Idol Headlines for 11/28/10

Today’s Idol Appearances:

Ace Young and Taylor Hicks take part in the Hollywood Christmas Parade in Hollywood, CA, beginning at 6 pm.  The parade will air on the Hallmark Channel December 10, 8 am.

R Kelly super fan gets arrested
R Kelly super fan gets arrested

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Lee DeWyze performs at the Blue Martini in Orlando FL on December 4 for Mix 105.1 7-9pm.  Still hearing the rumor that Lee will tape a song for the Disney Christmas parade on Dec 1-2. via @dweezysignal.

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Crystal Bowersox tweets her thoughts on the Ohio BMV worker who got his job back after he was fired for snooping into Crystal’s personal records, “I hope Jay Wright’s union has told him its illegal to snoop in peoples personal info. Don’t do it again ok? Glad you got your job back.”

Plus, Crystal and her family are moving, “Well folks, after a long week w/ family, its moving day! First time in my adult life that all of my things will be in one same place.. home!”

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The Casey James Band is gearing up! They now have a website and facebook. Casey’s debut album is set to be released early next year by Sony Nashville.

Casey is with his family in Dallas for the holidays. Last night he played a gig at the Back Porch Tavern.

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More Headlines after the JUMP…

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Together for Care Telethon Preview featuring Kris Allen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QROLdalADj4

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Jason Castro to perform during West Chester’s holiday celebration

That’s right — the Old Fashioned Christmas Parade will return Friday with yearly favorites, like the appearance of Santa Claus, and new experiences, including the performance of American Idol contestant Jason Castro.

The parade will kick off at 7:30 p.m. on Dec. 3 and run from New Street to Gay Street to Matlack Street to Market Street. The main streets, Gay and Market, will close at 5:30 p.m., and some side streets will close at various times throughout the day.

If you can’t make it out to West Chester but still want to see the Old-Fashioned Christmas Parade, check out dailylocal.com on Friday, Dec. 3. Starting at 7 p.m., there will be live-streaming video from along the parade route sponsored by The 5 Senses on Market Street.

Read more at Daily Local

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David Archuleta talks about watching Sesame Street, squawks like a chicken for PBS pledge drive interview

via 66SDB

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David on Star Power

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVkTrrTwvZw

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David Archuleta @ ASAP XV – Sneak Peak of David w/ STAR POWER Finalists

JRforDAI

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SaturdayNightOnline Fan Q&A with David Archuleta

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City welcomes Christmas season with parade, tree lighting

Naperville officially kicked off the holiday season Friday with its annual parade and the lighting of the holiday tree and 300, 000 twinkling lights throughout the downtown business district.

“I’m going to count down from 5, because it’s way too cold to start from 10, ” former “American Idol” contestant Gina Glocksen said before flipping the switch that lit the tree in the Main Street Promenade.

Glocksen sang traditional Christmas tunes as part of a night that began with the Friends of Little Friends Electric Lights Parade.

Read more at Naperville Sun

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Keys, Lady Gaga to sign off Twitter for charity

Alicia Keys and Lady Gaga take charity work seriously, and they’re going offline to prove it.

Gaga, Justin Timberlake, Usher and other celebrities have joined a new campaign called Digital Life Sacrifice on behalf of Keys’ charity, Keep a Child Alive. The entertainers plan to sign off of social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter on Tuesday, which is World AIDS Day. The participants will sign back on when the charity raises $1 million.

“It’s really important and super-cool to use mediums that we naturally are on, ” Keys said in a phone interview from New York last week.

For the campaign — which also includes Jennifer Hudson, Ryan Seacrest, Kim and Khloe Kardashian, Elijah Wood, Serena Williams, Janelle Monae and Keys’ husband, Swizz Beatz — celebrities have filmed “last tweet and testament” videos and will appear in ads showing them lying in coffins to represent what the campaign calls their digital deaths.

Read more at the Associated Press

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Julianne Hough says ‘Burlesque’ moves tougher than ‘Dancing With the Stars’

Julianne Hough has moved on since her days of winning the mirror ball trophy on “Dancing With the Stars” and has been sharing the silver screen with the likes of Cher and Christina Aguilera in “Burlesque”.

However, the now triple threat actress/singer/dancer says that her days on “Dancing” were easy compared to her work in film.

“On ‘Dancing with the Stars’, you learn the dance, you dance the dance on TV, and then you’re done, ” Hough told Reuters. “Burlesque was months of preparation, and each number was shot over and over again, over 16-hour days.”

Read more at OnTheRedCarpet

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Darren Criss: Secret Recording Session in L.A.!

Darren Criss sets up his microphone in this JustJared.com exclusive pic at a top-secret recording session on Tuesday (November 23) in Los Angeles.

The 23-year-old Glee actor has had a jam-packed past few days!

See the photo at Just Jared

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233 Comments

  1. NiallOfficial Niall Horan
    Can’t wait t meet justin bieber tonight!!

    1D can’t wait to meet their Idol tonight. LOL

  2. I. cannot. get. past. question. three. in. that. saturday. online. interview.

    ive tried refreshing and 2 browsers, trying my 3rd one now… it cuts off at the same place… *rips hair out* lol

  3. Oh, frogcooke, I’ve watched the whole thing with no problems, but there was a slight hesitation in one place. :(

  4. booo. someone needs to put it on youtube in parts. Lots of peeps are having problems with it i guess.

  5. Nice that crystal took the high road on the snooper. Its hard to ‘wish’ anyone to lose their jobs in this economy no matter the circumstances.

    Where is crystal’s family moving to? Anyone know?

  6. mj, Taylor and Ace performed last weekend at the Hollywood & Highland tree lighting..according to these tweets last week by the producer that footage will be edited into the Hollywood Parade to air Dec 10

    JimRomanovich: This Christmas concert we did last night will appear in The Hollywood Christmas Parade this December.
    12:36 PM Nov 21st via web

    JimRomanovich: Come to Hollywood & Highland Nov 20th for our taped concert and tree lighting. this will be edited into Hollywood Christmas Parade
    10:08 PM Nov 15th via web

  7. I like how Crystal handled that question, with class, yet firmly stated again that it was inappropriate.

  8. I’m only getting the Sony logo when I click on the link for Casey’s band, but I guess this means they’ve gotten the web address & will be setting it up in the next few weeks. I’m excited to hear what kind of music he puts out, whether it’s bluesy like his pre-Idol stuff, or more mainstream country rock. I hope it’s a little of both.

  9. If this has already been posted, forgive me. I haven’t seen it here.

    The Alzheimer’s Foundation has posted a sneak peak of the Together for Care Telethon on youtube. Kris and Cale have a lot of face time in it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QROLdalADj4

    They will also be doing a national webcast starting at 9PM Pacific time on Sat. Dec. 4th. (I wonder if that’s a typo and should be either 6 PM or EST.) Read more here: http://www.alzfdn.org/telethon/details.html

    ETA: Corrected the spelling of Cale’s name because he is not a vegetable :)

  10. I am looking forward to hearing Casey’s new album. Is there any word on who is producing it? I think he has the best shot of a hit album from AI9 — best fit to a market, he is a very good musician, isn’t doing Country music because it is the way to make money (like a lot of rock cross-over artists), and fans think he is sexy. Plus, he is the only new Sony artist generating much interest on the SME social networking site — mostly by young girls who think he is sexy :) . (Not Adam or Pink level buzz there, but he has fans and people who are interested in him.)

    IMO Casey just needs a couple really good songs and the right producer — and he’ll be successful. All the other ingredients are there.

  11. The Alzheimer’s Foundation has posted a sneak peak of the Together for Care Telethon on youtube. Kris and Kale have a lot of face time in it.

    Elmo dancing to LLWD.. priceless. So adorable. Kris sounds great too.

  12. Q3– I completely agree with you!

    I have not heard who might be producing Casey’s album, but was a rumor out there that the lead singer from Theory of a Deadman might be working on the album with him. Very WTF, no? Casey’s camp is being very secretive, maybe trying to lay low and wait until next year to really bust out. We shall see!

  13. Where is crystal’s family moving to? Anyone know?

    In the last part of her FOX Toledo interview, Crystal said that she, Brian and Tony would be living in Chicago (mentioned that it was only about 4 hours from Toledo).

  14. it’s interesting that boy bands are so popular in the U.K. now — because they aren’t very popular in the States at the moment. The NKOTB/BSB tour will likely sell well, but that may be more people re-living their childhood than anything else. Can a new boy band make a dent on the US charts? IDK…

  15. Snippet of Sure Fire Winners just used on Fox going into commercial on Falcons-Packers game

  16. Q3:
    IMO Casey just needs a couple really good songs and the right producer — and he’ll be successful. All the other ingredients are there.

    ITA! Lee just flat out isn’t good enough and Crystal is too much a niche artist to sell a lot of albums, but I think Casey’s music will appeal to fans of several genres. He’s talented and has a good commercial sound that will capture the attention of lots of peeps if his album presents him right.

  17. The only album I am looking forward to is Casey’s! Nothing against Lee, but no interest there. Crystal is good at what she does but her music/style does little for me. But Casey…? I hope it is all I think it can be!

  18. I’m interested in hearing Casey’s album. My big issue with him is that he came off as a much better guitarist than vocalist on AI. Will his vocals be strong enough/unique enough to carry the album? And can he write/co-write strong songs? He’s got a lot of potential, but it’s no guarantee that he will be any more successful than Lee or Crystal.

  19. Kris performed 2 songs for that telethon. So LLWD and ??? (we’ve been told the 2nd song is not SMAYA, which seemed like the most obvious choice)

  20. I think it will be interesting what sort of following Casey can sustain and grow from his AI experience. The fact that he never got to even 20,000 twitter followers despite being active on twitter raises some questions for me. Not meaning to compare them musically or in other ways, but Danny was well past four times as many at the same point the year before, and his numbers continued to gradually grow during the months before his album release where Casey’s following has seemed relatively static.

    Having a decent-sized online following had a couple of benefits for Danny that may be hard for Casey to replicate. One, just the actual fan population itself as a source for people interested to buy Danny’s music, tour tickets, call radio stations on his behalf, etc.

    But also Danny’s visibly large following for a country artist helped secure the “doors opening” effect that Danny has mentioned – i.e., some of the better career opportunities he gained access to during his first year as a recording artist. And social media was among the impact factors weighed in the ACA nominations, so undoubtedly his twitter/Facebook/MySpace following helped Danny quite a bit in receiving a new artist nomination.

    It will be interesting as Casey’s FB page matures how many people join it. ~Only 300 people so far, although it just went up this weekend and a lot of people presumably don’t know it’s out there yet.

  21. The entertainers plan to sign off of social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter on Tuesday, which is World AIDS Day. The participants will sign back on when the charity raises $1 million.

    If we’re lucky, insufficient donations will mean they’re gone for good. Seriously, though, the gall it takes for multimillionaires to hold fans hostage in bad economic times. It’s outrageous.

    Each of the named participants could match the $1 million ransom demanded and not miss it.

    The charity President and Founder Leigh Blake’s compensation was $177,333 in 2008.

    http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=12359

  22. We also don’t know which way Casey is going with his music. Country-rock (a la Keith Urban)? Country-blues? Blues-rock w/ just a hint of country influence? The direction he goes could end up making a big difference in terms of commercial success.

  23. Crystal Bowersox tweets her thoughts on the Ohio BMV worker who got his job back after he was fired for snooping into Crystal’s personal records, “I hope Jay Wright’s union has told him its illegal to snoop in peoples personal info. Don’t do it again ok? Glad you got your job back.”

    He should never have been rehired after this incident but I’m not surprised the powerful public employee union was able get his job back, Crystal’s rights and privacy laws be damned.

  24. steph6449:
    It will be interesting as Casey’s FB page matures how many people join it. ~Only 300 people so far, although it just went up this weekend and a lot of people presumably don’t know it’s out there yet.

    I’m guessing that some of Casey’s biggest fans after his album comes out will be those who never once saw him on Idol and likely aren’t even aware he exists now. In any event, I don’t think it is his present audience that will make or break him. His support will come mainly from outside the Idol bubble, IMO.

  25. If Lee is struggling, I don’t see how Casey, who will likely even get less promotion, will be any more successful. Casey, like Lee will struggle more for acceptance in the industry (aside from still getting razzed for taking off his shirt), whereas I see Crystal as having more of the critics on her side. And the problem with the Casey and young girl fans – that’s usually the most transitional fan base. They eventually grow up and most move on. Also, Marketing is not exactly Casey’s strong suite. He seems to disappear for long stretches, comes back for a short time, then goes away again. Out of sight, out of mind.

  26. Kris looks cute in the sneak peak and Elmo’s dance is adorable lol.
    Maybe the second song that they performed is AWM? or FTA(it will fit the event)?

  27. I’m guessing that some of Casey’s biggest fans after his album comes out will be those who never once saw him on Idol and likely aren’t even aware he exists now. In any event, I don’t think it is his present audience that will make or break him. His support will come mainly from outside the Idol bubble, IMO.

    ITA with this! And that is the best audience one can get coming off of idol, audiences outside the bubble!

    ETA I think his success will be largely from his own merit and not so much as a connection to American Idol!

  28. Seriously, though, the gall it takes for multimillionaires to hold fans hostage in bad economic times. It’s outrageous.

    Each of the named participants could match the $1 million ransom demanded and not miss it.

    No kidding… and the amount of money that actually makes it to the people that need help is appalling, usually 10% or so only – donors have no idea how their money is abused and used for these “non” profit organizations. I wouldn’t give a dime to organized “non – profit”, “find a cures”. I give local only.

  29. I’m interested in hearing Casey’s album. My big issue with him is that he came off as a much better guitarist than vocalist on AI. Will his vocals be strong enough/unique enough to carry the album? And can he write/co-write strong songs? He’s got a lot of potential, but it’s no guarantee that he will be any more successful than Lee or Crystal.

    It will be interesting how they choose to market Casey, or the “Casey James Band,” as they get closer to the point of releasing music, setting up some initial live appearances, etc. There are a lot of very good guitar players in country music, some of whom are better singers than Casey, so I’m not sure they can over-focus on the guitar aspect and expect that to carry the day. His look also could work for or against him based on how he’s perceived. It may attract some fans, but he also could lose some ground if he’s taken too much as a pretty boy.

    I’m guessing that some of Casey’s biggest fans after his album comes out will be those who never once saw him on Idol and likely aren’t even aware he exists now. In any event, I don’t think it is his present audience that will make or break him. His support will come mainly from outside the Idol bubble, IMO.

    Could be. But if he wants to have a larger impact, any residual AI fanbase he has can only help him. There were only a handful of new country artists this year who debuted albums with more than ~30-40,000 sold their first week — regardless of how well they had done on country radio or how much favorable country music media they had received..

    There was some speculation Casey would outsell Lee. I don’t personally see that happening, but if he does IMO it will need some type of carryover AI fanbase as well as any audience he can attract from his forthcoming new music.

    Just going by observable indicators to gauge the size of Casey’s AI fanbase and the pattern for new artists releasing country albums in 2010, I have a hard time projecting more than 20-25,000 in first-week sales for Casey unless he gets a huge boost out of an AI10 appearance. Anything more than 20k first-week CDs sold would be pretty decent compared to many new country acts, and probably an ok amount to keep him going in the country genre.

    ETA: When is his album actually due out? During CMA Week I saw an interview where he said early summer. But more recently I’ve seen people citing an approximate timeframe of “early 2011.” I didn’t think they were that far along with forming the “Band” part of the act.

  30. I’m guessing that some of Casey’s biggest fans after his album comes out will be those who never once saw him on Idol and likely aren’t even aware he exists now. In any event, I don’t think it is his present audience that will make or break him. His support will come mainly from outside the Idol bubble

    But he also has to have a jumping off point. And Casey would not been signed if it was not for Idol. The reason why Casey went on AI was to jump start his career. He was working in the business for 9+ years and wasn’t having a lot of success. And granted, he can’t always just rely on the Idol fan base. But my guess is Sony Nashville will expect Casey to hit the ground running. I think one of the biggest fallacies that I often see is to assume that labels want to groom someone as a completely new artist without any Idol association.

  31. Seriously, though, the gall it takes for multimillionaires to hold fans hostage in bad economic times. It’s outrageous.

    Each of the named participants could match the $1 million ransom demanded and not miss it.

    I agree. Too often, wealthy celebrities push the public to donate to these causes without revealing their own contributions (which based on their income should be quite substantial). One exception is Sandra Bullock, who is often the first to make large donations when tragedy strikes (e.g. $1,000,000 to Haiti).

  32. I have no idea how well Casey will do. On Idol, I always felt he was great for a bar/small club performer, and it appears that labels felt much the same way pre-Idol. Now that he is signed, the question remains how will be adapt his sound to reach a greater audience and therefore elevate his career beyond the bar scene. Obviously, he decided to try out the Idol experience to do just that. I just didn’t see much signs of that expansion on the show. I’m curious how this plays out for him.

  33. n the last part of her FOX Toledo interview, Crystal said that she, Brian and Tony would be living in Chicago (mentioned that it was only about 4 hours from Toledo).

    Thanks. I was just curious. :)

  34. The charity President and Founder Leigh Blake’s compensation was $177,333 in 2008.

    I’m sure this will raise a few hackles.. but if this is his full time job, the compensation isn’t that high. The foundation is in NY & if he lives there then 177K doesn’t go far in NY.

  35. I think it will be interesting what sort of following Casey can sustain and grow from his AI experience. The fact that he never got to even 20,000 twitter followers despite being active on twitter raises some questions for me. Not meaning to compare them musically or in other ways, but Danny was well past four times as many at the same point the year before, and his numbers continued to gradually grow during the months before his album release where Casey’s following has seemed relatively static.

    This line of reasoning always bemuses me. There doesn’t seem to be a proven correlation between an artist’s number of Twitter followers and the number of albums they sell. Hell, Casey has only tweeted about four times in the past couple of months, so I guess I don’t see the significance of the Twitter factor, nor the constant comparisons to Danny Gokey (third place and signed to a country label similarities aside). There are plenty of very successful celebrities out there who don’t have Twitter accounts; it’s just not everybody’s style. Lest we forget, three years ago nobody had even heard of Twitter, yet artists were by-and-large selling more albums back then. Casey and his band will promote and release their album on a different timeline than is customary for most Idol alums, and I personally think it’s too soon to predict how successful it will be without more information. Of course, I can state my opinion that I think he’s got the best chance at success out of the season 9 batch, I have no concrete evidence to prove the actual outcome of his career at this point. Can’t wait to see how it unfolds, though!

  36. I just didn’t see much signs of that expansion on the show.

    IMO, Casey was not given the opportunity to show himself as a total package, the show focused on 1 1/2 minutes to present a song and judged on voice over substance. Casey’s strengths are his mad guitar skills accompanied by vocals. And his vocals are very good when he can put the two together without focusing on one or the other. He wasn’t able to show his ability with the time limits and themes of the show. You put him in front of an unsuspecting audience, say a fair or a festival, and he performs the way he feels at home, and the crowd will be taken in and be rocking out! They will leave remembering his name! (like I say this is just my opinion) :)

  37. Casey’s sound reminds me of the Allman Bros and to me that is a good thing. I think he will benefit from the AI audience to some degree but I think his success will come from folks who have never heard him before. I think the same about Crystal….their talent will take them where they want to go. I can’t say the same about Lee…his talent I don;t think will take him anywhere but back to the paint store. As far a David A and Danny G goes…I think they both are creepy so that ends it for me. Danny reminds me of one of the Village People in his bad-boy costume.

  38. ITA with this! And that is the best audience one can get coming off of idol, audiences outside the bubble!

    ETA I think his success will be largely from his own merit and not so much as a connection to American Idol!

    This was exactly the same thing said about Allison Iraheta.

    Casey is also signed to a label with an Idol alum – Kelli Pickler.

    Also in the few interviews he did during the CMA’s – they were more interested in talking about him taking off his shirt – than any serious interest in his music.

    Personally, I have never understood those who come off Idol and feel a need to diss it.

    One of the reasons for Carrie Underwood’s success is she has never forgotten where she came from. And Adam Lambert has always talked about the opportunities Idol has given him.

  39. Casey was my fave S9; but trying to be objective, I don’t see how he will automatically get all these fans outside the AI bubble.

    Every fan of every Idol always thinks that. And we all think our Idol’s sound will appeal because it appeals to us. Casey needs his AI fan base just as much as any other AI alum does. 19 is trying to give him a boost by having him perform on AI in the spring, after all.

    He is not going to get away from the AI association just because he is releasing in the Spring- it seems most of the country AI people so far release in the Spring (except Carrie who won and KLC, who they were just trying to make a quick buck off)- Bucky, Danny, Casey. I could tell from the CMA interviews (which frankly- most of them irritated me) the radio peeps are not going to let Casey forget he came from AI. Danny has been out 2 years, has a successful album, two top 40 country songs, has been nominated for a couple of country awards (ICM best inspirational country artist and ACA best breakthrough artist), yet he still gets asked about AI- and always will, IMO. And so will Casey. Even though some may think he is a good fit for country, it doesn’t change the fact that like Danny, he didn’t ID himself as a country artist until American Idol, so I think they will always grill him about it, it is now part of his history.

    I don’t think Twitter followers indicate fans always either; some people follow AI alums to search for ridicule fodder. But I think Steph meant it shows a general level of buzz, interest. I think Casey will pick up more followers when his music comes out- he really should if people are researching him out of genuine interest.

    OvenMitt: Isn’t that the name of the game, comparing Idols, lol? Not that I think it makes any difference to their career. Danny gets compared to Bucky, Adam, Kris, Kellie, etc. I’m sure Casey will get compared to other AI alums besides Lee and Crystal.

  40. Danny has been out 2 years, has a successful album, two top 40 country songs, has been nominated for a couple of country awards (ICM best inspirational country artist and ACA best breakthrough artist), yet he still gets asked about AI- and always will, IMO.

    Kelly was the first AI and the most successful Idol ever, and she still gets asked about AI, so any Idol just has to accept that will always happen.

  41. I don’t think Twitter followers indicate fans always either; some people follow AI alums to search for ridicule fodder. But I think Steph meant it shows a general level of buzz, interest. I think Casey will pick up more followers when his music comes out- he really should if people are researching him out of genuine interest.

    To the degree any of these people have larger numbers of people following them online, that seems all to the good to me. Casey isn’t starting from a very strong position in that regard, but it may be enough to gain him some advantage considering where new country artists tend to sell these days.

    I agree with indigobunting, many country radio stations follow AI, and they do ask about it in interviews. Casey won’t be able to disassociate himself from AI anyway (even less so as he may be out and about doing promo while AI10 is underway), and if he attempted to it possibly could backfire on him. Why not make the best of it and see where it takes him, along with whatever other marketing ideas they may have in the gameplan.

  42. Fuzzywuzzy, I agree, if Kelly Clarkson still is connected to it, I just don’t think any Idol alum can distance themselves from it. I don’t think the spring release for Casey is an attempt at all to distance him, I think that just seems to be the way country does it. If you don’t come in #1 or #2 you get signed later in country and it is rushed enough to get an album out in the spring after coming off the Idol tour.

  43. I don’t think anyone is trying to say that Casey will be disassociated with AI, just that many of his future fans will be from people who are not AI voters, and if that is the case he will have a fan base based on his material as a whole and not a pre-established fan base of the Idol type who follow their favorite no matter what material they put out. I am predicting he will be gaining fans because of his material and not so much because he was on Idol.

  44. just that many of his future fans will be from people who are not AI voters

    If it’s all about his future fans why’d he bother going on Idol. That’s the easiest way to avoid any stigma associated with the show. ;)

  45. just that many of his future fans will be from people who are not AI voters

    If it’s all about his future fans why’d he bother going on Idol. That’s the easiest way to avoid any stigma associated with the show. ;)

    I just threw that out there because of the comments about his small Twitter following seeming to indicate that he does not have a large fan base.

  46. Casey will be the success story from s9 because to put it nicely…Lee and Crystal suck. Their egos are too big to be in the music industry. They have an arrogance that is quite undeserved. Casey is someone who isn’t ashamed to have other people help him out with his album. Lee/Crystal just want albums where they write 99% of the songs regardless if the public will like them or not.

  47. MrDuffin:
    11/28/2010 at 3:31 pm

    Casey’s sound reminds me of the Allman Bros and to me that is a good thing. I think he will benefit from the AI audience to some degree but I think his success will come from folks who have never heard him before. I think the same about Crystal….their talent will take them where they want to go. I can’t say the same about Lee…his talent I don;t think will take him anywhere but back to the paint store. As far a David A and Danny G goes…I think they both are creepy so that ends it for me. Danny reminds me of one of the Village People in his bad-boy costume.

    Mostly agree with your post, especially regarding Casey and Danny. One of the biggest surprises from Idol IMO is that Danny has been accepted by Country. But he was available to whatever genre would accept him so apparently that approach paid off for him.

    I think Casey appreciates the opportunity Idol has given him but he is not going to rely on his followers from the show for a successful career. It really was not a good showcase for his talents but I have never heard him disrespect the show. Really looking forward to his album and I think he has the ability to really shine, if given enough freedom.

  48. Wow. I’m not a Lee fan, and Crystal either; although I may check out her album because it sounds promising (plus a fellow Danny fan listened to the whole thing and said it was really good) but I don’t think they suck. They are pretty talented to have made it this far.

    TBH, the music business is so fickle, who knows what will catch the radio PD and public’s fancy.

    One of the biggest surprises from Idol IMO is that Danny has been accepted by Country. But he was available to whatever genre would accept him so apparently that approach paid off for him.

    Yes, Danny’s voice is so versatile that he did have choices. And just like many contestants (like you mentioned for Casey) , the show did not showcase his full talent/potential, especially since the guy was completely a green performer- lots of untapped potential that we are just starting to see. I disagree, though, that he is completely accepted by country; many love him, but many PDs still do not accept him and won’t play him on the radio. He still has a lot of hard work ahead of him. And his fans have been very helpful there. That is why I think Casey needs his AI fans- maybe not as much as Danny, because I think he will have an easier time being accepted since he is twangy.

  49. Danny has not been accepted by country. And to say he is you are in la la land. Lets get him a hit then we will see with a second album.

    Anyone who watched Casey from the beginning and knows the country market knew this is where Casey was going to land if he was to sign a major label. It was very obvious. Casey has nothing to promote so your not going to see him on tv and stuff yet. Casey unlike Lee so far is going to be able to attract a whole new market within the country world. And unlike pop and rock selling 40 or 50 k in country as a knew artist is considered a success and unlike Danny Casey I believe will have the potential to have the radio success and be a star. Yes it might not happen but he has a much bigger chance then Gokey because country is who he is.

  50. Anyone who watched Casey from the beginning and knows the country market knew this is where Casey was going to land if he was to sign a major label. Anyone who watched Casey from the beginning and knows the country market knew this is where Casey was going to land if he was to sign a major label

    Did you take that verbatim from Brian Mansfield, Nashville insider? That is what he said about Danny, lol- although he said he could land gospel or country.

    I was a Casey fan from the beginning and a Danny fan and I disagree with that last statement. In my experience, most fans considered Casey blues/rock- no one mentioned country and just like a lot of Danny fans – there are plenty who are not happy he went country, and who are worried about the “countrification” of his rock/blues sound.

  51. Finally I watched the Orla Christmas Special on PBS with David Archuleta /some guest singers. His duet with Orla was so soothing. She starts out with playing the harp singing in Irish and David steps in. He didn’t need to belt out to harmonize with Orla. My family decided to order the CD/DVD to add to our annual Christmas CD collection.
    His interview on growing up with watching Sesame Street, squawks like a chicken is EPIC!! Thanks for the laugh, mj. I hope someday he’d sing a duet with Elmo or Kermit the Frog just like Chris Brown did.
    Sometimes, I forget he’s still a teen. It seems that 10 years have passed since he showed up in the music scene!!

  52. “Acceptance” has a lot of dimensions. Danny has had good but not spectacular results with country radio IMO, which is one very important dimension. He’s done quite well for a country newbie as far as album sales.

    In touring, he’s had some great chances to open for big-name acts and to establish himself reasonably well with his own solo shows at venues comparable to those where more seasoned country acts appear (and often out-drawing them). He’s also had good coverage by country media, featured performances at CMA Fest, the ACM week Fremont concert, and various other outlets. All of those to me can be thrown into the calculus for “acceptance.”

    Casey will do very well to receive a similar set of opportunities and make the most of them. Hopefully he won’t be subjected to all the country music purity tests that sometimes are thrown up at Danny online, as Casey could have his own troubles passing most of them IMO. I’m guessing that will be a lesser issue for him, as the regional thing will help him somewhat, and he’s a lower profile AI signee than Danny was coming out of the stronger, more widely watched AI8 season.

  53. Danny has not been accepted by country. And to say he is you are in la la land.

    LOL I think this was a response to my post. Poorly worded on my part because what I meant was that I am completely amazed by ANY acceptance or success he is having. I thought country would completely dismiss Danny.

  54. Some fans can consider Casey that but coming from someone who knows the country market up and down I saw it from the beginning. A major label was not going to sign him to a rock blues record. From caseys roots to his look to his sound it was pretty obvious. In my opinion it was people who didnt listen to country or understand it who continue to say or have said in the past Casey wasnt country.They dont like it so they did not want ot accept it.

  55. I’m interested in hearing Casey’s album. My big issue with him is that he came off as a much better guitarist than vocalist on AI. Will his vocals be strong enough/unique enough to carry the album? And can he write/co-write strong songs? He’s got a lot of potential, but it’s no guarantee that he will be any more successful than Lee or Crystal.

    I think Casey has got a pretty distinct voice, when you hear him sing you know it is Casey. I think Casey’s musicianship will atleast give him a bit more recognition from people within the industry. Of course whether that will earn him more fans is an entirely different question.

    I have no idea how well Casey will do. On Idol, I always felt he was great for a bar/small club performer, and it appears that labels felt much the same way pre-Idol. Now that he is signed, the question remains how will be adapt his sound to reach a greater audience and therefore elevate his career beyond the bar scene. Obviously, he decided to try out the Idol experience to do just that. I just didn’t see much signs of that expansion on the show. I’m curious how this plays out for him.

    Many people will of course judge Casey by what they saw on idols, which is fair enough since that is where most people actually saw him. However, away from idols Casey has been a much better singer and performer. His tour reviews was good especially towards the end of the tour.
    When it comes to Casey I will always have the feeling that idols perhaps wasn’t exactly the perfect competition or platform for him. For starters he is obviously much more of a frontman for a band then a solo performer, and being a good musician is not really something most idol fans cares about and doing short songs doesn’t really work that well for his style. But I guess it doesn’t really matter now, as Casey still managed to end up third.

    Season 9 was very unpopular, everyone pretty much knew beforehand that people from season 9 were never going to do as well as previous seasons. I sure Sony Nashville also knows this fact, they had no reason to sign Casey and they were under no obligation to do so, yet he was still signed.
    Season 9 was way more unpopular then season 8, so I don’t think anyone in their right mind would expect Casey to sell as much as Danny for example. By that same account Casey was just the third place finisher in this unpopular season, he received a lot less promotion then Lee and Crystal, so it is always going to be difficult for him to even sell equal amounts to them, on top of that his album will be out much later in a period when album sales are generally much lower. However, I am pretty sure BNA is very well aware of all these factors, and they are still willing to take the time and spend the money on him to produce an album, they must have some motivation for taking such a gamble. Whether it will work out or not remains to be seen, but I do think Casey has the potential to build a decent country career and BNA must have the same feeling.

  56. If you wanna know the PBS TV schedule in your area, start from here.
    http://www.pbs.org/tvschedules/
    Enter your zip code and once you get the schedule, type ‘Orla’ in the search box. You will find the broadcasting time in your area if your station schedules the Orla Fallon, Celtic Women Special.

  57. Crystal and Lee are by far the most popular S9 contestants right now. They got the most buzz and the most exposure from the show. The other Idols (Casey included) will have to rely on their own talent and hard work if they want to have a career in music. Casey has a big advantage because he’s signed to a major label, but nothing is guaranteed for him. He’s a lousy singer who got where he is because of his looks and guitar skills. He also suffers from an affliction that affected many other Season 9 contestants: blanditis. Good looks aside, he’s a very bland and forgettable guy. There is nothing unique about him.

  58. I watched several episodes of AI9 and never got the impression that Casey was a country artist. He seemed more like blues/rock guy to me with his playing and singing. Did he sing any country songs? As far as not being able to show his talents in his AI performances because he didn’t have enough time, that seems like a weak excuse to me. Many many others have been able to show themselves, their style and what makes them great in that minute and a half.

    I really liked his guitar playing, but his voice was very hit or miss for me. I wish him major luck though, seems like a cool guy.

  59. Mr.Duffin: I think you are “creepy.” Who else would use that word to describe Archie or Danny? Lol.

  60. Go back and listen to caseys songs. Heaven was sung with a country twang. He sang Kieth Urban. Its all over now had that country rock vibe. mrs Robinson had the bluegrass feel with the mandolin. Hold on and Jealous Guy were to songs I didnt get the country vibe from. Even Lawdy Miss Clawdy had the Travis tritt feel to it. so yes it was pretty obvious he was going to sign a country contract if he signed one.

  61. For Casey, I agree they probably have reasonably tempered expectations coming out of AI9, and when he’s not coming from a prior background in country music. I could see him taking a similar path to someone like a Josh Thompson possibly, who’s had a couple of medium songs on radio and been touring around the country. He’s not been a huge breakout success but he’s building a place for himself. I’m not sure where his total sits now, but Josh didn’t sell much more than 15,000 first-week copies of his debut CD. He’s still doing ok, however, and better than some other new artists. If Casey has a catchy first single and performs it well on AI10, it could really help him pick up some extra interest (if his album is ready for sale in time, I’m not sure what timeline they’re working toward).

    It doesn’t personally bother me where people come from who choose to try their luck in country music, but I don’t particularly recall any memorable country songs that Casey performed on the show, or hearing about any from the AI tour. The names I’ve heard mentioned in association to Casey’s possible management (one was in LA?) or album development don’t seem that “country” yet but maybe they are consciously going blues/rock with just enough country to cross-over, and not so much worried about mainstream country positioning or connections. None of those names seem to be confirmed, anyway, so may be moot to speculate from those sorts of rumors / hints at this point.

  62. Lol kmd!

    I have to say I totally agree with your definition of “creepy”!

  63. The “what is country” argument gets pretty tiresome, especially since there is no definition of country.
    There are many influences in country, including pop,rock, blues, and oh yes, gospel.
    Strong lyrics has been about the only repeated agreed upon element, with the singer’s voice foremost, vs. instrumentals.
    Carrie Underwood is dissed by many “purists” as being too pop and not country. I disagree.

    If you follow country then you will know many of the influences/blending and the historic dissing of those before also in the key of “not country”. You may also be familiar with PDs in country saying “We decide what country is” when asked for a definition. There is no standard definition,lol.

    As far as the Danny argument goes; I am going to the Avett Bros with my business partner and she saw Danny with me at one of his own shows. She is a hard core alt. country and traditional country fan who doesn’t listen to commercial country radio- too pop for her-listens to XM radio. She did however, love the show, thought he was very talented, great stage presence, called him “Pop-Country” and bought his album for her mom, a country fan.

    I think (hope) Casey has a good chance of being accepted by country; but I think it is just another Idol fantasy that he will have all these new fans at his fingertips. As far as him being country from the start, again Idol didn’t think he was, they paired him with Brett Michaels and steered him toward HAC ballads (Kara-so wrong). I am an alt rock fan, never attracted to Country singers – that is a good test for me that Casey was not country. There are certainly bands like the Eagles played on country radio that aren’t and I think there is room for blends, so I think Casey can do well.

    LVD, I think your post put it very rationally. I just don’t want to put these big expectations on Casey.

  64. Good looks aside, he’s a very bland and forgettable guy. There is nothing unique about him.

    I don’t think this describes Casey at all but it is a perfect description of Lee, except for the good looks. Casey was unique enough to have been singled out as one of the highlights of the tour by many tour goers and reviewers.

  65. Every rose would be a cross over hit today. And go back and listen. Casey sang it with a country twang. Its one of those songs that has a country feel to it.

  66. I was expecting Casey to release a techno album myself but I can live with country.

  67. Heaven was .sung with a country twang. He sang Kieth Urban

    Casey sang with a twang because he’s from Texas. It’s difficult to disguise, lol.

    A twang doesn’t make you country. Look at Gwyneth Paltrow. Great actress and not a bad singer-she faked a pretty good twang.

    And Danny sang Rascal Flatts, Leanne Womack, Carrie Underwood. AI contestants cover country artists all the time, doesn’t mean they are.
    To me, Don’t was country. Mrs. Robinson sounded 60’s folky to me. All others had a folk, rock, blues vibe- I agree with Cindy M.

    But I loved Casey and will follow him into country just like I did Danny.

    Lol, Superfudge :lol:

  68. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. I’ve only watched/read a couple of Casey’s interviews since he went to Nashville. In at least one I remember, he didn’t really describe himself as going for mainstream country. The country radio or media interviewer was asking him some leading questions from a country music viewpoint; Casey answered them but made a point of adding that his album would have “other” sounds on it. Presumably blues/rock though he didn’t elaborate.

    I was expecting Casey to release a techno album myself but I can live with country.

    Lol. Maybe I jumped to the wrong conclusion about those “other” sounds being blues/rock. Hmm, techno-country. Could be ;)

  69. I listened to an interview w/Casey and he was talking about his country influences, and he mentioned amongst others, Marty Stuart, Waylon and Willie, Steve Earl, Lynyrd Skynyrd etc. So I do not think he will be country in a traditional tear in your beer way, or this country pop stuff so popular now, but a more southern style music, country/rock/blues vibe. The kind of country that I could listen too!

  70. If it’s all about his future fans why’d he bother going on Idol. That’s the easiest way to avoid any stigma associated with the show. ;)

    Well he has said before that he didn’t really expect to make it pass the Hollywood rounds. He said that he didn’t think the format of the show was that well suited to what he does. He only wanted to make it to the Hollywood rounds so that he could get a better agent.

    Fuzzywuzzy, I agree, if Kelly Clarkson still is connected to it, I just don’t think any Idol alum can distance themselves from it. I don’t think the spring release for Casey is an attempt at all to distance him, I think that just seems to be the way country does it. If you don’t come in #1 or #2 you get signed later in country and it is rushed enough to get an album out in the spring after coming off the Idol tour.

    Well I only started watching idols very recently, and I never knew that Kelly Clarkson and Daughtry for example were on the show. I was actually surprised to find that out. The really successful idols are not successfully because of their idol fans, they are mostly successfully because they were able to attract non idol fans, and to a lesser extend they were able to keep to keep the idol fans they had. But the key properly lies in convincing people that you are not just another reality show contestant, but that you can also produce popular music.

    It is obvious that Casey will never entirely lose the idol association, I also dont think that is what they are planning. But using a bit of logic here, many people have repeated how unpopular season 9 was, and with many idols that have been signed previously there was a bigger focus on their idol fanbase, and a lot of the time that strategy just didn’t work out. It is very obvious that Casey just doesn’t have such a big fanbase coming from season 9 and because he was the thrid place finisher from season 9. Knowing all of these plain facts, wouldn’t it be a rather stupid strategy of the recoding company to focus squarely on his idol fanbase?
    As I said I dont think they want to lose the idol the fanbase, there will perhaps just be more of a strategy to focus more on country fans then idol fans. Which seems reasonable to me under the circumstances, otherwise why would they have bothered to sign Casey with so many obvious factors against him?

  71. I listened to an interview w/Casey and he was talking about his country influences, and he mentioned amongst others, Marty Stuart, Waylon and Willie, Steve Earl, Lynyrd Skynyrd etc. So I do not think he will be country in a traditional tear in your beer way, or this country pop stuff so popular now, but a more southern style music, country/rock/blues vibe. The kind of country that I could listen too!

    I saw one interview where he mentioned similar acts. It was interesting to me that he didn’t mix in a few more contemporary acts in that list somewhere.

    I wasn’t familiar with Steve Earle, just looked him up. Got too distracted from this to pay much attention to his musical accomplishments. Eeps.

    Earle has been married seven times, including twice to the same woman.

  72. I will always love Steve Earl’s “Copperhead Road” And I would never have known that personal info on him as I just cared about his music!

  73. I’ll admit up front that Danny was not my favorite from AI8. When reading through these threads, I have noticed that everyone talks about how he didn’t have the experience and what a raw talent he was. I am of the opinion that he didn’t fall off a turnip truck at the audition and just had this great untrained voice. I would imagine that as a choir director he was pretty proficient at reading and arranging music. He probably has a working knowledge of either the organ or piano. He should be aware of his range and the capabilities of his instrament. I’m sure there have been many people who have tried out for the show who didn’t have this knowledge. I hope Danny has a nice career but I hate when it’s intimated that he had no professional experience.

  74. Earle has been married seven times, including twice to the same woman.E

    Sugarland has a song about Steve Earle, lol, referencing this- from the last album.

    Lynyrd Skynyrd as an influence+perfect for me.

    Steve Earle- not so much.

    I have noticed that everyone talks about how he didn’t have the experience and what a raw talent he was.

    I don’t think you can equate Danny being a choir director with people who have had voice lessons and put out albums, or have performed for a living, or even as an amateur.
    Of course he has a knowledge of how to read music and sing- I doubt there has been any AI contestant who doesn’t have some ability there.
    It is indisputable that he has had no voice lessons like many, or performed on a regular basis, etc. I think we all know people who sing in church, or are even choir directors, doesn’t make them “having professional experience”. It is pretty widely acknowledged that Danny had never had a voice lesson or significant performance experience beyond church. Not saying he was the greenest ever; but certainly the greenest of most contestants these days.

  75. There were a lot of Casey fans promoting him during the season as a country artist and in seems that they were right since that’s the way he and his label decided to go.

    There seems to be a lot of rock influences in country nowadays, more than in pop that is gone almost completely rhytmic/R&B, so he could have a place.
    I think he has a reasonably high ceiling but also a big chance of selling almost nothing. I would guess that he doesn’t have half the idol fanbase that Danny had coming out of the show, but he could be more naturally embraced by country radio because he’s from Texas and his music is probably a better fit.
    All will come down to the songs of course.

  76. I am on the same page as above poster. If Danny was a choir director I would assume at some point he was in a choir. Choirs are trained in vocals and practice regularly, and directed by some one experienced. So if he was directing a choir he had to have had some formal training/experience.

  77. Anyone who wants to can be in a church choir. How do I know this- guilty as charged. No professional experience or formal training ;)

    Danny did play the Trumpet in HIgh School- does that count as formal training, lol?

    I think the ranks of Idol posters would have to be expanded to include probably most of us having formal training/experience under those definitions ;)

  78. Someone knows what happen with David Archuleta HYSAMLC in the AC charts?…..he was there a few hours ago in the 17 position, but now is gone :( is that normal? :|

  79. I’m just glad to see people having a discussion about Casey, like him or not. It beats nobody caring whatsoever!

  80. …doing short songs doesn’t really work that well for his style.

    This confuses me as most country radio singles avg 3 min and for the most part are all vocal, which means not much room for instrumentals. For example Easton Corbins’ new single has and instrumental ending that seems so out of place that you keep waiting for someone to start singing that I tried changing the channel before it before it was over. I guess my concern is if Casey couldn’t impress (and yes I know he impressed some) in a minute and a half no one is going to make it to the end of the song.

  81. Finally I watched the Orla Christmas Special on PBS with David Archuleta /some guest singers.

    It will show midweek in my area. I can’t wait to see it!

  82. I’ll admit up front that Danny was not my favorite from AI8. When reading through these threads, I have noticed that everyone talks about how he didn’t have the experience and what a raw talent he was. I am of the opinion that he didn’t fall off a turnip truck at the audition and just had this great untrained voice. I would imagine that as a choir director he was pretty proficient at reading and arranging music. He probably has a working knowledge of either the organ or piano. He should be aware of his range and the capabilities of his instrament. I’m sure there have been many people who have tried out for the show who didn’t have this knowledge. I hope Danny has a nice career but I hate when it’s intimated that he had no professional experience.

    From what I understand, Danny didn’t have any formal vocal training (i.e., from professionals) though he got some general encouragement, guidance at his church (and during school growing up, although he said in an interview that during those days he mostly considered himself a trumpet player, ha – frightening… ). Apart from the church music program, the only other “professional” experiences I’m aware of are his singing lead vocals on a couple of praise & worship songs recorded for a Christian album with his brother-in-law’s involvement out of Nashville.

    He does play piano, although with Matt and Scott on AI8 he wisely didn’t put that forward, lol. And for the past year plus he’s been learning to play guitar; not sure that is ever meant for on stage use, but it’s probably helpful along with the piano in other ways like Folgers’ ads ;) (http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTUwMzYzODQw.html)

    I suspect Danny got some good tips or help to prepare himself for AI — thinking about his audition song for one, which was really well chosen to show the strengths of his voice. Danny showed he had a good voice on AI, but it’s pretty evident that having been able to focus just on his music for the past year has helped him improve his vocal abilities, and what he does with them, even more.

    And he’s definitely put effort into growing some stagecraft skills to be more polished and more of an “entertainer” for his live show. He admittedly struggled with that on the show, and has spoken numerous times in interviews about making that a focus of touring this year.

  83. LVD, I think your post put it very rationally. I just don’t want to put these big expectations on Casey.

    I completely agree. Which is why I said that I dont think Casey will outsell Lee and Crystal initially.

    Casey can obviously do pop country he did Dont and You’ll think of very well. It wouldn’t surprise me if Casey does have one or pop country songs on his album. But I don’t see Casey making a complete pop country album. However, other bands like the Zack Brown Band are becoming more popular these days, so that might work for Casey. But who know we haven’t really heard to much about this album.

    Here is some photo’s from the gig Casey played at:
    http://www.backporchtavern.com/photos/image/172#image-load

  84. Casey will be the success story from s9 because to put it nicely…Lee and Crystal suck. Their egos are too big to be in the music industry. They have an arrogance that is quite undeserved. Casey is someone who isn’t ashamed to have other people help him out with his album. Lee/Crystal just want albums where they write 99% of the songs regardless if the public will like them or not.

    Wow, these are some strong words. What makes Lee and Crystal arrogant? Lee in particular seems quite humble to me, and still seems overwhelmed and shocked he actually won. Crystal has a very sure sense of who she is as an artist, but I still wouldn’t call her arrogant. I don’t know about Crystal, but Lee seems pretty malleable to me, and was just fortunate that RCA gave him so mch artistic leeway to write or cowrite all his own songs. I have a feeling though, that if they just handed him someone else’s songs and told him to just shut up and sing ’em , he would have done just that. He’s willing to do whatever it takes, and is eager to please TPTB. That in itself may well turn people off, and give him the reputation of being a wuss or a sellout (things he’s already been called), but it certainly doesn’t make him arrogant.

    As for Casey, I like him and enjoy his bluesy style very much, but I seriously doubt he will outsell Crystal or Lee, who won by an overwhelming margin. Casey is not going to get away from his Idol roots, no matter how much his fans want him to. The small size of his fanbase means he has an uphill battle ahead of him. That’s not to say he won’t be successful in country, but he doesn’t have a large built-in fanbase like Danny had out of the gate to give him a head start, so he’s going to have a harder time than Danny did, no matter how you slice it. Let’s see what happens with his first single. If it’s a hit, and he gets to perform it on AI10 in the spring, that will definitely give him a boost. He may do surprisingly well, and in time he may even become a star. But he has his work cut out for him, and as for outselling Lee or Crystal, I just don’t see it, and I certainly don’t see him outselling Danny out of the gate either. I predict he may sell about 25,000, which isn’t a bad number at all, considering he’s the third place finisher in a very unpopular season. I do wish him well, because I like Casey and would like to see him succeed.

  85. Oven Mitt , I agree, it is fun to talk about Casey for once ;)

  86. He does play piano, although with Matt and Scott on AI8 he wisely didn’t put that forward, lol. And for the past year plus he’s been learning to play guitar; not sure that is ever meant for on stage use, but it’s probably helpful along with the piano in other ways like Folgers’ ads (http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTUwMzYzODQw.html

    I always enjoy watching the Folgers ad, lol. I wouldn’t mind seeing Danny play the piano more. Whether it’s for stuff like the Folgers jingle or maybe at a concert some day. I think that him being able to play instruments is good, and I think that it could help him out with the song writing process.

    Even though he does know how to play some instruments, and I believe read music as well, he’s never had any vocal training. I believe he was in band in middle school, but I don’t think that he’s had any sort of vocal training.

  87. I was in choir for a couple of years, and since we rehearsed every week, I’d consider that informal training, anyway, since our choir director would correct us or make suggestions. So Danny had that anyway. But I think he didn’t really have any experience performing in bars, clubs, etc. prior to being on AI

  88. If it’s a hit, and he gets to perform it on AI10 in the spring, that will definitely give him a boost. He may do surprisingly well, and in time he may even become a star. But he has his work cut out for him, and as for outselling Lee or Crystal, I just don’t see it, and I certainly don’t see him outselling Danny out of the gate either. I predict he may sell about 25,000, which isn’t a bad number at all, considering he’s the third place finisher in a very unpopular season. I do wish him well, because I like Casey and would like to see him succeed.

    I don’t think that he will outsell Lee during the first week, his album is out. While I think that Crystal might outsell him, I think that his first week numbers might not be too far off from hers. And I could see him outselling both Crystal/Lee in the long run. Especially if he gets a couple of hits off his album.

  89. Anyone who wants to can be in a church choir. How do I know this- guilty as charged. No professional experience or formal training

    Was Danny a choir director or a worship team leader? These are not the same thing. In many churches, choirs are open to anyone who wants to participate (though they usually want people who can carry a tune). Worship teams are more like bands. They usually only have a few members, so it becomes much more important that the members can sing well and can harmonize together, because if one of them sings off-key during the service, it’s really obvious to everyone in the congregation. In my experience, even in a small church joining a worship team generally requires some prior vocal training. I don’t know how much experience is required in terms of arranging music, though, since most worship teams are trying to play songs in such a way that the congregation can sing with them, so creative arrangements are kind of counter-productive.

  90. I think there is simply very little info currently on Casey & his progress regarding his debut album to gauge how successful he will be – and I would refrain from saying he will have the most commercial success out of the Top 3 in Season 9 cos there is really no way of measuring it without giving it a time frame. I think right now people are interested in seeing how well his debut album will do compared to Lee’s and Crystal’s – if Casey has a big country hit, and he got all the great promotion opportunities in the country music business, plus he did well in promoting himself at country radio stations, etc, then his album might sell well. But again it is a big if. I think we’ll have a better idea on how well Casey’s album does when his first single drops.

  91. Danny’s pre-Idol background consisted solely of him singing in church and directing either a choir or worship team, I am not sure which. He didn’t even know he could sing until he was in his teens. As a choir or worship team director, he did know how to play the piano, and may have had a little experience with song arrangements (his performance of YASB was definitely rearranged with gospel elements and sounded better than the Joe Cocker original, YMMV of course). He does play the acoustic guitar now, although he has not yet performed with it. I’m not sure he ever will–but knowing how to play guitar is certainly a boon to him now that he’s taking the plunge and writing songs for his next album. I would love to see Danny whip out a guitar onstage sometime though. I definitely have a thing for cute WGWGs lol.

  92. What makes Lee and Crystal arrogant?

    In terms of their music, they are. From their interviews they truly believe they are amazing songwriters and musicians and they aren’t. Crystal had a fit when she thought her first single wasn’t going to be one of her originals. Casey who is probably ten times the musician/songwriter they both are is looking at longevity. He isn’t offended or “beneath” having songs written for him and has an open mind about this process. That’s a big advantage for him.

    As for Casey, I like him and enjoy his bluesy style very much, but I seriously doubt he will outsell Crystal or Lee

    I guess we’ll see. :)

  93. I saw Casey on the tour and thought he was great–especially the way he played guitar. I think he would be best in a band where he is the lead guitarist who also sings the lead vocal on some songs but may not be the main lead vocalist. I would love to see him jam with someone like Bo Bice for example.

  94. I’m not sure he ever will–but knowing how to play guitar is certainly a boon to him now that he’s taking the plunge and writing songs for his next album. .

    I agree that knowing how to play instruments will be helpful to him in the songwriting process, that he’s doing now.

    Also I remember reading somewhere that a fan said they did see and hear Danny play guitar during a Soundcheck. I actually remember seeing two different accounts mentioning him doing that.

    I remember it being mentioned one time that he played guitar backstage on “What Hurts The Most”. and then someone said they heard him play a guitar on a song. Maybe it might have been on one of his songs. I wouldn’t mind seeing him play that on stage one day, if he ever felt comfortable enough to do so.

  95. A person on my feed re-tweeted a tweet from someone who lives in Scotland talking about how excited she is about seeing Lifehouse AND KRIS in concert. Lifehouse is doing a one-week tour of the U.K. and Ireland in late February, so now some of us on twitter are wondering if they are taking Kris with them as the opener. When you go on their website Kris & Alyssa Bernal are listed as “special guests” right above where these tour dates are listed — but I’m wondering if that is just left over from the tour that just ended, or whether they actually will be going overseas with LH.

    All idle speculation, of course, and I’m thinking that tweeter from Scotland may be confused, but that would be cool if Kris got to open for Lifehouse for these dates (especially since it’s only a week-long tour, so wouldn’t take away too much from him working on album #2).

  96. That would be cool if Kris could perform in the UK! And yay! for the change of subject! :)

  97. Eh, I’m not sure I’m simpatico with the Lee and Crystal are arrogant because they want to play their own music thing but I may be showing my age. Back in the day it was expected that folk and rock types played their own stuff. I guess I need to get with the times. I did see a review of Crystal’s album written by a non Idol watching critic who said the only “dud” on the album was the song written by Kara and Nickleback, so maybe Crystal does know what she is doing for the long term.

  98. Also I remember reading somewhere that a fan said they did see and hear Danny play guitar during a Soundcheck. I actually remember seeing two different accounts mentioning him doing that.

    I read about that too. I think I would drop dead on the floor if I saw him playing guitar, especially if it was a song he wrote himself. There is a very real possibility his fans may be treated to that when he tours for his next album. Gah, I hope that happens! /fangirling.

    I still can’t get over how much he’s grown since Idol. Stuff like this is what keeps me hooked on this cheesy show.

    If Casey has a big country hit, and he got all the great promotion opportunities in the country music business, plus he did well in promoting himself at country radio stations, etc, then his album might sell well. But again it is a big if. I think we’ll have a better idea on how well Casey’s album does when his first single drops.

    Exactly. It’s way too soon to be predicting Casey’s success or failure. I doubt he will sell more than Lee or Crystal the first week–but over time he could possibly outsell them, depending on if his single has legs or not, and whether or not Lee gets another single that does better, or what single they release from Crystal’s album. There’s a lot of ifs. Casey’s fans should have realistic expectations. Casey has his work cut out for him and will have to work his butt off to achieve success, just like any other idol coming off the show, including the winners.

  99. I don’t think Casey’s fanbase is as small as some of you think. He came in 3rd even after the judges continually criticizing him, and also he was sick for more than half of his performances. He may not have the initial sales that Lee had, but I honestly think he’ll have more than Lee in the long run.

  100. I read about that too. I think I would drop dead on the floor if I saw him playing guitar, especially if it was a song he wrote himself. There is a very real possibility his fans may be treated to that when he tours for his next album. Gah, I hope that happens! /fangirling.

    Maybe we will get to see him do that some day. Also I wonder when Danny’s second album will come out. I think that it will probably be some time next year.

    Maybe right before/or around summer? I heard that he will be doing recording, I believe in early 2011. There is about to be a period coming up where he doesn’t really have any concerts/shows lined up. I think he will use this time to record for his second album. I also heard that he’s trying to get on a spring tour in 2011. I wonder if that might be with another big name country artist.

  101. That would be really cool for Kris if he could tour in the UK with Lifehouse. Hope that happens for him :) I really wanted to see them at the Rave when they were in Milw. but I was working.

    Toonces, I’d like to see Danny play guitar once during a concert too. I think he is too dynamic of a performer to stick with it much; he loves to dance around and run around stage- no way can he do what he does now with guitar in tow. But one slow ballad would be nice.

    Googletot- Yeah, we did good, didn’t we, considering the busing Casey received during most of the performances ;)We met our goal of getting him into the top 3!

    JX223- Who would you like to see Danny tour with in the Spring?

  102. what’s going on with Danny’s headlining tour…wasn’t he supposed to go out on that this fall? I know he’s had a handful of headlining dates in Oct./Nov., but it doesn’t seem to me like it was a tour so much as a handful of one-off events. did they decide against doing a full tour in favor of doing the Xmas single and working on album #2? or what?

  103. JX223- Who would you like to see Danny tour with in the Spring?

    I believe that Lady Antebellum will be touring in 2011,I think that him touring with them would be a nice fit. Especially since they like him, he’s opened for them before. Some other artists touring during 2011, are Jason Aldean, Kenny Chesney, Taylor Swift and Reba, but I don’t really see Danny opening for any of them.

    Hopefully he can get on a good tour for Spring, possibly with a big name.

  104. Girly girl, I believe you are correct. They started the tour with the Canada date and the two WI dates, but then I think between the AMA hosting thing, getting nominated for the ACA award (so I’m sure he’ll want to be there), and IWNSGB falling off the chart, they decided to do a Christmas single and start work on album #2.

    It will be interesting to see what he has going on this winter- right now there is only several SHF events, the Grand Ol Opry appearance, the National Anthem in Las Vegas in Dec., and the SHF charity cruise.

  105. what’s going on with Danny’s headlining tour…wasn’t he supposed to go out on that this fall? I know he’s had a handful of headlining dates in Oct./Nov., but it doesn’t seem to me like it was a tour so much as a handful of one-off events. did they decide against doing a full tour in favor of doing the Xmas single and working on album #2? or what?

    Girlygirl, his tour was cut short, first for Danny to record his Christmas single, and now it seems RCA wants him to return to the recording studio to start working on album #2. It seems there will not be a 3rd single from his first album, but Danny’s said he will be spending most of December and January recording and writing songs. No one is sure why they want to get another album out so fast, unless it’s so he can have new music ready for his spring tour and a third single for radio or possibly they want to repeat his success with his AI9 appearance last March and have him make another appearance late in AI10 to promote his second album. Well, that’s what his fans are hoping anyway; it’s all pretty much speculation at this point.

    What’s going on with Kris as far as his second album? I don’t really follow Kris, so I’m not up on what’s going on with him these days or what the plans for him are. I adore Lifehouse, but didn’t Kris already tour with them? How did that work out?

    Toonces, I’d like to see Danny play guitar once during a concert too. I think he is too dynamic of a performer to stick with it much; he loves to dance around and run around stage- no way can he do what he does now with guitar in tow. But one slow ballad would be nice.

    Danny is a powerhouse onstage, and I think a guitar would actually restrict him from all the moving/jumping around he likes to do, especially on uptempo songs. That may be the reason why he hasn’t performed with a guitar. However, I think on a slow ballad, where he usually sits down on a stool on stage anyway, he would do just fine with a guitar and he wouldn’t feel restricted. Aw, I think he might be shy! Danny honey, embrace your inner WGWG, lol

  106. but it doesn’t seem to me like it was a tour so much as a handful of one-off events. did they decide against doing a full tour in favor of doing the Xmas single and working on album #2? or what?

    I think that all of these single events that Danny had during the fall were his fall “tour”. I think he and label, just loosely called these group of concerts a tour.

    He currently doesn’t really have that many concerts coming up. He has an Opry performance in December and the ACA’s in December. (Though I’m not sure if he will end up performing on the ACA’s or not)

    He doesn’t really have anything coming up in January, or February, besides his cruise. I think that he will probably be recording during early winter like Jan/Feb.

    I had heard that he will going into the studio and doing some recording early next year. I could see him putting out an album next year, maybe during late spring or summer.

  107. just got confirmation from Kris’s manager/assistant that he is indeed doing the Miami Dolphins’ tailgate next Sunday. \o/ !

    tmg84
    @lizbiz8 Hey Lizzie. I was wondering if Kris is still doing Dolphins’ tailgate next Sun? I haven’t heard anything about this lately. Thx!
    1 hour ago

    lizbiz8
    @tmg84 it’s happening
    8 minutes ago

  108. I believe that Lady Antebellum will be touring in 2011,I think that him touring with them would be a nice fit. Especially since they like him, he’s opened for them before.

    That would be a good tour Jx223. They are a good fit musically; Lady A is definitely a soulful, pop country sound like Danny is. I know Danny would really want to be the second act, but not sure if the country world would move him up yet.

  109. Kris will have a full day since he also has a jingleball with the GooGoo Dolls that night. I hope both are with the full band.

  110. It seems that Kris’ appearances next weekend will not be all of KAB. This must be the acoustic set Torres mentioned on the Lifehouse tour with him on percussion(?).

    angabella

    #lizbiz8 thanks for the confirmation! I’ll be there, how about the rest of @krisallenband?

    lizbiz8
    #angabella not the whole band but an acoustic arrangement you guys haven’t seen before

  111. Kris will have a full day since he also has a jingleball with the GooGoo Dolls that night. I hope both are with the full band.

    I think that all of Kris’ shows in December will be acoustic shows, where he is accompanied by Cale, and at some shows Torres.

  112. Allison is doing some song-writing with Orianthi. Her tweets:

    # Just finished writin some dope shit with my girl @orianthi 13 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone

    Another song done!! Oh daaamnn!! 5:09 PM Nov 27th via Twitter for iPhone

  113. Back in the day it was expected that folk and rock types played their own stuff.

    That’s the way it used to be. My husband is always lamenting about that when he listens to the modern music our kids love.

  114. AllAccess has Lee DeWyze’s O Holy Night as a pick for HAC on its site. It says it’s on his album…..

    http://www.allaccess.com/hot-modern-ac

    For his sake, I hope not. Is that the ~bouncy live version that was posted here recently? Eeps.

    Maybe there is some alternate recorded version?

  115. Thanks for the videos on David A. He has been a busy guy. I saw the Orla Fallon special Friday night and Silent Night was just beautiful. Orla has a very quiet, soft voice, and David matched her beautifully. He could have so easily overpowered her, but he was matching tone and timber to her. What a respectful duet.
    The chicken squawks were so funny and classic David. He just doesn’t seem to worry about feeling silly doing something. Like he said in a recent interview that he makes mistakes all the time, and he has just learned to not worry about it. I am not saying the chicken squawks were a mistake. I am just saying David has become very comfortable with who he is, and he has learned to embrace the fact that he is different than most artists.

    I have read several people saying not so nice things about David’s song writing skills, and I think with what is playing on the radio now, that his skills are just fine. His song “Falling” is a beautiful song and if you know the story behind it, it was very introspective from a 14 year old. I think many people are turned off by songs that do not have a sexual spin and call them immature. I like the fact that David is having some fun, yet being positive in this time of much negativity. Most of the songs I hear on the radio make no sense to me at all.

  116. Of course fans will want their favorites to be huge hits, big sellers, but only time will tell what will happen with Casey. Let’s see where he is at a year from now.

    Because a year has passed for Danny and he’s earned some milestones that he can be proud of. Nominations for ACA Best New Artist. Nominations for Mainstream Country Artist and Mainstream Country Song for the Inspirational Country Music Awards. Opening for Sugarland, Lady Antebellum, Keith Urban, Tim McGraw. Headlining his own shows to very strong reviews. Playing the Grand Old Opry multiple times. Playing for Wynona Judd. Hosting the AMC’s and AMA’s orange/red carpets. And of course best debut week by a male Country artist in 18 yrs. #4 CD on Billboard’s overall chart.

    And most important, his record label is happy enough with him to green light a 2nd album.

  117. It seems that Kris’ appearances next weekend will not be all of KAB. This must be the acoustic set Torres mentioned on the Lifehouse tour with him on percussion(?).

    lizbiz8
    #angabella not the whole band but an acoustic arrangement you guys haven’t seen before

    hmm, arrangement that we’ve never seen before. Interesting.

  118. Lee’s O Holy Night on AllAccess doesn’t sound like a live version, but…well…I don’t think it sounds good at all. Different strokes, though.

    http://wm.allaccess.com/allaccess/leedohol.wma

    That’s the bouncy one, eeesh. Not good, bordering on disrespectful IMO. It may be the same version as the one I remember hearing a couple of days back, it seems similar including the strange croaking (and off-key) vocals toward the end.

    This is the one I remember, from a mention somewhere in the 11/23 Headlines thread.

    Lee DeWyze’s “O Holy Night” is on aolradio:

    http://www.aolradioblog.com/2010/11/23/lee-dewyze-o-holy-night/

  119. Oh yikes; I hope that is not true for more than one reason about Lee’s OHN.

    Why would they release that when he has SS on the charts?

    That version is truly horrific, to coin someone else’s phrase here.

    Well, they were wrong about it being on his album, so perhaps they are wrong about it being a single? You would think there would have been a press release.

  120. I have read several people saying not so nice things about David’s song writing skills, and I think with what is playing on the radio now, that his skills are just fine. His song “Falling” is a beautiful song and if you know the story behind it, it was very introspective from a 14 year old. I think many people are turned off by songs that do not have a sexual spin and call them immature. I like the fact that David is having some fun, yet being positive in this time of much negativity. Most of the songs I hear on the radio make no sense to me at all.

    I am certainly one of those critical of David’s songwriting skills. He needs to leave that to people who know what they doing. SBL and Elevator are two stinkers and if he had anything to do with those, it’s not surprising his album is not selling. I don’t need a song to have a sexual spin on it to like, I just need it to be catchy and memorable in a good way.

  121. Whoa…I shouldn’t have clicked on that link of Lee’s O Holy Night! It didn’t even sound like the same song….never a good idea to change up a classic song like that, especially a Christmas tradition like this one, IMO.

    Steph, do you have the link handy of Danny’s version of O Holy Night? Danny’s beautiful rendition has spoiled me by setting the bar pretty high on this song.

  122. Of course fans of Casey will think he can do no wrong and will be this huge hit, big seller, but only time will tell. Let’s see what happens a year from now.

    Because a year has passed for Danny and he’s earned some milestones that he can be proud of. Nominations for ACA Best New Artist. Nominations for Mainstream Country Artist and Mainstream Country Song for the Inspirational Country Music Awards. Opening for Sugarland, Lady Antebellum, Keith Urban, Tim McGraw. Headlining his own shows to very strong reviews. Playing the Grand Old Opry multiple times. Playing for Wynona Judd. Hosting the AMC’s and AMA’s orange/red carpets. And of course best debut week by a male Country artist in 18 yrs. #4 CD on Billboard’s overall chart.

    And most important, his record label is happy enough with him to green light a 2nd album.

    Danny fans are rightly proud of this guy many of whose own fans had serious doubts about how far he would go following Idol. I love the way he’s proving all the negative predictions wrong one by one and how the momentum seems to be building on itself. No, he’s not a superstar or a Carrie Underwood (yet) but he’s doing extremely well and has a bright future in country music. The secret to his success so far is that he’s been able to break outside the Idol bubble and now has fans who never saw him on the show or even knew who he was. I think a lot of this has to do with the smart way he’s been handled by RCA, and the rest has to do with him–he is motivated!

    I hope Casey is as fortunate, and gets the opportunities Danny has had presented to him, and that BNA handles him as expertly as Danny’s label has handled him. But is Casey as motivated? Casey seems to me to be a laid back guy who doesn’t care all that much about being a star, and just seems to be happy to get to make music for a living, and really that is all that matters. It will be interesting to see what happens when his album drops.

  123. I love Danny’s OHN, Lee’s not so much (and I am a Lee fan). Danny’s version gives me goosebumps all over. Lee’s folky arrangement is strange and disjointed and doesn’t really work for the song, IMHO. His vocal range is too limited for this type of a song.

    I was pleasantly surprised by Kris’s version, being that I’m not a big Kris fan–I think the rock arrangement is really cool and I really enjoyed this a lot.
    There’s a really beautifully sung Archie version of OHN as well.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d6hHb8-cA0

  124. Re Lee’s O Holy Night. The version that All Access has doesn’t sound good. Too many runs in the higher register make the song almost unrecognizble. While the version posted here – which I suppose is the same that AOL has (haven’t listened to AOL’s) – is more uptempo, he sticks to the melody more. That one is pretty good. I’d still like to hear that song in an acoustic version closest to the original melody and tempo as possible.

  125. Ahh…thanks Steph! Even better than I remembered…just beautiful!

    I wonder if there is a chance Danny might sing “O Holy Night” when he goes to the Grand Ole Opry this month, along with his new Christmas single “Tennessee Christmas”? I would love to be there for that!

  126. Lee’s version of O Holy Night is a hot mess. He truly lacks the ability to interpret the true emotion of a song and adds weird vocal tics instead. The most irritating thing about his voice is the nonexistence of any breathe control. He cuts off the end of Every…Single… Lyric because of that. Maybe a vocal coach could help but he had access to at least two on idol, so it seems like a problem that can’t be fixed.

    I’ve listened to his album, walmart soundcheck and a couple of his live performances and I still just don’t get this dude or how anyone thinks he’s some sort of great singer or songwriter for that matter or potential star. Sorry Lee fans, but I’ve been befuddled since the pimping of this dude during his idol season and I’m still puzzled.

  127. CindyM:
    11/28/2010 at 10:36 pm
    Allison is doing some song-writing with Orianthi. Her tweets:

    # Just finished writin some dope shit with my girl @orianthi 13 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone

    Another song done!! Oh daaamnn!! 5:09 PM Nov 27th via Twitter for iPhone

    This makes me so happy! Alli and Ori together, as a band, (ya, I know I’m jumping a bit here) would be awesome!

  128. The secret to his success so far is that he’s been able to break outside the Idol bubble and now has fans who never saw him on the show or even knew who he was. I think a lot of this has to do with the smart way he’s been handled by RCA, and the rest has to do with him–he is motivated!

    ITA. Danny continues to sell several thousand copies of his My Best Days CD each month. The CD been out for almost 10 mos now. So he has to be selling to new fans. I don’t think even the most loyal fans have the deep pockets to keep buying several thousand copies of his album month over month, lol.

  129. I definitely disagree about David’s songwriting skills. I think David has had a hand in writing some very well-written songs. But even if I did think he lacked songwriting skills, I wouldn’t think he should just leave it to others. How would he get better at it if he stopped? He is only 19 years old and this was the first album he made where he had a hand in writing the majority of it. I definitely think he can continue to grow and become a better songwriter. Why should he give up on songwriting at 19. That doesn’t make any sense to me.
    And the songs you called stinkers he didn’t write them by himself. He wrote them with professional songwriters.

  130. David Archuleta sure has been busy. Thank you MJ for posting all the videos, he is so genuine and like a read above so comfortable in who he is.

    His song “Falling” is a beautiful song and if you know the story behind it, it was very introspective from a 14 year old. I think many people are turned off by songs that do not have a sexual spin and call them immature. I like the fact that David is having some fun, yet being positive in this time of much negativity. Most of the songs I hear on the radio make no sense to me at all.

    I agree wholeheartedly with you and yes I think David’s writing skills are perfect for the type of music I like to hear.

    I just need it to be catchy and memorable in a good way.

    Interesting, it must be just a matter of taste because these songs are just that, catchy and memorable. The lack of album sales in one part is the fact that The Other Side Of Down is one of the highest downloaded albums in all those sites that keep coming up on my google alerts offering me a free download, very sad.

    Ouch, that OHN by Lee was not good.

    This IMO is the way it should be performed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_fwixLivXong.

  131. Thanks to everyone that provided the links to the different Idols singing “O Holy Night”!

    My favorite is still Danny’s, because I just love his voice and the sincere emotion he brings to it, although I definitely enjoyed most of the other versions as well. One thing I think we can all agree on is this is a beautiful song!

  132. Danny’s version of OHN isn’t my favorite, but it is definitely heartfelt. I felt it. :) OHN is my favorite Christmas song. I love the lyric, “fall on your knees”….That always has me in tears.

    Kelly Clarkson’s version was gorgeous!

  133. Lee’s O Holy Night on AllAccess doesn’t sound like a live version, but…well…I don’t think it sounds good at all. Different strokes, though.

    I’m with you, CindyM. That arrangement was truly unfortunate.

    OHN is my favorite Christmas song and I like it performed with a lot of emotion. Lee’s version, just no, no, a million times no.

    It’s fun to listen to all these versions of OHN – thanks to everyone for posting the links!

  134. One thing I think we can all agree on is this is a beautiful song!

    Agreed, it is a beautiful song! :)

  135. Oh my goodness, I actually listened to them all. lol. Well Lee was a mess but the rest were good. Kelly for me put me more in the spirit of the song. David A. sang it the way it should be song and Melinda
    Doolittle, wow that girl can sing!!

  136. Oh, nerd Danny. So unfair, lol. But even then he sounded a zillion times better than Lee’s attempt, which was just wrong in both approach and execution.

  137. Sorry that OHN by Lee was one of the worst versions I have ever heard. Awful.

  138. Allison is “competing” for recognition as EW’s under-appreciated entertainer of the year.
    Help her stay in the headlines by voting for her at EW Poll.

  139. Lee’s, not so much…sorry

    Nothing to apologize for. That seems to be the consensus, even Lee’s fans don’t think it’s very good.

  140. Hmmmm… so someone “sucks” because they are too arrogant or cocky… and don’t want to sing other people’s songs?? To me it’s called self confidence, and a new artist better have plenty of it if they want to make it in today’s music industry. In the case of Crystal and Lee, if they DON’T write there own songs, they probably have close to zero change of “making it”. To me, once they leave AI, their primary objective is to establish credibility WITHIN the industry and get new fans. Your core fans from the show will stay with you, but if you can’t get new fans and establish credibility with your musical peers, you have little to no chance. In terms of musical credibility, they already have at least one strike against them for being a contestant on American Idol. As a singer/songwriter.. if you want to establish respect from your musical peers within the industry, you better be able to write your own songs. IMO – Putting out your first album using other people’s songs is not the best way to get started. Getting back to my original point, neither Lee or Crystal or Casey or Big Mike or Siobhan or Aaron or Katie suck (regardless of your feelings about S9). While you might not like them on a personal or musical level, you should at least respect all that they have accomplished. I wish them all the success in the world!!

  141. Did anyone link to Kris’ version of OHN that he did for his AOL sessions last year? If not…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvJaxN-U6Q4

    Yes, I posted a link to it also via mj’s thread that contained it :)

    I listened to it the other day, kind of liked it from Kris though very different than some of the other versions. But certainly an appropriate version, vs. Lee’s not-so-much. (not at all).

  142. Here is how I rate them. I think I got everyone.

    Kelly
    Melinda
    Carrie
    David A.
    Danny
    Katherine
    Kris
    Lee

  143. toonces1966

    Kris’s tour with Lifehouse went really well. He seems to have made himself a bunch of new fans, the dates drew pretty well from the little I saw reported on crowd size, and the couple of reviews that showed up in papers praised Kris. There was also a huge mutaul respect thing going on between KAB and LH — so it was all good

  144. I honestly don’t understand what RCA was/is thinking. Of *all* the Christmas songs to release and send to AllAcces they sent “O Holy Night”?? Are they looking for more comparisons with AGT’s Jackie Evancho? The title of her EP is “O Holy Night”. The EP that was #2 on the BB200 and sold 239K her first week. In other words, the reality TV star who clearly outsold / outperformed DeWyze last week? And HDD is predicting another 175-200K for this week. No estimates for DeWyze…

    This is Evancho’s O Holy Night. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWcq6JCL1cQ

    This is just all kinds of odd.

    eta: AllAccess:

    The new Holiday single from this year’s American Idol Winner! From the debut album “Live It Up” in stores now.

    Erm, are they trying to sell LIU as a Holiday album now? Is this a bonus track on the album? Maybe they’re taking a page from SuBo & Evancho. But again, this is weird.

  145. Just listened to Lee’s version of OHN. I’m not sure what everyone is complaining about. While this version is disrespectful of a solemn and beautiful Christmas classic, we do get to hear Lee’s vocals showcased at their very best.

  146. Favorites: Danny (Sony party), David A., Melinda
    Also liked: Kris
    Fine for me but not a favorite: Kelly, Carrie, Katherine

    Whoa, major-league no: Lee.

    Best filed under archive: pre-AI nerd Danny, aww.

  147. Thanks for the update on Kris, Girlygirl. That’s great he’s expanding his fanbase too.

    My rankings of OHN:

    Danny (2009)
    Kris (a close second)
    Kelly
    Melinda Doolittle
    Katharine
    Carrie
    Nerd Danny (2006)
    Archie
    Lee

    Have I forgotten anyone?

  148. Steph…my favorite list almost matches yours with Danny, David A., Melinda, but then I have Carrie, Kelly, Kris, Kat.

    Agree on Lee’s…just no.

    Danny pre-AI version probably best marketed as audio only…lol

  149. Thanks everybody for the updates on Danny! I was wondering why I hadn’t seen him doing a lot of live shows recently.

    I hope RCA doesn’t release Lee’s version of OHN. There are so many versions of that song available on iTunes that are WAY better. I don’t think Lee was being disrespectful, but his arrangement of the song just doesn’t work

  150. we do get to hear Lee’s vocals showcased at their very best.

    IDK. Lee can sound nice recorded; but I don’t think his vocals are even good on this version.

    It is just a big WTF for me. Maybe all access has it wrong?

    Steph, my list is the same as yours, except I did listen to Carrie, Katherine so:

    Danny
    David A
    Melinda
    Carrie
    Kris
    Kelly
    Katherine
    Lee

    Idol fans are so funny aren’t we; we just have to vote, rank, compete in every way imaginable :)

    Danny pre-AI version probably best marketed as audio only…lol

    LMAO Asics! And you are a Danny fan! Should that be the single cover for Tennesse Christmas? :lol:

  151. Idol fans are so funny aren’t we; we just have to vote, rank, compete in every way imaginable :)

    Ain’t it great?

  152. Updated after listening to them all and adding late contenders, lol.

    Favorites: Danny (Sony party), David A., Melinda
    Also liked: Kris
    Fine for me but not a favorite: Katherine, Kelly, Carrie, Clay
    Whoa, major-league no: Lee.

    Best filed under archive: pre-AI nerd Danny, aww. (due to visuals, not sound)

    Danny pre-AI version probably best marketed as audio only…lol

    LMAO Asics! And you are a Danny fan! Should that [nerd Danny] be the single cover for Tennesse Christmas? :lol:

    noooooooooooo.

  153. Maybe they are just releasing Lee’s OHN to radio but aren’t selling it — as a way to try and get him some airplay during the holiday freeze? IDK — makes no sense to me — they need to focus on promoting SS and his album — not release a bad version of holiday song

    (although to be fair, last year I hoped that Jive might release Kris’ version of OHN)

  154. Indigobunting…let’s don’t even go there on the TC cover!

    With the hairstyle and outfit he was sporting in that 2006 video I guess we know now why Danny has mentioned he has a stylist working with him….lol!

  155. I really like this country acoustic version of “O Holy Night” from Season 2 Idol finalist Josh Gracin.

    It gets more beautiful and heartfelt in the last minute. YouTube

  156. LMAO Asics! And you are a Danny fan! Should that be the single cover for Tennesse Christmas?

    I just spilled my drink! I can’t stop laughing.

  157. Maybe they are just releasing Lee’s OHN to radio but aren’t selling it — as a way to try and get him some airplay during the holiday freeze? IDK — makes no sense to me — they need to focus on promoting SS and his album — not release a bad version of holiday song

    I can’t conceive of any reason professionals in the music industry would choose to release that. (If they actually listened to it first, I mean, lol.)

  158. I think writing your own songs are great. But if you do an album full of songs that you wrote and not one is a hit then what do you have? I think to be taken seriously as a songwriter you have to write hits for yourself or someone else. Like Ryan Tedder. Love or hate him you can’t deny that he has written a lot of hits. Just writing songs that go nowhere will not get you much respect in the music industry. And if you add average to poor vocals to that you are really nowhere.

  159. Lee doesn’t have a melodic bone in his body. Personality-free hollering at its finest.

  160. (although to be fair, last year I hoped that Jive might release Kris’ version of OHN)

    Maybe if Archie didn’t have a christmas album out. The AOL sessions were even released late lol!

  161. Beachbum-I loved your post!
    I’m glad Lee and Crystal were able to do so much writing for their albums, because they have smaller fanbases than Idols from past seasons and will need to gain listeners beyond people who liked them on Idol.
    Milage certainly varies around here. I love Lee’s O Holy Night, and I don’t think I’m the only one,since it has been playing on AOL Radio. It’s great there are so many different versions by Idols; there’s something for everyone.
    Most singers who have made the top 10 on Idol have been talented, but they don’t all appeal to me. Some that many people love, I’ve found boring or unbearably cheesey. I wouldn’t use those words to describe anybody from Season 9. They all had something special.

  162. Oh goody. Are we ranking O Holy Night? Well, no one can top Josh Groban, but since he’s not an Idol I guess I’ll have to leave him off the list, even though it pains me to do so. Based upon the ones posted in this thread, here’s my list starting with my favorite, keeping in mind that some were live while others were studio recordings. (Yes, that makes a difference, & I allow for that.)

    Carrie Underwood
    David Archuleta
    Melinda Doolittle
    Clay Aiken
    Kelly Clarkson
    Danny Gokey
    Kris Allen
    Katharine McPhee
    Josh Gracin

    Lee DeWyze

    Just no – Lee – you can’t do that to a classic song that is revered by millions.

    ETA: Oh, there’s a new one – Josh Gracin – I’ll add him to my list after I have a chance to listen.

    ETA 2: OK, I’ve slipped Josh into my rankings.

  163. I think Lee’s musical instincts are fantastic for 95% of the acoustic stuff he does. I mostly liked his version of OHN, but I think there’s just a little too much juice in the vocal in the back end of the song for the backing instrumentation. I also would have cranked the reverb up a little bit more. Really liked the front half of the song though. I don’t know what makes the radio decide to play these things though. Hopefully not feedback on AI message boards…

    Also, I remember Kris Allen doing a fantastic version of…The Christmas Song? with his band last year. Really blew me away, and I wasn’t even following season 8 that closely.

  164. Thanks pineappletree. Yep yep. That’s the one. Great, chill arrangement, and Kris’ vocal stylings were just a perfect fit with the song.

    ETA: thanks, girlygirl, as well.

  165. jennyl, I glad you said that. I liked Lee’s OHN also but I thought maybe I was crazy. It was different. Don’t really follow Lee but everyone was talking about it so I finally took a listen. I don’t think everything has to always be done in a traditional way.

  166. Okay, this really is some sick sort of conditioning. Its not that I love the song (my favorite holiday tunes tend to more along the lines of the peace on earth variety, like Happy Christmas and I Heard The Bells On Christmas Day) but I felt compelled to listen to them all at least half way through and rank. Resistance is futile…

    Kris Allen (I really liked the slide guitar)
    Kelly Clarkson
    Josh Gracin
    Archie
    Mindy Doo
    Clay
    Carrie
    Danny
    Katherine
    Lee

    There you go. As for what RCA is thinking, I gave up on trying to apply logic there a lonnng time ago.

  167. twinkle80-

    Thanks for posting that link to the live version Lee sang at Graceland-I love that really soulful version. He changes things up every time!

  168. He dared to be different IMHO

    Yes, not great or even good but certainly different. I guess that’s an achievement of some sort.
    Ranking for me :

    Melinda
    Carrie
    Kris
    Kelly
    Archie
    Danny
    Clay
    Katherine
    Josh

  169. I think it’d be pretty cool if RCA or 19 were trying to get Lee on the radio with a Christmas song. This one still sounds a little rough around the edges to me, but it’s got promise. Or they may just offer it as a download for his fans on itunes, who knows.

  170. Ugh I like Lee but that rendition is bad. I’m *extremely* picky about how that song is sung. I don’t like it messed with. Josh Groban’s is by far my favorite version. Love Carrie and Kelly’s. I heard Clay sing his live once and it brought me to tears.

  171. Actually if Lee had done OHN straight, he’ll still be compared against the great Carrie, Kelly, Kris and countless others who has done that song. And will still fall short I believe for most posters here. So, I’m glad he did it his own way, the folk way. :)

  172. superfudge:
    Casey will be the success story from s9 because to put it nicely…Lee and Crystal suck. Their egos are too big to be in the music industry. They have an arrogance that is quite undeserved. Casey is someone who isn’t ashamed to have other people help him out with his album. Lee/Crystal just want albums where they write 99% of the songs regardless if the public will like them or not.

    1) He’ll be a success (story) because others are not? I don’t think it works this way.

    2) There is no such thing as an ego too big for a music industry.

    3) Where you see arrogance, most see confidence and being sure of their artistic goals. Kudos to Crystal, at least, for sticking to what she saw herself as. Getting out a product that people like but which doesn’t reflect the artist in the least is what I call whoring yourself out for fame. (If it’s successful.)

    4) Casey is someone who’s not ashaed to have other people help out? How about: Casey has no idea what to do and must be led by a hand?

  173. We’re playing “My Idol Sings “O Holy Night” better than YOUR Idol”, now, are we?

    We definitely won’t be carrying this conversation over to today’s headlines.

  174. LOL, MJ. My favorite idol is not in this thing. My ranking is actually my opinion based on how I’d like to hear one of MY favorite songs sung. I can’t speak for others, though. PS. I didn’t watch Carrie’s or Melinda’s seasons, & yet I have both of them near the top because they can really sing & they (as well as a others on the list) do really project the feeling of the song. jmo.

  175. Thanks to everyone for posting all those Idol versions of OHN! :) Unfortunately, I thought that Lee’s “bouncy” rendition was a bad mistake. Ugh. I hadn’t heard that recent live version of Danny’s OHN, and although I’m not a fan, I was impressed – enough variation on the melody to personalize it, but not lose the song. Very nice. I thought that Jackie Evancho’s rendition was too fast, although she has a lovely voice. Kelly’s version is terrific, IMO. I’ve always loved Josh Groban’s version of OHN the best, but it’s nice to hear some variety on this Xmas classic.

    ETA: Just listened to Melinda’s version. Great!

  176. No, MJ, it’s just interesting to compare versions of OHN with it being close to Christmas. I ranked Kris second from the top even though I’m not much of a fan of his, and I ranked Lee’s at the bottom even though I am a fan.

  177. Maybe, Lee is going to sing his version of OHN on his rumored appearance at the Walt Disney parade?

  178. Maybe, Lee is going to sing his version of OHN on his rumored appearance at the Walt Disney parade?

    If so, I hope he slows it down some. The upbeat bouncy tempo was the worst part of his version of the song, IMO.

    I didn’t listen to all of Lee’s Graceland OHN performance, but the part I did hear sounded slower which would be all to the good.

  179. I hadn’t heard that recent live version of Danny’s OHN, and although I’m not a fan, I was impressed – enough variation on the melody to personalize it, but not lose the song. Very nice.

    O Holy Night is one of the few songs where Danny really lets go with the full power of his vocals. I heard him do it once last year at a holiday show, just gorgeous. The only other song I can think of where he does something similar was in the second half of You are so Beautiful on the show.

    The two musicians with Danny contributed to the overall effect also, I think. The guitarist, Def Santiago, used to perform with Danny on the church circuit pre-AI, and toured with Danny some post-AI on his initial acoustic radio tour. The keyboardist off-stage is Brandon Fraley who’s become Danny’s music director and is still with Danny’s band.

  180. Aw, MJ…this was fun! And you have to admit we were really well behaved last night too, even when the conversation turned to listing our favorite versions of the song…aren’t you proud of us:)

  181. Thanks for that info on Danny’s accompanists, steph. They certainly contributed to my liking that song.

    O Holy Night is one of the few songs where Danny really lets go with the full power of his vocals. I heard him do it once last year at a holiday show, just gorgeous.

    That was one of things that impressed me about Danny’s version, along with his improvisations. The guy is a talented vocalist.

  182. well, the good thing about lee is that he never sings a song the same way twice so i’m sure if he plans to sing OHN more than once then it’ll be different than the last. also, for the benefit of some, lee can indeed sing OHN in a slower tempo, though of course he still puts his twist on it. another, more recently uploaded youtube vid of his graceland performance…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIQ7wXckWaU

  183. I agree Steph…when Danny hits that note and lets loose the full power he is capable of it is indeed gorgeous! I also love the tenderness he displays in the beginning of the song, and how he builds up to that glory note to draw the listener in before he unleashes it.

  184. If anyone is judging Casey’s abilities as a singer by what was seen on AI, then they are missing quite a bit of the package. I watched him on the show and thought – well,there’s potiential. And then he’d sing Frank Sinatra, and I’d think, hm. Maybe not.

    To truly understand Mr. James as an artist, IMHO, you have to see him singing a whole song with guitar in hand and not deathly ill. That would NOT be AI. That would be on tour or at the Key’s Lounge. Then you really catch a glimpse of the potential. Right now, I agree, it’s just potential. But combine that with a small taste of what he’s personally written (check out “She” or the beginning guitar work on “Freezing” or “Coming Home”)… then I think there’s clearly potential.

    Since I’ve never done this “following a person after the show” thingy, I truly am surprised at the continued “contest”. I think Lee, Crystal, Casey are all very, very different singers/acts. I saw all in person and can’t see any of them like each other at all. And I believe all of their careers will be very different as well.

    The bottom line for me regarding Casey’s career – why I have high hopes – is:

    1) he was signed by Sony when they had absolutely no requirement to sign him. After his third place finish. After the lower ratings of the show. After the cancellation of several tour shows. What record company would sign an act knowing all of the above if they didn’t have a plan on how to market him? And believe in his potential outside the AI bubble?

    2) he was personally signed by the new head of Sony Nashville. Why would Mr. Overton get involved with an artist if he wasn’t convinced there was something there? Why would he personally step out, risking some of his presitige if he didn’t believe this new act could deliver? After all, he’s under some pressure himself, isn’t he? To make Sony Nashville into a success? What idiot would start his career leading Sony Nashville by signing a… hmmm.. I’ll use some of the lovely descriptions of Casey that have been used on this blog… a bland, no-talent furry critter who has no range in his voice and really can’t sing, and honestly he’s not that good of a guitar player and did we mention he took his shirt off so that automatically means he’s disqualified from ever making any good music… to a contract?

    3) Casey has the “it” factor. No, I didn’t see tons of it on the AI show, but wowza… anyone who saw him in concert…well, damn.

    Nuff said.

  185. also, for the benefit of some, lee can indeed sing OHN in a slower tempo, though of course he still puts his twist on it. another, more recently uploaded youtube vid of his graceland performance…

    That was definitely better than the AllAccess version, but I still dislike it.

  186. Thanks Twinkle80 for that other version.

    I still don’t like Lee as a vocalist because of his tendency to slip off notes, trail away at the end of phrases with either a breathy sound or a squeaky sound.

    But, having said that- the version you posted is 100x better than the All Access one. He stays true to the feeling of the song and makes his limited vocal range work for him- he doesn’t have the range or power of Danny, David A, Melinda so he didn’t go for the glory note. If they really want Lee to have a holiday song, that should be the version they put out.

  187. If they really want Lee to have a holiday song, that should be the version they put out.

    Or just choose a completely different song that is more appropriate to Lee’s singing style.

    ETA: did listen to the Graceland version. Much better approach to the song, though he could work on the pitch issues/etc. with the vocals some.

  188. fuzzywuzzy and Indigobunting, no problem. thanks also for giving it a listen. i know that we can’t all love the same music/artists and we can’t be all moved by the same things but the important thing is that we acknowledge what these artists are doing & that there will always be people who’ll appreciate the things that won’t necessarily be appealing to us. wish all these idols the best :)

  189. “Or just choose a completely different song that is more appropriate to Lee’s singing style.”

    Perhaps a cover from Alvin, Simon and Theodore’s latest album. No…wait.. out of his range.

  190. Just want to say that I enjoyed listening to and watching the various Idol interpretations of ‘O Holy Night’. It’s one of my favorite Christmas songs. I won’t rank them since it’s certainly subjective. My fave is Kris Allen, but I enjoy them all.

  191. mj:
    11/29/2010 at 7:16 am
    We’re playing “My Idol Sings “O Holy Night” better than YOUR Idol”, now, are we?

    It’s the holiday version of my Idol sings the national anthem better than your Idol! LOL I didn’t have a horse in this race, but I’m ashamed to admit I find ranking type polls and such to be irresistible. Also those ridiculous bracket thingies on EW.com. Do I really care which fictional character wins scariest serial killer? No, but did I click and vote? Yup.

  192. Thanks MJ for always posting info. about David Archuleta. I simply adore and respect his talent, personality and did I tell you he’s not bad to look at either! :)

  193. I just visited the Metacritic site, and I noticed that the 2 critics they have listed rated David A. new CD at 68 (average of the two). One was 75 and one was 60. His user number was 8.6 out of 10. So his fans really like the CD. His average by critic was way higher than say Bruno Mars and Susan Boyle. Poor Lee was very low. Many artists that you hear all the time are not scored that high. Music is very much what you personally like, but airplay has much to do with popularity. The people you see all the time on TV are the ones that they seem to play, and it doesn’t seem to have much to do with talent or having depth in their lyrics. Not a lot of depth in “I Like It” or “Baby, Baby”, but they are played all the time.

  194. His average by critic was way higher than say Bruno Mars and Susan Boyle.

    The people you see all the time on TV are the ones that they seem to play, and it doesn’t seem to have much to do with talent or having depth in their lyrics. Not a lot of depth in “I Like It” or “Baby, Baby”, but they are played all the time.

    I’ve also made this observation about the reviews of The Other Side Of Down, which I love. Yet, it does seem to be a popularity contest not a singing or song contest. Radio and TV seem to be stuck on this. Hoping for the tide to change.

  195. Since I’ve never done this “following a person after the show” thingy, I truly am surprised at the continued “contest”. I think Lee, Crystal, Casey are all very, very different singers/acts. I saw all in person and can’t see any of them like each other at all. And I believe all of their careers will be very different as well.

    This. Most sensible thing posted on MJ’s in a long, long time regarding S9.

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