HDD – Album Sales Prediction – Oct 25-31

Update: Taylor Swift Goes Platinum her first week. HDD Predicts: 1, 044, 477.
It’s possible that the SS numbers may be different, but this is pretty darn impressive in today’s music market. Selling a million in one week has always been rare.

It’s Country vs the Rappers this week in the top 5 (with the KOL thrown into the mix). Taylor Swift completely dominates the chart and is already selling almost 10 times what the second highest act on the chart is selling. Meanwhile, 5 of the top 10 albums on the chart are from Country artists. Eminem manages to hang in the top 5 after all these many weeks.

But, this is an Idol blog so let’s talk about the Idols. Fantasia continues to be the sole Idol representative on the HDD charts. She’s currently at 34. There are Idols featured on Now 35 (11 – Carrie), B.T.R. (16 – Jordin) and Santana’s Guitar Heaven (38 – Chris Daughtry).

Am I the only one that isn’t impressed with the sales of Glee’s Rocky Horror songs? When the songs failed to dominate the top 10 on iTunes last week, I thought everybody must be buying the EP. Turns out, that’s not so. Sure, it was in the top 6 last week, but it still isn’t up there with where some of their other EPs were. Is the auto-download bloom coming off that rose. Mabye give us some stories to go with those songs, Murphy.

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CHART DATE: 11/01/2010
LAST UPDATE: 11/01/2010 18:56:53
NOW IN: 54.02%

LW TW artist / album label power index
— 1 TAYLOR SWIFT SPEAK NOW 575, 525
1 2 SUGARLAND INCREDIBLE MACHINE 60, 404
2 3 KINGS OF LEON COME AROUND SUNDOWN 21, 842
5 4 LIL WAYNE I AM NOT A HUMAN BEING 21, 413
8 5 EMINEM RECOVERY 20, 289

25 11 NOW THAT’S WHAT I CALL MUSIC 35 14, 137

15 16 BIG TIME RUSH B.T.R. 12, 854

6 25 GLEE CAST ROCKY HORROR GLEE SHOW 8, 701

44 34 FANTASIA BACK TO ME 5, 640

31 38 SANTANA GUITAR HEAVEN: GREATEST GUITAR 4, 486

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56 Comments

  1. In honor of Taylor Swift, I had to share this from the website “Texts From last Night”. If you have some time to kill, the Halloween texts were especially lulzworthy this week:

    (617):
    I don’t know if it’s the amount i drank last night or the number of taylor swift statuses on facebook but i feel like puking everywhere

  2. Doing Rocky Horror on GLEE was just very self indulgent for Mr. Murphy. My teen kids watched the episode and didn’t understand anything about RHPS. Cute songs, that’s all. Since they never saw the original, they had no connection to anything in the episode. I’m not surprised at all that the sales aren’t huge.

  3. Doing Rocky Horror on GLEE was just very self indulgent for Mr. Murphy. My teen kids watched the episode and didn’t understand anything about RHPS. Cute songs, that’s all. Since they never saw the original, they had no connection to anything in the episode. I’m not surprised at all that the sales aren’t huge.

    I had never seen it before either…so I had made a point to my roommate that we should watch it before the Glee Version aired :)

  4. I am not a teenager, but I wasn’t born and raised in US. I heard about Rocky Horror here and there, but never saw one. This was the only episode of Glee that I deleted from my DVR. Most likely there are more people like me, so I’m no surprised by the lack of interest in sales.

  5. Doing Rocky Horror on GLEE was just very self indulgent for Mr. Murphy. My teen kids watched the episode and didn’t understand anything about RHPS. Cute songs, that’s all. Since they never saw the original, they had no connection to anything in the episode. I’m not surprised at all that the sales aren’t huge

    I agree. Kids who buy the Glee songs don’t know the show or movie and most adults who do (and love it), don’t want the original messed with and/or don’t buy Glee songs. No big surprise. I still haven’t watched the episode yet, it’s not my dvr, but from what I saw here it looks like a bad high school production of the RHPS.

  6. I’m a RHPS fan from waaaaaaaaaaaay back and I didn’t like the Glee episode at all. I didn’t d/l any of the Glee songs, but it did inspire me to d/l the original soundtrack. I still have it on vinyl from back in the day. I just didn’t care for the songs being censored and I didn’t like Mercedes as Frank N’Furter at all.

  7. Rocky Horror Picture Show is something you either know or you don’t. In its heyday, it was almost a right of passage for college aged kids to attend at least one screening fully equipped with props.

    Having seen it many times, I was very disappointed in the Glee Kids versions of the songs. To me they sounded just bad. Of course, they’re also not the type of songs you’d be playing on repeat on your ipod either.

  8. I heard about Rocky Horror here and there, but never saw one. This was the only episode of Glee that I deleted from my DVR.

    LOL, I have a friend who loves Glee who deleted this episode because it has “horror” in the title and she thought it was gonna be a scary Halloween episode and she hates horror movies. I told her it wasn’t scary and she was bummed she’d deleted it. Anyway, I am aware of Rocky Horror, but not familiar with the songs or story. I thought the plot of the episode was alright, and I didn’t need to know about RH to follow the episode. That said, none of the musical numbers stood out to me, maybe because of unfamiliarity– I can’t hum a single tune from any of the songs from the episode and I watched it a couple days ago.

  9. Mabye give us some stories to go with those songs, Murphy.

    I don’t know if this was the issue with the Glee songs and EP, but I think this is a problem that the show is facing. For some reason Murphy doesn’t realize that the best way to keep making money off of the songs is to make people care about the characters and storylines. For the most part this season there haven’t been a lot of storylines, just loose plot points that have given Murphy an excuse to hock songs.

  10. I am actually surprised GLEE managed to sell as much of their RHPS covers as they did. The movie was a cult hit, but never a mainstream hit. And the original music wasn’t hits.

    Most of their other shows have featured songs that were hits and artists who were major commercial successes.

    And I agree with the comment —

    Kids who buy the Glee songs don’t know the show or movie and most adults who do (and love it), don’t want the original messed with and/or don’t buy Glee songs. No big surprise. I still haven’t watched the episode yet, it’s not my dvr, but from what I saw here it looks like a bad high school production of the RHPS.

    But, like Idol, GLEE is primarily about ratings and ad revenue — and eventually about syndication revenue. Selling a boatload of iTunes tracks is just a little bonus revenue.

    And ratings are very good…..

    Season to Date (Weeks 1-4): With all DVR data in for the first four weeks of the 2010-11 season, GLEE ranks as this season’s No.1 entertainment program among Adults 18-49.

    Week four of GLEE (5.9/15) matched its prior week’s Live + 7 Day rating and reflected a similar increase from Same Day (+26% vs. +28%). Glee’s average playback gain this season is on par with its level at this point of its first season (+23% vs. +24%).

    http://www.rbr.com/tv-cable/tv-cable_ratings/glee-no-1-entertainment-program-among-adults-18-49.html

  11. POP CHART (below #50)

    If the station that continues to spin Heartless (WSTR in Atlanta) would just switch over to AWM instead, AWM could easily crack the Top 100 (sigh)

    119 119 KRIS ALLEN Heartless 32 32 0 0.247
    123 140 DAVID ARCHULETA Something ‘Bout Love 25 29 -4 0.081
    165 148 KRIS ALLEN Alright With Me 21 14 7 0.058

  12. iTunes

    #80 IIHY
    #89 September
    #120 Sweet Serendipity
    #130 Mama’s Song
    #300 WWFM
    #707 LLWD
    #916 I’m Doin’ Me

  13. iTunes

    #80 IIHY
    #89 September
    #120 Sweet Serendipity
    #130 Mama’s Song
    #300 WWFM
    #707 LLWD
    #916 I’m Doin’ Me

    New song to add to the list — Don’t You Wanna Stay by Jason Aldean & Kelly Clarkson has just passed Adam and is at #79.

  14. If the station that continues to spin Heartless (WSTR in Atlanta) would just switch over to AWM instead, AWM could easily crack the Top 100 (sigh)

    I wondered what would have happened with Jive had promoted Heartless to radio. It got some airplay in the US, Australia, Canada and New Zealand — maybe other places. WSTR is a influential station in the Southeast and their PD likes it. Kris’ version is very different than Kanye’s version but most radio listeners already know the song from Kanye’s hit. Just speculating…..

  15. Heartless probably could have done well if Jive has released and promoted it as a single. As it is, it got into the 70’s on the Mediabase Pop chart at its peak.

  16. The Sony labels and 19 have never really had a song that an AI alum performed during the season that could have fit into the playlists of any mainstream station, so I don’t totally blame them for not realizing that they had a unique opportunity with Kris and Heartless. Releasing the song would have been a great way to establish who Kris is, beyond just being from AI, and it would have been a good way to get people’s attention before releasing LLWD.

    Many stations played some of Chris Daughtry’s AI songs, which might have helped him gain acceptance from those who work in radio, and some consumers.

  17. The Sony labels and 19 have never really had a song that an AI alum performed during the season that could have fit into the playlists of any mainstream station, so I don’t totally blame them for not realizing that they had a unique opportunity with Kris and Heartless. Releasing the song would have been a great way to establish who Kris is, beyond just being from AI, and it would have been a good way to get people’s attention before releasing LLWD.

    No way to rewrite history — but it certainly would have been better than NoBo as Kris’ first single. (IMO possibly the worst song ever written!)

    But I think Heartless would have also would have been a far better follow-up to LLWD than TT. And they could have released a alternate version with Kris’ and Kanye’s versions integrated.

    Whatever — I can come up with at least 10 better ways to have managed Kris’ first album, singles and launch as a recording artist. NOTE: I am ripping Jive and 19R (not Kris) for blowing it.

    Thankfully, many of his fans seemed to have ignored all these missteps and are still with him. And he sold enough to get another major label album. More good news for me is that based on his comments in interviews — I think Kris knows what he wants to do and will take a stronger position as a singer-songwriter on his second album.

  18. Sleepwalker is winning radio polls and battles across Canada — here is the 5th straight win in Montreal —

    Virgin Radio 96 Montreal

    Smash or Trash

    Who you voting for tonight?

    Adam Lambert – Sleepwalker 98.8%

    Ray J – One Thing Leads to Another 1.2%

    “One Thing Leads to Another” (featuring Pitbull; written and produced by Max Martin and Dr. Luke) is one of two singles released by Ray J in mid-October that are getting pushed by Universal. So not a song by some unknown produced by an unknown producer.

    Same thing happening across Canada.

    Maybe if it keeps winning RCA will create a radio edit???

  19. Sleepwalker may do great in Canada but I doubt radio polls have much meaning. The only time an Idol song loses a music battle is when it goes up against other Idol song. ;)

  20. Maybe if it keeps winning RCA will create a radio edit???

    If it shows signs of becoming a huge hit in Canada, may be, but I don’t think that the polls are very significant.

  21. If it shows signs of becoming a huge hit in Canada, may be, but I don’t think that the polls are very significant.

    I just think that they are fun — and they do result in airplay.

    Sleepwalker has been added and is being played in Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver now — so time will tell.

    A radio edit is inexpensive and so I do not believe it needs to be a huge hit to get a radio edit. But I doubt RCA will do one unless they think it can get airplay.

    And I believe it will be difficult for a 4:24 song to be a huge radio hit. It is just so long!

    ETA: Just to clarify — ITA with your comment. Not clear in what I wrote!

    ETA #2: The other hurdle for Sleepwalker is that IIHY is still high on playlists in Canada — IIHY is #19 on CHUM-FM Toronto playlist today.

  22. Kelly’s duet with Jason Aldean has climbed to the n°52 spot on itunes.

  23. If they haven’t put out a radio edit for Sleepwalker by now with some stations spinning, why would they bother? I think WWFM was still high on the charts when IIHY went for adds. If SW does moderately well in Canada, it will be on the merit of the song, not RCA’s help. No edit, little to no push. I wish it lots of luck though! A radio edit wouldn’t have cost much and they could still put out a live music video from the tour. I’m still hoping.

  24. Elliegrll:
    11/02/2010 at 12:20 pm
    The Sony labels and 19 have never really had a song that an AI alum performed during the season that could have fit into the playlists of any mainstream station, so I don’t totally blame them for not realizing that they had a unique opportunity with Kris and Heartless. Releasing the song would have been a great way to establish who Kris is, beyond just being from AI, and it would have been a good way to get people’s attention before releasing LLWD.

    I disagree with this. I think they specifically picked LLWD because of its similarity to Heartless. Also I believe it was a good idea not to release Heartless. Kris caught enough slack for releasing a “cover/non-cover” of LLWD from both with in the bubble and a few DJs outside the bubble (who could help but mention The Script).

  25. Maybe if it keeps winning RCA will create a radio edit???

    If it shows signs of becoming a huge hit in Canada

    But if it’s a hit, it probably doesn’t need a radio edit because it became a hit without one.

  26. I disagree with this. I think they specifically picked LLWD because of its similarity to Heartless. Also I believe it was a good idea not to release Heartless. Kris caught enough slack for releasing a “cover/non-cover” of LLWD from both with in the bubble and a few DJs outside the bubble (who could help but mention The Script).

    I didn’t hear any flack from djs, mentioning the Script connection is not on the same level as some of the baseless garbage that was thrown around about LLWD. Honestly, who cares what those from within the bubble thought, since a lot of those objections had more to do with Kris winning AI than who recorded LLWD first. As I recall the song was called a flop after just four days, but that didn’t stop it from selling 1.5 million copies.

    The idol bubble is a small group of people, which is one of the reasons why it has always been important to expose the alums to new people, which is why Heartless, which sounds nothing like LLWD, would have been a good choice.

  27. I just think that they are fun — and they do result in airplay.

    They will only result in significant airplay if listeners show an interest in the songs during other times of the day, and not just during the battle segments.

  28. The idol bubble is a small group of people, which is one of the reasons why it has always been important to expose the alums to new people, which is why Heartless, which sounds nothing like LLWD, would have been a good choice.

    Exactly. There was something about Kris doing Heartless that appealed to people, both in and out of the idolsphere. Maybe it was the portrayal he ultimately ended up with of the clean-cut guy next door taking on a song by big bad Kanye West (this was all after the big Taylor Swift situation after all).

    Also, with the discussion of AWM and SS from yesterday, I just heard Train’s “Marry Me.” Both AWM (which I admit I love) and SS (which I am not a fan of) are superior to that, IMO. So I do hope both of these songs can break big, if people are willing to listen to Marry Me.

  29. A radio edit is inexpensive and so I do not believe it needs to be a huge hit to get a radio edit. But I doubt RCA will do one unless they think it can get airplay.

    The lack of radio edit pisses me the fuck off, negl. Srsly, a friend on twitter CREATED HER OWN EDIT, in about a half hour, that sped up the song slightly, cut out some instrumental, and made it run about 3:47 (about :30 less than the current length, and much more radio appropriate). If RCA literally just used hers, at no cost, we’d be fine. Or hell, just made their own in 30 minutes :///

  30. I didn’t hear any flack from djs, mentioning the Script connection is not on the same level as some of the baseless garbage that was thrown around about LLWD.

    ITA There were not comments DJs, PDs or Radio consultant about LLWD being a cover — and they all knew it was The Script song, was part of the industry pick to play it.

    And my bet is that Heartless instead of NoBo would have been a hit instead of the blah that NoBo was.

    Exactly. There was something about Kris doing Heartless that appealed to people, both in and out of the idolsphere. Maybe it was the portrayal he ultimately ended up with of the clean-cut guy next door taking on a song by big bad Kanye West (this was all after the big Taylor Swift situation after all).

    I think that the song has great lyrics and a nice hook. And Kris’ version allowed you to listen to the lyrics.

    And regarding Marry Me — I do not like Train so maybe I am biased but ITA — SS, AWM and almost anything is better to me!

    ETA Mary — ITA just loose the intro at least!

  31. CHART DATE: 11/01/2010
    LAST UPDATE: 11/02/2010 12:32:05
    NOW IN: FINAL

    LW TW artist / album label power index % change
    — 1 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 1,044,477 —
    SPEAK NOW
    1 2 SUGARLAND MERCURY NASHVILLE 86,912 -58%
    INCREDIBLE MACHINE
    2 3 KINGS OF LEON RCA/RMG 65,166 -65%
    COME AROUND SUNDOWN
    5 4 LIL WAYNE CASH MONEY/UNIV MOTOWN 43,201 -32%
    I AM NOT A HUMAN BEING
    8 5 EMINEM SHADY/AFTERMATH/INT 37,757 -11%
    RECOVERY

  32. Blog Related Numbers:

    6 7 GLEE CAST COLUMBIA 31,012 -35%
    ROCKY HORROR GLEE SHOW

    15 16 BIG TIME RUSH NICKELODOEN 20,086 -20%
    B.T.R.

    25 25 NOW THAT’S WHAT I CALL MUSIC 35 CAPITOL/EMI 17,340 +6%
    VARIOUS ARTISTS

    31 31 SANTANA ARISTA/RMG 11,239 -8%
    GUITAR HEAVEN: GREATEST GUITAR

    44 42 FANTASIA J RECORDS/RMG 8,704 -4%
    BACK TO ME

  33. Soundscan all-time top 15 sales weeks

    1 4/8/2000 No Strings Attached ‘N Sync 2,415,859
    2 8/11/2001 Celebrity ‘N Sync 1,879,955
    3 6/10/2000 The Marshall Mathers LP Eminem 1,760,049
    4 12/9/2000 Black & Blue Backstreet Boys 1,591,191
    5 6/15/2002 The Eminem Show Eminem 1,321,799
    6 6/3/2000 Oops…I Did It Again Britney Spears 1,319,193
    7 1/6/2001 1 The Beatles 1,258,667
    8 3/19/2005 The Massacre 50 Cent 1,140,638
    9 6/5/1999 Millennium Backstreet Boys 1,133,505
    10 4/10/2004 Confessions Usher 1,096,213
    11 12/5/1998 Double Live Garth Brooks 1,085,373
    12 1/2/1993 The Bodyguard Soundtrack 1,061,000
    13 11/4/2000 Chocolate Starfish Limp Bizkit 1,054,511
    14 2/28/2004 Feels Like Home Norah Jones 1,022,149
    15 6/28/2008 Tha Carter III Lil’ Wayne 1,005,545

  34. ITA There were not comments DJs, PDs or Radio consultant about LLWD being a cover — and they all knew it was The Script song, was part of the industry pick to play it.

    Did PDs play WWFM because it is a P!nk song? At least in that case she actually wrote the song herself, which is different from LLWD being written by two members of The Script and two other co-writers. And in the case of WWFM, at least P!nk is actually well known by PDs, at the time that LLWD came out, The Script weren’t that well known in the US outside of a few HAC stations. Given that, I have a hard time believing that most PDs, especially the ones at Pop stations, played the song because of any Script connection.

  35. ITA There were not comments DJs, PDs or Radio consultant about LLWD being a cover — and they all knew it was The Script song, was part of the industry pick to play it.

    Hmmmm I recall a number of pissed off fans after the Ryan interview. Ryan brought up The script situation and put Kris on the spot.

    I never said that LLWD was a bad choice because of the cover/non-cover crap. I personally don’t like the song, but knew it would do very well.. and it did. Coming off Idol, I just don’t think it is good to do a cover of any song. The show is already called Karaoke, why brand ANY post idol with a cover song. Just not a good idea. Didn’t Lee and Crystal release covers right after the end of the show? How did those do?

  36. Good thing Taylor’s team got in that extra day to make sure they hit the million mark. Awesome sales numbers from her.

  37. Coming off Idol, I just don’t think it is good to do a cover of any song. The show is already called Karaoke, why brand ANY post idol with a cover song. Just not a good idea.

    Pretty much why I thought ‘Beautiful Day’ was a mis-step – but that wasn’t as cruel as that Nobo thing.

    Still, the LLWD song did well – credit to the singer, among other variables. IMO. Of Course.

  38. Coming off Idol, I just don’t think it is good to do a cover of any song. The show is already called Karaoke, why brand ANY post idol with a cover song. Just not a good idea.

    Coronation singles are a different thing. And it’s not like Lee was the first Idol winner to have a cover for his coronation song. Ruben’s “Flying Without Wings” was a cover of Westlife’s hit. It doesn’t matter, really. Coronation songs are not expected to be hits.

  39. Whether you like her or not you gotta admit what Taylor just accomplished is simply amazing. Wow. just wow.

    Coronation songs are not expected to be hits.

    Exactly. Which is why I’ll never understand why people still think NB being the mess it was hurt Kris in anyway. ALL coronation songs with the exception of AMLT and magic rainbow were awful, got almost no airplay and dropped off the face of the earth fast. I mean Carrie of all people had one of the worst songs with Inside Your Heaven.

  40. Coronation songs are not expected to be hits.

    Maybe not radio hits.. but I was under the impression that they sold reasonably good despite not getting radio play.

  41. I think AI needs to go back to the songwriting contest. I think TOML is one of the better coronation singles out there. Was S7 the only year they had a songwriting contest? I still think NoBo as a coronation single is better than “Beautiful Day.” At least it was an original song. I am pretty sure it sold more than BD, yes?

  42. I can’t edit my comments right now and I wanted to clarify that when I said it isn’t ever a good idea to release a cover, I was mostly referring to Heartless & beautiful day & whatever Crystal sang – not LLWD.

  43. More than a million CDs in the first week is pretty good, especially for somebody who can’t even sing on pitch. Simple logic says a singer with as much or more talent who can carry a tune would sell even more. But no!

    Maybe peeps should be able to buy Taylor’s CD with something that’s not real money but has been digitally enhanced to look like it. ;)

  44. Was S7 the only year they had a songwriting contest?

    No, S6 was the first and only other season to have this competition. Jordin (and Blake!) sang the winning song “This is My Now.” The song was critically panned and did not sell or chart well.

    Also, really excited about Taylor’s numbers – say whatever you want about her music, but I really enjoy the thrill of someone putting up such a huge number.

  45. undercooked I THINK there was a contest in season 6 but maybe someone can correct me. Funny thing about the contest in season 7 though was even though fans voted, TOML came out of nowhere. Throughout the season that wasnt even one of the songs fans were voting hardcore for. I’m pretty sure the sample that was on the contest page sounded like ass. Who would have thought it would go to be such a hit??

  46. These are this week’s monitored radio adds for Idol alumni:

    7 – Lee DeWyze – Sweet Serendipity (17)
    5 – Daughtry – September (274)
    4 – Jason Castro – You Are (9)
    3 – Adam Lambert – Sleepwalker (3)
    2 – Carrie Underwood – Undo It (178)
    1 – Fantasia – I’m Doin’ Me (98)
    1 – Kris Allen – Alright With Me (5)

  47. I would like for them to do the song writing competition, but they need to allow for two or three winners. At least give the top 2 a chance to find one to suit their style.

  48. Elliegrll:
    11/02/2010 at 5:09 pm

    ITA There were not comments DJs, PDs or Radio consultant about LLWD being a cover — and they all knew it was The Script song, was part of the industry pick to play it.

    Did PDs play WWFM because it is a P!nk song? At least in that case she actually wrote the song herself, which is different from LLWD being written by two members of The Script and two other co-writers. And in the case of WWFM, at least P!nk is actually well known by PDs, at the time that LLWD came out, The Script weren’t that well known in the US outside of a few HAC stations. Given that, I have a hard time believing that most PDs, especially the ones at Pop stations, played the song because of any Script connection.

    I do not understand the point — I was agreeing with you that no one in radio cared that it was a Script song. The only people who cared were in the Idol bubble and Script fans.

    WWFM was co-written by P!nk, Max Martin, and Shellback.

  49. I do not understand the point — I was agreeing with you that no one in radio cared that it was a Script song. The only people who cared were in the Idol bubble and Script fans.

    I don’t understand this part:

    they all knew it was The Script song, was part of the industry pick to play it.

    If you are saying that part of the reason that PDs played LLWD is because it is a “Script” song, which is a label that makes as much sense as saying that WWFM is a P!ink song, then why didn’t PDs just play Breakeven? Why, since Breakeven and LLWD were released around the same time in September, did it take Breakeven much longer to do anything on the charts, and longer to break into the top 40 and top 20?

  50. I can’t edit my comments right now and I wasted to clarify that when I said it isn’t ever a good idea to release a cover, I was mostly referring to Heartless & beautiful day & whatever Crystal sang – not LLWD.

    There have been plenty of covers released as first singles, but that’s not what I think Jive should have done with Heartless. I’ve always thought that they should have released it at the end of the season or around August. People loved the song, the weird soft rock version, that sounded nothing like Kris’ live version, still sold over 300,000 copies, and it would have been a good way for Kris to have a radio presence until they were ready to release LLWD.

  51. If you are saying that part of the reason that PDs played LLWD is because it is a “Script” song, which is a label that makes as much sense as saying that WWFM is a P!ink song, then why didn’t PDs just play Breakeven? Why, since Breakeven and LLWD were released around the same time in September, did it take Breakeven much longer to do anything on the charts, and longer to break into the top 40 and top 20?

    No, I was merely said what I said — DJs, PDs, MDs and Radio Consultants do not care if a song is a cover or not. None of them ever commented on LLWD being recorded before and they all knew that LLWD was a The Script song. It was not some secret that only people in the Idol Bubble and a “few” The Script fans knew. Everyone in radio knew the history of that song. And they did not care.

    Nothing more was intended —

    Regarding covers — if Kris released Heartless it would be a cover. LLWD can be debated — depends if one believe LLWD was made popular by The Script.

    A cover song is a recording of a song that was first recorded or made popular by somebody else.

    There is no doubt that LLWD was recorded and released by The Script — in Great Britain, Australia, Switzerland, Finland, Ireland, New Zealand, and Sweden. It was also released in Japan (album bonus track), Brazil and German.

    There can also be no doubt that the Kris version has The Script producers, band and production team. The credits to LLWD Kris version are the same as The Script version except for the vocal tracks. It is Kris singing with The Script playing the music. Produced by their producers and written by 2 members of the band and their 2 producers.

    TheScript
    Danny O’Donoghue
    Mark Sheehan
    Glen Power

    The Script Producers, also co-write many The Script songs
    Andrew Frampton
    Steve Kipner

    Even the engineering team and mixing is the same…. For example,
    Spike Stent mixed Kris LLWD and mixed The Script version.

    * Songwriting – Steve Kipner, Andrew Frampton, Danny O’Donoghue, Mark Sheehan
    * Production – Steve Kipner, Andrew Frampton
    * Background vocals – Billy Sollox
    * Drums – Glen Power
    * Bass – Danny O’Donoghue
    * Electric guitar – Paul Inder, Mark Sheehan
    * Acoustic guitar – Andrew Frampton
    * Keyboards – Andrew Frampton, Steve Kipner
    * Mixing – Spike Stent
    * Engineering – Dan Frampton, Ted Paduck

    Does it matter that LLWD is or is not a cover — probably not. But the fact that The Script and their team, wrote it, played the music, produced it and engineered it cannot be denied.

    Regarding the comparison to WWFM — don’t see what it has to do with the original discussion of the merits of Jive releasing Heartless and the issue of cover songs. But WWFM is not a cover. WWFM was written by P!nk, Max Martin and Shellback but Adam recorded and released it first, and made it popular. In fact, in a odd twist of song history — P!nk co-wrote a song that Adam recorded and now P!nk is releasing the cover of Adam’s song — and P!nk has called her recording a cover of Adam’s song.

    ETA: And I still think that Heartless (album version) would have been a hit single.

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