Kris Allen: The Belated Live Like We’re Dying Cover

So what the eff? This is the cover for the Kris Allen single, “Live Like We’re Dying”?

Why wasn’t this gorgeous cover displayed with the single when the song debuted on iTunes?   Gah!   A nice big iTunes banner with THIS photo would have caught some attention. Seriously.   WTF Jive?

Kris’s album cover is pretty sweet too. Check it out HERE.

Download Kris’s Single ‘Live Like We’re Dying’  here:

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242 Comments

  1. Now I love this cover…I just think they got it mixed up. I think this should be the Album cover!!!!!!!!!!! and the Album cover should be the single cover. IMHO

  2. Yep, the cover of the single was a total Jive FAIL moment. It’s not a good sign and makes me worried for the album. You’re right, this pic is gorgeous and would have made a fabulous banner.

  3. Good picture. I didn’t know he played guitar on Live Like We’re Dying.

  4. OMG, this is so gorgeous. I like it even better than the album cover!

  5. Lovely. I don’t understand how Jive is handling Kris (and Allison) this season. You’d think this cover as a banner would have been priority #1 for the single. They really missed their moment.

    And Jive did a fine job with Archie and Jordin. I truly don’t get it.

  6. I actually prefer this to the album cover. But, really, all of the pics of Kris are very nice. He’s not ugly.

  7. Maybe getting sick interfered with the photo shoot. I dunno. Me likey, though!

  8. Great covers for both the single and album. Not sure why Jive is so late to the game.

  9. I truly don’t get it.

    I don’t get it either. When you have an artist this good looking, I think you should use that to your advantage. This picture really is an attention-getter.

  10. I don’t think Kris is a “hated” winner like Taylor. I think 19 likes him but its obvious that for a variety of reasons, he not getting the Class A rollout that Idol winners are usually guaranteed. I think he’ll get the “new artist” promo more than the “idol superstar” promo.

  11. This is a lovely cover. Really really nice. It speaks Kris Allen perfectly. It’s tender and thoughtful and quite introspective. It makes me wanna go back an look at it again, which is exactly what a cover should do.
    I wish they had used it for the album.

    WTF is going on with jive? Why so late with the cover? That’s very shoddy of them.

  12. In support of MJ’s comments, I will quote Kris Allen: exaaactly!
    I like that this one shows he plays guitar, and shows his nice arms. I’m waiting for a leak of a piano pic now…

  13. This should be his album cover. I don’t understand the be-lated thing. Could it because they postponed it intentionally for the add week?

  14. Oh, I agree – this should have been the album cover! Great great pic of Kris! And suits his vibe better by also showing the guitar.

    And I agree with MJ – I couldn’t believe the original single pic was so crappy and uninspired, and why they didn’t release the song originally with THIS image is beyond me (surely they could have scheduled things better during the tour to get a good photo shoot lined up in time).

    Still, it looks like Kris has some great pics coming out for the album!

  15. I love any pic that has Kris on it. He is one gorgeous looking guy, and so photogenic! The album pic is the best IMO.

  16. That is nice! I like that better than the album cover.

    ETA: It seems a good number of people feel the same

  17. I think he’ll get the ‘new artist’  promo more than the ‘idol superstar’  promo.

    Actually that doesn’t sound so bad to me. I never expected the superstar treatment for Kris, but I really do like the sound of “new artist”. I hope there’s something to this and that it works!

    Is it too late for this cover to go to itunes? I mean as a promo?

    This is an awesome single pic!!! I still think the album cover is great too! It’s still very eye-catching to me.

  18. Is that the bathroom door behind him? He better quit talking so much about peeing. LOL

    Other than that, it is a gorgeous picture (and Kris is a very good-looking guy), so it’s a shame it’s coming out so late in the process.

  19. Yes. Gorgeous. I guess the photoshoot wasn’t in time to use this at the song release, but hey it’s never too late Jive, just sayin’…

  20. OMG! He’s just soooo photogentic!!! (I realize this is no revelation, but just had to say that. lol.)

  21. I haven’t seen the word “cover” used in the same sentence as “LLWD” this much since Kris was interviewed by Seacrest.

  22. I think 19 likes him but its obvious that for a variety of reasons, he not getting the Class A rollout that Idol winners are usually guaranteed.

    Color me confused…by the way I love the colors on this song cover…but what guaranteed rollout items has Kris not received? I seem to have read that he has some nice gigs coming up, that he is working with some great writers on his album, that he was promoted with an I-tunes special “album” package, that he got the after idol gigs, that he got the prime spot on the Idol tour. What more did DC or Jordin, Taylor, Carrie, Fantasia, Rueben or Kelly get?

  23. If (or when!) his single picks up more spins they should put this image on an itunes add. Verrrry nice!

  24. I am fine w/Jive’s rollout so far. I like the “new artist” treatment, cause that’s what Kris is. And holy moly, if they can keep cranking out pics like these, I can forgive almost anything!

  25. This is a great picture. Its a shame it wasn’t used to promote the single when it first came out.

  26. halfie
    October 13, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    I haven’t seen the word ‘cover’  used in the same sentence as ‘LLWD’  this much since Kris was interviewed by Seacrest

    Oh jeez You went there!!!. :mrgreen:

  27. I’m having a hard time breathing ….

    In other news, LLWD has picked up 27 stations in the past two days..

  28. Kris has gotten a pretty terrible roll out compared to most past Idols. I didn’t really follow Jordin very closely but usually Idol first singles are events. They def don’t get released to iTunes on a Friday without even a banner. Adam is getting the AMA awards to preview his first single.
    I’m mean the difference between how the two singles are being handled is almost laughable.

    Last year Cook got the pre show at the AMAs. The winner always at least presents. Let’s see if Kris is anywhere in the vicinity. If Adam also gets SNL, the Rockefeller Tree Lighting, big New Year Eve’s show and some high profile NAs put a fork in Kris. He’s screwed.

  29. I think 19 likes him but its obvious that for a variety of reasons, he not getting the Class A rollout that Idol winners are usually guaranteed.

    DC didn’t get any more roll out than Kris at this stage, possibly less because LO didn’t premiere on the radio. The promotion he got was near the album release time.

  30. This should have been his album cover. It has more of a Kris feel, IMO.

  31. This should definitely have been his album cover. So much better than the one they chose.

  32. David Cook’s coronation single was featured on the Olympics and he had an Oprah gig. Also TOML was a very big AC hit. Cook was already on the radio before LO was released.

  33. Oh. My. Goodness! This one I LOVE! So much more like Kris. The album cover is OK, but this is terrific!

    ETA: Looks like a “Red Guitar” he’s holding…hmmm…subject of the song he wrote, I wonder???

  34. Taking the optimistic approach, if you all recall during the AI season Kris got the least amount of pimping and was not really considered a contender until Heartless. He went on to win. So though it may appear that he has not been given proper roll out, Kris is Kris, so never count him out because in the long run he may just surprise everyone again.

  35. I flove this picture. I do hope they put this one up on itunes. Now that the song is picking up stations and spins, maybe more people will spot the picture and buy the single *fingers crossed for Kris*.

  36. I’m seriously beginning to feel for Allen.

    I liked this single – much much more than Time For Miracles – but where has its publicity been?

    To me, it seems to have been shoved out like an afterthought.

    Allen wasn’t my favourite – I liked Allison on AI8, but I did like one or two of his performances.

    It doesn’t seem like he’s getting a fair shot. Is he doing any major publicity for his album?

  37. I think THAT should have been the album cover! Kris with his guitar —
    love, love, love this cover!

  38. Last year Cook got the pre show at the AMAs. The winner always at least presents. Let’s see if Kris is anywhere in the vicinity. If Adam also gets SNL, the Rockefeller Tree Lighting, big New Year Eve’s show and some high profile NAs put a fork in Kris. He’s screwed.

    Don’t worry he will be fine.

  39. dhunken, this is exactly what I’m counting on.

    Also, 27 adds over the past couple of days? This sounds good to me…is it?

  40. Not worried one bit! To me, things are looking pretty good for Kris right now, and I don’t know where the hand wringing is coming from!

  41. This is a gorgeous picture– i like it so much better than the album cover photo, which I find a little cold. This captures Kris better — the t-shirt, the guitar, the warm colors. Just beautiful.

  42. LLWD is up to 30 adds now, and was also just played on “As the World Turns” for a party scene.

  43. ETA: Looks like a ‘Red Guitar’  he’s holding’ ¦hmmm’ ¦subject of the song he wrote, I wonder???

    It’s the Les Paul that Gibson gave him after the Idol finale. They always hand out some Gibson product placement guitars for the Idol tour. It’s not red. I’m pretty sure it’s a sunburst Les Paul.

    He’s been playing a Gibson acoustic, too.

    Taylor Hicks got a red ES-355 that he used on the Beatles song during the Tour. I’m sure Cook must have gotten a couple of freebies, too. Nice chotskie’s. Those things are expensive as heck.

  44. This is a great cover. I love it. I really think it captures the essence of who Kris is as an artist.

  45. Wonderful cover.

    Adam is getting the AMA awards to preview his first single.

    I hope not since the AMA awards are 2 days before his album comes out. Now, the AMA performance will be great promotion for his album, but his single should have been out for a while by then.

    I liked this single ‘“ much much more than Time For Miracles ‘“ but where has its publicity been?

    I think its hard to compare TFM with the other singles because of the movie connection. Its publicity is directly connected to that of a movie will a very expensive ad campaign. We’ll have to wait and see what sort of promotion Adam’s real single will get.

  46. Why wasn’t this gorgeous cover displayed with the single when the song debuted on iTunes? Gah! A nice big iTunes banner with THIS photo would have caught some attention. Seriously. WTF Jive?

    What an awesome cover. I agree totally MJ. The cover that we saw when LLWD first went to i-tunes reminded me of KLC’s cover for her single “Fifteen Minutes Of Shame” in terms of the absence of a pic for the cover.

    I gotta go with jpfan’s observations here in terms of “winner” rollout. I think it’s pretty crappy imo.

  47. For Kris, it is always his music that lifts him to the top, IMO. Who knew Kris will do Heartless and kick Danny out of the top 2 after Kara the Dioguardi gave her lousy critique?
    So far, I believe Kris is okay and I rather Jive treat him like a new artist than to treat him as a star and fail. Good promo really helps even if it is the tinniest, but in the end the music is what will draw people to buy. Here is to hoping his album is great. That’s all Kris needs now and not necesarily big time promo.

  48. mmk28
    As you can see from this interview http://www.accesshollywood.com/_video_1159377 this photo was taken the day LLWD debuted on Z100.

    Wait the album photoshoot was on the day LLWD was released? I wonder if the shoot schedule had to be adjusted due to Kris getting sick? Or if they ran into some other kind of conflict?

  49. jpfan….Since I’m not an insider I don’t have a clue what the “winner” of AI gets outside of a recording contract. I seem to recall each winner and many runner-ups getting different gigs and promos and “events” and I always thought these were in conjunction with the individual Idols PR and management teams. I didn’t know that there were/are part of the winners contract.

    And, yes, I feel that there have been missteps with Kris’ promo. Are these sabotage…my answer would be what is the point. Jive is going to recap their expenses (and you can’t tell me that Kris’ songwriting/producing team hasn’t been expensive) out of the profits of the album. So unless Kris sells and sells well nobody is going to make a dime.

    And the AI franchise really does want to keep their show moving along. And having a winner crash and burn isn’t exactly good PR for the show, that is why I am always so hesitant to lay Taylor’s demise at AIs feet. Besides, we only speculate on all the things that go on. If an event doesn’t extend an invitation to Kris whose fault is that…and we have already determined that it is an anti-trust violation for 19, as representatives of both Kris and other Idols, to withhold the services of any other idol if Kris is not the performer of choice.

  50. Winning American Idol is a very big thing. The reward is great promotion for your album. UNLESS you’re not the one they think should have won. The tip off is when Simon says you didn’t deserve to win. He’s only done that twice: Hicks and Kris. It’s pretty obvious that Adam is getting the winner’s promo.

    I mean Kris is perfectly capable of reading. He could have had the AMA gig today. But he didn’t get it. Last year Cook was treated as the winner. Archie got the runner up promo. Things be different this year.

  51. Dukylon

    I think Lambert is already getting way more publicity than Allen and nobody even knows what his first single will be yet.

    I’m not disputing his publicity (plenty of people are nuts for him) even if I’m indifferent to it – just wondering where Allen’s is…

    Time For Miracles, the snippet, is dreck IMO – but clearly there are plenty of people who disagree: different strokes and all that.

  52. LLWD is up to 30 adds now,

    Wow. That’s an impressive number of adds for two days. Usually, I caution fans that add dates are not panaceas and not to expect much of a difference, but this song is getting a lot of traction from its add date. Now, let’s just hope that they spin the darn song.

    and was also just played o ‘As the World Turns’  for a party scene.

    Those soaps sure love their Idols.

    In other news, Kris sure is photogenic (and that photographer sure seems to be in love with his right jaw line).

  53. Adam is getting the AMA awards to preview his first single.
    I’m mean the difference between how the two singles are being handled is almost laughable.

    Adam’s single will be released before then, one hopes, as the show is 11/22, IIRC.

    And I think Kris is getting enough promotion and gigs that the winners get. Things that Cook got weren’t necessarily because of AI, but because of events, like TOML being part of the Olympics, so Oprah, etc.

    That being said, I think Jive is kind of worrying with the small things. Like not having ANY picture for Kris’s single at first, just that Commie block pint thing. Or for Allison, her single being avail at Amazon and iTunes for a bit before being yanked.

    But Kris is doing fine with getting this song promoted, premiring it on Z100, where he’s now doing extremely well with spins. Doing Ryan’s show to promote the single, lots of shows. And 30 more stations added to playing it in just two days and being on a soap? cool!

    Regarding the picture, excellent picture and yeah, much more Kris than the other one and he looks great and very him.

  54. Great picture of Kris. He looks fantastic. Too bad they didn’t have this done earlier.

  55. That is a great start for Kris. Maybe Jive can get the job done on radio for him.

  56. Why in the *world* didn’t they put this out as soon as the song comes out?

    And, yeah, I know the conspiracy theories about him being deep-sixed because they didn’t want him as winner …. But a) aren’t Adam and Kris on two different record labels, and how could it possibly serve Jive’s purposes to harm their own label performer’s chances? and b) If their being co-managed by 19 is part of this since the 19/AI folks wanted Adam or Danny to win instead, then wouldn’t Kris have some kind of legal complaint against his *management* who might be working behind the scenes to do things not in his best interest?

    Or is this just some stupid flub by Jive and not deliberate after all? And, if it is, what kind of dummies are they?

    And, also — yet another gorgeous picture of Kris. Very nice.

  57. Kris has gotten a pretty terrible roll out compared to most past Idols. I didn’t really follow Jordin very closely but usually Idol first singles are events. They def don’t get released to iTunes on a Friday without even a banner. Adam is getting the AMA awards to preview his first single.
    I’m mean the difference between how the two singles are being handled is almost laughable.

    Last year Cook got the pre show at the AMAs. The winner always at least presents. Let’s see if Kris is anywhere in the vicinity. If Adam also gets SNL, the Rockefeller Tree Lighting, big New Year Eve’s show and some high profile NAs put a fork in Kris. He’s screwed.

    ITA. I hate to come across as a tin foil hat crazy here, but something about Kris’s roll out is so far off, so wrong, I am starting to wonder if — contrary to all common sense and self interest — Jive isn’t trying to deliberately screw Kris. Could be that the egos that be on Idol are not beneath exerting their influence in order to “prove” to America that they voted for the wrong person? Who has their first single released on a Friday with no ads, no fan fare and no cover art? Will his albums be distributed by mule train?

    If this isn’t deliberate, the incompetence of the team handling Kris at Jive is staggering.

  58. Where are you getting 30 adds. I see about 10 adds for HAC and 0 adds on CHR for LLWD so far today.

    Mediabase Add Report for LLWAD

    Yesterday (10):
    KCDU, Hot AC, Monterey-Salinas
    KLLY, Hot AC, Bakersfield
    KLTG, Hot AC, Corpus Christi
    KPEK, Hot AC, Albuquerque
    KSAS, Top 40, Boise
    KVLY, Hot AC, McAllen
    KWYE, Hot AC, Fresno
    WCDA, Hot AC, Lexington
    WGER, Hot AC, Saginaw
    WKDD, Hot AC, Akron

    Today (20):
    KBEA, Top 40, Quad Cities
    KCHZ, Rhythmic, Kansas City
    KFRH, Top 40, Las Vegas
    KHIT, Top 40, Tulsa
    KMCK, Top 40, Fayetteville
    KMXV, Top 40, Kansas City
    KQXY, Top 40, Beaumont
    KRBE, Top 40, Houston
    KRCK, Top 40, Palsm Springs
    WAOA, Top 40, Melbourne,
    WHHY, Top 40, Montgomery
    WHOT, Top 40, Youngstown
    WMGB, Top 40, Macon
    WPIA, Top 40, Peoria
    WTWR, Top 40, Toledo
    WVYB, Top 40, Daytona Beach
    WWCK, Top40, Flint
    WWWG, Top 40, Atlanta
    WXXX, Top 40, Burlington
    WZYP, Top 40, Huntsville

    Total (including previous days): 47

  59. I agree with everyone who said this should be his album cover. It’s just a much better photo of him and more of what I expected.

    I have a disconnect with the picture for this single, as Kris said he didn’t record any of the instrumentals on the single. Holding a guitar is great – for the album. This is a WTF?! moment for me.

  60. This is much better than the album cover. This would make a great album cover. oops! Looks like I am just agreeing with everyone else. LOL!

  61. Kirsten
    October 13, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    Where are you getting 30 adds. I see about 10 adds for HAC and 0 adds on CHR for LLWD so far today.

    Mediabase Add Report for LLWAD

    So … I look at this and see… about 10 … and all the ones I see are auto adds. Am I looking in the wrong place? Can you explain where we see the adds on this chart, Kirsten?

  62. I’m not a longtime Idol watcher, so maybe that makes a difference to my perspective. But as a S7 and S8 watcher, I’m having a hard time accepting theories of mistreatment and favoritism here vis-a-vis Kris and Adam. It seems to me, at some level, the person, their popularity and charisma — and the music itself — will ultimately drive the cart.

    That said, I do remember last year seeing the runner up’s single launched with great hoopla on Z100 while the winner’s received much less fanfare upon release. Now, even I can admit that Crush was to be a much more current sounding and popular song than LO, which I can only assume had some other purpose for its release. Bygones…

    BTW, to me, citing TOML doesn’t get us very far, since there’s nothing to compare seeing how Kris abandoned NoBo (and rightly so.) And, for better or worse, TOML had magical qualities (and rainbows) that sold itself inexplicably, or so it seemed. It’s timing, and resulting success seemed more destiny and cosmic (to me) than brilliantly conducted PR.

    OTOH, America sure likes an underdog and relishes every opportunity to get behind someone who seems somehow wronged. A few years back that was Daughtry. Now, it could very well be Adam. On the bright side, if “this” keeps up, who knows maybe one day it will be Kris. :-)

  63. Could be that the egos that be on Idol are not beneath exerting their influence in order to ‘prove’  to America that they voted for the wrong person?

    Doubt it. All they see is $$$ they don’t care who won. Kris is bankable, they are not going to throw that away.

  64. Like many here, I think this is even better than the album cover. So far, however, both iTunes and Amazon still have the old photo-less cover art on their pages. I hope that will change eventually. The sooner the better.

  65. Thanks for the link. That’s a great start. Jordin is right behind him with 23 for SOS (lots of the same stations as well.) Jive is good at working radio. :)

  66. I’m not too worried about conspiracy theories or anything like that. I think it’s only natural that Kris and Adam will get promoted differently because they’re different types of performers.

    This new cover to me supports the theory that Jive was holding off the heavy promotion of LLWD until now (possibly so that Kris could finish up his part of the album) and we’ll start seeing an upswing pretty soon.

  67. Well, I didn’t comment on Kris’ album cover yesterday because it struck me as so not Kris (and if you can’t say something nice…). But this cover captures Kris’ authenticity so beautifully, it just gives me great “I want to buy this” vibes. Kris’ single is just starting to become known, and this cover should help move it up the charts.

  68. fadetowhite

    Sorry, I didn’t want to make it sound like Adam wasn’t getting any publicity. Although, you do have to consider that a good deal of Adam’s publicity isn’t actually coming from RCA or 19, its coming from websites that are writing articles just for the hits of obsessive fans.

    My point wasn’t about the quality of Time For Miracles and whether it deserves praise or not, but that at least some of the publicity for TFM has less to do with Adam and more to do with 2012. That makes it hard to compare to Kris and Allison’s single.

    Hopefully Jive is just holding back now, so that when Kris and Allison’s albums come out, their singles will have been on the radio for a while. Then they can have a big media push with recognizable original music.

  69. Okay, *now* I see the adds — you look over at the end of the rows at the *dates*!!! I never thought to look there! Duh….

  70. I agree with everyone who said this should be his album cover. It’s just a much better photo of him and more of what I expected.

    I disagree with everyone who said that — I love the album cover. It’s a sexier picture. This is a good picture but it’s not an album cover to me. And if you read the comments on ontd_ai you’d see the album cover is very, very popular.
    Ahem.

    I think Jive’s plan was to start the big push for the single now, with the add dates. Hence the things that are happening in concurrence with the adds — like this picture, and people getting who have the iTunes pass getting the single yesterday — as well as the album cover appearing yesterday. I don’t think it’s a screw up or a screw-you in any way. It seems very well planned.

  71. So ‘ ¦ I look at this and see’ ¦ about 10 ‘ ¦ and all the ones I see are auto adds. Am I looking in the wrong place? Can you explain where we see the adds on this chart, Kirsten?

    You might have to clear your cache. The adds are there.

  72. There’s no conspiracy. I think 19 likes Kris. But there are certain promotional events that are traditionally given to the winner. Events around the AMA for one. As in Cook did the pre show last year. This year that gig goes to Adam. And that’s before he’s even had a single released.
    Other gigs the winner got last year: Saturday Night Live, Rockefeller Tree Lighting, Oprah, heavy promo on AI itself.

  73. This new cover to me supports the theory that Jive was holding off the heavy promotion of LLWD until now (possibly so that Kris could finish up his part of the album) and we’ll start seeing an upswing pretty soon.

    That is probably true about the heavy promotion only beginning around now, but I must say I don’t think that changing covers a couple of weeks after something comes out exactly sounds like a bright move! Sounds mainly just confusing and confused, to me.

    I mean, if you’re going to put the song out, then put the right cover on it before you do — even if you *are* going to start the heavy promotion later. I don’t see that setting a somewhat delayed date date for heavy promotion and having a consistent — good — album cover for a song the whole time it’s out there available for sale are at odds at all! Not to do that just sounds like bad planning, to me.

  74. That’s a great start. Jordin is right behind him with 23 for SOS (lots of the same stations as well.) Jive is good at working radio. How can Kris be an underdog if he won Idol?

    You’re right, he’s not the underdog and I don’t see him as such, nor that, small stuff aside, that Jive isn’t doing right by him. Nor that Kris isn’t doing well so far either.

    So yeah, I never get the idea that the bus is always out to get Kris. The season is over, Simon Cowell isn’t there anymore. Jive will want to make money off of Kris and aren’t going to let random egos not even associated with them, get in the way of that. And given all those radio add ons, how well the song is doing on a station as major as Z100, I think Kris is fine.

  75. You might have to clear your cache. The adds are there.

    Yep, I’ve got them now. Thanks, Kirsten.

    And the news is good there for Kris. Hurrah!

  76. Wait the album photoshoot was on the day LLWD was released? I wonder if the shoot schedule had to be adjusted due to Kris getting sick? Or if they ran into some other kind of conflict?

    No, the day it was debuted, not released (based on the OP). I guess the production of photos take some time…?

    I know nothing about these things, other than what I read here, but it seems to me 19 decides who and what they are going to get behind the most. They didn’t get behind Kelly when she put out her third album, correct. Did they have anything to do with this album? I know this seems OT, but I have a lot of questions in regards to how they promote their artists, which of course includes Kris.

  77. Q3: I think THAT should have been the album cover! Kris with his guitar ‘”
    love, love, love this cover!

    ^^^ITA. I wasn’t crazy about the real album cover when I saw it last night. Slept on it and looked at it several times today, and I still don’t love it. But then, I see this picture and I LOVE it! Wishing this was the album cover for all the reasons folks have already stated: the guitar, the warm colors, the t-shirt, the “Kris” vibe, his pretty face, etc. I had high hopes for his song “Red Guitar” to be the title of the album, too, and this would have fit nicely with that. Oh boy…what is JIVE up to? sigh….

  78. Duklyon – yeah, I get what you’re saying about Time For Miracles and the movie publicity.

    I just think that with the AMA’s and other reported comments/interviews, Lambert is a lot more visible at the moment.

    Hopefully, Allen’s and Allison’s albums will get going later on, but, as of yet, it will be pretty much unaided by Jive. Certainly, Allen’s song, thanks to The Script, is a good one, so I think it stands a good chance of taking off, if it gains traction on the radio.

    It makes me more interested in seeing what his album might be like and I wasn’t that interested coming off AI8, so that must be a good thing.

  79. What are the chances that the original timeline had today as the ‘on sale’ date for LLWD? Perhaps fears about pirated copies or something caused things to be moved up at the last minute, hence the temporary single cover.

    If today had been the original on sale date, it all makes sense… cover art is available, add dates are this week, only minor promo since the debut picking up this week now that Kris has more time to devote to it.

  80. When does the report come out that shows sales for last week? Isn’t it usually here by now??

  81. Other gigs the winner got last year: Saturday Night Live, Rockefeller Tree Lighting, Oprah, heavy promo on AI itself.

    But those are not necessarily winner things, those were David Cook things. Not like previous AI winners have been getting these every year, because they haven’t. Again, unique situation for Cook due to his song getting chosen for the Olympics and all the attendant stuff from that, plus it’s being popular/selling well. Other AI winners haven’t done Oprah. And the SNL thing was tied to the elections, yes? So again, Kris wouldn’t be part of the SNL theme with that.

    And plus no offense, but Cook is a really charming guy, very quick witted and funny guy. I think Kris is funny, but he’s not as gregarious and immediately funny as Cook is. YMMV, but I think that Cook just has a natural easiness and charm that made him more of an immediate fit for some things.

  82. It’s a beautiful picture of a beautiful man, and I’m not worried in the least about his roll-out. Yes, it was a screw-up not to have this cover ready when the single was released to iTunes. I don’t know how or why that happened, but it was a screw-up. But I do NOT think it or the Friday release were sabotage. I think everybody is different, Jive has a plan and a schedule they’re sticking to, and the number of radio adds and spins are excellent. The Napa thing + Bosom Ball is good, plus the gig with the Fray in Chicago the first week in December. He has a lot to do to put together a band (even if it’s just a backing band) and rehearse with them to put a set (even if it’s a small set) together, as well as whatever radio promo he’s doing. He’s also getting good promo from MTV and EW, and if he gets a video out soon, that will provide more promo.

    I think Jive is promoting and presenting him as a new artist, looking to push him away from AI connections or comparisons ASAP (pretty much like they did with Jordin and Archie) and I don’t see anything wrong with that. And in terms of the AI winner’s supposed package of promo — it seems to be different with each and every one of them. Clay got the cover of Rolling Stone well before Ruben. I don’t think Cook, Kelly or Carrie have ever appeared on the cover of RS, so that is clearly not a winner’s perk. All I know of is the WalMart thing, which Kris did, Ford Day for winner and runner-up, which they did, the tree-lighting thing at Rockefeller Center, which hasn’t happened yet, and maybe the Disney parade for Christmas. Last year, Archie did that, though. There was also a tie-in to the Disney Idol Experience thingee, for which all seven winners showed up. I think Kris may be required to do that, too. (Appear at Disney World, I mean. Not with the seven others.)

    I think Cook was the only one to get SNL while he was still the reigning Idol. That may be true of the AMA, as well. Archie did the Z100 premiere and a bunch of Jingle Balls last year that Cook didn’t do. Hicks got People Magazine’s Bachelor of the Year or some such nonsense that nobody else has had.

    Other than that, it’s been different for each of them, with a lot dependent on when the first single drops, what markets it fits, etc.

  83. Are there any theories for why the single is slow to add on the West Coast? Very few stations have added it, and I have yet to hear it in Seattle, although I just heard a promo for “American Idol” Anthony Federov who apparently is touring in a play. Sorry for your life but he’s not the American Idol.

    The only Northwest station to have added it is a Christian station in Portland that added it very early.

  84. Winning American Idol is a very big thing. The reward is great promotion for your album. UNLESS you’re not the one they think should have won. The tip off is when Simon says you didn’t deserve to win. He’s only done that twice: Hicks and Kris. It’s pretty obvious that Adam is getting the winner’s promo.

    I mean Kris is perfectly capable of reading. He could have had the AMA gig today. But he didn’t get it. Last year Cook was treated as the winner. Archie got the runner up promo. Things be different this year.

    I’m beginning to agree with you, jpfan. What Kris is getting so far doesn’t feel like “the winner’s treatment” to me. What gigs has Kris received so far that are on the level of the AMAs? None.

  85. Oh, and I said the same things (the roll-out is fine, the company is doing its job just fine, don’t despair, the sky isn’t falling) last year when people were bemoaning Cook’s fate and getting all fussy about how the 19 people wanted Archie to win and Jive was giving him all the promo and attention and Cook was invisible except for that stupid rainbow which was going to ruin his career 4-eva. Seriously. Same bat time, same bat channel.

  86. I agree that Jive participating in conspiracy makes no sense. But neither does the way his single was released. I can’t think of a single good reason for how LLYD was released. Either TPTB are Machiavellian or Jive is shockingly incompetent. It may be a stretch — and I freely admit it is — to cry conspiracy. However, it is no stretch at all to say that a Friday release with cheap looking art and no ads is, at best, amateurish.

    I really do like the new single cover. I can only hope that it is a sign that someone over at Jive finally woke up and started working out some promo for Kris.

  87. I’m beginning to agree with you, jpfan. What Kris is getting so far doesn’t feel like ‘the winner’s treatment’  to me. What gigs has Kris received so far that are on the level of the AMAs? None.

    What channel are the AMAs on? Is it Fox? Is that why they usually include an AI person in the ceremony? Is anyone sure 19 has any pull whatsoever in getting either Kris or Adam gigs for the AMA? It’s very possible they do, but does anyone know this as a fact. Perhaps the AMA organizers just wanted Adam and it has nothing to do with AI.

  88. I agree with those who say today, with the official add date, was supposed to be the big push for the single. They may have only been able to get the previous date for z100 and rather than not debut with the number 1 radio station in the country, they decided to start with a small radio tour early. Maybe a larger banner will come to itunes also (I just noticed Carrie has a huge one for her single). By the way, they seem to play the song quite often on z100 – and during prime times also, not just in the middle of the night.

  89. Jpfan,
    I believe the promo at 19E has more to do with the label than 19E itself. David Cook is with RCA like Adam, so I wouldn’t be suprised if Adam gets all the promo David had last year. Kris will get all that Archie got too. At least that is how I know it works.

  90. Kris has 30 adds because 19R/Jive is 100% behind him. Believing anything else is not supported by any facts. Has 19R made the best decisions about everything — I don’t think so and have been very vocal that LLWD wasn’t the best song choice but we don’t know what else Kris had recorded.

    Kris did the whole post-Idol winners’ tour, did promo radio events to support LLWD, and has announced concert dates. The 19 part of Kris promotion is almost identical to David Cook’s and Jordin’s promos.

    On the other hand, today was the first day Adam has even done an interview since the end-of-the tour interviews. RCA didn’t even announce “TBD” album was on preorder. All the buzz has been organic not created by RCA or 19 (although I am sure they are not complaining.)

    I think that Kris seems happy and is enjoying getting to record his first album, he will get to tour doing his own music, I think in the end Kris will do fine.

  91. They probably didn’t use this photo because it was part of the album photoshoot, which happened after the premiere of the song on radio, right? When they were releasing the single, they probably were still combing through these. That’d be my guess.

    Also, I don’t think Jive is dropping the ball. They’ve done a fair bit for Kris in regards to setting him up with radio promo. I think they released the single on iTunes the way they did was to suss out his more hardcore base. I could be off, but that could be a possibility. The window where you could buy Allison’s single was more ridiculous, in my opinion. However, now it looks like it will get more radio airplay.

    Honestly, I’m not a hardcore Idol stan or anything, so I cannot recall what happened when or who got what back in the day, but I don’t think it’s a matter of bussing Kris (why would Jive do that and lose money on purpose?) but industry demands and buzz outside the AI bubble. That’s all. I don’t think you can compare what Kris is getting to Adam, or even what David Cook got.

  92. Last year Cook got the pre show at the AMAs.

    I never jumped on any banter like ‘Kris is not getting the winner treatment / Adam is getting more as runner-up” or similar stuff,

    BUT what I just read from JPfan really pissed me off. That’s not fair..

  93. Ok One more time. When do we get to see the sales figures from last week. I’m not only interested in Kris, but want to see how Jordin and jason did.

  94. And I hope Adam was not aware of that or i would have a much lesser opinion of him

  95. I like this photo a lot. Kris is so handsome. And I like LLWD (the more I hear it, the more I’m into it; I got it from iTunes last night). And I’m looking forward to the album.

    luv, I like the man in the mirror picture, too, but it’s hard for Kris to take a bad pic (tho glad to see he lost the plaid; nice for the weekends, but not for promo shots, IMO). I hope the album does really well, and I am not comparing it to anyone else’s record. I really do hope Jive is behind him and will market him appropriately.

    ETA:

    And I hope Adam was not aware of that or i would have a much lesser opinion of him.

    I don’t understand what he needed to be aware of.

  96. It was really bad that Kris had to release the cover of another band’s song. A lot ot critics already call Idols karoke machines. Too bad, but Adam is a tremendous singer.

  97. I don’t buy into any conspiracy theories that Jive isn’t promoting Kris. This is a business arrangement – Kris is extremely marketable and they would be total fools not to promote him in the way they feel is best. Kris and Adam have polar opposite public personas – Adam will be great on TV for the AMA’s with “dancing and costumes” or however it was that he described it (can’t remember the exact quote) – he is a fantastic entertainer and this makes sense for his career path.

    Kris will get the promotion that best suits him as a new artist. Jive seems to be promoting the single for the long-haul, not just a quick hit. LLWD has moved to the #10 spot on the Z100 playlist as of last night, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he is announced as part of their Jingle Bell lineup soon.

    These are two separate and distinct personalities and artists. Only in an alternate universe would it make sense to promote them identically or even very similarly, IMO.

  98. I think Kris is funny, but he’s not as gregarious and immediately funny as Cook is. YMMV, but I think that Cook just has a natural easiness and charm that made him more of an immediate fit for some things.

    I tell you, it’s the theater background. Didn’t Cook get a college scholarship in Musical Theater, but swtiched later to Graphic Arts? Adam’s theater backgound is part of his charm. Both Cook and Adam know how to sell a show/themselves.

  99. Is there anywhere besides mediabase to look to see if a particular radio station adds a song? I searched for Los Angeles radio stations, but evidently NONE of them are reported by (or report to) mediabase.

  100. The #2 station in Montreal just added LLWD – I didn’t think Canadian stations showed up on this chart, so that is fun news. BTW, they are HAC.

  101. undercook, suebrody, I was refering to what JPfan said earlier. That last year Cook was the one at the AMA thing. It really seems to me that ‘s the winner privilege to do that. So if Adam was aware of that, he should have decline

  102. And although I don’t believe 19/Jive are trying to throw Kris under the bus, I do wonder why this single cover wasn’t ready when the song was relased? That seems very strange — because this photo would definitely generate more interest than the weird block lettering thing they put on the dummy single cover. Especially if Jive sprung for a front page banner ad on iTunes with this picture

  103. The #2 station in Montreal just added LLWD ‘“ I didn’t think Canadian stations showed up on this chart, so that is fun news. BTW, they are HAC.

    Really?! good!! I got to check that out!!! :)

  104. It’s possible Jive didn’t suggest Kris to the people who produce the AMA’s. Or it’s possible the AMA people came to RCA/19 and asked about Adam. It’s an awards show — the producers of the show are the ones who pick who they want on it. Doesn’t have anything to do with who did or didn’t win Idol…

  105. undercook, suebrody, I was refering to what JPfan said earlier. That last year Cook was the one at the AMA thing. It really seems to me that ‘s the winner privilege to do that. So if Adam was aware of that, he should have decline

    Adam would be sabatoging himself if he did that. Perhaps Cook was invited because the AMA folks wanted Cook and it had nothing to do with being the winner of AI?

  106. I’m confushed, MJ: How do we know this is the art for the new single?
    I just got my download today (as part of the iTunes pass) and it has the old art. And if you follow your links, you get the old art too.

    Sorry, I don’t normally don a tinfoil hat, but Kris’s roll-out is being handled unbelievably badly. Not only did they drop the new single on a Friday, they offered no banner ad and then, in essence, punished those who’d bought the pass by making them wait for two weeks to get the single.

    I voted for Adam to win, but I liked Kris and Allison, as well, and I just gotta say, Jive has completely dropped the ball on the two of them. Allison’s single actually got pulled before a lot of folks had a chance to buy it. It’s still not back on iTunes!

    Adam is very deserving of first-class promotion, but so are Kris and Allison, IMHO. I can’t wait to hear Slezak’s reaction!

  107. I agree with everyone who things this is a great pic. With all the photo shoots Kris had done from the time he won all the way through the tour 19/Jive could have found a decent pic to put up on iTunes when his single was released. They could have gone to any number of photo studios to get something that would better represent Kris. To introduce a new artist and not show his face is inexcusable on 19/Jive’s part. Maybe now, they will attempt a do over and try to re-introduce Kris to the masses with better promotion.

  108. Mtlfan — seriously? Adam should have declined to perform on the AMAs, a nationally televised event occurring 2 days before his album drops, because last year David Cook performed on the show?!? Should Daughtry decline their awards/noms because Taylor won AI that year? Should JHud decline to sing on AI because Fantasia won her year? There are NO “winners privileges” other than a guaranteed recording contract, a trophy and a title — there are apparently a few obligations (such as Wal-Mart conference, some Disney AI experience things) — and I guess you get to sing on the finale of the following season. But that is it. Kris is gonna do things that make sense for his career and image, and Adam and the other S8 contestants will do the same. Kris seems to be doing pretty good so far, as does Adam as does Allison.

  109. It’s an awards show ‘” the producers of the show are the ones who pick who they want on it. Doesn’t have anything to do with who did or didn’t win Idol’ ¦

    you may be right girlygirl, can’t deny that. If it’sall AMA, it’s then a nice little slap in Kris face

  110. Mtlfan…

    I think that people are getting really, really confused about what winning American Idol means. It may seem that there are traditional things that an Idol winner is “given” to do that is connected to his/her crown…but in reality there ISN’T ANYTHING. And I don’t think any Idol has read the nominations at the AMAs before so why should Adam have to decline this in favor of Kris. And performing at the show has never been connected with an Idol win…Kelly didn’t do it, nor did Carrie or Taylor, or Jordin. And DC was asked to perform on the red carpet prior to the show last year…and that had never been done.

    So all of these THINGS that are said to be connected with winning American Idol are really not proven by past experience. So no, this gig wasn’t a Kris gig that was stolen from him by Adam. Adam was asked and he did it and will be doing it…simple as that.

    eta: and as far as this being a slap in Kris face…I don’t think Kris feels this way nor should he. And, you know that the people running the AMAs don’t really care who won or lost American Idol. They are looking for a certain type of talent or person…and for this gig it was apparently Adam.

  111. I didn’t follow AMA preshow before DC got it, it didn’t strike me as a given for the winner (did Jordin do it?) It’s possible this is an RCA connection, just like the Z100 debut seems to be a Jive connection.

    As for the rollout for LLWD, for some reason (of all the things a Kris fan can stress about) I’m not stressed about that…imo what matters is how the song finishes, not how it begins and it seems to be on good track for radio.

    Mtlfan, the AMA is one appearance, Kris (AND Adam AND Allison — hopefully) will have many.

  112. dont push the thing too far nmb… you’re right Adam should not have decline this.
    With girlygirl comment I realized it’s at AMA that I was pissed. But again, are they really to be blamed for sticking to the one who’s getting most media attention. No! business is business

  113. Agree with you Tess, I was frustrated, as i said earlier, for nothing. I’m glad Adam got that. And I wish they had ask Kris but the nature of thing makes Adam the one to do this. Kris will do fine otherwise

  114. Am a big Kris fan, but I don’t think Adam should have to give up something this big just because Kris didn’t get the same thing. There not going to get the same gigs all the time. Am sure Kris is very happy that Adam is doing so fantasic. Kris wants to be able to put out music for his fans to be able to enjoy and his doing it. I love his single LLWD and his getting alot of ads. I think jive is doing fine by him. Just got things wrong on when they should have released LLWD to i-tunes.

  115. undercook, suebrody, I was refering to what JPfan said earlier. That last year Cook was the one at the AMA thing. It really seems to me that ‘s the winner privilege to do that. So if Adam was aware of that, he should have decline

    The AMAs are not part of the AI winners package. It’s a one off deal based on whomever the people in charge of the AMAs want. Sure they like choosing some AI people to present and perform as well, depending on how well they’re doing on the charts, like Clay doing his thing year ago. But it isn’t part of the package. Just like SNL isn’t and Ophrah isnt. Those are also one offs that winners previous to Cook, didn’t get either. So not like Kris isn’t getting something that is part of what winners have gotten. He has gotten those things, the gamut of the talk shows that Adam didn’t get, because Kris won. Disney show and promos and Walmart promos, and he’s booked for several shows, so he’s getting what AI winners get.

    Other stuff like AMAs, Oprah, SNL are one offs for Idol people, but not part of the deal for just the winner.

  116. ccagain,

    It was really bad that Kris had to release the cover of another band’s song.

    Can you post the link to this other band cover?

  117. If you think about it…when the touring starts Kris is going to be in a lot better position financially then Adam. His expenses to tour will be pretty miniscule, like DC…just a band, a bus, and a guitar. So he’ll be raking in a lot more profit. Styles of singing have their advantages in a lot of different ways.

  118. ilovekrisallen39, truthiness, yeah you’re both right. I posted this too fast. I got really the impression that it was the AI winner priviliege to do the AMA gig; but that was WRONG!!!
    So as I said earlier, I changed my mind about this. Sorry for that and I find it great now that Adam did that

  119. Adam is getting big buzz now and 19M arranged this sweet gig for him at the AMAs. It’s a win/win possibly for 19 and Disney (who own ABC).
    And 19/Disney are partners in other idol related ventures. So I think to assume 19 had no part in the deal is kind of naive.

    It looks like Jive is getting the job done for Kris on the radio. And I think 19 likes Kris. So hopefully he’ll get some decent promo.

  120. Love this picture! I may actually buy the physical CD when it comes out, just for all of the album art, haha.

    And the AI franchise really does want to keep their show moving along. And having a winner crash and burn isn’t exactly good PR for the show, that is why I am always so hesitant to lay Taylor’s demise at AIs feet.

    They had someone else to promote that year: Chris Daughtry. Therefore, Taylor not doing well really wasn’t in the forefront.

    I’m on the fence with the promotion for Kris…I don’t think he’s getting completely screwed over by Jive, although there are some inconsistencies. OTOH, Adam’s promotion is insane…featured in a movie…AMAs performance without a single even announced yet…I get that he’s the male version of Lady Gaga (but he can actually sing), but c’mon!

    ETA: Hah! That Best Week Ever link is pretty funny. Also, if anyone knows who the celeb wedding planner David Tutera is, Adam is totally going to be his twin in 10 years. The similarity is killing me. That BWE picture brought it to mind for sure.

  121. Kris and Adam are completely two diferent types of artists. I think Adam should do the AMAS over Kris for entertaiment reasons. I perfer Kris for my music tastes but I know on awards you want flash and that is just not Kris and there is nothing wrong with that.

  122. I haven’t not yet commented on the LLWD cover… IT’S GORGEOUS!!

    Jive really miss on the release date for date.. booh to them

    jpfan, I was on your wagon until 15 minutes, but when you do realize that AMA is going to go for the artist who’s getting the more attention, the Adam comes in naturally. It’s a no brainer and it’s a business thing

  123. gee, i should reread myself before posting…

    Jive really miss on the release date for this gorgeous cover.. booh to them

    on another note, i think it might not have been a good cover album. If the album is not much acoustic, why would that be the cover?

  124. Thanks, girlygirl and Eileen.

    I am puzzled as to why my HAC station didn’t add it (mix104.1 in Boston). They lurrrve Kris…

  125. 19M can’t arrange to have someone on the AMAs. The AMA Producers (Dick Clark Productions) select who to invite to perform and presents — and they have 1 goal: ratings!

    And no one from Idol was ever a performer on the AMA Red Carpet Live show before David Cook. (That was also produced by Dick Clark Productions.) And David got that because he was very popular and had great demos — 1 goal: ratings!

    19M and 19R can fund radio promotions and concerts but they cannot buy DCP or ABC-TV

  126. I think Kris and Adam are both represented by 19M. Ultimately this will be to Kris’s benefit because 19M can use Adam’s popularity as leverage to get PR/appearances for Kris, i.e. if you want to Adam, you have to also book Kris at a later date. I think 19M did something like this in Season 2 with Clay and Ruben and it really helped Ruben. So, at the end of the day, I think more success for Adam will trickle down to benefit Kris.

  127. I am puzzled as to why my HAC station didn’t add it (mix104.1 in Boston). They lurrrve Kris’ ¦

    suebrody I really think it’s a corporate thing. Your station and my HAC station (also 104.1, but Cleveland, not Boston) are both owned by CBS Radio. At my last check, no stations owned by CBS Radio have added it yet.

    And also, to repeat from my last post – I really do think that today was originally supposed to be the sale date of the song. Cover art is ready, iTunes pass is setup, radio add date, Kris is free to do album/song promo… it just adds up for me. If this is true, we should start seeing the PR machine cranking. Maybe even another iTunes banner with the new cover?

  128. ccagain
    October 13, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    It was really bad that Kris had to release the cover of another band’s song. A lot ot critics already call Idols karoke machines. Too bad, but Adam is a tremendous singer.

    Perhaps you’re referring to fan critics, because most of the music critic reviews I read liked Kris’s LLWD.

  129. Hey no worries Mtlfan, I get not trusting 19Evil, because well, that’s the smart thing to do what with the whole evil thing going on there. So yeah, I totally get where you’re coming from. I just don’t think this is one of those cases where Kris is being screwed over. I will still say I think Jive is being a bit sloppy on the edges with both Kris and Allison, but I really don’t think they’re trying to sabotage Kris. I mean heck speaking of covers, sure this may be late, but compare the quality of it and even Kris’s album cover to the previous AI covers and Kris is getting much higher quality work, imho. Not a fan of the timing of it, but the work is MUCH better.

    Oh and I loved that Best Week Ever mention, Kradam lives and ha! to those that were talking about ‘what was Kris looking at,’ in his album cover. Guess it’s a common question. I still prefer the zombie scenarios, but I’m fic tainted, so there you go.

  130. Jive could definitely do more. Adam just announced his music video will premiere before the Michael Jackson movie on the big screen in theatres across the country.

  131. Perhaps you’re referring to fan critics, because most of the music critic reviews I read liked Kris’s LLWD

    I think it’s pretty universal that it’s been getting some really solid reviews. Rolling Stone, not known for it’s Kris love, gave it a solid 3 stars.

  132. Kitwana
    October 13, 2009 at 6:15 pm
    I think Kris and Adam are both represented by 19M. Ultimately this will be to Kris’s benefit because 19M can use Adam’s popularity as leverage to get PR/appearances for Kris, i.e. if you want to Adam, you have to also book Kris at a later date. I think 19M did something like this in Season 2 with Clay and Ruben and it really helped Ruben. So, at the end of the day, I think more success for Adam will trickle down to benefit Kris.

    Sorry, they can’t do that. That’s why Clay Aiken sued them and SUCCESSFULLY was able to get out of his contract with 19M. It’s a breach of contract for them to refuse any opportunites for Adam based on a contingency for another artist.

  133. he looks great as always, but i think i still prefer the album one. this one is a little too “artsy cute college boy with guitar”. i do like the tone of the composition here better.

  134. It’s the Time For Miracles video/2012 extended trailer that will show before This Is It. Both movies are coming from Sony pictures, so of course there will be cross-promotion. This is good fortune for Adam, not a failure on the part of Jive/19 to do things for Kris.

  135. I never jumped on any banter like ‘Kris is not getting the winner treatment / Adam is getting more as runner-up’  or similar stuff,

    BUT what I just read from JPfan really pissed me off. That’s not fair..

    There is no “fair and unfair” element to how this business works. If Adam is presented with opportunities he should be free to take them irrespective of how that makes Kris’ promotion look.

    Kris’ cover is beautiful.

    I think Kris and Adam are both represented by 19M. Ultimately this will be to Kris’s benefit because 19M can use Adam’s popularity as leverage to get PR/appearances for Kris, i.e. if you want to Adam, you have to also book Kris at a later date.

    And what happens to Kris when those opportunities try up and 19 can no longer use Adam as a magic carpet for Kris to ride on? It seems kind of ridiculous to say that Kris needs Adam’s hand me downs to get PR since he’s the winner of AI. Kris should be able to generate his own publicity and his own PR without Adam’s help and certainly without 19 strong-arming people into taking Adam and Kris as a package deal.

  136. Sorry, they can’t do that. That’s why Clay Aiken sued them and SUCCESSFULLY was able to get out of his contract with 19M. It’s a breach of contract for them to refuse any opportunites for Adam based on a contingency for another artist.

    I don’t think Adam has anything to worry about. :)

  137. If you think about it’ ¦when the touring starts Kris is going to be in a lot better position financially then Adam. His expenses to tour will be pretty miniscule, like DC’ ¦just a band, a bus, and a guitar. So he’ll be raking in a lot more profit. Styles of singing have their advantages in a lot of different ways.

    ITA. Kris is going to do just fine financially. He has a lot of appeal, and his costs are going to be lower. In the short run or even the intermediate term, he may end up being financially way ahead of Adam.

    In the longer term (1-2 years out or more), if Adam achieves his potential going supernova, he will make beaucoup bucks, but right now, his overhead is INCREDIBLY high.

    Every time I hear about 30 string orchestras, fabulous photo shoots, and red hot producers, etc. I wonder how much it all costs. Those costs have to be paid off before the singer makes anythings.

    Kris is doing what works for him and his style, and Adam is doing his thing. I think they’ll both be successful.

    In fact, Kris, is coming to Chicago soon for a gig, and I’m trying to score some tickets.

    It’d be fun!

  138. Sorry, they can’t do that. That’s why Clay Aiken sued them and SUCCESSFULLY was able to get out of his contract with 19M. It’s a breach of contract for them to refuse any opportunites for Adam based on a contingency for another artist.

    I was aware that Clay had sued but did not know he was successful. At any rate, I think it would be awfully tough to prove. I think that it is a risk that 19M would take. Payola is illegal but I can’t imagine that it does not occur.

  139. I was aware that Clay had sued but did not know he was successful. At any rate, I think it would be awfully tough to prove. I think that it is a risk that 19M would take. Payola is illegal but I can’t imagine that it does not occur.

    19 is not going to put Adam’s career at risk in order to prop Kris up, sorry they just aren’t. IF Kris doesn’t get offered the opportunities then too bad for Kris.

    In the longer term (1-2 years out or more), if Adam achieves his potential going supernova, he will make beaucoup bucks, but right now, his overhead is INCREDIBLY high.

    That is why artists get tour sponsors and Adam has some pretty successful friends and people in the business.

    Every time I hear about 30 string orchestras, fabulous photo shoots, and red hot producers, etc. I wonder how much it all costs. Those costs have to be paid off before the singer makes anythings.

    the artist makes little to no money off the CD, if RCA is pouring that kind of money into the CD they are doing it because they feel they will get a return on their investment. Adam doesn’t pay anything back out of his tour monies and the label only recoups costs from the sale of CDs.

  140. I don’t think Jive is giving Kris the short end of the stick. I think they’re doing right by Kris so far. It just doesn’t feel like Kris is getting the winner’s treatment to me (so far) in terms of promo. I don’t begrudge Adam that-I’m happy that he’s getting such high profile gigs. I’ll just feel bad for Kris if he gets the shaft because he wasn’t TPTB’s chosen winner (and clearly he wasn’t). Hopefully that won’t happen.

  141. I think 19M did something like this in Season 2 with Clay and Ruben and it really helped Ruben.

    Um, until Clay sued them for it and won. I don’t think they’ll make that mistake again. And frankly, Kris doesn’t need it. I think just like on the show, he’s a slow burner who will sneak up and surprise you. Just like how they are two different artists with entirely different musical styles, the PR campaigns that fit each of those styles will be different.

  142. Perhaps the AMA organizers just wanted Adam and it has nothing to do with AI.

    I think this is right. Adam is all the buzz right now and in demand. Of course, none of it will matter if the music isn’t good. Reminds me of Hicks in the early days – he was ubiquitous and look how things unfolded for him. Of course, Lambert has a flair for the contemporary, so hopefully things will pan out much better for him.

    Anyway, on topic, the thing I love about Kris is his quiet and understated charm. I don’t see that Jive is misrep’ing him or doing wrong by Kris at all. As an aside, I do believe that Kris Allen is quite possibly the sexiest man to ever come out of Idol. I want a poster of the LLWD cover! :-P

  143. Ok One more time. When do we get to see the sales figures from last week. I’m not only interested in Kris, but want to see how Jordin and jason did.

    Mr. Incredible: We’ll get there when we get there!

    Just to stop the questions about Jason and Jordin on a thread dedicated to Kris’s album cover, the numbers always come out on Wednesday. Sometimes, when something HUGE breaks, we get press releases on Tuesday. That is unlikely to happen with Jason and Jordin’s numbers this week. Sometimes, we get barely any numbers at all.

  144. Those costs have to be paid off before the singer makes anythings.

    Not totally true…that would be slave labor, if the album came out in the red, and that is against the law. The Singer will make a small percentage of ALL sales….but as the album sells more and the costs are paid the record company would get a higher percent of the profits as payment for putting up the up-front money and for taking on the risk if the album didn’t sell.

    That’s why if an artist doesn’t sell more than the cost and there isn’t any profit for the label…its by by to the Artist. And some record companies make you prove yourself on the first album…contracts are not always for more than 1 album.

  145. I’ll just feel bad for Kris if he gets the shaft because he wasn’t TPTB’s chosen winner (and clearly he wasn’t). Hopefully that won’t happen.

    Well, TPTB on the tv show who may not have chosen Kris as their optimal winner are no longer TPTB in Kris’s career. This recording artist train has a whole new conductor. I’m confident that Kris’s label sees him as a priority worthy of their time and effort. I’d call not using this picture a mistake, but certainly not a career-killing blunder of epic proportions.

    Kris has talent. If the spins keep increasing, the single will continue to sell. And, I’m sure he has a bunch of tv appearances lined up for his cd release week.

  146. First, BEAUTIFUL picture. I do wish they had been able to use this when the single first dropped, but I am glad that they are apparently going to use it now.

    Second, what Adam is or isn’t doing doesn’t have anything to do with what Kris is or isn’t doing. Their season of AI is over, they are no longer competing head to head, now they are new artists breaking into the business. VERY DIFFERENT artists with different strategies and goals and they are going to be offered different opportunities. Adam will be wanted for things like the AMA because he had a unique voice, OTT, and quite the performer. If it were an either/or Adam would be the better fit. Kris is mega talented, a beautiful singer and a beautiful man, and he will get his own share of opportunities. I have complete confidence that Kris is going to be fine. I can’t wait for his album and to see him on his tour.

  147. I’m a big and optimistic fan of Kris. I love the album cover and single cover. I love that LLWD is added on so many of radio stations’ playlists this week. I also love that LLWD is played as a background music today on one of the scenes of “As the World Turns”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDJeHMJ-QUA

    Now all I need is to hear LLWD on my favorite radio station XM 20 on 20. I’ve been calling and requesting online.

  148. Just to stop the questions about Jason and Jordin on a thread dedicated to Kris’s album cover, the numbers always come out on Wednesday. Sometimes, when something HUGE breaks, we get press releases on Tuesday. That is unlikely to happen with Jason and Jordin’s numbers this week. Sometimes, we get barely any numbers at all.

    Thanks for the moderation but I was interested in Kris too and did not know which thread to put it. sorry!

  149. It’s a wonderful image, I wish it had been part of the song from the beginning. I admit I haven’t really listened to the single much. I don’t like the production on it. The sound sounds cheap, even cheesy. The lyric is good and I think if it was paired down a bit I’d like it much more.

    (Why did this Kris topic end up full of comments about someone else? GRRR.)

  150. Thanks for the moderation but I was interested in Kris too and did not know which thread to put it. sorry!

    LOL, I read it wrong. I thought you were saying you weren’t interested in Kris which seemed an odd place to ask this. Sorry.

    I think headlines is for generic stuff. Also, if you hold your cursor over the dates on the calender, they will tell you what was posted that day and that’s a quick way to find out the typical dates for things. Peace.

  151. Sorry, they can’t do that. That’s why Clay Aiken sued them and SUCCESSFULLY was able to get out of his contract with 19M. It’s a breach of contract for them to refuse any opportunites for Adam based on a contingency for another artist.

    I’m not sure this is accurate information. The first thing Clay did after the show was get an attorney and get different management than 19, he got his own management, and later Kelly followed suit. But I never heard anything about a breach of contract. He was just looking out for his interests, is what I understood.

    The Clay/Ruben situation is similar to the Kris/Adam situation in that fans believed that Clay should have won and it definitely seemed that Clay had more fans than Ruben, his sales were a lot higher, his concerts sold better, in every way he did better after the show. Also, Clay was charismatic and funny and all the shows wanted him, and Ruben was a man of few words. Even many of Ruben’s tv interviews, Clay appeared with him, as Ruben really was almost tongue-tied at the time. Rolling Stone wanted Clay on their cover, not Ruben (until later). Ruben’s fans of course were upset but the bottom line is, you can’t tell the market who to want. They want who they want. I never saw it as favoritism towards Clay. In fact it looked to me like AI tried to disown Clay and discredit him, they tried to pump up Ruben, but they couldn’t control things that were out of their control.

    I see similarities with the current situation. Except in this case they are definitely not disowning Adam, everyone is rooting for him, and it does seem to me that Kris is getting a bit of a raw deal, with the single coming out on a Friday without much promotion, that sucks imo.

  152. It really feels like Kris is being treated like an afterthought. I’m trying really hard not to root against anyone else but somedays are harder than others. Go Kris. I can’t wait to buy KRIS ALLEN THE RECORD.

    You can’t tell the market who to want

    True, but I’d feel like the situation was more equal if Kris had won by an extremely narrow margin. He didn’t. He won by a margin so big, the show has refused to disclose it so as not to reflect poorly on their chosen one. Someone must want Kris.

  153. Those costs have to be paid off before the singer makes anythings.

    Major label artist get both royalties (percentage of every sale) and a percentage of the profits if there are any. They can also sometimes get a lump sum signing bonus and/or an advance of future earnings.

    The 19R contracts give the artist the low end of the royalty scale — Kris referred to getting 9 cents for an iTunes sale — which is 7%. Usually it is 10% to 15% royalty rate. The also get royalties on merchandise sales, concert and appearance fees, and so on.

    So, Kris and Adam will do fine. And artists don’t have to pay the label back for record production or promotion expenses under a major label contract.

  154. What sort of “gig” is Adam doing on the AMAs?

    David Cook played a few songs off his new album on the “red” carpet before the show and many of his fans were allowed to view his performance. Then David and a friend, I believe it was Kyle P. the drummer, watched the show from choice seating. David didn’t perform on the show, but it was great promotion of his album nevertheless.

    I think Jive is treating Kris just fine. As Eileen99 stated, Adam and Kris are two different artists. I think the promos and gigs Kris is getting works well for him. I’m not sure if Jive is done promoting the single on I-tunes, especially if they’re just coming out with that great cover photo now.

    I think the Album cover photo is gorgeous, very, very sexy, but classy. The Single cover photo is very earthy, adorable-sexy (tm paula). The Album cover photo catches the eye much more than the single cover. I think they made a very wise choice.

    I like the way things are playing out here. Very happy about the adds and had to laugh when I saw the rhythmic add.

    The comparison game is getting old. Every year it’s the same debbie downers. Just go through the archive and the old threads. ::grin::

  155. Hollygo9

    We don’t know how many votes Kris won by. Shouldn’t assume he won by a lot…that was just a rumor.

    And really it would be nice if people would just stop comparing Kris and Adam. The only people who don’t seem to worry about this comparison are Kris and Adam themselves! There is no guarantee that — IF Adam hadn’t gotten the AMA gig, or the TFM gig, or whatever, the people in charge of those things would have then asked Kris to do this stuff.

    I’m a huge Kris fan, and I’m also a big fan of Adam’s. I’d like to see Kris get more national exposure, but I’m not going to blame Adam or assume that Kris should get these gigs simply because he won AI.

  156. Well anyhew it’s still a nice picture and hey just read that LLWD is the number one new radio add! So I think this might just be part of Jive’s strategy to add this picture when the song could really be put out there for those outside the AI bubble. So hey, maybe not so much a screw up by Jive as part of a strategery. Hmmm. Interesting concept to think on as well and maybe instead of, also hmmmm. Not sure if I ascribe to the wisdom of their strategy, but hey with those really great radio add numbers, they may be proven right in the end and all the doubters will proven wrong about Kris…again. :)

    It really feels like Kris is being treated like an afterthought.

    Yeah, really disagree on that one. I think he’s getting what I’d expect out of Jive, lateness of this picture aside, and I think that it might turn out to be the best fit for Kris and his long term success. YMMV, of course.

  157. hollygo9: It really feels like Kris is being treated like an afterthought. I’m trying really hard not to root against anyone else but somedays are harder than others. Go Kris. I can’t wait to buy KRIS ALLEN THE RECORD.

    In the end, Kris’ music will speak for him. And people will buy his album. What else matters? Really — he has a chance to do what he loves and to make a lot of money doing it. He’s going to preform with artists he respects.

    And that is one great photo.

    Let Kris be Kris. We don’t need 2 Adam’s. I happen to love the both (although I dispise the whole Kradam thing) and will both both albums. It isn’t like I have to choose!

  158. I hope that Kris gets to do “Idol Gives Back” in the upcoming season. This would absolutely be something Kris would relate with coming from his background of missionary work. There might even be some music come out of such a trip like his “Land of Smiles”.

  159. I met Kris at the mall in Atlanta when they were here on tour…I totally fell in love with him. He is sooooo down to earth and real. I just wish everyone would realize that Kris is probably happy for everything that is happening to Adam. Kris will do well too, his success will just be more low key than Adam’s.

  160. We don’t know how many votes Kris won by. Shouldn’t assume he won by a lot’ ¦that was just a rumor.

    It is an assumption but not based on rumor. I base it on the fact that the show has, to this day, not disclosed the percentage. It’s the first time ever that has happened. There has to be a reason for that.

  161. Correct me if i’ m wrong but i remember that there was a lot of discussion about the fact that Z100 despite debuting LLWD didn’t play it the next couple of days at all. Our speculations were that they might didn’t like it , that it didn’t suit their playlist or that the lyrics were problematic for all the radio stations of NY. Well now that they play it a lot our theories are proven wrong.

    My point is that we tend to jump to conclusions very quickly. I know that’s what we do when the news come out discuss, discuss, discuss and inevitably we make comparisons and then see conspiracy theories etc. But as stated by others i believe that Kris and Adam as two totally different artists will be be given the opportunity to perform on totally different events that suit each one the best( Kris: Bosom Ball, live in Vineyard, performance with the Fray, Adam : AMA and all the other very cool things that will come with TFM and 2012). Of cource it seems that with these gigs Adam gets the most exposure but that comes as a result of his artistry (in Kara’s voice) and not as a sabotage to Kris. Adam will be the storm that lasts (sorry, very cheesy) Kris will build slowly. That’s not new, that’s what is happening from the beginning of their idol journeys and as it seems it continues and after that. I know, it seems odd for a winner to just build slowly but as Slezak said Kris is “a different kind of idol winner”. Anyway, good luck to both Adam and Kris!!!

    In order not to be completely off topic i love that picture!!! Actually all three pictures we’ve seen so far from that day are amazing. Does anyone know who the photographer is? It would be very interesting to see all of his photos!

  162. “I hope that Kris gets to do ‘Idol Gives Back’  in the upcoming season. ”

    You read my mind. I was so happy to see it was back. Kris has stated several times he wanted to get involved in charities and help people.

    I wonder where Mr. Allen is today. He has not tweeted anything all day. Hopefully he is working on his video since it looks like he worked all weekend on his album.

  163. You guys are right. Scr*w everyone else. It’s all about Kris. Now, let’s leak some more of those smokin’ hawt pictures.

  164. Yeah I agree with you girlgirl. Am A Kris fan first but really am happy for all of Adam’s success. And am sure Kris is really happy for Adam like I said before. Kris is doing what he loves. Alot of people don’t get such a big chance like that. I love this picture for his single. I love the red guitar and Kris holding it. Sure jive is making some mistakes,but am sure there not out to destroy Kris’s career.

  165. I can so go for that hollygo9. More Kris photo’s. And let Kris have some part in Idol gives back. I can so go for that. Can’t wait until Nov 17 and his album.

  166. I am posting in this thread to escape all the flailing, floving, tweet analysis and OTT hyperbole that has overtaken my beloved MJs. Kris, I’m rooting for ya.

  167. Really. Nice. Cover. I like this better than the album cover. The red guitar is a nice touch.

    Kris can be so dang handsome sometimes. (I usually think he looks too “cute”. But in these last few photos he looks like a Man.)

  168. I usually think he looks too ‘cute’ . But in these last few photos he looks like a Man

    Baby Kris is all growed up and man-sized.

  169. Hey, MJ-ers, thanks for the uplift. I can get mired in conspiracy theories and (god knows why) worries for this talented kid, Mr. Allen. (Is there such a syndrome as projected anxiety? If there is, we all got it bad…) But I feel a whole lot better with some of the optimism expressed here for his success. The doomer/gloomer stuff I’m trying to filter out. Anyone know a good drug for that?

  170. I wonder where Mr. Allen is today. He has not tweeted anything all day. Hopefully he is working on his video since it looks like he worked all weekend on his album.

    I hope he’s in rehearsals preparing for his first gig on Thursday! Want to see vids of him singing again….will he go acoustic or have a band with him? Bring it on Kris!

  171. ‘I hope that Kris gets to do ‘Idol Gives Back’  in the upcoming season. ‘ 

    I’m certain he will along with as many idols of the past they can get. I’m happy they will do that this coming season if I tune in it will certainly be for that episode.

  172. What a great picture of Kris. I love this single cover. Actually I like it better than the cover for the album, but both are very nice. Why are we spending any time comparing Kris/Adam with Clay/Ruben out of curiosity? They were very different artists at a very different time. Neither have done particularly well post idol. I am really hoping that both Kris who had more votes and Adam who is making more waves in the industry will be far more successful than either of the season two finalists.

  173. American Idol has certainly been a great jumping off place for many artists. It is impossible to listen to the radio for more than five minutes without hearing Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, Jordan Sparks, David Cook, of Daughtry. Fantasia and Taylor Hicks have had success in theater. And others who finished further back in the top ten are recording, touring, and having some measure of success. I have no doubt that Kris and Adam are both going to be among those we hear often on the radio along with Allison.

  174. I usually think he looks too ‘cute’ . But in these last few photos he looks like a Man

    I agree that these last few pictures, some over airbrushing issues I have aside, have really made Kris look more mature and hot and less just cute. So yeah, good pics and yeah, I’d be interested in seeing more from this shoot.

  175. mmk28 asked who the photographer for the Snug Harbor pictures was. While I don’t know for sure, Miles Siggins (fashion guy on Idol) tweeted Kris to ask him if the photographer was Eric Ogden. A link to this photographer here http://www.ericogden.com/ It is speculation on his part and mine, but the location, the lighting techniques, the composition of the photos definitely fit this guy’s MO. And now that I have revealed the depth of my twitter and google stalking (more than a little embarrassed to be admitting the lengths I have gone to), I will disappear once again into lurkdom.

  176. They are doing a good job with his pictures. I wasn’t crazy about the toilet watching one though.

  177. I really like both the LLWD single cover and the album cover. In some ways the LLWD cover is more Kris, but it’s a little nondescript so I can see why the other photo (which is more striking) was chosen as the album cover. Neither picture is an airbrushed monstrosity and that’s surprising and good.

    As for the question of whether there is a conspiracy or if Jive was just sloppy in not having this artwork ready at the time of the single release, I am leaning towards sloppiness. Honestly, Jive should have just waited and released the single today. It would have saved a few weeks of anxious hand-wringing in the Idolsphere over Kris’ supposedly low sales when in fact it’s completely unrealistic to expect a song that’s been on the radio 2 weeks to be at the top of the charts anyway.

    Thankfully, I don’t think Jive’s sloppiness will hurt Kris in the long run. He kicked butt in radio adds this week and that’s what really matters.

  178. Let Kris be Kris. We don’t need 2 Adam’s. I happen to love the both (although I dispise the whole Kradam thing) and will both both albums. It isn’t like I have to choose!

    ITA. As I told my sister today, I plan to go to BOTH concerts (assuming I can get there; it DID take Cook forever to come to the Boston area, and not even IN Boston!) and am downloading both albums (I have the iTunes pass for Kris, and will download Adam’s as soon as I can, pre-ordered, of course). I liked Kradam, but I agree, it’s time for them to move on and have their own careers. The David’s both did that 40,000 person event in the Philippines this year, but it was well after their albums had been released and they had started touring.

  179. I guess jive figured that they didn’t need a cover until it was time for adds . . . a month after releasing the song. (So dumb.) It’s another great cover for Kris. I love the green hues color scheme they’re using for Kris. Way better than the black/white/red of Cook and Archuleta last year.

  180. Winning American Idol is a very big thing. The reward is great promotion for your album. UNLESS you’re not the one they think should have won. The tip off is when Simon says you didn’t deserve to win. He’s only done that twice: Hicks and Kris. It’s pretty obvious that Adam is getting the winner’s promo.

    I am an Adam fan but have respect for Kris as an artist. The AI winner package has changed from Kelly’s days and essential it is just an album and management deal and what that entails. As many have already posted, Adam and Kris are seperate musical entities now that the tour is over. The AMA, Sony, press and whomever else is out there in media land aren’t obligated to use either artist. That is their choice who they ask for. I don’t think you can blame AI/19e/jive for Kris having different opportunities than Adam. That is just how the entertain ball bounces. He HAS opportunities. He is going to be successful. Rejoice in his title as AI. I am sure Kris is thrilled to be where he is now in his life and career.

  181. girlygirl
    October 13, 2009 at 5:39 pm
    It’s possible Jive didn’t suggest Kris to the people who produce the AMA’s. Or it’s possible the AMA people came to RCA/19 and asked about Adam. It’s an awards show ‘” the producers of the show are the ones who pick who they want on it. Doesn’t have anything to do with who did or didn’t win Idol’ ¦

    This makes a lot of sense to me and I agree with it…

  182. I just popped back in to add one more comment —

    How foolish is it for fans “war” about two people who are both great and both friends and who both embraced each other without question?

    Give Season 8 and all this analysis a rest. Just celebrate that we have some great music coming!

  183. Perhaps Cook was invited because the AMA folks wanted Cook and it had nothing to do with being the winner of AI?

    and remember Cook had a huge song out, TOML. You can not discount the impact of that song. It was everywhere. That is prob what got him on the AMAs not being assoicated with Idol.

  184. and remember Cook had a huge song out, TOML. You can not discount the impact of that song. It was everywhere. That is prob what got him on the AMAs not being assoicated with Idol.

    ITA- Cook got a lot of buzz after AI because of TOML. He also had people like Mariah Carey who wanted Cook to put his version of ABMB on his album. The buzz for Cook wasn’t as big as it is for Adam now, but I recall it being pretty good….hence the AMA slot.

  185. I’m a huge Kris fan, and I’m also a big fan of Adam’s. I’d like to see Kris get more national exposure, but I’m not going to blame Adam or assume that Kris should get these gigs simply because he won AI.

    THIS!

    I just wish everyone would realize that Kris is probably happy for everything that is happening to Adam. Kris will do well too, his success will just be more low key than Adam’s.

    AND THIS!!

    How foolish is it for fans ‘war’  about two people who are both great and both friends and who both embraced each other without question?

    Give Season 8 and all this analysis a rest. Just celebrate that we have some great music coming!

    AND ESPECIALLY THIS!!!

    And let me say once more, that is a beautiful picture of beautiful Kris :)

  186. LLWD was the fifth most added song on HAC stations this week.

    LLWD was the second most added song on CHR/Top 40 stations this week.

    It has now been officially added in four top 10 markets – New York, Chicago, Houston and Atlanta. LLWD was also added today in four additional Top 50 markets – Salt Lake City, Kansas City, Las Vegas and Memphis.

    These last two days were huge for Kris’s single and I think that’s gotten lost in all the back-and-forth over promotional opportunities. LLWD still has a long ways to go. But I think these add numbers are very promising.

    That single cover is awesome. I hope they get it up on iTunes soon. If I remember correctly the cover for “Battlefield” changed after a couple weeks.

  187. It really feels like Kris is being treated like an afterthought. I’m trying really hard not to root against anyone else but somedays are harder than others. Go Kris. I can’t wait to buy KRIS ALLEN THE RECORD.

    Why would you root “against” someone just because your favorite isn’t getting the opportunities that you think they should? Do you think Adam failing will suddenly open Kris up to more opportunities? It won’t. They either want him or they don’t, it has nothing to do with Adam.

    True, but I’d feel like the situation was more equal if Kris had won by an extremely narrow margin. He didn’t. He won by a margin so big, the show has refused to disclose it so as not to reflect poorly on their chosen one. Someone must want Kris.

    Curious about this. Some speculate that the reason they haven’t disclosed the margin is because the margin was so ridiculous it would’ve been obvious that something was WAY off in the voting.

    The week prior to the finale a mere million votes separated Adam and Kris… do you actually think that “suddenly” everyone who had been voting flipped their vote to Kris? NO… a lot of people who never watched one episode, had no clue what either performer was like musically, voted for Kris to win for reasons OTHER than the music.

    This is reflected, IMO, in Kris’ single sales. They’ve been exceedingly POOR for an Idol winner IMO. IF Kris won by such a large margin *and I’m not saying he didn’t*where is his idol fanbase? because they certainly aren’t buying his single. Also, why isn’t Kris’ album in the top 10 on Amazon and never went beyond the top 50 in fact? and his itunes pass was only in the top 100 for two weeks.

    I think Jive is putting the effort into Kris they think will yield a return on their investment. They aren’t going to go overboard for him IMO knowing that the support isn’t really out there.

  188. These last two days were huge for Kris’s single and I think that’s gotten lost in all the back-and-forth over promotional opportunities. LLWD still has a long ways to go. But I think these add numbers are very promising.

    Yes!! Monday was the official adds date, and looking at the charts, it is steadily gaining adds! People are going to start hearing LLWD on the radio, and we already know it has gotten overwhelmingly positive reviews out there, so once people know about it, it’ll definitely have a positive impact on sales.

    Don’t worry about Kris! Just like on idol, he and Adam are so completely different – and their paths post idol will be different by default. There is no real winning any more, just both guys having the success they deserve – and they both deserve A LOT of it imo because of their talent.

  189. Yes!! Monday was the official adds date, and looking at the charts, it is steadily gaining adds! People are going to start hearing LLWD on the radio, and we already know it has gotten overwhelmingly positive reviews out there, so once people know about it, it’ll definitely have a positive impact on sales.

    I agree, that the positive reviews seem to indicate that as more people hear this song, that they will buy it. So the increased radio play allows for more people to hear, and therefore will want to buy. So yeah for a good cover for good news about this song. I’m still not a fan of the song personally, but I’m a fan of Kris so I want him to succeed.

  190. I don’t see anything Jive did for it’s winner that they are not doing for Kris, IMO. Kris might not have a fanbase like previous idol winners but I bet you Jive is good at marketing people like Kris. I don’t think they are dwelling so much on idol fanbase with Kris. From what I’ve seen so far, they are going with “new artist” kind of promo and that’s exactly what they did for Jordin, and I don’t think Jordin is not successful.
    I believe they are looking into more of the fuyure than huge single sales in a week , I’m not saying it’s bad though.

  191. Okay, Adam just got the Oprah gig. So for sure Kris and Adam will be going on different paths. Kris looks to be going the more organic route. I wonder if people will feel weird that the guy they voted for is being overshadowed in promo by the guy who finished second. Or will they even care. I don’t have an opinion.

    I think Kris’ fans seem pretty mellow. Maybe a mellow guy attracts mellow fans. Also Kris seems fine with things so I guess that’s the message that’s coming across.

  192. I think Kris’ fans seem pretty mellow. Maybe a mellow guy attracts mellow fans. Also Kris seems fine with things so I guess that’s the message that’s coming across.

    FWIW – I’m inclined to believe wiredforsound‘s analysis above of what happened with the voting. In the end, though, I don’t think it matters at all, because success will be measured by fans OUTSIDE the AI bubble, which will be more dependent on the quality of the music, and of the performer, than of who had the biggest AI fan base. That’s one major reason why I think Kris will do just fine, especially now that the single is getting out there more.

  193. I wonder if people will feel weird that the guy they voted for is being overshadowed in promo by the guy who finished second.

    A) I have had experience with this in the past.

    B) Most Kris fans predicted this would happen months ago.

    Doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy the music and what appearances he gets. They seem to like Kris well enough, so they’ll probably let him sing on AI again if they have a slot open. At least he didn’t get stuffed behind a ficus tree.

    Kris got to be on the competition episodes of AI S8. Idol voters know that’s all your votes can really earn. Then, in the after season world, other factors come into play. There is a universe of difference between the AI show and the real world. It’s not static.

  194. But will the S9 auditioners put gum on his picture. And how small and out of they way can they make it while still showing it. :)

  195. Kris doesn’t seem worried to me!!!

    KrisAllen4Real

    #Hey23 minutes ago from Echofon

  196. But will the S9 auditioners put gum on his picture.

    Now, now. In all fairness, I don’t think any of the auditioners ever did that. They have more class than the person who suggested it.

  197. That’s a nice single cover. I wished they released that together with the single on iTunes.

    Anyway, all this talk about Kris not getting the winner’s treatment’ ¦it pains me to say this as a Kris fan first and foremost, but I think Jive is promoting him as best as they can. Perhaps the demand for him is not all that great, especially if you compare him to Adam. All the gigs that Adam is getting now have nothing to do with Idol and are not normally part of the winner’s package. 2012 and the Sony promotion is a huge blessing. The AMAs probably invited Adam, seeing the demand for him was huge. There are rumors that he’s booked for SNL, I honestly think with everything that has happened today that rumor might be true. And now he’s guesting on Oprah. He got those gigs because he’s Adam, not because 19E favors him.

  198. Isn’t anyone seeing what I’m seeing? Is it not about the label ‘s promo line up or something? I believe strongly that it is. Isn’t DC with RCA and so makes sense to me that Adams promo will go the same as David Cook’s last year?.
    At least, the Kris fans I know know that very well. We are not worried. Kris is not with RCA so I don’t see him as being overshadowed, not at all.

  199. We don’t know Adam got Oprah…that form might have been sending out feelers to see if people wanted him on the show

  200. That is a very beautiful picture. Sometimes I forget how pretty Kris is.

  201. We don’t know Adam got Oprah’ ¦that form might have been sending out feelers to see if people wanted him on the show

    I’m quite certain that when they ask people to say why they should be part of the audience, it’s a sure thing already.

  202. jpfan – do you think Kris fans are surprised? What’s the point in complaining about it?

    My concern is not whether Kris gets the same level of promotional opportunities that Adam does. My concern is that Kris gets promotional opportunities that suit his style and will help him succeed in the long term. Jive has already booked him for some radio-sponsored concerts in some big markets and I hope more are on the way.

    I have gone back and forth on the bussing issue myself. But here’s the bottom line for me- LLWD kicked ass in adds this week when it mattered. I don’t understand much about radio politics. But I don’t believe for a minute that 35 stations would have added the debut single from a new artist right off the bat if the label was not fully supporting the song.

    I remember when half the board proclaimed this song DOA when Z-100 did not pick it up right away. Now it’s in the station’s Top 10 list just a couple weeks later.

  203. I’m quite certain that when they ask people to say why they should be part of the audience, it’s a sure thing already.

    Yeah, I was quite skeptical myself, so I understand the questioning it, but it’s on Oprah’s be a part of the audience page, And YOU get a Glittery Alien! And You! And You! if you go down you’ll see it says “reservation by topic,” and that’s where the Adam audience link is.

    Anyhew just clarifying, didn’t want to make this (yet another) Adam thread.

    but I think Jive is promoting him as best as they can. Perhaps the demand for him is not all that great, especially if you compare him to Adam. All the gigs that Adam is getting now have nothing to do with Idol and are not normally part of the winner’s package. 2012 and the Sony promotion is a huge blessing. The AMAs probably invited Adam, seeing the demand for him was huge.

    I agree totally. I don’t think that Kris isn’t getting his winner’s share from Jive or AI/19 or whatever. It’s just a confluence of events that sometimes happens and the snake feeds on itself. Like Adam’s album randomly being found on Amazon, so then people start finding it only by word of mouth, start putting in orders, it does well on their chart. That became a story in various places that then fed upon that story, etc. but none of that publicity had to do with 19 or even RCA, except maybe by RCA’s screwing up and not bothering to inform anyone that Adam’s album was available for pre-order. I could go into the epic fail of Amazon’s search engine, but well, I just can’t for various reasons.

    My Kris point, and I do have another beyond not believing that Kris is being neglected by TPTB at 19/Jive, is that if positive things feed on each other, than things like the radio adds and the positive reviews, can then lead to increased sales and more things arising out of that. Adam had 2012 and fan sales whatever to give him a quickstart. But that doesn’t mean the solid work Kris is doing with his music, or Jive/19 is doing with promotion (and don’t make laundry list again, it’s dull) aren’t also going to make Kris successful in his own right. Just in a different, actually more traditional, way. One that frankly could end up being more to Kris’s benefit in the long run. I mean who knows if Adam won’t crash and burn? I sure don’t. But Kris’s sure steady climb isn’t a bad thing. And it’s a climb, radio adds pwnage!

  204. We don’t know Adam got Oprah’ ¦that form might have been sending out feelers to see if people wanted him on the show

    definitely ppl wanted to see him

  205. I liked the album cover, but now I’m seeing what people meant by the words on that one clashing with the actual picture. In this single cover, the lettering is much more subtle and blends better with the soft vibe of the picture. I like it a lot. It pretty much sums up who Kris is as a person and artist, with his guitar and all, whereas the album cover went the route of giving him some more “edge.” I like this cover better… it’s very warm and natural. He’s beautiful, and for some reason the airbrushing doesn’t strike me as much in this picture.

  206. Kris got to be on the competition episodes of AI S8. Idol voters know that’s all your votes can really earn. Then, in the after season world, other factors come into play. There is a universe of difference between the AI show and the real world. It’s not static.

    I agree with this and think this is indeed what’s happening – they both will have success in their own way but there really is no purpose and point in comparing it, aside from making oneself stressed…

  207. I think if Kris was reading this board and all of our fan-worries, he would give us a trademark: “settle down ”

    I think he’s doing exactly what he wants .

    The only thing I’m upset about is that my Ipod doesn’t have this pretty picture on it for my LLWD…

  208. fanaround;

    If you want the picture on your Ipod for LLWD, simply save the picture to your computer, then open Itunes, Go to LLWD, right click the song, choose Get Info, Then choose ArtWork and click Add. At which point a Browse menu will appear, go to the picture you just saved and click open. You’ll then see the picture in the artwork box. Simply click Save and the picture will appear as the single Artwork.

    You can delete the original cover if you wish

  209. so pretty!

    will go back and read the thread and come back to gaze at his picture….

  210. just read the thread….well not all the comments but most of it…

    a part of me is quite annoyed at the fact that a lot of things point out that kris’s post idol career is not being promoted to the max…but rather than beating the poor dead horse over and over again i’d trying to look on the bright side. yes kris wont be performing at the AMAs, or even be there, or get a song featured in a movie, or have his single released before michael jackson’s film…

    but all in all, kris was always the underdog and thats why we kris fans love him so. he was the underdog in the competition and he is the underdog now. so what if he doesnt get the ideal winner’s treatment everyone talks about and so what if his itunes cover was initially quite bland and finally so what if his first single and/or album doesnt make it to #1 spot in the charts…(i think i’m channeling pink here)

    in the end what matters is that he puts out good music people will like, he enjoys what he’s doing and ultimately have a good long career with long lasting success…we kris fans need to be patient. thats all….

  211. in the end what matters is that he puts out good music people will like, he enjoys what he’s doing and ultimately have a good long career with long lasting success’ ¦we kris fans need to be patient. thats all’ ¦.

    I want this to happen for him too, but we all know it will only happen if his first album is successful. He may be a success by his standards, but he needs to be a success by his label’s standards so that he can have a lasting career.

  212. He may be a success by his standards, but he needs to be a success by his label’s standards so that he can have a lasting career.

    Yep, that’s all we can hope for. If the label is happy, we’ll get more music and perhaps he’ll get to stretch his wings even more on the second album.

    The adds today are definitely a good sign. The mondo adds should help his spincrease and other program managers might also jump on the bandwagon (where there is smoke, there might be fire). Jive has always been good at working the radio strategy and does a pretty decent job of picking singles. Jive is also very frugal which leads to less splash, but also requires fewer units to make a profit.

  213. yes kris wont be performing at the AMAs, or even be there,

    we don’t know this for sure.

  214. I love this cover! I think this is an awesome picture for his single. I just really wish that they would have been able to use it for the release of his single on itunes. Hopefully they will update the picture soon.

    Personally, I think Jive picked the perfect pictures for both his Album and Single. Kris’s album will be released during a very busy season for new albums. The cover they chose has a little different vibe than a lot of the ones that will be out there (guessing on this). I think it will make people stop and look at it. Then they will see his name and eventhough they might not be an AI fan, they more than likely will recognize the name. I think Jive is marketing him perfectly (Kris is about the music, they will concentrate on that). Based on my appreciation of his musical talent, I am one fan who is prepared to support him by buying his music, going to concerts, etc., . None of the extra fluff matters to me. I am confident that once more people hear him, they will do the same.

  215. I really don’t think Kris is in trouble. It may look like it in contrast to Adam, but his single is doing well and he is aiming for a stable genre with a well developed, known market of listeners. Try comparing how he’s doing to other acts like him going forward, not to Adam.

  216. he needs to be a success by his label’s standards so that he can have a lasting career.

    Ok, since I know nothing about all this–what is a reasonable standard for album sales for Kris to be considered successful by JIVE?

  217. Congrats to Kris and fans on the radio adds, that is good news. I think some of us (me included) thought it was bad when the single dropped on a Friday, but really it’s not important as it doesn’t go for adds right away, and the new picture came out in time for radio adds, so that’s all good. I think there’s a lot of patience and mature reasoning here from Kris fans and you’ve kept your cool in all the Adam fervor that’s predominated. Kudos to you.

  218. Love this photo and single cover. I just downloaded my KA pass copy of the LLWD single, which is my 2nd copy of it. It still has the generic block letter art.

    Comparing the single cover art with the supposed album art (which I actually like) I see there is room for a TITLE for the album beneath his name. Let’s hope the surprise is there when the album is actually released.

    And what am I actually listening to right now? Kris Allen’s ORIGINAL song ‘Beautiful Moon’. I love that song. I wish that were on his album. But I’m hoping ‘Red Guitar’ makes it, even though I have no clue on what that song is about or sounds like.

    I really feel that Jive is dropping the ball on Kris promotion. Most of what we get seems like an afterthought. But hey, he won million dollar recording contract, and if that money is being sparsely used now, it bodes well for some left in the bank account for future use on production and promotion.

  219. I got the iTunes pass, so, FINALLY I got the song, and I like it more and more upon listening to it (which is not uncommon for me; it happened with Adam’s Starlight, and it even happened w/ Falling Slowly). I just don’t understand the worry about Kris, at least not yet. Jive seems to be handling this in a measured way (and yeah, there seems to have been some sort of mess up with LLWD’s release, but it’s fixed now, and look at the adds!). Do you want *big*? I don’t want. Kris goes his way, and Adam goes his, and they ALWAYS said that is how it would go. Kris’ ‘Hey’ tweet kind of says it all. ;)

    I can’t wait to see Kris on Tour; I hope it will be as understated as it was on Idol and not on the Tour, b/c I want him to play for 1000 ppl, not 10,000. And btw, having seen Cook last week (and of course he’s a rocker), I can honestly say that his playing in a venue of 750 rather than 7500 made a real difference to me. I felt much more connected. I have seen artists I love in smaller venues, as I say, and I have REALLY connected to them. That is how I feel I will w/ Kris. I hope he plays Boston on the Tour, since Cook still hasn’t (and we have some small venues!!!). Cook only came to the area twice twice–not Boston–and I issed the first one. And my nieces saw Archie at the Iron Horse in Northampton, MA (near Amherst, Western MA) and were overjoyed to be so close to him. That’s what *I* want to as well.

  220. I agree with you suebrody, i’ve always liked more smaller venues than 10,000+ arenas. You just feel more connection with the show .. keyword here is MORE .. not that there is no connection when you go to arenas and big stadiums shows. I like much jazz and always got to see those shows in venues of 3,000 seats and less, and it was always great!

  221. Mtlfan:I agree with you suebrody, i’ve always liked more smaller venues than 10,000+ arenas. You just feel more connection with the show .. keyword here is MORE .. not that there is no connection when you go to arenas and big stadiums shows. I like much jazz and always got to see those shows in venues of 3,000 seats and less, and it was always great!

    DITTZ. I’d rather pay twice the money. Hell, what am I saying! I quit going to “arenas” years ago. Never liked hearing the bass from the insides of my gut as it phased to a gelatinous mass, not to mention hearing damage.

    And speaking of mass, that large body of less vocal listeners, they voted Kris AMERICAN IDOL because of the appeal of his style and performance. When I think of those whom I saw at rock concerts in my college days, it was a small percentage of my classmates. Most were back in the dorm listening to some laid back crap. There were never as many headbangers; OR SO IT SEEMED TO ME. (LSU & OLE MISS – exceptions). Well. I’ll stop. Kris should have stellar success.

    Shame about not getting that album art out sooner. Ain’ hard to get good shoots of a good lookin’ kid.

  222. ppwars: And speaking of mass, that large body of less vocal listeners, they voted Kris AMERICAN IDOL because of the appeal of his style and performance.

    Yeah this is what I think too. We’ll see how his album will do on the market. It should do well

  223. not sure what Jive is thinking…this cover works great for Kris’ style and the song. it should have been promoted on the iTunes front page…maybe now it will. i also havent heard or seen anything on Allison’s new single. both of these singles could and should work on the Top 40…all you need is the right promo push. im really that concerned….kris is talented and he has the right marketing appeal. maybe jive is working on building a slow buzz for him. which could work because then people dont automatically associate him w. American Idol (kiss of death when it comes to credibility).

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