Idol Headlines for 07/27/11 – The Evening Edition

Help Season 8 Idol, Megan Joy Kickstart her upcoming EP.  Megan is hoping to raise $15,000 in order to produce a 7 song EP. You can donate to her next project by clicking on THIS LINK.

Jennifer Hudson will perform at the upcoming President Barak Obama Birthday Party/Fundraiser at the  The Aragon Ballroom in Chicago IL on August 3 at 4 pm.  More information HERE.

‘American Idol’s’ Jennifer Lopez Expected to Close Deal This Week

Jennifer Lopez is expected to sign a deal this week to return to the judges’ table on Fox’s American Idol, a high-ranking source close to the reality hit told The Hollywood Reporter.

Read more at the Hollywood Reporter

Nigel Lythgoe tweets, “Gorgeous #LadyGaGa is going to be a very good judge on tonight’s #SYTYCD”

Cody Dee Wilson tweeted this photo

VIDEO: ‘American Idol’ finalist Paul McDonald discusses Auburn University, Nikki Reed and more

The “Idol” tour organizers were kind enough to let me interview three finalists — Paul McDonald, Lauren Alaina and James Durbin — hours before the July 26 concert in Atlanta. Here’s the first video interview of the batch. (Paul McDonald)

James Durbin continues to bitch about the tour! He’s pissed Idol won’t pay to have his family with him on the road.

See the videos at the Ledger-Enquirer

Peter Cooper: ‘American Idol,’ Nashville artists

The Great Depression, Elvis Presley, polyester leisure suits, synthesizers, “Achy Breaky Heart,” Auto-Tune, songs about sippy cups, Shania Twain’s navel, Chris Gaines’ soul patch, the Internet, Jessica Simpson’s navel, Jessica Simpson’s Nashville album, the great depression caused by hearing Jessica Simpson’s Nashville album…

Add American Idol to the long list of things that didn’t kill country music.

Five years ago, as Idol winner Carrie Underwood ascended into the superstar stratosphere, the panicked word was that Music Row labels would no longer bother to sign singers who hadn’t won, or even lost, some kind of television competition.

Read more at Tennessean.com

‘Extra’ Raw! Behind-the-Scenes with Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood

Read more at Extra TV

Robots? An Evil Scientist? Darren Criss Dishes on His Glee Theories

Criss confesses to us he’s totally creeped out by Blaine’s school, Dalton Academy.

“There are no teachers there. I’ve never seen a single adult,” he says incredulously. “Blaine is some autonomous leader. Blaine could be an evil psychotic mastermind. Like an evil scientist that builds robotic boys.”

Wouldn’t that be the Best. Glee episode. Ever?

But robots aside, Glee fans can also expect more standard storylines next season, like meeting Mr. Anderson! “If they do write anything, I would love to meet Blaine’s father,” Criss dishes. “I think Blaine comes from quite a bit of turmoil in his past. He definitely has daddy issues.”

Read more at Eonline

What’s Happening on Glee? No One Knows. Seriously.

“Essentially we thought in the pilot that Kurt was the only freshman and the rest of us were sophomores. So this year was junior and then this [upcoming season] would be senior [year],” actress Jenna Ushkowitz said after the Comic-Con panel. “They got away with that, [but] Cory was technically a senior last year, so you know…It’s ‘Glee.’”

It’s Glee. It’s becoming an excuse all of its own.

And with the TCA’s coming up, it’s putting the already strained cast in an utterly impossible situation: How exactly are they supposed to talk to reporters and other media when they don’t have anything to say?

Read more at EOnline

  • aidancash1

    LOL I thought Megan Joy had a record deal coming down the pike.

  • McCreerian

    Cody Dee Wilson tweeted this photo

    Lol Stefano looks like he would rather be at a million other places in that photo.

  • LexieN

    From what I understand (given that I am not an expert), the author of the article in The Tennessean is a very well-known country music writer. A few weeks, a month? ago, he wrote an article that sent shock waves through the industry. So, his well wishes and good words for Scotty are fantastic…

    Thanks for posting!

  • harvestmoon

    I LOL’d at the Battle of the Blond vs. Brunette Farrah Fawcett hairstyles in the back row of that photo.

  • ozarko

    Hey, both Archie and Kris have a shirt just like Paisley’s but in white. LOL…

    http://archuletafanscene.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/kris-allen-and-david-21.jpg

  • Dera

    Thanks MJ for the post about Megan Joy’s EP project donation. I leave the link again for those AI Season 8 lovers to support her. She sounds fabulous on her video. Kris Allen and Allison Iraheta tweeted to their followers to support Megan.

    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2134417360/megan-joy-ep

  • SajiNoKami

    Cody Dee Wilson tweeted this photo

    a few of them need to put on better game faces
    Casey wins!
    Then Paul, but he just seems to be really photogenic.
    Haley and Lauren are tied in third.
    Pia maybe 4th

  • girlygirl

    Chris_Daughtry

    #Drums for album 3 are complete!!! Robin did an OUTSTANDING job! Very proud and happy to have him http://twitpic.com/5ww3b0
    19 minutes ago

  • tripp_ncwy

    AllAccess: Erik Olesen Leaving Island Def Jam Music Group http://t.co/u9rowIQ

    ETA: I wonder if he will be joining LA Reid at Epic.

  • ituneit

    I went and watched Megan’s video. I really like that song she is singing in it. That’s something I would buy. I wonder if that’s an original or a cover.

  • Pixie Baker

    I hope the President feels like celebrating on his birthday….it has been a painful couple of weeks!!!! Jennifer Hudson will be a great treat at his bash………she looks and sounds amazing lately….ummm except for her singing in the Weight Watchers’s commercial…..I used to love that song!

  • steph6449

    Good for Megan. Love her original songs, hope she does well and gets that EP out there :)

  • Ratna12

    Hey, both Archie and Kris have a shirt just like Paisley’s but in white. LOL…

    http://archuletafanscene.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/kris-allen-and-david-21.jpg

    Thanks for the pic. I’ve never seen that picture of Kris before.

  • sr4mjc

    James Durbin continues to bitch about the tour! He’s pissed Idol won’t pay to have his family with him on the road.

    I think we found the complainer, lol. Oh just be quiet James and sing your two songs and make the most of it. Remember, it’s not so karaoke if you switch things up and make them your own. A lot of people would love to be in your shoes on this tour.

  • Fenway

    Cute picture of David A. What a happy face.

    http://yfrog.com/kih4aerj

  • smeggingnuts

    James Durbin continues to bitch about the tour!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_mK0nrrsbI

  • tripp_ncwy

    So, James is going to have an album out by Thanksgiving?????? How is he going to do that without a label.

  • dishwalla

    James Durbin continues to bitch about the tour! He’s pissed Idol won’t pay to have his family with him on the road.

    He might as well as enjoy every moment of this tour. I doubt he will ever see arena size crowds after this. And he is not the first Idol to leave loved ones to do the summer tour. I don’t think it’s Idol’s place to babysit.

  • CindyM

    tripp_ncwy says:
    07/27/2011 at 10:46 pm

    So, James is going to have an album out by Thanksgiving?????? How is he going to do that without a label.

    Maybe he’s going to put it out himself like Anoop and others have done.

  • halo9125

    Dear James-
    Guess what? You’re not the only Idol on the tour with a family. Naima has 2 kids- you don’t hear her bitching. Pia tweets that she misses her mommy and daddy. I’m sure Haley, Stefano and Casey are lonely too. Hell, I’m sure they all are. But you don’t hear any of them biting the hand that feeds them by complaining that the tour is making so much money that they should foot the bill for your family.

    I highly suggest you savor every moment of this tour, and every penny you’re earning, because with that attitude, you’ve got a tough road ahead of you.

  • wonderings

    So, James is going to have an album out by Thanksgiving?????? How is he going to do that without a label.

    Ah, I was just listening to that myself. “Capsize” that momentum, James! I feel a bit bad for him; seems like he had high hopes of being signed by the AI folks and now he’s having to make it work as best he can. At least he has good contacts and knows that it’s good to strike while the iron is hot.

    Idol tour = like being away on a cattle run – with technology! ;)

  • soverymel

    So, James is going to have an album out by Thanksgiving?????? How is he going to do that without a label.

    He did say that next week he was going to start listening to songs that people have written for him, so maybe he does have a label and things are happening but it just hasn’t been announced yet?

  • Kitwana

    Dera says:
    07/27/2011 at 7:49 pm
    Thanks MJ for the post about Megan Joy’s EP project donation. I leave the link again for those AI Season 8 lovers to support her. She sounds fabulous on her video. Kris Allen and Allison Iraheta tweeted to their followers to support Megan.

    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2134417360/megan-joy-ep

    Hopefully Anoop will retweet this to his supporters. I think he did something similar to fund his latest project. With the small amounts she is asking for she will need lots of contributors. Hopefully Adam will retweet this after he retweets Carly’s request for the $3000.

  • Milly21

    oh boo hoo hoo, James needs to just stop. why should he get preferential treatment and have the show pay for his girlfriend and baby to tour with them? James is hardly the first contestant with a family who’s touring on this tour. if he cant handle this what in god’s name makes him think he’s gonna make it in the real world? also i echo the poster above’s sentiments. how is he gonna release an album without a record deal? also does he expect his family to travel with him everywhere he goes if he does get a record deal? thats not how the real world works buddy. i think james needs a lot of growing up and maturing to do. i dont think he has what it takes to be able to handle a career that can literally wind up killing people due to all of the pressure, media and outside influences. the entertainment business is hardly fair, the entertainment business is brutal.

  • sr4mjc

    Lyndsey Parker is going to The Voice concert tonight.

  • 50diamonds

    “James is hardly the first contestant with a family who’s touring on this tour. if he cant handle this what in god’s name makes him think he’s gonna make it in the real world?”

    Should he have said that to a reporter – no. Is it a big deal that he misses his family and wishes Idol would pay for them to visit him? No. He’s just letting off a little steam. He said himself it is what he has to do to make a better life for his family.

  • JRZGRL1

    MJ, you’re a moron. I’m frankly amazed that Lady Gaga would stand next to you. Have you ever missed an opportunity to character assassinate James Durbin? Rhetorical question: the answer to that would be “no”.

  • Kirsten

    But you don’t hear any of them biting the hand that feeds them by complaining that the tour is making so much money that they should foot the bill for your family.

    They might not be complaining, but I am.

    It’s ridiculous that they scaled back the pay to $1K per show per idol (just $11K), when in previous years it would have been a more rich sliding scale (going by the statements from various Idols about $33K for 10 Idols – 10th place getting about 2K and the winner getting about $5K). Considering that most tours are designed to break even at around 60% of ticket sales and this one is averaging 97% not counting merchandise and sponsor money and what not, this paucity is galling.

    JLo is going to get $35M and James who helped to make the show a massive success is going to get $47K (47 concerts, right?). In past years, he would likely have made three to four times as much and could probably have afforded to have his family come out for a few stops.

    No, he shouldn’t be b!tching to the press and yes, everybody is in the same boat, but man, Idol PTB are being uber-cheap this year while going home to jump into their swimming pools of money.

    Yes, this is capitalism, but I must frown at this. Sometimes consumers must frown in order to get the people who hold all the cards to behave. Yes $47K is a lot of money, but share the freakin’ wealth a little. That’s less than 3 seconds of ad money the show gets.

    The tour has made over $6M ticket sales already and paid out $154K to the Idols. Sure, they signed up for it, but they weren’t exactly in a position to negotiate back then.

  • Lilzie

    50D so true! Naima said she missed her little ones but no one bats an eye. James made a statement of fact: he misses his family and it would be nice if they could visit or spend some time with them. I notice that Nikki and Mark seem to be tagging along and I got the impression that they are travelling in the busses (could be wrong on this, just an impression). We all know that AI is making money off these kids hand over fist yet they have significantly reduced the pay for the tour without reducing expectations or hours. While I sometimes think James would be better off not saying what he thinks, for me personally, his honesty is refreshing. The perception may be that he’s biting the hand but I would be surprised if they all didn’t feel the same way …

  • soverymel

    Does the Idol tour make so much bank that they could totally afford to pile all the Idol contestants families and heck even some aunts, uncles and cousins on additional buses for the whole tour, and still clear a profit? Sure. But that is unfortunately not how business works.

    Some of the day to day realities of the Idol tour are the first real life lesson for newly minted Idols in how the music industry works. It’s often a lot of hard work and sacrifice with a risk of not always getting a big financial reward. I just think James is taking the wrong lesson from this, being all why is this happening to me this is so unfair rather than okay this is sobering this will be what life on the road might be like for me in the future. Well, unless he plans for his wife/baby to tour with him, which hardly seems practical.

  • Elliegrll

    I highly suggest you savor every moment of this tour, and every penny you’re earning, because with that attitude, you’ve got a tough road ahead of you.

    Every time that he opens his mouth he lends credibility to the rumor that any offer that he had from Interscope fell through because of his attitude.

  • Lilzie

    Every time that he opens his mouth he lends credibility to the rumor that any offer that he had from Interscope fell through because of his attitude.

    I found absolutely nothing wrong with his attitude post elimination. He was always complimentary about everyone, including Jimmy. He has been more vocal about the machine in the last week or two so perhaps an impasse with TPTB is the cause of his “attitude” rather than the attitude being the cause of any impasse.

  • Susan

    I think James just says what many others are also thinking (as Kirsten proved) but their “filters” keep them from saying it.

    Why focus on this one aspect of the interview though? What about the things he talked about the other 90% of the time?

    And god that interviewer was annoying the crap out of me…

  • Elliegrll

    19 should be paying them more than $1,000 per show, but even if they did that, it’s still the responsibility of the contestants to pay for their families to travel to and from their concerts.

  • Niall

    Newsflash James: nobody is going to pay for your family to travel with you once you are on your own either.

    The tour has NEVER paid for families to come on tour. Even back before they cut costs and pay, that wasn’t a perk. Only the minors get somebody with them. It’s the same when the contestants are on the show: if family wants to come to see them perform on a particular week, they’ve got to pay for it themselves. Do I understand that he misses his family? Sure, but post-idol touring won’t be any different. 19 and AI are cheap bastards but those cheap bastards have stayed consistent for years.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Lyndsey Parker is going to The Voice concert tonight.

    She is tweeting from the show.
    #George Michael medley #voiceconcert http://lockerz.com/s/124291681

    #Ladies & gentlemen, the top 8 #voiceconcert http://lockerz.com/s/124291972

  • wonderings

    No, he shouldn’t be b!tching to the press and yes, everybody is in the same boat, but man, Idol PTB are being uber-cheap this year while going home to jump into their swimming pools of money.

    Sucks that the S9 tour killed the kids tour monies this year. I wouldn’t expect the tour to pay for family to come along (save where legally mandated), but is it totally unrealistic to think the S10-ers and crew might get a bonus for inspiring such good attendance and profits this year?

  • Indigobunting

    OT, but cute pic of Danny and Taylor Swift :)

    http://www.dannygokey.com/official-photos/4910

    I’m shocked she isn’t way taller than him, lol, esp. with her heels on.

  • Elliegrll

    but is it totally unrealistic to think the S10-ers and crew might get a bonus for inspiring such good attendance and profits this year?

    I’m going to say yes. 19 is now owned by an equity firm, instead of one individual, and that firm could care less about the contestants.

  • Grammie Kari

    It seems that Jennifer Hudson is a favorite of President Barack Obama. How fortunate that she has had these opportunities!

    James is expressing unfiltered thought. He says what he feels. It isn’t that important to me. What is important is that past Idols made $100,000 plus on the tour. Why is Idol being so cheap?

  • Lilzie

    19 and AI are cheap bastards but those cheap bastards have stayed consistent for years.

    And cheaper than ever this year. Minimum scale payments for televised shows and now significantly scaled back tour pay. If they were paid as per previous years, there would be less cause to complain … In the end, while keeping quiet might be perceived to be the politically correct thing to do, it is those folks that have the wherewithal to speak up that are more likely to inspire change. You go James!

    EDIT: according to the latest stats (see IDOL Tour thread) average concert revenue $432K per concert average Total Idol pay $11K. Nice job AI!

  • Milly21

    50diamonds says:
    07/27/2011 at 11:12 pm
    “James is hardly the first contestant with a family who’s touring on this tour. if he cant handle this what in god’s name makes him think he’s gonna make it in the real world?”

    Should he have said that to a reporter – no. Is it a big deal that he misses his family and wishes Idol would pay for them to visit him? No. He’s just letting off a little steam. He said himself it is what he has to do to make a better life for his family.

    oh believe me, i wouldnt want to play mommy to a man my age. do i think these contestants should be paid more like in previous years? absolutely. but do i think the show should pay for his family to travel with him? absolutely not. and i’m just wondering how he’s going to cope when he’s traveling all by himself with just some crew members, and not 10 other contestants who are going through the same things he is. it’s gonna be 10xs more lonely.

  • wonderings

    I know all the focus for good or ill is on James’ interview, but I’m going to be looking for Paul’s in the future. He is so damn pleasant and engaging. He’s got a way about him; he’s great at relating to the interviewer. Straightforward and honest (like James, there are complaints about singing the same covers over the course of the tour and how it’s not the most creative of endeavors) and realistic…but without being whiny.

  • steph6449

    Cute pic of Danny and Taylor Swift

    Aww. There were some cute pics of Taylor with Danny’s music director Brandon and his wife Jamie from the weekend too. Jamie is the one who sings backup for both Carrie and Danny.

    I’m shocked she isn’t way taller than him, lol, esp. with her heels on.

    Heh. That crossed my mind also :)

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    MJ, you’re a moron. I’m frankly amazed that Lady Gaga would stand next to you. Have you ever missed an opportunity to character assassinate James Durbin? Rhetorical question: the answer to that would be “no”.

    LOL. I’m being called a moron because I dissed some Idol contestant who probably wouldn’t give you a second look if he passed you in the street.

    I hope that you defend the people who are actually in your life–your real life friends and family–this vigorously when somebody disses them.

  • McCreerian

    People still believe they only get 1000 dollars per show? There is likely more to that contract than meets the eye.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Naima said she missed her little ones but no one bats an eye.

    But did she criticize 19 for not paying for her family to tag along? No she did not.

    Lots of contestants over the years have talked about missing their families on the road, but I’ve never heard any of them bitch out 19 for not paying to have their husbands and kids along for the ride.

    ETA:

    People still believe they only get 1000 dollars per show? There is likely more to that contract than meets the eye.

    I agree.

  • Grammie Kari

    I must have missed something… MJ, did you stand next to Lady Gaga? In this photo, she and Nigel are about the same height, but she towered over him on the show. Are you a shortie? LOL!

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    Don’t lecture whine or tell people off. Deleting and editing posts posts now.

    I must have missed something… MJ, did you stand next to Lady Gaga?

    LMAO of course not.

  • Valentin432

    What annoys me about the 1 tousand $ figure being tossed around on every idol blog/forum is it all seems to come back to that TMZ report.

    I wonder why no one else has tried to get the numbers since they should be available at least for Thia, Lauren and Scotty.
    There are tons of people covering AI for a number of outlets and not one can find out about this thing that (relatively) matters.
    Maybee it’s easier to just go back to the bottomless well of rankings, polls, etc.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    I don’t have any idea how much they make this year on tour. TMZ may be right or wrong, but they are in Idol’s pocket so why would they make Idol seem cheap if it didn’t have some merit?

    Durbin has no filter, so I don’t mind that he said what was probably on all of their minds. ;-p

    I enjoyed the interviews, but man, was that woman gushing. And that Roketman question to Paul was about the stupidest question in the world.

  • Lilzie

    Here is a copy of the contract that all the Idols are working under this season:

    http://images.eonline.com/static/news/pdf/AIContract2.pdf

    Fun 39 pages of reading. You will note that numbers quoted here correspond to what was reported for Scotty and Lauren when they signed, so I am inclined to believe it is authentic. The tour rate quoted is in fact $1K per show plus a percentge of merchandise and not much else.

  • Kirsten

    What annoys about the 1 tousand $ being tossed around on every idol blog/forum is it all seems to come back to that TMZ report.

    Shhh….I’m hoping if I can start a fan rebellion that somebody will dig out the numbers or Nigel will call me a moron and post the numbers.

    I initially scoffed at the $1K and then I saw the other contracts and I wasn’t sure I should have scoffed. TMZ is the only source on record and they probably have seen the contract (isn’t the guy that runs it a lawyer? He should have been able to read it). Still, they can and do shade the truth.

    It’s not that I feel entitled to know how much they make, it’s just that I feel bad if they are being taken advantage of. I went to the concert so I’m feeling like I contributed to taking advantage of them. If I paid $10 for my ticket in a small venue, then I would expect them to be paid peanuts. But they are not charging $10 and they are not playing in a bar.

  • Susan

    Even the 80′s hair band cover band that my brother roadies for (playing in bars) gets paid over $2000 per show…

  • Kirsten

    The tour rate quoted is in fact $1K per show plus a percentge of merchandise and not much else.

    Which page? My eyes glazed over. I did see the $1K per iTunes song during the show on page 18.

  • McCreerian

    JDurbinAI10 James Durbin
    @
    @kimozilla in the long run, Yes! But by now I’m just sick of singing karaoke. It’s like if you had to wrestle someone else’s match everynite
    15 hours ago

    JDurbinAI10 James Durbin
    @kimozilla And you had to do it for 3 months without getting to see your family at all! That’s the con. The pros speak for themselves!
    15 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    JDurbinAI10 James Durbin
    @kimozilla shootin for the end of the tour..hopefully have something finished and ready to release not pong afterwards
    15 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    James tweeter all that and I saw it on vftw.

    Durbin has no filter, so I don’t mind that he said what was probably on all of their minds. ;-p

    I would hope the rest are all grateful for the opportunity and that most of them are realizing that this could be the biggest crowds they will play for again…they need to be grateful. James also should realize these may be the biggest crowds he will ever see. James seems like a great guy, but needs to stop biting the hand that feeds him.

  • Lilzie

    LOL I haven’t memorized it Kirsten but it is nearer the end. I think it’s probably a document best read after sleep although before sleep might be sleep inducing were it not so infuriating. Makes you wonder why anyone would want to sign it: irrevocable by the contestant for up to 7 yeaars at the annual renewal option of TPTB. No wonder Kelly was able to get out of it. Can you say very one sided?

  • Susan

    @McCreerian — the first tweet is in response to “I’m sure it’s got pros and cons… More pros than cons I hope” — to which James replies “in the long run, yes!

    Just thought I’d throw that out there for completeness. ;)

    The guy he’s talking to is some wrestler, is that what I’m getting? I only know who the pro wrestlers were in 1984.

  • Valentin432

    Here is a copy of the contract that all the Idols are working under this season:

    http://images.eonline.com/static/news/pdf/AIContract2.pdf

    Thanks for linking to this altough I’ve suffered a lot to read not even a quarter of it.

    I also didn’t see anything related to the tour and more than half of the contract is missing, including:
    17) Attendance at Publicity Sessions, Touring and Promotion.
    Which could be where they wrote it.

  • McCreerian

    Which page? My eyes glazed over. I did see the $1K per iTunes song during the show on page 18.

    I didn’t see it either, but I skimmed through it and just looked for numbers- still only saw the iTunes thing too.

  • Ringo
    The tour rate quoted is in fact $1K per show plus a percentge of merchandise and not much else.

    Which page? My eyes glazed over. I did see the $1K per iTunes song during the show on page 18.

    Sadly, the link is to only 1/2 of the contract. Missing is the AI Tour language at secton 18. $1,000 per seems low but don’t forget free lodging, transort, food at the concert and $50 on off days. I bet the merchandise percentage garners some cash too. Not sure about the podiatrist fees and Ace bandage costs for the girls though.

  • Lilzie

    Several of you have noted and are quite correct that pages have been dropped from the PDF … can’t find the full one atm. Like Kirsten, my eyes are glazed over. Sleep might be in order :P

  • indigoimrah

    Oh James, why must you put foot in the mouth in almost all the interviews? and he turns around as if to make sure no one from 19E is listening while he is talking how they are making all this money but would not give family support. James is so clueless of real life and this is a chance of a life time to promote himself to his fans and build his fan base. This is the best platform, free publicity to promote himself, at this rate he is going to loose his fan base.

  • Kirsten

    Sadly, the link is to only 1/2 of the contract. Missing is the AI Tour language at secton 18.

    Section 18 is to do with warranties. I guessed at the URL (2 instead of 3!) and here is the second half of the contract:

    http://images.eonline.com/static/news/pdf/AIContract3.pdf

    $1,000 per seems low but don’t forget free lodging, transort, food at the concert and $50 on off days.

    I travel a lot for business and I would forget those “free” things.

    Most people maintain their house (what are they supposed to do with all their stuff and it’s only a few months. A lot of packing to give up your place for such a short period of time. People like Scotty get free room anyway from their parents and people like James can’t throw their family out on the street so they must maintain a residence). Net result: free lodging means nothing

    Free transportation means even less. I would not need transport to Grand Prairie if I was not doing the tour. The transportation is for the benefit of the tour, not me (you might as well have mentioned that I get to listen to free music on the tour while I’m on stage singing). And, if I’m most people, I’m not selling my car while I’m gone on a short tour. So at most, I’m not putting gas in it.

    Free food at venue is worth something. I’d normally eat at home, but now I’m eating crappy food that will shorten my life. I remember poor Kat escaping to the bus to cook her own food because she got tired of all the grease. Anyway, I’m saving the cost of my portion of the family meal.

    The magical $50 per diem is again, to cover the cost of food the day I’m not being fed at the venue. Normally, I would not eat three meals a day in a restaurant at home, so most of it goes to the restaurant and is not a boon to me. Further, on those days off, I would rather be at home doing my own stuff, but instead I’m stuck somewhere I may not want to be. I do not get paid for these days where they are demanding me to be somewhere else than my house. So, basically, I get $10 to compensate me for not being with my family, dog, bookshelf, comfortable bed and favourite coffee mug.

    I’m not saying you can’t have fun on tour, but all of those things are not compensation.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    ^^^ So is the 1K per show confirmed in that document or not? I’d rather not go through it if I don’t have to.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Makes you wonder why anyone would want to sign it

    Because however unfair the contract seems, the Idols who make it to the show are always better off than before they auditioned? Idol offers the kind of exposure these kids would probably not get otherwise.

    At least James can buy diapers for his baby, right? That’s why I don’t get the bitching.

  • purplegirl

    Paul interviews quite well, his voice was never my thing but I like him personally. Ironically james’s voice is much more my thing but I just dont care for him. Business is politicans and music is a business, you have to play the game and he doenst and in fact probably cant. Hence these interviews. He has the opportunity of a lifetime and he’s blowing it with his bitching. They will make $50,000 this summer and you cant convince me any of them made that amount of money in a year.

    But more importantly, its a way to connect to thousands and thousands of fans so when you do sell your album ppl will buy it.

    Plus, you get to play rock star and perform for an arena full of ppl, learn the business.

    The value of what they are doing is priceless, even for those that will go home and maybe never do anything after this……an experience of a life time.

    THIS is what the tour is for them, and if James cant hack a few weeks away from the family then he better rethink his career cause he will be on the road performing a LOT, if the album does well, if not, then not. which does he want???

  • dana80

    Did he really expect for the TPTB to pay for his family? Also, what makes him special, Lil Rounds, Megan Joy, Michael Sarver, Crystal Bowersox, Michael Lynch (and others that I can’t remember at the moment) all had to spend time away from their family. And what is he expecting, that he will always be able to bring his family on his future tours?

  • larc

    Kirsten says:
    Section 18 is to do with warranties. I guessed at the URL (2 instead of 3!) and here is the second half of the contract:

    http://images.eonline.com/static/news/pdf/AIContract3.pdf

    Kirsten, this contract is the exclusive recording contract between 19 Recordings and the artist. Payments mentioned in it have to do with recordings and things related to them. I can’t find anything that specifically addresses the AI summer tour. Is 19 Recordings directly responsible for that or is American Idol?

  • Lilzie

    No argument with you logic MJ. were it not for the fact that AI is raking in the money while at the same time seeming to have drastically reduced tour fees, I would agree there’s no need for the bitching. I guess when you look at revenues of $432K per show compared to paying $11K to the former contestants, well fair is not a word that comes to mind. However, no one ever said life was fair, right?

    I think the other factor that got me was that the contract is irrevocable by the contestant but essentially not irrevocable by AI making it very lopsided IMO. Yes both sides benefit, but I’d argue not equitably. And yes, they know what they are getting into I’m just not sure it sinks in at the outset while the rose coloured glasses are on … the rigours of the daily grind take their toll. That said, there is no argument they are indeed better off than when they started.

    And with that, I bid you all a good night …

  • happyhexer

    I like Megan Joy’s music. She has surprised me with her songwriting ability. She knows what suits her voice. I expect her EP (if it gets made) will sound quirky, fresh, and different. I plan to contribute to her kickstarter campaign.

    Kudos to Steph6449 for turning me on to Megan Joy. Until Steph shared a link where I could listen to Megan’s music, I had written her off. Now I really, really hope Megan is able to raise the money she needs to complete her EP.

    Good luck, Megan!

  • SajiNoKami

    James Durbin continues to bitch about the tour! He’s pissed Idol won’t pay to have his family with him on the road.

    When I see this comment I expected some sort of rant. Yet, James didn’t even come across that he was bitching. It sucks his family could not be there and I am going to guess TPTB don’t actually layout where all the money goes and if he did ask about the family coming, did they just say: ‘There is no money for that.’ w/o a reason? Or did they explain why? that is what I am more curious about.

    No, he shouldn’t be b!tching to the press and yes, everybody is in the same boat, but man, Idol PTB are being uber-cheap this year while going home to jump into their swimming pools of money.

    It does make sense not to say negative things to the press… especially for James. I am finding the pattern, no matter how minor of a thing he says, if it is negative, he gets jumped on for it. Maybe the other do too, but I am just noticing it more with James. Kid, keep that smiling mask on.
    Wonder why they cut the pay so much this year, tour is obviously doing well.

    I am just hoping James does not to take it out on the fans with this trend of not appearing after the shows. It is not our fault.

    Starting to get the impression he is going the indy route. If he has a cd by thanksgiving, I am not complaining.

    I think James just says what many others are also thinking (as Kirsten proved) but their “filters” keep them from saying it.

    ITA

  • McCreerian
    Makes you wonder why anyone would want to sign it

    Because however unfair the contract seems, the Idols who make it to the show are always better off than before they auditioned? Idol offers the kind of exposure these kids would probably not get otherwise.
    At least James can buy diapers for his baby, right? That’s why I don’t get the bitching.

    I totally agree with what MJ said. The contract may not seem “fair” but it DOES make them better off than they were. That is why I get annoyed at ex-idols who try to trash the show and act like it did nothing to help them(Chris Sligh, I’m looking at you).

  • Valentin432

    I’ve just finished with the second part of the contract and still couldn’t find anything related to payments for the idol tour.

    I’m back to hoping somebody will get it for us.

  • lovingadam

    LOL. Leno mentions Carrie, Adam … and Sanyaya (i think he was on idol) on Forbes top earning Idols.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er9uJZRF02U&feature=share

  • revcat

    All of the Idols on tour are kids who are trying to make it in a very tough business. They are paying their dues. Any of them who make it will look back on their “salad days” with fondness.

    I don’t feel any pity for them regarding the tour, but I do feel a little sad knowing that most of them won’t achieve stardom. It’s gonna be a big letdown for those who don’t make it.

    As for James, I taught special ed for over 20 years and I think I understand where he is coming from. I don’t view him as handicapped, but he does have a disability. As much as his fans (and non fans) would like him to develop a filter, it’s probably not going to happen. This is part of his Aspergers syndrome.

    In real life he needs a mentor, his girlfriend has been acting in that role. So it’s not just that he wishes his family were with him on the tour, it’s that he actually needs someone like his girlfriend not just for the companionship, but as a life coach. However, James is being treated like everyone else, no special considerations that I know of and I think he is handling himself not only as well as can be expected, but better than most people could with the same circumstances. He’s actually a very brave kid.

  • Montavilla

    In the days of the “sliding scales” (assuming that they were, since we don’t have those contracts at hand), the Idols were performing according to ranking on the show. Michael Sarver sang two songs (plus two group numbers), while Kris sang five, plus one group number.

    It seems fair to me that there would be greater compensation for more stage time (more labor, rehearsal, vocal strain, etc.)

    This year the rankings aren’t so clear cut. Scotty sings five songs, but Pia sings eleven, right? Plus all the girls should be getting hazard pay for those heels! :)

    The reduced pay rate is likely due to the disappointing tour last year — which may have lost money. But it does seem unfair to penalize this season’s cast for last season’s lack of buzz. It would have been fairer to put in a bonus (say, an extra amount if the venue sells more than 80% capacity).

    If the Idols are getting a cut of the merchandise, that will help. But… I seem to recall that the only shirts offered were Scotty or Scotty/Lauren? That’s kind of a raw deal for Naima or Stephano.

    I do agree that bringing families along is not AI’s obligation in the least. We don’t know what the cost of lodging/food/insurance, etc. is for the cast and crew. Providing a spot and food for family members could be prohibitively expensive. If you think about it, if every cast member brought along one family member, that might mean having to hire one or two extra buses.

  • Trina

    Well yeah..and I did my own bitching about the meeting fans issue in the concert thread from last night. I don’t know what’s going on with him. What’s bad is it seems like up until this past week he was at least coming out in the daytime at the venues but now he’s not coming out at all. Judging by all the missing family talk and the overall complaints I’m guessing he’s dealing with a little depression. I hate using his Aspergers as any kind of excuse but its something that won’t go away and likely does have an impact on how he’s handling things.

    To be perfectly honest I have no idea what he plans on doing with releasing music. First it was by Thanksgiving initially, then by the end of the tour, now back to by Thanksgiving again but he only has two songs done? Not to be all cynical, but in the 10 seasons I’ve followed Idol I wish I had a dime for all the Idols who talked about releasing albums by a certain time and they have yet to see the light of day. I hope James has realistic goals and expectations but I’m starting to doubt it.

    Ooohhh Blake Shelton sang with Dia tonight!

  • SajiNoKami

    i’m just wondering how he’s going to cope when he’s traveling all by himself with just some crew members, and not 10 other contestants who are going through the same things he is. it’s gonna be 10xs more lonely.

    I was pondering this. In his home life, Heidi is his ‘cheerleader’, kept an eye on him [post it notes come to mind]. On AI, whole group of people that work with the show and a few of his fellow contestants were it: Paul [share the wrestling obsession with], Stefano [would take the time to wake james up daily, while on America's next top model, people get left behind], later Casey [who gets along with everyone]. Tour, well, the number went way down. There are the couple of obvious ones: Casey and Paul. Then sometimes Haley seems to make an effort too. Scotty, well he and James come off the same age a lot so a bit different. The positive energy seems to be going down with the James. I hope he figures it out before he is alone.

    Casey, wasn’t he a camp councilor and he just seems so good with people, like he can be best friends with anyone.

    it’s that he actually needs someone like his girlfriend not just for the companionship, but as a life coach.

    Life coach / personal assistant / handler: I can see Heidi easily stepping into this roll traveling with James, if they can afford it. Usually with the celebs they seem to get family or good friends to fill the position, so it makes sense. I can see Hunter traveling with them sometimes but other times spending time with Grandma.

  • http://MJO judes

    oh boo hoo hoo, James needs to just stop. why should he get preferential treatment and have the show pay for his girlfriend and baby to tour with them? James is hardly the first contestant with a family who’s touring on this tour. if

    I actually referred to this before this interview was put up but I can’t find my post now. What I wondered was whether the adults of those underaged are paid to come on the tour ?
    To me James is in a similar situation which hasn’t happened before on Idol because of his tourettes & aspergers -not just because he has a family. His fiance is a great support to him . maybe she needs to skype him more often -to cheer him up & so she can maybe advise him on some issues.?

    I hope James is not depressed. As someone who has family members with depression I know when you are feeling low it is very difficult to meet a whole lot of people at once[ even though you can perform in front of them- my son is the same] which may be why he can’t face coming out to the fans when at the beginning of the tour that is what he was looking forward to.
    I just wish him well & hope he is able to get the support he needs. I have great sympathy for him. I just hope he can move on & try & enjoy the other idols company whilst they are together & then look to the future. Take each step as it comes!

    Just read your post revcat & thankyou- I agree totally that James needs a lifecoach [this helped my son immensely]. You put into words exactly what I was trying to say.

  • Trina

    I’ve noticed since the tour began, at least by looking at Casey’s tweets and the way they are together on stage that James seems especially close with him, even moreso than Stefano. Casey seems like a really good person.

  • SajiNoKami

    Casey seems like a really good person.

    ITA

  • jewels

    I did see the $1K per iTunes song during the show on page 18.

    As an Adam, can I just say that this freaked me out until I went and actually read the contract.

    If I am reading it right, the $1k per track is just an advance and not how much they actually pay them and they still get standard performer royalties from every sale right?

  • dana80

    judes says:
    07/28/2011 at 3:58 am

    I actually referred to this before this interview was put up but I can’t find my post now. What I wondered was whether the adults of those underaged are paid to come on the tour ?

    I don’t think it’s the same situation since it the law that the minors have to have somebody with them. There is no law obliging TPTB to pay for somebody to accompany James.

  • dana80

    jewels says:
    07/28/2011 at 4:56 am
    I did see the $1K per iTunes song during the show on page 18.

    As an Adam, can I just say that this freaked me out until I went and actually read the contract.

    If I am reading it right, the $1k per track is just an advance and not how much they actually pay them and they still get standard performer royalties from every sale right?

    I think Kris mentioned in his Idolatry interview that they got paid percentage of every sale and it came down to 7 cents or something

  • jewels

    I think Kris mentioned in his Idolatry interview that they got paid percentage of every sale and it came down to 7 cents or something

    Thanks. That is how I thought it worked but the $1k per iTunes track in the middle of this ’19 are exploiting these kids’ discussion was a ‘woah’ moment.

    Have read the thread more closely now and realise that was probably meant to suggest the only time they saw $1k was in the iTunes discussion rather than 19 are only giving these kids $1k whatever they sell.

  • Elliegrll

    Kirsten, this contract is the exclusive recording contract between 19 Recordings and the artist. Payments mentioned in it have to do with recordings and things related to them. I can’t find anything that specifically addresses the AI summer tour. Is 19 Recordings directly responsible for that or is American Idol?

    There’s a part at the beginning of the contract that says that the two parties have already agreed on certain things. I have a feeling that there is another contract, and that E online failed to get a copy of the first one that was filed with the court.

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    I think James should stop bitching-it sucks but u have to make some sacrifices to be a semi-star

    Soooo excited for glee!

  • ituneit

    It’s interesting after all ten seasons I never started out disliking a contestant and have it grow even stronger after the show. Usually after the show when then start doing interviews I see different sides to their personality. Durbin is just as much a whiner with a grandiose self image as I thought. If I was an executive at a label I wouldn’t touch him. Paul makes a good interview. He’s a lot smoother and he’s not a bad looking guy.

  • mmb

    Right now there are hundreds of thousands of teens and twentysomethings working hard at summer internships for no pay at all. Why do they provide profitable companies with so much unpaid labor? To get the work experience. Idol and the idol tour are kinda like internships, albeit paid ones. The contestants get valuable industry experience and exposure. At the end, some get hired by the company and some don’t. But all get experience and exposure that they can parlay into a future career. While they aren’t making as much money as in past years, they are all making 50k + for their summer job- more than any if them have probably ever made. But I bet they would all do it for free too. This is the experience of a Lifetime. I don’t feel bad for them or think that 19 is taking advantage if them

  • Tess

    I think people need to remember that the guardians, though traveling free aren’t getting paid by AI, and in some cases (like Scott’s mom) are giving up their own income to be with their kids. Sometimes, minors have been signed over to other idols….Melinda was Jordin’s guardian season 6.

    For insurance purposes it would really surprise me if Paul’s and Pia’s traveling companions were riding on the bus…they are probably using alternate transportation.

    And, as an aside, there have been numerous reports that the food on the tour is pretty damn good….I wouldn’t mind shrimp cocktails, and fresh fruit, and crab legs.

    And, as far as compensation. Even though the alleged sum is pretty paltry (though I’d like it) I think the bottom line is that any of the other 100,000 who tried out for Season 10 would be happy to be getting paid for singing on a national tour…especially when you consider many of these kids could be flipping hamburgers for 10 bucks an hour and making 20k for an entire year of mind-numbing labor.

    By the way…isn’t union scale something like $300 bucks for a performance.

  • Kirsten

    Kirsten, this contract is the exclusive recording contract between 19 Recordings and the artist

    I agree. If you look at the Top 24 agreement that was released at the same time, each of the agreements are mentioned separately:
    19 Recording Agreement (with 19 Recordings Inc)
    19 Merchandising Agreement (with 19 Entertainment)
    19 Management Agreement (with 19 Entertainment)
    19 Attraction Agreement (with 19 Entertainment for WDW)
    19 Live Tour Agreement (with 19 Touring LLC)

    Only one of those agreements leaked. We need more leaks ;-)

    In the days of the “sliding scales” (assuming that they were, since we don’t have those contracts at hand), the Idols were performing according to ranking on the show. Michael Sarver sang two songs (plus two group numbers), while Kris sang five, plus one group number.

    That’s not true in S6 where the format was similar to this season. I think some of the earlier seasons mixed it up more too. I’d be all for everybody getting a raise (I don’t object to the same level of pay). What I think is lame is that everybody performs more than Michael Sarver and gets paid less. Fine, there is only so much money in the pot so everybody gets $3K, but don’t make the pot 1/3 the size.

    What I wondered was whether the adults of those underaged are paid to come on the tour ?

    The parents are not paid a salary, but they do get their typical travel expenses paid for (lodging, transportation, food, etc ).

    There is one case where a family member was brought along for a non-minor contestant. In S8, Scott MacIntyre’s brother traveled with the tour (including on the bus) because Scott was visually impaired.

    Have read the thread more closely now and realise that was probably meant to suggest the only time they saw $1k was in the iTunes discussion rather than 19 are only giving these kids $1k whatever they sell.

    Yes. That’s all I was trying to say. They do get paid royalties for the iTunes sales after recoupment of the $1K and other production costs. I can’t find that rate referenced directly in the contract, but I assume that it is the typical royalty paid for iTunes payments (about 9 cents).

  • halo9125

    I was always the first one to cut James some slack because of his disabilities- but- during that interview, James actually looked over his shoulder first to see if anybody was listening, and then started griping about family members not being able to travel with them. So, he clearly had the presence of mind to realize what he was saying might not be received well.

  • Montavilla

    Fine, there is only so much money in the pot so everybody gets $3K, but don’t make the pot 1/3 the size.

    I agree with you there. Actually, I agree completely with you about the reduced pay this year. It does bite that this cast is making about a third (on average) of what the previous casts made. My post was intended to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek. :)

    There is one case where a family member was brought along for a non-minor contestant. In S8, Scott MacIntyre’s brother traveled with the tour (including on the bus) because Scott was visually impaired.

    Yep. I’ve seen references to that, and that was a good thing for 19 to do. Perhaps Scott M could have managed on his own, but how nice that he got that accommodation. That, however, was back when the tour pay could be described as “generous.”

  • dinaa68

    I am a big James fan, so I say this with love and respect…James needs some PR help/coaching. He needs someone travelling with him. Heidi is his fiance but she also fulfills so many other roles in his life. Of course he wants her with him. Its very easy if you don’t have Asperger’s to look at James’ behavior and think he’s acting like a spoiled rock star. But the thing is, change is so hard for people on the autism spectrum. James is totally out of his comfort zone. Yes, he’s friends with Paul, Stefano, and Casey, but they all have their own lives and are going through their own situations. Friends help each other through tough times, sure. But I think James needs more than what his friends can give him. One would think that James’ management team would step up and give him some help. But we all know that the well-being of the artist is rarely what’s important in the business. Example of the week: Amy Winehouse. And to be fair, someone can have a good management team/PR person, and they can still shoot off their mouth and contribute to the demise of their career. James is very talented and he cares about his family, his fans, and his career. I hope he can make it work and have a career in music.

  • iluvai

    I thought James’ interview was fine. He’s actually funny. I liked the part when the interviewer asked him if they’d had any “smack downs” (not sure if that’s the words she actually used) on tour yet, and he’s like well no but we’re only on #15 of 45 dates. lol

    Also thought his comments on sweet tea were funny.

  • iluvai

    James actually looked over his shoulder first to see if anybody was listening, and then started griping about family members not being able to travel with them.

    Maybe he was just stretching at that moment or fidgeting. He could have looked over his shoulder for any reason. Maybe he heard something? lol. He knows he is being recorded, so what’s he’s saying isn’t going to be kept some big secret.

  • Niall

    If James needs THAT much coaching day to day, he belongs at home, in counseling and on SSI, not traveling around the country trying to be a rock star. Susan Boyle had mental health issues that were too much for her to deal with under a heavy travel schedule and maybe James is the same way. If he really needs Heidi around to cue him, Stefano to wake him up, and various others to cheer him up, then the entertainment business is too much. Personally I think he’s an immature whiner, and being on his own will be good for him if people resist the urge to enable his dependency.

  • halo9125

    LOL I just looked at the video again- he is ever so slightly fidgety throughout the video- but around 5:30 or so, he looks over his shoulder and then says “with the amount of money this tour is making…..”

    It’s almost as if he doesn’t get that people actually watch these interviews.

    In S8, Scott MacIntyre’s brother traveled with the tour (including on the bus) because Scott was visually impaired.

    So based on the Americans with Disabilities Act, James could probably have made a case for having somebody travel with him.

  • ituneit

    One would think that James’ management team would step up and give him some help.

    Why should they? If he can’t handle it he shouldn’t be there. I could see if James was some special talent but he isn’t. Why would a label go through extra expense and effort for someone who isn’t above average? He’s no better than any of the others on the tour. It can be argued his tone and pitch are the worst of the top 10. He gives a lousy interview. So why should he get anything special? There are 1,000s of unsigned singers out there who could probably mop the floor with him. Why should his management or the label bend over backwards? They don’t owe him anything. He owes them everything. It seems some think Durbin should get special treatment because of his aspergers. It appears to be an excuse for every mistep he makes.

    “So based on the Americans with Disabilities Act, James could probably have made a case for having somebody travel with him. ”

    I never saw Dan Aykroyd having to have an escort to make sure he doesn’t get confused or say the wrong thing. It would be a hard one to sell. Your honor I need to have someone accompany me everywhere I go because I might say something Douchey. Durbin himself said he has only a mild case.

  • Lilzie

    Accommodation under Americans with Disabilities Act? Absolutely. Unfortunately, the intolerance that is expressed for James on the boards and blogs is precisely the type of treatment people with disabilities, particularly neurological ones, face day in day out. It is a fact, not an excuse, that those with Tourettes and Aspergers suffer from delayed social development, require additional support, lack filters, are brutally honest … I could go on but it’s all been said. Is the answer to tell them they shouldn’t go in the kitchen because they can’t handle the heat or is the answer to make some modifications to the kitchen? I would suggest that for the benefit of society, perhaps modifications are the better option and perhaps why the Americans with disabilities Act was enacted to begin with.

  • Elliegrll

    Why should they? If he can’t handle it he shouldn’t be there. I could see if James was some special talent but he isn’t. Why would a label go through extra expense and effort for someone who isn’t above average?

    Red Light picked up their option on James, which would imply that they think that he is talented, or at least talented enough to make them some money. This wouldn’t be the first time that a management company has hired someone to help their client navigate the industry and deal with the press. It’s not exactly the same, but I remember that 19 had Ruben’s brother go on some interviews with him, because initially Ruben was so bad at doing them on his own. There’s even one story where the PR person, who accompanied them to a radio station, asked the dj to direct some questions to the brother, and not to Ruben.

  • SajiNoKami

    but around 5:30 or so, he looks over his shoulder and then says “with the amount of money this tour is making…..”

    Yeah I totally saw that and he lowered his voice too, see it at work all the time and I do it all the time when I complain about my job, just we are not being filmed. Sometimes I wonder if James realizes these news people are not his friends, he can’t gossip with them.

    James is totally out of his comfort zone. Yes, he’s friends with Paul, Stefano, and Casey, but they all have their own lives and are going through their own situations.

    Yeah they do have their own things. It is still nice that they do try tho & haven’t abandoned him. Paul is good with James in interviews, Casey seems to be making a big effort. Scotty tries too. s10 seems like good people.

    being on his own will be good for him if people resist the urge to enable his dependency.

    it very well could be or really bad. IDK.

    Unfortunately, the intolerance that is expressed for James on the boards and blogs is precisely the type of treatment people with disabilities, particularly neurological ones, face day in day out.

    my ma was saying something like this. And he will really have some problems in the industry, because people just don’t care. You piss them off, doesn’t matter the reason why, they don’t want to hear the excuse, you pissed them off.

  • sr4mjc

    And to be fair, someone can have a good management team/PR person, and they can still shoot off their mouth and contribute to the demise of their career.

    Chris Brown? Although he’s getting VMA gigs so no matter what he does, his managment gets him booked. gross

  • halo9125

    I think there are so many factors in play here- and I think it all boils down to James being poorly advised by someone- just not quite sure who. If he made a legitimate argument for being allowed somebody to travel with him (again, based on the ADA act) then I say why not? But to say the tour is making so much money so he should have his family with him- well- just NO. If Interscope did indeed pass on him, I can understand why- sadly, he is probably incredibly difficult to deal with.

  • TwigLA

    I expected something different from that James interview than I saw due to the posts. I don’t find him quite that bitchy.

    It would be nice, but in the entertainment industry, family is not included in the contracts. But then again, in what industry where the worker has to travel are they? If you want your family to be there, you or they pay their own way.

    When he gets big he can put that stipulation in his riders. He’s not there yet.

  • Montavilla

    Why would a label go through extra expense and effort for someone who isn’t above average? He’s no better than any of the others on the tour.

    Scott M was no better than anyone on his tour, either. The point wasn’t that he was “above average.” The point was that he had a disability and accommodation was made so that wasn’t put at a disadvantage.

    By all accounts, Scott M was also a very savvy person and probably knew that he was entitled to have help. I don’t know if James and his family are as aware of what they can ask for.

    But to say the tour is making so much money so he should have his family with him- well- just NO. If Interscope did indeed pass on him, I can understand why- sadly, he is probably incredibly difficult to deal with.

    According to secondhand accounts (Richard Rushfield and Melinda Doolittle), James is sweet and a joy to work with. His main problem seems to be his unfiltered interviews. He (and some of the other guys this year) demonstrate that maintaining a charming, humble persona for the press, while also keeping on message is more difficult than it seems.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    I don’t find him quite that bitchy.

    Well, how about bitterness with a tinge of anger? lol. There was nothing matter-of-fact in the way James expressed himself there.

    Show business is a pressure cooker, if James isn’t emotionally equipped to handle the stress due to his disabilities, then he needs to take responsibility–take that extra step and get some help.

  • SajiNoKami

    I think there are so many factors in play here- and I think it all boils down to James being poorly advised by someone- just not quite sure who.

    i am a bit surprised his interviews have not been addressed and changed by who is investing in him. Unless this is what they hoped for, they like the stir he makes with his comments.

  • halo9125

    Here’s another of my totally useless theories: perhaps both James and Haley were promised something by Interscope. The difference between them- Haley was probably savvy enough to yes them to death enough to actually sign the deal (and will do battle with them later, as she has stated), where James simply is not.

  • Lilzie

    Unless this is what they hoped for, they like the stir he makes with his comments.

    Buzz is important in the industry. If you think about many of the greats there is always buzz, both good and bad. People love them or hate them but they do feel strongly one way or the other. I suppose it’s better than having apathy. And the truth of the matter is that despite any things James may have said that someone with a “filter” would not have said, he has actually not said anything all that terrible in reality. Often people just assign the most negative interpretation because that is what they are inclined to do anyways, especially those that don’t like him.

  • PRMari

    A question about Megan Joy’s situation…I have no idea how much money she made on Idol and tour & obviously don’t know how she spent it but I’m a little surprised that she needs to raise $15K to put out an EP, as opposed to for example getting a loan. I guess I’m wondering if these Idols kids struggle so much financially after the tour is over because others (Anoop, Sarver, Matt, Scott) have been able to get their music out there without a label, etc.

  • ituneit

    Scott M was no better than anyone on his tour, either. The point wasn’t that he was “above average.” The point was that he had a disability and accommodation was made so that wasn’t put at a disadvantage.

    Huge difference between someone who is visually impaired and needs an escort – huge safety issues- and someone who might not have the best social skills. There are high profile people in society with aspergers and seem to manage just fine without someone wiping their butt for them. Bill Gates and Dan Aykroyd seem to get along just fine without special escorts. Aspergers is not a physical disability that requires special accomodations. Did Durbin require special assistance when he delivered pizzas? Did Heidi go along with him? If he can’t cut it then he should bow out. If he wants to become big how in the world would he handle the intense touring schedule? Is Heidi going to be a babysitter instead of a wife? I don’t envy her.

  • Lilzie

    Gee I wonder what Bill Gates and Dan Ackroyd were like in their early 20′s? Unseen disabilities are perhaps the most challenging because the intolerance is greater when people appear normal. I think one can hardly compare the rigours of delivering pizza to the easy task of touring.

  • dana80

    PRMari says:
    07/28/2011 at 1:01 pm

    A question about Megan Joy’s situation…I have no idea how much money she made on Idol and tour & obviously don’t know how she spent it but I’m a little surprised that she needs to raise $15K to put out an EP, as opposed to for example getting a loan. I guess I’m wondering if these Idols kids struggle so much financially after the tour is over because others (Anoop, Sarver, Matt, Scott) have been able to get their music out there without a label, etc.

    Well, this is better for her because she doesn’t have to return it and it also show if there is actual interest for her music. If people are willing to fork over 10 $ for an EP, it means there is at least some interest there.

  • PRMari

    Well, this is better for her because she doesn’t have to return it and it also show if there is actual interest for her music. If people are willing to fork over 10 $ for an EP, it means there is at least some interest there.

    That makes perfect sense. I guess I’m just wondering about the idea that she can only release the EP if she raises those $15K because she’s not “a rich woman”.

  • ituneit

    Does it cost 15k to release an EP? I’ve seen kick start programs where people try and raise less than that for an entire CD. I guess it would depend on the situation. Some may already have a band or have written their own songs. I do like that song she is playing in the background though.

  • ituneit

    Gee I wonder what Bill Gates and Dan Ackroyd were like in their early 20?s?

    Bill Gates was founding Microsoft and Dan Ackryoud was acting. Neither of them needed someone to tell them how to function and I doubt either of them thought of themselves as having disabilites needing special assistance. Al Gore went on to be Vice President. Talk about having to be P.C. I would make the argument too that founding a billion dollar company is perhaps a bit “rigorous” too. If that’s the case than anyone on the tour who has been diagonsed with depression, ADD, bi-polar, or a host of other “unseen” disabilites should be allowed special treatment and an escort. If he can’t handle it at this point then he should step aside.

  • EmyR

    One point I’d like to make is that aspies usually don’t want special treatment. They want to be seen and treated just like anyone else, so James probably wasn’t even thinking about needing someone to be on tour with him but rather wanting them to be there.

    Whether he should have someone there or not, James likely doesn’t believe he does beyond the support family provides to anyone, not just someone with disabilities. The way he said it (and that it was to the press) was not a good move b/c it comes off slightly ungrateful for the opportunity he’s being provided, but it’s very unlikely he ever thought he needed an escort for b/c of his Aspergers.

  • Kirsten

    Bill Gates was founding Apple

    That’s probably a massive surprise to Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak who are generally credited with starting that specific company.

    Neither of them needed someone to tell them how to function and I doubt either of them thought of themselves as having disabilites needing special assistance.

    Any they obviously did not. Autism is a spectrum disorder. Some autistic people are incredibly disabled and cannot function on their own. Many can. To say that one or two people Autistic people can handle high stress careers on their own does not mean that they all can. That would be like saying “Well, Kris is visually impaired. He wears glasses and he doesn’t need his brother on tour, so Scott should just suck it up”

    It is possible that James cannot function without help either. I’m not a fan of his stuff, but he declared his disabilities from day one. If he needs the extra support, Idol should suck it up and pay for it. They certainly made coin of his story of having a disability

  • ituneit

    That’s probably a massive surprise to Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak who are generally credited with starting that specific company.

    Ha ha……you know what I meant.

    Autism is a spectrum disorder. Some autistic people are incredibly disabled and cannot function on their own. Many can.

    This was my whole point. Durbin said he had a mild form of aspergers. He himself said that. That’s saying that all people with Aspergers even the mild cases are so disabled they can’t function without help. He is obviously high functioning and if not told he had aspergers I highly doubt anyone would even know. . They’d just think he was acting like a typical immature guy. My point is he is no where’s near disabled and doesn’t need an escort and apparently can function quite well on his own. He managed just fine without Heidi or help while on the show. All of them are experiencing stress. All of them miss their family. The guy seems to get a free pass on everything he says or does. Blame it on the Aspergers. The argument about Kris and Scott makes no sense to me. That’s a physical handicap. It’s like comparing apples and oranges.

  • Niall

    The day James and his mild Asperger’s disorder qualifies him for the same type of special accomodations as those with developmental disabilities, physical handicaps, or traumatic brain injuries, is the day they might as well change the definition of disability to include “immaturity” or “foot in mouth disease.” In the case of the latter, somebody would need to alert Danny Gokey that there is help available. LOL

  • Kirsten

    Durbin said he had a mild form of aspergers. He himself said that. That’s saying that all people with Aspergers even the mild cases are so disabled they can’t function without help.

    He says it is mild. That’s a subjective term. All I’m saying is that IF he needs additional support due to his disability, Idol should provide it. It should probably err on the side of generosity just for good PR.

    I honestly don’t know what his situation is. I’m just reacting to people saying that if his disability makes this tour too difficult, he shouldn’t be there and all I’m saying is that if his disability makes this tour too difficult, 19 needs to figure out how to make this work. He had a known disability and they signed the contract (after making money off of his disability).

    The argument about Kris and Scott makes no sense to me. That’s a physical handicap. It’s like comparing apples and oranges.

    Non-physical disabilities can be as difficult to manage as physical ones. And you often have to deal with people not believing you have a problem at all.

  • owanbe

    I have been reading these healines news and my curiousity is getting me to asking this question i.e. how is anyone sure AI has not carried out some tests to ascertain the level of James disability to find out if he is indeed fit for the tour or not without him needing some sort of extra assistance?
    I am wondering this aloud because I feel it would be a bit strange from their end not to render any assistance if he is highly in need of one, especially since they obviously provided medical attention to Casey and I think Crystal during the show or so.

  • Lilzie

    Any neurological disorder is as individual as the person who is afflicted by it. Having spent a significant amount of time with a high functioning Aspie, there are many times when he seems neurotypical and then something will happen and the Aspie traits come through loud and clear.

    Only a few years ago, James could not even carry on a conversation with people so he has come a long way, impressively so. He still has learning and growth to do, no doubt. It isn’t something that happens overnight. If you look at his AI run, he fell apart when his support system was eliminated and the Star article timing was about the same time. We don’t know what else went on behind the scenes we were not privy to.

    Similarly now. We have no clue what has precipitated a seeming change in demeanour over the last couple of weeks. I for one will continue to give James the benefit of the doubt because in essence he really has not done anything so egregious that he doesn’t deserve it. Much of what he has said or done, while not always PC, is open to how one wants to interpret it, rather than obviously being bad or negative in and of itself. People will either be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt or not. I for one, prefer to see the good in people.

  • ituneit

    I honestly don’t know what his situation is. I’m just reacting to people saying that if his disability makes this tour too difficult, he shouldn’t be there and all I’m saying is that if his disability makes this tour too difficult, 19 needs to figure out how to make this work. He had a known disability and they signed the contract (after making money off of his disability).

    I agree with this. But based on his own statements and how he acts he really does appear to be a really mild case. He’s probably missing his family as they all are. But yes I would not put it past 19 to totally milk the situation. But I get a sneaking suspicion that Durbin himself would not want someone there just because of he has mild aspergers. I am not even going to call it a disability because I doubt he does. It’s not disabling him in anyway. He sings, he goes on interviews, he goes on tour. How is he disabled. If Scotty M. was left on his own without help he would be helpless. That’s disabled. Durbin wants someone there for the same reason everyone else in AI touring history does – it gets boring and lonely. But they all have to suck it up. It’s only for a few months. I think he was just whining and it got over blown.

  • Montavilla

    If Scotty M. was left on his own without help he would be helpless. That’s disabled.

    I’m not sure that’s correct. There are many blind people who don’t have seeing-eye brothers. Scott M. had a cane and he knew how to use it. He wasn’t helpless.

    This is coming up on the boards because we’re noticing some moments that are… concerning. Maybe it’s being overblown, and I’m certainly no diagnostician. So, I’m with Kirsten. If this is a problem and if it’s because stress is aggravating James’ condition, then the tour producers should work something out to help him.

    We don’t know that they aren’t. Even if they did, my completely irrelevant opinion is that putting his family on the tour would not be a great solution. Because even if Heidi could magically make everything emotionally perfect for James, bringing a toddler onto the bus would open up a whole other can of worms.

  • Susan

    He is obviously high functioning and if not told he had aspergers I highly doubt anyone would even know. . They’d just think he was acting like a typical immature guy.

    You’re right that I don’t think anyone would know, but it’s not because there’s no problem, but rather that most people have not spent enough time around those with Asperger’s to recognize the signs. I’ve read about it, and I could only see the signs in James’ behavior because I knew in advance that he has it.

    The Tourette’s is obviously much easier to see, but even then my dad didn’t know that’s why James “blinked all the time” until the night he was eliminated. Obviously he missed some early episodes when it was mentioned.

  • yellin

    The day James and his mild Asperger’s disorder qualifies him for the same type of special accomodations as those with developmental disabilities, physical handicaps, or traumatic brain injuries, is the day they might as well change the definition of disability to include “immaturity” or “foot in mouth disease.” In the case of the latter, somebody would need to alert Danny Gokey that there is help available. LOL

    Coming from a mom of a 10 year old son that has Aspergers, I really wish people would research it more so that one could really understand, although I believe that to be almost impossible unless you know someone with it. It is HOW THEIR BRAIN IS WIRED. There is no magic pill or therapy that will “fix” them. They don’t need “help” nor (trust me!) do they want it. I wanted to share something I read that is so COMPLETELY true. This is why I find it BS that Al Gore is an Aspie. I don’t believe that for a second.

    “Keeping promises, being honest, and being on time are things that will be of paramount importance when dating an Aspie. Don’t even think of trying to use the usual false marketing! The Aspie is usually not impressed by titles, cars, status, monetary assets, boobs or biceps, but more by things like intelligence, depth, honesty, kindness, genuine originality and talent.”

    They are the most “organic” people you will find, because maybe some find it a “fault” and others find it refreshing, but they are the most faithful, reliable, honest (sometimes BRUTALLY – ex. Lady Gaga, Adam, certain tweets, wanting to tour with his family etc.) and kind people you can find. They just have a hard time understand OTHERS social cues. You have to pretty literal with them, as that is how they are, not because they are mean, or cocky or arrogant, but this is how they see the world. :) Hope this helps, and I wish James all of the success in the world. BTW, funny that Gaga can “bash” whoever she wants and it is all good, or she has “earned that right.” I think that is the biggest load of BS and is EXACTLY what is wrong with this world. JMO :)

  • 50diamonds

    Well, how about bitterness with a tinge of anger? lol. There was nothing matter-of-fact in the way James expressed himself there.

    Guess we just hear things differently mj.

    This was my whole point. Durbin said he had a mild form of aspergers. He himself said that. That’s saying that all people with Aspergers even the mild cases are so disabled they can’t function without help. He is obviously high functioning and if not told he had aspergers I highly doubt anyone would even know.

    Anyone with any knowledge of the autism spectrum who observed James throughout his Idol run would not miss the fact that he is on the spectrum.

    The day James and his mild Asperger’s disorder qualifies him for the same type of special accommodations as those with developmental disabilities, physical handicaps, or traumatic brain injuries, is the day they might as well change the definition of disability

    Newsflash: Autism is a developmental disability. Traumatic brain injuries affect the functioning of the brain. So does autism, just in a different way. Physical disabilities (handicap is an outdated term that those with mobility and other challenges do not like) are obviously more visible than neurological differences. That does not mean that neurological differences need less support than those with physical challenges.

    Bill Gates was founding Microsoft and Dan Ackryoud was acting. Neither of them needed someone to tell them how to function and I doubt either of them thought of themselves as having disabilites needing special assistance.

    Bill Gates and Dan Adkyroyd just further the assertion that everyone on the spectrum is different. Whatever their needs were or were not have nothing to do with James. But, I can assure you that Bill was a huge challenge – but hasn’t he turned out well? My husband’s family socialized with his family when they were young – they went to the same grade school. Lots of stories to tell. And btw, they are a great family. You can bet that Bill always had lots of stable support from a very loving family – with means. I don’t know anything about Ackyroyd.But bottom line ituneit – you’ve said it repeatedly, you simply can’t stand James. So, maybe you should just walk away from his story and focus on what makes you happy.