Allison Iraheta Performs “Friday I’ll Be Over U” – Late Night with Jimmy Kimmel

The irrepressible Allison Iraheta and her tres cool band, took to the Jimmy Kimmel Live stage Thursday night (Dec.17) to perform the single, “Friday I’ll Be Over U” from Allison’s debut album, Just Like You.

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159 Comments

  1. Before twitter crashed some people who were there tweeted that she also performed Holiday. Too bad they didn’t show it. That was a very funky look and a good performance. Her band is just so cool

  2. Good for you, Allison. Rock on. My friend’s giving me her album for Xmas.

  3. Allison is a great performer live. I still think Scars should be her single though. Amazing song and she sings it with such feeling.

    Allison to me has a Cyndi Lauper persona. Different but totally lovable.

  4. The best of her TV performances of FIBOU so far. Fewer pitch/mix problems (though Priscilla misfired on one note on the bass). Allison added some interesting tweaks to the performance, especially the descending melody line on “when I’m gone” in the second chorus. We finally got to see a little bit of her throwing the mic stand down. And she was hilarious while mugging during Jimmy’s sign-off.

  5. Her next single should be Don’t Waste The Pretty. I dunno, it’s one of my favorites on her album and I think it’s the most radio-friendly right now.

    Allison’s so amazing, I can’t wait until she’s 18 and we can get married….. wait, I don’t even know her, never mind. I wish :(

  6. yay Allison. I like the ott talented kind of performers. Look at that crazy skirt/dress, red hair, awesome vocals, very coool band…..

    She looks gorgeous!!!

  7. I thought she looked and sounded fabulous tonight! I hope JK puts Holiday up on his website, but seems like it was months before he put David Cook’s Little Lies up there, (it was the end of Sept!) so I won’t hold my breath, lol.

    I always forget how low her voice is between times when I hear her live. It’s like I have this aural image in my head of what she sounds like, and I have to adjust down when I see/hear a live performance.

    I really didn’t like FIBOU when it was first released, but the song itself has grown on me, and she kills it live! Go Allison!

  8. That was excellent and yeah, I think it might be her best TV appearance version of the song. Love it!

    She looked great, loved her outfit, the hair was cute and the make-up was flawless.

    The band sounded great as well.

    I loved it.

  9. A few pitch problems, but the pop punk aesthetic kind of makes that meaningless. I’d say it was pretty damn good.

    I really wish she were getting better promotion. She looks like she’s a good live act, and I know she’d throw it down on Letterman or Conan. I’m just hoping they were planning on waiting out the Christmas freeze so they could hit the ground running in January. Maybe? Please?

    Didn’t know Galecki was on. I hope there’s video of that too.

  10. The drumming is a little louder, a little better in this performance, but it needs to be louder. What drives this song is the strong thumping drum bass hits, and it gets showcased in the studio version as the heart of the sound.

    IDK, maybe Valerie needs to add another bass drum to her kit and raise the volume levels on her set of mics. What is it about this song that Alli just can’t get it right – pitch wise – even though there were less flat notes in this one than on GMA. Max Martin messed with her vocals in the studio to the point Allison uncharacteristically, can’t reproduce it well live.
    Oh btw, Zoux(or whatever his name is) why can’t he get the right sound/tonality on the keys? I let them slide on GMA, but the gloves are off now.

  11. Love Allison but I can so do without the T-Rex hands. YMMV but it annoys the hell outta me.

    Allison and Adam must be best live singers ever.

  12. Priscilla, did somebody put glue on your shoes?
    The only one representing was my boy Immerman rocking two amps.

  13. Priscilla doesn’t dance on tv, I think she’s shy :)

    I don’t think Allison has to reproduce the studio version vocals for the song to sound great.

  14. Aww, I LOVE Allison! Loved this performance. So spunky fierce girl power.

  15. That was fun.
    Priscilla has that Robert Palmer’s Addicted To Love video chick persona. Just moves side to side without much expression. I think it is ok, in a mysterious/interesting sort of way. Besides, if she starts moving around Allison may bump into her :-).
    And that name: Priscilla Fire. That must be a stage name.
    And, one more criticism of VFF and the gloves will go off :-).

  16. Allison to me has a Cyndi Lauper persona. Different but totally lovable.

    I was thinking the same thing! Allison has a bit of an edge and has matured in such a short time. Wild child in many ways.

  17. I loved Allison’s performance of FIBOU. I think it was her best TV performance of the song so far. I was a little disappointed that we didn’t get to see her perform another song or two.

  18. Rub
    12/18/2009 at 3:35 am

    The drumming is a little louder, a little better in this performance, but it needs to be louder. What drives this song is the strong thumping drum bass hits, and it gets showcased in the studio version as the heart of the sound.

    IDK, maybe Valerie needs to add another bass drum to her kit and raise the volume levels on her set of mics. What is it about this song that Alli just can’t get it right ‘“ pitch wise ‘“ even though there were less flat notes in this one than on GMA. Max Martin messed with her vocals in the studio to the point Allison uncharacteristically, can’t reproduce it well live.

    ITA. I love Allison especially her image of gorgeous hardcore babyglammer. That dress, hair makeup is a huge WIN imo. No other women are doing that in her way and she can really sell it.

    GREAT JOB ALLI planting yourself longer it really conveys power and rebellion …and then changing up for the fun stomping and the meandering.

    YAY for working in two smiles. This song calls it! Imagine a real boyfriend seeing his scorned gorgeous gf laughing him off that’s the look you got with the smiles. Work in a stare into your camera, girl, you’ll melt the audience!

    Hard to find that balance between the [fake] purity of the studio version and going to raw headbanging rocker since it’s so different especially that upper register. “Silly me” is the money part of that song for me along with “ooo ooo ooo ooo” and the more vulnerable she can get it the better.

    Maybe transition a head voice there or something. And the band needs to be quiet there on silly me with just the melody does she have a keyboard/synth in the band? I don’t even know.

    Anyway, great job Alli you’re so fun to watch and you CAN sing circles around any other young woman around! Keep those shows coming!

  19. Allison was great! And I think her band is cool. Particularly that guy guitarist!

  20. It’s reassuring to hear that you all liked the makeup and the look, as I was worried about it. I thought her makeup was overdone to the point of looking clownish, and her mugging at the end made me cringe. But maybe I’m just too old. I love her and want her to succeed. Her singing is always stellar, and the hand movements aren’t even a blip on my radar. Can’t wait for a new single, fingers crossed it will be right after the new year.

  21. Can’t edit to add I see the keyboard now so I guess it wasn’t standing out in my ear afterwards.

  22. Aww Allie how cute are you! She looks hot! I really wish her album debut did better. Maybe it will pick up with more performances like this. I actually like this song better when she sings it live.

  23. Sophisticated rocker chick !! Great as always. She sounds and looks awesome.

  24. As much as I love Alli, she really needs to ditch this song!

    She had a big opportunity to do it here.

    But her management and the boys and girls at Jive are clueless!

    Haven’t they realized yet that this song has tanked and is not doing her any favours?

  25. And there goes the mic stand …
    Cool.
    The T-Rex arm is adorable!
    I like some of the changes from the recorded version.
    Something about her first too “silly meeee” sounds odd. Like the note on “meee” is a bit flat. If I had to correct something, that would be it (she does the “silly me” just fine a bit later, so it is not that she can’t get it right). Maybe she can change how the note goes.

  26. Wow! Great comments today. I love everyone’s honesty. You know, I always liked Friday until she started singing it live. Its the only song on her cd that I prefer the studio recording. I was never smart enough to know why, but I’ve seen a couple of comments today that I think may have nailed it…

    First off Rub – Yes!:

    The drumming is a little louder, a little better in this performance, but it needs to be louder. What drives this song is the strong thumping drum bass hits, and it gets showcased in the studio version as the heart of the sound.

    The drums are the best part of the studio recording (besides her wailing at the end). They do need to be louder and deeper.

    sleepinggiant
    ‘Silly me’  is the money part of that song for me along with ‘ooo ooo ooo ooo’  and the more vulnerable she can get it the better.

    Yes, sleepinggiant, we need to see Allison’s vulnerable side… They need to showcase it in the song somehow. No one can sell emotion like Allison. I think it would make people connect with the song more.

    I also agree with oceana re: her makeup. I prefer the toned down look that she had in the music video. I think too much makeup makes her look old, and can be distracting.

    Maybe Friday can be saved after all!

  27. I liked the makeup. I think it makes her different. She really gives me a Cyndi Lauper vibe now.

  28. Her eye makeup was just gorgeous. It looked so striking with her beautiful red hair.

  29. Cindy Lauper: Allison should have covered Time After Time in her CD. That’s probably one of her best performances from S8. Would have loved to hear a full, Allison-only version.
    Eye makeup: Don’t get what’s the deal. She is a rock star.
    Face-making: I don’t think you can take that from her. That’s just her. In her S8 sendoff one of the other finalists noted that she was always making funny faces.
    Friday: Time to move on. Friday I (am) over you.

  30. I loved the look and to me her and her band sounded flawless!! They all give off such cool vibes and Allison is just a freakin’ rockstar! This is by far the best performance of FIBOU! hands down.

  31. Loved those faces she made in the last few seconds of the vid. Hee

    Great performance!

  32. For her doing late night shows. is kinda pointless. Her demographic im sure is either asleep or has no desire to watch them.

    Which btw leads me to this, how huge would a Miley Cyrus kinda talk show/theme show be. In say an 8 oclock hour or somethin. Is there anything like that on disney channels? I guess that kinda idea just makes to much sense for abc to do.

  33. That was fantastic. She’s a force to be reckoned with – only a matter of time, right?

    (Is she the same age as Miley Cyrus? Y’know, I love “Party in USA,” it’s so cute and catchy – but, wow, Allison is in a whole ‘nother place. I guess that’s the difference between “pop” and “rock” or “star” and “singer”?)

  34. You know, I love Allison. She’s young, and has some growing to do performance wise, but that’s good. You want to see progression in the artists you follow. This is not a criticism, lol.

    I’ve watched the video a few times now, and after I finished fangirling for myself, I went back and watched it again, this time trying to see it from the perspective of first time watchers. Folks who have never seen or heard her before. The arm-waving thing doesn’t bother me, but I think it could come across as a trifle manic at times, and her look in general might be a bit much for an older audience, which is what these late nite shows cater to, yes? Don’t get me wrong, I think she looked the best I’ve seen her look on any of these TV promo appearances, I just wonder how many new folks will “get” her, from these performances. I guess it depends on individual music tastes, as always. I’m ashamed to say that if I had never heard of her before, I proabaly wouldn’t have made it through the song. But then, I’m old, lol. So glad I found her through Idol, and that, selfishly, I got at least one record out of her. I hope tptb that are in charge of her career can get things going for her. I’d hate for this record to be the last.

    Sorry to be negative. For what it’s worth, I would definitely go see her show if she came anywhere near me.

  35. and her look in general might be a bit much for an older audience, which is what these late nite shows cater to, yes?

    Jimmy Kimmel is a show with that has a high hip factor, so I think it has a pretty high viewership of people in their 20s and early 30s, and skews male. Anyway, she actually does not appear all that different from other females around, her look would not be a turn off. If anything she looks more like a punk rock chick here than I’ve seen her look before.

  36. This record will not be the last, I’m sure of that. She’s very young and even if and that’s a big if, Jive doesn’t sign her for another album, she’ll get something else. There is no way she will disappear.

  37. For her doing late night shows. is kinda pointless. Her demographic im sure is either asleep or has no desire to watch them.

    I disagree. First, she needs all the promotion she can get. Second, just because the supposed targeted audience may be X, doesn’t mean that Y wouldn’t like her. In her case, she does attract an older audience who is appreciative of true talent and turned off by no-talent “stars”.

    Which btw leads me to this …

    No comment.

  38. Great performance! Go, Alli!!!!

    I’m loving her album more and more all the time, and am sad that it’s not doing better. But, one can always hope that exposure like this can help her.

    Even if Jive ends up dropping her, I’m sure that someone else will pick her up, and she’ll eventually get the sort of career that someone with her talent deserves.

    Meanwhile, it’s Friday, so I must be over…something. Not this cold that I’m getting, though…..

    If anyone among the handful of people here haven’t already bought Allison’s album, I’d encourage you do to so. It really is a great album.

  39. sylvanaire
    I just wonder how many new folks will ‘get’  her, from these performances.

    I’ve said before that I have concerns about her “in your face” style that she tends to favor. I don’t think that style was successful for her on Idol and I’m not sure that its working for her now. It’s interesting that the two songs she’s chosen for her television appearances (Friday and Holiday) are the two songs on her CD that most represent that style.

    I think if she were to perform some of her more emotional/heartfelt songs (sorry, not Scars!), she could be huge. These songs aren’t necessarily ballads, either – another plug for You Don’t Know Me!

  40. I never thought her “Idol” style was “in your face”. It seems to be now, and it showed a bit on the tour, but I don’t think I got that from the season.
    I agree that showing her tender side would probably work better for those uninitiated in her awesomeness. Which is why I keep saying that TI should be the next single.
    “I don’t know which waay to faaaaaaaall …” Good stuff.

  41. Allison likes to be in your face, that’s her style, and one of the things I’ve enjoyed about her is that she’s managed to stay true more or less to what she wants to do and who she wants to be. If people don’t like it or a have a problem with it then that’s too bad for them who will be missing out on a fantastic talent. At least she’s being who she wants to be without harming anyone or doing things the wrong way and that’s pretty admirable for such a young person. I also agree that she wasn’t in your face during the show mainly because they didn’t let her be herself or showed us who she really was. We barely got to know her back then since it was never about her.

    The tender and emotional Allison will come out soon enough.

  42. it showed a bit on the tour

    A bit? More like a lot!

    ETA: I think Allison is still in the process of finding her style. She’s young. She’s got a long way to go. I think she was more successful on the show when she sang heartfelt songs. I think people connect with those type of songs, especially when someone can do them as well as she can. Its something to think about…

  43. Thanks Tinawina for the info about JK audience. I never watched late night TV before I started following the Idols promo circuit last year with DC, so didn’t know who typically watches these shows. I guess I equated Late Night with Johnny Carson, which only goes to show my age, lol.

    I didn’t mean to say that I thought Allison should change her style of performing, only contemplating what the reaction might be from folks who had never seen/heard her before. I think if she can get success on radio, and have a strong niche following, she’ll do fine. She doesn’t have to appeal to everybody, for sure.

  44. I said last night that this was the best TV performance of the song that she’s done. Today I went back and watched the Ellen performance, and I’ve changed my mind — I think that one is the best of the three (GMA/Ellen/Kimmel) — there were fewer pitch problems in that one. I’d forgotten it was that clean. Bad me.

    But last night’s facial expressions/attitude, especially when she threw the mic stand down, were fantastic.

    Rub: What is it about this song that Alli just can’t get it right ‘“ pitch wise ‘“ even though there were less flat notes in this one than on GMA. Max Martin messed with her vocals in the studio to the point Allison uncharacteristically, can’t reproduce it well live.

    I don’t think that’s it. The part that she’s having the most trouble with is the “silly me” line, and there’s no particular reason it should give her any trouble. It’s a very small interval between those two notes (a minor third), so it’s not a tough jump, and it’s just about smack in the middle of her range. And the “to believe” line right after it is a bigger interval (a major third), and it was fine. Combined with the other, more minor pitch problems, I’d still bet that it’s a monitor issue. Whatever it is, it’s weird, because she’s had more pitch trouble in three performances (heck, probably in either GMA or Kimmel alone) than she did in her entire time on Idol.

    One change that she made for this performance does relate to the way Max Martin arranged the studio recording, though — late in the song when she sings the title line starting way up high and marching down. When we first heard the single back in October or whenever, I was very surprised by that part, because the first note is the highest one we’ve ever heard her hit, and it sounded much more effortless on that recording than when she hit it on tour in Cry Baby and Barracuda. Well, Kimmel is the first of the TV performances in which she’s done that high line, and she couldn’t pull it off. I didn’t think it sounded awful, given the overall context, but I think it’s just too high for her to try doing live. I had been expecting that they’d drop the key a half or whole step for the song so that she’d have more room at the top of her range to do that line, but they haven’t.

    The drumming is a little louder, a little better in this performance, but it needs to be louder.[…] IDK, maybe Valerie needs to add another bass drum to her kit and raise the volume levels on her set of mics.

    I thought the opposite — that the drums had a much stronger, more live (i.e. better) sound in the other two TV performances, and that they were too far back in the mix here. I don’t think it’s her playing at all — I think that’s excellent — just the mix.

    Priscilla, did somebody put glue on your shoes?
    The only one representing was my boy Immerman rocking two amps.

    I think part of the problem is that the director decided to focus on Priscilla every time she jumped up to those high notes and swooped back down (which I love, btw) — and that’s the part of the song in which she has to concentrate hardest on her instrument, to make sure she hits the right note when she jumps up there. (I have to practice really hard to do smaller jumps than that without looking.) So, it’s the worst time to show her on screen if you want to see her being animated. I noticed her being animated much more in the Ellen performance. Still, she does seem to be the one who needs the most work on loosening up.

    On the other hand, stoic bassists are a tradition, anchoring not only the music but the band’s personality. One of the greatest of all time, John Entwistle, stood there totally expressionless and motionless — except for the fact that his fingers were moving so fast you could hardly see them!

    Also, if I recall correctly, and I think one of us may have commented on this before, she was much more animated when she was fronting Fire At Play.

    yinyang: I’m loving her album more and more all the time, and am sad that it’s not doing better.

    Well, while we all wish it was selling more right now, I’m surprised it’s done this well in its first two weeks. No reason to worry at this point. She’s essentially a new artist with a 46K head start on album sales, and that makes me pretty happy.

    PRMari: I also agree that she wasn’t in your face during the show

    Count me as another person who thinks this. I agree that one of her ballads (Trouble Is, dammit!) is likely to do very well, because ballads win. But this is who she is — all of it. Some people are going to like some of it, some will like all of it, some none. All we can do is hope that more like it than not.

  45. anyway,
    How about that Rachel McAdams… have mercy!
    Now thats everybodys style
    Even Johnny Carson

    Oh, the band with Alli look super cool on stage – good looking band.

  46. I liked the vocals and overall look. One thing Allison could work on is being more camera friendly on TV stuff. The manic jumping around means we don’t get much of a close-up for long.

    But she is amazing and awesome. Hoping she gets to tour next year!

  47. JohnM
    All we can do is hope that more like it than not.

    I only hope that enough people like it, so that she can continue to record the music she wants for many years to come. Did you really mean 50%+1? Is that even possible for an artist?

  48. Did you really mean 50%+1? Is that even possible for an artist?

    Naw, I just kinda liked that phrase at the time I was typing that sentence, and I knew it was playing fast-and-loose. As you might know, I’ve said various times that I don’t even care if she stays with a major label — all that matters to me is that she’s successful enough to make a decent living while continuing to create good music for all of us.

  49. I think that her live performances sound a lot different from the studio version because of the autotune factor. It sounds like they raised her up a key or so higher than her natural register. I don’t have any proof of that, but after watching her performances against the studio version, it sounds like that may be the reason.

  50. Those twitpics are great. The first one reminds me a LOT of Pat Benatar. The other two are just beautiful.

  51. Watch the AOL session performance of FIBOU, no pitch problems AT ALL and it’s the exact same music so whatever problems there are with these performances have do to with mixing and probably her not hearing herself too well over the music.

    I think that her live performances sound a lot different from the studio version because of the autotune factor.

    Uggh, Allison doesn’t need autotune. I seriously doubt they used it on her. I think you mean they processed her voice.

    Those twitpics are great. The first one reminds me a LOT of Pat Benatar. The other two are just beautiful.

    In that first one she looks ready to kick stupid-dude-who-broke-her-heart’s butt and you’re right, very Benatar-like. The other two are very pretty shots, specially the one where she’s looking down.

  52. JohnM :The part that she’s having the most trouble with is the ‘silly me’  line, and there’s no particular reason it should give her any trouble. It’s a very small interval between those two notes (a minor third), so it’s not a tough jump, and it’s just about smack in the middle of her range. And the ‘to believe’  line right after it is a bigger interval (a major third), and it was fine. Combined with the other, more minor pitch problems, I’d still bet that it’s a monitor issue.

    True, and its happening in all the televised performances of Friday – even on Sessions it wasn’t tiptop(if I remember correctly)but it was better.
    Is anybody giving her feedback and try to correct the problem? Or is it that we’re just too much into sound and music that it bugs us to no end? You might be right about the monitor issue, though how coincidental to happen just for Friday.

    drums…I don’t think it’s her playing at all ‘” I think that’s excellent ‘” just the mix.

    Her playing is spot on. I like her style and power. Its is the mix, but at the same time I would add another kickdrum just for power in this track. And its probably more gear to haul around, which could be a reason to keep it simple, because when the gig is over, the worst part is to pick and carry the equipment back home. So I can see that.

    In that behind the making of the video we saw early on, Priscilla was doing some funky moves that really looked real cool. Im sure she’ll shake it off down the road.

  53. IdolThoughts: It sounds like they raised her up a key or so higher than her natural register.

    Yes, that’s what I speculated when the single was released — or rather that they may have used Auto-tune to raise that one high/descending line I discussed in my post on the previous page (the rest of the song is pretty comfortably within her range).

    But given that they performed it last night in the same key as on the record and she went for that high line, I’m somewhat more doubtful that they used Auto-tune in the studio to raise her up.

  54. If you read articles regarding autotune…nearly everyone in the biz stresses that ALL artists use it to touch up studio stuff. It doesn’t take anything away from the artist…but ideally everyone wants a polished album that sounds perfect. Actually, I remember reading an article that mentioned Norah Jones as one of the only artists that created an album without using it. I don’t remember where I read that.
    Even though the key of the song is the same live, it doesn’t mean her vocal sits at the same place. To me, it sounds slightly manipulated and perked up on the record. I like the studio version a lot. I don’t care for the song itself and I much prefer to hear her sing her other songs live like Don’t Waste the Pretty and Holiday.

  55. PRMari: Uggh, Allison doesn’t need autotune. I seriously doubt they used it on her. I think you mean they processed her voice.

    Well, I think IdolThoughts was onto something else. We all know that Allison doesn’t need Auto-tune for pitch correction (at least when she can hear herself properly!). But it does get used for pitch shifting, which is what IdolThoughts was thinking. As I mentioned, I had the same thought when it was released — I think producers/labels prefer higher melodies in singles so that they’ll stand out on the radio, and I could imagine Martin using pitch shifting on that track in support of that goal — just wanting to nudge the pitch a half or whole step higher than is usually comfortable for her, on that one high line.

  56. Precisely. Autotune may have been used not to help the artist, but to change the dynamics of the sound with out any real concern of how much a mission could turnout for live performing. I know there’s software like Logic Studio and others to do all the work in a live setting, but it would require a tech and gear with more failure points to worry about, which equates to more money invested.

    Just tune down 1/2 a step or a whole step and problem solved, simple.

  57. Which sounds pretty ridiculous since then the singer will have to perform the stupid song in a key that isn’t comfortable for them.

    You might be right about the monitor issue, though how coincidental to happen just for Friday.

    Err…FIBOU is the only full song we’ve heard on tv so of course we’ve only noticed it on FIBOU.

  58. PRMari, I know
    There was DWTP and JLY and Holiday and possibly scars. She was pretty good on those. To your credit, she did sound way better on Viernes in that clip from GMA. That song(Viernes) performed at GMA is probably my favorite post idol performance because it had that club atmosphere sound of a band jamming in front of you. I have that one in my Ipod and it gets played all the time.

  59. Yes JohnM and Rub… that is completely what I was getting at. Thanks for saying it better!

  60. PRMari: Which sounds pretty ridiculous since then the singer will have to perform the stupid song in a key that isn’t comfortable for them.

    Yeah, stupid modern age in which technology is king. (Hmm, sounds like a good subject for a song — let’s see — “Bustin’ up your laptop…”) But as Rub and I have noted, it’s easy to change the key to a more comfortable one for live performances, especially on songs like Friday that have a fairly limited total range (off the top of my head, I think Friday is only one octave, other than that one high line).

    … which brings me right back to my speculation that they probably didn’t shift the key in the studio after all.

  61. There was DWTP and JLY and Holiday and possibly scars

    None of those were performed on tv with a full band and good sound for us to hear every single less than perfect thing she did. In acoustic numbers she probably hears herself much better.

  62. Me: Well, I think IdolThoughts was onto something else.

    Hmm, I played right into IdolThoughts’ pun there, didn’t I? ;-)

    Reminds me of a Canadian band that was pretty big in the 80s, at least on the Ottawa station I listened to. Back then we couldn’t just look stuff up on the web, of course, so when the DJs started playing this band, I wasn’t sure what their actual name was until I went to the record store to get their album. I didn’t know if the album was going to say “Idolize” or “Idle Eyes” — turned out to be the latter.

  63. PRMari: None of those were performed on tv with a full band and good sound for us to hear every single less than perfect thing she did. In acoustic numbers she probably hears herself much better.

    Right. Acoustic is always going to be easier to hear properly. And I wouldn’t be surprised if they had more soundcheck time for the AOL Sessions than for these TV appearances, to get the monitor levels right.

    Rub: Is anybody giving her feedback

    Hopefully not in her monitors! :-D

  64. JohnM: I think IdolThoughts

    YES!! I knew it would happen one of these days. But seriously…don’t we all? ;-)

  65. None of those were performed on tv with a full band and good sound for us to hear every single less than perfect thing she did. In acoustic numbers she probably hears herself much better.

    True.
    It is weird and a mystery as to why she trips constantly over the same stone. When it comes to being in tune with the band, Alli was always solid on the show(maybe a little DWTMAT) pitch perfect. Well, on Alone barely drifted flat on “till I met you” bit, but Im just nitpicking. On tour she was a rock.

    Hey JohnM, maybe its time to change those Hankies in-ear monitors.
    If it was recorded or mixed without altering the pitch, it would always help bringing the band down half a step. Who’s managing/directing the band? I would change a few things starting with staging the drums better, fine tuning the keyboards and pronouncing the guitar a little stronger on Holiday would make my day. Maybe the engineer.

  66. this was an awesome performance! one of the best ones so far of FIBOU! i loved it!

  67. About Allis future, I doubt she’ll go with an indi label anytime soon. I think the folks at Jive know what they have and were quick to lasso her before anybody else. They have a roadmap for the teenager with a great album. Trying to promote her in the last 2 months in what is probably the busiest time of year in music in recent memory, was sure make 19/Jive rethink a bit and hold back. Selling 31k in its 1st week without practically any exposure of her music is an achievement and should be decorated successful. Friday is nice and all, but there’s an arsenal of ‘big guns’ ready to be unwrapped – with months of material to feed. Another major label would scoop her up in a heart beat if Jive were to drop her. She can even switch genres and go for R&B where she may have more success & stardom than probably rock could ever give her, and she’s got the chops to back it up too. The possibilities are endless.

  68. Rub: Well, on Alone barely drifted flat on ’till I met you’  bit, but Im just nitpicking.

    Yeah, that “you” has always bugged me — in an analytical way, that is. I think the tone she used for that note somehow accentuated the flatness — I think she was so close to the pitch that it was essentially imperceptible, but the tone made it seem barely perceptible. Or maybe I’m just talking out my butt.

    Speaking of that stuff…

    PRMari: You music freaks pay too much attention

    Now what on Earth gave you that crazy idea?? ;-)

    Rub: If it was recorded or mixed without altering the pitch, it would always help bringing the band down half a step.

    Oh, definitely. I’m really surprised that they didn’t bring it down, frankly by a whole step, given that there was even a chance that she’d go for that high line.

    Who’s managing/directing the band?

    Sometime in the last couple of months, some tweets were uncovered from some guy who apparently was the music director for all three Kradison bands. But I think that was just an early rehearsal thing — no clue who might be dealing with her band now. And who knows if they even send an engineer out with them to these one-off gigs or just use a house engineer?

  69. She can even switch genres and go for R&B where she may have more success & stardom than probably rock could ever give her, and she’s got the chops to back it up too.

    I hate to say this but if she goes for R&B, I think that’s it for me. Sorry, I love the girl, but I hate today’s R&B music and never want to see her in that genre. She loves rock and it would be very sad if she had to completely change who she is and what she loves to be successful, just no.

  70. I hear ya, PRMari. I know you’ve seen me say this before — what passes for R&B these days has nothing to do with R&B. Now old-school R&B, that’d be a whole different story. Yeah, I know she doesn’t think of that as her thing, but she’s so cut out for it.

    Anyway, there’s no use in thinking about the possibility that her album will fail and she’ll have to find another path — she’s just barely gotten started and is off to a respectable start, and at this point there’s no reason at all to think that she won’t sell enough to get a second album. There’s just no way to know either way.

  71. I hate to say this but if she goes for R&B, I think that’s it for me. Sorry, I love the girl, but I hate today’s R&B music and never want to see her in that genre. She loves rock and it would be very sad if she had to completely change who she is and what she loves to be successful, just no.

    Yup me too. That would be the deal-breaker. But she has said she wouldn’t do that, I think she would fight it, however tptb are powerful and could be persuasive I’m sure.

    Anyway, there’s no use in thinking about the possibility that her album will fail and she’ll have to find another path ‘” she’s just barely gotten started and is off to a respectable start, and at this point there’s no reason at all to think that she won’t sell enough to get a second album.

    So true, it’s just amazing to me that people keep talking about Alli, Kris, and Adam not getting a second album, when they have barely gotten started on promoting the first one. I really, really don’t understand that kind of thinking. I mean, why do people want to jump to those conclusions so prematurely? The label put money into these three because they hope to make money from them, they aren’t going to give up after a month or two. Ridiculous, silly idea.

    Uggh, Allison doesn’t need autotune. I seriously doubt they used it on her. I think you mean they processed her voice.

    She doesn’t need it, but that doesn’t mean they won’t do it. A lot of producers these days over-process the music in the studio. Kelly Clarkson doesn’t need it either, but she gets over-processed too. I think that FIBOU is way too processed. The Spanish version is more real and natural sounding. Allison has a beautiful voice, they should let it show. I think FIBOU is the most heavily processed song on the cd, at least that’s my initial impression.

  72. She has an Avril vibe and kind of reminds me of Pink’s attitude. I love her voice and energy.

  73. She loves rock and it would be very sad if she had to completely change who she is and what she loves to be successful, just no.

    She loves rock, I love rock, and more importantly, she was born to rock.
    I was checking out Priscilla again and she did alright, she’s got a seductive stage presence. They were all looking fierce in black except for zoux.

  74. Are you telling me the guy who was struggling with Cry Baby is the band director?
    Well then .

  75. Hey Rub, better change your password. Someone got a hold of it and started writing nonsense about her going into R&B. :-)
    Pop-Rock (more Rock than Pop) is where she should be. She has the chops, and that’s where she seems to want to be. So its a win-win.

  76. Are you telling me the guy who was struggling with Cry Baby is the band director?

    Without rehearsing it, sure.

  77. Well, that’s a coincidence — just heard Susan Tedeschi on the radio this afternoon. Yeah, that one would certainly work. But here are the two that I’ve mentioned in the past as ones that come to my mind for her, one rockin’, one slow:

    The Fire Down Below (Bob Seger) – I often think Allison was born to sing stompin’ blues like this, and I swear Bob Seger wrote this song 30-odd years ago specifically for her.

    Stormy Monday (T Bone Walker, best known via this Allman Brothers version) – the most beautiful blues song I’ve ever heard.

    And you know, you would have seen these suggestions back in late October if you’d been hanging out at Allison’s site. ;-) At least somebody loves me, right, LoveDaRocker??

    But seriously folks, you can see a bunch of suggestions that PRMari, I, and others made in this thread:
    http://www.allisoniraheta.com/us/content/just-fun

    BTW PRMari, I see you’re using a new avatar over there — sweet!

  78. Thank you, the girl just takes such great pictures, I can’t stay with just one avatar for too long :)

  79. JohnM – At least somebody loves me, right, LoveDaRocker??

    Aaaw JohnM, its not you, its me! :)

    Okay, the Seger song, I hope you’re talking about the style of music only, cuz it sounds to me like the song’s about ho’s – and not the Santa Claus kind.

    The other song is way too long for me (honk shoe), but I’m sure my hubby would love it!

    I’m jealous that Adam’s already doing another video.

  80. LDR and JohnM – What do you think about this song? Its on one of my snob rock station’s annual live cd’s. I think it would be cool to hear Allison sing it… maybe in a few years.

    Robert Bradley’s Blackwater Surprise: Baby
    http://www.kbco.com/pages/studiocondemand_af.html?feed=225206&article=6026519

    Click on Baby… sorry I don’t know how to link it better.

    ETA: It feels kind of Joss Stone-ish to me… I think I remember one review that compared Allison to her.

  81. Okay, the Seger song, I hope you’re talking about the style of music only, cuz it sounds to me like the song’s about ho’s ‘“ and not the Santa Claus kind.

    Yes, you can always assume that I’m talking only about the style of music, because I rarely pay any attention to lyrics. As with most songs, I’ve never had any idea what that song is about. Bummer about the ho thing!

    That song you linked to is sweet. btw, I don’t consider a station like that to be snob rock — looks like a good station. And… another layer of the ethereal veil has been peeled back — I now know what metropolitan area you live in!

    It feels kind of Joss Stone-ish to me’ ¦ I think I remember one review that compared Allison to her.

    I know very little of Joss Stone, but based on what I do know, I’m not at all surprised that Allison would get compared to her. My own reaction to her has been that she could be good but she wayyyy over-emotes, like she’s trying too hard.

    That “emotional thing” is one of a number of things that severely disoriented me when I fell in love with Allison’s singing — I don’t like terribly emotional singing, but there she was, pouring tons of emotion into her songs. Unlike other singers, somehow it’s exactly the right amount for me. And it just seems so natural.

    While we’re passing links around… Tonight I’m listening to the recording of a concert we were at last summer. I’ve linked to it before, but here it is again — you can stream it or download it for free. Another excellent soulful, bluesy singer — Grace Potter:
    http://www.archive.org/details/GPN2009-06-25.Riverfront
    Unfortunately, I just checked and the link isn’t working for me right now, but I suspect it’s just a temporary glitch, as I was there just the other day and it was fine.

  82. That song you linked to is sweet. btw, I don’t consider a station like that to be snob rock ‘” looks like a good station. And’ ¦ another layer of the ethereal veil has been peeled back ‘” I now know what metropolitan area you live in!

    Ha! I’ve eluded to my location before – I mentioned a (somewhat famous) venue here, but nobody ever said anything. I was trying so damn hard to get that song on here without showing the station, but eventually gave up and just put it out there. Oh well… And yes, its a great station that I’ve listened to for a very long time.

    Glad you liked the song – I wonder if she’d ever go in that direction? It might be a good cover for her since its somewhat obscure.

    I think you’re right about Joss Stone over-emoting, but I always thought she was a good singer. I’m not sure how successful she was/is. She may have had trouble getting air play.

  83. … and we’re off the Recent Posts list again.

    I guess that’s okay since its Christmas week and all. I know I won’t be spending too much time here this week.

    Hope you all have a great Christmas.

  84. Robert Bradley’s Blackwater Surprise: Baby
    http://www.kbco.com/pages/studiocondemand_af.html?feed=225206&article=6026519

    I like it. Will need to rock it up a bit though. Seems too mellow for Allison’s vibe. Not that she wouldn’t be amazing on it, but it might take her too far from where she seems to want to be.
    Somehow, as it is, it made me think of Alexis Grace. Maybe I just had Alexis in my head because recently read about the second tier idols tour going on.
    Happy Holidays fellow Allison fans.

  85. I’ve eluded to my location

    Should be alluded, not eluded!

    Another note about Joss Stone… she famously sang Cry Baby during a Janis tribute at the 2005 Grammys. Then combined with a still bald Melissa Etheridge (breast cancer chemo) for a Piece of My Heart duet. Just another duet that Allison would have done better…

  86. Should be alluded, not eluded!

    And it would’ve been even more fun if you had left out the “to”, as in “I’ve eluded my location”. ;-)

    Yeah, I’ve seen that Joss Stone video on the Tube, and I agree.

    btw, when I saw where your radio station is, I did have some vague inkling that you might have indicated before that you were from that area… guess I wasn’t dreaming it…

  87. JohnM
    We were posting at some point about the importance of TV appearances, and in particular, their effect on Kelly’s Already Gone rise on the charts. I found the following on Wikipedia:

    In North America, digital sales of “Already Gone” resulted in it entering the Billboard Hot 100 and Canadian Hot 100 charts on March 28, 2009 at number 70. It dropped out of both charts the following week, and re-entered the Hot 100 chart in August 2009 at number 89 … It recently went to Number 1 On The Top Pop Songs

    Clarkson began promoting “Already Gone” on television by debuting it on Late Night with David Letterman on July 13, in a live performance in which she “belted out” the lyrics to the reworked arrangement. It was also performed at a free outdoor concert in Central Park, New York, on July 31 which was broadcast live on Good Morning America. The same arrangement was used at the Samsung AT&T Summer Krush concert on September 14, and was broadcast on Jimmy Kimmel Live! the following day. On September 17, she performed the song on VH1 Divas, and on October 8, she sang it on The View.

    The TV appearances seem to concide with the song’s re-entering and rise on the charts.
    I don’t believe Friday could have the same faith, just because the song doesn’t have that emotional component that a balad has, and the reworked Already Gone kicks some serious butt.
    For the next single, I am hoping for: an emotional power balad (TI or DWTP please), and that it gets TV play. If it is TI, I hope she does it just like the AOL sessions. If DWTP, I hope she does it acousticly.

  88. I love, love, love TI, but I don’t think that it should be her next single – I’m with PRMari on that one. What was Kelly’s first hit single? Wasn’t it something upbeat?

    I think she needs an upbeat hit first, followed by TI to cement her star status.

    I also don’t think Holiday should be the next single because I think its polarizing. She needs something more middle of the road – pop/rock with broad appeal.

  89. I think you could compare Allison’s album to Kelly’s second. Kelly had five singles released from that album…

    1) Breakaway…. Don’t Waste The Pretty
    2) Since You Been Gone….. You Don’t Know Me
    3) Behind These Hazel Eyes…. Trouble Is
    4) Because of You…. D is For Dangerous
    5) Walk Away… ??

  90. I don’t know about the music business, so I don’t know if this upbeat/downbeat is the only way to go.
    Release the Kraken! I say :-)

  91. Guys, I stumbled on what has been eluding me for a while: good quality pre-interview+performance+judges of Alli’s first performance.
    The Beginning
    Probably still there because of the name the guy gave to it.

  92. The Beginning

    LDR – Thanks so much for this!! I could never find it either and only had a really bad copy. Its like the holy grail!

    I don’t know the music business either, but I’ll tell you the story of my experience with my husband and Allison’s cd. He doesn’t like Idol – hates Simon – won’t watch, but he knew of Allison because I showed him Alone and Conan. My husband is a music fiend who owns at least 1000 cd’s, probably 4-5 times that, but I really have no idea how many he has.

    So anyway, we were going to be in the car together for a 40 minute trip and I brought the cd. (Disclaimer: It was early in the morning and he had brought other cd’s to listen to, so he wasn’t very receptive) I think I started it at #6 Pieces – no response to that one that I remember. We both kind of danced in our seats during D. I was curious to know what he thought about Holiday – he said it was “non-descript”. Okay… then we get to Trouble Is and he listened for a short time and then HIT SKIP – he never does that! He said something like “yeah, yeah, I’ve heard enough of that one.” So my thought about Trouble Is is that maybe you have to already be an Allison fan to really appreciate it. That’s why I think she needs a different hit before they release it.

    Some of his other comments:

    Beat Me Up – “That sounds like a dance song” (duh!)
    You Don’t Know Me – “All the songs sound the same.”

    Then I went back to the beginning and played Don’t Waste the Pretty about which he said… “THAT’S A GOOD SONG.” Huh, that kind of surprised me, but maybe its a good sign…

    So… that’s the experience of a non-fan’s first listen. Interesting…

    ETA: I’m surprised this is so long – sorry!

  93. Well, my brother who isn’t really an idol fan has put on his iPod a few songs from Allison’s album: Holiday, Pieces, Still breathing and D is for dangerous. He likes rock more than anything. He’s not really a fan of voices, more of general music.

  94. My husband put the whole album on our computer along with everything else he owns. He listened again when he did that, but I didn’t ask him about it. I’ve seen him dance a couple of times to D!

  95. LoveDaRocker: The TV appearances seem to concide with [Already Gone’s] re-entering and rise on the charts.

    Yes — because it was released as a single at that time (2-4 weeks after those July performances, which were part of the rollout). I’m sure radio picked it up in a hurry at that time as well, thus contributing a lot to the sales.

    But I agree that TV appearances help. As I recall, when we discussed this before, I was saying that I don’t think concert performances (seen by a few thousand at a time) would help sales very much, and then you pointed out that TV performances (potentially seen by millions) would help. And I certainly agree about that. The TV angle just didn’t cross my mind until you brought it up.

    But I think the recent David Cook experience is a much better indicator of how much TV can help, because unlike those Already Gone performances which were part of the overall single rollout, he did an isolated performance of a non-single on Carrie’s Christmas special a couple of weeks ago, with no corresponding marketing going on, more than a year after his album came out. Did you see the Cook fandom cheering his spike on iTunes after that performance? It was a pretty spectacular rise. There’s your evidence for the power of TV (and of Cook himself).

    I don’t believe Friday could have the same faith, just because the song doesn’t have that emotional component that a balad has, and the reworked Already Gone kicks some serious butt.

    And because Kelly is an established zillion-selling star, which gives anything she does an enormous head start.

    alli lurker: I think she needs an upbeat hit first, followed by TI to cement her star status.

    That’s what I’ve said too. I don’t think you absolutely have to do things that way, but it seems like it’s a very common pattern, and I worry a bit about her getting stereotyped as a ballad singer.

    Now, I’m going to say something about your husband, and I want you to read very carefully — get him to a psychiatrist, NOW! Skipping Trouble Is is a very clear sign of serious, um, trouble!

    Actually, though — make sure he gives it a listen on the best possible sound system if he hasn’t already — the car is a terrible place to hear music well. I know you mentioned that he’s listened to the album again… but I think the sound quality makes a huge difference when trying to get someone to appreciate that rich tone of hers, which is displayed in the verses of that song more than anywhere else on the album.

    Other than that, his reactions don’t surprise me (well, other than the fact that D doesn’t seem to me like a danceable song in the least). I enjoy Holiday well enough, but it is simplistic (which sort of translates to his “nondescript”), and that’s why it’s not one of my top favorites. And I think DWTP is one of the two best songs on the album (with TI, but with D nipping right at their heels) — it’s a great combination of classic rock sounds / harmonies / chord progression with a bit of a modern feel due mainly to the rhythmic stuff.

    LoveDaRocker: For the next single, I am hoping for: an emotional power balad (TI or DWTP please),

    Well, I’ve been wondering when I was going to be pushed to the point of bringing up this subject: Just what is a power ballad? (Background: I never met a power ballad I liked until Allison sang Alone.) Maybe my definition of a power ballad is narrower than others’ — I’ve always thought of it as sort of a clumsy, doomed marriage of sensitive emotion and pretentious hard rock attitude. Heart’s original version of Alone is a perfect example — I always laughed at it back in the 80s, especially whenever I saw the video.

    With that in mind, I don’t think of either of those songs you mentioned (DWTP and TI) as power ballads. I don’t even think of DWTP as a ballad, period. The only two songs on the album that I think qualify as power ballads are Still Breathing and No One Else — but I don’t get that look-at-me-I’m-a-rocker pretentiousness from them (I’m not sure she’s capable of taking herself that seriously!), so I’m good with them (although they’re fairly far down my list of favorites).

    What do you guys think of when you think “power ballad”? And remember, we may have to keep this thread going until New Year’s! Or we could just go over to Allison’s site, but I digress… ;-)

    I have to go off to my weekly hockey game, so I won’t be around for the next few hours.

    I’m surprised this is so long ‘“ sorry!

    Amateur! ;-)

  96. alli lurker, I am convinced.
    The reason I like TI so much is that I know what I am looking for, and TI gives me the things I love about Alli. The “unsuspecting public”, as PRMari calls the uninitiated, might not appreciate these things (yet). So I agree that it might not catch on.
    Holiday, I agree that Holiday is just too hard. I love that it is in the CD, and will make for a great live performance, but I am not even sure it should be released as a single.
    DWTP, this might be the way to go. Although, I have to say, D is on my top 3 (along with Holiday and TI). I can imagine her opening a concert with D.
    Blues, Something missing from this album is a blues song. We had a discussion about blues earlier, but I didn’t want to jump in because I know little about blues. I do know that Norah Jones added a blues song in her debut album Come Away With Me (great album, BTW) called Turn Me On (cover). She made it her own by adding some of her Jazzy vocals and its one of my favorites in the album. Something like that would have worked for Alli.

  97. JohnM:
    Power ballad is a very loose term that I associate with slow and emotional songs, generally by a Rock band, which have a Rock edge to them. The emotion acquires a different vibe than what you would get in a “love song” because the guitars, drums, and the singers Rock-like vocals give it a sort-of “power” regular ballads/love songs don’t have. Heart’s Alone and What About Love, Roxette’s Listen To Your Heart, Aerosmith’s Don’t Wanna Miss A Thing, Journey’s Who’s Crying Now and Open Arms, and Survivor’s The Search Is Over, are examples.
    I agree that DWTP may not qualify. But TI does.
    Anyway, the wife is calling. She might get jealous of my “Robot Love” :-).

  98. John, you forgot Just like you. Allison has three ballads in her album, Just like you, Scars and Trouble is. One could also call Still breathing a rock ballad…sort of.

  99. You’re right, PRMari, I did forget Just Like You — I was running late for my game, and so I was writing so fast that I didn’t stop to think through the whole album. But if I had remembered JLY, I doubt I would have listed it, because I was only listing the songs that I think of as power ballads, not simply ballads. And I’m kind of on the fence about putting JLY in the power ballad category. Maybe it ought to be, but I never think of it that way — I think of it as “the pop-rock ballad that Max Martin wanted to sound like a Kelly ballad”.

    But I’m really interested that you said there are three ballads altogether, because I say there are five — and the two that you left off are the same two that I listed above as the power ballads — Still Breathing and No One Else.

    As I said before, the pretentious tough-rocker attitude is an important part of my definition of power ballads, and yeah, it’s probably too narrow a definition, but I guess those are the songs that I heard referred to by that name when it became popular in the late 70s or at least the 80s. So, I suppose I’d actually call Still Breathing and No One Else (and I guess JLY too) rock ballads rather than power ballads, because again, I don’t get any tough-rocker pretentiousness from her singing, even though those two songs themselves are quite clich in some ways and could easily be performed as pretentious power ballads.

    Sheesh, going way too academic there, I guess!

  100. I included Still breathing and was also going for No one else, which I also see as sort of a rock/pop power ballad as well. I never get tough-rocker pretentiousness from her, it comes natural to her. So using that definition none of them are power-rock ballads ;)

  101. And, expanding on my definition, I don’t know if I can coherently differentiate a rock ballad from a power ballad. So in the end, regarding power ballads, I leave you with a famous quote said regarding a very (very) different issue: “I know it when I see it”.

  102. If you type in “power ballad” on youtube, it takes you mostly to 80’s metal bands (cringe). One post had this comment…

    This is what happens when you take sincere passion… and mix it with the pure power of rock.

    By that definition, I guess any song Allison does that has heartfelt lyrics and rock music will be a power ballad!

    In 2003 VH1 did a special “25 Greatest Power Ballads” They are…
    (Check out #12 – Carrie’s exit song; #2 Don’t Want to Miss a Thing; and #3 Beth)
    (25) Ozzy & Lita “Close My Eyes Forever”
    (24) Van Halen “When It’s Love”
    (23) Staind “It’s Been a While”
    (22) Scorpions “Still Loving You”
    (21) Queensryche “Silent Lucidity”
    (20) Tesla “Love Song”
    (19) Kid Rock “Only God Knows Why”
    (18) Cinderalla “Don’t Know What You’ve Got Til It’s Gone”
    (17) Heart “These Dreams”
    (16) Nickelback “How You Remind Me”
    (15) Skid Row “I Remember You”
    (14) REO Speedwagon “Keep on Loving You”
    (13) Lenny Kravitz “Again”
    (12) Motley Crue “Home Sweet Home”
    (11) Metallica “Nothing Else Matters”
    (10) Whitesnake “Is This Love”
    (9) Night Ranger “Sister Christian”
    (8) Def Leppard “Love Bites”
    (7) Poison “Every Rose Has It’s Thorn”
    (6) Guns N Roses “November Rain”
    (5) Bon Jovi “I’ll Be There For You”
    (4) Creed “With Arms Wide Open”
    (3) KISS “Beth”
    (2) Aerosmith “I Don’t Want To Miss a Thing”
    (1) Journey “Open Arms”

    I think I would have picked Sister Christian as #1, but that’s just me.

    On Allison’s album I would say Still Breathing and Trouble Is are power ballads.

  103. Another definition I saw for power ballad was – when a band that is normally known for hard rock does a sappy song!

  104. Its strange how the 80’s are so full of these “power balads”, but other decades have much less. Maybe in the 80’s Rock started “selling out”? Rock bands probably tried to expand their reach by introducing mellower songs into their Albums, and that’s what probably gave rise to the “power ballad”. I don’t know, not a music historian. What I can say is that I was a teenager in the 80’s and I loved most songs on that list.
    Sister Christian is a good song.
    From those songs, I would love to hear Alli’s take on Love Song, acousticly. Alli, Dave I., candles, not much else.

    ETA: somehow, that last line sounds weird. I’ll leave it for your chuckles though.

  105. JohnM
    Now, I’m going to say something about your husband, and I want you to read very carefully ‘” get him to a psychiatrist, NOW! Skipping Trouble Is is a very clear sign of serious, um, trouble!

    Haha, JohnM! You know, this was prior to the AOL Sessions and I wasn’t on the TI bandwagon at the time, so it didn’t bother me much. To be fair, that song doesn’t really get going until the two minute mark (another reason to delay the single). I was more panicked that he wasn’t going crazy over YDKM. I think he likes it now though.

    (well, other than the fact that D doesn’t seem to me like a danceable song in the least)

    JohnM – You need to turn it up louder! I can’t NOT dance to D’s chorus. Re: the hubby – its not that he danced to the whole song, we just do this goofy thing where when we walk into a room and the other person’s listening to music we tend to do a short dance to it if possible. We’re just weird that way!

  106. If you type in ‘power ballad’  on youtube, it takes you mostly to 80’s metal bands (cringe).
    […]
    Another definition I saw for power ballad was ‘“ when a band that is normally known for hard rock does a sappy song!

    Yes! These are exactly the kinds of things I’m getting at in my definition.

    I’m happy to say that I recognize only 8 of the songs on that top 25 list, at least by name.

    LoveDaRocker: Rock bands probably tried to expand their reach by introducing mellower songs into their Albums, and that’s what probably gave rise to the ‘power ballad’ . I don’t know, not a music historian.

    Well, I think you’re quite right about that. My own feeling is that the whole thing started when Kiss made a fortune off Beth, after which all those metal bands said, “Hey, we can make money doing that too!”

    So in the end, regarding power ballads, I leave you with a famous quote said regarding a very (very) different issue: ‘I know it when I see it’ .

    Yeah — I think whenever you’re talking about the arts in general, it’s going to come down to that a lot of the time, because it isn’t easy to give exact definitions of things in the arts.

  107. LDR – What I can say is that I was a teenager in the 80’s and I loved most songs on that list.

    I don’t know most of the songs on the list! Never liked metal bands. I think guys are more into that. I liked REO Speedwagon and Journey, though. Some Bon Jovi and Aerosmith, too. I like the Creed song.

  108. To be fair, [Trouble Is] doesn’t really get going until the two minute mark

    Oh, good lord, no! The first two minutes are the crown jewel of that song — just the gorgeous voice and the gorgeous chords backing it up. If I were forced to choose only one two-minute segment from her album that I’d ever be able to hear again, that’d be the one.

  109. alli lurker
    I don’t know most of the songs on the list! Never liked metal bands.

    That’s the thing, I was never into Metal, but these songs were more “accessible”, if you will, for my taste. Also, it was the heyday of MTV, and MTV would play many of these.

    JohnM
    Oh, good lord, no! The first two minutes are the crown jewel of that song

    I hear ya. A few times I have started the song again after reaching the end of the first chorus. I think alli lurker’s comment has to be taken from the first-time listener point of view (in this case, her hubby).
    That said, my favorite part of the song is from the beginning of the bridge to the end of the next chorus, on the AOL Sessions version. Her seemingly out-of-breath “I like the taste too much and I can’t think straight”, combined with VFF holding the drums until she is done with “will you still be here after today”, is money. During the recording, the drums are not held back, taking a bit out of the emotion.

  110. The first two minutes are the crown jewel of that song ‘” just the gorgeous voice and the gorgeous chords backing it up.

    Oh, that part is ‘nice’ and all, but if you only listened to that part you’d miss… (excuse me while I obsess here)…

    The part at 1:49 when she sings “Sometimes I think” in smoker voice.

    The part at 2:27 when she does that adorable little jump just before she sings “I don’t know which way to fall”

    At 3:14 when Val hits that last beat and makes a face cuz she know what’s coming and Allison sings “Will you still be here after today” while tossing her head to the side. (This one’s my very favorite)

    And finally at 3:28 the way she says WAY in “I don’t know which WAY to fall”

    All times are in reference to this vid:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q8Y8xV_Bqo

  111. alli lurker, see my last post. We kind-of agree that her AOL Sessions is “bangin”, as she herself described doing Trouble Is live to Slezak.

  112. I note that the too higher “I don’t know which way to fall” on the AOL Sessions are different from each other AND different from the one in the Album. The one in the Album must be tough to do live, it goes higher during “Way”. I like the ones on the AOL Sessions just as much, or even more. I don’t require “vocal acrobatics”, just good expressive singing.

  113. BTW, a more recent song that may be compared with Trouble Is is Christina Aguilera’s Beautiful. Both kind of have that voice-centric begining and end with a rock-like arrangement. Haven’t seen the comparisson done before in the blog, so I apologize if it has been made.
    Beautiful is arguably Christina Aguilera’s biggest hit. That said, Beautiful was released after Aguilera was already well known. So I don’t know if it says anything about TI prospects as the next or a future single. Just wanted to throw it out there. Again, I am convinced TI probably should not be the next single.

  114. I was reading back through some of the posts… PRM noted that No One Else is also a power ballad. I would definitely agree with that one.. its probably the most power ballady of them all!

    I don’t know too much about Christina Aguilera or (heaven forbid!) Pink for that matter, because my radio station doesn’t play them.

  115. Oh, that part is ‘nice’ and all

    Ohh, alli lurker, you wound me! :-D

    you’d miss… The part at 1:49 when she sings ‘Sometimes I think’  in smoker voice.

    Hmm, let’s see… 2 minutes… borrow the 2… yeah, I think 1:49 falls within the first 2 minutes. ;-)

    BTW, a more recent song that may be compared with Trouble Is is Christina Aguilera’s Beautiful.

    “Well, you know, Allison can’t hold a candle to Christina as a technical singer” — remember that discussion?

    I was reading back through some of the posts’ ¦ PRM noted that No One Else is also a power ballad.

    That was me.

  116. “Well, you know, Allison can’t hold a candle to Christina as a technical singer” ‘” remember that discussion?

    I am pretty sure I wouldn’t have said that. I remember references to Christina on an earlier post, but not a comparisson of Trouble Is to Beautiful, which is the point I was making. I recall saying something to the effect that “Christina oversings/overriffs”, and thus, I don’t like her that much. In fact, besides “Beautiful”, I can’t think if a Christina song I like.

    Hmm, let’s see’ ¦ 2 minutes’ ¦ borrow the 2′ ¦ yeah, I think 1:49 falls within the first 2 minutes.

    LOL.

  117. Yes, I know what you were saying, and I don’t think anyone has made the Trouble Is / Beautiful comparison before. It’s just that it reminded me of a thread, months ago, in which someone said Allison kicks Christina’s butt or words to that effect, and then someone else came in to instruct us in all the ways that Christina is far superior. Just my attempt at some snark — a failed attempt, I guess…

    I know essentially nothing about Christina (I’ve paid very little attention to pop music through most of my life), but yeah, Allison’s avoidance of over-riffing is one of her great assets in my book.

  118. yeah, I think 1:49 falls within the first 2 minutes.

    Okay so we have a slight overlap… that’s a good thing!!

    That was me.

    Oops… now you know my pain when LDR does it to me.

    ‘Christina oversings/overriffs’ 

    She’s the poster child for this.

    ETA: I was never so happy as when most of the contestants on Idol stopped using the ‘extended notes’. Of course, then we moved on to the ‘make it your own/artist’ phase.

  119. BTW – I’ve decided to allow the use of the initials ALK when referring to me in posts. I’ve been jealous of LDR, and I think ALK has an ‘MLK’ feel to it.

    “I have a dream… that one day Allison will be a big a star!”

  120. I am telling you, ALK, I can’t wait for that day.
    I am going to have to buy a physical copy of the CD. This digital download thingy just doesn’t do it as a keepsake to show the kids. If I could get it autographed it would be something.

    ETA: I kind of like more “making it your own” than “imitating Mariah/Whitney”. That does give an advantage to musicians who are ok singers over better singers. Warranted? Maybe.

  121. I am going to have to buy a physical copy of the CD. This digital download thingy just doesn’t do it as a keepsake to show the kids.

    And the sound quality is somewhat better. I was so thrilled when iTunes doubled their sample rate (with the whole iTunes Plus switchover), because it definitely helps, but CDs are still king in sound quality. I now look forward to the day when iTunes moves up to CD-quality downloads. But even with no difference in sound quality, I’d still prefer the physical CD.

    I kind of like more ‘making it your own’  than ‘imitating Mariah/Whitney’ .

    Yes, I was thinking the same thing. I think the “pure singer” approach is suited to the control freaks in The Machine who just want to plug the singer into their product. I’d rather have people who know what they want to do and aren’t interested in just doing what The Machine wants.

  122. I’d rather have people who know what they want to do and aren’t interested in just doing what The Machine wants.

    Plus, it also makes for a more interesting TV show. What Kris did with She Works Hard For The Money was stunning.

  123. Well, this is kind of interesting. Jive’s publicist who handles Allison and Kris tweeted this last night (no doubt some of you have seen the retweet):

    ginaorr @Wazzzuup Allsion’s single isn’t stuck at radio. Stations freeze there playlists around Dec 15. All good for January

    It appears that she was replying to a question from Wazzzuup, so I looked at Wazzzuup’s page and didn’t see anything about it.

    Kind of weird that she’s talking about the mid-December freeze as though that’s what has stalled the single’s airplay — her spins increased last week by the biggest margin yet (+42), and she had more spins (171) than in any previous week. So the freeze seems to be doing very nicely for her. :-) Maybe she was referring to the fact that the single hasn’t gotten any adds for the past two weeks.

    And maybe she has some info indicating that stations are planning to pick up the pace in January. I know you guys will be bummed to hear that!

  124. I think she meant the radio ads, not necessarily the spins. It’s giving me hope too that they know something we don’t.

  125. I know you guys will be bummed to hear that!

    Thoughts on Friday…. I liked it when it came out. I said it would definitely sell more than Battlefield (over 1 million) because it was way more fun. I got discouraged by what other people said about it. I got more discouraged when I saw it done live. Every other song I’ve seen her do live has been an improvement to the studio version. I don’t think that’s the case with Friday. (And I know some of you disagree with me – PRM!)

    I haven’t followed another Idol like I have Allison – never even knew this site existed before her. But all of this just seems frustratingly slow to me. I think if they chose another single that she would nail in a live performance, the sky would be the limit for her. And I still believe in my heart theory – that the songs on her album that have heartfelt lyrics will do much better for her.

  126. ALK, I agree with you on Friday. I like the live versions because the band is way cool, but it doesn’t make me like the song any more (or less).

  127. alli lurker: (And I know some of you disagree with me ‘“ PRM!)

    And JM!

    I know that some of you don’t like the live version, but the senility is keeping me from remembering the details. I’ve nitpicked the technical problems, of course, but those are separate from the particular song, as PRMari has noted by pointing out that the AOL version has no such problems. I think the live version is (as usual) more rockin’ than the studio one.

    I haven’t followed another Idol like I have Allison ‘“ never even knew this site existed before her. But all of this just seems frustratingly slow to me.

    Yes, it is frustrating when you’re an obsessed fan like us. But that’s just the way it goes. Have I mentioned my Owl City / Fireflies example here? A big hit and platinum seller in the last month or two, after being released five months ago.

    I’ve never followed another Idol at all (only watched about the last season and a quarter), unless you count living with My Wife The David Cook Fan and having to drive her to four of his concerts. But it seems as though the Idol fandom sets up wildly unrealistic expectations for the speed and magnitude of these people’s success. This stuff takes time, and not everyone is going to be a big star. My wife gets a big chuckle out of the fact that Cook’s career was pronounced a failure last year because he “only” sold 100K+ of his first single — in one week! — and less than 300K albums in his first week… and now, a year later, he’s being held up as a shining example of success (which he is, and was at the time too).

    As for the heart theory, it seems like that would help, but I have a mighty tough time reconciling it with the huge success of crap such as [insert random Britney/Miley stuff here].

    LoveDaRocker: ALK, I agree with you on Friday.

    And what about on Saturday through Thursday? Hey, those jokes are just sitting there waiting to be made. If you guys weren’t so dead-set against calling it FIBOU, you could have avoided giving me the opportunity!

  128. JohnM
    And what about on Saturday through Thursday?

    Well, Monday, Tuesday, we were cool. Wednesday, I found about you …

    YDKM, is it me, or in the second verse the word “book” sounds heavily auto-tuned? Half-way through the word there is a robotic-like change of note. Its the only flaw I find on that little gem. Also, if location of tracks in an album mean anything, why is this song #13?

  129. Well, Monday, Tuesday, we were cool. Wednesday, I found about you ‘ ¦

    Good one LDR!!

  130. JohnM – As for the heart theory, it seems like that would help, but I have a mighty tough time reconciling it with the huge success of crap such as [insert random Britney/Miley stuff here].

    Allison has had the unique experience of being able to see what worked for her on Idol, and what didn’t. Lucky her. Now they just need to learn from that experience.

  131. And the third-week sales are in. Approximately 12,000, down from 14,000 the previous week, for a total of about 58,000. I’m still happy.

  132. ALK, thanks for the interview. I had almost erased from my memory Rock Week. Listening to the clips of her amazing rendition of “Cry Baby” brings back the pain of her elimination.

  133. Did you guys hear the two covers that Kelly did – at the top of the recent posts? I love both of those songs. Our radio station recorded Brandi Carlile live last year (she’s been there a few times). The Story is on this years live CD – its pretty intense.

    http://www.kbco.com/pages/studiocondemand_af.html?feed=225206&article=5367058

    It would be cool if Allison would do some small acoustic shows like Danny’s been doing. Then maybe we’d have more videos to enjoy!

  134. Hi guys –

    Can just stay for a few minutes before going back to last minute Christmas shopping.

    Watched the 4 hour HBO Rock and Roll Hall of Fame special the other day. Couldn’t help noticing the “little girl” playing bass for Jeff Beck. My wife and I decided she must be his daughter. Wrong.

    Surprise. It’s Tal Wilkenfeld. Check her out.

    http://www.talwilkenfeld.com/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal_Wilkenfeld

    The point: all this BS about needing to have a certain look or image to break into the world of rock. This girl looks like she’s about 14 years old, and yet she’s playing with people like Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton.

    Anyway, keep the faith, and Happy Holidays.

    BTW – We happen to have Time Warner Cable, and I’m getting really nervous that they’re going to cut off Fox on NYE eastern time. Anybody else have this concern?

  135. alli lurker
    12/23/2009 at 5:08 pm

    jordison? Who is jordison?

    I wish I knew. :)

  136. Ohh, Tal Wilkenfeld is frickin’ awesome! I wish I had one-tenth of her talent on the bass. I think the first time I saw her (on screen — haven’t seen her in person) was when Beck and crew were at Clapton’s second Crossroads festival if I remember correctly, and she blew my mind immediately. (JB’s Blow By Blow and Wired are how I got introduced to jazz-rock, and to the even more amazing Jan Hammer, back in the 70s — love those guys. Instrumentals FTW, baby!)

    We happen to have Time Warner Cable, and I’m getting really nervous that they’re going to cut off Fox on NYE eastern time. Anybody else have this concern?

    Yeah. I continue to be optimistic that they’ll see how stupid it is to cut off their noses to spite their faces. But if I recall correctly, they did cut off Fox Sports New York or some such channel for a while a few years back. And we can hope that she’ll do all her on-air stuff before midnight (and, for you westerners, that if they cut it off, it’ll be midnight local time rather than just eastern). But I won’t be surprised if she isn’t on until after midnight.

    Plenty of people will record the NYE show and put it up, of course, but I want the HD broadcast stored on my Tivo, dammit!

  137. Okay guys, signing off until Monday…. maybe by then we’ll have something new to discuss. I can see we’re to the point where we’re easily distracted.

    Hope you all have a good holiday. You too, jordison, whoever you are…

  138. LoveDaRocker: YDKM, is it me, or in the second verse the word ‘book’  sounds heavily auto-tuned? Half-way through the word there is a robotic-like change of note.

    I presume you mean the first verse? Yeah, I hear what you’re talking about, but I don’t think it’s processing. It sounds to me like she tightened her throat or something in the middle of the word. I hear the same kind of thing to a lesser extent on other notes too.

  139. This thread is so old its starting to smell bad!! Why doesn’t she go out and sing a national anthem or something?

    Been out lurking – saw you JohnM, and I think PRM (under another pseudonym) on Television Without Pity. Maybe I’ll join you there soon. The official site bothers me – the type is so tiny (must be for kids!!). I don’t think I want to be there, but we’ll see…

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