Idol Sales News – Week Ending 05/31/09

Idol Related Sales Numbers after the jump (Billboard issue date 6/13/09)

Digital Downloads
8 Kris Allen “No Boundaries” 86, 081 (-36%; lw 134, 458) Total: 220539 (4)
11 Kris Allen “Heartless” 78, 131 (-38%; lw 125, 344) Total: 203, 475 (5)
21 Adam Lambert “Mad World” 59, 695 (-48%; lw 114763) Total: 174, 458 (7)
30 Kelly Clarkson “I Do Not Hook Up” 42, 757 (-16%; lw 50, 633) Total: 328, 256 (30)
45 David Cook “Permanent” 32, 030 (-69%; lw 102, 595) Total: 158, 935 (10)
46 Kellie Pickler “Best Days of Your Life” 31, 572 (11%; lw 28, 391) Total: 408, 236 (66)
47 Daughtry “No Surprise” 31, 541 (-6%; lw 33, 684) Total: 237, 592 (46)
68 Kris Allen “Ain’t No Sunshine” 24, 685 (-66%; lw 72, 080) Total: 96, 765 (7)
69 Adam Lambert “No Boundaries” 23, 708 (-34%; lw 35, 984) Total: 59, 692 (44)
83 Jordin Sparks “Battlefield” 20, 258 (-31%; lw 29, 430) Total: 124, 695 (60)
86 Kris Allen “Apologize” 19, 318 (-52%; lw 40, 173) Total: 59, 491 (38)
103 Adam Lambert “Change is Gonna Come” 14, 720 (-69%; lw 48, 068) Total: 62, 788 (32)
105 Adam Lambert “One” 14, 658 (-52%; lw 30, 851) Total: 45, 509 (57)
124 Adam Lambert/Allison Iraheta “Slow Ride” 11, 977 (-45%; lw 21, 742) Total: 33, 719 (84)
138 Kris Allen “Falling Slowly” 10, 805 (-60%; lw 27, 087) Total: 37, 892 (72)
151 Adam Lambert “Cryin” 10, 067 (-59%; lw 24, 580) Total: 34, 647 (75)
173 Adam Lambert “Tracks of My Tears” 8, 830 (-48%; lw 17, 130) Total: 25, 960 (102)
182 Adam Lambert “Feeling Good” 8, 459 (-48%; lw 16, 178) Total: 24, 637 (107)
184 Adam Lambert “Ring of Fire” 8, 402 (-44%; lw 14, 970) Total: 23, 372 (112)

Please post numbers as you find them. Thanks.

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  1. Airplay before recurrents removed (number in brackets is the increase in audience impressions since the previous week)

    No. 10 – Kelly Clarkson ( 1.3 million)
    No. 24 – Kelly Clarkson ( 5.5 million) I Do Not Hook Up
    No. 106 – Daughtry ( 3.3 million)
    No. 135 – David Cook ( 1.1 million)
    No. 213 – Jordin Sparks ( 3.6 million)

    Streaming
    No. 8 – Kelly Clarkson – My Life Would Suck Without You
    No. 23 – Kelly Clarkson – I Do Not Hook Up
    No. 26 – Daughtry – No Suprise

  2. edited: Thanks for compiling all of these.

    I wonder who’s buying “No Boundaries”?

  3. From Scott’s twitter:

    IdolScott
    my iTunes tracks will be coming down soon so tell your friends to check them out and download

    So I guess they won’t be up all summer.

  4. “Do we have album sales numbers for Adam and Kris yet?”

    Ha. Thats what I was just wondering/checking.

  5. Surely Come Back To Me should be somewhere in there? It’s still in at around #90 on the iTunes chart (last week around #80 I think, so perhaps around 20,000 copies sold).

  6. Only the top 50 leaked, with some extras. We’ll find out about Come Back to Me later today or tomorrow when the Idol Chatter article posts.

  7. I had asked yesterday about the numbers for à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Permanentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , David Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s charity single. They look good, for a song with no promo except the AI finale appearance. (at least I think it looks good; I really donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know much bout what all these numbers mean).

  8. [I wonder whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s buying à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“No Boundariesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ?]

    *raises hand, sheepishly*

    Hey, Adam’s version is kind of listenable, really! And how long is it until the albums come out? I’ll take anything I can get at the moment.

  9. I wonder whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s buying à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“No Boundariesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ?

    LOL! I bought it too (Adam’s version). I must say, I agree with his statement (I think in the Idolatry interview) about how it was a mess to sing live, but that the recorded tracks actually came out ok.

  10. :help_tb: I’m interested, but I don’t understand the “numbers game”.
    Does this mean that all their fans arent’ actually buying any music? The numbers seem low for what I thought was a huge fan base for all these artists. Are these low numbers? Do they include international sales?
    Big Thank You to anyone with the time to attempt to sum it up for me.

  11. I wonder whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s buying à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“No Boundariesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ?

    Ha. I admit I bought Adam’s version too. Its actually not bad. Sort of a power rock pop ballad. Grant it, the lyrics do crack me up.
    :)

  12. Kirsten, can you post the info again how you look up radio plays and how you search the top 200 iTunes/Billboard?

    I am curious on Matt’s numbers. I wonder how far behind Allison he is?

  13. Has anyone been keeping track of the numbers since the Top 13. I’d love to see a season total for each song from these contestants….and not just a week by week thing.

    I’m new to Idol (came for Adam…probably won’t be back)…if I had known that we don’t get a cumulative tally, I’d have started keeping track myself many weeks ago

    Is this something that is available somewhere? I’d love to be informed. Thanks.

  14. I like Kris’ studio version of NB. I don’t think the song is radio friendly, even though it is getting a little attention from some AC and HAC stations, but it’s not as bad as it sounded during the finale. Kris put a lot of emotion into the song, and that hides some of the songs major flaws, like the lyrics. Kris found a way to tell a story through the song, and even managed to give it a melody.

  15. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m interested, but I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“numbers gameà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .
    Does this mean that all their fans arentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ actually buying any music? The numbers seem low for what I thought was a huge fan base for all these artists. Are these low numbers? Do they include international sales?
    Big Thank You to anyone with the time to attempt to sum it up for me.

    Probably the biggest contributor to lower #s is that this only counts post-finale numbers – nothing from earlier in the season. This probably hurt Adam’s #s the most (when the mid-season itunes leak came out, he had 6 of the top 10 AI downloads, Kris had 3, and I think Danny had 1).

    So good case in point would be something like Mad World, which I downloaded when it was first performed, and had no need to download again after the finale (though I did download both performance videos – gotta love the fog machine and coat!)

    Another contributing factor that many have mentioned is the general crappiness of this year’s song No Boundaries, which many consider much worse than last year’s, or even previous year’s songs.

    International numbers I don’t think are counted, because this is just itunes sales numbers.

    Another note, imo a lot of Adam’s performance versions are better than the studio ones (I think they did some funky things with the arrangements for some of his songs, probably in the mad rush to get it out to itunes asap). So I recommend all of his performance vids, which can just be played back like an audio track on your ipod. (end of sales pitch!)

    Hope that helps explain thing!

  16. luvnlife: Does this mean that all their fans arentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ actually buying any music?

    The sales of music in any form are down over past years partly because of the economy and partly because of free access to free digital media. According to NPD a company that provides aggregated sales info to retailers and supplies:

    In 2008, the number of Internet users paying for digital music rose by over 8 million to 36 million, and purchases of digital music downloads rose by 29%, sales of CDs fell 19%. NPD found the biggest drop in CD sales was among teens and those ages 50 and older.

    Not all CD sales were lost to the Internet. The report notes that the total number of music buyers was down as consumers kept a close eye on their wallets, a symptom of the down economy.

    Billboard digital charts include legal US direct-to-consumer digital downloads from about 90% of sources. iTunes has 57% market share of the US legal digital download store market. Amazon is #2 with about 10%.

    No one has any reliable measure of the total digital media world. My guess is that an online hit like Mad World that can easily grabbed for free is on millions of players now. The wide availability of free digital music is one reason why recording revenues are declining while concert revenues continue to set records (up every year 2000 to 2007, 2008 flat to 2007).

    The top US music money-maker in 2008 was by far Madonna, who made $242 million from her concert tour — far exceeding anyone’s recording revenue. That why I believe Adam has the best potential of any Idol in history. He the first AI contestant that has a real shot of starring in a really big concert tour. According to Forbes:

    Touring is the cash driver in the music business as album sales decline, said Rob Levine, Billboard’s executive editor.

    “People call the music business the record business, but it’s not,” Levine said in an interview. “Touring revenue drives the train here. For artists, recorded music sales have become almost extra income.”

  17. Danny’s You are So Beautiful was at #110 last report and was on the under bubbling Hot 100 as well at #25. Plus his What Hurts the Most was at #174. Did they both drop off the top 200 this week?

  18. Has anyone been keeping track of the numbers since the Top 13. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d love to see a season total for each song from these contestantsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.and not just a week by week thing.

    I’m not sure if those numbers were ever released. As a fan of AI 7, I’m still waiting for numbers of the downloads during that season. The only sales numbers released from season 7 was for the week of the finale.

    And no, I have not bought either version of “No Boundaries”, but I voted for Kris, but downloaded “Mad World”. I’m still stuck on Cook with a little bit of Archie on the side, and no one else seems to do it for me. I wish they did. :(

  19. I am curious on Mattà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s numbers. I wonder how far behind Allison he is?

    idolbeat, have you checked out Brian’s blog on last week’s totals?

    4. Allison Iraheta (9 songs, 35,000 downloads)
    5. Matt Giraud (20 songs, 12,000 downloads. Has anybody heard his two pre-Idol albums, Perspective and Mind, Body, and Soul? They accounted for some of these sales.)

    Not sure if Brian will do it again this week, since this week’s leaked downloads above don’t cover any of the other Idols. Scott and Matt both tweeted to remind fans to buy their Idol tracks because they are coming down soon. I wonder if that means end of June… IIRC, the press release about the Permanent Charity Single mentioned it being on sale through June, so the season 8 tracks might go down at the same time. Still find it weird that they didn’t announce an end date.

    David Cook à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Permanentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Total: 158,935

    That’s great. Hopefully Brian will show us the portion of the total that went to the charity single. I know as of last week, 88K of the previous total (127K) went to the studio version, and 39K went to the charity, but I’m thinking the bulk of this week’s 32K went to the charity. With a month left, I am hoping Permanent will raise $100K. DC’s team for the Race for Hope is up to $127K, which is phenomenal!

  20. Actually I watched AI last year and liked David Cook but never voted and never bought his music. I downloaded his charity single “Permanent” after the finale and love it and am now in the process of purchasing his songs from Itunes. What that shows is that coming on the show the next can pick up new fans. I’m a new David Cook fan.

  21. TKat – great point about the illegal download effect, I kind of forgot about that (trying to be all legit with my music getting, and all!) It’s true though. I’m a few years out of college, and I don’t know of anyone in college (or younger) who actually paid for music. And AI downloads are VERY easy to get for free online, which really is unfortunate for the artists.

    I want to help them out, so I went the legit, buy the downloads route (and paid for it, literally, after seeing that post-finale bill from itunes listing all my purchases!)

    I also agree about the touring $$ – that and promotions are how most of these guys make the money. Adam definitely has the best stage presence, so, if he puts out an interesting album, gets some good radio play with a hit song or two, then follows it up with a tour, that would be big for him.

    I want him out there promoting stuff too. The AI winner usually gets some deals – and Kris definitely has the face to sell stuff. But Adam needs to be getting some ad space too, imo :smile_wp:

  22. The finale was two weeks ago. S8 is fading into memory for most TV watchers as they move on. So the only Idols that will see sales are ones that get constant promotion and that’s #1 – the winner and #2- the runner up (if he’s lucky).

    So the numbers look right to me and by next week, most of the other Idols will be off this chart entirely. I’d expect AI to remove everything from iTunes except No Boundaries and the albums pretty soon anyway. Although you’d think they’d keep them up for the duration of the tour.

    By the fall, it’ll be considered amazing if 1% of the 28 million that watched the finale actually buy the winner’s album the first week. Even the ones that voted 18,000 times don’t always bother to buy the music.

  23. JPFan — I agree with your comments. That’s why I think one of the biggest contributors of future success is reaching out BEYOND the idol-verse. Think Daughtry – he had a catchy first single, got lots of airplay, was well positioned to sell big when the album was launched because not only AI people knew about him, but others had heard of his single as well. By then, it was hardly even about AI, but about him as a singer.

    I do think the marketing machine is a big factor too, and people like Adam may luck out (I certainly hope so) because they can get attention beyond just the AI appearances and events – they grab headlines, etc.

    Sure, the media attention will eb and flow, as it does with even the biggest celebs, but he has the potential to really keep people’s attention, and have them remember him long after the show, if he makes the right moves.

  24. The RS just posted a summary of this week’s sales. Here is what they say about digital album sales. Adam is ranked 8th and Kris is ranked 21. They don’t give exact numbers though.

    Last Weekà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Heroes: Relapse, which couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be expected to repeat last weekà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s best debut of 2009, experienced a 65 percent sales drop. No other albums crossed the 100,000 sales threshold as 21st Century Breakdown also saw its sales drop 54 percent. On the Digital Album front, Adam Lambertà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Season 8 Performance Favorites continues to outsell Kris Allenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s, ranking Eight to Allenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s 21. Next week in this space, weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll find out if Eminem can use all that Brà ¼no publicity to fend off his biggest competitor, Dave Matthews Bandà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Big Whiskey and the GrooGrux King.

    Article Link

  25. S8 is fading into memory for most TV watchers as they move on.

    By the fall, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be considered amazing if 1% of the 28 million that watched the finale actually buy the winnerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album the first week.

    So true. I was surfing around a bunch of past Idol’s twitter accounts, and thought it fascinating that some of the current season’s Idols like Matt and Anoop have nearly 20K followers, Danny has ~48,000 (?!) while Michael Johns only has ~3000, Brooke has ~12,000, and dipping back, Chris Rich has ~3000, Melinda ~7000, and Blake has ~10,000.

  26. Archie must have a Twitter account. How many followers does he have? Do you know his numbers Smallie?

  27. Archie must have a Twitter account. How many followers does he have?

    Archie has 68,095 twitter followers. His tweets are adorable…lots of !!!, lols and hahas.

  28. Thanks, Balance. The Twitter followers thing is fascinating to me. In comparison to Archie’s 68K, Jordin has nearly 100K, but Daughtry has only 23K, Kelly Clarkson has ~27K, Carrie has 40K. Meanwhile Ashton Kutcher, John Mayer, Ellen Degeneres, Britney Spears, and Ryan Seacrest are part of the elite club of celebs with over 1 million followers.

  29. If live shows are where the money is now, then it’s a good thing my faves from this show, this season and last, don’t need autotune and CAN actually sing. I’ve seen David Cook and his band and, my, he sounds fantastic live.

  30. You also have to remember that some idols have not been on Twitter for very long. As an example, I think Daughtry has only been on Twitter for a month or so.

  31. edit: knock off the fan warring. looking to be put back into moderation?

  32. personally, i cannot wait to play a kris, adam, allison song with real production and sound mixing…none of that lame AI crap. really, it bothers me that AI makes tons of money in advertisement and Itune sales, yet the production of these studio songs are so amateur. grrrrrrrrr

  33. Yeah daughtry has been on since around april 22nd.. jordin about a month earlier, some time in march.. and david for about a month(though the first week or two no one was sure it was him till he started saying it was lol)

  34. Neither Kris or Adam are doing well in terms of album sales, both totals pale in comparison to sales of their singles. This tells me that people were buying singles from Both during the season, so they had no reason to be redundant and buy the albums. Over the past two weeks, both have sold over 500,000 singles, but their combined album numbers don’t even come close to 50,000. Another good sign for both is the sale of their live performances, which as someone said, are often better than the studio versions of their songs.

    I don’t think these numbers have anything to do with how well their first cds will sale, especially since it is mainly AI viewers who are buying these singles and albums, and for their first efforts, they will have to branch out beyond just idol viewers if they are going to be successful. And given that the vast majority of both of their sales have come from the sale of their singles, I don’t know how the album numbers tell us that people like Adam or Kris more than they like the other.

  35. Guys Kelly Clarkson DOESN’T TWITTER. She’s said a million times. The twitter is fake.

  36. Kelly Clarkson DOESNà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢T TWITTER.

    Oops. DC has a fake one too, but it’s a crappy fake, so much less convincing. You know what sucks, both Kris Allen and Adam’s fake ones are on wefollow.com. Kris’ has 40K followers, and Adam’s has ~15K. At least I’m quite sure Kris’ is fake. Adam’s is very obviously fake.

  37. Neither Kris or Adam have Twitter. All of those Twitter accounts are FAKE. Both of them have said so in various interviews. And judging from their responses when asked if they’re going to get one soon, they both say it’s not likely. Neither of them seem into Twitter AT ALL.

  38. The itunes sales right now will never be a good indicator of who will actually do well with an album. All that matters is the marketing, timing, genre of album, quality of the first single, whether it catches on, etc. that will lead to a successful album.

    Some website was recently dissecting the results of past years, and they pointed out that, say Blake outsold Jordin at the end of S6 with itunes sales, but that didn’t indicate future selling potential. IIRC, Chris outsold Taylor his year, but not by that much, but of course when the album dropped, that was a whole other story. No one cares about the itunes idol songs at that point!

    Similar story with David Cook – he sold a ton of itunes tracks (and I bought a ton!) but the album was just a modest success (not huge, as one may have guessed based on the itunes sales). So, yeah — it really just depends on what albums they make, if they have catchy, radio-friendly singles, and how well they’re promoted to catch on quickly.

    I think Adam and Kris definitely deserve great successful careers. I wish the best for Allison too, and she could also have some great success.

  39. Carrie’s Twitter is fake too. She’s addressed the fake ones before and her MySpace has a note on the front letting people know she doesn’t twitter so if you’re following someone you think is her they’re fake.

  40. Similar story with David Cook – he sold a ton of itunes tracks (and I bought a ton!) but the album was just a modest success (not huge, as one may have guessed based on the itunes sales). So, yeah à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  it really just depends on what albums they make, if they have catchy, radio-friendly singles, and how well theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re promoted to catch on quickly.

    Chart year – week 26 The best selling CDs.

    1 FEARLESS TAYLOR SWIFT 2,627,405
    2 I AMà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦SASHA FIERCE BEYONCE 2,172,239
    3 DARK HORSE NICKELBACK 1,933,854
    4 TWILIGHT SOUNDTRACK 1,697,638
    5 CIRCUS BRITNEY SPEARS 1,540,989
    6 808S & HEARTBREAK KANYE WEST 1,526,047
    7 DAVID COOK DAVID COOK 1,131,729
    8 NOW 29 VARIOUS ARTISTS 1,073,367
    9 INTUITION JAMIE FOXX 920,835
    10 HANNAH MONTANA: THE MOVIE SOUNDTRACK 894,085
    11 NO LINE ON THE HORIZON U2 892,869

    David Cook has the # 1 selling record for this chart year for any new artist. He currently sits at # 7 for all albums selling this chart year. Pretty more than modest I would say in this climate. The record industry has changed drastically in the past few years. So if you sell a Platinum record in today’s market you are doing pretty good.

  41. Cook’s CD was more than a modest success. We have to adjust our thinking to the realities of the new market. He is well over platinum in sales, and has the highest sales of any new musician on the charts for the chart year that began in mid-November. He has the 7th ranked sales for the chart year, and is somewhere in the 20’s in rank, I believe, in album sales since January 1st. He is keeping up with the big boys.

    For 2008, the Idol sales were also not revealed for the period during the competition, just like 2009. In fact, the coronation song was only available for I think 3 days before all access was cut off, and the rest of his and the others’ tracks, IIRC, were only out for 4 days during which they were counted. I know so many people wanted those tracks and could not get them because they were gone. This year’s tracks were out for a week for chart purposes, and now beyond. It is hard to say which effect was more prominent – the loss of sales due to the short availability, or the gain of sales due to urgency.

    It is hard to compare seasons, too, because there were no compilations last year, and no iTunes pass. Amazon had DCTR on preorder after some time, but I think iTunes didn’t offer preorder until much closer to the time of the releases.

  42. David Cook has the # 1 selling record for this chart year for any new artist. He currently sits at # 7 for all albums selling this chart year. Pretty more than modest I would say in this climate. The record industry has changed drastically in the past few years. So if you sell a Platinum record in todayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s market you are doing pretty good.

    Thank you for posting this! I remember seeing it before and couldn’t find it to post in response to the other post. This proves that Cook is doing very well and far better than “modest”.

  43. Twitter…?? Why in the world would anyone Twitter anything unless it is strictly for “fan” purposes. You are putting everything out into the blogosphere for anyone to read and misinterpret. 1 million people find it interesting to know what Britney Spears had for breakfast? Just cannot understand the morbid fascination.

    Regardless how unreliable the sales are for the idols I just think it is great that they are selling anything. At 20 cents a pop royalties they are making some good pocket money. Now maybe Kris’ father-in-law will get off of his back (and that was supposed to be a joke!)

  44. I think people see Cookie’s success as “modest” because he hasn’t had a monster breakout top 40 hit, despite a platinum single (magic rainbow), a platinum album (in about 4 months), and a successful first tour. Sigh. I bet he thinks he’s pretty successful, having played to thousands of people in the Philipines, and making better than a bartender’s salary.

  45. Was looking at the “Global Track Chart” and noticed Kris Allen, Adam Lambert, Kelly Clarkson and David Cook made the top 40.

    Link to the complete list here.

    Idol Highlights:
    #20 (NEW) No Boundaries – Kris Allen (Jive) – 111.000
    #23 (12/11 Week 18) My Life Would Suck Without You – Kelly Clarkson (RCA) – 106.000
    #26 (NEW) Heartless – Kris Allen (Jive) – 100.000
    #29 (NEW) Mad World – Adam Lambert (Jive) – 96.000
    #34 (NEW) Permanent – David Cook (RCA) – 87.000
    #38 (35/38 Week 3) I Do Not Hook Up – Kelly Clarkson (RCA) – 80.000

    Interestingly, both Kris and Adam have Jive as their label.

  46. Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s CD was more than a modest success. We have to adjust our thinking to the realities of the new market. He is well over platinum in sales, and has the highest sales of any new musician on the charts for the chart year that began in mid-November.

    QFT.

    I think people see Cookieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s success as à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“modestà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  because he hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t had a monster breakout top 40 hit, despite a platinum single (magic rainbow), a platinum album (in about 4 months), and a successful first tour.

    It’s one thing to talk about singles and airplay, but the claim was about his album, and that is simply false. There’s nothing “modest” about his album’s success. The only way to slant it negatively is by posing impossible expectations (like – “he should have outsold Daughtry”, or in this case “he should have sold like he did during Idol”). When you set the bar high enough, everyone looks like failures.

    ETA: Always a ray of sunshine, Noctem. Gotta love the spreading of unsubstantiated rumors of impending doom.

  47. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a big part of it, and that perception is an issue going forward because the word is that a lot of radio people share this perception.

    May I ask where the “word” is coming from?

  48. May I ask where the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“wordà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is coming from?

    I didn’t make the original statement, but I did listen to a radio interview recently, where the DJ interviewing DC said something like congrats on your Gold album, and had to be corrected that it was platinum. The DJ and DC laughed about the correction, but the DJ sounded surprised. And anecdotally, I find there are people I know in real life who have no idea “what happened” to David Cook after Idol simply because he’s not all over Top 40. Granted, I think his success thus far is far more than “modest”. But I really hope he hits that turning point where he’s more of a known entity to the general public.

  49. David Cook has the # 1 selling record for this chart year for any new artist. He currently sits at # 7 for all albums selling this chart year. Pretty more than modest I would say in this climate.

    Cook is a “new” artist but the promotion that he has been receiving as the reigning American Idol winner (especially when the Idol is running) is unlike what other “new” or even established artists would receive. I think this is what may lead some to say that his success has been “modest” to date. Regardless, “modest” success is good and he should be very proud.

  50. The only way to slant it negatively is by posing impossible expectations (like – à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“he should have outsold Daughtryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ,

    Currently in this climate, I doubt that Daughtry will outsell Daughtry. In fact, we can’t even guarantee that his second album will outsell Cook.

  51. if you have a million in record sales right now, there’s nothing modest about it. Seriously, many top name artists are struggling to make platinum. U2, Beyonce, Britney and others who used to go platinum almost imemdiately now take forever. Cook’s top 40 play has been limited, but he does get some play on rock radio and even HAC. He needs some more radio-friendly hits with his next album and he should soar.

  52. Cook is a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“newà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  artist but the promotion that he has been receiving as the reigning American Idol winner (especially when the Idol is running) is unlike what other à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“newà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  or even established artists would receive. I think this is what may lead some to say that his success has been à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“modestà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  to date.

    Well, even without the “new artist” addandum, he has the #7 best selling album this chart year. If that, and selling Platinum plus at this time of declining record sales is “modest”, I don’t know what is impressive.

    But again, for some people, no accomplishment is good enough. After all, you can always expect more.

    The issue of his perceived success is a different one than actual sales, and the “modest” comment was made about actual album sales, not about what this DJ or that DJ said or thought.

    ETA:

    And I believe this is a place where I can do that without thinking that I may be chased away by the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“rainbow policeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

    noctem, While I may attempt to keep things positive, I am nothing if not realistic and practical. No rainbows here. My only gripe with what you said, is that speaking in generalized term (“the word is”) when there’s no actual source one can check up to verify, creates an issue where there might not be one. Also – reading 1,2, even 10 opinions does not account for the majority of radio people, or even a lot of them. IMHO it’s taking something that may be very small and blowing it up. Sorry if that opinion seems to you like “rainbow police”.

  53. In harsh economic times, even the best of all promotions isn’t going to guarantee you multi platinum sales. Kelly Clarkson had massive promotion for her album including AI, SNL, all the talk shows, Oprah, etc. U2 had such massive promotion that articles were written about it. All of the promotion in the world isn’t going to get someone to buy something they don’t want.

  54. May I ask where the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“wordà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is coming from?

    I read elsewhere that elsewhere there have tweets that have been picked up from PDs, station managers, and the like that have basically said as much. As to what the context of those alleged tweets were, I honestly admit that I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know.

    LOL…well it must be true then. But until Oprah says it, I’m not buying it.

    I appreciate your honesty Noctem and for the record, I don’t post often but I lurk everywhere and while your posts sometimes make me wince involuntarily, I do appreciate your perspective.

  55. only 8 albums this year have hit a million…that’s very telling about the climate for CDs. The album is dead…singles are in, legal or otherwise. This is why the labels fought for that 30 cent increase on downloads and the increased price on downloadable albums.

  56. I read elsewhere that elsewhere there have tweets that have been picked up from PDs, station managers, and the like that have basically said as much. As to what the context of those alleged tweets were, I honestly admit that I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know.

    I think I understand the confusion with noctem’s comment. It sounds a bit like he’s saying he heard Top 40 PDs are rejecting DC in general because there’s a perception he was doing badly on radio. I’m not sure that’s the case. What I read recently was more specifically related to CBTM. Fans got responses from some Top 40 PD’s who actually like and want to spin CBTM that it’s too bad CBTM isn’t doing well on Top 40, or they would spin it more. So I’d say the perception that CBTM is dead on Top 40 among radio peeps is there. The perception that DC the artist was/is/will be forever dead on Top 40, however… I’m not sure there’s evidence of this yet. LO was no big hit on Top 40, but at least did (hee) modestly. I optimistically hold onto hope that CBTM isn’t jiving because of the song, not due to any prejudice against DC. Whew, sorry that was longwinded.

  57. Cook is a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“newà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  artist but the promotion that he has been receiving as the reigning American Idol winner (especially when the Idol is running) is unlike what other à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“newà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  or even established artists would receive. I think this is what may lead some to say that his success has been à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“modestà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  to date. Regardless, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“modestà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  success is good and he should be very proud.

    He is a new artist but even if he was not a new artist he has the #7 album this chart year so far. Are you suggesting that Mr. Cook sales should be comparable to Beyonce’s or Nickelbacks? I don’t believe that is fair to Mr. Cook on his freshman major label album and I am also not sure what you would consider more than “modest” success this year. Record sales have been down across the board for the past several years. Successful albums from 3 or 4 years ago sold much more than successful ones do this year. When I look at a successful album the climate in which it lives has got to be taken into account.

  58. Interestingly, both Kris and Adam have Jive as their label.

    Is that World Wide chart reliable?? Or do they just copy label info from Mediabase? I’m trying to wrap my mind around why they would assign both Kris and Adam to the same label. Throw in the Allison rumors it’s even more bizarre.

    I didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make the original statement, but I did listen to a radio interview recently, where the DJ interviewing DC said something like congrats on your Gold album, and had to be corrected that it was platinum. The DJ and DC laughed about the correction, but the DJ sounded surprised

    Sadly, I saw a lot of reaction like that when he was on AI and got his plaque. I saw lots of Twitters and blogs from casual AI watchers who were all “David Cook sold a million albums? Seriously?”. That sort of thing.

    Can I just say I feel so sorry for Daughtry? Love em to pieces but I feel like they set the bar in a way for sales and their numbers are not the kind of thing you see everyday. So what happens if Daughtry doesn’t explode with massive sales this time around. Even taking into consideration the drastic difference in CD sales and the economy I can see them being knocked because they arent selling a million albums in a month.

  59. In harsh economic times, even the best of all promotions isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t going to guarantee you multi platinum sales. Kelly Clarkson had massive promotion for her album including AI, SNL, all the talk shows, Oprah, etc. U2 had such massive promotion that articles were written about it. All of the promotion in the world isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t going to get someone to buy something they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want.

    Yes, promotion in itself does not guarantee success but I would think that generally speaking, promotion helps — especially when that promotion is on the #1 television show in the U.S. I think Kelly Clarkson is around 525,000 in album sales. Without the “massive” promotion she got — especially with her first single — I doubt she would even be there. A really “good” album may not sell if it doesn’t have enough promotion — ask Elliott Yamin or Melinda Doolittle. People won’t know about it.

  60. I optimistically hold onto hope that CBTM isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t jiving because of the song, not because due to any prejudice against DC. Whew, sorry that was longwinded.

    I was not crazy about CBTM as a choice, so I was always a little skeptical about it doing well on radio. However, I’ve heard it on the radio a few times and for some reason, it sounds really good next to the other songs played! Even my brother who likes Lady Gaga type music perked up when it came on the radio and asked who sang it. So now I can’t understand why it’s not doing well on top 40. I suspect its lack of an edge and/or lack of a strong repetitive dance beat might be the problem for top 40. Technically it should do as well as the Fray song but then the Fray have excellent top 40 history and David doesn’t. Anyway, CBTM is doing very well on HAC so until that bullet disappears, I’m still optimistic about it too.

    Unfortunately, most people’s perception of a new artist’s success comes from radio play and single sales. I would agree that David’s success in that area is modest. However, I think that his album sales in this climate are way above modest. I’ve never agreed with the promotion argument. I’ve seen lots of artists promoted just as well as David and some a lot more at the time of their album sales (eg Kelly and U2) and neither sold albums as briskly as David. I think we just scrutinize the Idol contestants more so we have a skewed view of the amount of promotion they get. In the real world, most people who watched Idol, did not see David on TV until he performed CBTM this year on the AI stage.

  61. Look at a 10-year comparsion for album sales, showing what dire straits the industry is in:

    May 22, 1999:

    01 252000 A PLACE IN THE SUN Tim McGraw
    02 174000 FANMAIL TLC
    03 173000 STAR WARS EPISODE I:THE PHANTOM MENACE Soundtrack
    04 157000 RUFF RYDERS:RYDE OR DIE VOLUME 1 Various
    05 151000 COME ON OVER Shania Twain
    06 120000 …BABY ONE MORE TIME Britney Spears
    07 113000 WIDE OPEN SPACES Dixie Chicks
    08 110000 I AM… Nas
    09 109000 BELIEVE Cher
    10 107000 SOGNO Andrea Bocelli

    (top ten: 1,466,000 total)

    May 23, 2009:

    01 83468 EPIPHANY Chrisette Michele
    02 81533 HANNAH MONTANA: THE MOVIE Soundtrack
    03 80890 FANTASY RIDE Ciara
    04 57987 UNSTOPPABLE Rascal Flatts
    05 50734 TOGETHER THROUGH LIFE Bob Dylan
    06 41328 THE FAME Lady GaGa
    07 40534 FEARLESS Taylor Swift
    08 34828 DEEPER THAN RAP Rick Ross
    09 34363 WHITE LIES FOR DARK TIMES Ben Harper & Relentless7
    10 31908 TWILIGHT Soundtrack

    (top ten: 537, 573 total; or about a 64% drop in sales over 10 years).

    Has Lady GaGa even made gold yet? She’s on her third major single.

    This is not an industry I would invest in any time soon.

  62. What I actually took umbrage with was the notion that I had prophesied à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“impending doomà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

    Well, sorry about that. I do have a tendency toward hyperbole at times, and this was one such time.

    I think we just scrutinize the Idol contestants more so we have a skewed view of the amount of promotion they get. In the real world, most people who watched Idol, did not see David on TV until he performed CBTM this year on the AI stage.

    I think that goes beyond the promotion argument. For most of the artists I like, I could care less how much they sell or how well their singles chart. Once I like a band, I buy their new albums when they come out, I don’t rely on radio to hear them. I think the extra scrutiny we give Idols have a lot to do with the competitive nature of American Idol. We get used to them being in competition, and we don’t let that go even years after the show is done.

  63. There’s nothing wrong with the “modest” label IMO. It’s not like people are declaring him a flop as an Idol winner. A platinum album is nothing to sneeze at, but he hasn’t really had any hit songs outside of TOML. That might be why some perceive his success to be modest-modest in comparison to the expectations many had for him after he won. Right or wrong, the expectations for Idol winners are higher than other debut recording artists. Look at Jordin-she has a platinum album and three multi-platinum hit singles, yet some people still consider her one of the lesser Idol winners along with Taylor and Ruben. With that in mind, I’m not surprised some perceive Cook’s success to be “modest” at this point.

  64. David Cook is doing fine, if you adjust for the decline in CD sales over the years into account, he is probably (or rather would have been) selling more than past winners like Ruben Studdard or Fantasia. I am more concerned about Kris Allen (I should state that I like him the best this season) because I don’t see him as a big album seller, and with the continuing decline in CD sales, I seriously think that he would have trouble getting anyway near platinum, and may end up being considered as one of the worse, if not the worst, performing AI winner, even if the comparison with past winners would be unfair because of the general decline in CD sales.

  65. A platinum album is nothing to sneeze at, but he hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really had any hit songs outside of TOML. (snip) With that in mind, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not surprised some perceive Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s success to be à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“modestà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  at this point.

    She said his album sales were “modest”, not his overall success, that’s the issue this whole debate has been about.
    Now this has become a dead horse so I’ll stop beating it.

    No sales news to make this post worthwhile, but I just saw that CBTM is up to #11 on HAC and has a 300 bullet. I reiterate – multi-format approach is a big plus.

  66. :thumbup_tb:Thanks Mary 102 and Tkat, for your clarification on how the numbers work. I posted then had to sign off and get things done, so sorry for the late response.
    Finally makes sense, I thought everyone had to pay to download tunes, but it is all becoming clear now.

    Oh Yes, bring back the days when artists weren’t too proud to give concerts or perform at State Fairs or street fairs on in clubs just to keep their names known and their records selling .
    Even the concert scene sucks now, the prices are jacked up, costs a paycheck for a good time. Ridiculous. Maybe if they made it affordable for the masses, their artists would get more exposure and they might even develop a real following and maybe market stuff w/the artists name and cd’s while at the concert. Or is that too old fashioned or too “KISS” like?
    I digress. Thanks again for the info.

  67. Re: Cookie’s modest success. This is a perfect day for me to chime in. I heard “LO” on the way to work this morning. While I was running errands on my lunch hour, “CBTM” played on the all request lunch hour program. As I was pulling into the drive coming home tonight, “TOML” started up.

    He may not have a “monster” hit, but he currently has three different songs playing on the radio, on various formats. And has a platinum album to boot. I’m not worried about him at all.

  68. DC has a platinum album, is still consistently in the top 50 albums sold per week, and this is all without a big top 40 hit. Once he does get that big hit, what will his album sales look like then? I’d imagine pretty darn good. So the fact that DCTR is still chugging along is quite remarkable.

    I still think he’ll get that big hit on this album. I’d be willing to bet my next paycheck that Life On The Moon would do wonders on CHR. Declaration also has a chance.

  69. I hate to come back to the DAUGHTRY comparison again, but you canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t tell me that CHR PDs heard à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“No Surpriseà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and said à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Wow, this so fits in with the hot stuff weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re playing right now! Slide it in there right between Lady Gaga and the Black Eyed Peas!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  No, they are spinning it because à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“DAUGHTRYà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is a brand-name in music.

    I completely agree that Daughtry gets CHR airplay on name alone, but I do believe the change in CHR recently will be a key factor in how songs will do that don’t fit the more dance/rhythmic direction that it has taken. Right now Daughtry has a good spincrease of 288 on CHR, but is stalling a bit. Jordin, on the other hand, who has a single that fits much better with what’s in now on CHR, has a huge spincrease of 757.

  70. I also agree that Daughtry’s song is going the way it is on CHR because it’s Daughtry. That’s why it’s good to create a name with radio, easier to get your songs played. Which is where Cook is on HAC at this point. He’s not that name on CHR though, which is the more mainstream But despite that, he’s not been selling a lot less albums than Kelly who has 2 songs on the CHR top 20… They’re playing some of the same shows and he’s not behind her in tickets sold in the few I’ve seen.
    I don’t think CHR has any problem with him. In CBTM’s case I didn’t see any effort to get it played on CHR, there was for HAC but not CHR. One day, if the song fits it can be played. And he’s not bad at selling his material when he visits radio stations. Next time he should go visit z100 again.
    Also, not everyone in the country will hear about him. Sucks… but that’s life.

    Btw, Cook’s promo is not something out of this world like some people make it sound to be. But for some reason it always get picked on. Archie’s second single got a lot more promo and it didn’t do half as good.
    So promo does not equal to success.

    Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s interesting, because critics deride DC as à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“another Nickelback cloneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , but to my ears, there are exactly 1.5 Nickelbackian songs on his record: LOTM and 50% of LO. Now maybe the reason they didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to come out with LOTM right after LO is precisely because they didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to put him in the Nickelback pigeonhole.

    Yeah, I think LO and LOTM (and My Last Request, which is a bonus) are the Nickelback soundish. LOTM would be too much like LO, but it’s the one song I never liked, so.
    I’m not so sure about Lie doing that great. How many things that slow are doing good in that chart?
    I think Heroes would be the best option… or Declaration.

  71. Overall, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d still say Lie is the biggest potential hit he has left

    See, I think Lie is way too AC and not even the best ballad on DCTR (Avalanche). I really don’t think Lie would be a smart choice as a single, especially after a song like CBTM. YMMV.

  72. JESSE MCCARTNEY’s How Do You Sleep? was # 20 on top 40 and was as high as #7. His album sales total are somewhere around 205,000. This album has been out for awhile. So top 40 hit does not always equal good album sales.

  73. She said his album sales were à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“modestà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , not his overall success, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the issue this whole debate has been about.
    Now this has become a dead horse so Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll stop beating it.

    Even if we’re talking album sales, I can still understand how some would perceive his sales as “modest”. Obviously mileage varies on what is considered “modest” or not, but I don’t see the “modest” label as a negative or a knock on DC.

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d be willing to bet my next paycheck that Life On The Moon would do wonders on CHR.

    You and me both. I’d love for this to be the next single.

  74. Re: Cookieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s modest success. This is a perfect day for me to chime in. I heard à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“LOà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  on the way to work this morning. While I was running errands on my lunch hour, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“CBTMà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  played on the all request lunch hour program. As I was pulling into the drive coming home tonight, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“TOMLà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  started up.

    He may not have a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“monsterà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  hit, but he currently has three different songs playing on the radio, on various formats. And has a platinum album to boot. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not worried about him at all.

    Ha, the same thing happens to me, Emma. See, this is why it’s hard not to get all :rolleyes_tb: when someone says Cook “hasn’t had a hit.” Today at work I walked out of my office to the waiting room and heard LO around noonish. Went to lunch somewhere between 2 and 3 and at the local sports bar I heard LO on the radio again. Around 7 I heard CBTM as I was about to turn the radio off and head home. (And sadly, I listened to the whole thing before I left. Why? I don’t know. It just sounded kinda purdy, and I don’t even like the song much.) I hear David on the radio as much as I do Kelly. I have yet to hear I Do Not Hook Up on the radio, actually. So it’s like, am I existing in another dimension than these people who say he has dropped out of the public consciousness? Maybe I turned the frozen donkey wheel and flashed to Cooktard Island with the Light On Initiative? If I wonder down the beach, will I find a giant headed statue wearing elf boots and twenty different rubber bracelets? So, I’m not aggrandizing Cook, really, I swear, it’s just perception. *cough*

    See, I think Lie is way too AC and not even the best ballad on DCTR (Avalanche).

    Yeah, I’m not alone! Avalanche pwns me. Although I do like Lie, I don’t think it’s necessarily the only chance to break through to CHR, and I also think it almost sounds country. If they are going with LIe, they should rerecord it as a duet with Carrie and dual release it to country and do one of those Crossroads things. It would never happen, but I think the idea is brils.

    Honestly, I’ve always felt that Declaration is Cookie’s popular signature tune waiting to happen. Sadly, that wait is the thing that now concerns me. Summer release is probably it’s last chance. Sigh.

  75. Brian has album sales numbers up in Idol Chatter

    Kelly Clarkson, All I Ever Wanted (12,000, -12 percent, 593,000 total/3,000 digital, -14 percent, 128,000 digital total)
    Carrie Underwood, Carnival Ride (11,000, -9 percent, 2.88 million/208,000 total)
    David Cook, David Cook (11,000, -36 percent, 1.16 million/3,000, -64 percent, 140,000)
    Adam Lambert, Season 8 Favorite Performances (10,000, -39 percent, 25,000/25,000 digital)
    Daughtry, Daughtry (6,000, 7 percent, 4.46 million/1,000, -17 percent, 368,000)
    Kellie Pickler, Kellie Pickler (6,000, 2 percent, 228,000)
    Ruben Studdard, Love Is (5,000, -68 percent, 20,000)
    Carrie Underwood, Some Hearts (5,000, 0% change, 6.79 million)
    Chris Botti, Chris Botti Live in Boston (4,000, -17 percent, 99,000)
    Kris Allen, Season 8 Favorite Performances (4,000, -62 percent, 14,000/14,000 digital)
    Jennifer Hudson, Jennifer Hudson (4,000, -11 percent, 739,000)
    David Archuleta, David Archuleta (3,000, -6 percent, 708,000)

  76. ETA: Always a ray of sunshine, Noctem. Gotta love the spreading of unsubstantiated rumors of impending doom.

    Noctem was right. That was totally out of line. Everyone here is entitled to an opinion without having to endure snide remarks.

  77. Here is my overview of monies earned by Kris Allen and Adam Lambert for Top 200 Digital Downloads — singles & album sales:

    Kris Allen

    $678,142.08 ( 5 singles) $139,860.00 (album) = $818,002.08

    Adam Lambert

    $$483,296.37 (8 singles) $249,750.00 (album) = $733,046.37

    The album is a compilation of singles performed on the show and for me personally, I don’t consider it a true album. The compilation when purchased can also be a “complete album” purchase, meaning the cost of the compilation will vary, depending on what singles had been purchased prior. I based my calculations on the album sales @ $9.99, not having that data.

    (Not included in the above figures are the downloads that fall below this Digital download list.)

    The following totals below will include the sales from last week’s data for singles not appearing on the Digital Download list available, not including what might have been sold recently.

    Kris Allen

    $774,859.74 (11 singles) $139,860.00 (album) = $914,719.74

    Adam Lambert

    $528,081.00 (13 singles) $249,750.00 (album) = $777,831.00

    Difference in sales = $136,888.74

    Again this does not include the sales/dollar figure for the singles that fell below this chart’s data. As, I’ve stated before, selling the so-called album compilation is making less money than selling a single individually, meaning they’re losing money, in a sense, on the compilations. Also, not included are ringtones (Kris was #1 for some time), and videos (Adam & Kiss #1 for some time) bothe items, I believe selling @ $1.49.

    Figures not etched in stone, just my simple calculations on data available. Do with it what you will.

  78. I love Lie, but I think LOTM is the most underrated song on DCTR, esp in DC fandom. LOTM was love at first listen for me. LOVE it.

    Some download numbers from Brian I didn’t see above.

    David Cook, Permanent (American Idol Charity Version) (22,000, -44 percent, 61,000)
    David Cook, Come Back to Me (17,000, -13 percent, 164,000)
    Rascal Flatts, Here Comes Goodbye (12,000, -13 percent, 467,000)
    Carrie Underwood, Home Sweet Home (12,000, -64 percent, 300,000)
    David Cook, Permanent (10,000, -84 percent, 98,000)

  79. Heh. Noctem, I have to laugh at the thought CHR would not like a tune with a distorted sound. It is so full of autotuned songs you can barely discern a human voice on many of its top hits. I find nothing distorted sounding on Cook’s record. YMMV. When you consider the often nonsensical lyrics to many popular songs, it also strikes me as odd to think CHR would object to the lyrics to LOTM as obscure.

    If having the 7th best-selling album of the chart year is only a modest success for an artist, then I guess mileage varies pretty wildly. Ignoring the huge decline in album sales since Kelly, Carrie and Daughtry made their big sales makes no sense.

    Sunchick, I bow to the genius of your last post. Heh. I, too, like to think Declaration could come to be huge. Leome, thank you for your comment about David’s promo not being all that huge. When I think of what U2 had, or recall seeing Viva La Vida all over my TV, I have a hard time buying that his was so huge.

    EmmaJK, I also appreciate your point that we can’t discount the value of his having 3 hits out still playing at the same time on various formats. Many of the big singles come and go quickly. Cook’s seem to persist. That’s audience impressions, and that sells records as effectively as one big hit.

    As far as expectations formed after his songs were all over the charts after the finale (with no compilation album available like this year), if the expectation was for him to sell singles, then the expectations did not account for him being a rock artist. Rockers tend to sell albums, often to the exclusion of singles. He should have been expected to sell albums, and he has done that in spades. I see right now Dave Matthews Band’s album is on the top of iTunes, but their single did not rise all that high that I can recall. I do think AI has been single-oriented up to now because the winners were more pop oriented, and the expectation of singles success has been set by that. David did a rock album, and has followed the typical pattern.

    I see lots of anecdotal evidence being cited to support opposing opinions. For every person who tells a poster here that they never hear Cook’s songs, there are as many who hear them everywhere. Similarly, the alleged tweets of a few PDs may very well be an isolated impression. So a few people learned David’s album is platinum from seeing the AI presentation? Well, they know now, don’t they? Problem solved. His appearances on AI corrected any erroneous impression about that. Like most people, I’ve never known or cared whether my favorite artists were platinum or everyone else’s favorite. I’ve not known any stats on their radio play, or what format is or is not playing them.

    OK, I better end my novel now.

  80. Even the concert scene sucks now, the prices are jacked up, costs a paycheck for a good time. Ridiculous. Maybe if they made it affordable for the masses, their artists would get more exposure and they might even develop a real following and maybe market stuff w/the artists name and cdà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s while at the concert.

    You would like David Cook’s prices. I’ve been to 2 of his concerts, the first cost me $8.00 for my ticket, the second was $15.00. I consider that to be extremely affordable. Granted, on the next phase at casinos and other venues the prices seem to have increased, but I do believe he is trying to make it affordable for the masses.

  81. So which is better? To have a platinum album in 3 months and no Top 10 CHR hits (Cook)? Or to have sold 593K albums in 3 months and be ubiquitous in CHR (Kelly)? Obviously Kelly’s an established artist and I’m not saying Cook is anywhere near as successful as her, but on their current albums at least and considering they’ve both been getting top promotion, I just assumed her album would go platinum at least as fast as Cook’s, if not faster.

    Also, does anyone know the total audience reached by CHR vs. HAC? I think CHR gets more audience impressions regardless because they play the same 10 songs over and over again (it seems), but is the HAC audience (where Cook is doing much better) really that irrelevant as far as casual fans’ perspectives? I myself live in Cook country, so I’m a little surprised by other people actually not hearing him on the radio. I think the ‘casual fan’ perspective varies geographically a great deal, and we may be using success on CHR as a proxy for the experience of casual fans/listeners. Where I live, the big 3 HAC stations play him quite often (can’t get in the car without hearing at least 1 Cook song) and there’s only 1 CHR station, so I think he’s reaching more peeps than we think purely by having success on HAC.

  82. I can’t remember where I read this figure but David Cook made $2 million in 2008 and Archie made either 1.4 or 1.6. Nothing to sneeze at in my opinion. I’ll take it. lol.

  83. Yeah, I’ll take it too weelassie. Heh.

    About that potential CHR (or even multiformat) hit: I’ve said it before a loooooong way back: LOTM will do it. It’s not my favourite (changes, right now: Breathe Tonight), but the record version of the song has an emotive resonance – the lyrics, the raw vocals, his expression. It reminds me of……Magic Rainbow LOL!. In both songs, his vocals sound like they were tracked at a late session and he was really really tired. Both these songs, like ’em or leave ’em, are snapshots of a moment in his life that the public (the Idol public anyway) will have an immediate connection to. And NOTHING sells David Cook like David Cook (tmScott). It’s a story-song, a mid tempo angsty rock ballad that just fits his “fairytale”. The media will lap it up.

    The only hesitation I’d have about a release of this song is in the timing – coz it doesn’t sound like a summer single IMO *shrugs*.

  84. So say he ends up selling 1.5 M, and she ends up up with 875K. But, when their successive albums drop, at this point only of one them will automatically have their new singles played on two (actually three) formats, with no questions asked, and ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not him.

    I totally get what you are trying to say Noctem, but I’m still not convinced that it is accurate. RCA is bottom-line concerned with the amount of money that they are making, and clearly 15 million is substantially more than 9 million. That would mean two sub-platinum albums in a row for Kelly. What you are saying is that RCA would be willing to sacrifice 6 million in profit in exchange for the “prestige” of a couple of bonafide CHR hits?

    You are still working under the paradigm that radio in general, and CHR specifically, is as relevant as it was 5 years ago. Radio has only ever been relevant insofar as it sold singles, which in turn sold albums (the real end goal), but that does not seem to be the case any longer. I can genuinely say that very few in my circle of aquaintances actively listen to the radio any longer. Instead we seek out new music in our preferred genres on the internet and make our own playlists, or if particularly inspired, we might puchase the CD. I do not believe that my experience is unique.

    If you think that the Record Industry is in shambles, its prospects are positively glowing next to those of the Radio Broadcast Industry. Lay-offs and station shutdowns are rampant, and yuck, so much (cheaper to produce) talk radio. I would think someone who is proven to be able to sell as well as Cook without the full support of radio would be seen as a treasure by RCA. Cause it ain’t getting better.

    Has Katie Perry (sic) even sold a million albums yet? And after a year and how many hit singles?

  85. And this is the reason there is concern about DCà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s inability to make headway at CHR.

    Put me down as one who isn’t bothered at all by David Cook’s poor showing on CHR. I am far more bothered that he isn’t getting any play at all on rock stations. Rock is what he wants to do, and I’m sure it means more to him to be seen as a credible rock musician than someone who gets airplay all the time on CHR. It is in any case still too early in worry about it, I’m pretty sure he’ll have a big CHR hit sooner or later, but even if he never gets one big CHR hit I’m not sure if I care (and they seem to play mostly drecks anyway).

    I think David Cook will continue to do well enough to make a good living doing what he likes to do, mega-hits or no mega-hits. He has a big enough hard-core fan base and he is generally well-liked. Perception of success in any case a funny thing, someone earlier in the thread said that he had only one big hit in Time Of My Life, which is odd considering Light On is inching its way towards platinum status (~60K short I think) and isn’t selling that many fewer copies than TOML. I’m sure there are a lot of talented musicians who would kill for that David Cook kind of “moderate” success.

  86. Put me down as one who isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t bothered at all by David Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s poor showing on CHR.

    I so agree Hazehel. In fact, I’ll go a bit further to say that I’m selfishly glad he isn’t such a big hit on CHR. He’s doing well enough in selling his record that I’m sure a second is guaranteed. He seems to be delighted (as I am) with what he’s done. If he becomes the biggest star evah, he loses accessibility. I’d much rather see him in a venue that seats under 5,000 than one that seats 20,000. Those typically (maybe always) have sucky sound. And I don’t even want him to bastardize his music to try to get that elusive CHR hit.

    I don’t listen to the radio and haven’t really for at least 20 years (more like almost 40 years for CHR). I don’t care if he ever charts big on CHR. I just don’t. He will still be able to make music. If CHR doesn’t like his music, it just reaffirms why I don’t listen to it. I’m just interested in hearing his music and not in him being a ginormous star because I think he’ll be fine without that, and I believe he thinks he will be fine without that.

    The one other person I follow, and not nearly as closely because the numbers aren’t easily available at all, is someone who has been doing this for 20 years. He’s on his 12th record. He can comfortably sell out venues of about 500 and many more if it’s part of a festival. He was supposedly (I couldn’t even find it) at the top of the Americana charts for sales earlier this year. I have no clue what being at the top of that chart means in terms of numbers because I never found that chart, but he was freaking delighted. He’s not rich in terms of money, but he is in terms of being able to do what he wants to do for a living. I have to think that’s so much more important than stardom or all the money in the world

    I guess I’m not a typical AI or MJ’s fan. Until Cook, I watched the show but never looked for any more information about the contestants. I didn’t vote, I didn’t buy music. I actually didn’t much care until Cook. I actually don’t care much after. I voted this year because I could and preferred one in the final 3, but I don’t know if I’ll buy his music or not. I’m certainly not invested as I was last season. I’m not about my favorite being the biggest star ever. I honestly think it would be better if he wasn’t because I’m selfish or maybe because I’m protective. Either way, I’m convinced he will be fine.

    So to make a long post even longer, I think that CHR isn’t the be all end all. Yeah, he could probably sell more singles, but I seriously doubt that will translate all that much to albums. I think he’s doing just fine with HAC and AC loving him. I think he will be able to make albums and give concerts for a long time to come without CHR getting on board with him. I’m alright with that.

  87. Personally, I think David doesn’t have the brand Kelly does because it takes time to build one. A year from now, his brand will be further built and may very well extend to CHR, though it need not. CHR would not be the natural home of any rocker. There are a very few rockers who have been able to do well over there. I think David is actually notable for being one of the few rockers to even have moderate success on CHR. You can’t just ignore that his chosen genre has an impact on how he’ll do. Daughtry did quite well, but that is highly unusual. His newest song so far is not racing up the charts there. You cannot expect a rocker to have the same reception on CHR as a pop artist whose natural home it is. I don’t want him to sacrifice his musical identity to satisfy the desire of some fans to be able to declare him a superstar. He is already enjoying more CHR success than all but a handful of rockers ever dream of, at least in recent decades. I will take his level of success there so far any day.

  88. I have to add, I think RCA has to be so delighted to have an album seller on their hands. I forget who said earlier that albums are where the money is, but that is a huge point that is getting lost in the trees here. Radio play is a factor in sales, which is the reason it has any relevance. But if the sales are happening anyway, why the concern? Kelly had nearly as much exposure on AI as David, yet it has not moved her album. Her massive radio play has not changed this. I think RCA is smart enough to also discern that their relative newbie is worth investing in, and not to expect him to achieve what acts that have been out there 7 years prior are achieving. There is time for him to get more hits.

    Much is being made of his Idol appearances moving his albums, and that is part of what is happening, but it has not helped the albums of several other alumni that appeared last year. He sells because he is good. I think the combined AI of all of this songs currently charting is worth the same, in terms of moving albums, as one really monster song that disappears quickly. If you look at combined AI, I believe he is pretty high up there, even without the level of CHR success that is deemed to be big. Frankly, I think he has plenty of CHR success, but that’s JMO.

  89. Dave Cook is a huge seller for RCA. I’m sure the label is more than happy with what he has accomplished. He’s one of the best idol sellers, one of the most successful idols and artists. He is most people’s favorite american dol EVER!
    I’d say he has a long future ahead of himself. :happy_tb:

  90. Both these songs, like à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹em or leave à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹em, are snapshots of a moment in his life that the public (the Idol public anyway) will have an immediate connection to. And NOTHING sells David Cook like David Cook (tmScott). Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a story-song, a mid tempo angsty rock ballad that just fits his à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“fairytaleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ . The media will lap it up.

    The other thing LOTM has going for it…when I first heard it, even though I knew David’s inspiration for the song, it reminded me of freshmen year of college. So beyond the interest in David’s fairytail, I’m sure it’s relatable to anyone who ever felt alone in a crowded room, anyone who ever rolled the dice and left behind the familiar for something bigger and a bit murkier…

    You think MLR sounds Nickelbackish? I hear Brit-pop all the way in that song.

    Heh, I think it sounds neither Nicklebackish or Brit-poppy. I think it sounds Journey-ish.

    Anyway, noctem, I don’t think anyone is going to argue against CHR dominance being the most reliable hallmark of big time success in the music business. But I also think you are selling Cook’s brand a bit short. Maybe that’s because a lot of bands I like have loyal followings and continue to put out albums and tour without CHR dominance. I dunno.

  91. In honesty, though, all heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s proven is that he can sell under these conditionsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ while heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s one year removed from à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“starringà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  on the TV show with the largest viewing audience in Americaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

    Idols almost uniformly sell less their second time around, and RCA knows thisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been through it before. So, Cook has to prove that he can still sell when heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s further removed from that starring role

    The idols who are not successful cases are not selling the number of albums (and singles) that Cook is a year after idol. By this point many idol’s albums wouldn’t even be in the BB100 or 200. The fact that David’s album is still doing what it is, shows that he has passed the “conditions” you are talking about and it’s proving that he can still sell. There’s already a new idol and runner up in town.
    And for what’s worth, it’s not just idols that sell less their second album… It happens to almost every artist at this point.
    Anyways… David has had 2 songs in the CHR top 30. That’s something not everyone can get in their book. That’s why I think his songs can still get CHR airplay, as long as it fits the format at the moment and it gets a bit of a push.

    You think MLR sounds Nickelbackish? I hear Brit-pop all the way in that song. I think it could have been the Oasis single that came right after Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova! […] But, since bands like Oasis and Blur donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really have much of a radio presence these days, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d say ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s probabaly not a good candidate for a single

    I think many different things could be called Brit-Pop… I hear some of that post.grounge sound. But I think it was a mistake not to have it in the album because it would be one of the best singles… lol we’re really not on the same page with this one. I agree that it has grown on me, but I enjoyed it the first time I listened to it.

    But I also think you are selling Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s brand a bit short. Maybe thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s because a lot of bands I like have loyal followings and continue to put out albums and tour without CHR dominance. I dunno.

    I think it’s the idol mentality. You’re either the biggest thing or you’re nothing. You have to do better or at least as good as the ones before or you’re not worthy. There’s no space for something in between.
    I think many of us are fans of artists who do not get airplay and still keep on doing music and playing live shows. Maybe that’s why it’s complicated to see what David is doing as nothing but great.

  92. Shell29: I wouldn’t say that David’s only hit was TOML. Light on (whether or not you heard it where you live) is sure to get platinum and charted higher on HAC and CHR than TOML.

    I also think David’s album sales are fantastic. He has sold almost 1.2 million albums in six months when it took Jordin a year to get a million and she had 3 huge CHR hits. If David had one huge CHR hit his album sales would be even better.

    Also, if David’s sales are modest then what are Kelly’s? I also think Daughtry is going to be lucky to get 2 million. Sales are down the toilet these days. If David had released back in 03 or 04 his sales would be at least double what they are now.

    I also think we need to realize the days (at least for the time being) of huge album sales are pretty much over and we may need to stop comparing people to Kelly, Carrie and Daughtry. If they won AI this year or were on there I don’t think there is anyway they would have sold as many records as they have in the past or done as well on the charts as they have. They wouldn’t be considered “superstars” that’s for sure. Times have changed and with that the typical thinking of AI should change too. It’s now all or nothing. There are in betweens; esp. these days. If the Davids had released a few years ago they’d probably be “superstars” and if the others had released this year they’d probably be in the same boat or less than the David’s. It’s all about the times people.

    Also, David’s sales may raise with Idol appearances but that’s not a given for everyone. The fact that he’s done so well with appearances is great because there are plenty of people who appear on the show and their sales don’t go up. It at least shows there are people interested in him.

    Also, CHR has totally changed. It’s mostly R&B and dance now. If David had released his album a couple of years ago or a couple of years from now his songs could have killed on CHR but it’s changed so much it’s unlikely that any of his songs will kill on CHR; even the best ones. I don’t think it’s personal against him at all or TOML and Light On wouldn’t have charted as well on CHR; it’s the fact that CHR has changed so much. We can talk all we want about him needing that huge CHR hit but fact is it probably won’t happen this go around. With the changes in CHR it’s not going to happen; unless it changes again in the next few months.

  93. Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s CD was more than a modest success.

    Just to clarify my original comment about his album being a modest success – I meant it better than it came off (and I LOVE Cook btw – I was so freaking ecstatic he won last year, listen to his AI songs ALL the time still, and I only went to last year’s tour because he won!)

    What I meant was, on a scale of Daughtry/Carrie/Kelly = HUGE success, Cook was not quite at a Daughtry level, but still a success. Definitely not Taylor Hicks territory!

    In fact Come Back to Me is getting lots of airplay where I live :clap_tb:

  94. I agree Mary and thank you for clarifying. I just don’t think we can compare people to them anymore because of the state of the economy and album sales in general. I mean Kelly’s sales have gone way down and Daughtry will be lucky to sell half of what he did last time. It’s all about the times. If those 3 released their albums this year instead of then things would have been much different for them and if David had released his when they did vice versa. I just think the comparsion game really does’t work anymore; esp. using those 3 as benchmarks.

  95. Kelly’s first album sales were similar to Cook’s, even less so, since there was only one hit single on the whole album. She didn’t really explode until her second album and good cross promotion with a movie. We have no way of knowing what will happen with Cook’s album. Chances are there will be at least two more singles. We can revisit after that. To me, his record is already a success. Everything else that comes along is gravy :).

  96. Great discussion. I pretty much agree completely with noctem’s last handful of posts RE: CHR success, the David Cook brand name, etc. but I also see others’ point that DC can continue doing very well making great music with just HAC success. I think DC is doing fantastic with album sales, but hell, Josh Groban sells millions with no radio play, and I don’t think that’s the model we’re going for. I know, that’s an extreme example, and DC is not that, cuz HAC is a great format and nothing to sneeze at– I just want to see him break out on Top 40 to get that name recognition. Top 40 is pretty much all anyone my age listens to in urban areas.

    If Matt Nathanson and Jason Mraz and The Fray and that stupid Shinedown song can hit big on Top 40, I don’t see why DC can’t. I’m not saying Top 40 sells albums, and I don’t want to give up DC’s album sales success in exchange for CHR hits, but I’m greedily saying both would be ideal. CHR hits may not sell albums, but hit songs build brand awareness to a wide audience, which lures them to concerts, and concerts are where DC and the band have the potential to convert these casually interested ppl into fans, and *that* sells records. Moreover, hit CHR songs help maintain interest for the next album, and keeps the radio doors open for future songs, which perpetuates the David Cook brand for the next album, and so on.

    Anyway, all that said. I don’t know what will happen to the next DCTR single(s). I sincerely hope something hits big on CHR, but that format is such a crapshoot. Personally, I think half the songs on DCTR would sound great on my Top 40 station, including CBTM but I’m no PD, so who knows what will happen. Just waiting and see, hoping for the best now :).

  97. Kellyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s first album sales were similar to Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s, even less so, since there was only one hit single on the whole album.

    huh? Kellys first album sold 2.7 million.

  98. 2.7 million seven years ago is much different than that same number today. Bottom line, Kelly’s first album did not generate multiple hit singles.

  99. I know things are different now, but the bottom line is the sales aren’t similar.

  100. dv
    Jun 4th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
    I know things are different now, but the bottom line is the sales arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t similar.

    Don’t forget that Kelly’s 2.7 million total is for 7-8 years of sales, whereas Cookie’s 1.2 million is for 6 months of sales. In addition I have heard it said that record sales are conservatively down 50% from even just 5 years ago. Puts it in perspective.

  101. If Matt Nathanson and Jason Mraz and The Fray and that stupid Shinedown song can hit big on Top 40, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see why DC canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t.

    According to Wiki, Come On Get Higher peaked at 25 on CHR. I think LO peaked at 20. So, in that context, DC already did. :smile1_ee: Can’t touch Mraz, though, or The Fray.

    I dunno. When I was in college, we prided ourselves on finding cool bands that weren’t all over Top 40 radio. (Jeebus, I get freaked out when I realize that was close to 10 years ago.) I guess I still have that mindset in a way so it’s hard to get all worked up because Cookie gets more US airplay than half the stuff on my iPod ever did. How the hell did I get invested in an AI dude? I mean, seriously.

  102. Come On Get Higher peaked at 25 on CHR. I think LO peaked at 20.

    Oh yeah? COGH has peaked? I’ve been hearing it more and more on Top40 lately, so I figured it was still climbing. But yeah, LO’s #20 position was not bad at all, not to mention the fact that Z100 spun it, which was awesome. But I cannot understand why they won’t give CBTM a chance. Grr.

  103. Hallmark- a conspicuous feature or characteristic…I didn’t specify who would be perceiving these hallmarks, really, because I was referring to the grand world at large. And I also touched on the importance of perception with my awesome Lost analogy. I say awesome because if you know anything about Lost, the good guys and the bad guys aren’t really laid out in black and white, and a lot of the storytelling purposefully allows the audience to draw their own conclusions about the characters’ actions and you can come away with many different perceptions of the same set of circumstances. Basically, Cook’s heat index is not so cut and dried, really, as far as hot artists go, there are varying temperature degrees from cool to lukewarm to toasty to sizzling.

  104. ^Yeah, so I’m bored on a rainy day and rambling. Nothing to see here. Also, tale, fairyTALE. Not to be confused with tail, which is very nice but not pertinent to the discussion. Ugg, typos.

  105. I have been listening to music all 60 yrs. of my life so you can tell I came from the 45/ 33 1/3 etc era. So radio was huge. What I found now in the revolution of cell phones with ipods, ipods etc., many singles and albums are downloaded from others cd’s and played and played. I still have all my original DC songs from the show and have then on a personal c.d.. I also have the other of his album on my ipod plugged into my Mercedes Aux.. so that is how I listen to my music. This is hard to include in an actual count of how popular DC is. In the area I live, Pacific Northwest, the song that is getting the most ipod, bar scene play is Avalanche. It is really big and all are wanting a single and get them on their ipods from others. But to me it only matters if it becomes a hit for DC’s sake as I think it will be his biggest hit. In fact I think HUGE if this area is any example. I am talking about the late 20 to 30 yr olds. But for me I will just keep playing it on my ipod because then I can listen to it anytime I want and don’t need to wait for it. I don’t know if there is a way to factor in ipod plays but you would think in this day and age there would be. Just a thought of where a huge listening and support audience is also listening to DC songs. And I have no doubt he will continue to sell big. Like Carrie, he will play the singles out till there are no marketable ones left, then move on to his next album. Remember Carrie has only put out 2 albums, but also 3 independently released solo’s, Home Sweet Home, Told You So with Randy Travis, and I’ll Stand by You. Not sure about Praying for Time. She is just now working on her 3rd album, so I think DC’s label is pretty smart and knows just what they are doing. Giving DC and his team time to write and put together another great album. Maybe this will be the one for him that goes 7 mill. Ya just never know. But he certainly does have other singles on that album that can hit the charts. Remember Before He Cheats was Carries 4th release. And they are good friends and both very smart. They know the business. Just my 2-cents. Happy Days. Oops how funny. There goes my 33 yr old daughter into there bathtub with “Avalanche” on. So my last point IMHO is that I-Pods are making a huge impact on radio play time.

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