Idol Headlines for 10/28/10

The Lee DeWyze WXLO interview has been moved HERE.

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Lee DeWyze and his band are taping an interview and 5 performances for Walmart Soundcheck today. (via @DweezySignal). The set is due out mid-November.

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Kris Allen tweets, “Just to let everyone know that was at the concert last night, we raised $100000 for Blackbird Academy! Thanks everybody for the contribution”

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Siobhan Magnus will reportedly appear in the Philadelphia Thanksgiving parade.

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David Archuleta’s “Falling Stars” released to radio? Songwriter/Producer Claude Kelly tweets, “Lets Go @DavidArchie fans! start requesting! RT @lovefrommich my local radiostation just confirmed that they received Falling Stars frm Jive”

The song is streaming at mediabase, which is a sign that the song could be single-bound. (“Falling Stars” would be the 3rd single released from The Other Side of Down)

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Songwriter David Hodges having a little fun. He tweets, “Just finished tracking a song @thedavidcook, @nealfingtiemann, & I wrote. Wanna hear it? Be the first to hit me back…Ok, I’m just kidding. I can’t play you new music. I tease. But hopefully you’ll hear it in a couple of months on the album.”

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@CrystalBowersox, “great day at the studio, Tony ran around all day beating on drums and things, pantless, of course… is this a stage all kids go through?”

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More Headlines after the JUMP…

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Michael Johns sings an acoustic version of David Foster’s “Man In The Mirror” at Morning News Cafe in Vancouver, BC. Watch it HERE.

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Daughtry rocks Cape Town

The front man of American pop rock group Daughtry said he was overwhelmed by the support from his South African fans after performing in Cape Town on Wednesday night.

Die-hard fans waited in the line six hours before the concert to ensure a front row view.

Chris Daughtry told Eyewitness News, “I didn’t realise how much anticipation there was for us to be here. We certainly see Tweets from people saying ‘come here, come to Brazil’ but we don’t realise the magnitude of it.”

Read more at Eyewitness News

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All is Fair with Anoop Desai

I caught up with Anoop last week to talk about music, fashion and life and I learned that his great personality was not just for TV purposes, he’s really a good guy.

Anoop is promoting his new album and hit single All Is Fair. His life has changed significantly since the American Idol adventure which has given Anoop the license to follow his rock star dreams. And though he may have rock star aspirations and the talent to back it up, he also has a nice guy attitude. Anoop’s down to earth and genuine, he has a good sense of humor and he is passionate about music. So even though American Idol brought him into our living rooms every night in 2008, shooting up his popularity, the gift of voice is something he gets credit for entirely on his own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb3OCJcJ4BE&feature=player_embedded

Read more at Fashionado

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Melinda Doolittle and Syesha backstage at “Dreamgirls” in Nashville

Syesha plays the role of Deena in the the National tour.  Melinda tweets, “@Syesha was not only wonderful but stunning! WOW! She IS Deena! Loved seeing her on stage and off!”

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He’s optimistic, but not bubble gum – Despite personal trials, country singer Danny Gokey keeps a positive outlook

If music is culture, Danny Gokey wants to be part of making it better.

“You know, music is a worldwide culture, ” he says buoyantly. “Music just shapes culture, no matter what it is.”

To that end, Gokey is learning about music as fast as he can, and, in the process, he is learning about himself.

“I don’t want to be a bubble-gum guy with every song, but I believe a positive outlook can change people, ” Gokey explains. “I’ll always push that.”

Read more at The Province

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Carrie Underwood rises to the occasion at Gwinnett Arena

The Carrie Underwood of 2004, the one that had never stepped on a plane, would marvel at the Carrie Underwood of 2010, married and headlining sold-out shows all over America.

She’s come a long way, baby, paraphrasing that old Virginia Slims slogan.

Her vocals were spectacular, her outfits fun, her band impeccable and the pacing of the nearly two-hour, 21-song concert stellar. The production values were top notch as well. She has vastly improved even from her 2008 co-headlining tour with Keith Urban. She’s self assured but not cocky, moves around the stage with ease and didn’t let occasional high-tech wizardry take away from her fundamental girl-next-door essence.

Read more at the Atlanta Journal Constitution

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Katharine McPhee, Travis Ryan, Michael Johns on I AM soundtrack album

US WORSHIP label Maranatha! Music will release the album ‘I AM Official Motion Picture Soundtrack’ in November. The album will contain “Say Goodbye” by American Idol singer Katharine McPhee along with tracks by Travis Ryan, Michael Johns (American Idol), Tim Timmons, Jesica Specht, Jetstream, Christian Lundberg and Rasa 9.

Read more at Cross Rhythms

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Andrew Garcia covers Bruno Mars

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Diana DeGarmo on FOX Tampa

The National tour of 9 to 5 the musical has arrived in Tampa

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Paul Kim – Hero

Remember Paul Kim? He was in the Top 24 Season 6. He sang barefoot. Remember now? No?

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Cory Monteith & Dianna Agron: Glee Goes Glam!

Cory Monteith, Dianna Agron, and Matthew Morrison swap their usual McKinley High casual wear for more dressy attire while filming scenes for Glee on Wednesday (October 27) in Los Angeles.

Matthew munched on some snacks during a break, while Dianna sipped a drink.

Read more at Just Jared

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Glee: Kurt Gets His first Kiss on Nov 9

Question: May I please have some Puck-related Glee scoop? —Brittany
Ausiello: He’s not the character getting expelled.

Question: Are Burt and Carole getting married on Glee? —Danielle
Ausiello: They are if Kurt has anything to say about it. Speaking of weddings, the rumors are true: Sue is going to make history by becoming the first person on earth to marry — or at least attempt to marry — ****el*!

Question: Any more Glee scoop — maybe something about Kurt and his new BF, Darren Criss? —Matt
Ausiello: Save the date: Their first kiss is scheduled for Nov. 9! In related news, did you hear about this?

Read more at Entertainment Weekly

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Will Glee Newbie Hook Up With Kurt?

Only the good die young, which is why, when Glee’s newest castmember, the adorable, amazing, articulate, smart and humane Darren Criss, joked to us that his character Blaine could possibly get killed off in some kind of surprise cyborg killing spree, we actually got a little worried.

But hey, if the robots don’t get him first, could romance with Chris Colfer’s Kurt Hummel be in Blaine’s future? Here’s what the actor revealed:

Read more at E Online

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130 Comments

  1. mrsArchuleta12 @MelindaWEG how come david isn’t coming to orlando,FL?
    MelindaWEG @mrsArchuleta12 Because he will be in Asia

    FL was the Miracle Network performance that was canceled. So it looks like Archie will be in asia on the 13th(dont know how sooner he’ll be there) Thats only 2 weeks away, and we really havent heard anything beyond, “he’ll be in asia” Apparently it will be just him, no one tagging along that mike his guitarist knows of, meaning no bandmates. So I’m guessing this is just some radio promo or something. idk.

  2. I don’t remember Paul Kim (maybe if I went back to old videos) but he sounds great on that song and the video is very well done. I like MVs that tell a story.

    The Glee episode looks to be a wedding with the kids as bridesmaids and groomsmen. Wonder what the story is. And the baby? Is that the one we saw born on the finale fast forwarded?

  3. I was just talking to the guy who sits next to me at work about 9 to 5, he saw it last night here in Tampa. He said Diana’s accent was so thick you couldn’t understand her and she was very shrill. He said others around him were saying the same thing, very loud and nasal and they couldn’t understand her. I don’t know if this is a typical reaction to her part or not. He did say the show itself was fun and entertaining though.

  4. Wow- I have been waiting for Garcia to cover Bruno! Excellent- now if Andrew could only write something original- it would be interesting to hear what he comes up with because that dude sounds so much like him!

  5. X Factor UK winner (season 2) Shayne Ward released a music video for his new single. It’s a cover of Nickelback’s “Gotta Be Somebody”. Lot’s of shirtless scenes.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_E9236VLFE

    Well, hello there. He’s an attractive guy! I’m not a Nickelback fan and am not familiar with this particular song, but I like this version. :)

  6. Tony ran around all day beating on drums and things, pantless, of course… is this a stage all kids go through?”

    Crystal’s tweet about Little Tony was cute. Yes, most all kids do – but they mostly outgrow it – unless, of course, they are one of the people who get tapped to do a “Risky Business” tribute in a Guitar Hero commercial. *chuckle*

  7. Its great to hear that the Cook/Tiemann/Hodges collaboration might make it onto the next album. If the delay made way for this to happen, and its as good as I think it is, it will be well worth the wait. I can see why Hodges and Cook have become such good buds. I think they both love to poke fun.

  8. LOL! David Cook is on the move.

    #thedavidcook

    The only thing missing from this “rush to the airport cause I woke up late” fiasco is a John Williams orchestra score…

  9. If the delay made way for this to happen

    Well, as both Hodges and Maloy already collaborated with both Cook and Tiemann in the earlier part of the cycle, it was just as likely that one or more of those earlier songs was in contention with the initial studio batch.

    Maybe it is a better song than those earlier efforts, but as we’ve heard none of them, I’m not willing to speculate one way or the other.

    To me, the delay remains a circumstance, that’s all.

  10. It’s great that Crystal is enjoying motherhood (and being an involved and caring mother), but seriously she needs to stop being the American Idol goof ball and get a nanny / babysitter while she’s at work.

  11. But hopefully you’ll hear it in a couple of months on the album.”

    Hmm… I’m not gonna try not to read into the “couple of months” part of that tweet… I mean, a lot of people use the word couple when they mean “few”, not “2”, so I’m just gonna assume it makes no sense at this point to get an album late December or in the dead of January… I don’t think.

    Apparently it will be just him, no one tagging along that mike his guitarist knows of, meaning no bandmates. So I’m guessing this is just some radio promo or something. idk.

    That’s so weird… guess we’ll find out soon enough.

  12. Claude Kelly: Lets Go @DavidArchie fans! start requesting! RT @lovefrommich my local radiostation just confirmed that they received Falling Stars frm Jive

    Sounds like Jive released Falling Stars to radio. Wish they had David out promoting the song, in the U.S.

  13. Sounds like Jive released Falling Stars to radio.

    Well good. I hope the PD’s like this one. Archie is a sweetheart; even if I’m never gonna be buying his stuff, (demographic from another planet) I listened to all the tracks from TOSOD when mj put up the link…This one has rather wistful lyrics. Wishing him success with it!

  14. HappyDaisy
    haha I just saw that tweet and was going to ask Archie fans if they had switched singles agian…guess that answers my question.

    Anoop is promoting his new album and hit single All Is Fair

    Did I miss something…did Anoops song chart somewhere?

  15. Oh… lol… yeah… whatever.

    Didnt mean much for sbl or elevator. lol… grr.

  16. Eh, has RCA done anything sensible with David? I wouldn’t be shocked to see a January release at all. Its not like no one releases in January despite the crap sales. If it was December I think we would have heard more by now.

    Do you think Jive understands by now they simply can’t keep throwing songs out to radio and call them a single? I would hope this time they’ll actually help push the song to get airplay.

  17. I wouldnt count on it Trina. I think they are tossing stuff out and hoping it gets a resposne with no actual effort in doing anything.

  18. Sounds like Jive released Falling Stars to radio.

    Isn’t this the 3rd song they’ve now released to radio form this album. I’m so confused – why won’t they just pick one, give it a real adds date, and promote it?

  19. I’m hoping everyone is on the same page with Fallings Stars, it’s a beautiful song, though I love David’s entire album any single one would be fine with me as long as Jive does push it and management gets him promo opportunities.

    Other singers are putting out one song after another so this might be the new trend? IDK

    frogcooke, hoping real hard for a response.

  20. Thanks for the All Access link mj, I’m off to listen to some new tunes. report back later :)

  21. Is the music business in such chaos that labels can’t even trust their Focus Groups and demographic research any more? Don’t they get ‘any’ prior feedback from the PD’s? This has become a pattern of quickly changing singles – not just for Archie, he’s only the latest in a line of examples. Lee’s was officially changed even before it was released, for pity’s sake.

    Be cool if some of the Suits got their act together.

    IMO. Of Course.

  22. Eh, has RCA done anything sensible with David? I wouldn’t be shocked to see a January release at all.

    A lot of the launch for the first album was pretty sensible and coherent, I thought (I still maintain that LO was among the top 3 choices for a leadoff single, including the bonus tracks and snippets, and the other two had their drawbacks). And the launch is what we’d be talking about here. So, no, I don’t think they’re so jaw droppingly stupid that they’d ignore the chance to promote the album on AI if they are going to wait to release it for so long anyway. 19 would have something to say about it too, after all.

    Sounds like Jive released Falling Stars to radio.

    FS is one of the two songs on TOSOD that really connected on first listen and seemed like it could fit on radio, so hopefully the third time’s the charm.

  23. Other singers are putting out one song after another so this might be the new trend? IDK

    Yeah but they usually wait while the song does something on the charts or at least gets radio spins…..I hope this isn’t a sign on how radio feels about idols. I mean look at how Archie’s singles have been doing, then look at Lee and Crystal’s songs at the end of idol. I know its too soon for SS and Kris’ new song but TT didn’t do to well either (I know it did chart I think Top 15 on HAC).

    hmmm lol IDK just wondering if this is an indication of things to come for all idol contestants that radio is getting tired of them or maybe its just an indivial thing and a coincidence. *shrug* guess just wait and see how Kris, Lee, Archie and Crystal do.

  24. Is the music business in such chaos that labels can’t even trust their Focus Groups and demographic research any more? Don’t they get ‘any’ prior feedback from the PD’s? This has become a pattern of quickly changing singles – not just for Archie, he’s only the latest in a line of examples. Lee’s was officially changed even before it was released, for pity’s sake.

    Be cool if some of the Suits got their act together.

    IMO. Of Course.

    I agree with you on this. Adam had issues with FYE. TT for Kris was a big fail despite Jive’s continued sticking with it. Allison was all over the place with her singles release (FIBOU was decent, Scars was ridiculous, DWTP could have been good but by then any of her stuff was basically going to be DOA).

  25. Be cool if some of the Suits got their act together.

    IMO. Of Course.

    Songs fail all of the time, it’s nothing new. Jive and David’s management had a huge ad campaign built around SBL, so obviously they had faith in the song, but PDs didn’t play it. Now it is up to Jive to figure out what the problem was, was it just the song or was there another reason why it didn’t get spins. No label is perfect, if they were then every song would sell a million copies.

  26. Anoop is promoting his new album and hit single All Is Fair

    Did I miss something…did Anoops song chart somewhere?

    Not that I can find — but they are trying to make it an indie hit and have gotten some airplay. I think it is a matter of “if you say it….”

    The only connection I can find between AIF and the word “Hit” in on IHeartRadio.

    Anoops’ site links to the IHeartRadio listing for the unsigned artists — and it goes to IHR Hits vs. the general page. But although “All Is Fair” is available on IHR, it is not listed as a “hit” and is in the directory of indie artists work. It has 51 plays on IHR.

    Lots of indie artist have their music on IHR and 5 unsigned artists have over 1 million IHR plays. So it is a good place to be if you are one of the lucky few that break thru.

  27. I don’t think they’re so jaw droppingly stupid that they’d ignore the chance to promote the album on AI if they are going to wait to release it for so long anyway. 19 would have something to say about it too, after all.

    I’m not that confident. I have a really bad feeling about a January release. This isn’t the first time I’ve heard something that places David’s drop to “early next year”. March isn’t that “early”, and that worries me. At this point, I’m hoping for February at the earliest. I dunno… but yeah, an Idol performance drop week would be great…

  28. maybe its just an indivial thing and a coincidence.

    It’s this. Archie’s singles and TT didn’t work as radio songs (and archie’s singles didn’t even work as album cuts in my opinion lol). Carrie is still doing well on radio, Fantasia is doing well on radio, Adam is doing well, and so is Daughtry. People tend to emphasize the disappointments over the successes.

  29. March isn’t that early.

    i think anything between Jan and March is early in the year. And I doubt the album would be released in Jauary without a single being released at least one month before. I don’t know why people keep these speculation like RCA wants to do the worse and make it all wrong so his album burns. Where does that idea even come from? It’s not like RCA has problem kicking asses out of their label if they don’t want someone.

    Falling Stars is the best one of those three Archie singles (or whatever they are).

    It’s this. Archie’s singles and TT didn’t work as radio songs (and archie’s singles didn’t even work as album cuts in my opinion lol). Carrie is still doing well on radio, Fantasia is doing well on radio, Adam is doing well, and so is Daughtry. People tend to emphasize the disappointments over the successes.

    I agree with this. poeple act like every idol song is amazing and if it doesn’t do well on charts or isn’t played it’s the label’s fault or radio is against the idols. IMO there’s a lot more to it. To start with the fact that these songs are really nothing special. Who really wanted to listen to that TT version on radio?

  30. All true,Elliegrll, except, why didn’t the Label know PD’s didn’t like a particular track? That’s marketing research, they send out Promo copies to stations, they are supposedly connected to the Buzz before Big Plans are made, it’s part of their responsibility to get feedback – and yet – the ‘Make or Break’ people at the gate to Radio Play are not consulted? All the faith in the world didn’t help if –

    PDs didn’t play it

    and they just found this out?

    It’s kinda sorta slipshod, from the outside looking in….like ‘testing to destruction’ theory.

    JMO.

  31. Not that I can find — but they are trying to make it an indie hit and have gotten some airplay. I think it is a matter of “if you say it….”

    Thanks Q3 this is kinda what I thought. I don’t follow Anoop but I tend to pay attention here haha I thought I missed something :)

    gangreen29
    It’s this. Archie’s singles and TT didn’t work as radio songs (and archie’s singles didn’t even work as album cuts in my opinion lol). Carrie is still doing well on radio, Fantasia is doing well on radio, Adam is doing well, and so is Daughtry. People tend to emphasize the disappointments over the successes.

    I had left Carrie, Daughtry, and Fantasia out of it because they have been out of idol for awhile and have left alot of that behind…where as Lee, Archie, Crystal (IK no single yet), and Kris are all still under the idol catagory for radio PD’s…even Adam is. haha I guess we shall see what we see…just hopeing its a coincidence not a trend is all.

  32. Songs fail all of the time, it’s nothing new. Jive and David’s management had a huge ad campaign built around SBL, so obviously they had faith in the song, but PDs didn’t play it. Now it is up to Jive to figure out what the problem was, was it just the song or was there another reason why it didn’t get spins. No label is perfect, if they were then every song would sell a million copies.

    The vast majority of singles released to radio never get meaningful airplay. Even some major artists fail.

    And US radio is just odd — The Script, for example, have a big hit single in the US “Breakeven”. The follow-up in the US “The Man Who Can’t Be Moved” is US RIAA Gold (500,000 units sold in the US) but it was not a hit in the US. Peak at #86 on the Billboard Hot 100 mostly on sales.

    I think SBL was a pretty good bet. Elevator was a poor choice. I am very glad Jive is moving on to another single and doing it very quickly!

    ETA: I do not think being from Idol is a negative for most PDs. I think the music that some Idol alums put out is not well-suited to radio in many markets. Los Angeles, for example, is very diverse, majority non-white, Idol has low ratings there, and the top two CHR stations, KIIS FM and KAMP FM, lean rhythmic because the audience is not interested in classic pop music. WWFM, LLWD and September did not get local airplay on these stations because they do not fit the market.

    If someone from Idol put out a hot dance track that resonated with an urban audience then it would get airplay on these stations. But angsty light pop-rock songs do not fit.

  33. why didn’t the Label know PD’s didn’t like it? That’s marketing research

    I don’t think labels can always know that before releasing the song. In that case they’d always make the right choices and not send songs that would flop. Jive released it and they were promoting it but it didn’t catch. It became clear at some point the PDs wouldn’t like it and so they changed it. Like what happened with Adam last year.

  34. It’s this. Archie’s singles and TT didn’t work as radio songs (and archie’s singles didn’t even work as album cuts in my opinion lol). Carrie is still doing well on radio, Fantasia is doing well on radio, Adam is doing well, and so is Daughtry. People tend to emphasize the disappointments over the successes.

    LLWD did better than well, and TT benefited from that by being added to so many HAC stations, and in a relatively short period of time. The problem was that the song was just not radio friendly. Some listeners and some people in radio do have a bias against AI alums, but having a radio friendly song that people like has proven to remedy that.

  35. And I doubt the album would be released in Jauary without a single being released at least one month before.

    Exactly. it’s basically November, and they aren’t done recording, so I also doubt they’ll try to launch a single before the holiday freeze. (I would have doubted that anyway, but even more so if the tracklist is that far from being finalized, which is what “still submitting songs” means to me.)

    So February would be the absolute earliest it could drop, and if they’re going to do that, why not actually use the best platform they have for getting attention for the album and release in March when he can perform on the show?

  36. All true,Elliegrll, except, why didn’t the Label know PD’s didn’t like it? That’s marketing research, they send out Promo copies to stations, they are supposedly connected to the Buzz before Big Plans are made, it’s part of their responsibility to get feedback – and yet – the ‘Make or Break’ people at the gate to Radio Play are not consulted? All the faith in the world didn’t help if –

    They can’t poll every PD. Maybe they had a handful of PDs who liked SBL, it did get a few adds and reach top 50 on pop, but those PDs don’t speak for everyone else. The same is true with focus groups, just because 12 to 100 people in LA might like a song that doesn’t mean that people in other states will like it.

  37. Lots of Idols on All Access.

    I thought SBL was the best pop song on the album. The title track might have been a good choice. I’m not crazy about David’s falsetto in Falling Stars, I’m not sure about that choice. But maybe third time will be a charm. It’s a safe enough mid-tempo song.

    I like the Sick Puppies song. Alexa Ray Joel ripped off the beginning of George Michael’s ‘Faith’ and her voice is kinda um.. strange. I didn’t expect that.

    We are the Fallen is on there with ‘Sleep Well My Angel’, Carly sounds beautiful, I may have to pick up that song.

    And Scotty Mac, what are those synths? Holy 1982 but not in a good way.

    Daughtry and Santana, step away from my beloved Def Leppard. :) I do think this could be a hit though.

  38. We are the Fallen is on there with ‘Sleep Well My Angel’, Carly sounds beautiful, I may have to pick up that song.

    Me, too. You go, Carly. I love her voice when she taps into the many subtleties it has. Hope this is the beginning of a nice solid singing career for her.

  39. OK, I’ll play Devil’s Advocate. The Labels don’t have enough interns in R&D to do follow-up on the Promo copies they send to the bigger stations and conglomerates that control them, (ie Clear Channel), they only do tiny Focus Groups in LA, and the Rate the Music surveys, etc prior to release get bombed by well-meaning fans, so the data becomes useless.

    Even if the right hand was talking to the left hand, the real problem is the PD’s don’t actually ‘know’ what their audience will buy – so their gate keeper status is reduced to personal or corporate bias, making their input no less powerful, but a lot less useful. So what’s the use in asking them prior to releasing a track?

    In reality, the whole thing is a crap shoot – and it’s a wonder we ‘ever’ get any quality music, based on all these people’s decisions. No wonder they mostly give us ‘more of the same’ – it at least seems safe.

    Although, the Suits get really hefty salaries for shooting craps. *snerk* But, Reality is your Friend – and the industry is running scared. KWIM? I can live with that explanation – not a lot of other options, right now.

    JMO, Of Course.

  40. Most singles fail even some by big artists. Pop in particular is a true flavor of the month genre with artists huge in one era struggling a few years later.

    Plus I think the label does an extra special push for the first Idol album (and singles). That’s when they’re going to make the most $ because 99% of the time the first album generates the biggest sales.

    Archie and Pop radio doesn’t seem to be a match that is working.

  41. because ultimately the first album will always do the best.

    This wasn’t true for Kelly Clarkson, and it doesn’t have to be true for everyone else. Aside from the decline in people buying albums, the failure of the second albums to catch on is because the labels/management have failed at marketing these people to anyone outside of the AI bubble.

  42. This wasn’t true for Kelly Clarkson, and it doesn’t have to be true for everyone else. Aside from the decline in people buying albums, the failure of the second albums to catch on is because the labels/management have failed at marketing these people to anyone outside of the AI bubble.

    Eh. Carrie was marketed outside the bubble just fine, but her second album saw sales declines that outpaced the overall decline in album sales. Ditto every single winner, runner up or signed contestant not named Kelly Clarkson. The labels don’t always do things well, but the Idol sales decline is not always about them.

    But I do agree a second album can be quite successful.

  43. This wasn’t true for Kelly Clarkson,

    The exception proves the rule. I can’t blame labels/management because not everyone from Idol connects outside the AI bubble. It’s not all about marketing. The big Idol success stories have done fine but there is a law of diminishing returns for Idols. It’s a combination of overall sales decline and (for many) the erosion of the Idol fan base without the increase in new fans.

    Fortunately, music sales aren’t the end of careers. Many Idols do fine touring, performing on Bway, etc.

  44. Eh. Carrie was marketed outside the bubble just fine, but her second album saw sales declines that outpaced the overall decline in album sales. Ditto every single winner, runner up or signed contestant not named Kelly Clarkson. The labels don’t always do things well, but the Idol sales decline is not always about them

    It was going to be hard for Carrie’s second album to top 7 million copies sold, especially since it didn’t have a crossover pop hit. The lack of a “Before He Cheats” played a bigger role in the numbers sold for the second album than Carrie being from AI.

    If these people release good music, nobody will care that they are from AI. It always boils down to being about the music, and how that music is promoted. There is no rule that says AI alums can’t break out of the bubble, or that the second album can’t do better than the first.

  45. I don’t think labels can always know that before releasing the song. In that case they’d always make the right choices and not send songs that would flop. Jive released it and they were promoting it but it didn’t catch. It became clear at some point the PDs wouldn’t like it and so they changed it. Like what happened with Adam last year.

    No one know for sure what will be a bit hit and what will be a miss — if the labels or PDs knew, no one would bother with research. And a song can test well before release and die out there because of other factors.

    Regarding the comparison of FYE to SBL — not the same at all.

    FYE did OK in the US but was a hit outside of the US. And RCA released WWFM 17 days after they released FYE. Both before the album was released. It was a two single strategy from the start.

    FYE was not promoted in the US — just the radio debut with KIIS FM on 10/30/09, then on sale 11/3/09. WWFM was announced as the second single and promotion started on 11/18/09 (It was sent to some PD’s in early November and RCA reps were telling PDs this was “the” single. WWFM was the song promoted to radio. On 12/7/10 WWFM was #50 on the Pop airplay chart and headed up.

    My guess — is that RCA thought FYE would do better in the US. But that they planned on WWFM being the lead single at least by early November.

    Finally FYE was a hit in outside of the US — and it charted in the US:

    US FYE #61 in US (BB Hot 100) and #5 on the Hot Dance Tracks, sold over 333K units.

    Other countries: #1 in Japan, #5 in Finland, #10 New Zealand, #21 in Australia, #23 Canada, #36 in the UK, Top 10 on radio in at least 16 other countries.

    Jive was 110% behind SBL — it just did not become a hit

    Jive promoted SBL is a well-orchestrated campaign that lasted 3 months.

    SBL was announced as the lead single in June 2010. It started streaming on David’s site on 7/1/10 on sales 7/20/10. It was released and promoted to radio. It only hit #104 on the US Billboard Hot 100 and did not chart internationally (released in at least 4 countries). Jive released the video on 8/5/10 and Jive stayed with SBL. Frankly, looks like a good promotional plan to me.

    It was after SBL didn’t gain any support that Jive started to bump around in the dark….

    About 2 months after release they dabbled with Elevator. It really didn’t get a full promotional push.

    Now 3 month later, and 3 weeks after the album was released, Jive is sending FS to radio. Really very different.

  46. So February would be the absolute earliest it could drop, and if they’re going to do that, why not actually use the best platform they have for getting attention for the album and release in March when he can perform on the show?

    LOL, I agree with that logic, of course, but it doesn’t mean RCA does as well. I sure hope it does, but I’m just getting an uneasy feeling about what “early 2011” means. I’m not one of those who think RCA is out to get David, at all. I’m just worried they might decide for whatever reason Jan/Feb is a good idea. That’s all. Just speculating here about the drop. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.

    Aside from the decline in people buying albums, the failure of the second albums to catch on is because the labels/management have failed at marketing these people to anyone outside of the AI bubble.

    Yep. Daughtry and Carrie’s declines are due to industry decline. Everyone elses’ is probably the latter reason. Yes, that’s simplifying, and there are other factors, etc, but IMO, mostly true.

    FYE was not promoted in the US — just the radio debut with KIIS FM on 10/30/09, then on sale 11/3/09.

    How do you know this? Maybe there was a behind the scenes push to radio? On the flip side, how do we know SBL was such a well-orchestrated campaign? Maybe Jive threw it out there and flipped really quickly. Point is, we don’t really know. I tend to think labels do try their best to promote their singles so they do well. What’s the point of throwing something out there and wasting money if they’re only going to flip and promote something else instead?

  47. There is no rule that says AI alums can’t break out of the bubble, or that the second album can’t do better than the first.

    Maybe Mandisa has done it. Her gospel albums seem to do well. I’m too lazy to check though ;) So she could join Kelly on the short list.

  48. Unfortunately for David, this is looking more and more like Allison’s situation with Jive. They keep tossing singles out there and program directors keep saying “nope.” He’d better hope “Falling Stars” catches on because I can’t imagine Jive is going to continue to take a bath on this record. Eventually the plug is going to get pulled.

  49. jpfan:

    They can certainly break out of the bubble but there has only been ONE Idol who every had a second album do better than the first – Kelly. I’ll be happy to see someone else join her on that short list. It’s pretty hard to fight the years long erosion in album sales for a start. Add alot of factors unique to Idol and it gets even tougher.

    I have enormous faith in David Cook (and a sneaking suspicion that my faith will be well-rewarded). :)

  50. There is no rule that says AI alums can’t break out of the bubble, or that the second album can’t do better than the first.

    Well, at this point, almost no one’s second album is going to do better than the first if it had any degree of success to begin with, because sales keep sliding.

    And I also think “the AI bubble” has a significant degree of overlap with the “HAC bubble,” and until CHR proper starts actually opening itself again to more than a token representative or two of genres outside dance pop and hip-hop, it’s going to be hard for artists to break out of that. Whether they came from AI or not.

  51. Unfortunately for David, this is looking more and more like Allison’s situation with Jive.

    Not at all, David has sold over 1 mil albums in over 2 years, even had a New York best selling book, selling out most venues in two solo tours, has been invited to perform in countless charity events, two Christmas specials so far, Celtic Women and The Tabernacle Choir with over 1.5 mil requests for tickets, no comparison in my opinion.

  52. If these people release good music, nobody will care that they are from AI. It always boils down to being about the music, and how that music is promoted.

    I agree with that statement, but that’s different that what we are arguing, no? ITA if someone puts out music that connects with a sizeable non-AI audience, and is marketed in a way that packages an image that audience wants to buy into… then of course they can keep selling lots of records and will be set up to have a strong career. But that is different than saying that there is no such thing as a built in AI audience decline that will happen no matter what you do.

    I mean, 10 years of artists that have had varying levels of success but no one has been able to match their first CD except one? Drops bigger than the overall market decline? Even artists from other reality shows? Leona Lewis, Ashley Simpson, Jessica Simpson for that matter LOL, etc etc. Yeah you can point to an individual fact here and there but the overall pattern is too strong to ignore, to me anyway.

  53. Here’s hoping that the third time is a charm for David Archuleta. Team Archuleta shot themselves in the foot with selecting SBL as the lead single, and then shot themselves in the other foot with the even worse choice of Elevator for single #2. I can’t say that this CD is better than the debut, but there are some songs on this album that are pretty good. Can Falling Stars gain any traction and generate some interest in this CD? I hope so.

  54. It was going to be hard for Carrie’s second album to top 7 million copies sold, especially since it didn’t have a crossover pop hit. The lack of a “Before He Cheats” played a bigger role in the numbers sold for the second album than Carrie being from AI.

    Since Carrie is the last artist to sell 7 million album units in the US — kind of hard to expect her to top that.

    Carrie, Kelly, Kelly Pickler, Daughtry and Adam have all added a lot of non-Idol fans to their fanbase. Danny Gokey also might be because he is getting really good exposure to a broader country-inspirational market. But they all have also retained a lot of Idol fans.

    But look at Jordin — clearly she sold to non-Idol fans and she had big hit singles — but she can’t fill a small venue. I do not think that Jordin kept her Idol fans and she did not gain a lot of new committed fans. So people buy her songs when they like them, but the vast majority are not passionate about her.

    I am wondering if something similar has happened to Archie — many of his Idol fans seem to have moved on — otherwise I have to believe the majority of his fans stole or did not like his album.

    JMHO YMMV

    ETA: David A. is nothing like Allison. I have not written off this album or FS as a single, but IF they do not sell well, Jive will have him back in the studio and, now that he appears to have better management, will most likely go in a more successful direction. And even if David never has a successful recording again — he is has many other possible things to do in the music business.

    Allison only has two options open to her — 1. hook up with a rock band that needs a lead singer and work up way up (doubt this will happen) or 2. get another major label deal and do a better job positioning herself (more likely but still not probable).

  55. Well, at this point, almost no one’s second album is going to do better than the first if it had any degree of success to begin with, because sales keep sliding.

    So Kris has a shot? Badum dum! Just kidding, I love Kris, think he’s great, and almost went to see him. His album has some degree of success, but you gotta admit 300K-ish (sorry, am not keeping track) isn’t such a high bar. Maybe Alli will get signed on a different label and have a successful relaunch and do better second time around. She’s so talented- hope something works out for her.

    I am wondering if something similar has happened to Archie — many of his Idol fans seem to have moved on — otherwise I have to believe the majority of his fans stole or did not like his album.

    I don’t know that it has to be either. I know Archie stays busy because of this blog, but otherwise, he’s not that visible. People who still like him are probably not aware he has an album out- not without hearing some stuff on radio. I think you can be a casual fan of someone who hasn’t “moved on” necessarily, and not e-stalk their every move. That’s me with most of my musical faves. I’m often not aware of their new album until I see it at a store, hear it on the radio, see them on a talk show… happen upon something online.

  56. The exception proves the rule.

    I think the exception proves my point. The first album sold on the basis of Kelly being from this new show, and not so much because of the music. But, Breakaway (the song) resulted in people, especially those within the industry, seeing Kelly as more than a reality show contestant, so they were more open to giving her songs a chance. Many critics have commented on Breakaway being a better album than Thankful, and based on how well the singles did I think music buyers feel the same way.

    FYE was not promoted in the US — just the radio debut with KIIS FM on 10/30/09, then on sale 11/3/09.

    A video is pretty big promo. We don’t know what labels do behind the scenes to push a song, but we do know that this was the first single, and that some PDs didn’t like it. Like with Blah Blah Blah, it didn’t take RCA long to know that they needed to make a change.

  57. Carrie, Kelly, Kelly Pickler, Daughtry and Adam have all added a lot of non-Idol fans to their fanbase. Danny Gokey also might be because he is getting really good exposure to a broader country-inspirational market. But they all have also retained a lot of Idol fans.

    We won’t know what Adam or Gokey have done until they release their next album. And while Kellie Pickler has done well her albums are not exactly selling at an amazing rate.

  58. And I also think “the AI bubble” has a significant degree of overlap with the “HAC bubble,” and until CHR proper starts actually opening itself again to more than a token representative or two of genres outside dance pop and hip-hop, it’s going to be hard for artists to break out of that. Whether they came from AI or not.

    I totally agree with this. Kelly, Adam and Archie are still trying for Pop but it’s tough without getting rhythmic airplay as well. Maybe SS could crossover to CHR but it’s right in the HAC wheelhouse primarily. Still waiting to see what they do with Cookie and #2.

    IMO, pure pop is really getting squeezed out between HAC and dance/rap/hip hop.

  59. Sorry, I couldn’t edit my last post.

    But that is different than saying that there is no such thing as a built in AI audience decline that will happen no matter what you do.

    I agree with this, but didn’t know that this was the argument. My problem is with the idea that it is automatic that AI alums won’t do as well with the second album. My view is that this doesn’t have to be the case, and the fact that they are from AI is not something that should keep them from selling albums. They are going to shed a lot of AI fans, as we’ve seen with Archie, but that’s why they need to be marketed to an audience that listens to the radio stations that play their genre of music, have a well defined musical identity, and why they shouldn’t be forced to release music that doesn’t fit them, but does appeal to the average AI viewer.

  60. Not at all, David has sold over 1 mil albums in over 2 years, even had a New York best selling book, selling out most venues in two solo tours, has been invited to perform in countless charity events, two Christmas specials so far, Celtic Women and The Tabernacle Choir with over 1.5 mil requests for tickets, no comparison in my opinion.

    But where are these fans now? Either they don’t like the new album, don’t know about the new album or have moved on. Something tells me that the people going to see Archie with the Tabernacle Choir aren’t the same audience that SBL was aimed at. There’s a disconnect with Archie’s promotion. I don’t know how to fix it, but hopefully his management will figure something out. Christmas specials, Celtic Woman and CHR airplay just don’t jive, pardon the pun.

  61. but that’s why they need to be marketed to an audience that listens to the radio stations that play their genre of music

    And, again, as playlists grow tighter and tighter across the board at radio, this becomes more difficult to do. For all artists, not just AI alumni. If active and alt-rock choke up 80 percent of their playlists with turgid aggro and only let the occasional melodic band through, and if CHR gets progressively more rhythmic, and if Urban gets more and more hip-hop focused, then the artists who come from AI, who tend to release more melodic material (based on personal preference as much as anything, from what I’ve seen), get pushed to HAC or UAC and have to fight to cross over. Country artists still have to fight too, of course, but there’s theoretically more acceptance of their strengths in that format.

  62. I agree with this, but didn’t know that this was the argument. My problem is with the idea that it is automatic that AI alums won’t do as well with the second album. My view is that this doesn’t have to be the case, and the fact that they are from AI is not something that should keep them from selling albums. They are going to shed a lot of AI fans, as we’ve seen with Archie, but that’s why they need to be marketed to an audience that listens to the radio stations that play their genre of music, have a well defined musical identity, and why they shouldn’t be forced to release music that doesn’t fit them, but does appeal to the average AI viewer.

    Okey doke Elliegrll, I think we are on the same page then. I agree it is possible to do better the second time (or at least not have a drop bigger than the overall market decline) – anything is possible with good material, smart marketing and luck – I just don’t think it is probable. And I think it’s not probable for a lot of reasons… the first album being so rushed and written by committee more often than not, no real time to do thought out branding type stuff most of the time, the label trying to strike a balance between “Idol” fans and “regular” fans, stupid decisions being made all around (by the label and by inexperienced idols), etc.

    I honestly think Kelly 1. put out very good material, but more importantly 2. got really, really lucky with the timing, and happened to catch a public really in the mood for some spunky girl pop/rock and 3. had a label that knew how to take full advantage of the situation. There is no law that it can’t happen again for someone else, I agree.

  63. Q3, if you have special info from RCA on how they plalned the first Adam singles releases, then ok, but the way I (and most of us) saw it, FYE was the first single, released as such, promoted as such, and there was not two single strategy from the start. But that discussion is past and there’s no point picking on it.
    I was just saying Jive was promoting SBL, and they probably believed in it at first but then they got a negative response and changed singles. Each artist is different, and no matter the when/how it happens, changing singles when a label sees a song isn’t catching happens and it has happened to other idols. But we agree about Jive and I think that was kind the issue here. Sometimes it’s just not lack of label support. (of course everything Jive has done after it is very questionable).
    SBL has a lot of issues, trying to be something that never becomes, it’s not even that catchy (just compare it to Crush) and the lyrics are terrible (I don’t mean the meaning of the lyrics, but the way they flow). And TT wasn’t a radio song either. Sometimes it is about the song.

  64. 2. got really, really lucky with the timing, and happened to catch a public really in the mood for some spunky girl pop/rock

    I’ll admit that luck was involved, but I think it was being given Breakaway. Without that song, and the attention that it was given in the movie promo, I doubt PDs would have given the second album a chance.

    tinawina, I agree with a lot of what you said, but this is why I think the first album should be about launching a legitimate career, and not about profiting from these people’s (short lived) AI fame. Some of the alums aren’t easy to market, so I can see trying to make a quick buck (example, Taylor), but for those who are, the effort should be made to helping them have long careers, that’s in the best interest of everyone involved.

  65. Look at Xtina and RCA. Her era was an expensive flop that couldn’t be recovered by a quick single switch. I think she sold ok in the UK. And now she’s moved on to promoting her movie. Her fanbase didn’t really rally for her either, unless they’ve moved on from her as well.

  66. but this is why I think the first album should be about launching a legitimate career, and not about profiting from these people’s (short lived) AI fame.

    I think you are totally right. Maybe this will start to happen since they’ve moved on from Sony? Perhaps? One can only hope.

    I’ll admit that luck was involved, but I think it was being given Breakaway. Without that song, and the attention that it was given in the movie promo, I doubt PDs would have given the second album a chance.

    Good point. She is not the only Idol that put out a second album that was better reviewed than the first. But she got a break in the form of an unexpected hit in Breakaway, and that could have been what made all the difference.

  67. haha no one finds it funny that Susan Boyle may play the Lunch Lady on Glee….

  68. I think the first album should be about launching a legitimate career, and not about profiting from these people’s (short lived) AI fame.

    OK. How to do that? ( Not even taking into consideration the profit factor for anyone, Idol Tour, Label or artist.) Eliminate or drastically shorten the Idol Tour, leaving a little more time to try to get quality into the first album in time for the Christmas season – or don’t even aim for the Christmas season after Idol – keep the tour to keep the fans interested, and put out an album 6 months to whatever later? Except – will the fans wait, with no new material or visibility since May? If there is no immediate album – what is released to radio to attract the new fans – theoretically, and if the artist is in the studio, where does the Idol Buzz go – does it dissipate? Ought the artist to start all over again building the diminished fanbase from scratch, with no previous track record of a first album?

    Granted – if the first album is SO badly received, some would have to anyway – but how successful do you see that being, having been, over time? Especially since the fickle market is always moving on to the next best thing.

    It’s a tightrope act between commercialism and artistry and the tyranny of time constraints, with all parties involved trying to both launch, and profit – while the Idol Paradigm works against your legitimate hopes and wishes for that first album, in my observation.

    JMO, though. I don’t have any answers. *snerk* @Myself.

  69. haha no one finds it funny that Susan Boyle may play the Lunch Lady on Glee….

    I’m really trying to block it out smeggs..

  70. Carrie, Kelly, Kelly Pickler, Daughtry and Adam have all added a lot of non-Idol fans to their fanbase. Danny Gokey also might be because he is getting really good exposure to a broader country-inspirational market. But they all have also retained a lot of Idol fans.

    I think Cook has probably done it and Kris has the same potential to do it as Danny and Adam. For the 3 Season 8 guys, it’s really hard to make a determination as of yet. And as far Crystal and Lee, that’s going to be interesting to watch. If Crystal can break into the AAA market, she has as good a shot as all the others mentioned here. JMHO.

  71. I feel that this being primarily an Idol blog that we sometimes (and rightly so) find ourselves in the proverbial idol bubble without really realizing it…and consequently we tend to “grade” the idols on a scale that mere mortals would be afraid to tackle.

    We become so wrapped up in the success or failure of an idol we forget to compare them to the artists that are really in direct competition with them. How many Singers that debuted with Kelly 10 years ago are still making records, how many pop-rock groups that compete with Daughtry and still active even 5 years later. And Carrie has been a force in the country female market for 6 years…how many that started along side her are still recording and selling well.

    Being on AI is both a blessing and a curse. We all know the blessings…but the curse is that good initial after idol sales will always be astericked in the real world. None of these kids developed organically, so they are constantly fighting to retain old fans who still see them as reality star darlings while finding a niche for themselves and developing new fans…and if they succeed in both of these things many peeps will still brand them as being successful only because of AI.

    At this point in time I can say, unequivocally, that Kelly has proven herself as an Artist…that Carrie has done a great job…and that Daughtry looks like he/they will have some staying power if the industry itself doesn’t blow away their genre. In 6 to 10 years we can see how the latest Idols are faring: Jordin, the Davids, Kris, Danny, Adam, Lee and Crystal…until then it will be a rocky road for us and them.

  72. sr4mjc:
    10/28/2010 at 2:48 pm
    haha no one finds it funny that Susan Boyle may play the Lunch Lady on Glee….

    I’m really trying to block it out smeggs..

    haha but it has the potential for so much LOL’ing imagine all the stereotypes they can play with….she fits the stereotypical crazy lunch lady look, you know they would have her be unhygenic as well. And just think we can hear “Peanut Butter Jelly Time” sung a la “I Dreamed a Dream”

  73. Not at all, David has sold over 1 mil albums in over 2 years

    His first CD and a Christmas CD. In the “what have you done for me lately” world of pop music, that means nothing.

    even had a New York best selling book

    Didn’t make Jive a cent.

    selling out most venues in two solo tours

    again, that puts a lil money in the artist’s pocket but does nothing for the label. And where are all those thousands of fans now?

    has been invited to perform in countless charity events, two Christmas specials so far, Celtic Women and The Tabernacle Choir with over 1.5 mil requests for tickets, no comparison in my opinion.

    All well and good but does nothing to bolster him as a mainstream pop star.
    David either needs to stop pretending he’s got what it takes to be a pop star or he should do everything Jive tells him to do for the 3rd cd. He’s had his little “artistic moment” and it’s flopping like a dying fish on shore. Nobody’s asking him to be Usher or Adam or Fall Out Boy. But when the clean cut Jonas brothers (who appear to have a similar conservative upbringing) show more mojo and sexual energy in their rather tame lyrics and performances than you do, you should just admit you were born in the wrong decade. There’s nothing wrong with that, there’s a market somewhere for that but it’s not the pop charts and that’s proven with every flop single release.

    All I see is that maybe he needs to make Christmas CDs and write inspirational books. Maybe that’s his true calling?

  74. maybe he needs to make Christmas CDs

    well that would be good for the label since he would make them money if he sells Christmas CDs :)

  75. The biggest problem that Archie is facing right now is lack of promotion. Whether that’s generated from Jive or management, who cares, it’s a serious issue. I don’t care what anyone thinks of the album — it should have sold more than 34K in the first 3 weeks. It’s a major fail on the part of whoever was behind promo here. Can you think of any other artists releasing on a major label who have essentially sat at home for the 3 weeks following album release? No promo whatsoever? Insanity. They needed to have things booked.

    Can anyone here honestly say they would even know that David Archuleta had a new album out if they hadn’t heard it here or on other AI boards?

  76. And I never thought I’d say this but the Christmas album actually got more promo than this pop album has gotten. (And I thought the promo for that was bad at the time, little did I know! lol) I can think of multiple pretty high profile shows that Archie sang on to promo that album. So far for this one, he’s had Regis & Kelly and Wendy Williams. That’s it.

  77. The other day in Target I saw the SBL video playing on the monitors. It may not seem like much but that’s pretty good promo.

    And so excited Lee’s Soundcheck is premiering mid Nov! Perfect timing! 5 songs woo!

  78. So far for this one, he’s had Regis & Kelly and Wendy Williams. That’s it.

    That’s management. Who manages him now?

  79. music78girl: The biggest problem that Archie is facing right now is lack of promotion….Can you think of any other artists releasing on a major label who have essentially sat at home for the 3 weeks following album release? No promo whatsoever? Insanity. They needed to have things booked.

    Absolutely! What is the deal on the absence of promo? And why was that Today show appearance cancelled?

    Beyond the whopping issue of promotion, there’s likely a lot to the story that we’re not aware of. Money is probably an issue. Another is that David went for six months without management during a critical time. Another is who knows what disagreements there may have been about album songs.

    It also appears that David’s fanbase is much smaller than I’d thought and/or lacking in loyalty. This guy has worked very hard to maintain that fanbase with all the social media: twitter, vlogs, phone stuff, chats, etc.

  80. He’s had his little “artistic moment” and it’s flopping like a dying fish on shore. Nobody’s asking him to be Usher or Adam or Fall Out Boy.

    Ouch…I was pointing out the differences in David’s and Allison’s journey to date. But the statement seems a little harsh imo.

    Interesting classifying Adam in Usher’s or Fall Out Boy’s league, excuse me nowhere near there as of yet.

    There’s nothing wrong with that, there’s a market somewhere for that but it’s not the pop charts and that’s proven with every flop single release.

    Well his album is selling slowly I’ll agree, and btw I think it’s an excellent album and the majority of the reviews are good, some radio stations are spinning both SBL and Elevator as we speak. So he won’t be the next super pop star and from his own words he’s ok with that as long as he can make a decent living making music and I don’t see anything wrong with that.

  81. That’s management. Who manages him now?

    Wright Entertainment Group. The manager’s name is Melinda. She’s MelindaWEG on Twitter.

  82. I think the first album should be about launching a legitimate career, and not about profiting from these people’s (short lived) AI fame.

    But I’m not sure how interested any label is in building legitimate careers anyway . It really is all about making profits when you can.

  83. Delated my comment, didn’t realize there’s a thread on Falling Stars. Thanks.

  84. Q3, if you have special info from RCA on how they plalned the first Adam singles releases, then ok, but the way I (and most of us) saw it, FYE was the first single, released as such, promoted as such, and there was not two single strategy from the start. But that discussion is past and there’s no point picking on it.

    There is a lot of public info that WWFM was in the single mix from the beginning: RCA Field Reps were given both FYE and WWFM at the same time, and Z100 had WWFM by 11/2/09 (maybe sooner) and their PD, Sharon Dastur, was a major supporter of WWFM before it went for adds on 11/23/09.

    But my point was not to rehash FYE — I just disagree that SBL has much in common with FYE. And I do not believe FYE was a flop.

    Similarly, I do not think that David and Adam have much in common except they both were on Idol, they both are trying to get Pop airplay, and they were both my favs during their seasons.

    I understand why FYE was not destined to be a radio hit in the US — and I cannot believe that RCA was expecting it to be a big hit here. A song about S&M by any man would be a tough sell, but make the artist openly gay and through in a vintage shuffle beat from the 70’s and you do not have a formula for success. I do not credit RCA with a ton of intelligence but I do not think they are that stupid.

    But the rejection of SBL by radio and the fact that it is not selling actually puzzles me. It is not that different than some other songs that have gotten airplay. Perhaps the attempt to shift David to dance-pop was the issue — maybe they should have just stuck with straight-up pop or a mid-tempo ballad — but that could have relegated Archie to HAC.

    And why didn’t people buy SBL? Since the VEVO video of SBL now has over 4 million views, people have watched the video, plus the song has lots of streaming media listens on Last FM and AOL and other sites. And this is in addition to streaming it on Archie’s site.

    SBL VEVO 8/5/10 4,238,040 views sales ?? maybe 50K units
    4 million is a lot of views —

    For comparison….on VEVO
    LLWD has 2,356,383 views
    IIHY and WWFM just over 10 million and FYE over 5 million

  85. FYE was not promoted in the US — just the radio debut with KIIS FM on 10/30/09, then on sale 11/3/09.

    The AMAs on 11/22/09 was not promotion? If not, what was it? Every write-up of the show referred to FYE as “his new single.” You can Google that if you doubt it.

    I believe that was supposed to be the kickoff of the song’s real promo. I’m sure they were just waiting for that performance, to really give the song a big launch. Why else would the song have been performed as the closing number on the AMAs?

    The aftermath is too much to go into, but I believe that broadcast was supposed to have been the launch of big promotion.

  86. Absolutely! What is the deal on the absence of promo?

    All management can do is attempt to book him. If the shows aren’t receptive or would prefer to book guests more likely to increase the ratings, well Archie’s team is out of luck. It’s not as simple as telling his team to book high profile appearances. I’m sure they’ve tried and continue to try. But Leno, Letterman, and other shows are very coveted and highly competitive. It’s not necessarily managements fault if the booking teams aren’t interested in booking David, or if they won’t schedule him for several weeks/months.

  87. Can anyone here honestly say they would even know that David Archuleta had a new album out if they hadn’t heard it here or on other AI boards?

    I wouldn’t have, except I did see his video playing in Target. So then I would have known :) If I wasn’t a Target addict, though, no. Did I mention I love Target? Heh.

  88. some radio stations are spinning both SBL and Elevator as we speak.

    I think he got like 120 combined spins last week and I am sure 40 of that came from one radio station in Salt Lake. David is not being spun on the radio as we speak. Check out Brian’s columns for confirmation.

  89. All management can do is attempt to book him. If the shows aren’t receptive or would prefer to book guests more likely to increase the ratings, well Archie’s team is out of luck. It’s not as simple as telling his team to book high profile appearances. I’m sure they’ve tried and continue to try. But Leno, Letterman, and other shows are very coveted and highly competitive. It’s not necessarily managements fault if the booking teams aren’t interested in booking David, or if they won’t schedule him for several weeks/months.

    David’s new management came on the scene pretty recently.

    Leaving aside big guns like Leno, is there not anything promotion-related that they could have had him doing other than being at home a lot during the last three weeks?

    Separately, he’s going to do the Christmas performances before 80,000 people at MoTab and they probably won’t have his Christmas CD for sale on site there. ‘Tis a pity.

  90. The AMAs on 11/22/09 was not promotion? If not, what was it? Every write-up of the show referred to FYE as “his new single.” You can Google that if you doubt it.

    I do not believe the AMAs were radio promotion — how would that result in radio airplay? How did any radio station benefit from that?

    But I agree with you because that it was Adam’s new single because I think it was a two song strategy and they bailed on FYE —

    There is also no doubt that WWFM was debuted as the second single on Z100 on 11/18/09 and was added the same day. WWFM went for adds on 11/23/09. How did RCA know to deliver WWFM to radio a week before the AMAs?

    There are three theories that fit the facts….

    1. FYE was the first single, but it failed to get the response RCA wanted from PDs –so 15 days after they went for adds they switched to WWFM.

    2. They planned to release both FYE and WWFM to radio and go with a multi-genre two single promo strategy. After the AMAs they shifted focus to WWFM only.

    3. Z100 is important and Sharon wanted WWFM to be the single — so RCA released it.

    All I know is RCA did not know that Adam would “improvise” on the AMAs on the 11/18/09 when they announced WWFM was the second single. The only way it is possible they knew is if RCA planned the “shocking” performance the whole time. And I cannot believe that Sony, the most conservative of the 4 major labels, would plan a high-risk strategy like that. And if 19 or RCA planned it, they would have had Adam do it in rehearsal to get it cleared in advance. Adam may not have realized that the performances needed to all be reviewed in advance but 19 and RCA would certainly have known.

  91. All the Target addicts have probably noticed the large red CD racks right next to the checkout lanes filled with nothing but new Taylor Swift CDs, just in case you almost managed to make it out of the store without buying one. Nobody’s cutting any corners with her promo.

  92. I do not believe the AMAs were radio promotion — how would that result in radio airplay?

    Had the FYE performance went better, some viewers may have requested it on their local station. The possible effects for radio play were indirect, but they were there.

  93. Here’s the thing though (and this is not a knock on Archie, I truly hate seeing him struggle) but lack of huge promo aside, how is possible his 500,000 Twitter followers don’t know about the CD? I know Twitter followers don’t always equal sales but that’s a HUGE discrepancy compared to what the album has sold so far. And as mentioned above 4 million views of a video is a hell of a lot. Obviously lots of people at least knew of the SBL video. I strongly suspect Jive at the least hoped they could rely on a seemingly huge fanbase to buy even if airplay struggled. I am shocked though he didn’t get on Ellen since I just always assumed she liked all Idols.

    Lol Swift’s people can shell out a buttload of money on promo cuz she’ll just make it back for them in like, oh 5 days?

  94. There is also no doubt that WWFM was debuted as the second single on Z100 on 11/18/09 and was added the same day.

    WWFM was released to radio even earlier, on 11/14/2009, and was already getting over 100 spins by the 18th.

  95. Can anyone here honestly say they would even know that David Archuleta had a new album out if they hadn’t heard it here or on other AI boards?

    Yes, I think so…..

    OSOD was on an endcap in Walmart for debut week. It was reviewed in EW (print), US, USA Today (print and online), several major market newspapers, many college papers — it was more place then just Idol blogs. Plus David has been on TV.

    There are over 4 million unique views for SBL on VEVO — seems like it is pretty broad reach to me and more than just Idol blog regulars.

    I think there may have been too much effort to make this album commercially successful. The result is the it doesn’t showcase David’s beautiful singing voice and the album incorporates a checklist list of things that are popular right now. Plus, some of the lyrics are just not good.

    Before the album was out, David spoke about incorporating R&B and Latin influlences into his next album. I would have loved to have heard those songs — to hear at least something new on the album.

  96. springboard:
    10/28/2010 at 5:33 pm

    There is also no doubt that WWFM was debuted as the second single on Z100 on 11/18/09 and was added the same day.

    WWFM was released to radio even earlier, on 11/14/2009, and was already getting over 100 spins by the 18th.

    Oh, good point!

    Yes, it was delivered to some stations on 11/2/10. But the official announcement as a single was on 11/18/09 — I believe.

    WWFM was certainly played before 11/18/09. But I this its status was unclear until the Z100 announcement on 11/18/09.

    In any case — WWFM was definitely released as a single on radio and on sale before the AMA’s, and before the album release.

    And — on the original point — FYE has nothing to do with SBL.

    In the meantime — Sleepwalker is getting played in Canada — even at 4:24 with no radio edit.

  97. In any case — WWFM was definitely released as a single on radio and on sale before the AMA’s, and before the album release.

    What does this have to do with RCA promoting FYE, and PDs not liking the song?

  98. And as mentioned above 4 million views of a video is a hell of a lot

    It’s not a lot in the AI bubble, where fans learned very well from the Claymates.

  99. And why didn’t people buy SBL? Since the VEVO video of SBL now has over 4 million views, people have watched the video,

    Obviously, 4 million people didn’t view the video. Idol fan sites are famous for hard core fans who spend hours voting on polls, getting views numbers up, etc. I know other fans do it but Idol fans are masters. All that vote spamming during Idol gives them lots of practice.

  100. David Cook has a new background picture on his twitter now. It’s probably from his last photo shoot that he tweeted about a while back. Is it in preparation for a new single roll-out?

    http://bit.ly/9ECY28

  101. David Cook has a new background picture on his twitter now.

    I like the composition of this photograph…and Cook looks great: slim, trim and fit. Maybe all this “free” time has allowed him to hit the gym on a regular basis.

  102. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry…SuBo on Glee???

    ‘Glee’ Exclusive: Susan Boyle to play the McKinley High lunch lady?

    Cry, smeggs, definetly cry….

    Melinda looks great-her eyes are so pretty! :)

    I FLOVE FYE, and I always will. period -JMO

    All the Target addicts have probably noticed the large red CD racks right next to the checkout lanes filled with nothing but new Taylor Swift CDs,

    Yup, just got back from Target actually. OK, so I looked for Adam (sorry didnt have time to find kris :( ) and they DIDNT have FYE, but they had TAKE ONE-WTF? UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    I hope Adam has a good vacation day in Hawaii :)

    So, anyway, about Speak Now–
    OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
    LIKE SRSLY U NEED 2 BUY IT NOW. LIKE, LEGIT NOW. LIKE GO BUY ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT IT IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FRIGGIN GOOD I THINK ITS THE 2nd BEST ALBUM IN HISTORYYYYY AFTER FYE :D

    SRSLY SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO F&*KING UNBeLIEvABLY AMAZINGGGGGGGGGG

    like EVERY song of that album has a play count of AT LEAST 150 in my itunes…I’ve been OBSESSING over this album since Mine came out!!!!

    There are sooooo catchy, and if you dont like her fairy tale stuff (i do but ymmv) these are much more realistic-plus its fun to figure out who she’s singing about like in dear john haha
    Back to December legit makes me cry–taylor and taylor r so perfect 4 each other–:) “The way you held me that September night, the first time you ever saw me cry”

    haha sorry for the OT post mj-feel free to delete if u want :)
    BUT SRSLY PPLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ BUY SPEAK NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW :D

    /rant end

  103. Cry, smeggs, definetly cry….

    Luv.. you are my bell weather for all things Glee. :)

  104. In any case — WWFM was definitely released as a single on radio and on sale before the AMA’s, and before the album release.

    What does this have to do with RCA promoting FYE, and PDs not liking the song?

    The premise put forward was that FYE failed because of the AMAs and that on the night of 11/22/09 that FYE was promoted as Adam’s new single. My point was that on 11/18/10 Adam has two announced singles — both being played on the radio — so it is impossible that they switch to WWFM because of the AMA’s.

    Regarding FYE not being a radio hit in the US — I posted and believe that there are many factors that affect FYE’s radio airplay. It is a glam-rock retro song that is unlike anything on US radio, by a new artist who was the first openly gay American major label artist, and it was explicitly about S&M. Considering those factors — it is a miracle it got any adds in the US.

    But there is no evidence that RCA invested much in Radio promotion on this single. Adam only make one Radio promo appearance for FYE on Ryan’s show. It costs $300K to $1 million to promote a song on US Pop radio. I just do not believe RCA invested much to promote FYE to radio. They did invest in WWFM and IIHY.

    Yes, they used FYE to promote Adam and to promote album sales. But the question was about radio airplay.

    It’s not a lot in the AI bubble, where fans learned very well from the Claymates.

    VEVO counts unique views — you can’t spam it (same as YT). YouTube does not reveal the exact algorithm they use to determine view counts, the information would be very useful for spammers and publishers of software that artificially inflate view counts. What is known is that you cannot easily inflate a YT count and bots are detected somehow. So while it is clear that Idol fans know how to vote and spam. Over 4 million people have watched that video.

    And there are over 1 million views in other places.

  105. SRSLY SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO F&*KING UNBeLIEvABLY AMAZINGGGGGGGGGG

    This is where individual taste plays a huge role, I hate every song on TS new album. I’ve liked some of her other stuff, but this one just realllllly bored me. Go figure..lol

  106. David Cook has a new background picture on his twitter now.

    like it a lot. exciting!!! he looks good and that is very him… goofy self that wants to punch his own face.. love it…

  107. The huge success of Taylor Swift and the soon to be big hit from SuBo (based on her presale #’s)just has me mystified.

    Taylor’s new album is OK but it is not the best album of the year. And SuBo is — well — SuBo.

    But sales do not always = quality music.

    And I am braced for Ke$ha so have another string of singles but at least you can dance to her music.

  108. Q3
    you are wrong you can totally dance to SuBo…its called the Running Man….See that man running out of the room when I put Wild Horses on…hehe ;)

  109. djafan, just curious, which ones did you like?
    I used to HATE all of her music haha :p

    Haha OMA, I forgot about the 10-day break b4 Europe…have a nice vacay BB!!! :D

    lol koshka, what does bell weather mean? haha sorry im dumb :p

  110. Holy jeebus that new DC pic *slurp*

    Tess he’s been working with a trainer on a regular basis for a while now :) best thing he’s done! He really has been looking good.

  111. Why would people buy the video if they could just watch it for free on Vevo? People, use vevo and youtube to not have to buy videos and music. I know I do. I know I’m not the only one.

  112. And radio is still the way to sell music unless you are like BTR and have a tv show dedicated to your music. Where you have your videos playing 24/7. Being on the endcap at Walmart, some newspapers reviewing your album, and being on R&K and Wendy Williams ain’t going to cover that. Those things certainly aren’t enough to let people know that David has an album out.

  113. Kris:
    10/28/2010 at 7:05 pm

    Why would people buy the video if they could just watch it for free on Vevo? People, use vevo and youtube to not have to buy videos and music. I know I do. I know I’m not the only one.

    And Sony is happy because of the Ad revenue.

    The ads are based on total views — much higher than the view count. So it can add up. For Gaga might pay for one of her dresses!

  114. Thanks for that new picture of Cookie. Interesting composition. Oh and he’s looking foine.

  115. Labels will change i single if reviews of a release (which is often available for preview before the actual release)are less than stellar. Danny’s first single was announced (It’s only Love?) and then shortly later it was changed to MBD. Am I right ?

  116. The problem with using Kelly and Breakaway as a measure of success is to look at the sales of her next two albums. Neither one hit the million mark, which points to people buying the music not the artist. If we take BA out of the mix then her albums were following the approx path of all of the other AI contestants, whereas they never saw the success of their first album again.

  117. David Cook has a new background picture on his twitter now. It’s probably from his last photo shoot that he tweeted about a while back. Is it in preparation for a new single roll-out?

    http://bit.ly/9ECY28

    I love this new David Cook picture!!! very awesome.

    you are wrong you can totally dance to SuBo…its called the Running Man….See that man running out of the room when I put Wild Horses on…hehe

    hahahahahaha see everybody run out of the room….. hahahahaha :lol:

  118. The ads are based on total views — much higher than the view count.

    According to the website, the view count is based on total views, not unique views. Unless everyone in the US has watched Beiber videos, I think that makes sense. LOL

    I love this new David Cook picture!!! very awesome.

    I think that picture is pretty awesome. :D

  119. Tess:
    10/28/2010 at 6:22 pm
    I like the composition of this photograph…and Cook looks great: slim, trim and fit. Maybe all this “free” time has allowed him to hit the gym on a regular basis.

    He’s been working with a trainer since early in the year, when he got off the last tour. He has said that it is at least in part to build his stamina for the next tour.

  120. Before the album was out, David spoke about incorporating R&B and Latin influlences into his next album. I would have loved to have heard those songs — to hear at least something new on the album.

    I think you are confusing David with Danny Gokey. David said from the outset that this cd would be a more mature pop album and he would like to make a Latin album at some point in the future.

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