HDD – Album Sales Prediction – Aug 15-21

Carrie continues to be the only Idol to hit the top 50 (should get an additional Idol next week with the release of Fantasia’s album this week) while Eminem continues to top the chart. At least somebody is selling records.

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1 1 EMINEM 40, 166 RECOVERY
— 2 RAY LAMONTAGNE 26, 143 GOD WILLIN’ & THE CREEK DON’T RI
— 3 IRON MAIDEN 25, 159 FINAL FRONTIER
— 4 KEM 24, 249 INTIMACY
— 5 TRACE ADKINS 23, 475 COWBOY’S BACK IN TOWN

41 29 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 3, 752 PLAY ON

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  1. Speaking of low album sales, I recommend this article:
    Chart Watch Extra: Album Sales Hit New Low

    On April 29, 2007, weekly album sales dropped below 8 million for the first time. On Jan. 20, 2008, sales dropped below 7 million for the first time. On Jan. 18, 2009, sales dropped below 6 million for the first time. As noted above, on May 30, 2010, sales dropped below 5 million for the first time.

  2. IIHY
    POP
    23 20 ADAM LAMBERT If I Had You 3355 3048 307 17.358
    +39 Spins
    -7 Bullet
    +0.288 AI

    #26 iTunes

    HAC
    30 25 ADAM LAMBERT If I Had You 776 567 209 3.472
    +28 Spins
    +10 Bullet
    +0.055 AI

  3. POP #50-200

    59 52 DAVID ARCHULETA Something ‘Bout Love 294 273 21 0.839
    60 62 KRIS ALLEN The Truth f/Pat Monahan 170 267 -97 0.665
    87 98 ALLISON IRAHETA Don’t Waste The Pretty 54 69 -15 0.11
    98 107 KRIS ALLEN Heartless 44 55 -11 0.372

  4. I’m not a fan of TT.. but I am pretty PO’d at jive. WTF. I really feel like they f’ed a pop song for Kris. I don’t normally even short hand curse, but seriously… what were they thinking and what in the heck are they doing? Did they not intend for this to be on POP to begin with? DId they expect this to run itself up the charts? Grrrr…. Makes no sense.

  5. Danny’s daily update from mediabase:

    37 37 DANNY GOKEY I Will Not Say Goodbye 675 644 31 3.339

  6. Did they not intend for this (TT) to be on POP to begin with?

    Correct. They didn’t. They believe Kris is a HAC artist and those rarely have more than 1 pop hit per album. Plus, they probably figured out that uptempo pop/dance/hiphop songs would dominate CHR radio all summer. So why bother?

    But yeah, WAOMF or CSA would be better singles than TT.

  7. If Jive had really cared about getting another big pop hit for Kris they would’ve gone with AWM as the 2nd single. But as long as TT does well on Hot AC, I doubt the label cares that much about the Pop performance — if it had gone Top 40, that would’ve been seen as a bonus. The problem is, TT hasn’t done as well on Hot AC as Jive was probably expecting, given the whole Pat M connection. It’ll go Top 15, but it’s going to really have to get some sort of 2nd (or 3rd) wind to make Top 10

    18 17 KRIS ALLEN The Truth f/Pat Mona… 1516 1482 34 3.808
    +13 spins
    -8 bullet
    -0.010 AI

  8. Danny’s daily update from mediabase:

    37 37 DANNY GOKEY I Will Not Say Goodbye 675 644 31 3.339

    I noticed he was in the Top 30 (in at 24) on Country Callout this week (2 Idols there atm)

    TW | LW | TITLE/IMPRINT/LABEL | ARTIST | TOTAL PASSION | POSITIVE | INDEX | NEUTRAL | DISLIKE | STRONG DISLIKE

    24 — I WILL NOT SAY GOODBYE Republic Nashville Danny Gokey 7.9% 52.0% 3.44 34.3% 11.8% 2.0%
    also
    9 9 MAKIN’ ME FALL IN LOVE AGAIN 19/BNA Kellie Pickler 17.9% 59.8% 3.65 27.9% 11.6% 0.7%

    Interesting to compare both with Mediabase positions.

    It still amazes me about this week’s Mediabase chart, as before, that apart from Taylor Swift the best positioned solo female is a #24 – Reba! Kellie is the 3rd best at #32! Pop Mediabase would never be like this.

  9. Jive pigeon-holed Kris as an HAC artist, despite the potential he clearly has as a Pop artist. There are numerous songs on his album that could easily have done well on Pop (AWM, CSA, WAOMF). I think they were hoping for something similar to the success of Hery, Soul Sister with TT.

    They also completely screwed up the release of the second single, waiting until LLWD was completely off the Pop charts and heading quickly down the HAC charts. A quicker release of a follow-up single might have helped. It will be interesting to see what they do next – if they in fact release a 3rd single (I expect they will, considering the fact they gave Allison 3 single that went nowhere, but who knows.)

  10. iTunes update

    #25 – IIHY
    #64 – Undo It
    #87 – September
    #122 – WWFM
    #328 – LLWD
    #362 – TT
    #539 – MMFILA
    #558 – Bittersweet
    #653 – SBL

    albums

    ONLY KATY PERRY IS KEEPING FANTASIA’S ALBUM OUT OF THE #1 SPOT

    #2 – Back To Me
    #98 – If I Had You Remixes EP
    #160 – Play On
    #199/#467 – FYE
    #256/#631 – Leave This Town
    #680 – Kris Allen
    #976 – Leave This Town: The B-Sides EP

  11. ONLY KATY PERRY IS KEEPING FANTASIA’S ALBUM OUT OF THE #1 SPOT

    And in actual sales I expect Katy to crush Fantasia..

    It can’t be said enough but Eminem is a freaking machine! Who the hell can keep cranking out numbers like that now?? Crazy!

  12. And in actual sales I expect Katy to crush Fantasia..

    Katy Perry should absolutely slay everyone within her vicinity. It will be a bloodbath. Heh. But it will be interesting to see how Fanny does… will all this controversy help or hurt? Inquiring minds want to know.

  13. Jive is not screwing up. Kris is an HAC artist. Just like Mat Kearney and Matt Nathanson- look up their song histories on mediabase and you won’t find very many pop adds for either of them. Light rock goes to HAC right now. Kris has alot of adds already 75- same amount as Lifehouse. Out of a possible 102.If the song isn’t doing well it certainly isn’t jives fault.

    Are people not getting that light rock goes to HAC now? I do not get the angst?

  14. Are people not getting that light rock goes to HAC now? I do not get the angst?

    It must be me today. Probably should’ve had more protein in the morning. LOL I don’t have angst believe it or not. I’m sort of unimpressed in their strategy with Kris, Allison and now Archie (although the jury is still out on A.).

  15. Jive is not screwing up. Kris is an HAC artist. Just like Mat Kearney and Matt Nathanson- look up their song histories on mediabase and you won’t find very many pop adds for either of them. Light rock goes to HAC right now. Kris has alot of adds already 75- same amount as Lifehouse. Out of a possible 102.If the song isn’t doing well it certainly isn’t jives fault.

    Are people not getting that light rock goes to HAC now? I do not get the angst?

    I do understand it – I just think that they pigeon-holed Kris into the HAC category too quickly, when his first single did extremely well on Pop and their were other songs on the album that could do well on Pop as well as HAC, similar to LLWD. TT was not the strongest choice for single #2, IMO – maybe for #3. But I think they went too far away from the sound of LLWD to TT, rather then taking a step somewhere in the middle.

  16. I noticed he was in the Top 30 (in at 24) on Country Callout this week (2 Idols there atm)

    TW | LW | TITLE/IMPRINT/LABEL | ARTIST | TOTAL PASSION | POSITIVE | INDEX | NEUTRAL | DISLIKE | STRONG DISLIKE

    24 — I WILL NOT SAY GOODBYE Republic Nashville Danny Gokey 7.9% 52.0% 3.44 34.3% 11.8% 2.0%
    also
    9 9 MAKIN’ ME FALL IN LOVE AGAIN 19/BNA Kellie Pickler 17.9% 59.8% 3.65 27.9% 11.6% 0.7%

    Interesting to compare both with Mediabase positions.

    I was glad to see Danny make this survey this week at #24. I don’t believe he ever got out of the 30’s with MBD.

  17. – 2 RAY LAMONTAGNE 26,143 GOD WILLIN’ & THE CREEK DON’T RI

    Go Ray! Another outstanding album.

  18. I do understand it – I just think that they pigeon-holed Kris into the HAC category too quickly, when his first single did extremely well on Pop and their were other songs on the album that could do well on Pop as well as HAC, similar to LLWD.

    I don’t think they pigenholed him… given the music he’s making, building his career around HAC made sense to me. But I do think another song could have gone higher on pop AND had an easier climb on HAC. Then again, I am assuming they did research or something and since I have not seen the results, I could be wrong. For all we know The Truth tested the best. Who knows?

    Well, lets see what happens next. Its an unpredictable business, so you never know!

  19. koshka- I wasn’t talking about you personally, lol- hope you didn’t think so. I just have listened to other artists like Kris for a long time. I am a huge fan of Augustana and I really like Kearney and Nathanson. They just don’t have huge careers, that’s all. Doesn’t mean they are not successful.

    Even a band like Lifehouse is mostly HAC and once in awhile their songs will cross over to pop. They get just as much push from their labels as the next guy. Hell, even Daughtry only has 22 adds on pop so far for September.

  20. I think that Jive gave Pat too much credit as far as popularity(and based on Kris’s answer, that was the main reason why they chose TT). And they also screwed up a lot of things about the release imo- they waited too long for the song to be released, released it in the wrong time of year(TT is not a summer song) and waited too long with the video(although it’s nice to see that they actually promoting it). I hope that TT will at least have longevity on HAC and will manage to sell enough for Kris to get a third single. On POP it’s an extremely small chance that it will manage to have a second life. Maybe only if it will become really big on HAC and Jive will give it a push.
    Kris has several songs on his album that have potential to do very well both on POP and HAC and I really hope that Jive will release one of this songs as a third single.

  21. Studio57 – I don’t take much of anything personal. :) I do think I needed some protein this morning.

  22. Hell, even Daughtry only has 22 adds on pop so far for September.

    Yes, but September hasn’t gone for adds on pop yet. It goes for CHR adds on August 31.

  23. joyed- well that explains it then, lol.

    Speaking of bad timing- KIIS and Cumulus both reported and again did not add IIHY :(

    jerks :(

  24. I think Kris Allen is clearly a HAC artist, simple as that. I think he would tell you the same. Just look at the people who contribtuted to his album—Matt Nathanson (or was it Kearney), Train, The Fray, The Script, even Daughtry. He is about as HAC as it gets.

  25. argh I just noticed that Katy Perry’s craptastic new single already has more adds than IIHY…overall

  26. Kris music might be HAC in general, but he also has songs that can do well on pop and I think it’s stupid to try to limit the audience instead of using the fact that he can do well on both formats.

    Chicagolaw- did you actually listened to the album or you are just assuming what his sound is?

  27. argh I just noticed that Katy Perry’s craptastic new single already has more adds than IIHY…overall

    Well, she IS Katy Perry. LOL

  28. Katy Perry is to pop what Taylor Swift is to country, IMO :(

    Not a very good singer, sounds the same on every song and her songs undeservedly zoom up the charts. Although people buy it so you can’t blame radio I guess for giving people what they want. But radio does drive sales, and they could slow some of these less than stellar songs down from big names.

  29. Kris music might be HAC in general, but he also has songs that can do well on pop and I think it’s stupid to try to limit the audience instead of using the fact that he can do well on both formats.

    This. That was exactly my point. Kris might primarily be an HAC artist, but by choosing TT at the time of year that they did, rather then something that is still quality for HAC but can also do well on Pop, they have limited the audience more then was necessary at this point.

  30. Personally, I think there is too much of a stigma with HAC. It obviously has morphed to include rock, they should just change the name to HAC/AAA and combined the two. I think most Triple A stations are pretty much HAC- go look at their mediabase addboard and see who they are adding:

    http://addboard.mediabase.com/AddsByFormat.asp?Startdate=8%2F18%2F2010&AddFormat=&RemoveFormat=R3

    Triple A only has 28 monitored stations.

    But except for the rare case, AAA stations will not add songs from the Idols (LLWD did get one). They are still trying to keep themselves as their own entity.

  31. Studio57- HAC is a smaller format that doesn’t sell that many singles in general, this is why usually an artist needs other formats in order to sell well. People from idol barely get played on AAA and most of them won’t be played on the rock stations that will play songs with similar sound. This is why to limit someone from idol that is only in the beginning of their career to a small format like HAC instead of aiming for both HAC and pop is imo doesn’t makes too much sense.

  32. Really nice to see Ray LaMontagne’s new album up there!

    I find the HAC vs. Pop argument/discussion amusing. I haven’t regularly listened to Pop radio (what we used to call bubblegum) once I hit mid to late teenage. So when I see people wringing their hands over Kris’ latest single not climbing the Pop charts, I have to scratch my head. I want his music on the stations I listen to, I don’t want to have to listen to a bunch of stuff I hate to hopefully hear him on the radio.

    Much on Kris Allen’s album is easily cross-over to many formats. That’s bonus.

  33. There has been a lot of talk regarding Sleepwalker as a possible next single for Adam. Would this be a Pop or HAC song? I have trouble understanding the distinctions sometimes.

  34. I find the HAC vs. Pop argument/discussion amusing. I haven’t regularly listened to Pop radio (what we used to call bubblegum) once I hit mid to late teenage. So when I see people wringing their hands over Kris’ latest single not climbing the Pop charts, I have to scratch my head. I want his music on the stations I listen to, I don’t want to have to listen to a bunch of stuff I hate to hopefully hear him on the radio.

    I understand wanting the music to be on the stations that you listen to, but the facts are that Pop radio often results in bigger sales then HAC, which is why having a song on both of these formats is the advantage.

  35. TwigLA:
    08/24/2010 at 2:29 pm
    Really nice to see Ray LaMontagne’s new album up there!

    I bought it and it’s really good!

  36. There has been a lot of talk regarding Sleepwalker as a possible next single for Adam. Would this be a Pop or HAC song? I have trouble understanding the distinctions sometimes.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they do a radio edit which will be more Pop friendly, HAC could play it as well.

  37. Trina: And in actual sales I expect Katy to crush Fantasia..

    I did too. But then I saw this at HDD:

    FANTASIA-TASTIC: Early, early one-day retail reports have Fantasia Barrino’s third J/RCA album, Back to Me, exceeding expectations in the marketplace. The former American Idol winner has been in the news after recovering from a purported suicide attempt. Could the album actually challenge Katy Perry for #1 next week? Stay tuned for more official one-day sales figures tomorrow. (8/24p)

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

    I’d think Fantasia would have to reallllly overperform and Katy Perry would have to realllllly underperform for this to happen but the shocker’s that HDD’s even talking like it’s a possibility.

  38. I understand wanting the music to be on the stations that you listen to, but the facts are that Pop radio often results in bigger sales then HAC, which is why having a song on both of these formats is the advantage.

    This..

    Plus in general I despise HAC because too much older music is played on it & newer music is just mixed in. As far as I am concerned HAC is the new “oldies” station, but everyone is too cool for school to admit it.

    I have Sirius radio which has probably 3+ HAC stations and for the most part I don’t listen to them, despite being in their demographic. SIrius used to have a 3rd party programs station called the ‘Pink’ channel which was essentially a Non-rhythmic/non-urban, top 40/soft rock station. LOVED it. It was really the best of both worlds, but they scratched it and turned it into a generic HAC station. Boo Hiss.

    Had to get that mini rant out. ;)

  39. Well goes to show no such thing as bad publicity and the fact that everytime she or her people talk about the “incident” they pimp the album…

  40. I’d think Fantasia would have to reallllly overperform and Katy Perry would have to realllllly underperform for this to happen but the shocker’s that HDD’s even talking like it’s a possibility.

    Holy Shit. I am in shock.

    I guess all that stuff worked. I mean even if it doesn’t pan out, the fact that this was even mentioned as a possibility….

    Plus in general I despise HAC because too much older music is played on it & newer music is just mixed in. As far as I am concerned HAC is the new “oldies” station, but everyone is too cool for school to admit it.

    Shhiiieeettt…. apparently you’ve never heard an AC station. LOL. j/k

    My HAC sounds like a pop station with rock added. In my old city, there was more rock but it was basically a pop station too. I only hear a lot of older songs there during lunchtime. I think it depends on where you live, the playlists can vary widely in that format.

  41. I wonder what Fantasia’s first week sales for “Back to me” will be? It’s interesting that HDD is talking like she might could be a challenge for Katy Perry. I don’t think that Fantasia will outsell Katy Perry, but she might be tracking quite a bit in CD sales, this first day, for HDD to predict something like that.

    She has gotten a lot of press lately. A lot of it’s been bad, but her name has been out there. Plus she’s getting a nice amount of national promotion. Fantasia could end up with some nice first week sales.

    Also I wonder what Katy will sell during this first week, for this latest album. I am going to guess at least 200,000+.

  42. I was thinking 200k-250k for Katy as well. I would not have guessed Fantasia would be near that.

    Yet releasing so many singles for Katy every week, maybe that stunted album sales. Unless they are hoping for ‘Complete my album.’

  43. Not much on the adds front so far today — IIHY got an add from a rhythmic station in Charlotte

    Nothing for TT or SBL

  44. The whole HAC vs. POP argument is more relevant for the songs in the Top 20 of each format, because of the difference in # of spins. When you get to songs lower down the list, especially out of The Top 40, it doesn’t seem to make a huge difference which format you are in — the sales are still going to be sluggish

    For instance, David Archuleta has passed Kris on the mediabase Pop chart, but TT is still ranked much better on iTunes (SBL is at #618, TT is at #355). How much this has to do with the music video exposure, and how much is has to do with the length of time the song has been out, IDK. If SBL gets into The Top 40 on Pop, maybe the sales will jump. When the MV gets released, maybe the sales will jump. But if this song continues to struggle saleswise, will people say it’s because Jive pushed it to the wrong format, or that they chose the wrong song?

    ETA

    I do think that if you are releasing a song to Pop, it really really really helps if it is a song that rhythmic stations would be interested in adding. That is a HUGE market that too many songs by Idols don’t tap into

  45. I am surprised that this is only Fantasia’s third studio album. For some reason I thought that she had put out more albums than that. And I had originally thought she would sell a lot less than she probably will sell. ( I had thought she might sell between 20,000-30,000 albums.)

    I think that I was figuring that this CD’s sales would do similar to what Clay Aiken’s last did. But it looks like it’s going to do better I read that her last album Fantasia, debuted with 133,000 album sold the first week it was out. I wonder how “Back to Me” will end up doing.

    I wonder if Fantasia will possibly sell at least 100,000 copies of this CD this first week? Or if that is too high of an estimate. I do think that Katy will sell 200,000+ and if Fantasia’s CD is scanning enough copies to possibly be a challenge for Katy, then maybe she might sell 100,000+? Or maybe a more modest amount?

  46. I wouldn’t be surprised if they do a radio edit which will be more Pop friendly, HAC could play it as well.

    sr4mjc- Are you saying it is not a POP song? And what would they change to make it more POP (radio)friendly? The guitar bridge or shortening the beginning and end? I would hope they wouldn’t edit the Orianthi guitar bridge but I don’t understand this radio edit thing too well.

  47. luly:
    08/24/2010 at 2:09 pm
    Studio57- HAC is a smaller format that doesn’t sell that many singles in general, this is why usually an artist needs other formats in order to sell well. People from idol barely get played on AAA and most of them won’t be played on the rock stations that will play songs with similar sound. This is why to limit someone from idol that is only in the beginning of their career to a small format like HAC instead of aiming for both HAC and pop is imo doesn’t makes too much sense

    I am aware that HAC doesn’t sell as well as Pop. My point was that Kris is in that genre and people just have to get used to that. You can’t make pop stations play an HAC artist. Once in awhile he will cross over to pop but it isn’t happening with TT. Even IIHY is having a tougher time with Pop and I don’t know how much more pop Adam can go. Pop radio is dominated by rappers, ryhthmic leaning singers like Posner, Mars, Cruz, and DeRulo, and girl singers right now, and that is all there is to it.

  48. Shhiiieeettt…. apparently you’ve never heard an AC station. LOL. j/k

    That was funny. :) actually I don’t think I have heard an AC station now that you mention it. LOL

  49. Studio57

    But Kris really isn’t a HAC artist. He is very much a Pop/rock guy. His album has several songs that would do well on Pop (ex – LLWD, AWM, CSA. WAOMF, Heartless). It also has a bunch of songs that are much more suited for HAC (ex – TT, RG, BIB, BWCU)

    Unless they are mega-successful in one particular format, musicians need to be able to put out at least the occasional song that can crossover to multiple formats if they want to have any sort of real sales presence. They can have long careers without doing so, but their sales aren’t likely to ever be all that great

  50. girlygirl-rhymatic songs do you mean like R&b and along the lines of rap?I know on pop stations those type are gaining again.

  51. girlygirl –

    Just reading through these… it looks like what is being said is that Pop/Rock, as we know it, is now being featured mostly on HAC. I’d have to agree on this eventhough it kills me to admit it. The state of Top 40 music is not real pretty, much less innovative as a whole.

    I kinda wonder if Kelly came along in 2010, would she be played on Top40 very easily?

  52. sr4mjc- Are you saying it is not a POP song? And what would they change to make it more POP (radio)friendly? The guitar bridge or shortening the beginning and end? I would hope they wouldn’t edit the Orianthi guitar bridge but I don’t understand this radio edit thing too well.

    I’m no expert, but it’s not that it’s not a Pop song, but I think it could use an edit and punch it up a little more for Pop. It’s a little too long, they could tighten up the beginning and likely lose the guitar solo. Something more like the version they did on Leno. The may even strengthen the back beat.

    Pop radio is dominated by rappers, ryhthmic leaning singers like Posner, Mars, Cruz, and DeRulo, and girl singers right now, and that is all there is to it.

    This is why I think Sleepwalker, while still Pop needs work to compete on Pop. Because Pop really isn’t very Pop anymore ;)

    But Kris really isn’t a HAC artist. He is very much a Pop/rock guy. His album has several songs that would do well on Pop (ex – LLWD, AWM, CSA. WAOMF, Heartless). It also has a bunch of songs that are much more suited for HAC (ex – TT, RG, BIB, BWCU)

    I disagree with you here girlygirl and agree with Kosha. I don’t think any of Kris’s songs are pure Pop, yet there are some songs like LLWD that do well on CHR format. Those are becoming more exception than rule. The format allows a few of these at a time, like Hey Soul Sister, now Misery. Like we are talking with Sleepwalker, CHR is leaning more rythmic these days and HAC is playing more Pop.

    I’m assuming Cook will have the same issue selling his single to Pop. SBL is pure pop and is having issues.

  53. I can’t believe Fantasia is threatening Katy Perry’s #1. I think if she sells 1/2 of Katy’s sales, she’ll have a good first week. A good first week would go along with my theory that females off the show do much better than the guys in terms of real world success. I think all that “bad” publicity is helping by the way.

  54. If Fantasia can sell at least 100,000 albums this first week for “Back to Me” I would consider that pretty good. I think that could be half of what Katy might do. Or less than half of what Katy might do.

    I think that if Fantasia sold 100,000 albums this week that would be pretty good. If she doesn’t sell that much but sells at least 50,000 albums, I would consider that decent.

  55. poporagne

    rhythmic = think the type of stuff that B.O.B., Katy Perry, Ke$sha, Usher, Jason DeRulo, Taio Cruz, Justin Bieber, Taio Cruz, et al are putting out . THAT is the music that is selling right now

  56. I’m no expert, but it’s not that it’s not a Pop song, but I think it could use an edit and punch it up a little more for Pop. It’s a little too long, they could tighten up the beginning and likely lose the guitar solo. Something more like the version they did on Leno. The may even strengthen the back beat.

    sr4jmc- OK this makes more sense to me now. I loved the Leno version even without the guitar solo and Adam’s vocals were very powerful and intense. But would they have to rerecord the whole song or could it be manipulated in studio? LOL, they may never even release the song, but this is very interesting.

  57. If a song is played on a syndicated show, does a single play count once per Mediabase station that carries the show or just as one play?

  58. sr4jmc- OK this makes more sense to me now. I loved the Leno version even without the guitar solo and Adam’s vocals were very powerful and intense. But would they have to rerecord the whole song or could it be manipulated in studio? LOL, they may never even release the song, but this is very interesting.

    I assume it would be all studio changes. But who knows since he’ll be in the studio doing the acoustic EP.

  59. csprof

    My understanding is that it counts for every station it is played on ; so syndicated shows are good :)

  60. Studio57

    But Kris really isn’t a HAC artist. He is very much a Pop/rock guy. His album has several songs that would do well on Pop (ex – LLWD, AWM, CSA. WAOMF, Heartless). It also has a bunch of songs that are much more suited for HAC (ex – TT, RG, BIB, BWCU)

    Like I keep saying- pop rock artists are being played on HAC, not pop. Therefore, he IS an HAC artist. Not even all of John Mayer’s songs do well on pop. Again, once in awhile they will cross over like LLWD did but for the most part they will be on HAC.

  61. Two Cumulus stations went rogue and added IIHY. Kansas City and Dallas!

    ETA: Make that Three. Harrisburg, PA as well.

  62. Two Cumulus stations went rogue and added IIHY. Kansas City and Dallas!

    LOL…rogue! I love it. Hopefully this is a good sign for next week!

  63. Nice adds this week for Adam; 19 monitored, 1 unmonitored.

  64. Two Cumulus stations went rogue and added IIHY. Kansas City and Dallas!

    ETA: Make that Three. Harrisburg, PA as well.

    Cumulus Media Partners. It’s not really Cumulus we are always talking about, but we can’t complain – three new adds, one station in #5 market.

  65. ADDS THIS WEEK – IIHY

    Top40 – 7 (including 3 cumulus stations)
    Rhy – 1
    HAC – 12 (1 unmonitored)

  66. Great day for Adam- was not expecting that many! Yay!

    The Cumulus stations in Harrisburg and Dallas is not listed as Media Partners but Cumulus Broadcasting LLC- so are they different too?

    Station Spins LW Format Market Label Owner Market
    Rank Date/Time Added
    KCHZ-FM Pub 0 Top 40 Kansas City 19/RMG Cumulus Media Partners LLC 32 8/24/2010 3:14:00 PM
    KLIF-FM Pub 0 Top 40 Dallas 19/RMG Cumulus Broadcasting LLC 5 8/24/2010 3:17:00 PM
    KMVA-FM Pub 11 Top 40 Phoenix 19/RMG Trumper Communications 15 8/24/2010 2:47:00 PM
    * KMVQ-FM Pub 19 Top 40 San Francisco 19/RMG CBS Radio 4 8/23/2010 6:27:00 AM
    * WBLI-FM Pub 25 Top 40 Nassau-Suffolk 19/RMG Cox Radio Inc 18 8/23/2010 6:27:00 AM
    * WNKS-FM Pub 8 Top 40 Charlotte 19/RMG CBS Radio 24 8/23/2010 6:27:00 AM
    WWKL-FM Pub 0 Top 40 Harrisburg 19/RMG Cumulus Broadcasting LLC 78 8/24/2010 3:18:00 PM

  67. sr4mjc:
    08/24/2010 at 6:17 pm
    Two Cumulus stations went rogue and added IIHY. Kansas City and Dallas!

    ETA: Make that Three. Harrisburg, PA as well.

    LOL! Is there such a thing possible as a Cumulus Station going rogue? Glad to see them finally starting to add Adam.

  68. I guess some of the Cumulus stations have been going rogue lately on certain songs, so this doesn’t mean they will all add. Sarah Barielles was one that wasn’t added by all of them, as so was FloRida.

    Fantasia’s album dropped to #4- one of Katy’s versions is now in the #2 spot so I don’t think she is going to be any competition for her.

    Adam updates on Itunes:
    I tunes update :
    #27 IIHY
    #123 WWFM

    #78 The Remixes
    #196 FYE

  69. Monitored radio adds for Idol Alumni this week:
    19 – Adam Lambert – If I Had You (195)
    9 – Carrie Underwood – Mama’s Song (11)
    7 – David Archuleta – Something ‘Bout Love (27)
    6 – Daughtry – September (129)
    4 – Josh Gracin – Cover Girl (24)
    3 – Danny Gokey – I Will Not Say Goodbye (75)
    3 – Kris Allen – The Truth (103)
    2 – Carrie Underwood – Undo It (163)
    1 – Chris Sligh – Only You Can Save (14)
    1 – Daughtry – Life After You (320)

    – Numbers in parentheses are total adds for the song

  70. 7 new adds for Archie this week (4 today)

    * CKRV-FM Pub 8 Canada-Hot AC Kamloops 19/Jive/JLG NL Broadcasting 0 8/24/2010 2:31:00 PM
    KQMQ-FM Pub 0 Top 40 Honolulu 19/Jive/JLG Ohana Broadcast 64 8/24/2010 2:26:00 PM
    KLJT-FM Pub 0 Top 40 Tyler, TX 19/Jive/JLG Waller Broadcasting Inc 145 8/24/2010 2:00:00 PM
    KSAS-FM Pub 0 Top 40 Boise, ID 19/Jive/JLG Peak Broadcasting 100 8/24/2010 1:37:00 PM
    * KBEE-FM Pub 9 AC Salt Lake City 19/Jive/JLG Citadel Communications Corp. 30 8/23/2010 6:27:00 AM
    * KHOP-FM Pub 8 Top 40 Modesto, CA 19/Jive/JLG Citadel Communications Corp. 111 8/23/2010 6:27:00 AM
    * WIOG-FM Pub 9 Top 40 Saginaw, MI 19/Jive/JLG Citadel Communications Corp. 134 8/23/2010 6:27:00 AM

    6 new adds for Daughtry this week (4 today)

    WXYK-FM Pub 0 Top 40 Biloxi RCA/RMG Triad Broadcasting Company 155 8/24/2010 2:26:00 PM
    KKPN-FM Pub 0 Top 40 Corpus Christi, TX RCA/RMG Convergent Broadcasting 137 8/24/2010 1:53:00 PM
    WSPK-FM Pub 0 Top 40 Newburgh, NY RCA/RMG Pamal Broadcasting Ltd. 139 8/24/2010 1:06:00 PM
    KHTT-FM Pub 0 Top 40 Tulsa RCA/RMG Renda Broadcasting Corporation 65 8/24/2010 8:40:00 AM
    * WNIC-FM Pub 13 AC Detroit RCA/RMG Clear Channel Communications 11 8/23/2010 3:07:00 PM
    WRVF-FM Pub 0 AC Toledo RCA/RMG Clear Channel Communications 92 8/23/2010 9:27:00 AM

    3 new adds for Kris this week (but 0 today)

    * WSDD-FM Pub 15 Hot AC St. Louis 19/Jive/JLG Clear Channel Communications 21 8/23/2010 3:07:00 PM
    WTSS-FM Pub 17 Hot AC Buffalo 19/Jive/JLG Entercom 53 8/23/2010 6:51:00 AM
    * WXMA-FM Pub 11 Hot AC Louisville 19/Jive/JLG MainLine Broadcasting 54 8/23/2010 3:07:00 PM

  71. current iTunes ranks for these songs

    #27 – IIHY
    #90 – September
    #357 – TT
    #640 – SBL

  72. Fantasia’s album is leagues better than that crap Katy Perry is putting out, so it would thrill me if she beat her, but I’m not really holding out hope.

  73. Fantasia’s album is leagues better than that crap Katy Perry is putting out, so it would thrill me if she beat her, but I’m not really holding out hope.

    It’s so not gonna happen, but it’s a really good album. Really good.

  74. Personally I’d rather listen to Perry’s schlock over Fantasia’s whiny voice any day. But Luckily, I can just not buy either one. ^^

  75. 19 adds for Adam is a really good week…Hope it continues enough to bring him into the new talk show season and he can appear on a few before going overseas. Hopefully get a spike in sales for those appearances to sort of create a perfect storm of sorts and hopefully recreate the huge sales push the American Idol appearance generated last year when he was on. (1st week of 108K and second of 84K for WWFM) ( Of course my dream would be appearances on Oprah, Leno, and Ellen before heading abroad.) Yeah I know big “DREAM” but isn’t that how they all start…”Universe” I putting that out there…Adam on the big 3 before going overseas and then another appearance on them in the Spring when the new Album comes out….(Yeah I’m greedy. :lol: )

    To show I am not just an Adam supporter…I wish the same things for all the other idols with songs and albums out or coming out…..(Most notably for David Archuleta, David Cook, Kris, Allison, Anoop, Michael Sarver, Carly, Kimberley Locke, Blake, Kelly, Carrie, DANNY GOKEY, Everyone from Season 9, Kellie, Josh Gracin, Jennifer Hudson and anyone else I might have missed….However I do reserve my right to hold back these wonderful wishes on Fantasia until I find out more about what really is going on with this whole mess….I am starting to feel manipulated and used…I want to look into the situation in more depth. Which is my precognitive. (Cue Anoop….. LOL)

    Oh and finally I also want these awesome wishes to happen first for Adam then each can go the way of the listing…(except Danny Gokey moves up to the 3rd position)

    Oh and this is only my wish its not an offense to anyone or a put down of any idol or a dis to any idol…They are all great in my book for just getting the courage to try out and take the leap of faith. :-)

  76. Found this posted on the Pulse Music board:

    Adam Lambert, For Your Entertainment (5,000, +1%, 714,000) (#83 BB200)

    Great to see Adam still in the BB200 after all this time… Maybe his album will stay there ’til the new albums drop this Fall ?

  77. Regarding the Kris on Pop vs. HAC — did Kris ever say he wanted to be a pop artist? The album is really more alt. rock than pop — and I get the strong impression that is what he wanted.

    There is only 1 song on the CHR Top 20 that is in the alt. rock/pop space — Maroon 5 at #10.

    And look at how much trouble OR “Secrets” (currently #22 Mediabase Top 40 airplay) is having moving up the chart. It has huge cross promo on TV and it has been going for adds for almost 3 months.

    It is extremely competitive for a song to get much airplay on Top 40 radio — mainstream or rhythmic formats.

    Finally — in comparing formats, I think it is important to remember that the Mediabase charts reflect the panel size (number of stations) and their audiences. Top 40 is the #2 panel (number of stations) and has the second largest total audience. But it is possible to put together a lot of airplay on other formats.

    Generally, a big song will be played in multiple genres. Taylor Swift Country + Pop + HAC.

    Active Rock: 92 stations
    AC: 115 stations
    Alternative: 66 stations
    Country: 236 stations (#1 format in US)
    HAC: 102 stations (includes HAC hits stations)
    Mainstream Rock: 46 stations
    Rhythmic: 104 stations
    Smooth AC: 24 stations
    Top 40: 209 stations
    Triple A (rock): 72 stations
    Urban AC: 86 stations
    Urban: 90 stations

    The Latin segment growing rapidly in US — Regional Mexican has 68 stations; Spanish Contemporary 26 stations. In some markets these stations are higher rated than Top 40 station.

    #1 format in Canada is HAC.

  78. Thanks to the posters here for explaining that HAC is a smaller format which doesnt sell many songs. I kept wondering how Kris could have a single that is going high on the charts and the song is somewhere in the #350 range on itunes. I am beginning to get a much better understanding of how radio works. It is very interesting. I also agree with other posters here that the TOP40 seems very rhythmic oriented, and the pop/rock artists are being squeezed out.

  79. listen:
    08/25/2010 at 9:56 am

    Found this posted on the Pulse Music board:

    Adam Lambert, For Your Entertainment (5,000, +1%, 714,000) (#83 BB200)

    Great to see Adam still in the BB200 after all this time… Maybe his album will stay there ’til the new albums drop this Fall ?

    Best part of this is the sales went up without any specific promo event — like a big TV appearance. That mean that the radio airplay + touring in driving sales.

    I think it has a good shot of staying on the BB200 for the rest of the year depending on what RCA does after IIHY. Adam said there would be an acoustic FYE EP and if they do a bundle with the album that would support continued sales thru the holidays.

    In any case, if it does fall off the BB200 before the new album is released, it will return to BB200 when Adam #2 comes out.

  80. Cookiebr7:
    08/25/2010 at 10:14 am

    Thanks to the posters here for explaining that HAC is a smaller format which doesnt sell many songs. I kept wondering how Kris could have a single that is going high on the charts and the song is somewhere in the #350 range on itunes. I am beginning to get a much better understanding of how radio works. It is very interesting. I also agree with other posters here that the TOP40 seems very rhythmic oriented, and the pop/rock artists are being squeezed out.

    Rock started to vanish from Top 40 about 20 years ago. What is new is that 5+ years ago more pure pop was on Top 40. Not much of that left. But a great pop song like “My Life Would Suck Without You” still has a place on Top 40 radio.

    Even KIIS LA — which is a Rhythmic-leaning mainstream Top 40 station — plays some pop songs — but they are scarce. Here is their year-to-date playlist, ranked by number of spins….entire Top 10 plus anything that isn’t RHY/Urban/R&B…..

    1 B.O.B Nothin’ On You f/Bruno Mars
    2 KE$HA Tik Tok
    3 TIMBALAND Carry Out f/Justin Timberlake
    4 USHER OMG f/will.i.am
    5 RIHANNA Rude Boy
    6 B.O.B Airplanes f/Hayley Williams
    7 DAVID GUETTA Sexy Chick f/Akon
    8 TAIO CRUZ Break Your Heart f/Ludacris
    9 NEW BOYZ Tie Me Down f/Ray J
    10 KATY PERRY California Gurls f/Snoop Dogg
    ……

    13 LADY GAGA Bad Romance
    17 LADY GAGA Telephone f/Beyonce
    15 LA ROUX Bulletproof
    29 ORIANTHI According To You
    36 TAYLOR SWIFT Today Was

    38 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me

    39 KINGS OF LEON Use Somebody

    Also, the Pop charts are dominated by male singers right now — mostly R&B/hip-hop. Current Mediabase Top 20 Pop aiplay chart — 14 male vocalists, 2 duets (B.O.B Airplanes f/Hayley Williams) (KATY PERRY California Gurls f/Snoop Dogg). Only 4 or 5 songs with female lead vocalists — Katy 1 or 2*, Ke$ha 1, Paramore 1, Miranda Cosgrove 1. (*Katy’s CG is female lead but includes Snoop Dogg.)

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