Idol Headlines for 11/16/10

Jordin Sparks and Micheal Grimm are set to appear in the 84th Annual Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade in New York City on November 25th. The parade will air on NBC 9-12 pm.

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Kris Allen will be on air with Ryan Seacrest at KIIS FM tomorrow morning at 8:30. Via @h2oconvo

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Lee DeWyze appears on Live With Regis and Kelly today. Check your local listings for time and channel.

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David Archuleta arrived in the Philippines today to do some album promo. He tweets, “Made it safely to the Philippines! an unexpected but warm welcome lol. Thanks for the greeting Filipino fans!”

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Danny Gokey at a writers retreat. He tweets, “At writers retreat & wrote some amazing songs w/some great writers. Also 2day was a very HISTORICAL day 4 Sophia’s Heart. What a great day!”

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Kris Allen performs at the Grove in Los Angeles Wednesday November 17 at 1 pm, for broadcast later on Extra TV. More info HERE.

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More Headlines after the JUMP…

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Exclusive: Lee DeWyze: “I try to avoid painting at all costs!”

Mid-November just rolled around again and you know what that means: it’s time for the first release from the latest American Idol winner. I admit I didn’t exactly fall in love with Live It Up, the offering from Season 9 champ Lee DeWyze, but I gotta respect the guy’s warm, strong croon and passion for the craft. With his disc hitting shelves and the ‘net today, I sat down with the single singer and former paint salesman, 24, to find out just what’s in it — and why he really hopes it succeeds.

Read more at US

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Carrie Underwood: ‘I Hope Those Motherly Instincts Are in Me’

“Oh, it’s going to be awhile, ” she tells InStyle magazine. “The other night, [husband Mike Fisher] was with some friends and their kids, and he sent me a funny text saying, ‘Watching my friend’s kids … Let’s wait a while.'”

But 27-year-old Underwood, who tied the knot in July, has her own personal concerns with having children. “I didn’t grow up around kids, and I hope those motherly instincts are in me, ” she says. “I’m sure they are, but I don’t know what to talk about with a 4-year-old!”

Read more at People

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David Archuleta Razor TV Interviews – Singapore

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Lee DeWyze’s ‘Live It Up’: A track-by-track review

Lee DeWyze wound up in something of a tough spot — the winner of American Idol in a season where even the judges seemed to sometimes tune out. Even as he provided some of Season 9’s musical highlights — covering Simon & Garfunkel’s The Boxer, Cornelius Brothers & Sister Rose’s Treat Her Like a Lady and Lynyrd Skynyrd’s Simple Man — he endured scorn from fans of the show who found him too much like some previous contestants (fellow guitar-toters Kris Allen and David Cook), too little like others (softer than Daughtry) or just not enough like anything they thought they wanted to listen to.

Read more at USA Today

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‘American Idol’ Champ Lee DeWyze Is ‘Over The Stress’ On Live It Up

“I’m over the stress. For me, I’m really just doing my thing. People say, ‘Oh, you’re doing your thing? Well, what’s your thing?’ My thing is, I’m making music now, ” DeWyze told MTV News. “I love doing it. I love performing. I love playing out. I love doing all that stuff.”

Lee said his furrowed brow relaxed as soon as he began working on the album this summer, quickly realizing that RCA Records and 19 Recordings were going to give him a lot more freedom than he anticipated. “When [RCA and 19] allowed me to write right out of the gate, it was just kind of like, ‘Really? Like, I’m allowed to write? Cool!’ They were awesome about it, ” DeWyze said.

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Read more at MTV

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Dewyze takes nothing for granted with heartfelt disc

While Lee DeWyze’s “American Idol” win last spring turned him into a household name for millions, the former paint-store clerk from Mount Prospect insists, “I really haven’t changed all that much.”

In a recent chat about his major-label debut album, “Live It Up” (out today), the singer and songwriter says, “There are some mornings when I wake up, and for a couple of seconds I sort of forget all that has happened — and then it hits me.

Read more at Chicago Sun Times

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2011 CRS New Faces Voting in Full Swing

Each year, the Country Radio Broadcasters, Inc. (CRB) spotlights five artists on the rise for their annual New Faces of Country Music show, held during Country Radio Seminar (CRS) in Nashville. With the event taking place in front of major radio program directors, music directors and other notable industry personnel who can “make or break” their careers, a slot on the New Faces show is considered a huge honor.

The list of finalists for the 2011 New Faces show are Easton Corbin, Josh Thompson, Jaron and the Long Road to Love, Steel Magnolia, Lee Brice, Danny Gokey, Jerrod Niemann, David Nail and The Band Perry. At the end of this week, that list will be narrowed down to five, as voting closes this Friday, November 19.

Read more at The Boot

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David Archuleta arrives in the Philippines – News report

via inimegenna Translation HERE.

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Julianne Hough: Ryan Seacrest Is a “Phenomenal” Boyfriend!

“He’s phenomenal, ” Julianne Hough gushed about her ubiquitously employed boyfriend in an interview airing Tuesday on Ellen. “He’s really romantic. He’s not even in town and I got in my car and there are flowers everywhere!”

Read more at E Online

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‘Glee’s’ Kevin McHale reunites with boy band buddy in One Call’s ‘Blacklight’

At least a determined group of apparently well-connected young men are trying to ensure that. One Call has a new single, “Blacklight, ” and from the looks of the video, they’ve got an unnatural amount of energy — and some celebrity friends. In attendance are a “Glee” kid, a “Pretty Little Liar” and even the Kardashians’ little sister.

Kevin McHale, Ashley Benson and Kendall Jenner all make cameos in the suitably black-light-lit clip.

Read more at Zap2it

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Evan Bogart: A Glimpse at Bravo’s ‘Going Platinum’

He’s talking about the show’s head judge, Kara DioGuardi, whom he watched intently during her two seasons on American Idol. A self-confessed reality show fanatic (as long as the program involves a contest element and some skill), Bogart was well aware of how harsh TV audiences can be, especially when it comes to judging the judges. But he’s convinced that in pairing DioGuardi with accomplished singer Jewel, who’ll host Going Platinum, he’s hit on the magic formula.

“It’s the perfect format for Kara and Jewel, ” says Bogart. “With Jewel, as someone who’s struggled to make it, then had a big hit record and felt the pressure of a follow-up, there’s a sense of real connection with the contestants. And Kara is such an incredible songwriter and executive who has so much to impart and give back. I couldn’t have picked a more perfect host and head judge.”

Read more at The Hollywood Reporter

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Mark Ballas: Why Bristol Palin Is Still on DWTS

“The thing about this show is, you get people who come from an entertainment background, whether it’s a sport, a TV show … Bristol’s not any of those things, ” he told Us after Monday’s broadcast (where they came in last place with a score of 53). “She’s not a TV star, she’s not a singer, she’s not an entertainer of any kind. She’s the most normal person; sweet, down to earth … like a friend you’d hang out with. I think people can watch and relate to that. So for me as a coach, to take someone like this – I’ve had Olympic athletes, I’ve had Cheetah Girls, Shannen Doherty, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Kim Kardashian … this is one of my proudest moments, taking a non-dancer and turning her into what she is now.”

Read more at US

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Darren Criss tells Access Hollywood How His Life Has Changed Since Glee

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Out in the cold… life after the X Factor for reject Aiden Grimshaw as he checks into cheap hotel alone

He’s been at the centre of a controversial few days since he was booted out of the X Factor in favour of Katie Waissel.

And with a week full of interviews which will see him relive Sunday night over and over again, it was hardly a surprise to see Aiden Grimshaw looking down the in the dumps.

The 18-year-old looked very forlorn as he checked into a London hotel by himself last night.

Read more at Daily Mail

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190 Comments

  1. I don’t recall the video being posted here before, but here is Danny talking about his SHF project. I believe this is what he meant (“historical”) in that tweet, probably the building donation was finalized as there was an update released from SHF over the night.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXvXZTNOfhc

  2. What’s wrong with Chicago? Well, Lee has no buzz, Idol has lost any “coolness” it might have once had, and Lee put out a bland, generic album. Having said that, WTMX will add the single. They may wait until they absolutely have to, but they will add it.

  3. So after Bill Zwecker writes an ok interview article with Lee, Chicago Sun Times goes on to trash Lee’s album? Why is it that his own home town isn’t supporting him? Both newspapers gave negative reviews, and major radio station is slow to add the single. Ugh.

    It’s not their job to give him a good review, if that’s not how they truly feel about the album.

    I wonder if anyone will point out that SS is fun, and doesn’t fit the tone of the rest of the album. It will be hard for a new artist to push some of the songs on the album, it will be a similar situation to what Kris had with The Truth, it’s just not the type of song that people are going to be open to if it is coming from an unestablished artist, but plenty of people will listen to and fall in love with Sweet Serendipity. If RCA, 19 and Lee do a better job at marketing and taking of advantage of the success that that song might have, they can get people to give the rest of the album a chance.

  4. It is funny that every critic who has accused Lee of using clichés throughout the album, has used the word beige in their reviews. That insult is too easy, and lacks imagination.

    The review also shows that the albatross that Lee and Crystal will have to deal with is the meme that their season was the dullest one yet. IMO, they brought this on themselves by not stepping up last year, and doing something different, even when it was evident that they were the front runners. Every year alums have to deal with something, so it will be interesting to see Lee and Crystal deal with this as professionals, and find a way to get people to see them as individual artists, and not just graduates of season 9 of AI.

  5. What’s wrong with Chicago? Well, Lee has no buzz, Idol has lost any “coolness” it might have once had, and Lee put out a bland, generic album.

    This is the idol trademark, and it is still a lot better that those of his predecessors, so well done Lee.

  6. So after Bill Zwecker writes an ok interview article with Lee, Chicago Sun Times goes on to trash Lee’s album?

    Ah, if only giving an interview guaranteed a positive review. They would be lined up around the block to be interviewed.

    That’s one of the harshest Idol album reviews I’ve ever seen. Concert reviews often sound like that.

    It is funny that every critic who has accused Lee of using clichés throughout the album, has used the word beige in their reviews. That insult is too easy, and lacks imagination.

    I blame Simon and his paint salesman “meme”. I guess Simon felt that was the way to push him. Things would have been better if he’d called him “struggling singer-songwriter”.

    The review also shows that the albatross that Lee and Crystal will have to deal with is the meme that their season was the dullest one yet. IMO, they brought this on themselves by not stepping up last year, and doing something different, even when it was evident that they were the front runners.

    Yep. Some years, we get contestants not pushing for the win (“we’re all winners”, “I don’t compete, I make music”, “Being in the top 10 was my goal”, blah-blah) and it is invariably dull. Take risks, reach, try new things, grow, show up every night to impress and people will notice.

    The NY Times has one of those hard to figure out if it’s favorable or not reviews of Lee’s CD.

    I think that they are saying that they like Lee more than the album and they are surprised he let the label make him sing these songs which are totally songs he would have refused to sing on Idol. So, positive review of Lee. Negative review of his album.

  7. I believe this is what he meant (“historical”) in that tweet, probably the building donation was finalized as there was an update released from SHF over the night.

    A press release was just sent out (will have to send it when it gets out) how Danny had a 70k sq. foot building donated for use in Nashville for SHF foundation. What a coup for them and I can only imagine how excited they are.

    Between organizing that underway and writing, he may cut his fall tour short. Glad I am seeing him this coming weekend, might be the last chance for a while!

    It will be interesting to see if Danny gets in the top 5 for that CRS new faces show. That is very stiff competition, all of the other artists have had bigger hits. Easton, TBP, Jerrod Niemann and Steel Magnolia are shoo ins so that leaves one spot. Jaron Lowenstein is probably the weakest competition. It would be great for his career if radio peeps would vote him in.

  8. I’m not surprised that the critics don’t like Lee’s album because they like to see originality , and Lee’s album is pretty conventional and safe. I think Lee would have benefited from having more time to work on his album. Hopefully next time, whether he’s still on a major label or on an indie label, he’ll be paired up with the right producers that will be better matches.

  9. Not only was that Sun Times review way harsh, it read like the author actually had a good time writing it.

  10. I think that they are saying that they like Lee more than the album and they are surprised he let the label make him sing these songs which are totally songs he would have refused to sing on Idol. So, positive review of Lee. Negative review of his album.

    That was a rare compliment coming from that critic.

  11. hm, i actually think that people who assume that lee was “pushed” to sing the songs in the album or who think that he just “gave in” to what the label wanted may have just put him in a certain box. this album maybe what he wanted all along but none of us know him well enough to really say that he should have done this or that.

    in a recent Beatweek magazine interview, this was his answer when asked if people listening would be surprised to find Me and my jealousy along side a song like Brooklyn Bridge:

    Hopefully. I want it to, because that’s me. It’s kind of my thing. I like good music, and I don’t want people to think that I’m just this guy that has to sing rock all the time or folk all the time. Basically, I’m always gonna do whatever it is that I want to do. Whether that be a big rock balled or a broken down acoustic song, I just like music. So coming off of the show, many people are going to expect one thing or another. Having them be surprised by what’s on the album is something I’m actually looking forward to, because I don’t know how much you can learn about an artist or a style of someone’s music through that show. I think that’s more of a different setting. It’s a different feel. I think that being able to put out my own album now, that’s really, really cool. It’s like I’m showing everybody, hey, this is what I like to do. This is me.

  12. The NY Times has one of those hard to figure out if it’s favorable or not reviews of Lee’s CD. They do describe it as “surprisingly pleasant,” though and single out “A Song About Love.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/16/arts/music/16choice.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=lee%20dewyze&st=cse

    Lol, the NYT is so intellectual they are difficult to figure out. My take on that was that it wasn’t a good review, but it could have been worse. He said a lot of unfavorable things about Lee pre-Idol, Idol and album, but if he really hated the album, oh you would definitely know! :lol:

    Good luck Lee and fans on sales this week! Hopefully the video will give the song a lift on radio too.

  13. Because of my job, I read a lot of reviews and scan multiple news sources. [Too complicated to explain here, but it has to do with trendings]. So if I was doing a report, I would call the really damning thing about Lee’s reviews is that critics are not taking him seriously. There’s a lot of condescending packed in there. In that way – and I’m not comparing the guys, only the reviews – he reminds me of Taylor Hicks. [Okay, I do hear some similarities of production, but it’s been a long time since I’ve listened to Taylor] Taylor was DOA not because of talent so much, but because of the collective snort inspired by his album. It would have been better for Lee if critics had had a mixed reaction – this is GREAT, this is fair – then an across the board ‘beige.’

    BTW, critics aren’t obligated to encourage because Lee is a nice guy who tries hard. I think they are frustrated by the AI Beige stamp, however.

  14. The NY Times review was actually not that bad. He seems to like some of the songs but doesn’t feel like it represents Lee, while the Chicago sun Times was just way too harsh. That guy just hates Lee.

  15. I would call the really damning thing about Lee’s reviews is that critics are not taking him seriously

    I’ve never seen the majority of critics take AI alums seriously until they’ve made a name for themselves other than being a reality tv star. Most critics view these people as manufactured artists, who only have an album because they were on tv. It’s actually something that even Daughtry and Carrie have to occasionally deal with.

    Taylor was DOA not because of talent so much, but because of the collective snort inspired by his album.

    That snort came about because of the “Soul Patrol”, and everything else that Taylor did that made for great tv, but was not going to translate to people seeing him as a serious artist or buying his album. Beyond what every idol has to deal with, I don’t think that Lee will have the same problem.

    hm, i actually think that people who assume that lee was “pushed” to sing the songs in the album or who think that he just “gave in” to what the label wanted may have just put him in a certain box.

    I agree. This s another albatross that AI alums have to deal with.

  16. The NY Times review was actually not that bad. He seems to like some of the songs but doesn’t feel like it represents Lee, while the Chicago sun Times was just way too harsh. That guy just hates Lee.

    I just read that one, ouch.

    But IDK, sometimes I wonder if Midwest critics suffer from “gotta be cool syndrome and measure up to the NYT reviews”, lol. I know Danny Gokey’s reviews from Milwaukee were tougher (whether it is a concert, album or single) than most country blogs and even NYT, as well as other papers.

    So I would take that with a little grain of salt; in addition, perhaps they don’t want to be accused of being too “fanboyish”

  17. I’ve seen worse reviews of Idol albums. The NY Times review was pretty respectful. However “dull” and “beige” is coming up alot. So there seems to be a consensus forming.

  18. I think that they are saying that they like Lee more than the album and they are surprised he let the label make him sing these songs which are totally songs he would have refused to sing on Idol. So, positive review of Lee. Negative review of his album.

    The label didn’t make Lee sing these songs, he wrote them himself. TPTB are really pushing the singer/songwriter angle so if there is fault, it’s with Lee.

  19. Nice article on Adam on Yahoo France

    Original link: http://fr.news.yahoo.com/49/20101116/ten-adam-lambert-la-nouvelle-star-amrica-ff967a9.html

    Translated link: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffr.news.yahoo.com%2F49%2F20101116%2Ften-adam-lambert-la-nouvelle-star-amrica-ff967a9.html&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

    Adam E! True Hollywood Story Promo (posted late last night) (cameraphone of tv screen)

    awwww kid Adam clips…and Zodiac Show Adam!!!

    jam2885 K here’s the promo! http://youtu.be/NOjfgu5wK4c about 10 hours ago via TweetDeck

  20. The label didn’t make Lee sing these songs, he wrote them himself.

    I know. I was just saying what I think the reviewer was saying. Perhaps he didn’t know (or thinks that Lee is a better picker of songs than writer of songs. Recognizing what kind of songs you can sing and how you can make a song “your own” is actually a skill and one that many Idols fail at. So, it is a compliment to Lee to say he’s a good picker of songs).

  21. The label didn’t make Lee sing these songs, he wrote them himself. TPTB are really pushing the singer/songwriter angle so if there is fault, it’s with Lee.

    Exactly. Lee is being pushed as a singer/songwriter. Well then, Lee is the one who wrote the songs that reviewers are calling bland, so if there is a problem with the songs being bland, Lee is the one at fault

  22. I think Lee would have faired better had he just written the songs himself or with people/friends in his inner circle. So many co-writers can really water-down the final product, and I often wonder how these guys can be expected to sit in a room with someone they have just met and come up with a song. That just seems so forced and manufactured.

    Obviously, RCA wasn’t going to let Lee create without label “guidance.” I do think Jive may be getting it right with Crystal, though. I guess we will see.

  23. I’ve seen worse reviews of Idol albums. The NY Times review was pretty respectful. However “dull” and “beige” is coming up alot. So there seems to be a consensus forming.

    Well, on the bright side, beige is a popular color. (I’m sure Lee sold a lot of it during his paint salesman days.)

    But all kidding aside, I do like SS and think it could be a hit. Lee comes off as a very likeable guy in the music video. And like I said above, and only half joking, many people do like beige. I do think there is a market out there for Lee’s album.

  24. It is not new that a lot of critics tend to not take AI alumni seriously , or being too harsh on them or to always assume that an album is formulaic and I am not sure how many of the critics really bothering to really listen to all the albums they review(some do, but many times it looks like the opinion is made before they even listened to an album). And it also not uncommon for critics to just repeat what other critics said.
    I’ve seen regardless different artist comments of people thinking that their music doesn’t represent, just because the music is not what that specific person expected. This people probably tried to put Lee in a certain box and they are disappointed that he didn’t want to fit in it(just like many artist don’t want to fit into a tight little box).
    While negative reviews are obviously not a good thing, that doesn’t necessary mean that the album won’t do well. If Lee will get several hits from the album and promo- it might end up doing well. Way too early to know.

  25. I think Lee would have faired better had he just written the songs himself or with people/friends in his inner circle.

    Lee’s type of music is all about putting the focus on the music, and writing lyrics that reflect where he is in his life. I don’t think that those types of songs can be written well under the conditions that 19 has setup, meaning writing and recording songs in one day, and in between idol tour stops.

  26. I think Lee would have faired better had he just written the songs himself or with people/friends in his inner circle.

    I like his pre-idol albums better than the Sony one, but I expected it so I don’t blame Lee for the blandness, although people may think that Slumberland and So I Am Told are bland, but I don’t.

  27. Kris singing at The Grove sounds like good promo to me! That place is always packed at 1 pm. I live a few blocks away so I’m definitely going to be there.

    Ouch on the Chicago Lee album review. Not a Lee fan but I know it stings when fans read these type of reviews.

    Love the Adam E! clip. Little Adam singing is priceless.

  28. It is interesting, if you’re an Idol alum heading into one of those co-writing sessions you better hope that it is with someone you can connect with and feel comfortable enough to get raw and open up with. Or you just have to have a really open personality, which is what I think allowed Adam to be able to write something so personal as Broken Open with Greg Wells (although I think he and Greg really clicked). I can’t imagine sitting in a room with someone I just met (and, perhaps, someone I’m not really enamored with) and then feeling pressured to come up with something. Of course most Idol debut albums are going to end up generic and bland.

  29. Lee didn’t sing SS with the same level of energy that he had during the Today performance. Yesterday they slowed the song down, but it still sounded good and had that infectious punch, but I didn’t feel the same thing today. Maybe it’s something about the time or that studio, because Kris’ performance on Regis and Kelly last year wasn’t great either, but he was amazing on Ellen and GMA.

  30. It is interesting, if you’re an Idol alum heading into one of those co-writing sessions you better hope that it is with someone you can connect with and feel comfortable enough to get raw and open up with. Or you just have to have a really open personality, which is what I think allowed Adam to be able to write something so personal as Broken Open with Greg Wells (although I think he and Greg really clicked). I can’t imagine sitting in a room with someone I just met (and, perhaps, someone I’m not really enamored with) and then feeling pressured to come up with something. Of course most Idol debut albums are generic and bland.

    I think Adam and Kris were both lucky that they were put into sessions with people they connected with and the results were Broken Open for Adam and I Need to Know for Kris.

  31. A co-write doesn’t mean that the song is not personal(even just on resent idol albums you can find very personal songs that were co-writes. And I define personal by an idol saying that it’s personal and not based on if a song reflects what you think the idol’s life is), but it is more likely to achieve a better quality if you work on a song for more than just a relatively short meeting(although of course there are some great songs that were written really fast).

  32. I do think Jive may be getting it right with Crystal, though.

    But I also think that has to do with personality. Crystal is Crystal. She is the type who will push for what she believes in – and challenge the status quo. Some people have argued that may have cost her the American Idol win. But her uniqueness will serve her well outside of the AI bubble.

    Whereas Lee is a nice guy, but there really isn’t anything that special or different about him or his music that will help him stand out and be competitive in the over saturated pop market.

    Even with something like the cover art on their CD’s. I am way more intrigued with Crystal’s Farmer’s Daughter and her tongue in cheek figurines, Christmas lights than a solitary pic of Lee and the title Live It Up. Nothing really creative here. Nothing that would stir my curiosity to listen to the CD.

  33. Why is it that his own home town isn’t supporting him? Both newspapers gave negative reviews,

    Well, if you’re a reviewer and you say you liked something that you actually thought was highly mediocre out of some kind of loyalty (hometown, personal friendship, kickbacks, etc.), then all you’ve really accomplished is a pretty decisive ding to your own reputation. A good review you don’t mean probably won’t even help its recipient very much. So … no point in them lying, one way or the other. I suspect the reviewers just don’t think the album is very good. They may be right or they may be wrong about that, of course.

  34. Whereas Lee is a nice guy, but there really isn’t anything that special or different about him or his music that will help him stand out and be competitive in the over saturated pop market.

    He has his own ideas and an incredible recording voice, both of which will bring him attention.

    Who knows if Jive is doing right by Crystal, or just being cheap. I hate to play the crystal ball card, but just based on history she is going to have a rough time getting people to notice her, and getting AAA stations to play her music. Even if they do play her, the market she is going for is a niche one, and one that might not bring in the type of return that Jive or Sony wants.

  35. Crystal had the advantage of coming in with 9 original songs that she wrote throughout her life as she was going through experiences. I think Crystal is a great songwriter, but would her album have been as good if she had to co-write 12 new songs in a period of 3-4 months? Would Lee’s album have been better if he had more time to write and be more creative? Who knows? I guess their sophomore albums will answer these questions.

  36. I don’t think anyone said that a co-write can’t be personal (I just mentioned Adam’s collaboration with Wells that resulted in BO, and Cook’s Permanent would be another example), but, it certainly helps if you are able to connect with your writing partner.

  37. I´m ignorant about the co-writing procedures, and I´d guess they vary. But I´d think in the case of Lee, either he or who he´s writing with, already has some idea going on about a song when they meet, and they continue from there, giving input and ideas back and fourth. It´s not like they start a co-writing session from a clean table, or do they?

  38. But I also think that has to do with personality. Crystal is Crystal. She is the type who will push for what she believes in – and challenge the status quo. Some people have argued that may have cost her the American Idol win.

    But her uniqueness will serve her well outside of the AI bubble.

    Whereas Lee is a nice guy, but there really isn’t anything that special or different about him or his music that will help him stand out and be competitive in the over saturated pop market.

    I keep reading comments like this about Crystal. However, I don’t see this uniqueness, this challenging the status quo. What’s so special about her that you couldn’t use to descibe some other singer with a similiar folky vibe?

    IMO, ‘Hold On’ is no better than SS. In fact, it’s worse. HO sounds like it should be coming from Taylor Swift, not Crystal. For all its alleged ‘beigeness,’ at least I can see where Lee would sing something in that vein. Crystal and HO don’t go together, IMO.

    I suppose one could argue that because she didn’t write the song, it doesn’t truly represent her artistry. But still, it’s not like either Lee or Crystal is setting the music industry on fire just yet.

    Neither Lee nor Crystal are unique entities yet. Maybe they’ll become that in time. But for now, they’re just widgets in the Idol machine, hoping to catch a break. Both are still horses among the herd. Neither is a zebra.

  39. I read both Chicago reviews, the Trib and the Sun-times. The overall analysis of the album was very similar, but the tone of the articles was very different. The even-handed, though ultimately negative, reviews like Trib and Hitfix don’t bother me that much. The Sun-Times dude? Yeesh. I remember this dude and the review from the tour. It just seemed to me that Conner was trying to kill Lee’s career before it got off the ground. That sounds dramatic, but it (the tour review) was the most mean-spirited review I had read in a professional news source, and more mean-spirited than almost every semi-pro idol blogger I had read, which is saying a lot.

    I have a hard time seeing how the over-all quality of Lee’s album is any less than the preceding two AI winners albums. And I own all three of them. Ah well.

  40. I think Crystal is a great songwriter, but would her album have been as good if she had to co-write 12 new songs in a period of 3-4 months?

    I think it depends on the demographic. For people who like the current light weight formula music, it would have been probably much better to them. For her core fan group and others who are more into the AAA format of music, probably not

  41. what I got from the NY Times review is that the writer doesn’t think the Lee on LIU is anything like the Lee on his two pre-Idol albums…and that he prefers the pre-Idol one.

    I’m not expecting a bunch of great reviews — those are rare for Idol winners. I know Kris got mixed reviews for his album — including a really bad one from the LA Times. I think David Cook got mixed reviews as well. Don’t remember too much about reviews for the others, but I’d guess those were a mixed bag as well. I’m always surprised when they actually get a good review from someone who isn’t all caught up in dissecting the AI “machine”

  42. I think Crystal is a great songwriter, but would her album have been as good if she had to co-write 12 new songs in a period of 3-4 months?

    I don’t know. One of the charges that has been thrown at Crystal, even by her supporters, is that her music sounds dated. For her supporters, that critique is a good thing, but I think it was Jive’s job to take Crystal’s sound, and while keeping everything that makes Crystal “Crystal”, help her craft songs that retain that folksy sound, but would appeal to people today. It’s one thing to sing covers of songs that people loved in the 1960’s, people are open to these songs because they remind them of their pasts, but it’s another to expect people to open to new songs that stick to the same formula that was used to craft a song forty years ago.

    I think that both Jason Castro and Brooke White had a similar problem. Both produced good albums that would have been huge if we were in 1970 and AM radio was people’s main source of music, but since that’s not the case, their music was mostly ignored.

  43. Crystal had the advantage of coming in with 9 original songs that she wrote throughout her life as she was going through experiences

    2 originals and one co-write were written after the tour. She also wrote at least 2 others, maybe more, after the tour, that didn´t make it on the album.

  44. Seeing twitter comments that Kris will be on air with Ryan Seacrest at KIIS FM tomorrow morning at 8:30 a.m. PDT.

  45. Kris is going to be on Ryan Seacrest’s radio show tomorrow at 8:30 am. Wonder if he’ll play AWM? Kris is doing Ryan’s “Purse Party” on Wednesday, so it might get a token spin

  46. Buffalo Springfield – For What It’s Worth cover was added very late to the “Crystal Bowersox – Live At the Vineyard” thread. So, for those who checked the thread before it was added, here it is. I loved it, but think it will be much better on the album with a full band. Bluesy and soulful

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bSvBxQ_OlM

  47. The Chicago Sun Times:

    DeWyze triumphed as king of the dullards on what was roundly panned as “Idol’s” dullest season.

    This is not the first time this has been said about the AI9 season — so it’s no surprise that this would carry over in the review…

    The Lee DeWyze Drinking Game, gulping a shot for every cliche, could induce alcohol poisoning by track five.

    Guess it’s clear how Conner feels about DeWyze’s song writing abilities. Ouch.

  48. Kris is going to be on Ryan Seacrest’s radio show tomorrow at 8:30 am. Wonder if he’ll play AWM? Kris is doing Ryan’s “Purse Party” on Wednesday, so it might get a token spin

    It’s going to be a busy Wednesday for Kris. Katy is back in L.A. today and she may want to get one of those designer purses.

  49. Lee’s album still not on Itunes. Hope people aren’t buying Slumberland by mistake, it’s risen all the way up to #156.

  50. @RCAPromo: It’s true! Adam Lambert will release “Acoustic Live” 5 song EP on Dec 6th via digital providers! Limited CDs avail @ AdamOfficial.com

    Hmmm limited CD’s available

  51. yea, that would be bad for RCA, but good for Wuli . If RCA had invested on banners or ads then they wouldn’t have this problem, to bad for them.

  52. Hmmm limited CD’s available

    I see another server crash coming, like the calendars.

  53. @RCAPromo: Re: Acoustic Live! “WWFM”, “Music Again”, “Aftermath”, “Soaked”, “Mad World”

    I knew they were gonna put MW on it but \o/ for Soaked

  54. sr4mjc:

    I see another server crash coming, like the calendars.

    Well that is the only RCA/Sony tweet that said limited the rest just said CD’s available only on AO. So hopefully its not limited. Hehe still gonna crash the servers like every other time lol

  55. Lee’s album still not on Itunes. Hope people aren’t buying Slumberland by mistake, it’s risen all the way up to #156.

    That’s ridiculous. How hard is it to get an album loaded on I-Tunes? Someone has really dropped the ball on that. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Lee, I think we can all agree that he deserves to have his current album be available at the same time as everyone else’s.

  56. http://www.razor.tv/site/servlet/segment/main/entertainment/56716.html

    16 November, 2010

    Grandmas try to kiss me! (David Archuleta 2010 Pt 1)
    [05:09]

    RazorTV caught up with American Idol runner-up David Archuleta once again during his second visit to Singapore. Here for the album promotions of “The Other Side of Down”, the 19-year-old singer tells us all about how he’s the target of grandmas, and how uncomfortable he feels if some fans get too touchy.
    ———

    oh lol he talks about how he doesnt like the older fans getting all touchy feely and trying to kiss him and stuff. Funny that he actually talked about that and showed his disapproval.

  57. I have a hard time seeing how the over-all quality of Lee’s album is any less than the preceding two AI winners albums. And I own all three of them. Ah well.

    DCTA got bad reviews but sold well, don’t know about KATA.

  58. Actually Crystal’s advantage was not that she had 9 original songs from throughout her life, but that they were not spoken for as Lee’s were. I don’t think he could have used his because they were tied up in contract with his old band. Lee had way more than 9 old songs, as did Kris, and David Cook, and a host of others. Some could not use theirs, and others chose not to (or the label did). Crystal was different only in that hers were free and clear for use, and for whatever reason (in her favor or not, we may never know) the label is using them.

  59. I think it is highly probably that a number of the Slumberland purchases are confusion, while the rest are people buying the only thing that’s up right now. It reminds me of when David Cook’s Permanent got screwed up on iTunes and people were buying the album version because that’s what was there. I think it took a day or more for the charity version to go up.

  60. well, if nothing else, at least Lee’s making some $$$ off the Slumberland sales

  61. springboard:
    11/16/2010 at 11:41 am
    I have a hard time seeing how the over-all quality of Lee’s album is any less than the preceding two AI winners albums. And I own all three of them. Ah well.

    DCTA got bad reviews but sold well, don’t know about KATA.

    Actually both Kris and Cook did fairly well overall in terms of their album reviews.

    Cook had a Metacritic Score of 61 which fall into the Green Category of “Generally Favorable Reviews”.

    Kris had a Metacritic Score of 52 which fall into the Yellow Category of “Mixed or Average Reviews”.

  62. It would be nice to see a press release that wasn’t OTT in its praise once in awhile. But oh well :)

  63. It would be nice to see a press release that wasn’t OTT in its praise once in awhile. But oh well

    I think the nature of press releases is for them to be very very positive. At least Adam’s, though flowery and “glowing” don’t tell any untruths or half truths.

    And the hyperbole didn’t start until paragraph 4. The rest was basically just relating facts.

  64. girlygirl:
    11/16/2010 at 12:24 pm
    It would be nice to see a press release that wasn’t OTT in its praise once in awhile. But oh well

    Or perhaps we can just leave it to the idol fans to make OTT announcements. LOL ;)

  65. Re: LIU’s negative review in CS-T: That review was very harsh. I looked at the comments and this one says something that I wonder if it is true or not?

    mothball wrote:
    Mr. Conner just can’t get past getting beat up by DeWyze in junior high school…let it go.

    Certainly would explain his animosity towards Lee, but then, if he has a negative history with Lee, he shouldn’t be reviewing his album!

  66. Actually both Kris and Cook did fairly well overall in terms of their album reviews.

    Cook had a Metacritic Score of 61 which fall into the Green Category of “Generally Favorable Reviews”.

    Kris had a Metacritic Score of 52 which fall into the Yellow Category of “Mixed or Average Reviews”.

    You are right, DCTA did better than I thought.
    It’s intersting, FYE got 71, Leave this Town 59.
    Scores and sales don’t necessarily go hand in hand.

  67. So after Bill Zwecker writes an ok interview article with Lee, Chicago Sun Times goes on to trash Lee’s album? Why is it that his own home town isn’t supporting him?

    It’s not the critics job to prop up the hometown boy. Lee needed to put out a good album and instead his songwriting is lambasted as cliche ridden, and the whole thing is generally getting a big yawn with a side of “meh.” Just like Jive made a mistake by letting Archuleta write on his album, RCA should have taken a look at the first couple songs Lee produced, realized what was happening, and said “dude, here are 12 songs. Just sing ’em, don’t try to write ’em.” After listening to the songs it becomes clear why Lee was a “struggling singer-songwriter” and probably should have remained so.

  68. Really liked how David A handled those interviews. The interviewers certainly are persistant and David answers so non-defensively. I like how he is non-defensive and true to who he is. I think he sees himself as an example of how you can live your life according to your values and not have to pretend to be some cool cat just to please society. He is also setting boundaries for fans who may be a little over friendly.

    I don’t feel Jive made a mistake letting Archuleta write on his album!! He will learn from this experience and you can see in Asia that his songs are well received and some are topping the charts there.

  69. Wonder if thats pre-orders that are catching up or real time purchases??

  70. The review also shows that the albatross that Lee and Crystal will have to deal with is the meme that their season was the dullest one yet. IMO, they brought this on themselves by not stepping up last year, and doing something different, even when it was evident that they were the front runners.

    I just wanted to respond quickly to this statement (before I read through the rest of the thread). I don’t think that you’re wrong, but I think that both Lee and Crystal were emulating what had been a winning strategy in the previous season. It wasn’t the guy who switched stuff up for the sake of doing something different that won. It was the guy who stayed “true to himself” who won the trophy. (I put that in quotes because I think both Kris and Adam did that–it’s just that Adam’s “true to himself” was playing around with his image.)

    IMO, Adam’s boldness gave cover to Kris and helped him take the musical risks that made Kris exciting. But I think it’s important to remember how strong that backbench was. Whatever your opinion of Danny during the show, he’s proved since that he does have the voice, the personality, and the charisma to be a star. Allison was blowing away all the media critics with her voice. Matt, Anoop, and Scott were strong, accomplished artists. They didn’t always succeed, but they took risks and gave their all every performance. Even the rest of the thirteen, who didn’t have the same ability/training/experience — they still pushed their limits every week. There was no margin for complacency for the frontrunners.

    In Season Nine, it seemed like most of the contestants were either floundering or coasting. Siobhan took chances, but she hadn’t really figured herself out. Lee gave his best — but his confidence wasn’t there. Only Crystal had the chops and the confidence to pull off the big risks. But how hard should she keep running when the rest of the group was straggling a half-mile behind her? Why switch it up when she knows what works for her, and when the guy who did switch it up the year before lost?

    But you’re right. The irony is that Adam is becoming an international star just like Simon said he would (I’ll give Adam a few more years to get to that Superstar thing). And Crystal, who did the most pushing last year will probably end up more successful than Lee. I don’t think that’s because Lee is lacking in anything now, but more because he’s the third WGWG and he has to compete with David and Kris for the WGWG fans. Crystal is completely different from all the other major label idols and seems more interesting.

  71. Wonder if thats pre-orders that are catching up or real time purchases??

    It’s both. Pre-Orders make the climb up the charts much faster initially, but the key is to stay there for a long time. If he’s in the top 10 in 48 hours, that will be a good indicator of solid sales.

  72. I don’t think that’s because Lee is lacking in anything now, but more because he’s the third WGWG and he has to compete with David and Kris for the WGWG fans.

    Yup – because I don’t know about anyone else, but that’s how I determine my musical preferences. Are they a WGWG? Yes, well then, I will be a fan. No? Well then I cannot possibly be a fan, because you are not a WGWG.

    I AM that limited in my musical outlook.

    And I’m 100% sure that every Cook/Kris/Lee/Daughtry fan is too.

    The only problem is that I only have room in my tiny musical mind for one – or at a maximum – two WGWG at a time, so what is Lee to do? The poor man is doomed, I tell you – doomed.

  73. It’s both. Pre-Orders make the climb up the charts much faster initially, but the key is to stay there for a long time. If he’s in the top 10 in 48 hours, that will be a good indicator of solid sales.

    Well, looks like the preorder lift has dwindled. DeWyze’s album has fallen to #13 overall.

  74. But you’re right. The irony is that Adam is becoming an international star just like Simon said he would (I’ll give Adam a few more years to get to that Superstar thing). And Crystal, who did the most pushing last year will probably end up more successful than Lee. I don’t think that’s because Lee is lacking in anything now, but more because he’s the third WGWG and he has to compete with David and Kris for the WGWG fans. Crystal is completely different from all the other major label idols and seems more interesting.

    I don’t agree with anything that you wrote, but I’m not going down the boring path of rehashing previous seasons. Nor, will I say that someone is a superstar or star after only one year off of AI, it takes everybody more than a year to become established and a “star.” And while I don’t have a crystal ball to predict who will do better between Lee and Crystal, I will say that all signs point to both having to overcome a lot of obstacles. As talented as Crystal is, it’s not like her AI studio songs and album did any better than Lee’s, they actually sold worse. And considering her market, it’s way too soon to say what will happen to her.

    Thanks fadetowhite, I forgot to address that part. The average person doesn’t really care whether or not Lee is from AI. The average consumer isn’t going to buy Lee’s album just because he was on AI, but it is not something that will play a part in whether or not someone likes or buys his music. This, if I’m a fan of Kris Allen then I can’t be a fan of Lee Dewyze (substitute any other names for these two) is silly, and doesn’t exist beyond the idol bubble. Thankfully, very few people inhabit the idol bubble.

  75. Have to say that I’m a bit disappointed with the Sweet Serendipity video – it was rather underwhelming. Don’t like the split screen. Scroll to the bottom of this page for a full preview:

    http://tinyurl.com/2vdcr8w

    I’ve probably posted this in the wrong place!

  76. But you’re right. The irony is that Adam is becoming an international star just like Simon said he would (I’ll give Adam a few more years to get to that Superstar thing). And Crystal, who did the most pushing last year will probably end up more successful than Lee. I don’t think that’s because Lee is lacking in anything now, but more because he’s the third WGWG and he has to compete with David and Kris for the WGWG fans. Crystal is completely different from all the other major label idols and seems more interesting.

    You are quite right…the runner’s up were more interesting and much better performers but the winner was the safer choice.

  77. The average consumer isn’t going to buy Lee’s album just because he was on AI,

    Right now the average consumer barely knows that Lee exists. The whole point of winning Idol are the hopefully thousands of fans who vote for you on the show. Then you can cross over to average consumer with radio hits. I’m rooting for Lee so this is nothing personal.

    Idol is actually in a new phase.The show hasn’t produced a superstar since S5. People achieve success but don’t dominate their genre anymore. And of course, it’s quite possible that people will surprise you.

    I don’t want to argue that Idol X is or isn’t a superstar. Most non Idol bubble types agree with my opinion. It’s a common meme in articles about the show. Hell even Nigel agrees with me. ;)

  78. Since MJ covers DWTS I thought I would post this very weird abstinence and safe sex PSA that Bristol Palin and The Situation made. I don’t know whether to laugh or be afraid.

    http://www.thefablife.com/2010-11-16/the-worlds-most-ironic-abstinence-commercial-starring-bristol-palin-and-the-situation/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    You are quite right…the runner’s up were more interesting and much better performers but the winner was the safer choice.

    Not for me they weren’t. The great thing about the show is that since so many viewers have their own tastes and likes, anyone can win.

  79. Idol is actually in a new phase.The show hasn’t produced a superstar since S5.

    How many superstars did they producer before the fifth season? And does Kelly’s third album not selling well, her third not going platinum, and her last tour not selling out mean that she is no longer a superstar?

  80. that’s how I determine my musical preferences. Are they a WGWG? Yes, well then, I will be a fan. No? Well then I cannot possibly be a fan, because you are not a WGWG.
    […]
    The only problem is that I only have room in my tiny musical mind for one – or at a maximum – two WGWG at a time, so what is Lee to do? The poor man is doomed, I tell you – doomed.

    LOL, FTW. With you 100% today ;). I also have this problem with rotating my max of 2 WGWGs at once. It’s a big pain and tremendously confusing–I am constantly “de-fanning” myself of Jack Johnson, Newton Faulkner, Matt Wertz, David Cook, John Mayer, Iron & Wine, Jason Mraz, Bon Iver, Matt Nathanson, Gavin Degraw… I mean, they are SO SIMILAR, there’s no possible way I could like them all or tell them apart, what with the whiteness, and the guitarness of them all.

    And don’t get me started on all the guys with guitars in BANDS that I like. Since I’m really into Broken Bells and Vampire Weekend lately, I’ve had to ditch Gaslight Anthem, DMB, Swell Season, KOL, The Killers, Snow Patrol, Green Day, Arcade Fire, Jimmy Eat World, Foo Fighters—I mean Chris Martin plays the guitar occasionally so Coldplay is gone too… I saw Bono with an acoustic once, so U2 is out as well. it’s tremendously confusing, but it’s just soo hard to tell all these guitar-playing white guys apart. Doomed, all of them. DOOMED!

  81. I’ve probably posted this in the wrong place!

    Yes, it may belong in the thread MJ has up that is dedicated to the Sweet Serendipity video itself and comments ;)

  82. Careers in music are tough to maintain. Lots of people fade but that doesn’t mean they weren’t stars at one time. But Kelly can still kick ass. I’m hoping her country song hits #1.

  83. This is a boring argument though. Idol has transitioned into a show that produces success but not big stars.

    I wasn’t arguing, I legitimately wanted to know. It doesn’t matter to me, especially since everybody’s description of the word star is different. Frankly, I think it’s amazing that AI has discovered such a diverse group of people, even among the nine winners. I think they are all talented, and all have found success doing what they love. The thing that I love about AI is that they gave these people a chance. I think that given how narrow minded and even bigoted the industry can be, that it would have been impossible for a lot of the people who have gone through AI to get into the industry without the boost that the show gave them. For me, that means more than whether or not these people dominate their genre.

    That wasn’t meant to be argumentative, I was just remembering why I like the show.

  84. You are quite right…the runner’s up were more interesting and much better performers but the winner was the safer choice.

    How so?

  85. No arguments from me. I just wanted to stop beating my own dead horse. ;)

  86. I mean, they are SO SIMILAR, there’s no possible way I could like them all or tell them apart, what with the whiteness, and the guitarness of them all.

    Hey, don’t forget the guyness! That’s the real kicker in this whole trying to tell them all apart business.

  87. I mean, they are SO SIMILAR, there’s no possible way I could like them all or tell them apart, what with the whiteness, and the guitarness of them all.

    Woah – yeah!

    It’s a real problem, that it is.

    And the guyness too…

    I don’t know what I’m going to do!

  88. I mean, they are SO SIMILAR, there’s no possible way I could like them all or tell them apart, what with the whiteness, and the guitarness of them all.

    Don’t forget the plaid. Did you forget the plaid?? Oh and the side mouth singing. David’s lack of that trait is how I keep him straight from the others.

    I kid.

  89. Sorry. I should have been more clear instead of using the WGWG shorthand.

    What I meant to say is this: While David Cook, Kris Allen, and Lee DeWyze are very different individuals with unique talents, they inhabit a similar soft rock sound. Forgive me if one of them veers more into folk rock or corporate rock. I really don’t know how the various rock subdivisions break down. But to me, they have a similar sound. Now, if I’m passionate about that area of music, then of course there’s going to be infinite space on my shelf for it.

    But if I’m not passionate about it, then I’m going to wonder if I need a third album on my shelf, when I already have David and Kris’s. Me being not a passionate fan, but a casual one. On the other hand, Crystal has a different sound. So, as a casual fan, I’m just more interested in adding her than Lee.

    So, when I said WGWG fans, I meant those who might lean towards purchasing that type of music, as opposed to those who dislike it, or are so into a different genre that they don’t want soft rock at all.

    And yeah, it’s stupid of me to predict who is going to sell better. But what the hey. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.

  90. Oh and the side mouth singing. David’s lack of that trait is how I keep him straight from the others.

    Uh oh, I beg to differ. David may not side-mouth sing, but he does other to-the-side singing things that may confuse you! He of course does the glory note head tilt to the right. And let’s not forget the little smirky lip curl he makes on the right side of his mouth when he sings a wry lyric. Just watch the AI Hello video if you don’t believe me (yes, I have it on my iPod, STILL =P).

  91. But if I’m not passionate about it, then I’m going to wonder if I need a third album on my shelf, when I already have David and Kris’s. Me being not a passionate fan, but a casual one. On the other hand, Crystal has a different sound. So, as a casual fan, I’m just more interested in adding her than Lee.

    Fair enough, if that’s how you feel. But honestly, until I heard Lee’s new album, based solely on their performances on AI (as a casual fan), I found Lee and Crystal to be more similar in style to each other than Lee ever was to what I’ve heard from either Kris or David. And if I had to choose now, Lee’s album is probably most similar to Kris’, and not at all similar to David’s, or what I’m expecting from Crystal. And Lee’s really not that close to Kris either– about as close as David is to Daughtry, which is not that close, but closer than they are to the other Idol choices for comparison. That’s my 2 cents.

  92. IMO, Adam’s boldness gave cover to Kris and helped him take the musical risks that made Kris exciting. But I think it’s important to remember how strong that backbench was. Whatever your opinion of Danny during the show, he’s proved since that he does have the voice, the personality, and the charisma to be a star. Allison was blowing away all the media critics with her voice. Matt, Anoop, and Scott were strong, accomplished artists. They didn’t always succeed, but they took risks and gave their all every performance. Even the rest of the thirteen, who didn’t have the same ability/training/experience — they still pushed their limits every week. There was no margin for complacency for the frontrunners.

    Montevalla, your entire post is made of win. This paragraph describes to a tee the difference between the season 8 and season 9 contestants. I do think Lee tried hard, but I think he tried hard to be someone he was not. His pre-Idol stuff is wonderful but he’s sold out to be a star. The sad thing is, he doesn’t have what it takes to be a star. I am saying this as a Lee fan–he was actually my favorite this past season. I admire Crystal for sticking to her guns, but don’t think that will bode well for her as far as Jive goes. From what I’ve heard, I actually think I’ll like her album better than Lee’s (which is too bland and doesn’t rock enough for me) but I doubt she’ll get any promotion from Jive. If Allison couldn’t be a commercial success, I doubt Crystal will be either.

    As for season 8, it’s funny how TPTB knew all along–that it would be Adam and Danny who had the most commercial potential and were the most likely to become stars in their chosen genres. That’s why they were pimped. Even with Danny’s lack of experience and clear style, TPTB still saw that he had that star charisma, something that cannot be learned. You either have it or you don’t. Adam and Danny both do. Lee (loveable and humble as he is) doesn’t. Loveableness and humility do not make a star, they just make you a lot of friends.

    During season 8, many people couldn’t understand why TPTB pushed for Danny to be in the finals due to his lack of experience and his awkwardness. Yet he still got all the way to third place, over others who had more experience and musical knowledge than he did, and put up some stiff competition against one Adam Lambert, who had years of theater and musical background, and Kris Allen, who also had a lot of pre Idol experience. All Danny had was pure raw talent and am unbelievable voice. Now he’s on his way to possibly being the most successful third place finisher in Idol history. Who knew? Even his fans didn’t.

    I don’t see anyone from season 9 having the kind of success that Adam, Kris and Danny are starting to have, and never even coming close to the Big 3–Kelly/Carrie/Daughtry. The problem with season 9 wasn’t lack of talent (I think Lee, Crystal and several others are amazingly talented) but lack of charisma. There are no stars in this group of contestants, and that’s why the season seemed so dull.

    I went over to Walmart today to see if Lee’s CD was in stock, and I didn’t see a sign, endcap, slot, or CD anywhere. I sure hope this isn’t the situation everywhere.

    I find it rather hilarious that Live It Up wasn’t even up on iTunes earlier today, and many casual fans, not knowing any better, were ordering Lee’s Slumberland. Lee and WuliRecords will get the money for those sales, but unless there’s something I don’t know, RCA lost out. Bwahaha! I’m sure whoever was responsible for that snafu is out of a job now. As for the fans who ordered the wrong CD, they got a better CD anyway IMO.

  93. toonces1966- I disagree that Kris doesn’t have a charisma(I find him a very charismatic performer) and I also don’t think that Danny is a bigger star than Kris is at the moment.

  94. Now he’s probably the most successful third place finisher in Idol history and his rise to stardom shows no signs of stopping any time soon.

    Elliott Yamin had a song go top 5 on Pop and sold over 500K copies of his independent album. I think he holds the total of most successful third place finisher in Idol history.

    If you throw open the doors to people who finished out of the top 2, Daughtry would be the most successful, followed by Pickler and then Elliott or Josh. Bucky and Mandisa have also been more successful than Danny.

    Not to diminish Danny’s accomplishments. Just throwing out some facts.

  95. toonces1966- I disagree that Kris doesn’t have a Charisma and I also don’t think that Danny is a bigger star than Kris is at the moment.

    I just edited my post. I do think all 3 of season 8’s Top 3 have more star power than anyone from season 9. I hope Lee proves me wrong, because I really like his voice and his music (not sure about the new CD). Time will tell.

    ETA: I think Allison had the “it: factor too. I put most of the blame on Jive for not marketing her the way she should have been. There also might have been a problem as far as reconciling her rocker style with her young age, but she does have the potential to be a star.

    If you throw open the doors to people who finished out of the top 2, Daughtry would be the most successful, followed by Pickler and then Elliott or Josh. Bucky and Mandisa have also been more successful than Danny.

    Elliott, Bucky, Mandisa, Kellie have all been pretty successful in their chosen genres, but they’ve also been around a lot longer. It’s hard to compare someone who’s just starting out to someone who’s had a few years off Idol under their belt. I said in my post that Danny would “probably” be the most successful third place finisher. That doesn’t mean he will be, but I think it’s likely he could.

    As for Daughtry, Kelly, Carrie, who knows if anyone can ever match their level of success? I don’t see it happening right now but I could be wrong about that too. Adam comes closest at the moment.

  96. Thank you, Toonces1966. You hit on the main point of my post, which is gratifying.

    I don’t see anyone from season 9 having the kind of success that Adam, Kris, and Danny are starting to have, and never even coming close to the Big 3–Kelly/Carrie/Daughtry.

    Maybe not. But it’s kind of a pity that there are such heavy expectations placed on the winners. Now that AI is entering its tenth season, we can have a little perspective and see that multi-platinum sales are not the automatic due of an AI finalist. Nor does the lack of them mean that an idol is a failure. Almost all the winners and runners-up from AI are still successfully working in music, right? That’s a really good track record.
    (Edited to make the quote agree with the revised post.)

  97. I can see Crystal doing better than Allison. I don’t think anyone from season 9 can come remotely close to Adam, Kris I don’t know, but I still fail to see how Danny is some huge star who’s success will be hard to replicate. No offense to Danny fans. If anything maybe Casey is the closest to wait to compare since he’s going to Dannys genre? But why is season 8 the measure of success anyway? If Lee doesn’t sell what Kris sold is his career over? Kris seems to have survived just fine despite not selling close to what the winner and runner-up from season 7 sold.

  98. Adam is not liked among idol(blogger)fans and he is never been felt to be part of the whole kumbaya idol family.

    Really? Has he said anything? I don’t follow closely. Adam’s always seemed really gracious about Idol, and the show had him back for two nights to mentor and guest perform, and occasionally name-dropped him last season (e.g. Mad World was mentioned as an example of a ‘moment’)… all indications to me that they treat him well, he’s gracious about the show, and it’s a nice kumbaya relationship. Which is great. I find it generally lame when Idols start talking trash about the show that gave them their start.

  99. Elliott, Bucky, Mandisa, Kellie have all been pretty successful in their chosen genres, but they’ve also been around a lot longer. It’s hard to compare someone who’s just starting out to someone who’s had a few years off Idol under their belt.

    If we consider their success at the same point in their careers (i.e. the fall after the year that they were on Idol), they were all already more successful than Danny at that point. Elliott, Bucky and Danny even released their albums at about the same point in the cycle (the Q1 after their Idol year). Bucky, Kellie and Josh share a genre with Danny, sold more CDs and had bigger hits on Country radio with their first albums.

    Danny is doing fine and he may end up being a huge star, but he’s currently not the most successful 3rd place finisher or non-final 2 finisher by any measure.

  100. Adam is not liked among idol(blogger)fans and he is never been felt to be part of the whole kumbaya idol family.

    The only two idol blogger sites that I know of who don’t like Adam don’t really count in my book. :)

    He’s never been anything but gracious and complimentary to Idol so I’m not sure why this would even be so.

  101. The only two idol blogger sites that I know of who don’t like Adam don’t really count in my book. :)

    He’s never been anything but gracious and complimentary to Idol so I’m not sure why this would even be so.

    The Idol franchise has been good to Adam. Just ignore the rest :)

  102. It’s hard to compare someone who’s just starting out to someone who’s had a few years off Idol under their belt.

    Danny isn’t just starting out. Some artists whole careers span the amount of time since Danny released his first single, and certainly since he was on Idol. Season 10 of idol starts in less than two months, the season 8 idols will soon be in the a few years off idol group. They aren’t the newbies anymore.

  103. I don’t see anyone from season 9 having the kind of success that Adam, Kris and Danny are starting to have, and never even coming close to the Big 3–Kelly/Carrie/Daughtry. The problem with season 9 wasn’t lack of talent (I think Lee, Crystal and several others are amazingly talented) but lack of charisma. There are no stars in this group of contestants, and that’s why the season seemed so dull.

    I went over to Walmart today to see if Lee’s CD was in stock, and I didn’t see a sign, endcap, slot, or CD anywhere. I sure hope this isn’t the situation everywhere.

    First, because today is Lee’s day — I live in the heart of Idol country when it comes to sales and TV viewership — the Southeast. I was in two Walmarts today — on in Memphis suburbs and on in North Mississippi. No Lee CDs, no Lee video, no anything!

    They did have Carrie, Adam FYE and Adam Take One in stock. That was it — both stores. I asked for Lee’s CD and they said they did not have any — both stores.

    Regarding the AI8 comment. Adam is clearly the breakout talent of his season — and I do not think anyone from AI9 will outsell him. And no one else from AI8 or AI9 is likely to match Adam’s commercial success or celebrity status.

    BUT I think that Lee, Crystal and/or Casey could be more successful than Danny, and even Kris, (my money is on Crystal and Casey). EXCEPT that no one from AI9 and no one else from AI8 (except Adam) is likely to have a bigger single that Kris’ LLWD.

    And I am almost certain that someone from AI9 will sell more than 200K copies of their debut album and establish themselves as a successful headliner. In other word, be more successful than Danny. No know on Danny, just I have a belief that Crystal and/or Casey may find a commercial market.

    Finally, I am not counting Lee out. I think he will sell 45K this week and could end up over 200K+ in the end. Also putting him ahead of Danny. He won Idol and he has fans.

  104. Elliott Yamin had a song go top 5 on Pop and sold over 500K copies of his independent album. I think he holds the total of most successful third place finisher in Idol history.

    If you throw open the doors to people who finished out of the top 2, Daughtry would be the most successful, followed by Pickler and then Elliott or Josh. Bucky and Mandisa have also been more successful than Danny.

    Not to diminish Danny’s accomplishments. Just throwing out some facts.

    And not to forget — Jennifer Hudson.

  105. He’s never been anything but gracious and complimentary to Idol

    In every interview I have seen of him and I am pretty sure I have seen them all.

  106. I don’t see anyone from season 9 having the kind of success that Adam, Kris and Danny are starting to have, and never even coming close to the Big 3–Kelly/Carrie/Daughtry. The problem with season 9 wasn’t lack of talent (I think Lee, Crystal and several others are amazingly talented) but lack of charisma. There are no stars in this group of contestants, and that’s why the season seemed so dull.

    Can these people release some music first, before we label them failures? People have rewritten history, but I remember Jennifer Hudson’s idol run. People seem to forget that she wasn’t voted into the top twelve, she was put into that slot because of Randy. They also forget that even though she had a great voice, she didn’t have any control over it, and would often be painfully out of tone. At the time she boasted about never receiving singing lessons, but sometime after AI she decided to change that, and the rest is history.

    My point is that nobody would have guessed that the Jennifer who went through AI, the girl with the questionable fashion sense, and who was a little full of herself, would get herself together, work to become a better singer, sell over 700K records, or appear on a record for someone with a strict work ethic like Quincy Jones. Any of these people can be successful if they work at it, and their success is not dependent on anyone else from AI failing.

  107. Finally, I am not counting Lee out. I think he will sell 45K this week and could end up over 200K+ in the end. Also putting him ahead of Danny. He won Idol and he has fans.

    Lee should have higher prospects & expectations to do better than Danny, although I don’t know that he will at least in the short run. Lee was the clear winner of his season and has had the winner’s promo–a whole lot more promo than Danny as a third-place finisher and working out of Nashville had leading up to his album launch. Lee’s also in a genre that can move a lot more units than country, except for the occasional breakout country or crossover album. So in the long run, even if his sales this week aren’t as high as Danny reached last spring, Lee could well surpass Danny if things fall his way on radio or with other factors in his favor.

    Good luck to Lee in any event. I wasn’t particularly a fan of his on the show, but I’m among those who think it’s good for the show franchise that he does at least reasonably well.

  108. But it seems we are only measuring on radio and sales. I think you also have to take into account touring and genre participation. Each of the forementioned idol finalists have done well with initial sales and radio but Kellie P’s radio accomplishments lately aren’t anything to speak of, Bucky no radio, no album, no label. Elliot really has no presence anywhere anymore.

    I have no idea where Danny will end up but of this group he is the of the few that in his first year has hosted the red carpets for both the ACM and the AMA, performed on the big stage at the CMTs and had several genre nominations. I can see no circumstance whereas Casey would get these opportunities since they are basically starting at scratch with him.

  109. http://www.billboard.com/#/features/top-24-american-idols-of-all-time-1004088662.story

    American Idol’s All Time Top 24

    “American Idol” fans may have called in votes by the millions each week of each of the show’s nine seasons, but winning isn’t always everything once the finale’s confetti settles. How have the contestants stacked up out in the wider waters of the music industry? By totaling the album sales, individual song sales and radio play counts (according to Nielsen SoundScan and Nielsen BDS as of April 17), we’ve figured out the true top 24 “Idols” of all time.

    #1
    Kelly Clarkson
    Album Sales: 10,600,000
    Track Sales: 15,900,000
    Radio Plays: 4,260,000

    #2
    Carrie Underwood
    Album Sales: 11,500,000
    Track Sales: 13,900,000
    Radio Plays: 2,426,000

    #3
    Chris Daughtry
    Album Sales: 5,700,000
    Track Sales: 9,500,000
    Radio Plays: 2,439,000

    #4
    Jordin Sparks
    Album Sales: 1,300,000
    Track Sales: 9,000,000
    Radio Plays: 1,146,000

    #5
    David Cook
    Album Sales: 1,300,000
    Track Sales: 3,900,000
    Radio Plays: 536,000

    #6
    Clay Aiken
    Album Sales: 4,900,000
    Track Sales: 532,000
    Radio Plays: 195,000

    #7
    Kellie Pickler
    Album Sales: 1,300,000
    Track Sales: 2,900,000
    Radio Plays: 373,000

    #8
    David Archuleta
    Album Sales: 968,000
    Track Sales: 3,000,000
    Radio Plays: 177,000

    #9
    Fantasia
    Album Sales: 2,300,000
    Track Sales: 957,000
    Radio Plays: 624,000

    #10
    Ruben Studdard
    Album Sales: 2,600,000
    Track Sales: 337,000
    Radio Plays: 434,000

    #11
    Kris Allen
    Album Sales: 310,000
    Track Sales: 2,600,000
    Radio Plays: 165,000

    #12
    Adam Lambert
    Album Sales: 685,000
    Track Sales: 2,200,000
    Radio Plays: 91,000

  110. But if I’m not passionate about it, then I’m going to wonder if I need a third album on my shelf, when I already have David and Kris’s. Me being not a passionate fan, but a casual one. On the other hand, Crystal has a different sound. So, as a casual fan, I’m just more interested in adding her than Lee.

    Most people, the vast majority that these people have to appeal to, don’t make their music buying choices based on how many AI albums they have, how many male singers albums they have, or how many WGWG albums they have. They base their choices on whether or not they like the music.

    Hardcore AI fans are the only ones who will buy an album without listening to it, and regardless if it meets their musical tastes. As far as Lee and Crystal go, there are a lot of signs that their AI hardcore fan bases aren’t very big. But the most important thing is that the hardcore fans are not the ones that either of them have to win over with their music, that’s why the whole discussion makes no sense. Anybody who comes off of AI has one main goal, to appeal to people who actually like their music, and who are going to purchase their albums because of the music, and not because of AI.

  111. As for season 8, it’s funny how TPTB knew all along–that it would be Adam and Danny who had the most commercial potential and were the most likely to become stars in their chosen genres.

    Danny hasn’t seen more commercial success than Kris, nor has he had more success in his genre. Danny hasn’t sold as many albums, singles, nor have his songs charted as high as Kris’ have. And before we go into the spiel about country fans not buying singles, tell that to Carrie Underwood, who’s success in that area probably has a lot to do with being on American Idol, and gaining fans who aren’t the usual country music fans.

    I’m just confused, what does hosting a red carpet have to do with level of success? The hosting gigs are PR opportunities, it’s a chance to get some exposure.

    Kellie P’s radio accomplishments lately aren’t anything to speak of

    I would say neither has Danny, but unlike Kellie, Danny didn’t have a song reach #14 on the country charts back in February of this year. Her next song peaked at #30, which is the worse that any of her songs have done. Considering that she just won a BMI award for co-writing a song that sold over a million copies (country fans do buy singles, especially singles from former idols), has been nominated for and won CMT awards, nominated for CMAs, and actually has an award for co-writing her first single, I’m not sure how she’s not doing as well as Danny. I won’t even mention how much she made for opening for Taylor Swift.

  112. It is fun for fans to predict their fave will be the breakout star; but really no one has any idea.

    Look at where some of the big sellers were the year after Idol, and where they are now- out of sight basically.

    Plus it is almost futile to compare sales back then to sales now. And Idol had more “pull” then- it was more popular, a younger audience bought more CDs compared to now.

    If you want to play the “biggest star” game; IMO no one will really know until 10 years out, especially for the “slower rise genres” like Country. IMO, the only undeniable stars are Kelly, Carrie and Daughtry.

  113. IMO, the only undeniable stars are Kelly, Carrie and Daughtry.

    Lol. My list is even smaller. The only one I really count as a “big star” outside Idol is Carrie, although I think quite a few have done very well over time and established themselves with a great to pretty good niche in the industry. Adam seems to be on his way, although I worry a little that the style of music he has may be less sustainable in the long-term. But he seems pretty savvy and there are good examples he can follow of artists who have evolved as tastes changed and they got older. But even with Adam, and definitely Danny and Kris, they are just starting out on what will hopefully be long careers. Time to figure out how it all turned out in about five years ;) Or six years for anyone from AI9 :lol:

  114. Danny hasn’t been as successful as Kris, but he was also not the winner. Kris got all the national promotion and other perks that go with being the winner; Danny got none of that at all. And I’m not even comparing Danny to Carrie. Carrie is a major star and also a crossover artist who sells on AC as well as country. Country fans do not buy as many singles but if the artist crosses over to AC or HAC that could change. But I think for a guy who got nearly no national promo outside of his Idol appearance on season 9, he is doing pretty darned well.

  115. One of the country bloggers posted this about a magazine cover of Carrie.

    nashvillegab: Carrie Underwood looking not quite Carrie on the cover of InStyle http://bit.ly/dawmYP

    It’s not an unattractive photo, but I can kinda see what she’s talking about. Carrie does look a little different to me also.

  116. (according to Nielsen SoundScan and Nielsen BDS as of April 17), we’ve figured out the true top 24 “Idols” of all time.

    You do realize this list is outdated right? There’s been some changes.

  117. It’s not an unattractive photo, but I can kinda see what she’s talking about. Carrie does look a little different to me also.

    Its kind of like they took years off her? Her face is fuller, nose bigger, looks more “all american teen”.

    What is it with country lately and pictures? At least they didn’t put a weird scarf on her like they did to Danny’s single cover :lol:

  118. The key to defining success is “staying power” – who will still be around 4-5 years from now. Elliot Yamin certainly had a strong debut, but his 2nd album had the opposite effect. And his tour was cancelled because of poor response.

    From Season 9, I do think it will be Crystal who will have that staying power. She’s unique enough to carve out her own niche.

    Whereas Lee is David Cook, Kris Allen and vice versa. They are all talented, etc. but they are basically competing with the same audience in a already saturated pop market.

    And Casey seems to be marketed more as guitarist than a vocalist. Not sure how they will work with radio airplay. I also don’t think it’s to his advantage that The Casey James Band will be competing with the very popular The Band Perry.

    That say, every season there is 1 Idol who is signed to a major label that gets dropped. I predict from Season 9, the first will either be Lee or Casey. However, Lee’s advantage is that 19 likes him.

  119. The only one I really count as a “big star” outside Idol is Carrie Kelly, although I think quite a few have done very well over time and established themselves with a great to pretty good niche in the industry.

    :)

  120. I totally agree with you Fullmoon about Kelly. She will always be number one.

  121. Danny hasn’t been as successful as Kris, but he was also not the winner.

    The season is over, who won is not important. Now they are on their own, and their music has to speak for itself. Promotion didn’t make over a million people buy LLWD, people actually have to like a song in order to spend money on it. Danny not winning had nothing to do with radio stations not playing his songs, Kellie and Bucky didn’t win, but stations still played their songs. Bucky was on a much smaller label than Danny, but that didn’t stop him from having three straight top ten country hits. I’m pretty sure give his label that Bucky’s promotion wasn’t more than Danny’s has been.

    Country fans do not buy as many singles but if the artist crosses over to AC or HAC that could change.

    Many of Carrie’s songs that haven’t crossed over sold well as singles. But, how do you explain Kellie selling over a million copies of “Best Days of Your Life”? Or, her first single , Red High Heels, selling over 500,000 copies? That song definitely didn’t find success anywhere else except on country. Most seem to believe that just like Carrie, those from idol will move more singles than the average country singer.

    BTW, getting played on AC is not going to result in someone selling a lot of singles.

  122. Whereas Lee is David Cook, Kris Allen and vice versa. They are all talented, etc. but they are basically competing with the same audience in a already saturated pop market.

    Just because people are in the huge pop/rock field, and just because they all play guitars doesn’t mean that they release the same type of music.

    This field is huge for a reason, this radio format has most of the top album and singles spots on billboard for a reason, this style of music is called pop (meaning popular) for a reason. This isn’t a niche genre, it is profitable, mainstream, commercial, and represents what people want to hear.

  123. So let’s take it away from Danny because he will never be successful to some, and that is okay.

    Maybe it is safer to say that we will never see a runnerup do as well as Clay and all others should be measured against him. In order to do that one would need to sell 5 million albums, host red carpet at the EMMY’s, guest star on several network show to some acclaim, get face time on every talk show even without product to hawk, network special, Broadway show, multiple mainstream magazine covers…yet some will say he was not successful because he did not have a radio hit.

    Success is measured in many different ways across the entertainment field and I will agree that we will have no idea about the S8 & S9 crop until 2015.

  124. Promotion didn’t make over a million people buy LLWD, people actually have to like a song in order to spend money on it.

    But Kris has the worst selling album of all the winners. Everyone before him did way better. Kris is not even the top seller for Season 8. He can’t rest on the laurels of one hit single, especially with the poor response to his 2nd single. We’ll see if he is still signed with a major label after his 2nd album. But at this point, the jury is out in as far as his long term success.

  125. especially with the poor response to his 2nd single.

    Kris’ second single charted higher than Danny’s second single, and it sold more copies. So, I guess that means that both of their singles flopped. Danny’s just flopped harder. After having two singles that people didn’t buy, and an album that fell out of the top 200 less than six months after it was released, I can’t help but wonder if Sony Nashville is having Danny release an album so soon because they want to get out of the contract that they have with him. It wouldn’t be the first time that they had someone release a holiday album, or rushed an album just to fulfill their obligation.

  126. I also don’t think it’s to his advantage that The Casey James Band will be competing with the very popular The Band Perry.

    Why is Casey going to be competing with The Band Perry? Just because he has “Band” in the name of his act? I don’t see that, at all.

    And TBP is new also. They are doing very well with their current single. They did moderately well with their first, and their album is doing quite nicely. That’s all good stuff, but they need to prove themselves for the long run like anyone else. And as a family act, lol, they need to keep the sibling rivalry in check among numerous other issues that could affect them over time.

  127. Just because people are in the huge pop/rock field, and just because they all play guitars doesn’t mean that they release the same type of music.

    I honestly don’t think most people who don’t follow AI religiously would be able to tell the difference between Lee Dewyze, Kris Allen, David Cook. All about the same age, height. All with somewhat low key personalities. All known to be singer song writers, with a MOR pop sound.

    Whereas Crystal Bowersox is different, so is Adam Lambert, and Carrie Underwood, Kelly Clarkson, Chris Daughtry, Fantasia.

  128. And this would have what to do with Danny? Considering that Kris is the worst, isn’t it kind of sad that Danny couldn’t do better? I’ve heard that he was the producers favorite, Simon’s favorite, got the second most applause on tour, but he can’t do better than the lowest selling idol of all time. The least he could do is sell more than a 1,000 copies of his album a week, which is the same number that Kris is pulling in.

    I wasn’t going to say anything else, but this begs for a response. Danny was the third place finisher. He got no promo. I think that should answer all your questions. Danny was not the producers’ favorite-Adam was.
    I hope Kris does as well with his second album as he does with his first. I wish all the idols well. They have all worked hard and are all deserving of success.

    I honestly don’t think most people who don’t follow AI religiously would be able to tell the difference between Lee Dewyze, Kris Allen, David Cook. All about the same age, height. All with somewhat low key personalities. All known to be singer song writers, with a MOR pop sound.

    But those similarities are just on the surface–sure they’re all WGWGs, but all are completely different from each other with differing musical styles. I would like to see a non-WGWG or WGirlWG win this year, however. As long as they’re not 15 years old, blech.

    Whereas Crystal Bowersox is different, so is Adam Lambert, and Carrie Underwood, Kelly Clarkson, Chris Daughtry, Fantasia.

    If you’re lumping DC/KA/LDW in a single category, I would put Daughtry in with them too. He was the prototype for the 3 WGWG winners.

  129. I honestly don’t think most people who don’t follow AI religiously would be able to tell the difference between Lee Dewyze, Kris Allen, David Cook.

    If they don’t follow idol how would they be aware of these three people? If they are aware of one of them, how would they know about the other two? If they like pop rock music, wouldn’t it be possible that they like to listen to a station that plays all three artists? And if they like one song, what’s stopping them from liking a song from the other two?

    Whereas Crystal Bowersox is different, so is Adam Lambert, and Carrie Underwood, Kelly Clarkson, Chris Daughtry, Fantasia.

    Different from who? And again, how would the none idol watching people know about these singers, and how would they know that they are different from each other or from Kris, Lee, and David? Considering that Daughtry is also a pop/rock artist, and happens to be a white guy who plays guitar, how is his music different form Lee, Kris and David’s?

    I think the basis of this argument is flawed. The none viewer isn’t going to buy Carrie’s music because she is from AI, and won’t care that she is different or the same as anyone else who came from AI. The person who doesn’t view AI, also has their own taste in music, and is very likely to have more than one cd from someone who sings country/pop, or someone who sings pop/rock. People actually buy music because they like it. It’s that way for those who watch and don’t watch AI.

  130. Kris’ second single charted higher than Danny’s second single, and it sold more copies. So, I guess that means that both of their singles flopped.

    That’s starting to sound like a tongue sticking out,since we have no idea how Kris’s album is selling nor if the single sold more that Danny’s second. How they would have measured up had they been released at the same time might be a better comparison if one needs to be made.

    All of this started because someone ventured to say that they thought a contestant would be more successful it’s way to early to say she is wrong.

  131. I wasn’t going to say anything else, but this begs for a response. Danny was the third place finisher. He got no promo.

    Danny received promo, it may not have been as much as his fans wanted, but he did get it. But, lack of promo has nothing to do with why stations didn’t play his songs more. I doubt Kellie or Bucky, especially Bucky, received more promo than Danny, but that didn’t stop them from getting top 15 and top 10 hits respectively with their first singles.

  132. And this would have what to do with Danny? Considering that Kris is the worst, isn’t it kind of sad that Danny couldn’t do better? I’ve heard that he was the producers favorite, Simon’s favorite, got the second most applause on tour, but he can’t do better than the lowest selling idol of all time. The least he could do is sell more than a 1,000 copies of his album a week, which is the same number that Kris is pulling in.

    Danny really didn’t get any national/television promotion before his album dropped outside of AI. Danny was on track to sell 45,000-50,000 before he even appeared on AI. Who knows how much he would have sold if he had gotten some television appearances the week his album dropped. Like say the amount that Allison got the week her album dropped. I personally believe that Danny could/would have sold more if he had gotten like an appearance on Ellen or GMA or Today or some of the appearances that the other idols got.

    And I don’t think that anyone really knows what Kris is selling since Brian hasn’t posted numbers for him, I believe like in months.

  133. Lee’s also in a genre that can move a lot more units than country, except for the occasional breakout country or crossover album. So in the long run, even if his sales this week aren’t as high as Danny reached last spring, Lee could well surpass Danny if things fall his way on radio or with other factors in his favor.

    Lee should outsell Danny — not because of genre but because he won Idol. He has a lot of fans. The only reason that I think Lee will struggle with sales is because his promotion is so weak — he releasing his album with limited radio support and clear gaps in product availability.

    Note: Since 2007 in the US, new releases of country albums have outsold rock albums. Rock is still the #1 album genre but because of catalog sales and greatest hits albums. But Country sales are now dropping faster than the rest of the music business because even Country buyers are learning about digital sharing :)

    Success is measured in many different ways across the entertainment field and I will agree that we will have no idea about the S8 & S9 crop until 2015.

    ITA! And success is certainly more than recorded music sales units — at the least it should be revenue not units — but artistic achievement, longevity and cultural impact all matter.

    One can argue that only 3 Idols can be called truly successful — Carrie, Kelly, and Jennifer Hudson (who just happened to be on Idol and then be successful later). Clay and Daughtry had huge fanbases and debut albums but did not seem to be able to build on their success either commercially or artistically JMHO YMMV. Cook and Adam need to prove they can sustain long-term success.

    But my list of successful Idols would include many more. Taylor, Kellie Pickler, Elliot and all the others who have been able to earn a lot of money doing what they love. Even Katharine McPhee. If you made $500,000 last year in this very hard business, how can that not be considered successful. There must be 40 or 50 of the Idol alums making a nice living in the entertainment business. And that sure beats selling paint (R) Lee DeWyze.

  134. Danny’s done nicely enough on radio for a country newcomer, especially considering his non-traditional country sound. Although his first two singles didn’t break the top 20 (one just outside), they did reasonably well and far better than a rather long list of aspiring country newcomers this year. Some of whom didn’t make top 50 with their first single, or did moderately well with their first but went nowhere with their second.

    Even with IWNSG which peaked at #32, Danny’s results on radio compared favorably against two of his more established & more traditionally country labelmates with their latest singles. Chuck Wicks barely if at all broke into the top 40 despite a slinky video running all the time on GAC/CMT, lol. And Jake Owen’s last topped out roughly around the same level as IWNSG.

    There were a few newbie artists on the charts in a little group that included IWNSG back in August/September. Of those who are still on the charts, for the most part they have not moved up dramatically higher. Most are still outside the top 25, and either are stuck there or falling off as with Steel Magnolia at the moment.

    It’s not particularly easy to just take songs into the country top 20 these days because you want to. Radio was expected to be more challenging for Danny than some other areas like touring or album sales. He’s working hard at it, and from anything I’ve heard RCA is quite happy with his first two songs charting up into the top 40.

    On the country chart at the moment in the top 20, with Lady A sitting at #21, lol — ZBB with Alan Jackson, Brad Paisley, TBP, Sugarland, Rodney Atkins (hate his song, eeps), Rascal Flatts, Reba, Jason Aldean, George Strait, Carrie Underwood, Tim McGraw, Taylor Swift, Keith Urban, Miranda Lambert, Chris Young, Trace Adkins, Justin Moore, Kenny Chesney, Luke Bryan, Toby Keith.

    Almost no room in the top 20 for fresh acts to break in. It does happen sometimes, but it takes some luck and a lot of other factors to get there these days.

  135. All of this started because someone ventured to say that they thought a contestant would be more successful

    This actually started with someone saying that Danny was more commercial, and I’m simply saying that he has not shown that in the past six or seven months. Being commercial means that his songs would be getting a lot of airplay, selling well, and moving his album. None of that has happened for Danny. He’s doing okay, but he has yet to really establish himself as a commercial success.

    That’s starting to sound like a tongue sticking out,since we have no idea how Kris’s album is selling nor if the single sold more that Danny’s second.

    Actually we do know, since Brian Mansfield has periodically updated these numbers in idol chatter. Plus, it’s a good guess, since Danny’s second single was pretty much absent from the itunes top 1000 downloads during its entire run.

    How they would have measured up had they been released at the same time might be a better comparison if one needs to be made.

    What does one of the songs selling approximately 2K to 3K a week during its run, while the other couldn’t muster that sad figure have to do with when they were released?

  136. certain1:

    11/16/2010 at 10:03 pm

    So let’s take it away from Danny because he will never be successful to some, and that is okay.

    Maybe it is safer to say that we will never see a runnerup do as well as Clay and all others should be measured against him. In order to do that one would need to sell 5 million albums, host red carpet at the EMMY’s, guest star on several network show to some acclaim, get face time on every talk show even without product to hawk, network special, Broadway show, multiple mainstream magazine covers…yet some will say he was not successful because he did not have a radio hit.

    Success is measured in many different ways across the entertainment field and I will agree that we will have no idea about the S8 & S9 crop until 2015.

    Clay has 15 top 40 hits and 2 of them were top 10, one of them debuted on the Hot 100 at #1 and stayed there for 2 weeks. Bridge Over Troubled Water still holds the record for highest debut single on the Hot 100.

  137. And I don’t think that anyone really knows what Kris is selling since Brian has posted numbers for him, I believe in months.

    According to Idol Chatter on 9/22/10 — KATA was at 318,000.

    6 months earlier on 3/24/10 Brian reported — Kris Allen, Kris Allen (3,000, -18 percent, 286,000/56,000 digital total)

    By April, KATA was off of the Soundscan Top 200 and Brian no longer had the numbers.

    But since it sold 30,000 in the six months from March to Sept. Good bet that is sold less than 1,000 a week since 9/22/10 — total must be < 325K.

  138. Radio was expected to be more challenging for Danny than some other areas like touring or album sales. He’s working hard at it, and from anything I’ve heard RCA is quite happy with his first two songs charting up into the top 40.

    While I think they would have liked to see Danny do better on radio, I think that RCA is okay with how his two singles did. I actually think it’s a good idea for them to get an album out next year.

    Originally I though that maybe they should wait like 2 years like some of the other idols have done. But I seeing how some of the idols have fared who have released albums after their first album, I think it might be better if Danny’s 2nd album comes out next year.

    Because he still might be fresh enough in some people’s minds, to get some decent album sales. Plus maybe he can come off of some momentum. Like if he wins the ACA award, and maybe if one of his songs from the second album, does better on radio.

  139. Elliegrll: I was making the point that just because Kris had a big hit with LLWD; the jury is out on how he will do on a long term basis, especially considering his inconsistencies with his album sales and second single. And part of that initial success had to do with the fact that he won American Idol. He wouldn’t have gotten some of the promotion that help the song get airplay. And most people who bought the single obviously were not interested in buying his CD – since there is a big gap between the two in regards to sales. And he came no where close to the success of LLWD with The Truth. And whether he likes it or not, Kris will always be compared with other AI winners. Comes with the territory.

  140. There were a few newbie artists on the charts in a little group that included IWNSG back in August/September. Of those who are still on the charts, for the most part they have not moved up dramatically higher. Most are still outside the top 25, and either are stuck there or falling off as with Steel Magnolia at the moment.

    So, you are saying that during a competitive time on the chart, these other songs had legs, while Danny’s didn’t. Danny’s song remained on the charts for eleven weeks, and these other songs have been there for over three months. I don’t think that says anything good about Danny’s song, how commercial it was, or how it was accepted by those in radio or their listeners.

    It reminds me of LLWD’s run, when songs from established artists kept passing it, and the song seemed to be stuck in the top 30 forever, but it held on for six months, because people liked it.

  141. Elliegrll: I was making the point that just because Kris had a big hit with LLWD; the jury is out on how he will do on a long term basis, especially considering his inconsistencies with his album sales and second single.

    The jury is out on everyone, including Danny, which is why I showed that his numbers are no better than Kris’. In fact, they are worse.

    Nobody’s career is going to be decided on the basis of one good single or one bad single.

    And most people who bought the single obviously were not interested in buying his CD

    We don’t know if they were interested or not, or whether or not they even sampled the other songs on the cd. Look at Lady Gaga’s numbers, her album really didn’t start selling until she released her third single. That is not unusual for new artists.

    As far as Kris sales being tied to being the AI winner, the facts don’t back that up. LLWD did not have the big debut numbers that idol singles usually have, in three days it only sold 15,000 copies, soon after it stabilized at 10,000 for a few weeks. Sales did not start to take off until the song started to get more airplay, and once that happened they stabilized at 50,000 to 60,000 a week for more than a month. The song didn’t see a noticeable bump when AI started in January, and after the new year, the song did not receive any national promotion, aside from an increase in airplay, but that’s when it hit its sales peak, and started selling 50 to 60,000 copies a week. The second single didn’t have half of the airplay of the first, so it didn’t come close to its audience impressions, so it wouldn’t have sold anywhere near what LLWD did.

  142. I can’t help but wonder if Sony Nashville is having Danny release an album so soon because they want to get out of the contract that they have with him. It wouldn’t be the first time that they had someone release a holiday album, or rushed an album just to fulfill their obligation.

    Well, that is a very interesting statement! Is the same reasoning hold for Adam ;) He is writing now, but there has been no statement that there is no further single from MBD, or when a new album will come out. It’s all fan speculation, which we are prone to do.

    I’m pretty sure RCA is happy with Danny- the CMA just had him pitch the new face of country music to some corp. execs- getting Danny another product endorsement (Pillsbury). He is up for the running (see earlier headlines today) for a big show “The new face of Country music”.

    I would be willing to bet they will make money off Danny when all is said and done this year.

    All of this started because someone ventured to say that they thought a contestant would be more successful

    True. Fans like to pump up their fave; but in all fairness they said and meant eventually. I would not count anyone out in Country just because they’ve only had two top 40 hits. See Chris Young, for example. See Blake Shelton. Blake took years to get where he is at.

    Danny’s fans consider it a big accomplishment for him to have reached top 40. Radio is a hurdle for him; it is an elite club and none of us really expected him to waltz in with a hit right away. Besides being a newbie, he has no twang and a gospel (not country) background, so I’m pretty happy they seem to like him and are letting him get one foot in the door.

  143. Maybe Danny’s sales figures haven’t been that impressive, but he did have a record breaking first week sales for a new country artist. He has sold close to 200,000 CDs, he might have surpassed that now. But in country, it’s not unusual to get off to a sluggish start. I think the fact that Danny’s getting a Christmas single released to radio (and possibly another single after that), that he’s been nominated for an ACA for Best New/Breakthrough Artist, that he got overwhelmingly positive reviews (including the hard to please New York Times) for his album, and that RCA has apparently given him the green light to start recording a second album and letting him write for it too, indicates that the country music world and RCA have been quite pleased with Danny and have faith in him.

    I think Kris and Adam have done very well too, and all three of them should get second albums. They’re all proving to be successful IMO. My point is that Danny has accomplished what he has without the advantages (promo coming off of Idol) the other two had. But as the 3rd place guy, that’s not unusual or unexpected.

  144. the CMA just had him pitch the new face of country music to some corp. execs- getting Danny another product endorsement (Pillsbury).

    Wait….really? HAHAHAHA

    Okay I’m sorry, I just hadn’t heard this news, and it is just amusing to me because for some reason I am now imaging Danny dressed as the Pillsbury Dough Boy.

  145. Season 8 was my favourite season of idol..I honestly feel that Idol 8 had the most talented top 10 overall. I have my favourite but wish them all success!!!

  146. and from anything I’ve heard RCA is quite happy with his first two songs charting up into the top 40.

    Well, they must be if they green light a 2nd album. And they would only do that if Danny had made them money. And they obviously have the confidence in him to collaborate with some of the biggest song writers in Country music. It’s interesting to note that Danny was signed to Sony Nashville by Joe Galante who has since retired. Gary Overton the new CEO must be happy with him since he’s gotten some pretty big opportunities in the last few mos. ITA, Danny will always have those who will never happy with what he does. But he usually gets pretty good critical reviews. And he’s been very popular headlining his own live shows. And he is an ACA nominated artist. A lot of Idols who are signed don’t even make it past their debut album. So IMO at this point Danny has the best validation of how he’s doing; his record label is investing in him for more music.

  147. True. Fans like to pump up their fave; but in all fairness they said and meant eventually. I would not count anyone out in Country just because they’ve only had two top 40 hits. See Chris Young, for example. See Blake Shelton. Blake took years to get where he is at.

    I would never count any artist out after just two singles, since it doesn’t make any sense. Danny hasn’t been a commercial success yet, but there isn’t anything that says that he won’t be. He, just like Kris and everyone else, is working to achieve his dream.

  148. Wait, Kris, David and Lee are all the same height and have the same personality? OMG seriously? On what planet?

  149. Okay I’m sorry, I just hadn’t heard this news, and it is just amusing to me because for some reason I am now imaging Danny dressed as the Pillsbury Dough Boy.

    Or better yet they could be sponsoring a future tour of his. Corporate sponsorships are very popular.

  150. I can’t help but wonder if Sony Nashville is having Danny release an album so soon because they want to get out of the contract that they have with him. It wouldn’t be the first time that they had someone release a holiday album, or rushed an album just to fulfill their obligation.

    I don’t see any evidence to support the theory that this would be the case with Danny. To me, the opposite appears to be true. Danny has talked about being paired up with songwriters that he is excited to be working with, and he spent time this week at a writing workshop. He has been and continues to be given opportunities that would be a plum for any newcomer. Sony is like any business, they don’t waste their resources when they don’t expect a return on the investment. If they wanted to give Danny the bum rush there would be a different set of current circumstances. I don’t believe the theory that Sony has buyer’s regret with Danny has a reasonable foundation in fact. Considering how he has done relative to other newcomers I think it is a more reasonable case that they feel they made a good bet and are willing to keep playing.

  151. I am now imaging Danny dressed as the Pillsbury Dough Boy.

    LOL, I gotta admit that even though I am a Danny fantard and think he is quite fit and attractive- I thought the exact same thing! Or someone pushing their finger in his belly and having him giggle :lol:

  152. I don’t see any evidence to support the theory that this would be the case with Danny. To me, the opposite appears to be true. Danny has talked about being paired up with songwriters that he is excited to be working with, and he spent time this week at a writing workshop. He has been and continues to be given opportunities that would be a plum for any newcomer. Sony is like any business, they don’t waste their resources when they don’t expect a return on the investment.

    My tongue was planted in my cheek with some of the things that I wrote. I was mainly trying to get those who are predicting that Kris will be dropped to see that Danny’s numbers are a lot worse.

    I don’t know if a lot of Clay’s fans would agree with your last statement, because many feel that Clay’s last album was made so that the label would fulfill their obligation to him. It was a very short time period between the release of Clay’s last album with RCA and the label dropping him.

  153. Aww…The Philippines is going absolutely insane over Archie right now. It sounds like this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLbWIs0u7XQ
    http://www.razor.tv/site/servlet/segment/main/entertainment/56710.html (actually, that’s Singapore)

    And looks like this:

    mhel4dja Yeahhh! Me too! Lol RT @alyssaajaye: I WILL NEVER AGAIN UNDERESTIMATE @DAVIDARCHIE FANS. Its only 9:30AM and there are already 350+ people

    ArchuletaCrazy I’M SO FREAKING EXCITED!!!!!JFNSKVNJCSKJCVNSJ!!!! IM GONNA SEE DAVID ARCHULETA!!!!!! ACTUALLY SEE HIM!!!!! <333333333

    PritiEKothari @JiveMusic There are 800 people IN LINE at the venue @DavidArchie is performing in 7 HRS in the Philippines. Pls learn from @sonymusicphil!

    MrEricMendez Eric D. Mendez
    @DavidArchie seriously chose the wrong place to perform lol. He needs a bigger venue! He doesn’t realize the # of fans there!

    That's all.

  154. I can’t help but wonder if Sony Nashville is having Danny release an album so soon because they want to get out of the contract that they have with him. It wouldn’t be the first time that they had someone release a holiday album, or rushed an album just to fulfill their obligation.

    They are just in the early writing stages. And this process can take quite a while. And I would think Sony Nashville would have the total discretion with Danny’s contract, considering that he is a new artist. He didn’t win American Idol so he was not obligated to be signed. Also, if you look at the Idols who were dropped from their contacts, most did not go beyond their debut album.

  155. My tongue was planted in my cheek with some of the things that I wrote. I was mainly trying to get those who are predicting that Kris will be dropped to see that Danny’s numbers are a lot worse.

    I haven’t heard predictions of Kris getting dropped and wouldn’t imagine he would be.

    I don’t know if a lot of Clay’s fans would agree with your last statement, because many feel that Clay’s last album was made so that the label would fulfill their obligation to him. It was a very short time period between the release of Clay’s last album with RCA and the label dropping him.

    I don’t know Clay’s situation; I didn’t follow that season.
    But Pairing Danny up with Nashville song writers to let him write doesn’t sound like they are just trying to get an album out of him.
    As well as having him record a Christmas song- I don’t think they visualize that as a big huge hit/money making venture. I think it is more an investment on keeping his voice out there while he is working on other things and backing off on touring because of the AMAs and ACAs (and I would like to think because of the sudden windfall for SHF, but I can’t imagine they are that charitable).

  156. I don’t know Clay’s situation; I didn’t follow that season.
    But Pairing Danny up with Nashville song writers to let him write doesn’t sound like they are just trying to get an album out of him.
    As well as having him record a Christmas song- I don’t think they visualize that as a big huge hit/money making venture. I think it is more an investment on keeping his voice out there while he is working on other things and backing off on touring because of the AMAs and ACAs (and I would like to think because of the sudden windfall for SHF, but I can’t imagine they are that charitable).

    Clay had some big name producers on his album too, including David Foster. I think this is a case where the person who gave the go ahead for the album not being the same person within Sony who made the decision to drop Clay.

    They are just in the early writing stages. And this process can take quite a while. And I would think Sony Nashville would have the total discretion with Danny’s contract, considering that he is a new artist. He didn’t win American Idol so he was not obligated to be signed. Also, if you look at the Idols who were dropped from their contacts, most did not go beyond their debut album.

    It’s at the labels discretion to drop anybody. Both Clay and Ruben released multiple albums, and both were dropped soon after releasing albums.

  157. I don’t know if a lot of Clay’s fans would agree with your last statement, because many feel that Clay’s last album was made so that the label would fulfill their obligation to him. It was a very short time period between the release of Clay’s last album with RCA and the label dropping him.

    Clay Aiken was also with RCA for 5 yrs and made a lot of money in that time. And I suspect his contract was likely renewed during that time for album commitments. If we’re saying Danny, as a brand new artist, somehow managed to negotiate with Sony Nashville a multiple album commitment at the time of his signing, that’s saying he had wielded a lot of power.

    And I don’t see what may or may not have happened to Clay Aiken has anything to do with Danny. Danny’s critics have always held it against him that he did not do any writing for his debut album. Now that he is the spin is that somehow Sony Nashville is rushing an album so they can drop him.

    I defer back to all the so-called experts who insisted Danny would not last 6 mos in Country music and that he would most certainly be the first to be dropped from Season 8.

    We all know that turned out to be complete fiction.

  158. I was mainly trying to get those who are predicting that Kris will be dropped to see that Danny’s numbers are a lot worse.

    I don’t know who that is who is predicting that Kris will be dropped. The only things I remember saying about Kris pretty much ever is that he is cute and I wish him well. Oh, and that he looked skinnier in his video for his second single. And I liked the first single better than the second one. I think that’s about it. I don’t have any opinion on Kris getting dropped or not dropped, I hope he doesn’t get dropped.

    As to Danny’s numbers being “a lot worse”, my opinion on that is that it’s all relative. Danny’s numbers in comparison to other country newcomers are quite good. I don’t think it matters outside of the idol bubble how his numbers look in comparison to Kris etc. and so is not of much interest, in my opinion.

  159. It’s at the labels discretion to drop anybody.

    That’s what I said. I was addressing the claim that Sony Nashville is trying to rush an album so they can get out of their contract with Danny. Why would they even bother with a 2nd album if that indeed was the case? It’s at the labels discretion to keep or drop an artist, especially a new artist. And if Danny was able to pull off a multiple album commitment with Sony Nashville at the time of his signing, more power to him.

  160. I don’t know who that is who is predicting that Kris will be dropped.

    I also don’t recall that. People were just saying that time will tell what kind of long term success Kris will have. But that also applies to everyone from Season 8 & 9.

  161. Clay and Daughtry had huge fanbases and debut albums but did not seem to be able to build on their success either commercially or artistically JMHO YMMV.

    Don’t know about Clay because I didn’t follow his season or listen to his type of music, but I think this assessment is unfair to Daughtry. His second album was released in July 2009 and was certified platinum by February 2010. I don’t know how many albums made platinum in the 2009-2010 time frame, but (being a Cook fan) I know that in Cook’s Billboard chart year (2008-2009), only 19 albums throughout the industry sold platinum. And I recall reading something to the effect that the number of platinum albums sold per year was going down fast. So Daughtry’s achieving 1x plat in 2009-2010 is a huge achievement reserved only for a select few in the industry.

    And if you’re argument is that he didn’t build on his commercial success (5x plat on debut and 1x plat on sophomore album so far), well then you could say that neither did Carrie because her albums went from 7x plat (debut), to 5x plat (sophomore) to currently 1x plat (3rd album). The point is that when an artist finishes a year being the #1 selling artist for the year on the BB200, it would be unfair to say that they have not built on their commercial success because they didn’t quite repeat the same feat on their sophomore album. But what we do know is that Daughtry’s sophomore album sold well and his songs continue to get played on the radio A LOT.

    Not even a particular fan of his music, but the dude deserves his props.

    ETA: Carrie’s sophomore album actually sold 3x plat, not 5x.

  162. I was mainly trying to get those who’re predicting that Kris will be dropped to see that Danny’s numbers are a lot worse

    if you’re comparing the absolute numbers of how many albums and singles sold, yes Kris sold more than Danny, so far. However they’re in different genres, and one was the AI winner the other came in 3rd.

    I think it’s reasonable to point out all AI winners have a relatively high profile promotional package, so it’s fair to say the winner has a far bigger promotional budget hence visibility than other contestants. So I am not surprised Kris sold more. In fact whether Kris will get his second album with Jive has nothing to do with his sales number compared to Danny’s, but whether his debut album has made a profit for Jive, and whether Jive thinks Kris will likely be able to make money for the record label.

    A lot of posters here are not following Danny, so it’s worth repeating that even though Danny sold “only” close to 200K albums so far, the number actually makes Danny the second highest debut country artist in 2010 (behind Easton Corbin), his album also debuted #4 in BB200. I believe Danny’s debut album has sold more than his label mates Chris Young’s and Chuck Wicks’ debut albums, both Chris and Chuck managed to release their second album with RCA/Nashville, with Chris having more success having two #1 singles so far.

    Remember Danny also got nominated as New Artist of the Year for American Country Awards (ACA) a new award show to be aired on Fox, even though some consider this show redundant, but it’s a country music award show aired on national TV, it’s good publicity and I have no doubt RCA Nashville is pretty happy that Danny got nominated.

    I’d say Danny is doing pretty well in his genre so far and from what I gathered the record label seems to be very supportive to Danny’s career, most importantly Danny is working on his second album, he tweeted having writing sessions with other established song writers last couple of days. Yes Danny still has no Top10 hit yet, but with a second album he has the chance of getting one – or may be more.

  163. why was Danny’s concert at Green Bay on thursday cancelled? Poor ticket sales I guess.

    You know the verdict for the season 8 finalists are still out in the open. They’re album and singles sales are as it is. Why would it matter that Danny did not have national promotion that’s why he only sold less than 200k albums. Do you honestly think that if he appeared to all those talk shows his sales will double?
    Danny is doing just fine but to exagerate it by claiming he is the most successful 3rd place finisher and is more successful than Kris and Adam and is more relevant now than Cook are too much.

  164. Relfanna – Danny injured his ankle during basketball play a few days ago, he could barely walk after his concert in Jacksonville FL. There is yet an official explanation as to why his concert at Green Bay got canceled but it may not be poor ticket sales as you guessed.

  165. I can’t help but wonder if Sony Nashville is having Danny release an album so soon because they want to get out of the contract that they have with him. It wouldn’t be the first time that they had someone release a holiday album, or rushed an album just to fulfill their obligation.

    That isn’t how recording contracts work. The label has an option for additional albums that they can unilaterally choose to exercise. Danny did not get a guarantee that he would get two albums — absolutely no chance of this happening.

    I do not follow Danny closely, but a couple of questions:

    1. Had anyone from RCA Nashville said Danny’s second album is approved? All I can find is comments from Danny that he is working on songs for his second album and planning is underway. But that is not the same as have the project approved.

    I would not be surprised if Danny gets album #2 soon, but can’t find anyone — even Danny saying production is green lighted.

    2. There are comments that RCA Nashville is happy with Danny’s progress on the radio but I would be totally surprised if they would actually make a comment like this. Just not the kind of thing a label rep would say for songs that did not hit the Top 10. Is this just an assumption by fans? Or is it based on something?

    Clay and Daughtry had huge fanbases and debut albums but did not seem to be able to build on their success either commercially or artistically JMHO YMMV.

    Don’t know about Clay because I didn’t follow his season or listen to his type of music, but I think this assessment is unfair to Daughtry.

    They both have significant drops — much more than the market shift since their debuts……US sales debut and most recent album:

    Clay debut album 2003 — 2,784,000 sold Tried and True 2010 53,000 sold

    Daughtry debut album 11/2006 4,730,000 sold album #2 7/2009 1,179,000 sold

    In the 2-1/2 years between Daughtry albums the album units sold in the US dropped 29%, Daughtry’s sales dropped 75% and international sales dropped even more. Also his first album produced two Platinum and 1 Gold single. Even with a ton of radio support for No Surprise, Life After You, and September — single sales are not great. September has only sold 300,000 units — that is less than the Adam “flop” that got almost no airplay — FYE. And September is have been on the POP, HAC and AC airplay charts for weeks.

    Daughtry’s numbers say to me that he is selling a lot, just not adding fans. If he was adding fans, his sales would be going up, not down dramatically.

    There are other indications that Daughtry peaked on his first album. This is not unusual — look at Train, they had a big hit in 2001 then sold to their core fans for several years and were very successful — then had another huge song in 2009 with Hey Soul Sister.

  166. Danny is doing just fine but to exagerate it by claiming he is the most successful 3rd place finisher and is more successful than Kris and Adam and is more relevant now than Cook are too much.

    I don’t like it when people compare Danny to other idols both because I think it is irrelevant and because I think it pokes a stick in the hornet’s nest to no useful purpose, but that’s not what I recall about what was actually said, as to the “most successful” and “more successful than Kris and Adam” aspects of it. I don’t know about the Cook thing, didn’t really pay attention to that aspect of it. I believe the point was more about a particular person’s opinion about Danny’s potential, and I think there is consensus from everyone including that poster that time will tell.

  167. I was mainly trying to get those who’re predicting that Kris will be dropped to see that Danny’s numbers are a lot worse

    The labels make there judgments on the expectations of future profitability. It is very unlikely that either Danny’s or Kris’ debut albums were profitable. BUT since Danny’s was a much lower cost project, the breakeven requires lower sales.

    Pretty safe bet that Jive lost more money on Kris than RCA lost on Danny, because Jive probably spent twice as much.

    Unfortunately for Kris, the best way to forecast Idol winners’ future sales is to look at history and divide by 2. We won’t know Kris’ fate until January — but if he gets dropped by Jive, he might/should get signed by someone else. And I think there is a real chance he could be dropped because RCA/Jive has little reason to believe he could sell more on his next album — concert attendance is low, LLWD was a hit but that is it. If I was running the label, I would have someone analyze if it was the song or the artist that was the hit. And the songwriters/band in LLWD are already RCA artists.

    Also, going against Kris is that RCA/Jive has Cook and Daughtry under contract. Plus Lee. If you have Cook and Daughtry, do you really need Kris and Lee, too? How many light rock-pop Idol alums can one label really support? And how many will the market support? 4 seems like way too many to me. Plus there are 20+ similar artists out there. Including The Script.

  168. I don’t like it when people compare Danny to other idols both because I think it is irrelevant and because I think it pokes a stick in the hornet’s nest to no useful purpose,

    ITA — it is an apt description.

    As is often the case in these discussions — someone wrote a comment that get twisted and turned as the thread evolved. And the restatements have little to do with the original comment.

  169. Danny is doing just fine but to exagerate it by claiming he is the most successful 3rd place finisher and is more successful than Kris and Adam and is more relevant now than Cook are too much.

    I don’t believe anyone said he’s more successful than Kris and Adam, and I certainly don’t recall anyone saying he’s more relevant than David Cook.

  170. Wait….really? HAHAHAHA
    Okay I’m sorry, I just hadn’t heard this news, and it is just amusing to me because for some reason I am now imaging Danny dressed as the Pillsbury Dough Boy.

    Lol. Actually some Danny fans including me had the same reaction initially, aww. I’m not sure the scope of the Pillsbury relationship. Danny did a concert for Pillsbury at a corporate event, and was involved in a promotion earlier this fall that Pillsbury was doing to the restaurant industry audience and tied to CMA Week. Beyond that, what it entails if it is still ongoing, I’m not sure.

    The labels make there judgments on the expectations of future profitability. It is very unlikely that either Danny’s or Kris’ debut albums were profitable. BUT since Danny’s was a much lower cost project, the breakeven requires lower sales.

    It’s interesting to guess. If Danny’s album selling around ~190k copies so far is unprofitable, it seems to me some 80-90% of country albums must be unprofitable as there aren’t actually that many country artists at all who sell more than Danny has done so far–even with a lot more time than the ~9 months MBD has been out.
    Yet they keep recording and stay in the business, so I think there must be more financial factors than are obvious. Or Nashville has a good sense of how to manage costs to promote profitability.

    I do not follow Danny closely, but a couple of questions:
    1. Had anyone from RCA Nashville said Danny’s second album is approved? All I can find is comments from Danny that he is working on songs for his second album and planning is underway. But that is not the same as have the project approved.
    I would not be surprised if Danny gets album #2 soon, but can’t find anyone — even Danny saying production is green lighted.
    2. There are comments that RCA Nashville is happy with Danny’s progress on the radio but I would be totally surprised if they would actually make a comment like this. Just not the kind of thing a label rep would say for songs that did not hit the Top 10. Is this just an assumption by fans? Or is it based on something?

    #1, based on Danny’s comments. Would a record label ordinarily put out a press release for an album that’s not ready? Also all the observables are in synch. He’s writing, they seem to have cleared his schedule for writing and studio time in Nashville, they went with the holiday single vs. other possible options.
    2. Yes, it’s based on something :) I suppose happiness is relative. It’s not an easy thing for any new artist, and some not-new artists, to get a song in the country top 40 these days, much less top 30 or 20. So the fact that Danny has charted both of his songs is a good thing, especially for someone who does not at all have a traditional country sound, is coming from the city of Milwaukee, etc.

    When he was first signed, probably the biggest wild card was whether radio would play his songs–hence the long radio tour, etc. Although he hasn’t had a breakout hit, which I’m sure they would love to get in 2011, he’s done pretty well on radio compared to all but a few other newbies. And done better in some other departments, like touring and album sales. He’s done light years better than Chris Janson, for example, signed to one of the other Sony labels this year, and probably better than any new artist on Sony Nashville’s overall roster this year (and some of their established artists).

  171. why was Danny’s concert at Green Bay on thursday cancelled? Poor ticket sales I guess.

    Lol, that is not the only reason concerts get canceled, and he has had concerts in obscure areas (Amish country anyone, lol?!) that have had low attendance that never were canceled. The GB Meet & greet passes were sold out in 24 hours so I guess someone bought tickets ;) He sprained his ankle playing basketball pretty badly, so that is a possibility; coupled with the fact that he has a WI Vision promotional appearance Wed. Concerts Thurs, Fri, Sat then AMA hosting starting at 2pm PST Sunday! Crazy schedule and I’m surprised they didn’t cancel one of the concerts earlier when he landed the AMA gig.
    But I know Danny does not disappoint, so he probably forged ahead until he sprained his ankle.
    All speculation of course.

    There are comments that RCA Nashville is happy with Danny’s progress on the radio but I would be totally surprised if they would actually make a comment like this.

    Yeah, of course the label wouldn’t make that comment, and obviously they want a big hit.
    But band members are long time Nashville musicians and they know how Nashville works ;)

    It’s interesting to guess. If Danny’s album selling around ~190k copies so far is unprofitable, it seems to me some 80-90% of country albums must be unprofitable as there aren’t actually that many country artists at all who sell more than Danny has done so far–even with a lot more time than the ~9 months MBD has been out.

    They say the average album needs to sell 200k (some say 300k) to break even.
    I saw Danny’s album on sale at iTunes briefly when all the Idols were on sale. Otherwise, I have never seen it on sale at Target, Walmart or Best But- until just now; for $9.99. And he sells it for $20 at concerts.
    I wonder if RCA gets any of that CMA brokered deal with Pillsbury?
    No one knows the numbers but yeah, he certainly has been a lower budget item for them ; no itunes banners and I don’t even see the ads for him at radio websites/blogs like I do for other artists (even new ones). I think they have capitalized on his AI status/fan base, Danny himself to provide some of his PR.

  172. Also, going against Kris is that RCA/Jive has Cook and Daughtry under contract. Plus Lee. If you have Cook and Daughtry, do you really need Kris and Lee, too? How many light rock-pop Idol alums can one label really support?

    A) Jive and RCA are separate labels.
    B) Most major labels have a TON of pop-rock acts on thru roster. It’s a VERY large market, if you insist on lumping Kris with Daughtry, you’re essentially saying acts as divergent as Matt Nathanson or The Script share a market with Nickelback. (In my experience, not really the case)

    And how many will the market support? 4 seems like way too many to me. Plus there are 20+ similar artists out there. Including The Script.

    As I said, based on your definition of the market, a lot more than 4 or 20.

    ETA: I have no insight on whether Kris will get dropped by Jive. I just feel it has little to do with RCA’s roster or Daughtry, Cook and Lee. Has he said anything about a second album? Actually, has Jordin? Am I wrong in my facts to say that Kris’ first album fared just somewhat better than Jordin’s second- and incidentally much better than labelmate Archie’s second/third if you count Christmas music)?

    ETAA: I agree with Joyed, September is the third single…how it’s doing is actually pretty typical for a non-pop album. I’m sure the first two sold more than 300k.

  173. They both have significant drops — much more than the market shift since their debuts……US sales debut and most recent album:

    Clay debut album 2003 — 2,784,000 sold Tried and True 2010 53,000 sold

    Daughtry debut album 11/2006 4,730,000 sold album #2 7/2009 1,179,000 sold

    You have to look at their numbers relative to others in the market – while Daughtry did not duplicate his first “smash hit” success, he is still highly successful when considering the context of the current market, as Keel pointed out.

    September has only sold 300,000 units — that is less than the Adam “flop” that got almost no airplay — FYE.

    September is his third single, not the lead off single for a highly anticipated album. Also, the song was targeted to smaller radio formats first (HAC) before going to Pop so despite how long it has been on the radio, it wasn’t getting heard by as many ears as popular selling pop songs.

    There are other indications that Daughtry peaked on his first album.

    This is a different point than whether he is successful. Not being able to top being the number one album with your debut album is not the same as no longer being a major success. I mean, at a time when few rock acts are being played on pop he racked up one top 10 and two top 20 hits this era.

  174. Daughtry’s tour actually grew last year four years removed from his stint on Idol so that would suggest a fanbase that has grown. Even if it hadn’t, an act that can still sale platinum and tour an average of 5000 per venue four years removed from the show seems to me to be doing just fine at handling the transition from reality fame to music driven success. However if this doesn’t qualify as success, only Carrie is successful in music currently.

  175. So, when I said WGWG fans, I meant those who might lean towards purchasing that type of music, as opposed to those who dislike it, or are so into a different genre that they don’t want soft rock at all.

    But that’s kind of the point: I like Cook; I think Kris has talent, but his music isn’t my thing; I don’t like Lee; I find Daughtry dull.

    I don’t like Cook because he is a WGWG or ‘soft rock’ or whatever other label people want to put on his stuff. I like him because I like his music.

    I also like Paloma Faith and Florence And The Machine and Elbow and Fleet Foxes and Muse and god knows what else.

    It’s the generalisation that p’s me off.

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