Idol Headlines for 07/30/09

American Idols improve on tour, but the `As’ — Adam and Allison — have it all

American Idol is easy to champion on TV. Yet its contestants are, all too often, just as easy to forget before the inevitable summer tour of the Top 10 finalists comes around just a couple months after a winner is crowned in May. (Michael Sarver, you were on Idol this season? Who knew?)

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The formula was upset a bit in its eighth season — a year forever to be known as Adam’s World.

Miami Herald

Adam, Kris lead a surprisingly solid ‘Idols Live’ 

Those reviews had a point: Theater vet, certified rock screamer and sensitive songsmith Lambert created a electrified, leather-bound, sexually-charged chemistry that none of the other Idols could match. The thing is, that doesn’t make the others, particularly impressive, smokey-voiced rock pixie Iraheta, acoustic, chill Allen and surprisingly satisfying former piano bar employee Matt Giraud, bad. They’re just different performers. Don’t get me wrong – if you’re most riveted by a big, big rock voice with flashy costume and sizzling slinkiness to match, Adam is your guy – he navigated easily between the flames of ‘Whole Lotta Love, ‘  the moody poignance of ‘Mad World’  and a punchy David Bowie medley, including a ‘Life On Mars’  that gave me chills.

But what if you’re tastes run, say, more to the quietly brilliant acoustic (as mine admittedly do?) Then Kris Allen’s set, if curiously low-speed considering that the energy of Adam, might be more your cup of tea.

pbpulse

Daughtry Ready To Rock Arenas

Even as it preps for a 14-date run of clubs and theaters next month, Daughtry is eyeballing a headlining tour of arenas in the fall.

“We don’t want to get too over-zealous, ” frontman Chris Daughtry tells Billboard.com. “We’re not gonna be doing the Staples Center (in Los Angeles) right out the gate, obviously. We’ll be doing some small- and medium-sized arenas. We haven’t got the confirmed schedule up yet; we’re still working on that. But it’ll be a big rock show for sure.”

Billboard

More Idol Headlines after the JUMP…

Billy Masters

Sometimes intriguing casting happens behind the scenes. For instance, getting chosen to sing a song in a film can be quite a coup. And we can tell you exclusively that Adam Lambert has signed such a deal. Roland Emmerich has produced and directed such blockbusters as Independence Day and Godzilla. His latest project, 2012, is due out Nov. 13 and is one of those star-studded end-of-the-world flicks’”with a Mayan or two thrown in for good measure. Lambert just went into the studio to record a track for the flick’”and Emmerich was impressed enough to consider using it for the closing credits. Bravo!

Windy City Media Group

American Idol’ finalist Anoop Desai enjoys the celebrity merry-go-round

It was a busy afternoon for season eight “American Idol” finalist Anoop Desai when we caught up with him on the phone during media day in Los Angeles the other week.

The 22-year-old North Carolina native had been chatting away with the elite of the Hollywood news world: MTV, E! Entertainment and Access Hollywood, to name a few. Curtain call for him and the nine other Idol finalists at the Staples Center was just a few hours away. From Desai’s perspective, the L.A. show could be the one to help land him a record deal. Big-time record agents could have been in the crowd.

Victoria Advocate

Desai loving the ‘Idol’ road, but he’ll be in home state this week

A year ago, Anoop Desai was a graduate student at the same school where he had gone to college, in the same town where he had graduated high school.

It’s a school and a place he loves.

But the American Idol semi-finalist from Chapel Hill is not ready to come home yet.

Desai, 22, is traveling the country this summer, singing his way from Portland, Ore., to Manchester, N.H.,

as part of the American Idols Live! Tour with the other top 10 contestants from the show’s eighth season, which wrapped up earlier this year.

Winston-Salem Journal

Jacksonville’s ‘Idol’ comes home

The ‘American Idols Live 2009’  tour was making a stop at the Verizon Arena in North Little Rock on Saturday night.
Kris Allen, the newest American Idol, was headlining the tour. The former Jacksonville resident, who played Little League baseball there and was a substitute teacher in Cabot, would soon be getting ready for the show Saturday.

It was four hours before show time.

Stopping by a media room, Allen sat down with a Leader reporter to talk about the tour and his newfound celebrity.

‘How does it feel to be back home?’  he was asked.

Arkansas Leader

‘American Idols Live’  Interviews: Danny Gokey

DANNY GOKEY: (Who, given some bloggers’ perception that he was arrogant, was fairly down to earth and humble. You never know. I don’t even know, as I spent a pleasant five minutes in his presence. But he seemed pretty nice to me, and I was one of those who was sick of him being pimped. Talented kid, though.)

pbpulse.com

‘American Idols Live’  Interviews: Scott and Matt

The interview hour that takes place every year before the ‘American Idols Live’  show at BankAtlantic Center is a mixed bag – you’re never sure which of that year’s Top Ten you’re going to be able to talk to, and which of those are going to be good interviews.

pbpulse.com

Scott MacIntyre: Backstage At L.A.’s Staples Center

American Idol fans may be eagerly awaiting the fall releases of the debut albums by Kris Allen, Adam Lambert, and Allison Iraheta, but there’s another season 8 contestant who’s been quietly and quickly working on his own new album since he left the show earlier this year: eighth-placer Scott MacIntyre.

Judging from my recent chat with Scott backstage in L.A., at the Staples Center before the big Idols Live concert on July 16, he’s pretty excited about his new, self-recorded project. And judging from his surprisingly solid performance at the concert later than night–doing two piano-pop songs, Keane’s “Bend And Break” and Vanessa Carlton’s “1, 000 Miles, ” both of which were perfectly suited for his troubadour style–the album might be worth putting on your Idol shopping list, too, along with Kradison’s records.

Yahoo.com

On the inner dynamics of ‘American Idol’

Can “American Idol” continue to thrive if Paula Abdul leaves?

Yes. I’m not lobbying to get rid of her, but yes, it certainly can. And this is actually an opportunity for the producers to give the show an added boost.

It’s not suffering now, but like all shows over time, it’s going to. And replacing a well-known cast member is a proven way to reinvigorate a program that’s perhaps getting a bit too familiar with viewers.

MediaLife

Driver to Fight Idol Hit-and-Run Charges

Daniel Bark, the 23-year-old accused of striking and killing American Idol contestant Alexis Cohen while allegedly fleeing police, is mounting a vigorous defense, his attorney tells PEOPLE.

“There will be a not guilty plea entered across the board for all of the complaints, ” says Freehold, N.J.-based lawyer Daniel Glassman, noting that no one has come forward as a witness to the hit-and-run.

People

Foxx tells ‘Idol’ contestants ‘the real deal’ about future

“But to see how talented these guys were and the girl was, I said, ‘I gotta tell you the real deal.’ I said, ‘Listen, after this show is over, it’s gonna be tough because people are gonna forget about the contestants, ‘” he says. “They didn’t film this, but I said, ‘That’s when the real work is going to kick in, because us as a society, we look at that show and then once we finish, it’s on to the next contestants.’ So I said, ‘I hope that you guys get great, real songs, and not the songs that sort of cater to the masses.’

“I said, ‘Think about this: In New York, there’s a restaurant that tries to serve the food to the masses, and the food is bland because they don’t want to offend any of the tourists that’s coming. That establishment will change names every other year. But that Italian restaurant around the corner with two chairs or whatever and the guy’s from Sicily and he cooks with the spices – people will always go there. ‘‚.’‚.’‚.’‚That’s the way you should look at your music.”‚”

JSOnline

David Cook’s Golfing Idyll

“I shot a 51 or 52 today, which sadly enough is actually decent for me, ” Cook told us after wrapping up a game with Rob Cavallo, his producer, and Raine Maida of Our Lady Peace, his musical hero and songwriting partner. Despite a few tossed clubs, Cook had a fairly good humor about merely playing par while the cameras rolled. But leave a light on for him’”he’s a very determined loser. “Hopefully I’ll get better. I’ve got to try to catch up with Rob and Raine. They annihilated me today.”

Yahoo.com

David Cook is an ‘accidental Idol’

David Cook has been referred to as an ‘accidental’  ‘American Idol’  because he never intended to audition for the show when he tagged along to lend brotherly support.

Coaxed into auditioning as well, the Missouri rocker was the winner of ‘Idol’s’  seventh season, claiming 55 million votes. A week after ‘Idol’  finished in May 2008, Cook had 11 of his songs enter Billboard’s Hot 100, the first being his single, ‘The Time of My Life.’ 

Norwich Bulletin

True Colors Cabaret to Feature Janney, Block, Hilty, Creel and Lauper

Grammy-winner Cyndi Lauper will host the concerts that are set to feature Tony nominee Allison Janney and her 9 to 5 costars Stephanie J. Block and Megan Hilty, as well as “American Idol” finalist Melinda Doolittle (Sept. 28); while the following concert will feature a performance from Hair Tony nominee Gavin Creel and special guests to be
announced.

Playbill.com

Are you a Bo “Peep?”

Bo Bice, runner up of American Idol Season 4 performed at Rams Head in Annapolis on July 28. This was his second appearance at this venue. The fans that follow him are known as Bo Peeps and that is who filled the whole front section of the stage. Most of them came from out of state – and not just neighboring states. These fans travel by plane from all over just to see Bo perform. One fan from Florida bought Bo the shirt he is wearing in this picture. There were many carrying gift bags to give him as well.

Examiner.com

‘So You Think You Can Dance’ recap: Six and Twisted

On paper, trying to judge tonight’s episode of So You Think You Can Dance would be kind of like asking an Olympic official to give scores in a competition that involved a diver, a gymnast, a figure skater, and a synchronized swimmer. (Whoa. In the absence of your regularly scheduled SYTYCD recapper Adam B. Vary, welcome to my gay fever dream!) Seriously, though, while all four of those events can be judged based on technical execution and difficulty, as well as artistic interpretation, their inherent differences make comparisons downright treacherous. And in that same vein, how do you stack up a goofy Broadway routine and the dreaded quick-step against an emotionally rich contemporary dance and a crowd-pleasing disco boogie?

EW.com

‘So You Think You Can Dance’: A Look Behind the Scenes

LOS ANGELES – The pressure is on as “So You Think You Can Dance” comes to a close. Contestants say they are having the time of their lives, but they do admit to being a little nervous. Hoping to dazzle millions with their super-powered feat, host Cat Deeley is already nervous for those trying to become America’s next dance sensation. As final preparation are in full swing minutes before the hit show. “They’re under tremendous pressure. I mean it’s getting down to the final four isn’t it? It’s getting to the light at the end of the tunnel, the pot of gold is sitting there right in front of them, ” says judge, Mary Murphy.

FOX13Now

‘So You Think You Can Dance’: And then there were six

Allow me to be crabby (or crabbier than usual) for an evening. I’ve struggled to find the same emotional connection to “So You Think You Can Dance” this season that I had with last season, when I was rooting for so many dancers: Twitch Boss, Joshua Allen, Katee Shean, Gev Manoukian, Mark Kanemura, Chelsie Hightower — I loved them all. This season, though, I’ve hard a hard time connecting with any of the dancers. Last week I threw my lot in with Janette and Jason, and I turn my back and they’re eliminated? Maybe it’s just not my season. Then again, even Nigel Lythgoe noted that nobody’s really popped so far.

LA Times

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  1. I love this quote from the Jamie Foxx article:

    “I said, ‘Think about this: In New York, there’s a restaurant that tries to serve the food to the masses, and the food is bland because they don’t want to offend any of the tourists that’s coming. That establishment will change names every other year. But that Italian restaurant around the corner with two chairs or whatever and the guy’s from Sicily and he cooks with the spices – people will always go there. ‘‚.’‚.’‚.’‚That’s the way you should look at your music.”‚”

    I hope they were all listening. Especially Allison.

    The Idol PTB need to make this their mission statement.

  2. From the article on David Cook in the Norwich Bulletin:

    Although he remains neutral on his famous ‘Idol’  win ‘” ‘I think it’s different for everybody; if it works for you, it works for you, I guess’  ‘” you get the strong feeling this ‘Idol’  would have kept rocking without the spotlight.

    I love that the reporter picked that up about David because that is so true. He never trys to distance himself from Idol. He embraces it for what it is and he keeps on making good music and winning fans that are not Idol fans. Good article.

  3. From Desai’s perspective, the L.A. show could be the one to help land him a record deal. Big-time record agents could have been in the crowd.

    … Desai is still down-to-earth about his newfound fame. He sees the tour as a stepping stone to bigger dreams, like becoming a Top 100 R&B/pop singer.

    I don’t know how much is Anoop’s own words and how much is the reporter’s interpretation. It just seems to me Anoop is over optimistic about his music future….

  4. That article by Jamie Foxx is just so funny to me. “So I said, ‘I hope that you guys get great, real songs, and not the songs that sort of cater to the masses.'” Oh really Jamie? Can I blame the lack of self-awareness on the a-l-c-o-h-o-l? Or just the raging ego.

  5. I don’t know how much is Anoop’s own words and how much is the reporter’s interpretation. It just seems to me Anoop is over optimistic about his music future’ ¦.

    Heh. I think that the review that likened Anoop to Brian McKnight was dead on. The problem is I don’t see the R&B market needing another Brian McKnight right now. I really like Anoop, but I think he needs to look for other ways to sustain an entertainment career.

    That article by Jamie Foxx is just so funny to me. ‘So I said, ‘I hope that you guys get great, real songs, and not the songs that sort of cater to the masses.”  Oh really Jamie? Can I blame the lack of self-awareness on the a-l-c-o-h-o-l? Or just the raging ego.

    Well say what you want about “Blame It”, it ain’t bland. Just as many people hate it as love it. Same with the Black Eyed Peas and “Boom Boom Pow”, Lady Gaga’s whole album, etc. I think that’s what he was trying to say. Don’t aim to be safe and flavorless, aim to get strong songs that make a statement.

    But he is an egomaniac. LOL

  6. It’s such an odd coincidence that both David Cook and Kris Allen when to the Idol auditions with brothers who wanted to be on the show, both got on the show, and both won.

    Perhaps all the guys showing up for Idol auditions with Lambert dos and eyeliner, or plaid shirts and guitars, should bring along their brothers instead?

    Regarding the Miami Herald Review: I agree, the “A’s” have it all – Adam, Allison and Allen. I guess Howard still hasn’t recovered from the vote outcome. Someone should tell him it’s time to move on!!

    PBPost Review: After some of the things Leslie Streeter wrote about Adam and Kris in the past, this is an astonishingly good review for Adam. (If you like that knid of performer.)

  7. Oooh, the Billy Masters news is so exciting. I really hope this pans out for Adam. A song featured over the end credits of a blockbuster movie can be such a coup.

    Does Mr. Masters have a good track record with scoops/leaks ?

  8. From the Miami Herald review:

    Of course, we mean Adam Lambert, 27, he of the rubbery pelvis, mascara and polarizing multi octave range and classic rock god moves that all combined in a perfect pop storm to land him on the covers of Rolling Stone and Entertainment Weekly even before Idol crowned the safer, Disney-approved Kris Allen its winner.

    Um no, the Rolling Stone cover was after Kris was crowned.

    Allison and Adam also reprised their Foghat Slow Ride cover after his set. . .

    Um no, it was during his set.

    Megan Joy, who took to cawing like a bird on TV when things went awry, was close to tolerable on her Corrine Bailey Rae and Amy Winehouse covers, even though it’s a truism that if a Paris Hilton doll with a head cold could sing it would sound like Megan.

    “Close to tolerable” — Hey, Megan finally got a good review!

  9. Ton of backstage photos from Little Rock and Memphis taken by Kris’ brother Daniel. Of basically all the Idols (not just Kris).

    I especially love the ones of Kris with the little kids and of Kris’ mom talking with Adam (she looks like she’s giving him motherly advice and worrying about him…awww)

    And I’d like to add that Kris seems to know like 7 gajillon people, based on these photos…

    http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_ai/1463083.html?page=2#comments

  10. Nice to hear that Daughtry will be amping up the production of their bigger Fall tour. Bring on the pyros lol. It should be interesting who their opening act will be.

  11. He embraces it for what it is and he keeps on making good music and winning fans that are not Idol fans. Good article.

    Yep and it’s funny because for some reason I pictured him trying to break away from Idol as soon as his run as the winner ended but he really does embrace it. Since he’s called Carrie his greatest mentor I wouldn’t be surprised if that was a piece of advice she gave him. That’s someone who’s never once turned her back on Idol and has always been so grateful.

    I’m going to his show at the Starland Ballroom tonight woo!! So excited! And I can’t wait for Daughtry to hit bigger venues. Tickets are a bitch to get for these club shows.

  12. Sometimes intriguing casting happens behind the scenes. For instance, getting chosen to sing a song in a film can be quite a coup. And we can tell you exclusively that Adam Lambert has signed such a deal. Roland Emmerich has produced and directed such blockbusters as Independence Day and Godzilla. His latest project, 2012, is due out Nov. 13 and is one of those star-studded end-of-the-world flicks’”with a Mayan or two thrown in for good measure. Lambert just went into the studio to record a track for the flick’”and Emmerich was impressed enough to consider using it for the closing credits. Bravo!

    Adam getting the closing credits would be awesome. Will this be Adam’s first single??

  13. I love those pics! LOVE THEM! That baby is too cute, and signing guys’ chests is bizarre, and yet hysterical. Plus: Emo!Adam hair! :) I am beyond excited at the idea of Adam having a song running over the credits. WOW WOW WOW. Please let this pan out! THIS is big.

    It seems that Kris, Adam, Allison, and Matt are getting the best reviews, and I couldn’t be happier. I am SO excited for Matt in particular, who deserves AND BETTER GET a record deal during or after the Tour ends. BTW, Matt tweeted me last night when I poised a question about country music to him in response to his tweet. , It was cool, and then really amusing when several members of Idol tweeted, OMG! You are SO LUCKY HE ANSWERED YOUR TWEET! OMG OMG OMG!!! LOL. Did you know that Matt is the next President Obama? ;-) I guess I’ve become jaded in my old age… :) (But not that jaded, clearly, or I wouldn’t be tweeting the Idols in the first place.)

    ETA: I feel exactly the same way as the reviewer from the LA Times re: SYTYCD. While I have enjoyed this season, aside from Brandon, Jeanine, Jason *sob*, and *sob* *sob* Janette, no one has popped for me, either. S2, 3 and 4 were much more exciting, IMO, than this season. Maybe S6 will be more engrossing for me.

  14. HEADLINES!!! LOL ok, so
    1. I skipped over that first review after I read “adam’s world” don’t really need to waste my time reading another one of those reviews, but the second one was REALLY good. I enjoy reading a review with a bit more courteousy to all of the idols, as well as some form of objectivity. Matt and Allison as the Surprises of the night sounds about right to me as it has been stated a lot during this tour.

    2. I like Anoop, but he does seem to be overly optimistic about his recording future. I just can’t really take him seriously as a viable recording artists, and find it difficult to hear anything new or special about his voice or set.

    3. Why can’t I like Scott? Something about him just rubs me the wrong way…

    *And Matt is so Sweet, LOVE reading and seeing all of his interviews*

  15. From Neon Limelight:

    There are several reasons why we adore David Archuleta. He’s a former American Idol contestant and we are nuts for Idol! He’s always humble and gracious. It’s like the kid doesn’t know he’s awesome. And probably the biggest selling point: he’s talented beyond reason.

    He’s done some pretty epic covers in the past and on a recent concert stop, he added to the list with a cover of Colbie Caillat’s sleeper hit single Bubbly. Perfect song choice for Archie, and his voice? Buttery good!

  16. storm to land him on the covers of Rolling Stone and Entertainment Weekly even before Idol crowned the safer, Disney-approved Kris Allen its winner.

    Um no, the Rolling Stone cover was after Kris was crowned.

    Adam was informed he was given the RS cover during AI but the photo shoot was after AI.

  17. In the PBPost article saying last year David Cook outclassed everyone… How about David Archuleta, Carly Smithson, Michael Johns, to name a few.

  18. Since he’s called Carrie his greatest mentor I wouldn’t be surprised if that was a piece of advice she gave him. That’s someone who’s never once turned her back on Idol and has always been so grateful.

    I’ve been thinking about this in light of the Joey situation and Kelly Clarkson’s public fight with RCA (again, sigh). On one hand, it’s nice that DC has decided to play the “good son” with his label and management, and looks to Carrie’s experience as evidence that it generally pays in terms of promo, etc. to bow to TPTB’s… but I am honestly getting increasingly skeptical about that path for DC. DC always came across to me as a songwriter and musician first and vocalist second, more a band guy than a solo artist, and someone who definitely has strong musical and personal opinions. I know it’s pure speculation, but Joey’s ousting smells like a label decision much more than a DC or band decision, just as his singles have appeared to be very much RCA decisions and not so much David Cook decisions. I think Carrie’s adorable and a sweetheart, but let’s face it, she’s always come off a tad farmbot-ish, so the obedient daughter role she has with Idol fits her perfectly, and she has the massive success to show for it. But in my mind, I’ve always found more similarity between DC and my other favorite Idol, Kelly Clarkson. I’m not saying DC should go so extreme as to follow Kelly’s example and publicly diss his latest single just because RCA forced it on him (let’s face it, DC’s been really diplomatic publicly, but I can read between the lines and know that CBTM was no doubt a label choice where he had no say), BUT, I hope he’s fighting for himself as well. Maybe find a balance midway between absolute compliance with the labels’ choices, and Kelly’s MO (being a pain-in-the-a$$ to them in public). I dunno. I may just be ranting because I’m pissed about Joey’s departure and worried about his next single.

  19. I’m going to his show at the Starland Ballroom tonight woo!! So excited! And I can’t wait for Daughtry to hit bigger venues. Tickets are a bitch to get for these club shows.

    They were free with a CD purchase from DO.

  20. How in the world do you find three guys with washboard abs all together in the same room…wow. And….ones that want Adam’s signature on their chest. Loved it!

  21. yeahyeahsure
    Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:08 am
    Nice to hear that Daughtry will be amping up the production of their bigger Fall tour. Bring on the pyros lol. It should be interesting who their opening act will be.

    What is nice about Chris, is that he is still just such a guy next door type, even after selling 5 million albums. I have to check his tweeter page a couple of times a day. He is one of my favorite tweeters.

    Maybe it’s a good sign for Kris Allen, that Chris Daughtry has done just fine, without winning the love of the Miami Herald’s Howard Cohen.

  22. In the PBPost article saying last year David Cook outclassed everyone’ ¦ How about David Archuleta, Carly Smithson, Michael Johns, to name a few.

    They were there, Cook simply outclassed them. LOL j/k.

    I do find it odd that anyone would make that statement to distinguish this year from last, with the latter being the year of one superstar and a lot of also-rans, particularly when so many reviews have made that observation about this year. (Not saying it’s true, but it is a common impression apparently.) I do remember many comments last year about how the talent gap was quite wide between the Top 2 and the rest though. And the talent this year does seem to go deeper into the pack.

  23. In the PBPost article saying last year David Cook outclassed everyone’ ¦ How about David Archuleta, Carly Smithson, Michael Johns, to name a few.

    I had the same question when reading it. If the talents last year are so apart and so many of the other finalists got signed and had records out now in the market, I think Danny and Matt really have a bet on being signed. Maybe even Anoop and Megan.

  24. In the PBPost article saying last year David Cook outclassed everyone’ ¦ How about David Archuleta, Carly Smithson, Michael Johns, to name a few.

    Eh. Its just that one reviewer’s opinion. Nobody cares IMO.

  25. Well say what you want about ‘Blame It’ , it ain’t bland. Just as many people hate it as love it

    Well we’ll have to agree to disagree, I do think it’s very bland, very sound alike to other stuff out there. And people can hate bland all the time, I think the Carpenters were pretty bland and they certainly had their fair share of haters.

    But hey, we agree Jamie Foxx seems like a raging egomaniac.

    Um no, the Rolling Stone cover was after Kris was crowned. Have newspapers really gotten rid of copy editors and fact checkers?

    Unfortunately, yes. And yeah, of course mistakes happen to us all, so having an editor or ability to edit afterwards, is very helpful. The other Sunrise reviewer made some mistakes and omissions as well. Which some of her readers pointed out and evidently she read and was able to correct them. Too bad no one pointed out that it’s Megan Joy because she divorced her husband, and that her last name used to be spelled Corkery, not Corkrey as this person has it.

  26. How in the world do you find three guys with washboard abs all together in the same room’ ¦wow. And’ ¦.ones that want Adam’s signature on their chest. Loved it!

    They’re all cheerleaders — friends of Daniel who is also a cheerleader. I wonder why he didn’t take off his shirt. Daniel and Adam look nothing alike (IMO).

  27. just a heads up…adam is no longer scheduled to appear on the view next week.

    at least we still have good morning america to look foward to next friday with kris, adam and cook.

  28. just a heads up’ ¦adam is no longer scheduled to appear on the view next week.

    :clap_tb:

    Will Kris be on Ellen soon?

  29. Will Kris be on Ellen soon?

    Ellen is on her summer break and Kris has already been on Ellen. :D

  30. HEY EVERYONE! New update on Adam’s stalker. Its getting pretty serious.. click here to read.

    From http://twitter.com/FritoSmuggler:

    I stood outside the arena-hot,sweaty,and bothered(oh my!)-only to discover that Adam could not make an appearance for “security reasons”. I am just now hearing on the local news that a “stalker-like”, rather deranged fan has been showing up to the shows, and Adam’s spooked.

    I got more than 20 messages regarding this topic, so I’ll answer universally: it was Channel 7 news here in Florida, but I’ll tweet the details right now. Okie doke – apparentally, a cult of anti-Adam activists were spotted at the Tampa concert, among whom was a suspicious girl lurking around the tour buses. Adam recognized this woman and reported that she has been following him since early morning. She was armed/dangerous/ overly suspicious, so Adam wasn’t allowed to sign autographs yesterday or tonight for – like I said – “security reasons”.

    OMFG guys. Rather “deranged” fan. I just need to know that she isn’t going to show up at Atlanta… And a “cult”? omfg. “Armed/dangerous/overly suspicious” too. I’m seriously concerned for Adam, regardless of how much security they have..

  31. just a heads up’ ¦adam is no longer scheduled to appear on the view next week.

    I’m glad he’s not going on that show. Shari and Elisabeth were so against Adam (they are both very religious), that I didn’t want Adam to grace them with his presence.

  32. That last post was a complete copy and paste, I did not write any of it. It came from twitterverse and I don’t know how true it is ….. just sayin.

  33. Why isn’t Michael Sarver responding to the tweets everyone is asking about Adam and his stalker? At least he could say, everything is under control, or that is just a rumor. Something…

  34. Adam is listed on Twitter’s homepage http://twitter.com/

    when you click on his name

    The headline says

    Runner-up on the 2009 season of American Idol. On July 28, it was rumored that he had an armed stalker in Tampa, Florida show up at the American Idol tour.

  35. I had the same question when reading it. If the talents last year are so apart and so many of the other finalists got signed and had records out now in the market, I think Danny and Matt really have a bet on being signed. Maybe even Anoop and Megan.

    Well, most of them can probably somehow someway wangle deals like Michael Johns’ deal or Elliott’s deal. But I really doubt that the ultra-hard-slog-for-tiny-payoff-in-terms-of-fame of an indie is what most of them have in mind right now.

    Danny may not be an example that typifies the rest, but from the way he kind of seems to disparage the Christian music thing, I’d say that he, at least, is thinking big label rather than small, niche one, anyway.

    Maybe they’re prepared for indie being the likely best outcome, but I kind of doubt it. I think they probably feel — and Idol and Idol fans encourage them to feel — that they’ve pretty much hopscotched over that and are ripe for something bigger. By and large, they’re not, though.

    The only one beside David and David who really got that last year was Jason C, and it’s because, whatever his musical deficiencies, he seems to have the mysterious it factor in spades, I think. Being a good musician hardly ever gets you a major-label deal, at least at first, but having the it factor does. Among this year’s group, I don’t know that any of the unsigned ones have that. Megan may come closest, but then she has *such* a long way to go musically that I think that might cancel her it factor out.

  36. Aw, bummer. I really wanted to see Adam on The View…that would have been HYSTERICAL! I am sure Adam will appear on Ellen as soon as they can get their schedules in sync. She wanted him on after Idol concluded, but she was only allowed to have him on the phone, b/c it was the winner got the p.r. window (which I *totally* understood).

    For some reason, Adam never appeared on LKL with Kathy Griffith (pre-taped). First it got bumped by MJ’s death (twice, I think) and then by Walter Conkrite’s death (I think), so now it seems to be a no-go. (Guess it’s outdated now.) I would like to see both Kris AND Adam perform on Conan O’Brien after the Tour concludes. And yes, GMA should be awesome, b/c the Kradam/Cook combination is amazing. Too bad you have to get in line at 6AM (or earlier) in Central Park to to get in. ;-)

    I still don’t understand why people can’t be happy for Kradam’s success and not just for one of them… :(

    ETA: I am worried about Adam’s stalker. I don’t care what Sarver tweeted, as if he would/could tell us the truth. I tweeted him again, tho, as well as FritoSmuggler, who said she just relayed what she heard on the news.

    Oh, and I still think Adam would have been a good guest on The View, tho. He could take on Elisabeth in a heartbeat! :P

  37. RE: the ‘stalking’  incident: My brother works for one of the largest security firms in the country. They are security for many big name stars and professional ball teams. He has told me that security is so tight at these venues there was no way possible for someone to get backstage that didn’t have the right credentials. He also told me that police are ALWAYS onsite and that they do not hesitate to call them. They can DETAIN someone, but cannot arrest them. They have specific procedures for dealing with unruly people and if the police become involved, there is ALWAYS a police report. This makes me think that this is just a twitter rumor trying to get something started. Or is it just a plublicity stunt? Who knows, but if this ‘stalker’  got anywhere near these kids, they need a new security company.

  38. And I’d like to add that Kris seems to know like 7 gajillon people, based on these photos’ ¦

    … and they were all at the concert in Little Rock, apparently.

  39. Does Mr. Masters have a good track record with scoops/leaks ?

    Yes, he’s usually right and a real reporter vs. Perez.

  40. In the PBPost article saying last year David Cook outclassed everyone’ ¦ How about David Archuleta, Carly Smithson, Michael Johns, to name a few.

    Both of the South Florida reviews come from critics (Leslie Streeter and Howard Cohen) who let their personal taste overcome factual reporting. I expect a reviewer to have a point of view, I really want to read someone’s opinion and analysis, but I also want it to accurately reflect reality.

    So far the Tour gets a good review from me, but the reivewers haven’t done as well!

  41. Michael did tweet that him and Adam were fine

    the last twitter from michael stating he and adam were ok was 18 hrs ago matt has since said all contestants fine, i think michael is tired of being adam’s spokesperson

  42. I expect a reviewer to have a point of view, I really want to read someone’s opinion and analysis, but I also want it to accurately reflect reality.

    Huh? Its an opinion, the “reality” of who was better than whom is all subjective. I don’t get that statement.

    I hope that Adam stalker story is not entirely true. That is quite scary. Though I have thought for some time that Idol lets fans have too much unmonitored close interaction with the contestants. Its only a matter of time before something bad happens, IMO.

  43. This makes me think that this is just a twitter rumor trying to get something started.

    I doubt it’s a Twitter rumor. It was tweeted by multiple people at two different shows. Most of the people who tweeted are regulars on AI message boards and not just random fans. I’m sure everyone is fine and things are under control. It just sucks…both for Adam and the fans.

    Both of the South Florida reviews come from critics (Leslie Streeter and Howard Cohen) who let their personal taste overcome factual reporting.

    Personal taste always comes into a review.

    PBPost Review: After some of the things Leslie Streeter wrote about Adam and Kris in the past, this is an astonishingly good review for Adam. (If you like that knid of performer.)

    LOL (at the last part).

  44. It seems that Kris, Adam, Allison, and Matt are getting the best reviews, and I couldn’t be happier. I am SO excited for Matt in particular, who deserves AND BETTER GET a record deal during or after the Tour ends.

    I know! I am so excited for Matt’s future!
    He sure is turning head in every stop. Love these reviews comparing him to an early Billy Joel.

    Matt’s already proved he’s a competent piano man, so his ‘Georgia’  was no surprise. But when he delivered a flawless ‘Hard To Handle’  with effortless flights of phrasing and a crazy, Billy Joel-at-a-rave keys pounding session, it was a revelation. Somebody put this kid on a supporting tour as a solo act, now

    Loved all the above.

    I have a very positive feeling Matt will get signed soon enough. Can’t wait for that day.

  45. But when he delivered a flawless ‘Hard To Handle’  with effortless flights of phrasing and a crazy, Billy Joel-at-a-rave keys pounding session, it was a revelation.

    Matt is waaay more Billy Joel than Justin Timberlake. There’s something throw back about him. Good call.

  46. BUT, I hope he’s fighting for himself as well. Maybe find a balance midway between absolute compliance with the labels’ choices, and Kelly’s MO (being a pain-in-the-a$$ to them in public).

    sma11ie, I can understand your thinking about DC, but I think you can be assured that DC takes a stand on the things that he feels is important. How many American Idol winners have managed to add 2 of their closest friends to their tour band? Or who would have been able to bring on a long time friend as a replacement musician when there was a shake up in the band? I don’t think there’s anything to worry about in regards to DC and his backbone on the really important issues.

    As to single choices, no one knows which single would perform better. What you like for a single, I might think is the worst choice. There’s no tried and true formula. I just think back to the release of Light On and how a lot of posters thought that song didn’t stand a chance on radio, even though I loved it. It turned out to be very successful, and it is very popular on tour. I estimate that it’s only about 15k-20k short of platinum and I hope it makes it there by the end of September. Granted, Come Back To Me is not performing on CHR, but it is currently at #7 on HAC and *20 on AC, so it’s no slouch either.

    As evidenced last night at the concert stop in Alexandria, VA, DC takes a stand when he believes it’s important. (Cases in point: Security and the “no standing” rule, band member choices, replacements, song choices, etc.) I leave the business aspects of David’s career to David and his management, while I just keep enjoying the music…. and the pretty of course. :devil_tb:

  47. YEAH THAT”S ANOTHER THING: Michael may be getting tired of being ADAM”S spokeperson but WTF? with all the technology today why don’t they have ADAM’s accounts fixed already?

  48. If the stalker story is true, there’s definitely someone get arrested. There will be a record.

    I don’t know if I can trust rumors started at twitter or fansites. Maybe some fans make things up just to explain why Adam doesn’t go out to meet fans any more.

    It’s actually ok. Cook, last year’s winner, didn’t come out to meet fans after show either. He still came before the show I think.

  49. According to KrisAllenNation, Kris is scheduled to be on Ellen again on August 5th

  50. According to KrisAllenNation, Kris is scheduled to be on Ellen again on August 5th

    It’s a re-run

  51. In response to Cook being a band act, more than a solo act. I think Cook knows he is a good musician and songwriter, but even though he has been very modest about his vocal talent, he knows what versatile vocalist he is and the great appeal his voice has. After all, Analogue Heart was a solo album.

  52. i find it hard to believe adam’s twitter has not been corrected yet- i wonder if he will ever be able/ allowed to twitter again

  53. Also, as for why none of the Idols are tweeting much about what’s going on with Adam’s situation, they have probably been told not to talk about it. We don’t even know how much the other Idols even KNOW about what’s going on with Adam and the “stalker”. So I would doubt any of the otehrs will divulge any info other than the “he’s fine” type of generalities

  54. In response to Cook being a band act, more than a solo act. I think Cook knows he is a good musician and songwriter, but even though he has been very modest about his vocal talent, he knows what versatile vocalist he is and the great appeal his voice has. After all, Analogue Heart was a solo album.

    I think Cook made the mistake of not forming a band aka Daughtry. The rock stations don’t play his songs, nor is pop. Guys in a band get more cred automatically.

  55. I’m glad he’s not going on that show. Shari and Elisabeth were so against Adam (they are both very religious), that I didn’t want Adam to grace them with his presence.

    I never cared for those two.

  56. Yeah I wouldn’t mind seeing another bubble tweet though, that was fun!

  57. If Adam really wanted to use Twitter he could always open a new account (with a better password) and tell everyone to start following him there.

    I am sure that he wants to use his name, as it is listed with his current Twitter account, but there are solutions.

    If the other Idols tweeted out Adam’s new Twitter account, Adam would get all his followers to switch over within days.

    For some reason it hasn’t happened. I don’t think he really wants to use Twitter right now. I don’t blame him.

    “Twitter is the devil!” ~ Kris Allen

  58. DC did form a band but was under the constraints of TPTB as a “solo” act. Daughtry didn’t have those constraints as he was not the winner of AI. DC had been pushed as a solo act until his tour started in February, but let me tell you the guys are a band. David Cook is currently the name that sells but eventually there will be a band name.

  59. I’m not saying DC should go so extreme as to follow Kelly’s example and publicly diss his latest single just because RCA forced it on him (let’s face it, DC’s been really diplomatic publicly, but I can read between the lines and know that CBTM was no doubt a label choice where he had no say), BUT, I hope he’s fighting for himself as well. Maybe find a balance midway between absolute compliance with the labels’ choices, and Kelly’s MO (being a pain-in-the-a$$ to them in public). I dunno.

    I think that DC uses diplomacy to get closer to what he wants. He did co-wrote most of the album tracks, and he got to have two of his friends as band members. In the end, the label has the upper-hand, and antagonizing them is the best way to ruin a career if you can’t break out of the contract. The only way is negotiation, and I believe that DC being articulate and charming is good at it.

  60. DC did form a band but was under the constraints of TPTB as a ‘solo’  act. Daughtry didn’t have those constraints as he was not the winner of AI. DC had been pushed as a solo act until his tour started in February, but let me tell you the guys are a band. David Cook is currently the name that sells but eventually there will be a band name.

    RCA signed Cook, not his band. The band members are replacable as we’ve already seen. Not different from Kelly’s band, or Archie’s band who are accompanying them on tour. Unless Cook is rid of his contract soon, I don’t see how they are going to be a band act.

  61. Exactly kw. I don’t think it would have been possible for him to do the Daughtry thing because he won. There’s no way RCA or 19 would have allowed him to be marketed as an actual band and not a solo artist coming off his Idol win. I’d also chalk up the lack of rock radio the same issue, he’s an American Idol winner. Daughtry going out at 4th place allowed him a lot of room to get away from the AI label.

  62. I wouldn’t be surprised if David Cook was rebranded as a band for the next album… something like David Cook and the _______.

  63. Maybe the point re: lack of Sarver twitters and not having Adam’s up yet is that it’s a security risk to have all of the followers know where they will be and what they will be doing every minute. I don’t think it’s Michael’s place to be sending out responses to security rumors. Perhaps he was admonished by TPTB to tighten up his communication. I think he’s just so open and honest himself that he (Michael) wants to please everyone’s fans.

  64. girlygirl
    According to KrisAllenNation, Kris is scheduled to be on Ellen again on August 5th

    lulwut
    Jul 30th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
    It’s a re-run

    Oh good. I missed it the first time. I am sure lots of people watch, or they wouldn’t use re-runs, so it’s all good, IMO.

  65. MJ – Don’t know where to put this- so will understand if you need to move or delete but, thought the east coast idol fans might be interested.

    http://www.fresh1027.com/pages/4801554.php
    New York radio station has a free concert planned for August 25th with Michael Johns, Brooke White and Elliott. Found the info on michaeljohnsonline.com.

  66. relyec Jul 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm Edit

    HEY EVERYONE! New update on Adam’s stalker. Its getting pretty serious.. click here to read.

    From http://twitter.com/FritoSmuggler:

    Hi relyec, I believe you are a newbie? This rumor from “frito smuggler” has been posted already 3 or 4 times. In fact, you posted the exact same thing in two threads.

    A reminder:

    Please don’t spam these threads with duplicate information. If you’ve got something, pick the most appropriate thread and post it.

    There’s already a convo going on in the concert thread about the stalker rumors. So I suggest we keep this thread reserved for the latest headlines, please.

  67. just a heads up’ ¦adam is no longer scheduled to appear on the view next week.

    I wonder why he’s not going to be on — hopefully just a last minute schedule change.

    They have Regis Philbin scheduled now – not excactly a substitute but maybe he’s on to talk about what it was like meeting Adam and interviewing Adam.

    On top of all the “security” stuff, Adam also has two unofficial releases due out in early August: the Hi-Fi/Whilshire Records album and plus that pre-Idol dance single.

  68. Idol Tweets…

    Considering that it took me 2 seconds to figure out where the idols were staying after seeing Danny’s pedicure tweet while in Arizona I think it is time for the Idols to turn their Tweets off. Over sharing is OK if it only involves the tweeter but to do or say stuff that involves other idols is only leading to trouble. I am sure that in Tampa it was also easy to figure out where the idols were staying based on the Tweets.

    Also tweets can be so deceiving and untrue….I mean Ashton Kutcher (the twitter king) tweeted a picture of Demi with a shaved head and mohawk. And thousands of readers fell for it hook, line, and sinker. It’s just too damn easy to put all this crap out there and the gullible will gravitate towards it and pass it on like they are trying to save the world.

    Gossip sites are bad enough (Perez, anyone) but now we have millions of little Perezs trying to get their 100 some odd characters of fame.

  69. If Adam has a real stalker, as in the dangerous kind you need to get a restraining order against, the first piece of advice that any law enforcement official will give him is to not engage the stalker in any way. Stalker’s feed off of attention. And, any attention given them is twisted in their minds to enhance the imaginary relationship they have with their object.

    So, Adam is not going to respond in any way to questions asked by fans or anyone else. He’s not going to address the rumors even if asked by the press.

    The first line of defense for any stalking victim is to cut off any communication whatsoever with the stalker or about the stalker that the stalker may run across.

    So, if there is a real stalker, and if the situation is being addressed, then the people who are in charge of handling have most likely given Adam and everyone around him the order to cease and disist all discussion of the stalker. If those people on tour with him are truly his friends, they’ll heed that advice and not respond to any of the tweets.

    If the stalker does in fact exist, she’s probably in a feeding frenzy right now with all of the internet attention she’s getting. Continuing to talk about it is not helping Adam’s situation at all. If the story is true, no one is going to find out anything until or if an arrest is made anyway.

  70. just a heads up’ ¦adam is no longer scheduled to appear on the view next week.

    Bummer :sad_tb:

  71. sma11ie, I can understand your thinking about DC, but I think you can be assured that DC takes a stand on the things that he feels is important. How many American Idol winners have managed to add 2 of their closest friends to their tour band? Or who would have been able to bring on a long time friend as a replacement musician when there was a shake up in the band? I don’t think there’s anything to worry about in regards to DC and his backbone on the really important issues.

    I guess a big part of me still agrees with all that, but I think I’m just reeling from the loss of Joey, which has led me to think that I may have previously over-estimated the degree of control DC really has on things like that. All along, I’ve been painting this pretty portrait where DC had struck the perfect balance with his relationship with 19 and RCA– that he was living the life, was in control of the aspects of his career that are most important to him, etc. But I’m just starting to realize that I need to largely let go of that view. I don’t wanna be blindsided if Andy or Neal ever get replaced; whereas before, I was living in a dreamworld where David would never let that happen, I just see more clearly now that bottom line is, if the label wanted to (not saying they do), there’s really nothing anyone can do. That’s all I’m saying, I guess. Yikes, sorry so pessimistic!

  72. RE: Joey leaving DC’s band. We don’t know all the details of him leaving. Maybe it was TPTB. Maybe it was Joey’s decision to leave. We can’t speculate on why he left. I still think DC has some control over his career, but everyone has to realize, when you sign with a major label (this goes for any artist, AI or not) you give up some control. It is just like with any employer. It is a give and take situation and hopefully everyone benefits.

  73. some of the Idols might not be spending time on the internet because the tight schedule and demands (4 concerts in 4 nights in a row just happened)… i bet when the Idols get done probably sleep is what they really are craving. I myself dont even get on the internet when i’ve finished working.. they need a rest or this grueling physical schedule is gonna be a lot for them… especially Adam since he runs around and does aerobics when he sings (just watch him as he raises his hands and claps in the air during Lets Dance,, its very aerobic of him! ;0

  74. I don’t know if I can trust rumors started at twitter or fansites. Maybe some fans make things up just to explain why Adam doesn’t go out to meet fans any more.

    Well it’s been more that according to the Tweets, that security guards were telling some of the fans that it was security issues, and they did so to different people at the two FL shows. And then the whole thing escalated from there, in terms of rumors. I put this more on security guards, than the fans. Who knows if the security guards have been telling the truth? They might have wanted to mess with the fans. At this point if something was going on, doubtful that they will comment on it. But it doesn’t seem like it just fans who needed to make excuses for Adam.

    As for Adam’s hacked electronic accounts, in terms of setting up new ones and or getting his old ones taken back, as far as I know, it shouldn’t be too hard. . My thought about why they haven’t is that they might be trying to track this person down and using the accounts to try and do so.

  75. I wonder why he’s not going to be on ‘” hopefully just a last minute schedule change.

    The view doesn’t have a schedule for next week posted. I think they may be off for the first week in August.
    But, TV Guide still has Adam and Regis listed as guests on next Thursday’s episode.

  76. Nice Matt tweets:

    We just wanna bring an amazing show and continue to surprise the people who may have written some of us off. And we’re ALL having a blast!
    about 3 hours ago from TwitterFon

    It’s great to be in the ATL. I hear good things. And to address all the questions. All of the contestants are doing great. No need to worry!about 3 hours ago from TwitterFon

    @Cacity87 I think I’m gonna come back after the tour is over for vaca. It was great meeting you guys!! I do declare, I have the best fans
    about 12 hours ago from web in reply to Cacity87

    @suebrody1 definitely the Keith Urban type. But there is one particular Hank Williams Jr song I love..”Hey Good Lookin'”
    about 13 hours ago from web in reply to suebrody1

    @BGAmie I’m just excited as you!! ..minus the twitches. We all can’t wait for the ATL.
    about 13 hours ago from web in reply to BGAmie

    Now that I have seen them live, I can actually see Matt as the one with the most Country cross-over potential. Never expected to think that and I am apparently not alone. I love Matt and really like The Fray and Justin Timberlake but Matt really isn’t like either of them. He reminds me more of a 21st century Jerry Lee Lewis or Billy Joel.

  77. Anoop has big dreams and hopes the best for himself. What’s wrong with that?

  78. I just Googled this supposed ‘Channel 7 news’ in Tampa and then searched their web site using several variations of keywords, and there was no mention whatsoever of anything Adam/stalker related, so it sounds like someone’s making something up somewhere.

  79. Well, hm, I’m leaning more to a voluntary and rather unexpected departure by Joey Clement rather than Label involvment.

    And RCA let David bring on his good friend Monty Anderson to fill on bass as he auditions a “permanent, viable” replacement. So I suspect that if the Label did it, there would be a studio musician over a long-time friend/colleague of David’s.

    Btw, Monty worked on Analog Heart and has Tusla ties to David. So maybe there might be more AH songs played on this tour.

    Regardless, David and his band are great. But the only with who has the record and management deal is David. So yeah, it’s David’s gig.

  80. The View is definitely taping the first week in August because a friend of mine has tickets for the taping on the 5th to see the cast of Hair.

  81. I guess a big part of me still agrees with all that, but I think I’m just reeling from the loss of Joey, which has led me to think that I may have previously over-estimated the degree of control DC really has on things like that.

    sma11ie – I’m not sure why you think that this was a result of RCA/19. From everything I’ve read, it seems it was most likely Joey’s (quite sudden) decision to leave. There are a few second-hand accounts out there of Joey being unhappy (why, I don’t know) for awhile. The fact that David was able to replace Joey with someone he knows and has played with before – and not a generic studio musician given to him – also tells me that RCA/19 trusted him in the area of a replacement.

    I’m not exactly reeling from the departure. I really like the band, but am not invested in any of them in any way. But, I think the only way Neal/Andy would ever leave would be because they choose to.

    I think Cook made the mistake of not forming a band aka Daughtry. The rock stations don’t play his songs, nor is pop.

    There are 4 reasons rock radio will not play Cook – 1. rock radio is full of snobs, 2. he is a new artist, 3. he won American Idol, 4. rock radio is full of snobs.

    I have a lot of opinions on the DC band thing, but this post is already too long, heh.

    ETA: Or, everything that Sasha just said – more succinctly and more quickly than me.

  82. Trina
    Jul 30th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
    The View is definitely taping the first week in August because a friend of mine has tickets for the taping on the 5th to see the cast of Hair.

    In that case, TV guide still has Adam listed as a guest on the View along with Regis next Thursday. So I’m a bit confused now.

    Where did the appearance cancellation news come from? Anyone know?

  83. RE: Joey leaving DC’s band. We don’t know all the details of him leaving. Maybe it was TPTB. Maybe it was Joey’s decision to leave. We can’t speculate on why he left.

    This. But as far as TPTB: I really can’t imagine a scenario in which the label would force out a band member smack in the middle of the tour. If RCA didn’t like him, and I don’t see why that would be, then they had a perfect opportunity to reboot during the break. And I don’t see why they would then have Cook bring in an old friend in the interim, if they could have given him a professional session musician.

    I do think RCA has pushed some choices that would not have been Cook’s. But I read this as a personal decision.

  84. The view doesn’t have a schedule for next week posted. I think they may be off for the first week in August.
    But, TV Guide still has Adam and Regis listed as guests on next Thursday’s episode.

    I think the TV Guide is out of date. It was on AdamOfficial but now it’s gone, and Adam was listed on The Late Night TV Lineups but now he’s gone. But all of The View Show listed are new. Kris on Ellen is a rerun.

    http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html

    August 6th is an off day, my guess is that Adam had a schedule conflict.

  85. I just Googled this supposed ‘Channel 7 news’ in Tampa and then searched their web site using several variations of keywords, and there was no mention whatsoever of anything Adam/stalker related, so it sounds like someone’s making something up somewhere.

    There is no Channel 7 news here in Tampa. That’s a Ft. Lauderdale news station that allegedly had a report on the alleged stalker crap. But you are correct in that someone is making this crap up. That news station has no report whatsoever about any of this.

    These alleged security guard tales come from one or two tweeters. Every time it’s re-reported on some new blog, you can still trace it back to the original report of a conversation with a security guard by the original tweeter. These reports have not been confirmed by anyone else. They’ve gained steam only because they’ve been repeated so often.

  86. just a heads up’ ¦adam is no longer scheduled to appear on the view next week.

    I utterly despise that show, so I’m not too disappointed. Especially since I’ll get my Adam; Kris & David fix on GMA next Friday. Yay!

  87. just a heads up’ ¦adam is no longer scheduled to appear on the view next week.

    I utterly despise that show, so I’m not too disappointed. Especially since I’ll get my Adam; Kris & David fix on GMA next Friday. Yay!

    I wonder what songs Adam and Kris will be singing?

    I bet Adam does not know Shari and Elisabeth don’t approve of him, so I’m glad he is not going on that show.

  88. I just Googled this supposed ‘Channel 7 news’ in Tampa and then searhc their web site using several variations of keywords, and there was no mention whatsoever of anything Adam/stalker related, so it sounds like someone’s making something up somwhere.

    Yes, looks like a lot of Tweet-based fantasies. I think we can safely chalk up the Channel 7 story as a rumor or perhaps a lie is a better word for it.

    Setting that aside. With so many reports from people who were clearly at the concert (some who have photos) who are real people not anonomous online personalities of being told there is a security issue concerning Adam. I do believe that something happened/is happening.

  89. Kris Allen is getting mixed reviews some good some not so good .What I read adam and Allison are more positive. Then I just think Kris is eye candyIdon’t think he is great just good at tailoring songs to his voclas.Kris needs a better hook no edge and needs very good songs that fit his vocals to a tea yeah. Label backing and Ai pimping safe bet he will sell ! million. Sorry just don’t dislike or like him just don’t find him interesting or different. I believe if Kris Allen did not look like he does or others did bring it he would not of made it..Ok I admit it he looks funny when he tries to rock it out totally unnatural..JMOP if you think he is the greatest fine thier is no law says i have to agree.

    David Cook is not played at all on the pop stations or very few on the mix stations.I would not of heard about him playing here if not for the web..I guess Dc is bigger else where.

    AmericanIdol as a whole the ratings will always be great the thing that has gone down is the buzz at least locally..

  90. When you have hundred’s of overzealous fans and 1 performer (or should I say 10 performers as all of the kids are involved) of course there is going to be “security” issues. That doesn’t mean there is a “stalker”. The more I read the more I think this is a hoax.

  91. Where did the appearance cancellation news come from? Anyone know?

    There was no cancelation news but the mention of the upcoming appearance was removed from AdamOfficial.com and the sites that track TV appearances.

  92. I utterly despise that show, so I’m not too disappointed. Especially since I’ll get my Adam; Kris & David fix on GMA next Friday. Yay!

    I just want to know what they will sing. David C has plenty of options but I really hope Adam and Kris are singing something new. Anything but Heartless and Mad World, I’ll hear those when I attend the AI concert.

  93. David’s present single is played on HAC, he is currently # 7 on that format. I hear him all the time on my local Seattle HAC station and Sirius the Pulse. His previous two singles are still being played on HAC, AC. Top 40 did not embrace David’s new single.

  94. Sidney appparently you live somewhere other than where I do, because I hear DC all the time on the radio. Go to DCO and see the list of all the stations that play him. They track that kind of thing.

  95. The sane Adam fans don’t want to be associated with the more maniacal of the Glamberts…

  96. I just want to know what they will sing. David C has plenty of options but I really hope Adam and Kris are singing something new. Anything but Heartless and Mad World, I’ll hear those when I attend the AI concert.

    LOL. Sorry, but I think that’s what they’re going to end up performing. They’re basically still promoting the tour and when I hear Kris do a song on a radio station, it’s Heartless. I doubt that Kris is going to perform No Boundaries anymore though so that’s a good thing!

  97. i dont know reliable Vote for the Worst is but i find their stuff pretty interesting to read, including this one:

    http://www.votefortheworst.com/20090729/idiot_adam_lambert_fans_ruin_megan_joys_contest

    (warning: definitely NOT a must-read for Adam fans)

    I read this last night on Rickey’s site – it’s stupid. Yes, it is wrong to pose as a fan just get tickets but to blame one set of fans just because an Adam fan won is idiotic. It was an open contest anyone could have entered.

  98. When you have hundred’s of overzealous fans and 1 performer (or should I say 10 performers as all of the kids are involved) of course there is going to be ‘security’  issues. That doesn’t mean there is a ‘stalker’ . The more I read the more I think this is a hoax

    I hope this is just a hoax so that when the tour moves to cities which are not Adam-centric, Adam may come out for AP or M&G.

  99. MJ – I don’t know if this qualifies as news. Please delete if it shouldn’t be here.

    CAUTION: TOTAL RUMOR AND MAY NOT BE TRUE

    There are a number of credible reports from people associated with the FF Production that … Adam’s version of Mad World, currently being used in the TV and theatrical commercials for ABC’s new series FlashForward, will be used as the theme song for the show.

    Could be people who are confused by the promo use, but this is not coming from twitter or Adam fans. And, it makes sense since they are using it in the current TV promo spots over the show title.

  100. because I hear DC all the time on the radio.

    I hear him *everywhere* around here — at the deli where I had breakfast the other day, at La-Z-Boy when I was spending too much on my couch, at Jerry’s Subs, etc., etc. I know Mix 107.3 plays him quite a bit here in the DC area, and I believe some of the others (92.5, 94.7 but I think only Magic Rainbows, 101.5). No, rock won’t play him and so far not pop either. But then again I don’t listen to 99.5 here (pop station), it makes my ears bleed. I don’t have the fortitude to listen to Boom Boom Pow, then If U Seek Amy, and then whatever other mess they play. I think I’m too old for Top 40’s current iteration (and I *like* hip hop like T. Pain and various other genres, just not the current mix).

    Speaking of David :) , he stepped away from the mic again on “Lie” last night at Birchmere – he had some sing along helpers but it sounded gorgeous anyway. I love that song…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x60HgeQAWO4

    Banter, too, on this one. If you want to go right to the a capella part of Lie — it’s at 3:07.

  101. RE: Joey leaving DC’s band. We don’t know all the details of him leaving. Maybe it was TPTB. Maybe it was Joey’s decision to leave. We can’t speculate on why he left.

    This. But as far as TPTB: I really can’t imagine a scenario in which the label would force out a band member smack in the middle of the tour. If RCA didn’t like him, and I don’t see why that would be, then they had a perfect opportunity to reboot during the break.

    I did mention that I was just speculating. Of course none of us know why Joey’s gone, but all I know is, the whole thing happened really suddenly and my guess is the label may have had something to do with it. That’s a baseless gut feeling, for sure, but regardless of whether it’s true, for me, personally, the situation has helped me re-evaluate my stance on DC’s degree of control/relationship with RCA. Maybe Joey’s departure has naught to do with RCA, but you know when something happens that just makes you see other things in a different light, whether or not that other thing is directly related? It’s like that. But like I said, that’s just for me personally. I’m not saying I think DC has no control, but I just decided I needed to stop overestimating how much control DC has over these things. Others may feel differently.

  102. Q3, I Hope you’re right. That would be so exciting for Adam! :) Between that and 2012…squeee!!!

  103. There are a number of credible reports from people associated with the FF Production that ‘ ¦ Adam’s version of Mad World, currently being used in the TV and theatrical commercials for ABC’s new series FlashForward, will be used as the theme song for the show.

    I hope so. Eerie tv series, eerie song. As much as I’ve loved Adam’s visual, the studio version is beautiful. The show really sounds intriguing — of course I only started watching the promos just to hear Adam, but now I’m getting interested in the show. Only problem is I may jinx it; whenever I get interested in a new series, it gets cancelled.

  104. i dont know reliable Vote for the Worst is but i find their stuff pretty interesting to read, including this one:

    http://www.votefortheworst.com/20090729/idiot_adam_lambert_fans_ruin_megan_joys_contest

    (warning: definitely NOT a must-read for Adam fans)

    I think that VFTW really defines the Worst!

    The article is only partially accurate. It’s right that the winner was an Adam fan. But then it goes too far.

    Sure Adam fans entered this contest. But Kris, Danny, Matt and other fansites had “promos” of this contest too. So I am sure that people who were fans of Kris, Danny, Matt etc. wanted passes and entered this contest, too. (Although, I am sure that there were probably more Adam fans doing this.)

    And a few rude Adam fans don’t represent the millions of sane, respectful Adam fans. There’s even a thread on IDF_Adam Lambert that totally condemns this “winner”.

    The “50 words or less” contest for M&G passes was not a great idea and anyone with any experience with these kind of contests would have advised against it. It would have been fine if the prize was to win dinner with Megan, but since all 10 Idols are usually at the M&G, it was quite obvious that fans of other Idols would outnumber real Megan fans. I am certain that Megan’s mom meant well, but I really wish that had someone more experienced helping them with promotions.

    Here’s the official statement on Megan’s site:

    Hello Megan Joy Fans!

    Thank you all, for your great emails and for sharing what you love about Megan. It has been a pleasure reading your emails and very hard trying to decide who to send back stage. Megan loves each of you and appreciates your love and support more than I can say.

    I am sad to be ending the “50 words or less” contest, as of July 22nd. If you
    entered the contest prior to July 22, your entry will still be considered. While I
    don’t blame ANYONE for wanting to go backstage and meet any or all of the top 10 Idols, I prefer my time and energy be spent on Megan’s Fans! I will continue to spend time everyday finding ways to help Megan show her love & appreciation for all of you.

    THANK YOU for your support!
    -Megan’s Mom

    http://www.meganjoy.org/contest.html

  105. CAUTION: TOTAL RUMOR AND MAY NOT BE TRUE

    There are a number of credible reports from people associated with the FF Production that ‘ ¦ Adam’s version of Mad World, currently being used in the TV and theatrical commercials for ABC’s new series FlashForward, will be used as the theme song for the show.

    I find it interesting that these type of “phenomenon” shows like FF and 2012 are attracted to Adam’s voice. There must be something so ethereal about it that it inspires that oo-ee-oo-ee quality that many of us associate with the paranormal. I’d laugh if he finds a side business in doing the “weird” music that accompanies so many of these type of shows.

  106. I’m not surprised at VFTW and all the nasty comments that are following the story, I was surprised by Rickey adding fuel to the fire of anything VFTW has to say.

    I agree Q3 the prize should have been coffee or pictures with Megan, not with all the idols, then Megan’s true fans would have enterd. Adam’s fans are probably 40 to 1 of Megan’s. I knew nothing of this contest until yesterday, but I’m sure the overzealous fans know of every chance there is to meet Adam and will enter everything they can to meet him.

  107. Sidney, I don’t know which part of the country you live, but I hear DC on radio here in TN all the time. And about Kris, it’s your opinion but I bet you a lot of peolple will disagree with you. Yes he’s had some not so good reviews from reviewers who didn’t like him on the show and are still bitter because he won. I personally read reviews with a grain of salt because most of them are not objective. But again, I’ve read from a lot who were suprised when they saw Kris perform live in concert and having a whole new impression about him(in a very good way), than they thought. Many people said he couldn’t perform in a bigger setting and he suprised them. Note that at the moment, these kids are covering other peoples songs, and they are doing very well,and I can’t wait for their own.

    This is a nice video from ontd_ai about Kris and his freinds on mission. I believe his choice of “the killers” song could be trace from here. He said in an interview that he’s done it a couple of times and I believe it was on one of these missions. He is not the one singing in the video anyway.

    http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_ai/1462944.html

  108. Kw- I do wish Dc was played at the mix stations I listen to more.I do hear his song “Lights On” at work allot but that is on a feed and I enjoy it. The pop station used to play Dc wish they would. Vocals have a smooth quality with a nice edge to them.

  109. Speaking of David :) , he stepped away from the mic again on ‘Lie’  last night at Birchmere – he had some sing along helpers but it sounded gorgeous anyway. I love that song’ ¦

    Lie is my fav song from DCTR, and The Birchmere is one of my favorite small venues. Awwww, sadness that I’m no longer near there. But great video, thanks so much for sharing it here!

  110. There are a number of credible reports from people associated with the FF Production that ‘ ¦ Adam’s version of Mad World, currently being used in the TV and theatrical commercials for ABC’s new series FlashForward, will be used as the theme song for the show.

    Wow. I hope it’s true.

    I agree with the Miami Herald review – the A’s have it. Adam and Allison seem to be getting the best reviews over the course of the tour. Matt too. He’s been doing very well. All three of them seem to be impressing fans and critics alike.

  111. Re: Vote for the Worst….they state that Adam’s fans are horrible…..yet why kind of people belong to Vote for the Worst?

    Someone stated on the site that “it sucks to ruin contests” but yet their whole site is set up to keep the worst of the American Idol on the show and have more talented people voted off.

  112. I read this last night on Rickey’s site – it’s stupid. Yes, it is wrong to pose as a fan just get tickets but to blame one set of fans just because an Adam fan won is idiotic. It was an open contest anyone could have entered.

    LOL. I see VFTW is still bitter that the public likes Adam. They wanted him to be their VFTW contestant soooooo bad… lol I notice when they don’t understand someone’s appeal/talent, they dog them and their fans more. The head guy over there at VFTW goes on the Idol Radio Show sometimes with Sir Darryl and is always saying how much Adam is going to fail. Heck, they even say Carrie is a failure even with her successes. lol

  113. I liked Allison but I was not totally into her, but watching her videos she is getting stronger and stronger stage presence each show. After her album comes out she may corner the female tween rocker market. Miley, Demi who? Taylor Swift is safe.

  114. smallie — I don’t know how much control you thought DC had over his band, music, career, etc., but I think what control he does have he’s had to fight for tooth and nail — whether overtly or through charm and negotiation — and for any artist, I think it’s always a continuing battle with your label with some artists having more victories than losses. I think DC falls in the “more victories than losses” categories thus far, but it’s an always evolving battle for control. For all we know, he is in the same boat as Kelly — with the only difference being he won the write to write his own songs (though I’m sure RCA still forced those co-writes on him) and is a little less impetuous when being interviewed.

    As for Joey’s departure, I tend to think that there’s too much other circumstantial evidence (and unfortunately that’s all we have) to conclude that his departure was label-driven vs. something else. As other people have said, it would have been a dumb move by the label to forcibly remove a band member in the middle of an insane touring schedule and not have a replacement in the wings ready to go. Instead, it sounds like David had to scramble to get a buddy from Tulsa to step in and be the interim replacement, and that poor guy’s had to learn the songs in a very short period of time. As you probably already know, after having not repeated a single set list for something like 80 shows, they finally had to repeat the same set list something like 3 times now — probably to help the new guy out so he doesn’t have to learn even MORE songs. So no, I just have a hard time supporting a guess that Joey’s departure was something orchestrated by the label.

    I know you said it was a baseless gut reaction, but was there something at all to make you think that?

  115. David Cook is not played at all on the pop stations or very few on the mix stations. I would not of heard about him playing here if not for the web..I guess Dc is bigger else where.

    Facts speak on the contrary. David has only had two real singles of his album, Light On and Come Back To Me. LO was a top 20 hit on POP radio and was also a top 10 hit on HAC. CBTM didn’t do as well on POP radio as LO, but the song is still played on them. I know the TOP40 station here where I live apparently loves CBTM as I’m always hearing it. CBTM is also a top10 hit on HAC. So DC is doing pretty damn well when it comes to radio play. We should also never forget that he is still a new artist.

    I could give two shits about rock radio. The hosts are full of a bunch of jackasses who have an undeserved sense of entitlement. It’s part of the reason not a lot of people listen to it anymore.

    Not even the mighty Daughtry get played on rock radio.

  116. MJ: sry had to leave and just saw your comment regarding my post. Yeah fairly new to this site and will remember to post only to one thread! Thnx for running a site that has become part of my daily ritual!

  117. LOL. I see VFTW is still bitter that the public likes Adam.

    Believe me, Dave doesn’t sit up at night nashing his teeth over the popularity of Adam. He really takes none of this that seriously.

    As far as the Megan contest is concerned. Yeah, a rookie mistake on the part of Mom. She probably couldn’t imagine there’d be fans shitty enough to fake being a Megan fan in order to win the contest.

    But, some fans will do anything to get close to the object of their obsession.

    Something very similar happened to Ramiele Malubay last year, she posted on her myspace that she’d give fans who brought signs backstage passes. Well, you can just imagine what happened. Ramiele was pretty hurt by that.

  118. Regarding Adam and “Flash Forward,” there is no “news” on the official “Flash Forward” blog site, but if you go here: http://flashforwardblog.com/categories/trailers-promos/

    They do specifically credit the song: “Here is another promo for ABC’s FlashForward – the song towards the end is ‘Mad World’ by Adam Lambert.”

    There are also trailers for Spain and Australia, so looks like an international launch. That would ROCK if they kept it as the theme song, but even as a promo, it’s cool.

    I’ve said it a ka-jillion times, I went to college with the creator and I am reasonably confident he did not leave this creative decision up to chance. My belief is that he consciously chose Adam’s “Mad World” for the promos.

    And BTW, the guy KNOWS his music.

  119. Those pre-Idol videos of Kris on the ontd_ai site are ice. The first tone is hysterical…good thing Kris only has a cameo, because bb seriously cannot act. The second one is wonderful, showing Kris and the other kids who went on that mission to South Africa trying to help out in some small way.

    It’s nice to see some of the pre-Idol things, gives some insight into what they were like before going on t.v. and becoming famous (for however long) basically overnight.

  120. Could be people who are confused by the promo use, but this is not coming from twitter or Adam fans. And, it makes sense since they are using it in the current TV promo spots over the show title.

    People who specifically identify themselves as working for the production company are posting on Adam Lambert boards? Or are fans saying they know a freind whose uncles best-friends niece works for the production company? If it’s second or third hand information, I think it’s suspect.

  121. Video deleted by Q3. Not what I thought it was.

    I hope this is just a hoax so that when the tour moves to cities which are not Adam-centric, Adam may come out for AP or M&G.

    I don’t think Adam appearing or not has anything to do with places that are Adam-centric or not Adam-centric. As far as I know he has only missed the Tampa and Sunrise AP (for security issues), but Adam attended the M&G at both concerts. And I think that he’s been at both the private M&G and the AP for all the other concerts. And he did the press event in Tampa.

    Adam didn’t sign post-show autographs in:

    Sacramento – killer headache night

    Memphis – no one did, they had to catch a plane

    Tampa – security issues

    Sunrise – security issue

    I don’t think there are any other misses but I am just going from memory so I could easily be wrong.

    Finally, I don’t think there is anywhere without a lot of Adam fans. Tulsa-Little Rock-Memphis was the most likely the non-Adam part of the tour. And Adam had the most fans in both Tulsa and Memphis. And there were many, many Kradam fans (all the Arkansas Adam fans plus others like me) and Adam fans (all the Adam-only fans were from out-of-state I think) in LR — even at the buses.

  122. People who specifically identify themselves as working for the production company are posting on Adam Lambert boards? Or are fans saying they know a freind whose uncles best-friends niece works for the production company? If it’s second or third hand information, I think it’s suspect.

    Yes, it is suspect. And it is a rumor not news. I head this from some people that I am working with on a TV commercial production. They are not Adam fans and don’t post things on fanboards. I mentioned that I was an Adam fan and that is how it came up.

    I guess it fits into your secondhand info category because I have seen nothing anything official.

  123. I know you said it was a baseless gut reaction, but was there something at all to make you think that?

    Not much, just that I know Andy and Kyle are bummed about losing Joey and miss him, and DC used sad twice in his official blog announcing his departure. That’s not much, but to me, it helps paint a picture that the band, largely, did not want to lose Joey, and they are still on good terms. So for me, that leaves: A) Joey wanted to leave for personal reasons, or B) the label either wanted Joey to leave, or was forcing something that drove him to leave. It could be A, but the sudden-ness of his departure leaves the band high and dry and it’s a very short list of personal reasons that would lead you to essentially leave your good friends in the extremely difficult position of finding a replacement amidst a crammed tour schedule. Circumstantial evidence of Joey’s personality leads me to think that he wouldn’t do that unless the situation was really serious and he really had to go that suddenly. I don’t want to blame the band, so I blame the label. This is all a$$talking from me for sure, but it’s essentially the train of thought I’ve gone through and it makes sense in my head. Again, likely others don’t feel the same way. I doubt we’ll ever find out more specific details, so it’s all pretty pointless speculation. I’m sure I’ll stop thinking too much about it in a few weeks ;)

  124. The bigger problem I see with the Megan contest is that it’s only one thing in the middle of other events that do not give a positive image of Adam fans.
    Michael Sarver kindness has rewarded him with a lot of oportunistic Adam fans who see him just as a way to get to Adam.
    There are reports of people screaming Adam name when the other contestants are right in front of them or telling them to give gifts to him. Signs of this behavior can be found online too, columnists that dare to criticize Adam get flooded with comments on how their review suck.

    The worse about it is that it was all very predictable.

    In a complete unrelated note, I am very impressed at the speed you find things online (at Idf, Ontdai…) and post them here Q3, sometimes I wonder if there aren’t three of you online at the same time.

  125. Daniel Allen Photos from Little Rock and Memphis

    http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_ai/1463083.html

    Lots of fun and heartthrob moments. My favorites are Kris with a baby, Adam with Kris’ mon, and dad Allen. Katy is such a cool girl.

    ok, the one w. adam and kris’ mom is beyond adorable….so touching. my personal fave? daddy allen throwing a punch at the boxing photo….pure gold

  126. Since we’re offering baseless gut reactions, I’m thinking it is a personal Joey matter. I’ve nothing at all to go on, certainly less than you sma11ie. :-) But some of the videos show me a possible lack of stability, maybe stress who knows. Maybe even a health related matter. But something seemed off to me.

  127. From this tweet, sounds like Kris actually has the day off today, rather than having to work on his album.

    #Enjoying the time in Hotlanta for the day. Getting a lil me time.# Haha
    about 1 hour ago from TwitterFon

    Hopefully, Adam likewise has today to himself as well. Maybe they and the other Idols can actually get to see some of the city other than just the hotel and arena thing they are usually confined to.

  128. wereallinnocent, your speculation makes sense as well, and is certainly just as possible as mine :). Haha. Anyway, it’s all good. I love DC and will follow his music and career regardless so at the end of the day, that’s what matters to me.

  129. Believe me, Dave doesn’t sit up at night nashing his teeth over the popularity of Adam. He really takes none of this that seriously.

    I’m sure he doesn’t, but why does he bother with a site like VFTW? It just seems so stupid and childish, like something a particularly immature middle-schooler would find amusing. And it is extremely hypocritical to get upset with jerky fans, of Adam or anyone else, for ruining a contest when the whole point of his site is to try to “ruin” AI by getting the better people voted off sooner.

  130. I think Cook made the mistake of not forming a band aka Daughtry. The rock stations don’t play his songs, nor is pop. Guys in a band get more cred automatically.

    Um, Daughtry possesses no “cred” (nor does Cook, to be fair). He got rock radio play the first album because of the Slash collaboration, but I’ll be extremely surprised if he gets it this time around. And from hearing the album, it sounds like they’re not even trying for that anymore, as there’s no song on there that is a viable single candidate for the rock format.

  131. Someone stated on the site that ‘it sucks to ruin contests’  but yet their whole site is set up to keep the worst of the American Idol on the show and have more talented people voted off.

    Today’s theme seems to be amusing lack of self-awareness. Well trying not to add to that, I won’t say that I think that all of the people who go to VFTW are like that. As I know that all Adam fans aren’t jerks like the ones who did that with that contest. I am glad that it seems that even people on IDF called them out. But yeah, it was bound to happen with an open contest like that. There will always be some fans, regardless of who they are fans of, who are jerks and/or crazy. Unfortunate that Megan’s mom had to deal with that, of course. That’s so not cool.

  132. Um, Daughtry possesses no ‘cred’  (nor does Cook, to be fair).

    Yeah, the general feeling I get from when I can stand listening to holier than thou rock “personalities” is that you “sold out” if you went on Idol so… no possibility of getting “cred!”

  133. In a complete unrelated note, I am very impressed at the speed you find things online (at Idf, Ontdai’ ¦) and post them here Q3, sometimes I wonder if there aren’t three of you online at the same time.

    Sort of. I use a sophisticated form of search robots — they do the work, I don’t. (I am not joking.) Plus, in my real life, I track trends in fashion (home and apparel), entertainment, media/music, etc. so I spend all day and many nights trying to stay ahead of the market. I use a lot of Twitter and social networking analysis tools to help. So my recent (and first experience with fandom — Adam and now Matt, too) fits in really well.

    Of course, I also send a lot of time talking to young girls who love Mylie and the JBs. I personally prefer the JBs evil older brother – Adam.

  134. Yeah Adam has some wacky fans, but the artist should not be judged based on his fans actions. And it seems Adam gets attacked on some of these blogs because of things he has no control or knowledge of. Posing as a fan for the contest then making it known you were not a fan was a crappy thing for someone to do and I’m sure Megan can’t be to pleased by it but it was very naive of her mom to think ONLY Megan’s fans would enter.

    As for attacking writers for bad write ups that’s across the entertainment industry of fans, not just one person’s. Adam fans/stans (just learned what that meant)/ worshippers, whatever, are not the first to do these things and won’t be the last, the actions just seem to be blown out of proportion whenever his name is involved.

  135. VFTW is a funny site and does a great job of making fun of

    The bigger problem I see with the Megan contest is that it’s only one thing in the middle of other events that do not give a positive image of Adam fans.
    Michael Sarver kindness has rewarded him with a lot of oportunistic Adam fans who see him just as a way to get to Adam.
    There are reports of people screaming Adam name when the other contestants are right in front of them or telling them to give gifts to him. Signs of this behavior can be found online too, columnists that dare to criticize Adam get flooded with comments on how their review suck

    All them people.The nut jobs.I love the mail bag on that site.I dont post on VFTW but love to read it.They make fun of the show.

  136. -Yeah, the general feeling I get from when I can stand listening to holier than thou rock ‘personalities’  is that you ‘sold out’  if you went on Idol so’ ¦ no possibility of getting ‘cred!’ 

    Generally but Rolling Stone seems ready to give Adam cred as the first true Rock Star from AI. They have been all over him since before the show even ended. It will be interesting to see the review of his album since they just slammed Daughtry’s new one.

  137. I’ve been known to wander over to VFTW and Idletard even, though I think Idletard especially goes too far. I actually haven’t been back since they have been taking far too many pictures of just random fans at shows and making fun of how they look. It’s one thing to skewer the OTT fans but to do that to people who are just going to a show to have a good time… well. Not cool. But VFTW can be pretty entertaining. It helps to get a bit of a thick skin when it comes to your favorite. And know your limits… I know this past season I just didn’t have the energy to get super invested in anyone, I’m still too attached to DC ;) .

  138. Just read the Miami Herald review = that was pretty funny. Someone’s snark monster was obviously on full blast ;-)

    Did someone from the blog here right that review? The attacks on some of the guys were pretty harsh, but, well, kinda true too. Sad to say. Still it seemed to be pretty fair to everyone, and the reviewer really seemed to enjoy the show.

  139. Maybe it’s a good sign for Kris Allen, that Chris Daughtry has done just fine, without winning the love of the Miami Herald’s Howard Cohen.

    If I’m not mistaken, Cohen loved Daughtry initially. If I’m thinking of the right writer, he repeatedly invoked Chris’s name as a club against David Cook whenever he reviewed him for anything, beating DC over the head with the “He’s no Daughtry,” appraisal. Apparently, though, Cohen was looking for some evolution on the DAUGHTRY followup, and he wasn’t impressed at all that they opted to put out a “part two” of their first record….

  140. There are reports of people screaming Adam name when the other contestants are right in front of them or telling them to give gifts to him. Signs of this behavior can be found online too, columnists that dare to criticize Adam get flooded with comments on how their review suck

    Yes, I do remember a report of someone taking a gift to Adam from a little girl and asking Matt to give it it Adam…..I think I also remember Matt refusing. I’m sure if someone did a survey on fans of the contestants and their behaviour, we would find rude people in all the fanbases.

  141. VFTW is a site dedicated to making fun of AI. If you passionately love the show or can’t stand to see your fave idol being criticized/mocked, do not go there. You will only be frustrated — and be warned, they like to make fun of “overly-invested” fans as well. Yes, the humor can be childish and silly, but I think some of it is hilarious (especially Professor Chan’s reviews of each AI episode).

    I take the “news” that VFTW reports with a grain of salt — I think a lot of it is exaggerated to make AI look bad or for comedy effect. Unless, of course, they cite MJ as the source — then I know the info is true. :)

  142. Michael Sarver kindness has rewarded him with a lot of oportunistic Adam fans who see him just as a way to get to Adam.

    I have no sympathy for Michael Sarver being “used,” by Adam fans, because he used them to get popular, imho. He was being mocked by them and Kradam fans and as part of the backlash against Gokey and him about “godly” and “right,” ways to love. But then there was news of protests against Adam and Michael stepped into the Twitter breach standing up for Adam, saying how against hate he was, and generally mentioning Adam. And lo and behold, he got a lot more Twitter followers and more positive talk in the AI-fansphere. Of course his being a personable guy at the buses, barricades and doing competent work during the tour, has added to his changing fan trajectory. But a lot of that started, as far as I can see, when he started, to my mind, courting the Adam fans via Twitter.

    YMMV on this, of course. But that’s my observations, so I don’t lose sleep now over Michael’s being asked questions about Adam. He set up that situation and I think he did it for his own benefit. Which is totally understandable, and smart. So good for him.

  143. And kudos to Matt for getting two comparisons to Billy Joel on the same day :smile_wp: Wow! I never thought much of him during the show (hey, maybe lower expectations are a really good thing) but I’m really looking forward to hearing him live now ;-)

    It turned out to be a much better show than last year, where David Cook clearly outclassed pretty much everyone.

    This was from the pbpulse review. Uh, what? I actually thought last year had a really solid group (in some ways, more so than this year). Cook, Archuletta, Carly, and Michael Johns were all really really strong imo. Even the ones I wasn’t fond of during the season, Jason and Brooke, put on very solid, strong sets. So, yeah, not quite getting that comment.

  144. VFTW is a site dedicated to making fun of AI. If you passionately love the show or can’t stand to see your fave idol being criticized/mocked, do not go there. You will only be frustrated ‘” and be warned, they like to make fun of ‘overly-invested’  fans as well.

    I must say I have never visited VFTW more than once or twice, typically just to get a sense of who is their designated “worst”. Otherwise, yeah, I guess your description pretty much sums up why I don’t frequent the site.

  145. I saw the FF trailer when I watched Transformers 2 (opening week) and I thought I was going crazy when I heard Adam’s Mad World version. I figured I was just being my typical AI fan crazy self imagining the Idol versions whenever I hear a song but that’s good to hear that it was really Adam and they’re going to use it! This along with the 2012 OST are both great promo!

  146. Generally but Rolling Stone seems ready to give Adam cred as the first true Rock Star from AI. They have been all over him since before the show even ended. It will be interesting to see the review of his album since they just slammed Daughtry’s new one.

    I find this interesting because the fact is that David Cook and Daughtry played in rock bands for many years before Idol. They were both struggling rock musicians and writers. They both had and have strong roots in rock music. Adam was never this. He did musical theater before Idol. He does not play an instrument to my knowledge. I find it curious that Rolling Stone has supposedly labeled him the first True Rock Star from Idol when he was primarily working in theater before Idol. It kinda makes you wonder about Rolling Stone and if they have done their homework before writing an article. YMMV

  147. Generally but Rolling Stone seems ready to give Adam cred as the first true Rock Star from AI. They have been all over him since before the show even ended. It will be interesting to see the review of his album since they just slammed Daughtry’s new one.

    The gave Daughtry’s new album 3 out of 5 stars — that’s not exactly a slam. And it’s better than the 2 out of 5 stars they gave his debut album.

    It takes gall to put a song called “No Surprise” on your second disc, but gall is something Daughtry does not lack, and that’s what made him one of the only bona fide rock stars to come out of American Idol. In Leave This Town, he brings in chick-rock titans like Richard Marx and Nickelback’s Chad Kroeger, and teams up with Vince Gill for an ace country heart-tugger, “Tennessee Line.” But the topper is “Life After You,” where he stands by the side of the road, 10 miles out of town, after burning out his engine speeding back to his woman to beg her to take him back. Daughtry is cocky enough to know the ladies love him even more when he makes their boyfriends suffer.

  148. Adam was working in theater – that was how he made his living, but he did have a band (Citizen Vein) on the side with Monte Pittman, so he was working on music as well. I don’t believe he plays an instrument but I don’t want to get into that conversation again.

    I do find it weird how much RS loves him and is pushing him as a rock star when his album isn’t going to be all about rock, but in fairness some of Citizen Vein’s music was rock oriented as well as pop and so forth. RS isn’t the only one either, there’s a rock website selling his musical, so go figure.

  149. They both had and have strong roots in rock music. Adam was never this. He did musical theater before Idol.

    Adam also spent at least the last 3 years as part of a fairly heavy rock band, The Citizen Vein with Monte Pitmann (Madonna’s guitar player). He both co-wrote a bunch of their music wth Monte and fronted the band.

    Musical theater is only ONE of the things he has done. Actually, the Zodiac Show stuff is pretty “rocky” also. I believe he also co-wrote Crawl Thru Fire for that.

  150. I’m sure he doesn’t, but why does he bother with a site like VFTW? It just seems so stupid and childish, like something a particularly immature middle-schooler would find amusing.

    VFTW is a bunch of petulant children. They’ve uncovered a few good stories and I thought they were funny at first but it’s the same junior high humor over and over. They don’t hate everyone though. There are a couple contestants they like. Most of them are female and hot. Like I said, it’s junior high stuff.

  151. The sane Adam fans don’t want to be associated with the more maniacal of the Glamberts’ ¦

    And some of them really don’t want to be called a Glambert. ;)

    As far as AI sites/communities go, I happen to love the ontd_ai community. They are absolutely hysterical and overwhelmingly positive and supportive of everyone (w/ the possible exception of Gokey). Arguing and debating on other sites is fun for a time, but it gets old really fast. If you are an Adam or Kris fan over there, diss the other at your own risk. It’s not well tolerated. I love that. :)

    re: Rolling Stone. I think calling Adam a “rock star” is more of a reflection of Adam’s attitude than anything else. He’s fearless, takes risks, pushes buttons and has unshakeable confidence and presence onstage. Being a rock star is just as much about attitude as it is about vocal chops and experience. Daughtry and Cook were rockers, but IMO, they don’t quite have the same innate star quality that Adam possesses.

  152. I find this interesting because the fact is that David Cook and Daughtry played in rock bands for many years before Idol. They were both struggling rock musicians and writers. They both had and have strong roots in rock music. Adam was never this. He did musical theater before Idol. He does not play an instrument to my knowledge. I find it curious that Rolling Stone has supposedly labeled him the first True Rock Star from Idol when he was primarily working in theater before Idol. It kinda makes you wonder about Rolling Stone and if they have done their homework before writing an article. YMMV

    I don’t think this has much to do with “rock.” I think they get a “star” vibe from him that they — rightly or wrongly — didn’t get from others. And then they’re taking his word for it that he’ll pursue a rock-ish sound. Rolling Stone never really has been mainly about rock — it’s long been about pop culture and culture generally, including rock, but not really particularly rock-oriented overall.

    After all, there have been quite a bunch of talented AIers who’ve been in and fronted rock bands that spent years looking for a break — not only Cook and Daughtry but Michael Johns, Constantine, Bo. It just happens that Rolling Stone didn’t see “star” quality in any of them. Just run-of-the-mill rockers, I guess. lol. Rolling Stone obviously knows all of these guys exist. They’ve reviewed and/or interviewed all or most of them.

    Whether they turn out to be right about Adam’s star quality is a wide-open question, however!

  153. I find this interesting because the fact is the David Cook and Daughtry played in rock bands for many years before Idol. They were both struggling rock musicians and writers. They both had and have strong roots in rock music. Adam was never this. He did musical theater before Idol. He does not play an instrument to my knowledge. I find it curious that Rolling Stone has supposedly labeled him the first True Rock Star from Idol when he was primarily working in theater before Idol. It kinda makes you wonder about Rolling Stone and if they have done their homework before writing an article. YMMV

    I agree that Adam never really struck me as a rock star in the same vein as Chris Daughtry or David Cook. But, considering the broadness of the word rock, especially as it has changed over time (glam rock being a good example), I still say he could qualify as AI’s first potential Rock Star, when used in a different context from how we commonly think of modern rock.

    Don’t know if that makes sense, but essentially I see Rock Star as a very broad term, encompassing lots of styles and sub-styles of Rock, and a “Star” per se is something more akin to what Adam is trying to embody on stage = 1000% performance-level, energy, theatrics, style, showy vocals and effects – it’s the dress-up side of him, in effect. And from that stand point I think that he at least is making some of the biggest steps among any AI contestant to actually embody that.

  154. In my humble opinion Daughtry and David Cook have plenty of Star quality but that is just me.

  155. noctem seizure – If I’m not mistaken, Cohen loved Daughtry initially. If I’m thinking of the right writer, he repeatedly invoked Chris’s name as a club against David Cook whenever he reviewed him for anything, beating DC over the head with the ‘He’s no Daughtry,’  appraisal. Apparently, though, Cohen was looking for some evolution on the DAUGHTRY followup, and he wasn’t impressed at all that they opted to put out a ‘part two’  of their first record’ ¦.

    I think you are rarely mistaken on Idol facts and history!

    You’re right, Howard Cohen was, and maybe still is, a Daughtry fan. He just didn’t give Daughtry’s new albem a good review. And the 63% week 2 sales drop seems to indicate that he’s not alone.

    Here’s a few highlights from his review of Chris’ 2006 album:

    American Idol” has finally given the American public the anti-Clay, a manly rocker who, for the most part, hasn’t allowed “Idol”’s restrictive 19 Management to completely turn him into a pabulum-peddling wimp or producer’s plaything the way the others have. He’s a photogenic rock star both men and women can agree on.

    With his rich, sturdy voice, Daughtry can do ballads convincingly, whispering his love musings at 140 decibels on the acceptable midtempo number “What About Now,” but for credibility’s sake he’s better off steering far from the middle of the road that “Idol” favors and occasionally nudges him toward.

    `There and Back Again,” have a latter-period Kiss flavor and this anthemic hard rock style is where Daughtry is at his best.

    `Daughtry”’s still a polished, mainstream recording but, along with fellow contestant Kellie Pickler who, like Daughtry, also writes much of her own material, it feels like the start of something real. “Idol”’s fifth season has managed the previously unthinkable by unleashing two potential long-term career artists: Daughtry in rock, Pickler in country. It’s almost enough to forgive them for also introducing Taylor Hicks.

  156. If the broad definition of rock star is used by RS, then Kelly is a pretty rocky star. She even put out a pop rock album. Daughtry is the only idol getting played in rock radio so far.

    RS may love the glam rocker side of Adam. I think they are in for a rude wakening on his album. The editor of RS is gay, too.

  157. In my humble opinion Daughtry and David Cook have plenty of Star quality but that is just me.

    David does, I agree – Daughtry irks me.
    Adam wasn’t the only idol to be in RS right? Has Chris, David, or maybe Bo Bice been interviewed by them or done cover stories?

  158. They did a story on David last year and it was a good one but not the cover.

  159. Being a rock star is just as much about attitude as it is about vocal chops and experience.

    And this sentence captures exactly what is so very wrong about so much of music today….

  160. I don’t think this has much to do with ‘rock.’  I think they get a ‘star’  vibe from him that they ‘” rightly or wrongly ‘” didn’t get from others.

    That’s what I think too. It has everything to do with the “star” part of the word “rockstar” and not necessarily a lot to do with the “rock” portion of it.

  161. And this sentence captures exactly what is so very wrong about so much of music today’ ¦.

    Music today? Charisma and image have been part of success as a rock artist since forever. Success as any kind of artist actually.

  162. Here a couple of gifs that I think are from last night’s show. Is the Kradam dance during Hey Jude a new thing? They’ve been doing the dancing during DSB for most of the tour, but I don’t remember them doing so durign Hey Jude before.

    http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_ai/1467526.html?thread=280565894#t280565894

    (there are also several videos and some photos from last night’s show on another thread over on ontd_ai. Don’t know if those have been posted over here yet or not…)

  163. At the risk of sounding idiotic, what is stans?

    Think I missed this “tutorial” yesterday.

  164. Well I have seen David Cook in concert and his shows are fantastic and all rock. He is not a glam rocker but he is charismatic and personable and he has the perfect voice for rock music. So I think he may have to work harder to win over some of the doubters but I believe he will do it because he really is that good.

  165. I despise VFTW (don’t hate me for saying that, mj!). Dave is okay, but the rest of the bloggers in charge are spiteful little children, and the posters there are ridiculous (plus most of then cannot construct grammatically correct sentences). If they don’t like Idol, they should stop watching it. If they do, they should stop slamming it every minute. It’s old, it’s tired, and the site has outlived any usefulness it might have had at one time. They should write for Perez Hilton instead. If you go to the site, prepare for your favorite Idol(s) to be slammed, b/c everyone of them has been or will be. Vote for the Worst: vote for them.

    I am starting to feel as if I am the only one who really likes Chris’s new album…which is fine. I just did not know if I would like it as much as the first album, and for the most part I do. And I think his voice is much better than Chad Kroeger’s and the songs are more interesting than Nickleback’s (as Nickleback laughs all the way to the bank).

  166. “Music today? Charisma and image have been part of success as a rock artist since forever. Success as any kind of artist actually”, but you also had to have vocals, which so many “stars” today do not. Autotune has been the ruination of the current music scene. So many sound good on records but suck live, i.e. Taylor Swift, etc. Back in the day before autotune (yes I’m that old) you actually had to be able to sing. That’s not always the case today.

    Natsha I sooooo agree with you. (the star part and not necessarily the rock part). Glam rock maybe but rock no.

  167. And this sentence captures exactly what is so very wrong about so much of music today’ ¦.

    Music today? Charisma and image have been part of success as a rock artist since forever. Success as any kind of artist actually.

    ^^^ True. ^^^

  168. Music today? Charisma and image have been part of success as a rock artist since forever. Success as any kind of artist actually.

    True perhaps, but I was alluding to the notion that somehow having a background in musical theater and a glam garage band on the side is acceptable substitute “rock” experience to what guys who have been writing and releasing music and playing shows for more than a decade have been doing, since the time they were in high school.

    I’m not surprised that Rolling Stone thinks it is, however, as it is the epitome of a corporate music magazine, not to mention one that seems at least as concerned with pushing its politics as it does actually “covering” music. But, the fact that a mainstream music rag would hold this viewpoint speaks even MORE to what is wrong with music now. As does the fact that any “music fan”– EVEN an American Idol fan– would honestly subscribe to this view.

  169. but I was alluding to the notion that somehow having a background in musical theater and a glam garage band on the side is acceptable substitute experience that puts you on the same level as far as being a ‘rock’  star as what guys who have been writing and releasing music and playing shows for more than a decade, since they were in high school.

    Well Adam has been in musical theater, a rock/glam band, written music and has been playing shows for more than a decade since high school so I guess he passes your test.

    But, the fact that a mainstream music rag would hold this viewpoint speaks even MORE to what is wrong with music now. As does the fact that any music fan’“ EVEN an American Idol fan’“ would honestly subscribe to this view.

    huh?

  170. Well Adam has been in musical theater, a rock/glam band, written music and has been playing shows for more than a decade since high school so I guess he passes your test.

    You can’t add up the sum total of all of his musical efforts doing anything at all and call that over a decade of “rock experience”. How many years was he in bands? How many songs has he written? How many shows did he play? How many band and/or solo reords has he put out?

    Adam’s an outstanding singer. But, don’t try to make the case that his background is a rock one.

  171. Adam wasn’t the only idol to be in RS right? Has Chris, David, or maybe Bo Bice been interviewed by them or done cover stories?

    Clay Aiken and Ruben Studdard are the only other Idols to have been featured on the cover of Rolling Stone (Clay was the first followed shortly thereafter by Ruben). RS has done a lot of articles about Idols, though.

  172. Well Adam has been in musical theater, a rock/glam band, written music and has been playing shows for more than a decade since high school so I guess he passes your test.

    I think Adam is actually first in many things. The first singer to come out before debut album, the first real rock star from AI, the first rock star who doesn’t play an instrument other than Joe Jonas.

  173. I agree Q3 the prize should have been coffee or pictures with Megan, not with all the idols, then Megan’s true fans would have enterd.

    Well, since Megan’s mom decided to do the contest for Megan’s fans, I think she should be allowed to make the prize anything she wants. Her intentions were pretty clear. And, what people wrote was supposed to be why they wanted to meet Megan. It’s not her fault for being naive or picking the wrong prize. It’s the winners fault for being a huge liar. And, a complete asshole.

    That someone would write 50 words to create a lie that they want to meet Megan, when all they want is to meet Adam is a super shitty thing to do. The blame falls squarely on them. Not on the victim of their lie. Of course, by virtue of the fact that said winner was so intent on getting their eye make-up to look just like Adam’s for this event, it’s easy to see what an over-invested uber-fantard that person is anyway.

    YMMV on this, of course. But that’s my observations, so I don’t lose sleep now over Michael’s being asked questions about Adam. He set up that situation and I think he did it for his own benefit.

    I don’t find it impossible to believe that Michael is just a nice guy who expressed his opinion because he felt compelled to. I don’t necessarily think that his objective is to get Adam fans to follow him.

    Asking any of the others questions about Adam via twitter repeatedly is just rude. Screaming Adam’s name in the other’s faces is also rude. Asking the others to deliver gifts to Adam is incredibly rude.

    None of them are Adam’s messenger. And, what is with this desperate need to interact with Adam anyway? Go to a show if you want to see him. But, people should stop hounding him for crying out loud. And, they should definitely stop hounding all of the others because they’re not receiving the desired amount of attention they want from Adam.

    I don’t understand this desperation to meet him. I’ve never met any of the people whose music I enjoy, but I still buy it. And I still attend their concerts without stalking them before and after.

  174. Regarding the comment about a few people yelling Adam’s name at the beginning of Michael’s set in South Florida, I don’t see how this is Adam’s fault. And Michael is not the first person to open a multi-act concert and here a headliner’s name yelled. And I guarentee it will happen in the northeast where the crowds tend to yell a lot. I’m beating on Philadelphia or North Jersey.

    A few Kris and Danny fans were very rude to Adam during his performance in Memphis (one guy bragged about it all over the Web – 15 seconds of fame, I guess). I don’t blame Kris or Danny for their fans rude behavior either.

    Considering that it took me 2 seconds to figure out where the idols were staying after seeing Danny’s pedicure tweet while in Arizona I think it is time for the Idols to turn their Tweets off. Over sharing is OK if it only involves the tweeter but to do or say stuff that involves other idols is only leading to trouble. I am sure that in Tampa it was also easy to figure out where the idols were staying based on the Tweets.

    I also recognized the Royal Palms distinctive blue strips immediately. But I hadn’t put 2-and-2 together, until I read your post. Of course, this is a new security concern that they probably didn’t think of until the Memphis Graceland fangirl mess. And that would explain when the tweets have diminished so much. They must have told all of the tweeting Idols to stop sending such specific info. You could almost plot Adam’s every move just by following Michael and Danny.

    How did those fans find out that Adam was at Graceland? This was a press event, not an announced public event.

    @michaelsarver1: ‘What up Twitter woooorld. We are on our way to
    Graceland. Going for a tour before… – 26th July 20:58

    I do find it weird how much RS loves him and is pushing him as a rock star when his album isn’t going to be all about rock, but in fairness some of Citizen Vein’s music was rock oriented as well as pop and so forth. RS isn’t the only one either, there’s a rock website selling his musical, so go figure.

    The weird thing is that people are actually buying the Ten Commandments Musical — I believe it is for the Adam slave scene, but really, aside from Adam’s one song, it’s really terrible.

    Queen is considered to be one of the greatest rock bands of all time, and many people consider Freddy Mercury to be the greatest rock frontman of all time. Adam is not as talented as Freddy — who is? — but he is more similar to Freddy than anyone else. Anyone who can perform WLL like Adam does is a rock star in my book.

    And isn’t Muse rock music? It sure isn’t pop.

  175. “True perhaps, but I was alluding to the notion that somehow having a background in musical theater and a glam garage band on the side is acceptable substitute ‘rock’  experience to what guys who have been writing and releasing music and playing shows for more than a decade have been doing, since the time they were in high school.”

    So let me get this straight. What you’re saying is that Adam hasn’t paid the dues that YOU deem necessary to be labeled a rock star, so is therefore unworthy of that title? I cannot disagree more.

    “Well Adam has been in musical theater, a rock/glam band, written music and has been playing shows for more than a decade since high school”

    Yes, Jericho, exactly. Why is this not a viable path to rock stardom??? Adam’s voice alone makes him a ROCK STAR in my book. His seasoned performance style only sweetens the deal. Having to follow anyones “Road to Rock Stardom” rule book is just silly IMO.

  176. Adam’s an outstanding singer. But, don’t try to make the case that his background is a rock one.

    His recent background is a rock one. The length of his experience is irrelevant.

  177. True perhaps, but I was alluding to the notion that somehow having a background in musical theater and a glam garage band on the side is acceptable substitute ‘rock’  experience to what guys who have been writing and releasing music and playing shows for more than a decade have been doing, since the time they were in high school

    Maybe I’m just strange, but I don’t care how long they’ve been singing rock music, I care how well they sing rock music.

  178. Here a couple of gifs that I think are from last night’s show. Is the Kradam dance during Hey Jude a new thing?

    I wonder what’s going to happen to this Kradam thing when the tour ends and it becomes apparent that Adam and Kris are NOT “one entity!!1!!!1!”. Maybe they aren’t even BFFs!!!1!!1!

    I predict therapists somewhere will be able to afford an upgrade in lifestyle.

  179. lol, Kradam shippers are much more intelligent than your average teenage fangirl, from what I see over at ontd_ai. I don’t think any of them actually believe Adam and Kris are an item, but it’s fun to ship anyway. ~

  180. So let me get this straight. What you’re saying is that Adam hasn’t paid the dues that YOU deem necessary to be labeled a rock star, so is therefore unworthy of that title? I cannot disagree more.

    He can be labeled a “star”, but not a ROCK star. Now, a pop star? Sure. Pop music has been maufacturing “stars” a long time before Idol came along.

    Maybe I’m just strange, but I don’t care how long they’ve been singing rock music, I care how well they sing rock music.

    Well, in that case, this is mileage, but he doesn’t sing rock music well either, unless hair band music is about to make a comeback that I’m unaware of. As a singer in general, Adam sings very well. But, as a so-called “rock singer”, he doesn’t have the voice for any kind of rock music which has any contemporary relelvance.

    His recent background is a rock one. The length of his experience is irrelevant.

    Wow! First, length of experience is very relevant. Second, Adam’s recent background isn’t rock. Singing classic-rock covers on a reality karaoke contest is not a “background”.

  181. Ummmm For myself and it is just me. I would like to see an actual album of Adam’s before I call him a rock star. Maybe I am to picky though.

  182. He can be labeled a ‘star’ , but not a ROCK star. Pop star? Sure. pop music has been maufacturing ‘stars’  a long time before Idol came along.

    As of right now he is only a reality TV star.Time can only anwser the rest.

  183. Ummmm For myself and it is just me. I would like to see an actual album of Adam’s before I call him a rock star. Maybe I am to picky though.

    LOL Yes. I’m thinking maybe we let Adam actually DO something, before deciding what kind of star he may or may not be.

  184. You’re not too picky at all. So would I, but I don’t think it’s a big deal what people want to call him.

  185. Rock….no one has ever given me a definitive definition of what this means in the context of music. Here is a song on an album that stayed in the top 200 on Billboard for 741 weeks, that is over 14 years. And it is by one of the greatest rock bands, IMHO of all time.

    Great Gig in the Sky, Dark Side of the Moon, Pink Floyd, 1973. And the album is still selling today and kids hear it and buy it. And this particular song…though done by a female could just as easily be covered by Adam.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAydj4OJnwQ

    So I totally do not understand how people can say his voice and the way he uses it can’t be considered Rock and that he doesn’t have the potential to be a Rockstar….and I can come up with a hundred more examples just like this.

  186. RCA only signs the artist. The band members are then paid by the artist. TPTB have a say in who will be in the band, but I think this is pretty much left up to the artist unless someone is a bad musician. At this point DC is a solo act with touring musicians. I don’t know what plans are in his future.

  187. I think Adam is actually first in many things…the first real rock star from AI, the first rock star who doesn’t play an instrument other than Joe Jonas.

    The first point is definitely mileage, and even though I’m a Cook fan through and through, I’d give this one to Daughtry. As for the Joe Jonas comparison… um, I got nothing.

  188. Well, since Megan’s mom decided to do the contest for Megan’s fans, I think she should be allowed to make the prize anything she wants. Her intentions were pretty clear. And, what people wrote was supposed to be why they wanted to meet Megan. It’s not her fault for being naive or picking the wrong prize. It’s the winners fault for being a huge liar. And, a complete asshole.

    A kid said her father died in the war overseas to get Hannah Montana tickets, I think that trumps this. Yeah it was shitty I don’t deny that but not everyone is honest and people will do crazy things to meet their idol, and Megan’s mom was being naive to trust millions of people to be honest.

  189. Great Gig in the Sky, Dark Side of the Moon, Pink Floyd, 1973.

    Well if the test for being a rock star is being able to sing a rock song then I guess all the singers in Broadways Rock of Ages are rock stars. Just following the logic. Isn’t there a former Idol among the cast?

  190. Ummmm For myself and it is just me. I would like to see an actual album of Adam’s before I call him a rock star. Maybe I am to picky though.

    Hi album isn’t going to be 100% rock, people who are expecting that will be disappointed. To Adam the term ‘rock star’ isn’t used as a literal ‘rock star’ he should probably say ‘singing star’ for those who are expecting him to come out wailing on a guitar or something or coming on stage grunged out. From my interpretation his usage of ‘rock star’ just means ‘star’.

  191. As for the Joe Jonas comparison’ ¦ um, I got nothing.

    I’m not sure of what any of the Jonas brothers actually are. But, I’m 100% certain that none of them is a rock star.

  192. noctem seizure

    Being a rock star is just as much about attitude as it is about vocal chops and experience.

    And this sentence captures exactly what is so very wrong about so much of music today’ ¦.

    I remember when mentoring for AI, Slash said rock was a life style. I think attitude is one of the major components of one’s life style. Of cause you may said Slash or his opinion in rock is not contemporary relevance.

  193. Rolling Stone calling Adam the first real rock star is as much as their opinion as that tour review saying DC outclassed everyone is. It’s an opinion. Just because it’s Rolling Stone doesn’t make a statement like that fact. Hell I consider Bo Bice more rock than Adam, but of course that’s my opinion.

  194. Hell I consider Bo Bice more rock than Adam, but of course that’s my opinion.

    Bo is definitely rock. Southern rock just isn’t very commercial which explains why he’s the least commercially successful of the three main “rockers” Idol has produced. But, factoring in singing, performing, playing, and writing, he may be more talented overall than the other two. (In fact, you could make an argument that he’s the most all-around talented Idol overall ever. His WNTS season average was unbelievable, considering how many performances they had to give that year)….

  195. Well if the test for being a rock star is being able to sing a rock song then I guess all the singers in Broadways Rock of Ages are rock stars. Just following the logic. Isn’t there a former Idol among the cast?

    Maybe they can rock, but shouldn’t they also be considered as a Star to fit in the ‘rockstar’ species?

  196. A kid said her father died in the war overseas to get Hannah Montana tickets, I think that trumps this. Yeah it was shitty I don’t deny that but not everyone is honest and people will do crazy things to meet their idol, and Megan’s mom was being naive to trust millions of people to be honest.

    Well, yeah that is by far a more disgusting lie. However, that was a kid and this particular falsehood was perpetrated by a grown woman with children of her own. I hold grown-ups to a little higher stander.

    Sure Megan’s mom was naive not to know just how deep the crazy runs in the hardcore AI fanbases. But, that does not in any way excuse the idiot of a woman for taking advantage of Megan’s mom’s naivete.

  197. It’s not just the idol fanbase in this case. If any opening act tried to give out backstage passes in the same way, I can guarantee you that a majority of the entrants would be more interested in meeting the main act.

  198. He can be labeled a ‘star’ , but not a ROCK star. Now, a pop star? Sure. Pop music has been maufacturing ‘stars’  a long time before Idol came along.

    I’m so glad that someone already thinks Adam as a pop star!! As a big Adam fan as I think myself is, I don’t think he’s already a star.

  199. Hey yea you are right I have not thought of it like that they are “rockstarus broadwayacus” a subspecies of rock star.

  200. I’m so glad that someone already thinks Adam as a pop star!! As a big Adam fan as I think myself is, I don’t think he’s already a star.

    Right now none of them are stars – they are only celebrities and for some that titles may not last past this tour.

  201. Well if the test for being a rock star is being able to sing a rock song

    That isn’t what I was saying at all….the type of “songs” and the genre of “rock” is so damn vague that the term has absolutely no meaning other than being totally totally generic. A rockstar by some people’s definition are singers in a band who stomp and scream and make noise. Others see a rock star as anyone who sings in a band with 2 guitars, a bass, and a set of drums. Other’s think of a rockstar is anyone who can command a concert stage and isn’t country.

    What I am saying is that the damn term is so vague and generic that it has no meaning.And that “rock” by definition is all in the ears of the listener. And I am saying that by descriptions on this thread bands like Pink Floyd would not be considered rock because they don’t sound anything like the insipid stuff that a Daughtry or a Cook do who people classify as rock.

    So to say that Adam doesn’t have the potential to be a Rockstar is positively ludicrous. He may not get there, his album may tank and he may float off into oblivion but by many many people’s definition the term is being properly used.

  202. The thing is Tess people hear ‘rock star’ and they think, straggly hair, gravel voice singer, strumming a guitar while smoking a cigarette and wearing a Harley jacket…

    ETA: oh and they have to be covered in tattoos and appear unwashed.

  203. Personally I don’t think Adam even wanted to be labeled, but I think if he were it would have to be something totally new to describe his awesomeness, and for his music maybe it can be labeled as Fusion from what he keeps sayin. Maybe he’ll create something new, I hope so.

  204. I personally think the best rock group was Queen and the best rock singer was Freddie Mercury. He could sing anything and so can Adam Lambert.

  205. I really don’t see Adam as a rock singer. He’s a pop guy to me, and that’s not a shot at him. I think the only reason people even consider him rock is because he tries to dress like one and has the wail down pat. I’m not calling him a poser, btw. So I hope people don’t dub me an “Adam Hater” yet again just because I don’t think he’s a rockstar.

    Guys like Bo, Chris, and David just come off as more authentic real rock musicians. YMMV.

  206. Pink Floyd put out 14 albums and I bet they wrote the music in them all. It is ludicrous to think that I would not think that they are a rock band. I am sorry you think that David Cooks songs are insipid but I would bet you have not listened to them all. The reason I don’t think that Adam is a rock star is because he has not done anything yet, no rock album, no writing credit. So if he is capable of putting out an album anywhere near as good as David Cook or 1/10 as good as Pink Floyd I might reconsider.

  207. Did I miss something? Since when is Joe Jonas a rock star? Pop star for the tween crowd, sure. Rock star? Um, no.

    The Jonas Brothers are not considered rock.

  208. I’m so glad that someone already thinks Adam as a pop star!! As a big Adam fan as I think myself is, I don’t think he’s already a star.

    Time magazine said he’s a star. If Time magazine says someone is a star does that make them one? If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, does it make a sound?

  209. STAN – stalking fan

    Kinda, but not really. It’s a reference to Eminem’s song, Stan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_(song) So it’s not really a stalking fan, as much as obsessive overall and crazy one.

    And stan as used on places like ontd_ai is a term to denote a fantard and poking fun at themselves for being so fantardy. So calling oneself a “stan,” just means you dig them the most. Like I am an Adam stan, and Kris fan. I like Kris, but I don’t like him the most of the idols and won’t flail my muppet arms for him the way I may for Adam. Uh, not that I do for Adam. Uh not. Just using that as an example.

  210. Did I miss something? Since when is Joe Jonas a rock star? Pop star for the tween crowd, sure. Rock star? Um, no.

    The Jonas Brothers are not considered rock.

    I don’t even know why they are stars, but maybe I’m just to old to understand their appeal.

  211. Girlygirl: Thanks for all the great Kris links you always come up with!

  212. The thing is Tess people hear ‘rock star’ and they think, straggly hair, gravel voice singer, strumming a guitar while smoking a cigarette and wearing a Harley jacket’ ¦

    ETA: oh and they have to be covered in tattoos and appear unwashed.

    No, people hear “rock” (the “star” part is immaterial) and they think “authenticity” and “paying your dues”, not using the equivalent of a paint-by-numbers approach to obtaining a professional career as a “rock” singer.

    I remember when mentoring for AI, Slash said rock was a life style. I think attitude is one of the major components of one’s life style. Of cause you may said Slash or his opinion in rock is not contemporary relevance.

    Well, first, Slash was that week’s mentor. What do you think he was going to say– have fun kids, but you karaoke singers wouldn’t have a prayer of ever becoming real rock artists?

    Second, Slash came on the scene in the 80s hairband era when smashing hotel rooms and swilling Jack Daniels was still almost as big a component of “rock authenticity” as the music itself. Thankfully, grunge came along in the 90s and disabused the world of the notion that being a rockstar was about “image” and, also, sent the majority of those glam-metal boys into a better-late-than-never career retirement.

  213. Since when is Joe Jonas a rock star? Pop star for the tween crowd, sure. Rock star? Um, no.

    The Jonas Brothers are not considered rock.

    But they made the cover of the Rolling Stone and according to Shel Silverstein (of “Where the Sidewalk Ends”, “The Giving Tree” and “Cover of the Rolling Stone” fame) getting on the cover of the Rolling Stone is the quest of all successful rock bands.

    Some people think so-and-so is a rock star. Some disagree. I don’t think the twain will ever meet until there is new evidence. Personally, I don’t think he is a rock star now (I would expect some spins on rock radio for somebody to be a rock star) and from the way he describes his album, he is unlikely to be one in the future. That said, I don’t think it matters in the least. You can be successful without being a rock star, so I’m not sure what the issue is.

    In other news, Madonna was inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of fame last year, so the definition of Rock seems to be rather vague (unless she represents the Roll side of Rock and Roll).

  214. True perhaps, but I was alluding to the notion that somehow having a background in musical theater and a glam garage band on the side is acceptable substitute ‘rock’  experience to what guys who have been writing and releasing music and playing shows for more than a decade have been doing, since the time they were in high school.

    This doesn’t make any sense to me. I don’t believe there are rules for admission for Rock Star status – it all up to the performer and his/her fans.

    To me, a rock star is someone that is the ‘best of the best’ , the ‘master of his/her domain’ . A trendsetter. Someone who knows they are a rockstar.

    But in it’s most literal form, you need to be 1. a star and 2. perform rock music:

    1. Is Adam a star?

    If a star is a artistic performer whose leading role or superior performance is acknowledged, who is highly celebrated in a field or profession, who is the center of attention, who fans will drive hundreds of miles to see, and who even has some fan who worship them.

    Then I say Adam is not there yet and need to first prove he can produce a great album (no small thing) and he needs to headline his own major tour.

    2. Does Adam perform rock music?

    In the beginning, Rock & Roll was about sex and I still think it is today. I love this definition, “Rock is sexual energy expressed in sound.” A few examples:

    Elvis – “All Shook Up”
    Jagger/Rolling Stones – “Play with Fire”
    Jimi Hendrix – “Foxy Lady”
    Ledd Zeppelin – “Whole Lotta Love”
    Kidd Rock, Aerosmith, Van Halen, Nine Inch Nails, Prince, James Brown, Pink Floyd, Radiohead, Muse, and so on

    If Rock is “sexual energy expressed in sound” than what Adam does is Rock music. And anyone who can perform WLL like that is one hell of a rock musician. (And yes, vocalists are rock musicians and voice is an instrument.)

    Is Adam a Rock Star? Not yet. But IMO he does not need a high school rock band membership cardto be one.

  215. So by some of the comments no one from AI can be considered a rockstar because their fame came via a tv contest… okay

  216. I too am a little warry to say Adam is a rockstar, simply because it doesn’t seem like he wants to do a rock album.
    Working with Ryan Tedder or Redone seems to indicate he wants a pop sound, something he said in his interviews too.

    If Adam wanted to go in the direction of something with an electronic sound I would have prefered something along the lines of Goldfrapp, Phoenix or Radiohead, bands I actually listen to instead of Lady Gaga or Katy Perry.

    Of course this is all speculation since I have absolutely no clue what he is cooking behind the gates right now

  217. A rockstar by some people’s definition are singers in a band who stomp and scream and make noise. Others see a rock star as anyone who sings in a band with 2 guitars, a bass, and a set of drums.

    That’s what most people I know define “rock,” as–when they find time to talk about music labels at all, that is.

    Anyhow, if that’s the mainstream definition of “rock” now, I’m glad Adam doesn’t qualify.

  218. I think Adam is actually first in many things. The first singer to come out before debut album, the first real rock star from AI, the first rock star who doesn’t play an instrument other than Joe Jonas.

    I will not repeat the long list of rock stars that didn’t play instruments — it is an old discussion that was beat into the ground several weeks ago — but the list is long. Check Wiki.

    Joe Jonas doesn’t do rock IMO.

  219. “Well, yeah that is by far a more disgusting lie. However, that was a kid and this particular falsehood was perpetrated by a grown woman with children of her own. I hold grown-ups to a little higher stander.

    Sure Megan’s mom was naive not to know just how deep the crazy runs in the hardcore AI fanbases. But, that does not in any way excuse the idiot of a woman for taking advantage of Megan’s mom’s naivete.”

    From what the woman has explained, her 12 yr old daughter is a super Megan fan . I think it’s safe to say family members can have different idols as their fav. for instance Adam is my fav but my daughter’s fav is kris. if kris’s mum had such a contest wld it be wrong for us to try to win it for my daughter to meet her idol?. they entered the contest for her daughter and won. i don’t see anything wrong with that. and her daughter had a blast meeting megan last night. In the end she didn’t get to see Adam cos he was not there.

  220. “The thing is Tess people hear ‘rock star’ and they think, straggly hair, gravel voice singer, strumming a guitar while smoking a cigarette and wearing a Harley jacket’ ¦

    ETA: oh and they have to be covered in tattoos and appear unwashed.

    wait you mean to tell me they arent in fact unwashed?!?! I think i’ve been misinformed all these years.

    ETA: RS loves the Jonas Brothers. I guess they are credible rock stars too. Adam should fit right in.

    GO GIT EM RAWK STAH!

  221. Just saw those pictures Daniel took.

    Kris’s dad just made me laugh really loud in front of my sleeping nephew.

    The picture of Kris and (I assume) Alexis, right? Dang, Kris looks like he’s got a big ol’ head and his body is struggling to carry it, and Alexis is super small too. But it’s a cool picture. Pretty endearing.

    Megan’s face is heavily made up. She pulls that off. I would propose marriage to her.

    Love the pictures of Katy with Daniel and Kris’s mom with Adam.

    Glad Kris gets a day off.

  222. I don’t think you can call any of the Idols a “star” until they come out with their album and hit the real world musically. And I just feel bad for Adam with these insanely high expectations… it’s been mentioned before that evvverrry year someone on Idol is going to change music, etc., etc. And it just doesn’t happen. Could Adam be a star? I’d think so, with his range and charisma. I think he has great, great potential to be a huge star and I think it’ll take mismanagement or poor choices in his album/songs to prevent him from doing that.

    I happen to be a big ol’ Cookie fan but I really like Adam quite a bit, and I find his voice and his talent to be phenomenal. But I do not think, however, that his first Idol-produced album will propel him to be the next Freddy Mercury. Time will tell. I just don’t ever remember the expectations outside the Idol fan bubble being so high for someone and whew, that’s some kind of pressure.

    Ah, how I remember last summer angsting about Cookie’s album… hence, again, my unwillingness to get overly invested in anyone this year! It’s actually kinda nice… I like a bunch of them (Matt, Kris, Allison, Anoop, Adam) and can just enjoy it without having Google alerts sent to me on each of them (haha, yeah, I still have one for Cookie).

  223. So by some of the comments no one from AI can be considered a rockstar because their fame came via a tv contest’ ¦ okay

    I wouldn’t consider anyone from AI a bonafied rockstar, no. DAUGHTRY is/ are pop rock star/ stars. Cook is a pop rock… act or artist, whatever you want to call him (not a star at this point). But, neither one of them is starring as a bonafied rock act, so for that reason they can’t be called “rock stars”.

    On a separate point, it’s true that both of those guys only “made it” via exposure from a television contest, but I have more tolerance for them as rocker-aspirants because they were their teeth as local rock artists before they tried out for AI. They decided to give the Idol route a shot, and it worked out for them, but they had years of experience playing dive-shows in local bands before they ever auditioned.

    And had they been cut in their audition on a Friday, you can believe they’d have gone home and played a dive gig on Saturday. Because that’s what local rock artists do.

  224. When I listen to someone’s music, I don’t label the singer as rock, pop star, ballader or what have you. I am usually after the singer’s voice, the song melody and personal song interpretation. I don’t care whether Adam is a rock star or not as long as he delivers.

  225. Also, in all seriousness, is Adam really going to do rock music? I have no doubt he *could*, he has vocals that could do about anything… but he doesn’t strike me as leaning that way in his main vocal interests? That’s a serious question, not a diss at all, because as I said ^^^ his vocals just blow me away and I actually really like the kid!

  226. I can’t say what makes someone a rock star because I do not like rock music at all. I do agree with whoever said that Adam is a reality tv star. He hasn’t done anything to be anything else. I would say at this point he is like Paris Hilton, Kim, and Heidi except he actually has talent. Who knows if he will become a star as a recording artist.

  227. When I listen to someone’s music, I don’t label the singer as rock, pop star, ballader or what have you. I am usually after the singer’s voice, the song melody and personal song interpretation. I don’t care whether Adam is a rock star or not as long as he delivers.

    I think that’s how Adam views music too, which is nice because I completely agree.

    My expectations aren’t high for the first album, however. What really matters is standing the test of time– so the sophomore album is what really will define the direction his career will go.

  228. Thanks to everyone for one of the most amusing AI threads in quite some time.

  229. Noctem you confuse. Is it just the title you are opposed to or do you consider all of the work Adam has done, via the stage, Zodiac, Upright Cafe and Citizen Vein, and other stuff we are not aware of, as slacking off, not cutting his teeth in the industry?

  230. If you read the David Cook article he talks about labels at the end and it kind of makes our discussion seem insipid. LOL and he also complements Kris and Adam.

  231. Rolling Stone calling Adam the first real rock star is as much as their opinion as that tour review saying DC outclassed everyone is. It’s an opinion. Just because it’s Rolling Stone doesn’t make a statement like that fact. Hell I consider Bo Bice more rock than Adam, but of course that’s my opinion.

    But is the first real rock singer on Idol, but he never became a star. I saw in live in a small venue and he’s pretty talented but lacks charisma.

    Daughtry had the real potential to be the first Idol Rockstar, but his latest album doesn’t really show that he’s on that path. But he still could show he’s got some really brilliance.

    Cook could actually turn out to be the first Idol Rockstar. But then all hinges on producing a great second album and moving up to larger venues. I don’t even know if this is what he wants to do.

    IMO the jury is out for Adam. Can he produce even a good album or will he end up doing the best show in Vegas? I think that Adam is the first Idol to actually have what it takes to be a Rockstar — musically gifted, vocally distinctive, potential trend setter, charismic, knows how to rule the stage and command the arena, and knows who to work with/lead talented people. He also has really interesting, good taste in music – Muse, Goldfrapp, Sam Sparro … (I want to read what is on his iPod).

    The thing is Tess people hear ‘rock star’ and they think, straggly hair, gravel voice singer, strumming a guitar while smoking a cigarette and wearing a Harley jacket’ ¦
    ETA: oh and they have to be covered in tattoos and appear unwashed.

    Adam’s got a tat. And the Harley jacket would be OK. But I guess this means we’re never going to have a gay rockstar! LOL

    Sherena
    Jul 30th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
    Oh God. Is it that big of a deal what music genre he is labeled as? Adam has already said he doesn’t care about what shelf his CD is put on. You can call him whatever kind of star or singer that you like. What is this obsession with labels.

    Officially the BEST and WISEST comment on this entire thread!! :clap_tb:

  232. IMVHO, Adam is not a Rock Star, but he did play one on TV. ;)

    I dont know why, but this comment has me laughing uncontrollably.=

  233. IMVHO, Adam is not a Rock Star, but he did play one on TV. ;)

    HA! I don’t care what the heck he is, just produce an album I can groove too.

  234. Oh people, please! didn’t you listen to the wise 4th judge, Kara “No Boundaries” DioGuardi: Adam is NOT a Rockstar, Adam is a Rock Gawwwwdddd!!!!

  235. Personally I don’t think Adam even wanted to be labeled,

    Nope. Adam said in many interviews he hates labels. Personally, I do too. Its so 20th century. :)

  236. tierbee Jul 30th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    Also, in all seriousness, is Adam really going to do rock music? I have no doubt he *could*, he has vocals that could do about anything’ ¦ but he doesn’t strike me as leaning that way in his main vocal interests? That’s a serious question, not a diss at all, because as I said ^^^ his vocals just blow me away and I actually really like the kid!

    I don’t believe his music will be all rock, I think he will be more dance than anything. He said the ‘Let’s Dance’ part of his Bowie medley is part of the sound he is going for.

  237. I don’t care what you label Adam as….a Rockstar, a popstar or none of the above. All I know is the first time I saw Adam perform he awakened an excitement in me that had been dormant for a long time. It has been a long time since I have been this obsessed with anyone. There seems to be thousands and thousands of others that feel the same way. All I am asking from Adam from his first cd, is please keep that excitement in me alive. If you do, I am yours for life.

  238. If you read the David Cook article he talks about labels at the end

    That would be this:

    People seem to have a tendency to put things in boxes and put titles and labels on everything. It’s just exhausting to try and keep up. So for me, if they want to call me David Cook, if they want to call me ‘American Idol David Cook,’ if they want to call me ‘That jerk David Cook,’ I mean, I guess as long as they’re talking about me, I’m alright.

    Thanks, 123abc456. Another good DC article.

  239. Adam isn’t sure what his album is going to consist of, so how can *we* know? He has mentioned pop, rock, electronica, and dance, amongst other genres. He has several producers working with him, but hasn’t settled on any songs (and he is co-writing several tracks, and since when is *just* singing a problem?).

    I want to it to be good. I don’t care what it’s called. The genre OR the title of the album.

    Oh, and as usual, Cook FTW.

  240. If Rock is ‘sexual energy expressed in sound’  than what Adam does is Rock music. And anyone who can perform WLL like that is one hell of a rock musician

    Ok, my girlfriend gets hot listening to Usher. Does that mean he’s a rocker too? Why not? If Pink boldfacedly sings that she’s a rockstar (and she’s got “rock moves”!), then, hey, anybody can be one. And I have an aunt who has some creepy feelings about Placido Domingo. Maybe he “parties like a rock star”?

    And, for the last time, singing credible, sound-alike covers does not make one rock. Unless Wayne Brady is rock now too….

    What I am saying is that the damn term is so vague and generic that it has no meaning.And that ‘rock’  by definition is all in the ears of the listener. And I am saying that by descriptions on this thread bands like Pink Floyd would not be considered rock because they don’t sound anything like the insipid stuff that a Daughtry or a Cook do who people classify as rock.

    No, not all rock sounds like Daughtry or Cook– who actually sound very little like each other. But, if you think they do sound alike, then you betray the fact that you listen to very little contemporary rock, or in their case “rockish” music, at all, not just very little of Daughtry and Cook’s music.

    And, yes, rock is quite a broad category. It includes everything from a post-grunge sound to the White Stripes to Coldplay to others. But, it does not include people who might as well have watched a “How To Become A Rockstar” instructional DVD at home for all the time they’ve put into it.

    I have no problem if people think a longtime theater boi who has had some other eclectic musical dabllings is the biggest star and best singer evuh (even if I disagree because, while I find his voice is tunefully perfect, it’s tonally unpleasant). But, I taste bile when I read people honestly maintain that a queue-jumping, singing stage actor warrants the designation of rock artist.

    In other news, Madonna was inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of fame last year, so the definition of Rock seems to be rather vague (unless she represents the Roll side of Rock and Roll).

    Kirsten, come on. “Rock and roll” in this sense of the term, is used to denote all popular, secular music from any genre. I don’t believe there is an actual R&B HOF, a disco HOF, etc….

  241. Thanks, 123abc456! Another good DC article – still on my post-Birchmere show high so enjoyed that ;) !

  242. People seem to have a tendency to put things in boxes and put titles and labels on everything. It’s just exhausting to try and keep up. So for me, if they want to call me David Cook, if they want to call me ‘American Idol David Cook,’ if they want to call me ‘That jerk David Cook,’ I mean, I guess as long as they’re talking about me, I’m alright.

    David was always a smart Cookie ;p

    He really gives great interviews. David, Adam and Bo have been the best AI alums when it comes to interviews. They give you more answers and less umms and huhs.

  243. Kirsten, come on. ‘Rock and roll’  in this sense of the term, is used to denote all popular, secular music from any genre. I don’t believe there is a R&B HOF, a disco HOF etc’ ¦.

    She still doesn’t belong there, IMO. They don’t put curlers in the Baseball Hall of Fame just because there is no Curling Hall of Fame. The R&R Hall of Fame lost all credibility for me when they did that. Clearly, they just want draw the crowds. Which is fine (they are in it to make money), but it has little to do with R&R. They might as well be the Cleveland version of Mdme Tussauds.

    (Yes, I know there really is a Curling Hall of Fame, but I’m just trying to make a point. There is probably a Disco Hall of Fame in some rinky-dink town in New Jersey, too).

  244. Didn’t we have this “Adam is/isn’t a rock star months ago???????”

  245. Coldplay is rock?

    LOL. According to Rolling Stone. When Chris Martin made the cover, Rolling Stone captioned it “Coldplay’s Chris Martin – Confessions of an Anxious Rock God”

  246. Noctem you confuse. Is it just the title you are opposed to or do you consider all of the work Adam has done, via the stage, Zodiac, Upright Cafe and Citizen Vein, and other stuff we are not aware of, as slacking off, not cutting his teeth in the industry?

    I think he definitely has put significant time into his musical career– just not in rock. I don’t have a problem with pre-fab pop stars. Prefabrication has always been the essence of pop music. But, I do have a problem with the concept of “pre-fab rockstars”. But, I give Daughtry and Cook a pass because they were doing what they were doing for a very longtime before they ever tried out for American Idol.

    If you read the David Cook article he talks about labels at the end and it kind of makes our discussion seem insipid.

    From the way Cook is describing his concept for his second album, I may be ready to concede bonafied “rock” status to him at that point (not that I’m the arbiter). Avenged Sevenfold meets Ben-Folds-Five? That has the potential to be some artistically superior shit.

    Unfortunately, it also means that it’s commercially doomed, and on his third album, he’ll be relegated to selling his artistically superior music through his Myspace. (Actually, it means RCA will probably never let the second album, as he envisions it, out of the studio)….

  247. STAN – stalking fan

    Kinda, but not really. It’s a reference to Eminem’s song, Stan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_(song) So it’s not really a stalking fan, as much as obsessive overall and crazy one.

    And stan as used on places like ontd_ai is a term to denote a fantard and poking fun at themselves for being so fantardy. So calling oneself a ‘stan,’  just means you dig them the most. Like I am an Adam stan, and Kris fan. I like Kris, but I don’t like him the most of the idols and won’t flail my muppet arms for him the way I may for Adam. Uh, not that I do for Adam. Uh not. Just using that as an example.

    It has different meanings depending on where you are. It first started showing up in online chat in 2003, in all caps (STAN) derived from STalking fAN. And not directly linked to the name Stan used in Eminem’s song about an obsessed fan. (After this came up yesterday, I actually researched it because the coincidence is so odd. There are actually people who have put significant effort into researching this slang term’s origin. I was shocked!)

    I agree on ONTD_AI, they turned it into a fangirl/fanguy level. They redefine a lot of things there. But even in the ONTD world, it’s not OK to call someone a stan, unless they have already stated they are one. But in most online communities, it still means Stalking Fan.

    Here’s the Urban Dictionary definition of “stan” that is close to what it is in most online communities:

    An overobsessed fan to the point of following a star around.

    It is formed from the words stalker and fan.

    Stalker fan = stan.
    I’m trying to watch a Amerie video and all of these Beyonce stans keep saying “Amerie sucks, Beyonce’s better.”

    And from internetslang.com:

    STAN Definition / STAN Means
    The definition of STAN is “Stalker Fan”

    http://www.internetslang.com/STAN.asp

    Finally, on the South Park fan sites, it means someone who has a personality like the character Stan — is rational. And is usually a compliment!

  248. IMVHO, Adam is not a Rock Star, but he did play one on TV. ;)

    :jittery_tb:

    And on the stage now, too!

  249. Unless Wayne Brady is rock now too’ ¦.

    :) he might be to his 5 fans (btw, good one)

  250. Thank you girlygirl for the Kris interview. Interesting that Brian May wrote the word ‘Kill’ after Kris name and his signature on the autograph Kris was asking him. I do think he liked Kris.

    On the ‘rock star or not’ Adam’s thread:

    Was he a rock start before? No
    Is he actually a rock star? Yes! Duration, background are not relevant in my opinion. It’s what he’s doing at the moment..
    Will he remain a rock star? Maybe but will be nevertheless a star in whatever genre he will go

  251. Well, what else would you call their music?

    Also, Coldplay just won a grammy for best rock artist or album didn’t they? And didn’t Chris Martin even poke fun at the fact that they were rock, but definitely soft rock? I think he called it limestone rock or something?

  252. Another little write up on David Cook: http://phillyist.com/2009/07/30/phillyist_playlist_david_cook.php

    Ack, I’ve posted more today than I have since I registered. Thanks again, 123abc456! This:

    Cook’s success may be attributed to the in-through-the-back-door success of Idol but upon listening to the album produced before he was on the show, this Phillyist concludes that he would have probably been discovered sooner or later.

    Just makes me so happy. An acknowledgement of Analog Heart, and the fact that it’s good.

    Also, tierbee, I’m on that same high. I finally saw DC last Saturday for the first time. Must see again, somehow.

  253. Hell I consider Bo Bice more rock than Adam, but of course that’s my opinion.

    agree…. it seems reporters, judges and the viewing audience have a short term memory when it comes to this stuff….Bice, in my opinion, is the real AI rocker whereas Cook/Daughtry are soft/light rock . I see Adam as pop. His WLL performance is awesome and very well sung…but its more of an “act”. Not surprising considering his background.

  254. Well, what else would you call their music?

    Also, Coldplay just won a grammy for best rock artist or album didn’t they? And didn’t Chris Martin even poke fun at the fact that they were rock, but definitely soft rock? I think he called it limestone rock or something?

    I’m not a fan so fans may not like to hear what I call them. But speaking of Chris Martin, I guess he can take the title of ‘rock diva’ :tongue3_tb:

  255. But, I taste bile when I read people honestly maintain that a queue-jumping, singing stage actor warrants the designation of rock artist.

    Dial back the anger and the condescension Noctem, or I start deleting your posts.

  256. Bice, in my opinion, is the real AI rocker whereas Cook/Daughtry are soft/light rock . I see Adam as pop

    I see Adam’s musical identity as a fusion of genres, which is what I love about it. His persona though, fits very well into pop culture.

  257. No, not all rock sounds like Daughtry or Cook’“ who actually sound very little like each other. But, if you think they do sound alike, then you betray the fact that you listen to very little contemporary rock, or in their case ‘rockish’  music, at all, not just very little of Daughtry and Cook’s music.

    I agree with your classification of “rockish” for Daughtry and Cook. Many people who know a lot about music classify both Daughtry and Cook as primarily alternative rock, post-grunge “chick rock” and think that they are similar. Personally, I think they sound different but there is a whole lot more in the contemporary rock spectrum than Daughtry to Cook — that represents a very small slice of the current rock music.

    What is rock? Here the 2008 Rolling Stone readers poll of the best Rock Albums of 2008, and for the most part these are really rock albums:

    1. The Killers – Day & Age
    2. Coldplay – Viva La Vida
    3. Kings of Leon – Only By the Night
    4. MGMT – Oracular Spectacular
    5. Guns n’ Roses – Chinese Democracy
    6. TV on the Radio – Dear Science
    7. My Morning Jacket – Evil Urges
    8. Vampire Weekend – Vampire Weekend
    9. The Raconteurs – Consolers of the Lonely
    10. R.E.M. – Accelerate
    11. Beck – Modern Guilt
    12. Death Cab For Cutie – Narrow Stairs
    13. Kanye West – 808s & Heartbreak
    14. Metallica – Death Magnetic
    15. Nine Inch Nails – The Slip
    16. Fleet Foxes – Fleet Foxes
    17. Portishead – Third
    18. Jenny Lewis – Acid Tongue
    19. Lil Wayne – Tha Carter III
    20. The Black Keys – Attack & Release
    21. The Mars Volta – Bedlam In Goliath
    22. Erykah Badu – New Amerykah: Part 1 (4th World War)
    23. Santogold – Santogold
    24. Weezer – The Red Album
    25. The Drive-by Truckers – Brighter Than Creation’s Dark
    26. Ryan Adams & the Cardinals – Cardinology
    27. Oasis – Dig Out Your Soul
    28. Girl Talk – Feed the Animals
    29. Bon Iver – For Emma, Forever Ago
    30. The Verve – Forth

    All I can say is these readers were at least smart enough to leave off Nickelback’s Dark Horse! The kings of “rockish” music!

  258. Dial back the anger and the condescension Noctem, or I start deleting your posts.

    There actually wasn’t any anger whatsoever. But, I plead guilty to the condescension part.

  259. Thanks 123abc46 for the new article about David Cook. It is too bad that he doesn’t sing TOML anymore. I really love that song sung by him. I don’t care he is rock star or in a band or not. I don’t even mind if he is a solo artist.

  260. Haven’t you (like me) watched every Youtube video of Adam you can find? Some of them are rock! some of them with his old band are other things … all great performances …

    But really who cares what he did before? What he’s doing now is being a ROCK GOD!!!

  261. Bo Bice is more rock than Adam, but Adam is not pop. That label just do not fit him.

    ETA: MGMT – Oracular Spectacular – if they are considered rock, why not Adam? btw I love them.

    ETAA: According to Q3s list rock is whatever it wants to be.

  262. Bice, in my opinion, is the real AI rocker whereas Cook/Daughtry are soft/light rock .

    totally agree… bice, for me, for you, for me, is the best ”rocker” idol has yet to produce… i am a lover of the southern rock genre, and bice was my pick to win it all in his season on idol… he just has that vibe about him that i find most appealing and authentic, and even when he sang songs out of his genre, there was no mistaking where his roots lay.. most southern rockers just have a certain blues and gospel underpinning in their vocal deliveries that i’ve always been drawn to, and bice just blew me away from his audition onward… i like the ”get down and dirty” grit and bluesy vocal stylings southern rockers like greg allman bring to the table, and bice for me has that same ability.. i hope he continues to play brand of rock music, and do what he loves, and regardless whether he gets the respect or commercial success some of these other ”rockers” borne from idol get, he will remain my fave and original rocker from idol always.

  263. Did Bo Bice get a contract from 19? If so, did he put out an album? If so, what happened to it and him?

  264. but Adam is not pop. That label just do not fit him.

    you’re right……how ’bout dance/pop? :)

    love MGMT, i look at them as alternative dance rock (is that even a category? LOL)

  265. I don’t know if Adam is going to do full out rock music. He seems more interested in fusing all kinds of genres, from pop to rock to electronic to house, etc.

    Right now, Adam isn’t a rock star or a pop star. How many people outside the universe of the AI fanbase really care that much about him? People who don’t follow AI may have heard of him, but that doesn’t mean they’ve ever heard or seen him perform or have any interest in doing so. If he’s going to be any kind of star in the music business, he’s going to have to attract people who don’t watch or care about AI.

    I also don’t know if he’s going to have any more credibility than David Cook or Chris Daughtry seem to have among “real rockers”. Just like everyone else who has come out of the AI bubble, he’s facing some real barriers in trying to prove himself

    Television has produced a bunch of teen idols/pop stars — from Ricky Nelson to the Monkees to David Cassidy and the Partridge family to Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers and the various AI peeps. Most of them had short-lived runs at the top of the music buisness, and all of them have struggled, in large part unsuccessfully, to be taken seriously by their peers. And none of them could be described as “rock stars”.

    Maybe Adam will be the exception to the rule. Or maybe Kris, will turn out to be the one to establish himself as a musician and gain respect and credibility from his peers (although it’s likely he’ll never be called a “rock star”). Or maybe Allison will be the one to achieve mega-success as a true rocker chick. Or maybe everyone from the AI8 bunch will flame out. It’s way too soon for me to even hazard a guess, although I’m hoping that Adam, Kris and Allison (and Matt) all have long, successful careers and be seen as credible musicians rather than just as survivors of a reality tv show.

  266. Maybe Adam will be the exception to the rule. Or maybe Kris, will turn out to be the one to establish himself as a musician and gain respect and credibility from his peers (although it’s likely he’ll never be called a ‘rock star’ ). Or maybe Allison

    nope…it will be Jorge …..and that will be the day the music dies

  267. I see Adam’s musical identity as a fusion of genres, which is what I love about it.

    And that’s the way the underground has been trending for awhile, as has a lot of mainstream music that has been going that way as well, more so lately.

    Rock as a genre is about as loose as pop, in my opinion. Any genre that can have so many acts under its umbrella and that many sub-genres is going to be, especially as music evolves.

    I honestly thought the rock star comment was about attitude and mindset more than just sound. Who was that from Rolling Stone that said that anyway? Sheffield? It’s amazing that he didn’t lament alternative 90’s music as well (which is the style Adam probably has the least connection with),.

    In regards to \m/ RAWK \m/ now — it hasn’t been the genre pushing the cultural buttons lately (I’d hand that over to hip hop until it went high-commercial, but I still love Lil Wayne–maybe catch-all pop will take over again). It’s so weird whenever people try and define rock. I still think of garage rock a la Billy Childish, but I am sure that is not most people’s definition, so whatever. I am terrible at labeling stuff anyway as my favorite artists tend to mesh all styles anyway. I tend to call everything pop now, just designate it indie or mainstream. lol Unless I am listening full on electro-dance, hip hop, country, musicals, classical or operas. That’s not pop.

    Anyway, Foxx gives great advice, but his song? Urgh. One of the worst songs of the year for me. I’d rather hear No Boundaries on repeat for 24 hours. Don’t care which version. Scott could re-record and I’d take it.

  268. Many of you are mentioning Bo Bice as the “real deal rocker” of AI. I don’t know much about him since I didn’t watch AI back then, so, I’m wondering– were his albums any good? Worth checking out? noctem seizure, you might be the expert opinion here.

  269. but Adam is not pop. That label just do not fit him.

    you’re right’ ¦’ ¦how ’bout dance/pop? :)

    love MGMT, i look at them as alternative dance rock (is that even a category? LOL)

    No I don’t think there is a alternative/dance/rock genre, but that’s a better fit for Adam than pop.

    ETA:

    nope’ ¦it will be Jorge ‘ ¦..and that will be the day the music dies

    Who?

    Bo Bice was AWESOME on idol. I really liked his first album and the song he did with Santana recently.

  270. I agree with your classification of ‘rockish’  for Daughtry and Cook. Many people who know a lot about music classify both Daughtry and Cook as primarily alternative rock, post-grunge ‘chick rock’  and think that they are similar. Personally, I think they sound different but there is a whole lot more in the contemporary rock spectrum than Daughtry to Cook ‘” that represents a very small slice of the current rock music.

    Both of them can justly be fit into the “mom rock” category, so they have commonality in that sense. But, I disagree that they’re both post-grunge. DAUGHTRY to me apes the post-grunge sound that has been very popular through the second half of this decade. Cook to me is much much more 90s and true-grunge-influenced (as opposed to post-grunge) and leans slightly toward alt-rock.

    I’m not vehemently defending the artistry of either’s output thus far. Both have produced solid, listenable albums, and Cook did exhibit a few moments of inspiration on his record. But, for the most part, they both are far from what you’d call ground-breaking at this point.

    So, I can’t condemn people who aren’t rock/ pop rock aficianados for not being able to detect significant differences between DAUGHTRY, David Cook, Lifehouse, Stain’d, Nickelback, Snow Patrol, etc. It does become annoying when professional reviewers can’t tell the music and artists apart, however, and it makes me believe their profession needs some new blood because they’ve succumbed to fuddy-duddyism (you know,– “These kids today and their rock and roll music …!”– that kind of attitude.)

    I understand that they think it all sucks, but that doesn’t mean it all sounds identical to each other. I feel especially sorry for Cook, who, to me, intentionally tried very hard NOT to sound like Daughtry on his record, but still got categorized as a Daughtry clone by most critics. As long as that was going to happen, he might as well have gotten Howard Benson to produce his album and produced a Daughtry sound-alike, and then he’d probably be multi-platinum now too….

    (Incidentally, that’s a pretty good “rock band” list. All the names stand out to me as either legitimately rock or else names I’ve never heard of, which means they are probably bonafied rock groups too….)

  271. Also, Coldplay just won a grammy for best rock artist or album didn’t they? And didn’t Chris Martin even poke fun at the fact that they were rock, but definitely soft rock? I think he called it limestone rock or something?

    Coldplay is alternative rock and even though some of there music is very eclectic, and they derive inspiration from a lot of genres, when they perform live they are def a rock band. And a great one.

    The debate over what makes a “rock band” is almost as old as I am. Are The Beatles a rock band? “Yesterday” and “Michele” could be from a 60’s musical, “Blackbird” sounds like an old Irish folk song, “Hey Jude” and most of the Pual songs are pop-rock, “Revolution 9” might be called the first punk rock song, “Day Tripper” and many others are original Paul & John rock, but “Twist and Shout” and many others are covers of American black artists and old school “Rock and Roll”, and a few “A Day in a Life”, “Strawberry Fields” could be classifed as alternative rock if the term had been invented in the 60’s. The Beatles even did some music that makes the JB’s looks mature, “I want to hold your hand”.

    Frankly, I know what I like when I hear it and I don’t care what label or Billboard chart they put it in.

    In other news, Madonna was inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of fame last year, so the definition of Rock seems to be rather vague (unless she represents the Roll side of Rock and Roll).

    Madonna started out as a dancer but her first musical effort was putting together a “garage band”, Breakfast Club. So she meets one hurdle for being a rock star listed in a previous comment.

    Madonna is the most successful female recording artist; #1 in the US, UK and worldwide. The Recording Industry Association of America classifies her as the best-selling female rock artist of the twentieth century and she has sold over two-hundred million albums worldwide. IMO just because you can dance to it, doesn’t mean it’s not rock, and she does belong in Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

    There are some other folks who have been inducted who make less sense.

  272. Who?

    Jorge Nunez, AI Season 8 Top 13 contestant…..ahh, how quickly we forget

    it was a joke…sorry, the funny gene skipped me :(

  273. btw, i just looked at my iTunes……

    James Morrsion is considered Pop

    James Blunt / Jack Johnson…Rock

    Kings of Leon….Alternative

    Jeff Buckley…Alternative

    me= confused

  274. My favorite genre of music, if I had to pick one, would be pop, because hardly anything is straight up pop. There is more room for creativity and variety in pop music, without being accused of “not being pop.” That is, of course, because pop has no cred of any type at all. I wouldn’t mind Adam being called pop at all, if it weren’t meant in a demeaning sense.

  275. Who?

    Jorge Nunez, AI Season 8 Top 13 contestant’ ¦..ahh, how quickly we forget

    it was a joke’ ¦sorry, the funny gene skipped me :(

    j/k I know who he is, the curly guy who was feeling ‘Smooth’ in the finale.

  276. I wouldn’t consider anyone from AI a bonafied rockstar, no. DAUGHTRY is/ are pop rock star/ stars. Cook is a pop rock’ ¦ act or artist, whatever you want to call him (not a star at this point). But, neither one of them is starring as a bonafied rock act, so for that reason they can’t be called ‘rock stars’ .

    But Noctem — why do I keep wanting to type the word “Nocturne?” — I was at the Birchmere and David stated a number of times that “Come on; you’re at a rock show!” when the venue kept insisting that we all sit down and he wanted us to stand up and sing and boogie.

    So, he said we were at a rock show and it sure felt like one. I’ve only been to two DC concerts — one with thousands of people on a beach and one in this smallish dinner club — and both were very much a rock show. I can’t wait till David and his band start putting on rock concerts because I want more time and more songs.

    And, no, I never thought Adam was a rock star. I giggled when Kara or Paula (or whoever) said that. He’s an incredible singer, but he’s not rock. Whether he becomes a star or not remains to be seen.

  277. j/k I know who he is, the curly guy who was feeling ‘Smooth’ in the finale.

    hehe, yup, he was definitely feeling the music and himself in that performance…and to think, we the public actually voted for him (shaking head in disbelief)

  278. Squirrely: According to Q3s list rock is whatever it wants to be.

    Not my list, Rolling Stone Readers Poll.

    But, yes why not let rock be what the artists and audience want it to be. I think that rock is more about an attitude than a musical style. If you’re willing “to go to 11”, it’s rock.

    To illustrate a pice of dialog from the best rockumentary ever made SPINAL TAP:

    [first lines]
    Marty DiBergi: Hello; my name is Marty DiBergi. I’m a filmmaker. I make a lot of commercials. That little dog that chases the covered wagon underneath the sink? That was mine. In 1966, I went down to Greenwich Village, New York City to a rock club called Electric Banana. Don’t look for it; it’s not there anymore. But that night, I heard a band that for me redefined the word “rock and roll”. I remember being knocked out by their… their exuberance, their raw power – and their punctuality. That band was Britain’s now-legendary Spinal Tap. Seventeen years and fifteen albums later, Spinal Tap is still going strong. And they’ve earned a distinguished place in rock history as one of England’s loudest bands. So in the late fall of 1982, when I heard that Tap was releasing a new album called “Smell the Glove”, and was planning their first tour of the United States in almost six years to promote that album, well needless to say I jumped at the chance to make the documentary – the, if you will, “rockumentary” – that you’re about to see. I wanted to capture the… the sights, the sounds… the smells of a hard-working rock band, on the road. And I got that; I got more… a lot more. But hey, enough of my yakkin’; whaddaya say? Let’s boogie!

    Later on in the film:

    Nigel Tufnel: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and…
    Marty DiBergi: Oh, I see. And most amps go up to ten?
    Nigel Tufnel: Exactly.
    Marty DiBergi: Does that mean it’s louder? Is it any louder?
    Nigel Tufnel: Well, it’s one louder, isn’t it? It’s not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You’re on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you’re on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?
    Marty DiBergi: I don’t know.
    Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
    Marty DiBergi: Put it up to eleven.
    Nigel Tufnel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder.
    Marty DiBergi: Why don’t you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?
    Nigel Tufnel: [pause] These go to eleven.

  279. But Noctem ‘” why do I keep wanting to type the word ‘Nocturne?’  ‘” I was at the Birchmere and David stated a number of times that ‘Come on; you’re at a rock show!’  when the venue kept insisting that we all sit down and he wanted us to stand up and sing and boogie.

    So, he said we were at a rock show and it sure felt like one. I’ve only been to two DC concerts ‘” one with thousands of people on a beach and one in this smallish dinner club ‘” and both were very much a rock show.

    His concerts, from what I’ve detected, do have more of a straight rock vibe. His CD is all over the place, but overall, I’d call it pop rock.

    I’m sure Adam’s solo shows will have a bit different feel than his album. His record I expect to be dance pop or dance powerpop or perhaps dance alternapop. But, in concert he’ll probably break out the glam-wail and theater-rock stylings which his fans love so much.

  280. and who can forget this still unparalled and gutsy performance from the finale’ ¦ bo bice’ ¦ the real deal rocker’ ¦.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmeS3v_w4Kk

    Thank you for that.

    Country rock. Whatever. Bo Bice is an incredible rock talent. He started the AI-rock ball rolling, leading to Chris Daughtry and helping to — *finally* — achieve a rocker’s win, through David Cook.

    It’s progression. ;-)

  281. alternativepop? powerpop? never heard of any of these – reminds me of words like jazzercise

  282. This thread was almost as entertaining as yesterday’s critic chat. noctem seizure you have a promising career as a “rock star” music critic. I may not agree with all of your commentary, but it was thought provoking. Thanks for the input.

  283. Did Bo Bice get a contract from 19? If so, did he put out an album? If so, what happened to it and him?

    They made him put out an incredibly mediocre pop album filled with “songs” that various songwriters had previously had lining their wastebaskets and sold to Clive Davis for Bo to sing?

    And predictably the album tanked because not only did it have absolutely nothing to do with the kind of artist and performer Bo actually is but it also was an extremely crummy example even of the album it was trying to be … plus, Blo’s favorite souther-nrock style doesn’t have a lot of fans these days anyway?

    But he’s getting to perform these days anyway and seems to be making a living, and he’s doing actual music that he likes. So all’s well that ends well, I guess.

    On Bo’s second album, put out on his own through Walmart — not bad. Has some kind of nice southern rock on it. He’s not the greatest songwriter in the world. But Bo as a live performer — fabulous. If you like southern rockers, see if you can catch a live show. He’s a great, captivating performer and singer.

  284. Second, Slash came on the scene in the 80s hairband era when smashing hotel rooms and swilling Jack Daniels was still almost as big a component of ‘rock authenticity’  as the music itself. Thankfully, grunge came along in the 90s and disabused the world of the notion that being a rockstar was about ‘image’  and, also, sent the majority of those glam-metal boys into a better-late-than-never career retirement.

    First of all, I just want to say that my husband shares your opinion on the whole “do you qualify as a rocker” topic. I don’t agree, but oh well. But I’m wondering since you mentioned “glam-metal boys”, do you consider the guys in original Van Halen rock stars? (I do.)

  285. What’s a queue-jumper and what does it have to do with Adam? Adam jumped on a queue? Did he hurt it? If I were a queue I’d be happy to have Adam jump on me.

    All this back and forth over what is or isn’t rock is kinda strange. If it’s music I like that’s all I care about. I don’t care what label people put on it.

  286. queue-jumping, singing stage actor warrants the designation of rock artist.

    I agree with people who say that Adam probably isn’t going to do pure rock music but rather a fusion of rock/pop/dance/?.

    However, I don’t see any logical reason that having done musical theater would automatically bar someone from being a rock artist. It’s not like being a rock artist requires some special gene that all music theater performers don’t have. It’s about what kind of music you like and what kind of music is natural to you, and for some people, they can be good at music theater and excel at rock. I’m not saying that someone has to like or buy Adam as a rock artist, but disqualifying him from being one because he did musical theater is illogical.

    As for “queue-jumping”: Does this mean that he became famous too quickly without deserving it? If so, that again doesn’t make sense. He worked in the LA music scene for almost 10 years trying to make it, so I find it hard to buy the idea that he didn’t pay his dues. And if the idea here is that AI made him famous (hopefully not fleetingly) while other deserving artists are still undiscovered or at least not hugely successful–well, there will always be artists who deserve more success than they get. Adam took advantage of the opportunity afforded by AI, and I don’t really see how that could be construed as a negative.

  287. I agree with people who say that Adam probably isn’t going to do pure rock music but rather a fusion of rock/pop/dance/?.

    However, I don’t see any logical reason that having done musical theater would automatically bar someone from being a rock artist. It’s not like being a rock artist requires some special gene that all music theater performers don’t have. It’s about what kind of music you like and what kind of music is natural to you, and for some people, they can be good at music theater and excel at rock. I’m not saying that someone has to like or buy Adam as a rock artist, but disqualifying him from being one because he did musical theater is illogical.

    As for ‘queue-jumping’ : Does this mean that he became famous too quickly without deserving it? If so, that again doesn’t make sense. He worked in the LA music scene for almost 10 years trying to make it, so I find it hard to buy the idea that he didn’t pay his dues. And if the idea here is that AI made him famous (hopefully not fleetingly) while other deserving artists are still undiscovered or at least not hugely successful’“well, there will always be artists who deserve more success than they get. Adam took advantage of the opportunity afforded by AI, and I don’t really see how that could be construed as a negative.

    THIS :clap_tb:

  288. However, I don’t see any logical reason that having done musical theater would automatically bar someone from being a rock artist. It’s not like being a rock artist requires some special gene that all music theater performers don’t have.

    David Cook did musical theater, in high school and he started out college with a theater scholarship before changing his major.

    As for ‘queue-jumping’ : Does this mean that he became famous too quickly without deserving it?

    No, it’s not about being famous…. I’m assuming. There are a lot of people, with no talent whatsoever, who are famous. It’s about being considered a rocker, for one, and a star, for another.

  289. Queue-jumper/ line-jumper is a term I (and others) use to express one of the primary criticisms of Idol-spawned music artists. It illustrates the idea they haven’t “put their time in” and that they took a “shortcut” to attain their career/ fame/ stardom.

    Many people hate the idea that any artist can get their start off of a show like AI, but I don’t have a problem with pop or R&B stars getting their start that way because those are genres that have long-featured manufactured stars. I’m even indulgent of “rock” contestants like David and Chris, because they were long-tenured musicians and frontmen who tried out on a whim or Bo or Michael Johns, who basically tried out kind of as their “last chance” to make it.

    But, for Adam, with his background, to represent himself as “rock” is as much of a sham as Robbie from last year doing it. Remember Robbie? He was the former boy-band member in an earlier part of this decade who then grew his hair long and decided he was a rocker.

  290. I liked Bo’s debut album, granted the songs were not all country rock but his voice made them good.

  291. As for ‘queue-jumping’ : Does this mean that he became famous too quickly without deserving it?

    No, it’s not about being famous’ ¦. I’m assuming. There are a lot of people, with no talent whatsoever, who are famous. It’s about being considered a rocker, for one, and a star, for another.

    If anyone is deserving, it is Adam. He has taken so many singing gigs just to keep singing — weddings, bar mitzvahs, parties, clubs, and of course, musical theatre. Just like everyone has their own musical tastes, everyone also has their own idea of what is a rock star. For sure Adam is a star: so many people in the biz are already calling him one (probably his megatalent, his charisma, charm, shocking good looks). I call him a rock star; the AI band calls him a rock star; RS calls him a rock star. If someone doesn’t want to call him that, no biggee. He is whatever you want him to be.

    Adam’s album? Could be multi-genre. Why? Because he can do it. How many can? One of his record producers commented that Adam can sing anything. Tell him to sing rock: he can do it. Tell him to sing R&B: he can do it. Tell him to sing pop: he can do it. Tell him to sing opera: he can do it. Tell him to sing country: no thanks.

  292. Remember Robbie? He was the former boy-band member in an earlier part of this decade who then grew his hair long and decided he was a rocker.

    If he had the voice then let him sing rock. I really have a hard time connecting with the snobbish attitude of what makes a rocker a rocker. Linda Ronstadt went from country to rock to opera, and I remember she was referred to as rocker, a country singer and an opera singer. If a person wants to be a rock star and can pull it off musically then let them rock on, and yes that includes Wayne Brady too.

  293. like David and Chris, because they were long-tenured musicians and frontmen who tried out on a whim or Bo or Michael Johns, who basically tried out kind of as their ‘last chance’  to make it.

    Did Chris Daughtry say he tried out on a whim? I know Kris and David said they went with their brothers. To be honest, I think all of these guys really wanted to try out but it sounds cooler to say “eh, I just did it cuz by brother was there” or “I did it on a whim.” Whatever.

    I also got the impression that Daughtry really wanted to win. For Adam, the goal was was to make it to the finals. I think Adam had a realistic view of his chances of winning. I think Cook was also just happy to get to the end as was Kris. I really don’t see Cook, Daughtry or Kris any more deserving of fame and fortune than Adam. Kris is the baby of the bunch, so he probably paid the least in “dues.” The rest of the above group each had been slogging away for a decade in many different forms pursuing their music careers. Kris took time off to do missionary work.

    Sorry, I just don’t see Chris, Kris or Cook being any cooler than Adam. To me, they all are cool in their own way, and isn’t that what this discussion is really about?

    By the way, Bo is the coolest!

  294. thanks tierbee – i watched this perfomance on the telethon – sch-weet :-) bice is just top to bottom a helluva singer, and i lament his ”bicing” by clive davis et al with his first album… southern rock doesn’t have the audience it had in its glory days, and it may not be as ”sexy” as some of these other genres, but i wonder what would have been if someone would have had the guts to let him make that first cd in that vein, rather than trying to make him over into something he was not.. i still enjoy him, and wish him much success in whatever he does going forward… and if he makes his way through my neck of the woods, i’d gladly go see him..

  295. But, for Adam, with his background, to represent himself as ‘rock’  is as much of a sham as Robbie from last year doing it. Remember Robbie? He was the former boy-band member in an earlier part of this decade who then grew his hair long and decided he was a rocker.

    This is actually a spot on comparison.

  296. Robbie? I’ll never forget that sick look on his face when Cook whipped out his electric guitar and roughed up “All Right Now” LOL. But Bo is awesome. I wasn’t into Idol yet his season but I remember seeing his totally acapella finale – I think it’s the only acapella rendition evah? Anyway, I heard he’s toured with Lynrd Skynrd. So, don’t sweat the rock cred stuff, folks. If your guy is the Real Deal – only time and hard work will prove it. My guy, Cookie knows it:

    “I got to be honest, I don’t overly concern myself with it,” he says. “I think it came from where it came from and I have a great relationship with everybody on ‘Idol.’ People seem to have a tendency to put things in boxes and put titles and labels on everything. It’s just exhausting to try and keep up. So for me, if they want to call me David Cook, if they want to call me ‘American Idol David Cook,’ if they want to call me ‘That jerk David Cook,’ I mean, I guess as long as they’re talking about me, I’m alright.”

    and he also said:

    ‘I’ve always operated on the mindset that if you put out good music and play good shows, everything else will fall into place as it should.’ 

  297. Sorry, I just don’t see Chris, Kris or Cook being any cooler than Adam. To me, they all are cool in their own way, and isn’t want this discussion is really about?

    I thought it was about who was rock, not who was cool.

    If anyone is deserving, it is Adam. He has taken so many singing gigs just to keep singing ‘” weddings, bar mitzvahs, parties, clubs, and of course, musical theatre.

    But this isn’t rock, which is a genre of music for which he hasn’t paid his dues.

  298. But, for Adam, with his background, to represent himself as ‘rock’  is as much of a sham as Robbie from last year doing it. Remember Robbie? He was the former boy-band member in an earlier part of this decade who then grew his hair long and decided he was a rocker.

    This is actually a spot on comparison.

    Wasn’t Alanis Morissette’s first album dance pop? She was known as the Debbie Gibson of Canada. Lucky she wasn’t stuck doing that for the rest of her life.

  299. Queue-jumper/ line-jumper is a term I (and others) use to express one of the primary criticisms of Idol-spawned music artists. It illustrates the idea they haven’t ‘put their time in’  and that they took a ‘shortcut’  to attain their career/ fame/ stardom.

    Now I really don’t get what that has to do with Adam. He’s been working for this for about 9 years. Ever since he graduated high school. That’s more time than it takes to become an attorney – college plus law school is 7 years. You could get a PhD in that time and even get through college and med school. How much time are people expected to put into these things?

  300. Well my ability to cut/paste has mysteriously vanished.

    Noctem:

    Adam saw AI as his last resort to get noticed, just like some of the other AI contestants you mentioned. This was Adam’s goal, he wasn’t going out for AI just for fun.

    BTW. I don’t remember “robbie”, so I guess he didn’t make an impression on me as a rocker either.

  301. To be honest, I think all of these guys really wanted to try out but it sounds cooler to say ‘eh, I just did it cuz by brother was there’  or ‘I did it on a whim.’  Whatever.

    There is video evidence via FOXKC aired back in August of 2007 showing David in a line saying he was just here supporting his brother. It had nothing to do with “sounding more cool” especially considering he had no idea that he’d be that 1 out of 100,000.

  302. I thought it was about who was rock, not who was cool.

    Rock is hard to define as noted by the continual debate on the topic. Madonna, Van Halen, Cold Play, all have had rock connected to their names in some form or another. To me, the underlying discussion seemed to be who was worthy of being called a rock star. Why is the label so important? Because rock stars are considered to be cool.

  303. Personally I’d count Zodiac and Citizen Vein as rock, not pop, even if Zodiac was of the glam variety. But then, all some will focus on is Adam’s theater past and ignore his full work history. ::shrug:: It’s all academic anyways. I doubt people will ever agree on the subject.

  304. He’s paid dues, period. Just because they were not 100% percent in rundown bars or on street corners with his guitar case open, does not discredit all he has done to get where he is.

  305. There is video evidence via FOXKC aired back in August of 2007 showing David in a line saying he was just here supporting his brother. It had nothing to do with ‘sounding more cool’  especially considering he had no idea that he’d be that 1 out of 100,000.

    How do you know he wasn’t trying to sound cool for the cameraman. I don’t think there is anything wrong with wanting to try out for AI. It just makes a better story to be the “accidental idol” then it is to be one of the thousands who really cared. Hey, I like Cook and I voted my fingers off for him the night of the final. I’m a fan. I’m just saying how I see it.

  306. How do you know he wasn’t trying to sound cool for the camera man. I don’t think there is anything wrong with wanting to try out for AI. It just makes a better story to be the ‘accidental idol’  then it is to be one of the thousands who really cared. Hey, I like Cook and I voted my fingers off for him the night of the final. I’m a fan. I’m just saying how I see it.

    Well, I don’t see the relevance of saying it is cool to be an “accidental Idol” when one doesn’t know that he’s going to win the entire competition. He couldn’t predict the future. Not to mention, Cook doesn’t come off as somebody who lies in order to look “cool.” It just doesn’t make sense. YMMV.

  307. GAH!

    I’m officially declaring this topic a poor dead horse that’s been beaten to a bloody pulp. Enjoy finishing up this discussion, (for at least the 2nd or third time–I can’t even bring myself to completely read through these posts), because I’ll be cutting off further discussion unless it HAS SPECIFICALLY TO DO WITH THE TOPIC AT HAND–CURRENT HEADLINES.

  308. I just don’t understand why some people, including the AI judges, somehow look down on those who have “theatrical” backgrounds. I for one love the theatre and think those artists are the most hardworking and talented. Not only do they have to sing very well, they must also know how to act.

    And I don’t care whether anyone considers Adam a rock star or not – all I know is the visceral reaction I get when he sings and performs (quoting Paula) – Adam ROCKS my world! That is good enough for me.

  309. MJ

    GAH!

    Sorry MJ…I guess us kiddies are just bored. Maybe you could dust off an old Season 7 thread and we could just post there.

  310. LOL. Nevermind MJ, at least this place is never boring!
    *finnished up a whole packet of popcorn. Winky!*

  311. For those that think that Gnarls Barkley is rock, or just like Adam’s UC stuff, a new video surfaced today of Adam singing a “Crazy” on 2/22/08. I’ve seen them all so this one is a new one.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXUZ1IHn5AA

    Sorry if this is in the wrong place mj, didn’t know where to put it.

  312. I’ve never watched the show before this season so I don’t know who Robbie is. And if what you’re saying is that it’s silly to call Adam a rock star right now when he hasn’t even released a CD, then sure. But I just don’t see why calling Adam a rock artist is inherently ridiculous just because he did musical theater. The way he dresses, acts, etc., is how he has dressed and acted for years. He wasn’t some boy band member who decided to grow his hair long to look badass–how he looks and dresses is just what feels right to him, and the music he sings is what feels right to him. So, if he released a rock CD and it’s good, he’ll be a rock artist. Again, I’m not saying that anyone here personally has to like or buy Adam as a rock artist (I’ll personally never buy Daughtry as one no matter how much he sells–IMO, that style of rock is just elevator muzak). But it seems like silly hipster snobbery to say that because someone didn’t start out only doing rock music, they can’t ever do rock music and be a real rock artist.

    The world would be musically very dull if we limited singers to the musical style in which they first started out. As others have pointed out, singers from Bob Dylan to Alanis Morissette have gone through experimented and worked in different genres. It doesn’t make them poseurs, it makes them musically curious and versatile.

    Also: I don’t see the logic is assigning rock cred or coolness based on whether or not someone intended to try out for the show or just decided on a whim to do it. They all decided to try out, auditioned, and performed each week. How they got there seems irrelevant.

  313. But, I plead guilty to the condescension part.

    Stop it, or I ban you. The baiting is lame.

  314. Did Chris Daughtry say he tried out on a whim?

    I think what I recall is that his wife wanted him to try out. As for Cook, I don’t believe he had any intention of auditioning, but I think his mother and brother had that intention, and I suspect they themselves may have “convinced” the on-site producers/ camera people to, in turn, convince him to do it.

    Linda Ronstadt went from country to rock to opera, and I remember she was referred to as rocker, a country singer and an opera singer.

    Linda Ronstadt? Rock?! Yeah, we definitely don’t agree on the definition thereof….

    But I’m wondering since you mentioned ‘glam-metal boys’ , do you consider the guys in original Van Halen rock stars? (I do.)

    Yes, Van Halen was legit rock. And don’t get me wrong, hair bands were fun. But, in my estimation, 90s rock, on the whole, was superior to 80s rock across the board.

    alternativepop? powerpop? never heard of any of these – reminds me of words like jazzercise

    Alternapop and power pop aren’t official genres. They’re more like the kind of descriptions BMG and Columbia House use when they write up a paragraph describing an album/ band in their catalogs.

    Very roughly, I’d say power pop is more guitar-and-beat driven pop. It’s almost pop rock, but not quite. Alternapop is just like it sounds “alternative pop”. Now if you ask me what “alternative” is? Hmm, it’s kind of like the Supreme Court’s definition of pornography– you know it when you see it (or in this case hear it)….

  315. I’m even indulgent of ‘rock’  contestants like David and Chris, because they were long-tenured musicians

    Chris? Long-tenured musicians! I don’t think so. He wasn’t even working at his music, when he tried out. He was working at a Ford dealership! If anyone is manufactured, as a rocker, it’s Chris!
    Both David Cook and Adam were working at their music and trying to make their living with their music. I consider that putting in their time.

  316. But I’m wondering since you mentioned ‘glam-metal boys’ , do you consider the guys in original Van Halen rock stars? (I do.)

    Why yes I do, and so does the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. BTW, Michael “Anthony” Sobelewski, was first chair trumpet in the orchestra when I played violin back in ’72. Still as sweet as he was back then. Rock on!

  317. So’ ¦.anyone read Scott’s interview from the Staples Center?

    Too late. This thread is hopelessly off the tracks.

    Finish up this conversation tonight. Like I said, it won’t be carried into other threads unless it’s relevant.

  318. aa618892 Jul 30th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    adamland- you are my hero! Love this ‘Crazy’  I hadn’t seen before!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXUZ1IHn5AA

    Holy MF! He looks and sounds gorgeous here. Just when I think I can’t have it worse, this happens. Thank you!

    You are welcome, notice no makeup and the Wicked brown hair! He was recovering from a dancing/lifting injury that required surgery so he was a little chubbier but this is my favorite version of “Crazy” to date.

  319. So’ ¦.anyone read Scott’s interview from the Staples Center?

    Just the blurb posted here. I dunno, he was way better live than he had ever been on the show, but he’s still pretty bland to me.

  320. Guys like Bo, Chris, and David just come off as more authentic real rock musicians. YMMV.

    Well, see, oddly enough I believe that how one “sees” authenticity in rock has quite a bit (everything?) to do with his/her age and experience. Not everyone sees grunge/ post-grunge/emo, dark t-shirts and jeans, and mostly angsty vocals and lyrics as the ONLY version of a rocker. :-)

    Case in point: KISS
    Case in point: Queen
    Case in point: Elvis, lest we forget, THE King of Rock and Roll :-)

    Hell, even Green Day does rock opera, so limiting the definition of rock to 1990s era type artists and sound — as good/influential as they may have been — doesn’t begin to capture the whole (or even a big part) of it.

    Rock evolves. In short, rock ROCKS!

  321. So’ ¦.anyone read Scott’s interview from the Staples Center?

    Just the blurb posted here. I dunno, he was way better live than he had ever been on the show, but he’s still pretty bland to me.

    I actually went for it and clicked on the link. I, however, did not watch the vid but instead read the transcript. Scott is self producing his album.

    I did perk up when he said, in a somewhat unclear way, that either Kris or Adam is ahead of the other in regards to making their record, so we will see who’s album comes out first? I suspect Adam is ahead of Kris because we have actually seen him in the recording studio with Red One. I also understand Red One has a reputation and working fast.

    Yes, I still manage to pull other news about other idols from Scott’s interview. He just doesn’t hold my attention. Wouldn’t it be a hoot if I loved his album. I will make the effort to check it out as I am curious.

    ETA= I can see the grammy nom for Scott now…best new rock artist! j/k

  322. undercooked Jul 30th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    So’ ¦.anyone read Scott’s interview from the Staples Center?

    Just the blurb posted here. I dunno, he was way better live than he had ever been on the show, but he’s still pretty bland to me.

    I actually went for it and clicked on the link. I, however, did not watch the vid but instead read the transcript. Scott is self producing his album.

    I did perk up when he said, in a somewhat unclear way, that either Kris or Adam is ahead of the other in regards to making their record, so we will see who’s album comes out first? I suspect Adam is ahead of Kris because we have actually seen him in the recording studio with Red One. I also understand Red One has a reputation and working fast.

    Yes, I still manage to pull other news about other idols from Scott’s interview. He just doesn’t hold my attention. Wouldn’t it be a hoot if I loved his album. I will make the effort to check it out as I am curious.

    I believe Adam said he has recorded 6 songs so far – which would make sense as RedOne works so fast. He said that in the 3 weeks after the tour is when he will record the bulk of the album. Now off the top of my head I can’t tell you if this was one or two interviews but it was within the last week or so.

  323. I did perk up when he said, in a somewhat unclear way, that either Kris or Adam is ahead of the other in regards to making their record, so we will see who’s album comes out first? I suspect Adam is ahead of Kris because we have actually seen him in the recording studio with Red One. I also understand Red One has a reputation and working fast.

    Being that Scott was my least favorite of the AI contestants, I didn’t even think of clicking that (my bad) for non-Scott news. However, interesting. I would go with Adam as well as I have heard RedOne works insanely fast (I know his GaGa work took a very short time) and Adam has mentioned having some favorite songs already. Kris has said he mentioned something (somewhere) alluding to the speed of the process and collaborating being something he has to adjust to. It could be reverse and Kris’ producer is rather quiet, while Adam’s collaborators like to yap to the press, making me think this. But either way, hmm.

  324. I believe Adam said he has recorded 6 songs so far – which would make sense as RedOne works so fast. He said that in the 3 weeks after the tour is when he will record the bulk of the album. Now off the top of my head I can’t tell you if this was one or two interviews but it was within the last week or so.

    That makes sense. Does anyone know how far Kris is on his album?

  325. Well, it happened. Somewhere between my first post and now, I realized, I don’t give a crap about this rock/pop/theatre debate any more. Really. Who cares how Adam is labeled? IMO, he has a fantastic voice and has been extremely entertaining on both AI and on tour. So for now, that’s good enough for me. When his album comes out, I’ll judge it on it’s merits and I certainly won’t care if it’s classified as rock/pop/dance or all of the above. If it’s good music, I’m there!

    Can’t resist saying though that I perceive this entire debate primarily a result of rock snobbery, for lack of a better term. I find that amusing but also a little tiresome.

  326. Honestly, as amusing as all this is, it seems like y’all are arguing different things. Noctem is talking about the commonly held idea among rock devotees that anyone calling themselves a rocker should write their own music, play an instrument and/or work their way up from scratch on the rock scene. In that world, paying your dues means staying at this for years and years, not just in anything but mainly as a commitment to rock music specifically, usually as part of a self contained band. Adam may have been a performer for years, but not necessarily a rock one, it seems more like he dabbled a bit in rock along with trying out other things. Nothing wrong with that, but usually that is not enough to become a “rocker” to the devotees.

    Now if you don’t ascribe to that view, fine. But there is no wining an argument like this, either you buy in or you don’t IMO.

  327. Hi Calliope!

    Yes, I wonder if Kris’s people are really quiet, or if they haven’t done much recording yet. I wonder what kind of pressure they have to get the album out by November.

    I keep hearing Taylor refused to record while on tour. When did his album come out? Was it late?

  328. undercooked Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    Hi Calliope!

    Yes, I wonder if Kris’s people are really quiet, or if they haven’t done much recording yet. I wonder what kind of pressure they have to get the album out by November.

    I keep hearing Taylor refused to record while on tour. When did his album come out? Was it late?

    It was released December 12, 2006.

  329. I keep hearing Taylor refused to record while on tour. When did his album come out? Was it late?

    Taylor’s album came out in early December I think. He missed the Thanksgiving sales weekend, but caught some of the Christmas sales. And no single was released until January.

  330. Glad I dropped by MJs and got my Cookie fix – 2 articles, Yay. Off to watch YouTube videosl of Dave and the guys from last night. In my mind, in my world DC & his band ARE rockstars. Hope the rest of the world catches up someday, but if not, as long as they’re happy and making music, it’s all good.

  331. I also think Kris generally is all about under promising and over delivering. That might be why there is much less talk about his record. Just not his style.

  332. Yes, I wonder if Kris’s people are really quiet, or if they haven’t done much recording yet. I wonder what kind of pressure they have to get the album out by November.

    I keep hearing Taylor refused to record while on tour. When did his album come out? Was it late?

    Hey, undercooked!

    I think, if I remember correctly, Kris has one producer for his album (cannot remember his name, but he worked with Westlife and didn’t have a wikipedia entry when I searched him there — he might now), and has had a writing session with The Fray and there was the rumor of him writing with Daughtry. As I mentioned, the only other thing I recall was Kris saying how the speed of doing things was something he had to adjust to. I don’t know if that implies he isn’t as far along as he should be or he is working faster than he expected to (which could still mean both, but I don’t know). Or he could just have less probing questions, he’s less inclined to blab than Adam, and his collaborators aren’t going to the media (or tweeting like mad).

    I thought the Adam thing was about recording 3 weeks into the tour, not after, but I don’t know. Adam is using quite a few different producers though.

    I am sure there is A LOT of pressure to get it out by November. Anyway, that Scott quote was unclear since for me (for you?) it seemed to imply they go back and forth on who is ahead.

  333. Adam may not have done the run down bars rock circuit, but you can’t take it away from him that he’s paid his dues as far as working his but off to get noticed in the industry.

    Musical Theatre is no easy ride .. it’s a hard slog .. it takes commitment and stamina and it has it’s ups and downs and disappointments along the way .. the endless auditions, the rejections, then the disciplines involved in turning up night after night, sometimes 8 shows a week singing the same old stuff (lol) … and if you’re just in the ensemble taking other jobs during the day to supplement your wages.

    I have a friends in London’t West End and it’s amazing how many of them, as well as being in MT shows are also struggling musicians with their own bands (some rock orientated) … but they do MT as it’s a steady wage when the band gig scene is so competitive and difficult to get into.

    I understand that Adam hasn’t done his “apprenticeship” as far as trying to be a rockstar, and only a rockstar from an early age .. but the industry seems different from what it was in the 60’s/70’s when Rockstars were real Rockstars.

    There are a number of people who made it good in the music industry after having a theatre background as a start .. not sure if David Essex was well known in the US .. but he was in bands from an early age but first got noticed when he stared in the MT production of Godspell playing Jesus .. and then acted in films such as That’ll Be The Day and Stardust with Ringo Star and Adam Faith .. then he got into the music industry and became a very big pop star in the 70’s onwards … then after a while he combined the two things again and did some more theatre work playing Che Guivara in Evita .. he’s in his 60’s now and is still doing concert tours.

    Personally I don’t think there’s any set rules as to who can and can’t be a rockstar and what qualifies you to be accepted as one … to me it’s too stereotypical to think that you’ve had to play all the dives, grown your hair long, wore ripped jeans, drank loads of beer, smoked loads of ciggies, done drugs, shagged loads of women just to be considered a bonifide rockstar. To me if you have the vocal ability and the right songs then you can be classed as a rock artist.

    It’s like saying all country artists have to have been brought up on a farm, wear plaid shirts, have a truck and chickens and chew hay.

  334. I am sure there is A LOT of pressure to get it out by November. Anyway, that Scott quote was unclear since for me (for you?) it seemed to imply they go back and forth on who is ahead.

    Yes, I didn’t quite grasp what Scott meant. I guess we could tweet him. Or better yet, we could tweet Sarver to ask Scott what he meant about Adam and Kris’s albums.

  335. Just scanning a lot of the comments here, and I just have to say: talent is talent, and how much “dues” you paid doesn’t really matter as much in some cases when someone just has that natural ability to perform on a stage, sing well, and captivate an audience. Adam clearly does that (and by clearly, I mean that we’ve heard a pretty common consensus from a majority of concert goers, reviewers, etc. that have said this). So everything else is just arguing semantics (what is “rock”? what is a “rock star”?)

    Has Adam ever really explicitly said he wants to just do rock? Not that I’ve ever heard, and nothing I’ve seen from him suggests that. How RS spins it, again, just goes back to the “arguing semantics” part of the equation.

    And now, it’s late, and I don’t know how much sense that made ;-)

  336. It’s like saying all country artists have to have been brought up on a farm, wear plaid shirts, have a truck and chickens and chew hay.

    Actually it is a lot like country, where a lot of the hardcore fans won’t accept anyone that doesn’t seem to truly devoted to country music.

    And theater is hard for sure, nobody said it wasn’t or that Adam hasn’t worked hard. Just that he might not have spent the majority of that hard work trying to break into rock specifically, so for some there may be a cred issue there.

    But like I said, its all an opinion. Some rock types think that way, and if Adam makes a rock album he’ll run into quite a bit of that. Others won’t have a problem. It’s not really anything to argue about IMO, either you believe in it or you don’t. Clearly you are the latter. Cool.

  337. Noctem:

    Thanks for answering me about VH. Because although I’m no rock expert, I do love them and was curious about your opinion after reading all of the posts.

  338. Yes, I didn’t quite grasp what Scott meant. I guess we could tweet him. Or better yet, we could tweet Sarver to ask Scott what he meant about Adam and Kris’s albums.

    Oh, sounds like a good idea. That or try a hashtag trend? #scottwhatdidyoumean is catchy, right? ;)

    I could be wrong, but Scott’s comment could mean one was ahead of the game, the other wasn’t close but has now caught up. If I were to put money on it, I would think Allison would get first release, than Kris, than Adam. I could be way off though. Adam’s might correlate with the soundtrack thing, if he gets his song there.

  339. Has Adam ever really explicitly said he wants to just do rock? Not that I’ve ever heard, and nothing I’ve seen from him suggests that.

    This.

    I’m pretty sure Adam has explicitly said he doesn’t want to be a singe genre or be “in a box”. Has he ever claimed to be a “rocker”? Yes, he has used the term “rockstar”, but I’m pretty sure that he is using it the way most of us do in a very general sense (sort of like in that song the kids sang about “I’m a rockstar”). I doubt he cares at all if any of us consider him a “rocker” or “pop” or “dance” or whatever :) Actually, I even wonder if he really wants to be “iconic” or any of the other stuff people keep wanting to predict for him? He might be perfectly happy putting out CD’s of whatever music he is inspired to put out and have enough fans to show up for his performances when he tours.

  340. Interesting, the discussion on the semantics of “rock star”, especially the notion that certain genres require time in the trenches to be authentic. I guess, for me, it’ll all depend on what happens when Adam’s not doing covers. His career has, primarily, been singing other people’s music, so it doesn’t make sense to me to have a serious discussion of how to label him or his music. For me, he’s not a rock star, because I can’t use “star” on someone who hasn’t yet put on their show. And since rock is only one element in many in what I have heard, it doesn’t spring to mind. That said, I think the term “rock star” is often used tongue-in-cheek, and that’s how it was used on the show and in the RS interview. Not as a musicological term.

    But more interesting to me is the idea that to be a famous rocker, you need to have first been an obscure rocker (trying to capture the idea of having put in time in the genre, without getting into a logical impossibility). Practically speaking it’s probably true, not just for rock but for any genre – the idea that someone could have the chops without serious work in the field is unlikely. That’s one of the real reasons that so few Idol contestants really make it, and it’s also why, now, most actually have professional experience – you just can’t go from zero to career on unwashed talent alone.

    But to do what Adam (and Danny) are trying is unusual, even in Idol world: build your career doing one kind of music, while, apparently, wishing you were doing another kind, and then spit out of Idol doing the kind you were wishing for, not where your main experience was. The practicallity of it is hard enough, but that’s why I find watching Adam so interesting: there’s a shitload of stuff he knows and knows how to do, so is this something he can pull off? Maybe he’s been rocking out in private all along and just gets to make his groove public, but maybe he’s just now in the process of inventing his own musical self. Will it be any good? I don’t know, but it’s a fun game to watch, because he’s got so many skills.

    But them there’s the Idol stigma, that says the music won’t be judged on its merits alone but on the fact that the singer didn’t take the conventionally approved road to fame. I understand that, and even approve it, for people who are just using it as one way to decide who to bother to listen to, since no one has time to listen to everyone. Personally, I pretty much only hear new people who appear on one particular radio station or show up at two or three particular venues – that’s just my filter in a busy world. Some people filter by not bothering with Idol babies. But I’m not so stupid as to think that people who don’t get played on my favorite station or show up in my town to perform can’t possibly be real (rockers, bluesmen, musicians, whatever). If I heard them, I’d be able to tell based on the music alone. The same is true if you use an Idol (or other fast track) filter: it’s a logical filter for saving time, but that doesn’t make it relevant to a real determination of who is or isn’t a real rocker, bluesman, musician or whatever. Only listening to their real, original work will do that.

    Side note: I know someone who was a huge Keb’ Mo’ fan, lauded him as an authentic bluesman, you can hear the blues bubbling up from his pores kind of praise. So much better than fake bluesman John Mayer with his Berklee pedigree, etc, etc. Now, I agree that Mo’ is better than Mayer by a long shot, but I pointed out that he actually was an LA studio musician before getting into the blues, not raised on swamp water. You could see the wheels turning as said friend tried to cope with this, readjusting dearly held beliefs, trying to decide if the music just got worse, or if they could accept the music as real without the back story. For me, back stories are convenient fairy tales – they make Idol worse, for sure, but mainly they interfere with honest appraisal. I don’t care if someone hatches from an egg singing rock or steps off an opera stage to do it. The proof is in the music itself. November, right?

  341. Why yes I do, and so does the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. BTW, Michael ‘Anthony’  Sobelewski, was first chair trumpet in the orchestra when I played violin back in ’72. Still as sweet as he was back then. Rock on!

    Wow. Thanks for that! Very cool. Michael Anthony is great. Rock on rocker chick!

  342. Cook doesn’t come off as somebody who lies in order to look ‘cool.’  It just doesn’t make sense. YMMV.

    I concur. And may I add neither does Kris Allen.

    Since this conversation is ending tonight I just want to say: I honestly don’t care what Adam calls himself and he’ll probably do quite well regardless of what he does. However the thing that bugs me most is that RS decided to call him the only true Rock Star/Rocker (can’t remember which) to come out of AI. I just can’t agree with this statement. Sorry. This actually makes me question the opinion of some of the writers/editors of RS. Oops it’s almost midnight so end of my rant.

  343. You could see the wheels turning as said friend tried to cope with this, readjusting dearly held beliefs, trying to decide if the music just got worse, or if they could accept the music as real without the back story. For me, back stories are convenient fairy tales – they make Idol worse, for sure, but mainly they interfere with honest appraisal. I don’t care if someone hatches from an egg singing rock or steps off an opera stage to do it. The proof is in the music itself. November, right?

    I love this! Great post!

  344. Please let me know if I’m wrong. (I’m sure someone will lol). But I remember a video clip where Adam said he would like to make a living as a singer and support his family by doing so. I think that is going to happen for him, so that’s good.

  345. Well everyone must have crashed for the night because finally, I’m not having any trouble with the webiste. But I just want to say that I totally agree with this statement:

    I’m pretty sure Adam has explicitly said he doesn’t want to be a singe genre or be ‘in a box’ . Has he ever claimed to be a ‘rocker’ ? Yes, he has used the term ‘rockstar’ , but I’m pretty sure that he is using it the way most of us do in a very general sense (sort of like in that song the kids sang about ‘I’m a rockstar’ ). I doubt he cares at all if any of us consider him a ‘rocker’  or ‘pop’  or ‘dance’  or whatever :) Actually, I even wonder if he really wants to be ‘iconic’  or any of the other stuff people keep wanting to predict for him? He might be perfectly happy putting out CD’s of whatever music he is inspired to put out and have enough fans to show up for his performances when he tours.

  346. I think, if I remember correctly, Kris has one producer for his album (cannot remember his name, but he worked with Westlife and didn’t have a wikipedia entry when I searched him there ‘” he might now),

    Calliope–I hadn’t heard the info about Kris’s album producer and was wondering if you remembered any other details or could direct me to an interview where this was discussed? Just wanted to get a better sense of what he’s done before and why Kris chose him. Thanks!

  347. adamland- you are my hero! Love this ‘Crazy’  I hadn’t seen before!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXUZ1IHn5AA

    Holy MF! He looks and sounds gorgeous here. Just when I think I can’t have it worse, this happens. Thank you!

    All I can say is :clap_tb:

    and I hope people keep finding these Adam videos!!

    Yes, Van Halen was legit rock. And don’t get me wrong, hair bands were fun. But, in my estimation, 90s rock, on the whole, was superior to 80s rock across the board.

    Van Halen was formed in 1972 – they were huge by 1978. The are hard rock and heavy metal music and are NOT a “hair band”. “Eddie” Van Halen, the lead guitarist and co-founder, invented rapid tapping and perfected the use of high frequency feedback. He is one of the most influential, original, and talented rock guitarists of the 20th century.

    Some of the best rock ever is from the 80’s – the only way to hear some of this music anymore is on Sirus/XM or online. It sure isn’t on the radio. New wave, post punk, indie rock, alternative rock, NWOBHM (new wave British heavy metal, thrash metal, grunge, Emo (emotional hardcore) are all from the 80’s.

  348. I did perk up when he said, in a somewhat unclear way, that either Kris or Adam is ahead of the other in regards to making their record, so we will see who’s album comes out first? I suspect Adam is ahead of Kris because we have actually seen him in the recording studio with Red One. I also understand Red One has a reputation and working fast.

    I agree Adam is probably ahead with his album, but then it will be interesting to see who they decide to release first. And I haven’t heard much of anything about Allison’s album, especially collaborations.

    adamland- you are my hero! Love this ‘Crazy’  I hadn’t seen before!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXUZ1IHn5AA

    Re the Crazy rendition (love that song!) – what is even more interesting is to see another link on that page for a version of Crazy (the one with 50,000 views) that he sings VERY differently (much lower key, different interpretation). Just shows you how he can take the same song and do it completely differently every time – really amazing :-)

  349. Cook doesn’t come off as somebody who lies in order to look ‘cool.’  It just doesn’t make sense. YMMV.

    I like Cook and I don’t think it’s a big deal one way or the other. I only meant I thought he may have, deep down, really wanted to try out for AI and was embarrased by it. And I don’t even think of it necessarily as a bad thing, it’s just what dudes do. By the way, did David’s brother try out again this year?

  350. Oh, sounds like a good idea. That or try a hashtag trend? #scottwhatdidyoumean is catchy, right? ;)

    If Scott trends before Sarver, that would be cruel!

  351. Adam may have been a performer for years, but not necessarily a rock one, it seems more like he dabbled a bit in rock along with trying out other things. Nothing wrong with that, but usually that is not enough to become a ‘rocker’  to the devotees.
    Now if you don’t ascribe to that view, fine. But there is no wining an argument like this, either you buy in or you don’t IMO.

    Agreed: “there is no wining an argument like this” Just like in politics and religion. In fact, aren’t those subjects ‘taboo’  in polite conversation?
    So now we don’t discuss religion, politics or rock & roll? :smile1_ee:

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    ‘I don’t care if someone hatches from an egg singing rock or steps off an opera stage to do it. The proof is in the music itself. November, right?’ 

    This ^ ^

    Honestly, who gives a rat’s ass in which genre the music is placed or on which shelf the CD will rest? If you like it, buy it. If not, don’t.

  352. Undercooked – no, Andrew Cook did not try out for Idol this year. He does have a radio hosting gig (on KCradio.com) along with finishing up his degree. In a tv interview around finale time Andrew said he wanted to get more into this hosting/dj stuff. And yes, I admit it, I hunt for Cookie crumbs on the internet. But no real life stalking.

    ETA: I agree with what Cookcricket wrote above –
    “Since this conversation is ending tonight I just want to say: I honestly don’t care what Adam calls himself and he’ll probably do quite well regardless of what he does. However the thing that bugs me most is that RS decided to call him the only true Rock Star/Rocker (can’t remember which) to come out of AI. I just can’t agree with this statement. Sorry. This actually makes me question the opinion of some of the writers/editors of RS”
    See, many of us who don’t have strong feelings one way or the other about Adam had already found a Rockstar/RockGod via AI and were peeved at Rolling Stone’s wording.

  353. By the way, did David’s brother try out again this year?

    Nope. He wants to find an alternate way to fame.

  354. Actually it is a lot like country, where a lot of the hardcore fans won’t accept anyone that doesn’t seem to truly devoted to country music.

    Actually, most country fans accept cross-over stars. Even back in the 50’s may performers did country, rock, pop and gospel recordings. Elvis, Johnny Cash. And three of the most popular country stars today had nothing to do with country music before – Robert Plant (Led Zeppelin – heavy metal to country/bluegrass), Jon Bon Jovi (hard rock to country) and Darius Rucker (rock to country)

    Adam may not have done the run down bars rock circuit, but you can’t take it away from him that he’s paid his dues as far as working his but off to get noticed in the industry.

    From what I can put together he worked really hard to pay the rent, too. He was in Wicked doing 8 shows a week, doing vocal session work and playing regularly in clubs and bars – some nice and some not so nice. 3 years in Citizen Vein, and 4 years in Upright Cafe and Zodiac Show.

    I don’t think he’s trying to be the next post-grunge star or psuedo indie rock, so I don’t think that the bar band “rock cred” really matters.

    I thought the Adam thing was about recording 3 weeks into the tour, not after, but I don’t know. Adam is using quite a few different producers though.

    Adam said he completed recordings for the album — I assume he’s referring to demo recordings. There is also the 2012 song that is probably a finished recording. To get the album out by mid-November, they probably need to have all the demos done by late August or early September. Adam also said that after the tour he would be in the recording studio for 3 weeks straight.

  355. By the way, did David’s brother try out again this year?

    Nope. He wants to find an alternate way to fame

    what alternative way to fame? being the brother of David Cook, winner of Season 7 and American Idol’s only rocker who won, is not good enough for him? hmmpphhh

  356. and Mj, can i add just one sentence to the whole rock debate going on here? all i can say is wow! congrats to all the posters who debated about the rock scene. i really admire the way you guys prove your point and it very well articulated and so precise. you guys should join the white house!

    (ok i know commenting on other posters is not good but its a compliment right?)

  357. Honestly, as amusing as all this is, it seems like y’all are arguing different things. Noctem is talking about the commonly held idea among rock devotees that anyone calling themselves a rocker should write their own music, play an instrument and/or work their way up from scratch on the rock scene. In that world, paying your dues means staying at this for years and years, not just in anything but mainly as a commitment to rock music specifically, usually as part of a self contained band. Adam may have been a performer for years, but not necessarily a rock one, it seems more like he dabbled a bit in rock along with trying out other things. Nothing wrong with that, but usually that is not enough to become a ‘rocker’  to the devotees.

    Now if you don’t ascribe to that view, fine. But there is no wining an argument like this, either you buy in or you don’t IMO.

    This makes a lot of sense! Thanks for the post.

  358. While the debate rages on about what is rock or who among our idols is the real deal, I was wondering how well-loved rock bands were received when first starting out … I decided to check out Queen. The following review shows that if a band or singer can stay the course, keep giving the masses quality material, strive for longevity, the respect and critical acclaim will eventually come.

    The review I found for Queen in Rolling Stone made me laugh, especially when I read who wrote it way back in 1974.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/queen/albums/album/111006/review/5944771/queen_ii

    I’m certain there is not one “classic” rock band we bow down to today, worship blindly, that has gone unscathed by bad reviews. I think I might look into more of these old reviews just to gain some perspective when it comes to these AI tour reviews, which in the long run does not predict a damn thing.

    BTW if you choose not to read the entire review — it was Ken Barnes. lol

  359. This is probably going to get lost but I wanted to post it anyways. haha. It’s from Phil Stacey’s Facebook answering his thoughts on if Idol is rigged.

    http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=35417510&blogId=503123062

    This is the best part ever.

    Am I writing this blog because I want to shamelessly self-promote my new album? Heck yes! My new record, ‘Into the Light’  is in stores everywhere August 25th’ ¦ you can get it today on philstacey.com for $10 and you’ll pay no shipping’ ¦. Haha

  360. I think, if I remember correctly, Kris has one producer for his album (cannot remember his name, but he worked with Westlife and didn’t have a wikipedia entry when I searched him there ‘” he might now)

    Kris said he wanted to work with one producer and later he said that they were down to two producers either one of which he would be happy with. But I don’t believe that he ever said that they had selected a producer.

    Westlife’s last album was produced primarily by Steve Mac. That would be an interesting but somewhat odd choice for Kris, however, Steve Mac has done a lot of Sony/BMG albums.

    Kris seems like he may be very far along with songwriting. So far he’s working with Claude Kelly (Kelly Clarkson’s ‘My Life Would Suck Without You,’  Britney Spears’ ‘Circus’ ), producer Salaam Remi (Amy Winehouse, Nas), David Hodges (Kelly Clarkson, Daughtry and David Archuleta), Joe King (The Fray) and Daughtry. Based on what Joe King and Kris said in interviews, it seems like Kris is writing the lyrics for a least some of his songs.

  361. But, I taste bile when I read people honestly maintain that a queue-jumping, singing stage actor warrants the designation of rock artist.

    Hope you like bile, cause your gonna be tasting a lot of it!!!

    Just like everything else in todays world, rock is changing and morphing. And I agree with whoever said, it is in the ears of the listener. Adam for me is a rock star and much much more. One of the things that make rockers rock stars are their rebellious natures which Adam has in spades, queue-jumping would fall under that category, I know I would never have the balls to cut in line.

    Noctem: I have to say the threads are much more lively when you are commenting on them. You also make some of the most quotable remarks, although I am almost always in disagreement with them, I still enjoy them lots!!!

  362. This is such an odd statement in Scott’s interview:

    REALITY ROCKS: Tell me more about this album. It seems you might be the first of the top 10 to get an album out!

    SCOTT: Yeah, it may very well be–we’ll see. ‘Cause I know Adam and Kris are both in very different places; sometime they’re farther along than the other one.

    WTF?

    Anyway Adam’s unofficial album will be out first. So his Idol album will be his second release. :wallbash_tb:

  363. AC
    Jul 31st, 2009 at 1:05 am
    This is probably going to get lost but I wanted to post it anyways. haha. It’s from Phil Stacey’s Facebook answering his thoughts on if Idol is rigged.

    http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=35417510&blogId=503123062

    I agree with everything phil said.I would add the 1s that bitch go out early.It has to be hard to be cut early.Its like you are first on the diving board but you have to wait for the pool to be filled.

  364. Well at least one thing that Adam had to deal with is off his plate!

    J. Scott C. says that he has agreed NOT to release the Adam single he has. Was supposted to be on his podcast on 8/1/09. It sure sounds like this cost Adam something. Here’s the statement J. released on his blog and link:

    http://jscottg.blogspot.com/?zx=1bf802a9a01eb3e3

    Finally

    Today was a pretty good day. It was the first time Adam Lambert and I have spoke on the phone since a couple weeks in to American Idol. Actually, I got a text message from him when I stepped off the plane in Dallas on my way to Austin yesterday, and we went back and forth for a little while but I had to get on the next flight on the way home.

    Today, I sent Adam a text that said “Adam, out of respect for you I am not going to put the song on my podcast.” Minutes later my phone lit up. It was him. We talked for about 45 minutes. It was actually good to catch up with him. I explained my position, which he completely understood and we came to the conclusion that we’d put the song on hold for a little while, so that we could both decide the best course of action.

    So, that is the status. Tomorrow we’re gonna get all our paperwork out of the way, and I’m going to send him the finished track (since he hasn’t heard it in final state). I feel SO RELIEVED you have NO IDEA. I never wanted to take advantage of his situation. The only reason I was going to go ahead and just release the song was because I hadn’t heard from him and I figured I had nothing to lose. I think that putting the August 1st release date on the internet was actually the best thing because it facilitated him calling me.

    Anyway folks. Stay tuned. This could get interesting.

    Next question is are they cutting a deal with Hi Fi Records, too? There hasn’t been any more PR about their unofficial Adam release. Makes me think/jhope that they stop that one, too.

  365. Edit: A minute late. Well thats good news. Glad the guy decided to put it off and give Adam the respect he deserves.

  366. Next question is are they cutting a deal with Hi Fi Records, too? There hasn’t been any more PR about their unofficial Adam release. Makes me think/jhope that they stop that one, too.

    Thanks for posting that Q3. Was it Aaron that tweeted that Adam has so much going on, yeah you could say that. At least he can release some of the stress he is under by getting up on that stage and having a blast doing it. I’m happy for him that that single if off the plate for the time being and I’m hoping that the HiFi crap goes the same way.

  367. Thanks for posting that Q3. Was it Aaron that tweeted that Adam has so much going on, yeah you could say that. At least he can release some of the stress he is under by getting up on that stage and having a blast doing it. I’m happy for him that that single if off the plate for the time being and I’m hoping that the HiFi crap goes the same way.

    I also thought of that tweet (which was from kokoki I think) when I saw this.

    I have been thinking that they must have or are working on a deal with Hi-Fi. They just been too quiet.

  368. AC thanks for posting the link to the Phil Stacy Facebook page.I think it is a “must read” for all AI fans.

  369. Scott never ceases to amaze me. Where on earth would he be allowed to release an album when the winner, runner-up have not yet released theirs? Is he in Ali-Baba land or something?

  370. I hope they don’t pay Hi-Fi too much. I don’t think Hi-Fi could’ve sold that many albums anyway, considering that Want tanked and… I’m not sure if this is correct, but they aren’t allowed to use Adam’s likeness to advertise the album?

    SCOTT: Yeah, it may very well be’“we’ll see. ‘Cause I know Adam and Kris are both in very different places; sometime they’re farther along than the other one.

    What does that statement mean? It doesn’t make any sense. Adam and Kris switch off being ahead on making their albums?

  371. Q3 Jul 31st, 2009 at 1:48 am

    Thanks for posting that Q3. Was it Aaron that tweeted that Adam has so much going on, yeah you could say that. At least he can release some of the stress he is under by getting up on that stage and having a blast doing it. I’m happy for him that that single if off the plate for the time being and I’m hoping that the HiFi crap goes the same way.

    I also thought of that tweet (which was from kokoki I think) when I saw this.

    I have been thinking that they must have or are working on a deal with Hi-Fi. They just been too quiet.

    Yep, they have been too quiet. Have you been following tweets tonight? I’m hearing on TWoP that Adam is out with a bunch of friends in Atlanta tonight plus bodyguards.

  372. Garsh!! It took forever to read this thread, changed what I needed to say several times, then see MJ says it’s over … and now I have to read Scott’s interview? Forget it!!

    On rock: IMO the absolutely most egotistical people in the music business are the “rock” people – no one is allowed to enter, that person’s voice isn’t “rock”, blah, blah, blah. Whatever. (Not you guys, the “rockers” themselves … based on conversations with wannabes over the years.)

    About Adam (or any Idol’s) fans: this sentence can be changed from his name to fill in the blank.

    columnists that dare to criticize ______ get flooded with comments on how their review sucks

    Anyone who skims through the comments under a concert review will find that:
    1. whichever Idol is praised, it’s a guarantee that the other Idol’s fans will be out in force with criticism;
    2. said fans repeat from article to article as they have nothing better to do.

    On Idol blogs: MJs is the best and I’ve stopped bothering going anywhere else.

  373. I don’t know who is ahead of who (whom?), but both Adam and Kris have been flying back to L.A. on their rae off days and/or working on their writing on the road. And from their interviews, it sounds like BOTH their albums are progressing well and that both will be out before Thanksgiving.

    Meanwhile, moving on: LOTS of twitters tonight about people seeing Adam at Blake’s, which evidently is a gay bar in Atlanta. From these accounts, he had heavy security with him.

    But the fact that he even is out and about hopefully is a good sign in terms of the possible “stalker”

    jayxavier34

    #Just met Adam Lambert @ blakes!!!#

    Pattraibiza: #Just meet adam lambert in blakes n ATL#

    DavidAtlanta: #NO JOKE! Adam Lambert is at Blake’s on the Park. I just shook his hand. #

    horcrionebay: #Hahahaha, Adam Lambert is at Blake’s.#

  374. Wonder if it’s true that he’s at that bar?? Remember after one of the shows, Sacramento maybe, there were those tweets that he was at San Francisco’s “hottest” pickup bar. It turned out he was never there, but had met castmates from Wicked at some hotel bar instead. It gave that bar lots of publicity though. Lots of mentions of the bar name tonight, could be the same situation.

  375. well supposedly he and his friends started out at the hotel bar, but left.

  376. Well supposedly it started at the hotel bar, then the photogs bugged him (a photog convention at same hotel LOL! Gotta love that one) then they went to a gay bar and the drag queen started tweeting before he went on stage and now some other person said their friend met him and got to talk to him at that bar. Who knows, I just hope that after whatever went down in Florida that he is having some fun.

  377. Oh and I have a feeling that Scott’s album that he’s talking about is probably going to be something he produces and releases himself — as he has done with albums prior to being on AI. As long as he isn’t under contract to 19, they can’t stop him from doing this, if that’s what he’s planning to do…

  378. And, of course, some people over on ontd_ai are hoping that Kris is at the gay bar with Adam! Yeah — that’s not real likely to happen outside of Kradam fanfic, is it? It sounds like Adam is out with some friends of his — he probably knows a few people who live in the Atlanta area.

  379. girlygirl Jul 31st, 2009 at 2:52 am

    And, of course, some people over on ontd_ai are hoping that Kris is at the gay bar with Adam! Yeah ‘” that’s not real likely to happen outside of Kradam fanfic, is it? It sounds like Adam is out with some friends of his ‘” he probably knows a few people who live in the Atlanta area.

    I’d pay to see Kris at a gay bar! LOL! Seriously, outside of Kradam fanfic, not. I’m sure there is some touring theatre group in Atlanta and that Adam knows a few people in the group. Wonder what his security team thinks of the gay bar scene? I think they are fun myself.

  380. Wonder if it’s true that he’s at that bar?? Remember after one of the shows, Sacramento maybe, there were those tweets that he was at San Francisco’s ‘hottest’  pickup bar. It turned out he was never there, but had met castmates from Wicked at some hotel bar instead. It gave that bar lots of publicity though. Lots of mentions of the bar name tonight, could be the same situation.

    On 7/9/09 Adam was at the Redwood Room at the Cliff Hotel having drinks with former castmates from Wicked. This is when Adam was mobbed by a bunch of fans and finally had to leave. He was definitely there, there are photos of him having drinks in the Redwood Room, and it was also reported in the San Francisco Chronical and in People Mag.

    Later on 7/9/08 there were reports that Adam was at Lush Lounge in San Francisco. This is a very classic gay bar/lounge. Not a place that he was likely to be mobbed by fangirls.

    The visit to Lush was never confirmed, but several people from Lush said he was there, a few people tweeted it, and the timing works for him to have gone there.

  381. Just read the comments that Adam was reported to be at Blakes! I hope it’s true and that he is out having some fun!

  382. YIKES.

    KrystalBoggs never experienced such ridiculousness.Got invited 2 aprt. where Adam Lambert was partying. Got called a fat bit@h by girl in his posse.

    melvissimo: FYI… Adam Lambert’s posse are the rudest, nastiest people I’ve ever met. Don’t talk shit about my friends… you’ll go down.

    KrystalBoggs@Charmqn Adam said nothing that I am aware of. Lots of drama. I tried to stay back out of it. It was a sad sight.

  383. Steve that Allison and Matt video is really odd — I mean Alli is 17 so OK doing the robot spaz dance. But Matt is 23. WTF?

  384. KrystalBoggs: I just want to say that Adam never said anything negative. He stayed out of it. He surely can’t be held responsible 4 s/o else’s actions.
    1 minute ago from web

  385. Good morning all,

    I just finished reading over the thread – Wow what a ride!

    I really have othing to ad at this point except this:

    webster

    Side note: I know someone who was a huge Keb’ Mo’ fan, lauded him as an authentic bluesman, you can hear the blues bubbling up from his pores kind of praise. So much better than fake bluesman John Mayer with his Berklee pedigree, etc, etc. Now, I agree that Mo’ is better than Mayer by a long shot, but I pointed out that he actually was an LA studio musician before getting into the blues, not raised on swamp water. You could see the wheels turning as said friend tried to cope with this, readjusting dearly held beliefs, trying to decide if the music just got worse, or if they could accept the music as real without the back story. For me, back stories are convenient fairy tales – they make Idol worse, for sure, but mainly they interfere with honest appraisal. I don’t care if someone hatches from an egg singing rock or steps off an opera stage to do it. The proof is in the music itself. November, right?

    Great post webster. Best of the thread imo. Thanks for posting.

  386. I don’t care if someone hatches from an egg singing rock or steps off an opera stage to do it. The proof is in the music itself. November, right?

    Great post webster. Best of the thread imo. Thanks for posting.

    I think these 3 sentences are classic, definitely saving them.

    Good night all. Sunn, same time tomorrow? Should be a great time in Hotlanta for tonight’s convert!

  387. Good night all. Sunn, same time tomorrow? Should be a great time in Hotlanta for tonight’s convert!

    Absolutely, sweet dreams adamland.

  388. Well at least one thing that Adam had to deal with is off his plate!

    J. Scott C. says that he has agreed NOT to release the Adam single he has. Was supposted to be on his podcast on 8/1/09. It sure sounds like this cost Adam something. Here’s the statement J. released on his blog and link:

    http://jscottg.blogspot.com/?zx=1bf802a9a01eb3e3

    The guy still comes off as a creep.

    Another note an Examiner report – the fans do know how to get journalists to apologies.

    Although most of the comments to the article in question were directed at me, I saw through the personal jabs and found the outpouring of emotion very moving. Never have I seen an openly gay artist with such a fiercely loyal and protective fan base. In fact, this may be the first time it has ever happened.

    Fellow Glamberts, please accept this as my apology. I certainly didn’t mean any ill will towards Adam, and I sincerely want to see him succeed as much as you all do.

    http://www.examiner.com/x-4107-Gay–Lesbian-Issues-Examiner~y2009m7d31-You-dont-mess-with-the-Glamberts

  389. I wonder how many people have joined the MyTribe:Adam Lambert/ Monster Truck Group? LMAO!

    Wouldn’t that basically be the same thing as a fan site? Or a facebook group?

    Did anyone know that they have a new app on facebook ( Much like the bumber stickers) called (pieces of) flair buttons? My youngest (12) sent my oldest daughter(18) all these Kradam buttons. I had no idea anyone but people on these websites like MJ’s Rickey’s and ONTD_AI knew about Kradam?

  390. Adam said he completed recordings for the album ‘” I assume he’s referring to demo recordings. There is also the 2012 song that is probably a finished recording. To get the album out by mid-November, they probably need to have all the demos done by late August or early September. Adam also said that after the tour he would be in the recording studio for 3 weeks straight.

    Wow! It really is crazy to think of how quickly they get the first album put together, especially when you factor in the time on tour as well! That is insane.

    Meanwhile, moving on: LOTS of twitters tonight about people seeing Adam at Blake’s, which evidently is a gay bar in Atlanta. From these accounts, he had heavy security with him.

    But the fact that he even is out and about hopefully is a good sign in terms of the possible ‘stalker’ 

    That is good to hear! Out and having a good time – good for him :-)

  391. The review I found for Queen in Rolling Stone made me laugh, especially when I read who wrote it way back in 1974.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/queen/albums/album/111006/review/5944771/queen_ii

    I’m certain there is not one ‘classic’  rock band we bow down to today, worship blindly, that has gone unscathed by bad reviews. I think I might look into more of these old reviews just to gain some perspective when it comes to these AI tour reviews, which in the long run does not predict a damn thing.

    BTW if you choose not to read the entire review ‘” it was Ken Barnes. lol

    Wow, thanks for finding that. Really interesting. … I have to admit that I’ve always like Genesis and Yes better than Queen also, just like KB. So I wouldn’t actually say he’s wrong here!

    But Genesis and Yes didn’t have Freddie Mercury. Which could shed an interesting light on what Adam has to offer to the rock world, lol.

    Always more moving pieces and additional factors than we think in what makes success.

  392. Scott never ceases to amaze me. Where on earth would he be allowed to release an album when the winner, runner-up have not yet released theirs? Is he in Ali-Baba land or something?

    Well, you know, Scott has flatly said in the past that he already *has* several albums out. And he does — he has four albums (three of his piano stuff and one with his family acapella group — for sale on CD Baby. (all competent and all relegating him and his family to eternal amateur status, if you ask me — but the family singing group one at least is accompanied by a ton of five-star reviews from happy purchasers, so obviously my opinion could be a minority one!)

    Anyway, since he counts those as albums that he has “out,” then I think it’s completely possible that he just figures he’ll put another one up for sale, this one with his vocals on some covers but mostly music he’s written. And he can certainly get such an album “out” by fall.

    I would venture to guess that he really sees them as a resume of sorts, for people who might hire him to write or for gigs of some kind. But that he also chooses to think of them as “albums he has out.”

    I gather that he’s gotten plenty of piano-playing gigs and that the family singing group has also gotten a fair number of gigs (by their own account, anyway), so something is working, and maybe it’s partly those albums they have “out.” Being good at promotion and painting everything in the best possible light even if you’re fudging a little has its rewards, I think.

  393. Stop it, or I ban you. The baiting is lame.

    What?? I believe you may have misread the spirit of my statement to which you were responding. I thought it was obvious from my tone that I was joking around and being good-natured. I guess I wasn’t as clear as I thought I was.

  394. I’m new to AI and this sight, which i found when looking for some info on the tour. Here’s what i’ve learned after following posts for a couple of weeks:
    Adam Lambert is a diva and the proof of it comes from..thin air, your gut- o.k the court will allow that as evidence in the case of The People vs Adam Lambert the Diva.
    And Kris, well they took a poll and you were voted to be nicer than Jesus. So, to celebrate, grab a bottle of tequila, a couple of fangirls and head back stage to show them how heartless you really are-trust me no one will believe it. Oh and Kris, could you part the Red Sea for us, because we missed it the first time.
    And Allison, sweet Allison-no wonder you’re so tired, you’ve spent most of the tour flat on your back having sex with Adam (after some vodka tonics of course) in the tour bus. Which one? Well the one that’s rockin’ of course-so don’t go a knockin’.
    And where’s your mom? Probably backstage with Kris.
    Oh and for the Kennedyesque stalker conspiracy theorists, can you imagine if the internet had been around when John Lennon was alive? Did you hear John has a stalker? Oh no, that’s just a publicity stunt since the Beatles broke up. What’s that? He was just shot to death by a crazy fan?! Ooh, my bad.
    And to the other 7 contestants, RUN like the devils on your tail (Maybe just Michael and Danny) the others just run as fast as you can before TMZ, Perez Hilton, and anybody with the new I Phone catches you. Actually, good luck to all 10 of you, you have picked the worst time in history to pursue a career in entertainment.

  395. I’m new to AI and this sight, which i found when looking for some info on the tour. Here’s what i’ve learned after following posts for a couple of weeks:
    Adam Lambert is a diva and the proof of it comes from..thin air, your gut- o.k the court will allow that as evidence in the case of The People vs Adam Lambert the Diva.
    And Kris, well they took a poll and you were voted to be nicer than Jesus. So, to celebrate, grab a bottle of tequila, a couple of fangirls and head back stage to show them how heartless you really are-trust me no one will believe it. Oh and Kris, could you part the Red Sea for us, because we missed it the first time.
    And Allison, sweet Allison-no wonder you’re so tired, you’ve spent most of the tour flat on your back having sex with Adam (after some vodka tonics of course) in the tour bus. Which one? Well the one that’s rockin’ of course-so don’t go a knockin’.
    And where’s your mom? Probably backstage with Kris.
    Oh and for the Kennedyesque stalker conspiracy theorists, can you imagine if the internet had been around when John Lennon was alive? Did you hear John has a stalker? Oh no, that’s just a publicity stunt since the Beatles broke up. What’s that? He was just shot to death by a crazy fan?! Ooh, my bad.
    And to the other 7 contestants, RUN like the devils on your tail (Maybe just Michael and Danny) the others just run as fast as you can before TMZ, Perez Hilton, and anybody with the new I Phone catches you. Actually, good luck to all 10 of you, you have picked the worst time in history to pursue a career in entertainment.

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbup_tb: :laugh_tb:

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