Idol Sales News – Week Ending 04/18/10

Three big events in the numbers thread this week.

1. Adam Lambert was featured on Idol for two nights AND his remixed EP went into general release. How big was that Idol bump and did the fans follow the AO’s suggestion to buy the tracks individually or save money by buying the entire EP? Either way, WWFM should have a new peak on the download and Hot 100 this week. How high will that be?

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2. Jason Castro FINALLY released his album/EP. Castro was originally going to drop his album back in November, but it was pushed back to April to the chagrin of his fans. According to HDD, this album is in the top 20 and should top the Idol Album Leader Board this week.

UPDATE SS: 18) Jason Castro – Jason Castro – 19, 679

3. Glee came back and beat up the download charts. I don’t know if we’ll get the actual numbers for them, but it would be interesting to see if their post-break numbers stand compared to their pre-break numbers.

And with that, we have no numbers yet (cue grumbling). Please post them when you find them. Thanks!

Billboard date 05/01/2010

Album
18 Jason Castro “Jason Castro” 19, 679 (NEW) Total: ~19, 679

• Album units, current chart week: 5.5 million units
• UP 3% from last week’s charts: 5.3 million units
• DOWN 14% from the comparable week in 2009: 6.4 million units

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  1. BTW before anybody asks, I don’t think that the results of buying the tracks instead of buying the EP will have much of a significant impact on the sales totals (certainly, it will be dwarfed by the Idol bump). I just get annoyed at such blatant attempts by the label to fleece the faithful. And yes, they all do it. There are no saints in “the biz”.

  2. I agree. The remixes individually briefly showed up in itunes charts but quickly disappeared. Probably not many sold at all. How many fans would have even heard do that?

  3. WWFM is still in iTunes Top 10 this morning, although just barely at #10.

    Thats surprising. I thought Glee would take up most of the top 10 spots. lol

  4. I personally bought the EP from AO,not indidually. Even the moderator on AO said “forget about the charts buy what you want/need”
    :)

  5. Wow! That’s great that WWFM is still in the top 10, considering the deluge of Glee tracks that always take over the chart starting Tuesday night!

    The EP was a confusing thing. Among Adam fans, we tried to make sure to buy the individual songs, since those were going to benefit the singles numbers for WWFM and FYE, but I only heard about this by of course obsessively following everything Adam (otherwise, I likely would have just bought the EP itself, since I knew I wanted all the songs), and I’m sure more casual fans would have just done that.

    Still, though, ITA that either way the EP effect is probably more minimal.

  6. I hope Adam has a great sales week, can’t wait to see the numbers. I don’t think what AO said about buying the single instead of the EP takes anything away from Adam’s achievement in sales this week. A purchase is a purchase, we don’t get massbuying figures or the demographics of the fans through sales information that I see at least, so it is just speculation or justifying or own feelings of whether someone deserves to be successful or not.

  7. It’s still a little early for Glee to show full effect isn’t it? On the other hand, I think the Madonna Glee EP will sell better than individual tracks this week. I’m kinda surprised to see Train drop to #7, but maybe everyone already has it by now.

  8. I knew about the individual buying thing, thought it was ridiculous, and bought the EP. WWFM is selling well enough on it’s own merit- it is ahead of Jason Derulo’s song, which gets 11,000 spins on POP to Adam’s 4,000- almost three times the amount of spins. That to me is the sign of a great performance, not just an idol bump.

    The reason the Glee songs are not taking over the chart is because you can buy them all much cheaper if you buy the EP. I am not sure but I think Like A Prayer was not part of the package and that is why it is selling?

    ETA: No, LAP IS part of the EP package.

  9. About Glee I guess ppl are buying the album instead of songs separately, thus the album is #1 while only ‘like a prayer’ makes to top 10.

  10. ITunes:

    6 Like A Prayer
    10 WWFM
    27 Borderline
    32 Gives You Hell
    33 4 Minutes
    35 Like A Virgin
    39 Hello

    Of course the Glee EP is #1

  11. *sigh* Being an Adam fan this week seems to be all about the waiting. Waiting to see how well his Idol stint helped his sales. Waiting for the frikken volcano to chill so he can get to the UK to promote FYE’s release. Waiting on the release of the rest of his tour dates so I know If I have to drive 24hrs or not for the nearest concert -.- (not happy about that one at all).

  12. I kind of expected Voodoo to make an impact on the iTunes chart

    .

    It got up into the low/mid 100s for a few days…no idea where it is now. I was actually surprised it got into the top 200 itunes overall even for a few days since it isn’t being played on the radio (other than Ryan playing part of it a few times), wasn’t mentioned during the Idol performance or anything

  13. Being an Adam fan this week seems to be all about the waiting. Waiting to see how well his Idol stint helped his sales. Waiting for the frikken volcano to chill so he can get to the UK to promote FYE’s release. Waiting on the release of the rest of his tour dates so I know If I have to drive 24hrs or not for the nearest concert

    But you wouldn’t trade it for anything, would you?
    :)

  14. When are the single sales report supposed to be out?

    I cannot wait already…….:S

  15. “Like a Prayer” is part of the Glee EP.

    Yes, it is. IMO,it was also the best song of the bunch. I wonder if a lot of people who aren’t interested in buying the whole EP are picking and choosing and LAP is the favorite of the majority of buyers?

  16. This is one time when buying the album or the tracks separately ended up being the same price, $5.94 either way. The individual tracks, on i-Tunes, were only 96 cents each. :)

  17. But you wouldn’t trade it for anything, would you?

    haha nope :D

    damn sr4mjc that was about what I was gonna say but I was going to go closer to 87k haha just to be different

  18. tiger92:
    04/21/2010 at 11:01 am
    “Like a Prayer” is part of the Glee EP.

    Yes, it is. IMO,it was also the best song of the bunch.

    ITA Although I think the whole EP is full of win, admittedly I loved the songs when Madonna did them also. I am totally annoying my daughter by knowing all the words ….

  19. well according to the email I got this morning from AO more Glam Nation tour dates are “soon to be added” gee thanks that helps ;P

  20. sr4mjc:
    04/21/2010 at 11:05 am
    When do the predictions start? I think 80k for WWFM

    I’m a born pessimist but I’m shooting for 100 K :D

  21. With 20M viewers, Adam should have a huge increase in sales for WWFM this week. How far he is away from Platinum? Good for him and his fans.

  22. I finally watched a full episode of Glee yesterday and I thought I would like it much better than I did. I don’t get why you would want the Glee version of songs when you could have the Madonna versions. Not one of their songs impressed me. The best thing about the show is the Sue Sylvester character-she is a riot.

  23. smeggingnuts:
    04/21/2010 at 11:19 am

    I think he need something like 134k to go platinum…right?

    I think its roughly about 135K+ but I will be happy for him if he doubles the 52K he had last week.

  24. hehe I knew it was 130k something lol

    I watched Glee last week and it was ok I guess it didn’t like it enough to watch it this week..but then again I don’t watch TV at all out side of 5 shows and most are on break. Come on USA I’m having Burn Notice withdrawls.

  25. I think its roughly about 135K+ but I will be happy for him if he doubles the 52K he had last week

    .

    Is that even possible? Clearly he is going to sell a LOT more than last week, but the increased sales are only for part of the week. I think Diddy sold something like 80K after this idol performance, and he has about the same itunes position as WWFM. I guess I would be pleasantly surprised if he sold over 100K last week, But regardless, he is probably over the 1mm mark already due to remaining in the top 10 this week.

  26. I finally watched a full episode of Glee yesterday and I thought I would like it much better than I did. I don’t get why you would want the Glee version of songs when you could have the Madonna versions.

    I never got it either, which is why I have yet to purchase any Glee tracks. They just sound way too overproduced and “perfect” on the show. I’d much rather purchase the originals, which is more likely what I’d do after watching Glee.

  27. With WWFM still in top ten on iTunes (I can’t believe it!), this week will be a good sales week too. He should have no problem attaining platinum on this weeks sales numbers. Very significant milestone.

  28. I’m gonna change my prediction. Not because I think he sold this much but only because it seems that over the last few months Idol singles almost reach platinum and miss it by a hair. So I predict WWFM sold 127.k :D

  29. Oh, and FTR – I’m making no predictions about how much he sold this week. He’ll reach platinum regardless in a few weeks. It’s all good :-)

  30. aa618892:
    04/21/2010 at 11:21 am
    I finally watched a full episode of Glee yesterday and I thought I would like it much better than I did. I don’t get why you would want the Glee version of songs when you could have the Madonna versions. Not one of their songs impressed me. The best thing about the show is the Sue Sylvester character-she is a riot.

    I totally agree with you…I just don’t get it. But then again I never understood the whole appeal to SuBo’s covers either, so I apparently don’t have my finger on the pulse of America! lol

    A guess for WWFM…hmmm….82,000.

  31. Bumps are always exciting to watch. Yay Adam!

    Can’t wait to see where Jason Castro really ended up.

  32. Everything it’s a f*cking hyperbole in Adam’s land. sigh… I think it was actually the crazies’ iniciative to ask the moderator how to purchase the songs and then idol fandom (not just his crazy fans) turned it into some huge thing of course (surprise surprise). Anyway. It’s such a small number it doesn’t matter (well from the article it sounds like it matters in idol land…ok). The single alone was in top 10 for at least half of the week, so he could get near 100k IMO. He’ll be surely platinum next week. No doubts about that.

  33. idk if HDD is near the true #, FYE more than doubled, and I think the impact will be larger on single than on album, but 6k is easier to beat than 53k, all in all my guess is 95k for WWFM.

  34. tinawina:
    04/21/2010 at 11:31 am
    Bumps are always exciting to watch. Yay Adam!

    Can’t wait to see where Jason Castro really ended up.

    Bumps are exciting, aren’t they?

    Got my fingers crossed for Castro as well.

  35. But then again I never understood the whole appeal to SuBo’s covers either, so I apparently don’t have my finger on the pulse of America! lol

    IKR? The SuBo thing is mindboggling. I do not get the appeal at all. Not one of her covers were better than the originals or even other covers! Her voice is nice but nothing special or different, IMO. And apparently they are already working on another album of covers for her, unbelievable!

  36. It’s such a small number it doesn’t matter (well from the article it sounds like it matters in idol land…ok).

    In the first post if this thread the writer of the “article” (Kirsten) said it wouldn’t matter, that it was likely to be a small number.

  37. tls62 well my base spork is already silver/platinumish so every spork is platinum :)

    hmmm Adam changed his background on his twitter….thats one sexy eye staring at me!!

  38. haha I find it kinda funny that people don’t get buying Glee covers when alot of people buy Idol covers ;)

  39. But then again I never understood the whole appeal to SuBo’s covers either, so I apparently don’t have my finger on the pulse of America! lol

    It’s just not America. The woman’s done HUGE numbers worldwide. I remember she was still top 5 on the Australian album charts the week Adam’s album debuted there at #18.

    haha I find it kinda funny that people don’t get buying Glee covers when alot of people buy Idol covers

    I see what you mean but at least with the AI covers you know their voices aren’t autotuned within an inch of their lives. That having been said I’ve bought a couple Glee covers including Somebody To Love and Like A Prayer because I liked the way they sounded even with the autotuning.

  40. I finally watched a full episode of Glee yesterday and I thought I would like it much better than I did. I don’t get why you would want the Glee version of songs when you could have the Madonna versions.

    I makes no sense to me. I like Glee. It’s a cute, fun show. But it bewilders me that people would want to listen to the show versions on their ipods. But like tls62 said, I never got the appeal of the SuBo covers either. Both Glee and SuBo take the passion and edge out of the music and make it insipid.

    On the Adam EP tracks. I don’t expect many people to have bought the whole EP or the WWFM remixes. I’m a major Adam fan but not a fan of remixes and I simply purchased the Voodoo track. Very few fans will purchase just because they’re a fan. Most people will only buy what they want to own. Being a fan simply means that you are less likely to just download it illegally.

  41. smeggingnuts:
    04/21/2010 at 11:50 am
    haha I find it kinda funny that people don’t get buying Glee covers when alot of people buy Idol covers

    IKR? Covers are covers. It depends on if you relate to the style or not. By virtue of what the show is about the Glee covers are show choir-ey that is the fun of it for the kids that are (or were) in stuff like that in school. My daughter’s show choir is performing a ‘glee’ arrangement at their concert next week and the kids are loving it.

  42. Well, I like Glee but haven’t bought any of the covers. I also haven’t bought any Idol covers this year (although I have in the past).

    I enjoy the musical numbers on the show, but don’t need them in my iPod.

    Glad to hear Jasonnnn is in the top 20 this week. :-) I hope he does well. His album is good.

  43. smeggingnuts:
    04/21/2010 at 11:50 am

    haha I find it kinda funny that people don’t get buying Glee covers when alot of people buy Idol covers ;)

    But I don’t get that either. There are a few idols that have done one or two fab covers in the studio verions. But most of those are insipid in my opinion too.

    What I do understand is buying the performances. Because then you’re buying the visual and audio memory of the competition/show. If the Glee sold the show performances, I could see people buying some of those. I’d be all over the football/Put a Ring on it one.

  44. I like Glee enough, though not nearly as much as others do, but I too wouldn’t go out of my way to buy one of their covers. I’d rather just buy the original songs. My biggest issue with Glee too is that the numbers are all so overproduced that they’re not even that enjoyable to listen to.

    But I digress. Jason’s manager posted on Twitter that he’s #18 this week, which is two spots higher than what HDD was claiming. No idea what his final numbers were.

    I’m with JMS by the way in that if I watch Glee it’s more for the actual performance numbers than the vocals, so just selling the vocals does little for me.

  45. I makes no sense to me. I like Glee. It’s a cute, fun show. But it bewilders me that people would want to listen to the show versions on their ipods.

    Have you noticed that they’re selling dvds out there that are compilations of tv *commercials* from years past?

    Comfort-food-for-the-eyes-and-ears is always going to be popular, probably. And I would count autotuned jazz choir singing as comfort food in spades. ….

    Those songs, where you have the human voice (albeit tinkered with) singing songs that are familiar while hitting those chords that trigger the schmaltz so effectively for most of us — just like a big old bowl of macaroni and cheese, with chocolate cake and milk to follow, I think.

    My hope for Glee — and my hope for Idol and SYTYCD and DWTS, too, for that matter — is that it encourages more people to get involved in music-making and dancing and drama and other arts ourselves again. …

    Maybe there is not less of such actual participation than there used to be, but I’ve seen some alarming figures for rapidly dropping piano and guitar sales over the past decade or so that make me think that, yeah, amateur music-making may actually be dropping off over time. Hope Glee can rev this up a bit.

  46. Jason’s manager Dave tweeted that Jason’s album debuted on Billboard at #18. That seems pretty good especially since it has been two years since he was on AI and hasn’t really had much exposure. I still don’t understand why AI had Brooke on when Jason had just released his album that week and she didn’t have a new release.

  47. I still don’t understand why AI had Brooke on when Jason had just released his album that week and she didn’t have a new release

    Randy produced Brook’s recent album

  48. lifeisgood:
    04/21/2010 at 12:04 pm

    Jason’s manager Dave tweeted that Jason’s album debuted on Billboard at #18.

    I so hope that is true! Awesome.

  49. unique28v:
    04/21/2010 at 12:05 pm
    I still don’t understand why AI had Brooke on when Jason had just released his album that week and she didn’t have a new release

    Randy produced Brook’s recent album

    I realize that but they have in the past had other old idols on. Also – Brooke’s album was released back in July (I think) so it wasn’t that recent. I suppose AI honestly just isn’t interested in having Jason on.

  50. lucy:
    04/21/2010 at 12:02 pm

    I makes no sense to me. I like Glee. It’s a cute, fun show. But it bewilders me that people would want to listen to the show versions on their ipods.

    Have you noticed that they’re selling dvds out there that are compilations of tv *commercials* from years past?

    Comfort-food-for-the-eyes-and-ears is always going to be popular, probably. And I would count autotuned jazz choir singing as comfort food in spades. ….

    Those songs, where you have the human voice (albeit tinkered with) singing songs that are familiar while hitting those chords that trigger the schmaltz so effectively for most of us — just like a big old bowl of macaroni and cheese, with chocolate cake and milk to follow, I think.

    My hope for Glee — and my hope for Idol and SYTYCD and DWTS, too, for that matter — is that it encourages more people to get involved in music-making and dancing and drama and other arts ourselves again. … Maybe there is not less of such actual participation than there used to be, but I’ve seen some alarming figures for rapidly dropping piano and guitar sales over the past decade or so that make me think that, yeah, amateur music-making may actually be dropping off over time. Hope Glee can rev this up a bit.

    LOVE THIS POST!

  51. Can someone do an informal pool count for WWFM? and we can see who wins, just for the fun of it…

    I say 98K.. just cos that number hasn’t been said before. =P

    About Castro, his latest single is pretty catchy, so I can imagine him doing well. Not that it has an relation with it selling well….. but when I heard it on radio first, I thought it was one of the Jonas brothers (!!!)

  52. I can’t see Adam going platinum this week when he needed approx 135 K to reach that mark. I’m thinking WWFM sold somewhere in the range of 80K this past week.

  53. fyi…billboard just posted that the top digital song seller for this past week sold 184K/no. 2 sold 159K/no.5 sold 138K…..so, no way WWFM passes 1 mm on this week’s numbers…but it will get close, and, in view of the present week’s sales, will easily sail past 1mm when this week’s sales are reported next wednesday.

  54. I´ll stick with 95k! YAY (put a adorable Adam´s face here doing the YAY thing :))
    Great news for Jason, I liked him tough I never bought his music!
    And Glee… we´ll not really my thing! And even if I could buy it, I would not!

  55. so far informal WWFM pool so far
    sr4mjc——–80k
    OhMyRawrr—–100k
    dhunken——-104k
    smeggingnuts–127k
    tls62———82k
    Judee———100k
    BeckyMD——-95k
    unique——–80-95k
    Hakunamatata–98k
    girlygirl——–80k
    renataanelo—-95k

  56. smeggingnuts:
    04/21/2010 at 11:50 am
    haha I find it kinda funny that people don’t get buying Glee covers when alot of people buy Idol covers

    Well, to be fair, I don’t buy many idol covers either – typically just my fav of the year (I only bought Adam’s songs last year, for instance). Most of the idol covers aren’t very good either :-)

  57. Equally as interesting is that the No. 5 digital download song — BOB airplane — is debuting at no. 12 on the hot 100. The song is brand new and hasn’t had time to climb the radio charts yet. So it will be interesting to see where WWFM winds up on the hot 100 this week with strong digital downloads, top 10 in hac airplay, top 15 on pop etc.

  58. AI should have had Jason on last week or this week. It would have helped his album sell even more, look at the boost Gokey got 15-20k from AI from his appearance around the release of his album. Jason did very well without the appearance debuting at 18 is great. Congratulations Jason.

  59. AI doesn’t have anything against any contestant. The show is actually good to past contestants and every year they have as many as they can singing in front of millions.
    I know fans sometimes like to say “oh, AI hates my fav and they’ll never invite him/her” and then obviously they do. I can’t forget the many times Archie fans said they’d never have Archie and see how well the show has treated him since S7 was over.
    They invited Jason last year but for some reason it didn’t work out. I’m sure if possible they’d invite him this year too. TPTB can be accused of many things, not giving a chance to past contestants to go there and sing is not of them.

  60. Hopefully Jason’s Ellen appearance this week will help his second week sales. But yeah, his first week numbers seem decent considering he’s had zero national exposure for his album release.

  61. Jason’s manager Dave tweeted that Jason’s album debuted on Billboard at #18. That seems pretty good especially since it has been two years since he was on AI and hasn’t really had much exposure.

    Agreed. For 2 years later that is excellent. Congrats Jason!

  62. Excellent news for Jason! I wasn’t really a fan but I love seeing all the Idols do well. Warms my heart.

  63. Udated WWFM pool
    Truthiness——76k
    Mad_World——–79k
    sr4mjc, girlygirl, Laury——–—–80k
    unique——–—–80-95k
    springboard—81k
    tls62—————82k
    riskylady——-85k
    organic——-87k
    Soberba——92k
    zzatrms—-94k
    BeckyMD, renataanelo—95k
    Hakunamatata–-98k
    ilovekrisallen39–99k
    OhMyRawrr, Judee—–—100k
    Oskana2000——101k
    dhunken———–104k
    kittensmittens—105k
    vmac———–108k
    student_Inlove—110k
    smeggingnuts–-127k

  64. My prediction 85k
    Adam, where are you??? We want to know if you are on the way to UK.

  65. 79K, just because no one has said it. I’m going low here, just in case it’s under 80, since a lot of folks are saying that. :)

  66. sr4mjc:
    04/21/2010 at 12:37 pm

    Excellent news for Jason! I wasn’t really a fan but I love seeing all the Idols do well. Warms my heart.

    I feel the same way 100%. I wish people gave more love to Michael Sarver. He had a new single release this week. I think only 3 people even commented on his tread. It is really a very good single and I am not a country fan.

  67. dhunken,

    I bought “Ferris Wheel”, too. I think it’s pretty good. Not a huge
    country fan, either, but thought it was more than worth the $1.29 spent.

  68. 79K, just because no one has said it. I’m going low here, just in case it’s under 80, since a lot of folks are saying that.

    I went with 127k because it seems to me that this year Idols just barely miss out on platinum. :)

  69. 79K, just because no one has said it. I’m going low here, just in case it’s under 80, since a lot of folks are saying that.

    It feels like we are playing a game of the price is right!

  70. I read somewhere that any song sitting in the I-tunes top 10 sells at list 100,000.
    My prediction for WWFM is 101,000..:)

  71. Oksana2000 – but it was only in the Top 10 for part of the week – I think that is a big qualifier in Adam’s case. He was in the 20s before AI, then in the teens right after, then got up to about 7 and stayed in the top 10 for the last few days.

  72. BTW – all this talk of Adam’s sales off Idol last week has me so incredibly nostalgic about last week’s performance! OMG – I loved his performance of WWFM! (HE BROUGHT LASERS!! Lol)

  73. WWFM ended up being no. 9 on i-tunes downloads for past week. 1ook garanteed for top 10 of the week? or not?

  74. Jason’s manager Dave tweeted that Jason’s album debuted on Billboard at #18.

    Good job by Jason. I’m happy for him.

    As to the WWFM pool number? I’m going lower at 76K, just cuz.

  75. “18) Jason Castro – Jason Castro – 19,679”

    Yay, Jason! (officially)

  76. It feels like we are playing a game of the price is right

    The mountain climber falls over the edge at 95k, even though my low end prediction is 80k.

    Wow, great for Jason, thanks for the update!

  77. I totally forgot about Jason’s album…and they invited Brooke and Gaston instead? lame 19E, just lame…
    Well 20k is good for him at this point,right? congrats

  78. Someone took my guess of 85K, so I’ll up it by 1 and say 86K. And I’ll guess 28K for LLWD (why not throw that in the mix, too?)!

    Edit: I should add that I have no idea where LLWD stands on itunes, but I thought it sold 39K last week.

  79. sorry, late for the game, so OK,since I want to be really pleasantly surprised I predict – 15 K ;)
    but seriously, don’t know let’s say I take the mean and it will be around 80-90 k. I want to be wrong, darnit!!!!!

  80. Actually Smeggs, I was thinking of somthing outside of the box for platinum spork. You know…you can’t put Adam in a box, nor his spork. Maybe his spork needs arms, possibly holding the platinum record? A “special edition” commemorative spork, so to speak. lol :)

  81. Well incase anyone was interested this is what Itunes looks like right now

    5. Like a Prayer (feat. Jonathan Groff) – Glee Cast
    10. Whataya Want from Me – Adam Lambert
    19. Borderline / Open Your Heart – Glee Cast
    31. 4 Minutes – Glee Cast
    33. Gives You Hell (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    34. Like a Virgin (feat. Jonathan Groff) – Glee Cast
    40. Hello (Glee Cast Version feat. Jonathan Groff) – Glee Cast
    52. Express Yourself (feat. Jonathan Groff) – Glee Cast
    55. Temporary Home – Carrie Underwood
    57. Hello Goodbye (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    60. Live Like We’re Dying – Kris Allen
    66. What It Feels Like for a Girl – Glee Cast
    69. Hello, I Love You (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    87. Vogue – Glee Cast
    90. Life After You – Daughtry

  82. Udated WWFM pool
    Truthiness——76k
    Mad_World——–79k
    sr4mjc, girlygirl, Laury——–—–80k
    agathe.hb—–80-90k
    unique——–—–80-95k
    springboard—81k
    tls62—————82k
    riskylady——-85k
    hoosiermama–86k
    organic——-87k
    cakeygirl—89k
    Soberba——92k
    zzatrms—-94k
    BeckyMD, renataanelo—95k
    Hakunamatata–-98k
    Kate——–97k
    ilovekrisallen39–99k
    OhMyRawrr, Judee—–—100k
    Oskana2000——101k
    dhunken———–104k
    kittensmittens—105k
    vmac———–108k
    angela—–109k
    student_Inlove—110k
    smeggingnuts, schoolmama–-127k

    LLWD
    hoosiermama—-28k
    ilovekrisallen39—-32k
    BeckyMD, sr4mjc, angela—34k
    kneipho——–45k

  83. Daughtry’s second single didn’t do well for him. At least they have platinum album, but it could be probably better with a stronger single…

  84. why i feel today’s # out particularly late?? ;)

    It’s like waiting to see if that much anticipated Christmas gift is going to suck or be exactly what you wanted.

    I think Kris will still be above 30k, he’s still very high on the charts. 34k for me!

  85. Daughtry’s second single didn’t do well for him. At least they have platinum album, but it could be probably better with a stronger single…

    I actually preferred LAY over NS (by a LOT…)…I think the first Daughtry album had much better, catchier singles…Its Not Over, Home, Over You were all terrific….But LAY has not done badly at all….charted very high on HAC

  86. my guess is 33K for LLWD -20% from last week

    last week
    Kris Allen “Live Like We’re Dying” 39K (-19%) Total: 1.286M

  87. ilovekrisallen39:
    04/21/2010 at 1:20 pm
    For LLWD I’ll say 32K

    How about, 45k?

  88. Great for Jason and HDD under predicted for him by about 1K+ so I am hoping that the same is also true for Adam and he is really at 15K for his album. Just cause. :-)

  89. This is OT, but Longineau just tweeted that they’re flying out tomorrow – yippee!!!!

  90. Hey news on the UK front for Adam. LP just tweeted

    Longineu we fly out tomorrow, long day of flying !!!!

  91. Since I am on heavy meds for Surgery come Friday feeling wild and crazy, I humbly submit my prediction 127k. Well I can dream. Back to bed wishing Adam universal vibes.

    Congratulations to Jason, He is so cute.

  92. YAY… That means that Adam could sit in the audience today for IGB!
    Make it happen TPTB. I wanna see his cute face!

  93. Udated WWFM pool
    Starstruck2000—-70k
    Truthiness——76k
    Mad_World——–79k
    sr4mjc, girlygirl, Laury, Studio57——–—–80k
    agathe.hb—–80-90k
    unique——–—–80-95k
    springboard—81k
    tls62—————82k
    riskylady——-85k
    hoosiermama, kneipto–86k
    organic——-87k
    cakeygirl—89k
    Soberba, mtlfan——92k
    zzatrms—-94k
    BeckyMD, renataanelo—95k
    Levine—–96k
    Hakunamatata–-98k
    Kate——–97k
    ilovekrisallen39–99k
    OhMyRawrr, Judee—–—100k
    Oksana2000——101k
    dhunken———–104k
    kittensmittens—105k
    vmac———–108k
    angela—–109k
    student_Inlove—110k
    LaureIG—-112k
    smeggingnuts, schoolmama–-127k

    LLWD
    mtlfan—22k
    hoosiermama—-28k
    LaureIG—–31k
    ilovekrisallen39—-32k
    Lavine—-33k
    BeckyMD, sr4mjc, angela—34k
    kneipho——–45k

  94. Oksana2000:
    04/21/2010 at 1:07 pm
    Mary102, let me be optimistic..:))

    LOL – sorry :-) I guess I’m tempering my expectations for this week. My whole thing is, he’ll get to platinum soon, and if it happens in a week that’s fine too!

    renataamelo:
    04/21/2010 at 1:30 pm
    YAY… That means that Adam could sit in the audience today for IGB!
    Make it happen TPTB. I wanna see his cute face!

    That would be awesome (could he show off the BoW jacket as a way of saying good-bye to it? ;-) ) But if I were him I’d be catching up on sleep since these last few days (thanks to the volcano) have probably been the most restful he’s had in awhile.

  95. I’m gonna say 80,000

    Looks like Borderline is still climbing- it was at #27 this morning and now it’s 18- it better STOP before the top 10!

  96. Album sales
    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2010/04/soundscan/1
    Jason Castro, Jason Castro (20,000, debut, 20,000 total)
    Adam Lambert, For Your Entertainment (13,000, +121 percent, 605,000)
    Carrie Underwood, Play On (12,000, +5 percent, 1.467 million)
    Daughtry, Leave This Town (6,000, -3 percent, 1.024 million)
    Danny Gokey, My Best Days (5,000, -8 percent)
    Kellie Pickler, Kellie Pickler (1,000, -6 percent, 403,000)

  97. That’s a nice boost in album sales for Adam. :) I’m not a fan of Jason, but good for him for selling 20,000 albums especially since it looks like he hardly got any promotion. And I am glad to see Danny is still hanging in there.

  98. I will predict LLWD 36,000 for Kris. Glee will definitely take over by the end of the day, but Adam’s boost for WWFM from the AI appearance lasted longer than I expected.

  99. no prizes we were just making wild guesses and someone asked for an unoffical pool….guess I am easily amused hahah

  100. smeggingnuts:
    04/21/2010 at 1:51 pm

    no prizes we were just making wild guesses and someone asked for an unoffical pool….guess I am easily amused hahah

    No prize-except….. Bragging Rights….Feels much better then a prize :lol:

  101. glad for Jason!!!! :)
    nice increase for Adam!

    what about Kris album? dont tell me he sold less thsn 1K.. arghhhhh

  102. Kirsten since you know the numbers game better then most is WWFM bump impressive by your standards or observations over the years. Just asking..I find it lasing longer then I expected but wanted to get your take on it. Thank You.

  103. Nice album sales numbers for Jason and Adam. And good to see that Danny’s sales dropped less than 10 percent — a sign that it is stabilizing a bit?

  104. what about Kris album? dont tell me he sold less thsn 1K.. arghhhhh

    we didn’t have its # last week, did we?

  105. I’m not a fan of Jason, but good for him for selling 20,000 albums especially since it looks like he hardly got any promotion.

    I went back and checked and it looks like Kat McPhee sold roughly 15,000 in her first week and she was everywhere.

    So, yes, it seems like a good number for Jason.

    no prizes we were just making wild guesses and someone asked for an unoffical pool….guess I am easily amused hahah

    I’d take a picture of Adam and a puppy …

  106. Jeez….how about a pool on how many times we’re all going to hit “refresh” today until the numbers come out? Work 5 minutes..refresh. Work 5 minutes…refresh. Repeat as needed.

  107. I think 37K for LLWD, just cuz for that as well. And speaking of Kris, grrr to not having Album numbers for him on that list. I know, I’m greedy that way. I’m sure he didn’t sell less than 1000 albums. Did he?

  108. smegg, my name is oKsana, not oSkana.
    Add my prediction for LLWD – 23,000..(wanted to say something, but bitted my tongue)

  109. tls62:
    04/21/2010 at 1:56 pm
    Jeez….how about a pool on how many times we’re all going to hit “refresh” today until the numbers come out? Work 5 minutes..refresh. Work 5 minutes…refresh. Repeat as needed.

    Hee hee.

  110. we didn’t have its # last week, did we?

    BeckyMD, i checked last week post for several days and never saw his number

  111. can you change my prediction for LLWD for 28,000 … i’m way too low i think…….THANKS!!!

  112. tls62:
    04/21/2010 at 1:56 pm
    Jeez….how about a pool on how many times we’re all going to hit “refresh” today until the numbers come out? Work 5 minutes..refresh. Work 5 minutes…refresh. Repeat as needed.

    haha and include refreshing the tour dates page on AO as well

  113. sorry Oksana trying to update in the edit page makes for mistakes…will keep a better eye on it and fixing it now

  114. I love Jason Castro, I’m so happy for him!!

    121% increase in album sell!!! Yupi!!! :)

  115. Udated WWFM pool
    Starstruck2000—-70k
    lorismile—–75k
    Truthiness——76k
    Mad_World——–79k
    sr4mjc, girlygirl, Laury, Studio57——–—–80k
    agathe.hb—–80-90k
    unique——–—–80-95k
    springboard—81k
    tls62—————82k
    riskylady——-85k
    hoosiermama, kneipto–86k
    organic——-87k
    cakeygirl—89k
    cwm—-91k
    Soberba, mtlfan——92k
    zzatrms—-94k
    BeckyMD, renataanelo—95k
    Levine, tiger92—–96k
    Kate——–97k
    Hakunamatata–-98k
    ilovekrisallen39–99k
    hoyed—99,999
    OhMyRawrr, Judee—–—100k
    Oksana2000——101k
    dhunken———–104k
    kittensmittens—105k
    vmac———–108k
    angela—–109k
    student_Inlove—110k
    alaadam—111k
    LaureIG—-112k
    smeggingnuts, schoolmama–-127k

    LLWD
    zzatrms—18k
    Oksana—23k
    hoosiermama, mtlfan—-28k
    LaureIG—–31k
    ilovekrisallen39—-32k
    Lavine—-33k
    BeckyMD, sr4mjc, angela—34k
    cwm—-35k
    Kate—-36k
    Truthiness, alaadam–37k
    Joyed—–37.5k
    kneipho——–45k

  116. okay! i am on a conference call checking for WWFM #’s….oh the waiting!

  117. mmb:
    04/21/2010 at 2:13 pm
    Per MTV News, FYE will be #35 on the BB 200 chart. Up 41 spots.

    Very nice bump! I’m going to guess 96K for WWFM.

  118. Ooh, fun game! I’ll guess that:

    WWFM will sell 99,999 this week. LOL

    LLWD will sell 37,500

    Random guesses are fun :)

  119. Well, I heard something really strange on the Kidd Kraddick show this morning on KISS FM (Dallas/Ft. Worth): Kidd said Adam is being considered for Simon’s replacement next year! Kidd added that he hoped Adam didn’t go that route because he has a very promising career :). I don’t know where they got this info from (hello, we’re the ones in the know, right?). Anyway, they’ve been saying lots of great things about Adam the last couple of weeks. Then, they did a really cute bit where one of the morning guys, Big Al Mac, goes on the street with a recorder and asks people “Whattaya Want From Me?” (as in, what do you want from your partner) with one of the remixes playing in the background. It was really cool!

  120. Mateja:
    04/21/2010 at 2:10 pm
    TOP 50 albums this week:
    http://vitalicnoise.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Screen-shot-2010-04-21-at-12.03.23-PM.png

    I got this on Pulse.

    THANK YOU!! I’ve been looking (for the longest time) for a source for Album sales totals and have never found anything. This at least shows album totals those in the top 50. Do you remember which thread you found this in on Pulse. I lurk there, but am not familiar with all of their sticky threads.

  121. It seems to me that Brian got the album sales number from BB200, if that album falls out of BB200, it may take him quite a bit of efforts to locate the numbers. But it also seems to me that he has access to the sales number for country albums, whether they are on BB200 or not. That explains why he knows how many albums Kellie Pickler sold. He did not state Kelly Clarkson’s album sales either, and I find that a bit surprising if both Kelly and Kris sold less than 1,000 albums last week.

  122. Glad to see that I’m not too late to the party. My predictions:

    WWFM: 91K
    LLWD: 35K

  123. aa618892:
    04/21/2010 at 11:21 am
    I finally watched a full episode of Glee yesterday and I thought I would like it much better than I did. I don’t get why you would want the Glee version of songs when you could have the Madonna versions. Not one of their songs impressed me. The best thing about the show is the Sue Sylvester character-she is a riot.

    That’s what I say! I just do not get it! My daughter bought me the Glee 1 CD for Christmas. I listened once and have not even donwloaded it onto my computer or i-Pod! Pop songs turned into Chorus songs just don’t do it, for me.
    I think Glee might fade out next season. It’s just a novelty right now.

  124. The thing with Adam and replacing Simon was first suggested by Ann Powers and picked up by a few other Idol reporters. It was just a reaction to his honest critiques when he was mentoring…you know Adam and the rumor mill. I don’t think he would become a judge just when his music career is just taking off.

  125. Still no numbers? I hope WWFM does well this week. It should after the performance. I heard the rumour about Adam taking Simon’s place, he would be great at it. He still would have time to write and do performances throughout the year.

  126. The thing with Adam and replacing Simon was first suggested by Ann Powers and picked up by a few other Idol reporters. It was just a reaction to his honest critiques when he was mentoring…you know Adam and the rumor mill. I don’t think he would become a judge just when his music career is just taking off.

    Apparently the National Enquirer, some other tabloids, and now a bunch of blogs have picked up the Adam as potential Simon replacement story. I think Adam would be fabulous as a judge (blunt, funny) but it will never happen in a million, bazillion, one hundred bajillion years.

  127. TOP 50 albums this week:

    Thanks! Here’s the AI albums in the top 50:

    18 NEW Jason Castro Jason Castro 19,679 Total: 19,692

    35 +121% Adam Lambert For Your Entertainment 12,901 Total: 605,367

    38 +5% Carrie Underwood Play On 11,679 Total: 1,467,053

    GLEE albums

    39 +54% GLEE Cast Glee, The Music V1 11,528 Total: 787,268

    47 +48% GLEE Cast Glee, The Music V2 10,014 Total: 583,922

  128. The thing with Adam and replacing Simon was first suggested by Ann Powers and picked up by a few other Idol reporters. It was just a reaction to his honest critiques when he was mentoring…you know Adam and the rumor mill. I don’t think he would become a judge just when his music career is just taking off.

    Ditto.

  129. smeggingnuts:
    04/21/2010 at 2:33 pm

    The thing with Adam and replacing Simon was first suggested by Ann Powers and picked up by a few other Idol reporters. It was just a reaction to his honest critiques when he was mentoring…you know Adam and the rumor mill. I don’t think he would become a judge just when his music career is just taking off.

    yep, classic case of telephone game, although I have to admit I would love to see Adam as a guest judge during next year auditions. :)

  130. Yay, Jason! 20k is a nice start. And yay Adam for the 121% increase in sales. Does that put him over 600k?

  131. Apparently the National Enquirer, some other tabloids, and now a bunch of blogs have picked up the Adam as potential Simon replacement story. I think Adam would be fabulous as a judge (blunt, funny) but it will never happen in a million, bazillion, one hundred bajillion years.

    Never say Never! :) LOL

  132. smeggingnuts:
    04/21/2010 at 2:33 pm

    The thing with Adam and replacing Simon was first suggested by Ann Powers and picked up by a few other Idol reporters. It was just a reaction to his honest critiques when he was mentoring…you know Adam and the rumor mill. I don’t think he would become a judge just when his music career is just taking off.

    Yes, very true. Then again, the AI mentoring thing seemed to come up in very much the same way. Adam even said no about it in earlier interviews. And when that DJ mentioned it before we knew for sure, I was sure it was another false rumor based on all the random stuff that’s said about him. So at this point you never know.

    Adam’s the kind of guy to look for a lot of different opportunties, even with music and performing still being in the forefront. After all, he’s repeatedly shown an interest in branching out to do other things – tv (True Blood!), or a makeup line, or what have you. He’s very business savvy like that.

    So, in short, I think he’d be the first to keep all options open, especially when we’re talking about a year from now.

  133. Thanks for the clarification, Smeggs. I wouldn’t want to see Adam take this route either (although it would be some fast cash!), but it is really nice to see all the positive feedback AFTER the mentoring, considering all the negative comments BEFORE :).

  134. Just today I heard in an interview someone asking Adam about being a judge on AI. Of course he said he wasn’t interested, he didn’t have time because of his music career, but he could be on as a guest judge.

    But I think if they offered him 10% of Simon Cowell’s salary that would be very hard to refuse, heh.

    (BTW, never gonna happen!)

  135. I really don’t want Adam to judge. I want him to sing and perform!!

    Where are the WWFM #s?? Since we don’t have them yet, I am guessing 75K. Thank you!

    I’m very happy with the bump he got from Idol. :-) I’m also very happy because I have Glam Nation Tour tickets.!!

  136. lorismile, I am jeallus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope you bring back great memories and vids, naturlich!!!!!!!!!!

  137. GLEE is going to have the #1 album next week.

    http://hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news08030m01

    The combined Power of Glee and Madonna will result in a chart-topping debut for Columbia’s third compilation of songs from Ryan Murphy’s pop zeitgeist show on Fox.

    With last night’s episode revealing Sue Sylvester’s lifelong obsession with the Material Girl, as well as seven set-pieces incorporating some of her biggest hits, Glee: The Power of Madonna will bow at #1 on next week’s chart with a total of 100-120k.

  138. I’m also very happy because I have Glam Nation Tour tickets.!!

    Oh man, I really hate you right now…

    (JUST KIDDING, lorismile!)

  139. I agree with everybody on the judging thing…probably would never happen, but man…it’s hard to ignore his knack for this type of thing. He sure has a lot of career possiblities if this singing gig doesn’t work out…lol. ;)

  140. Zsus:
    04/21/2010 at 2:37 pm
    Yay, Jason! 20k is a nice start. And yay Adam for the 121% increase in sales. Does that put him over 600k?

    That puts Adam about 605k

  141. I don’t want Adam to judge because then I might acctaully have to watch AI….and I don’t think I can risk that.

  142. smeggingnuts:
    04/21/2010 at 3:07 pm
    I don’t want Adam to judge because then I might acctaully have to watch AI….and I don’t think I can risk that.

    That’s what your mute button is for. I used it numerous times last week. Worked like a charm.

  143. I’ll take Adam as a judge over Randy and Ellen any day…The problem is not replacing Simon, it is to kick out the incompetent panel as a whole. Keep Kara if you need to, but the rest OUT! sorry OT

  144. really don’t want Adam to judge. I want him to sing and perform!!

    Exactly, Adam has only released one album, it would not be creative enough for him to sit around and judge. Those who can do, those who can’t judge.

  145. album numbers from Idol Chatter

    Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 33 (45,000, -15 percent, 357,000)
    Jason Castro, Jason Castro (20,000, debut, 20,000 total)
    Adam Lambert, For Your Entertainment (13,000, +121 percent, 605,000)
    Carrie Underwood, Play On (12,000, +5 percent, 1.467 million)
    Glee Cast, Glee: The Music, Vol. 1 (12,000, +54 percent, 787,000)
    Glee Cast, Glee: The Music, Vol. 2 (10,000, +48 percent, 584,000)
    Daughtry, Leave This Town (6,000, -3 percent, 1.024 million)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 32 (5,000, -10 percent, 878,000)
    Kidz Bop Kids, Kidz Bop 17 (5,000, +4 percent, 186,000)
    Danny Gokey, My Best Days (5,000, -8 percent)
    Various, WOW Hits 2010 (4,000, +6 percent)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call Country Vol. 2 (3,000, +1 percent, 275,000)
    Kellie Pickler, Kellie Pickler (1,000, -6 percent, 403,000)

    Tags:Adam Lambert Nielsen Jason Castro SoundScan

  146. Those who can do, those who can’t judge.

    What do you do with the ones that can’t judge either?….oh yeah send em to Idol.

  147. damn undercooked you got me so excited when I refreshed my page. I was like yippie singles numbers oh darn albums

    hahaha

  148. Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 33 (45,000, -15 percent, 357,000)

    This one just makes me happy for Adam, Kris, and Chris—easy money with no work involved. Like icing on the cake for these guys!

  149. Uh oh Glee coming in for the kill to bump out WWFM from the Top 10
    15. Borderline / Open Your Heart – Glee Cast

  150. Udated WWFM pool
    Starstruck2000—-70k
    lorismile—–75k
    Truthiness——76k
    Mad_World——–79k
    sr4mjc, girlygirl, Laury, Studio57——–—–80k
    agathe.hb—–80-90k
    unique——–—–80-95k
    springboard—81k
    tls62—————82k
    riskylady——-85k
    hoosiermama, kneipto–86k
    organic——-87k
    cakeygirl—89k
    cwm—-91k
    Soberba, mtlfan——92k
    Miss Chaos—-93k
    zzatrms—-94k
    BeckyMD, renataanelo—95k
    Levine, tiger92—–96k
    Kate——–97k
    Hakunamatata–-98k
    ilovekrisallen39–99k
    hoyed—99,999
    OhMyRawrr, Judee—–—100k
    Oksana2000——101k
    dhunken———–104k
    kittensmittens—105k
    vmac———–108k
    angela—–109k
    student_Inlove—110k
    alaadam—111k
    LaureIG—-112k
    smeggingnuts, schoolmama–-127k

    LLWD
    zzatrms—18k
    Oksana—23k
    hoosiermama, mtlfan—-28k
    LaureIG—–31k
    ilovekrisallen39—-32k
    Lavine—-33k
    BeckyMD, sr4mjc, angela—34k
    cwm—-35k
    Kate—-36k
    Truthiness, alaadam–37k
    Joyed—–37.5k
    kneipho——–45k

  151. Jason’s numbers are good but remember this is his debut album. Kat’s first album sold something like 100K. The second album from anyone off Idol always goes off a cliff compared to the first. Although I never thought Kat was a viable recording artists in the first place. :)

  152. yeah i remember ppl saying how bad it was that kat’s album sold like 20K the first week and are now happy that jason sold 20K his debut week, ironic

  153. cakeygirl:
    04/21/2010 at 3:40 pm
    yeah i remember ppl saying how bad it was that kat’s album sold like 20K the first week and are now happy that jason sold 20K his debut week, ironic

    haha its all about expectations isn’t it…lol

  154. Isn’t it nice to know that singles matter? I remember when LLWD was selling bucketloads of downloads, the game was all about selling albums. And radio was a dinosaur and oh well, nevermind. :)

  155. You’re right for the idol’s 2nd album. Except for the few with staying power, it tanks.

  156. Okay, I know this is OT, but does anyone know if Adam made it to the UK?

  157. Edit (K): Deleted the post you were responding to.

    I’d make a guess about Adam’s numbers but have lost access to the Top 50 downloads chart. Without it I’m pretty lost. I think he could double his downloads though. So whatever WWFM sold last week, double that. I even thought FYE the album could make it back into the Top 20 in a low sales week.

  158. I remember when LLWD was selling bucketloads of downloads, the game was all about selling albums. And radio was a dinosaur and oh well, nevermind.

    No.. I don’t remember bucket loads except 2 or 3 weeks around christmas.. I do remember and still think that its done a hell of a job selling week in and week out.. month over month.

  159. Isn’t it nice to know that singles matter? I remember when LLWD was selling bucketloads of downloads, the game was all about selling albums. And radio was a dinosaur and oh well, nevermind.

    We already celebrated album numbers today, it’s on to the singles now. Catch up!

    Yeah Jason and Adam on albums!

    Kat.. hmm. Never was a fan or thought she’d do well on radio.

  160. jpfan:
    04/21/2010 at 3:45 pm
    Nope, I was never a Cook fan. But who doesn’t want their fav on the biggest TV show in the U.S. Even fans of Adams don’t seem to be pooh poohing the show now.

    No I’m an Adam fan.. I still think the show is going to the crapper. LOL ;)

  161. Planet Fierce:
    04/21/2010 at 3:45 pm
    Okay, I know this is OT, but does anyone know if Adam made it to the UK?

    So according to LP they are catching a flight tomarrow, but a friend of mine said she read somewhere that Adam was already on his way. So maybe if thats true the rest of the band will be meeting up with him later.

  162. Edit(K): Deleted the post you were responding to

    No, I only mentioned this in the first place because I love anything I hear on the radio from “an innocent bystander” :). I don’t want Adam to judge – I want him to perform! I just thought the conversation about him on the radio this morning was really positive, fun and unexpected! Also, although Adam’s my “main man”, I’m always happy to hear good for the other Idols. I hope Kris’ numbers are strong and the next single is announced/released soon.

  163. Adam was supposed to leave today on his already adjusted schedule so that makes sense…thanks for the update Smeggs, you are the bomb.

  164. Koshka: “No I’m an Adam fan.. I still think the show is going to the crapper. LOL”

    I second this!

  165. Isn’t it nice to know that singles matter? I remember when LLWD was selling bucketloads of downloads, the game was all about selling albums. And radio was a dinosaur and oh well, nevermind.

    you’re a riot jpfan!! we saw all that and understood what was going on!! loll

  166. Isn’t it nice to know that singles matter? I remember when LLWD was selling bucketloads of downloads, the game was all about selling albums. And radio was a dinosaur and oh well, nevermind.

    I didn’t see anyone saying albums didn’t matter? They most certainly do. Now people just want to see WWFM that much closer to platinum in the US, that’s all.

  167. The show is in the crapper but it still helps out with sales. Glee and Idol (with DWTS way behind) are the best gigs on TV when it comes moving the product. Oprah ain’t bad either.

    Anyway my guess will be double what WWFM sold last week. So if the % increase is 100, I’m a winner.

  168. I have a question about Jason, Kat and all the other artists who only sell 20K (or less) the first week. Unless they have a couple hit singles, they are unlikely to pick up many more sales. So what is the motivation for record companies to produce a whole album? They’ve got to be losing money on them. Unless the artist has a known fan base of a certain size, it would make more sense for them to produce 2-3 singles and then try to push them to radio. And then only if they are successful, produce the rest of the album.

    If I remember right, Ke$ha didn’t go into the studio to record the rest of her album until after Tik Tok had already hit the top of the charts. At the very least I would expect EP’s to be produced instead of full albums. What am I missing here?

  169. I posted a red Carpet interview from AfterElton.com at the GLAAD media awards, talking to Adam and then Rob on the headlines page if anyone is interested. Adam has a great line about not wanting to hide who he is and it would be really hard to hide how gay Adam Lambert really is haha I love that guy :)

  170. The show is in the crapper but it still helps out with sales. Glee and Idol (with DWTS way behind) are the best gigs on TV when it comes moving the product. Oprah ain’t bad either.

    ITA

  171. jms
    well I am by no means an expert at anything. But I listen to alot of music that doesn’t get played on the radio at all. But the bands/artists have been around for a long time. And they tour alot. So maybe they don’t put alot of money into the albums as say RCA and make their money touring. I have talked to alot of bands that sell a good portion of their cd’s at concerts. And I think it has been discussed that now a days touring is where you make the money. What with pirating and all that stuff. haha I don’t really know though its all IMHO and YWWV and all that jazz

  172. Preventive moderation! Come on people, don´t start with it. Today is a fun day! Ahh my Kris prediction: I gues he´ll go 26k. Where are the numbers? Have a safe flight Adam, if you really on air!

  173. I haven’t been following, but did they release a new single for Jordin or are they done with Jordin’s album and not releasing any more singles?

  174. I agree with everybody on the judging thing…probably would never happen, but man…it’s hard to ignore his knack for this type of thing. He sure has a lot of career possiblities if this singing gig doesn’t work out…lol.

    This is what I am thinking. Adam can go in so many directions and do well I think. I knew he would be a good mentor but I can actually see him doing very well as a judge. I have no doubt he will invited again to mentor or judge next year. I know the judge thing is just rumor mill but if Adam can make a smidgen of what Simon makes it would be hard to say no.

  175. I don’t read all the blogs, but just the ones I’ve read, no one wants Adam to be a judge on AI. They want him to concentrate on his music career.

  176. Jeeez, still no numbers??
    has it ever been that long? or am I just too impatient?….. tap tap tap tap tap….

    Got my tix for Costa Mesa – Galm Nation. Yay! Anyone in here know, why I cannot get any more tix for the Glam Nation tour in Costa Mesa? It can’t be sold out can it? or are they holding back for Saturday’s general sale.

  177. Got my tix for Costa Mesa – Galm Nation. Yay! Anyone in here know, why I cannot get any more tix for the Glam Nation tour in Costa Mesa? It can’t be sold out can it? or are they holding back for Saturday’s general sale.

    I believe they only put a limited number up for pre-sale. I think I saw more available tomorrow.

  178. I love Adam’s voice and personality, I think most know that already. I think he would make a great judge as would Kelly, Jennifer Hudson, Kimberley Locke, Laytoya London, and David Cook. I think all of these past Idols have an understanding of music plus a personality that would do well for what is needed for a Reality show Judge. Personality with Smarts….I think Kris A, Daughtry, Clay, and Carrie Underwood would be decent but for one reason or another lack the depth of knowledge of the music industry or don’t have the required personality to be an excellent judge.IMHO But none of them I feel should give up what they do as artist (or cut back) because no matter how good of a judge they would be they are better music singing entertainers. Whats the expression those who can do those who can’t judge. The idols that would make the best or good judges can DO!!! No need for any of then to judge. IMHO

  179. Russell freaking Brand is on idol gives back tonight!!!! OMG YEEEESSSS!!! sorry….
    ok so where are the numbers????

  180. Russell freaking Brand is on idol gives back tonight!!!! OMG YEEEESSSS!!!

    where is Katy?

  181. BeckyMD:
    04/21/2010 at 4:19 pm

    How about guest judge for one episode before Hollywood week?

    I would love for that to happen! Or something similar on the X-factor!

  182. Isn’t it nice to know that singles matter? I remember when LLWD was selling bucketloads of downloads, the game was all about selling albums

    I think both matter. That’s why I’m thrilled that Adam has an album that’s gold and a soon-to-be single that platinum! When you add in the singles(both of them) and album sales from outside of the US- Adam has a balanced input of sales! I’m happy!!!

  183. I love Adam’s voice and personality, I think most know that lready. I think he would make a great judge as would Kelly, Jennifer Hudson, Kimberley Locke, Laytoya London, and David Cook. I think all of these past Idols have an understanding of music plus a personality that would do well for what is needed for a Reality show Judge.

    I don’t know. You have to be really tough and make unpopular statements and you know at times you’re going to practically make contestants cry. I don’t see Cook ever behing comfortable with that.

    HOWEVER! I love the idea of rotating past-idol contestants as mentors. Not only bring back Adam, but add Cook, Kelly, and even some non-winners who are doing well now, to talk about the mistakes they feel they made and the lessons they think they’ve learned. You can tap a pool of past-Idol contestants and work around their schedules… if they’re in LA working on a new album and not touring then they’d be available on a semi-regular basis – perhaps every 4th show. I would love to see Cook, Lambert, Carrie, Kelly, Ruben, Kris and even Archie rotate as mentors.

    As for this whole replacing Cowell with Lambert thing, I’ll believe it when I see it. I don’t think AL is on a short list… I think his name came up and this just spread like wildfire.

  184. Hmm… Two night’s infomercial on the biggest show on TV accounts for what? A 7K sales bump for the album? I know it sounds impressive percentage-wise, but it’s really not a big return for the investment.

  185. As for this whole replacing Cowell with Lambert thing, I’ll believe it when I see it. I don’t think AL is on a short list… I think his name came up and this just spread like wildfire.

    I agree. Maybe the rumor will be good for some press while Adam is out of the country. I would also love to see other past idols come back as mentors. Most of the big names are rather dull and don’t have much to offer. Some have been excellent- but the majority of them have not been.

  186. jobbix, I agree. Although I do think the 115k for WWFM is excellent and likely worth the investment. As a platinum single it gives TPTB a marketing tool for Adam. But albums are what bring in 10 to 20 million dollars when they go platinum. By contrast, four platinum singles bring in 4 million dollars. For labels, albums are still their bread and butter. Even as touring and 360 deals help, the album is still the king, just like radio play. It’s changing, and the album’s and radio’s role is diminishing, and other models need to be developed, but for the next couple of years, it’s still about albums and the radio play needed to push album sales.

  187. That was a lot of work and pimpage for 13,000 sales out of the 20 million plus who watched. And look at all those above him. They had to expect a platinum album – so much investment and exposure for him. It’s got to hurt.

    I expect great numbers for his single though!

  188. It’s got to hurt.

    I think they are just fine with the pain. :-)

  189. jobbix, I agree. Although I do think the 115k for WWFM is excellent and likely worth the investment.

    That 115K number was a guess for the pool, not the real number.
    He should be so lucky :)

  190. Hmm… Two night’s infomercial on the biggest show on TV accounts for what? A 7K sales bump for the album? I know it sounds impressive percentage-wise, but it’s really not a big return for the investment.

    Did it RCA cost them to have Adam on as a mentor or performer? This is a real question, I don’t know how that works, since he’s a 19 managed person.

  191. I’d make a guess about Adam’s numbers but have lost access to the Top 50 downloads chart. Without it I’m pretty lost.

    That’s too bad jpfan, because you’ve been spot on with your predictions the last 60 days or so. I was going to ask you for some Lotto numbers. (and, tee hee, someone thought you were a Cooktard :)).

    yeah i remember ppl saying how bad it was that kat’s album sold like 20K the first week and are now happy that jason sold 20K his debut week, ironic

    I’m a Jason fan (and a McPhee-hater). I bought Jason’s cd, and I think it’s pretty solid. BUT, I’m disappointed by the sales. Bottom line is that Jason needs a radio hit (or two) or this cd is toast.

  192. BeckyMD:
    04/21/2010 at 4:19 pm

    How about guest judge for one episode before Hollywood week?

    Sold!!!!! I can see that for sure!

  193. They had to expect a platinum album – so much investment and exposure for him. It’s got to hurt

    “Come on baby, make it hurt so good….”

    Edit: Sorry…Pat Benatar totally took control of my fingers. :)

  194. sr4mjc:
    04/21/2010 at 4:44 pm

    Hmm… Two night’s infomercial on the biggest show on TV accounts for what? A 7K sales bump for the album? I know it sounds impressive percentage-wise, but it’s really not a big return for the investment.

    Did it RCA cost them to have Adam on as a mentor or performer? This is a real question, I don’t know how that works, since he’s a 19 managed person.

    It was really closer to 8K…(lol no I’m not a fan ha ha ha) but I think the bump will carry over to this week as well so it could be a two digit increase say 10-11K over a two week period which hey is not bad and I’ll take as I am sure many would. Again the bump on the Album sales may have been moderate but I am believe the bump on the Single sales is outstanding. His image was restored to some extent after the AMA’s and along that vain he was viewed as intelligent and kind and Humble. You can’t buy that or put a price on PR he got from the two day infomercial.

  195. Edit: Sorry…Pat Benatar totally took control of my fingers.

    John Cougar ;)

  196. His image was restored to some extent after the AMA’s and along that vain he was viewed as intelligent and kind and Humble. You can’t buy that or put a price on PR he got from the two day infomercial.

    Good point. It’s hard to put a price on good PR.

  197. Updated pool
    WWFM

    Starstruck2000—-70k
    lorismile—–75k
    Truthiness——76k
    Mad_World——–79k
    sr4mjc, girlygirl, Laury, Studio57——–—–80k
    agathe.hb—–80-90k
    unique——–—–80-95k
    springboard—81k
    tls62—————82k
    riskylady——-85k
    hoosiermama, kneipto–86k
    organic——-87k
    cakeygirl—89k
    cwm—-91k
    Soberba, mtlfan——92k
    Miss Chaos—-93k
    zzatrms—-94k
    BeckyMD, renataanelo—95k
    Levine, tiger92—–96k
    Kate——–97k
    Hakunamatata–-98k
    ilovekrisallen39–99k
    hoyed—99,999
    OhMyRawrr, Judee, Scott—–—100k
    Oksana2000——101k
    dhunken———–104k
    kittensmittens—105k
    vmac———–108k
    angela—–109k
    student_Inlove—110k
    alaadam—111k
    LaureIG—-112k
    bridgette—-115k
    smeggingnuts, schoolmama–-127k

    LLWD
    zzatrms—18k
    Oksana—23k
    renataamelo—26k
    hoosiermama, mtlfan—-28k
    LaureIG—–31k
    ilovekrisallen39—-32k
    Lavine—-33k
    BeckyMD, sr4mjc, angela—34k
    cwm—-35k
    Kate—-36k
    Truthiness, alaadam–37k
    Joyed—–37.5k
    kneipho——–45k

  198. Edit (K): Don’t tell other posters what to do. Everybody is entitled to their opinion and need not be a record exec in order to post here. Stop dragging other Idols into.

  199. I’m glad Danny sold 5k albums; only down 8% and stayed in the BB200.

  200. I believe the AI appearance is free of charge.

    Why is it taking so long to get the singles numbers? Is it possible that we’re not gonna get them? The anticipation is killing me…

  201. yeah i remember ppl saying how bad it was that kat’s album sold like 20K the first week and are now happy that jason sold 20K his debut week, ironic

    Yeah, but as I recall Kat was all over the place on national TV pimping her album. And we were all collectively scratching our heads wondering who her agent was and how this person was able to get her such awesome gigs. Jason, on the other hand, has had barely 1/3 of the promo that she has (it seems). But who knows, maybe he’ll get it in the coming weeks. In the meantime, that’s a pretty impressive achievement for very little hype. (For the record, I’ve never been a fan of Jason’s though I do respect that it wasn’t just those “cool blue eyes” that got him as far as he did on AI. He’s clearly talented and people are seeing something they like there.)

  202. OMG. If the numbers don’t come out soon, people are going to start eating each other.

    Please, don’t tell other posters what to do or make it personal with other posters. Off to delete the most outrageous examples.

  203. That 115K number was a guess for the pool, not the real number. He should be so lucky

    Oh! I had estimated about 100k, but honestly even if it’s 90k that’s great. The big question is, will singles sales be enough propell Adam further? I honestly think two more variables to the equation are missing – well, I should say to be determined: how well his tour sells and if the next single is as successful. If he can make big bucks filling 2000 seat venues and get a couple of big radio hits every couple of years, then sure, that would be success.

  204. adamlambert Hey guys!! :) prepping for big UK and Europe trip! Damn volcano kept us from leaving this past Sunday… But looks like we are all set now.

    Ok sounds like Adam hasn’t left yet he will be leaving tomarrow prob with the rest of the band.

  205. ahhh round 876859 of idiotic fanwarring is around the corner:)…Brian numbers stat…

  206. Heh I saw the 115 number thought it was the number coming out.Is this the day and time the numbers usually come out???

  207. Is WWFM still in top 10 on i-tunes?

    Yes…still holding steady at #10! :)

    Adam just tweeted..

    Hey guys!! :) prepping for big UK and Europe trip! Damn volcano kept us from leaving this past Sunday… But looks like we are all set now.
    12 minutes ago via Echofon

  208. Judee:
    04/21/2010 at 4:56 pm
    Is WWFM still in top 10 on i-tunes?

    Yep still holding at #10 but a GLEE tune is coming up fast at #15 so prob by the end of the day WWFM will be down to #11

  209. Scott:
    04/21/2010 at 5:05 pm
    John Cougar

    John Mellencamp now!

    Good thing him and Megan are such different ages can you imagine their poor kids, never remembering if Wednesday was when its supposed to be Joy-Corkery-Cougar or was it Cougar-Joy-Mellencamp. Or was its supposed to be Cougar-Mellemcamp-Corkery??????

  210. Any chance radio will see the great WWFM numbers and it’s consistent itunes run and start playing it more again. Or did it for sure peak? It had a great run either way, but considering it’s bump You’d think radio would pick up on it.

  211. Judee:
    04/21/2010 at 4:56 pm

    Is WWFM still in top 10 on i-tunes?

    As of two sec ago Yes….. :-)

  212. OK…I’ll rephrase.

    It’s amazing to me that with all of the monies apparently spent on the idols from Season 8 in promoting them and their albums that we have such “across the board” low figures for album sales from any of the signed Artists…especially in comparing their sales numbers to past idols. None of the visits to American Idol for any season 8 contestant has apparently yeilded the kind of results that earlier idols were able to get from return visits. Are “idol fans” just not into “buying” music anymore or are all of the season 8 contestants just not “up to snuff”?

  213. If I remember correctly, the Glee itunes didn’t stay on top of itunes so Adam could get back in top 10 by end of the week if he falls a bit soon. Right?

  214. green hippo, they usually limit you to 4-6 tix each in the presale. You need more?

  215. John Mellencamp now! ;)

    I was going by song release date, lol.

    Where are the numbers? I think Brian is laughing at us

  216. WWFM is wayyy too old for pop radio now (it’s been in top 30 for several months now). But it can do well on HAC and AC.

  217. If I remember correctly, the Glee itunes didn’t stay on top of itunes so Adam could get back in top 10 by end of the week if he falls a bit soon. Right

    No way, it’s not airplay, but the free top 10 advertising that is holding him there. once he falls and lose that, the sales will start to corelate with airplay (that means go DOWN not up).
    It’s actually quite a surprise he is still there…week after the performance

  218. claudette:
    04/21/2010 at 5:16 pm
    If I remember correctly, the Glee itunes didn’t stay on top of itunes so Adam could get back in top 10 by end of the week if he falls a bit soon. Right?

    I think sr4mjc said that last weeks stayed for about 3days then dropped fast. So technically yes, but some where saying that he is selling more because by being in the Top 10 he is displayed on the front page which gets you impulse buys. So it could or could not happen. That also depends on whether this is still left over from Idol or just renewed interest……so in sumation…er I don’t know hahaha

  219. sr4mjc:
    04/21/2010 at 4:53 pm
    Edit: Sorry…Pat Benatar totally took control of my fingers.
    John Cougar

    OMG….I guess you can only multi-task so much in one day. Pat Benatar was actually on my iTunes radio while I was refreshing this thread for the 500 millionth time today and I was talking to a co-worker on the phone while typing the comment. I guess I found my Adam limit. Lol

  220. Any chance radio will see the great WWFM numbers and it’s consistent itunes run and start playing it more again. Or did it for sure peak? It had a great run either way, but considering it’s bump You’d think radio would pick up on it.

    Pop is done. It could get up to #6 on AC this week or next though. It’s at #8 I think right now.

  221. Brian is probably lurking and sitting back rubbing his hands together cackling with *snort* GLEE

  222. Tess:
    04/21/2010 at 5:14 pm

    OK…I’ll rephrase.

    It’s amazing to me that with all of the monies apparently spent on the idols from Season 8 in promoting them and their albums that we have such “across the board” low figures for album sales from any of the signed Artists…especially in comparing their sales numbers to past idols. None of the visits to American Idol for any season 8 contestant has apparently yeilded the kind of results that earlier idols were able to get from return visits. Are “idol fans” just not into “buying” music anymore or are all of the season 8 contestants just not “up to snuff”?

    I think its up to who ever is given their opinion on the numbers. Is the issue past Idols or this year record buying. For example you state that the bumps were not that impressive but I personally don’t recall any past idol getting as impressive and as long lasting a bump as Adam right now. He has a song that is a mature single and basically from the appearance on idol has had its best week. Past Idols were promoting singles at the start of there arc. I asked a question back many pages but I guess Kirsten did not see it as it was addressed to her. Since she is well educated in the numbers game. (well much more then me) and has been doing this for awhile I wanted her perspective of Adam Idol bump and if she felt it was impressive. It also makes me wonder if Radio was more open to the song and played it at the same time and added it much quicker would it have sold even better. One appearance and to me it is selling better then the norm for a tv appearance. Kirsten thank you in advance if you get to answer the question.

  223. where the f is the mansfield single numbers?? adams fans should buy a mediabase subscription !

  224. What is taking Brian so long? Could it be that the bump for WWFM is so HUMONGOUS that it’s off the chart literally? :-)

  225. Late to the party. So what are the numbers …FYE and WWFM? Or are they not in yet?

  226. *
    luval:
    04/21/2010 at 5:25 pm

    Late to the party. So what are the numbers …FYE and WWFM? Or are they not in yet?

    OMG that is right we also had good placement for FYE and Voodoo for awhile. My guess is

    FYE Single-22K
    Voodoo-27K

  227. Any chance radio will see the great WWFM numbers and it’s consistent itunes run and start playing it more again

    .

    No. Certainly not on pop radio. It has had its run there. But it is still growing on HAC and AC.

  228. mmb:
    04/21/2010 at 5:28 pm

    Any chance radio will see the great WWFM numbers and it’s consistent itunes run and start playing it more again

    .

    No. Certainly not on pop radio. It has had its run there. But it is still growing on HAC and AC.

    Thank God it finally passed One Republic on HAC. I was wondering when that was going to happen But a wind in the wrong direction and One Republic will pass it again. :lol:

    On AC he is only on 33 station and is number 12. He is being spun more then the ones ahead of him per station but they are on a lot more stations. Again a case of not all the stations going to be playing him at the same time which will stall his growth on the chart. In contrast Kris is being played about 2 times less but is on more then twice as many radio stations. Go figure!

  229. luval we are still waiting…..some not as patient (raises hand) as others haha

  230. I wanted her perspective of Adam Idol bump and if she felt it was impressive.

    Sorry. I missed it. I’m having a busy day in general and it takes for ever to delete posts. Grumble. Grumble. Grumble.

    We’ve never had an Idol mentor before, so there isn’t a precedent for that.

    Despite that, I do think that the Idol bump is an usually long one. Part of that is reaching the top 10 (which as somebody mentioned above is free advertising), but even that doesn’t explain all of it. Glee regularily gets a song or two into the top 10 and they typically start tumbling about 2.5-3 days later (and then surge again a bit when the new episode airs).

    A further suprising thing about the bump for this song is that it is so old and exposed. Normally, we see bigger bumps for songs that are new because there are that many more people discovering it for the first time (e.g. Brook’s song last year). But, the song has been on the radio for months and the judges/producers have made sure that Adam is not forgotten.

    So, why is it lasting so long? Well, it would be speculation (I’m not record exec, but I love to speculate and it is not against the rules). I suspect that part of it was all the press his appearance got (more than the usual guest/mentor), he did what many consider to be a great performance (many guests/mentors lay eggs all over the stage like some musical Easter Bunny from Hell) and there was some reconnecting with the Idol audience (some of who may, for various reasons, stopped being fans or forgotten why they liked the guy. I believ that Adam may be a tad more polarizing than some other Idols). So, combine it all together and you get a bit of a perfect storm.

  231. thank you smeggingnuts & dhunken…another hand raised!

    oh, I read back a few pages …what was that 7K or 8K number about? FYE album?

  232. As for album sales bump, I think Carrie and Daughtry had bigger bumps in term of real numbers, probably not in percentage. 6K is such a low base number which big sellers seldom fall under.

  233. (many guests/mentors lay eggs all over the stage like some musical Easter Bunny from Hell)

    hahahahahaha OMG I think I am a little tired from waiting not so patiently cuz that line has given me the giggles the likes I haven’t had since listening to DWTS’s singer try and sing FYE….hahahahhahaha *wipes away tears*
    Thanks Kristen

  234. Kirsten thank you I respect your opinion as it is educated based on all the hard work you have been providing us over the years by posting the sales numbers and giving you critiques. (Some very entertaining ones at that). (plus you have taught me a lot and this student likes and respects his teacher :-) ) but again thank you I thought some of the same things you did but just wanted to be sure i wasn’t just being a hopeful fan.

    Oh and I did figure you were busy and just missed the post…I didn’t want to re-post it until the opportunity came up and it did. Thanks again for answering

    Smeggs I agree about the Easter Bunny thing Kirsten has some of the best phases I have ever heard my favorite was last weeks. Dumber then a box of hair. I still laugh every time I see or say it.

  235. Reposting for people just coming in

    album numbers from Idol Chatter

    Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 33 (45,000, -15 percent, 357,000)
    Jason Castro, Jason Castro (20,000, debut, 20,000 total)
    Adam Lambert, For Your Entertainment (13,000, +121 percent, 605,000)
    Carrie Underwood, Play On (12,000, +5 percent, 1.467 million)
    Glee Cast, Glee: The Music, Vol. 1 (12,000, +54 percent, 787,000)
    Glee Cast, Glee: The Music, Vol. 2 (10,000, +48 percent, 584,000)
    Daughtry, Leave This Town (6,000, -3 percent, 1.024 million)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 32 (5,000, -10 percent, 878,000)
    Kidz Bop Kids, Kidz Bop 17 (5,000, +4 percent, 186,000)
    Danny Gokey, My Best Days (5,000, -8 percent)
    Various, WOW Hits 2010 (4,000, +6 percent)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call Country Vol. 2 (3,000, +1 percent, 275,000)
    Kellie Pickler, Kellie Pickler (1,000, -6 percent, 403,000)

    Tags:Adam Lambert Nielsen Jason Castro SoundScan

  236. Note to Bill Gates: an Idol themed keyboard with a titanium F5 button would sell gangbusters.

    Adam Lambert, Whataya Want From Me (100,000, +92 percent, 964,000 total)

    idolsnow: BREAKING NEWS: ADAM LAMBERT scores his first Billboard #1, as “Whataya Want From Me” enters Hot Dance Singles Sales in pole position.

  237. greenhippo, stubhub and other broker sites have lots of tix for ALL of Adam’s concerts including some that haven’t even gone on presale yet on ticketmaster. lol, but it’s really not funny. Many choices. You just gotta pay the price for the good seats. You wonder???? hmmmm….

  238. Here you go people.

    Adam Lambert, Whataya Want From Me (100,000, +92 percent, 964,000 total)
    Kris Allen, Live Like We’re Dying (37,000, -4 percent, 1.323 million)
    Daughtry, Life After You (19,000, -19 percent, 645,000)
    Carrie Underwood, Temporary Home (19,000, -14 percent, 398,000)
    Jason Castro, Hallelujah [Album Version] (18,000, debut, 18,000)
    Jason Castro, Over the Rainbow [Album Version] (13,000, +911 percent, 31,000)
    Carrie Underwood, Cowboy Casanova (12,000, -6 percent, 1.295 million)
    Kelly Clarkson, All I Ever Wanted (10,000, +25 percent, 69,000)
    Kelly Clarkson, Already Gone (9,000, -9 percent, 1.336 million)
    Jason Castro, Let’s Just Fall in Love Again (9,000, +397 percent, 118,000)
    Carrie Underwood, Before He Cheats (5,000, -1 percent, 2.981 million)
    Elvis Presley, Suspicious Minds (4,000, +207 percent, 515,000 total)
    Kellie Pickler, Best Days of Your Life (4,000, -7 percent, 1.007 million)

    Anna Wilson, You Don’t Know Me (feat. Matt Giraud) (6,000 total)
    Anoop Desai, My Name (2,000 total)
    Kimberley Locke, Strobelight (1,000 total)

  239. I personally don’t recall any past idol getting as impressive and as long lasting a bump as Adam right now.

    I think Tess was refering to albums, and yes we’ve seen past AI contestants get MUCH bigger album bumps. Cook’s album sales jumped from 7600 to 24769 in the first week after his AI appearance last year, an increase of over 225%, and sales continued on to the next week at 21365. That said, it looks like WWFM is going to get a really nice boost.

    ETA: and yes it did, lol. Congrats!

  240. OMG!!! 100k FOR WWFM!!

    we figured out the hot 100 formula, and he had to sell at least 89K to beat #12 (bob)…..so hes gonna be #11 or #10 on billboard hot 100!!!

  241. So the winners of guess what the singles are gonna sell this week go to
    WWFM
    OhMyRawrr, Judee, Scott—–—100k

    LLWD
    Truthiness, alaadam–37k
    *throws glitter* um duck if not a fan of glitter hahah

  242. Buderschnookie:
    04/21/2010 at 5:41 pm

    Note to Bill Gates: an Idol themed keyboard with a titanium F5 button would sell gangbusters.

    Adam Lambert, Whataya Want From Me (100,000, +92 percent, 964,000 total)

    idolsnow: BREAKING NEWS: ADAM LAMBERT scores his first Billboard #1, as “Whataya Want From Me” enters Hot Dance Singles Sales in pole position.

    Is this real or are you pulling our legs or other body parts…..OMG…..First Kris and now Adam both have #1 position on BB charts. Woohoo

  243. Yay! ADam sold 100K in one week. So excited! Hillarious I predicted Kris’s on the money and not even a big fan. But, I do follow itune #’s closely.

  244. So it’s basically a 48K bump for the single. Not too shabby, but not a grand slam either.

  245. idolsnow BREAKING NEWS: ADAM LAMBERT scores his first Billboard #1, as “Whataya Want From Me” enters Hot Dance Singles Sales in pole position.3 minutes ago

    yes the remix worked!!!!

  246. Top 10 on Billboard’s Digital Songs Chart and #1 on Dance Single Chart (didn’t even know that chart existed) lmao.

  247. wow better than what i expected!!!!
    congrats!!

    that was a fun game.. thanks smeggingnuts

  248. undercooked:
    04/21/2010 at 5:42 pm

    Here you go people.

    What about Voodoo and FYE they both had to sell fairly well. Both made the top 200 on itumes for most of the week. I am sure sold better then Before He Cheats as it ranked higher on the charts for the week. Confused?

  249. I LOST! And I couldn’t be happier! I think I did win the Planet fierce one though, hee hee and if he ends up at #10 on BB, I’ll win that too, lol!!!

    Good going Adam! Next week platinum!

  250. I would think it is possible for him to have 75K sold of WWFM this week. Awesomeness on the 100K for this past week! :)

  251. Very fun game.So happy Are guy’s are doing so great.Next week we should guess again.Thanks smeggingnuts.

  252. Dang! I was hoping he would have numbers for FYE (the single) I know it has to be over 300K or more by now. And Voodoo, what were those #’s. We may never know. FYE could go gold and we will never know. *sigh*

  253. Are “idol fans” just not into “buying” music anymore or are all of the season 8 contestants just not “up to snuff”?

    Tess~
    I personally feel that Season 8 was one of the strongest seasons that Idol has given us. I also feel that the economy has increasingly hit Idol hard throughout these last few years. I tend to think it has more to do with the buying rather than the talent.

  254. cakeygirl:
    04/21/2010 at 5:45 pm
    OMG!!! 100k FOR WWFM!!

    we figured out the hot 100 formula, and he had to sell at least 89K to beat #12 (bob)…..so hes gonna be #11 or #10 on billboard hot 100!!!

    Woah! Better than I thought! I thought I was shooting really high, but I guess not! Awesome news about the Billboard hot 100!!!

    Also- a Billboard #1! Way to go BB!!!

  255. Great job Adam! And he just loves Dance music and that is a part of what he dreamed of doing so he’s got to be ecstatic about his Billboard 1 !!!!!! Fantastic!!!

  256. Any word on when Kris is releasing a new single…seems like pretty soon would be a good time, since LLWD is still selling fairly well.

  257. Yikes, while waiting for the numbers, watched youtube WWFM from Idol last week…it has almost half a million views when you add the various views together. WOW. Still chilling vocals at the beginning. I think of Bend Me Hold Me (is that the name?) Stunning vocals. Stunning performance. Watched by 20,000,000 poeple! (my spelling homage to Adam).

  258. dcglam:
    04/21/2010 at 5:56 pm
    I personally feel that Season 8 was one of the strongest seasons that Idol has given us.

    What are you basing it on? It can’t be sales or viewer ratings. Have you watched all of the previous seasons?

  259. progression:
    04/21/2010 at 5:45 pm

    I personally don’t recall any past idol getting as impressive and as long lasting a bump as Adam right now.

    I think Tess was refering to albums, and yes we’ve seen past AI contestants get MUCH bigger album bumps. Cook’s album sales jumped from 7600 to 24769 in the first week after his AI appearance last year, an increase of over 225%, and sales continued on to the next week at 21365. That said, it looks like WWFM is going to get a really nice boost.

    ETA: and yes it did, lol. Congrats!

    Oh gee this is a case of apples and oranges and both of us are talking about two separate things. I was talking about WWFM bump and its longevity.

  260. Are the presale Adam concert tix already sold out? Anyone know. THanks!

  261. BREAKING NEWS: ADAM LAMBERT’s “Whataya Want From Me” breaks into top 10 on Hot 100, rocketing 23-10 for new peak position.

  262. Congrats to Kelly Pickler too!!! Platinum single. Way to go girl!!

  263. I am really excited about about Adam’s sales this week yippie *does little dance*
    errr
    *looks around*
    I hope no one saw that

  264. Can’t we all be happy for our Top 2 Season 8 boys today? Yay!

    Living in the past is so… living in the past ;)

  265. BeckyMD:
    04/21/2010 at 5:41 pm
    did we usually get single # ahead of albums?

    Yes, but it doesn’t matter. Good news is good news! The wait made the amazing numbers even more exciting!!!

    Plus, the poll and discussion was fun while we waited! It was like the old tour threads! LOL

  266. Are the presale Adam concert tix already sold out? Anyone know. THanks!

    Yes, mostly to scalpers who already have them on EBAY and Stubhub for lots of money. In NJ, one General Admission ticket is listed for $1,000. You don’t even get a seat!!

  267. Yupi!!!
    121% increase on album sales and 92% on the single sales for Adam!!
    And excellent number for Kris too..:)

    Also, congrats to those that won the poll :)

  268. Caden:
    04/21/2010 at 5:59 pm

    dcglam:
    04/21/2010 at 5:56 pm
    I personally feel that Season 8 was one of the strongest seasons that Idol has given us.

    What are you basing it on? It can’t be sales or viewer ratings. Have you watched all of the previous seasons?

    I watched from Season 1 and I would say that Season 7 and Season 8 gave us the strongest group of artist. (I know season 5 had a lot of successful artist but I really did not like most of them.) I think Season 7 & 8 gave us talent, personality and great TV. The perfect combos. For that Season 8 along with 7 are the strongest seasons Idol has given. Success is not only measured in Sales. ( though it doesn’t hurt. :lol: )

  269. JIMDOGSILKIES:
    04/21/2010 at 6:00 pm
    Are the presale Adam concert tix already sold out? Anyone know. THanks!

    Yeah from what I heard they sold out of the pre-sale tickets in about 10mins. There are some already on Stubhub for like 1k….frikken scalpers -.-

  270. I watched from Season 1 and I would say that Season 7 and Season 8 gave us the strongest group of artist. (I know season 5 had a lot of successful artist but I really did not like most of them.) I think Season 7 & 8 gave us talent, personality and great TV. The perfect combos. I for that Season 8 (along with 7) are the strongest seasons Idol has given. Success is not only measured in Sales. ( though it doesn’t hurt. :lol: )

    I watched them all and I would agree with every word of this- Seasons 7 and 8 were the best.

    BREAKING NEWS: ADAM LAMBERT is also #1 on Billboard’s Hot Singles Sales chart, where “Whataya Want From Me” enters at the top.

  271. Buderschnookie:
    04/21/2010 at 6:00 pm

    BREAKING NEWS: ADAM LAMBERT’s “Whataya Want From Me” breaks into top 10 on Hot 100, rocketing 23-10 for new peak position.

    Excuse me I got something in my eye….Post amongst yourselves…..topic The great Idol news this week….

    Yeah to Kellie Pickler for passing 1 million mark in sales of her single!

  272. Congrats to the Idols—a great week of singles sales! And congrats to the winners of the game. I’m glad I lost since I way underestimated both songs. Yay!

    Thanks smeggingnuts for being the “banker”—you made the game fun!

  273. So Adam and Kris both have #1 Billboard hits. Nice!

    I’m a little surprised WWFM jumped so many spots (13) on the Hot 100 to crack the Top 10, but that is exciting for Adam.

    LLWD is hanging in there, isn’t it? I’m thinking it should get to at least 1.5 million…

    Oh and nice to see several songs off Jason’s new album on the download list

  274. Judee:
    04/21/2010 at 6:05 pm

    YaY i won the predction:)

    Congrats…High Five….(Slap)

  275. IdolsNow: Adam Lambert scores his first Billboard #1, as “Whataya Want From Me” enters Hot Dance Singles Sales in pole position. Adam is also #1 on Billboard’s Hot Singles Sales chart, where “Whataya Want From Me” enters at the top. Finally, Whataya Want From Me” breaks into top 10 on Hot 100, rocketing 23-10 for new peak position….Also, Kris Allen’s “Live Like We’re Dying” continues its #1 reign on Christian Digital Songs and Christian/Gospel Digital Songs.

    GREAT JOB GUYS!!! WOOT….Partay!!!!

  276. So does this mean Adam officially has a Top 10 hit? So many charts and stuff to keep up with. If so, yay!

    Love the picture Brian used!

    I love Season 7 and 8 so much!

  277. idolsnow:

    BREAKING NEWS: ADAM LAMBERT scores his first Billboard #1, as “Whataya Want From Me” enters Hot Dance Singles Sales in pole position.

    BREAKING NEWS: ADAM LAMBERT is also #1 on Billboard’s Hot Singles Sales chart, where “Whataya Want From Me” enters at the top.

    Oh gee this is a case of apples and oranges and both of us are talking about two separate things. I was talking about WWFM bump and its longevity.

    WWFM moved up to the Top 10 on both iTunes and Amazon last Wednesday. It is still #10 on both. It is an impressive run — 100K is a nice number — and WWFM will have another good week this week.

    Now the big question is where does WWFM end up on the Billboard Hot 100.

    ETA: FYE Album moved up to #35 — from #78 — and that fine with me. [No not in Cook’s league on album increase but that was a pretty amazing bump for him last year.]

    WWFM has been in both the iTunes and Amazon Top 10 for 7 days now. The

  278. Are “idol fans” just not into “buying” music anymore or are all of the season 8 contestants just not “up to snuff”?

    Tess~
    I personally feel that Season 8 was one of the strongest seasons that Idol has given us. I also feel that the economy has increasingly hit Idol hard throughout these last few years. I tend to think it has more to do with the buying rather than the talent.

    Interesting that this got brought up. In the episode recap thread from last night, Hazehel and Mary102 were discussing this topic and said this:

    The one is objective, the other quite subjective. So I don’t quite get the point of bringing sales into my point about S8 producing a lot of talent.

    Because sales is arguably an objective measure of the collective response emerging from a lot of subjective opinions. If many people think Season 8 produced a lot of talent, then collectively there will be more people who will buy their albums. Since they don’t do it in great numbers, it is likely an indication that fewer people actually hold such opinion.

    There is of course the special reason which may explain the poorer than expected performance of Adam, but still, it’s a season that produced a winner whose album is selling at less than half of the previous low by any previous Idol winner (and less than a quarter of the preceding season’s winner), by any standard it is very poor indeed.

    Of course, because of overal declining sales in the industry you have to judge sales in terms of their placement in the BB charts and not just raw numbers, so I’m not sure if you look at it from that perspective S8 is really doing that badly (though I don’t have the rankings). That said, Kris’ being out of the BB200 does pull things down by a LOT for S8 as a whole, his platinum single notwithstanding.

  279. The roller coaster continues—congrats Adam! and Kris, too. Season 8 is alive and well!

  280. BeckyMD:
    04/21/2010 at 6:08 pm
    lol at Brian selection of pic coming along with the article. how appropriate

    OMG that is the perfect picture coudoes to Brian…nice choice

  281. sr4mjc:
    04/21/2010 at 6:10 pm

    So does this mean Adam officially has a Top 10 hit? So many charts and stuff to keep up with. If so, yay!

    Billboard Hot 100 [which is closest to Top 10 that exists] comes out tomorrow. Possible, but a real stretch because it in about 60% based on airplay and Adam will probably only be around #21 or #22 on this week’s airplay chart. But songs often end up in the Top 10 with high sales [about 38% of chart points] and lower airplay point. Justin Bieber for example charts mostly on sales points.

  282. Awwww Adam I just love that guy

    adamlambert Thank you to everyone for making Whataya Want from Me #10 on the BIllboard Hot 100 and the Remixes are at #1 on the Hot Dance Singles!

  283. adamlambert Thank you to everyone for making Whataya Want from Me #10 on the BIllboard Hot 100 and the Remixes are at #1 on the Hot Dance Singles!

    but where were you Adam?

  284. Brian has updated the article about the album sales, with some additional numbers, including this:

    Kris Allen, Kris Allen (2,000, +5 percent, 295,000)

  285. Well congrats to Adam for getting his first number one (even if it is on the dance charts). Congrats to him for a good bump for WWFM.

    And congrats to Kris for such a small drop for a song that has been out there for so long! That song just keeps going and going. It’s overall sales are really good, and I’m stoked about it.

    Yeah I think Adam’s album sales continue to underperform relative to the high end of expectations from opportunities given, and I don’t think that is going to change. Sadly. Oh wells.

    Edited to add, thanks girlygirl for bringing that over from Brian Mansfield. And thanks to Brian for putting out that number. I knew it couldn’t be less than 1,000 sales. Good to see Kris also got an increase in album sales.

  286. Billboard top 10. Unbelievable. I could care less about the subchart #1 ( dance)- Here are the other idol ( non coronation songs) to go top 10 on billboard ( correct me if I missed one):

    #10 Battlefield
    #10 WWFM!!!!
    #9 I Told You So
    #9 Sorry 2004
    #9 Miss Independent
    #8 Tattoo
    #8 Before He Cheats
    #8 Never Again *
    #7 Because Of You
    #6 I’ll Stand By You *
    #6 Breakaway
    #6 Because Of You
    #5 Home
    #4 It’s Not Over
    #4 The Way/ Solitaire *
    #3 No Air
    #2 Crush *
    #2 Since You Been Gone
    #1 My Life Would Suck Without You

    * denotes peak in debut week

  287. What are you basing it on? It can’t be sales or viewer ratings. Have you watched all of the previous seasons?

    Yes, I have watched all previous seasons of Idol. As I stated, I personally feel…… JMHO (not that deep) ;)

  288. Ok I just want to point out that the idol appearance did exactly what it was suppose to and it was imppressive. Maybe individually some of the stats are only Good and not great but put them all together and we get…

    Album sales of 8K higher a percentage increase of 121%
    Single Sales of 48K higher and percentage increase of 92%
    Enters BB Top Dance Tracks at #1
    Place #10 on BB hot 100 (Viability alone will help with more sales)
    Huge media buzz and positive reviews on his mentoring and performance even from many previous detractors.

  289. That complilation cd that is selling well, how do Daughtry, Kris and Adam get paid for those sales? Small percentage of sales or just one time fee to use the song?

  290. In a totally not based on any fact or logic what so ever I believe that If I Had You has a chance to become a Top 10 Hit…because it has the word You in the title and almost 25% of the Idol songs that have done so also have you in the title……hahahahahaha

  291. In a totally not based on any fact or logic what so ever I believe that If I Had You has a chance to become a Top 10 Hit…because it has the word You in the title and almost 25% of the Idol songs that have done so also have you in the title……hahahahahaha

    This is the most scientific prediction I saw since I’ve been in this blog!!!

  292. Well, I sound like a broken record…illegal downloading…EVERYONE I know does it. And it will get worse IMO. These numbers sound fantastic when you think about it. There is no way you can stop this thievery of music.

  293. BREAKING NEWS: ADAM LAMBERT is also #1 on Billboard’s Hot Singles Sales chart, where “Whataya Want From Me” enters at the top.
    19 minutes ago via web

    Someone help me….KIRSTEN—what chart is this….how is he #1 on hot singles sales chart if he was not the #1 sales song…is this digital sales? Please Explain thank you!

  294. OMG I WON!!!!!1111!!!! And I think I was only the second prediction today. I was excited just to be included in the pool!

    *pulls out acceptance speech* I would like to thank American Idol for making all of this possible!!! ;)

  295. YAY for Adam!!!

    #1 BB Hot Dance Chart
    #1 BB Hot Singles Chart
    #10 BB Hot 100

  296. HotHotHot:
    04/21/2010 at 6:34 pm
    YAY for Adam!!!

    #1 BB Hot Dance Chart
    #1 BB Hot Singles Chart
    #10 BB Hot 100

    Yeah, and our radio station here won’t add him. :(

  297. BREAKING NEWS: ADAM LAMBERT’s “Whataya Want From Me” breaks into top 10 on Hot 100, rocketing 23-10 for new peak position.

    BREAKING NEWS: ADAM LAMBERT is also #1 on Billboard’s Hot Singles Sales chart, where “Whataya Want From Me” enters at the top.

    OMFG!!! This is a very happy day for Adam and his fans!!!! Thank you American Idol!

    Adam said this in an EW interview last week (about Ken Warwick’s comments):

    I don’t feel like I’m struggling at all. I think things are right where they need to be. My single ‘What Do You Want From Me,’ is just breaking into the Top 10 right now.

    What is he, a psychic?

    Thanks smeggs for organizing the poll. It was really fun.

    I watched them all and I would agree with every word of this- Seasons 7 and 8 were the best.

    ITA!!!!

  298. What is a difference between BB Hot Singles Chart and BB Hot 100..?

  299. I don’t feel like I’m struggling at all. I think things are right where they need to be. My single ‘What Do You Want From Me,’ is just breaking into the Top 10 right now.

    When he said this in the EW article people were calling him a liar, lol ( even though he was correct in saying he was on the verge of breaking the HAC radio chart). I just love how he puts things out there to the universe, and they come back for him, lol.

    I am thinking the HOT DIGITAL SINGLES might be the new name for “Heatseekers”???? Songs that are big movers?

    EDIT- Just checked and they still have Heatseekers so that’s not it.

    Oksana- The Hot 100 singles chart is the big kahuna- it’s the mainstream chart for all songs on Billboard no matter what the genre. The Hot 200 is the album version of the singles chart. These two charts are THE measure for a song more than any other IMHO

  300. *pulls out acceptance speech* I would like to thank American Idol for making all of this possible!!!

    Congrats OhMyRawrrr!
    Your acceptance speech was really heart touching.. *wipes tears*

    aka Lazyc0w

  301. Looks like WWFM could maybe hold off Borderline from Glee. Borderline has started to slow its climb only moving up 1 spot to #14 on Itunes its last increase was I think only 1 or 2 spots. Good sign for WWFM *fingers, legs, arms and eyes crossed*

  302. Does anyone have access to the popularity bars on Itunes? I want to see for myself how close that damn Glee song is, lol.

  303. GUYS-

    is this the highest charting song since “candle in the wind” by elton john for an openly gay artist???

    im so excited!!!! ken warwick suck it

  304. haha Adam changed his background for his twitter again to a pic from the GLAAD red carpet..with his shades :)

  305. Studio57 how do you find the popularity bars, I can look for you

  306. is this the highest charting song since “candle in the wind” by elton john for an openly gay artist???

    Why would you marginalize him like that? He’s competing in the music industry not just among gay people. Its like saying he’s the biggest artist among guys with dyed red hair who bathe in glitter.

  307. Oh and though wrong about Adam’s single numbers, I was right about Kris’s, so gooo me! And I was happy to be wrong about Adam’s as it was too long, happy about being right about Kris’s, because I kept it pretty high. So yay all the way around.

  308. Caden:
    04/21/2010 at 6:55 pm

    is this the highest charting song since “candle in the wind” by elton john for an openly gay artist???

    Why would you marginalize him like that? He’s competing in the music industry not just among gay people. Its like saying he’s the biggest artist among guys with dyed red hair who bathe in glitter.

    Oh I think he is number 1 under those criteria….J/K I agree with you and you have me giggling.

  309. smegs you have to have a certain version of itunes- try by going into your store to the top 200 and at the top of your options, select view and then view options, and then popularity. Once the popularity bars show up you can stretch the column to make it easier to read.

  310. This is the only way popularity bars work for me, I’m at work now though and can’t check itunes. I use a mac at home, but this should work if you have itunes 9

    I have to close itunes. Then open this link in your browser, it should launch itunes. The view should change any you should able to add popularity bars back. Right click on top bar I think or use one of the menus

    http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/sidebarDefaultSeeAllSongs

  311. Its like saying he’s the biggest artist among guys with dyed red hair who bathe in glitter.

    Well he IS that, I know that much! lol :-)

    Congrats to Adam, much deserved, keep it comin’!

  312. @adamlambert Thank you to everyone for making Whataya Want from Me #10 on the BIllboard Hot 100 and the Remixes are at #1 on the Hot Dance Singles!
    about 1 hour ago via web

    And he´s thanking us! You´re welcome Adam

  313. haha got it
    Ok its Borderline isnt’ that close to WWFM, though it looks like WWFM is slightly more popular than the #9 song….does that mean it will go to #9 when the next update is?

  314. wasnt trying to marginalize, but its a nice history lesson, and a big deal to LGBT people, sorry

  315. sr4mjc:
    04/21/2010 at 7:03 pm

    This is the only way popularity bars work for me, I’m at work now though and can’t check itunes. I use a mac at home, but this should work if you have itunes 9

    I have to close itunes. Then open this link in your browser, it should launch itunes. The view should change any you should able to add popularity bars back. Right click on top bar I think or use one of the menus

    http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/sidebarDefaultSeeAllSongs

    Thanks for this from what I see WWFM is comfortable ahead of #11 In My Head but #9 Rude Boy is comfortably ahead of WWFM

  316. Dhunken what about Need you now by Lady A…that looks like it is slightly less popular atm than WWFM though still 1 spot ahead

  317. cakeygirl:
    04/21/2010 at 7:12 pm

    wasnt trying to marginalize, but its a nice history lesson, and a big deal to LGBT people, sorry

    Adam said he was the first openly gay guy to get a major record deal.

    No he isn’t.

    But he’s the first Idol to come out right after Idol.

    No, that was Will Young.

    But then he’s the first American Idol to come out right after the show.

    No, that was Jim Verreros

    But he’s the first openly gay American Idol to sign a major label deal.

    No, that was Clay Aiken in 2008.

    OK but he’s the first openly gay American Idol to sign his first major label deal right after coming off of Idol.

    Was he or did he come out after signing with Sony?

    Regardless, it really comes off as splitting hairs and I wish Adam would stop saying it in interviews. More so because he said he doesn’t want to be labeled the gay guy but rather a singer who happens to also be gay and because there are countless openly gay musicians out there and he wasn’t the first.

  318. Wait a minute – what does “tops 100K” mean? Does that mean he sold more than 100,000? If so – then I didn’t co-win – but I will happily relinquish the title in favor of more sales for Adam :D I am SO HAPPY for him – he deserves it so much!!!

  319. cakeygirl:
    04/21/2010 at 7:12 pm
    wasnt trying to marginalize, but its a nice history lesson, and a big deal to LGBT people, sorry

    I agree with you. Adam himself brings up the fact he’s the first openly gay artist to be signed to a major record deal. It’s an important stat and it needs to be talked about. So happy for Adam. He’s really paving the way for others right now. So, so happy for him… :)

  320. Caden, I don’t believe Adam has ever said all of that.

    And the fact is, as an openly gay guy, he probably never would have gotten a major record deal without AI. Which he has acknowledged, and is most likely why he is constantly so appreciative of the show.

  321. I actually think Adam did say something about being signed by a major label, but it might have been about being out before his signing and debut album? Maybe the GLAAD award red carpet interview. I’d have to listen again.

    I do think it’s a pretty damn good thing for the LGBT community, even if quotes aren’t entirely correct.

    Although technically Clay wasn’t out when he got his first record deal. I don’t think he’s ever said he’s the first openly gay idol off the show. There’s been several.

  322. Judee:
    04/21/2010 at 11:34 am
    He got one of the bigger bumps this season, that’s for sure…

    No big surprise with the 2 day Idol pimping. Wonder what some of the other Idols would have done with that?

  323. OMG OMG OMG I have never been happy to be so wrong. Congratulations Adam bb….you did so well last week.

  324. But he’s the first openly gay American Idol to sign a major label deal.

    No, that was Clay Aiken in 2008.

    Sorry, I’d have to disagree here. Clay hid that he was gay for 6 years. He already had a major career going when he came out and then signed with a new label.
    And as far as Will Young, Adam has always referred to the USA because he knows the UK and other European countries have been more open about gay artists.
    This is a major accomplishment for both Adam and the record industry in the US.

  325. tls62:
    04/21/2010 at 7:24 pm

    cakeygirl:
    04/21/2010 at 7:12 pm
    wasnt trying to marginalize, but its a nice history lesson, and a big deal to LGBT people, sorry

    I agree with you. Adam himself brings up the fact he’s the first openly gay artist to be signed to a major record deal. It’s an important stat and it needs to be talked about. So happy for Adam. He’s really paving the way for others right now. So, so happy for him… :)

    Lets be clear what he says is “I’ve been told I am the first openly gay artist to be singed by a Major Label at the start of my career.” He doesn’t say he is or that its an absolute but that this is what he has been told. Might be another case of splitting hairs but I think it is a distinguishable difference.

  326. On the gay thing :-)

    I thought Adam usually was careful to say that he’s the first openly gay person signed to a major label AT THE START of his recording career in the US. I think that’s the distinction. Whether it’s accurate or not, I have no idea.

    ETA: dhunken’s too fast for me, and with quotes and everything!

  327. But he’s the first openly gay American Idol to sign a major label deal.

    No, that was Clay Aiken in 2008.

    OK but he’s the first openly gay American Idol to sign his first major label deal right after coming off of Idol.

    Was he or did he come out after signing with Sony?

    Ok and since we must…..Clay Aiken debut album was while he was in the closet. 2008 was after 3 or 4 albums. Adam also was openly gay (maybe not officially to the public) before he was signed he had already done the RS interview so it was coming out either way so Technically he was out before being signed. But more to the point So what. It doesn’t make him any less of a gay artist that other young gay people can look up to and be proud. Truthfully any person trying to get into the music industry Adam is someone to look up too. IMHO

    Will Young is British not American so the standard is different. Will did not make it over here at all. EVen the boot song now is barely getting sales or radio play.

  328. sr4mjc:
    04/21/2010 at 7:32 pm

    I actually think Adam did say something about being signed by a major label, but it might have been about being out before his signing and debut album? Maybe the GLAAD award red carpet interview. I’d have to listen again.

    It was the GLAAD red carpet. Even if its what he was told he should not take his PR person’s spin as fact.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st778FXPe3s&feature=player_embedded

  329. Sorry Caden, on the Clay Aiken info, I believe you are wrong. When Clay signed his first deal (RCA) he was in the closet. Clay signed his second deal with Universal’s Decca records in August 2009, not 2008. This, of course, is AFTER Adam had signed with RCA.

  330. I thought Adam usually was careful to say that he’s the first openly gay person signed to a major label AT THE START of his recording career in the US. I think that’s the distinction. Whether it’s accurate or not, I have no idea.

    Poor Rufus Wainwright.

  331. “Adam said he was the first openly gay guy to get a major record deal. No he isn’t.”

    Curious, who was the first? Because the media keeps saying it, that’s where I heard it first.

    But he’s the first Idol to come out right after Idol. No, that was Will Young.

    But Will Young was UK Pop Idol, not American Idol, right?

    But then he’s the first American Idol to come out right after the show. No, that was Jim Verreros

    Those of us who never watched AI would not know him and per wiki he was signed to an indie label not a major record label.

    But he’s the first openly gay American Idol to sign a major label deal. No, that was Clay Aiken in 2008.

    Clay Aiken came out September 2008 in People Magazine, he signed with RCA in 2003 and during this period he was not “openly gay”, then he signed with Decca Records a British record label 2009.

    It’s important to a lot groups in the US when one of their own is successful. It would not matter if all were treated equally in the US, but it does to many and I am soooo happy for his SUCCESS!

  332. Oh happy day! What a thrill for Adam and his fans!! Congrats Adam!!

    Thanks for organizing the pool, smeggs. I was happy to be wrong for both Adam and Kris, because that meant more sales for both. :-)

  333. I don’t care, I’m just happy! If Adam is getting bad info, it won’t be the first or last time. Someone tweet bomb him and correct him, lol

  334. I thought Adam usually was careful to say that he’s the first openly gay person signed to a major label AT THE START of his recording career in the US. I think that’s the distinction. Whether it’s accurate or not, I have no idea.

    Many people have researched this — and it appears to be correct. I have been unable to find anyone who was openly gay and then was signed by a major label AT THE START OF THEIR CAREER. And I really can’t find any openly gay solo artist who came out before they had a hit song — and then had a hit. Most were successful, then came out — Elton John, Bowie, George Michael, Ricky Martin, etc.

    Clay specifically denied he was for a couple of years after Idol. But there have been other openly gay contestants on Idol. Idol get Ferras his big break and Adam would never have gotten signed without Idol.

    ETA: Many talented gay artists have been relegated to clubs and indie labels. This is a big deal to a lot of people — and a new artist who is openly gay getting US radio airplay is a very big deal.

  335. Caden:
    04/21/2010 at 7:44 pm

    sr4mjc:
    04/21/2010 at 7:32 pm

    I actually think Adam did say something about being signed by a major label, but it might have been about being out before his signing and debut album? Maybe the GLAAD award red carpet interview. I’d have to listen again.

    It was the GLAAD red carpet. Even if its what he was told he should not take his PR person’s spin as fact.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st778FXPe3s&feature=player_embedded

    With all due respect you have not shown that it is not…you have given some things that make you feel it is not correct but I don’t think you views are disputing what is being said. You comments I already commented on as to why they don’t work for me. But its really so meaningless and not something to splitting hairs over. I am gay and I am proud of Adam and think he is a positive roll model and is helping to breakdown barriers. That is the important issue. Period

  336. CindyM:
    04/21/2010 at 7:48 pm

    Sorry Caden, on the Clay Aiken info, I believe you are wrong. When Clay signed his first deal (RCA) he was in the closet. Clay signed his second deal with Universal’s Decca records in August 2009, not 2008. This, of course, is AFTER Adam had signed with RCA.

    I did differentiate between first and second major label deals.

    His new label was announced in August 2009 but the signing date was not made public. He talked about his new CD and going into the recording studio again well before the start of 2009. I don’t care either way but for some reason I remember reading it. Here, I think.

  337. dhunken, I was not arguing with you. I hope I’m in your quotes as a block with the other poster. xoxo

  338. ksgirlfordc:
    04/21/2010 at 7:33 pm

    Judee:
    04/21/2010 at 11:34 am
    He got one of the bigger bumps this season, that’s for sure…

    No big surprise with the 2 day Idol pimping. Wonder what some of the other Idols would have done with that?

    Well I for one hope we find out. I think Adam did a great job and I would hope the success of his mentoring will open the door for the likes of Kelly, Carrie, David C and David A, Carly, Jennifer Hudson, Kris A, Daughtry, Elliot, Kimberley Locke, Clay and so on and so on.

  339. sr4mjc:
    04/21/2010 at 8:00 pm

    dhunken, I was not arguing with you. I hope I’m in your quotes as a block with the other poster. xoxo

    First off I am not arguing with anyone I thought we are all having good dialogue. The posters I am discussing with are all giving intelligent thought out views. I am doing the same. You got in the quotes because I was quoting someone who took one of your quotes. I think You are great as I also think the person who I am quoting just don’t fully agree with them. On on prior post I did agree with them and it was not a pro Adam post.
    either.

    So big Wave and a big Hug…

  340. I am proud of Adam and think he is a positive roll model and is helping to breakdown barriers. That is the important issue. Period

    Amen. Well said.

  341. I have been unable to find anyone who was openly gay and then was signed by a major label AT THE START OF THEIR CAREER.

    I repeat: Rufus Wainwright. (ETA: That is, of course, if we are restricting the list to Americans.)

  342. dhunken, thanks for thinking I’m great. I think you are great too!

    Today is a great day for the Idol world, lots of love to share. IGB!!

  343. Caden, the article can be found on MJ’s on August 11, 2009. According to MJ’s article, Clay was signed in August 2009. Billboard reported that Clay and RCA parted ways in February 2009. Therefore, I doubt he signed using your original 2008 date. MJ’s archives are pretty cool.

  344. Q3
    Many people have researched this — and it appears to be correct. I have been unable to find anyone who was openly gay and then was signed by a major label AT THE START OF THEIR CAREER. And I really can’t find any openly gay solo artist who came out before they had a hit song — and then had a hit. Most were successful, then came out — Elton John, Bowie, George Michael, Ricky Martin, etc.

    Q3, thanks for laying it out so clearly. That is exactly how I understand it as well.

    Q3
    Many talented gay artists have been relegated to clubs and indie labels. This is a big deal to a lot of people — and a new artist who is openly gay getting US radio airplay is a very big deal.

    dhunken
    I am gay and I am proud of Adam and think he is a positive roll model and is helping to breakdown barriers. That is the important issue. Period

    Yes!! Well stated and to the point, Q3 and dhunken. This matters.

  345. Negative post are part of the fun, this is not a fan site!
    I’m so happy for this Billboard update!!!!! AHHHH that was unexpected (at least to me)!!!!! :) I wasn’t expecting a Top 10 on Billboard Hot 100, IMO is a great milestone.

    Also excellent updates for Jason and Kris….

    Definitely It’s time to open a bottle of wine and celebrate!!

  346. Keel:
    04/21/2010 at 8:08 pm

    “I have been unable to find anyone who was openly gay and then was signed by a major label AT THE START OF THEIR CAREER.”

    I repeat: Rufus Wainwright. (ETA: That is, of course, if we are restricting the list to Americans.)

    Rufus’s first two albums were with SKG Music LLC in 1998 and 2002. Is/was that a major label? My first thought is no. But I don’t know enough to say for sure. His current is with Decca Label Group. Would that be considered a major label?

  347. Congrats to Adam for selling 100,000 copies of his single WWFM last week and being close to going platinum. :)

  348. jms:
    04/21/2010 at 8:19 pm

    Rufus’s first two albums were with SKG Music LLC in 1998 and 2002. Is/was that a major label? My first thought is no. But I don’t know enough to say for sure. His current is with Decca Label Group. Would that be considered a major label?

    It is a sub-label of Universal Music Group,the largest label in the world. Decca is to UMG as RCA is to Sony.

  349. Rufus’s first two albums were with SKG Music LLC in 1998 and 2002. Is/was that a major label? My first thought is no. But I don’t know enough to say for sure. His current is with Decca Label Group. Would that be considered a major label?

    You beat me to this and no SKG Music is/was not a major label. But then again maybe to someone they are but I think by common criteria they are not. But Rufus is a great artist

  350. Caden:
    04/21/2010 at 8:27 pm

    “jms:
    04/21/2010 at 8:19 pm

    Rufus’s first two albums were with SKG Music LLC in 1998 and 2002. Is/was that a major label? My first thought is no. But I don’t know enough to say for sure. His current is with Decca Label Group. Would that be considered a major label?”

    It is a sub-label of Universal Music Group. The largest label in the world. Decca is to UMG as RCA is to Sony.

    Ok. So he’s currently signed to a major label. But what about SKG? Did he grow his career and progress to a major label (kudos to him if so).

    Or was a major label willing to take a risk on Rufus from the get go? If not, then Adam’s contract is a landmark. And if SKG is a major label, then what the heck took so long for another label to be willing to take that risk with a new artist?

    ETA: dhunken, I see your reply about SKG Music. Thank you.

  351. I get that people are excited about Adam, because he was really in the public eye from the beginning. He is the example of: see, you can be openly gay and labels will sign you and radio will play your songs if they’re good.
    Rufus Wainwright is more of a proof: don’t come out, US radio won’t support you….and you’ll be struggling here. His singles and albums were successful more outside US. He is not considered ‘mainstream’ in the US, because public doesn’t know about him….

  352. “jms:
    04/21/2010 at 8:19 pm

    Rufus’s first two albums were with SKG Music LLC in 1998 and 2002. Is/was that a major label? My first thought is no. But I don’t know enough to say for sure. His current is with Decca Label Group. Would that be considered a major label?”

    It is a sub-label of Universal Music Group. The largest label in the world. Decca is to UMG as RCA is to Sony.

    Ok. So he’s currently signed to a major label. But what about SKG? Did he grow his career and progress to a major label (kudos to him if so).

    Or was a major label willing to take a risk on Rufus from the get go? If not, then Adam’s contract is a landmark. And if SKG is a major label, then what the heck took so long for another label to be willing to take that risk with a new artist?

    It looks like it was a major that was bought out by UMG.

    UNIVERSAL CITY, CA, November 11, 2003 – DreamWorks SKG and Universal Music Group (UMG) announced an agreement for UMG to acquire DreamWorks Records.

  353. Keel:
    04/21/2010 at 8:08 pm

    “I have been unable to find anyone who was openly gay and then was signed by a major label AT THE START OF THEIR CAREER.”

    I repeat: Rufus Wainwright. (ETA: That is, of course, if we are restricting the list to Americans.)

    How do we know that Rufus’s record label know his homosexuality when they signed him? We know that Adam’s sexuality became a topic of debate well before RCA signed him.

  354. Dreamworks was a small independent label headed by the officers of Dreamworks pictures: Katzenberg, Spielberg, and Geffen. It was never considered a “major” player in the music scene. It was purchased by UMG in 2003 and then quickly disbanded.

  355. Tess:
    04/21/2010 at 8:47 pm

    Dreamworks was a small independent label headed by the officers of Dreamworks pictures: Katzenberg, Spielberg, and Geffen. It was never considered a “major” player in the music scene. It was purchased by UMG in 2003 and then quickly disbanded.

    Thank you Tess beat me to it. Just because Dreamworks SKG Movie division is a major player does not mean its music division is/was. It wasn’t as Tess has posted above.

  356. Out of curiosity does anyone know what it takes to be considered a major record label?

  357. smeggingnuts:
    04/21/2010 at 8:53 pm

    Out of curiosity does anyone know what it takes to be considered a major record label?

    Money and pull…. ;-)

  358. Out of curiosity does anyone know what it takes to be considered a major record label?

    A very trite answer would be revenue and profits. And I’m sorry that I can’t list all the major players…the big profit labels are not totally static and can change with the passing of time. And many high earning Artists will create their own labels after initial contracts expire, thus watering down the viability of the big name players. And after the artist has reached their prime…these labels are then sold back to one of the big four which includes Sony and Universal.

    Wish the answer could be more black and white…but it’s always a moving target.

  359. Tess love the puppy doggy….How cute… I just noticed your avatar

  360. @IdolsNow BREAKING NEWS: ADAM LAMBERT’s “Whataya Want From Me” breaks into top 10 on Hot 100, rocketing 23-10 for new peak position.

    @IdolsNow BREAKING NEWS: ADAM LAMBERT is also #1 on Billboard’s Hot Singles Sales chart, where “Whataya Want From Me” enters at the top.

    This is FANTASTIC!!! Adam will definitely hit the 1 million mark next week if he hasn’t already.

    Ken Warwick has to be happy with this. lol So now Kris & Adam both have a top 10 hit!!

  361. Rufus Wainwright is more of a proof: don’t come out, US radio won’t support you….and you’ll be struggling here. His singles and albums were successful more outside US. He is not considered ‘mainstream’ in the US, because public doesn’t know about him….

    And Rufus didn’t join a fricking show to get famous.

  362. “I have been unable to find anyone who was openly gay and then was signed by a major label AT THE START OF THEIR CAREER.”

    Well, if we use the definition commonly bandied around here of “openly gay”, wasn’t Adam signed by the label prior to being openly gay? All gay artists are gay their entire lives and many are openly gay in their private lives. Adam also had his first hit on the Hot 100 prior to the RollingStone article. Certainly, Adam’s first radio hit was after he officially came out to the general public.

    I don’t think it matters, but if others are going to have their accomplishments diminished the same criteria should be used for all. Personally, I hate this debate because it almost seems to come down to who was gay enough to hold such-and-such a record and it seems to take away from the accomplishments of others.

    Out of curiosity does anyone know what it takes to be considered a major record label?

    You have to be part of one of the 4 major labels (one of their sub-labels). And by major, I mean major. Last year, here is the amount of the album market each of the big 4 sold:
    UMG: 30.2%
    Sony: 28.58%
    Warner: 20.55%
    EMI: 9.2%

    That left the other labels (including Disney) owning just 11.47% of the market.

  363. And Rufus didn’t join a fricking show to get famous.

    Yeah what the hell is the matter with Kelly, Carrie, David Cook, Daughtry, Clay Aiken, Fantasia, David A., Kris Allen, Adam Lambert, and all the others who went on that show Jeez. Oh wait maybe if the show was around in 1997 he would of too. Hell whats with all the people that drive cross country or take airplane flights. The early settles didn’t use automated transportation to get across the country…..Oh but if it was available I sure they would have….. :lol:

  364. Holy cow. I was just coming in to say congrats to Adam, but now I think I’ll just back out slowly.

    *smallvoice* Congrats! */smallvoice*

  365. #1 BB Hot Dance Chart
    #1 BB Hot Singles Chart
    #10 BB Hot 100

    Oh wow! I didn’t expect it to do this well this week! Let’s hope Adam continues to ride this wave!!

  366. I don’t think it matters, but if others are going to have their accomplishments diminished the same criteria should be used for all. Personally, I hate this debate because it almost seems to come down to who was gay enough to hold such-and-such a record and it seems to take away from the accomplishments of others.

    I agree with you here but in the same token as I said before it shouldn’t be a big deal if Adam is being told he is he shouldn’t be discredited for his accomplishments. He may or may not be the first but he is the most visible at this point and the one who has garnered the most media buss and acceptance. At the start of his career. He also has probably the most support of any major label for an openly gay artist in history heck one of the biggest support by a major label for an artist period. I am not saying whether he deserves it or not just that it is and of course I am happy about it. But regardless I do agree with you Sensei that lets just be happy for all the accomplishments by all of them and if Adam is the first he was because of many others who where before him and broke down other barriers in order for him to be where he is now.

  367. #1 BB Hot Dance Chart
    #1 BB Hot Singles Chart

    Yay! Two more for Idol. I hope chart beat gives us an update. I wish we had a list of the 260+ number 1’s achieved by Idol.

  368. because of many other people who where before him and broke down other barriers in order for him to be where he is now.

    As the quote commonly attributed to Newton goes: If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants.

    (they even paraphrase it on the 2 pound British coin).

    All artists owe a debt of gratitude to those who preceeded them.

  369. #1 BB Hot Singles Chart

    Kirsten what chart is this and how can Adam be #1. Does this mean he was #1 digital sales? I am confused can you explain what this chart is on BB and what are the Criteria for it. Thank you

  370. Thanks for the explination to my major label question everyone :)

    I am glad we have people here that know all this stuff, or know where to find it and know what the heck it means :)

    And Yey for the towering pyramid of musial artists that have made it possible for my favorites :D

  371. Kirsten what chart is this and how can Adam be #1. Does this mean he was #1 digital sales?

    No, it doesn’t mean digital sales since we know it’s not the highest. The Hot Singles chart used to chart the sale of commercial singles (one or more songs bundled together). In the olden days, those used to be those little 45s with an A and B side. They still sell some CD singles with a couple of songs on it.

    Perhaps his EP was classified as a commercial single? EPs are normally classified as albums. Or perhaps they re-purposed that chart.

  372. Kirsten:
    04/21/2010 at 10:12 pm

    Kirsten what chart is this and how can Adam be #1. Does this mean he was #1 digital sales?

    No, it doesn’t mean digital sales since we know it’s not the highest. The Hot Singles chart used to chart the sale of commercial singles (one or more songs bundled together). In the olden days, those used to be those little 45s with an A and B side. They still sell some CD singles with a couple of songs on it.

    Perhaps his EP was classified as a commercial single? Or perhaps they re-purposed that chart.

    Oh this makes so much sense and explains a lot like why the remix EP was not on the Album sales posting. Its because this chart is where it is positioned. Well thats good to know. Last Question how can we get the sales figures for this chart? Or can we? Thank You!!!

    Oh and I have no Idea what you are talking about when you say 45’s and A and B sides…..LOL (oh unfortunately I really do)

  373. Thank you RCA for supporting your artist. White, black, green, blue, straight, gay, or glittered makes no difference to me, the voice is what matters to me!

    Thank you Idol for providing the platform for these kids every year. I love this cheesy show!

    So much love today!

  374. um this is OT but how do you put up a picture for your postings I can;t find any where that lets you upload a pic for profile pic’s

  375. Oh and I have no Idea what you are talking about when you say 45’s and A and B sides…..LOL (oh unfortunately I really do)

    haha dhunken I was just thinking I wish Adam would release a few pressings of FYE on vinyl……

  376. sr4mjc:
    04/21/2010 at 10:20 pm
    Thank you RCA for supporting your artist. White, black, green, blue, straight, gay, or glittered makes no difference to me, the voice is what matters to me!
    Thank you Idol for providing the platform for these kids every year. I love this cheesy show!
    So much love today!

    Well said sr4mjc! I couldn’t agree more. It’s a happy day!

  377. smeggingnuts:
    04/21/2010 at 10:20 pm

    um this is OT but how do you put up a picture for your postings I can;t find any where that lets you upload a pic for profile pic’s

    Oh Damn I forgot how to do this…..Kirsten Help MJ help

  378. I’m so happy for Adam!!!! I can’t believe he did as well as he did this week!!! He has a #1!!!! I don’t care about the other 260 #1s….For today I just care that Adam got one and there is nothing anyone can say that will dimish this for me. :-). I can’t believe he made top 10!!!!!! What a great bounce!!!

    Did I say how happy and excited I am!!!! I don’t even think I will read this thread until tomorrow. I really want to see what his fans had to say!!!! SQUUUEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

  379. um this is OT but how do you put up a picture for your postings I can;t find any where that lets you upload a pic for profile pic’s

    I seem to recall you register the picture at a site called http://en.gravatar.com/. It’s linked via your e-mail or something.

  380. lorismile:
    04/21/2010 at 10:43 pm
    And he’s still at #10 on iTunes!!!!!!!! OMFG!!!!!!!!

    and there is no one within striking distance…he has at least another day maybe…hopefully more :)

  381. Kirsten:
    04/21/2010 at 10:44 pm

    um this is OT but how do you put up a picture for your postings I can;t find any where that lets you upload a pic for profile pic’s

    I seem to recall you register the picture at a site called http://en.gravatar.com/. It’s linked via your e-mail or something.

    Yes this it. You are the best Kirsten….Smeggs Kirsten got the link for you!

  382. smeggingnuts:
    04/21/2010 at 10:53 pm

    well poop it didn’t work

    Refresh your page it did work you got a pic now!

  383. hehehe :D

    haha I guess now we see who is old…1) who knows where my avatar came from and 2) who can name my avatar hahaha

  384. Way to go, Adam and all Idols, great sales news! I’m so happy that I underestimated the number for WWFM!!!
    Just a technicality IMHO, do we really think the powers to be at AI, Sony, Rca, 19 only knew Adam was gay when the RS article or the ABC interview were done? To me those were just formalities. Anyone on the Internet already knew, and he has also said he has been out since he was 18. Obviously they didn’t see it as a major hurdle, considering all the other pros, talent, personality, charisma, looks, showmanship.
    Also, I think the show got a nice little bump (at least in media coverage if not in ratings) by the reporting of Adam’s mentoring before and after, his performance, and his and Elliot’s offering opinions about the contestants. So, kudos all around, I say.

  385. Smegggss that’s great news!!!!! Another day in top 10 would be awesome!!!

  386. because of many other people who where before him and broke down other barriers in order for him to be where he is now.

    Exactly. And for me the celebration of Adam’s accomplishments in this regard, are a celebration of another step toward true equality of opportunity for all. It’s a goal that will never be realized but it is well worth pursuing as the closer we come to it, the stronger we are as a community.

  387. riskylady
    I for the life of me can’t remember where it was but there is an interview when Adam says he filled out a form when he made it to hollywood and they asked his sexuality and he checked homosexual as well as he stated he was flirting very opening with the crew…haha I can totally see him doing that he is such a flirt to everyone

  388. So true, smeggs, I think I remember seeing or hearing that also. So when he says “openly” gay, he really means it – and they knew it, and they signed him. YEAAAAA!
    Btw, love your puppy! Do you have special waterwings for him?

  389. jms:
    04/21/2010 at 11:02 pm

    because of many other people who where before him and broke down other barriers in order for him to be where he is now.

    Exactly. And for me the celebration of Adam’s accomplishments in this regard, are a celebration of another step toward true equality of opportunity for all. It’s a goal that will never be realized but it is well worth pursuing as the closer we come to it, the stronger we are as a community.

    I so agree

    So I am going to be thrilled for his sales numbers of 100K his #1 positions and his continued top 10 showing on itunes. Yippee

  390. Ok, totally belated flailing here, but I just heard the great news!

    OMFG ADAM!!!!!! Woo-hoo!! Billboard Top 10, #1, OMG it’s all so fantastic! He deserves all of this success! Yay!!! :D

  391. Holy Cow! Congratulations Adam on 100k and Top 10! Can’t go through all the posts but I thought I read something about the remixes being #1 on Dance charts? Is this correct? Can someone repost the info?

  392. Oh, and the milestone on Billboard, when I heard that news, I almost cried. That is so fantastic. Wow. So happy for him and all he’s accomplished!

  393. Yes, aa618892 – Remixes put WWFM in #1 position on the dance chart :D

  394. You know, I always forget to add these traits which probably make Adam a good property: Professionalism and work ethic, plus the absence of serious weaknesses such as drug/alcohol issues, messy relationships (hope this never happens). He obviously loves his work, wish we could all be so lucky!

  395. Yes, aa618892 – Remixes put WWFM in #1 position on the dance chart :D

    Thanks and…….SQEEEEEEEEEE!

  396. I truly believe that when people are applauding Adam’s accomplishments and mentioning the “gay” connection that it isn’t praise for “Adam” per se…but praise for the “public” that have finally started opening up their minds and are extending the concept of civil rights to another richly deserving group.

    I like to equate it with Jackie Robinson breaking the baseball color barrier, or Sandra O’Connor becoming the first female supreme court justice. Those achievements, though monumental, was more about the acceptance by the masses than by being the “first”. And Adam, like these others, only gets the noteriety because of all those who opened doors for him, figuratively speaking. I don’t think that the “gay” issue is at the forefront because of Adam’s popularity, I think it is at the forefront because the time is ripe for a change in the public consciousness. So kudos to the music buying public for helping to overcome another hurdle and to prove that Artists should be measured by their talent and not by their ethnicity or the color of their skin or their gender or their sexual preferences.

  397. Tess:
    04/21/2010 at 11:23 pm
    I truly believe that when people are applauding Adam’s accomplishments and mentioning the “gay” connection that it isn’t praise for “Adam” per se…but praise for the “public” that have finally started opening up their minds and are extending the concept of civil rights to another richly deserving group.

    I like to equate it with Jackie Robinson breaking the baseball color barrier, or Sandra O’Connor becoming the first female supreme court justice. Those achievements, though monumental, was more about the acceptance by the masses than by being the “first”. And Adam, like these others, only gets the noteriety because of all those who opened doors for him, figuratively speaking. I don’t think that the “gay” issue is at the forefront because of Adam’s popularity, I think it is at the forefront because the time is ripe for a change in the public consciousness. So kudos to the music buying public for helping to overcome another hurdle and to prove that Artists should be measured by their talent and not by their ethnicity or the color of their skin or their gender or their sexual preferences.

    ITA Well said :)

  398. Reminder:

    1. Posters who bitch about the “negativity” on my site need to go back to their fansites. You can preach to the choir all you want there.

    2. If you persist YOU WILL END UP IN MODERATION.

  399. sr4mjc:

    Looks like Jay Z is close to taking #10

    Looks to me like Jay Z is as close to taking over #10 as WWFM is to Lady A…but it seems a big gap to me…but this is the first day I have seen these popularity bars

  400. Adam didn’t come out after Idol — he was already out. He listed himself as gay on his Facebook page, posted the infamous pictures online, was in The Zodiac Show, was honest on his Idol application and lived his life openly. He talked about it to a reporter for the first time in the Rolling Stone interview.

    With a lot of fan support, a huge boost from American Idol, and hard work from RCA Records and Sony — WWFM got radio airplay and made it to the Top 10 on Billboard. So just maybe the next time a really talented gay singer tries to make it, they will not hear those 3 awful words, “You’re too gay” or “can you be a little less gay”.

    Now we need a gay Country star to break through and get a ton of radio support. Then I will believe we have really made progress.

  401. Want to add my very belated congrats to Adam !!

    Way to go, and looking forward to many more milestones being reached.

    I love being a fan of this talented guy, and can’t wait to see where it all ends…

    Yea, Adam !

  402. can’t wait to see where it all ends…

    It never ends it just might change direction but it will never end :D

  403. Mmm, 92% increase. I guessed 100% but I was pretty close. Oh brother, let’s give everyone who downloads WWFM a medal shall we. :)

    Anyway, it’s nice fo his fans that the song did very well. Nothing compares to a song connecting with an Idol audience except for the post Xmas bounce from all those iTunes gift cards. So I still think LLWD had the biggest week of sales so far from a S8 single. Sorry, couldn’t resist.

    Okay, I’ll bite. What’s the Billboard Hot Singles Chart??? It’s not the same as the Hot 100.

  404. Kristen says its something like a singles cd…..like 45’s used to be. she thinks they either bundeled the ep as such or changed what the BB Hot singles chart..err well charted. I think that is what she said.

  405. dhunken
    because of many other people who where before him and broke down other barriers in order for him to be where he is now.

    jms:
    Exactly. And for me the celebration of Adam’s accomplishments in this regard, are a celebration of another step toward true equality of opportunity for all. It’s a goal that will never be realized but it is well worth pursuing as the closer we come to it, the stronger we are as a community.

    YES YES and YES!! And Adam’s talent and charisma are such that he might be one who can carry this cause further, open more doors, and break down more barriers. Not that I want to put more weight on his shoulders as though this is his duty, but I think it will happen little by little just because of the sheer force of his talent and charisma.

  406. Well, if we use the definition commonly bandied around here of “openly gay”, wasn’t Adam signed by the label prior to being openly gay? All gay artists are gay their entire lives and many are openly gay in their private lives. Adam also had his first hit on the Hot 100 prior to the RollingStone article. Certainly, Adam’s first radio hit was after he officially came out to the general public.

    Kirsten- respectfully, this is bunk.
    As has been repeatedly mentioned he checked the gay box when he first auditioned, Facebook said gay, TPTB had certainly reviewed all his Youtubes, heck Kara even told The View that he had always been out. You cannot not know these facts.
    So to try and hold onto this “didn’t come out until Rolling Stone” idea tells me you blatantly spin it this way for a reason.

    I don’t think it matters, but if others are going to have their accomplishments diminished the same criteria should be used for all. Personally, I hate this debate because it almost seems to come down to who was gay enough to hold such-and-such a record and it seems to take away from the accomplishments of others.

    I do understand what you are trying to say.
    But documenting events truthfully is important. If it wasn’t then history would be meaningless and it is not- future generations need to be able to look back and know the truth. Distorting the facts by denying that he was out well before being signed purely to make everyone feel equal within the struggle is just wrong.

  407. Ok. So he’s currently signed to a major label. But what about SKG? Did he grow his career and progress to a major label (kudos to him if so).

    Or was a major label willing to take a risk on Rufus from the get go? If not, then Adam’s contract is a landmark. And if SKG is a major label, then what the heck took so long for another label to be willing to take that risk with a new artist?

    One might well wonder this, particularly since both his mother *and* his father are music royalty (albeit of a somewhat indie-leaning variety, in the late great Kate’s case, particularly). Talk about having very major connections. Very very major connections. Tons of them.

    But, of course, it’s perfectly possible that he *wanted* to start indie. No way of knowing. Seems a bit suspicious to me, nevertheless, given that, being born into the pop-music industry, RW certainly had to know how many fewer resources an indie label has to push you forward. He is a pretty major talent in numerous ways and his parents are institutions, so it does seem kind of strange to me that a major wouldn’t have been happy to start him out on some boutique sub-label.

  408. YAY! I am still seeing WWFM at #10 on iTunes. This week is going to be another great sales week! So happy for Adam!

  409. Kirsten- respectfully, this is bunk.
    As has been repeatedly mentioned he checked the gay box when he first auditioned, Facebook said gay, TPTB had certainly reviewed all his Youtubes, heck Kara even told The View that he had always been out. You cannot not know these facts.
    So to try and hold onto this “didn’t come out until Rolling Stone” idea tells me you blatantly spin it this way for a reason.

    I’m just using the definition that is used around here. I’d be seriously surprised if every single person who worked with and knew Elton John personally only discovered he was gay the day he publicly he announced it. Same with Liberace and zillions of other gay/bisexual artists who have had hits back in the day. But their achievements are all dismissed because they were not openly gay to the general public until after their careers were already started, according to the definition commonly used around here.

    I’m not saying that Adam wasn’t openly gay in his private life and that his bosses didn’t know he was gay. I’m just saying that if other artists don’t get credit for their achievements until they had a coming out party on the cover of People (or a very public palimony lawsuit or whatever), then that’s what should be used as the common the criteria for everybody including Adam. Look at the cover of EW where they never stated he was gay. Just that he could be. So, he was not publicly openly gay as a famous person until the RollingStone article. By the definition commonly bandied about here.

    If it’s still not clear. My problem is with the common definition of “out” used around here. By the time Adam came out in RollingStone, you’d have to be in a vegetative state not to have known or strongly suspected he was gay (based on all the information that was out there). So, YES, I agree that he was openly gay when he was signed and had his first Hot 100 hit. But at the same time, I think that Elton John, k.d. lang and too many others to list get credit for also having hits before publicly coming out because people knew (or strongly suspected) they were gay and loved their music anyway.

    And I think it’s unfair to dismiss Rufus because “Dreamworks” contract isn’t “major” enough. If we are going to splice hairs so thinly, I feel they must be spliced the same for all. That’s all I’m saying.

  410. I don’t know much about KD Lang’s history, but didn’t Elton John deny he was gay for awhile? Wasn’t he even married to a woman for a short time during the height of his career?

  411. I don’t know much about KD Lang’s history, but didn’t Elton John deny he was gay for awhile? Wasn’t he even married to a woman for a short time during the height of his career?

    Yes. He was married to a woman for several years during the mid-to-late 1980s — the Candle in the Wind era, in other words. The marriage kind of seemed to come out of nowhere, as I recall. After he finally came out, he acknowledged that, yes, he had known that he was gay before he married the woman but had been denying it.

  412. But their achievements are all dismissed because they were not openly gay to the general public until after their careers were already started, according to the definition commonly used around here.

    I’m not in the least dismissing people’s achievements. I’m saying that the biggest achievements of everybody I can think of who eventually came out as gay took place largely when they were publicly denying that they were gay.

    And while that of course doesn’t answer the question whether they could have attained the same level of success if they had been known by all and sundry to be gay, I think it’s pretty undeniable that it at least leaves that question wide open.

    Sir EJ was absolutely publicly denying that he was gay when he married the woman in the 80s. Whether any of his “really close friends” knew that he was gay, I have no idea. But his own statements do suggest that he alone knew it for sure, and that he took steps — including a sudden marriage to a woman — to ensure that others (although that may *not* have included his closest friends and family — I don’t know that we know this) were in the dark. But if his closest friends and family *did* know he was gay — making him “out” by some people’s definitions, anyway — why the heck did he marry the woman? Since he says he himself knew he was gay, he was obviously trying to fool *somebody* by marrying her. Was it the public? Industry people? Who knows? But he has plainly said that she was a beard. We just don’t know to whom she was functioning that way.

    We are clearly entering a quite new era now. When you actually have people around who don’t need to make any announcement because they very openly came out and have acted out and have openly gone to gay bars etc. from the time they were teenagers. That being the case, I’m not sure how we could possibly say that things aren’t different with these people than they have been with people in the past. And that Adam is at least among those who are tackling the mainstream music/entertainment industry, on a major music label, as an openly gay person from the start. That doesn’t necessarily make him a hero. What choice did he have, anyway, given that he’s been openly out to everybody since he was a teenager? But it clearly *does* make him a different phenomenon than most in the past have been. He’s a test case, surely, if nothing else.

  413. Colin Firth, not a disgruntled gay lousy actor who wants to blame his lack of career success on his homosexuality, on huge barriers for gays in the entertainment industry:

    Colin Firth received a best actor Oscar nod for his role as a grieving gay professor in Tom Ford’s ‘A Single Man,’ but he acknowledges that his performance did nothing to help gay actors land the plum roles, gay or straight, in Hollywood.

    Firth told reporters at the movie’s UK premiere that a gay actor coming out in Hollywood faces professional risks that may not be worth taking.

    “There might be risks for a gay actor coming out,” he said. “The politics of that are quite complex, it seems to me.

    “If you’re known as a straight guy, playing a gay role, you get rewarded for that. If you’re a gay man and you want to play a straight role, you don’t get cast — and if a gay man wants to play a gay role now, you don’t get cast.

    “I think it needs to be addressed and I feel complicit in the problem. I don’t mean to be. I think we should all be allowed to play whoever — but I think there are still some invisible boundaries which are still uncrossable.”

    Why would he say this if he wasn’t observing it to be true about the industry? That’s all I’m saying.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/02/colin-firth-im-part-of-ho_n_446497.html

  414. I’m not in the least dismissing people’s achievements. I’m saying that the biggest achievements of everybody I can think of who eventually came out as gay took place largely when they were publicly denying that they were gay.

    Many of them just said some variation of “No comment”. But say what they want, the general public perceived them as gay, so it’s still an accomplishment.

    As has been repeatedly mentioned he checked the gay box when he first auditioned, Facebook said gay, TPTB had certainly reviewed all his Youtubes, heck Kara even told The View that he had always been out. You cannot not know these facts.

    Well, by that criteria, Mario Velasquez was signed as an openly gay artist prior to Adam. He was known to be openly gay on the Idol set (Facebook wasn’t around), Arista (a division of Sony) signed him and his single “Gallery” was a hit on Pop.

    I think that there is no denying that Adam has been a hit and a bit of trailblazer. I think my objection comes from how it sometimes seems from some of the claims that some make that Adam landed on an undiscovered land and hacked his way through the jungle with his bare hands while fighting off rampaging elephants. When what, IMO, is happening is that he’s just taking the next logical step down the path blazed by others before him. The trail still needs a lot of work and he’s definitely helping to pave the way for others that will follow him, but there was a trail there.

  415. WWFM digital download number is 108000 for last week (from BB). The 100k number from Brian was without the remixes.

  416. To me, the difference between “no comment” and “I’m gay and I’m sexual and I think it’s pretty cool” is a big part of why I feel so invested in and happy about celebrating Adam’s WWFM getting to BB’s top 10.

    I hope, and I don’t think, it diminishes the accomplishments of those who came before Adam, to say that the “bit” of trailblazing he has already accomplished – to just happily, beautifully, fully, and matter-of-factly “be” while he goes about the business of his career feels, to me, different and . . . great.

    I’m probably not articulating this well, and I’m not talking about something easily measurable or quantitative – but I think part of the reason why I feel Adam’s success as a victory, a win, a relief, and a balm, is that Adam “wears” his sexuality so well. . . it’s just not seemingly, for him, of all words, that dramatic!

    And, of course, he has those before him to thank (just as, I suppose, I have the suffragettes to thank, though I rarely do) – but I give Adam – and his parents – a lot of credit today, too. A lot good, self-respecting, and even brave choices have been made by them, I believe.

    Are there other American pop-singer/SEX symbols who are gay men? (If so, great – then Adam’s another one.) There’s something special and important to me (important-ish, it’s just pop music, after all, I know) about Adam’s sexuality, seen as a “negative” by so many (unfortunately), being something he absolutely brings to the fore JUST LIKE every other popstar.

    People say, “oh, Adam said he didn’t want it to be about his being gay.” I would say, he wants part of what he does to be about being sexy (JUST LIKE every other popstar) – and he happens to be gay, so when he “brings the sexy” it’s kinda different, but it’s also kinda the same too because, as he put it, “Sexy is sexy.” That’s what he brings to the table that seems new (new-ish) to me.

  417. taking the next logical step down the path blazed by others before him. The trail still needs a lot of work and he’s definitely helping to pave the way for others that will follow him, but there was a trail there.

    An overgrown trail that many found difficult, if not impossible, to follow apparently. Most of that brush is cleared away now and others should feel the freedom to follow Adam.

    WWFM digital download number is 108000 for last week (from BB). The 100k number from Brian was without the remixes.

    THIS is important. Don’t want it getting lost. :)

  418. Judee:
    04/22/2010 at 12:41 pm
    WWFM digital download number is 108000 for last week (from BB). The 100k number from Brian was without the remixes.

    Yay! 108,000 was my predicition.

  419. Judee:
    04/22/2010 at 12:41 pm
    WWFM digital download number is 108000 for last week (from BB). The 100k number from Brian was without the remixes.

    Yay — more good news! Fantastic. That pushes WWFM ever so closer to platinum.

  420. Very well said, bridget, Bravo!

    Not to diminish all the other great comments, and there have been many, just that she really captured it for me. I kept thinking maybe it’s that Adam’s the first OUT out IYKWIM, signed at the start, blah, blah, blah… and then flamboyantly out… but that didn’t really get it either and that word often is used to connote negativity, so that’s not it…. lol Anyway, bridget got it done for me, so Thank You!

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