David Cook - "The Last Song I'll Write For You" (VIDEO) *He's No Longer With RCA!)

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Shirley Halperin of the Hollywood Reporter is back stage at the American Idol results show, and she just confirmed with David Cook that he is without a record deal.

Wow, @thedavidcook just confirmed: he’s without a record deal. New song is self-released and the road ahead is wide open…

The song David has self-released is his new single, “The Last Song I’ll Write For You”. The season 7 Idol winner performed the new tune on Idol tonight. Watch it here.  David’s vocal tonight was superb!  He’s managed by Simon Fuller who gave David the opportunity to promote his self-released single on Idol.  Whatever David’s next step is…good luck to him!

ETA: David’s deal with RCA was up after his second album, This Loud Morning.  “It just felt like the time to try something different,” he tells THR. “I love the creative control, so we’re going to self-release and see what happens from there.”

“We’re just going to keep doing what we’re doing. If someone wants to hop on board and get behind it, then great, let’s talk about it. I just love making music and however I’m gonna do that is however I’m gonna do that. But if I keep writing songs like this, hopefully things will turn out OK.” The Hollywood Reporter

 


David Cook live on American Idol 2012 Results by HumanSlinky

 
  • http://www.etsy.com/shop/AdorablyHooked Gwen

    Very interesting….

  • Anonymous

    Cookie is so blessed that Idol still loves and respects him and helps him out whenever they can. Most alums don’t have that advantage. He’s ubertalented and i wish him the best.

  • Anonymous

    Not surprised after how his album has been received. 
    Now onto Kris and Adam.
    Good luck, my boys.

  • Anonymous

    Good for him! RCA has been shitty lately.

  • http://twitter.com/bbmetsfan andy

    Well, that sucks.  But his kind of music just doesn’t sell right now.  Great performance, up in the 60′s on itunes.

  • Anonymous

    Oh Well… where there’s smoke there’s fire… MJ you were on top of this yesterday, so there was heads up it was coming. Cold music world out there, but maybe he’ll find the best direction and niche for his music now… S7 seems like an eternity ago.

  • Anonymous

    Haven’t had a lot of exposure to DC but I think he’ll need lots of luck with this song b/c there is absolutely nothing unique or attention-grabbing about it. Nice enough voice but very drab song. AAMOF, it sounds exactly like that other song he recently released. 

  • http://twitter.com/pyropath Mal

    You know there’s a huge problem with RCA when you’re opening shows with Bon Jovi, performing side by side as friends with Little Steven, and raising a shit ton of money for cancer research, and they don’t want you to be on their label.
    David will do so much better- personally- without them up his ass. Good for him. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Well, this is the way of the record companies these days.  Gone are the days of the $100Mil record deals like Janet Jackson (who doesn’t have a deal either I think), so they have to tour to make their money or luck up on an endorsement deal.  You can imagine if this is happening to Idols, what it’s like for the XF and Voice “winners”.

  • http://www.etsy.com/shop/AdorablyHooked Gwen

    Okay, now that I’ve heard the song in its entirety – love it!!  And…love the hairrrrrr!!!!

  • windmills

    As I was saying to Joyed on twitter, it’s always better to sound and look better after a break up :) And tonight, David Cook did.

    Here’s what I like about the song and especially the live performance: Cook’s voice and phrasing are relaxed and the melody of the song really lets him show nuances in his voice that I didn’t hear as much on his 2 RCA albums (excepting Goodbye To The Girl). Yeah, maybe a few off notes here and there but nothing that seriously detracted from the performance. For somebody like me who’s always liked Cook’s voice but doesn’t really like post-grunge rock and hasn’t been crazy about his post-Idol music (and who isn’t really familiar with his pre-Idol music), the tune is a reminder of the appeal of his voice.

    That being said, I know there are folks who want him to rock more freely and I wouldn’t disagree with anybody who said the song is middle of the road angsty HAC pop/rock and not a huge directional change for him. It’s just that to me, it’s that with a better, more Cook-friendly melody so that made for a nice listen. Also, dug his style tonight.

    Rooting for the guy, and for a big ol Itunes bump too.

  • Anonymous

    THR: ‘American Idol’s’ David Cook and RCA Records Part Ways

    “I’m currently without a record deal,” the season 7 winner tells THR.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com//idol-worship/american-idols-david-cook-rca-323176 

  • http://twitter.com/fergie4redskins sandra

    There are more artist than you can count who are off the major label train. They put out singles, albums and tour. They’re not forced to write with hacks *cough, Tedder, Cough* and put out music that doesn’t represent them and they manage to make a decent living.
    Major labels are about the quick buck and most rock acts are just not going to provide that for them. They are increasingly single driven and throw all their support behind flashy pop/dance artists. Great if that’s the music that interest you but there’s a whole lot of people who seek out something different. David may never appeal to Top40 radio in it’s current form but there is an audience for him.

    I feel no sadness for David. I’m a big fan and *his* musical instincts appeal to me and the idea that now fans will get an unfiltered David who doesn’t have to play the major label games is kinda thrilling. I’m in it for the long haul. Go David!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GEE7ION6BPL2BYNNHADS6AVCJM wutwut

    Well, thank you Simon Fuller! haha. Loved the song!

  • Listening

    Well it’s as many of us suspected he’s been let go. I know he’ll be fine but I still want to tear up a bit.

  • Anonymous

     Let’s see if I got this right… according to that THR article, his contract was up after TLM… so he’s been without a label since last year?  After just 2 albums? Is that common? The other David released 3 CD’s, how come he had a contract for just 2? It gets curiouser and curiouser….

  • Anonymous

    I say good for David.  I suspected this when TLSIWFY went up on Amazon with nothing about RCA.  HE is in control now and with the new technology at his disposal  he can get his music out much quicker.  He’s still with XIX so he still will have management pulling for him.  He has made numerous connections in the business.  He will be fine.  Just a warning for all the other Idols.  

  • CircadianDomination

    David’s genre of music hasn’t sold in general lately… It’s not just him. I was half-expecting RCA to give him another album, but I guess not.

    On the performance – great vocal. Loved it, and it’s getting a decent sized bump on Itunes as well. Heh, RCA, maybe the problem isn’t that America isn’t open to buying music from Cook. Maybe the problem was that the single they released off of TLM wasn’t that good.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    I figured with the song being self released that Dave was no longer with RCA.  With the first two singles from TLM failing to connect with radio listeners resulting with poor album sales that the handwriting was on the wall.  I wasn’t as in love with TLM as I was with DCTR although I do appreciate what Dave did with it and why he chose to do this type of album the second time around.  Watching him perform on the AI stage is always a treat but there is nothing like seeing him live and I’m so thankful that I had the opportunity to do that. 

    I know he will land back on his feet and continue to make music.  One thing is for sure, Simon Fuller has always been in his corner.  

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    Tim Halperin thinks Cook plagiarized his song.

    Colton Dixon @CDixonAI11
    @timhalperin cooks new song was kinda familiar…….

    Tim Halperin @timhalperin
    @CDixonAI11 haha yeah…I didn’t realize @thedavidcook and I were playin ‘Simon Says’ http://bit.ly/jZyDzs @KiddKraddick

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     testing

  • Tess

    Idol winners have/had a contract for a minimum of 4 albums with Sony/RCA…the only catch being that the label was/is free to terminate at any time but the artist must stay with the label for 4 albums as long as they are “wanted”.  This is a very standard recording contract.  Kelly’s contract was for 4 albums with RCA having an option for two more….so after her next album she is free to go label shopping.

  • Karen C

    Hopefully this will work out for the best for him,  he did awesome tonight, and I’ve noticed he’s been happier.   I’m wondering if this has something to do with a joint venture that Simon Fuller is involved in that I read about.
     
    One think that I think is significant is that the song is classified as rock, so probably that’s the direction he does want to go in. I do think that was part of the problem with the last album was that it was marketed as pop.  His concerts were mostly rock with a few ballads. 
     
    He also has said that he would rather write music with people he knows than strangers like the last two albums.
     
    It’s great that it is climbing the rock chart on Itunes also.   

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Not a surprise. Now I want to hear what he comes up with!

  • Karen C

    I’m thinking TIm Halperin is kidding, saw video and the songs were not alike in any way other than the name.  After hearing his song, I can’t see how anyone would think the songs are the same.

  • Anonymous

    David is the best contestant who has ever been on the show in my opinion. Though I don’t love much of his post idol music, I would rather listen to him any day over the remaining contestants this season.

  • http://twitter.com/poppetawoppet Emily

    I’m not surprised, and I’m not happy and I’m not a lot of things. I do like the song, and I know that David seems happy where he is, and I’ll have to trust in that for right now. Hopefully the next step is possibly a smaller label, or a label with less expectations or whatever gets him making music

    (TLM defender for life. I think the combination of label shuffling/management shuffle/and a love it or hate record did it in)

  • CircadianDomination

    The songs aren’t similar other than the title lyric. Tim can make a big deal out of it, but he doesn’t really have a good case.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    i-tunes:
    51.  The Last Song I’ll Write for You – David Cook

  • Anonymous

     Whiskey, you failed to  post the follow-up tweets… but misinterpretation runs rampant on this blog as usual.  His followup tweets are on his twitter stream. ;)

  • Anonymous

    RCA holds the options (5 after first album) for a new album they may have notified David that they were not going to pick up his option for a 3rd album or offered to pick up the option on their terms but David declined thus they part ways mutually. Also, David could have asked to be released from his contract & RCA obliged.

  • Anonymous

    Aww, but the writing was on the wall with his poor (for him) sales.  Hoping he can continue to put his music out in a way that is not just limited to his hardcore fans.  

    It was decent of Idol to give him a performance slot even though Cook did not have an album to promote (or maybe they were clueless).Anyways, I thought he sounded great and the AI hacks did a decent job — was able to hear the nuances in his voice and the instrumentation.  He sounded a bit hoarse but looked comfortable and I believed his performance.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    I think both guys are asses but I was surprise because I thought Colton liked Cook.

  • CircadianDomination

    LOL didn’t read Tim’s follow-up tweet. Nice.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    Tim is being called out by the fans. He’s backtracking.

  • CircadianDomination

    I’m pretty sure Colton was joking.

  • Anonymous

    Always liked Cook. Like this song too. 

  • Anonymous

     Let’s see if I got this right… according to that THR article, his contract was up after TLM… so he’s been without a label since last year?  After just 2 albums?

    No, what it means is that they came to a point where the label had to negotiate with him earlier than Jive did with Archuleta.  It’s not standard from what we know about 19/Sony contracts, but given his iTunes sales, I can see RCA sweetening the deal to get him over another imprint.  It theoretically gives the artist more power, since a longer contract with more options is on the label’s terms, and a renegotiation is more on the artist’s (see: Clarkson, Kelly and Underwood, Carrie).

    That said, I think if they’d been on the same page going forward, they’d have mutually agreed to continue.

    We’ll see what’s next.

  • Anonymous

    Unsurprised about this news after seeing this single was being self-released. David will land on his feet, although he may not ever have the big commercial success he did when he first came off Idol. His style of music doesn’t seem to be the sort that is selling right now. But he will continue to be able to make music, tour, etc. 

    He seems happy/at peace with all this, so good for him. I wish him luck in whatever direction he decides to go from here.

  • http://twitter.com/fergie4redskins sandra

    Hmmm…..it seems like according to Shirley’s article, that David had a deal for 2 albums. He fulfilled the contract and either RCA didn’t pick up an option for a 3rd or David could have re-uped with a new contract and decided not to.

    I don’t think there is some standard Idol contract. Each contestant coming of the show is free to hire their own attorney and negotiate their own deal. If David managed to commit to only 2 albums then I’m going to say he’s damn smart or he had a hell of a smart entertainment lawyer. Either way, onward and upward. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    Still feels weird that he only got 2 albums. I’ll never understand all this label stuff. RCA seems like a crappy label lately. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001571418856 Dee Miggel

    Yeah I’m soooooooo excited for more of David Cook now that he is free to do his own stuff without the pressures of RCA dads to kick his ass.  This time he should be able to collaborate with other fantabulous artists.  The world is yours for the taking David.

  • justmefornow

    Colton should be so be so lucky to have half of Cook’s success. 
    Poser.

  • d george

    Well I’m sad but excited. I love that he’ll have creative control. My favorite songs were the ones he wrote himself or with Neil and Andy. I’m glad he’s still with Simon Fuller. I think he’ll surprise everyone.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mauricio-Daniel-Arizmendi-Perez/100000110367379 Mauricio Daniel Arizmendi Pere

    Another floped winner…despite the succes of his first album…and come on people! I know you are trying to keep it positive about Cookie, but this is a mess

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mauricio-Daniel-Arizmendi-Perez/100000110367379 Mauricio Daniel Arizmendi Pere

    Another floped winner…despite the succes of his first album…and come on people! I know you are trying to keep it positive about Cookie, but this is a mess

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mauricio-Daniel-Arizmendi-Perez/100000110367379 Mauricio Daniel Arizmendi Pere

    Another floped winner…despite the succes of his first album…and come on people! I know you are trying to keep it positive about Cookie, but this is a mess

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/F5DKYYL52SAPHJ2SVHFPA4BSXI private

    they can’t afford to keep him, he is not making money for the label so that is why he is no longer with the label.  David is a product, so if the product doesn’t sell and make money for the company (label), they move on to the next one.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IKAPTNAJ2NDD2P5QWGFWGEY6ME Mary

    Loved David and the new song on Idol, he looked and sounded great. I am looking forward to seeing what David comes up with now that he’s not having to do the pop sound so much.

  • http://www.facebook.com/judy.charette1 Judy Charette

    I wish nothing but the best for Cook in the future. I will bet Kris, and Adam are in the same boat. I read that Sony is in the red big time, so there is going to be a lot of cuts if they are to get past economy. Good luck to Lee, Cook, Kris,and Adam.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/F5DKYYL52SAPHJ2SVHFPA4BSXI private

    He may owe the label money too.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s see if I got this right… according to that THR article, his contract was up after TLM… so he’s been without a label since last year?  After just 2 albums? Is that common? The other David released 3 CD’s, how come he had a contract for just 2? It gets curiouser and curiouser….

    I think this is a case of Shirley being a fangirl.  I doubt that either just had a deal for two or three cds.  I guess it’s still accurate to say that their contracts were done, instead of saying that RCA or Jive didn’t want to pick up their next option.  

  • CircadianDomination

    How is it a mess? Idol’s a machine. As long as it produces winners that have successful first albums, it’ll continue to chug along. David was able to do big numbers coming off of Idol, so it’s not like his lack of huge mainstream success with his second album is causing any disservice to Idol.

    From a fan’s standpoint, it’s interesting. I’ll be excited to see where he goes musically with his next album, without the pressure of a major label. I do have mixed feelings about the split, but like Halperin said, the road ahead is wide open.

  • Anonymous

    David did great on Idol tonight – I loved it!  Sorry to hear about parting ways with RCA and I just hope he doesn’t owe them any money – from what I’ve read about big labels, they can be rather unkind if you fail to produce the money for them they expect.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     It’s called spin :) Her wording sure implies he just had a 2 album deal. I’m no expert or contract guru, but that’s the impression left with me, and others… Doesn’t matter now anyway for him. No label is no label.

  • http://twitter.com/RonnieDRocks Ronnie D

    Never really cared for Cook. To me he always seemed very mediocre and kind of boring. His last album flopped and I think the label just had enough of him. 

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think there is some standard Idol contract. Each contestant coming of the show is free to hire their own attorney and negotiate their own deal.

    That’s not the case.  19 doesn’t give the top 40 a lot of options.  Over the last few years 19 has let the top 40 vote on which of three law firms they want to represent them.  The contract for season 8 and Scotty’s, pretty much spell out how many albums the contestants can get, and how long they are obligated to be with 19R.  

  • Anonymous

    American Idol is a TV show, not a star maker.  Nothing to see here.  Move along.

  • Anonymous

    I think the song was written with RCA in mind.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     Say what? How? I’m a newbie with a lot of this stuff, but how could he owe them money if they drop him?

  • Anonymous

    If he does owe them money, his performance royalties from future sales of DCTR & TLM will go towards reducing that. It’s not like he has to write them a check.

  • Anonymous

    Sony Corp. was in the red but Sony Music was not.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     ”How is it a mess? Idol’s a machine. As long as it produces winners that
    have successful first albums, it’ll continue to chug along.”

    If they’re content to produce winners or contestants that have just one successful album, then that makes the charge by the industry of Idols being ‘manufactured’ and ‘disposable’ true… it would validate the disrespect they get vis a vis the ‘Idol stigma’… if Idol has devolved into this – or if they’ve always been this way, we’re seeing their real colors now – then I guess a lot of fans will be in for some rude surprises like Cook fans just got…

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry to hear that but the bright side is him having creative control over the future songs and productions. Seems to me that it means much less pressure on the songwriting. It’s my guess that if it took so long to release album #2 it went along with some disagreements about the songs to put on – i might be wrong though.
    love his voice. Saw him in concert and would go again but album 2 was not that much in my tastes  

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    He may owe the label money too.

    Major-label contracts generally don’t work that way. An artist’s advance is his/hers to keep and is not paid back. The label will not pay certain royalties until it has made back from music sales the amount it spent on the advance — but the artist doesn’t have to repay directly.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    He may owe the label money too.

    Major-label contracts generally don’t work that way. An artist’s advance is his/hers to keep and is not paid back. The label will not pay certain royalties until it has made back from music sales the amount it spent on the advance — but the artist doesn’t have to repay directly.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    The problem is people in AI had been harping that they are star makers :( AI is in dire need for another Kelly Clarkson as the winner.   

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    The problem is people in AI had been harping that they are star makers :( AI is in dire need for another Kelly Clarkson as the winner.   

  • Anonymous

    Don’t see much difference between this song and the other stuff that David has written. Maybe a little more current sounding/radio friendly? 

  • Anonymous

    I’m not at all sorry to hear that Dave is no longer with RCA.  It was not a good fit, so they parted ways.  We don’t know how or if its amicable, but looks like Dave got a great song out of it.  Dave’s a super talented guy with a huge excited fanbase, a self-released song that’s kicking some butt, and alot of friends and good will in the music biz.  Now that he will no longer be constrained by an ill-fitting suit, I can’t wait to see what the future has in store.  

    It’s not just to feel better – major labels are no longer the be-all and end-all for a successful music career.  Sure, if you’re a wannabe pop star, they’re great.  But as a rock artist, especially with the Idol baggage, RCA was more of an entanglement than anything else.  So many resources used to prop up something that doesn’t really exist.  But I am grateful for some nice songs along the way. 

    And now – onward, and upward!

  • d george

    I’ve been listening to the new song on repeat for the last hour. Love it. It’s just pretty, and so is his voice. Nice melody.

  • Anonymous

    Good luck to David going forward. I too am one of those people who love his voice, while not really caring for his music. Really enjoyed this performance. He sounded great. Looked right nice too.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JSP727NMTNZTGZOULUGOH6G3CI Beth Fischer

    So Sad.. He deserved to win season 7, it was the first season i watched and have been hooked ever since, so this is sad to me…
    It also disappoints me that he gets grouped with the people who shouldnt have won Idol. (Kris,Lee, and somewhat scotty?)

    I beleive if we had a more diverse set of winners after he won, his second album would have done better… but the guy-after-guy winners drained his sales.

    On a good note, this IDOL performance is a GREAT way to start off life with no label! His song is #2 on Rock on Itunes.

    Best of Luck Cook !

  • Anonymous

    Well, damn. Not a lot more to say. David deserves more success than he’s received. The universe must have something else spectacular in store for him. I wish him all that and more!

  • aga

    Great performance on idol tonight. I think if David stayed with RCA, he will have to wait forever to release new music. He loves to create new music, so he is free to mass produce now.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t see much difference between this song and the other stuff that David has written. Maybe a little more current sounding/radio friendly?

    That’s a huge difference, since David’s biggest problem seemed to be that he went out of his way to make sure that his songs were not radio friendly or current.  If he’d done this with the last album, he’d probably still have a contract.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t see much difference between this song and the other stuff that
    David has written. Maybe a little more current sounding/radio friendly?

    No do I, and I think that it is only marginally sounding more current.

    I was a massive massive fan of him during Idol, but have been very disappointed with what he has done since.

    The thing is, on Idol, after Billie Jean gate, he changed all the arrangements himself, and besides his voice, his strenght was that he managed to make old songs sound current, fresh, arty and dynamic.

    Since then, he has turned to bombastic AC power ballads (starting on the Idol tour!!!), and I thought that RCA might me behind this.
    I was hoping that a self-released song without label interference would bear the trademark of what made the old Cook great.

    But this is definitely not it. His live performance was quite good, but the song his too bleh to turn it into something great!

  • Anonymous

    Huh?  Kris, Lee and Scotty winning Idol has nothing to do with how David did in terms of sales. Especially since Kris, Lee and Scotty are all very different artists, both from each other and from Cook. 

  • CircadianDomination

    Well, that is exactly what Idol is. Don’t blame the contestants; blame the process. It’s a television show; people move on to the next season, to their next favorite. That doesn’t mean the contestants on the show are necessarily manufactured, it just means that the majority of their fans aren’t going to stick around for the long haul. 

    Idol hasn’t created a true “star” since Carrie, and I don’t think it’s in Idol to produce another star. That doesn’t invalidate Cook’s win, nor does it impend doom for the franchise. Idol will be fine, as will Cook.

  • Anonymous

    I heard this, and it just made me so sad. But, he’ll be fine. And who knows, maybe it will lead him to better opportunities. He has made some very good connections in the industry.

    I liked the single MUCH better than the snippet—which I should have known, it’s almost always the case. And David sounded great. Don’t know why Ryan couldn’t have taken 2 minutes to talk to him after, though.

  • CircadianDomination

    I think “Let Me Fall For You” was current enough to get at least more HAC play than TLG, but that’s a dead horse, lol.

  • Indigobunting

    Aw, they are all biting the dust :(  Who will be next?  Several candidates.  I think Sony isn’t interested in artist development just big sales-not just decent sales.  Anyone who isn’t on their way to Gold on the fast train with their album better start making back up plans…..

    Good luck Cookie- you are my all time Idol contestant favorite!

  • Anonymous

    I gave a listen to David’s last album and it was a downer lyric wise and musically. While the lyrical stance reflected David’s state of mind when writing the songs, it certainly didn’t make for catchy hits. Compare it to Kelly Clarkson. She may write about how she’s been wronged, but there’s always a bit of fight in the lyrics plus the music is fun pop/rock. So I certainly don’t blame RCA for dropping him…

  • Anonymous

    I’m so sad to hear this. I love his post Idol cd, but the last one just wasn’t very good. You never know, this could be a blessing in disguise. Perhaps another label will pick him up and give him some decent songs.

  • Anonymous

    If you saw David last weekend like those that went to NoH & RfH in Washington, DC you would not be sad.  He was the happiest and most relaxed that I’ve ever seen him.  He’s in a good place right now and is able to write what he wants with whom he wants. 

    During his banter he said some things which made many of us wonder if things were changing with the label -  references to A & R & the label changing his lyrics for example.  So for me, this wasn’t a surprise.  I’m looking forward to what happens next with him.  It should be something to watch.

  • Nele621

    I thought many people said that Cook had more creative control on this second album, and that he and his fans were happy that he got to put out an album that he was happy with. Even if that meant it wouldn’t be as commercial and sell as much, but this album was more him than the first “commercial” one.

  • Anonymous

    Wow so Scotty is the only male idol winner with his original label(technically Kris moved from Jive to RCA). But since it was a merger, it’s Kris and Scotty.

  • Anonymous

    Best of luck to David Cook!

    I was fortunate enough to attend a show of his once and meet him after — he’s a stand up guy with a ton of talent. 
    As I’ve learned very well in the past year or so, a major record label deal is no longer required to have a viable career. There are so many amazing ways to get your music out there now.

    I can’t wait to see how he takes advantage of all the opportunities now open to him.

  • http://twitter.com/DCfanfromMo pat

    Do we even see or hear the last Voice winner??

  • Anonymous

    Nice job by David.  I really like the song a lot & downloaded it.  The production is so much more current than the album (which I also bought).  The chorus is great.

    If RCA wasn’t a good mutual fit, then David will likely be happier in the long run. I’m sure he’ll be fine and will continue making music for his fans.

  • Anonymous

    Regarding the record contracts, I’m certainly not an expert but I have read quite a bit about them online, and from what I read it sounds like artists with big record labels can definitely be sued by their label for their advance back, if they do not make enough in sales to satisfy all the expenses the record label put out in the making and promoting of an album.  I could link something here with more information if anyone is interested. 

  • Anonymous

    Eh, I get what the person is saying in relation to Kris and Lee and their affect on David. It’s all in the perception out there. When the WGWG negative stories started coming out last year, David got lumped in (wrongly) with Kris and Lee as not-so-successful and the problem with Idol by the media. When Pia got eliminated those stories increased. Those kind of stories don’t help anyone when they’re entering a promo cycle.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t watch S7 until after (the near instantaneous uploading of vids is a more recent phenomenon and if it was going on then I didn’t know about it).

    Outside of the context of the competition, I found that there are literally three performances that I’ve made a point of hearing again.  I’ve found at least six songs, if not more, worth playlisting on my iPod from each album.  That’s on target with several of the albums I buy and better than many.

    So, to each their own, but I’m way more a fan of Cook as a writer than as a singer and certainly more than as a former contestant.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    I thought many people said that Cook had more creative control on this second album, and that he and his fans were happy that he got to put out an album that he was happy with.

    Cook has always talked as if he ended up with a fairly high level of creative control with TLM, and his A&R guy raved about the opening track. There’s some reason to believe the creative control was really there, since several known cowrites with unlikely pop hitmakers did not get tracked on the album, while a late band cowrite did. That said, “fairly high level of creative control” still has its limitations, and Cook’s been telling more of those stories lately.

  • HappyDaisy

    Happy that Cook and band delivered a fine performance on Idol.  Great song.

    Sad about the situation.

    The claim that all of the songs on This Loud Morning are “downers” is inaccurate.

    We Believe, Hard To Believe, Right Here With You, Fade Into Me - all positive in tone.

    The opener Circadian and the closer REM are tied together. It’s coherent, it’s art.  So fortunate that I saw him on the recent tour. 

    If people hate ”downer” songs why did Adele’s album go multi-platinum?

  • Listening

    Well now maybe we’ll get stuff sooner like if we beg him he’ll throw us a bone. I remember when we were complaining to RCAED he kept saying stuff like everything has to be timed and coordinated now that David’s on his own it’s whenever he wants too.

    I think he might create a set up like Green River Ordinance they got material out  funded entirely by their fans. They offered prizes dependent on how much you gave  from private concerts, to writing songs w/ them, them calling you etc. Just a bunch of stuff that went from monetary amounts of $25 to $10,000 I believe.

    Oh also does this mean David Cook Official is going away?

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    Oh also does this mean David Cook Official is going away?

    Yes. Fans should start archiving pronto!!! Save everything.

  • Anonymous

    I think both of the Voice’s winners are going to open for Adam at one of the radio concert.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    thirdtime, the lawsuits I’ve seen involve either a band breaking up after receiving an advance but before delivering an album (explained here) or the label suing a band for failing to deliver a commercially viable album on time (as happened to 30STM here). Sony and Incubus had a ruckus of lawsuits in 2003 about royalty payments versus advances (here), but Sony’s suit against Incubus was a countersuit to Incubus’ efforts to get out of its contract. None of these situations really applies to Cook, especially as he’s giving the sense that the parting was amicable.

    That said, I’m always interested in seeing people’s links to interesting articles.

  • Anonymous

    As happens with all musicians.  Nothing new.  No one here knows what kind of contract he had.  Just because you “think the label just had enough of him” it could have been the other way around and Cook had enough of the label and he was in a position to get out.  God knows they picked the worst songs to release (he had much better ones on TLM) but I’m sure there was a deal with coughTeddercough and Cook was the one that got screwed.

  • Anonymous

    Oh also does this mean David Cook Official is going away?

    Eventually it will but it seems to take months before RCA finally takes it down.

  • Anonymous

    Has nothing to do with Kris, Lee or anyone. The relevance of Idol in the mainstream market is severely diminishing. Look at what is happening on radio. The more recent Idols have experienced it on their first go around, now it is coming back to bite the Idols on their second eras. Simon leaving, Sony pulling out, the recent wave of copycat singing shows and their winners have just as much to do with it. RCA is getting out of the Idol game, it’s pretty clear at this point.

  • Kitwana

    Good for Cook taking control of his career and doing what he wants to do.

    So Cook and Archie seem to have had a similar experience with their labels except that Archie did 3 albums, turned down Jives offer for a 4th album, and continues to work with Sony Asia including an Asian Tour in 2011. I read Shirley Halperin’s article on Cook’s departure that MJ linked above and then I re-read her hatchet job on Archie’s departure. Compare the headline, sources and info highlighted in the two articles. Why does nobody seem to call this woman out on her blatant bias and bullshit!

  • Nele621

    I seriously don’t think “lumping” Kris and Lee with Cook and labeling them WGWGs has anything to do with Cook’s low sales and being dropped by RCA.

  • Anonymous

    Any new music will be his without anything going to RCA.  That is the good thing.  Break away and anything you do now is yours after expenses.  Taylor Hicks is doing quite well producing his own records, and he has said in interviews he makes more now than he ever did under a label.

  • Anonymous

    Or not because we don’t know what his original contract called for.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    As is David Archuleta. He seems to have made out like a bandit financially with tours and gigs overseas that did very well after his contract ended… he’s on mission now, but maybe he can send Cook a tweet of encouragement :) 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     ITA – Well said.

  • Anonymous

    Cook was and is not a fun pop/rocker.  He has always said he was rock.  You also don’t “know” that RCA dropped him.  Just like when Archie left his label, everyone “assumed” he was dropped, when in fact his contract was over.  Cook said his contract was over after album 2.  Doesn’t mean he was “dropped”, just means they couldn’t come to renegotiated terms and Cook and the label parted ways.

  • Anonymous

    The idol contracts for the winners are pretty standard. Even the contract Scotty signed with UMG/Interscope has the same terms as the Sony contract on the number of options the label has after the first album.

  • Anonymous

    David sounds good enough and all,  but to me all of his stuff sounds the same with different words.  I know artists have a style and thats what we like about them, but I never feel like ever zepplin song sounded like the next zepplin song or that all the stones songs were the same basic feelling or sound or queen etc. 

    But, I’m sure to fans they all sound different and unquie and the could listed to a dozen of them in a row and look forward to each next song in the order in anticpation ?

    I hope im not being grumpy.

    As for ido’s success its so huge its amazing.  The odds of 1 out of 100 people breaking into the music industry having any commercial success is tiny.

    If 1 out of 5 winners had more than one well selling album that would be an incredible beating of the oddd.   The fact that people from almost every season have found continued ways  to earn a living as performers in the music business (beyond being a wedding singer which of course they’re all qualified for ) is insane.

    Take the Kelly and Carrie out of the picture and the combined number of stars is a huge success.  If you only had Jenifer hudson doing what she’s done and every single one of the other 200 prime time constestants never did a thing, that would still be a pretty sucessful game show to have disovered a talent one year out of 10 . 

  • Anonymous

    David sounds good enough and all,  but to me all of his stuff sounds the same with different words.  I know artists have a style and thats what we like about them, but I never feel like ever zepplin song sounded like the next zepplin song or that all the stones songs were the same basic feelling or sound or queen etc. 

    But, I’m sure to fans they all sound different and unquie and the could listed to a dozen of them in a row and look forward to each next song in the order in anticpation ?

    I hope im not being grumpy.

    As for ido’s success its so huge its amazing.  The odds of 1 out of 100 people breaking into the music industry having any commercial success is tiny.

    If 1 out of 5 winners had more than one well selling album that would be an incredible beating of the oddd.   The fact that people from almost every season have found continued ways  to earn a living as performers in the music business (beyond being a wedding singer which of course they’re all qualified for ) is insane.

    Take the Kelly and Carrie out of the picture and the combined number of stars is a huge success.  If you only had Jenifer hudson doing what she’s done and every single one of the other 200 prime time constestants never did a thing, that would still be a pretty sucessful game show to have disovered a talent one year out of 10 . 

  • Anonymous

    Just a warning for Kris and Scotty fans.

  • Anonymous

    Just a warning for Kris and Scotty fans.

  • Anonymous

    Blaming the “WGWG” negative stories as the reason for being dropped is ridiculous, IMO. If the cd was good, it would have sold. It just wasn’t any good.

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t really clear on the record label thing and I’m sure you are probably right that they are not often sued, only in special circumstances.  In all the things I read, it said they can be sued for recoupment of costs, but I’m sure that is rare or we would be hearing of lawsuits all the time when artists are dropped or leave their record labels.  They probably just instead agree to part ways when it doesn’t work out any longer.  And in David’s case, he did sell quite a bit with the first album so the label made their money from him.  I really hope for the best for him in the future. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     LOL – she didn’t get the memo s7 was over, heh… Anyhoo – life after Idol is a beach… noone should be feeling like their fave is safe or untouchable, unless you’re fans of Carrie or Kelly right now… these labels aren’t playing around. You better be about selling, or your ass is out the door.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     LOL – she didn’t get the memo s7 was over, heh… Anyhoo – life after Idol is a beach… noone should be feeling like their fave is safe or untouchable, unless you’re fans of Carrie or Kelly right now… these labels aren’t playing around. You better be about selling, or your ass is out the door.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder how much of a cut he gets from the single sales now.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder how much of a cut he gets from the single sales now.

  • Anonymous

    I your opinion not mine.

  • Anonymous

    I think you are wrong about that. Taylor Hicks is trying to get picked up by a label.

  • Anonymous

    The song is currently #51 on iTunes

  • Anonymous

    Taylor released his second album The Distance under his own label, Modern Whomp Records.  I believe he’s trying to do a combo deal with a major label for promo and distribution but not give up publishing rights.

  • Anonymous

    Well, I certainly wish him luck with that.

  • MissMyEm

    Good luck David.  I hope other Idol winners who have been treated shabbily by both 19E and RCA follow his lead.

    Seems like he’s talking to RCA with the title of the new song.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    seriously?” At this point I think David should release a CD of covers. His covers are unbeatable.

  • Anonymous

    Eh, I get what the person is saying in relation to Kris and Lee and their affect on David. It’s all in the perception out there

    The problem is that beyond the AI audience, nobody cares about this.  And even in the idol audience, only a small fraction of the people care.

    Most people aren’t going to buy an album just because someone was on a tv show, they are going to buy it because of the music.  Lee, Kris, David, Adam, Jordin and everybody else had the chance to introduce their music to the larger music buying public, and if they didn’t take advantage of that opportunity, and go beyond just being someone from a reality tv show, then that’s on them, their management, label, and the music that they released, and not on anyone else.

    In the real world, the basic premise that Lee and Kris hurt David makes no sense.  The alums aren’t just trying to sell music to those who watch the show, and none of them are dumb enough to think that they are going to build any type of career off of their AI popularity, because most people just don’t care.  

  • Anonymous

    Everyone’s situation is very different and one can’t lump them all together.

  • Anonymous

    These sappy songs he keeps writing and performing are terrible. 
    Based on his post idol material, he is one of the worst winners ever, if not the worst. Regardless of his first album sales.

  • Anonymous

    if they didn’t take advantage of that opportunity, and go beyond just being someone from a reality tv show, then that’s on them, their management, label, and the music that they released, and not on anyone else.

    But if media gatekeepers create a self-fulfilling prophecy by assuming that they are “just people from reality shows” and therefore don’t play their music, thus making it harder for them to build bridges, then it isn’t just artist/label/management involved in that decision-making.

    Only a handful of tracks are truly undeniable, and yet plenty of serviceable, pleasant songs get to be hits anyway.  If AI fatigue means that airplay accrues to serviceable pleasant song from Unaffiliated Artist X that is close to, but maybe not quite as good as, serviceable pleasant song from Former Reality Contestant Y, then it’s not just about the artists not doing enough.  It’s about the gatekeepers not letting them do more.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    burnnnnn

    *FANS SELF*

    feels like chuch up in heah :)

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know how RCA expects to make any money back from their
    artists if they fail to promote that artist or push for adds. I do
    believe that RCA is getting out of the Idol business except for those of
    their darlings, Carrie, Kelly and Daughtry, who luckily enough were
    able to establish themselves when RCA was in the Idol business several
    years ago.

    Now…RCA is not affiliated with Idol and they probably don’t care.

    Not only is RCA not affiliated with Idol, but Sony owns Syco and therefore the X Factor franchise jointly with Simon Cowell.
    Heer’s is one article that mentions it, ther are others:
    http://www.examiner.com/article/the-x-factor-franchise-expands-to-40-territories-sweden-and-georgia-added
    Considering that Idol competes with the X Factor as both a TV show and a label, I suspect that they have little incentive to promote Idol alums, except those who are making lots of money for them, Carrie, Kelly and Daughtry until recently.

  • Anonymous

    David sounds so fantastic. This is the best performance of the season. Can he win again?

  • gferna

    Well, another piece of the puzzle found its place.  If he is self-promoting, that is the reason he is selling his 1.3 million house.  That sucks… Its a lot of pressure for the other guys like Adam, Kris…  How many Cd’s do you have to sell to be “safe”?  None of the latest idols CD’s has reached 1 million.  For a guy like Adam, losing RCA could be devastated.

  • Anonymous

    An article I saw some months ago he said he was producing his own music through a company he started and he was making more off of each record than he ever did with a label.  Anyway he’s got the Vegas gig now.

  • Anonymous

    So the speculation is over and DC/RCA are no more?

    Ok then – looking forward to what happens next.

    Can’t watch the performance now, because I’m off to work, but will look forward to seeing it later tonight.

    Still love the song, still love the music – and, because I’m a selfish little so and so am perfectly happy that he has regained ‘creative control’!

    Hope he’s happy with how things have turned out, but if it wasn’t a decision that he was expecting then I’m sure he will find a way to be happy with it and move on.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not saying that the WGWG slant actually made RCA drop him, but press lumping them together diluted each of their brands in a way. People often say that negative press is partly what caused both Lee and Kris to sell less than prior winners, so maybe by being lumped there in articles didn’t help Cookie with the media. There have been many complaints that a lot of media outlets didn’t even review TLM, almost dismissing or ignoring him. It’s just a theory as to why, no biggie.

  • Anonymous

    Gferna, Adams album has sold close to 2 million per RCA press releases, this includes International of course. I really don’t see why losing RCA would be any more devastating “for a guy like Adam” as it is for any of them. Adam, like the others, have other entertainment opportunities available to them if that would happen.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, his own Modern Whomp music label was the label imprint of his second album. Just to show that financially, releasing an album thru your own label is, or can be very profitable – way moreso that selling thru a major label.  You just need a vehicle to promote it.  That’s the hard part. I wish David good luck… he’ll need it out there.

  • Anonymous

    “MelanieT1111 3 minutes ago I’m not saying that the WGWG slant actually made RCA drop him, but press lumping them together diluted each of their brands in a way. People often say that negative press is partly what caused both Lee and Kris to sell less than prior winners, so maybe by being lumped there in articles didn’t help Cookie with the media. There have been many complaints that a lot of media outlets didn’t even review TLM, almost dismissing or ignoring him. It’s just a theory as to why, no biggie.”

    For what it’s worth, I think you raised a realy interesting and valid point. And you are right also about the reviews. It’s not that he got terrible reviews or something for TLM, rather,too few major publications bothered to review it for him to even get a metacritic score. Still sad about that. Even a couple of high profile bad or lukewarm reviews would have raised TLM’s profile. David himself once said “better to be hated than ignored”, or something to that effect.

  • http://twitter.com/tkfabeck Tess Fabeck

    Reminds me a lot of what happened to Nate Ruess (singer from fun.). His first band The Format had a major label record deal with Atlantic, but they got dropped during the making of their second album. The first fun. album was released on an independent label and they were stalled for a bit until they found a major label that suited their needs. And now look where they are. There are always second and third chances in the industry if you play your cards right and find a little bit of luck… RCA was clearly not the right fit for David, so hopefully he finds a label that suits him. Simon Fuller still seems to value him as an artist, so he’s in good hands management wise, which is half the battle in the recording industry. 

    As far as independently releasing music goes, Amanda Palmer is making waves over on Kickstarter. In the past 10 days she’s raised $625,000 for her new album, and she’s still got 20 days to raise money. That’s a lot more financial support than most professional musicians get from labels, and it all goes directly to her – no middleman. Now, obviously she has some celebrity pull (famous husband, famous friends, etc…) and has been building her fan base for years, but I feel like if David keeps pushing the next couple of years and continues to build his base he could raise enough to comfortably release music on his own terms…  

  • http://twitter.com/Amy617 Amy Hyun

    This is how you sing, Phil. Take some notes. I love David Cook! Love his voice!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roger-Kramjet/100003524695403 Roger Kramjet

    I have to disagree about his hair. What the heck was up with his hair? I seriously could not get over how jacked up it was in the back and on the sides. I would bXtch slap the hair stylist that did that within an inch of his/her life. Shudder.

    I tuned in tonight to hear David and was not in LOVE with the song. I still like him and I liked it but was not in love with it. My husband watched it tonight (he is a Cook fan) and agreed that it was jus alright.

    I wish him all the best and hope he sells a ton of albums and singles but dude fire that hair stylist stat. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roger-Kramjet/100003524695403 Roger Kramjet

    Colton comes across badly in this. Not a huge fan of Colton’s but his tweet about Cook made me angry.

  • Nele621

    I don’t know why wanting to get out from a major label is good unless you have other great options lined up. I thought Cook was thrilled to be with a major label, and that was his dream. Selling his house with a beautiful studio couldn’t have been a happy decision for Cook.

  • Anonymous

    The problem is that beyond the AI audience, nobody cares about this.  

    but that’s only because beyond AI audience nobody cares about Cook, Kris an Lee…if they’d care of course this would be discussed too. It’s a valid point.

    The alums aren’t just trying to sell music to those who watch the show 

    but that’s exactly to whom they are selling albums, they fail to sell outside of it and that’s why they keep losing label contracts, simple as that

    Cook and Lee don’t have the contract anymore and the only reason why Kris has it is that he was able to at least sell 1 song outside of idol audience, he failed to sell his album too.

    Anyway it’s off topic here.

  • Nele621

    Why would it be more devastating for Lambert to get dumped by RCA than anyone else? Because it is more difficult for someone gay to be signed to a major label?

  • Anonymous

    Based on all the songs he has written or co-written pre and post Idol that I have heard, I don’t think anymore that he is a good enough songwriter to make it a career. He’ll  need to branch out to other music related work, or go back to his original pans to become a graphics designer if he wants a decent living.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NLXM46IAOVG243IYSOJNUHL3TA Rob

    To be honest, I liked David’s Pre-Idol album Analog Heart waaaaaay more than anything he put out Post-Idol.

    Be interested to see if his music changes now he’s “free” or will it just continue in all-sounds-the- same vein of his post-idol music

  • aga

    It really bothers me that people lump David, Kris and Lee together. Don’t you remember David sold 1.3 million copies of his debut album? *sigh

  • Anonymous

    I liked Analog Heart, it was a decent indie album, but he needed to improve on it to move on to the next level, and he doesn’t seem to be able to do it.
    As I said previously, I used to blame RCA for the direction of his music when he was with them, but this new song would fit perfectly on the TLM album, and RCA was not around this time.

  • breakdown

    Obviously David doesn’t have a huge fanbase or he wouldn’t be in this predicament. I do think he has a solid fanbase but I don’t know how many that is. I think an artist would rather be with a large record company than not. Producing your own recordings is risky business. Luckily he doesn’t have a family to support. Saying lack of sales is due to any other idols is ridiculous. You just have to have a sound that is currently selling.

  • Karen C

    but that’s exactly to whom they are selling albums, they fail to sell outside of it and that’s why they keep losing label contracts, simple as that

    The thing is, though, is if those from Idol are given the resources that other new artists are.  It seems to me that at least for the recent Idols that were on RCA and Jive, that they only released 2 or 3 singles, even when their albums were as successful as David’s first album, where other new artists would have had many more singles.  

  • Karen C

    Having enough of a fanbase to sell over 100,000 copies of an album is pretty solid, and about normal for the type of music he is doing. If he is able to sell that amount or even close to that amount putting out music for himself, he will actually make more than he would under a major label.

    And about being with a major record company, it depends on the goals of the artist and what the goals of the record company is.   If these goals don’t match it might be best to find a better situation.

     

  • http://twitter.com/fergie4redskins sandra

    Only in the idol bubble is selling a house a sign of impending poverty, lol.
    Well it doesn’t look like David is going to be sitting around the house licking his wounds. David discusses future plans at around 1:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QV93a8zamc&feature=youtu.be 

    Tommy Hilfiger and Pearl Harbor USO gig, Asian tour and I’m sure more to come. Major labels aren’t what they used to be, plenty of artists as some posters have mentioned are doing just fine. 

    If the only music you listen to is the same 5-10 songs played 10 times a hour on CHR, then sure David is a not doing well. Me thinks he’s going to have a few idols that are soon to be releasing music joining him in being off a major.

    I think what’s great for David is that 4yrs with a major has allowed him to network with and become friends with songwriters, producers, engineers, mixers and other musicians that see the handwriting on the wall with the slow death of major labels and mainstream radio. They are happy to work outside the major label system and are doing well (GRO, Raine Maida and his band Our Lady Peace, Carolina Liar, etc).

    As someone who was at the Night of Hope benefit, all I can say is the dude was funny, candid and seemed damn happy with his life. That’s good enough for me :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ACXMFJNL4VFQDTXRZRJ2QZGTFU Kelly

    The key to longevity outside of pop is good music. I think Idol is responsible for creating the illusion that vocal talent alone can help you sell records. That’s why it attracts thousands of hopefuls every year. But that couldn’t be more wrong. You have to work hard at it, at living life – experiencing love, loss, and pain – and finding the source of vitality and creativity that allow artists to express themselves and resonate with many people. Back in the day, artists held day jobs and didn’t rush to put out records just for the heck of it. They allowed the creative process to take over until they have a great, solid music that’s hard to ignore. I think idols can learn a thing or two from the greats like Tom Waits and Leonard Cohen.

  • koshka

    I find it interesting that everyone seems to be looking backwards (and comparing previous idols) as a way to rationalize the relationship split. Selling 100K in his genre is not THAT bad, he could do better but…. a big part of the calculation could be due (below is my guess):

    1) sales expectation vs effort – the sales effort it takes to make a profit off 100K is not worth it, even if there is a profit. A slimmed down RCA has to chose which projects are going to gain them the most profit. 

    2) Shrinking genre. Someone mentioned that RCA may only be interesed in CHR & Ubran/hip hop. I rather agree. The $ potential is shrinking for HAC artists going into the future and they may be turning their backs this segment. 

  • Hazehel

    This is expected when his second album didn’t sell well.  And it is  just as well that he had parted way with RCA, the label is pretty much useless at choosing singles (really terrible first single for David Cook, and then Adam Lambert, both the worst song on their albums).  I also expect Kris Allen to split from his label soon (Adam Lambert might stay a bit longer since I think he’ll probably sell reasonably OK).

    A note to David Cook – release your songs some place where your international fans can download easily (Amazon in US for some reasons never let those outside of US download songs, and I don’t see the song listed in Amazon UK.)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     Rock singers and artists don’t seem to be priorities at RCA, let alone most other major labels. There is no more investment in artist development – established stars are on record saying this. TLM was just not the album the public wanted to hear or buy from him on a large scale, or a scale that would have perhaps helped RCA decide to keep investing in him. TLG was bad, but there really were no other singles on there that IMO would have done better.  I keep hearing all these other candidates being tossed out by fans, but the don’t sound like they could have done much better. David may have doomed himself when he was going round in interviews during TLM’s release saying that he didn’t want an album full of ‘singles’, or something to that effect, and that writing ‘hit’ songs wasn’t where he was at, or something like that… I’m sure the diligent fans will come up with the direct link or quote speedily.  a hit single or 2 might have made the difference between having a contract and not. We’ll never know, but I’d bet money we wouldn’t be having this convo now if TLM had a couple hits to help it sell… water under the bridge now.

  • Anonymous

    I like David, but I don’t like most of his music because I can’t understand most of the lyrics because of the way he sings. The Last Goodbye was a pretty good song.

  • Anonymous

    but that’s only because beyond AI audience nobody cares about Cook, Kris an Lee…if they’d care of course this would be discussed too. It’s a valid point.

    But this is the point, all of them are starting with a blank slate as far as the general public is concerned.  They will establish a name for themselves through their music, just like every other AI alum.  The vast majority of people aren’t going to notice them until they release music.  And if we incorrectly assume that all of these people are releasing the same type of music, there is no reason to believe that they all can’t  be successful, since there is no quota on how many WGWG can find success, or how many albums by WGWG that a person can buy.

    Cook and Lee don’t have the contract anymore and the only reason why Kris has it is that he was able to at least sell 1 song outside of idol audience, he failed to sell his album too.

    No, the only reason why Kris still has a contract is because RCA believed that they could make a profit off of him by releasing a second album. Marketability is what matters, and that’s true for all of the idol alums, not fans over inflated expectations, or other issues that idol fans might have.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roger-Kramjet/100003524695403 Roger Kramjet

    Adam has actually sold over 2 million copies of his first album. It was just certified platinum in the US and is Platinum I believe in 6 or 7 other countries. Adam has also proved he can sell concert tickets and get butts in the seats. His concert DVD/Blue Ray was the highest selling of 2011. He also has a great side gig with Queen. I doubt Adam is going to be having problems any time soon.

  • Anonymous

    I also expect Kris Allen to split from his label soon (Adam Lambert might stay a bit longer since I think he’ll probably sell reasonably OK).

    I think it all comes down to getting exposure for the songs, and currently, it’s not like radio is rushing at the chance to play Adam’s music either.  Without radio support those who are making mainstream music don’t stand a chance, and for the niche artists, RCA isn’t going to take the time to develop them, or help them build an audience.

    The reasoning behind the singles that have been released makes sense, and is nothing that other labels wouldn’t have done.  BTIKM is considered to be in the same vein as WWFM, so why wouldn’t RCA try to remind people of his one true hit.  TLG was the most radio friendly song on David Cook’s album.  TVOL is in the same vein as LLWD, so again, why not remind people of that song.

  • Anonymous

    ” Cook and Lee don’t have the contract anymore and the only reason why
    Kris has it is that he was able to at least sell 1 song outside of idol
    audience, he failed to sell his album too.”

    This suggests Cook never sold anything outside of Idol, and I just don’t think you can say that. His first album AND first TWO singles went platinum… This reason Kris is still signed is because he’s not yet been on his label as long (and/or I suppose it’s possible he had an option in his contract to extend that he exercised where Cook chose not to exercise his, assuming either had one.)

    Anyway, I agree that lumping Cook in with the others in terms of sales is either a blind or revisionist history.

  • Anonymous

    Adam needs radio play as much as anyone else, and imo, his career with RCA is going to live or die according to NCOE radio success.

    This thread topic highlights that for idol alums success with the first era doesn’t mean that the second time round they’ll have the same reception.

  • Nele621

    Me thinks he’s going to have a few idols that are soon to be releasing music joining him in being off a major.

    I guess you must mean Kris and Adam, because they are the only two idols with albums soon to be released on major labels. Kris’s first single is pretty slow to catch on, but I have a feeling he has another on its heel. Adam is on his second single (first one flopped), and I think his idol performance could be a determining factor. I never hear it on the radio, so, well…

  • Anonymous

    And Haley..

  • Allison

    David has such a good voice. Hoping that being independent he’ll be able to craft songs that do justice to it. I wish him luck.

  • Anonymous

     This reason Kris is still signed is because he’s not yet been on his label as long (and/or I suppose it’s possible he had an option in his contract to extend that he exercised where Cook chose not to exercise his, assuming either had one.)

    Artists don’t exercise options, the label does.  The reason Kris is still signed is because RCA wanted him after the merger unlike a lot of other artists from the merged label imprints including Jive & former RCA artists that are no longer with the label.

  • Tess

    I think that what often gets over-looked is that Sony had a contract with Idol whereby they were required to release the first album for any AI winner.  That binding contract is why they are no longer affiliated with the current AI.  They have gotten too many Idols that aren’t marketable outside of a very niche audience (that being made up largely of the AI faithful).

    As much as people “blame” the labels for all the problems an artist has, from radio play to promotion to gigs, the bottom line is that the IT factor of the person involved (like any other artist) is the primary reason for success.  And when a label hasn’t “hand” chosen those who they record with why would they throw more money into a pot that hasn’t proven golden for them.

    Sure they are extenuating circumstances that surround Idols…from genres that are not current, to radio resistance, to the flat out conservatism of the artists involved but someone who is good can find ways to sustain marketability.

    Having seen many Idols “dropped” I know this is a pretty ugly industry where loyalty is not a well-used word.  And I suspect that some of my favs (if they haven’t already) may get the boot (and prettying it up by using the words “agreed to part ways” is still the same darn thing). 

    Considering the very small amount of “buzz” for David Cook right now he isn’t proving to be sustainally marketable.  The real world really could care less….He just performed a single for 16 million people and his is only the 48th best selling single on I-tunes.  That tells me a lot about how much his music resonates when I see that JLo is #10 on the same list.

  • shell29

    I think it all comes down to getting exposure for the songs, and currently, it’s not like radio is rushing at the chance to play Adam’s music either. Without radio support those who are making mainstream music don’t stand a chance, and for the niche artists, RCA isn’t going to take the time to develop them, or help them build an audience.

    I agree.  David Cook is proof that you’re only as good as the sales of your last album (in the label’s eyes).  The fact that his debut post-Idol album went platinum and having two platinum singles didn’t prevent him from being dropped.  If neither Kris or Adam are able to have a strong radio presence with their current or future singles (and have weak album sales with Thank You Camellia and Trespassing) they’re BOTH going to be toast at RCA.  But again, losing a major label deal doesn’t have to be the end of the world.  Cook will continue to perform and make music.  If Kris gets dropped, he’ll do the same.  If Adam gets dropped, he should still do well performing and making music.  Lee, the red-headed stepchild of Idol winners is still making a living in this profession.  Most are better off now after Idol than they were before they auditioned and competed on the show.

  • Nele621

    Hey, there’s always Asia. Archuleta and Lee did some concerts in Asia after they were dropped. Sounds like Cook is doing the same.

  • Anonymous

    Did Adam really go platinum here with FYE? Wow. But regarding Trespassing, he really does need PD support to get that album to sale past it’s debut week. I haven’t heard NCOE yet on any of my local stations though it has been added to at least one. But the label seems to be doing a great job promoting this album and it seems to have some good songs on it. Plus Adam has the whole international fan base so I think his label relationship is not as dependent as some on his US success. If this one does at least haf of what FYE did I business and he has a successful tour, I thin they will support him for a third album.

    I’m really sorry about DC but I really didn’t like the last album. There was no joy on it and little variety. I thought it was very mediocre after waiting so long to here something new from him. And the song he did las night was in the same vein.

  • Hazehel

    I think it all comes down to getting exposure for the songs, and currently, it’s not like radio is rushing at the chance to play Adam’s music either.   

    Perhaps radio isn’t rushing to play Adam’s single because it is bad song?  Same for David Cook?   I would say Adam is a different situation from David Cook because he is has a much higher profile than David Cook outside of Idol bubble.  Kris Allen is in the same situation as David Cook, disappearing for two years, worst in fact because his Idol fan base is smaller.

    BTIKM is considered to be in the same vein as WWFM, so why wouldn’t RCA try to remind people of his one true hit.  TLG was the most radio friendly song on David Cook’s album.  TVOL is in the same vein as LLWD, so again, why not remind people of that song. 

    I wouldn’t say TVOL is in the same vein as LLWD, and I would say that it’s a better song (best of the three singles from the second albums mentioned), personally I suspect it’s Kris’ lack of visibility that is stopping radio from playing the song.   BTIKM is just terrible, I couldn’t listen to it for 30 seconds, whereas there are a few songs in his album that I would happily play on repeat (and I don’t even consider myself a fan of Adam).

    I have stopped wondering what is considered “radio-friendly” on US radio any more.  The labels just seem to choose the blandest song they can find on the album and release them, completely ignoring the quality of the song itself.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think Adam has anything to worry about at this point. The only issue would be if he doesn’t sell enough (I think he will sell quite well) to justify the amount of money RCA has put into Trespassing. They seem to have invested quite a bit in it, but I really don’t think it’s going to be an issue.
    As I said in another thread, Kris did what he was supposed to do. He is putting out a cd that seems to be full of radio friendly, fun songs that represent him as an artist. He also seems to be doing better at promoting himself, but it may be too late for that. We’ll see.
    David had a very successful first era and frankly I don’t understand what happened. Everyone has theories and they make sense but with over a million albums sold, platinum singles I can’t figure out where all those people went when he released TLM.

  • http://twitter.com/ladymctech ladymctech

    Fantastically said on all counts, Tess. Thank you!

  • Nele621

    As I said in another thread, Kris did what he was supposed to do. He is putting out a cd that seems to be full of radio friendly, fun songs that represent him as an artist.

    Kris seems to want his singles/album to sell, whereas, Cook only wanted to record what HE liked, and not what would necessarily sell.

    I agree with why the heck did RCA want to release BTIKM when there are probably six or more songs that are much better on Lambert’s album, and much more radio friendly and current.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Considering the very small amount of “buzz” for David Cook right now he isn’t proving to be sustainally marketable.  The real world really could care less….He just performed a single for 16 million people and his is only the 48th best selling single on I-tunes.  That tells me a lot about how much his music resonates when I see that JLo is #10 on the same list.

    JLo’s song is also already #17 on CHR, with AI of ~28 million, or 175% of the size of Idol’s audience hearing it repeated again and again. That might have a little something to do with higher singles sales.

    There is a consistent pattern that artists already getting substantial radio play see much higher sales the week of their Idol performance than those introducing new songs: here (and yes, I know I’m a couple weeks behind on updating it).

  • CircadianDomination

    You say that these songs are terrible so matter-of-factly, like it can’t even be disputed. As a matter of fact, he’s the only Idol I’ve given a damn about post-Idol, except for maybe Kelly and Kris.

  • mickeybordentwo

    Elliegrll said quite a number of hours ago:

    “The problem is that beyond the AI audience, nobody cares about this. And even in the idol audience, only a small fraction of the people care.

    Most people aren’t going to buy an album just because someone was on a tv show, they are going to buy it because of the music. Lee, Kris, David, Adam, Jordin and everybody else had the chance to introduce their music to the larger music buying public, and if they didn’t take advantage of that opportunity, and go beyond just being someone from a reality tv show, then that’s on them, their management, label, and the music that they released, and not on anyone else.

    In the real world, the basic premise that Lee and Kris hurt David makes no sense. The alums aren’t just trying to sell music to those who watch the show, and none of them are dumb enough to think that they are going to build any type of career off of their AI popularity, because most people just don’t care.”

    Actually, the Idolettes are selling their albums because they were on a TV show. That’s why their first CDs (with the exception, of course, of Breakaway) always sell better than their next ones, with their sales numbers consistently sliding down the further away they are from their days on Idol.

    Idol, in its own current downward slide, is still being watched by 16 million people. Those 16 million are choosing to watch it because they like seeing appealing young singers. No Idolette has to sell music to the “larger music buying public.” Adele has sold, what, 8 million CDs in the US, and she’s a super megastar right now. That’s half the number of the Idol audience. 

    What Idol, RCA, Sony, any and all 19s, and the Idolettes themselves have to figure out is how to keep selling to the Idol audience.  The judges on Idol and The Voice have had noticable career boosts because they’ve expanded their market to include the viewers of their TV shows. They’ve gone from being musicial performers to TV personalities to better selling musicial performers.

    It’s possible there’s no formula like that for the Idolettes, once they’re off the show. But thinking of them as musicial performers rather than TV personalities clearly isn’t working.

  • Anonymous

    Cook  put out music that people didn’t like. That’s the problem with all the rocker/singer/songwriter types. The songs have to be great and Cook’s music (to my ears) is morose and kind of dull.  But pulling the plug after just two albums means RCA isn’t going to give these Idols much room for error if album #2 flops.

    So yes I think Kris is in trouble. Adam can do meh in the US but if the album sells overseas he should be okay. Of course it all depends on numbers in the end. Aside from Cook only Scotty has done well as a recent winner and I think the jury is still out on Scotty. When album #2 comes down the pike, will the fans still be interested.

  • mmb

    Of course J-Lo would be higher on itunes!!  Her song has been played on the radio for close to 2 months and is charting reasonably well with a substantial AI.  You can’t compare that to a brand new song being heard for the very first time on Idol.  We have seen this over and over and over.  Idol performances benefit current hit songs the most, by a wide margin.  The next best time to perform seems to be the week a single first goes up for sale on itunes — the existing fan base mixes with some casual idol viewers to get it to a decent itunes position, usually in the 30-70 range.  The worst time in terms of impact on sales is when the single has already been available on itunes for a few weeks or longer, and the song has minimal radio play.  At that point, the existing fanbase already owns the song and can’t purchase again on itunes, and the song is not widely familiar to the Idol audience.  Of course, I’m speaking in generalities and there are always exceptions.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UITYTUSGL7IK7WLFFDXXRYP7GA Falfor

    The music industry has changed some, but not as much as many think. Otherwise, why would there be so many 1 hit wonders? For years, many singers have tried to make it big, but this is a business, and like many businesses, some are big, some are not. It does not mean they are not successful. I would take what these guys make compared to the $30-$50 thousand most of us make. Not everyone can be on top. Idol is a stepping stone. If the singer and songs are good, they will make it. Many people like songs rather than singers. Thanks to radio stations such as Wise Radio, less of the top of the heap singers like Lee get heard, and he is doing well. There is a market for his style of music and he has a good many fans. The same is true for Kris, Adam, and Scotty. Someone said earlier, Sony is big business, and it requires big bucks. No big bucks, your out. Potential plays a big part. Businesses want to grow. They limit investments in potential, then move on when that potential falls. Business. Best of luck to David and all the artists who have ever been signed.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    jpfan2, it’s difficult to determine if the general public connected with Cook’s recent music when radio gave it so little play. That’s the gate-keeper problem: artists who aren’t big hitmakers generally struggle for radio play in the mainstream formats. If radio decision-makers tend to dismiss Idol alum as “reality TV stars,” that’s one additional barrier for them beyond what the normal mid-lister faces.

    While Lambert’s BTIKM peaked higher than Cook’s TLG, it didn’t exactly smash, and NCOE is moving slowly, too. Allen’s TVOL is moving like sludge and probably won’t peak high. In Allen’s case, his album will drop with fewer than 1 million AI (and most of that obtained overnight) — his low opening week sales won’t be because the public rejected his music but because they mostly haven’t heard it.

  • Anonymous

    I actually think Kris might be ok, if he can get some radio play.   Just my opinion, but I think Kris is a better song writer than Cook.    I think his songs have the potential to be radio hits.   Even Kris’s album cover and title are more interesting (to me) than Cook’s.   And this is coming from someone who voted for Cook his season and who did not vote for Kris.  

    I think Adam will be ok.  He’s got too many irons in the fire to just fade away.  He’s playing  some really big fesitivals this summer as a solo artist and then he’s got the Queen gigs.  The fact that Rolling Stone reviewed his album (and gave it four stars) means he is on the industry radar.

    I think Archie is in a different situation than Cook although he was dropped from his label as well.  He is another person who seems to have multiple markets.   Didn’t he just do some tv show in Asia?   I don’t see him as a pop star but I do think he could do well on HAC.    I also think he should put out a Spanish language album.  

    The other idol winner who I think could really break big is Jordin.   I don’t think she has peaked yet, although she’s had some nice success.   I see her on TV commercials, she’s made a movie, she’s looks great and let’s face it, she has a really cool name.  :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=57508472 Chesnee Slagle

    I feel bad about this but I wish David the best of luck. If anybody needs an example of artists doing this on their own and being succesful they just need to look at Hanson. Those boys have done VERY well for themselves after starting their own 3GG record label. Maybe Dave can take a page outta their books.

  • Anonymous

    The reason Idols have short-term fame is because of Idol. Every year, there are new Idols and the field is crowded. Plus, the fact there are so many male Idols, all in the same pop/rock category.

    Sure, Kelly and Carrie have the most fame, but 10 years from now, these girls will be older and the older you get, the worse it is for a pop star.

  • Anonymous

    He was thrilled, but reality sets in and he probably saw how constrained he was.  They pushed him to pop when he is a rocker.  They made him write with pop writers and didn’t support his writing ability.  I can’t blame him at all.  It has always been about the music with Cook.  

  • Anonymous

    If his album doesn’t meet expectations, then he too will be up on the chopping block.  

  • Anonymous

    His song writing is by far better than what’s on Top 40 now with the same 5 words said over and over and over and over.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     Begs the question of what happened to those 1million + people who bought Cook’s 1st cd, downloaded all those singles during Idol, and bought TOML, LO and CBTM… People “heard” him plenty then – did they all just fall over a cliff in the 2nd era?  Did radio and it’s program directors develop amnesia regarding David Cook for the 2nd CD? We all know the drill about how much the market and radio has changed, but with Cook’s debut numbers, the hi profile gigs he was getting and the wide exposure of his music, where did his audience go? He was a popular winner, like a few of the others who managed to transcend the bubble – he can’t blame lack of promotion or exposure, cause he had it his 1st era… I think a lot of it just comes down to the music. His original music IMO is just not as interesting and he doesn’t sound as good singing his own music as he does when singing covers… sad to say, but I liked the songs he sang on Idol better than anything I’ve heard on his 2 post Idol CD’s… TLM has been mentioned as being therapeutic for him, the CD he wanted to make… what was Simon’s phrase for that… “indulgent’… he gambled that writing and recording the album HE wanted to make would be the album WE the public would want to hear – and he lost. Win some , lose some. He gotta dust himself off, find a way to get back in the game.

  • Anonymous

    jpfan2,
    it’s difficult to determine if the general public liked Cook’s recent
    music when radio gave it so little play. That’s the gate-keeper problem:
    artists who aren’t big hitmakers generally struggle for radio
    play in the mainstream formats. If radio decision-makers tend to dismiss
    Idol alum as “reality TV stars,” that’s one additional barrier for them
    beyond what the normal mid-lister faces.

    While Lambert’s BTIKM peaked higher than Cook’s TLG, it didn’t
    exactly smash, and NCOE is moving slowly, too. Allen’s TVOL is moving
    like sludge and probably won’t peak high. In Allen’s case, his album
    will drop with fewer than 1 million ears hearing the lead single on
    radio (and those mostly if they listen at 2 a.m.) — his low opening
    week sales won’t be because the public rejected his music but because
    they mostly haven’t heard it.

    TLG started well, but slowed down very quickly and always had a low AI for the spins. This is a sign of a song that the label supports (at least at the beginning), but that receives poor feedback from listeners.

    It doesn’t necessarily mean that it is a poor song, just that it’s not a good fit for the current playlists. For example, the UK song by Ed Sheeran, the A Team was a big hit here, but isn’t taking off on HAC. It hasn’t suddenly become bad, it’s just that it’s not what the format listeners want to hear. 

    That said, US artists need to be flexible enough to release material that fits their own radio formats, and being able to tune in to the current mood while showing personality is what brings writers/producers/artists to the top. Those who can’t do it fail, even if they are good artists, and it is no different for singing competitions alums.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    Out of all the Idols that are releasing albums Adam sells more Internationally than he does in the US. His International fan base consist about 60% which match his sales of 1.2 million overseas. Adam released 4-5 and even 6 singles in most countries even after a flop 1st single (FYE). International radio doesn’t work the same as US. Way less politics. I’m not worry about Adam. RCA isn’t just focused on US. If Adam manages a gold album (US)I’m good. I prefer international sales because that is were he does better. 

  • Anonymous

    I agree – when I look at what’s on the charts now I cringe. I mean how is Starships by Nicki Minaj better than Higher Than Heaven by James or Free by Haley. And it is dominated by the same artists. Makes me feel that both labels and radio are trying to play safe and only go with the big names (or those willing to play the sex kitten). Like the saying goes: 

    “Nobody got fired for buying IBM”

  • Anonymous

    So what.  Cook sold well and “put butts in the seats”.  If Lambert’s record doesn’t sell well his contract could be in question also.  This is definitely a “what have you done for me lately” industry.  

  • Anonymous

    I think pop rockers just aren’t popular right now. If you listen to Top 40 radio, it’s almost all R&B and hiphop music.

  • Anonymous

    Might I add they chose the worst possible single for Lee too. I wonder what insanity possessed them to choose Sweet Serendipity over Me and My Jealousy.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly I think #48 is good with little promotion outside of one performance on Idol.  JLo has also been in the business for years and has an international fanbase.  That is where RCA failed Cook.  He had an international base coming off of Idol that they did very little with.

    One thing I was impressed with was how, even though Cook released TLSIWFY independently, it was released worldwide on iTunes and that went off without a hitch.  That’s something RCA could never get right.  Cook’s releases were always delayed after his appearances.

  • Anonymous

    I agree – somehow the US market seems to make it much harder for Idols.
    Here in Malaysia, David Archuleta, Daughtry, Jordin Sparks (and of course Kelly Clarkson) get played A LOT. I even heard Vision of Love on radio this afternoon. Only country idols like Carrie and Scotty struggle.

  • Anonymous

    RCA doesn’t have the greatest track record picking singles.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Begs the question of what happened to those 1million + people who bought Cook’s 1st cd, downloaded all those singles during Idol, and bought TOML, LO and CBTM… People “heard” him plenty then – did they all just fall over a cliff in the 2nd era?

    Well, without hearing a new song on their radio, how did they know the second era existed?

    Even in these days of media fragmentation, normal ol’ terrestrial radio is still the primary means of music discovery, even for people who are relatively heavy music spenders: source

    A few months back, the Guardian documented that really substantial sales drop-offs from album to album (as in, a couple million sales for Album A and then a few hundred thousand for Album B) happen more often than one might imagine and happen to bands that are critical darlings, too: source. When an album sells millions, the vast majority of buyers don’t become the kind of fans who pay weekly visits to the artist’s web site and are first in line to buy anything new. Casual fans are casual.

  • Anonymous

    RCA hasn’t had much success with a lot of their artists lately, although they seem to be doing better on the urban side.  They seem incapable of choosing decent singles, and in some cases they are choosing singles that sabotage the artist’s entire era.  I think they have one artist with a bullet on the HAC chart, and that bullet is in the 20′s.  If they can’t do better, then I’ll be happy to see them lose money.

  • Anonymous

    TLG started well then nothing for 4 months.  No promotion because management was non existent from May until August when he signed with XIX. With nothing to keep him in the public eye, no tour until the fall, no festivals over the summer, nothing, it didn’t surprise me that sales were not there.  When they released FIM, very little promo went with it as the 2nd song so again nothing to keep him in the public eye.  Cook is a private person and not one for the TMZ media ho publicity.  That is his choice.  As long as he can make the living he wants and is happy, I’m a happy camper and will buy anything he puts out any way he does it because I like his voice and writing style. I like songs with actual stories to them and not the overbearing dance beat with the typical baby baby baby oh oh oh over and over again.     Glad to see him out from under RCA.  

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

     

    That is where RCA failed Cook.  He had an international base coming off of Idol that they did very little with.

    It doesn’t work like that. It’s not as simple as why can’t my Idol tour overseas. All Idols have fans in countries that show Idol but it takes more than a few thousand fans to convince the labels to invest in an expensive international tour. A lot of number crunching is involved. You need sponsors and a promoter who thinks there is enough interest to fill a venue. Countries non Idol friendly are even harder to crack. If an album is released and sells well that may show interest but again selling albums and filling seats are two different things. To many variables otherwise the label would promote all Idols. 

     

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     Wasn’t TOML, LO and CBTM still getting pretty substantial HAC and AC play during the 2nd era? TOML still gets heard across lots of stations, so it’s not as if Cook’s profile was nonexistant on radio, or that his name was not known to program directors… all I’m trying to simply say is yes, Idol fans and music fans in general are pretty fickle, casual. Cook had every advantage going for him, more exposure from winning Idol than the normal just starting out Idol… If the music was resonating better, or his image was resonating better, perhaps more would have been there for the 2nd CD. Dunno how valid the comparison is, but Sade comes to mind. Talk about long waits in between CD – 10 YEARS she took between CD’s and radio, but her last era kicked butt… she’s the epitome of a niche artist IMO whose music is just so good and memorable and resonant it inspires crazy fans like me to wait for years for new material. If the music is resonant, they will come – and come back to you.

  • Anonymous

    I am one of those who are not worried about Adam’s contract. RCA has bigger plans for him than just the States, they are thinking globally. If selling or touring overseas didn’t mean anything, then people like Carrie, Kelly and Daughtry wouldn’t be interested. 

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    TLG started well, but slowed down very quickly and always had a low AI
    for the spins. This is a sign of a song that the label supports (at
    least at the beginning), but that receives poor feedback from listeners.

    I agree. All the signs were there that the song just didn’t connect. All parties involved gave it their all and HAC radio did welcome him back initially, but it came down to the audience not liking the song.

    Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.

    To me everything here is pretty clear. He did well his first era, seemed to establish himself a place at HAC radio and with the HAC audience. The second time around, he did not release music that resonated as much with that audience. A good selling HAC act would have had a 2-3 singles do well on that chart and given his Idol background, could have sold albums to the tune of… mabye 300K-500K for a moderate success? Plus a moderately sized tour. That did not happen here (the short tour did fine). The singles didn’t go anywhere and the album had the usual drops for the first 5 weeks then faded away.

    I really think it boils down to the music. The first album was very radio pop/rock HAC, the second album was more AC if anything, and even that’s kind of a stretch. It didn’t fit anywhere on radio easily and there wasn’t even an independent market of people doing similar stuff to hook up with. That cost him. It also makes it harder for the label to see a future with him.

    I am really interested to hear what kind of stuff he writes now. I don’t expect any huge changes, but he can push his basic sound in a more alt-ish direction,  or a more creative direction, or sort of stay where he is, so I am along for the ride just to see where it all goes. I said a while back that I liked what he did with the Circadian – Goodbye To The Girl – Rapid Eye Movement trio and I’d like to see him develop more along those lines. I like the stuff he comes up with when he writes with his bandmates and Hodges.

  • http://twitter.com/MoriaPolonius Moria Polonius

    Well, without hearing a new song on their radio, how did they know the second era existed?

    normal ol’ terrestrial radio is still the primary means of music discovery

    About half of the artists I listen to I have found thru media buzz, internet, word of mouth, concerts. Not the radio. 

    Lack of radiplay alone doesn’t cause a singer to be forgotten, it happenes when there’s nothing else going on either, and that, in turn, happens usually when an artist doesn’t have much to offer.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     ITA Tinawina. Well said. Sometimes the simplest explanation is best… no long treatises/charts/graphs or other inane data gathering and it’s analysis is ever really needed. Either folks like what they hear and want to hear more of it, or even buy it – or they don’t.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

     Wasn’t TOML, LO and CBTM still getting pretty substantial HAC and AC play during the 2nd era?

    Yes, of course. But why would somebody hearing TOML on an AC station think “gee, I’ll bet David Cook has NEW music out?”

    AC and HAC recurrent play act as a reminder that one liked that artist, so additional PR is more salient. (It’s like how if you’re thinking of buying a Prius, suddenly the world is flooded with articles about Priuses [Prii?]. The actual saturation of Prius articles probably hasn’t changed, but you notice them more because the topic matters to you. Recurrent play helps to keep the artist remembered as mattering, so that IF you see new PR, you’ll notice it more readily.) 

    I deeply cherish my OMD albums from the early 1990s, back when OMD got play on alt-rock stations. It was a complete shockeroo to stumble over the discovery that they’d put out a number of albums since then, including one a couple years ago (which I promptly bought and liked) — even though I’m big on seeking out new music. Even though I played my old albums a lot, there just were no messages in front of me saying “OMD. NEW MUSIC. BUY IT” and I was hearing plenty of other enjoyable bands who were absorbing my music-buying dollar.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    I don’t think TMZ is interested in Cook but what about the other media that you know is all about the music. Cook doesn’t even seem interested to go to even music related award shows and keep his face out there. This is where all his peers go to network. Have you look at the Top 40 charts lately? Because half of the acts aren’t even dance music. The blaming of dance music makes no sense. He needs to put out good music instead of those dreary angsty ballads.

  • Anonymous

    In the music industry “great” songs are currency.  I put great in quotes because everyone has a definition of what is great.  But for the music industry it is hit songs with hooks galore, and for the last few years it has been mostly upbeat and happy vibe songs.  David’s music is probably the antithesis of this.  You can’t blame RCA for trying to get David away from the plodding mid-tempo numbers that he seems to churn out.  They tried to pair him with well known writers and it still didn’t work out.  David can’t seem to get out of the style he does..and if he doesn’t care to than more power to him.  Let’s face it, David became famous for winning a singing competition.  That has nothing to do with songwriting.  Being a great singer is in no way correlated to being a great songwriter.  And in my opinion David is a mediocre writer at best.  As I said, just because he won a singing competition that in no way gives him cred as a songwriter anymore than any other unheard of guy plugging away out there.  David’s talent is in his vocals IMO.  His biggest hits were all written by others.  Anything he has gotten his hands on has flopped.  Cook fans will spin things like no other fan base, but the truth is his songs just aren’t anything special.  I honestly don’t see him having much success going forward.  He lost the Idol fans he had and he has failed to add any new fans outside of his hardcore base.  That will sustain him at a low level for a little while, but without adding new fans I don’t see it lasting long.  Just my opinions.

  • Anonymous

    The first album was very radio pop/rock HAC, the second album was more AC if anything, and even that’s kind of a stretch.

    I’m not sure I buy this, outside of FIM and TMAIA.  (Even GTTG had too big a guitar solo to really be AC.)

    I don’t see where Paper Heart or RHWY were really any more or less pop-rock/HAC than Declaration or Heroes.  And I definitely wouldn’t count Circadian and REM as more AC than IDIFY or Avalanche. 

    I think “first single not connecting, too much label and management shuffling to move forward quickly with a second single when that become obvious, and too distant a launch date from the AI season to compensate for those factors for casual AI viewers” is a sufficient explanation.  Well, that and the fact that my BOTE estimate is that at least 300K bought the first album because of the Rainbow and were never coming back for his own material no matter what he did with it.

  • Anonymous

    Reminder:

    This topic of this post is DAVID COOK. Let’s keep the discussion focused on him.

  • Anonymous

    David’ll be all right. Lest we forget, most musicians don’t have giant major-label contracts, and that includes lots of excellent, successful, happy ones. Cook was  happy *before* the show, as I recall.

    Increasingly, you can make a reasonable middle-to-upper-middle-class living as a musician, without being a “star” with a big backing. There’s nothing about David that suggests to me he’d be unhappy if he gets to do that. I think his values probably don’t revolve around being the most “famous” or having the most cash. And it seems to me he probably has enough fans and contacts now to craft that kind of career for himself, long term. That can be tough, and this initial shock is certainly hard, but it couldn’t have been much of a surprise, either, given the way the industry is going.

  • Anonymous

    “Anything he has gotten his hands on has flopped.”

    So I guess selling a platinum album and two platinum singles and a gold one that “had his hands on it” makes him a “flop”.  What are you talking about?  TLSIWFY is the 1st song he has released on his own since before Idol.  The label didn’t have enough faith in him to even release singles that were his (and I’m sure there was a Tedder deal with TLG to be released which was the worst song on the album) so why do you think that his music “flopped”?  The ones they released were written by others with maybe a co-write.  I just don’t understand your logic.  Have you listened to Analog Heart?

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I don’t think the songs itself were the problem, at least not for songs like Paper Heart  etc, but the production was. They did not sound like what was on the radio at all in their studio versions. The instrumentation and production used sounded dated, which is why I said AC-ish but like I said that was a stretch. And I said that in my original assessment of the album so it’s not like I am changing my mind after the fact. LOL. The first time I listened, it was hard to imagine where it would fit on radio outside a couple of songs, and those songs weren’t singles. I liked a lot of it but it wasn’t going to get airplay, and that seemed clear enough to me at the time.

  • Anonymous

    Eh. I wasn’t there when he was discussing all of this with RCA so I have no idea what happened. I don’t really listen to “regular” radio so I won’t be missing out when he’s (still) not played there. I happen to like the music that is distinctly HIM – and I think there are plenty of other people who do, too. For some folks, his music is never going to work. I think Train is the most horrible godawful bunch of hackery around and I’m perfectly ok with the fact that lots of people love them – I don’t couch “I can’t stand them” as “they suck because I say so.” There are a million reasons why some acts strike big and some don’t. It seems to me that a whole lot of it rides on the right song at the right time. I listen to a ton of what I think is brilliant music that does not belong to superstars. I lived in the local music scene for some time and heard bands that for whatever reason never got a break that were amazingly talented. I don’t know what the future will hold for David – though as a fan of him as a songwriter and artist I’ll be a-ok if I’m still getting music. He may find a label that fits him and find a song that suddenly blows up. He may release indie albums and play small shows when the spirit moves him. He may do none of these things. But I was at the RFH hope stuff this past weekend and he sure looked and sounded happy. And if he looks and sounds happy, hard for me to angst *for* him. There are plenty of ways to get your music to your fans these days without a label. Is it easy? Of course not. I’m sure if he could stay with the label and produce music that worked for both of them that would be ideal. I’m not going to spin it as “Oh, lucky him! Being with a major label sucks!” But it isn’t the end of the world :)

    I actually found this little blurb from today’s Lefsetz email interesting regarding Rufus Wainwright. While it’s part of a criticism – it’s also interesting to me because I think it speaks to the fact that having a core fanbase and going directly to them is NOT a bad thing. And if you never go out of that fanbase? That’s ok, too. But you can grow off that fanbase if you play your cards right. Now of course it’s not apples to apples here – but just the general idea that you CAN go completely independent and work off that… anyway, just interesting to me today.

    “Rufus, admit who you are. A gay man with a dedicated audience. Junk your
    label, go completely independent, use Kickstarter, milk your hard core
    audience for every dime its got…THEY LOVE YOU!Your only hope of growing is if your core audience spreads the word. Play to them, not to everybody.”

  • Anonymous

    And this is what happens when you don’t speak often. You speak a LOT all at once? Heh.

  • Anonymous

    His biggest hits..like Come Back To Me and Light On were totally written by others..he had no writing credits on those as far as I know.  Anything with him on it as a writer has not done well at radio.  So who can blame RCA for not wanting to release his stuff?  They are out to make money.  If they don’t think his stuff is good enough to penetrate on radio they aren’t going to put it out there.  This vilifying of the label gets old.  If the material isn’t there they can’t get blood out of a stone.  If David is happy with the sound he went for on TLM and if he’s happy churning out ballads and mid-tempo songs that just plod along more power to him.  His hardcore fans like it and it looks like that’s who he is going to be working for now.  I’m just not sure if he can sustain a career over the long haul with that.  Again..just one person’s opinion.  He could do great for all I know.

  • Anonymous

     ”I still don’t get why Idol was successful in the first 5 years finding
    people that connected outside the Idol fanbase but in the past 5 years
    they’re almost batting zero.”

    Well, at first blush I think, Makes you wonder if the tv voting base and the music-buying public have increasingly diverged. And I do wonder if that’s part of it….

    But then I think, Well, the only big connectors in the first five years were Kelly and Carrie. Ruben hasn’t really connected; Fantasia connects well in her niche but not outside it; JHud’s music fame is based pretty much entirely on her Oscar fame, it seems; and Daughtry did very well in the early going when his niche was a hot niche, but it’s less clear that that will be true going forward.

    There just aren’t a lot of people who *do* find the big fame. And to do it they have to fit into the hot niche. Increasingly, the hot niches aren’t something that a show based on singing talent and live performance fits into. How many of the current big starts could put on winning performances on Idol?

    And then there’s the increasingly raunch-focused element of the music world. As somebody mentioned the other day, Jessica got roundly slammed on Idol for her supposedly oversexed interpretation of Proud Mary…. But when you look at the actual music industry, isn’t it pretty much the exact opposite, including for young girls? Sex sells but on the Idol show you have to be pure. The only kinda counter-cases to that are the Disney girls. And all they seem to prove is that, if you’re on a kiddie tv show, and also sing, you can hook some long-term fans when they’re seven years old.

  • newinNM

    I think we should discuss Adam and Kris’s album success or failure when they have actually succeed or failed, to early, and this is a David thread.

    Whenever this happens I always think about how hard it must be to lose so much.  He went from being on a #1 TV show, doing a stadium tour, releasing a million selling album, hearing his songs on the radio, headlining a tour, releasing album #2…… then it’s over! How hard it must be for David (and his fans) to know those things will PROBABLY (note I said probably) never happen again. :(  

    But then again, he DID have all those things, all that success was his, and no one can take that away from him.  All those great experiences, the people, places and memories (hopefully a boat load of money too!) are his forever! Can’t take that away from him, or his fans!  Ahhhh I feel so much better! :) 

    David is in the process of reevaluating his life, and preparing to move forward and good luck to him.  His future will be bright and it will be interesting to watch!

  • Anonymous

    Well, I agree that Serletic’s production style was not the best fit except for a couple of the songs.  And I definitely think that what he did to TLG helped sink that song on radio. It was Bamboozle pop-rock and they kept throwing more layers on it.

    But I think others were mixed better and could have broken out a little more strongly if they’d tried them instead.  Ah well.

  • Anonymous

    And one other thing..everybody seems to like to dog on Tedder.  But you have to look at it from RCA’s perspective too.  They can try to go with songs from a guy with a track record or they can trust a guy who just won a singing competition with no track record of writing hits.   TLG was a major flop, but I can at least see the label’s point of view in trying to push stuff from well known songwriters rather than trusting an unknown quantity, which as a songwriter is what David is.  They had a big score going with known writers on the first album.  How much of that was just from the Idol buzz I don’t know, but all RCA saw was dollar signs when they matched strong material from known hit writers with David’s voice.  The record industry isn’t about taking risks..they play it safe these days.  Risk taking and artist development from the bigger labels kind of ended in the 70s.  That’s a huge problem with music today and a topic for a whole other post though.

  • http://twitter.com/thePeachMango Peach Mango

    I think Train is the most horrible godawful bunch of hackery around and I’m perfectly ok with the fact that lots of people love them – I don’t couch “I can’t stand them” as “they suck because I say so.” 

    OMG, you are me!  If you also detest Maroon 5, you and I are obviously the same person but living in different dimensions connected only through the interwebs (which are transdimensional, as you know).

    Anyway, it’s interesting reading everyone’s comments.  As for me, I’m really digging the new single.  It’s quite the earworm if you ask me.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    You know, I don’t totally disagree with that. I always wonder what would have happened if they had tried a more adventurous single choice like Circadian. And if they were going to go conventional, what would have happened if they had done something like Time Marches On, which to my ear at least sounded a bit more radio catchy? Or if Paper Heart had not been buried in… stuff?

    A lot of those songs really did sound like alt/modern rock songs produced in a dated way to me. Oh well.

  • iani

    Out of all the Idols that are releasing albums Adam sells more
    Internationally than he does in the US. His International fan base
    consist about 60% which match his sales of 1.2 million overseas. Adam
    released 4-5 and even 6 singles in most countries even after a flop 1st
    single (FYE)

    I agree that international recognition matters for musicians to become known artists and ultimately for the artist-label partnership/relationship; many have international success and less in US, money in labels’ pockets back anyhow. David never had officially an oversea-promo, to go there have some radio or televised interviews as Adam had. Some DC songs were sung on some realities shows, used for sport-montages, even fashion ones, so some interest existed and possibility some people to like his music, never promoted except the availability to some itunes in some countries. As a winner he got his contract of 2 years(I thought it was actually for 3 from some comments here like a year ago), brought the money back in RCA bank-account with DCTR, they (maybe) thought they could repeat it with second album base on his popularity, with ” less money invested-good money to get back” formula and didn’t work because the music scene has changed completely in the last 3 years and now you should push more money to keep an artist viable. They did oversea promo and seems they still do for Adam based on his music and marketable persona, David practically, I think, didn’t want to fit their musical formula and is out. With his talent/voice he could have had another TOML or Stronger kind of song and eventually a success maybe easily with a team of hit-maker songwriters like KC has, as a contractual-winner for an example(she has said once her contract is for 5 years).

  • Anonymous

    I guess my question is what does “sustain a career” mean? If it means buying mansions… well, doing that on his own with his hardcore fans on board isn’t going to pay for that. But if it means being able to make a living making music when your aims are fairly modest… I would argue that it’s not impossible to do. Since I’m not David Cook nor do I know David Cook (which is fine since I can’t *speak* around David Cook so I suppose I’d just stand around like an idiot?)… I can’t gauge those things.

  • http://twitter.com/DCfanfromMo pat

    I never have a problem understanding him.  He sings clearly and distinctly.

  • HappyDaisy

    Replying to Tinawina….

    Loved Paper Heart live before the album release.  Disappointed when I heard PH on the album. They “flattened” it or something, really toned it down, doesn’t sound as clear as the live version.  Still like PH but the live and album versions are different.

    Wish Goodbye to the Girl could have seen the light of day.  Amazing song.

  • Anonymous

    Whenever this happens I always think about how hard it must be to lose
    so much.  He went from being on a #1 TV show, doing a stadium tour,
    releasing a million selling album, hearing his songs on the radio,
    headlining a tour, releasing album #2…… then it’s over! How hard it
    must be for David (and his fans) to know those things will PROBABLY
    (note I said probably) never happen again. :( 

    Commercial success is not an absolute precursor to happiness or even a good career in my eyes. The fact that so many people focus on how many #1s an artist gets or how many mansions they can buy…I think it misses the point.

    For artists who really love music and are not just in it for the fame, I think that making good music that they can believe in is the most important thing. Whether they’re playing that music for a stadium of 100,000 or a room of 100 doesn’t matter. Financially, yes you have to make money to do this for a living. But not everyone has to be “superstar” who is on the cover of every magazine to do well for themselves. I’ve seen many who were happier, freer, when they were out of the glare and able to just focus on what music means to them and how it can connect to others.

    And before anyone tells me, yes I know music is a BUSINESS. Except that’s such a logical fallacy to me. Music was around way before people made a business out of it. To me, hearing something that moves me and inspires me is worth way more than the cost of an album. Its more meaningful than who has the highest spin rate or AI. Its deeper than a Billboard chart position. Some of my favorite artists have never played a stadium show or had a charting album. I don’t think they’ll waste much time feeling regret or sadness about that.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    “Rufus, admit who you are. A gay man with a dedicated audience. Junk your label, go completely independent, use Kickstarter, milk your hard core
    audience for every dime its got…THEY LOVE YOU!Your only hope of growing is if your core audience spreads the word. Play to them, not to everybody

    This is true. I read an article very similar. It was an interview with a band(don’t remember the name) that have been touring for 25yrs making a good living without ever having to get an additional job. Basically what they said was the same thing. They gave up along time ago in trying hard to gain new fans but concentrated on their existing fans because those are the one that will follow you at ever tour stop and will buy everything from you and let them do the marketing for you. (I thought about Idol fans. heh). This was before the internet and social media era. It was pretty grassroot. It made so much sense.

     

  • HappyDaisy

    Only in the idol bubble is selling a house a sign of impending poverty, lol.Well it doesn’t look like David is going to be sitting around the house licking his wounds. David discusses future plans at around 1:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v

    Thanks for posting this.  Glad to see that David has some appearances lined up.  Looking forward to more.

  • Anonymous

    Goodbye To The Girl is my favorite song on the album. To be honest, I’m not a huge rock music fan but I bought the album because I like Cook and wanted to hear where he was going with his music. So I was hugely surprised when I felt such a connection to that song. We won’t talk about how many times iTunes tells me its been played now… ;)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIHKL34XDORTS2UZP4SWUUTG3U randi

    Well, another piece of the puzzle found its place.  If he is self-promoting, that is the reason he is selling his 1.3 million house.  That sucks… Its a lot of pressure for the other guys like Adam, Kris…  How many Cd’s do you have to sell to be “safe”?  None of the latest idols CD’s has reached 1 million.  For a guy like Adam, losing RCA could be devastated.

    I don’t know if there is a magic number that must be met to be “safe” but I’m pretty sure you can’t sell just over 100K on a major label and be okay, not when you’re coming off an album that sold over 1.5 million. 

    The thing that Adam has going for him that the others don’t is international sales.  RCA knows he’s bigger in Europe than in the U.S. and a sale is a sale. 

    Cook’s music never appealed to a audience outside his core fanbase IMO.  The new song is a total downer.  I wish he’d get back to music like he produced on Analog Heart.  That was great music both lyrically and sonically. 

  • Anonymous

    I am really interested to hear what kind of stuff he writes now. I don’t
    expect any huge changes, but he can push his basic sound in a more
    alt-ish direction,  or a more creative direction, or sort of stay where
    he is, so I am along for the ride just to see where it all goes. I said a
    while back that I liked what he did with the Circadian – Goodbye To The
    Girl – Rapid Eye Movement trio and I’d like to see him develop more
    along those lines. I like the stuff he comes up with when he writes with
    his bandmates and Hodges.

    But ‘The Last Song I’ll Write For You’ is not an indication that he is going in a more alt direction, it’s pretty much in the same vein as the AC leaning tracks from TLM.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Me too. I loved Paper Heart and Circadian especially to pieces in that AOL live band performance thingy he did. Just loved them, they sounded energetic and fresh and liked that he had evolved. Something got lost in the studio recordings of both for me…they got buried in stuff. Still liked the songs but they sounded older somehow.

    But hey, its all good. I feel like Cookie got a really good shot at it which is really all you can ask from these shows. I’m not mad at anyone. He had his time, he got to make his music and try it out, its over, and now he has to take the experience and contacts and begin the next phase.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t know if this is any consolation to David’s fans, but I listen to a very popular soft rock station at work and David is on regular rotation here, so I think that is definitely a good sign.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIHKL34XDORTS2UZP4SWUUTG3U randi

    I think it all comes down to getting exposure for the songs, and currently, it’s not like radio is rushing at the chance to play Adam’s music either.

    International radio counts too.  This is something that I know within the idol bubble people like to pretend doesn’t matter but there’s a big ole world outside the border of this country and shockingly their money spends just like the U.S. Dollar and gets deposited into the bank accounts of RCA. 

    Cook didn’t connect with his second album.  That’s what it boils down to.  I bought his second album and liked several songs but he certainly didn’t make a radio friendly album. 

    As for him choosing to leave RCA, why would ANY artist choose to leave a major label that can back him financially?  That makes no sense and is usually only believed by fans who want to make themselves feel better that their favorite got dropped.

    If Adam leaves RCA after Trespassing it won’t be because he wanted to leave. 

  • Anonymous

    Little by little the fans and David are getting those opportunities we’ve wished for. Opening for JBJ, another USO tour, an international tour and much more. No doubt we can all be content that Simon Fuller has taken over and is taking care of business. 
    He gets the job done and I’m not worried whatsoever for DC’s future. Fuller will make DC big either in the US or overseas or both you just watch him. David Cook is too big of an asset to pass on.David is top priority for Fuller (just like Carrie was). XIX management is going full throttle.All the obstacles caused by RCA are now out of the way and David can and will soar.Happy camper here. 

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Me too. I loved Paper Heart and Circadian especially to pieces in that AOL live band performance thingy he did. Just loved them, they sounded energetic and fresh and liked that he had evolved. Something got lost in the studio recordings of both for me…they got buried in stuff. Still liked the songs but they sounded older somehow.

    Serletic’s production… there are effects I liked, and I could see the justification for going with all the layers when there were some rather stylish indie artists getting praised for going that direction. But –  if Cook ever makes an album with production that comes closer to capturing the “live” sound, I’d be among those eager to hear it.

  • Anonymous

    Many artists choose to leave major labels for total creative control and ownership of their music and enable themselves to get a bigger piece of the money pie. When you’re on a major label, they are your bosses and you obey.  Leaving that for a smaller or indie label gives you that creative outlet that you might not necessarily get with a major.

  • Anonymous

    These sappy songs he keeps writing and performing are terrible. Based on his post idol material, he is one of the worst winners ever, if not the worst.

    LOL! Do you feel better now you’ve got that off your chest?

    Regardless of his first album sales.

    Ah yes, those first album sales (not to mention the platinum and gold singles). They really are a fly in the schadenfreude ointment, aren’t they?

    I wish I could angst on cue, but it’s just not happening, sorry. I can’t read Cook’s mind, obviously, but the last few weeks, he’s sounded happy, liberated and eager to figure out what’s next. I’ll bet it’s scary too, but hey, that’s how life is sometimes. The Idol/RCA phase is over, on to the next phase.

  • Anonymous

     International radio counts too.

    For those countries, but it’s not like it’s a roll over effect for the US.  Besides, back this up with actual facts about what the songs are doing in those other countries.  Obviously doing well in the US is important to RCA, or they wouldn’t be spending so much money on a radio tour.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIHKL34XDORTS2UZP4SWUUTG3U randi

    Many A+ list artists choose to leave major labels for total creative contro,l ownership of their music and publishing, and enable themselves to get a bigger piece of the money pie. When you’re on a major label, they are your bosses and you obey.  Leaving that for a smaller or indie label gives you that creative outlet that you might not necessarily get with a major.

    The key being A+ list artists, which David Cook is not.  If someone like Kelly Clarkson left a major label to go to an Indie label I would believe it was for creative control or ownership of her music because she has the catalog of music and the selling power to stay on a major label.

    David Cook’s last album barely cleared 100K and his last two singles tanked on radio.  He’s right back to where he was prior to idol without a major label except maybe with a bit more name recognition. 

    He won’t have the distribution deals that a major label can afford him nor the A&R support to push his music to radio and he doesn’t have enough of a track record in the industry to get by on his cred alone.   An artist like David needs a major label to back him or he’s just like the thousands (or millions) of musicians who play in bars to make a living but have no real security in the long term. 

    Without a major label David will struggle.  That’s just the way it is.

  • Anonymous

    Many A+ artists AND unknowns go the same route, I should have added. Leaving majors and going indie or self releasing material is where the money is, IF they have an outlet to sell their music. I think you’d be surprised at how many well known, successful artists are doing that as well as those up and coming artists. ANd remember, you’d only have to sell a fraction of CDs to make the same or more $$ on an independent or self released label.

    And that catalog of music from Clarkson is now owned by RCA, not her – and will forever stay that way.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIHKL34XDORTS2UZP4SWUUTG3U randi

    Obviously doing well in the US is important to RCA, or they wouldn’t be spending so much money on a radio tour.

    I never said U.S. Radio wasn’t important.  I said it’s not the ONLY radio that RCA counts as important. 

    As for who pays for the radio tour, where do you get the information that the labels pays for it?  Can you provide your source?  Radio, I would assume hires the artists they think will appeal to their audience. 

  • Anonymous

    I think you would have to be a well known artist to go that route. Idols have a much tougher time because they are not well known, plus they have the stigma of getting dropped by a major label.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIHKL34XDORTS2UZP4SWUUTG3U randi

    And that catalog of music from Clarkson is now owned by RCA, not her – and will forever stay that way.

    Could you post Kelly’s contract with RCA?  I’d love to read it too. 

    The point I was making is Kelly has five successful albums and countless successful radio hits under her belt, not one successful album and two mildly successful singles. 

    If David had started off as an UNKNOWN and been signed by RCA then yes I could see him trying it out and deciding he didn’t like the big label feel but he went on IDOL which means his GOAL was to be a major star/artist in the industry.  You don’t go on a show like Idol with dreams of being an indie artist (not in season 7 anyway). 

    It’s disingenuous IMO to pretend that David (or any idol who has been dropped) is happy about this development.   

  • Anonymous

    mickeybordentwo: Most people aren’t going to buy an album just because someone was on a tv show, they are going to buy it because of the music. Lee, Kris, David, Adam, Jordin and everybody else had the chance to introduce their music to the larger music buying public, and if they didn’t take advantage of that opportunity, and go beyond just being someone from a reality tv show, then that’s on them, their management, label, and the music that they released, and not on anyone else.

    I totally agree. I didn’t watch the show Cook’s season, but from everything I’ve read and heard about it, he came off it with a tremendous amount of good will and momentum and both were fumbled — not right away, but what has happened since has been like looking back at a fumble in slow motion. 

    The fact that he sold initially as well as he did to me seems to have been due to fans from the show and non-show watchers like me that they seemed to have picked up by accident. There either wasn’t a plan to capitalize on that, or the plan they conceived was completely wrong for Cook — I’ve seen evidence for both. And again, I agree with the list of who should bear responsibility for that.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, I pressed ‘Like’ by mistake as I only partially agree with your post.

    Good for him if he can make a decent living out of it, but from what I have read, being an indie artist means living in a smelly van with bandmates and struggling to make ends meet. It’s alright until you want a family, but then what?

  • Anonymous

    Very much agree with this. Anyone that goes on Idol wants to be a big star. Their goal is not to be an indie performer.

  • Anonymous

    I think you have a misguided sense of how much some indie artists make, esp if they have name recognition. Independent labels aren’t just for unknowns anymore… they are a viable and lucrative alternative to majors these days.

  • Anonymous

    Being a bigger indie artist isn’t about smelly vans and performing in hole-in-wall bars.  Many artists travel in reasonable comfort and sing in front of solid crowds. 

    There’s advantages and disadvantages to being on your own, but it’s not the kiss of death many see it as.  If you have name recognition, as Cook does, you can use that as a springboard in terms getting stuff out.  With technology being so good now, he can promote himself effectively.

    Lemons into lemonade, as they say.

    It’s disingenuous IMO to pretend that David (or any idol who has been dropped) is happy about this development. 

    It’s also unfair to suggest that someone’s career is over if they get dropped, that they’ll be homeless and singing for quarters.  Not that anyone said that really, but it seems to be an impression.  And it’s not true.

  • DragonFly

    Radio refusing to play good music IS the problem & they could CARE LESS who’s losing a record deal.  To hide/play requests at 1:00 – 6:00 a.m. is not going to let the public “love” any artist’s music.  People being allowed to hear new songs repeatedly at prime times of the day makes people look for their music in the stores.  Radio has become arrogant imo.  

    “Having seen many Idols “dropped” I know this is a pretty ugly industry where loyalty is not a well-used word.” – Not that it makes the payroll problem any better for Idol artist’s but it is a good reason for fans here to be understanding that it’s no longer about how hard an artist is trying if that door of opportunity (being given a real chance on radio) CAN’T get opened for them.  Some understanding of how hard it is getting to be is needed & we can at least be kind.
     
    “If you listen to Top 40 radio, it’s almost all R&B and hiphop music.” — if that’s the real KEY, Heaven help us/them.  It may be “an only chance to get noticed” as we’ve seen a cple of recent Idols hit (or too early to tell, miss with) on Itunes.  Adele & Clarkson are the exception with their songs being mixed in between, but it seems painfully apparent that a few “radio music JUDGES (those who decide what gets played) are shoving a style of music down even station’s throats as to what they play.  Who gets a shot (ito-a) –IN THEIR OPINION-AMEN –end of story once they flippantly discard a single as “meh” for their pocketbook interest.  Why bother with a “maybe” when they can play the same few artists & get away with it?

     

  • Anonymous

    Adam’s boat is very different because he has a lot of international fans and in fact he sold more FYE outside the US.  This international support is just one of the many reasons that he is in pretty good shape going into this era.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Serletic’s production… there are effects I liked, and I could see the
    justification for going with all the layers when there were some rather
    stylish indie artists getting praised for going that direction.

    Exactly! Not just getting praise, but selling big with that epic, lush feel. I just think Serletic didn’t quite pull it off. You can do that and sound modern,or you can do that and sound like Journey LOL. But hey, DC was there too and he approved it, so I can’t absolve him of blame. I’d still like to see him go more in that direction because there was something about that dreamy, full quality that really works with his voice IMO.

  • Nele621

    Why is it Taylor only sold 52,000 albums and didn’t have a tour to speak of. It seemed if his indie venture was so successful, he would have done more. Instead, he went the Broadway route.

  • Listening

    Randi, David’s way way waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy further along than he was before Idol let’s not kid around here. Before Idol David’s mentioned he’d be lucky to sing before 5 people and 2 of them worked there. I know that’s probably a bit of an exaggeration to be funny but you know it’s close. Also I believe before Idol  Analog Heart his self released album had only sold 1000 yep that few. And if i’m not mistaken he’d been overjoyed by just that. Now after Idol David could get that easy even by himself get that in a day if he announced an album over twitter heck probably hours.

    Idol has given him more than a BIT of recognition it’s too massive for just a bit and too prolific it’s steeped in the history of American media. It’s a bigger deal than any other talent show. Which one do you think would gain the public or a club owners attention more saying i’m an American Idol winner or saying i’m a Voice winner? Easily hands down saying i’m an Idol winner gets more interest. You don’t even have to be a winner to get attention simply mentioning you were like in the top 12 can get you in the door of businesses. Nobody but a few people in his home town knew his name before Idol now he’s known all over the world especially some of those Asian countries where Idol’s really big. So umm yeah more than a bit of recognition.

    But I do agree that he wasn’t picked up by RCA not that David didn’t want to re-sign he’d always seemed happy w/ them. He said that simply to save face or maybe he actually convinced himself that they parted ways purely of his own wishes. I might believe it if he got immediately signed to another major label. It just doesn’t make sense to leave big time label w/ all the benefits you can gain from them. Also if they think you’re worth it they’ll bend to your wishes. I believe w/ Kelly she fought w/ her label to be more rock and write her own songs and they let her do it though they complained about it the entire time. And in regards to David they let him take as long as he wanted w/ the album to mess around w/ it, they didn’t force him to get it out immediately. So if a label is willing to work w/ you I don’t see the need to try something new.

    But hey I think David will be fine. Also I think it will be easier for David to make it back to real good sales say like 300k b/c he’s already in the subconscious of America back in the corner of their minds most Idol watchers will be like oh yeah I remember that guy and are more prone to buy his stuff.  They’ll recollect I liked his stuff on Idol or I bought his record before and if interest is peeked just a bit they’re likely to do it again. David just needs to hit on that one good song that catches on w/ the public, radio.

    People can be let go and then make a comeback or have poor sales one album and much better sales the next one. For instance Mariah Carey I recall she was paid by her record label to leave them and then the next time she came out w/ an album it sold great. Also wasn’t the sales for the album before Britney’s newest one not as good as usually. Britney’s newest one was known as her comeback album. Yeah I know they’re two super stars but i’m saying that could happen to David on a much smaller scale.

  • Anonymous

      In the last five years the albums of Idols just haven’t been as good as they could be.  First rate talent is no good with second rate music and it happens all of the time:  it is the reason I no longer get excited by who wins.  Too often, the best music the contestants on Idol ever sing is on the show; they don’t seem to put out a great album or song.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    But my inability to angst over this comes from this: Whether he’s an A+ artist or not, he’s been a musician for a long time and he put out albums on his own before. He has a core fanbase that will still follow him. He has good contacts, and he doesn’t seem to *need* the whole superstar thing. I’d say that he has better contacts than most of the regular Joe working musicians out there, and that should help.

    Maybe RCA did just say “See ya” and he had no decision to make at all. Or maybe they came to him to restructure with something that wasn’t enough to make him still want to give someone else control. No clue. I just know that you CAN make a decent living at music without RCA. Will it be easy? No – but since when is it easy on a major label, either? There are expectations and pressures there that can be brutal. I’m not going to throw a pot of rainbow paint at it and declare it AWESOME that he’s not with his major label anymore. Like I said before, I’m sure he’d LOVE to be with them with a deal he was happy with. But I don’t think it’s all gloom and doom, either, not by a long shot, and I think “struggle” would depend on where he wants to be and if he’s able to attain the level he wants to attain.

  • Anonymous

    That’s a sweeping generalization. There are indie artists who have had no breaks at all, have 5 fans who come to their shows because they are dating them/related to them, and who have to beg and plead with venues to let them play for free (this is the world I lived in). Then there are indie artists who have a bigger fanbase who can generate more income with shows and music sales.

  • Anonymous

    “In the last five years the albums of Idols just haven’t been as good as
    they could be.  First rate talent is no good with second rate music and
    it happens all of the time:  it is the reason I no longer get excited by
    who wins.  Too often, the best music the contestants on Idol ever sing
    is on the show; they don’t seem to put out a great album or song.”

    ….Absolutely true. … On the other hand, the albums from the first few seasons weren’t all that great either, as I recall!

    Much as everybody likes to point to the stars of music up on the stage, it’s the songwriters — and producers — on whom most of the success hinges, I’d say. …. And in the Idol franchise, especially, they have the tendency to grab the first  under-contract songwriter they’ve got  or rummage through the reject drawers of big-name songwriters to get the music. And the reject drawers are full — because for every great song you tend to write about 20 bad-to-mediocre ones, as far as I can tell.

    This is true in a lot of cases outside of Idol, too, of course. Producing a good song — not so daggone easy.

  • Anonymous

    Right, BUT… there are also probably plenty of people who get to a certain point where they thought they wanted to be and realized that it isn’t right for them after all. And out of allllll those Idolettes who wanted to be big stars, only a couple are. But the cool thing is many, many of the ones who are not are still making a living in entertainment – even sometimes popping up years later and surprising us. It’s what you make of the springboard that you’re given… and a detour doesn’t have to mean that you drive off the washed out road, it can mean that you take a new road that maybe you didn’t expect to find but that works out just fine for you. David has always struck me as well-grounded and very, very aware that this could end at any time.

  • Anonymous

    Having lived in the local music scene this – “Before Idol David’s mentioned he’d be lucky to sing before 5 people and 2 of them worked there. I know that’s probably a bit of an exaggeration to be funny but you know it’s close” – may not have been an exaggeration at all lol. I remember distinctly a couple years into my brother’s career when we had a show and the only two people there were my sister and… me. It happens.

  • http://twitter.com/Sma11ie Smalls

    I thought I posted something but I can’t figure out DISQUS… trying again:

    ” If it means buying mansions… well, doing that on his own with his hardcore fans on board isn’t going to pay for that. But if it means being able to make a living making music when your aims are fairly modest… I would argue that it’s not impossible to do.” 
     
    As David himself so aptly put in at the Night of Hope concert, #richwhiteguyproblems ;).
     
    *I haven’t posted here forever, let’s see if it works- firewalls were blocking comments here for a while. P.S. Some things never change. Agree the crap out of everything tinawina and tierbee post :). Like like like! Haha.

    ETA: OMG, it worked!

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    sma11ie!!!!!! **hugs** You would pop up right when I have to leave for the day. LOL. Long time no see!!!

  • Anonymous

    Need another show in our area so you can come this time, Ms. Tinawina! We missed you!

    And hellllooo Smalls :) Good to “see” you again here, lady!

    *Hugs my fan friends* Mr. Cook has brought me such wonderful things – my fan friends, so much music, Race for Hope. I am looking forward to seeing what’s next!

  • Tess

    Well, if David Cook and the other Idols who have lost their contracts are happy about it then they are, by far, better people than me.  I love what I do creatively, but when the economy died and I went from a super large well known architectural firm with huge creative projects to doing some small consultant work (even though artistically satisfying) I thought it sucked.  I’d rather be working for lots of bucksand having the company find the work to keep me busy, then having to be a one woman show and keeping all the plates spinning to keep a roof over my head even though I am “calling all the shots”.

    And I know it is just making lemonades out of lemons but I don’t really think fans have a clue about how an artist feels when the rug is pulled out from under them…I bet they are pretty mad, sad, frustrated, angry, and do the same “why me” as the rest of us do.

    David probably made several million bucks his first year out and now he is having to fork out his own money to “back” whatever career he still has.  And, just like the rest of us, he puts on his happy face and goes about his business but I don’t think, for a minute, that he wouldn’t like those million buck years back.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I give up on trying to get to shows. I think we should just do lunch and call it a day. LOL **badfan**

    Now I am going to go because mj is going to kill us for using this thread as our own personal message board! Besides I need to get the hell out of my house and do stuff before I run out of time. Twitter me ladies! I promise I’ll actually check it for once!

  • Anonymous

    Well, yeah, I’m sure he’s disappointed. And since he’s got the politician thing down pat I’m sure he wouldn’t say so even if he was heartbroken. But, like I said, he’s also been eyes-wide-open with this whole thing as far as I’ve been able to tell and I don’t think he would have been blindsided by this. And he’s certainly not going to starve, so I think he’ll be just fine.

    I just know that he looked happier than I’ve seen him in a long, long time at the RFH stuff. Maybe he’s just a very good actor :) but that made me feel better anyway as a fan that whatever happens next, he was at peace with it. With the usual disclaimer that I don’t know him, can’t read his mind, etc., etc.

  • Anonymous

    “I remember distinctly a couple years into my brother’s career when we
    had a show and the only two people there were my sister and… me. It
    happens.”

    It definitely happens. And sometimes you’re happy that it does. Because when the third person enters, it’s often a bitter heckler whose girlfriend has just broken up with him and who is really really drunk. … On top of everything else, thereafter he’ll connect your music to the worst night of his life. And probably tell people this. lol

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, to say you’re happy about basically being fired/layed off or whatever is pretty ridiculous, but you dust yourself and start over again. Life is not easy for anybody these days.

  • Anonymous

    I kind of conclude that RCA doesn’t have an artist selling than 100K of an album after several months?
    Doesn’t seem right for me when 95% of the album sells less than 5,000 units.
    I wonder why RCA wouldn’t give David full creative control

  • CircadianDomination

    How can you say his cowrites hadn’t done well on radio when the label hadn’t released any of them? Who knows what would have happened had RCA released Heroes, Declaration, or Lie off of the first album. 

    Then the second album… They release a Teddar cowrite (that wasn’t very good) along with a song that David didn’t originally write, instead he changed it up after it was pitched by Griffin. 

    He’s unproven as a mainstream writer. Why? Because the label never gave his writing a fighting chance on radio. I’ll never understand a label releasing a song based on who wrote it… Just release the catchiest song. And “Let Me Fall For You” and “Paper Heart” were both far better choices than TLG, regardless of who wrote them.

    Whether or not David’s writing floats your boat or not, don’t try to rewrite history. 

  • http://twitter.com/sgjools julia

    As for him choosing to leave RCA, why would ANY artist choose to
    leave a major label that can back him financially?  That makes no sense
    and is usually only believed by fans who want to make themselves feel
    better that their favorite got dropped.

    If Adam leaves RCA after Trespassing it won’t be because he wanted to leave.

    I don’t agree with a word of this.  many artists choose to leave major record labels for all sorts of reasons and of all the idols who i could see up and leaving because they weren’t happy with the record company adam is at the top of my list.  He’s already taken a lot of control of his own career, leaving 19m, securing his own deal with an independant publishing and rights management company,  executively producing and creatively directing his own album etc

    thats not saying i don’t think rca would ever drop Adam, i just think he is most likely to want to steer his own boat and take whatever actions he feels necessary to ensure that.

  • http://twitter.com/photogirl52 photogirl52

    Apparently it was his choice to leave RCA after fulfilling his 2-record contract. He wasn’t dropped. He is a very smart guy & having put out previous albums, where he had all or the majority of the control, he may not have wanted to commit to a longer contract (if it was even offered) which would bind him to something he might not be happy with.

    There was definitely something different with the 2nd album. At first I thought his subdued mood was because of loosing his brother but it continued through the album release and even appearances. He just wasn’t the exuberant David that he had been up until that point. I could literally feel a sad/unhappy vibe from him during interviews and appearances, despite words to the contrary that he was saying. Yes, I think he can put on a “good face” when he needs too, i.e. the last half of the 1st tour. The promotion, bookings through the summer to promote the album etc., just didn’t happen and then such a short tour, etc. etc. The writing was on the wall that things were not all rosy in DC/RCA land.

    Seeing him since Clovis Rodeo show, Tiger Jam, RFH and Idol, he has a very happy vibe and sparkle about him again and after that exclusive announcement to Shirley Halperin yesterday I think it safe to say he is happy with the turn of events and seems very positive about his future.

  • musicality

    Seriously now, he was dropped. You can spin it or pretty it up all you want but RCA dumped his ass. Really poor record sales and lack of interest on the public’s part equals dumped. Plain and simple.

  • http://twitter.com/thePeachMango Peach Mango

    I just know that he looked happier than I’ve seen him in a long, long time at the RFH stuff. Maybe he’s just a very good actor :)

    Your comment just reminded me:  Someone tweeted the night of the RFH concert that he had that old inner glow back — the one people were commenting on during the album release party for his debut album.  Not saying he’s over the moon to not have a deal or anything, but I agree that he seems to be in a very good place.  Who knows what’s going on . . .

  • Anonymous

    Cook might have been dropped but he could still be happy about it. It’s like getting laid off from a really miserable job and then realizing it was the best thing that ever happened to you.

  • Anonymous

    So glad you were sitting in the office when they “dumped” him.  You don’t “know” any more than any of the rest of us and if he says his contract was up then his contract was up.  No one and I mean NO ONE knows what his contract was for and I tend to believe the only one who has said anything about the situation and that is Cook himself.  Believe it or not but until the label or David says anything different, I believe him.  

  • http://twitter.com/thePeachMango Peach Mango

    I just know that he looked happier than I’ve seen him in a long, long time at the RFH stuff. Maybe he’s just a very good actor :)

    tierbee’s comment just reminded me:  The nigh of the RFH concert, someone did tweet about him having that old inner glow back — the one that many fans commented about the night of the release party for his debut album.  Now I’m not saying he’s over the moon to not have a record deal, but he really does seem to be in a really good place.  And as tierbee said, usual disclaimer about I don’t know him, can’t read his mind, no idea what’s going on in his personal life, etc.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed…I see a lot of people arguing “why would someone walk away from a major label deal?” These are the same people who ask why someone would leave their rich successful husband (because the love is gone and he’s a controlling ass) or quit a high-paying job (because they hate the actual job). Money isn’t everything and major label deals aren’t all they are cracked up to be…just ask Prince.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed…I see a lot of people arguing “why would someone walk away from a major label deal?” These are the same people who ask why someone would leave their rich successful husband (because the love is gone and he’s a controlling ass) or quit a high-paying job (because they hate the actual job). Money isn’t everything and major label deals aren’t all they are cracked up to be…just ask Prince.

  • Anonymous

    I wish him a lot of luck. He remains my favorite Idol to date.  I’m sure he’ll keep making music, and maybe he’ll even gravitate to acting or plays. Who knows.

    I do think that he kind of tuned out from his fans over the last 2 years. Just comparing his visibility/tweeting/etc that I see here.  I always got the sense he really struggled with the public nature of the Idol beast and got more than he bargained for.  Like it or not, you kind of have to pimp yourself a bit when in the biz, and your biggest claim to fame is the celebrity aspect of winning rather than your music. Which is true of all the Idols, not just Cook.  He didn’t seem to like the marketing aspect. We’ll see if that changes now, when he is back to being a scrappy independent.  I think he may like the challenge.

  • Anonymous

    And I know it is just making lemonades out of lemons but I don’t really
    think fans have a clue about how an artist feels when the rug is pulled
    out from under them…I bet they are pretty mad, sad, frustrated, angry,
    and do the same “why me” as the rest of us do.

      Who can know how anybody feels? Everybody’s experience and reaction to change is different.

    I lost a well-paying job in 2008 and turned to running this very blog for income. I work ten times harder for less money. It’s been frustrating and overwhelming at times. But guess what? I wouldn’t trade the last 4 difficult years for anything in the world. I’ve learned things about myself I would not have other wise.  And I have accomplished things that I never imagined in a million years. For me, I welcome the opportunity to drive my own destiny, even if the road is rockier and less certain.

    I telll this long winded personal story to illustrate how we’re all different.I’m not going to project my own experience on to other people. Maybe David is devastated and scared and putting on a brave face for everyone. But I could just as easily imagine him exhilarated, or at least optimistic about the change in his circumstances.  I’m not going to assume anything, because I just don’t know.

  • Anonymous

    wut? i just said his music suxxx

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “his contract was up after TLM”

    It could be just PR speak for the label not picking up their option on a 3rd album.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “they can’t afford to keep him, he is not making money for the label so
    that is why he is no longer with the label.  David is a product, so if
    the product doesn’t sell and make money for the company (label), they
    move on to the next one.”

    This is true for everyone, not just David, and with the cutbacks, layoffs and other measures that SONY has taken recently, they can’t afford to keep anyone who isn’t profitable.

  • Carasha Mey

    A recording contract is not all shine and glory and like a normal job contract.
    The label gives advance and the artist has to pay for a lot of things himself at the end. 
     

  • iani

    Well, it seems that the thread is almost done, lots for interesting thoughts shared here, even some changed ones from what they were initially shared like a year ago, the #1 DC fan seems to be back(K), David is dropped and my guilty pleasure, he made the RCA bankrupt, eh. Hope the others to save it(RCA)! He’ll be fine, maybe finally settled, doing music, having side projects, freely individual how should be a 30 years old guy to whom being a star in order to fill others’ pockets I think it has not really been his goal and he has been pretty open about it(star).

  • http://twitter.com/chiribaby Chiri Cheruiyot

    RCA seems to have trusted Adam Lambert since he co-wrote 12/15 songs on his new album, executive produced it and was the creative director on it. They got him some pretty good producers like Pharell Williams and even Nile Rodgers joined him just to play bass on his song Shady. Well that was the creative process and if any of you have listened to his new album Trespassing it is really good. We will see over the next weeks if it will sell well and what RCA will do if God forbid it tanks (I doubt it will). Luckily for Adam he has a large international fan base with his previous singles and album doing very well in Scandinavian countries, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Germany etc.

    I feel bad for David Cook but if he feels he was not being given the creative leeway to create an album that represents him as an artist, then its better for them to part ways now and let him sing what he wants. The music industry is very fickle and it’s one thing to get to number one and a whole other to maintain that position. Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood seem to be the exceptions. I wish him all the best and with talent by his side, I’m sure his future will be bright.

  • Jae

    And Tedder can write.  I think there just has to be a good connection. I really like that Fighter song he has with gym class heroes. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UITYTUSGL7IK7WLFFDXXRYP7GA Falfor

    David has a real knack for doing great covers. If Harry Conniff Jr can make a living doing that, so can David. 

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “I still don’t get why Idol was successful in the first 5 years finding
    people that connected outside the Idol fanbase but in the past 5 years
    they’re almost batting zero.”

    I think that a big part of it is that the viewing demographic has been changing over the years, with an increasing proportion of older viewers vs. younger ones, so that Idol audience who voted for Kelly has changed a lot, with the 18-35 year old demographic becoming increasingly less represented.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “I think a lot of it just comes down to the music. His original music IMO
    is just not as interesting and he doesn’t sound as good singing his own
    music as he does when singing covers… sad to say, but I liked the
    songs he sang on Idol better than anything I’ve heard on his 2 post Idol
    CD’s…”

    This is how I feel about David. I bought a few of his performances on Idol, plus the cheesy TOML (that all of his fans seem to hate lol ), but I didn’t like any of his other music.  I think that David is a very talented vocalist and seems like a sincere, good guy, but I never liked any of his post-Idol music enough to buy it.  I wish him well though.

  • fuzzywuzzy
    Begs the question of what happened to those 1million +
    people who bought Cook’s 1st cd, downloaded all those singles during
    Idol, and bought TOML, LO and CBTM… People “heard” him plenty then –
    did they all just fall over a cliff in the 2nd era?

    Well, without hearing a new song on their radio, how did they know the second era existed?

    Perhaps, the thinking was that a large proportion of Cook’s fans would be continuing Idol fans and learn of his new single and album through his performance on the show of TLG last year? I can imagine that this was considered a reasonable assumption, and David performing a new single again yesterday also suggests that Fuller believes that is where and how a lot of David’s “dormant” fans will be reached.

  • Karen C

    everybody seems to like to dog on Tedder. But you have to look at it from RCA’s perspective too. They can try to go with songs from a guy with a track record or they can trust a guy who just won a singing competition with no track record of writing hits. TLG was a major flop, but I can at least see the label’s point of view in trying to push stuff from well known songwriters rather than trusting an unknown quantity, which as a songwriter is what David is. They had a big score going with known writers on the first album. 

    If that is true, that they wanted a single from a well known cowriter with David, then why not use one of the songs that was cowritten with David Hodges, who has also written hit songs, possibly as many if not more than Ryan Tedder.   The difference being the David Hodges cowrites (Circadian and REM) were central to the album, where the Ryan Tedder cowrite did not fit with the rest of the album.   If they had released Circadian as an alt rock or AAA song, it would at least have better reflected the rest of the album.

    The answer is that they were trying to push TLM more towards a pop album, and not rock or alternative album.  

  • Anonymous

    I have no doubts Cook is going to be just fine. He certainly seems more relaxed, at least he did in his idol performance last night. His two prior performances, he seemed more tense or nervous or something.

    He’s a smart, talented guy and he’ll get his music heard.

  • Karen C

    There was definitely something different with the 2nd album. At first I thought his subdued mood was because of loosing his brother but it continued through the album release and even appearances. He just wasn’t the exuberant David that he had been up until that point. I could literally feel a sad/unhappy vibe from him during interviews and appearances, despite words to the contrary that he was saying.

    I noticed that too last year, and now hearing him talk about wanting to work with cowriters he knows rather than strangers, and that many of the songs that were written with cowriters for the last album really didn’t fit him, makes me realize there was probably more of a struggle than we originally know. I think that TLM did for the most part reflect his music on some songs, but there might have been some compromises to get as much as what he wanted as possible. Maybe one being what single was released. 

    I really think that the significant change is the classification of the new song as rock, and not really so much the type of music he is doing itself.

  • Tess

    Who can know how anybody feels? Everybody’s experience and reaction to change is different.

    I never said that Cookie had the same reaction as me, I was just giving another view of the situation based on my personal experiences rather than assuming, like many are/were that David was head over heals ecstatic about being released from RCA. As you said, the bottom line is we don’t know.

  • http://twitter.com/thePeachMango Peach Mango

    I’m with tinawina.  I hope he goes in the direction of Circadian, Goodbye to the Girl and Rapid Eye Movement.  I thought those songs were just outstanding and would love to see him explore that sound/vibe in his next album.  I also really liked Paper Heart when it was played live, but definitely found the song lost a lot of oomph in the studio (which was really strange).  

  • Anonymous

    Heh, I live on the same planet, Peach Mango. I adore Circadian, Goodbye to the Girl and REM… and I also was a little disappointed in Paper Heart as recorded after falling madly in love with it at Busch Gardens x 2 (shh, it had been a while, so I indulged).

    I am interested to hear what he does next. I loved so much of his pre-Idol stuff, and then pieces of what he’s done since… am actually quite excited to get some “unfiltered Cook” stuff.

    So, yeah. I don’t know if he’s maybe crying himself to sleep every night holding onto one of his RCA-era-face-on-front merch shirts but… I hope that this gives him an opportunity to take a challenge and run with it. Maybe he can lose some of the politician-ness and be the “I cuss sometimes” guy a little more. I think I rather like the slightly more “raw” Mr. Cook ;)

  • http://twitter.com/thePeachMango Peach Mango

    So, yeah. I don’t know if he’s maybe crying himself to sleep every night holding onto one of his RCA-era-face-on-front merch shirts

    Yeah, well he should cry.  Because those were some ugly ass shirts!  LOL  Honestly, I can’t believe he signed off on the giant-face-in-front shirts for two consecutive tours.  Similar to tinawina, I’m a fan but do not absolve him of certain decisions made during the RCA era — and those ugly ass shirts are at the top of the list. :P

  • Anonymous

     

     I can imagine that this was considered a reasonable assumption, and David performing a new single again yesterday also suggests that Fuller believes that is where and how a lot of David’s “dormant” fans will be reached.

    And herein lies the lack of vision from Simon Fuller that is also shared by those at 19M.  

  • Anonymous

    Guess this answers all of our questions.

    http://shar.es/2E7gg 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1759402889 Natalie Blake

    So the songs have the same name?? Lots of songs do. They don’t sound alike.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1759402889 Natalie Blake

       Not surprised after the shi**y job RCA did in (not) promoting David’s second album. I’ve had the treat of seeing David Cook in concert twice now, and he is infinitely more talented than the vast majority of “hot” artists today. He frequently sings one of his songs completely unplugged, with only his guitar and NO mic at his shows. It’s breathtaking how he can fill an auditorium with his powerful and near pitch-perfect voice. I always say you can tell how good a singer is by hearing them sing live and unplugged. Check out some of the Youtube videos of “Fade Into Me” and “Lie”, and you’ll see what I mean.
      It really ticked me off that Cook’s second single from TLM, “Fade Into Me”, barely got a blip of play on the radio. It’s a gorgeous song. Yet Gavid Degraw’s comparable, yet somewhat average, tune “Not Over You” was all over the radio for about 6 months straight. Artists can’t get sales if their music isn’t being played for exposure.   On the other hand, I’ve noticed that David Cook does have true staying power with radio hits. The station I most frequently listen to still plays “Come Back to Me”, “Light On”, and even occasionally “Time of My Life”. I truly don’t think that the poor sales of TLM reflect any dip in Cook’s popularity or show that “his type” of music doesn’t sell. TLM was assuredly a softer album than normal for David, but it got absolutely no support from RCA!  So I say good riddance to RCA! I noticed that the new song, “The Last Song I’ll Write for You”, has lots of David’s signature lyric style, reminiscent of his pre-Idol album, “Analog Heart”. For example, I love the line, “Your tongue is a fire and I can’t keep putting out the flame”. We got a taste of David returning with his excellent lyric writing capability with TLM, but now he’ll be even more free to really write, which he has been doing in the past few months. So David must have a plan in place for the next album. : D

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1759402889 Natalie Blake

       Not surprised after the shi**y job RCA did in (not) promoting David’s second album. I’ve had the treat of seeing David Cook in concert twice now, and he is infinitely more talented than the vast majority of “hot” artists today. He frequently sings one of his songs completely unplugged, with only his guitar and NO mic at his shows. It’s breathtaking how he can fill an auditorium with his powerful and near pitch-perfect voice. I always say you can tell how good a singer is by hearing them sing live and unplugged. Check out some of the Youtube videos of “Fade Into Me” and “Lie”, and you’ll see what I mean.
      It really ticked me off that Cook’s second single from TLM, “Fade Into Me”, barely got a blip of play on the radio. It’s a gorgeous song. Yet Gavid Degraw’s comparable, yet somewhat average, tune “Not Over You” was all over the radio for about 6 months straight. Artists can’t get sales if their music isn’t being played for exposure.   On the other hand, I’ve noticed that David Cook does have true staying power with radio hits. The station I most frequently listen to still plays “Come Back to Me”, “Light On”, and even occasionally “Time of My Life”. I truly don’t think that the poor sales of TLM reflect any dip in Cook’s popularity or show that “his type” of music doesn’t sell. TLM was assuredly a softer album than normal for David, but it got absolutely no support from RCA!  So I say good riddance to RCA! I noticed that the new song, “The Last Song I’ll Write for You”, has lots of David’s signature lyric style, reminiscent of his pre-Idol album, “Analog Heart”. For example, I love the line, “Your tongue is a fire and I can’t keep putting out the flame”. We got a taste of David returning with his excellent lyric writing capability with TLM, but now he’ll be even more free to really write, which he has been doing in the past few months. So David must have a plan in place for the next album. : D

  • Anonymous

    I like Cook, but I loved Gavin DeGraws “Not Over You” and I love his new single “Sweeter”. I think more than RCA, David’s lack of management hurt him a lot. He had some great opportunities when the album dropped and I know he did radio stations too, didn’t he? I think his album was just a little to “ac” sounding for me, but I still think he’s great and has a promising future ahead.

  • Anonymous
    I can imagine that this was considered a reasonable
    assumption, and David performing a new single again yesterday also
    suggests that Fuller believes that is where and how a lot of David’s
    “dormant” fans will be reached.

    And herein lies the lack of vision from Simon Fuller that is also shared by those at 19M. 

    I wouldn’t say that it is the case in this instance, because since David doesn’t have the support of a major label and therefore cannot rely on radio play, an Idol performnace is the best promo that he can expect at this stage.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    If Idol is the best shot he got at this stage, what he gon’ do for promo after the season ends?  He’s IMO still too latched onto the Idol teat. Fuller and Co don’t have to pound the pavement to hard to get that, lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1563608238 Shirley Tomlinson

    David has said over and over that he will not be a doing a record of covers. He said he would never use the word “never” but he has written some fine songs and he is a writer. I happen to love his music. I think his new song is fantastic, is very very catchy, and I can’t get it out of my head. I think this one has a chance but I think it needs radio airplay. Will the local stations, especially rock stations, play it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1563608238 Shirley Tomlinson

    Perhaps we need to be nudged from some bad situations to find the open door to our happiness. I think David has a bright future. I look forward to more great songs from him. I’m so happy right now with this one and hope it eventually gets radio airplay.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1563608238 Shirley Tomlinson

    Well said. His best stuff hasn’t been heard by the masses.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     No.