ^23 CAC (25)

Phil Stacey:
“You’re Not Shaken”: 16 CAC (15)

Ruben Studdard:
“Don’t Make ‘Em Like…”: ^32 UAC (38)

Note: Numbers indicate position on the chart while numbers in brackets indicate the position on the chart the previous week. ‘^’  indicates that the song has a bullet in that format.

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36 Comments

  1. Anticipating the questions:

    Kris’s song LLWAD goes for radio adds on HAC today and on Pop tomorrow (currently 201 spins on Pop which is not high enough for the Top 50).

    Elliott is still getting 71 spins on AC, but must have gone re-current or the AC chart is messed up.

    Allison does not have enough spins to chart. She has a total of 3 spins (1 for HAC and 2 for Pop)

    Jason does not have enough spins to chart (total 183 on Pop) and went for adds on Pop last Tuesday.

  2. What is interesting to me (and I haven’t really looked at this too much before) is the Jordin and Kelly are charting in 3 different genres pop, AC, and HAC while the guys are being spun basically in an AC or HAC genre [Kirsten, you need to fix Daughtry’s you have HAC listed twice].

    Since I don’t know how to research this (any volunteers) I was wondering if Jordin and Kelly have had more success in Pop, over time, than the guys. And it would be an interesting exercise to see if the longer you stay on “pop” whether there is a correlation with how well your single sales.

    I guess if you were a real numbers person you could have so much fun trying to figure out which listening audience listens “for free” and who listens and then buys.

  3. Females do better on Pop radio in general. And if you’re male, Top 40 favors hip hop artists or teens. So it’s ironic that while the males get most of the attention here, the females consistently do better on the radio.

    Following that model, Allison should do better on Top 40 than the guys from S8 even though she finished 4th. And if they go with a dance/electronic song for Adam they’re pushing the envelope. There are no successful male artists doing that kind of music (who are not also hip hop artists). Zero, zip.

    The only Idol guys have have done well on Top 40 were Daughtry (with singles from his first album) and Elliott Yamin with Wait for You. Crush never cracked the Top 10 and Cook’s singles didn’t break Top 20. I doubt Kris will do much either on Pop.

  4. Kirsten, you need to fix Daughtry’s you have HAC listed twice

    Fixed. Today, I’ll blame all that tryptophan from last night. Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow compatriots.

    Since I don’t know how to research this (any volunteers) I was wondering if Jordin and Kelly have had more success in Pop, over time, than the guys.

    I’m not even going to do any research (I’m lazy today). Jordin has had 3 songs in the Top 10 on Pop and a fourth that went to Top 40 (at least). Kelly has had even more than that.

    Daughtry has had a lot of songs go Top 40, but I don’t think he’s consistently hit the Top 10 on Pop as often as those two (“It’s Not Over” and “Home” did very well in Pop, but topped the HAC charts).

    Pop is pretty much the best format for moving singles, especially as iTunes becomes more and more popular. Pop is also pretty much a women’s format, especially for artists not in a band. There are of course exceptions.

    HAC does a pretty good job of moving albums (probably punches above it’s weight) and is more male friendly. It’s not bad at moving singles especially when you consider it’s a smaller format than Pop.

    Country, where Carrie is the Queen Idol at getting to the top of the airplay, doesn’t tend to move a lot of singles, but it moves a LOT of albums.

    which listening audience listens ‘for free’ 

    That’s probably the AC crowd. They are so cheap, they buy nothing but Josh Groban and Michael Buble. They just sit in their dentist offices and discount stores listening away for free. Oblivious. Perhaps drugged. IDK.

  5. Just for the record, here is the Top 40 today:

    1. Jay Sean (featuring Lil Wayne) : Down
    2. Miley Cyrus : Party in the USA
    3. Kings of Leon: Use Somebody
    4. Taylor Swift: You Belong With Me
    5. Jason Derulo: Watcha Say
    6. Black Eyed Peas: I Gotta Feeling
    7. Lady Gaga: Paparazzi
    8. Beyonce: Sweet Dreams
    9. Boys Like Girls: Love Drunk
    10. Mariah Carey: Obsessed

    Top 10 on HAC:
    1. Kings of Leon: Use Somebody
    2. Taylor Swift: You Belong With Me
    3. Daughtry: No Surprise
    4. Colbie Caillat: Fallin’ For You
    5. Black Eyed Peas: I Gotta Feeling
    6. Pink: Please Don’t Leave Me
    7. Michael Franti & Spearhead: Say Hey (I Love You)
    8. Fray: Never Say Never
    9. Kelly Clarkson: Already Gone
    10. Rob Thomas: Her Diamonds

    Top 10 on itunes:
    1. Britney spears: 3
    2. Miley Cyrus: Party in the USA
    3. Jason Derulo: Watcha Say
    4. Owl City: Fireflies
    5. Jay Sean (featuring Lil Wayne): Down
    6. Lady Gaga: Paparazzi
    7. Black Eyed Peas: I Gotta Feeling
    8. Iyaz: Replay
    9. Justin Bieber: One Less Lonely Girl
    10. Jay-Z (featuring Rihanna&Kanye West): Run This Town

  6. The #1 song Down was co-written by an Idol contestant from S6. I’m blanking on his name but he’s a sweet guy who also worked for Fuse.

  7. The #1 song Down was co-written by an Idol contestant from S6. I’m blanking on his name but he’s a sweet guy who also worked for Fuse.

    Jared Cotter.

    Great for him. I would never have predicted that after his run. There are a lot of avenues for success in the industry (and writing hit songs is definitely one of them. Get one number one hit, and lots of even more successful artists will start considering your other songs for their next album).

  8. Thanks for all the info Kirsten. Based on this ever so small sampling the relation between Top 40 and single sales really puts into focus how imperative it is that singers find a sound that is current in order to get much, if any, initial success…which in turn points out how much of a hurdle Idols have to overcome after being on AI.

    An AI fan base is helpful but if that fandom can’t “accept” the Singer going “current and Top 40” they aren’t helping the Artist find the most profitable niche. No wonder Jordin and Kelly are forced to push out 3 or 4 poppish songs each go round to keep moving forward, and no wonder the bitter battle that raged between Kelly and her recording company.

    It will be interesting to see if the current crop of Idols can wedge themselves into top 40. If they can’t then they may still have some good success, but their path won’ be as initially profitable. Tough life, this current music biz.

  9. ^’  indicates that the song has a bullet in that format.

    What does a “bullet” mean?

  10. I’m curious. I hear Battlefield a lot now, and it was #6 or #7, I believe, on AT 40 (yes, I actually listened to it yesterday!). Doesn’t that mean it should be there on the pop charts? Maybe it changed in the past few days/week, or I heard it incorrectly…

    Is it better for a song to do well on Top 40 than on HAC? Does that indicate more sales? What about iTunes? Sorry, I’m new to how this all works…

  11. The #1 song Down was co-written by an Idol contestant from S6. I’m blanking on his name but he’s a sweet guy who also worked for Fuse.

    Jared Cotter.

    Great for him. I would never have predicted that after his run. There are a lot of avenues for success in the industry (and writing hit songs is definitely one of them. Get one number one hit, and lots of even more successful artists will start considering your other songs for their next album).

    I’ve often wondered about Michael Sarver and his 900+ songs he’s written. I’m not a big fan of his, but have thought if his recording career doesn’t work out for him, maybe he could sell some of his songs to current artists. I’ve asked him about it during his twitter parties but have never gotten a response. He might be a great songwriter…who knows.

  12. And if they go with a dance/electronic song for Adam they’re pushing the envelope.

    I’m still confused exactly by what everyone means by Dance Electronic? Are we using this term losely or strictly? Loosely then Lady G and Katy Perry fit into this (otherwise I don’t know any female successful in this category right now). I always thought Kevin Rudolph, occasionally Justin Timberlake, Chis Brown (with Forever) and 3OH!3 all loosely fit into that dance/electronic category sometimes.

    Crush never cracked the Top 10 and Cook’s singles didn’t break Top 20.

    Cook’s single “Light On” made top 20 for a week (at #20!). A break is a break!

  13. I always thought Keven Rucdoph, occasionally Justin Timberlake, Chis Brown (with Forever) and 3OH!3 all loosely fit into that dance/electronic category sometimes.

    They do fit electronic/dance type music. Especially Justin Timberlake. The electronic sound is very popular in R&B right now.

  14. Allison does not have enough spins to chart. She has a total of 3 spins (1 for HAC and 2 for Pop)

    Do we know when/if she’s going to do publicity for the single? When it’s going for adds?

  15. I’m not even going to do any research (I’m lazy today). Jordin has had 3 songs in the Top 10 on Pop and a fourth that went to Top 40 (at least). Kelly has had even more than that.

    Jordin has had 4 top 10 songs at Pop. 3 of them from her first album and Battlefield from this album so far . her latest single SOS (Let The Music Play) is just outside the top 50 and should debut by next week.

  16. What does a ‘bullet’  mean?

    Means that it is increasing in spins which is a positive. Even if a song goes down in the ranking (because it was passed by a song that is gaining faster), having a positive spincrease shows forward momentum. Likewise, when a song falls up the chart (higher rank due to songs going re-current or falling faster than it), the lack of spincrease shows that the song is stalling or falling.

    When it’s going for adds?

    No word yet. If I had to guess, it would be two weeks from now (since Jive seems to have her off-set two weeks from Kris).

    Jordin has had 4 top 10 songs at Pop.

    Thanks. I couldn’t remember if “One Step at a Time” had managed to get to Top 10. Jordin is very consistent in Pop.

  17. JT’s last album, FutureSex/LoveSound did really wall, and was much different than his previous albums (he explained the making of it with Timbaland on his album I downloaded from iTunes). I could see Adam having at least one song like SexyBack.

    I have a feeling Sarver will end up writing with or for another artist; Chris Sligh has been very successful doing so.

  18. David Cook’s CBTM went recurrent on HAC yesterday.

    Gah. What does that mean?

  19. I could see Adam having at least one song like SexyBack.

    One can hope ;-) On the subject of Adam being one of the few male artists out there who may go more of the pop-electronic route, I always brought up JT (falsetto and all) as someone very current and successful who would be similar to an “Adam style”, especially with songs like SexyBack: that is a song that Adam could have done, imo.

    I know JT has more of an R&B influence than Adam is likely to have, but I still see the similarities.

  20. David Cook’s CBTM went recurrent on HAC yesterday.

    Gah. What does that mean?

    Each chart has it’s own criteria for re-current. A song that has been on the chart for N weeks and falls below a certain ranking goes recurrent. That allows room for new songs coming up the ranks to chart.

    It basically means that the song has gone into mandatory retirement from the rankings, but it’s still being played.

  21. Kelly Clarkson:
    ‘Already Gone’ : ^9 HAC (12), ^14 Pop (19), ^24 AC (32)

    Kelly new single is doing well on the radio once more, it’s disturbing how an album that got great reviews and soon will have 3 top 10 hits is not selling more than that.
    Maybee they will move more units at the end of the year.

  22. One can hope ;-) On the subject of Adam being one of the few male artists out there who may go more of the pop-electronic route, I always brought up JT (falsetto and all) as someone very current and successful who would be similar to an ‘Adam style’ , especially with songs like SexyBack: that is a song that Adam could have done, imo.

    I know JT has more of an R&B influence than Adam is likely to have, but I still see the similarities.

    IMO The only similarity between Adam and JT is that the former will try to break the pop format and JT is the only white male solo artist that has that kind of success.
    JT is soul/RnB singer and has a lot of collaborations with famous rappers and RnB producers.

    I used to dislike Justin a lot and I am still not that much into his music but he is really multitalented, he has good dance skills, is a decent actor and he is the best and most funny host on SNL every year.

  23. Thanks to Brian Mansfield at USA Today-Idol Chatter

    Kris Allen’s Live Like We’re Dying continues to gain ground in both the Hot AC (#45) and Top 40 (#67) formats.

    The week’s most-played Idols overall? Daughtry (17,579 spins), Kelly Clarkson (17,466), Carrie Underwood (13,917), Jordin Sparks (11,416) and David Cook (5,715)

    Elliott Yamin’s Can’t Keep on Loving You, Brooke White’s Radio Radio and Katharine McPhee’s Had It All all end their runs in AC’s top 40

    Daughtry, Kelly and Jordin Sparks get airplay across multiple formats

  24. No word yet. If I had to guess, it would be two weeks from now (since Jive seems to have her off-set two weeks from Kris).

    Good to know :)

  25. Justin Timberlake works with many hiphop artists. That’s how he achieved most of his big success with the last album. And he’s the ONLY white guy to achieve chart success in that area. I can’t see Adam doing anything that sounds like JT at all. Adam doesn’t have an ounce of R&B in him in my opinion.

  26. And he’s the ONLY white guy to achieve chart success in that area.

    Eminem, Bubba Sparks, and Robin Thicke. That guy from Making The Band? But yeah, He’s one of a very, very small club.

    I can’t see Adam doing anything that sounds like JT at all. Adam doesn’t have an ounce of R&B in him in my opinion

    ITA. Adam is not R&B. Adam is not going to get on Urban radio, even if its a dance song. Ain’t gonna happen. But he shouldn’t need it anyway, he’s aiming straight for pop.

  27. Adam is not going to get on Urban radio, even if its a dance song.

    This made me laugh because it seems, to me, to be a complete truism. I really don’t see Adam ever being classified as urban or soul or r&b…that would be like saying he might someday break into christian contemporary or, heaven forbid, country music.

    See, I don’t think Anoop has much of a chance for these genre’s either…and truth be know, even though Matt is biracial I don’t think this is his niche either. It’s the unique artist who can transcend the stereotypical preconceptions that are embodied within a certain genre. I still can’t get over the fact that Justin made it in….didn’t see that coming when Nsync was around.

  28. There are a lot of white male artist who have achieved success on the pop charts but as groups rather than solo artists (JoBros, Weezer, AAR, 3OH!, Nickleback, etc, etc) . Adam is in that unique position of coming from Idol where you are forced into being a solo artist even if you have a “band” sound, which is what happened with Cook and Daughtry initially. I’m not sure if there is necessarily a force working against the white male solo artist. I think that guys in the pop/pop-rock/rock genre like to form bands, because half the fun is coming up with the musical arrangements…it’s a culture that starts in high school. There are always tons of young guys who want to be drummers, guitarits or bass players and aren’t really interested in singing, so it makes sense to form a band. Not so much with females…most want to sing with or without their own instrument. Idol sort of skirts the issue and provides these solo male artists with ready-made “bands”, but it’s just not the way things naturally happen. Even Adam had a band before idol, correct?

    By the way…Eminem is another solo white male artists who kills on the pop charts. I still can’t tell what kind of music will dominate on Adam’s album, but he once mentioned wanting to duet with Missy Elliot, so I would say that anything’s possible. If Adam wants to dance and have dance videos, he will probably need some songs that sound like Timberlake or Madonna or even BEP. You can’t dance to too many other genres without looking stupid, especially if you’re a guy (I’m pretty sure he won’t be doing hip-hop, reggae or latin pop). Unless he wants to faux dance like Lady Gaga…I hope not.

  29. Just a note: AT40 (both the Top 40 and HAC versions) tends to be behind the charts by about two weeks and also does not match up exactly with the charts.

    Generally, going recurrent is a good thing. It means that your song had enough longetivity that it satisfied the standard for recurrency.

  30. Daughtry was never a solo artist. Chris’ band was formed and photographed (even though they didn’t play) as part of Chris’ first album. Did I misunderstand what you were trying to say?

  31. What does a ‘bullet’  mean?

    Means that it is increasing in spins which is a positive. Even if a song goes down in the ranking (because it was passed by a song that is gaining faster), having a positive spincrease shows forward momentum. Likewise, when a song falls up the chart (higher rank due to songs going re-current or falling faster than it), the lack of spincrease shows that the song is stalling or falling.

    Thanks, Kirsten, for the explanation.:-) I often wondered, too, how this whole business of a song climbing the charts works.

  32. That’s excellent! Well, actually, I know diddly squat about radio, but it seems like a lot of stations so that’s good, lol.

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