Idol Headlines for 11/30/09

Ace Young, Allison Fischer, Laura D’Andre, Jesse JP Johnson and Jamison Scott Join GREASE TOUR

The producers of the Tony Award nominated new Broadway production of GREASE are pleased to announced the following new cast members for the national tour: Ace Young as ‘Danny, ‘  Laura D’Andre as ‘Rizzo, ‘  Allison Fischer as ‘Patty Simcox, ‘  Jesse JP Johnson as ‘Doody, ‘  and Jamison Scott as ‘Eugene.’  The new cast members join the tour in Charlotte, NC, where the show plays Ovens Auditorium December 1 ‘ 6.

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Ace Young made his Broadway debut in GREASE in the role of ‘Kenickie’  last fall. An ‘American Idol’  finalist in Season 5 and a Grammy nominated songwriter, Ace has guest-starred on Fox’s ‘Bones, ‘  co-hosted ‘American Idol Extra’  and co-produced his debut album, Ace Young.

Broadway World

Susan Boyle’s debut album tops Britain’s charts

LONDON ‘” In the contest, she finished second. But on the charts, she’s number one.

Susan Boyle’s debut record, “I Dreamed A Dream, ” entered the British album chart in the top spot Sunday. The 48-year-old Scottish songstress famously finished second on “Britain’s Got Talent, ” but the variety show launched a career that has seen her win success on both sides of the Atlantic.

According to the Official Charts Company, which tracks music sales in Britain, the more than 410, 000 copies of “I Dreamed a Dream” sold since its release Nov. 23 make it the fastest selling album so far this year, and are the largest first-week sales for a debut album in U.K. chart history.

Associated Press

Cowell to take ‘X Factor’ to Vegas

When Simon Cowell’s “Amer ican Idol” rival show “X Factor” comes to the US, expect the rallying cry to be “You’re going to . . . Las Vegas.”

Cowell, who is still in talks with Fox and NBC about bringing the talent show to American TV, said over the weekend that his plans are to set up shop in Las Vegas when the deal is finally done.

“Vegas is tailor-made for this show, ” says Sir Philip Green, the retail store-billionaire who is now partners with Cowell.

“To sing in Vegas? I mean, hell, you get to the final 12 [and tell them] ‘Your dream’s come true — you’re going to sing in Vegas!’ ”

NYPost

More Idol Headlines after the JUMP…

MUSIC AT MOHEGAN:

Head to the casino tonight for a pair of free concerts. First up is Sam and Ruby in the Wolf Den. The duo of accomplished artists/songwriters have been performing together for nearly a decade. Their song “Heaven’s My Home, ” (performed by The Duhks) was nominated for a Grammy in 2007. Their show is at 8 p.m. or you can go see some American Idol alumni at the Shops at Mohegan Sun. American Stars in Concert for the Holidays features former contestants Alexis Grace, Gina Glocksen, David Hernandez and Michael Sarver. The group will perform a host of their favorite holiday renditions at 7:30 p.m.

NBC Connecticut

American Idol airplay: Kelly Clarkson’s tops

This week, Kelly Clarkson’s Already Gone retains the top spot on the Hot AC chart, according to Mediabase. The single is also a top-five hit on the Top 40 side, as it tops 15, 000 overall weekly spins. Kelly four tracks in the top 20 of this week’s American Idol airplay chart, as My Grown Up Christmas List reaches its highest spot of the season.

Below the top 20, Christmas airplay has the Idol chart in an upheaval. The chart has 22 holiday entries, and Hot AC stations switching over to a Christmas format for the season means decreased airplay for several older tracks.

USA Today

Allison Iraheta aims to excite with debut album

LOS ANGELES — Allison Iraheta has come a long way since her awkward first interview with Ryan Seacrest.

The spunky 17-year-old singer, who stuttered and stammered when the “American Idol” host prodded her about school at the beginning of the eighth season, went on to win rave reviews from the judges throughout the competition, standing out early on with a rendition of Heart’s “Alone” and leaving a lasting impression with her take on Janis Joplin’s “Cry Baby.”

It wasn’t enough to win; Iraheta placed fourth behind Kris Allen, Adam Lambert and Danny Gokey on the Fox network show. Yet she still snagged a record deal with “Idol” label 19 Recordings and Jive Records. Her album, “Just Like You, ” will be in stores Tuesday. The redhead – who’s added purple and pink streaks to her memorable coif – says her pop-rock collection accents her innate edginess.

SeattlePi.com

Brown won’t sing

ABC had a change of heart over the weekend and will not let R&B singer Chris Brown sing next week on “Good Morning America.”

Instead, Brown has agreed to “come clean” in a primetime interview about what happened the night he beat up former girlfriend Rhianna, according to reports,

The network was bitterly criticized last week after it canceled a performance by flamboyant “Idol” star Adam Lambert on “GMA” — following his raunchy performance on the American Music Awards show — then announced plans for Brown to promote his latest CD with a live show on the program.

NY Post

Adam Lambert Had An Identity Crisis Before Recording For Your Entertainment

While Adam Lambert certainly seems to have a strong sense of who he is and who he wants to be (as evidenced by his controversial performance on the American Music Awards last week), the “American Idol” runner-up admits that when he first sat down to start work on his debut album, For Your Entertainment, he wasn’t sure what he should sound like.

MTV

GaGa Over Lambert

Lambert’s AMA vocal performance was a strained delivery by a very versatile singer. No doubt he was anticipating every carefully over-choreographed move, including that unerotic man-smooch with a keyboardist and the perfunctory onstage reunion of Adam’s face and another guy’s crotch. As a cheerleader for same-sex whoopee, I wish the whole thing had been’ ¦ well, hotter.

But in the ensuing bullshit with ‘ Good Morning America’  ‘” a show that much prefers convicted girlfriend beaters over guy snoggers ‘ Lambert wowed me with his lovely rendition of a ditty that’s not heard nearly enough in the public square. It’s called ‘Fuck You, I’m Not Going to Apologize For Something I Don’t Regret.’  (My colleague, Jeff Prince, wants to hear more of that tune, too). For once, that kind of honesty seemed to have a tangible result ‘ the smelling-salts addicted Parents Television Council shockingly backtracked a bit and said GMA ‘overreacted’  with their cancellation. I don’t recall ever hearing self-appointed guardians of media morality implying that censorship is a bad thing. Maybe the Parents are growing up.

FWWeekly.com

How to Make Sex Boring

Most Americans have never heard of Adam Lambert, much to the disappointment of the singer’s publicists. Earlier this year, he finished as runner-up on American Idol, the TV talent show that has, after eight seasons, long since lost the novelty it had in 2002 when Kelly Clarkson won top honors in the program’s series debut.

In an evident effort to rescue himself from obscurity, Lambert decided last week to turn ABC’s American Music Awards broadcast into a political publicity stunt. While performing the title track from his new album’ ¦well, here’s how MTV.com described it:

Spectator.org

UPDATED!! Adam Lambert in New York ‘ DIRRTTYY vid by TMZ & TMZ guys discussing censoring Adam

I think we all know TMZ by now, this video sticks to their ‘NEWS’ formula’ ¦
I decided to include it at the site as I believe we all need to know all the good and bad vibes that are going on around Adam’ ¦

Mr-l.org

‘Romance’ with fame

Her music, even more than her fashion sense, makes it clear she’s calling her own shots. You can hear her brash personality on ‘The Fame, ‘  her year-old debut (re-released last week with an added 8-song EP as ‘The Fame Monster’ ). It comes off as one woman’s vision, not a piece of pop product produced by consensus.

In this way, ‘The Fame’  is the opposite of Adam Lambert’s new ‘For Your Entertainment, ‘  a made-by-committee mess which employs Pink, Rivers Cuomo, Kara DioGuardi – and Gaga – along with 23 additional producers and writers. If Lambert is going to be a star, he needs to go Gaga by dumping his handlers and insisting on artistic autonomy, as he he did at last week’s American Music Awards when he kissed his male keyboardist and stuffed a male dancer’s face in his crotch. To survive, he’s got to let his sizable ego and, if he’s lucky, sizable acumen take control.

Boston Herald

‘Idol’ winner Kris Allen mistaken for Adam Lambert, who proves he’s got loyal fans

Adam Lambert has some loyal fans – even if they don’t always recognize him.

During an Entertainment Weekly interview series at Hudson Terrace last week, Kris Allen, who won season eight of “American Idol, ” was confused for the controversial runnerup. An audience member jumped up and yelled, “Adam, you were robbed!”

A startled Allen paused before continuing the interview, and the overzealous fan was informed Adam would be making an appearance next month.

NY Daily News

Kris Allen Stumbles With Debut Album Sales

Kris Allen may be an ‘American Idol’  winner, but fans didn’t vote him to No. 1. this week, according to Billboard.

The Season 8 victor’s debut album sold a disappointing 80, 000 in its first week, the weakest debut of any ‘Idol’  winner, landing it at No. 11.

In fact, another ‘Idol’  winner, Carrie Underwood, outsold him with sales of her third album, ‘Play On.’  The album sold 86, 000 copies, pushing it past the half-million mark overall. It was released on November 3.

Access Hollywood

Oh Joy! Megan Joy Releases Debut Single

Megan Joy kind of lost her way on American Idol, but she gave one of my favorite auditions of last season, one that made a lasting impression on me. So regardless of what transpired after that, I always steadfastly insisted that if she were paired with the right material and right producer to bring out the smoky, Feist-y, feline qualities of her jazzy, fron-another-era voice, Megan Joy could be a serious artist.

Yahoo

Carrie Underwood “Plays On”

After winning “American Idol”, Season Four, songstress Carrie Underwood went on to win four Grammys, be named 2009 Academy of Country Music Entertainer of the Year and be crowned the CMA and ACM Female Vocalist of the Year. Carrie’s new album “Play On” was released on November 3rd. Her music appeals across the board to teens hot for Country and great pop ballads as well. The music star also has a Holiday TV Special coming up on Dec. 7th on Fox.

We wanted to catch up with Carrie on her music, her holiday traditions, her superstar musical artist pals and her advice for “Idol” contestants trying to follow in her successful footsteps. Check it out…..

Teen Music

Carrie Underwood: I’m More Than Just Blonde Hair and a Pretty Dress

Carrie Underwood definitely didn’t let us down when she put on quite a sassy, sexy performance of ‘Casanova Cowboy’  at the American Music Awards on Sunday (and showed off her lush legs in a short get-up) — but the country crooner insisted that there is much more to her than what meets the surface.

‘I get to sing from the heart and I don’t feel like I’ve ever really done that before. Its therapeutic , not in a way like ‘me and my best friend had a fight and I write about it.’ Its therapeutic in a way that I’m a private person and one thing people say constantly about me is she doesn’t say much, ‘  Underwood told us.

FOX News

Review: Kelly Clarkson sings out loud, sings out strong at Reno Events Center

Clarkson came on at 9:15 and sang ‘ nearly nonstop’ for an hour before returning to the stage for four strong encores. She was dressed in black jeans and a multi-colored, short-sleeved top for most of the show. She changed into a pink, black and silver sparkly shirt and pulled her hair back into a pony tail for the last two songs. And her two back up singers didn’t go the flashy route either.

Clarkson performed nearly all her hits: ‘Miss Independent, ‘  ‘Breakaway, ‘  ‘Gone, ‘  ‘Walk Away, ‘  ‘Since U Been Gone, ‘  ‘Behind these Hazel Eyes’  and ‘My Life Would Suck Without You.’  Because the decibel level was high to the point of distortion on some of her rock songs, the ballads — most notably ‘Because of You’  — were a little easier on these tender ear drums.

RGJ.com

Archuleta’s typical work day

It certainly varies, and I doubt that David Archuleta is outside now checking out the changing colors on the grapevines around Sonoma County before his concert tonight, but’ ¦.

Idol Chatter did ask Archuleta what a normal concert day was for him.
Here is his response:

‘I usually do interviews in the morning and then check out the place where we are going to perform. But that depends on how long it is to drive from the other (previous) city. (He was in Bakersfield Saturday night).

Press Democrat.com

Archuleta’s mission

David Archuleta is Mormon by faith. And at some point Mormons go on a mission to spread that faith.

So, will Archuleta, who turns 19 next month, ever do that?

Here is his explanation:

‘A Mission? You know, I wasn’t kind of expecting this to happen. I was 16 and it (his music career) started early in a way.

Press Democrat

An Archuleta concert is all about ‘the voice’ 

Concerts have a certain sameness to them ‘ merchandise table, slightly late start, opening act you wish would hurry up, grand entrance of the main act. You know the routine.

Then comes the star of the show and one of two things occur after the obligatory 90 minute performance ‘ you soon forget the act on the way home or you don’t.

Press Democrat.com

Katharine McPhee Makes It A Nutcracker Night

Katharine McPhee heads home to her home on the west coast after a flight from New York City on Saturday (November 28).

The 25-year-old Idol alum waited patiently for her bags with her husband Nick Cokas and let her dogs Larry and Nena stretch their legs after the cross-country flight.

Just Jared

Lloyd Daniels’ X Factor dream ends as he is voted off

Teenager Lloyd Daniels failed to reach the X Factor’s semi-final after the public voted him off the ITV1 show.

The 16-year-old, from Treharris, south Wales, was described as “karaoke” by judge Louis Walsh but mentor Cheryl Cole said he had a bright future.

Daniels, who had performed Take That’s A Million Love Songs and the Elton John classic I’m Still Standing, said: “I have enjoyed every moment.”

Olly Murs, Danyl Johnson, Joe McElderry and Stacey Solomon made the final four.

BBC.co.uk

X Factor bully Danyl Johnson told to leave Stacey Solomon alone

Danyl Johnson has been given a dressing down for bullying Stacey Solomon.

Her dad David, 54, stepped in after hearing drama teacher Danyl had left 20-year-old Stacey in tears with jokes about her sex life and poking fun at her single-mum status.

He had a quiet word with Danyl’s mum Maria Burgess, asking her to tell her son to reign in his behaviour.

Maria then spoke to Danyl and ordered him to stop picking on Stacey.

Mirror.co.uk

Why Simon Cowell’s Americanized ‘X Factor’ Will Fail

Why Simon Cowell’s Americanized ‘X Factor’ Will Fail If you have been blithely buried beneath some rubble, you probably don’t know what X Factor is. I’m sorry. I can’t help atone for any consequent guilt you’re feeling for not knowing about One Of The Most Amazing Spectacles This Increasingly Yellowing Earth Has Ever Experienced…Ever. I can, however, provide a shortcut for you to catch up, by way of some back-alley blather that’s transpiring about Fox’s stab at Americanizing the British talent show. A mogul whose retinas are tattooed with dollar signs, Simon Cowell is the one who basically made another Simon (the one who cobbled the Spice Girls together in 1994) irrelevant. He did this by ripping off the formula for the latter’s worldwide Idol franchise and tweaking it enough to avoid litigation, consequently expelling X Factor through his creative coochie snorcher.

Black Book Mag

Simon Cowell wants Joe McElderry to win the X Factor, according to reports.

At the end of last night’s show – which saw Lloyd Daniels voted off by the public – it was claimed the other judges are being persuaded to give Joe, 18, extra support.

And Cowell told ITV2 spin-off The Xtra Factor he was adamant Cheryl Cole’s remaining act was on his way to secure the winner’s title after making it through to next week’s semi finals.

‘The person we’ve all got to beat right now is Joe, ‘ he said.

However, Cowell’s decision has allegedly angered his own acts – Olly Murs, 25, and Danyl Johnson, 27.

Daily Mail

Carrie Ann Inaba: Dancing Just Five Days After Neck Surgery!

Watch out! Carrie Ann Inaba is back on the dance floor.

The 41-year-old Dancing With the Stars judge may have had surgery on her neck Wednesday, but she tells me she’s already good to go. She went under the knife to treat pressure caused by spinal stenosis, a painful condition in which the space around the spinal cord narrows…

Dizzy Feet was started earlier this year by Inaba, Nigel Lythgoe, Adam Shankman and Katie Holmes to promote dance education for young people.

Also at the event were Channing Tatum, Lance Bass, Jane Kaczmarek, Glee’s Matthew Morrison and stars from So You Think You Can Dance, Dancing With the Stars, the American Ballet Theatre and Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater.

EOnline

Lea Michele Looks Forward to Singing Streisand, Madonna on ‘Glee’

Glee’ star Lea Michele sang in an intimate cabaret show that supported Cyndi Lauper’s organization, ‘True Colors’ and ‘Broadway Impacts, ‘ a group that pushes for gay marriage. The impossibly adorable and sincere singer spoke with PopEater about the event and what’s next for her ‘Glee’ character.

Why did you do this event?
The minute I got asked to do it I jumped on the opportunity because even though I get to sing on ‘Glee’ a lot it’s not as much as if I was doing 8 shows a week on Broadway. I think it’s a fantastic organization and I’m a huge fan of Cyndi Lauper’s.

Popeater.com

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345 Comments

  1. I really don’t wanna to know what that Spectator.org writer’s sex life is like if he thought Adam’s sexually provocative performance was boring. I think the fact that he wrote about it says it wasn’t boring sex. Also Adam is gay… his performance will be gay dude it’s nothing about politics. What an idiot. lmao.

  2. Adam Lambert has some loyal fans – even if they don’t always recognize him.

    During an Entertainment Weekly interview series at Hudson Terrace last week, Kris Allen, who won season eight of “American Idol,” was confused for the controversial runnerup. An audience member jumped up and yelled, “Adam, you were robbed!”

    A startled Allen paused before continuing the interview, and the overzealous fan was informed Adam would be making an appearance next month.

    Ohhhh the depths of stupidity. LOL :)

  3. Can someone update me on Kat McPhee? I saw her perform during the parade and the song almost sounded like a country song. Is she trying to cross over? She is not even close to being on my radar.

  4. well, I thought the AL AMA performance was boring too, and childish in a “I’m gonna shock you” way.

  5. Ohhhh the depths of stupidity. LOL

    OMG that was hilarious. Some people are just morons.

    Can someone update me on Kat McPhee? I saw her perform during the parade and the song almost sounded like a country song. Is she trying to cross over? She is not even close to being on my radar.

    That song just plain sucked. Just like her previous cd. Hence the fact that Kat is off of most people’s radar.

    Good for Ace, landing the lead in the Broadway tour. The entertainment business is a tough gig – always nice to get a steady paycheck for a while.

  6. Vegas for X-Factor? I’m not really keen on that. It’s too much of a gimmick.

    “If Lambert is going to be a star, he needs to go Gaga by dumping his handlers and insisting on artistic autonomy,” except Lambert has no creative depth unlike Gaga or even Kris. As I said before, just compare Kara’s demo of NoBo with his. It’s a carbon copy.

  7. Here is a touching article about a little girl named Kayla who has congenital myotonic dystrophy and how she got to meet her favorite American Idol, David Archuleta…

    Tonight was a night that we will never forget. Kayla was invited to go backstage and meet her all-time favorite American Idol, David Archuleta, tonight. This wonderful woman, Monica, heard that Kayla loves David Archuleta and she wrote to me and offered to try and have Kayla meet him at his concert in Santa Rosa, California. The show was really great and Kayla had a blast. After the show, we went backstage and David came over to meet us. Kayla was a little shy but after we left the concert, she kept giggling and saying and signing “David”. This was a once in a lifetime experience for her.

    Monica, thank you so much for reaching out to me and setting up this meeting. Kayla has been through so much in her short little life and this will be an experience that will be with her forever.

    David, you are such an inspiration! You have the voice and spirit of an angel. You have no idea how much this meant to our family but especially to Kayla. She wakes up every morning and signs and says your name until I turn on my iPod and play your music. She’s your #1 fan! THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart!

    CureForKayla.com (photos at the link)

  8. Ace as Danny…now that should be fun and his wife as Patty. I wonder if they will evolve into the next Broadway team. Tour together, stay together.

    Actually, I think it is great. And I hope we get some videos down the road. I think Ace is damn cute (love the new haircut) and hope they both break a leg (and that is a very good term for those that don’t follow American idioms.

  9. Someone needs to give me a free ticket to see Ace Young in Grease. Lord knows I ain’t paying for that mess. But I still wanna see it. LOL

  10. ‘If Lambert is going to be a star, he needs to go Gaga by dumping his handlers and insisting on artistic autonomy,’  except Lambert has no creative depth unlike Gaga or even Kris. As I said before, just compare Kara’s demo of NoBo with his. It’s a carbon copy.

    That’s such a small thing to measure his creative depth, it’s like saying the same thing about LLWD being a carbon copy of The Script’s version. Right? Considering Adam probably only had a week to learn the song, there was no time to flesh out a song, how creative can you be in such time constraints?

  11. druzilla
    11/30/2009 at 10:23 am

    Vegas for X-Factor? I’m not really keen on that. It’s too much of a gimmick.

    ‘If Lambert is going to be a star, he needs to go Gaga by dumping his handlers and insisting on artistic autonomy,’  except Lambert has no creative depth unlike Gaga or even Kris. As I said before, just compare Kara’s demo of NoBo with his. It’s a carbon copy.

    I don’t agree with your opinion. Funny I always thought that Kara’s version was closer to Kris’s but was actually a mix of the two. And one could argue that Kris was not capable of singing the song the way it was intended. I prefer Adam’s version, Kris’s is nice and Kara’s is my least favorite. We are in opposite corners when it comes to the creative Depth but that is really subjective anyway and I guess is right for how we both perceive it.

  12. Vegas for X-Factor? I’m not really keen on that. It’s too much of a gimmick.

    ‘If Lambert is going to be a star, he needs to go Gaga by dumping his handlers and insisting on artistic autonomy,’  except Lambert has no creative depth unlike Gaga or even Kris. As I said before, just compare Kara’s demo of NoBo with his. It’s a carbon copy.

    No creative depth huh? Remember… Artistry? What do you think Adam did on AI changing up tunes like Believe, TOMT or BTBW etc. Adam has also contributed creatively to his album and it shows because it reflects what Adam wanted glam, rock, pop.

    As for NoBo … a carbon copy? Kara’s range of voice is kind of within Adam’s no need to change as much but there are differences in interpretation, range etc. Kris is not that good of a singer compared to Kara and Adam and had to adapt the song to fit his so called range. How that relates to Kris creative depth … is ??

    edit: dial back the defensiveness

  13. SpencerJ Thanks for McPhee update. I didn’t even know that she recorded again.

  14. If Simon brings the X factor to Vegas it’s gonna remind me too much of that horrible hot mess called America’s Got Talent. Ugh!

    Okay, the guy on TMZ talking about Adam, his name is Harvey I think, why is he wearing a dirty shirt? He looks like he just crawled out from under a car!

    I had already seen the TMZ thingie I just mentioned, but I didn’t read any of the new articles about Adam. I’m pretty much done reading about him. I don’t really care what others think of him or his talent. I just want to see his face and hear him sing. He does it for me.

  15. Vegas? Really Simon?!?! This does not make me excited for the X-Factor here. I understand Vegas has all the big splashy shows like Bette Midler and other ESTABLISHED artists, but why would you want a new artist starting out to be stained with the label of a Vegas act?

  16. What in the world has Kat McPhee done to herself? She looks like hell in those photos.

  17. Here is the extended Sirius radio interview with Adam. There are many parts that were edited when it was posted earlier and this is even more in depth and funny. Great interview!
    http://www.sendspace.com/file/w63nn2

    I heard the early portions of the sirius interview – it was awesome! That guy was great interviewing Adam. In fact, there were so many priceless interviews last week. The VH1 Best Week Ever one may have been the best – I think she almost upstaged Adam there, and had him cracking up the whole time – loved it!

  18. GMA has cancelled the Chris Brown appearance.

    Yikes. GMA is not having a good run right now.

    They are such wusses. LMAO.

    What in the world has Kat McPhee done to herself? She looks like hell in those photos.

    She looks like she got stranded on a desert island with no food and 10,000 bottles of peroxide.

  19. GMA has cancelled the Chris Brown appearance.

    Wow. It didn’t make much sense for them to cancel Adam’s appearance and to turn around and book him.

    Here is another article about the Chris Brown GMA cancellation.

    http://www.411mania.com/music/news/123218/Chris-Brown%5C%5Cs-%5C%5CGood-Morning-America%5C%5C-Performance-Canceled.htm

    Chris Brown’s “Good Morning America” Performance Canceled
    Posted by Mitch Michaels on 11.30.2009

    But “20/20” interview will still air…

    After airing Rihanna’s side of the story, ABC will feature a Chris Brown interview on “20/20” and “Good Morning America” next week on December 11th, just in time to promote his new album Graffiti. Brown is claiming to “come clean” about the infamous night with Rihanna in the “20/20” sit-down.

    However, GMA will no longer be airing a live Chris Brown performance. This comes after the show canceled an appearance by Adam Lambert following his controversial AMA appearance.

  20. That interview was gold!!!!
    I really loved the talk about Broken Open and about the Burning Man, because we haven’t heard much about it from Adam. And the end was marvelous.

    p.s. Do we really have to discuss whether Adam is lacking artistry again? Considering that LLWD is a carbon copy of Script and that Adam only had one week to learn the song (besides 2 other songs and other stuff).

  21. ‘If Lambert is going to be a star, he needs to go Gaga by dumping his handlers and insisting on artistic autonomy,’  except Lambert has no creative depth unlike Gaga or even Kris.

    My opinion is different than yours concerning “creative depth”. Kris’ first single was a carbon copy of The Script version. In fact, he sang the words to a backing track and released it as a single.

    I’ve seen Kris sing LLWD on several shows and the song isn’t evolving.

    Adam interpreted and sang WWFM in two different ways on the two shows last week. (less than 24 hours apart)

    I also enjoyed watching how Adam’s songs on the tour evolved. He changed things up vocally and performance wise. I loved to watch the videos because no two nights were ever the same.

  22. uh, Adam doesn’t write music or write songs. Oh wait, yes he did…”Pop Goes the Camera”…LOL

  23. I saw the play and thought it was fun to watch.Now with Ace Young and Taylor both in “Greese” now. Why not sooner that would been even more of nice bonus to see. Some where PJ is a smiling…

    Sassycat-(name right?)Thank-you …

  24. tinydance
    11/30/2009 at 11:43 am
    uh, Adam doesn’t write music or write songs. Oh wait, yes he did’ ¦’ Pop Goes the Camera’ ’ ¦LOL

    uh, Adam co-wrote four songs on his album.
    uh, Kris didn’t write LLWD.
    uh, Allison didn’t write FIBOY.

  25. tinydance- Adam wrote and co-wrote on 4 of his songs on his album. He wrote “Broken Open” which has been highly praised on most reviews. I love “Pop Goes the Camera” and “Crawl Thru Fire” that he wrote with Monte Pittman. Greg Wells also said he was a gifted songwriter.

  26. uh, he co-wrote four songs on his album.

    A measly four? He should take writing lessons. I love Megan’s new Incomplete.

  27. thanks ozarka for that touching story… the pictures in kayla’s mom’s blog of her w/him backstage are heartwarming…

  28. Will the rest of Michael Slezak’s interview with Adam be up sometime today? I thought he said Monday.

  29. Who listened to FYE all weekend? I only received it on Friday, so I removed all my CDs and put in FYE. It was playing (in my study), and my husband came in and started listening to it. After that first listen, he plays it all the time. He has a new favorite: Soaked. Prior to that he only heard a few, and he liked FYE and TfM after seeing the movie 2012. BTW, after three weeks, 2012 made $595 million. Not bad for a big flop.

    I asked my husband why he liked the album FYE. He said because Adam has the best vocals of any guy he’s heard in a long, long time. He said that’s why his faves are Soaked and TfM.

  30. GaGaGlambert??? Are you here???
    I watched the GaGa live “Fever” in NYC you posted and it is FIERCE!!!!!!

    (It’s in yesterdays headlines thread for anyone who’s interested)

    Ooooh, they’d be amazing together!

    And Tinydance- you’re sooo right, Adam has never written anything or creatively contributed to his music in any way. Really, such a boring, talentless guy. See, I guess that’s why I love him, out of pity, I’m sentimental that way, lol!!!

  31. I love PGTC and CTF and KIss and Tell. Does anyone know if Adam and Monte wrote “Nocturnal by the Moon” and “Beyond the Sky”? I love those but haven’t been able to find out much about the songs.

  32. Anyone hear the insurance policy satire that Adam is tweeting about?- That Lloyd’s of London is insuring his crotch for 1 million.

    I nearly fell off my chair, so hilarious and had to check for a minute because I wouldn’t be surprised if it becomes the truth! LOL!

  33. Who listened to FYE all weekend?

    All week! Officially my favorite CD of all time. My favorite songs from it change day to day. Got my daughters hooked on Adam too.

  34. That Lloyd’s spoof is hilarious! “overshooting his thrust”! ROFLMAO! Gotta protect the Glambulge, Adam!

  35. A measly four? He should take writing lessons. I love Megan’s new Incomplete.

    Perhaps.. but IMO he isn’t the only one that needs a few writing lessons.

  36. Awww …

    adamlambert: Oh and please go get both Allison iraheta’s and Kris Allen’s videos and albums on iTunes! So proud of you both!
    less than a minute ago from Echofon

  37. OMG that protecting the family jewels article is hilarious .

    I wonder if the writer viewed the 38 second video.

  38. Hey in that sirrius interview linked upthread he talks about Broken Open (one of the songs he wrote) and they read out the lyrics… Man that song is powerful

  39. Great to hear good things about Kelly. I can’t believe I missed her concert, especially since it was only a mile from my house. Maybe next time. I forgot how good she is…until the recent wave of TV appearance (or maybe I’ve just noticed them). I’d like to see more of Cook. He sounds so much better live. They need to get him booked.

    ETA: broken open is fabulous. You can just hear the heartbreak in his description. The Sirius interview is great and surprisingly long.

  40. Adam interpreted and sang WWFM in two different ways on the two shows last week. (less than 24 hours apart)

    I also enjoyed watching how Adam’s songs on the tour evolved. He changed things up vocally and performance wise. I loved to watch the videos because no two nights were ever the same.

    ITA – watching him on tour is going to be incredible, for that reason alone. He is an amazing live performer, gives it his all, and does it differently each time, in a good way. He feels the music very personally when he performs. I’ve been absolutely loving the WWFM performances. That look on his face when he says “I’m a freak” – it’s like heart breaking, bittersweet, sad, and joking all at once – aww, love it!

  41. druzilla
    except Lambert has no creative depth unlike Gaga or even Kris. As I said before, just compare Kara’s demo of NoBo with his. It’s a carbon copy.

    Er, Kris’s single IS a carbon copy of the Script’s version .

  42. OMG-

    I think Adam’s a little shaken from the AMA incident- he just tweeted this:
    adamlambert ellen:airing 2m.Singing ‘whatya want from me’! AMA performance was a one time event. Goin in a new direction now. Focus back on the music.
    3 minutes ago from Echofon

    I don’t know whether to be happy or sad…

  43. Awww ‘ ¦

    adamlambert: Oh and please go get both Allison iraheta’s and Kris Allen’s videos and albums on iTunes! So proud of you both!
    less than a minute ago from Echofon

    Awwwww Adam has been extremely supportive of his friends.

    Did you see what Allison tweeted after the AMAs? (so sweet) I was also impressed with the support from Anoop and Michael.They may not have LOVED Adam’s performance-but it is nice when they still support him. That’s what friends do.

  44. Hey in that sirrius interview linked upthread he talks about Broken Open (one of the songs he wrote) and they read out the lyrics’ ¦ Man that song is powerful

    I love Broken Open – one of my favorites from the album!

  45. Hey in that sirrius interview linked upthread he talks about Broken Open (one of the songs he wrote) and they read out the lyrics’ ¦ Man that song is powerful

    hmmmm

    Maybe he won’t be needing those writing lessons…

  46. I don’t know whether to be happy or sad’ ¦

    I wanted to see FYE again! Too bad. OK so he will only do one song then? Was hoping for maybe a second song like broken open or soaked…

  47. OMG-

    I think Adam’s a little shaken from the AMA incident- he just tweeted this:
    adamlambert ellen:airing 2m.Singing ‘whatya want from me’! AMA performance was a one time event. Goin in a new direction now. Focus back on the music.
    3 minutes ago from Echofon

    I don’t know whether to be happy or sad’ ¦

    Yeah, I tweeted back that we love the music and a little scandal every now and then, and that he just needs to be true to himself above all else.

    I’m thinking his PR folks decided to make it more about the music for now so that he starts building some longer term cred to keep selling going forward.

    But, knowing Adam, I seriously doubt he will give up on making headlines, stirring up some controversy, etc. And I think his PR team wouldn’t mind a little controversy from him – but now he’s had enough controversy to fill at least a few weeks, so for now it’s just about the music :-)

  48. adamlambert ellen:airing 2m.Singing ‘whatya want from me’! AMA performance was a one time event. Goin in a new direction now. Focus back on the music.

    Hmmmm, interesting message.

  49. adamlambert ellen:airing 2m.Singing ‘whatya want from me’! AMA performance was a one time event. Goin in a new direction now. Focus back on the music.
    3 minutes ago from Echofon

    Hmmm…..guess RCA has pulled the plug on it. A lot of $$$ wasted on the video then. Looks like they’re withdrawing the temptation for Adam to improvise his performances on that song. I’m thrilled that we won’t have to see that again on television. So we obviously won’t be seeing it on New Year’s Eve then. Good.

  50. an article in the press democrat about david’s show last night in santa rosa…

    November 30th, 2009 08:57am
    Not quite ready for Archuleta’s fanatics
    by pinella

    This scene should have been expected but I must admit there was some shock to it. If you have ever been to the beach and witnessed a bunch of sandpipers walking near the water and then seen how they scurry off in a pack when someone approaches ‘ ¦ well, you kinda get the picture.

    The opening act ‘“ Benton Paul ‘“ for David Archuleta had finished and he was out in the lobby signing autographs for a line of fans that had snaked its way around for about 250 feet. That line was composed almost entirely of teenaged females.

    At about 7:55 p.m. the lobby lights flickered a couple of times indicating that the main event would commence shortly. Well, the sandpipers took off. They were orderly, but my oh my did they scurry.

    During Archuleta’s performance the screeching was deafening at times. I was around when the Beatles emerged on the scene, but I only saw that love-fest on television, never in person. Of course, those Beatle throngs were much larger than Sunday night when about 3,000 Archie fans showed up. But I doubt that the Beatles’ followers were any more passionate.

    The crowd was an interesting demographic ‘“ 95 percent teens; 5 percent boomer. Not much of anything in-between and very little diversity.

    Maybe the most interesting scene was while Archuleta was in full jumping about on-stage mode, there was a gray-haired gentleman standing in the midst of a pack of teenagers rocking away to ‘Crush.’ 

    Good for him. :)

    http://idol.blogs.pressdemocrat.com/10623/not-quite-ready-for-archuletas-fanatics/

  51. Hmmm’ ¦..guess RCA has pulled the plug on it. A lot of $$$ wasted on the video then.

    There’s an international rollout coming in February or thereabouts. The video — and the song — will be just fine for that, I’m thinking…. This is purely an American brou-ha-ha, I would guess.

  52. If I go the rest of my life never hearing a song from Grease again, I’ll be fine with it. :) I don’t hate any of it really, but I’ve heard the songs way too many times in my life and come across the movie way too many times on tv. For some reason it all just grates my nerves now.

    Great review for David A’s show last night in Santa Rosa! Glad to see his voice seems to be holding up well. Performing those songs so many nights a week can’t be easy.

  53. So we obviously won’t be seeing it on New Year’s Eve then. Good.

    Hmm, I wouldn’t necessarily bet on that. He MAY not do it, and if WWFM is huge by then, I guess he probably would perform that for New Years, but, IDK – the guy’s gonna mix it up from one moment to another, shock, then pull it back, etc. NYE sounds like a perfect place for him to get at least a little bit of his freak on again (though he has to do something different from the AMAs of course).

  54. Awwwww Adam has been extremely supportive of his friends.

    Did you see what Allison tweeted after the AMAs? (so sweet) I was also impressed with the support from Anoop and Michael.They may not have LOVED Adam’s performance-but it is nice when they still support him. That’s what friends do.

    Anoop better support Adam after staying in his house when he moved to LA (j/k). I wonder if Megan is still staying at Adam’s?

  55. So we obviously won’t be seeing it on New Year’s Eve then. Good.

    I could be 100% wrong but I really wonder if Adam will be on ABC’s
    New Year’s Eve show. The show is produced by the same people as the AMA. Maybe he’ll be on the Fox show (if they’re doing one this New year.)

  56. The crowd was an interesting demographic ‘“ 95 percent teens; 5 percent boomer. Not much of anything in-between and very little diversity.

    Maybe so at this concert, but Archie followers and reviews of some of his prior appearances suggest that he has a rather diverse fanbase — from preteens to seniors, male and female, religious and not….

  57. GaGaGlambert??? Are you here???
    I watched the GaGa live ‘Fever’  in NYC you posted and it is FIERCE!!!!!!
    (It’s in yesterdays headlines thread for anyone who’s interested)
    Ooooh, they’d be amazing together!

    mr, glad you like it as much as I do. Sorry, but I was away dealing with real life for a few minutes…Here’s the link
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZjm-cmsE94&feature=related.

  58. The crowd was an interesting demographic ‘“ 95 percent teens; 5 percent boomer. Not much of anything in-between and very little diversity.

    Maybe the most interesting scene was while Archuleta was in full jumping about on-stage mode, there was a gray-haired gentleman standing in the midst of a pack of teenagers rocking away to ‘Crush.’ 

    Good for him.

    Its good that David A is having success, but it kinda worries me that he is so loved by the teens. Teens spend money which is good. The tough thing is what happens in 2 years when he is ready to branch into the adult market. I worry about this with Allison and how she’ll be marketed and to which audience.

  59. So we obviously won’t be seeing it on New Year’s Eve then. Good.

    Hmm, I wouldn’t necessarily bet on that. He MAY not do it, and if WWFM is huge by then, I guess he probably would perform that for New Years, but, IDK ‘“ the guy’s gonna mix it up from one moment to another, shock, then pull it back, etc. NYE sounds like a perfect place for him to get at least a little bit of his freak on again (though he has to do something different from the AMAs of course).

    He says it’s a one time thing and I believe him. If he’s on the ABC show he definitely won’t be performing it. I would bet my last $ on that. M’thinks there have been a lot of ‘discussions’ about that performance and some concessions have been made.

  60. I would imagine Adam’s tweet had something to do with the reaction to the ABC release that MJ has now posted.

  61. There’s an international rollout coming in February or thereabouts. The video ‘” and the song ‘” will be just fine for that, I’m thinking’ ¦. This is purely an American brou-ha-ha, I would guess.

    I hope you are right. I didn’t like the AMA version but I did like the video and would like to buy it on iTunes if it becomes available. And the “American brou-ha-ha” might make the European market more interested in checking it out. And if I’m not mistaken songs with that kind of beat are more popular there anyway so could be a club hit.

  62. this is the capstone of the whole review for me houstonrufus… sums up why i’m still here almost 2 years later, and plan to be david’s fan for a long time to come… :)

    You don’t forget David Archuleta.

    Why?

    Pretty simple ‘“ his voice.

    Although as one of the judges on American Idol proclaimed two seasons ago when Archuleta finished second ‘“ ‘David, you could sing the phone book’  ‘“ his 90-minute, one encore show Sunday night at the Wells Fargo Center was anything but songs from the Yellow Pages.

    Dubbed David Archuleta’s ‘Christmas from the Heart’  tour, it was really a combination of about half pretty pure pop Archuleta and half Christmas.

    The venue wasn’t full, but it was close; the crowd wasn’t all screaming teenage girls, but it was close; and the songs weren’t all perfect, but they were close.

    If you came just to hear for yourself if what you were hearing on Idol was real, well you found out ‘“ yes, and moreso.

    At time, it was hard to fathom that you were listening to an 18-year old kid from Utah because the voice is something most singers take years to cultivate. And although he has been at this singing gig for much of his young life, the voice is still natural. They just don’t teach what Archuleta projects.

    http://idol.blogs.pressdemocrat.com/10612/an-archuleta-concert-is-all-about-the-voice/

  63. Maybe they did the calculations and altho Adam got a lot of publicity, they saw the numbers, and his album sales went way down after the AMA performance.

  64. A lot of $$$ wasted on the video then.

    Disagree. The video can be used internationally, and can still be used to support the album itself — the video looks great and enhances the song IMO.

  65. Maybe so at this concert, but Archie followers and reviews of some of his prior appearances suggest that he has a rather diverse fanbase ‘” from teens to seniors, male and female, religious and not’ ¦.

    Well, good for Archie if he is pulling in the teens. Not to say older fans aren’t good too – but when you capture fans in their teens, it tends to help with career longevity (if they stay loyal that is).

    LOL at Adam addressing the insurance rumor – that one was pretty hilarious.

    I really don’t think that ABC will cancel Adam’s New Year’s Eve appearance. They proved their point with the GMA cancellation. There’s really nothing to be gained by banning him completely from the network.

    That Sirius interview really is a good one. My husband went on Sirius online on Saturday to update the subscription for his little Stiletto thingy. He rarely uses it, so he had never added the XM package. But he desperately needed to do that, so he could listen to the Gator game while we were physically at the USF/UM game. I wondered what was taking him so long, and when I went to go see, he was completely engrossed in the Adam interview LOL. I guess it was on the front page. He’s a total fan-boy-tard :)

  66. I thought it was cool when whoever was asking the TMZ guys questions about Adam… One guy said Adam’s 15 minutes of fame is not over because he really has a good voice, and that he is not just a flash in the pan. He said he’ll be around for awhile.

  67. I would imagine Adam’s tweet had something to do with the reaction to the ABC release that MJ has now posted.

    Yeah, I think he got in a lot more trouble than anyone realized. ABC is pissed.

    He got a good publicity run out of it though. But I think his handlers are gonna have him tone it down for a minute. Hence the “getting back to the music” tweets.

    I bet ABC is going to have him sign the momma of all contracts for that Dick Clark gig.

  68. BestAI
    11/30/2009 at 12:48 pm
    Maybe they did the calculations and altho Adam got a lot of publicity, they saw the numbers, and his album sales went way down after the AMA performance.

    What?

  69. At time, it was hard to fathom that you were listening to an 18-year old kid from Utah because the voice is something most singers take years to cultivate. And although he has been at this singing gig for much of his young life, the voice is still natural. They just don’t teach what Archuleta projects.

    Yeah, ggdoorsfan! The reviewer forgot to mention David A’s sincerity (so appealing) and heartfelt passion for his music. No, you cannot teach that stuff.

  70. Maybe they did the calculations and altho Adam got a lot of publicity, they saw the numbers, and his album sales went way down after the AMA performance.

    Kind of seems unlikely, since sales of the FYE single clearly went *up* considerably after the performance ….

  71. A lot of $$$ wasted on the video then.

    Disagree. The video can be used internationally, and can still be used to support the album itself ‘” the video looks great and enhances the song IMO.

    Also noteworthy – on the international versions of Adam’s album, “For Your Entertainment” is on the sticker, and not “Whataya Want From Me.”

    It was this way before the AMAs. Maybe FYE was always meant more for international play.

  72. Yeah, I think he got in a lot more trouble than anyone realized. ABC is pissed.

    Nah… I think they are mostly covering their a$$. If they have issues with performances of many artists, then yes, a contract would be smart. They probably should have done this a long time ago.

  73. Maybe they did the calculations and altho Adam got a lot of publicity, they saw the numbers, and his album sales went way down after the AMA performance.

    Kind of seems unlikely, since sales of the FYE single clearly went *up* considerably after the performance ‘ ¦.

    Maybe his album sales didn’t go up after the pre-orders were calculated into the first week totals.

  74. Maybe his album sales didn’t go up after the pre-orders were calculated into the first week totals.

    I sincerely doubt that is the case. In any event, Adam’s tweets are depressing me.

  75. I’m thinking his PR folks decided to make it more about the music for now so that he starts building some longer term cred to keep selling going forward.

    Yep. I’m guessing he and his label want to put “[the people’s] focus back on the music.” A little controversy is not a bad thing but if it drags on too long, it becomes a distraction. Plus, he’s probably sick of answering the same questions over and over.

    I could be 100% wrong but I really wonder if Adam will be on ABC’s New Year’s Eve show. The show is produced by the same people as the AMA.

    I think you are 100% wrong. They want ratings ….

  76. LambritsUK Adam Lambert on the cover of Malaysian magazine Galaxie http://pic.im/eSS half a minute ago from web

    Adam sharing a headline with Tokio Hotel, that should make him happy.

  77. Ace as Danny’ ¦now that should be fun and his wife as Patty. I wonder if they will evolve into the next Broadway team. Tour together, stay together.

    Actually, I think it is great. And I hope we get some videos down the road. I think Ace is damn cute (love the new haircut) and hope they both break a leg (and that is a very good term for those that don’t follow American idioms.

    Tess, a little correction: to my knowledge, Allison is not yet Ace’s wife. His Highrollers are not aware that they are already married. Ace said in an interview a while back that they will marry in her home town in New Jersey when it’s warm, which I am taking to be summer.:-). And as far as “Grease,” I think it’s cool, indeed, that they are together, and that Taylor will still be the teen angel as well. Wish them the best with the tour.

  78. I interpreted that Adam just meant that he wouldn’t use shock performances to promote his music, not that he is not going to sing FYE anymore.

    If anything, he could go and sing it without crotch grabs and kisses etc, showing that he is amazing without all that stuff.

    Also, I don’t see any reason to diss Adam, because he wrote on “only” 4 songs. It’s more that I can say about some other idols and considering the timeframe, he did a good job, b/c Strut, Broken Open, Pick U Up and Aftermath are at the top of my favorites.

    I’m excited, b/c I can’t wait Adam’s second album, where he will have more time and I’m sure he will write on much more songs.

  79. I hope Adam’s tweet isn’t in response to the album numbers coming in lower than projected.

  80. Maybe they did the calculations and altho Adam got a lot of publicity, they saw the numbers, and his album sales went way down after the AMA performance.

    Once again, there is no way to know this, one way or the other. The album premiered an hour after the AMAs finished. There is no way to tell how many people ordered because of it or cancelled because of it or changed their mind in any way because of it. It would be impossible! Now if it had been for sale for a few days and then suddenly spiked or dropped, right after the performance, that would be telling. But, that was not the siutation.

  81. Nah’ ¦ I think they are mostly covering their a$$. If they have issues with performances of many artists, then yes, a contract would be smart. They probably should have done this a long time ago.

    They are DEFINITELY covering their asses. LOL. I’m thinking the lawyers have taken over on this one. And you are correct, they should have done this kind of thing years ago IMO.

    But I do think Adam might have had some be having the scenes fallout on this, because he went so far off script and spooked the bigwigs. I’m thinking the lawyers are terrified of what could have happened, and any FCC fines they might have gotten had, say, that flipping the bird thing had been caught on camera. Heh. Live TV baby, gotta love it.

  82. Its good that David A is having success, but it kinda worries me that he is so loved by the teens. Teens spend money which is good. The tough thing is what happens in 2 years when he is ready to branch into the adult market. I worry about this with Allison and how she’ll be marketed and to which audience.

    no worries – david has always had a large fanbase comprised of adults, and older adults who turn out in droves to see him in concert and support him. what was used as an early criticism of his music only appealing to ”older people” is actually quite a plus for him… his audiences are usually pretty mixed w/teens and young adults and older adults all there to enjoy and help raise the roof for him, hahaha… his base does have quite a pleasing amount of diversity as well, regarding age, race, nationalities in the us and abroad. there were fans who flew in from the uk and singapore for these last few shows, so his appeal to young and older fans shows no sign yet of abating – though i’m sure at some point we will begin to see some shifts… the teens naturally get center stage and the spotlight in a lot of reporting and reviews for his shows – this is as it should be… they’re getting their groove on, and the adults are as well, hahahah…

    my hope is that these teens will see fit to grow right along with him as he matures artistically… some will, some won’t, but i think david has what it takes to bring a good deal of the younger fans right along with him, because he has substance and depth that many young stars lack…

  83. I’m thinking the lawyers are terrified of what could have happened, and any FCC fines they might have gotten had, say, that filliping the bird thing had been caught on camera. Heh. Live TV baby, gotta love it.

    Luckily CBS’ lawyers weren’t terrified of Adam.

  84. There’s an international rollout coming in February or thereabouts. The video ‘” and the song ‘” will be just fine for that, I’m thinking’ ¦. This is purely an American brou-ha-ha, I would guess.

    He better hope that they use the FYE video to promote him overseas, because he has recoup the cost of making it. That’s why you generally don’t make videos for singles you are not going to promote. That’s bad business.

  85. I don’t know what to make of Adam’s latest string of tweets. A little sad. I think it was a long week for him. He is back in LA, maybe Simon Fuller called him into his office, lol.

  86. Luckily CBS’ lawyers weren’t terrified of Adam.

    I think CBS ratings guys won that fight. Ha!

    Seriously, 9 times out of 10 when big corporations get crazy cautious with what seems to be minimal provocation, its the lawyers. Turns all the bigwigs into wusses.

  87. Adam has not only pissed off ABC, but the Mouse. ABC might’ve caved- pre-Disney days, but now? Heh. You don’t want to mess with Disney lawyers. They are ruthless. They go after pre-schools for copy-right infringement of Winnie the Poo and Mickey — for having painted the walls sans permission. Had Adam stuck to the risque choreography that had already been mapped out, I doubt there would have been this controversy.

  88. He better hope that they use the FYE video to promote him overseas, because he has recoup the cost of making it. That’s why you generally don’t make videos for singles you are not going to promote. That’s bad business.

    He is selling very well, for all we know. If anyone has to be worrying with recovering costs, its not Adam. The video is gorgeous and the world is very, very big.

  89. Kind of seems unlikely, since sales of the FYE single clearly went *up* considerably after the performance ‘ ¦.

    Maybe his album sales didn’t go up after the pre-orders were calculated into the first week totals.

    Well, I’m sure any manner of numbers things could have happened. ….

    But surely if the audience had reacted badly to FYE, the single’s numbers wouldn’t have risen. ….

    When it comes to the album numbers, I honestly don’t know how they could have figured out whether a sales lull or whatever there had anything to do with the AMAs or not. The AMAs occurred just before the album became available for sale and those first counted sales were pretty much all pre-orders or at least sales to AI fans, and then you *expect* a steep drop-off for *all* Idol albums.

    That being the case, I don’t see how they could have traced Adam’s dropoff back to the AMAs, when in fact sales of the offending single, FYE, were rising at the exact same time.

  90. more good stuff from the santa rosa press democrat….

    November 30th, 2009 09:03am
    Mea culpa Archuleta fans

    by pinella

    To several of you ‘Archies’  out there who commented that David Archuleta sang Ave Maria in Latin Sunday night and not Spanish as was noted here, I can only say that my high school Latin teacher when I was a freshman would be stunned at that error.

    And I say to you: ‘Mea culpa.’ 

    I wonder how one would say: ‘You go, David!’  in Latin?

    http://idol.blogs.pressdemocrat.com/10627/mea-culpa-archuleta-fans/

  91. It was this way before the AMAs. Maybe FYE was always meant more for international play.

    Is the FYE single printed on whatever sticker they have promoting the CD? If it is, then it was going to be the single. I think it was always meant to be the single, but it just didn’t do as well as they hoped so they switched gears quickly. Adam’s lucky they’re willing to put the extra money out to correct this mistake.

  92. November 30th, 2009 09:03am
    Mea culpa Archuleta fans

    by pinella

    To several of you ‘Archies’  out there who commented that David Archuleta sang Ave Maria in Latin Sunday night and not Spanish as was noted here, I can only say that my high school Latin teacher when I was a freshman would be stunned at that error.

    And I say to you: ‘Mea culpa.’ 

    I wonder how one would say: ‘You go, David!’  in Latin

    Oh, that’s funny. …. Kind of sad, to me, though. Latin really *is* a dead language now, apparently, when people can’t tell it from Spanish any more!

  93. But I do think Adam might have had some be having the scenes fallout on this, because he went so far off script and spooked the bigwigs. I’m thinking the lawyers are terrified of what could have happened, and any FCC fines they might have gotten had, say, that flipping the bird thing had been caught on camera. Heh. Live TV baby, gotta love it.

    I have to confess something. Although age 40 is near on the horizon… I can’t help but laugh with glee at Adam’s bird flipping. I can’t tell you how many times I wished I could have flipped the bird at TPTB, Disney and a whole boat load of lawyers. I don’t want to rehash the consequences.. but it makes me feel good. *I now slink away*

  94. It mentions David Cook’s record as being one of only 19 to go platinum in 08 ‘“ 09, and one of only 3 debut artists to do so. Pretty darn good, I think

    I couldn’t find the statistics at that link, wellhesback. Pretty darn good, indeed.

    I hope Cook can really take his time on album #2, and also work with some co-writers who can help create a major hit or two. (I was disappointed in the new song Make Believe.) I don’t understand why Cook cannot be as big as Daughtry.

  95. Wellhesback, the link you provided for DC having one of 19 albums that went platinum last year was actually a link to a drawn-out discussion of David’s career, on pulse, but not to the list of 19 albums. I know this exists, because I’ve seen it elsewhere, but this is not the right link.

    Also, we won’t ever know how much of his first week sales came before and after the AMAs, but I bet TPTB know. They would know the raw pre-order numbers to see whether there was a drop-off. I still think he had an initial benefit from the AMAs, based on the rise of about 40 slots for the song.

  96. I really don’t think that ABC will cancel Adam’s New Year’s Eve appearance. They proved their point with the GMA cancellation. There’s really nothing to be gained by banning him completely from the network.

    ITA – in fact, I would wager that being able to cover their asses with an Adam-signed contract (that he won’t go off script again), yet still hype the hell out of his NYE performance will be just what ABC wants for maximum PR and ratings. After all, it’s NYE in Times Square – the epicenter of debauchery, it’s not Grandma’s tea party.

    Yep. I’m guessing he and his label want to put ‘[the people’s] focus back on the music.’  A little controversy is not a bad thing but if it drags on too long, it becomes a distraction. Plus, he’s probably sick of answering the same questions over and over.


    LaurelG
    – this is exactly my take on it. I’m not terribly surprised or saddened by Adam’s tweets, in fact, they’re pretty promising considering the point you make – just being shocking all the time would get real old real fast.

    He is very savvy, knows how to read the signs, and knows that right now he’s caused enough controversy to last him a little while. The most shocking thing now for him to do would be to be a complete angel for a little while, say, up until about the New Years performance (though, again, I don’t expect that to be anywhere NEAR as crazy as the AMAs).

  97. Yeah, GG, I’m glad that review highlighted David’s voice which is what has always been front and center for me.

    As a non-teen (ahem), it has never bothered me for some reason when people focus on David’s teen fans–I actually kind of like it. I guess I see that as a plus for longevity. If he didn’t have the talent and voice that he has, it would worry me more.

  98. He is back in LA, maybe Simon Fuller called him into his office, lol.

    To congratulate him on his album sales …? :)

    p.s. I think it has been a long week.

  99. The bottom line is Adam has incredible vocals, and his management and label know that. Practically every article you read mentions his talent (and charisma). 19 and RCA would be pretty short-sighted to let Adam go. I think Adam is just getting tired of the same old questions and articles.

  100. Oh, that’s funny. ‘ ¦. Kind of sad, to me, though. Latin really *is* a dead language now, apparently, when people can’t tell it from Spanish any more!

    i know lucy, hahah.. i took a year or two of it in hs years ago, and loved it… words – the meaning/history/genesis of them have always fascinated me, so latin came quite easily for me… i’ve always liked listening to gregorian chants, and hearing david tackle ”ave maria” in latin on the cd was amazing… i’ll be hearing him sing it live in two weeks, and i am anticipating hearing it like no other… this is the kind of musical versatility david brings to his live shows that the fans love… he can weave in and out of pop, rock, r and b, some christmas tunes and classics, and something as vocally challenging and reverent as ave maria… and pull every bit of it off w/o missing a beat… best version i’ve heard live thus far… in ann arbor on the 27th with a 76 piece orchestra… there was a strict no taping policy in effect, so we have audio… but having the audio for this one makes it all the more powerful… nothing but ”the voice” here…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zcwiO-Nqg4

  101. I hope Cook can really take his time on album #2, and also work with some co-writers who can help create a major hit or two.

    You know, if you’re talking about a hit as in a Top 40 hit, I just don’t think that’s realistic. The more I hear Cook’s live act and also listening to his new song (which I dig, by the way), I just think that even HAC is not soft enough for him. He really does belong in Mainstream or Alternative, rock radio much more than even HAC, in which he had quite a bit of success (3 top 10 hits on HAC off one album isn’t anything to sneeze at). Sure, he wrote songs on his debut album that were more pop/rock than rock-rock (is that similar to gay-gay? heh), but overall in his concert vids and how he’s interpreted his songs live, what compromises he seems to have made on his debut album seems to have been not about making his songs Top40 friendly, but in making the songs soft enough and accessible enough to even be on HAC. If he’s going to be true to himself artistically, I think he’s better off shooting for Alternative or Mainstream Rock radioplay, rather than shoehorning himself to fit into HAC and certainly not Top 40. Of course, given that rock radio in general is very closed off to Idol, I think he’ll be making the same or similar compromises on his second album so he’ll have a HAC hit or two. Hopefully, his track record off his debut album will keep those HAC radio doors open for him even if the sound off his new album is slightly (or actually a lot) harder.

  102. Yeah, GG, I’m glad that review highlighted David’s voice which is what has always been front and center for me.

    As a non-teen (ahem), it has never bothered me for some reason when people focus on David’s teen fans’“I actually kind of like it. I guess I see that as a plus for longevity. If he didn’t have the talent and voice that he has, it would worry me more.

    you took the words outta my mouth houstonrufus….

  103. I hope Cook can really take his time on album #2, and also work with some co-writers who can help create a major hit or two. (I was disappointed in the new song Make Believe.) I don’t understand why Cook cannot be as big as Daughtry.

    I read but dont post but had to for this. Cook will never be as big as Daughtry hes not talented enough. His act is good for middleage women thats it. Guys aint into him. Voice not that great album sucked. His next album will fail. Daughtrys new album doing okay, but he gets play. Cook wont even get that.

  104. Did Lambert write Broken Open – that’s one of my favourites: lovely song…

    On a separate note: great to see Cook’s album in amongst an elite group of 19 platinum records for the year.

    I’m really not sure what’s going to happen with album 2 next year – beyond the fact that I will be buying it asap – but this first one is a great, solid starting point.

  105. i hope allison gets the breaks and the promotion she deserves… this young lady is loaded w/talent and potential, and i hope jive really gives her what she needs to continue developing… she has the pipes and youth on her side, so i’ll be watching her progress…

  106. Lots of guys and younger women enjoying Cookie’s voice at the concert I went to. Just sayin.

  107. His act is good for middleage women thats it.

    With all the talk of prejudice over the last few days, it’d be good if people would add sexism to their list of abhorrent attitudes.

    ‘Middle aged women’ are not one lumpen mass of hopeless tastes and attitudes, or people who should be forced to retire into a corner by the fire and dribble, whilst knitting cardies and rhapsodising over Susan Boyle.

    They are as individual as anyone else and many of them like a good range of music.

    Because, if that is not the case, then there are a whole load of acts, including Kings Of Leon, Pink, Elbow, Florence and The Machine, The White Lines, Coldplay, The Foo Fighters and yes, indeed, Adam Lambert and so many more, who you are also going to have to confine to ‘cardie corner’.

    And so speaks an irate 38 year old right on the cusp of ‘middle age’. I refuse to be put into a box by anyone!

  108. His act is good for middleage women thats it. Guys aint into him.

    Thank you for your opinion, O Dolphin. I’m curious why you think this way. In my experience at a couple of concerts, the guys were pretty much into him, but venues can vary. Just in my immediate family there are 4 really big Cook fans, and two are in the 20-30 year old male demographic.

    ETA: As for Adam and FYE and the uproar about the AMA’s, I’m a cynic, and I’m beginning to think this was all mapped out from the beginning to create more buzz and to keep him in the media eye. I don’t believe for a minute that FYE was meant to be a long term single, or that they had to jump quickly to another due to bad radio play. I think this was the plan from the start. If so, well played 19 and RCA. You sucked everyone in to talking about the controversy and let the public do your work for you at very little cost to you. JMO.

  109. I’m really not sure what’s going to happen with album 2 next year ‘“ beyond the fact that I will be buying it asap ‘“ but this first one is a great, solid starting point.

    Agreed. His album left him firmly established on a radio format. That’s not an easy thing to do, but now he seems to have something to build off for next time.

    I think his likely worst case scenario for next time is getting spins primarily on HAC, which would probably mean (between them and his fanbase) selling something like a few hundred thousand albums and a couple of gold singles. But I do think, provided the material is solid, he should be able to do better than that. Personally, given the usual Idol 2nd album drop off, I’d be happy with a gold album and at least one platinum single, with the rest getting consistent airplay, allowing him to tour for a nice long time. That should keep him on the label for another go around, I think. I guess it all depends, so we’ll see!

    Now if he blows up a la Breakaway, I wont be mad at that ether. LOL.

  110. fadetowhite

    Thank you for that. Society for some reason seems to think that once a woman passes 30 she should be put out to pasture. I’m sort of sick and tired of being boxed into that corner you speak of.

    Ah we even have similar taste in music, but I’d add.. Green Day, the Killers, Paramore & Panic! At the Disco. I’m sure they won’t turn their noses at the green in my money.

    ETA: Personally I find Cook to be MORE talented to Daughtry. He just hasn’t jumped on the ‘common’ sounds that muddy ups our airwaves.

    In hindsight… exactly what is wrong with a strong female fan base? Are you saying that Young Adult Men are standing in line clutching the latest Britney CD?

  111. I read but dont post but had to for this. Cook will never be as big as Daughtry hes not talented enough. His act is good for middleage women thats it. Guys aint into him. Voice not that great album sucked. His next album will fail. Daughtrys new album doing okay, but he gets play. Cook wont even get that.

    I’m not sure where you saw Cook perform, but there were a lot of men (young and middle-aged) in the audience when I caught his show in Philly. And while there are people who don’t care for him or his singing, I don’t know how anybody can say his voice isn’t at least on par with most of the guys singing on rock and alternative rock radio today.

  112. Lots of guys and younger women enjoying Cookie’s voice at the concert I went to. Just sayin.

    Interesting, in an article last week, the writer said he had a “cougar” audience. Which in some ways that’s good because his fan base did not desert him.

  113. fadetowhite, yes, Adam wrote “Broken Open;” with Greg wells, I believe.

    And, of course Cook’s audience is probably mostly women (with lots middle-aged.) Adam’s audience will be the same. I am a fan of both and in my thirties, who cares? I would guess that it’s no different for Daughtry, either.

  114. Lots of guys and younger women enjoying Cookie’s voice at the concert I went to. Just sayin.

    Yes all Cook fans aren’t middle aged women. I happen to be a teenager, and know some male fans. Geezbus.

  115. Interesting, in an article last week, the writer said he had a ‘cougar’  audience. Which in some ways that’s good because his fan base did not desert him.

    Yeah, it depends on the show. Some have a lot more men and a lot more young people, but I’m guessing it depends on the type of venue and whether the pop station in that area spun LO or CBTM a lot.

    When you add the idol demo (adult women, tweens) and the typical HAC listener (a woman in her 30s) you have a female skewing audience most of the time.

  116. I heard the Hard Rock concert of DC’s had alot of guys there.
    See the following tweets.

    @amanodyne: There are a ton of guys at the @GRO @thedavidcook concert. I am excited!
    @krittr517: Lots of DUDES here at the @thedavidcook show tonight
    @Kristen8108: David said the 15 year old guy up front looks the same age as Kyle

    See what I mean?

  117. Interesting, in an article last week, the writer said he had a ‘cougar’  audience.

    Yes, the “cougar” reference got discussed on DCO and started a discussion regarding how he was marketed. And then lo and behold you got a bunch of non-cougars (ETA: age-wise, I mean) delurking talking about how they are their friends were fans of David and how he was actually rather well known in that high school to college age crowd. Like it or not, the “cougar” reference is a legacy from his AI days and his fanbase is always going to reflect that in some ways more than “regular” artists out there.

    That being said, I went to his SF concert (at the Fillmore) and there were A LOT of guys in the audience — I would say 40%-50% and they were the ones singing all the lyrics in my ear. LOL There were lots of women in their 30s-40s as were those in their 20s (mostly up in front). Not many younger than that, but that was probably due to the venue.

  118. ”christmas from the heart” is part of the continuing black friday ”lightning deals” on amazon.com… it can be ordered for 5.99 till 5 p.m. eastern time, alice in chains new one is also part of the special… what a pair – the ”rooster” and the archuleta, hahah…

    http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=amb_link_86228951_3?ie=UTF8&node=2233633011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=hero-quick-promo&pf_rd_r=18Z4T2NS1KZ068QVG42V&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=501946151&pf_rd_i=B002LLDT9U

  119. Koshka

    Green Day, the Killers

    Uh-huh – yep, love them too.

    Chicagolaw

    yes, Adam wrote ‘Broken Open;’  with Greg wells, I believe.

    I’m impressed.

  120. I was at the Cook concert in Tampa and there were plenty of guys. It was a great show!

  121. I was at the Cook concert in Tampa and there were plenty of guys. It was a great show!

  122. Personally I find Cook to be MORE talented to Daughtry. He just hasn’t jumped on the ‘common’ sounds that muddy ups our airwaves.

    Me, too.

  123. Just popped onto Yahoo – Allison Iraheta is one of the top searches – how awesome is that!

  124. I’ve posted the first HDD update in the Mediabase thread for all idols.

  125. Hee, I bet this is the first time Kruk was mistaken for a middle aged female. He’s a self professed Cookie fan. I heard Tony Gonzalez was at the Atlanta show recently, too, and although I wasn’t there, I’m pretty sure he wasn’t there to escort his mom. Honestly, from the two shows I was at, I’d guestimate Cook’s core female fanbase averages in the 25-45 age range, which aint exactly all middle aged women. Unless middle aged is anyone over 20. Not that there’s anything horrifying about middle aged women rocking out, mind you. I certainly don’t plan to settle into a life of Michael Buble and procedural crime dramas when I get there. For the record, to the right of me at Hard Rock there were three guys a little older than me sitting next to my guy. To my left was a 30 something mom and a very tiny little girl who couldn’t have been more than six or seven. She fell asleep during GRO and stayed sleeping until Cookie took the stage, at which point she just shot up like a rocket and started clapping. Adorable. So, yeah.

    The more I hear Cook’s live act and also listening to his new song (which I dig, by the way), I just think that even HAC is not soft enough for him. He really does belong in Mainstream or Alternative, rock radio much more than even HAC, in which he had quite a bit of success (3 top 10 hits on HAC off one album isn’t anything to sneeze at)….snip…. If he’s going to be true to himself artistically, I think he’s better off shooting for Alternative or Mainstream Rock radioplay, rather than shoehorning himself to fit into HAC and certainly not Top 40. Of course, given that rock radio in general is very closed off to Idol, I think he’ll be making the same or similar compromises on his second album so he’ll have a HAC hit or two. Hopefully, his track record off his debut album will keep those HAC radio doors open for him even if the sound off his new album is slightly (or actually a lot) harder.

    Word to your entire post. And it echos the astute observations given in a recent review of the Tampa concert, where the critic said Cook was more Foo Fighters than he realized, or something like that. (Okay, found it. ) My impression is that David doesn’t want to be a pop star, necessarily. So, I say to hell with it and just go for the harder sound that he seems to love (as do I) and see what happens. The first single will be tricky. HAC should be waiting with open arms, but if he goes too soft, I think his window of opportunity for kind of resetting his image after CBTM is gonna close. I think they need to roll the dice and release something with a bit more meat on it next time around. He has certainly, as I said, been embraced by a lot of prominent sports figures which can’t hurt the guy cred, which in turn helps the rock station cred. Plus I think if they set him up with some in studio acoustic sets at some rock radio stations it would do wonders. I’d love to see Cook more fully embrace his inner riff rocker when writing the next album. I actually think a single like Make Believe, which unlike LO originally has been warmly received by the existing fanbase, would be melodic and hooky enough to do okay on HAC while still sounding right at home in a set list with Dave’s hardest stuff. Plus the occasional acoustic-y softer rock ballad also fits him like a glove, so two or three of those type of songs per album should keep his HAC audience happy. I dunno. I guess he has a lot of thinking to do. But he promised us three more albums in his closing banter, and Ima gonna hold him to that. ;)

  126. yes, Adam wrote ‘Broken Open;’  with Greg wells, I believe.

    I thought that was the one he wrote with Linda Perry

  127. I’d guestimate Cook’s core female fanbase averages in the 25-45 age range

    What a coinicidink! That’s exactly the HAC and Vh1 demo. LOL

    Lil Rounds has a website. And a label.

    Well you go ‘head, girl! Hmm…Karl Thomas’ and K-Ci’s label, huh? Not a bad choice.

    Just popped onto Yahoo ‘“ Allison Iraheta is one of the top searches ‘“ how awesome is that!

    Wut? Nice! Now those people better go buy.

  128. What a coinicidink! That’s exactly the HAC and Vh1 demo. LOL

    *ding* LOL ANd hey, if those women (of which I am one) are diggin them some Cookie live, I think he can push the sound he wants on his next album and do okay. We’ll see.

  129. ‘Middle aged women’ are not one lumpen mass of hopeless tastes and attitudes, or people who should be forced to retire into a corner by the fire and dribble, whilst knitting cardies and rhapsodising over Susan Boyle.

    Yes, middle aged women run the gamut of Pamela Anderson (born 1967), Heather Locklear (born 1961) to Susan Boyle (also born 1961).

    So yes, Heather Locklear and Susan Boyle are the same age!!!

  130. ‘Middle aged women’ are not one lumpen mass of hopeless tastes and attitudes, or people who should be forced to retire into a corner by the fire and dribble, whilst knitting cardies and rhapsodising over Susan Boyle.

    OMG I love that!!

    Well, I am wearing a cardie today (it’s chilly and rainy in Boston) but I did not knit it. Or dribble on it.

  131. David Archuleta’s Christmas From the Heart is up to 14 on the amazon bestseller’s list, up from 41 last night and 38 earlier today. About 30 minutes to go on the lightning deal. Go Archie!

  132. Daughtrys new album doing okay, but he gets play.

    But Daughtry is not selling out his tour in any city. The next 11 out of 14 concerts have seats discounted more than 50% to $14.99. Cookie is playing to a full house as far as I know.

  133. I’d love to see Cook more fully embrace his inner riff rocker when writing the next album.

    Yup.

    I want to see him release the indie rocker within.

    I’m just hoping that RCA are on board.

  134. But Daughtry is not selling out his tour in any city. The next 11 out of 14 concerts have seats discounted more than 50% to $14.99. Cookie is playing to a full house as far as I know.

    Well I’m no big Daughtry fan, but in the guy’s defense I’d say it’s pretty tough to try to fill big venues for everyone right now. Much less the closer you get to Christmas shopping season. So I would cut dude some slack. Plus, his last song did pretty well on the charts and the new one is also moving along nicely, and he’s still selling albums reasonably well. All in all I think Daughtry is holding his own.

    Both DC and Daughtry are moving forward, IMO. Neither one of them is in deep doodoo right now IMO.

  135. Although this is from a concert a while back in Canada, I don’t think I’ve seen this Cookie review before, so other David Cook fans might enjoy too
    http://www.spinearth.tv/articles/3522

    Love it when a bonafide kool aide drinker pens a review. And a Canuck one at that. :D

    ETA: thx for that second link. That was my concert! I must say bf was lookin hawt. Diggin the pics…

  136. Love it when a bonafide kool aide drinker pens a review. And a Canuck one at that.

    I was just going to ask, which of you guys wrote this? ;-)

  137. Does anybody know if the Jingle Ball type of shows get press reviews? If so, it will be interesting to see how Kris’s reviews compare to those he got on tour when he wasn’t performing original material and came immediately after Adam.

  138. Does anybody know if the Jingle Ball type of shows get press reviews?

    I won’t say they all do, but yeah, those shows get reviews. The z100 one will get a lot of press.

  139. Adam is HOSTING the Jingle Ball??? But not performing? Well then who the heck cares? My gosh, his fans want to hear the music; he has an amazing album. Who’s great idea was this???

    Am I missing something here? I think this sucks!

  140. Why is Adam not performing? He should be performing his songs, GUH!
    What kind of promotion is this?

  141. Adam is HOSTING the Jingle Ball??? But not performing? Well then who the heck cares? My gosh, his fans want to hear the music; he has an amazing album. Who’s great idea was this???

    Am I missing something here? I think this sucks!

    There is supposed to be more details coming soon. Hopefully there’s a mistake. lol Although, do they only sing christmas songs at this? If so, maybe Adam isn’t singing cause he’s Jewish? i dunno. I’m trying to make something up here so it makes sense. lol

  142. Adam is on the cover of Galaxie magazinem which is sold mainly in Malaysia and Singapore. Kris’s name is on the cover so I’m assuming there is an article on him inside. the cover can be found here: Link

    I personally think its a good picture of Adam.

  143. LOL, fadetowhite, your post was fabulous :)

    And so speaks an irate 38 year old right on the cusp of ‘middle age’. I refuse to be put into a box by anyone!

    Yeah, I hear you, too – I’m 36, and I refuse to be lumped into some “now must listen to easy listening” category. As I drive my minivan listening to Jay-Z today, windows down, music blasting. Ha!!

  144. Yeah, I hear you, too ‘“ I’m 36, and I refuse to be lumped into some ‘now must listen to easy listening’  category. As I drive my minivan listening to Jay-Z today, windows down, music blasting. Ha!!

    You kids better get off my lawn!

  145. But Daughtry is not selling out his tour in any city. The next 11 out of 14 concerts have seats discounted more than 50% to $14.99. Cookie is playing to a full house as far as I know.

    This comparison doesn’t make sense to me. Not a Daughtry fan but his is booked into some big venues — and is selling 4K to 5K seats. He is booked into a 10,000 seat arene in Tupelo MS — population of “metro” area is 90,000 — note: I use the term metro area loosely, that means withing 50 mile radius. So the likelihood of selling out Tupelo are slim.

  146. Here’s an interesting posting (in Music Fascination) for Billboard’s Top 200 2009 year end charts (prelim.) which shows David Cook and Zach Brown Band as 2 of the highest selling newcomers to the chart this year. Could they both be in the running for a Grammy nomination? Time will tell. (Lady Gaga is not eligible, by the way.)

  147. Yeah, I hear you, too ‘“ I’m 36, and I refuse to be lumped into some ‘now must listen to easy listening’  category. As I drive my minivan listening to Jay-Z today, windows down, music blasting. Ha!!

    On the way to pick up my kids at school, I always pass the high school as the students are getting out. I always like to blast the hip hop as they’re walking by. Seeing a mom in the stereotypical SUV with booster seats in the back rocking out to that stuff sure will make some teenagers do a double-take LOL.

  148. ETA: As for Adam and FYE and the uproar about the AMA’s, I’m a cynic, and I’m beginning to think this was all mapped out from the beginning to create more buzz and to keep him in the media eye. I don’t believe for a minute that FYE was meant to be a long term single, or that they had to jump quickly to another due to bad radio play. I think this was the plan from the start. If so, well played 19 and RCA. You sucked everyone in to talking about the controversy and let the public do your work for you at very little cost to you. JMO.

    ITA with you. I think most of this was planned from the start. But I do not think that parts of Adam’s performance were planned — and my bet is no one at RCA/19 thought that it would become the #1 news story in the world for 24 hours. And it is still generating press.

  149. david a’s numbers on amazon.com, after close of the monday 3 hr lightning deal promo – looking good!

    ====================================

    Bestsellers in Music [all genres]

    #5 in overall music, 76 days in the top 100
    #4 in hot new releases

    Bestsellers in Music, Pop

    #5 [overall], 48 days in the top 100
    #4 in hot new releases

    Bestsellers in Music, Classic Pop

    #1 [overall] ‘”’”- yesssss, finally passes michael buble :)
    #1 in hot new releases

    Bestsellers in Holiday Music

    #2 [overall]
    #2 hot new releases

    Bestsellers in Opera & Vocal

    #2 [overall]
    #2 hot new releases

    Bestsellers in Music ‘“ General Christmas

    #2 [overall]
    #2 hot new releases

    Bestsellers in Music ‘“ Adult Contemporary

    #1 [overall]
    #1 hot new releases

    Bestsellers in Music, Vocal Pop

    #3 [overall]
    #3 in hot new releases

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/music/ref=pd_dp_ts_m_1

  150. BestAI
    11/30/2009 at 12:48 pm
    Maybe they did the calculations and altho Adam got a lot of publicity, they saw the numbers, and his album sales went way down after the AMA performance.

    Doubt that this is true because 1. it looks like the AMA noise increased Adam’s Sales.

    Based on StreetPulse — the only retail reporting that there is by day — Adam was the #2 album sold on 11/24 — only behind SuBo.

    2. Adam and the band had already rehearsed WWFM and Music Again for the GMA Concert BEFORE the AMA performance

    3. RCA already was pushing WWFM as the single before the AMAs

    AND 4. FYE has a sticker on it with 4 songs listed — FYE, WWFM, Music Again and Winners. Predict that they start performing Winners in the near future.

    More likely, Adam is doing exactly what he did on Idol after RoF but on a grander scale. RoF was followed by Tracks of My Tears. FYE performnace followed by WWFM.

  151. Wait, it’s Clay’s birthday today? Well happy birthday to him. He’s 31 today.

    Oh and as I mentioned the other day when the review of that Cook concert came out, I loathe the term Cougar and yes, the sexism with it. Who cares if Cook did have a log of “Cougars,” supporting him? Doesn’t mean they are the only ones and nothing wrong with being above the age of 25 and a female. Judas Priest I get tired , tired, tired of that kind of crap.

    So countdown 2009…how many shows for Cooks for The Neverending Tour? (and now I have that stupid “Neverending Story,” song in my head and an image of that weird long flying dog thing in my mind)

  152. Based on StreetPulse ‘” the only retail reporting that there is by day ‘” Adam was the #2 album sold on 11/24 ‘” only behind SuBo.

    Isn’t StreetPulse wildly inaccurate though?

  153. from associated content…. excerpted here, more at the link…

    American Idol for Christmas: New American Idol Albums Drop in Time for the Holidays
    November 30, 2009

    Besides a Host of Studio Albums by Colleagues, David Archuleta Has Released a True Christmas Album

    … American Idol Season 7 runner-up David Archuleta released an actual Christmas album (with Christmas music) in mid-October. It has been a steady seller since in its six weeks, has peaked at #30, but has maintained a home in the Top 50 for a majority of its time on the charts.

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2441478/american_idol_for_christmas_new_american.html

  154. wordnerdarchie
    11/30/2009 at 6:31 pm
    Here’s an interesting posting (in Music Fascination) for Billboard’s Top 200 2009 year end charts (prelim.) which shows David Cook and Zach Brown Band as 2 of the highest selling newcomers to the chart this year. Could they both be in the running for a Grammy nomination? Time will tell. (Lady Gaga is not eligible, by the way.)

    I was just coming here to post the same link. Congrats to Kelly, Daughtry and Cook – a major accomplishment in a very tough year for recording artists:

    13. David Cook – David Cook 1,233,398
    33. All I Ever Wanted ‘“ Kelly Clarkson 750,137
    36. Leave This Town ‘“ Daughtry 737,889

    And yeah, Cookie was/is the NUMBER ONE selling debut artist this year. Not bad for a talentless, unpopular hack!!!! :)

  155. Just saw a tweet from Jive about Allison’s appearance on GMA tomorrow. So, anybody want to make a prediction about whether or not they bring up Adam , and if they do – how she handles it?

    I haven’t paid much attention to her PR in the last week, so I’m not sure if she’s had to answer those questions.

  156. This is cool and will get David’s music out there. This is a rising pair in US skating.

    @ColinGrafton: @DavidArchie’ ¦ I am using :’ To Be with you‘  as my pairs (figure skating) show program for this skating season check it out!

  157. So yes, Heather Locklear and Susan Boyle are the same age!!!

    I totally missed this before. But, holy crap, that’s about the funniest thing I’ve read this week. Seriously, Susan Boyle looks like Heather’s grandma.

  158. So countdown 2009′ ¦how many shows for Cooks for The Neverending Tour? (and now I have that stupid ‘Neverending Story,’  song in my head and an image of that weird long flying dog thing in my mind)

    Truthiness – 155 shows on the Neverending Declaration Tour – the last two on Tuesday and Wednesday. There are still two TV appearances and the New Year’s Eve doubleheader in December, and the Extreme Makeover Home Edition show in January coming up.

  159. Thanks for posting Lyndsey’s article. A comparison article that’s actually nice to both of them!

  160. Incipit, two TV appearances? I know about the Carrie Underwood Xmas special, but what is the other one?

  161. Isn’t StreetPulse wildly inaccurate though?

    Yes, but what else is there that is public? And as the numbers are coming in they look really good.

    SoundScan Building Chart: FYE is up to 98,401 with 54.98% of locations reporting — Walmart is reported, it does not look like iTunes has reported yet.

    The Building Chart covers about 80% of sales so it looks like Adam is on track to hit forecast of 225K+. It does not include Amazon, B&N and a number of smaller retailers.

    The fact that he sold 54K in Walmart is amazing — and higher than I would have expected.

    Also, Adam is now at #3 with Miley in #2 with the Walmart exclusive [107k and all in]. So it looks like it will be Adam and Lady Gaga battling it out for #2, but that Adam should end up debuting at #3 or better on the Billboard chart — with a shot at #2.

    I really can’t see that the AMAs could have done anything but help Adam with these numbers. Considering the dismal sales market, these are great number for an Idol runner-up.

    Also, Adam debuted at #87 on the UK Album chart — without any promo and before the UK album is released.

  162. Lyndsey Parker posted an interesting take on the first week sales of Adam and Kris: A Tale of Two Idols Sales

    People are still making excuses for Kris having bad first week sales. Its annoying. Adam sold more the first week, people should just deal with it. It doesn’t mean Adam will sell the most in the long-run, but to come up with excuses as to why things are the way they are right now is pretty lame to me. This time next year we’ll have a better idea as to who has a chance at long-term success.

  163. The fact that he sold 54K in Walmart is amazing ‘” and higher than I would have expected.

    I was in Walmart over the weekend (I’m in Pennsylvania), and Adam’s CD was in the front of the music section under the banner Hot New Releases. Rhianna, Lady Gaga, Susan Boyle, etc. were there as well. So he wasn’t hidden. At least not in this part of the country.

    By the way, Allison’s CD is streaming on AOL in case that wasn’t posted yet.

  164. Suenigma, the network is showing the special twice, on the 7th and the 22nd of December.

  165. Isn’t StreetPulse wildly inaccurate though?

    It is. I remember the week Cook’s album was released they had it ahead of Nickelback…

  166. Lyndsey Parker posted an interesting take on the first week sales of Adam and Kris: A Tale of Two Idols Sales

    Does Lyndsey know something that we don’t know since she’s pretty much stating as fact that Adam sold 225,000 albums?

    Also, while I see some similarities between David C. and Kris in terms of the type of artists they are, David started out with a much bigger lead both in terms of album sales and single sales. I just don’t really see that their success trajectories are comparable at this point.

    I also don’t believe comparisons to guys like Clay and even Taylor are valid anymore in the age of illegal downloads and iTunes and the decline of the record industry. She alludes to this but still raises the point. If the gist of her whole article is to somehow conclude that based on ten different talking points, the race between Adam and Kris resulted in a dead heat … I guess my question is, why?

  167. Thanks for posting Lyndsey’s article. A comparison article that’s actually nice to both of them!

    Refreshing, isn’t it? I’m sure she’ll get dinged for not pointing out that the Amazon sale was MP3 only, but either way, it’s a good point. Being one of those short-term, lightning specials is good exposure, even if only a small boost. And, Kris didn’t get the benefit of that anywhere.

  168. People are still making excuses for Kris having bad first week sales. Its annoying. Adam sold more the first week, people should just deal with it. It doesn’t mean Adam will sell the most in the long-run, but to come up with excuses as to why things are the way they are right now is pretty lame to me. This time next year we’ll have a better idea as to who has a chance at long-term success.

    unique28v, excuses for you is ‘context’ to me… understanding contributing factors around an event doesn’t diminish Adam’s success – but perhaps it provides another way of looking at what this first week of sales may or may not mean for Kris. Ultimately, you are correct – we won’t really know enough to draw conclusions about long-term success for quite some time.

  169. Thanks Incipit. Very cool news. Cookie always seems to get a sales bump whenever he appears on TV – even when it is just a re-run. I’m so thrilled he’s going to be singing the rightful(IMO) second single, “Lie”.

  170. People are still making excuses for Kris having bad first week sales.

    I don’t think Lyndsey Parker was making excuses for Kris. She was just trying to put everything into perspective. It’s an effort to understand the reasoning behind a phenomena before jumping into a conclusion.

  171. I didn’t read Lindsays article as “excuses”. I thought they were a list of considerations. All numbers come with considerations.

  172. I was just coming here to post the same link. Congrats to Kelly, Daughtry and Cook ‘“ a major accomplishment in a very tough year for recording artists:

    13. David Cook ‘“ David Cook 1,233,398

    Just a note about the number in case anyone got confused by it – it’s one of the strange rules of BB Year End chart that after an album dropped off the BB200 chart, any further sales accrued are not counted. So the actual sales of David Cook’s album to date is in fact ~20K higher at 1.253 million.

  173. I don’t think Lyndsey Parker was making excuses for Kris. She was just trying to put everything into perspective. It’s an effort to understand the reasoning behind a phenomena before jumping into a conclusion.

    It just sounds like excuses to me. Its the same thing over and over again. Rhianna had just as much promo or even moreso than Adam but yet she isn’t going to sell more than him. Even as an established artist. She also had the 2 day 3.99 deal. John mayor sold oodles of albums and he had almost no promo. I didn’t even know he had an album out!

    I guess I’m just sick of the comparisons. Plus the economy excuse. Some people are selling really well in this economy, and others aren’t. It is what it is. Why write an article about not comparing people when all you do is compare those same people? The numbers are what they are. We all know its just the beginning not the end. Some people start big and drop off, some start slow and climb up, some start slow and die off, some start big and stay big.

  174. I think your last paragraph, unique, was the whole point of her article. There are lots of reasons for sales. Good and bad. Her article was about why they shouldn’t be compared, and she just listed some intangibles that supported that theory.

    ETA: and as far as why she used Kris and Adam as the selected artists, is probably because her editor or whatever said, get me some internet hits. Use those idol names in an article!

  175. First — congrats to Kelly, Daughtry and Cook — huge accomplishment is a terrible year.

    I don’t think Lyndsey Parker was making excuses for Kris. She was just trying to put everything into perspective. It’s an effort to understand the reasoning behind a phenomena before jumping into a conclusion.

    I don’t know what Lyndey is trying to do, but I am tired of all the comparisons.

    Kris had a decent first week. Looks like he’s tracking to sell 50K to 55K this week. And there is another big week in December.

    The only think about Lyndsey’s article that is totally silly is that the 36 hour $3.99 Amazon FYE MP3 special had anything to do with Adam’s sales forecast. Amazon MP3 sales are insignificant [2% to 3% of album sales] and this will only amount to 2.000 to 3,000 units. That is less than 5% of what Adam sold at Walmart (54K) — not exactly what I would call Lambert country.

    Finally, if people are going to write about sales comparisons [which I wish they would — but dream on], at least they could want until we have real sales numbers.

  176. get me some internet hits. Use those idol names in an article!

    LOL – you know that’s probably true!

  177. A little Danny news from All Access:

    Danny Gokey Begins Media Blitz In Support Of Debut Single

    19 RECORDINGS/RCA NASHVILLE artist DANNY GOKEY will head to ATLANTA TOMORROW (12/1) to perform and give an interview on the local FOX-TV channel’s “Good Day Atlanta” show. Check local listings for show times.

    He’ll also hop over to CHARLOTTE, NC later that night to sing the NATIONAL ANTHEM prior to the CHARLOTTE BOBCATS/BOSTON CELTICS basketball game. Fans across the CAROLINAS can see GOKEY’s performance on FOX SPORTS SOUTH’s TV network. Check those local listings to find out when it airs.

    DANNY’s debut single, “My Best Days Are Ahead Of Me,” will be available at digital retailers on DECEMBER 22nd. For more info visit http://www.dannygokey.com.

    http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/67614/danny-gokey-begins-media-blitz-in-support-of-debut?ref=rss

  178. A little Danny news from All Access:

    My mom was just asking me if I heard anything about Danny and when his album was coming out.

  179. Danny also did two country radio station interviews today, in Atlanta and Chatanooga and both stations played his new single.

  180. I don’t think Lyndsey Parker was making excuses for Kris. She was just trying to put everything into perspective. It’s an effort to understand the reasoning behind a phenomena before jumping into a conclusion.

    One man’s perspective is another rationalizing. Personally, I don’t care about any of this. Just wish she could make her point without discussing both Adam and Kris.

  181. unique 28V,

    Tell your mom Danny’s single will be available on Itunes on December 22d and his album will be out in March 2010.

  182. One man’s perspective is another rationalizing.

    Very true. Which means that people who like Kris were happy with the article and people who like Adam (and don’t like Kris) were probably angry (read lyndsey’s twitter replies – plenty of both). And casual fans of idol probably didn’t / won’t read it because they don’t pay much attention to the idol bloggers and may never stumble across it. That’s fine… I liked it :D

  183. Speaking of comparisons, we had a lot of discussions in the last few weeks about how the economy this year is a lot or a little worse (depending on your POV) than last year — which could in turn substantially (or not) affect album sales. Based on last night’s news reports, it appears that shoppers during Black Friday week actually spent a bit more in the aggregate this year than last year — about a 0.5% increase though each consumer actually spent less; there was just more of them out and about. Though it will be interesting to hear how last year’s Black Friday week album sales compare to this year’s (with the caveat that album sales comparisons like that are more of a crapshoot because they are so dependent on which artists are releasing on or around Black Friday week), overall it seems that whatever decline in album sales we have seen (we’ve heard a13% average decline from 2008 to 2009) may be more attributable to the continued and gaining popularity of illegal downloading versus anything attributable to the economy.

  184. I did think Lyndsey was making excuses for Kris. Regardless, I think the point is mute. Adam is selling more, has a bigger fanbase, blah blah. But Kris was the winner of AI. Most people outside AI believe ADam was robbed or the best singer didn’t win. This is pretty much already settled in everyone’s mind. No matter what, Kris’s numbers are poor. There is no good way to spin it. I think she brought more attention to the low numbers by trying to justify why Adam’s was higher. Without any comparisons being made, Kris is just boring. People don’t get excited about buying a boring person’s CD. Sorry. Adam is more exciting to buyers.

  185. I think Lyndsey wrote an excellent article, fair to both of them. She considered all aspects of the situation.

  186. I think Lyndsey wrote an excellent article, fair to both of them. She considered all aspects of the situation.

    I kind of agree that the $3.99 sale probably didn’t make a difference to Adam’s sales numbers. But they DID count. I’m glad she cleared that up.

    In any case–no reason fans should be attacking her, which they are right now.

    I wish peeps would just calm the eff down.

    AND 4. FYE has a sticker on it with 4 songs listed ‘” FYE, WWFM, Music Again and Winners. Predict that they start performing Winners in the near future.

    It’s a CD sticker, not the Label plan of what the next single is going to be.

  187. Adam’s sales and the reasons for his sales have absolutely NO effect on Kris’s sales. It is what it is. People are buying more than one artist’s CD-it’s just not Kris’s.

  188. In any case’“no reason fans should be attacking her, which they are right now.

    No people shouldn’t be attacking her.. but she asked for it. She could have written her piece about one or the other. By directly comparing their circumstances she set herself up. No pity here.

  189. alaadam

    Kris being boring is your opinion. It isn’t mine. I bought Kris’ CD. I also bought Adam’s. I also bought Allison’s. Ok? I like all 3 albums, but my favorite is Kris’. That’s only my opinion. Doesn’t have to be anyone else’s.

    I really wish Lyndsey Parker hadn’t written this article, because it does nothing but stir up the fan wars. Adam’s more vocal fans are already angry at Lyndsey’s article. But it’s probably mild reaction in terms of what would have happened if she had focused on the fact that Kris is outperforming Adam in terms of radio play and singles sales. These are the facts – (1) Adam’s album will sell approx. 2 1/2-3 times more in the first week than Kris’ album did. (2) Kris has done much better to this point in terms of radio airplay/and radio/Billboard charting in terms of their singles. Those two things can’t be disputed. Those two facts also do not necessarily mean a lot in terms of future success.

    Personally, I am tired of all the comparisons, because in the end, what Kris sells or how much he gets on the charts or whether he wins any awards has no real impact on Adam’s career, and vice versa. I don’t know why it is so hard to wish for both Kris and Adam (and Allison or any of the other Idols) to be successful. Doesn’t mean anyone has to like or buy their music if they don’t want to.

    The media rarely compares David Archuleta and David Cook anymore (the fans still do at times, but not the media so much). So my hope is that once a new AI champ is crowned in May (or preferably well before that) the Kris-Adam comparisons will fade away, because it isn’t fair to either of them, and it does nothing but get the fans upset.

  190. One man’s perspective is another rationalizing.

    Very true. Which means that people who like Kris were happy with the article and people who like Adam (and don’t like Kris) were probably angry (read lyndsey’s twitter replies ‘“ plenty of both). And casual fans of idol probably didn’t / won’t read it because they don’t pay much attention to the idol bloggers and may never stumble across it. That’s fine’ ¦ I liked it

    Well I like both Adam and Kris, so on the one hand I was like *facepalm* comparisons, oy. But I thought Lyndsey was trying to be fair and look at a lot of different factors involved, so I enjoyed the article for that. However the whole MP3 thing was annoying, but then I hate when peope who do actual articles, not us, some random people on some random blog, make factual errors. It bugs me.

    But I think that the point of hers and unique28v’s were also valid, which is that opening sales are what they are, doesn’t mean someone isn’t going to drop off hugely after that, or later go on to good sales overall in the end. So maybe the point of saying, as I have, yeah, Kris’s opening numbers weren’t FANTASTIC and yeah, honestly I would have liked to have seen more. I felt that way with FYE. I had to say that honestly, I was disappointed with it’s sales. I had to also say that for the first few weeks of LLWD’s sales. But I also said that I thought there was still room for growth and that’s what I wanted to see the artist and their label work towards.

  191. In any case’“no reason fans should be attacking her, which they are right now.

    Agreed. That’s so lame and not like Lyndsey hasn’t established herself as a huge Adam backer and in fact it was the Kris fans that used to hate on her. So attacking her over her attempts to be fair to both men, is really ultra lame. I hope people don’t do that, because it just makes them look bad.

  192. No people shouldn’t be attacking her.. but she asked for it.

    Oh wow. I’m not even going to touch this. Ergh. It’s a cheesy karaoke show. None of it is meant to be that serious.

  193. I think Lyndsey wrote an excellent article, fair to both of them. She considered all aspects of the situation.

    I think that the article was asking for a fanwar and she anticipated it in her last paragraph.

    I think that there is a much more compelling arguement to be made — Kris Allen [album] may be a really strong seller over the course of a year, like Jordin’s album

    I kind of agree that the $3.99 sale probably didn’t make a difference to Adam’s sales numbers. But they DID count. I’m glad she cleared that up.

    It will be a moot point on Weds when the numbers come out because unless Adam sales are mostly digital albums this is a non-issue.

    The Amazon $3.99 offer is probably an insignficant number of units [2k- 3K] but was not part of the HDD or Billboard forecast because Amazon is not on the Tuesday Building Sales numbers — only 8 retailers are. And the Amazon offer was after the forecast of 225K by Billboard that Lyndsey referred to in her article.

    But I do not believe she provided confirmation that SoundScan has an exception for digital albums sold at less than 50% MSRP. If you read then link that she provided, it only says that digital sales went up when there was an Amazon offer for the Aerosmith album — hopefully someone from Nielsen will clarify.

    I have passed a question to my Nielsen rep because now I am really curious. Because if you can hit #1 on the Billboard Album chart by selling a $0.01 digital album but not a $6.99 CD [Album MSRP of $13.99] than it is really useless and the rules do need to be fixed.

  194. Everyone knows that Lindsey’s an Adam fangirl. It’s a shame other fans would turn on her over something so trivial. She’s always been a big supporter of his.

    So… who’s looking forward to January at this point? Me, me, me! :)

  195. So attacking her over her attempts to be fair to both men, is really ultra lame. I hope people don’t do that, because it just makes them look bad.

    I have to say, I’m just SO over Season 8. SO OVER it. Season 9 can’t come fast enough.

  196. Agreed. That’s so lame and not like Lyndsey hasn’t established herself as a huge Adam backer and in fact it was the Kris fans that used to hate on her. So attacking her over her attempts to be fair to both men, is really ultra lame. I hope people don’t do that, because it just makes them look bad.

    I wouldn’t exactly call it ‘fair’ to both of them. IMO she marginalized Adam’s sales achievements to explain Kris’s. That doesn’t sit well for me. It would have been fair if she discussed them separately.

    ETA: I’m with you MJ. When does S9 start? can’t come too soon.

  197. But I do not believe she provided confirmation that SoundScan has an exception for digital albums sold at less than 50% MSRP. If you read then link that she provided, it only says that digital sales went up when there was an Amazon offer for the Aerosmith album ‘” hopefully someone from Nielsen will clarify.

    Well, I think she did, and I’m considering it CASE closed.

  198. No people shouldn’t be attacking her.. but she asked for it.

    Actually, if you read the comments — most of the posters are either disagreeing with her, many don’t want Kris and Adam compared at all anymore, and some are correcting factual errors. Only a few are actacking her.

    To Lyndsey’s credit, she has made three corrections to the article. Perhaps she should have fact-checked it first.

  199. I do think that in her article that Lyndsey Parker is making excuses for Kris.

    Adam outsold Kris because there are more people out there willing to buy his album, than Kris’s at this time. I don’t think that 3.99 sale on Amazon made that big of a difference in Adam’s sales. I think that he would have outsold Kris with or without that discount going on.

    And blaming the economy has been brought up a lot on the internet, but I don’t think that the shape economy is affecting Kris’s sales that much. Especially when other people are still selling pretty well, and Susan Boyle is expected to sell incredibly well.

    If more people were interested in buying his album and had decided to do so like they did for Adam, Susan Boyle, Justin Bieber, others who sold more CD’s than he has, then he would have had better numbers. But for whatever reasons, he didn’t have more people willing to buy his album, the first week it came out and that’s why didn’t do so well.

  200. No people shouldn’t be attacking her.. but she asked for it.

    Oh wow. I’m not even going to touch this. Ergh. It’s a cheesy karaoke show. None of it is meant to be that serious.

    Seriously. It’s not that de…oh wait, don’t want to get banned. But this is one of the instances it’s actually appropriate.

    I mean dude, it’s a stupid ass TV show, it’s not health care reform, no need to be a dick about it to people who aren’t being jackasses. Lyndsey wasn’t doing anything, but trying to make a reasonable argument, and whether you agree with her premise or not, it wasn’t insulting to either man. She went out of her way to try and be fair to both men when presenting her analysis. Granted that because some of her original data was flawed i.e. the 3.99 thing, that in terms challenging a conclusion that used flawed data, I agree on pointing out the fallacy of the data and how it could negatively impact their conclusion. I mean if I was looking it like something other than a nice article about two talented men from a cheesy karaoke show who are both just trying to make a living with their art. Which I am, so yeah, no.

    And even her bad data, or even if you totally disagreed with her conclusions, doesn’t mean that she should be attacked for presenting a polite, nice, reasoned argument. Disagree with her conclusions? Fine. Attack for having an opinion you don’t like? Lame.

  201. That is less than 5% of what Adam sold at Walmart (54K) ‘” not exactly what I would call Lambert country.

    Did we find out that that entire report was only Walmart?

    Most people outside AI believe ADam was robbed or the best singer didn’t win.

    I didn’t see any Gallup poll taken to this effect. So, we don’t know what most people think outside of AI. Most people outside of AI probably know very little about these guys. The only performance they might have seen of Adam’s was the AMAs.

    Last year, some people thought that the best singer didn’t win, but David Cook still sold more than Archie. There’s many reasons why someone wins a contest, especially a week to week contest where other contestants are voted off, loyalties switch *and* contestants must make song choices within a narrow subset.

    This is pretty much already settled in everyone’s mind.

    It’s settled in your mind. I understand that. I don’t think you can legitimately conclude that it’s settled in anyone else’s mind, let alone everyone’s.

  202. Q3 She mentioned this on her twitter. I clicked through from her article… I didn’t bother to search out any angry twitters to her.

  203. And even her bad data, or even if you totally disagreed with her conclusions, doesn’t mean that she should be attacked for presenting a polite, nice, reasoned argument. Disagree with her conclusions? Fine. Attack for having an opinion you don’t like? Lame.

    I’m not saying people should be leaving nasty grams… but she has been around the Idol world long enough to know what the backlash would be from the idol crazies. So, yes, she set herself up.. no pity here.

  204. I can’t believe any blogger or entertainment reporter gets bombarded with negative, hateful comments based off of their opinion on their blog or internet site. It’s supposed to be entertainment, not life or death, health or taxes. These guys go on these shows to “live their dream” and I wish success for all of them. That’s my opinion…I’m certainly not going to begrudge others their opinion.

  205. AND 4. FYE has a sticker on it with 4 songs listed ‘” FYE, WWFM, Music Again and Winners. Predict that they start performing Winners in the near future.

    It’s a CD sticker, not the Label plan of what the next single is going to be.

    But it’s a sticker! If they’re scratch-and-sniffs, that would be cool. Though perhaps FYE isn’t something I want to smell at this point. Or maybe they’re puffy (though not with paint) and have those glued on moving eyes. Or like they’re the 3D type thing, where if you press it, it changes colours. Given the cover art, that last one could be trippy.

  206. “Most people outside AI believe ADam was robbed or the best singer didn’t win. This is pretty much already settled in everyone’s mind. No matter what, Kris’s numbers are poor. There is no good way to spin it. I think she brought more attention to the low numbers by trying to justify why Adam’s was higher. Without any comparisons being made, Kris is just boring. People don’t get excited about buying a boring person’s CD. Sorry. Adam is more exciting to buyers.” – aladam

    I disagree with all of this comment.

  207. That is less than 5% of what Adam sold at Walmart (54K) ‘” not exactly what I would call Lambert country.

    I’m sorry, but where did you get that number? How do you know Adam sold 54k on walmart?

  208. I’m so invested in Kris and Adam that I don’t know how closely I’ll even be following AI9. Will have to see if anyone strikes my interest. I know I will be following Kris’ and Adam’s careers for (hopefully) years to come. But I would be more than happy to see the media get away from the Kris-Adam comparisons — the sooner the better, please!

    Moving on to happier topics (I hope), tomorrow should be a fun day. We have (1) Allison’s album dropping and her GMA performance; (2) Adam being on “Ellen”; and (3) Kris performing at the JingleBall concert up in Sacramento.

  209. “Q3 She mentioned this on her twitter. I clicked through from her article’ ¦ I didn’t bother to search out any angry twitters to her.”

    I did look at her @replies after she tweeted for people to stop attacking her. She is getting a lot of wrath, unfortunately. It’s too bad.

  210. “To Lyndsey’s credit, she has made three corrections to the article. ”

    Q3: What are the three corrections? I don’t see anything changed in the article.

  211. I wouldn’t exactly call it ‘fair’ to both of them. IMO she marginalized Adam’s sales achievements to explain Kris’s. That doesn’t sit well for me. It would have been fair if she discussed them separately.

    But I don’t see how she marginalized Adam’s sales (which we still don’t have any real numbers on, btw)? She used a 225K number (which is still just an estimate and I think too high of one) and said that it was a remarkable achievement and should be seen as really good.

    She just also put some context around things like timing, the publicity, the economy for Kris’s sales, which are valid, but she specifically said she wasn’t taking away from Adam’s sales or that it wasn’t a good album that deserved them, because she clearly feels that way. Just that Kris’s sales weren’t the end of the world. It’s not a zero sum game, is what I think she was saying.

    And I think every Adam fan would acknowledge that having sustained sales is also important and valid. And that both Adam and Kris will need to have sustained sales and Lyndsey was hoping, and I do too, that both men have that. I’m not getting the dissing in that.

  212. So again, how about Kelly, Daughtry and Cook being in the Billboard Top 50 for the year? Pretty cool huh?

    There’s plenty of success to go around folks, and my Idol’s success, or lack thereof, bears no reflection on your Idol’s success, or lack thereof. I believe that Cookie (my co-favourite, along with Kelly) once said something to the effect that that any one idol’s success only enhances the reputation of the entire idol brand, and therefore actually helps out every other idol.

    I liked Lyndsey’s article. She was balanced and respectful of both Adam and Kris. She provided some interesting analysis and food for thought. I try not to be offended by the comparisons, as the they occur EVERY SINGLE YEAR. The comparisons will tail-off as Kris and Adam gradually carve out their own unique identities, independent of the AI bubble.

  213. In any case’“no reason fans should be attacking her, which they are right now.

    That’s bullshit. Honestly, if your emotional investment in a tv contestant is so strong that you actually get angry and need to verbally retaliate against reporters and bloggers, it might just be time to step back a little.

    So’ ¦ who’s looking forward to January at this point? Me, me, me!

    Me too. I find that the repetitive fanwars at the end of November and early December are really when it’s at it’s most taxing. Don’t get me wrong, I love all the news about the idol kids. And, I really like talking about it. But, when the fanwars get vicious and start inflicting collateral damage all over the interwebz, it really does become a lot less fun.

  214. I’m an Adam fan (and to lesser extent Kris fan) but I thought Lyndsey’s article was quite good, balanced and just laying out POSSIBLE reasons for difference of sales, nothing more.

  215. She just also put some context around things like timing, the publicity, the economy, which are valid, but she specifically said she wasn’t taking away from Adam’s sales or that it wasn’t a good album that deserved them, because she clearly feels that way

    I think that in a way she did marginalize both guys, from IMO making excuses for Kris, to making it seem (IMO) like the bulk of Adam’s sales came from hype and stuff like that. I do think that Adam would have outsold Kris and sold well regardless of what happened on the AMA’s, or even if he hadn’t been on the AMA’s.

    As far as the economy goes, it manages to affects Kris’s sales, but not Adam’s? I don’t really think the economy is to blame for Kris’s sales, especially when there are other people that are selling well.

    And while Kris hasn’t gotten as much promotion as Adam’s gotten, I think that he’s still got a good amount of promotion for an Idol winner. He’s gotten promotion at the national level with stuff like Ellen/Conan.

    Adam sold more than Kris because there were more people that were willing to buy his album. Kris didn’t sell as well, because he didn’t have more people willing to buy his album. That’s what’s happened.

    IMO, there’s no point in trying to marginalize how Adam’s doing, or make excuses for Kris. She could have just written up separate paragraphs wishing them both well, since she seems to like both of them.

  216. I understand the competitiveness over sales, I really do. People get really invested in their favorite, and every year a sense of defensiveness sets in for some members of all the fanbases. Everybody feels like their guy/girl is unfairly attacked or the victim of passive aggressive putdowns or whatever. People’s nerves get raw. I get that.

    But honestly, it SOOOO doesn’t matter IMO. It really doesn’t. They are going to sell what they are going to sell no matter what anyone in the internet (or media for that matter) says. Idols have started out with all kinds of totals and ended up in wildly different places. And despite belief to the contrary, when one idol from a season does well it nearly always benefits almost everyone else trying to sell records at the same time, especially ones from the same season. And – shocker – often more than one per year will find some measure of success. Its not zero sum.

    Lindsey Parker made some good points to me. The gist was IMO – Kris may not have sold as well but his circumstances are somewhat different, plus he may not need to sell as much to make a profit in the long run. Adam did great and he had some cool stuff to help him reach those heights… Amazon sale, great press coverage since Idol ended – and it looked like he certainly made the most of his opportunities. Both men are talented and should be fine in the long run. The end.

    I don’t think what she’s saying is all that bad. And even if it was, it would not matter anyway.

  217. Lindsey Parker made some good points to me. The gist was IMO ‘“ Kris may not have sold as well but his circumstances are somewhat different, plus he may not need to sell as much to make a profit in the long run. Adam did great and he had some cool stuff to help him reach those heights’ ¦ Amazon sale, great press coverage since Idol ended ‘“ and it looked like he certainly made the most of his opportunities. Both men are talented and should be fine in the long run. The end.

    Amen sistah!

  218. “I’m so invested in Kris and Adam that I don’t know how closely I’ll even be following AI9.”

    Well last year I was heavily invested in Cook but I still followed AI8 even though no one from that season made me a fan. Some, like Kris and Danny, I like, but I wasn’t a huge fan of anyone, and I even remember in the early weeks of AI8 being horrified by how little talent there appeared to be, at least compared to the previous season. I remember thinking ‘I guess anybody can make it into the top 36 nowadays’.

    So even if your heavily invested in Season 8, you may find yourself watching 9 even if nobody in particular strikes your fancy, just to see what comes next. It’s what happened to me. :)

  219. I understand the competitiveness over sales, I really do. People get really invested in their favorite, and every year a sense of defensiveness sets in for some members of all the fanbases. Everybody feels like their guy/girl is unfairly attacked or the victim of passive aggressive putdowns or whatever. People’s nerves get raw. I get that.

    Perhaps my patience has just run out since I jumped aboard the online AI train in Season 5, but ya’ know what – I don’t understand. (I’m not picking on your Tinawina – I think you are a kind person for being so understanding.) I don’t understand defensiveness over people you DO NOT know. I understand defensiveness when someone says something bad about your mother, or picks on your kids. But, because someone doesn’t like the guy you picked in a reality tv talent contest? Nope, I’m never going to understand that.

    None of these kids are victimized. They’ve got a fabulous opportunity, and a crappy review or some venom spewed by a hater on a message board is probably not even a big deal to the people it’s directed at.

    My nerves tend to get raw about a lot of things. But, none of those things happen on the internet. I know we’ve sworn off quoting Adam but for real, of all the subjects in the world to get up in arms about, THIS ONE, is so not that fucking deep. So no, I do not really understand. I wish I could empathize better, but my empathy is apparently all used up on people with real problems. Having someone hate on your favorite reality tv character is not a real problem.

  220. I’ve read on different music boards that the Amazon MP3 sales do count. That sales rule only applies to physical CDS.

    Although I am kind of loling at the logic. If they counted, they didn’t amount to many units because Amazon sells so few MP3s. So what’s the big deal if they did count since it’s supposedly such a small number?

    And someone posted on the other thread that the update was Target not Walmart. Don’t ask me how but some people are really expert in those matters.

  221. I have to thank some crazy ass Adam fans, who because I was looking up the image for Anne Taintor’s wonderful “Am I The Last Sane Person On This Planet?” images, I adore her beyond words I found this great blog with other great stuff, like cool Day of the Dead stuff. So thank Adam Lambert, without you I wouldn’t have started watching this stupid ass show, nor looked on the web and checked out mj’s blog, or found out about Lyndsey’s article and crazy Adam fans responding to it, and therefore missed out on the AMAZING pillows of chicks with guns, and Day Of The Dead stuff, and these really great and reasonably priced mobiles, and like adobable tea cup cozies.

    So while the world of AI stans may be filled with cray cray, sometimes there are silver linings. If I Tweeted I would Tweet this blog to Lyndsey to make up for the cray cray fans being lame at her.

  222. SpenserJ
    “Perhaps my patience has just run out since I jumped aboard the online AI train in Season 5, but ya’ know what ‘“ I don’t understand. (I’m not picking on your Tinawina – I think you are a kind person for being so understanding.) I don’t understand defensiveness over people you DO NOT know. I understand defensiveness when someone says something bad about your mother, or picks on your kids. But, because someone doesn’t like the guy you picked in a reality tv talent contest? Nope, I’m never going to understand that.

    None of these kids are victimized. They’ve got a fabulous opportunity, and a crappy review or some venom spewed by a hater on a message board is probably not even a big deal to the people it’s directed at.

    My nerves tend to get raw about a lot of things. But, none of those things happen on the internet. I know we’ve sworn off quoting Adam but for real, of all the subjects in the world to get up in arms about, THIS ONE, is so not that fucking deep. So no, I do not really understand. I wish I could empathize better, but my empathy is apparently all used up on people with real problems. Having someone hate on your favorite reality tv character is not a real problem.”

    SpenserJ, it’s good to know that there is still someone like you who has such a sensible mind and wisdom to not waste so much silly emotion/energy on SOME Realty TV show guys who you do NOT know. I’m trying to do that myself and hope I can achieve that soon lol.

  223. JPFan…..there are so many experts on all these sites…..*sigh* soooooooo many! ;)

  224. Perhaps my patience has just run out since I jumped aboard the online AI train in Season 5, but ya’ know what ‘“ I don’t understand. (I’m not picking on your Tinawina – I think you are a kind person for being so understanding.) I don’t understand defensiveness over people you DO NOT know. I understand defensiveness when someone says something bad about your mother, or picks on your kids. But, because someone doesn’t like the guy you picked in a reality tv talent contest? Nope, I’m never going to understand that.

    None of these kids are victimized. They’ve got a fabulous opportunity, and a crappy review or some venom spewed by a hater on a message board is probably not even a big deal to the people it’s directed at.

    My nerves tend to get raw about a lot of things. But, none of those things happen on the internet. I know we’ve sworn off quoting Adam but for real, of all the subjects in the world to get up in arms about, THIS ONE, is so not that fucking deep. So no, I do not really understand. I wish I could empathize better, but my empathy is apparently all used up on people with real problems. Having someone hate on your favorite reality tv character is not a real problem.

    I’m with you SpenserJ, it is just a silly show. I like some of them and like seeing what they are all up too, and I even followed one last year, but in the end all of them will probably make more money than me, so what do I care? LOL. Snarking on Idols and the cheesy talent show that breeds them is a fun pastime, its more about having fun with the posters here IMO.

    Still, that me. I know for some its different. Whoever made that analogy about idol being like sports for chicks was dead on IMO. Some people pick their team and they root HARD. LOL. I don’t get it, but its not like I have to completely IMO. Whatever floats your boat, I guess. It doesn’t bother me too much except when I’m feeling exceptionally cranky or the nasty fan behavior gets out of hand. I guess I just don’t think any of it is THAT serious, even when grown people act like junior high schoolers on the internet over reality show contestants. ;-) Hey, if your happy, I’m happy. Unless I’m in a bad mood. Heh.

  225. I’m trying to do that myself and hope I can achieve that soon lol.

    Takes practice. I was once a semi-Taylor tard :) Although, I didn’t ever do the trolling the net for insulting articles so I could jump down the reporter’s throat thing.

  226. read but dont post but had to for this. Cook will never be as big as Daughtry hes not talented enough. His act is good for middleage women thats it. Guys aint into him. Voice not that great album sucked. His next album will fail. Daughtrys new album doing okay, but he gets play. Cook wont even get that.

    Well apparently my crystal ball says just the opposite of yours (if TPTB will get out of the way)

  227. I’m a former S5 tard myself. But I also never got the point of arguing with critics or reporters either. Why bother? Plus the crazy comments can make the fans and the Idol they’re defending appear to be psychos. Kind of counter productive in the end.

  228. I’m a former S5 tard myself. But I also never got the point of arguing with critics or reporters either. Why bother? Plus the crazy comments can make the fans and the Idol they’re defending appear to be psychos. Kind of counter productive in the end.

    Exactly jpfan, we just argued with each other LMAO :)

  229. S5 tard checking in. Also never did the mean comments to bloggers/critics/reporters. It’s a shame it happens. I do kind of understand the sports team rooting comparison. Personally, I just feel like it’s a waste of time and energy.

  230. I think that in a way she did marginalize both guys, from IMO making excuses for Kris, to making it seem (IMO) like the bulk of Adam’s sales came from hype and stuff like that. I do think that Adam would have outsold Kris and sold well regardless of what happened on the AMA’s, or even if he hadn’t been on the AMA’s.

    As far as the economy goes, it manages to affects Kris’s sales, but not Adam’s? I don’t really think the economy is to blame for Kris’s sales, especially when there are other people that are selling well.

    And while Kris hasn’t gotten as much promotion as Adam’s gotten, I think that he’s still got a good amount of promotion for an Idol winner. He’s gotten promotion at the national level with stuff like Ellen/Conan.

    I pretty much agree with this but I’m not about to tweet some nasty comment or make some defensive post on her blog. I just think the bottom line is that she’s making excuses for Kris and marginalizing Adam’s accomplishments. And I agree with Q3 that a far better topic would have been Kris’s chances at long term success. I’m sure there are many examples of artists that built slowly over time upon which she could have drawn to offer an encouraging word to all the Kris fans. Her article didn’t have to pull Adam in and offer a point/counterpoint comparison.

    I think her timing was lousy. This has been a rough week for Adam fans (because we’re all worrying about him) and on the brink of potentially great sales news, she comes along to what … tell us that Adam’s impressive sales in a bad economy are due to hype not talent and, oh, regardless of albums sold, Kris is making just as much money because of songwriting credits? What’s the point?

  231. S5 tard checking in.

    Roll call baby! Full tard disclosure: Jersey and I have met because I decided that my cousin’s bridal shower in NYC was an excellent excuse to see another Taylor Hicks show the night before LOL.

  232. I’ve never responded to or wasted much time on Lyndsey Parker, but I am enjoying her current situation. She was always so dismissive of David Cook — “quietly” sold 1.25 million records. Heh. Okay, Lyndsey. Whatever. Enjoy your feedback.

  233. And someone posted on the other thread that the update was Target not Walmart.

    The 1st update (37.17%) definitely included Walmart because Miley’s EP is Walmart exclusive. The 2nd update (54.98%) definitely included Target because Taylor Swift’s holiday EP is exclusive to Target and i-Tunes and there’s no way it sold most of its current total at i-Tunes.

    That having been said there’s nothing stopping HDD from splitting up the reports in different ways for different acts to be less predictable.

  234. Full tard disclosure: Jersey and I have met because I decided that my cousin’s bridal shower in NYC was an excellent excuse to see another Taylor Hicks show the night before LOL.

    And a fun time was had by all! I actually just recently had dinner at the same restaurant that we went to that night. The food was delish!

  235. I don’t understand defensiveness over people you DO NOT know. I understand defensiveness when someone says something bad about your mother, or picks on your kids. But, because someone doesn’t like the guy you picked in a reality tv talent contest? Nope, I’m never going to understand that.

    I actually think it is deeper than you think. People take the criticism personally because that’s how they perceive it…as a criticism of themselves – something they are drawn to and enjoy is being criticized and they feel they need to defend their own aesthetics and tastes. I’m not saying it’s right but there is something about the way the contest is set up that does this to some people. Isn’t anyone on here psychiatrist that could explain exactly what happens and why?

  236. SpenserJ
    “I’m trying to do that myself and hope I can achieve that soon lol.

    Takes practice. I was once a semi-Taylor tard Although, I didn’t ever do the trolling the net for insulting articles so I could jump down the reporter’s throat thing.”

    Hahaha I’ll never troll the net for insulting articles so I could jump down the reporter’s throat thing.. At least I’m wise enough to stay away from insulting articles in the first place. It’s this site that I spend too much time on these days and get upset sometimes over silly insults that non-fans of my favorite (Kris btw) made. This my very FIRST time ever tard over anyone (or any celebrity) who I DO NOT KNOW. So I hope will be the last time too as it’s too time & energy consuming and take away a lot of other quality things I should be doing in my life… I need to get a life back very quickly LOL

  237. Exactly jpfan, we just argued with each other LMAO

    I think you mean agreed. :)

  238. And a fun time was had by all! I actually just recently had dinner at the same restaurant that we went to that night. The food was delish!

    Oh, that place was yummy!

    Sometimes I wish that when people get down because Adam or Kris are receiving too much “hate” that we could bring up some of those old archives. I don’t recall anyone being more hated than Kat McPhee. LOL – half the posters here took to calling her *** because they refused to even type her name. Now, that was some extreme haterade. I don’t even think Danny had it as bad as the way Kat was treated around these parts.

  239. I’m a season 5 tard myself, and I just bought tickets to go and see Taylor and Ace in Grease in Charlotte on Sunday. I’m glad that Ace joined the show in time for me to see both. Should be fun!

  240. I don’t recall anyone being more hated than Kat McPhee. LOL ‘“ half the posters here took to calling her *** because they refused to even type her name. Now, that was some extreme haterade.

    OMG that ***** missed the concert the night I went and my 10 year cried the whole way home…I didn’t follow mj’s then, I thought I was the only one that hated her. J/K

  241. I actually think it is deeper than you think. People take the criticism personally because that’s how they perceive it’ ¦as a criticism of themselves ‘“ something they are drawn to and enjoy is being criticized and they feel they need to defend their own aesthetics and tastes.

    This is exactly how I’ve always viewed this and have said as much in the past. It really is popcorn time when people get all bent out of shape on ‘opinions’ that don’t mean much outside this blog. Changing or proving wrong one person will not change perception or success outside our little AI world.

    OMG they called McPhee.. ***** LOL That is the best.

  242. I actually think it is deeper than you think. People take the criticism personally because that’s how they perceive it’ ¦as a criticism of themselves ‘“ something they are drawn to and enjoy is being criticized and they feel they need to defend their own aesthetics and tastes.

    I do understand that. People want their choices validated in some way. I just don’t think they need them to be. Like whoever you like, and who gives a shit that other people think they suck? I know, that’s a tall order. That one takes a lot of practice too. I have discovered one sure fire way to accomplish that kind of thick skin though – just be a Jets fan. It’s worked wonders for me over the years :) (Since I’ve been a floridian for some time now, I should point out that being a Bucs fan works just as well).

  243. aek – if that show comes to Tampa again with Ace & Taylor, I’m totally going!

    OMG that ***** missed the concert the night I went and my 10 year cried the whole way home’ ¦I didn’t follow mj’s then, I thought I was the only one that hated her. J/K

    Oh, the missed concerts were the subject of endless debate here. You would have thoroughly enjoyed that.

  244. Oh, the missed concerts were the subject of endless debate here. You would have thoroughly enjoyed that.

    She was actually well by the time the concert got to Pittsburgh, it was going to be her first concert back, but her flight was delayed.

  245. She was actually well by the time the concert got to Pittsburgh, it was going to be her first concert back, but her flight was delayed.

    Here in Tampa, we were actually her first or second concert back on the tour. And, by then she had already broken her foot. She came out and only did like 2 songs wearing a gorgeous dress and a huge cast. It was pretty hilarious actually.

  246. Check your iTunes preorders, y’all- Im downloading Allison’s album now!!

  247. I think her timing was lousy. This has been a rough week for Adam fans (because we’re all worrying about him) and on the brink of potentially great sales news, she comes along to what ‘ ¦ tell us that Adam’s impressive sales in a bad economy are due to hype not talent and, oh, regardless of albums sold, Kris is making just as much money because of songwriting credits? What’s the point?

    Well that’s also a good point in explaining an emotional response to that article. And Q3 had a good point about maybe a good way to talk about Kris’s stuff, would have been to do just that and not put Adam in there.

    On the other hand I think what Lyndsey was doing was a pre-emptive strike because it’s, as we all know, inevitable that they were going to be compared yet again and there were going to be some unenviable things said about Kris as part of that. Which as a Kris fan makes me pretty peeved, but, sigh, I’m prepared for it. Though it will be a cakewalk after all the crap Adam pulled since the AMAs last Sunday, so maybe Kris fans should still count themselves lucky. It could be much worse. Trust me.

  248. jersey
    11/30/2009 at 10:30 pm

    S5 tard checking in. Also never did the mean comments to bloggers/critics/reporters. It’s a shame it happens. I do kind of understand the sports team rooting comparison. Personally, I just feel like it’s a waste of time and energy.

    Okay true confession, during season 8 my husband said, “Oh I get it, you see AI as I see sports!” I just about strangled him! Heh, so I guess I resemble that remark. LMAO!

    Thanks for the levity in regards to this! I get frustrated with things surrounding Kris, and I’ve commented on (I think) two other places, but neither time against the blogger themselves. Also, neither time against Kris’s competition. I do let out some frustration on here from time to time though. LOL.

    I’m also a DC fan and a year later, I just think he’s doing great!

  249. have discovered one sure fire way to accomplish that kind of thick skin though ‘“ just be a Jets fan. It’s worked wonders for me over the years (Since I’ve been a floridian for some time now, I should point out that being a Bucs fan works just as well).

    Amatuer. I’m a Cubs fan. I win! at losing that is. Oh wait, that sucks.

    It’s probably my fault Adam lost, because I liked him. Clearly I’m cursed. I also apologize to Mark on SYTYCD S4 as well for that.

  250. Check your iTunes preorders, y’all- Im downloading Allison’s album now!!

    Awesome! Little Spens will be so excited. She’s been anxiously awaiting the release of her Lava Girl’s music. Sadly, what she said was “I hope it’s as good as Miley”. But, she’s 5, so please forgive her.

    Amatuer. I’m a Cubs fan. I win!

    Oh, ouch. You’re right. You win :)

    Okay true confession, during season 8 my husband said, ‘Oh I get it, you see AI as I see sports!’ 

    Well, in fairness to all…… if anyone here was talking to each other the way my Gator-lovin’ husband talks to a Seminole fan….. we’d all be in moderation!

  251. Amatuer. I’m a Cubs fan. I win! at losing that is. Oh wait, that sucks.

    It’s probably my fault Adam lost, because I liked him. Clearly I’m cursed. I also apologize to Mark on SYTYCD S4 as well for that.

    Can you root for those two brothers on The Amazing Race?

  252. Re: the Lyndsey Parker article. I find it interesting how these same people who were cackling at Kris when multiple articles were on the internet jeering at him for his low sales debut in comparison to Adam are now losing their minds over this article and saying that “Adam was dragged into this article to justify Kris’s sales”. Oh, was that your same position when Kris was dragged into every article bragging about how Adam’s sales were brilliant compared to poor, pathetic Kris? If you’re going to be self-righteous and indignant, at least try to be consistent. The way I see it, the reaction from Glamberts over this article is hypocritical at best. So it’s OK for writers to bring up Kris’s low sales and then throw in a “meanwhile, Adam Lambert is blowing Kris Allen out of the water, which proves he was supposed to win American Idol”? Of course Glamberts will agree with that standpoint – after all, it gives them an opportunity to gloat and feel vindicated, right?

    And the reaction from Kris fans is hilarious too. This was hardly a glowing article on Kris, and yet Kris fans are so used to negative publicity that they scramble for the crumbs – which is what this article is: crumbs. It’s nothing to go crazy about, but I can’t say it’s not refreshing to see someone deviating from the normal standpoint online about these sales debuts.

    Adam fans will think that this “hype” Parker brings up has a negative connotation, but you can’t deny that it was there, and that it boosted his sales, something that anybody who is an Adam fan seems to be enjoying. Was it a substantial boost? Probably not. Like Parker said, Adam would’ve outsold Kris anyway. But I thought Parker brought up a valid point, and she shouldn’t be torn to shreds because she deviated from standard protocol in La-La-Lambert Land.

    Anyway, IMO, the point of the article was to shush the people who kept jeering at Kris and using his low first sales debut as a sign that he was going downhill from there and that he was the worst Idol winner ever, because that’s what the articles online were saying. I thought we all pretty much seemed to agree that someone’s first week sales debut is no sign of impending doom. Parker referenced Jordin Sparks’ success to back that point up.

    On the other hand, she also talked about the reason why Adam’s sales are higher, given all his advantages, while also acknowledging that even without such advantages, he would’ve outsold Kris anyway. Don’t know how BSC Glamberts interpreted that as Parker tearing Adam down.

    p.s. this isn’t directed to anyone on here, but to the crazy people tweeting Parker. They give me the heebie-jeebies.

  253. regardless of albums sold, Kris is making just as much money because of songwriting credits?

    How can that make anybody feel bad? It’s not like Kris or Adam are going to share their money with any of us (well, maybe if we become charity cases due to our blog addictions. Wandering the streets aimlessly and going up to strangers begging to use their iPhones “Please, man, I just need a hit! Just one post! I promise.” Then they might donate to a charity who might help us and then they are kind of sharing with us).

    Actually, you know, Kris is making more money than Adam right now because mechanical royalties are not subject to recoupment. It will be a while before either are out of recoupment. Mechanical royalty rates are 9.1 cents per track less than 5 minutes long. Kris has 1 solo credit, 3 half credits and 5 third credits (not including bonus songs). That means he makes 37.92 cents per album (if royalties are split evenly). Given he sold 80K in his first week, that’s $30,333. Meanwhile, Adam makes 12.1 cents per album. If he sold 225K in his first week, that’s $27,300. Woo! $3,033 in difference minus administration fees and managers fees and a zillion other fees which doesn’t result in much of a difference at all.

    Still, they both made almost $30K in songwriting royalties in one freakin’ week so I’m not going to cry for either one of them.

  254. If you’re going to be self-righteous and indignant, at least try to be consistent.

    Ah, this is why self righteous indignation rarely is a good look for anyone :)

    Respectfully though, I will take issue with the term “Glambert”. First, it’s a really stupid name. Second, it really only belongs to the people who’ve adopted it on that fanboard (they’re easy to spot – apparently, they’ve numbered themselves). Most Adam fans do not identify as a member of some club with a name. It’s sort of like how I was Taylor fan, but also utterly terrified of the Soul Patrol.

    Admittedly, I like both Adam & Kris, so I don’t have a group anyway. But – those nutters commenting on Lindsey’s article? We can’t actually confirm that they have a Glambert number. They could be Lambskanks for instance (although I do assume there is some crossover). Perhaps, they may even be crazy cat ladies who’ve latched onto Adam when they became disillusioned that SuBo didn’t really have enough cats to be called a crazy cat lady. One just never knows.

  255. I have to say, I’m just SO over Season 8. SO OVER it. Season 9 can’t come fast enough.

    I soooooo totally agree mj.

  256. I find it interesting how these same people who were cackling at Kris when multiple articles were on the internet jeering at him for his low sales debut in comparison to Adam are now losing their minds over this article and saying that ‘Adam was dragged into this article to justify Kris’s sales’ .

    Maybe you read more than I did on this regard, but I spent way more than I should on this blog and other Adam sites however I didn’t get the impression that Adam fans were cheering on Kris’ low sales.

    Kris’ sales at first worried Adam’s fans because Adam’s singles and radio numbers were not even as good as Kris’ and Adam didn’t win AI to begin with. Many fans used Kris’ number as reference to make their prediction about Adam’s album – the economy, the diminishing of AI charm, the shrink of AI fan base/buying power, etc.

    Then the HDD and billboard predictions came out and the discussion switched on to how Adam’s sales were in comparison to SuBo and Gaga’s (more on the mystery of SuBo’s sky high prediction) . Kris’ number was seldom used because it was not in the same tier. On the occasions when it was used, it’s about the importance of having hit single and radio support in selling records.

    There were articles comparing Kris and Adam’ first week numbers to make whatever point the authors wanted to make. But based on what I’ve read, Adam’s fans were not that into comparing numbers only to drag Kris down.

  257. OMG they called McPhee.. ***** LOL That is the best.

    Nah, I’m partial to “the kid who won” [tm hwc] myself.

  258. SpenserJ
    11/30/2009 at 11:35 pm
    If you’re going to be self-righteous and indignant, at least try to be consistent.

    Ah, this is why self righteous indignation rarely is a good look for anyone

    LOL I was being sarcastic :D

    Respectfully though, I will take issue with the term ‘Glambert’ . First, it’s a really stupid name. Second, it really only belongs to the people who’ve adopted it on that fanboard (they’re easy to spot ‘“ apparently, they’ve numbered themselves). Most Adam fans do not identify as a member of some club with a name. It’s sort of like how I was Taylor fan, but also utterly terrified of the Soul Patrol.

    Admittedly, I like both Adam & Kris, so I don’t have a group anyway. But ‘“ those nutters commenting on Lindsey’s article? We can’t actually confirm that they have a Glambert number. They could Lambskanks for instance (although I do assume there is some crossover). Perhaps, they may even be crazy cat ladies who’ve latched onto Adam when they became disillusioned that SuBo didn’t really have enough cats to be called a crazy cat lady. One just never knows.

    Yup, I’m aware of this, which is why I used the term Glambert. The saner Adam fans tend to not adopt this moniker. My post was not intended to generalize all Adam Lambert fans, because I know there are plenty who are not going to waste time tweeting a writer about how offensive her views are about Adam’s album sales, and there are plenty who are Kris fans as well who don’t appreciate it when Kris is being put down by these Glamberts.

    It’s a given that fans come to their favorite’s rescue when they are being attacked online, but Parker’s article wasn’t an attack on Adam and hardly warrants all the shit people are tweeting her, telling her how inept she is at her job and how she’s being bought off by folks at 19/Jive to pimp a pity article on Kris. I mean, THIS is why Glamberts have such a bad reputation. They come up with the weirdest shit and the worst thing is they believe it.

  259. Adam fans will think that this ‘hype’  Parker brings up has a negative connotation, but you can’t deny that it was there, and that it boosted his sales, something that anybody who is an Adam fan seems to be enjoying

    Adam had tons of negative hype over the AMAs, people were declaring his career maimed if not over. (er, I might have made some noises like that that craptastic performance and defensive asstastic interview afterwards) so this idea that hype is such a good thing for Adam, just doesn’t work for me. Not to mention that Kris has gotten his fair share of exposure. No, it hasn’t been Adam levels, but it’s been tons of promotion and actually more by his actual label and about his music, than Adam has had. And in point of fact he’s had more national level musical gigs than Adam has since the show ended. And maybe not so surprisingly, Kris has had better radio play numbers at this point. I’ll let the experts battle it out about the actual single sales with LLWD vs FYE.

    So I just have such an issue about this Kris never gets any press and none of it’s good and everyone in the media FLOVES Adam meme, when Kris has gotten good press and Adam has always gotten his fair share of detractors and this last week? Was full on hate-a-thon for Adam in a lot of quarters, so as I’ve said before, the media doesn’t care or love or like anyone beyond themselves. They will sell whatever, be it positive or negative, to achieve that.

    Anyhew, and tying it with Lyndsey, the hype thing kind of make me go ‘hmmmm,’ with her article, though I really did appreciate that she sincerely was trying to be fair to both and say good things about both of him. Which I really do appreciate. But oh well, path…intentions…all that.

  260. Perhaps, they may even be crazy cat ladies who’ve latched onto Adam when they became disillusioned that SuBo didn’t really have enough cats to be called a crazy cat lady.

    Wait. You have something against cats?… Or ladies.

  261. BeckyMD
    11/30/2009 at 11:46 pm
    I find it interesting how these same people who were cackling at Kris when multiple articles were on the internet jeering at him for his low sales debut in comparison to Adam are now losing their minds over this article and saying that ‘Adam was dragged into this article to justify Kris’s sales’ .

    Maybe you read more than I did on this regard, but I spent way more than I should on this blog and other Adam sites however I didn’t get the impression that Adam fans were cheering on Kris’ low sales.

    Kris’ sales at first worried Adam’s fans because Adam’s singles and radio numbers were not even as good as Kris’ and Adam didn’t win AI to begin with. Many fans used Kris’ number as reference to make their prediction about Adam’s album ‘“ the economy, the diminishing of AI charm, the shrink of AI fan base/buying power, etc.

    Then the HDD and billboard predictions came out and the discussion switched on to how Adam’s sales were in comparison to SuBo and Gaga’s (more on the mystery of SuBo’s sky high prediction) . Kris’ number was seldom used because it was not in the same tier. On the occasions when it was used, it’s about the importance of having hit single and radio support in selling records.

    There were articles comparing Kris and Adam’ first week numbers to make whatever point the authors wanted to make. But based on what I’ve read, Adam’s fans were not that into comparing numbers only to drag Kris down.

    Becky, I wasn’t talking about the people on this blog. Hence, the postscript in my post :) I was referring to the ones attacking Parker on Twitter.

    As for articles comparing Kris and Adam’s first week sales numbers, they are out there, and are being retweeted and relinked on the interweb. People who post here don’t compare Kris and Adam’s sales numbers; a lot of the posters here seem to have been following American Idol for a while now and know the drill. First week sales don’t determine the career trajectory of a contestant, winner or not. It’s the people outside of the Idol bubble who think these first week sales debuts are indicative of what should have happened in May and who should have won, and all these subjects for vindication.

  262. LOL I was being sarcastic

    Oh, lol, I got that. I was kidding :)

    Yup, I’m aware of this, which is why I used the term Glambert. The saner Adam fans tend to not adopt this moniker.

    I get what you’re saying here. And, obviously I was being somewhat facetious. My real point is that for some of the people who are new to this and haven’t been around the block as many times as we have, they might think that Glambert refers to a larger group of Adam fans. Also, as I’ve never visited the site where people call themselves Glambert, I can’t say for sure, but some of those people might be sane as well and equally horrified by those tweets to Lindsey.

  263. Wait. You have something against cats?’ ¦ Or ladies.

    Oh, I have absolutely nothing against cats. Grilled, they go really well with Pinot Grigio. Okay, I’m totally kidding. Please don’t call PETA :)

  264. Kirsten
    11/30/2009 at 11:34 pm

    Actually, you know, Kris is making more money than Adam right now because mechanical royalties are not subject to recoupment. It will be a while before either are out of recoupment. Mechanical royalty rates are 9.1 cents per track less than 5 minutes long. Kris has 1 solo credit, 3 half credits and 5 third credits (not including bonus songs). That means he makes 37.92 cents per album (if royalties are split evenly). Given he sold 80K in his first week, that’s $30,333. Meanwhile, Adam makes 12.1 cents per album. If he sold 225K in his first week, that’s $27,300. Woo! $3,033 in difference minus administration fees and managers fees and a zillion other fees which doesn’t result in much of a difference at all.

    Interesting stuff! Question: who determines what the mechanical royalties are and is it higher in Adam’s case because he has songs over 5 minutes long?

    Because in that case, if Kris really wanted the money he should have kept “Red Guitar” at its original 6 and a half minutes LOL :D

    ETA: @SpenserJ

    Point taken! :)

  265. How can that make anybody feel bad? It’s not like Kris or Adam are going to share their money with any of us (well, maybe if we become charity cases due to our blog addictions. Wandering the streets aimlessly and going up to strangers begging to use their iPhones ‘Please, man, I just need a hit! Just one post! I promise.’  Then they might donate to a charity who might help us and then they are kind of sharing with us).
    LOL!
    Kirsten- I rarely even read your posts after that “accidental” post awhile back but I read this part before I read your name. Now this is funny! It gave me a mental image that still has me smiling. HaHa

  266. I wasn’t talking about the people on this blog. Hence, the postscript in my post :) I was referring to the ones attacking Parker on Twitter.

    I lurk on other fans sites too but didn’t see Adam fans bashing Kris’ on his sales. I don’t read twitters on a regular base regarding idols so I didn’t have the first hand observation on that. From your description, I don’t find them interesting and won’t spend my time on them :)

  267. I don’t read twitters on a regular base regarding idols so I didn’t have the first hand observation on that.

    Twitter is usually filled with stupid people Tweeting useless things, anyway. Idol aside, so really, why make the the basis for anything? Well until Twitter is useful to me again and ceases to be the devil.

  268. Why Simon Cowell’s Americanized ‘X Factor’ Will Fail

    Nothing would make me happier.

    (Just thought I’d insert a comment on a Headline for variety’s sake. Carry on.)

  269. Kirsten- I rarely even read your posts after that ‘accidental’  post awhile back but I read this part before I read your name. Now this is funny! It gave me a mental image that still has me smiling. HaHa

    OMG! My life wouldn’t be complete without reading Kirsten’s posts. Whatever you do, don’t ever skip her Top 10 lists! (For real. No joke.)

    I lurk on other fans sites too but didn’t see Adam fans bashing Kris’ on his sales.

    I think what some people have been referring to tonight are the news articles that go with the whole “runner-up sold more than winner” stuff. We knew it was coming, had to be expected. Reporters do look for the easy story to tell when they’re on a deadline. Still, I can understand why it bothers people.

    Another reason that I thought Lindsey did an excellent job looking at it all from a number of angles, instead of just going for the easy headline.

  270. Wait. You have something against cats?’ ¦ Or ladies.

    Or is it something just against lady cats?

  271. Or is it something just against lady cats?

    Ah, ya’ caught me. The truth is, I just drank the Subo haterade. She creeps me out. So, I take every opportunity I can to throw in a little dig here and there. I no longer find the fun in busting Gokey’s chops, so you people have to give me a little leeway here.

  272. BeckyMD
    11/30/2009 at 11:59 pm
    I wasn’t talking about the people on this blog. Hence, the postscript in my post I was referring to the ones attacking Parker on Twitter.

    I lurk on other fans sites too but didn’t see Adam fans bashing Kris’ on his sales. I don’t read twitters on a regular base regarding idols so I didn’t have the first hand observation on that. From your description, I don’t find them interesting and won’t spend my time on them

    They aren’t on fan sites (at least, not to my knowledge). I think there was a whole thing about how the official sites should be clean and whatever because Kris and Adam are friends and so people tend not to air their grievances on the official sites lest they piss off moderators and/or Adam or Kris troll their official sites and see their fans bashing their friend, etc.

    The nastiness can be observed on articles like in Entertainment Weekly, for instance. Remember Slezak came out with the article about Kris’s debut sales? If you read the comments, it would shock you how hateful people are. Some people really wish for Kris to fail and were gleefully celebrating his debut sales paling in comparison to Adam. The Parker article we’re talking about also has a lot of these comments from Adam fans. Some said “Don’t tear Adam down to excuse talenteless Kris,” “America voted for Kris because he was cute and they don’t care for his music, hence the sales” blah blah blah. (the whole cute thing is funny, by the way. It seems to be implying that Adam isn’t cute haha).

    Oh, and yeah, and it’s probably good that you stay away from the Tweets. I honestly don’t know how people can fathom tweeting nasty things to people they don’t know. I’ve tweeted Lyndsey Parker before when I’ve disagreed with her views, but never in the fashion these people are doing to her now. It’s one thing to disagree with someone’s view, but to resort to belittling their expertise just because they don’t share the same opinion as you? That’s just not right.

  273. Kirsten posted accidentally?

    I bet it was her cat. Those felines can be really sneaky.

    I honestly don’t know how people can fathom tweeting nasty things to people they don’t know.

    For real. I’m flabbergasted at the rampant twitter rudeness. It’s like people turn in their manners when they sign up for an account. If I were a celebrity, my career would be in the toilet. I’d be wasting all of my time endlessly blocking my twitter haters.

  274. “OMG! My life wouldn’t be complete without reading Kirsten’s posts. Whatever you do, don’t ever skip her Top 10 lists! (For real. No joke.)”

    LOL me too feel that way about Kirsten’s posts! She is the main reason plus Kris Allen’s news, that got me hook to this site!

  275. Amatuer. I’m a Cubs fan. I win! at losing that is. Oh wait, that sucks.

    Sorry – being a cubs fan is tough, but at least your city has had the Bears and the Bulls (I won’t mention the white sox)…. try being a Cleveland sports fan… I think our whole city wins at losing!

    Hey, maybe that’s why I get so annoyed when my favorite is trashed… I finally back a winner and I want to enjoy it :D Maybe anti-Kris posts/tweets just remind me of Cleveland jokes….hmmmm… where’s a shrink when I need one??

    ETA: I totally blame my S8 obsession on the sad state of professional sports in Cleveland. The Cavs get booted from the playoffs within days of the finale… the Indians were already out of it… and the Browns… well, they’re the Browns. All of my sports fandom energy had to be re-channeled to something else, and there was Kris Allen :D

  276. Wow, it’s sad that Lyndsay Parker filled her article with about a thousand disclaimers about how she was not criticizing either guy and yet she still gets attacked by overzealous twitterers.

    I think there is a difference between minimizing someone’s accomplishments (which is what the angry twitter-ers are claiming re: Adam) and putting those accomplishments in perspective. I think Lyndsay was doing the latter. I’d bet money that RCA is doing the same as well. I would think they are breathing more of a sigh of relief over Adam’s numbers as opposed to pulling out the champagne.

    I also have an alternative theory (in addition to Lyndsay’s arguments) that one of the reasons Kris sold less than other Idols is because AI did a lousy job of presenting the contestants this year. They wasted so much time on judges and audience manipulation that alot of people did not form a personal connection with anyone on the show. People knew Kris as the cute, nice guy and Adam as the (probably gay) eyeliner wearing guy. Adam has had more of a chance to overcome this disadvantage than Kris through highly publicized interviews in Rolling Stone, Details, 20/20 etc. Those interviews were able to do what the show used to do but failed to do this year – i.e. making people feel like they understood Adam. People who have watched Kris’ interviews since the show complain all the time that AI completey failed to show how funny and precious he is. Unfortunately, the media hasn’t been that interested so only Idol obsessives have seen that side of Kris.

  277. SpenserJ
    12/01/2009 at 12:13 am

    For real. I’m flabbergasted at the rampant twitter rudeness. It’s like people turn in their manners when they sign up for an account. If I were a celebrity, my career would be in the toilet. I’d be wasting all of my time endlessly blocking my twitter haters.

    It’s not necessarily Twitter, which is why I don’t think it’s the devil LOL It’s just being online in general. The anonymity that the internet offers people is something that really draws in the crazies. People need to know that what you say on the internet tends to be exaggerated and stuff you probably wouldn’t ever say out loud, and this stuff can really do damage. Parker is exhibit A as a recipient of that nastiness today, and Jason Castro was too when he dared to disagree with Adam’s choice of performance at the AMAs. OMG the tweets to him were absolutely ridiculous. Adam fans were saying that Jason was a nobody and that he was just jealous of Adam’s success, he was being called a homophone, I mean Jesus Christ Twitter is supposed to be used for self-expression and now people can’t say something without fearing backlash of some sort from followers who you never invited to follow you in the first place!

    sunnysider
    12/01/2009 at 12:22 am
    Wow, it’s sad that Lyndsay Parker filled her article with about a thousand disclaimers about how she was not criticizing either guy and yet she still gets attacked by overzealous twitterers.

    I think there is a difference between minimizing someone’s accomplishments (which is what the angry twitter-ers are claiming re: Adam) and putting those accomplishments in perspective. I think Lyndsay was doing the latter. I’d bet money that RCA is doing the same as well. I would think they are breathing more of a sigh of relief over Adam’s numbers as opposed to pulling out the champagne.

    I also have an alternative theory (in addition to Lyndsay’s arguments) that one of the reasons Kris sold less than other Idols is because AI did a lousy job of presenting the contestants this year. They wasted so much time on judges and audience manipulation that alot of people did not form a personal connection with anyone on the show. People knew Kris as the cute, nice guy and Adam as the (probably gay) eyeliner wearing guy. Adam has had more of a chance to overcome this disadvantage than Kris through highly publicized interviews in Rolling Stone, Details, 20/20 etc. Those interviews were able to do what the show used to do but failed to do this year ‘“ i.e. making people feel like they understood Adam. People who have watched Kris’ interviews since the show complain all the time that AI completey failed to show how funny and precious he is. Unfortunately, the media hasn’t been that interested so only Idol obsessives have seen that side of Kris.

    Word, to everything. I know, it’s sad that she felt she needed to have disclaimers in anticipation of some kind of onslaught. And yes to this season not being fair in covering every contestant. Even the preliminary rounds, we never got to see Kris because so much time was spent on the people who were causing the most drama, and yet never even ended up through to Hollywood.

  278. The article seems ridiculous to me. I don’t like to spend hours writing page long posts or reading them. It all seems simple to me. Let’s say Adam sold 50,000 this past week. Kris would still be the lowest selling American Idol winner of all time.
    Adam’s sales are not in any way tied in to Kris’ sales. As an AI fan you could buy either cd, or both, or neither.
    Blaming Adam or making up excuses for Kris doesn’t take the disappointing numbers away. And they do suck.
    Why? I don’t know, I don’t think anyone knows.

  279. Why Simon Cowell’s Americanized ‘X Factor’ Will Fail

    If you think American Idol contestants have a difficult time getting acceptance once they leave the bubble, just think how difficult it would be for X-Factor contestants who don’t choose their own songs, have to navigate through the solid gold dancers through half their performances, are led around by a judge with little credibility, and are given standing ovations no matter how poorly they sing. Vegas is the perfect place for this kind of thing though: the land of lounge lizards, showgirls, magicians, and wild animal acts.

    By they way, would Simon be judging or just behind the scenes? Because, if judging, boy is that going to seem like a total Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde routine. Mr. Hyde on Idol and the kindly doctor on the X-Factor.

  280. tiger92
    12/01/2009 at 12:26 am
    The article seems ridiculous to me. I don’t like to spend hours writing page long posts or reading them. It all seems simple to me. Let’s say Adam sold 50,000 this past week. Kris would still be the lowest selling American Idol winner of all time.
    Adam’s sales are not in any way tied in to Kris’ sales. As an AI fan you could buy either cd, or both, or neither.
    Blaming Adam or making up excuses for Kris doesn’t take the disappointing numbers away. And they do suck.
    Why? I don’t know, I don’t think anyone knows.

    Where in Parker’s article does she blame Adam for Kris’s sales? Kindly point it out, because I don’t see it. Parker said that even without all the hype and all the focus on Adam’s AMAs performance, he would STILL outsell Kris. Doesn’t this just mean she thinks Adam would’ve succeeded just as well? Isn’t this a good thing? To me this was Parker affirming Adam’s talent and pull while on the show.

    Parker wasn’t linking Kris’s low sales to Adam’s as some kind of causation and correlation discussion. She was explaining the factors that contributed to such low sales, and on Adam’s side, explained what factors helped HIM with his high sales. The only linking I can see is that both came from American Idol, both had the same platform, and Kris is the winner and Adam is the runner-up. That’s it.

  281. Adam has had more of a chance to overcome this disadvantage than Kris through highly publicized interviews in Rolling Stone, Details, 20/20 etc. Those interviews were able to do what the show used to do but failed to do this year ‘“ i.e. making people feel like they understood Adam.

    That, is an excellent point. Adam’s extra press did give him an advantage in the sales department.

    The anonymity that the internet offers people is something that really draws in the crazies.

    And ya’ know, (warning, I’m about to say something pretty awful here), the world has always been full of anti-social assholes. Used to be, those types just kept to themselves in their house wearing their tinfoil hats. Then, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs set those nutcakes free. Every fucked up nutter who hates the world now has an internet connection and they are welcome to spread their douchebaggery all over the world.

    Outside of Ashton Kutcher, it was probably the most hardcore dickheads on the planet who were Twitter’s early adopters.

  282. regardless of albums sold, Kris is making just as much money because of songwriting credits?

    How can that make anybody feel bad?

    It doesn’t make me feel bad. I’m happy that the guy is doing what he loves and making money at it. We should all be so lucky.

    And the reaction from Kris fans is hilarious too. This was hardly a glowing article on Kris, and yet Kris fans are so used to negative publicity that they scramble for the crumbs ‘“ which is what this article is: crumbs.

    You’re absolutely right, Starr. In fact, she acknowledges that the Amazon special deal represented only a tiny fraction of sales and speculates that at most it might have lifted Kris from an 11th place showing to 10th. So if the number’s fairly de minimis, when you’re talking about a 120,000 product swing (200,000 minus 80,000) why devote a paragraph to it? Why say you always suspected Adam would sell more because of his higher media profile and then caveat it by saying, “of course, he’s polarizing and the negative publicity could have worked against him too” and then conclude – well it probably helped somewhat? Does that close the gap and make your case? I honestly don’t think so.

    Frankly, the whole article is just stupid to me. Yes, a lot of A-listers are selling poorly in comparison to prior years. Yes, Kris is getting good airplay and his single is trending upward. Yes, Kris is doing well in comparison to releases from other Jive artists. Yes, he will do well touring as Cook did and it will further support his album. Yes, he is making money from songwriting credits. All good valid reasons why it is way too early to declare Kris anything other than a new artist (which he is) starting out. Kris has always been a quick learner and a darkhorse. It will serve him well. Write an article about Kris … ’cause I guarantee, had the focus been solely on Kris – without dragging Adam’s name into it – this would have ended up being a much more positive article than this one turned out to be.

  283. Parker is exhibit A as a recipient of that nastiness today, and Jason Castro was too when he dared to disagree with Adam’s choice of performance at the AMAs.

    Twitter is supposed to be used as a marketing tool for those in the entertainment business. Jason walked into that one. A little common sense could have been exercised. He is an ex-Idol tweeting about an Idol. Don’t put your opinion out there in twitterland if you don’t want to hear opinions back.
    Also, “Glamberts” aren’t the only twitter fools. All fans of idols, movie stars, tv personalities, etc. tweet heated messages when a negative tweet is put out there about their favorite. Just look at the hateful tweets from fans of ALL the idols during the summer tour. No one was left untouched.
    I believe Danny, Adam and Megan probably received the most hateful tweets of all of the idols.

  284. have to navigate through the solid gold dancers through half their performances

    Just sayin’, but as a child, I had no greater ambition than to be a Solid Gold Dancer. Those chicks were the coolest things ever to my 9 year old self. Either that, or I totally had plans to win Dance Fever.

    (I went a little off the rails there didn’t I?)

  285. LOL!
    Kirsten- I rarely even read your posts after that ‘accidental’  post awhile back but I read this part before I read your name. Now this is funny! It gave me a mental image that still has me smiling. HaHa

    Note to: aa618892, input only from my mileage, lol, don’t ever, ever skip a Kirsten post. Skim perhaps and move on, but if you skip it you may just be missing out on the best wit to ever to hit mjsblog! JMO and again, ymmv. ;)

    ETA: I see SpenserJ concurs!

  286. LaurelG
    12/01/2009 at 12:36 am
    And the reaction from Kris fans is hilarious too. This was hardly a glowing article on Kris, and yet Kris fans are so used to negative publicity that they scramble for the crumbs ‘“ which is what this article is: crumbs. It’s nothing to go crazy about, but I can’t say it’s not refreshing to see someone deviating from the normal standpoint online about these sales debuts.

    You’re absolutely right, Starr. In fact, she acknowledges that the Amazon special deal represented only a tiny fraction of sales and speculates that at most it might have lifted Kris from an 11th place showing to 10th. So if the number’s fairly de minimis, when you’re talking about a 120,000 product swing (200,000 minus 80,000) why devote a paragraph to it? Why say you always suspected Adam would sell more because of his higher media profile and then caveat it by saying, ‘of course, he’s polarizing and the negative publicity could have worked against him too’  and then conclude ‘“ well it probably helped somewhat? Does that close the gap and make your case? I honestly don’t think so.

    Frankly, the whole article is just stupid to me. Yes, a lot of A-listers are selling poorly in comparison to prior years. Yes, Kris is getting good airplay and his single is trending upward. Yes, Kris is doing well in comparison to releases from other Jive artists. Yes, he will do well touring as Cook did and it will further support his album. Yes, he is making money from songwriting credits. All good valid reasons why it is way too early to declare Kris anything other than a new artist (which he is) starting out. Kris has always been a quick learner and a darkhorse. It will serve him well. Write an article about Kris ‘ ¦ cause I guarantee, had the focus been solely on Kris ‘“ without dragging Adam’s name into it ‘“ this would have ended up being a much more positive article than this one turned out to be ‘“ for both guys.

    Hmm I agree it would have been nice had Parker’s article focused on the individuals, and maybe she wouldn’t have gotten criticism for making comparisons. However, you can’t really say that what she did (comparing the 2 Idols’ album sales) was unique. Articles have been online in the past week comparing Kris’s low sales and Adam’s high sales, and no one was storming the gates then. It just so happens that this article was interpreted by some Adam fans as some sort of propping up of Kris at the expense of Adam, which is funny, because when it’s articles that prop Adam up at the expense of Kris, these same people either remain silent or they encourage it.

    I also honestly don’t think it would make that much of a difference had they been written about separately. An example would be bringing up Slezak’s EW article again on Kris’s low sales debut numbers. He talked ONLY about Kris. But what comments did that article get? All this talk about how these low sales were indicative of Kris’s failing career, he was never supposed to win, yada yada yada, the same effect all these articles linking Adam and Kris have now.

    And let’s say Parker wrote about Adam’s sales in a separate piece, but she still had the same position (just edit the stuff about Kris out). People still disliked the fact that she brought up how the controversy of the AMAs helped Adam instead of hurting him. For some reason people thought that was a jab at Adam.

    I thought Parker’s article was an attempt to respond to all these other articles floating around the net about how Kris is the worst Idol winner ever based on these initial sales. She’s basically doing what we do here at mj’s – injecting some perspective into what hasty conclusions people sometimes make in light of certain information.

    What she also attempted to do was respond to those same people who were declaring that Adam’s sales were all an indication that he should’ve won AI, was the most popular, etc. She’s saying that you can’t make those assertions without taking into account that several factors were in play that contributed to Adam’s popularity, factors that could have definitely affected his sales.

  287. ETA: I see SpenserJ concurs!

    But of course darling :)

    ETA: I totally blame my S8 obsession on the sad state of professional sports in Cleveland. The Cavs get booted from the playoffs within days of the finale’ ¦ the Indians were already out of it’ ¦ and the Browns’ ¦ well, they’re the Browns. All of my sports fandom energy had to be re-channeled to something else, and there was Kris Allen

    Oh my, I almost missed this. Wow, that really is just sad. Honestly, if it weren’t for that old Major League movie, I’m not sure I would have ever known Cleveland even had a baseball team. So, I’m guessing this would be a bad time to tell my little story about a few years ago when I got to drink beer out of the Stanley Cup? LOL

  288. kt_cle:

    Sorry ‘“ being a cubs fan is tough, but at least your city has had the Bears and the Bulls (I won’t mention the white sox)’ ¦. try being a Cleveland sports fan’ ¦ I think our whole city wins at losing!

    LOL! I think that’s why my husband may have some empathy for me, he’s a Cleveland sports fan! Mainly the Browns and Indians, but the Cavs as well. He is a college FB fan though as well, go Buckeyes!!!

  289. tiger92
    12/01/2009 at 12:40 am

    Twitter is supposed to be used as a marketing tool for those in the entertainment business. Jason walked into that one. A little common sense could have been exercised. He is an ex-Idol tweeting about an Idol. Don’t put your opinion out there in twitterland if you don’t want to hear opinions back.
    Also, ‘Glamberts’  aren’t the only twitter fools. All fans of idols, movie stars, tv personalities, etc. tweet heated messages when a negative tweet is put out there about their favorite. Just look at the hateful tweets from fans of ALL the idols during the summer tour. No one was left untouched.
    I believe Danny, Adam and Megan probably received the most hateful tweets of all of the idols.

    I never said Glamberts are the only Twitter fools; I was referring to a particular instance, tonight, where they besieged Parker with their nasty comments. Like I said, it’s one thing to disagree with someone, but to tell Parker that she is being bought off by 19/Jive to make Kris look good, or that she lost all credibility just because she dared to disagree with the opinion of her fellow Adam fans, that’s not something that I think people should be entitled to do on Twitter. But hey, maybe I’m an idealist, and I expect too much of people when I say that I expect them to be classy and agree to disagree, but not attack someone because they had a dissenting opinion.

    All I’m saying about the Twitter thing is that it seems all is well and good if what is said is something one agrees with. If it’s not, people feel entitled to lambast the person tweeting. If Jason Castro said “Wow! Adam’s performance was ZOMG amazing!” he would get tweets left and right from Adam fans telling him how awesome he is and how he’s a favorite, etc etc. And this isn’t just exclusive to Adam fans. Everyone is this way on Twitter; and my complaint is this exact fickleness. I hate when people are good to you if you do good by them, but when they disagree, you drop ’em like it’s hot. That’s all I’m saying.

    We can disagree without being disagreeable, to quote a certain someone Kris was tweeting about today :D

  290. Just popping in for a moment.

    @ColinGrafton: @DavidArchie’ ¦ I am using :’ To Be with you’  as my pairs (figure skating) show program for this skating season check it out!

    Thanks for posting that info GG. I LOVE that song. Every time I hear it, it makes me cry.

    Someone mentioned about the economy being an issue for CD sales, but I heard that black Friday and Cyber Monday sales are expected to be much higher than last year, so unfortunately for last year’s guys, it was a bad time to be releasing a CD.

  291. But hey, maybe I’m an idealist, and I expect too much of people when I say that I expect them to be classy and agree to disagree, but not attack someone because they had a dissenting opinion.

    Common decency is not too much to expect from people.

    Everyone is this way on Twitter; and my complaint is this exact fickleness. I hate when people are good to you if you do good by them, but when they disagree, you drop ’em like it’s hot. That’s all I’m saying.

    This is always hilarious to me, the way people seem to declare someone their mortal enemy for having a different opinion. My husband and I differ a lot in the political spectrum. We rarely vote for the same candidates. Many a lively debate is had in the Chez Spens. Yet somehow, after all this time, we can still be respectful of each other’s opinions, and the differences don’t seem to change the fact that we really dig each other. So, when strangers are hateful to each other on twitter over stuff that’s meaningless, all I can do is LMAO.

  292. I thought Parker’s article was an attempt to respond to all these other articles floating around the net about how Kris is the worst Idol winner ever based on these initial sales.

    Actually, I think it’s an attempt to preempt those articles which won’t really hit the net until the final numbers are in – this week.

  293. The nastiness can be observed on articles like in Entertainment Weekly, for instance. Remember Slezak came out with the article about Kris’s debut sales?

    And Adam has always had tons of nastiness about him on EW, lots of it personal and just ugly. The interwebz has been especially filled with anti-Adam statements vis-a-vis the AMAs and his subsequent interviews or whatever. I think there was only some swinging back, and only some mind you, when CBS did it’s blurring of the Tommy/Adam kiss and not the Brit-Brit/Madonna one. So as an Adam fans I thank CBS for their fuckery, as someone who is interested in equal rights, not so happy.

    Anyhew, loved the Slezak/Adam interviews. Very informative and talking about the music and they had a nice rapport. Very cute. I love Jim, but he’s not Slezak or Michelle Collins when it comes to Adam. But hey, different people, different rapports. Though gotta say at this point Slezak is pulling ahead because he’s gotten great interviews from all of Kradison and he really tried with Danny. I swears!

    Oh and speaking about Danny, I really wanted to say good for him in the newest promotions and I’m glad his information is being spread here as well as videos of this stuff. Whatever problems I ever had with Danny? the vast majority of his fans rock, so I’m always glad for you guys :D

  294. So, I’m guessing this would be a bad time to tell my little story about a few years ago when I got to drink beer out of the Stanley Cup?

    Yes, yes it would.

    LOL! I think that’s why my husband may have some empathy for me, he’s a Cleveland sports fan! Mainly the Browns and Indians, but the Cavs as well.

    Be kind to your husband, he’s suffered a lot. :D

  295. So, I’m guessing this would be a bad time to tell my little story about a few years ago when I got to drink beer out of the Stanley Cup?

    Sounds intriguing indeed, lol!

    Be kind to your husband, he’s suffered a lot. :D

    LOL, I’ve come to realize this! He used to be the eternal optimist, now he says the Indians will probably win the World Series the year after he dies.

    But hey, as a wise one once said to me, at least Cleveland is home to the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame!

  296. Actually, I think it’s an attempt to preempt those articles which won’t really hit the net until the final numbers are in ‘“ this week.

    Actually, it’s probably too late.My husband came home telling me about a story on his yahoo home page today declaring Kris to have the lowest sales of any Idol winner. The story also said Adam had sold 225K.
    (BTW, hubby never talks about AI.)
    I’m afraid these kind of articles are what most of those outside of the bubble will see and read. Parker’s article will mostly be read and debated inside the bubble. So, all it did was stir the shit some more.

  297. LOL! I think that’s why my husband may have some empathy for me, he’s a Cleveland sports fan! Mainly the Browns and Indians, but the Cavs as well. He is a college FB fan though as well, go Buckeyes!!!

    Yay a Browns fan! Tell your hubby “Hi” from one Cleveland fan to another! I love living in Ohio. Even though the Browns stink worse then David Cook’s poor Chiefs!

  298. Actually, I think it’s an attempt to preempt those articles which won’t really hit the net until the final numbers are in ‘“ this week.

    Oh good, something like that is needed, imo, and I’m surprised, but happy LP did this. I believe she explained the situation well, while still saying Adam’s album probably would have sold better anyway-which I agree with.

  299. Yay a Browns fan! Tell your hubby ‘Hi’  from one Cleveland fan to another! I love living in Ohio. Even though the Browns stink worse then David Cook’s poor Chiefs!

    I will! :D And I appreciate musicians who are also sports fans, because this describes my hubby to a T. ;)

  300. LaurelG
    12/01/2009 at 1:12 am

    I thought Parker’s article was an attempt to respond to all these other articles floating around the net about how Kris is the worst Idol winner ever based on these initial sales.

    Actually, I think it’s an attempt to preempt those articles which won’t really hit the net until the final numbers are in ‘“ this week.

    Well it’s not really preemptive if they are already out there. Just recently, the Access Hollywood article was released comparing the album sales of both Idols as well; of course, the headline was Kris “flopping” in first week album sales. Some headlines even edit out the part about it being a first week thing; they misleadingly say “Kris Allen’s debut album flops, has the worst sales of any Idol winner”. Trust me. I’m not making this stuff up. I would love to see nothing but positivity on the net about Kris, but it’s damn near impossible.

    Truthiness
    12/01/2009 at 1:15 am

    And Adam has always had tons of nastiness about him on EW, lots of it personal and just ugly. The interwebz has been especially filled with anti-Adam statements vis-a-vis the AMAs and his subsequent interviews or whatever. I think there was only some swinging back, and only some mind you, when CBS did it’s blurring of the Tommy/Adam kiss and not the Brit-Brit/Madonna one. So as an Adam fans I thank CBS for their fuckery, as someone who is interested in equal rights, not so happy.

    Well, many people were offended by the AMAs performance, so I’m not surprised he got crap for it. I’m not condoning the homophobic comments by some of those same people, though. I’ve noticed that the majority of articles on Adam though that elicit strong reactions are the ones that have to do with something Adam did. Like, say, for the Details photo shoot. He got a lot of crap for that too from people in the gay community. The OUT magazine controversy, the AMAs. Kris only has to EXIST and people are giving him crap just because they think he was undeserving of the AI crown. It could be an article on how Kris saves a baby from a burning building and SOMEONE is bound to pop up and say “But ADAM WAS ROBBED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    But in all seriousness, there is tons of crap on the interweb about Kris, and he’s not even polarizing at all like Adam is. He continues to heap praise after praise on Adam and all his peers, remains gracious and classy even when he’s being dogged when people ask him about Adam in interviews, and keeps dropping sincerely adorable phrases like “people should be nice to people” (re: Christians being nice to gays question in the LOGO interview) and STILL the one mistake that devalues all of that is that he had the audacity to win American Idol. Kind of sad.

    tiger92
    12/01/2009 at 1:44 am

    Actually, I think it’s an attempt to preempt those articles which won’t really hit the net until the final numbers are in ‘“ this week.

    Actually, it’s probably too late.My husband came home telling me about a story on his yahoo home page today declaring Kris to have the lowest sales of any Idol winner. The story also said Adam had sold 225K.
    (BTW, hubby never talks about AI.)
    I’m afraid these kind of articles are what most of those outside of the bubble will see and read. Parker’s article will mostly be read and debated inside the bubble. So, all it did was stir the shit some more.

    You’re right. It IS too late. I think Parker should have come out with this article sooner. Tomorrow, first week album sales won’t be the talked about thing anymore, as Kris will be doing a lot of gigs for these Jingle Ball things and the focus will finally go back to what really matters.

  301. Well, many people were offended by the AMAs performance, so I’m not surprised he got crap for it. I’m not condoning the homophobic comments by some of those same people, though. I’ve noticed that the majority of articles on Adam though that elicit strong reactions are the ones that have to do with something Adam did.

    Nope! There are ugly, homophobic comments on the album reviews. Adam can have an article about his charity and that will receive ugly comments. Hell, that’s happened here.
    I don’t care if Adam poses naked(well,I would really care!)- it wouldn’t justify homophobic comments. No one “deserves” those kinds of comments.

    I think Parker should have come out with this article sooner. Tomorrow, first week album sales won’t be the talked about thing anymore,

    There won’t be big articles on the yahoo home page about the jingle bell balls. People outside of the bubble aren’t going to read this detailed article about AI sales. (I barely got through it.) I read it as a bunch of excuses.
    Kris has the lowest sales of any AI winner. That fact doesn’t go away and you will see it mentioned in articles for a long time.

  302. But hey, as a wise one once said to me, at least Cleveland is home to the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame!

    I have been to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 49 times. Cleveland Rocks! I am waiting to see if Adam’s outfit from the AMA will land in their display case for the newer artists. :grin:

    I do feel Kris’ sales have been influenced by the economy. Also, so many Idols have CDs out and there’s only so much money to spend in a limited budget. I just hope he continues to do what he loves. Same with Adam.

  303. Tomorrow, first week album sales won’t be the talked about thing anymore, as Kris will be doing a lot of gigs for these Jingle Ball things and the focus will finally go back to what really matters.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think this will be the case. Generally, it’s only the inside-the-Idol-bubble people who are talking about the preliminary numbers, i.e Slezak, Parker (she really jumped the gun with her 225,000 figure) – with maybe a few outsiders picking up the story. I believe the mainstream media will wait until final numbers are in. But, truly, neither of us really knows … and we’ll find out soon enough.

  304. I will! And I appreciate musicians who are also sports fans, because this describes my hubby to a T.

    Yay I’m appriciated! I can multitask and be a music and sports fan.

  305. Clearly I’m cursed. I also apologize to Mark on SYTYCD S4 as well for that.

    Dude, that was your fault? Whew, I thought it was me. Did you also dig Ade last season? Travis and Natalie Season 2? Danny Tidwell? Anyway, please don’t root for Jakob, kthx, cuz I’m looking to improve my record to 1 and 5.

    Just sayin’, but as a child, I had no greater ambition than to be a Solid Gold Dancer. Those chicks were the coolest things ever to my 9 year old self. Either that, or I totally had plans to win Dance Fever.

    Hahaha. I’ll see your Solid Gold ambitions and raise you a Fly Girl. J Lo’s ass was such an inspiration.

  306. I don’t think Kris’ sales being talked about is even relevant. We’ve seen idols who sell big first weeks, tank later and that was the point Lyndsey was trying to make and ended up doing so in a weird way. As a Kris fan, I don’t really care if it is even talked about everywhere in the world, and I don’t think it bothers him. As far as he is able to sell enough in the end, which I think he will, it’s not a big deal.
    It’s only idol fans and the media who care about these. The music buyer who hears Kris’ music on air and likes it is not going to look at his low sales before buying.
    As Kirsten pointed out in the mediabase thread yesterday, he’ll make his big money from his songwritting anyway. In the end, he will be okay. I don’t think earning over $30,000 from 80,000 albums sold for songwritting credits only is bad at all for Kris. The media can write whatever they want. I now see why Kris is chill and Jive is so confident. He is really in for the long haul.

  307. According to AO, looks like Adam’s got a couple more appearances lined up. So it looks like any Adam fans who were concerned about ABC blackballing him or something can rest easy, his Kimmel concert performance will be on ABC.

    12.14.09
    Tonight Show w/ Conan O’Brien, NBC-TV

    12.17.09
    Jimmy Kimmel Live – Outdoor Stage Concert, ABC-TV

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