Idol Headlines for 08/16/09

I loved that article from Grand Rapids. So that must be what Archie meant on Twitter when he said he was going to do a few “phoners.” He was being interviewed over the phone for the press. Here are a couple of nice snippets:

“I’m really excited about the Christmas album, because it will show a side of music that I connected to on the show, but not so much with the pop music. It’s all about those emotional and heartfelt songs.”

“I think the breakout artist (award) was the most surprising and exciting for me,” Archuleta said. “Because it feels like I’ve been able to keep myself moving forward and continuing after ‘American Idol’.”

David Cook dancing as Green man at last night’s show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijDmQtB79Ho

Im not sure if I want to swat Mr Graham Rockingham on the head or give him a big ol’ hug for this review of the Idols concert. His use of the word “prancing” and “preening” ” in black leather, delivering a primal rock ‘n’ roll scream to Led Zeppelin’s Whole Lotta Love” isnt sitting too well with me at the moment. After reading “would have shivered the timbers of old Robert Plant himself.” Im still not sure if that was a compliment or not. This got me too, “Allen was great. But he lacked that freakish edge that Lambert attaches to everything he does. Which is why, when the two Idols get their albums released this fall, it’ll be Lambert we remember, not Allen.” Im a Kradam fan who hopes both boys do well and make it in the industry.

Kimberly Caldwell was on Hollywood 411 last night. She has a new gig. She is the host of a new reality show on MTV called “P. Diddy’s Starmaker.” She says it’s a cross between American Idol and Reality World. She will be the Ryan Seacrest. It premieres tonight on MTV at 10pm ET. Read more about it at the link below. There’s a trailer there too to give you a sense of what it will be like…
http://www.mtv.com/ontv/dyn/starmaker/series.jhtml

I don’t believe this video has been posted yet. It’s David A. describing what happens at his VIP Meet and Greets…
http://davidarchuletanetwork.ning.com/profiles/blogs/new-video

That GreenMan dancing video is hysterical. He is so freaking funny.

I’ll add to the morning video line up. Elliott Yamin, Michael Johns and Brooke White did a concert for WWFS (NYC AC station) on Long Island last night.

Here’s just a short clip of Elliott doing a sound check. He still has my favorite male voice ever from this show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-M08YYsUZs

As a Kris fan, I just can’t get freaked out over these male reviewers getting hot and bothered over Adam’s WLL, when Adam has made it clear that he isn’t going to be doing that kind of music on his album.

I suspect a lot of these same critics are going to feel victims of bait and switch, when that Zepplin-redux they anticipate turns out to be Gold-Gaga-Madonna-Frappe.

jpfan, thanks for the Elliott video! I just love him — was just listening to his CD this morning.

That GreenMan dancing video is hysterical.

Heehee, if I need a good laugh I know where to look… what a goof

Totally yesterday’s news, but ….. I just watched Howie Kurtz on CNN’s Reliable Sources … he did a snippet at the end of his show about the Kelly Clarkson Self mag photoshop-gate. He played the Self editor’s nonsensical statements on the Today show and basically ridiculed the hell out of her for the whole sorry affair.

Geez someone at popstar.com give that person some English lessons. I couldn’t even finish reading it. I liked the review from The Spec.com, despite the word “freakish” being used to describe Adam. Well, yeah, he IS freakishly talented!

My favorite from the Idol headlines for today is, of course, the Green Dancing Man. Cook FTMFW! What an idiot. He must be bored waiting to get on that stage and ROCK. He’s great. Just. Great. Love him still.

Thanks, jpfan for the Elliot clip.

The Eagle Tribune picked up the Dallas Morning News’ list of Idol profiles – proving that once in print, things just don’t go away – even when they aren’t accurate. Bet that Danny is excited to discover that he now plays piano!

Danny Gokey (third): Age 28, from Milwaukee, Wis. Auditioned in Kansas City. Widower. Started singing as a child. Plays piano. Contemporary Christian, R&B, country-pop.

David Cook dancing as Green man at last night’s show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijDmQtB79Ho

At least David’s concerts aren’t the type where the audience might have to experience “glitter” in their hair. Because seeing a green dancing man on stage at a concert isn’t weird at all!

proving that once in print, things just don’t go away – even when they aren’t accurate.

Yep. See: Votes, Arkansas, 38 million.

ETA: epic fail on the use of block quotes. Sorry. I was quoting Q3 and the voting comment is my own.

he is the host of a new reality show on MTV called ‘P. Diddy’s Starmaker.’ 

Hmm. If I’m up working again, might turn that on and check it out… thanks for the heads up

At least David’s concerts aren’t the type where the audience might have to experience ‘glitter’  in their hair. Because seeing a green dancing man on stage at a concert isn’t weird at all!

For some context , that was the opener’s last show on tour with David. So… not the usual show, lol. This is the first sighting of the green man on this tour – too bad he wasn’t at any of the ones I saw, haha!

As a Kris fan, I just can’t get freaked out over these male reviewers getting hot and bothered over Adam’s WLL, when Adam has made it clear that he isn’t going to be doing that kind of music on his album.

Reviewers loving WLL is a commentary on Adam’s vocals and ability to do an amazing rock song justice. Who cares at this point what is on his album. They are simply appreciating talent.

Regardless, we have zero clue what will be on Adam’s album at this point. Adam’s description is slightly different every time, they haven’t recorded or assembled all of the songs and Adam doesn’t have the ultimate say in what makes the album. Besides, even RedOne said his tracks with Adam were going to be grounded in rock, so…

Since I threw myself into this discussion, I want to add something I found interesting the other day. I listen to Pandora at work sometimes. Pandora is an online radio station that allows you to put in a band and then the site plays music by the band you chose plus music by other similar bands. The site describes the styles of each chosen band before it goes off to find similar music. Here is how it describes the music by Muse and Queen:

Muse: Features electric rock instrumentation, a subtle use of paired vocal harmony, repetitive melodic phrasing, extensive vamping and paired vocal harmony.

Queen: Features electric rock instrumentation, mild rhythmic syncopation, heavy use of vocal harmonies, call and answer vocal harmony (antiphony) and demanding instrumental part writing.

So, they both are considered to have “electric rock instrumentation” but by popular estimation are considered rock bands. Just sayin…

David Cook dancing as Green man at last night’s show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijDmQtB79Ho

At least David’s concerts aren’t the type where the audience might have to experience ‘glitter’  in their hair. Because seeing a green dancing man on stage at a concert isn’t weird at all!

I think that just about gave Adam a free pass to do just about anything. David let your freak flag fly.

From Radar Online Posh article:

The show is worried that the once and future Posh Spice is coming off as icy and wooden.

“No one can replace Paula,” said the source. “We just want Victoria to be herself.”

Just maybe that when Posh Spice is herself, she is “icy and wooden”.

There are over 300 million people in the US and 195 countries in the world. I have nothing against Brits, but why does every single big US competition show seem to need it’s own British judge? If they want another Brit on the judging panel, couldn’t they get someone good, like David Foster? And why does American Idol needs two British judges? (And yes, I know that Posh is friends with a number of the 19 crew and needs a career boost. Trust me, being ridiculed as the worst judge on Idol will not enhance her career prospects.)

In any case, I am still hoping that 19E and Fox come to their senses and either go back to three judges OR get someone who is funny and nice for Judge #4.

The Eagle Tribune picked up the Dallas Morning News’ list of Idol profiles – proving that once in print, things just don’t go away – even when they aren’t accurate. Bet that Danny is excited to discover that he now plays piano!

Danny Gokey (third): Age 28, from Milwaukee, Wis. Auditioned in Kansas City. Widower. Started singing as a child. Plays piano. Contemporary Christian, R&B, country-pop.

Q3, Actually, Danny does play the piano, and he also plays the trumpet. I read an interview with a friend of his from back home, and the friend mentioned that he played both of these. However, the blurb is wrong about his age….he’s not 28, but rather turned 29 in April.

Brits, but why does every single big US competition show seem to need it’s own British judge?

I would say cause Brit’s humor is funnier, but I don’t think this is the case with the spice girl.

I love Pandora — my #1 onlline radio choice. But Pandora still doesn’t classify Adam as a rock performer. Here’s there list of similar performers:

Similar Artists
Kris Allen
The Fray
Alex Parks
Journey
Kelly Clarkson

I get the Idol connection but Adam = The Fray?

Ozarka, I love that article about David in Grand Rapids as well. It’s touching seeing how happy David is about receiving that Breakout TCA.

jpfan, I saw some videos from that concert and Elliott sounded fabulous as he usually does. He is one of my 3 favorite idols.

As a Kris fan, I just can’t get freaked out over these male reviewers getting hot and bothered over Adam’s WLL, when Adam has made it clear that he isn’t going to be doing that kind of music on his album.

Who knows what will wind up being in Adam’s album? He’s said he plans to mix it up in terms of style, giving a nod to the rock songs he loved in the 70′s and 80′s while infusing more current electro vibes (or something along those lines). Also, with any hope, he’ll do more than one album, so he may experiment with many different sounds throughout his career. I’m hoping that, since Adam and Kris are so different in terms of vocals and visual style that they’ll both appeal to reviewers and gain lots of new fans post-Idol.

tierbee – did you ever get to bed last night??

After several viewings (for research purposes) I still have no idea if that green man is Dave, but he does use his left hand a lot, and that goofy run offstage at the end totally looks like him. Feet certainly seem big enough.

Interviews with rubber stage chickens and dancing in green lycra. Yeah, there’s a guy who’s fretting night and day about his “rock cred”.

I get the Idol connection but Adam = The Fray?

Whut???? LOL.

I bet they update that when he finally puts out an album.

I loves my Pandora. They fuel my I-Tunes habit tremendously. Heh.

Actually, Green Man dancing was just one of numerous shenanigans that went on at David’s show last night. It was Green River Ordinance’s last show as opener and the pranks were fast and furious. Somehow, and I’m not making any accusations here, “For Sale” signs were attached to all GRO’s equipment.

Today is the 32nd anniversary of Elvis Presley’s death. It’s strange to think he died several years before any of the AI8 Idols were even born…

Reviewers loving WLL is a commentary on Adam’s vocals and ability to do an amazing rock song justice. Who cares at this point what is on his album. They are simply appreciating talent.

Totally agree with this. I also don’t think there’s any “Bait and Switch” involved since in concert, Adam certainly does the type of music he says will be on his CD by performing Starlight and the Bowie Medley.

tierbee – did you ever get to bed last night??

Sorta — got about 4 hours of sleep. Now back to work, and peeking over here for good conversation . MJ, if I get my work done in time for my deadline, I’m giving all credit to your blog for keeping me awake when I run out of steam!

After several viewings (for research purposes) I still have no idea if that green man is Dave, but he does use his left hand a lot, and that goofy run offstage at the end totally looks like him. Feet certainly seem big enough.

I didn’t see video yet (if its out there yet) but apparently at some point during his set he sort of confirmed it was him? Something about how he should get an award for best green man dance, something like that. Heard he also gave Kris and Adam a shout-out before Little Lies.

As noted stupid things like that isn’t the norm for his shows. When his last opening act had his last show pranks went on during each of their sets too. Somehow I doubt we’ll EVER see him dancing around in that again :laugh_tb: I’m glad he at least wore shorts (looked like maybe briefs?) over the outfit for the sake of any kids in the audience LOL

More shenanigans from the David Cook concert last night:

Dave and gang playing poker onstage

Actually, I think the rapport he seems to have with his opening acts is wonderful. GRO have thanked DC and crew several times for their kindness to them, saying it’s not always that way with openers. Although, I wouldn’t expect anything less from David.

David Foster is Canadian and not Brit. But why do they need another Brit anyway?

About the Rocnow review (Jeff Spevak from Democrat and Chronicle):
“Allison Iraheta … seem too niche-bound. ” – Yes, she will be in the niche called HBIC.

She didn’t have too many songs to show off her quiet side (like: Somebody to Watch over Me or I can’t make You love me), so we sill see…

Reviewer didn’t like anybody but the front runners, it seems…

I seriously doubt that Adam is going to be doing ’70s rock (glam or otherwise) on his record. Going for a retro sound isn’t going to let him sell 6 million records the first week as has been expected, no matter what Pandora Radio says.

Also, if he’s working with Lady Gaga’s producer, anything approaching ’70s rock is likely not going to be on there much. One thing that’s notable about Adam’s set and his AI history is that so much of it is very, very retro and non-modern except for the Muse song. He can’t do that kind of stuff in the real world and be successful.

At Kelly concert last night, a fan gave her a cardboard cutout of Edward Cullen (Twilight)
http://i31.tinypic.com/9rpr4k.jpg

The green man dance was done in honor of Green River Ordinances last concert with David Cook and Company. It was made of win and very funny. Should have posted that with my link.

anemicandholding
Aug 16th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
I seriously doubt that Adam is going to be doing ’70s rock (glam or otherwise) on his record. Going for a retro sound isn’t going to let him sell 6 million records the first week as has been expected, no matter what Pandora Radio says.

Also, if he’s working with Lady Gaga’s producer, anything approaching ’70s rock is likely not going to be on there much. One thing that’s notable about Adam’s set and his AI history is that so much of it is very, very retro and non-modern except for the Muse song. He can’t do that kind of stuff in the real world and be successful.

Yep.

That Pandora list matches Kris pretty well, and Adam not at all, IMO. I must admit that I have no clue who Alex Parks may be. Google time.

At Kelly concert last night, a fan gave her a cardboard cutout of Edward Cullen (Twilight)
http://i31.tinypic.com/9rpr4k.jpg

Kelly looks great there..and so happy. I love the way her guitar player is smiling down at her.

After several viewings (for research purposes) I still have no idea if that green man is Dave,

I’m really convinced that is him. The way he moves around, the body shape and in the videos I a bit of tummy there.

Somehow, and I’m not making any accusations here, ‘For Sale’  signs were attached to all GRO’s equipment.

LOL I think my favorite after the green man has to be making the lead singer sound like a chipmunk.

At Kelly concert last night, a fan gave her a cardboard cutout of Edward Cullen (Twilight)
http://i31.tinypic.com/9rpr4k.jpg

LMAO And she really looks happy!
I need a KC/DC concert one day. Like… together, just being awesome and dorks.

Hmmmm….

‘American Idol’ Tells Posh To Lighten Up

I know she’s a wonderful mother – and she’s probably a fabulous wife but has Victoria EVER been light? Have you ever seen her laugh, smile or exude warmth (in public the last 10 years – if ever)? Victoria’s know far and wide as a stone fox – and she is one of the finest – but it is unfair to push this poor woman into the IDOL. It’s unfortunate for ALL concerned; especially the contestants.

Oh wait!! Weren’t the Beckam’s featured front and center on prime time TV (Idol Gives Back) a few years ago? OK, now it’s all starting to make sense (sorry – I JUST figured this out).

Q3, Actually, Danny does play the piano, and he also plays the trumpet. I read an interview with a friend of his from back home, and the friend mentioned that he played both of these. However, the blurb is wrong about his age’ ¦.he’s not 28, but rather turned 29 in April.

AEK: Oh, sorry. I was going by Danny’s AI profile and Wiki page that both say he plays acoustic guitar. Thanks for the info. (I hope someone updates Danny’s Wiki page.)

David Foster is Canadian and not Brit. But why do they need another Brit anyway?

Oh, I know. I was trying to be sarcastic/funny. Guess I missed on that one. I was just trying to say that TPTB are totally clueless!! No offense to Canada or BC intended.

(Memo to Q3: do not try to be funny in the early morning — you always fail!!)

In any case, David Foster is a good judge and I can’t see that Posh could ever be an enjoyable addition to Idol.

About the Rocnow review (Jeff Spevak from Democrat and Chronicle):
‘Allison Iraheta ‘ ¦ seem too niche-bound. ‘  – Yes, she will be in the niche called HBIC.

She didn’t have too many songs to show off her quiet side (like: Somebody to Watch over Me or I can’t make You love me), so we sill see’ ¦

Time after time was great for the softer side of FIREBALL ROCKER CHIC BB HBIC

I must admit that I have no clue who Alex Parks may be.

Alex Parks was the winner of the second season of the UK show Fame Academy, a sort of Idol-meets-Big-Brother show ie. a talent contest together with live streaming of the contestants’ living quarters and tuition.

She’s primarily a folk singer so I would say that musically she has nothing in common with Adam – though she did a cover of Mad World so maybe that’s the connection? I don’t know how Pandora works tbh.

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The David Cook playing cards on stage is not original. Roger Waters (from Pink Floyd) did it on his solo tour the last time around. I think this pre-dates David’s little stunt.

Ladyhelix
Aug 16th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Hmmmm’ ¦.

‘American Idol’ Tells Posh To Lighten Up

I know she’s a wonderful mother – and she’s probably a fabulous wife but has Victoria EVER been light? Have you ever seen her laugh, smile or exude warmth (in public the last 10 years – if ever)? Victoria’s know far and wide as a stone fox – and she is one of the finest – but this IDOL gig is an unfair position to force this poor woman into. And it’s unfortunate for all concerned; especially the contestants.

She seems realy stiff…Till I watched her on Parkinson(UK) and she was effing hilarious.This was like 4 years ago..I laughed my head off, she was really quirky and funny

I still can’t stand her though

Q3 – I agree David Foster would be a wonderful judge, think he likes to do that sort of thing, nurture new talent.

Please…please no Victoria Beckham even for a guest judge.

David’s little stunt.

I think it was meant to be a joke. They were having fun because it was Green River Ordinances last show.

The David Cook playing cards on stage is not original. Roger Waters (from Pink Floyd) did it on his solo tour the last time around. I think this pre-dates David’s little stunt.

I don’t think anyone claimed that it was original. We just enjoyed it for the fun that it was.

Also, if he’s working with Lady Gaga’s producer, anything approaching ’70s rock is likely not going to be on there much. One thing that’s notable about Adam’s set and his AI history is that so much of it is very, very retro and non-modern except for the Muse song. He can’t do that kind of stuff in the real world and be successful.

This is RedOne’s quote on his work with Adam:

‘I want to go rock — David Bowie and Queen, but make it more easy for people to get,’  the producer said of his vision for Lambert. ‘It has to be rock, but with an interesting dance angle to it, you know? You’ll like it.’ 

Adam’s set, yes WLL and Slow Ride are retro. Mad World is a ballad and doesn’t sound retro at all to me. Starlight is definitely not retro, as you said. I also think the modernized “Fame” and “Let’s Dance” sound very current, especially listening to what’s on the radio today.

Let’s face it, they are other retro songs on this tour including Hey Jude, PYT, Barracuda and others. One thing I love about both Allison and Adam, is that even though they are singing covers, they have such distinctive vocals and styles that you know it’s them. So yeah, there’s a tradeoff when you do covers. I’m not even sure that Adam would have done Slow Ride on tour except for the fact that it got so much notice and clamor for it to be included on a record or in the concert by so many interviewers and fans. I love that he and Allison have fun with it.

Oh, sorry. I was going by Danny’s AI profile and Wiki page that both say he plays acoustic guitar. Thanks for the info. (I hope someone updates Danny’s Wiki page.)

It’s okay, Q3. What’s weird is that the Wiki is so off. I don’t think Danny plays the acoustic guitar. I think he bought one while on Idol and I also think he was given one right before he went home for top 3 week….which is why he was holding it when he got off of the plane. Tha may have been what confused the issue.

However, I have read in several places that he plays piano and trumpet. I think I remember Danny saying something to the effect that he didn’t feel he was skilled enough at the piano to play on idol, though.

As far as most reviews go anymore I force myself to remember what Hanna said the other day – not a direct quote btw – that “it doesn’t matter in the end, it won’t change how I feel about my idol” – I use it as my daily mantra (before responding) the past week so I won’t be banned!! :smile1_tb:

I did, however, love Matt’s interview – a first good peek as to who he really is and not solely relying on heresay. Got my fingers crossed he gets a record deal!

David Cook dancing as Green man at last night’s show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijDmQtB79Ho

I always knew he could dance. I guess this is probably as close to a strip tease as we’re ever going to get. :mrgreen_wp:

The David Cook playing cards on stage is not original. Roger Waters (from Pink Floyd) did it on his solo tour the last time around.

It’s still funny though, and I don’t think you can copyright pranks.

Pandora is Internet radio based on the Music Genome Project. You can pick an artist, a song, genre, etc. and it will build a series of songs that you should like. Then as you provide information about the songs you like, and don’t like, it adjusts your music profile. It’s a great way to discover new artists. But it isn’t perfect.

- Since there is no PD or DJ involved, sometimes the flow from song to song is odd, or even jarring. Like all of the computerized Inet radio.

- For new artists who have very little music, and a lot of non-represative music from Idol like Adam and Kris, the profiles are incomplete and the music associations are skewed by NoBo and Idol covers. It will get better once there is more of of their own music on Pandora.

If you look at Cook and Archie, they have more accurate profiles and associations — but certainly not perfect.

David Cook – Similar Artists
Daughtry
Lifehouse
3 Doors Down
The Goo Goo Dolls
Nickelback

David Archuleta – Similar Artists
Jordin Sparks
Elliott Yamin
Daughtry
OneRepublic
Taylor Swift

I don’t think anyone claimed that it was original. We just enjoyed it for the fun that it was.

Ha, yeah, I just thought it was a funny prank, that’s all. Same with the dancing green man, though that cracks me the hell up. They were just all playing pranks on each other since it was the last show with GRO. GRO sent out the green man and someone dressed up as a monkey apparently during David’s set. Hee.

Eileen 99… a person who reviewed the concert in Arkansas on this site said that he knew people in a “know” position and the 38 million vote was correct. The number was never disputed by anyone just quietly went away when it was realized the chaos it caused.

Eileen’ ¦ a person who reviewed the concert in Arkansas on this site said that he knew people in a ‘know’  position and the 38 million vote was correct

His entire recap was one long snark. I would not put much stock into that one little throw-away line.

Besides, we aren’t going to be fighting the voting conspiracy in this thread today. It’s old, old news.

Wait! Danny plays the piano AND acoustic guitar and never broke those out during AI?

Thanks for posting Green Man Cookie. :thumbup_tb:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijDmQtB79Ho

Multi-talented boy, that David Cook.

However, I have read in several places that he plays piano and trumpet. I think I remember Danny saying something to the effect that he didn’t feel he was skilled enough at the piano to play on idol, though.

I think that it’s interesting that Danny plays piano and trumpet. Anoop also plays piano and trumpet. That’s two of the things those two guys have in common.

I have seen a picture of Danny playing the keyboard with Scott, and I have seen a video clip of Anoop of playing a keyboard on Idol while was in rehearsal with the Idol band. I have also seen an interview where Danny said that he used to play the trumpet, and Anoop has said that he plays the trumpet as well. People have also said they have seen Anoop playing the trumpet while he was in college.

Wait! Danny plays the piano AND acoustic guitar and never broke those out during AI?

Well. I can “play” the piano too. And by that I mean I can play “A Whole New World” from Aladdin.

I just have a feeling he can’t play neither very well. But also, piano/acoustic type music isn’t really his style.

eta:
“Ryan Seacrest chatted with Gokey about his picking up a musical instrument. Gokey bought a guitar because he was bored with singing. Gokey can’t play it yet for his American Idol appearances as he has a long way to go to pick up the ropes for his guitar.”

from a site called celebgalz. With a Z. I bet it’s still reputable though.

What’s weird is that the Wiki is so off. I don’t think Danny plays the acoustic guitar. I think he bought one while on Idol and I also think he was given one right before he went home for top 3 week’ ¦.which is why he was holding it when he got off of the plane. Tha may have been what confused the issue.

Yes, I remember Danny telling a reporter before the tour started that he bought a guitar and planned to practice during the tour — in his spare time!! Little did he know.

And, unfortunately there is a lot of incorrect info on Wiki — I find lots of errors about artists that I know a lot about. The Led Zeppelin main page used to have errors on the US Tour dates and was footnoted to an inaccurate article, for example, which are now fixed — my only Wiki contribution ever!! — But Wiki is only as acurate as the people who contribute to it.

I hope some Danny expert fixes his page. And updates it as his career moves forward.

Not really surprising that Danny does play piano and trumpet cause he comes from a musical family.

Now the acoustic guitar was something he said he wanted to learn.

Not really surprising that Danny does play piano and trumpet cause he comes from a musical family.

He does come from a musical family. All of his siblings sing, his dad plays guitar and I heard that his mother plays several musical instruments.

Wait! Danny plays the piano AND acoustic guitar and never broke those out during AI?

tiger92, He doesn’t play the guitar. He mentioned buying one to learn how to play it on the show. Ryan asked him if he would play it on the show, and Danny was like…”nooooo, nooo”. Basically saying, he wouldn’t be able to play it well enough.

As far as the piano, I know a couple of Danny’s friends/family have mentioned that he played, but I think Danny said that he didn’t feel like he was proficient enough to play on the show, but that he had wished that he had brought his keyboard with him to play around with.

I think that it’s interesting that Danny plays piano and trumpet. Anoop also plays piano and trumpet. That’s two of the things those two guys have in common.

I have seen a picture of Danny playing the keyboard with Scott, and I have seen a video clip of Anoop of playing a keyboard on Idol while was in rehearsal with the Idol band.

I didn’t know Anoop played the piano.

I have also seen pics of Matt and Danny playing at the piano together, and I know Matt mentioned having shown Danny a few things on piano.

I seriously doubt that Adam is going to be doing ’70s rock (glam or otherwise) on his record. Going for a retro sound isn’t going to let him sell 6 million records the first week as has been expected, no matter what Pandora Radio says.

And who, exactly, expects him the sell this much? Honestly, I haven’t even seen crazy fans with these expectations. The only people I’ve seen with these expectations are people on the sidelines who are eager to declare Adam Lambert a failure.

I didn’t know Anoop played the piano.

I don’t think he does.

And as the only Anoop fan, you better take my word for it!

I can go ask someone though.

Besides, we aren’t going to be fighting the voting conspiracy in this thread today. It’s old, old news.

Yowza. OMG Sorry, I didn’t at all mean to be controversial and thought the whole Arkansas thing was previously established as a pretty much a joke, ergo included it as an example of Q3′s previous point. Case closed.

Will now go back to being a lurking and spineless Kris fan who does nothing more than roll eyes and let Girlygirl and Vada carry the torch as they so capably do.

I have also seen pics of Matt and Danny playing at the piano together, and I know Matt mentioned having showed Danny a few things on piano

I think that it’s cool that Matt has showed Danny a few things on the piano, I believe that Scott might have done that as well with Danny.

I don’t think he does.

And as the only Anoop fan, you better take my word for it!

I am an Anoop fan as well, and from what I understand he does play the piano. Not on a level as good as Matt/Scott but he does play a little piano. I have seen a clip of him when he was on the show, playing the keyboards and singing along with the band in rehearsals, and I believe that one of his friends, said that he does play a little piano.

I am an Anoop fan as well, and I have heard that he does play the piano. Not on a level as good as Matt/Scott but he does play a little piano. I have seen a clip of him when he was on the show, playing the keyboards and singing along with the band in rehearsals, and I believe that one of his friends, said that he does play a little piano.

was he wearing a red sweater?

I hope Adam doesn’t go for 70′s rock cause nothing beats the orginals who are still around.(Bowie and Led Zep-Robert Plante)

This is one of the reasons I’m not really enthralled with Adam because the songs he does belongs to these greats. Adam just seems like a copycat to me in comparison.

I can however see Adam doing very well in something along the Lady GaGa lines.

canuck….The whole American Idol tour is a copycat/karoke show. We will not realize what these people are going to present themselves as until their first cds are released.

Will now go back to being a lurking and spineless Kris fan who does nothing more than roll eyes and let Girlygirl and Vada carry the torch as they so capably.

Eileen99, Oh NO YOU DON’T. We need to make our presence known. And resolve to scream meaninglessly at every show, since so far, only one reviewer has caught on the to the fact that the screaming is not exactly spontaneous.

@stopthemusic,

And who, exactly, expects him the sell this much? Honestly, I haven’t even seen crazy fans with these expectations. The only people I’ve seen with these expectations are people on the sidelines who are eager to declare Adam Lambert a failure.

Thank you.

And @Ladyguard,

canuck’ ¦.The whole American Idol tour is a copycat/karoke show. We will not realize what these people are going to present themselves as until their first cds are released.

Thank you.

>And who, exactly, expects him the sell this much?

Perhaps 6 million is a bit much, but there have been many Adam fans on these boards who have openly stated that they expect him to sell a million his first week (a feat not even Taylor Swift could pull off), to quickly outsell Daughtry (he was accused of supporting Kris because he was jealous) and to become as big as David Bowie and Queen. The OTT expectations have been around for a while and the “haters” aren’t the first people to bring them up.

I still maintain if that is the sound he is going for (thanks to quotes from his actual producer), it isn’t current, although with some dance beats no one may care. Of course, if it’s packaged in that way it is not going to be accepted as rock and many of the people that supported Adam (many of whom want him to bring back 30-year-old genres) may be disappointed.

but there have been many Adam fans on these boards who have openly stated that they expect him to sell a million his first week

Well, crazy fans have always been crazy. They’ve been known to harp on ridiculous things (see: 38 million votes in AR). Funny when it comes to expectations, though, that some people *coughhaterscough* actually start to take their word seriously.

Again, there are few people who expect him to sell that much. The mainstream media has never put those high expectations on him, so what a few crazy fans say on some board isn’t going to define the tone of his career.

I still maintain if that is the sound he is going for (thanks to quotes from his actual producer), it isn’t current, although with some dance beats no one may care.

Um, that same quote you’re referencing specifically states that the sound they’re going for is current. But I don’t see any point in worrying about the sound until he actually releases something. I’m an Adam fan, and even with that I seem less preoccupied about his potential for success than some non-fans.

edit: oh, you are banned

I don’t think anyone has posted this yet. There’s a longer promo out for Flash Forward with more of Adam singing Mad World. The song starts around 1:54. Pretty cool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTZqAMBhjRs

If ur not a fan u shouldn’t have an opinion about him either (esp if it’s negative and ur telling him what he should and shouldn’t do! Like u would know). Srsly, let him to what he wants!! And Adam does NOT look like a copycat, my God, everyone sings covers on the tour and u think Adam is the only one who looks like a copycat then? He doesn’t. Stupid. He does WLL better then the original IMO.

that doesn’t make sense. If you don’t like someone, you automatically have an opinion about them. If you have any awareness of anything, you have an opinion on it. I don’t like ranch dressing because it’s gross. that’s my opinion even though i’m not a fan.

I’m not an Adam fan, but I am veeeeeeeeery interested in seeing what type of music he’ll produce.

Ladyguard, true we won’t know until they put out their own stuff but right now on the tour Adam is presenting himself as a rocker.

You would expect then that his album is like that or why is doing this? It seems like this is what he likes to do.

If someone put a gun to my head and made me take a wild guess, I’d say Adam and Kris should open about the same.

With the Adam hype machine, the soundtrack and the Mad World TV show thing, if he puts out a hit debut song he has the potential to go platinum or close too it by the end of the Christmas season. But only if he hits everything just right. After that it will all depend on continued traction at radio.

I think Kris, with decent material, should do about what Cookie has done by the time it is all said and done.

I don’t like ranch dressing because it’s gross. that’s my opinion even though i’m not a fan.

Hey what would i do with my carrot and celery sticks without ranch dressing to dip them in.Watch it lady thats 1 of the things i eat durning a tweetville party.

Not in the headlines, but noteworthy, Elliott Yamin posted a rather cryptic Tweet last night:

Due to unforseen circumstances beyond my control,I regret to inform everybody that my tour is being postponed to a date yet 2 b determined

So what’s up with this?

but there have been many Adam fans on these boards who have openly stated that they expect him to sell a million his first week

I’ve been hanging around and reading this site and Adam-centric sites since DAY ONE. And I have NEVER seen ANYONE expect Adam to sell a MILLION units his first week. Not even in some fans wildest pie in the sky dreams. And I’ve seen some big time fantasies coming from some people.

NO ONE has EVER bandied about that number seriously. I’ve seen quite a few extremely SARCASTIC Adam-HATERS throw out numbers like that in their ASSUMPTION that’s what Adam fans expect.

But his actual fans are quite aware a number like that is virtually impossible even during the BEST of times in the music industry. I think most of us would be THRILLED with a couple hundred thousand units sold the first week.

(and for Danny, who pretty much rocked my world but I was afraid to admit it).

lol..poor Danny. That’s pretty much what it’s come to, though. Thanks so much for admitting it.

I know what you mean, though. As much as I take up for Danny on here, sometimes even I’m afraid to.

I pledge to remain one of the five Kris fans who post on this site!

That’s exactly what you should do! I think the site is better when it has more fans of the different idols, imo.

Not in the headlines, but noteworthy, Elliott Yamin posted a rather cryptic Tweet last night:

Due to unforseen circumstances beyond my control,I regret to inform everybody that my tour is being postponed to a date yet 2 b determined

So what’s up with this?

I follow Elliott on Twitter and I saw this last night as well. I have no idea what he’s talking about, though.

canuck…Adam is singing some songs that he thinks will please his fans. He has never said that he was a rocker nor his cd would be rock music. Again, until these people release their cds, who knows what they will be. Who knew that Chris Daughtry and David Cook were going to release pop/rock when they came across as rock on the show and on their American Idol tours.

Speaking of twitter, none of the idols have said anything in like, 12hrs.

Oh. Sarver just posted. But still.

I think the 70s and 80s are coming back around again. The 80s especially, I’ve noticed it in the fashion world. There’s many acts sampling the 80s on the radio now, so I wouldn’t be too quick to call Adam’s cd not current, when currently there are others doing the same thing. We’ll just have to see what he comes up with.

If every fan who bought a copy of RS buys the cd, it could be a pretty good debut.

And who, exactly, expects him the sell this much? Honestly, I haven’t even seen crazy fans with these expectations. The only people I’ve seen with these expectations are people on the sidelines who are eager to declare Adam Lambert a failure.

ROTFL, this is so true. I’ve seen more people who dislike Adam declaring him to be the next Elvis or Beatles than actual fans.

I adore Adam, but I have pretty low expectations tbh. IMO he has all the tools necessary to become a star, but the music industry is tough. I just hope that I like his album, that I get to hear some of his songs on the radio, that he gets to tour, and that he sells enough records to make a second album. Anything else that happens would be gravy to me.

Ladyguard, true we won’t know until they put out their own stuff but right now on the tour Adam is presenting himself as a rocker.

You would expect then that his album is like that or why is doing this? It seems like this is what he likes to do.

He’s presenting multiple sides, as he did all season. He said just the other day that his sound will likely be more evocative of Muse, which is extremely current, but has classic inspiration ‘“  I hear a lot of Bowie in their style.

This is what art is: You learn form, function and technique from the masters, then you begin improvising to develop your own style. Adam dramatizes this exact thing in his Bowie set ‘“ starting out very “tribute” on “Life on Mars,” moving to a hybrid sound on Fame and taking it 21st Century in “Let’s Dance.”

And Adam doesn’t need to “bring back” a 30-year-old genre. It has never left. Ever notice how many rock radio stations are strictly “classic rock”?

After reading ‘would have shivered the timbers of old Robert Plant himself.’  I’m still not sure if that was a compliment or not.

I think it’s definitely a compliment …

It {shiver my/me timbers} is employed as a literary device by authors to express shock, surprise or annoyance.

(Wikipedia)

Shock to RP that Adam has the vocal chops to take on this iconic song? or Surprise to RP that Adam is so amazingly awesome? but I hope it’s not Annoyance to RP that Adam is, in some opinions, better than RP?!
(… I would think RP would add Grateful as so many young fans are learning all about him/Led Zep because of their interest in Adam.)

If you google ‘Robert Plant Adam Lambert’, reviews of Adam’s WLL from the season come up and the vast majority are very complimentary to Adam. Many of them refer to what RP “would have” thought/said if he’d been in the audience. As far as I know, it’s all speculation unless RP has commented on Adam – has he??? I can’t find any quote but maybe someone has?? Please post!!

In the Wikipedia article on RP, there is a quote from Jimmy Page which in essence says that when he first heard RP sing, he thought there must be some reason (like maybe he was difficult to work with or something – of course as he got to know him he knew that wasn’t the case) because how could this guy with this incredible voice still be undiscovered?? Was it week 1 when Paula asked Adam how it was possible that he hadn’t already been discovered?? Too cool!!

And isn’t it great to know that “old Robert Plant” is still grooving with a 2009 Grammy Album of the Year along with Alison Kraus?! And Adam is grooving this summer with his own “Allison”!

(Aren’t lazy Sunday mornings perfect for some Adam musing? Only downside was I wrote this once and accidently deleted it – and now the thread has doubled itself! More to read …)
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I adore Adam, but I have pretty low expectations tbh. IMO he has all the tools necessary to become a star, but the music industry is tough. I just hope that I like his album, that I get to hear some of his songs on that radio, that he gets to tour, and that he sells enough records to make a second album. Anything else that happens would be gravy to me.

THIS.

Another point – Do you really think Adam himself truly wants the kind of fame being “iconic” would bring? Who would truly WANT to lose all normal life like Elvis, MJ, Madonna, etc? Adam has said that his dream was to be able to sing and make music in order to make enough money to live on and help out his family. I suspect artists don’t really make a choice to be “iconic” but I don’t really wish that on Adam. I hope he is succesful enough to be able to control his own career and do the music and whatever else he wants to do. That is all…

I honestly think that Allison has a legit shot at selling more than both Adam and Kris…

>With the Adam hype machine, the soundtrack and the Mad World TV show thing, if he puts >out a hit debut song he has the potential to go platinum or close too it by the end of the >Christmas season.

Platinum in a little over a month is still a little high given how bad things are right now. Heck, even Daughtry and Kelly with the full Idol promotional machine behind them barely made gold in that time frame. I know it’s a different time period, but he is brand new and the Idol hype machine and the glowing reviews aren’t bringing in huge, huge numbers for the product he already has out there.

Life is good. Love the discussion.

Re: Posh. I’m a little stumped why anyone would be surprised that she came off as cold and “wooden”. Isn’t that her carefully-cultivated public persona? Seems like it would be pretty hard to change a ten-year perception and be a warm and fuzzy Idol judge. Why did TPTB even try? Is it the 19 connection?
I’m willing to give her a chance, but it just seems comical that they are surprised at her reception.

I hope Adam doesn’t go for 70′s rock cause nothing beats the orginals who are still around.(Bowie and Led Zep-Robert Plante)

This is one of the reasons I’m not really enthralled with Adam because the songs he does belongs to these greats. Adam just seems like a copycat to me in comparison.

I can however see Adam doing very well in something along the Lady GaGa lines.

Since they’re doing covers, of course everything is going to sound copycat. Adam and RedOne have stated they’re giving a nod the songs of the 70′s and 80′s but are adding some synth and dance beats, giving it an updated sound. But that’s only on a track or two. RedOne is not producing the whole CD.

Adam has specifically said they already have 1 ballad, 2 anthems (sing along style) and 2 electro/dance songs. Who knows what else they’ll add. This CD is not a CD that will have a single sound so I don’t understand the arguing over which he should do as he’ll be doing a little of everything. And really, this is what will make most of his fans happy. Many of us loved hearing him sing all those different styles on AI. While some fans might want to hear rock from him in the vein of WLL, others would prefer the rock type sound of Starlight, and others would prefer a sound that will probably not make the cut this time around (simple, acoustic songs). Adam did a huge variety of music on Idol. Since then he has told us that out of his tour set Starlight and the Bowie medley most approximate the sound on the new CD
(which pleases me greatly as those are my favorites). But that doesn’t mean they are the sound, just that it’s the closest to the tracks they’ve already cut.

As to how big Adam will/won’t be, it’s anybody’s guess. Personally, I think it more likely that his desire to continually experiment with his voice will earn him a strong consistent fan base with the occasional break out single (the dance ones being huge hits in Ibiza). Of course, this is all pure speculation as the future will have to write itself.

I don’t have expectations for Adams album. but I already decided I’m going to buy it.

canuck’ ¦Adam is singing some songs that he thinks will please his fans. He has never said that he was a rocker nor his cd would be rock music. Again, until these people release their cds, who knows what they will be. Who knew that Chris Daughtry and David Cook were going to release pop/rock when they came across as rock on the show and on their American Idol tours.

I agree that he never said that but when you perform the Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, U2, Led Zep and Stepenwolf (along with rock arrangements of several other tunes), you give the image of a rocker (that’s what he wanted to do as he said on the LA times), and from what he said in his inumerous interviews post-show I would guess that his sound will come way more pop-dance than people who followed him through the show (but not afterwards through the internet) will expect.
I think he will do great whatever he comes with in the first weeks because he has at least the same fanbase of the Davids and maybee even Clay (people who are going to buy several cds just to prove he is the “true” winner) along with great media coverage, that’s why the expectations are high as they should be.

Daughtry cd was exactly what you could expect from what he had shown on idol, commercial rock, it was a foregone conclusion just after his two first songs on idol (particularly after Hemorrhage). He didn’t have to change because he loves and does music that people listen to and buy, it’s not surprising that he has no problem with 19.

I don’t have expectations for Adams album. but I already decided I’m going to buy it.

ME too. I don’t wanna have too high expectations, but I of course hope and pray that he will sell LOTS of records. No matter if I like it or not I will buy it cause I love Adam.

I was reading reviews of mad world ( video) on iTunes. There are 7 pages and I read 3 . On those 3 pages every rating was 5 stars. It’s unrelated and old news but it puta smile on my face.

And Adam doesn’t need to ‘bring back’  a 30-year-old genre. It has never left. Ever notice how many rock radio stations are strictly ‘classic rock’ ?

And frankly, if he were to “bring back” a 30-year old genre (more like “sample” or take inspiration from than reproduce), I would prefer to hear more about another one he occasionally mentions when he talks about his album, which is ol’ school 70′s style FUNK! That’s my favorite genre of all time, and is the ultimate party/dance music. He’s just funky enough to carry it off, too, even if he is a pasty red-haired white boy (underneath).

I thought he did really well with “Play that Funky Music” on the show, but that’s pretty much a watered down song from the funk era, and not the funkiest of the true FUNK.

Platinum in a little over a month is still a little high given how bad things are right now. Heck, even Daughtry and Kelly with the full Idol promotional machine behind them barely made gold in that time frame. I know it’s a different time period, but he is brand new and the Idol hype machine and the glowing reviews aren’t bringing in huge, huge numbers for the product he already has out there.

Put it this way… by the end of the Christmas season last year, Cookie was over 800,000 and Archie went gold. Cookie did it with a single that got a mixed reception from Idol fans, and Archie did it even even though his song had peaked. That’s why I think someone with all the hype and rabid fanbase of Adam could pull off some serious sales IF he has a hit record out, PLUS a TV show theme and a song on a movie soundtrack that become popular. But only if it all comes together that way. Other than that, I expect something between Archie and Cook for both of them.

If either release material that gets a big shrug from fans, then they might get close to Archie but not past him.

Alison I think that was from eonline. It was posted a few days ago.

Has this been posted?

With a title like ‘Kris Allen On Paula Abdul, Danny Gokey And Sex Toys: The Outtakes!’  I would have been crazy not to remember it. It’s outtakes from the Jim Cantiello interview.

Also, was this posted?

Adam Lambert & Allison Iraheta Answer Fans’ Questions

I’m pretty sure MJ had the main Kris/Cantiello interview as a separate blog post, and the outtake links were posted by people inside it. I don’t know if she also added the outtakes to the front page and I’m too lazy to look.

I think the Adam/Allison has also been seen before I know I’ve seen it multiple times somewhere. Hopefully you’ll have lots more Anoop news when the tour is over and they’re allowed out from under the 19 umbrella.

luvadamlambert Aug 16th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

I don’t have expectations for Adams album. but I already decided I’m going to buy it.

out of the mouths of babes (I use this phase as I know you are young)…..This is really what it is all about. If you have a favorite then this is the best thing you can do to support him/her. All the debating and fan waring does nothing to actually help your Idol. Why does it take the wisdom of a young teen to come up with the best argument for their favorite……makes you go hmmmmm!!!

I’m pretty sure MJ had the main Kris/Cantiello interview as a separate blog post, and the outtake links were posted by people inside it. I don’t know if she also added the outtakes to the front page and I’m too lazy to look.

She did!

Idol is supposed toI showcase the kind of album a performer wants to put out. I believe I have heard judges say that too. It really is to the benefit of a performer because they are carving out a market niche for themselves on the show and during the tour. This is their chance to show who they are.

I think this is one of the reasons Danny is taking longer to sign because it wasn’t clear where he fits. Adam I think did come across more as wanting to go in the rock direction but I don’t see him there. However, Kris and Allison do seem to have that identity figured out.

Maybe they will sell more than Adam. Or at least, have a more dedicated following after the first album. Just speculating here…

Anyway, just saw your dis on Wiki, Q3 … I agree that there are errors there … it’s a real problem when kids think all they have to do to write a school paper is quote Wiki. But the def. of “shiver me timbers” is good (kinda insignificant, I know!) and I think the quote on there from Jimmy Page is also correct. (I know you were referring to other stuff above, it’s just that I put Wiki in my comment and then started reading from where I left off.)

I really appreciate the fact that MJ is diligent about modding – so Eileen and everybody else who’s lurking in fear, START POSTING!! I just do it now and then, and usually at the ends of threads that are quickly archived – lol – but sometimes you just have to get your two cents worth in!

edit: yep. keep your remarks focused on the subject

Tweet from Matt:

MGiraudOfficialWhere should I go for vacay after tour? I will need a little time off One side says party it up in Miami, maybe the mountains??an Island?

Take a little time to get away and just chill, Matt ‘“ then come back and party it up in Miami, if you want.

Put it this way’ ¦ by the end of the Christmas season last year, Cookie was over 800,000 and Archie went gold. Cookie did it with a single that got a mixed reception from Idol fans, and Archie did it even even though his song had peaked. That’s why I think someone with all the hype and rabid fanbase of Adam could pull off some serious sales IF he has a hit record out, PLUS a TV show theme and a song on a movie soundtrack that become popular. But only if it all comes together that way. Other than that, I expect something between Archie and Cook for both of them.

I have high hopes for Adam, but the economy really stinks now, and that could make a difference from last year’s sales. But on the other hand, considering the economy is so bad, the tour, so far, is doing just as well as last year’s. I’m not saying Adam is the reason, but he is attracting many, many fans.

I agree that he never said that but when you perform the Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, U2, Led Zep and Stepenwolf (along with rock arrangements of several other tunes), you give the image of a rocker

I agree. Most people don’t read the post show interviews. Most people go by the show. On the show, Adam was a 70s/80s style rocker, or so we were told over and over again by the judges. Rock God! LOL. And the singer of theatrical ballads. So I think a lot of people will be expecting something rock. So while he has the potential to knock something out of the park, he also has the potential to disappoint a lot of people.

I have high hopes for Adam, but the economy really stinks now, and that could make a difference from last year’s sales. But on the other hand, considering the economy is so bad, the tour, so far, is doing just as well as last year’s. I’m not saying Adam is the reason, but he is attracting many, many fans.

Yeah, sales could end up lower this season due to the economy, but I don’t know if it will be that big of a factor if the fans are excited enough. Plus, CDS are great cheap gifts. Keep in mind I’m not saying this is guaranteed to happen. Far from it, due to my noted skeptism in the Idol debut album process. But I do think things are teed up for him in a way that the potential for a big Christmas season is there. With the right song to launch, he could do very very well IMO.

This got me too, ‘Allen was great. But he lacked that freakish edge that Lambert attaches to everything he does. Which is why, when the two Idols get their albums released this fall, it’ll be Lambert we remember, not Allen.’ 

These reviews seem to have been the rule rather than the exception throughout the tour, and they probably are influenced by not only the reviewer’s opinions of the comparative performances, but the crowd response. And Adam, by all accounts, is the one packing his loud fans into these arenas.

Which brings me to this point– for all intents and purposes, Adam is the American Idol even though he came in second place. There doesn’t seem to have a situation like this in any year before.

In S2, most people seemed to be generally aware that Clay got screwed on the vote counting. And last year, between the Davids, they appeared to be equally backed on tour and in performance reviews. Archie’s created higher decibel volumes in short bursts like tween and teen girls are prone to produce and Cook drew the more sustained rock-concert type cheering.

But, this year Adam’s support seems to dwarve that of all the finalists. Yet, he didn’t lose due to voting hijinx. He was legitimately, if reports are to be believed, crushed in the balloting.

So, the only thing to conclude is that Kris won on the strength of votes of a majority who weren’t in interested in following him (whatever their reasons)after the Idol season ended in May. Unless, of course, we are to believe that Kris has droves of fans who won’t deign to go to an Idol show but are just itching to buy his album….
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As for expected opening sales, there is one factor that I believe may help Adam and Kris combined to exceed the what the Davids together did their first week. And that factor is the rise and prevalence of Twitter. I haven’t yet seen any stats yet that indicate that Twitter is helping to boost music sales across the board, but it seems like a good way to combat the “out of sight/ out of mind problem” when it comes to music consumers who don’t have time to keep up with all the new music that is out there, including that of their favorite artists….

Idol is supposed toI showcase the kind of album a performer wants to put out. I believe I have heard judges say that too.

Then why do they have such diverse genres? They want to see their range and how they maintain their identity through this range. When Adam flipped the Grand Ole Opry on its side, Simon was stunned ‘“ and not at all happy. When you’re moving from country to disco, Motown to Year of Birth, Rat Pack to rock, you’re going to have at least half of those NOT be representative of what you’ll ultimately put out.

Kris did MJ twice and Motown once (not to mention Kanye), but is anyone expecting him to go in a Motown/hip hop-inspired pop direction? I don’t think so.

So while he has the potential to knock something out of the park, he also has the potential to disappoint a lot of people.

Isn’t that true of all of them, though?? I don’t think anyone expects them to be exactly like they were on the show. Out of all the contestants, I always felt that Adam was the most diverse. Of his performances, Ring of Fire vs Mad World vs WLL vs Play that Funky Music vs If I Can’t Have You…they are not similar at all. The only thing they have in common is the commanding vocals. Reading reviews during the season as well as blog comments, Adam was touted as being the person who changed it up the most. It was so common to see reviewers and commenters talk about his diversity and eagerly waiting to see what he would do next and still be surprised when it happened. Even Slezak, Allison-stan that he is, talked about the diversity in Adam’s performances. I’ll say it again, the two most distinctive voices for me this season were Allison and Adam. I hear those two (heard their version of slow-ride in Macy’s yesterday, freaked me out a bit) and I instantly know who’s singing. That’s what makes both of them intriguing to me and ready to hear what they have to offer.

anemicandholding
Aug 16th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
>With the Adam hype machine, the soundtrack and the Mad World TV show thing, if he puts >out a hit debut song he has the potential to go platinum or close too it by the end of the >Christmas season.

Platinum in a little over a month is still a little high given how bad things are right now. Heck, even Daughtry and Kelly with the full Idol promotional machine behind them barely made gold in that time frame. I know it’s a different time period, but he is brand new and the Idol hype machine and the glowing reviews aren’t bringing in huge, huge numbers for the product he already has out there.

Daughtry’s CD dropped in the slowest sales season. Adam’s is coming out in time for the Christmas buying season. With the Rollingstone cover, the 20/20 feature, and great press during the Idol tour, he should sell a lot of albums. He also has 19′s PR chief handling his pr.

Kris has been beaten up so much in the press, I am not expecting big sales for him. Especially since the same people who have knocked him all summer, are the ones who will be reviewing his album. I hope the fans rally and support him better than they have since the TV show ended.

Kris did MJ twice and Motown once (not to mention Kanye), but is anyone expecting him to go in a Motown/hip hop-inspired pop direction? I don’t think so.

Kris turned almost every song he sang into something from the acoustic-y pop/rock singer/songwriter side of music. Especially the Kanye song. I think Kris was exceptionally well branded, and I think his fans are expecting him to release something precisely in that wheelhouse. He is as well defined as Daughtry, Carrie and Pickler were their season, IMO. I would be shocked if Kris releases anything other than acoustic soft rock with a soul edge.

Vada I mostly agree with you but I am more optimistic for kris

I think the show has them try different genres to make it a more even playing field for the Idols, to showcase musical range and versatility.

I’ve always wondered about the diverse genres and if that was a way to make sure too that a contestant isn’t too rehearsed when they go on Idol. Kind of like the Tatianna Del Toro thing when she kept doing the same song but really well.

Seems to me that Adam liked rock or at least that’s what stuck in my head. He did however get partnered with Queen for the finale and I thought he was really excited about this.

Seems to me that Adam liked rock or at least that’s what stuck in my head. He did however get partnered with Queen for the finale and I thought he was really excited about this.

Yes, he loved and was quite apparently influenced by the rock classics but, even so, people were totally confused by him. And going into the finals, it was speculated that people not being to pin down what kind of artist he would be after Idol concluded could hurt him in the final voting. Because while Adam had branded himself very well, he had not branded his musical style. If you look back at the interviews right after idol ended (and even today), they all start out with, “you did such a variety” and end with “what can we expect” because he left everyone confused as to what type of music he would produce.

Kris has been beaten up so much in the press, I am not expecting big sales for him. Especially since the same people who have knocked him all summer, are the ones who will be reviewing his album. I hope the fans rally and support him better than they have since the TV show ended.

Vada, I really think that Kris will do well. He won American Idol, he has lots of fans. I went to the concert not really a fan, I thought he was pleasant. Loved his personality much more than the music he performed on AI. Seeing him in concert, I gained a new respect for his voice and while I think his on-stage persona needs a little work, I think by watching the youtubes his confidence and stage presence is growing by leaps and bounds. His interviews have just cemented my positive thoughts on Kris as a person, he’s just cool and adorable. I bought a few of his i-tunes performances this season, Falling Slowly, Ain’t No Sunshine and To Make You Feel My Love were awesome studio recordings. I also plan to take a listen to his cd when it comes out and will buy it if it has some of those same elements.

Isn’t that true of all of them, though??

Sure. I just think that Adam has the potential to be a bigger disappointment than others because the expectations and the passion level is so high. On the other hand, his potential for immediate success is higher for those same reasons. Its going to be hard to pull off delivering something that follows through on all the hype generated by his out-of-the-box, sexy, electric persona but if by some miracle he does it, there are big rewards waiting for him IMO.

“I adore Adam, but I have pretty low expectations tbh. IMO he has all the tools necessary to become a star, but the music industry is tough. I just hope that I like his album, that I get to hear some of his songs on the radio, that he gets to tour, and that he sells enough records to make a second album. Anything else that happens would be gravy to me.”

I totally agree. IMO, with Adam’s voice, charisma, stage presence, and looks, he could go far. But…it’s a very difficult field to get started in, let alone have any longevity, so it will be fantastic if he can last long enough to really establish his style, (which I don’t expect the first CD to do, since it’s being put together so quickly), and have a decent career. Anything could happen, but it’s not realistic to expect huge things yet. I do hope for them, though — but that’s different than expecting them.

I watched the TV promo that includes Mad World, and have to admit that even on this hot summer day, it gave me chills. When Adam gets it all right, the results are amazing.

I plan on buying his CD, but don’t know what to expect of it. But, that’s our Adam — keeping us guessing. LOL.

I’m on the fence about buying Kris’s and Alison’s CDs, but would love to see them do well, also, so may add those to the Christmas list.

I hope for great things for them all — and in this economy, great things means making a decent living, if nothing else.

Since it’s a slow news day, I thought I’d post this for whatever it’s worth, which appears to be very little, so take this headline with a huge grain of salt:

Posh lands a fat £3m pay deal for American Idol, but her chances of success look slim

If you look back at the interviews right after idol ended (and even today), they all start out with, ‘you did such a variety’  and end with ‘what can we expect’  because he left everyone confused as to what type of music he would produce.

And of course, some fans would be disapointed if he DOES pick just one style! I love the variety!!! I grew up on the 70/80′s rock and mostly listen to that stuff on the radio (satelite). I also love classical, folk, a lot of pop, and so on. I don’t really think there will be a single style – Adam has said at least once that he doesn’t want to be put into a box in terms of style – hopefully, RCA can deal with that concept …

Just a note on the diversity I love – I just finished watching some concert vids and then listened to the new “The Prayer” that just surfaced (no video) at the Temple for the Arts site. It totally blows my mind that the same voice that sings WLL so well can also totally blow away this gorgeous song.

“Posh lands a fat £3m pay deal for American Idol, but her chances of success look slim”

whimper. please no. just no. And OMG I took a look at this article and us thinking she looks “too slim” is an understatement — she looks like the walking dead, perfect for a staring roll in the next zombie movie.

will Aug 16th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

Since it’s a slow news day, I thought I’d post this for whatever it’s worth, which appears to be very little, so take this headline with a huge grain of salt:

Posh lands a fat £3m pay deal for American Idol, but her chances of success look slim

Say it isn’t so…. :wallbash_tb:

From the Boston Herald article, Danny says:
“I didn’t know many songs going into the competition. I wish I had more familiarity with what I could have done. I pulled my hair out every week trying to pick a song. There were a few weeks where I knew the song I was going to pick, but most of the time I was stressing out. I still haven’t really enhanced my library.”

I think that he needs to sit down with a PR person, and learn to do better at interviews. If I was thinking about signing him, I’d worry about someone who doesn’t seem passionate enough about music to spend time listening to the music that is out there. Yes, he’s very busy right now, but he’s on the bus with people who could be exposing him to more music, and could be showing more curiosity and excitement about music.

I don’t know how any of their careers will turn out, but I think that Danny is the one most likely to shoot himself in the foot, (if his foot isn’t already lodged in his mouth.)

Interesting that Anoop plans to move to LA to pursue his music career.

It will be fun to see how things work out for them all.

Then why do they have such diverse genres? They want to see their range and how they maintain their identity through this range. When Adam flipped the Grand Ole Opry on its side, Simon was stunned ‘“ and not at all happy. When you’re moving from country to disco, Motown to Year of Birth, Rat Pack to rock, you’re going to have at least half of those NOT be representative of what you’ll ultimately put out.

Well that’s the big challenge of the show, how to establish a clear musical identity while doing different type of songs. Daughtry did it, Cook did it too.
ROF was criticized by Simon because it was so incredibly out of Idol standards not because it did not sound country, it was his most love it or hate it performance on idol.
Adam could have done dozens of different covers of RoF including more traditional rock versions (Social Distortion) and I am sure he would have gotten praised for it (see Daughtry I Walk the Line).

Kris did MJ twice and Motown once (not to mention Kanye), but is anyone expecting him to go in a Motown/hip hop-inspired pop direction? I don’t think so.

He did Motown but he was compared to James Taylor, he did MJ and Randy called it very Jason Mrazzy, he did Disco and it was also along the same lines. I personally don’t like what he does very much but Kris has a clear musical identity after singing all these type of songs.

Posh lands a fat £3m pay deal for American Idol, but her chances of success look slim

I guess Season 8 will be my last season to watch. That woman is scary.

Yinyang- I love Danny and it’s no secret that he doesn’t have a huge knowledge of current music.

You’re right – he needs a PR person. Get that boy signed so someone else can do the talkin for him!

jms:
“Adam has specifically said they already have 1 ballad, 2 anthems (sing along style) and 2 electro/dance songs. Who knows what else they’ll add. This CD is not a CD that will have a single sound so I don’t understand the arguing over which he should do as he’ll be doing a little of everything. And really, this is what will make most of his fans happy.”

I have the same opinion as you.
Knowing how Mad World has been successful Adam won’t give up on such types of songs and go completely WLL. His diversity is due to an incredible vocal range (who from Idol family can hit falsetto notes?) which he know how to use it (many praise him for exceptional technical skills). Do you know any song that he is not able to perform? That’s why he has predispositions towards different kinds of music.

‘Posh lands a fat £3m pay deal for American Idol, but her chances of success look slim’ 

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

I hope that there aren’t any good singers/performers as contestants this coming season, because I just might not be able to watch….

Do you know any song that he is not able to perform? That’s why he has predispositions towards different kinds of music.

I don’t think he can do hip hop. Thank god.

I will definitely be buying Adam’s CD because I have loved almost everything he has done so far (except BTBW studio). I will listen to Allison’s CD to see what I think. As much as I really like her voice, I’m not sure if I will like her new stuff. Probably not any of the others, tho. But I’m sure the fans of all the idols will be buying their favorites more than once (even if only to prove their idol should have won). I will probably buy an extra Adam cd or two for gifts as well.

Of all the idols, I think Danny is the absolute worse at being interviewed. Remember his little tangent about the girl when he was being interviewed by movieline?

“DG: Make a move, right? I’m pretty cautious when it comes to relationships.
ML: Would this be a relationship?
DG: Ahhhh ‘” even those. None of that. I don’t want to be disrespectful. Not that I’d disrespect them. But a one-night stand ‘ ¦ I don’t know, I feel would be like I’d be disrespecting them.”

Like, seriously, gokey. I know they’re all unpolished and stuff, but Gokey takes it to a whole new level.

I don’t think he can do hip hop. Thank god.

Definitely Thank God! Since I don’t think they actually SING hip-hop, I’m not sure that counts….

ROF was criticized by Simon because it was so incredibly out of Idol standards not because it did not sound country, it was his most love it or hate it performance on idol.
Adam could have done dozens of different covers of RoF including more traditional rock versions (Social Distortion) and I am sure he would have gotten praised for it (see Daughtry I Walk the Line).

Yes, but he chose not to do rock. Instead he used an Indian inspired version and showed off an absolutely freaking amazing knowledge and ability for a western trained singer to have of classical Indian singing style which went completely unnoticed by the judges as musically they really don’t have a great depth of knowledge. Yet another point added on the variety side that is making it possible for him to put a variety of genres on his CD.

I don’t think he can do hip hop. Thank god.

Or rap…Yikes! I’m with you on this!

Actually there is a video for “The Prayer”…… Just google – adam lambert the prayer.
Lovin’ the hair :^)

Like, seriously, gokey. I know they’re all unpolished and stuff, but Gokey takes it to a whole new level.

Sigh. So true. He no longer has to put his foot in his mouth as I don’t believe it ever comes out. Seriously, at this point I’ll be amazed if someone actually signs him because he’d be such a huge PR challenge. Add to that that every time he talks about Idol and music he talks first about how happy he is to have a platform to promote his charity — not a platform to promote his singing. There’s nothing wrong with the charity coming first in his heart. But as someone looking to sign an artist, I’d want someone who’s first passion is music.

So far, Gokey is his own worst enemy. He now says he may get a country deal, but he won’t have a twang. Cut it with the twang crap. Country is not about your accent. I buy many country tunes. Does Keith Urban have a twang? Country is just sing it with your heart or with humour and just be yourself. Well that might explain why Danny shouldn’t do country.

Actually there is a video for ‘The Prayer’ ’ ¦’ ¦ Just google – adam lambert the prayer.
Lovin’ the hair :^)

Nope – this is a new one with a different woman singing the duet with him. I like the other one also, but just listed to this one and was just totally impressed (again) with his amazing vocal technique.

Actually there is a video for ‘The Prayer’ ’ ¦’ ¦ Just google – adam lambert the prayer.
Lovin’ the hair :^)

The one spoken of earlier is a new version that linked on AO. It is sung at his temple with the cantor. It is much more beautiful than the utube version.

This is a different version of The Prayer, with a different woman singing with Adam.

“Do you know any song that he is not able to perform?”

Based on the bubbletweet: beat boxing.

think that he needs to sit down with a PR person, and learn to do better at interviews. If I was thinking about signing him, I’d worry about someone who doesn’t seem passionate enough about music to spend time listening to the music that is out there. Yes, he’s very busy right now, but he’s on the bus with people who could be exposing him to more music, and could be showing more curiosity and excitement about music.

I don’t know how any of their careers will turn out, but I think that Danny is the one most likely to shoot himself in the foot, (if his foot isn’t already lodged in his mouth.)

While I agree that Danny does tend to put his foot in his mouth quite often, I do think he is passionate about music. He is passionate about certain types of music, and don’t think that it’s necessarily what was on the list to be picked from to sing on Idol.

I think Danny listens to alot of contemporary Christian music, latin music, and I think some r&b, too, since he’s a fan of Brian McKnight (his wife would jokingly refer to him as Brian McWhite..lol).

As far as saying he hasn’t really enhanced his library, perhaps he is talking in terms of relativity….meaning he has a long way to go. I know two of the times he came out to sign at the three concerts that I went to, he came out with ear buds in and so I assume he was listening to music….no idea what type, of course. Perhaps he was listening to the specific type of music that he thinks the labels interested in him are wanting him to sing. If this is the case, it would probably be a good thing to do, but would also mean that overall he hadn’t really expanded his library too much in the grand scheme of things.

Also, as far as signing him, it seems to me that those looking at signing him are wanting him to do a kind of Christian inspirational country crossover type music. If they’ve heard and watched him perform the type music that they are looking for him to sing, and they are impressed enough with what they see in him as a singer and performer, then they will sign him. If not, he won’t get signed. I, personally, think he will.

Sigh. So true. He no longer has to put his foot in his mouth as I don’t believe it ever comes out. Seriously, at this point I’ll be amazed if someone actually signs him because he’d be such a huge PR challenge. Add to that that every time he talks about Idol and music he talks first about how happy he is to have a platform to promote his charity ‘” not a platform to promote his singing. There’s nothing wrong with the charity coming first in his heart. But as someone looking to sign an artist, I’d want someone who’s first passion is music.

Yeah, I can’t imagine trying to listen to Gokey trying to pitch himself to a rec exec. The way he rambles.. about nothing..

That’s one thing Anoop has going for him. Sometimes he is a bit unPC, but overall, he’s very aware of his talents, his musical influences, and what type of artist he wants to be. He’s very particular- Gokey is all over the place. Soul infusion with heart and soul and some latin in there and the heart of country without the twang and maybe something with rock who knows.

adore Adam, but I have pretty low expectations tbh. IMO he has all the tools necessary to become a star, but the music industry is tough. I just hope that I like his album, that I get to hear some of his songs on the radio, that he gets to tour, and that he sells enough records to make a second album. Anything else that happens would be gravy to me.

Exactly. And add in the built-in low expectations I have of any of the first AI albums. Yeah, I’m not expecting a lot from his first record either in terms of quality or sales. I honestly just hope he does moderately well.

As for the sound and disappointing the rockers? on the show, yes he likes rock he is going to want to do some stuff and vocals in it. But he also from the show, he liked mixing stuff up and adding genres to stuff, like his take on country music (granted using an existing template, but still, he did it and made it better, imho) or making a disco song a torch song, or wanting to add some funk and electronic to some songs like BtBW and PTFM respectively. So I don’t think his record will be too much of a shock to his fans. But it will still probably be mostly dreck because 19 is involved and it’s what they do. And I still don’t have a lot of sale expectations, because of that and a crappy economy.

So far, Gokey is his own worst enemy. He now says he may get a country deal, but he won’t have a twang. Cut it with the twang crap. Country is not about your accent. I buy many country tunes. Does Keith Urban have a twang? Country is just sing it with your heart or with humour and just be yourself. Well that might explain why Danny shouldn’t do country.

Yeah, he says he likes the “message” and heart behind country.. okay. then do country. It’s not all about honky-tonk. Also, if you do country Gokes I won’t have to heeeeear you on my stationssssss.

I would be shocked if Kris releases anything other than acoustic soft rock with a soul edge.

I suspect he is not going to be as acoustic as people might think. I got the feeling his album will be rock/pop.

Well, I hope this is isn’t way out of place – but in case anyone missed it last night, David Cook has put out a new humorous porkbeans video. It’s a send-up of interviews, as he asks a rubber chicken some of the questions he’s been asked a million times.

I just hope that I like his album, that I get to hear some of his songs on the radio, that he gets to tour, and that he sells enough records to make a second album. Anything else that happens would be gravy to me.

THIS. This so much. I just want him to be able to make a second album and establish what will hopefully be a long career. The first album doesn’t need to be a work of genius, it just needs to be enough for that.

During the show Adam was not perceived as “rock” only. He did good in some rock covers, but he also did acoustic (like tomt) and ballad (mw, fg) and his defining moments were tomt and mw neither of which is rock. Adam was better known of to like change between up beat song to slow one and being versatile. His set in the tour also showcases that. His interviews and SLBM description are along this line.

Given how loyal Arkansas is, I suspect Kris will do just fine with his opening week sales.

RE: Kris

I suspect he is not going to be as acoustic as people might think. I got the feeling his album will be rock/pop.

Yeah, he keeps saying something about a surprise, so his album may not be as cut & dry as people are expecting.

sing it with your heart and just be yourself.

Personally, I think this is EXACTLY what Danny does best. Also, from reading comments from many after hearing him live, a lot of people seem to agree. I think Danny gives a very heartfelt performance.

Thanks for the new info. I’ll have to look that one up. (after I posted that, I got to thinkin’ there must be a new one out there. (You would all know…)
Thanks again

As a Kris fan, I don’t think he has a problem at all and would like to say that we still support him like we did on the show. We are just like as laid back as he is and I think that did the magic for him on the show and have sent people beyond disbelief such that they still cannot accept the fact that he won. It happens folks and non of us know who was getting most of the votes during the show,do we? I know he’s going to suprise people and I’m happy it’s not going to be about votes this time so hopefully, no conspiracy theories. Haha.
That aside, I believe both guys are going to do very well. A nd I’ll continue to say that those screams at the concerts should be no indication that Adam is the real winner as a couple if people indicated above. It’s really funny. It’s not everyone who likes to attend concerts. Adams stronghold is performing and definately his fans will like to watch him perform.So it does not suprise me if he gets the most screams. For me, for you, I think it is lame to say because he gets the most screams on tour, he’s the real winner.

Personally, I think this is EXACTLY what Danny does best. Also, from reading comments from many after hearing him live, a lot of people seem to agree. I think Danny gives a very heartfelt performance.

My perception is totally different. I think Danny likes to hear himself. IMO his performance is not from the heart. He is just happy to hear his voice and be the center of attention. Ducking now.

sorry random nitpick:

(who from Idol family can hit falsetto notes?)

Pretty much all of the guys this season. Although I don’t think I’ve ever heard Danny do it. I happen to think Anoop sounds the nicest in that area.

Vada (@2:47)…….his current fans will back him when his album comes out! IMO – I was so impressed with his recorded voice from the show’s iTune purchases.

I feel it will happen for Kris, he has his own way of achieving his goals, they are not as deliberate or obvious as some, but they get him to the finish line nevertheless! His album, especially, will be no exception!

I can only hope that it will turn out good enough (AI peeps not messing with it too much like they’ve done with past idols) so that he can attract new fans.

If his current fans are willing to spend the big bucks to go see him live – $13 for a cd or purchases on iTune is a drop in the bucket!

I have faith we will all come through for him!

Hi jms,

Regarding Ring of Fire:
Paula noticed; one of the reasons why I respect Paula more than the others.

ROF was criticized by Simon because it was so incredibly out of Idol standards not because it did not sound country, it was his most love it or hate it performance on idol. Adam could have done dozens of different covers of RoF including more traditional rock versions (Social Distortion) and I am sure he would have gotten praised for it (see Daughtry I Walk the Line).

Nooooooooooooooooo! I love his version of ring of fire. Wouldn’t have wanted it any other way. Actually, that’s one song I wished he would have on his album, even though it’sa cover, it’s so brilliant.

Pretty much all of the guys this season. Although I don’t think I’ve ever heard Danny do it. I happen to think Anoop sounds the nicest in that area.

I agree with you there. And not just cause I’m an Anoop fan. His is very pure. Matt needs to work on his a bit.

I suspect he is not going to be as acoustic as people might think. I got the feeling his album will be rock/pop.

Okay. Take out acoustic of you want. It is still going to be soft pop/rock, not a whole lot of loud instrumentation, never busier than the Fray. I’d bet money on it. Maybe there will be something with a surprise collaborator like a guest rapper or something. LOL. But I think we all know where Kris is headed, and I think that is a good thing.

During the show Adam was not perceived as ‘rock’  only. He did good in some rock covers, but he also did acoustic (like tomt) and ballad (mw, fg) and his defining moments were tomt and mw neither of which is rock. Adam was better known of to like change between up beat song to slow one and being versatile. His set in the tour also showcases that. His interviews and SLBM description are along this line.

I disagree. I think he did melodramatic ballads one week, and something uptempo and rocky the next almost all the time. Of course there were a few forays outside the mode some weeks because this is Idol. Even Cook had Music of The Night. LOL. But really, most of the time, when he wasn’t doing a ballad, he was doing something reminiscent of 70s or 80s rock, usually with a glam flair. And I think the judges, the mentors, etc kept calling him rock. When the judges/producers picked for him, he did rock, with the notable exception of “Change is Gonna Come”. In the finale he was rock all the way. His styling is emo-meets-glam rock. I think there are a lot of casual fans who expect something along those 2 lines – ballads and rock.

YMMV of course.

sr4mjc
Aug 16th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Given how loyal Arkansas is, I suspect Kris will do just fine with his opening week sales.

Yeah, but are peeps who voted 300 times each gonna also buy 300 CDs each? I’m thinkin’ no.

Also, to make alison8701 happy, I wanted to add something about Anoop. I just learned in one of the above interviews that his major was cultural anthropology and that he was in grad school. Was he in grad school for cultural anth, too, or was that just undergrad? (That caught my eye because I, too, did grad school in cultural anth… hence, my name, apparently…).

(who from Idol family can hit falsetto notes?)

Pretty much all of the guys this season. Although I don’t think I’ve ever heard Danny do it.

Oh yes you have!

Kris has been beaten up so much in the press, I am not expecting big sales for him. Especially since the same people who have knocked him all summer, are the ones who will be reviewing his album. I hope the fans rally and support him better than they have since the TV show ended.

How has Kris been “beaten up,” in the press? Was there some initial stuff after his winning. Sure, there was also a lot of celebrating by some about it. But that’s long over now. On the tour he is getting almost all positive reviews, sure has had a few negative ones, but those are very rare and not one other person has gotten all positive reviews. Every idol has gotten their share of negative reviews. In fact I think that most reviews talk about what a pleasant surprise Kris is and how he exceeds expectations, and how good he is. So I think Kris has gotten really good press during the tour. And then there are people n the national press like Rushfield, Slezak and Cantiello who also think he’s really good. Plus he’s doing well in other interviews he has. So I don’t see where this supposed beating up of Kris resides. Certainly not in the vast majority of press that mj has on her site. Not that I can see.

The show is over, Kris isn’t being thrown under some bus, not with the press as a whole. Not anymore. Does he get as much attention as Adam? Maybe not. But he’s still getting tons of attention and the vast majority of it is positive. So my expectations for him are commiserate with this, and his being the actual winner.

Readon – Wow! Nope, I see Danny as singing from the heart. Danny def could do country and probably will too.

Now if you want me to start listing off those who I don’t see as singing from the heart… This is where I feel Adam really falls short. He’s got the technical prowess for sure but the heart?

My turn to duck….

“(who from Idol family can hit falsetto notes?)”

will: “Oh yes you have!”

Yeah, you are the winner!

BTW, from http://forums.nutsie.com/viewforum.php?f=53:

http://i27.tinypic.com/2whnpdk.jpg

This might sound a bit crazy but I would really like to hear Anoop and Matt sing a little jazz; Anoop with smooth, west coast and Matt with more traditional east coast. They very probably wouldn’t want to do it but I have a feeling that I would want to buy it.

My perception is totally different. I think Danny likes to hear himself. IMO his performance is not from the heart. He is just happy to hear his voice and be the center of attention. Ducking now.

Readon, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. However, I think most do enjoy Danny’s performances and this is obvious by his reception on tour, as well as the third place finish.

And of course he likes to hear himself…why not, he sounds good! lol.

Anyway, I don’t know why you are ducking, since pretty much everyone here hates Danny. I’m the one who needs to duck.

But that’s okay, I’m used to being a non-conformist anyway.

Also, to make alison8701 happy, I wanted to add something about Anoop. I just learned in one of the above interviews that his major was cultural anthropology and that he was in grad school. Was he in grad school for cultural anth, too, or was that just undergrad? (That caught my eye because I, too, did grad school in cultural anth’ ¦ hence, my name, apparently’ ¦).

He was in grad school for it too, I’m pretty sure.

singing from the heart’ ¦

Not even worth arguing about – definitely an “eye of the beholder” type thing (or “ear of the listener”?). We each have our own perception of this. For me, Adam is the first singer to make me cry since I was a teenager (I am currently 44) it definitely feel “from the heart” for me. On the other hand, I can’t even seem to pay attention all the way through a Danny song so obviously, I don’t feel it at all.

Now if you want me to start listing off those who I don’t see as singing from the heart’ ¦ This is where I feel Adam really falls short. He’s got the technical prowess for sure but the heart?

I don’t completely disagree. There are times when Adam may not be singing from the heart. It’s a perfomance with vocals that blow you away. But more often than not, I think it is from the heart. As he said in the Sleazak interview, it has to mean something to him.

Here’s the link for the new “The Prayer” version pjd referred to:
http://www.templeofthearts.org/ThePrayer.swf

Wow. And how. His duet partner has a beautiful accent. I like her as much as Noa. FRAK! THIS IS GORGEOUS. I’m listening as I type and it only gets better!!

He looks a tad Keanu in the shot; I think he looks like Rob Lowe in the video version.

canuck
Aug 16th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Readon – Wow! Nope, I see Danny as singing from the heart. Danny def could do country and probably will too.

Now if you want me to start listing off those who I don’t see as singing from the heart’ ¦ This is where I feel Adam really falls short. He’s got the technical prowess for sure but the heart?

Mileage is everything I think. To me Danny turns every song into a big old dollop of greasy Kraft cream cheese. And that just doesn’t translate into heart for me, just sandwich filling.

Regarding Ring of Fire:
Paula noticed; one of the reasons why I respect Paula more than the others.

Did she? I remember her praising him for being true to himself and comparing it to Led Zeppelin’s Kashmir but I don’t recall her saying anything that indicated she understood what he had done vocally.

Yes, but he chose not to do rock. Instead he used an Indian inspired version and showed off an absolutely freaking amazing knowledge and ability for a western trained singer to have of classical Indian singing style which went completely unnoticed by the judges as musically they really don’t have a great depth of knowledge. Yet another point added on the variety side that is making it possible for him to put a variety of genres on his CD.

It’s rock, it’s just not commercial rock, the arrangement was taken from DIlana who performed on Rockstar Supernova and Paula said it reminded her of Kashmir from Led Zep and Randy thougth it sounded like Jeff Buckley.
Same thing for Feeling Good, he used the version of Muse, even tough it was accomotated to fit the theme of “big band week” or whatever they called that this year.
I just wanted to add that I loved both versions.

Exactly. And add in the built-in low expectations I have of any of the first AI albums. Yeah, I’m not expecting a lot from his first record either in terms of quality or sales. I honestly just hope he does moderately well.

You’re right that expectations should be low on the quality side but sales wise, first AI albums have all done better better than sophomore efforts, except Breakaway.

Yep… Paula.
I don’t remember her exact words … but she ended by saying that she thought he must be a quick study.

When the judges/producers picked for him, he did rock, with the notable exception of ‘Change is Gonna Come’ . In the finale he was rock all the way.

He got “one” and a “change is gonna come”. Not super rock in my opinion. His rendition of Beth wasn’t really classical rock either.

It seems some thinks he didn’t define himself and some thinks he did as a rock artist. A lot of people call him a poser, not a true rock artist. What makes me have hopes for him is that is seems that he knows what he is and what he wants. He is very precise when desciribing his genre and what kind of songs he will have on the album. Right now I feel like a have a pretty good idea where he is going, much more so than for Kris and Allison. The genre pop/rock/dance with an electronic touch might seem like a nightmare but that really is the most popular music right now. If you listen to some of the bands he is covering and stuff he listens too, I don’t think he is such an enigma.

Anyway, I don’t know why you are ducking, since pretty much everyone here hates Danny. I’m the one who needs to duck.

I don’t hate Danny. My problem with Danny is not his singing. He has a nice voice. It’s just something about his persona that sets off warning bells inside me. I don’t know why.

will- LOL! Thanks for that.

alison- I’m an Anoop fan. Ever since he did the Monica song in the semi-finals. The guy has very good taste and I can easily see him doing a Ne-yo or Trey Songz type of album. Or at least I hope he goes in that direction instead of the Chris Brown/Usher one. All four may be R&B but there’s a difference IMO.

Mileage is everything I think. To me Danny turns every song into a big old dollop of greasy Kraft cream cheese. And that just doesn’t translate into heart for me, just sandwich filling.

Yeah, to me, Danny just contorts his face, and motions to and from his heart.

To be fair to my fave, Anoop sometimes doesn’t sing from his heart. They’re all guilty of that. Sometimes they don’t connect to the song, or the song just doesn’t require heart. I mean, how do you sing My Prerogative from your heart? But Always on my Mind? guh. :wub_tb:

Aww David David David, it is so fun to be your fan. Can’t wait for my first David Cook headlining concert this coming Friday. :razz_wp:

Here’s the link for the new ‘The Prayer’  version pjd referred to:
http://www.templeofthearts.org/ThePrayer.swf

Wow. And how. His duet partner has a beautiful accent. I like her as much as Noa. FRAK! THIS IS GORGEOUS. I’m listening as I type and it only gets better!!

He looks a tad Keanu in the shot; I think he looks like Rob Lowe in the video version.

This is so beautiful and inspiring. I wonder if this is from his heart.

Personally, I think this is EXACTLY what Danny does best. Also, from reading comments from many after hearing him live, a lot of people seem to agree. I think Danny gives a very heartfelt performance.

I definitely think that Danny gives heartfelt performances, I think that he really feels what he is singing. He’s been putting a lot of emotions into his performances on tour.

alison- I’m an Anoop fan. Ever since he did the Monica song in the semi-finals. The guy has very good taste and I can easily see him doing the Ne-yo, Trey Songz type of stuff. Or at least I hope he goes in that direction’ ¦instead of the Chris Brown, Usher stuff.

He wont. He specifically said he was going a Ne-Yo, Chrisette Michele lyrical route, and not an Usher/Chris Brown route. His music will be “reserved and refined.”

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Yep’ ¦ Paula.
I don’t remember her exact words ‘ ¦ but she ended by saying that she thought he must be a quick study.

Well, dang, you’re going to make me start missing Paula now. I had completely forgotten she’d said that about him being a quick study… Although, that wasn’t why he was able to do ROF that way. I remember during an interview him saying something about how he was very attracted to Indian and middle eastern styled music and vocals.

for the first time missing Paula…

pjd
Aug 16th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
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And of course, some fans would be disapointed if he DOES pick just one style! I love the variety!!!

Me, too! I am PRAYING his debut album will have variety of different genre flavors. Adam is a musical one-stop shop for me.

I will probably iTune-download a few of Kris’ songs if they sound like ATTID or BL from the tour, too. Not sure if I can take more or less the same of Fray, Jazon Miraz style on an entire CD…We will see when the albums drop.

I wonder why no one has stepped up to give Danny a bit of communication and PR training. Everybody says that he’s a nice guy but it just doesn’t come across. I mean it really doesn’t come across. So, it feels difficult to believe the kind words. I start thinking that people like Kris … are just being too kind.

To be fair to my fave, Anoop sometimes doesn’t sing from his heart. They’re all guilty of that. Sometimes they don’t connect to the song, or the song just doesn’t require heart. I mean, how do you sing My Prerogative from your heart? But Always on my Mind? guh.

My favourite Anoop performance from the show was True Colours. I really felt him in that song, and his vocals in it, I think, are beautiful. I have it downloaded on my IPod, and every time it comes around I can’t help but live the song.

KNOCK OFF the fanwarring, or I’ll put you in moderation

Did I miss something? Kris hasn’t been beaten up in the press this summer. Even most of the reviewers who have said Adam is showing he should have won, is the star of the show, blahblahblah have said they liked Kris’ set — just that it was a letdown or a little bland compared to Adam. I don’t think I’ve seen more than one or two reviews that really hated Kris. And there have been a couple of reviewers who actually thought Kris was better than Adam. So it’s not like the reviews have blasted him.

Throw in the fact that he’s getting a lot of crowd love — and I don’t see where these thoughts of doom and gloom would be coming from. Kris is working with a lot of people who have had strong commercial and artistic success in recent years and throw in the fact that he showed some promising songwriting ability of his own on BNS and has proven he can play multiple instruments and rearrange songs to suit his strengths, and I think he’ll do fine.

I’m not expecting Kris to break some sort of record for sales. But I don’t expect Adam to do that either. In fact, I’m simply hoping they can reach the David Cook/David Archuleta level for sales when their debuts drop. To me, that’s realistic — anything better would be great, but — at least until I hear what the album sounds like and what the reviews are — a little unrealistic. Especially given the economy in general and the state of the music business.

Now if you want me to start listing off those who I don’t see as singing from the heart’ ¦ This is where I feel Adam really falls short. He’s got the technical prowess for sure but the heart?

I think he sings from the heart, he’s said he wants to sing songs that have meaning for him and listening to things like MW, and IICHY. Or his B&W performance where he was clearly working some stuff out on stage…speak to that to me, YMMV. Or his ACIGC, which he has performed before and he connected to before the show, because of how he felt it related to his being gay. That I think are easy to point to as his singing from the heart. I would argue he can on non-pensive and social songs, it’s just easier to see than that his heart has sexxy thoughts in it like in RoF and WLL, which I totally think come from his heart, and perhaps other parts of his body.

But I think we could agree that “speakin from the heart,” is pretty subjective. I do think that there is a tendency by some to say technically accomplished = polished and therefore that = less “heart.” Because somehow being polished takes away one’s heart. Not saying that’s how you came to that, but I’ve seen it other places. Like that Adam was also to “experienced,” to be on the show. Okay. Mileage varies, that’s cool.

But I don’t find that because Gokey knows little about music, that he is more heartfelt because of it when he sings. Honestly it just annoys me when I read him when he says that in interviews. I can’t believe that he’s still saying this in this interview months later. How long has it been? Dude, get a clue and do some work. And yeah, I feel that Danny doesn’t present who the hell he is musically, or what type of music he would create, beyond CC and wanting to be Rascal Flatts.

I wonder if this is from his heart

God, if it’s not, he needs every acting award ever invented and a few we haven’t thought of yet.

Oh, that’s right, I forgot, acting and singing ‘“ like all art that carries any emotional impact whatsoever ‘“ must come from the heart.

I definetly think Adam sings from the heart . more than any singer I’ve ever heard. including kris. I didn’t add kris as an insult but it seems to me that if you’re playing a guitar you’ve immediately got more heart. I disagree. So yeah Adam definetly sings from the heart for me for you.

I think people know Adam is versatile and that’s part if his charm IMO. especially since in my opinion every week it alternated between uptempo and slow tempo. except with some exceptions like ptfm. Mad world made me cry. I’ve never done that for a song before maybe it was because I have dealt with depression

This…

I just hope that I like his album, that I get to hear some of his songs on the radio, that he gets to tour, and that he sells enough records to make a second album. Anything else that happens would be gravy to me.

…is the best way, I think, that you can go into the craziness that is single/album drops. It’ll make your summer and fall and winter much less stressful!

Can’t wait for my first David Cook headlining concert this coming Friday.

aga, I’m so excited for you! David Cook LIVE is a special experience… my first show was back at the Radford show in VA and I thought I was “Cookiefied” before… heh. The live show will keep you on the hook for sure. Make sure you come post how it went — I hope you have a great time!!

I don’t hate Danny. My problem with Danny is not his singing. He has a nice voice. It’s just something about his persona that sets off warning bells inside me. I don’t know why.

I don’t know why either. It seems the people who know Danny, like him. People who meet him at the barricades seem to like his personality. I “spoke” with a couple of reporters on Twitter, who interviewed all of the idols, and when I asked who was their favorite, they both mentioned Danny, saying he was so nice, and “down to earth.” I’ve read what people who knew him from his community have to say, and everything is glowing.

I just read something that Richard Rushfield said the other day about how Danny would, in his spare time on Idol, two or three times a week, go to a homeless shelter in LA and help out. Rushfield said that Danny never told anyone about it and he only found out AFTER idol before the tour started from the person who ran the shelter. He said that Danny sheepishly admitted it when he asked him about it.

I really think Danny is a decent guy, and I know it must be hard for him to figure why everyone is so negative on him.

This is just my theory, and of course, I know people will disagree. But I think that after one reads over and over and over on the Internet what a douche Danny is and that he’s creepy and that he sucks, eventually it becomes almost impossible for him to overcome that perception. Because if you watch someone, and your view is negative, everything they do comes off as yucky. And of course, if you watch someone and your view is positive, the opposite is true. In reality, Danny, as well as the other idols, all probably fall somewhere in the middle. None of them are perfect, and they probably aren’t that bad either.

readon:
THANK YOU SO MUCH. The song is absolutely breathtaking.

JimMtv

jambajimAt 6 Flags I saw a 3-year-old girl posing for a pic w/ Dorothy the Dino b4 kissing her w/o warning. She’s a @KrisAllen4Real fan in training!

jambajimDriving through Hartford on my way back to NYC. Waving to the Idols as I pass through! If only I didn’t have to work tomorrow…

My favourite Anoop performance from the show was True Colours. I really felt him in that song, and his vocals in it, I think, are beautiful. I have it downloaded on my IPod, and every time it comes around I can’t help but live the song.

Oh yeahh, true colors is absolutely beautiful. That’s my probably second favorite of his.

aek, I’ll have to admit that this is true at least for me…

But I think that after one reads over and over and over on the Internet what a douche Danny is and that he’s creepy and that he sucks, eventually it becomes almost impossible for him to overcome that perception.

I don’t dislike Danny, at all, but I liked him a lot better before all the internet stuff was all over the place. I don’t think I even *bought* what was being said, but it colored my perception anyway. My mom and sister who were never online LOVE Danny and have no idea that anyone ever thought of him in a bad way. I am still trying to get over that since I liked him before and I think he’s a decent guy, just *really* awkward socially and is trying way too hard. I think it’s important to remember sometimes that we don’t know *any* of these people (well, most of us don’t, hehe) and all we have to go by especially in the beginning is what Idol portrayed them as. And that isn’t always 100% who the person really is, you know?

This is just my theory, and of course, I know people will disagree. But I think that after one reads over and over and over on the Internet what a douche Danny is and that he’s creepy and that he sucks, eventually it becomes almost impossible for him to overcome that perception. Because if you watch someone, and your view is negative, everything they do comes off as yucky. And of course, if you watch someone and your view is positive, the opposite is true. In reality, Danny, as well as the other idols, all probably fall somewhere in the middle. None of them are perfect, and they probably aren’t that bad either.

You have a point, and it’s so true. So there’s no point in fretting over it. If you like Matt, you think he’s funny, if you don’t, he’s obnoxious. If you like Anoop, he’s reserved, if you don’t, he’s boring. That’s just how it is.

I do think Danny is really skeezy though, just for the record.

I just read something that Richard Rushfield said the other day about how Danny would, in his spare time on Idol, two or three times a week, go to a homeless shelter in LA and help out. Rushfield said that Danny never told anyone about it and he only found out AFTER idol before the tour started from the person who ran the shelter. He said that Danny sheepishly admitted it when he asked him about it.

I thought that this was very sweet of Danny (and Michael, who volunteered with him). I think that Danny is a sweet guy with a good heart.

I think Kris will do fine with record sales – so I’m not concerned at all. He was probably the most contemporary contestant on the show this year, and the viewers clearly responded to that.

A very small minority of Idol viewers attend concerts, clap, scream, bedazzle like banshees and blog their hearts out, so I don’t see how that’s a predictor of much of anything. Don’t a lot of these invested fans quickly switch allegiance to next season’s flavor of the year? JMO, but Kris’ style fits nicely into what is going on in the music scene now; I have no doubt he has an audience with enough disposable income to support his album. 19 will promote the hell out of his album and he’ll make all kinds of media appearances and do just fine.

BestAi,

We always say we are laid back like Kris because that is exactly what we are. That does not imply Adam fans are bombastic. You could also describe yourselves. I didn’t say so.

It’s rock, it’s just not commercial rock, the arrangement was taken from DIlana who performed on Rockstar Supernova and Paula said it reminded her of Kashmir from Led Zep and Randy thougth it sounded like Jeff Buckley.

Yes, but that was the arrangement, not what he did vocally. The judges (except for Paula I now realize) and audience didn’t understand what they were hearing to give it another name. Which is fine. I don’t care what people call it. And in U.S. culture that is what people will hear. But the performance was still different enough from classic rock that it didn’t allow people to get a lock on what type music he would make.

I do agree that he is heavily inspired by rock. I don’t agree that most people expect him to come out with a pure rock CD. But this is obviously going to be a YMMV discussion.

I definetly think Adam sings from the heart . more than any singer I’ve ever heard. including kris.

Ditto. I think the reason some people think he doesn’t sing from the heart is that he is so completely transparent and open that they assume it is an act. Adam is a heart on his sleeve kind of guy. He isn’t the typical American male that doesn’t do deep discussions and feelings. He is very connected to himself emotionally and therefore when he lays it all on the line in a performance, it is not an understated performance with emotion peeking through as American audiences have come to expect from male singers. Instead the emotion is all there front and center and people don’t know what to make of it and call it acting.

This is just my theory, and of course, I know people will disagree. But I think that after one reads over and over and over on the Internet what a douche Danny is and that he’s creepy and that he sucks, eventually it becomes almost impossible for him to overcome that perception. Because if you watch someone, and your view is negative, everything they do comes off as yucky. And of course, if you watch someone and your view is positive, the opposite is true. In reality, Danny, as well as the other idols, all probably fall somewhere in the middle. None of them are perfect, and they probably aren’t that bad either.

I have had this perception of Danny from Day 1. Until recently, I spent zero time on the internet. I did not even know that Idolatry existed until Adam’s bottom three thing happened. Like I said, I can’t explain it. It’s a gut feel. There a lots of people that are supposedly really nice that I get that same gut check about them. I have to go with my instincts, they have served me well.

I am still trying to get over that since I liked him before and I think he’s a decent guy, just *really* awkward socially and is trying way too hard.

^^THIS! I liked Danny initially and I enjoyed him in concert (though I must confess to laughing at some of the online portrayals ‘“ they can be pretty funny in a crude humor way).

I know it’s been said, but it bears repeating, Danny’s problem is that he’s suffering from an identity crisis. I think it is the exact same scenario as Lil. They are talented, to be sure, and likable for the most part, but it’s that intangible certainty of WHO THEY ARE AS ARTISTS (gotta give it to you here, Kara) that is undermining them.

I’m not saying there is not a market for Danny, I think there is. There is a large contingent of this country that doesn’t want to examine their music down to the minutea, as we do here. They want a good song, strong vocals and a message ‘“ Danny’s wheelhouse. Summary: Danny, go country or don’t go.

Instead the emotion is all there front and center and people don’t know what to make of it and call it acting.

I think it’s more a question of it the listener feels the connection or not. A singer can sing their heart out, but if it isn’t there for the listener… doesn’t matter. Some singers reach me, some don’t. Good thing there are lots and lots to choose from! :mrgreen_wp:

readon:
THANK YOU SO MUCH. The song is absolutely breathtaking.

I just mentioned that the link was on AO. SusanM posted the link. Thank you SusanM.

I agree with aek. I’ll be the first to admit, I was not loving Danny on the show, couldn’t really put my finger on why , just didn’t. I met him at the barricades in Greensboro, NC and my whole perception of him changed in a matter of minutes. Watching him carry on conversation with fans, interact with them and then meeting him myself… he’s just a really really nice guy. I mean SUPER nice and nothing about it feels “fake” to me. He seems genuine. I’m glad I met him at the barricades before the show because then I went into the show with positive perception of Danny & I REALLY enjoyed his set.
I’m one of the biggest Adam fans you’ll ever meet & I sincerely enjoyed Danny’s set and not until his absolute last song did I even think about Adam coming next. Now when I did finally think about it (about halfway through “my wish”, then all I could do was think about Adam being next) lol
I left Greensboro being a fan of Gokey. I admit it, I’m not ashamed.
Still a bigger fan of Adam, but I really like Danny.

I think if you are an Adam fan, as soon as his CD is released, you will go out and buy it even without knowing listening to it first. Then, if you like it, you go out and buy some more, brag about the CD to your friends and encourage them to buy and listen to it. If, however, you are dissapointed (uses Adam’s spelling), you just keep it to yourself and gives a cheeky grin to whoever criticizes the CD. IMO, this is the true measure of a fan.

‘Posh lands a fat £3m pay deal for American Idol, but her chances of success look slim’ 

LOL, talk about a headline! From what I can tell in the article there is no done deal…I just skimmed it.

Then why do they have such diverse genres? They want to see their range and how they maintain their identity through this range. When Adam flipped the Grand Ole Opry on its side, Simon was stunned ‘“ and not at all happy.

I honestly do think that the intention of the show is for them to show *themselves* through songs that originally come from different dramas. I do think that they mean for the contestants to show who they are musically. They have they wrestle with the challenge of doing different dramas because it’s a reality show and a contest and this factor is what makes it tough. I was watching part of AI Rewind the other day, and I was struck by how impressed Simon was with Nikko Smith when he took One Hand from West Side Story during “musicals” week and really cast it as a Nikko Smith contempo-pop R&B.

Honestly, I think the only problem Simon had with Ring of Fire is that Simon simply doesn’t like music that’s outside of the box in any way. I suspect he would have been perfectly happy to hear Adam electro-pop Ring of Fire or another country song, but what he didn’t like was that Adam’s rendition was too extreme for Simon’s very very conventional tastes. He especially doesn’t like to hear his pets go way out on a limb, because there are only big-dollar sales in pretty safe and middle-of-the-road music (whatever the genre). So he would have been especially anxious to steer Adam away from extremes. That’s just Simon’s “safe music” fetish, though, I think. Not any indication that he or the show actually wants people to sing *in* the genres presented rather showing their own styles and individualities through songs taken from those genres.

Through the years, one of Simon’s highest complements has been: You are one of the few people on this show who knows who you are musically.

saga Aug 16th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

I would be shocked if Kris releases anything other than acoustic soft rock with a soul edge.

I suspect he is not going to be as acoustic as people might think. I got the feeling his album will be rock/pop.

Me, too. And especially for his 2nd album. Have you noticed the boy comes alive when he is singing ATTID and Bright Lights and how he was bopping all over the stage while singing with David Cook on GMA. Also just look at him while singing We Are the Champions. This guy LOVES rock/pop. Arms flailing, head bopping, jumping up and down…in his heart he is rock/pop.

Alrighty Then …….I also need to say: “THANK YOU SusanM.

I remembered one of the times I thought paula was sooo right. Like after iichy she said something like I can feel ur pain. That is exactly what I was thinking.

I don’t think all kris fans are laid back. My friend really likes kris and she is very in your face and likes to argue etc.

I wonder why no one has stepped up to give Danny a bit of communication and PR training. Everybody says that he’s a nice guy but it just doesn’t come across. I mean it really doesn’t come across. So, it feels difficult to believe the kind words.

But see, that’s just the thing. I think it really does come accross, if you haven’t been innudated with the negative feelings. I remember talking to a lady in line in front of me going into the areana in Charlotte. She was a HUGE Adam fan. She was flipping through my tour book, since I had already purchased one in Atlanta. When she got to Danny’s picture, she immediately said “Oh, there’s SWEEEEEET, Sweet, Danny.” And yeah, she did stretch out that first Sweet…lol.

There was also another HUGE Adam fan that I met in Atlanta out at the afternoon barricades. She told me that if Adam had to lose she would rather him have lost to Danny because she thought Danny could really sing. But more to the point here is that she called Danny “really cool” and said this….”I am an Adam fan to the core….die hard….but if I had to pick personality wise, I’d go with Danny. He just seems like a really down to earth cool guy.” Btw, I am not saying I agree with this, it’s just what she said…Adam seems down to earth and cool to me, too.

And then there’s people like Tierbee’s Mom and sister (thanks for the comment Tierbee), who never were innudated with all of the negative Internet stuff regarding Danny.

I think it comes down to “your perception is your reality.” Unfortunately, for Danny, that negative impression has been so reinforced to the online AI peeps, that I don’t know if he will ever get kind words at these general AI blogs. I hope the intense dislike abates as time goes on, but I’m not going to hold my breath. I just present the other viewpoint.

noctem:

Unless, of course, we are to believe that Kris has droves of fans who won’t deign to go to an Idol show but are just itching to buy his album’ ¦.

Hmm. I wouldn’t say I’m itching and I’m a drove of, er, one, but this describes me. I’m not invested enough to attend a show, but I am very curious as to what Kris’s (and Allison’s) post-AI music will sound like. I didn’t vote for anyone on the show, but I did buy iTunes singles, and all but one of my 99 cent purchases went toward Allison and Kris. (The one exception was for Adam.)

As for expectations, I’m confused as to why anyone not immersed in Idol fandom *wouldn’t* have high expectations for Adam’s album. It’s been very interesting reading these headline threads over the last few weeks, because I’ve never read so much concentrated Idol-related media before, and review after review (with, naturally, a few exceptions) is filled with raves for Adam. Look at the reviews posted just today.

So while I think people who take the economy, the AI track record with first albums, the rushed and jammed up nature of the writing and recording process into account have, very rightly, moderate to low expectations for Adam’s album, I’m not sure those expectations are the same in the general population, where he seems to have become quite a phenomenon. I think expectations there may be be pretty high.

I like Adam a lot as a person and hope he succeeds, but I felt the same way about Cook and was sad to read so many reviews of his album where the prevailing attitude was disappointment, because the music wasn’t as creative as he’d established himself as being on the show. So the potential for dashed expectations exists.

(ETA: Of course, Cook’s sales have been *very* nice, if not overwhelmingly phenomenal, so maybe the take home lesson is that people heard enough that they liked in the music that they didn’t care what the critics had to say. So yay for that?)

I also think these concert reviews are where the perception that Kris is getting beat up by the press come from. Honestly, Idol is the most zero sum game I’ve ever observed, and that seems to affect those who review the shows, too. The comparisons are out there, and they’re rarely raves for Kris — more like, “Better than expected! How nice!” That kind of comment isn’t going to raise any expectations, IMO.

Holla, readon! Without your direction, I would have never found it. I mean I’m not Q3 after all …

Oh yeah and about the Posh article in the British pub ‘“  SAY IT AIN’T SO!! The next sound you hear will be the final nail being driven into the AI coffin.

How is it that they have this guaranteed cash cow, but they keep trying to drive the thing into meat-packing plant? It makes no freakin’ sense. The changes last year? Disastrous. Yet the talent and heart of the contestants elevated the show above the FAIL production. Now they want to take it one step further and put a vapid broomstick in as one of the judges? (She may not be that, but it’s how she comes across, IMO). Simon Fuller, you have a built-in focus group here, so FOCUS. You’re blowing it.

I will definitely be buying Adam’s CD because I have loved almost everything he has done so far (except BTBW studio).

Ironically, I kind of expect BTBW studio to be maybe the main type of song on the album!!

It’s electronic, rock-influence, cheerful and fun. That’s just exactly what he’s said recently that he mainly wants to do!

Re: Danny. Clearly, he got a lot of votes on the show, and has a lot of fans judging by the reception he’s getting on the tour.

I do hope he gets signed soon and gets some PR coaching, because he really does need it. I agree with most that he would do very well in an inspirational/CC/country vein. If the music is good, I’d definitely buy his album; to me, he has a nice, unique voice.

Re: Adam’s album. I’ve regressed to a wait & see mode. At first, I was really excited for his album (go Kradam), but as the tour wears on, I totally relate to Slezak’s Idolatry comment about not liking anything getting shoved down his throat (see OTT Adam praise). I feel like too many people are bombarding me with Adam praise, and am lately suffering my own personal mini-backlash. My opinion only, but if the hype, hoopla, and circus surrounding Adam were dialed back a notch, I’d be more inclined be more of a fan since I do appreciate his talent, just not all the other stuff that comes with it, or the press cramming him down my throat every day. *awaiting uproar*

Paula Abdul: ‘Idol’ Ain’t So Bad After All!

Our sources say Paula’s Twitter is retracted ‘” at least in her mind – if the price is right. As we first reported, the magic number is $10 million. Will Paula move from that number? The way negotiations go in Hollywood ‘ ¦ probably, but we don’t know for sure and if so how much she’s willing to give.

We’re also told Paula’s meetings with ABC didn’t really go anywhere. She doesn’t want to do ‘Dancing with the Stars’  ‘” we’re told, in no small part, because she wants to be able to jump on a plane on a moment’s notice to rejoin her fellow judges on ‘Idol.’ 

So what’s the deal? Is Paula truly out and out of Idol? Or there’s a sliver of chance?

I’ll miss her, but no doubt a few of the lined up guest judges will bring some lolz…….it’s much needed on this cheesefest

I will definitely be buying Adam’s CD because I have loved almost everything he has done so far (except BTBW studio).

Ironically, I kind of expect BTBW studio to be maybe the main type of song on the album!

Lucy, thats the one studio song I didn’t like either and I actually deleted it off of my ipod because I always skipped past it, I sure hope his album doesn’t sound like that, his voice on that particular studio song was too robotic sounding. I hope his album isn’t like that. I’ll just keep the faith that its not.

The guy was all over the stage, prancing and preening in black leather, delivering a primal rock ‘n’ roll scream to Led Zeppelin’s Whole Lotta Love that would have shivered the timbers of old Robert Plant himself. Lambert then calmed down for a moment to get all weepy for Tears For Fears’ Mad World before throwing himself into a sizzling duet with Allison Iraheta for Foghat’s Slow Ride. To top it all off, he closed with a pelvic-driven David Bowie medley.

That’s a very evocative description, I like that. And honestly, no one (well, I can’t account for everyone, so almost no one) expects Adam to come out with a CD of pure rock from the 70s and 80s–they’re all going to be a little different on their CDs from what they were on the show. Adam will have rock influences, it sounds like, but the music will be dance/rock/pop. Even Kris keeps talking about how his style will be a little different from what he did on the show, with a “surprise” or some sort of urban influence that people aren’t necessarily expecting from him, as he puts it. And I’ve never heard anyone but haters proclaim that either one should go platinum in a month. Kris is the winner, and I don’t think that people even expect that of him, much less of the runner-up, no matter the hype. Hopefully their CDs will be good and sell well and they get to make a second one. Anything else is a huge bonus.

I definetly think Adam sings from the heart . more than any singer I’ve ever heard. including kris

I would hesitate to say that Adam sings from the heart more than Kris because I think that they are both emotionally connected to their music, but I can definitely say that Adam’s emotional connection to the music is tremendously powerful for me personally in a way that I’ve rarely experienced with a singer. It just feels like the music takes over his whole body and like the music and the emotions he’s feeling and conveying are flooding out of him and filling the arena. It’s deeply thrilling when what he’s singing about his joy or lust or something positive, and it can be almost difficult to listen to when what he’s singing about is loneliness or longing or something like that. And yes, that kind of intense outpouring of emotion is something that people seem more accustomed to from female singers (Adam’s been compared to Fantasia for that–Slezak started fantasizing about an Adam/Fantasia duet, which would be hilarious, they’d both be writhing on the floor wailing by the end of it). But hey, that’s part of what makes Adam different, so I like it. And I do think that his emotional power and connection to his music is part of what makes him so amazing. And I think that Kris and Allison are very connected to their music, and that’s why those three did so well and are doing so well; Adam, Kris, and Allison don’t just sing–they interpret and really feel their songs, and it’s a very involving experience for listeners.

Can’t wait for my first David Cook headlining concert this coming Friday.

aga – I’m excited for you!! When I came in here a few weeks back squealing about my first DC concert, you were so sweet with your “awww’s” for me. Can’t wait for your recap.

I think it’s more a question of it the listener feels the connection or not. A singer can sing their heart out, but if it isn’t there for the listener’ ¦ doesn’t matter. Some singers reach me, some don’t. Good thing there are lots and lots to choose from! :mrgreen_wp:

Point. Very true….let me modify it then and say the reason I think some people don’t connect to Adam emotionally is as I described.

Honestly, I think the only problem Simon had with Ring of Fire is that Simon simply doesn’t like music that’s outside of the box in any way.[snipped stuff] He especially doesn’t like to hear his pets go way out on a limb, because there are only big-dollar sales in pretty safe and middle-of-the-road music (whatever the genre). So he would have been especially anxious to steer Adam away from extremes.

Yes, Simon is motivated by the $$$. The moment Adam did big with Mad World, you could see Simon pushing hard to get him to do more like that. Adam obviously resisted and Simon finally got his way when he picked one and “helped” Adam with the arrangement. Blue lighting and everything, Simon was trying to do a repeat of the Mad World not understanding that it was the uniqueness of each of Adam’s performances that his fans loved.

I think Simon and the others also leaned heavily on the other contestants (Anoop in particular) to sing a certain way. Poor Anoop got stuck singing ballads all the time.

ETA: So, maybe they got rid of the wrong judge. We need to kick Simon off the show.

As for expectations, I’m confused as to why anyone not immersed in Idol fandom *wouldn’t* have high expectations for Adam’s album.

Maybe because most people not immersed in Idol fandom either don’t pay attention or have not heard of him yet. They have no expectations at all positive or negative.

Hiring Victoria Beckham would be a huge mistake. I don’t think viewers in the US would take to her at all. What is the problem with sticking with Randy, Kara, and Simon. The show worked great with three judges for seven seasons. I don’t understand the necessity of retaining a fourth.

Eileen99 – I like your way of thinking way better than my own re Kris’ album!

luvadamlambert – as a Kris fan myself you almost described me to a tee! :wink_wp:

Does “Never on Sunday” apply to you tweet experts providing more of those today? Just asking……………………..

I agree with aek. I’ll be the first to admit, I was not loving Danny on the show, couldn’t really put my finger on why , just didn’t. I met him at the barricades in Greensboro, NC and my whole perception of him changed in a matter of minutes. Watching him carry on conversation with fans, interact with them and then meeting him myself’ ¦ he’s just a really really nice guy. I mean SUPER nice and nothing about it feels ‘fake’  to me. He seems genuine. I’m glad I met him at the barricades before the show because then I went into the show with positive perception of Danny & I REALLY enjoyed his set.
I’m one of the biggest Adam fans you’ll ever meet & I sincerely enjoyed Danny’s set and not until his absolute last song did I even think about Adam coming next. Now when I did finally think about it (about halfway through ‘my wish’ , then all I could do was think about Adam being next) lol
I left Greensboro being a fan of Gokey. I admit it, I’m not ashamed.
Still a bigger fan of Adam, but I really like Danny.

As a Danny fan, I appreciate you posting this, and I’m glad that you were able to enjoy his performance and his personality. I guess I was out there with you in Greensboro. Danny was really nice and personable out at the barricades. He took alot of time and went through everyone, eventhough I didn’t think he would have the time to do it before the scheduled Meet and Greet inside. You wouldn’t happen to be the Adam fan (who told me she didn’t like Danny), who asked him for the picture of his Sophia’s Heart necklace? Just wondering…

I am an Adam fan, too, and actually pulled for Adam to win. But I love both Danny and Adam’s voices.

I think it comes down to ‘your perception is your reality.’  Unfortunately, for Danny, that negative impression has been so reinforced to the online AI peeps, that I don’t know if he will ever get kind words at these general AI blogs. I hope the intense dislike abates as time goes on, but I’m not going to hold my breath. I just present the other viewpoint.

I can only speak for myself, but the internet had absolutely no affect on my perception of Danny. I think Danny has a good voice, but uses it badly. As a person he strikes me as an opportunist. The use of the death of his wife as a backstory on Idol made me cringe. His invocation of his wife’s memory every night on the show makes my skin crawl. I can’t help but perceive him negatively, not because of the internet, but because of his own actions and words.

This however, would not stop me from buying his music if I liked it. I don’t care where music comes from as long as it’s good.

If you listen to some of the bands he is covering and stuff he listens too, I don’t think he is such an enigma.

We agree on this. I think Muse and Bowie and other bands he’s mentioned are all on the fusion/experimental/dancy/theatrical/electronic side of rock, and that is what I expect from Adam. He’s doing that kind of thing with strong hooks for radio, at least trying to.

My only argument is that I don’t know if that is what he did on the show, and I think a good number of his non-internet fanbase is expecting something a little more 70s/80s rock leaning as well as theatrical ballad or two. And a lot of hitting of really high notes. LOL. I don’t think he was super defined, but the to the degree he’s branded it was definitely rock-ish, and if he come out with something more Gaga-ish I think those people will be disappointed.

“I really think Danny is a decent guy, and I know it must be hard for him to figure why everyone is so negative on him. ”

I think that Danny is probably a very decent guy, too. But, his lack of passion for music seems so out of place to me in someone who is trying to be a “rising star” in the music field. I just can’t shake wondering why he isn’t busy exposing himself to more music now, (not sure why he was so sheltered in the past, but perhaps because he was so immersed in his religion?) If he wants to be a country singer, why isn’t he diving into all the music in the field? If he wants to sing some other type of music, (he doesn’t sound that fond of the idea of going country), learn that type of music, and let us know that you love it.

IMO, since I’m not seeing passion for any other type of music, Danny should go into the Christian music scene, which is the only area where I’ve seen some passion.

I’m sure that he’s a decent guy, but if he’s going to go the distance in a very tough job field, I think he needs the passion. Adam, Kris, Allison, Matt all demonstrate their passion about the music that they’re doing, but Danny doesn’t seem to have that, especially since he can’t be bothered to listen to more music, even now, even if only to advance his career. Maybe that’s in part due to lack of musical identity, but he can’t develop that until he gets exposed to more music, IMO.

I think this is my major frustration about Danny. He’s got a good voice, and can learn to do better interviews, learn more performance skills, and so on — but I want a musician to love music and I’m not sure that he does, beyond as a hobby.

But, if he goes in the Christian music direction, maybe he could have a good career, and I think he does have passion in that direction. Not sure why he’s not wanting to go that route, though.

Yep, I seem to be passionate about passion, since I keep using the word. LOL.

Yep, I seem to be passionate about passion, since I keep using the word. LOL.

As you should IMO because art is passion given form.

Hiring Victoria Beckham would be a huge mistake. I don’t think viewers in the US would take to her at all.

That’s what they said about kara, she’s solidly on for another season. I’d rather have kept paula, but she’s off so I really dont care who comes on, the audience will still whine and butthurt regardless of who the choose, but still tune in for the next episode.

As long as Simon is still around, I’m good

Eileen99…

I feel like too many people are bombarding me with Adam praise, and am lately suffering my own personal mini-backlash.

I’m kinda having the same problem. I’m just not going to read so much about Adam for a bit, and then wait and hear what he puts out musically. I LIKE Adam, I don’t want anything coloring that.

r/e Simon’s reaction to Adam…

Honestly, I think the only problem Simon had with Ring of Fire is that Simon simply doesn’t like music that’s outside of the box in any way.[snipped stuff] He especially doesn’t like to hear his pets go way out on a limb

I think Simon was warning Adam that being that far outside the box would cost him votes and he’d end up off Idol too soon… and yeah, $$, he wanted Adam still in it. My opinion, of course. I surely don’t live in Simon’s head

As a Danny fan, I appreciate you posting this, and I’m glad that you were able to enjoy his performance and his personality. I guess I was out there with you in Greensboro. Danny was really nice and personable out at the barricades. He took alot of time and went through everyone, eventhough I didn’t think he would have the time to do it before the scheduled Meet and Greet inside. You wouldn’t happen to be the Adam fan (who told me she didn’t like Danny), who asked him for the picture of his Sophia’s Heart necklace? Just wondering’ ¦

He really did take his time with the fans and wasn’t rushing at all. He was such a sweetheart!
I’m not the Adam fan that you’re referring to. You might have seen me out there though, my Adam purse caused lots of attention, haha.

a pic of me & Danny from the barricades
http://i25.tinypic.com/orqgia.jpg

I have to go with my instincts, they have served me well.

Same here.

since the concert thread for tonight isn’t posted…

http://twitter.com/xlcenter

they have some twit pics of the idols today, and some drawings they did on the autograph table. I’ll just randomly link you to one.

http://twitpic.com/e5t3i

Awwww today is danny’s wife’s birthday. Scott’s sister is going to college. Matts wondering where to vacation. all from tweets.

it’s weird I bought the studio version of every one of Adams songs except btbw. I was absolutely LOVED his bouncing around the stage and stuff and HAD to buy the video.

I also think these concert reviews are where the perception that Kris is getting beat up by the press come from. Honestly, Idol is the most zero sum game I’ve ever observed, and that seems to affect those who review the shows, too. The comparisons are out there, and they’re rarely raves for Kris ‘” more like, ‘Better than expected! How nice!’  That kind of comment isn’t going to raise any expectations, IMO.

Concert reviews here, don’t really count to me. And Adam has also had detractors even here, or people who are fans even expressing they weren’t thrilled with it everything he does (myself included). And in the press, Kris has gotten good to great reviews for almost all of the tour thus far, saying he is up to Adam’s level, if just different, or even better than Adam, a few times. It’s only be a very few times that Kris has been slammed, or even just meh. And it’s not just saying “better than expected,” unless it’s to say it on the way to saying he’s really good. Which again, is what the vast majority of actual reviewers, not ones on this site might post, seem to say. Most reviewers pretry much say ‘America got it right, and Kris was a deserving winner.’ So yeah, I think people expect him to do pretty well. At least as well as Cook, which I don’t think is an unreasonable expectation. And hey, if Adam does as well as Archie, that is a reasonable expectation to make as well to me.

alison8701
Aug 16th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
since the concert thread for tonight isn’t posted’ ¦

http://twitter.com/xlcenter

they have some twit pics of the idols today, and some drawings they did on the autograph table. I’ll just randomly link you to one.

http://twitpic.com/e5t3i

Adam isn’t there. Has he ever missed a pre-concert M&G before? Or is he not feeling well today I wonder?

alison8701 – thanks – you are such a sweetie all the time around here! :wub_tb:

Ironically, I kind of expect BTBW studio to be maybe the main type of song on the album!!

It’s electronic, rock-influence, cheerful and fun. That’s just exactly what he’s said recently that he mainly wants to do!

I know and that makes me a little nervous. I need to listen to it again all the way thru because I think a lot of the reason I didn’t like it was that it wasn’t what I expected. I have to admit that I didn’t like ROF the first time, either. It was a shock! But I like it now, so I have to just give it a chance. But, at the very least, because he has said that he will have all kinds of music, I’m sure I’ll find plenty to like.

I think the reason some people think he doesn’t sing from the heart is that he is so completely transparent and open that they assume it is an act. Adam is a heart on his sleeve kind of guy. He isn’t the typical American male that doesn’t do deep discussions and feelings. He is very connected to himself emotionally and therefore when he lays it all on the line in a performance, it is not an understated performance with emotion peeking through as American audiences have come to expect from male singers. Instead the emotion is all there front and center and people don’t know what to make of it and call it acting.

I really like this analysis. Well done!

My only argument is that … I think a good number of his non-internet fanbase is expecting something a little more 70s/80s rock leaning as well as theatrical ballad or two.

I understand the argument, but Adam’s fans from the show have already embraced him doing a wide range of styles. Also, he did nothing like Bowie on the show and it has been really well-received in concert (by internet fanatics, reviewers and casual fans). So I think Adam’s fans may be more willing to stretch than you think.

I feel like too many people are bombarding me with Adam praise, and am lately suffering my own personal mini-backlash.

Stepping away from AI boards for awhile is a good cure. I’ve tried it. Maybe the month break between tour and Adam’s first single will allow you to find your excitement again. The suspense of it all…

I’m with Sunn on Danny…

I’d be more inclined be more of a fan since I do appreciate his talent, just not all the other stuff that comes with it, or the press cramming him down my throat every day.

You definitely have every right to as much of a fan or not-a-fan as you feel like being, but…Kris has actually gotten way more press, outside of the reviews, than Adam has. He’s been on quite a few radio shows and would have been on Conan. For Adam–there have been the normal interviews, GMA with Kris, the RS thing when his issue sold out–I’m not seeing how the press is cramming him down anyone’s throat So, if you mean the reviews–reviewers aren’t trying to cram anything, they’re just reviewing the show. Adam’s gotten a lot of great reviews, and then Kris and Allison are close behind. They’ve all gotten really good reviews, which is a very nice thing–it does’t guarantee success, but it’s a nice thing to have your talent recognized outside the idol bubble. So, I guess I don’t understand having a more negative opinion than before towards Adam because his reviews have been the best, when that’s not his fault and Kris has been getting really good reviews too.

People were talking about expectations: Adam and Kris both created high expectations for their albums because they were extremely creative on the show. A lot of idol contestants are just people with good voices, and Kris and Adam went way beyond that. So, I do think that fans are daring to hope for more from them. But it’s only haters of one or the other who think that either will go platinum in a week (or a month) or something like that. Most people just want some good songs, and while I’m not getting my hopes up, I have more faith in Kris and Adam to deliver that than I would in most people.

Also, expectations might be a problem for both of them, or they might not. Adam’s gotten a lot of hype, so people expect him to do well. On the other hand, he’s the runner-up–Kris is the winner, and people expect the winner to sell well, so if Kris doesn’t sell well and a lot better than Adam, that could be a problem for him.

But I honestly think that people inside the idol bubble have a very skewed perspective, and that in the real world, what will matter is if they both sell well, enough to tour and make a second album. The press and fans on the internet will comment on the other stuff, but it’s really ephemera. All they need to do is sell well enough to make a second album and really establish their careers, and the other stuff is just noise.

@Eileen99,

I feel like too many people are bombarding me with Adam praise, and am lately suffering my own personal mini-backlash.

I totally get what you’re saying and if my favorite were someone else, I’m sure I would feel the same way. The thing is, none of this is really Adam’s doing. He’s just trying to do the best he can, draw upon his experience and training and make a career for himself.

This kind of stuff doesn’t generally happen in a vacuum. People are blown away by him because they’re blown away by him. In my experience, it has a bit to do with the hype (in that I’m glad to know that I’m not insane that I’ve had such a OTT reaction to one performer ‘“ the likes of which I’ve never experienced in my life. And I have fangirl tendencies. I love performers and artists and get very enthusiastic about those that really touch me), but it has more to do with his stunning talent.

Hey, hype does often happen, undeservedly so. [See Beckham, Victoria] But I think this is one instance when coming from multiple sides, it is genuine.

And I’ve never heard anyone but haters proclaim that either one should go platinum in a month.

Are you talking about me? Because I didn’t say he should, I said he COULD if things come together just right. And I didn’t say a month, I said over the Christmas buying season. Someone else catagorized that as “a month”.

alison8701 – thanks – you are such a sweetie all the time around here!

Oh, thanks MrsB. I think some people would disagree with that, but hey. I appreciate it.

and I don’t know why Adam isn’t there. Maybe Kris’ twitter is an indication.

“@AnoopDoggDesai smells bad. I still live him though.”

I’m kinda having the same problem. I’m just not going to read so much about Adam for a bit, and then wait and hear what he puts out musically. I LIKE Adam, I don’t want anything coloring that.

Yeah, I stopped reading all the Adam articles and reviews by Adam fans quite a while ago. He wasn’t my favorite on the show, but I do like him, and want to keep it that way. Adampalooza makes it hard for a non-emotionally attached fan to keep liking him, which is pretty unfair to the artist but there it is.

a pic of me & Danny from the barricades
http://i25.tinypic.com/orqgia.jpg

I do remember you. You have very pretty hair! Great picture! I’m trying to figure out where you are standing, though. It looks so cleared out..not many people…and I thought the barricades were pretty packed from the fence at the bottom all the way to the top.

But yeah, it’s the same place. I remember the lei on Danny’s wrist. Saw the girl give it to him. He started to put it over his head, and she wanted him to wrap it around his wrist for some reason…lol.

I still maintain if that is the sound he is going for (thanks to quotes from his actual producer), it isn’t current, although with some dance beats no one may care. Of course, if it’s packaged in that way it is not going to be accepted as rock and many of the people that supported Adam (many of whom want him to bring back 30-year-old genres) may be disappointed.

I dont think its going to be disappointing or similar to Lady Ga Ga (everything re Adam gets like the game telephone and distorted) HE said he liked elements of LGG NOT he was making an album like hers!

The key to his future CD is that he said it would have “Power vocals”! That’s what Adam has that is sooo rare and the industry and TPTB know this and that’s why so many want to work with him!

I was trying to find again the post where someone said Adam wears his heart on his sleave and I gave up, but the comments were very insightful and I agree wholeheartedly. Adam makes me smile and he makes me cry when he sings because he literally becomes the song he is singing. This new version of the prayer is breathtaking by the way and thank you to whoever posted it.

http://www.templeofthearts.org/ThePrayer.swf

As to how Adam will fare post Idol, I am greatly encouraged by the fact that his Season 8 Album is STILL on the the iTunes Top Pop 100 at around #44 and it has never left the list. I would like to know who is still buying it but I am guessing this is a good indication of his future success.

I understand the argument, but Adam’s fans from the show have already embraced him doing a wide range of styles. Also, he did nothing like Bowie on the show and it has been really well-received in concert (by internet fanatics, reviewers and casual fans). So I think Adam’s fans may be more willing to stretch than you think.

Sorta, I think. Its not like I think he’ll lose masses of fans, just that he has fans with wildly differing expectations, more so than someone like Kris. I really don’t think that 90% of them will just go along with everything he does.

But remember, we are only really talking about his Idol fanbase anyway, so if he puts something out with mass market appeal he can make up the difference.

I understand the argument, but Adam’s fans from the show have already embraced him doing a wide range of styles.

That the thing–I’m sure a few people will be like “Where’s my album of Zeppelin covers?” but the vast majority of Adam’s fans, casual or not, on the internet or not, loved the fact that he was so versatile, just as a lot of non-fans didn’t like that. Fans liked it when he went rock, when he went ballad, when he went pop or blues or whatever, so as long as the music he does on his CD showcases his voice–and is good–the vast majority of fans will be along for the ride into the dance/rock/pop/? music. Plus, both these guys have to pick up a decent number of non-idol fans, and that kind of music is a good way to do that.

I mean, I wouldn’t expect Kris fans to jump ship just because he’s planning to be more “urban” and to have a “surprise factor” on his CD. Maybe a few fans will be put off, but most will adjust to the new sound and be on board. No one is going to punish these guys for not sounding exactly identical to what they did on the show, and new fans especially–which they have to pick up–won’t care as long as the music’s good, which I really hope it is for both of them.

Ironically, I kind of expect BTBW studio to be maybe the main type of song on the album!!

It’s electronic, rock-influence, cheerful and fun. That’s just exactly what he’s said recently that he mainly wants to do!

I know and that makes me a little nervous.

That studio was way too flat–the Idol band and sound people are not equipped to handle electronic dance/rock music. If that’s some of what makes it onto his album, he’ll have the best sound people and producers working on it, so it will come out sounding right.

jambajimAt 6 Flags I saw a 3-year-old girl posing for a pic w/ Dorothy the Dino b4 kissing her w/o warning. She’s a @KrisAllen4Real fan in training!

Too cute!

So, the only thing to conclude is that Kris won on the strength of votes of a majority who weren’t in interested in following him (whatever their reasons)after the Idol season ended in May. Unless, of course, we are to believe that Kris has droves of fans who won’t deign to go to an Idol show but are just itching to buy his album’ ¦.

I don’t agree with this notion that Kris does not have any fans following him. He’s sold close to 300,000 copies of Heartless on Itunes since the finale and it was never released to radio. He also sold close to 300,000 copies of “No Boundaires”, which might be the most ridiculed song of the year. And from the most recent numbers that have been released – he and Adam are essentially tied for total sales from music on iTunes since the finale. I would say that is not bad considering Adam has had a heck of lot more mainstream exposure.

Kris certainly does not have the ultra-passionate hardcore Idol fan base that Clay or Taylor had – and Adam has now. But the goal of Kris, Adam, Allison and the rest is to attract non-Idol fans to their camps. That’s what will determine their ultimate success. Not how many CD’s get sent to the troops overseas or how many people scream when your picture appears on a jumbotron. :wink_wp:

I agree that Kris certainly has a tougher road ahead than Adam does. Adam is the one that will get the big push from 19 and will have all the media attention. But if Jive gets behind Kris and and he has a couple songs that click at radio, I see no reason why he cannot be successful. After all, Kris was written off at numerous times during the season as well.

Aek, Thanks girl I hate my hair but maybe thats because I’ve lived with the mess for 31 years
That picture was all the way at the top of the barricades on the side that kinda went up a hill where you could see the buses clearly… He made his way all the way down the line. The first time he passed by me, I didn’t get a pic, so I walked down to the end and waited until he came all the way down and then I got the pic made with him. He was such a nice guy. I mean I was really impressed. By the time he made his way to the very end, the crowd had died down because he had already went through the whole line so people were leaving….plus it was later in the afternoon… he was the only one out there. I didn’t get there in time to see any of the others before the show.

“The use of the death of his wife as a backstory on Idol made me cringe. His invocation of his wife’s memory every night on the show makes my skin crawl.”

I’m guessing that AI was responsible for much of this. They wanted to push the back story, IMO, and, though, yes, Danny agreed, I wonder if even he thought that it went too far. Though he is still including mention of his wife’s death on the tour, it’s no wonder that he might want to include her memory and a tribute to her a little bit on the tour. I do think that he means for that part to be inspiriational, and though I haven’t heard it live, (just over the gurgling cellcast), I don’t think he’s trying to “use” his wife in this context. But, I have no real insight into the real person, obviously, so it’s just my guess.

Also, there are a lot more than 5 Kris fans here! I might be more of an Adam fan, but I love Kris as well.

And just go to ontd_ai if you ever need a boost, it’s filled to the brim with Kris fans, Adam fans, and Kradam fans (the majority are Kradam fans, just with one of the two being their favorite).

Thanks girl I hate my hair but maybe thats because I’ve lived with the mess for 31 years

31?? Girl, you aint look no 31.

(you look younger, just so we’re clear lol)

Kranoop is real, y’all.

Kris:
@AnoopDoggDesai smells bad. I still live him though.
Not live….love. Dang iPhone.

Anoop:
@KrisAllen4Real didn’t mention that I was working out. Talk about fame going to someone’s head. Sorry to offend the winner’s airspace. Haha

“I think Kris will do fine with record sales – so I’m not concerned at all. He was probably the most contemporary contestant on the show this year, and the viewers clearly responded to that.”

I totally agree with this statement. You only need to look at where Kris comes from. Conway, Arkansas is very much a college town. I think there are three different colleges in that town. So, Kris is very much aware of popular music and what the younger crowd is listening to and buying. That’s I take him at his word there will be pop/rock with something special. After his single drops and his album drop date is announced, I am sure he will be making the rounds again on the daytime and nighttime talk shows but this time on his own. I would love to see him on Jimmy Fallon again, that was a fun show. This time it will be all about him, no show and tour. He will just be promoting himself.

31?? Girl, you aint look no 31.

(you look younger, just so we’re clear lol)

alison8701–
Aw Thanks I do appreciate a compliment, especially when its saying I look younger, LOL I am 31 though… really!

Kranoooooooop! haha, love it!

Anoop about Kris:
But I appreciate him ‘living’ me. It’s a lifestyle choice that he’s chosen to make. He’s a great Desai’ple.

For Cook fans – this is how he spends a well-deserved day off.

From twitter: If I couldn’t love him any more than I already do: David Cook is @ Disney world with Lindsey Rose on his day off!

I feel like too many people are bombarding me with Adam praise, and am lately suffering my own personal mini-backlash.

Completely understandable. I am a fan and I’ve reached saturation point and am not feeling the love as much. It’s one of the reason’s I’ve pulled back from posting here so much–not that you’d notice it today. I’m not planning on listening in/watching the live blog during the concerts anymore (although last night I still ended up checking in a few times–withdrawal is hard).

Kranoop is real, y’all.

LOL thanks so much for posting these, Alison8701!! What goofs they are!

Kris responded:

You’re right @AnoopDoggDesai. I shouldn’t have said that…or maybe I should have gone into detail.

Kranooooooooop.

Kris:
I am the #1 Desai’ple.

I don’t think he’s trying to ‘use’  his wife in this context. But, I have no real insight into the real person, obviously, so it’s just my guess.

What else would it be? he’s using his experience in overcoming his wife’s loss, and making it onto Idol as some sort of inspirational, look what I did you can be as strong as I am, speech.

That to me is self-promotion, and exploitation of his wife’s memory. It would be different if he were making this speech in another forum, like a grief support group, but a concert?! I think it’s sleazy and opportunistic, and I kid you not when I say it makes my skin crawl.

But again, ymmv.

Well I don’t worry about Adam’s stuff sounding like the studio version of BtBW, though I do think the studio version sucked. No offense to people who liked it. I’m just not one of them, but I put that on the shoulders of the team the AI team. These are the same people who bandzilla’d most of the contestants into non-recognition, most of the time. I can only think of a few cases where I thought the studio was even as good as the live performance, much less added anything beyond it. But luckily Adam is working with people now who not only get electronica, but have the equipment and time to do so.

That picture was all the way at the top of the barricades on the side that kinda went up a hill where you could see the buses clearly’ ¦ He made his way all the way down the line. The first time he passed by me, I didn’t get a pic, so I walked down to the end and waited until he came all the way down and then I got the pic made with him. He was such a nice guy. I mean I was really impressed.

Okay, I know where you were, then. Yeah, by the time Danny finished, there wasn’t enough time for anyone else to come out. It was almost 4:00.

Sucks that you didnt make it there earlier. Everyone else, Kris, Michael, Anoop, and Matt, were all out before there were any barricades up. They were just milling around in the crowd. It was kinda neat.

And you are 31? Dang, I wouldn’t have thought any older than 25.

I agree that Kris certainly has a tougher road ahead than Adam does. Adam is the one that will get the big push from 19 and will have all the media attention. But if Jive gets behind Kris and and he has a couple songs that click at radio, I see no reason why he cannot be successful.

I don’t believe that Kris is not going to get a big push from 19. He won for goodness sake. It would be stupid to promote him any less than Adam.

‘The use of the death of his wife as a backstory on Idol made me cringe. His invocation of his wife’s memory every night on the show makes my skin crawl.’ 
I’m guessing that AI was responsible for much of this. They wanted to push the back story.

I might believe this if Danny didn’t constantly bring it up every time. It’s like poor me, see all the trials I’ve been through.

Allison8701 loved the tweet sent @5.32 – reminded me how I sit & fret about these idols and they are out there giving each other the business & havin some fun!

And re my previous post – it was my opinion – I do not care if anyone agrees!! :smile1_tb:

And from the most recent numbers that have been released – he and Adam are essentially tied for total sales from music on iTunes since the finale.

And there is the most important thing. I think they will open about the same, both fanbases are strong buyers IMO.

Completely understandable. I am a fan and I’ve reached saturation point and am not feeling the love as much. It’s one of the reason’s I’ve pulled back from posting here so much’“not that you’d notice it today. I’m not planning on listening in/watching the live blog during the concerts anymore (although last night I still ended up checking in a few times’“withdrawal is hard).

I think this is a wise suggestion. A little distance would put Adamulation in perspective.

However, logic escapes me on the press pushing him down people’s throats, thereby causing backlash. What if he actually makes a great album. The press will be ridiculous compared to what it is now. According to the logic expressed here, then the backlash should increase astronomically thereby causing a subsequent decrease in album sales. The backlash theory made sense during the competition, but the competition is over now.

alison8701
Aug 16th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Anoop about Kris:
But I appreciate him ‘living’ me. It’s a lifestyle choice that he’s chosen to make. He’s a great Desai’ple.

Desai’ples. What a cute name for Noop fans.

Desai’ples. What a cute name for Noop fans.

It is purdy clever.

From @KrisAllen4Real:

I am the #1 Desai’ple.
8 minutes ago from TwitterFon

You’re right @AnoopDoggDesai. I shouldn’t have said that…or maybe I should have gone into detail.
9 minutes ago from TwitterFon

EmmaJK, thank you so much for letting us know where our beloved Cookie is on his day off. Love this man.

What else would it be? he’s using his experience in overcoming his wife’s loss, and making it onto Idol as some sort of inspirational, look what I did you can be as strong as I am, speech.

That to me is self-promotion, and exploitation of his wife’s memory. It would be different if he were making this speech in another forum, like a grief support group, but a concert?! I think it’s sleazy and opportunistic, and I kid you not when I say it makes my skin crawl.

But again, ymmv.

My mileage does vary, indeed. And of course, none of us know what Danny is really feeling. But I see it as this. I think that Danny was desperate to make his wife’s death mean something. I think he wanted something positive to come out of what happened. I think that’s why he started the foundation….just as a family near where I live set up a foundation in the memory of their daughter who died of Cancer. Sometimes people have this intense urge to want to make some sort of meaning out of a loved ones death….you hear it often termed as “I don’t want her death to be in vain.”

I also think he wanted to talk about his wife so that others could see who she was. I really do. I also do think he wanted to get attention for the foundation, which he set up in her name to help children because from all accounts (friends of the family, too) that is what Danny and his wife spent their time doing…working with underpriveleged children. But Danny was very naive, and I don’t think he understood the cynicism of the online AI fanatics.

But it is what it is. And btw, I don’t think Danny is a saint. I think he is a regular good guy, who makes mistakes and sometimes says stupid things, but I do think he has a good heart. If fact that was one of Adam’s comments about Danny….”he has a big heart.” I believe it.

I don’t believe that Kris is not going to get a big push from 19. He won for goodness sake. It would be stupid to promote him any less than Adam.

And as mj says, a good sign from TPTB is that his face on the AI winners mural isn’t behind a potted plant. I don’t think 19 and Jive are going to Taylor Hicks Kris. Which I agree, they’d be stupid to do, because the guy is totally marketable and hello! he won. He clearly has tons of fans from the show, and as he’s marketable, can be outside of it. I think TPTB see this and are going want to make Kris a success. It’s in their best interest financially to do so, and I think they see they have a fairly good shot at it, and pretty easy way of doing so.

Aek-
I sure wish we would’ve came earlier. We did hang out for afterwards too though but I much prefer the laid back feeling of the before show barricades.
& yes I’m 31, lol. Gosh I’m glad to know I don’t look it. I do still get carded, but I figured it was because its the law, lol

Anoop about Kris:
But I appreciate him ‘living’ me. It’s a lifestyle choice that he’s chosen to make. He’s a great Desai’ple.

:lol_tb:

Oh my God! So many posts in so little time. I went away to make a coffee before submitting this and … well it seems way to late … but here goes anyway.

aek:
I think you are totally right about Danny. And I think that for me, I have a second bias that even reinforces the one I’ve picked up on the internet.

Danny is almost universally hated and reviled, scorned and belittled etc. etc. to the point where it feels really cruel and unnecessary and I really kinda wanted to like him because I sorta started to feel sorry for him because nobody deserves to be the target of so much hostility unless they hurt puppies and children. Right? But, since this tour began, my reaction to Danny hasn’t changed even though I’ve really softened toward Michael Sarver.

And I think it’s simply because of the way that they talk (in interviews). Danny’s tone of voice doesn’t read genuine to me. But Sarver’s does. And Danny doesn’t think before he speaks so he ends up sounding flippant and childish or even arrogant. But Sarver doesn’t. He’s more deliberate and thoughtful when he speaks and I think that let’s his kindness comes through (where Danny’s doesn’t).

And, recognizing that he’s got so much internet bias to cut through, I really do think that Danny needs communications coaching. It would stand him in good stead with everyone, even the people who have somehow avoided the bias. Know what I mean?

If I couldn’t love him any more than I already do: David Cook is @ Disney world with Lindsey Rose on his day off!

Awww, Cookie! :wub_tb:

and I don’t think he understood the cynicism of the online AI fanatics.

LOL! I don’t think you can call me an AI fanatic, this was my first season and likely my last.
My reaction is not cynicism, it’s the reaction of someone who has suffered the loss of loved ones. I find his behaviour distasteful, and nothing anyone can say, can make me see it differently.

And just go to ontd_ai if you ever need a boost, it’s filled to the brim with Kris fans, Adam fans, and Kradam fans (the majority are Kradam fans, just with one of the two being their favorite).

Haha, I totally go there when I want to laugh hysterically until tears are rolling down my face. I seriously laughed for hours about “I got ham but I’m not a hamster”. Right now they’re having a field day with the Kris tweet about Anoop – there is a whole thread devoted to Kranoop and they’re going nuts.

Glad there are more than 5 fans

‘I got ham but I’m not a hamster’ .

I hope people credited that to the british comedian Bill bailey. :tongue_laugh_ee:

However, logic escapes me on the press pushing him down people’s throats, thereby causing backlash.

There is no logic to it. The press don’t think or care about that. They don’t care what happens to any of the idol’s careers. They want people to watch their shows and they want web hit’s. Adam’s fanatic fan base gives them that. That’s why his name is worked in articles that have absolutely nothing to do with him, idol or even music. But when you google, those articles show up and gain the site traffic.

As far as the media being there if he has a good or great album, maybe, maybe not. It really depends on whether or not his fans have gotten tired and drifted away. One of the reasons I postulated that the Adam/Perez twitter/blog thing was planned was that it gained them both attention. It drew traffic to Perez’s site and it kept a lot of Adam’s on line fans reeled in and fully vested. That’s yet another reason I think the photo supposedly taken at the cover art photo session may have been released…it’s quite possible it was planned (not saying it was but the natural cynic in me tends to question anything that gains that much press).

The problem is that it can be tiring and fans can experience burn out. But the alternative for the idols is that a lot of people forget you before your CD is released. It’s a fine line they have to walk trying to get enough media to make people outside of idol at least aware of your name while keeping the idol fans interested without burning them out.

ROF was criticized by Simon because it was so incredibly out of Idol standards not because it did not sound country, it was his most love it or hate it performance on idol.
Adam could have done dozens of different covers of RoF including more traditional rock versions (Social Distortion) and I am sure he would have gotten praised for it (see Daughtry I Walk the Line).

For that matter Adam could have done an entire season of Tracks of My Tears and Mad World type performances and wiped the floor with the place.

If all he was interested in doing was winning, this is what he would have done. But winning wasn’t his goal- his goal was to present himself as an artist who wanted opportunities. He was versatile in many genres so he presented himself in many genres, but always with his own particular Adam stamp.

I don’t think anyone knows exactly what will be on his album, and I also think that this is what distinguishes recording artists from pop stars. There is nothing cookie cutter about Adam- no formula, no Pandora mirror acts- he will be Adam. While labels may be necessary as far as marketing, they are an artificial construct to an artist who enjoys exploring all genres. Whatever he does will be Adamized- some people will like it and some will not.
That’s fine.

He has always been polarizing and will always be polarizing- I hope.
I don’t look for him to be average or run of the mill fit the mold in any way, shape, or form. I expect him to push envelopes and that entails losing a few Idol fans- which IMO are personality oriented as opposed to music orientated.

As an emerging artist Adam has to walk the fine line of appealing to the masses enough to see success but remaining true to his own vision so he is satisfied personally as an artist. It’s tricky and likely some songs will fall on either side of the line between artistic vision and pop success. But hopefully two or three will strike a chord with the buying public and ensure that he has more opportunities as an artist to present what he does to the public.

Nobody I know in Adam fandom is expecting a million copies sold in one week or month. What most of us serious fans of his music expect is enough success to make sure that he is able to keep making it.

New images from the movie 2012:

http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/blog/viewpost/1428

I hope people credited that to the british comedian Bill bailey.

Hmmm.. somebody was credited but I can’t remember who it was now .. I just know I totally cracked up seeing “I’ve got soul, but I’m not a soldier…..I got ham, but I’m not a hamster….. I got baked, but I’m not a baker”. And you get the idea.

Ironically, I kind of expect BTBW studio to be maybe the main type of song on the album!!

It’s electronic, rock-influence, cheerful and fun. That’s just exactly what he’s said recently that he mainly wants to do!

I know and that makes me a little nervous.

That studio was way too flat’“the Idol band and sound people are not equipped to handle electronic dance/rock music. If that’s some of what makes it onto his album, he’ll have the best sound people and producers working on it, so it will come out sounding right.

Yeah, I think so, too.

Aw, Kranoop is so cute! And goofy…

On a similar topic, Kris is really using twitter to his advantage…his tweets are usually really random and funny, and he seems to get a lot of @ replies whenever he tweets. I know ontd_ai has threads basically anytime he tweets, just to discuss and laugh over them. I’m sure he’s gained a few new fans just by doing this.

If I couldn’t love him any more than I already do: David Cook is @ Disney world with Lindsey Rose on his day off!

Heh. I bet David isn’t going to change his opinion of twitter any time soon, as I doubt he’d want to publicize this himself.

That being said? I’m glad someone did, even if it does make it ridiculously difficult for me to control my tendency to go completely fangirly over… not just his music. :blush_tb:

And I think it’s simply because of the way that they talk (in interviews). Danny’s tone of voice doesn’t read genuine to me. But Sarver’s does. And Danny doesn’t think before he speaks so he ends up sounding flippant and childish or even arrogant. But Sarver doesn’t. He’s more deliberate and thoughtful when he speaks and I think that let’s his kindness comes through (where Danny’s doesn’t).

For me, Danny comes across as more sincere in interviews than Michael. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate Michael at all. But Michael’s demeanor reminds me soooo much of the guy who lives accross the street from me who has some major anger management issues….but on the surface seems like a really nice guy. Do I think Michael is like that? NO. But they do have very similar personalities.

I think Sarver has overcome the hate more easily (and I have thought about this) for two reasons. One is that he TRIED really hard on Twitter. It really could have gone either way for him there. The other is because Michael really only had a few weeks of hate spewed at him online, and Danny had months of it. It became the cool thing to do to make fun of and belittle Danny. People started having fun with it, and it was hard to give it up. I think people like having somone that it’s “okay” to be mean to.

I’ve even seen some people admit that they just went along with the hate because it was fun.

I know that this doesn’t apply to everyone. I understand that. But I think it does apply to alot.

Buderschnookie@6:11 pm – Re your second paragraph, starting with “If all he was intersted in” (sorry don’t know how to use quote) but I really think you are dead on in your comment – I have not previously heard this particular theory mentioned.

Both he & Kris have often mentioned just getting to the top ten as their priority and neither caring who won the top prize, because they both were winners, etc. I personally do not feel they were BSing either. So Adam’s game plan really fits your logic!! Brilliant!!! :smile1_tb:

It’s just opinions, people. I will not lie that my hate for Danny was enhanced because of the internets. Just as my love for Anoop was. But it’s based on something. Like when Danny said he loves it when fans tell him how gorgeous and hot they think he is.

LOL! I don’t think you can call me an AI fanatic, this was my first season and likely my last.
My reaction is not cynicism, it’s the reaction of someone who has suffered the loss of loved ones. I find his behaviour distasteful, and nothing anyone can say, can make me see it differently.

Sunn, I’ve suffered the loss of loved ones, too. Everyone grieves in different ways. I happen to understand where Danny is coming from, and I have read comments from others who feel the same way. Obviously, you see things very differently. That’s okay, too. And I’m not trying to make you see it differently. I’m just reading what you wrote,and I want to put my own veiwpoint out there.

I, personally,do not believe that Danny didn’t care about his wife and is exploiting her. It’s possible that that is the way he feels about the person that he chose to share is life with for nine years, but I just don’t believe it, personally.

Nobody I know in Adam fandom is expecting a million copies sold in one week or month. What most of us serious fans of his music expect is enough success to make sure that he is able to keep making it.

Yes, this! – those whose main interest is the music/voice are just hoping for more music we enjoy and enough success that he can keep making new music for us. I strongly suspect that every Adam album (hoping for many!) will be different and will suprise us. Maybe someday we’ll even get one of broadway hits (a la Rod Stewarts american classics albums :biggrin_wp:)

I, personally,do not believe that Danny didn’t care about his wife and is exploiting her. It’s possible that that is the way he feels about the person that he chose to share is life with for nine years, but I just don’t believe it, personally.

I think he cared for his wife, but, imo, it’s not stopping him from exploiting her memory.

That’s how I feel, like I said before… mileage.

For Cook fans – this is how he spends a well-deserved day off.

From twitter: If I couldn’t love him any more than I already do: David Cook is @ Disney world with Lindsey Rose on his day off!

I just let out a huge awwwwwwww. I do remember him saying in some interview a couple of weeks ago he was going to take his niece and nephew to Disney this month. I absolutely love that he’s still maintained a friendship with that little girl though. I guess he meant it when he told her they would be friends forever :wub_tb:

I think it’s just something a bit hard to swallow. They were married for 11 years. And he auditioned a month after her death. For me, I was just thinking “what. I would still be bed-ridden and depressed as hell.” Then it just all started to pile up.. and he has the skeezy smirk. And there’s like, a weird time lapse. Cause it almost felt like she died in December or something, because we saw the auditions in January.

but I think it’s her birthday, so I’ll just leave it. but it’s her bday and he’s tweeting. I would be depressssssed and reflective. but whatever. Different people.

I just can’t keep up with you guys. By the time I am done typing my 2 cents, you guys have moved several pages ahead of me. By the time I catch up, jms, jpd and Truthiness have already said (and better) what I typed up so arduously, and I keep having to deleting all my hard work! *sighs*

This is just my theory, and of course, I know people will disagree. But I think that after one reads over and over and over on the Internet what a douche Danny is and that he’s creepy and that he sucks, eventually it becomes almost impossible for him to overcome that perception.

^^^ This seems to be the same problem that Adam and Kris have. They were pigeon-holed during the show, and Adam is the forever flambouyant theatrical fake-rocker and Kris is the laid-back acoustic guy (he seemed pretty jamming to me at the concert). How do *you* know that I as an Adam fan perceive him as a rocker? I do not perceive him as a rocker. I perceive that he was influenced by rock. I guessed he was going to do pop/dance/(glam)rock direction during his AI run. If we go by what’s been said about his upcoming album nothing contradicts that guess. Kris doesn’t seem all acoustic to me either. He may have done more of that style during AI season because that way he had more control over his performance and it showcased his quiet strengths. At the concert, he seemed pretty jamming to me.

I, for one, do not hate Danny. I still don’t understand what drives people to hate him so much in the blogosphere. Yeah, he is a bumbling PR nightmare but what has he really done? Yeah, there are some intensely negative comments by his *fans* regarding Adam, but I have yet to find things from Danny himself that was mean spirited. Those who routinely call him dead-wife guy *are* the douchebags in my book (I will probably get in trouble for saying this – getting ready to run now). Give the poor guy a break. His wife died just a year ago. My mom died more than 15 years ago, and I still grieve. Everyone deals with grief in different ways. Some verbalize and some go kick a dog – I don’t, for the record – or go work out. Given how (in)articulate he is in general, I still walk away with the impression he is just grieving. The only problem I have with Danny is his musical style or lack thereof. He has a great voice and I like it, but there are a lot of people with good/great voices in this world. I don’t have to sponsor all of them until they develop as viable commercial artists. I bough lots of Madonna CDs and I don’t like her. I regret having bought that many even when she started to go stale IMO. Now I am going to go buy MJ’s Thriller. He gave me heebeejeebees (sp?).

RE: perception by some Adam is not singing from the heart. I found that the visual aspect of his performance can distract you from the soulfulness of his performances. I used to watch his AI performance videos ALL the time. These days I only listen to the studio versions and am really *feeling* it. Perceiving someone sings from the heart is a subjective statement. If you don’t connect, you don’t connect. That’s all. I don’t cry over songs, but I definitely have moments of intense, um, heart-stimulation when I listen to Adam’s singing.

Yes to Matt & Jazz!!! I don’t get the JT comparison. I see/hear in Matt Jazz/Soul/Blues.

And to someone who posted earlier that Adam fans will go out without listening to his first CD. Ah, no. Not true in my case. I may sound like I’d do that because I am very much looking forward to it. That anticipation is based on my past reaction to his songs. Not all Adam fans are alike. I don’t assume all Christians will go out and buy Danny’s album or all Arkansans will go out in droves to buy Kris’ album. If Adam’s tracks all sound like Lady Ga Ga, I am not buying. The only song I like by LGG is Poker Face. One is enough.

As for Kris not getting raving reviews comments, well, he won AI. Shouldn’t people (at least those who know what AI is) expect to be wowed? I thought he was getting pretty good reviews for anyone coming off of AI.

I like BTBW performance version better than the studio version. I get the synth thing, but this particular song doesn’t work well (for me) the way it was produced. Frankly, Feeling Good was probably the only one where studio version was better than live show version, among Adam’s songs anyways. I’ve heard other people say the same about Kris’.

I turned off my device update on Adam’s tweets. I don’t like his recent tendency to redirect his fan traffic to his friends. Not interested.

Boy, am I b****y today. I logging off and will deal with Adam withdrawl until next gate – I will probably be several hours late to the party as usual, heh. Thanks everyone, you are the real reason I keep following the concerts on this blog. Your witty comments *are* the entertainment.

I don’t hate Danny, I just don’t like him. I love/adore Adam, but that did not keep me from snarking/ROFL over the puffy cover pic. MWahahahaha.

Most reviewers pretry much say ‘America got it right, and Kris was a deserving winner.’ So yeah, I think people expect him to do pretty well. At least as well as Cook, which I don’t think is an unreasonable expectation. And hey, if Adam does as well as Archie, that is a reasonable expectation to make as well to me.

I have bookmarked a lot of the reviews from the tour and if I had to sum up all of them in one sentence it will be something like: “Adam is the true winner and the superstar among this crop of contestant”.

I really don’t see people expecting Kris=Cook and Adam=Archie at all.
Adam is at RCA, has the media in his pocket, got the most prestigious collaborations and a photoshoot that seems to have costed big bucks to his record label, he got Simon Cowell to stand up and then call him an international superstar, he has the biggest internet fanbase and the most cheers at every stop of the tour so far (except Arkansas), he has the backing of stars like Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Slash or Bryan May…

I think he should be expected to sell more than Kris and I think he will (at least in the first few weeks).

HotHotHot
Aug 16th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I don’t hate Danny, I just don’t like him. I love/adore Adam, but that did not keep me from snarking/ROFL over the puffy cover pic. MWahahahaha.

Ditto that.

As a side note; I just found this twitter account which I would describe as interesting to say the least:

http://www.twitter.com/AdamLambertHATE

My reaction to that person’s posts is simply… Wow!

I think Kris will do fine with record sales – so I’m not concerned at all. He was probably the most contemporary contestant on the show this year, and the viewers clearly responded to that

This. Also, I don’t think Kris will go in a direction that will disappoint any of his fans. His music will be cohesive and have one sound. I’m worried about Adam’s music in that he wants to go so many directions, because for that to work out the music has to be really excellent, in a way that I doubt Idol albums can be. Otherwise, it’s much better to go for a specific market and really hit it out of the park in that genre, instead of trying to create something new that may or may not click.

As for Danny… no one’s mentioned this yet, but my opinion of him was really colored by the whole “gokeyisadouche” debacle. It was hard for me to divorce my perception of Danny from my perception of his family and friends. But from what I’ve read from people who’ve met Danny and people who know him, I don’t think he’s a douchey or a nasty person anymore. I do believe that he has a big heart. He’s a bumbling, earnest sort of person, so it’s hard for me not to poke fun at him sometimes, but I wish him well.

And as for his musical knowledge, he doesn’t need vast musical knowledge to make it in the music industry. He just has to sing his own songs well. There will be people with musical knowledge to guide him in whatever label he is signed to.

I think he should be expected to sell more than Kris and I think he will (at least in the first few weeks).

Kris won because he had more votes. The supposition is that his fans are just quieter. So, just because Adam’s fans are noisier does not mean there are more of them. If there were more of them, he would have won. So, yes, I expect Kris to sell more records.

MrsB: I’m just learning all this also. Knowing how to quote makes things so much easier, and more fun! Highlight what you want-then copy. Then click on B-Quote under the reply box. Paste your copied quote and go down and click on B-Quote again. Then you can begin with your comment. Hope this helps.

I think Anoop will surprise everyone and sell the most. Who’s with me! :drunk_tb:

(yeah capes!)

and I don’t think he understood the cynicism of the online AI fanatics.

LOL! I don’t think you can call me an AI fanatic, this was my first season and likely my last.
My reaction is not cynicism, it’s the reaction of someone who has suffered the loss of loved ones. I find his behaviour distasteful, and nothing anyone can say, can make me see it differently.

I agree with what aek said. Cynicism is scorn or distrust for someone’s motives. As I understand it, Danny’s wife Sophia was a fan of the show but he never saw it until they got a DVD because he worked during the day as a semi truck driver and at night as a church music director. Sophia wanted him to try out and he agreed. She died unexpectedly, and he has said that he did not want to try out and wished he could wait a year but it was this year or never to do what he had told her he would do. So he tried out, started a foundation with her life insurance money, and saw a way to find some meaning in her passing. That’s what the show meant to him and he wanted people to know that’s why he was doing it. I agree with aek that he had no idea that people would react to this with scorn. When he was voted off, one of the first comments he made was that he was glad that now he could talk to people about Sophia and not be accused of trying to get votes. On tour, he references his journey to share again the meaning behind why he is standing on that stage. Danny is human, and imperfect like all of us. But I believe that he feels a purpose in trying to help people. He and Sophia volunteered and helped people for years, it’s part of who he is.

During the show, I immediately picked Adam and Danny as my favorites because in my opinion they have the two best voices. As time went on, I grew to like both of them as well. Adam completely charmed me with his combination of confidence and humility, and pure old fashioned good manners. Danny touched my heart because I could see that it was a struggle for him to be in the moment with this experience but he kept powering through it as best he could. And I do think it’s pretty amazing how well he did in the circumstances. He brings a power and passion to his performances that many people respond to. Same for Adam. I love them both. They are so different but have that rare ability to make an individual in an audience of thousands (or millions, on TV) feel an emotional connection with them.

My reaction to that person’s posts is simply’ ¦ Wow!

Now this is something we can agree on. Yeah, wow.

Interesting article on USA Today regarding the Idol tour.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2009-08-12-idols-live-tour_N.htm

“Another boost: Season 8 had a hugely popular runner-up.

“The Adam Lambert fan base is incredibly avid,” says former Idol blogger Richard Rushfield, the incoming West Coast editor for Gawker. “That dedication is what sells tickets.”

Kris won because he had more votes. The supposition is that his fans are just quieter. So, just because Adam’s fans are noisier does not mean there are more of them. If there were more of them, he would have won. So, yes, I expect Kris to sell more records.

I don’t think that because Kris won means he has more fans, he just had more fans that happened to text or call in more. )

He also has 19′s PR chief handling his pr.

Really? I didn’t know about this.. wow.. seems this PR chief didn’t do much for Adam… since it looks like this PR chief let Adam does a lot of his PR himself.

someone post this in the NY Post comment:

Adam Lambert
1. Raises emotions
2. Gets people talking
3. Gets all the press.

What we’ve seen now is Adam doing his own PR, because of the above. Even if it’s just as simple as twitter party which the other idols does it all the time, but when Adam did it, it made the news. He never expected it that it made the news but IMO it’s out of his control.

Sometimes I feel bad for him, I feel like he lives under microscope. People are watching, observing, reviewing and analyzing everything he does. I’m pretty sure none of his idol friends like / want to be in Adam’s shoes now, because they actually can enjoy the tour and have more freedom and enjoy all the places they’re in. Kris said one time that he’s happy Adam got all the attention so Kris has more freedom to do what he wants to do without being disturbed. I don’t blame him.

Interesting thread!! Three comments:

1. IMO expectations of Kris are very high. He won Idol, so his album and it’s sales will be compared to all 7 past Idol winners plus he will be compared to Adam.

2. There are low expectations for Danny but I believe if he ends up with Mark Bright (or someone with equal talent and an understanding of the Inspirational-Country market) he will be successful. It may not be to some people’s taste but the Christian/Inspiration market in the US is huge. Note: do not be surprised if the also market Kris in this space — like Jordin Sparks.

3. Adam is versitle but he always sounds like Adam. I really don’t see this as an issue. He has said he wants to fuse genres and specifically included rock on this list. Also, Glam is Rock. Metal and NuMetal are Rock. Electro Dance Music has a Rock beat, Alternative Music is Rock. And so on.

The songs he’s done so far range from Goth/Melodic Metal (Ring of Fire) to Hard Rock (WLL) to Classic Rock (Satisfaction) to Alternative Rock (Starlight) to Alternative Pop (Mad World) to Torch Pop (IICHY) to Blues (My Change is Gonna Come) to Musical Theater (Is Anybody Listening) to Classical/Operatic (Brigadoon) to Electro/Dance to……… I think I have found every genre EXCEPT Country or Western.

Here’s a sample the genres where Adam is currently classified:

AOL Music –
Influenced by: Robert Plant, Freddie Mercury
Genre: Rock & Alternative

Wiki -
Genre(s): Neo-glam, Alternative rock, Experimental rock

AllMusic -
Genre: Pop/Rock
Styles: Alternative Pop/ Rock, Pop Idol, Musical Theater

iTunes
Genre: Pop

Q3 -
Genre: Out-of-the-Box, with a theatrical edge

To quote Adam from early June:

Adam revealed that, while he would hate it if his music was easily categorized, he could describe his album as ideally a ‘rock-pop-electronic-dance thing.’ 

‘My view of the record industry is that it’s a little too specific lately. The labels tend to try to put one box around every artist and keep them in one genre. We don’t have to go about it that way. Obviously, we want the album to have a cohesive sound. But I think it can kind of be a collection of different styles with me at the center of it [as] the common thread. I don’t want to do one specific genre. I’m more about fusion.’  the 27-year-old singer was telling the media a couple of days ago about his plans for the future.

I remember reading on this blog that this was foolish and that Adam would be forced into a genre. Well as the album process has moved forward prodcers, songwriters and RCA executives who are working with Adam has also said it would be a multi-genre fusion album. So, my bet is, it will be.

Another article citing Billboard info.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Adam-Lambert-Sells-Most-Tickets-for-Idol-Live-Concerts-119305.shtml

I wrote something & deleted it by mistake – I think it was entirely too gushing fangirly over dear David Cook. As people said previously, just when you don’t think you could be a bigger fan, he pulls you in again. (For any newbies to AI this year – the LindseyRose mentioned is a little girl with cancer who supported DC during his AI run. He wears the orange bracelet for her.)
Hope Cookie gets some privacy when he goes Disneying with niece/nephew.

I know just how you feel GlamGleeGirl. How do you all think and type so quickly?

So, I agree with Sunsurger about Adam’s album

It’s those ‘power vocals’. I’ll buy anything from Adam as long as it doesn’t minimizes or obscure his voice. Some of his earlier stuff just blends his voice with uninspired, generic music and, well, anybody could have done it. So, I don’t care how far out on a limb he goes, as long he doesn’t waste his talent doing the same old, same old, that everyone else is doing. He’s unique and I think he’s brave enough to do something that suits him (and his voice). He’s not bland. I don’t like bland. So, he’d lose me … if he threw his voice into some kind of everyday musical pablum … but then I’d be right back when he started to sing again … in any genre.

And I think a lot of us feel the same way so I’m not worried that he won’t sell well. It would be great if he does as much business as he wants to and no less business than he needs … to keep doing his own way in his own way. But, fortunately and unfortunately, I think that he and his music are going to go to the “stratesphere” just as Jamie Fox predicted.

JosieX
Aug 16th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

I agree with what aek said. Cynicism is scorn or distrust for someone’s motives.

JosieX, is there any particular reason why you quoted my reply to aek in your comment? Is your comment, quoted above, supposedly describing my reaction to Danny, despite my stating that my motives were not cynical?

I’m sorry, but I’m a bit confused.

I think he should be expected to sell more than Kris and I think he will (at least in the first few weeks).

I agree he has more hype but I don’t know about expecting him to sell more than Kris at first. As stated upthread, their ITunes downloads are about even. Adam gets more cheers but Kris gets a big amount as well, it’s not like there are crickets. LOL. Kris never hit the bottom during his run on Idol. Kris makes a pretty marketable style of music. Kris is much more likely to deliver exactly what his fans expect, IMO, as opposed to Adam who is a bit more risky to me. I don’t think Adam and Kris will start all that far apart. The hype may help Adam pull ahead after a while, if he makes the music to back it up. Like I said before, if Adam is helped by anything it will be the fact that he may well have 3 high profile songs out in the Fall in addition to the media hype. But the effect of that should be visible over time to me, not so much in the first 2 weeks. YMMV and all that though.

I think that seeing the Idol Tour has changed many people’s opinion of the Top 10. I went to the concert a fan of Adam, Alison and Kris,. I left as a fan of Adam, Matt and Kris — but I am now interested in Danny and willing to listen to his first record and consider buying it.

I noticed a lot of Adam fans (or at least people wearing Adam shirts, etc.), cheering for Danny. After the concert my opinions of the top 10:

A few went up after seeing them live: Adam, Matt and Danny. (I am now a Matt fan. I still an not a Danny fan.)

A few stayed right where they were: Kris, Anoop. (Liked them both before the concert and they were exactly as good as I expected. Not my taste in music or performance style.)

A few went down a bit: Allison, Lil, Megan, Scott (But I still like Allison, just not as much as I did before I saw her live.)

And one, went up because he was so nice to all the fans at every event I saw – Michael.

Ditto. I think the reason some people think he doesn’t sing from the heart is that he is so completely transparent and open that they assume it is an act.

I can see the “not singing from the heart” observation. From Idol and the few times I’ve seen Adam perform since, he has a tendency to use his full vocal prowess — knowing that that is what distinguishes him — without regard to whether it’s what the performance or song calls for. In other words, one might say, he sings from his head and not his heart. He gives you what he’s “famous for,” regardless. The few times he hasn’t — like with Mad World — I liked him much more, i.e., he put the song and the emotions first and the vocal gymnastics second. Less is more, in my opinion so that when these wide-ranging vocal abilities are required, people appreciate them as they are not standard operating procedure for Adam.

Honestly, I think the only problem Simon had with Ring of Fire is that Simon simply doesn’t like music that’s outside of the box in any way.

Simon’s taste are very pedestrian. Look at Leona Lewis. Not exactly a trailblazer!

Kris won because he had more votes. The supposition is that his fans are just quieter. So, just because Adam’s fans are noisier does not mean there are more of them. If there were more of them, he would have won. So, yes, I expect Kris to sell more records.

That’s the supposition that Kris fans make most of the time (and I’ve seen Adam fans ridiculing that opinion several times).
These are the 3 reasons why Kris won that I most often read in Adam centric forums and blogs:
1) Arkansas and the 38 million of votes
2) Gay haters voted against Adam
3) Danny fans voted for Kris because they are more similar type of contestants.

I think that I have never read one Adam fan saying that Kris won because he had more fans.

As a side note; I just found this twitter account which I would describe as interesting to say the least:

http://www.twitter.com/AdamLambertHATE

My reaction to that person’s posts is simply’ ¦ Wow!

And she’s following Adam twitter. for what? for making fun of his every twitter?..

yeah.. my reaction to this person’s pos is… WOW

I wonder what’s Kris responds to this.. hhmmm..

A few went down a bit: Allison

I kinda feel the same way. I love Allison’s voice. She was my number three pick during the show: Adam, Danny, Allison.

But to me, Allison could stand to be a little more balanced. Everything is so hard and bombastic. She’s good at that, but I wasn’t loving her set in the concert, even though I did say “wow” a few times. She is really young, and she is very good at what she does, but I’d like to hear some nuance, if that makes any sense.

tiger92
Aug 16th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
MrsB: I’m just learning all this also

Tada!!!!!!!!!!! Tiger92 I love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :wub_tb:

That twitter made me LOL. obviously not the intended effect but sometimes hate is funny.

please don’t start the why Adam had anon-win(yes I’m stubborn I refuse to admit kris won but love kris anyway) . I personally will NEVER think kris won because he has more fans but everyone thinks differently. I’ll just stop talking( or commenting) on this. There will never be a time when everyone agrees and we’ll never know so it’s pointless to argue about.

So, I have a question about the ITunes chart. Adam’s 7-song compilation “album” has been on their Top 100 Pop Albums ever since Idol ended. It’s never slipped below 40 and it’s been ten – fifteen notches above that (even when Michael Jackson albums flooded the market). Am I looking at something that doesn’t mean anything? I keep seeing other names coming and going on the list, up and down, up and down, so it doesn’t seem to be some kind of static picture … but nobody ever talks about it and I’m not sure why that is.

here’s the link:

http://www.windpowersports.com/music/pop-albums.php

yeah.. my reaction to this person’s pos is’ ¦ WOW

I wonder what’s Kris responds to this.. hhmmm..

I hope someone tweets him and asks him to check it out. I can’t believe he would be happy about it.

I think that I have never read one Adam fan saying that Kris won because he had more fans.

Well, if you only read certain Adam fansites, of course that’s what you’re going to see. But here at MJ’s, and at sites like ontd_ai, almost all Adam fans realize that Kris had more fans.

It’s just someone opinion. Not a big deal at all. But the twitter is fun to laugh at.

Sherena- almost all (notme!)

I can see the ‘not singing from the heart’  observation. From Idol and the few times I’ve seen Adam perform since, he has a tendency to use his full vocal prowess ‘” knowing that that is what distinguishes him ‘” without regard to whether it’s what the performance or song calls for. In other words, one might say, he sings from his head and not his heart. He gives you what he’s ‘famous for,’  regardless.

I don’t see that as not singing from “the heart,” though. I think Adam’s heart is filled with big power notes and vocal gymnastics. His heart can be into the dramatic. He loves it, so he means it and he tries to use the tools he has, to express himself musically. It just might be he’s a bit dramatic while doing so. Hey, I gesture with my hands a lot when talking. I don’t think he’s just doing something to distinguish himself or make him famous, I think like his evidently feeling more comfortable in his higher register, he likes to do go out there and improvise vocally and give what he has in his hear. And what he likes and feels come in big notes a lot. Just like he likes it high. It doen’t make it less real or more of an act, than he if sings ToMT, or MW or an acoustic Starlight without them.

A former vocal teacher of Adam’s when he was a kid said that when he would do some crazy notes, he wouldn’t go ‘yeah, I rock,’ he would go ‘that was fun! let’s do it again.’

I think there is a difference between simply not enjoying the notes and performance that Adam puts on vis-a-vis his key choices and notes, and a difference to whether it’s any more less ‘heartfelt.’ I think Adam sings those notes and songs from the heart, but whether someone feels emotionally connected, is a choice of the listener. But to underline, that has nothing to do with the singers intent or realness. You as a listener just might be left cold by what he is trying to produce. Which is valid and your subjective choice. Like all music is. Which is cool.

If I couldn’t love him any more than I already do: David Cook is @ Disney world with Lindsey Rose on his day off!

He is going to make a fabulous dad one day. As for his neice and nephew, it’s good for them to have both Cook’s dad as well as their Uncle David and Uncle Andrew to help give them a little bit of the dad-like love and support they recently lost. I’m not surprised at all that he’s trying to fill that void, at least a little.

NewFan-So, I have a question about the ITunes chart. Adam’s 7-song compilation ‘album’  has been on their Top 100 Pop Albums ever since Idol ended. It’s never slipped below 40 and it’s been ten – fifteen notches above that (even when Michael Jackson albums flooded the market). Am I looking at something that doesn’t mean anything? I keep seeing other names coming and going on the list, up and down, up and down, so it doesn’t seem to be some kind of static picture ‘ ¦ but nobody ever talks about it and I’m not sure why that is.

here’s the link:

http://www.windpowersports.com/music/pop-albums.php

I see this as very significant regarding Adam’s popularity also, In fact I mentioned it earlier in this thread. Who is still buying the album? I really think it is people outside the Idol bubble that are hearing the buzz about Adam because most Idol Adam fans probably purchased his music long ago.

I hope someone tweets him and asks him to check it out. I can’t believe he would be happy about it.

The last things a troll needs is attention. She has 1 follower. It’s not like she’s going to win Ms. Twitter Wall.

Well, if you only read Adam fansites, of course that’s what you’re going to see. But here at MJ’s, and at sites like ontd_ai, almost all Adam fans realize that Kris had more fans.

Huh? I don’t recall reading many posts like that. But I think who has more fans and who got more votes are two completely different issues.

So, it is for real then … and my computer isn’t stuck in some kind of loop.
Yay.
I think so too aa618892

JosieX, is there any particular reason why you quoted my reply to aek in your comment? Is your comment, quoted above, supposedly describing my reaction to Danny, despite my stating that my motives were not cynical?

Yes (as to why I included your quote). In another post I believe you said that you think he is exploiting his wife’s memory. Exploiting means to use something or someone in a selfish or unethical way. Danny has said that he wants his singing career and foundation to be aligned so that he can help people, and it’s the memory of his wife and her desire to help people that inspires him. I don’t think that people who believe that what he says is his motive is his motive would feel that he is exploiting his wife’s memory. Of course you have the right to dislike Danny for whatever reason you please and don’t need to justify yourself to me or anyone else. But I think that the reason that you gave for disliking him meets what my understanding of cynical means. Again, you have the right to feel as you wish but I hoped that my attempt at recounting the series of events in what I tried to make a reasonably objective portrayal of his point of view would help to illustrate the point that aek and I and others have tried to make about Danny.

I know that tone is hard to get across in writing, but I hope you understand that I am not challenging your right to feel as you do, but more inviting you to consider another point of view if you wish to. If you don’t, that’s fine too.

Well, if you only read Adam fansites, of course that’s what you’re going to see. But here at MJ’s, and at sites like ontd_ai, almost all Adam fans realize that Kris had more fans.

I read all kinds of blogs, but I never go to fansites (unless you call TWOP a fansite).

I think he should be expected to sell more than Kris and I think he will (at least in the first few weeks).

Sorry, I don’t agree with this at all. Adam didn’t win American Idol. Kris got the most votes and presumably the most voters. Why should Adam’s expectations be higher than Kris’s?? Because his efforts at the concert have garnered him great reviews?? No, I don’t buy that. Once again, it seems like Adam gets punished for doing well. Instead of the judges pimping him, now it’s reviewers across America?? So, he loses the AI title, but still is expected to exceed the winner’s numbers or he’ll be deemed a failure. Wow, Kris is the luckiest guy in the world. He gets the title plus lowered expectations, how can he lose?

As far as Danny, I am one person who was influenced by the media stuff. I started out the season really liking Danny. His gravelly voice was usually the kind of male voice I go for and early on I liked him. Started reading alot of internet stuff, watching idolatry and my perception of him changed. I don’t think I ever really hated him, but I had no patience for him whatsoever. Part of that came from the image portrayed of him on the internet and part of it came from the fact that musically, I don’t think he ever progressed or improved in either his performance or his interpretations of songs.

Now that the show has been over and I’ve seen Danny in concert and listened and watched some interviews with him, I’ve cut him some slack. I really do think his heart is in the right place and I think he really loved his wife and it had to be devestating for him to lose her. I haven’t been in his position and don’t know how I would react, so I find it hard to condemn him for getting through her loss in a way he felt honored her memory.

Both Adam and Danny suffered from how polarizing they were this season. Kris is really talented and I really am glad he won the title, it fits him better than it would my favorite. I will say, though, that I think Kris benefitted from the polarizing aspects of both Adam and Danny on the show. Who can help but just to love Kris??

Well, if you only read Adam fansites, of course that’s what you’re going to see. But here at MJ’s, and at sites like ontd_ai, almost all Adam fans realize that Kris had more fans.

How can you tell on any non-fansites who has more fans? You truly can only tell if you can see numbers, and MJ’s doesn’t tally who is a fan of whom.

Wow, can’t believe the # number of posts in this thread. Haven’t read headlines let alone the comments but this:

perception by some Adam is not singing from the heart. I found that the visual aspect of his performance can distract you from the soulfulness of his performances.

I agree. As someone said before his voice sounds thin sometimes, which can be a turn off. Guess it is the theatrical thing? But his studio version of Play That Funky Music White Boy erases all doubt that he has soul. It’s absolutely perfect. No wonder Bootsie follows him. The great thing about Adam is that he has a powerful rock voice combined with a soul/r&b/funk undercurrent, as well as the whole pop/electronica bent. I can’t wait to hear what his album will sound like!

I love Danny’s voice and see him in the soul/rock/blues vein. But since he’s going country, then he should do OK if it’s country rock or soulful country. And may I add he’s a mighty fine looking man too.

Kris is just, yum. I guess I am the most impressed with him as the tour has progressed. I think his album will be good. This is kind of cheesy but I love and thank him for introducing me to Rob Thomas’ Bright Lights.

Matt ‘ ¦ love that he’s self-taught. A great musician and singer. Hope he gets a deal. But a big NO to the Fray stuff. It just doesn’t suit him, imo.

This article ( and one from USA Today), are stating that Adam is the reason for the tour doing well. I wonder how they are coming to this conclusion. There must be some serious market research going on regarding all the idols to determine their marketablility. IDK, are they going by polls?

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Adam-Lambert-Sells-Most-Tickets-for-Idol-Live-Concerts-119305.shtml

The few times he hasn’t ‘” like with Mad World ‘” I liked him much more

It’s fine to be only a fan of Adam’s lower-key performances like Mad World, but it seems like sometimes (relative) simplicity is correlated with connection, which I don’t agree with, and I think that’s where a lot of the disagreement about Adam comes from. To me, Adam’s range is like Kris’s instruments. Kris didn’t use his instruments just because he knew that people liked them and instruments were what he was known for–he used instruments because that’s what felt natural to him, that’s what he feels serves that particular song the most, that’s what comes from his heart.

Similarly, Adam’s voice is his instrument, and his range is part of that. So, when he goes lower-key, that’s what feels right to him for that song. And when he uses his range, he’s not just using it because he knows people like it–he’s using it because that what feels natural to him, that’s what he feels serves that particular song the most, that’s what comes from his heart.

That’s why many people found “rangier” performances like WLL, ACIGC, just as emotionally powerful and involving as the quieter ones, because with those songs, he used his voice and his range to enhance the meaning of the song and because that was what felt right to him. Even something like the note at the end of Feeling Good–that song is about joy and rapture, and that note was strange and startling and pure vocal exaltation, and it completely made the song. And then you have a performance like ACIGC, which I think was the most emotionally intense performance of the season–it felt like he was throwing his soul on the floor (I remember that after that performance Slezak started dreaming of a Fantasia/Adam duet, and that’s what it felt like–one of those gospel, diva-style performances where everything is ripped out of the singer). But that performance style is obviously a lot less universally pleasing to people’s ears, so it makes sense that people would be more divided about it.

Kris has talked about putting more glory notes in songs than he would naturally be inclined to do because it was something that judges and viewers liked, and I’m sure Adam did the same, but they made it work most of the time because for them, whether they were using their instruments or not, putting high notes in or not, it was all about the music (and I think that’s why they did so well).

As for expectations: Who knows. Adam has hype, Kris won, and both set really high standards for themselves on the show. I love them both, so hopefully both will do well enough to make second albums–that’s all I really want, and anything else is just a great bonus.

Sunn…

I totally agree with you about Danny. I have disliked the man intensely since the first moment he opened his mouth and started talking about his recently deceased wife during the auditions. I was just totally flabbergasted that anyone would go on a TV reality show and “use” his wife to gain sympathy and attention. Even if he did it without malice it was just dumb, stupid, and insulting to those of us who, also, were dealing with the untimely death of a loved one. And, even in that sound bite the self-centered soul of Danny was clearly visible.

And to this day he continues to use his wife, his foundation, his “good deeds” etc. to put himself out there as a “savior” among men….and I positively hate that personality trait. It’s always how wonderful am I for doing this, what a great example I am for mankind, and his contention, spoken or unspoken, that he is using music and his new found celebritism just to put focus on his many and all consuming charitable activities.

I don’t wish the man any ill will, I just want him to stop throwing his “glorious goodness” in my face. The man knows no humility.

Sorry, I don’t agree with this at all. Adam didn’t win American Idol. Kris got the most votes and presumably the most voters. Why should Adam’s expectations be higher than Kris’s?? Because his efforts at the concert have garnered him great reviews?? No, I don’t buy that. Once again, it seems like Adam gets punished for doing well. Instead of the judges pimping him, now it’s reviewers across America?? So, he loses the AI title, but still is expected to exceed the winner’s numbers or he’ll be deemed a failure. Wow, Kris is the luckiest guy in the world. He gets the title plus lowered expectations, how can he lose?

Adam gets punished? I don’t see high expectations as a punishement, it’s just the logical consequence of the hype and positive things he has going for him.

I am not a Kris fan, I am a big Adam fan and I don’t think reviewers are “pimping” him at all (no such thing in the real world), but they are overwhelmingly positive, so all this has to count for positive press for all his next projects. If you know the voting system, you should know also that more votes doesn’t mean more fans.

I don’t get why people should be concerned about there favorite being considered a “failure”, for instance Ruben and Taylor are both considered “failures” in the AI world but they still make a great living doing what they love the most. If Adam doesn’t go all Daughtry or Clay on us (which IMHO is likely) he will still make a great living doing shows anywhere he wants to. That’s one hundred times better than what he did before.

Thanks everyone for all of the Cook goodies from last night. Sounds like it was another epic concert.The pranks were hilarious. From the poker playing to the chipmunking of the GRO lead singer’s mic, to Cook dancing in a green lycra suit, I can’t stop laughing. As for the Pork n’Beans episode with Cook interviewing the stage chicken Parm….no words! It’s hard to get bored following this guy. I’m glad to see that he can keep things fresh after 100 concerts and that he is continuing to sell out or at least come close to it.
Here’s a more extended clip of the Poker playing, where the lead singer of GRO decides that they all need to remove their shirts to display their love for Cook and the EEB. LOL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZPNbFkVsfU
As for the green man debate, I’m not sure if this is settled, but that has to be Cook. What cracks me up is that as much as he protests, he actually can dance a little but you only get to see it when he’s goofing around.

@Valentin High expectations aren’t a punishment, but they’re a double edged sword.

I did not really have a favorite when I started watching Season 8 AI, the intense hate on Danny on the internet caught my attention. I always take the approach that AI is just a realty show and what we saw on TV could very much be manipulated by the show producers, so when haters concluded Danny was exploiting his dead wife story to gain votes I was scratching my head as it did not come across that way to me at all. I did read other blogs, went to Danny’s fan sites, gathered as much info on him as possible, including commentaries from music critics, other contestants comments on Danny, third party accounts of their encounters with Danny, videos of him interacting with fans etc, and I find that the more I read, see and know about this guy, the more I love him.

I would agree with some Danny supporters saying that Danny like Adam seem to generate intense emotional responses, be it positive or negative and that’s actually what most successful artists in the music industry are like.

I think somewhere down the road some haters would start realizing Danny was one of the most misunderstood idols in AI history, I understand some may never like him, but some will definitely warm up to him and might even feel it was kinda of silly to hate him that much during AI8 season.

Adam gets punished? I don’t see high expectations as a punishement, it’s just the logical consequence of the hype and positive things he has going for him.

Yeah, punishment was the wrong word. I just couldn’t think of a better one. I like Sherena’s explanation, so insert her words into my post and the gist comes through a bit better.

This article ( and one from USA Today), are stating that Adam is the reason for the tour doing well. I wonder how they are coming to this conclusion. There must be some serious market research going on regarding all the idols to determine their marketablility. IDK, are they going by polls?

There are no polls or market research being done. (Except by some fans at the barricades. :wink_wp: )

Edited above after I thought better of it.

They are taking the numbers from Billboard’s article (which did not mention Adam’s name) and combining it with Rushfield’s quote about Adam’s fan base in the USA Today article and presenting that as fact.

I have never heard of softpedia before.

Here’s a sample the genres where Adam is currently classified:

Q3
Genre: Out-of-the-Box, with a theatrical edge

Q3 love your classification and that you included yourself with AOL music, Itunes, and Wiki :happy_tb:: I agree with you only adding Experimental Rock to the description. which is describe as: a type of music based on rock which experiments with the basic elements of the genre, and/or which pushes the boundaries of common composition and performance technique. Performers may also attempt to individualize their music with unconventional time signatures, instrumental tunings, compositional styles, lyrical techniques, elements of other musical genres, singing styles, instrumental effects or custom-made experimental musical instruments. Sounds like Adam and basically how he describes his upcoming album to me. I think this description should deflate all the ,is he rock or not debate but I am sure it won’t.

>They are taking the numbers from Billboard’s article (which did not mention Adam’s name) >and combining it with Rushfield’s quote about Adam’s fan base in the USA Today article >and presenting that as fact.

Hmm, I wonder if there were any articles about Blake Lewis being responsible for tour revenue two years ago when he was getting more screams than Jordin? Somehow I doubt it. The media has totally stacked the deck and if the sales are unfavorable in Adam’s direction (or somehow less than expected: let’s say he opens below 150K or Kris does manage to outsell him) if they’ll even report it. I saw USA Today’s Idol blog in particular spin several positive numbers for Cook the wrong way last year even though he was selling decently and outperforming the runner-up.

Here’s a more extended clip of the Poker playing, where the lead singer of GRO decides that they all need to remove their shirts to display their love for Cook and the EEB.

I love the look on David’s face when the lead singer of GRO stops and says they “aren’t comfortable”. He actually looks a bit concerned – a little “oh, sh–, have we gone too far”? And then he completely cracks up when they take off their shirts.

chipmunking of the GRO lead singer’s mic

Here’s another tubey of the Green Man, which really emphasizes the chipmunk voice. Cracks me up.

I hope his next opener is this much fun. I really like these kids.

And that boy lies; he can dance.

I’ve seen some posts in the last few days regarding Adam’s rankings on http://forums.nutsie.com/viewforum.php?f=53:, particularly 100 Most Technically Skilled Rock Vocalists and Best Live Rock Vocal Performances. These people are apparently rating on things like Breath support, register switching, register blending, pitch, vocal runs, consistency throughout registers, volume control, vibrato control, sustain, diction, projection, Resonance, Range, and Versatility.

I may have missed it somewhere, but I haven’t seen much discussion of these rankings, and I thought they were pretty amazing, given the criteria. If these have already been discussed, can someone point me to the thread, or if not, what do you think about it? :smile_wp:

‘American Idol’ Tells Posh To Lighten Up

I know she’s a wonderful mother – and she’s probably a fabulous wife but has Victoria EVER been light? Have you ever seen her laugh, smile or exude warmth (in public the last 10 years – if ever)?

To my surprise I found Posh to be actually very warm and engaging with Jay Leno on The Tonight Show a few months ago. She laughed a few times and seemed as confounded as everyone else as to why she always looks so wooden and icy in pictures. (smiling a bit might help, heh) Anyway, she’s just a famous person who happens to love AI, has ‘been there and done that’ so to speak and should be a fun guest judge.

The genre pop/rock/dance with an electronic touch might seem like a nightmare but that really is the most popular music right now. If you listen to some of the bands he is covering and stuff he listens too, I don’t think he is such an enigma.

Yeah, and I don’t think it is that weird. Sometimes I wonder if I am not immersed in the mainstream enough, or my tastes skew too British or young urban-dweller or something. I’ve always thought versatility was a plus, not a negative, and was actually better when it comes to longetivity in the music world.

On the heartfelt thing, Danny leaves me cold, Kris can go either way, but Adam hits me. “A Change is Gonna Come” really moved me, and when it’s Adam fun-time I am swept into it. This one is really subjective though, so I don’t know how it can be declared “X is more sincere/heartfelt than Y” especially since we don’t know what personal place they are coming from. The repetition of this for Adam is probably the musical theatre bias/Kara memeism. Not to say that everyone should be moved by him, or that some who aren’t are just affected by it, but I do think it is part of the reason why it is brought up more in regards to Adam over others.

I really don’t think that 90% of them will just go along with everything he does.

But remember, we are only really talking about his Idol fanbase anyway, so if he puts something out with mass market appeal he can make up the difference.

No, I am with you — I think Adam will lose some of his Idol fanbase (not necessarily just people who like the “classic rock” side either, which is really a Randy Jackson memeism because he implied Adam should do a classic rock album, even though most of Adam’s Idol repetoire was not really classic rock, and he always admitted to leaning more glam). However, I think he has a lot more potential to make it up if he does go in the direction he mentions because that would be more appealing than just straight classic rock which, honestly, is denoted “classic” for a reason. The only modern act that I can think of who have been able to capture that sound for today is Wolfmother, and they aren’t all that popular.

However, I do think it is hard to judge how a fanbase will react to an album, especially the more non-hardcores.

Well I don’t worry about Adam’s stuff sounding like the studio version of BtBW, though I do think the studio version sucked. No offense to people who liked it. I’m just not one of them, but I put that on the shoulders of the team the AI team. These are the same people who bandzilla’d most of the contestants into non-recognition, most of the time.

Yup. And the electronic production is rather poor. My sister did better electro-sounding music on her computer when she was 14 and bored. I think the sort of style is something that it is indicative, but not the quality.

I don’t know why Kris fans always say they are laid back like he is. So Adam fans are just like him?

That statement always sounds silly to me.

I can see the ‘not singing from the heart’  observation. From Idol and the few times I’ve seen Adam perform since, he has a tendency to use his full vocal prowess ‘” knowing that that is what distinguishes him ‘” without regard to whether it’s what the performance or song calls for. In other words, one might say, he sings from his head and not his heart.

I think of him using the tools he has to express himself to the full extent that he feels them. It’s like saying that a visual artist shouldn’t use all of their tools because it’s not as authentic(read: heartfelt) as folk art. It’s just different ways of expressing that heart.

Personally, I love when he goes all out. I get swept up in the performance so much. I soar with with him when he hits those crazy notes. While I like his quieter stuff, too, I listen more often to the wilder stuff.

I thought that this quote from Neil Lambert’s blog relevant:

It’s funny: when we were kids, Adam annoyed the hell out of me when he sang along to songs on the radio. A song will play and he’ll sing along, oftentimes wildly improvising on what the artist recorded. I guess I always thought of it as a way to show off or compete with the singer to prove he is better than whoever is on the recording. He usually is. But in his apartment, I realize that Adam does this whether anyone is watching or not. Improvising helps him decide how he will sing it when someone is watching. Now I listen to him wail and I smile instead of cringe. I see in that private space the same side of him that I see in myself when I put on my favorite tracks and pluck out some notes along to it on my keyboard, alone in my room. It is for no one’s sake but my own.

No, I am with you ‘” I think Adam will lose some of his Idol fanbase (not necessarily just people who like the ‘classic rock’  side either,

True dat. But for clarification’s sake, I don’t really mean he needs to put out a classic rock album to keep his fans, just that he needs to do something rock sounding and clearly 70s/80s glam-ish influenced stuff or he risks alienating a chunk of his idol fans. Muse-y is good, Gaga or say Cobra Starship (another electronic/dance/rock act with catchy hooks and a sex edge) might catch people off guard.

However, I do think it is hard to judge how a fanbase will react to an album, especially the more non-hardcores.

True!!!!! Fair enough. It’s just fun to speculate :thumbup_tb: