Susan Boyle Will Go Scorched Earth on Adam Lambert, Rihanna, Says Billboard Editor

The editor of Billboard Magazine, Bill Werde, hath spoken, via Twitter:

@bwerde: hearing that susan boyle will go scorched earth on rihanna and adam lambert in album sales this week. so much for a showdown.

I’m not really surprised…

thanks maura…

Update from Hits Daily Double:

DREAM COMES TRUE: Susan Boyle’s Columbia album, I Dreamed a Dream, which hit the streets today, is already selling two to three times the estimated pre-release total for retailers, on top of breaking the all-time pre-order record at Amazon.com. Based on current tallies, the disc will easily top 500k and could go even higher. (11/23p)

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172 Comments

  1. I’ll bet that SuBo will outsell EVERYONE this year…..remember mood rings and pet rocks. A fad, is a fad, is a fad….burns bright fades faster!

  2. I posted something from HDD in the headlines thread that they think she’ll do 3-400K this week (based on pre-sales and QVC).

  3. I feel stupid. What does “scorched earth” mean? I’m assuming it means she’ll outsell them, given the context, but I’m not positive.

  4. LOL, Becky. You are not alone on that. I’m assuming the same, but not a good turn of phrase at all.

    LOL @ Susan Boyle. More power to her.

  5. See….SuBo is the best argument that sales don’t mean a hill of beans….and forget radio play…..she doesn’t have any music spinning. Su Bo for the win….she validates me!

  6. That’s not a surprise, I’m more interested to see who sells more, Rihanna or Adam.

    she doesn’t have any music spinning. Su Bo for the win’ ¦.she validates me!

    I’m not sure you really understand what people mean when they say artists (especially new ones) need radio airplay. It’s not about first week (and the first weeks) sales, but long term sales.
    Although, not having a hit single also affects first week sales. Adam doesn’t have radio presence, he could sell more if he had.

  7. I feel stupid. What does ‘scorched earth’  mean?

    “Scorched earth” is a military strategy — in terms of the U.S. — notably used by General Sherman during the civil war, but getting a modern “update” in Vietnam.

    Here’s what Wikipedia says:

    A scorched earth policy is a military strategy or operational method which involves destroying anything that might be useful to the enemy while advancing through or withdrawing from an area. Although initially referring to the practice of burning crops to deny the enemy food sources, in its modern usage the term is not limited to food stocks, and includes the destruction of infrastructure such as shelter, transportation, communications and industrial resources.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorched_earth

    So, it’s basically about destroying everything in your path, i.e., Susan Boyle’s completely wiping out her competition.

  8. I didn’t know what it meant either. From the urban dictionary:

    When an army is retreating, destroying everything that could be of use to the enemy as it goes ie: railways,bridges,buildings,power,oil instalations etc etc so all that falls into the enemy’s hands is wreckage & land scorched by demolition charges.
    “as they retreated, they destroyed everything in their path leaving nothing but fire, destruction and scorched earth”

  9. Ugh, no Su Bo for me and Mom’s not receiving one for Xmas (don’t know about the rest of the family buying one for her, LOL)

  10. Not surprised at all. SuBo will be the sales champ of the fall, and somewhere in England Simon Cowell is toasting himself …

    I’m going to sound like a broken record now, but I’m still wondering who is buying her album and why. Is this just the world’s biggest pity party?

  11. You Tube is what will sell Subo’s albums.[ She doesn’t need radio play] She became a “worldwide” phenomenum because of her rags to riches story which was played out & had so many hits on You Tube!!
    Did you see the huge devoted audience on the NY morning show this morning , where SuBo sang outdoors ? They were so into her performance!! Good on her for bouncing back & doing this – when performing in front of large crowds is not natural for her!! I hope she does live up to the hype that has surrounded her!!

  12. I’m not sure you really understand what people mean when they say artists (especially new ones) need radio airplay.

    I’m not stupid and I understand what you are saying and after 50 years of listening to music, all kinds of music and seeing what happens within the industry I’ll call bull-shit when I hear that radio play is the be all and end all. And everything you say is an assumption and I have a right to my opinion as do others…and I get friggin tired of people telling me my opinion is wrong when I see that it does happen.

  13. As I was flicking this weekend I saw the Boyle cd on QVC and thought, “Man, smart marketing. People who shop on QVC will be all over that.” Not surprised at all she’s going to have a big week.

  14. Eek. Scorched earth on Adam and RiRi? Not really surprised though. SuBo sings nice songs nicely and I’m sure some find her whole story appealing. Can’t say I do though. lol

  15. Is this just the world’s biggest pity party?

    No – there is a large number of people who like this kind of easy listening music, sung by sub operatic voices (or fully operatic voices or jazz voices).

    And, why shouldn’t they?

  16. How deliciously ironic to hear Adam Lambert fans, of all people, throw “fad” around as an insult.

  17. Adam Storm ain’t got nuthin on the SuBo Tsunami!

    The Old Virgin Cat Lady Has a Dream – to crush all in her path!

    I kinda dig the underdog-it-ness of it all.

  18. Not shocking. Great for SuBo and sort of vindicating in today’s image obsessed society.

    I’m very interested in seeing how Lady GaGa does with her re-release, since it’s divided between a re-release deluxe version and a stand-alone EP version. Not sure if they’ll count them as one, or if the deluxe will count for her debut while the EP will count as a new album.

  19. What about Lady Gaga? I’m more curious about her than the rest of the lot. Maybe she’ll do the same as Susan Boyle.

  20. The Old Virgin Cat Lady Has a Dream ‘“ to crush all in her path!

    Well, you know, she did that little hip wiggle when she auditioned for BGT which was what probably gave Adam a run for his money and forced him to go all out, with guns a-blazin’, last night!

  21. “Tsunami SuBo” has a nice ring to it. ha!!!

    Wonderings, your post made me roar. Very funny.

  22. fadetowhite
    11/23/2009 at 5:33 pm
    No ‘“ there is a large number of people who like this kind of easy listening music, sung by sub operatic voices (or fully operatic voices or jazz voices).

    And, why shouldn’t they?

    I realize that there is a market forSuBo’s type of music, but it typically doesn’t generate record levels of sales. Therefore, I’m still wondering why her CD is selling so well, and I am guessing that maybe it’s mainly due to her back story. Because IMO, she has a pleasant voice, but it certainly isn’t outstanding, nor are any of the performances on her album.

  23. I realize that there is a market forSuBo’s type of music, but it typically doesn’t generate record levels of sales.

    Andrea Bocelli? Josh Groban?

  24. Jolene
    11/23/2009 at 5:43 pm
    I realize that there is a market forSuBo’s type of music, but it typically doesn’t generate record levels of sales.

    Andrea Bocelli? Josh Groban?

    SuBo is nowhere as talented as either of these guys. And I don’t think either of them have sales of an individual album equal to what she is going to pull in this year.

  25. 14.5 million people watched the awards so 1,500 complaints is nothing. ABC said they got some call ins to say they liked it too. Adam is certainly the talk of the town.

    I’m not surprised as Susan Boyle. She’s going to kick ass with her first week sales. Simon was right to sign her up even though she lost the Britain’s Got Talent show!

  26. Lady GaGa’s album is #1 on iTunes right now, so maybe SueBo isn’t gonna go “scorched earth” on her

  27. Not shocking. Great for SuBo and sort of vindicating in today’s image obsessed society.

    yes!! Very true. She defies everything that is supposed to be “current” and “chic” but yet she’s going to prove you don’t have to be a skinny bleached-blonde to do well in the music world. I’m happy for her.

  28. Lady GaGa’s album is #1 on iTunes right now, so maybe SueBo isn’t gonna go ‘scorched earth’  on her

    Susan has Amazon as well as QVC and other outlets too though. I think its a fight between the two of them for first place for sure. Even if Susan only gets 2nd in the U.S. thats pretty darn good. Her sales are going to be through the roof!

  29. How deliciously ironic to hear Adam Lambert fans, of all people, throw ‘fad’  around as an insult.

    Well, I didn’t mean it as an insult…just as a reference….but it peeps want to blast me, again, that is just fine…I’m a big girl.

    And, yup, Adam is the ultimate fad. Ain’t no substance behind him at all. We all know that the conclusion of many is that he will be history before the end of the year…but just like many fads, hula hoops come to mind, he will be iconic in his demise!

  30. See’ ¦.SuBo is the best argument that sales don’t mean a hill of beans’ ¦.and forget radio play’ ¦..she doesn’t have any music spinning. Su Bo for the win’ ¦.she validates me!

    yup yup!

  31. I am guessing that maybe it’s mainly due to her back story.

    It’s certainly been inflated by the back story and huge Youtube exposure following BGT.

    But there just is a huge world wide audience for exactly this kind of music and it transcends all sorts of boundaries.

    Assuming that it’s just ‘pity’ is an insult to the buying audience, IMO. If you read around the internet, you will find plenty of people who are just as devoted to Susan Boyle’s voice as any Idol fan is to their ‘idol’.

    It’s the power of TV and hype and backstory, combined with a singer who fits into a very popular genre of music, like a hand into a glove.

    Whether she’s a one off, one hit wonder (likely I’d imagine) or not: the market for this is both long established and viable.

  32. who buys albums/cds anymore? oh, the kind of ppl who would buy a susan boyle album. see michael buble’s success this year with almost no airplay. plus all the pent-up demand of ppl who haven’t bought music in years.

  33. 14.5 million people watched the awards so 1,500 complaints is nothing. ABC said they got some call ins to say they liked it too. Adam is certainly the talk of the town.

    Or the majority of the 14.5 million people just don’t care one way or another about what Adam Lambert did. They don’t care if he sang at all. They don’t care about him at all. I just get the feeling that some probably thought Adam who?

    And maybe my town isn’t talking because I heard nothing about it locally, but I do live in Indiana, so maybe that’s the problem.

  34. I think its a fight between the two of them for first place for sure.

    As I said earlier, it’s possible that Lady GaGa’s sales will be divided between the two versions available, Nobody’s really sure how they’ll be counted since one includes her first album and one doesn’t. We’ll see. If it’s all taken into account as one release, though, I’m sure she’ll be up there, probably below SuBo, but above Adam and RiRi.

  35. who buys albums/cds anymore? oh, the kind of ppl who would buy a susan boyle album. see michael buble’s success this year with almost no airplay. plus all the pent-up demand of ppl who haven’t bought music in years.

    I didn’t buy Adam’s. I cant’ remember the last actual CD I bought. I don’t even buy albums off itunes anymore. I usually just buy songs. I just bought songs off Adam’s.

    My parents prefer Cds just because they don’t mess with the digital downloads

  36. Updated guys.

    Scandinavia (Northern Europe)

    Finland: #2 pop chart, #2 general chart (briefly at #1)
    Denmark: #10 pop chart, #17 general chart
    Sweden: #8 pop chart, #13 general chart
    Norway: # 24 pop chart, #50 general chart

    Other European countries:

    UK: #20 pop chart, #40 general chart
    France: #35 pop chart, #93 general chart
    Portugal: #4 pop chart, #10 general chart

    Rest of world:

    New Zealand: #2 pop chart, #3 general chart
    Canada:#5 pop chart, #10 general chart

    In Canada, these are the # for the deluxe album. The regular album is right behind at #6 pop and #11 in general chart
    I think this is awesome news (only been 1 day) yay go Adam.

  37. LindaT
    I am guessing that maybe it’s mainly due to her back story.

    Duh.
    Don’t mean to be rude, but this is the clear, number one, absolute reason. He rag-to-riches/cat-lady caring for her mother/little village woman story catches like few Idol stories have. And we know how back stories can propel certain Idols (Gokey anyone)?
    Plus, her BGT audition still gives me the chills.
    As you said, she is nowhere near Bocelli and Groban, not even Potts, how shot to fame under similar circumstances.

  38. Ah well, I bought Michael Buble’s album. I also bought Sting’s Winter album and found it beautiful, along with The Script and Queen’s latest anthology, to add to all the other albums I bought recently.

    I’m planning on buying The FooFighters anthology and Them Crooked Vultures asap.

    Funnily enough, I’m not planning on buying Susan Boyle’s album.

    Must be something wrong with my programming.

    But one thing’s for sure – it’s a good job that there are still some of us out there actually buying music and albums.

  39. Digital downloads are only a small % of CD sales. I’m not surprised she is kicking ass. Good for her.

  40. To clarify: I think it’s really sad that people don’t buy albums anymore. Sad for the music industry and sad for anyone who loves music and loves the fact that there is so much depth and variety within it.

    But then I am an old fart at the ripe old age of 38.

    An old fart who loves a lot of contemporary music, but clearly an old fart nonetheless.

  41. Okay, all the people that were lecturing us Americans last night because of our supposed lack of sophistication by not ‘getting’ Adam’s performance. THIS is what you should be lecturing us about — giving this crazy cat lady and her ‘talent’ and feel good backstory this type of legs. I didn’t mind her being a youtube sensation. I didn’t mind her being a media darling for those few weeks early this year. But her actually outselling legitimate artists with her crap album full of unimaginative covers? That’s just sad, America.

  42. I’m home sick today and watched TV pretty much all day. They are showing Susan Boyle commercials about once an hour, on CBS and ABC. The commercial is kind of heart tugging. I imagine draws in a lot of people. The ultimate underdog.

  43. I bought Adam’s CD and then realized that I was an idiot b/c I was just going to download it, anyway. I have a CD player on my computer, but I just download everything into my iTunes library. I got three extra songs, one (or two?) of which were also on the iTunes deluxe edition (which also has some cool graphics). And I got a little booklet. Yippie. In other words, epic fail on me.

    Anyway…I don’t do CDs anymore, but I know many who do (if, for example, you have a CD player in your car–I don’t have a car anymore). I think GaGa is going to win, but SuBo is coming in second. There is a huge market out there for her.

  44. who buys albums/cds anymore? oh, the kind of ppl who would buy a susan boyle album. see michael buble’s success this year with almost no airplay.

    Speak for youself. I buy albums AND singles, and they ain’t no Michael Buble or SuBo. Albums are getting kind of slammed in this day and age as not being relevant but there are lots of great songs that never see the light as radio singles and the only way you get exposed to them is via the album. I LOVE discovering great album cuts and that is why I am an album buyer. I am generally an alt-rock and HAC listener (local and satellite) and there’s tons of great music out there if people would only listen and not be so lazy as to listen only to Top 40 and then dismiss all current music on the misguided view that Top 40 is the be all and end all of current music.

  45. Anyone who buys this album should have to listen to it everyday for the rest of their lives! :)

  46. I caught her on Today show today-and wow, all three songs were wonderful. I didn’t used to be a fan, and now I am. I used to be an Adam fan, and now I’m not. Go figure.

  47. I cannot say that I am really surprised. The people who would buy Susan Boyle are going to buy CDs. I really only buy CDs for ppl i really like and if there is bonus material. But I think that record companies should really push albums. I mean that’s all I buy witht he occasional single but most of the time, I don’t buy the singles.

    I don’t think Adam will sell as much as they think. Just goes to show you what happens when artists are shoved down our throats.

  48. I caught her on Today show today-and wow, all three songs were wonderful. I didn’t used to be a fan, and now I am. I used to be an Adam fan, and now I’m not. Go figure.

    Heh, you actually made me curious. Handy that there’s a link to the Today show videos right here on the sidebar.

  49. Go Susan! She’s the ultimate Idol. Every Idol is famous because of their back story and journey on a reality show. She’s got a beautiful voice and there are a lot of people who – shock – want to hear a good voice. People loved Clay Aiken because of the combination of back story and vocal talent.

  50. Plus, her BGT audition still gives me the chills.

    hmm.it did less than nothing for me.

    I don’t think Adam will sell as much as they think. Just goes to show you what happens when artists are shoved down our throats.

    I expected him to sell 3.h has already surpassed my expectations:)
    today’s Adam day and no one’s gonna ruin it
    adamdebomb,maybe you should change your name? not trying to be rude.srsly.

  51. The QVC thing was a stroke of genius. I caught part of it a week or so ago and the were basically playing snippets of all the songs and gushing all over it. And lots of call-in testimonials,lol.

  52. LoveDaRocker
    11/23/2009 at 5:58 pm
    LindaT
    I am guessing that maybe it’s mainly due to her back story.

    Duh.
    Don’t mean to be rude, but this is the clear, number one, absolute reason. He rag-to-riches/cat-lady caring for her mother/little village woman story catches like few Idol stories have. And we know how back stories can propel certain Idols (Gokey anyone)?
    Plus, her BGT audition still gives me the chills.
    As you said, she is nowhere near Bocelli and Groban, not even Potts, how shot to fame under similar circumstances.

    LOL! I was trying to be careful how to phrase my post so as not to offend, but I managed to annoy anyway! I agree with your POV.

    Reflections On Life
    11/23/2009 at 5:52 pm
    who buys albums/cds anymore? oh, the kind of ppl who would buy a susan boyle album. see michael buble’s success this year with almost no airplay. plus all the pent-up demand of ppl who haven’t bought music in years.

    Hmm, well the last three CDs I bought were Muse, John Mayer and U2. Wasn’t planning on buying SuBo or Michael Buble. Sorry to disappoint! :)

  53. I went to Walmart today to buy my ADAM cd and they didn’t have it…said it was coming out tomorrow…I told the clerk it should be there today, but it wasn’t…she said a lot of people were asking for it..went to Target and bought it there..I asked if they sold a lot and the clerk said they did…in fact he was putting more out on the shelf…I don’t have an iPod, so I have to buy the cd…listened to it in the car and I think it is really a fantastic album…just love it…hopefully more to come.

    Rabbit Hole is on you tube

  54. edit: don’t makes assumptions about fellow posters

    Life is not as long as you think. Susan seemed to have put her life on hold for others, and now, against all odds, tries to put her life back on track by singing “I Dreamed a Dream” in front of millions. Also, the song itself couldn’t be more perfect for the moment.

  55. Reflections On Life
    11/23/2009 at 5:52 pm
    who buys albums/cds anymore? oh, the kind of ppl who would buy a susan boyle album. see michael buble’s success this year with almost no airplay.

    More than 50% of music sales are still in CD and other hard copy formats. Digital has only taken more than 50% in singles, and then just barely. Regardless, the digital and hard copy sales are added together, so it doesn’t matter where or how you purchase it anymore as long as the retailer reports to Soundscan.

    Buble got no airplay? I’ve heard him in Austin, Houston, and now LA. I only heard Kris once in Houston right before I left. No Adam at all. I guess different places play different music.

  56. I buy CD’s and only CD’s. I do not download music from itunes or anywhere else. Why should I? I don’t own an ipod or some fancy cell phone to download music to. I haven’t even listened to the radio in probably geez at least 5yrs or so. I come from a generation where you bought record albums and cassettes not only for the music on them but for the artwork as well. I remember being a teenager and having record album covers plastered all over my bedroom walls. That’s why I love CD’s…for the complete work of art that it is.

  57. LindaT: Duh.
    Don’t mean to be rude, but this is the clear, number one, absolute reason. He rag-to-riches/cat-lady caring for her mother/little village woman story catches like few Idol stories have. And we know how back stories can propel certain Idols (Gokey anyone)?

    You don’t think that Adam’s backstory, as well as his sexual orientation is a HUGE reason for the media attention that he’s been getting. The fact is that he’s not getting any attention from radio, his single sales have been sub par in comparison to previous idol contestants, and he has yet to show those outside of the idolfandom that he can actually sing, but that hasn’t stood in the way of the media declaring him the next big thing, and that’s all based on one thing, and it’s not his talent.

  58. iFly55
    what does that mean? scorched Earth on Lambert & Rihanna?

    Yeah, what does that mean? I thought it was metaphor based on a war strategy that describes combat where one opponent is willing to destroy the spoils of war to win the battle.

    But based on the reference to the lack of a showdown, it sounds like he just meant to say that Susan Boyle is selling way more CD’s than Rihanna and Adam Lambert I guess?

    He couldn’t have been referencing a future tactic Susan Boyle plans to enact to ensure that she sells way more CD’s than Rihanna and Adam, like by selling her CD’s at severely discounted price, could he? Because she seems to be doing well sales-wise.

  59. From HDD

    DREAM COMES TRUE: Susan Boyle’s Columbia album, I Dreamed a Dream, which hit the streets today, is already selling two to three times the estimated pre-release total for retailers, on top of breaking the all-time pre-order record at Amazon.com. Based on current tallies, the disc will easily top 500k and could go even higher. (11/23p)

  60. OMG, latest info has SuBo at 500K and rising for her first week.

    I guess it is possible to sell alot of albums. Here’s the news from HDD:

    “DREAM COMES TRUE: Susan Boyle’s Columbia album, I Dreamed a Dream, which hit the streets today, is already selling two to three times the estimated pre-release total for retailers, on top of breaking the all-time pre-order record at Amazon.com. Based on current tallies, the disc will easily top 500k and could go even higher. (11/23p)

  61. You mean the Second Coming of Elvis, the Greatest, Most Amazing Performer Evar, *d*m L*mb*rt, can’t outsell some old biddy loser from a tv show in another country?

    Lolz!

    SuBo, you go girl!

  62. Tammy that’s probably a good reason to buy albums. I used to love CDS. It was all I ever wanted for Christmas. I have over 500 in my collection. However, I hate trying to carry 10 cds in my car. I hate how impracticable they are. I like my music condensed. I like being able to make my own playlist. I like having one for the gym, one for the drive to work, I like switching around and having like my own personal radio station of stuff I like to listen to. My 80gig ipod is one of my favorite things in the world. I’d be lost without it. It’s in my car, with me at work, with me everywhere.

    I used to be one that LOVED album covers, in the day before the internet, and now I don’t care so much about it.

    And the last album I bought, I suddenly realized was Kate Miller Heidke when I saw her in concert because I wanted her to autograph it.

    And I do always buy my favorite bands albums because sometimes there are just things I have to have a hard copy of.

  63. DREAM COMES TRUE: Susan Boyle’s Columbia album, I Dreamed a Dream, which hit the streets today, is already selling two to three times the estimated pre-release total for retailers, on top of breaking the all-time pre-order record at Amazon.com. Based on current tallies, the disc will easily top 500k and could go even higher. (

    Wow, this is just insane to me. I admit, I am one of the people who didn’t really believe the hype about her sales. I figured people had seen her sing maybe once or twice, how could that be enough for them to go buy an album of hers, but boy was I wrong. What has been the best first week of the year so far? This has to be pretty high up there.

  64. DREAM COMES TRUE: Susan Boyle’s Columbia album, I Dreamed a Dream, which hit the streets today, is already selling two to three times the estimated pre-release total for retailers, on top of breaking the all-time pre-order record at Amazon.com. Based on current tallies, the disc will easily top 500k and could go even higher. (

    I’m kinda stunned. I dunno, I guess I assumed it wasn’t going to fly as well over here. Guess I was wrong there. Good for Susan though.

  65. That’s awesome for Susan. She’s safe and has quite the backstory. People love her for that. Her album sucks for me though… Daydream Believer.. wild Horses… shudder.

  66. I’m surprised people didn’t think that right away, that she’s be cleaning the floor with the competition. The woman hit across all demographics when she sang. I don’t own a single Josh Groban or Michael Buble type album. I’m more likely to listen to Green Day or Linkin Park than anything. And I bought her album. Talent is talent, and she has the kind of voice that is magical. When a person is like that, you buy the album, and not just the songs. I’m not stunned at all, I assumed she’d clean up. I never thought Adam would go that big, maybe 150k, but who knows now, with his kerfuffle.

  67. Supposedly the album is breaking records in the UK as well. Some poster at Pulse said it sold 400K at one retailer in the UK (which I really can’t believe is true.) Anyone from the UK know the real numbers?

  68. I buy albums AND singles, and they ain’t no Michael Buble or SuBo. Albums are getting kind of slammed in this day and age as not being relevant but there are lots of great songs that never see the light as radio singles and the only way you get exposed to them is via the album. I LOVE discovering great album cuts and that is why I am an album buyer. I am generally an alt-rock and HAC listener (local and satellite) and there’s tons of great music out there if people would only listen and not be so lazy as to listen only to Top 40 and then dismiss all current music on the misguided view that Top 40 is the be all and end all of current music.

    That was beautiful, man. *tear*

  69. What has been the best first week of the year so far? This has to be pretty high up there.

    I’m not sure what has been the highest first week of sales for this year so far. The highest first week of sales for this year, that I have seen prior to the one for Susan’s is Jay Z’s “The Blueprint 3”. I believe that album sold around 476,000 copies the first week it was out this year.

  70. You mean the Second Coming of Elvis, the Greatest, Most Amazing Performer Evar, *d*m L*mb*rt, can’t outsell some old biddy loser from a tv show in another country?

    Lolz!

    SuBo, you go girl!

    Umm, this is the same country that bought 600,000 Clay Aiken albums, so no, it ain’t much of a shock to us Adam fans.

  71. I think it’s fantastic that Susan Boyle is doing so well. She is a very talented lady and deserves all of the good fortune that has come her way.

    With that said, I’m a die-hard Adam Lambert fan and I don’t care if Susan sells more albums than Adam – who cares. I have not yet purchased Susan’s album, but I will. However, I’m not sure I’d go see her live. I’d see Adam live in a heart beat….. he’s a star!

  72. SuBo seems to be setting worldwide records so I don’t think it’s just because Americans are square. She’s even doing great in the UK where all those cool furriners live. ;)

  73. I don’t get Susan Boyle’s appeal. What is it that is so special about this woman? She’s got a pretty but generic voice and she manages to suck the soul and emotion out of the songs she sings.

  74. I LOVE discovering great album cuts and that is why I am an album buyer. I am generally an alt-rock and HAC listener (local and satellite) and there’s tons of great music out there if people would only listen and not be so lazy as to listen only to Top 40 and then dismiss all current music on the misguided view that Top 40 is the be all and end all of current music.

    Preach it, sister! I buy tons of albums, too, mostly as digital downloads. If you’re into indie artists, you can pick up all kinds of great stuff for under $10.

    And while I don’t care for SuBo myself, I was impressed with her “virgin” performance of “I Dreamed A Dream” on BGT, and I totally get why lots of people love her. She has a lovely voice and an endearing backstory. People buy what moves them emotionally; they don’t need to explain themselves. There’s no illegality involved, LOL. Come to think of it: Why do I think she won’t suffer from a lot of illegal downloading?

  75. I realize that there is a market forSuBo’s type of music, but it typically doesn’t generate record levels of sales. Therefore, I’m still wondering why her CD is selling so well, and I am guessing that maybe it’s mainly due to her back story. Because IMO, she has a pleasant voice, but it certainly isn’t outstanding, nor are any of the performances on her album.

    A shocking, amazing *ton* of people I know, ranging in age from 18 on upwards to the sky, and including a couple of professional musicians, have Susan Boyle listed as one of their faves on their Facebook walls. … I keep coming across more and more people who have her listed as a favorite, and I’m betting that a significant proportion of them will buy her album (not sure how many will admit it or will even *listen* to it … but buy it? I’m betting yeah.)

    Personally, I don’t get this at all. But I’m thinking that it absolutely must be because, for whatever reason, they identify with some part of her story, because I know the musical tastes of some of these people — one is an avant garde composer, of all things — and Susan’s is *not* the kind of music that they generally listen to. There’s something about her underdog status that makes them feel good, makes their hearts swell, or at least did when they watched her first video on Youtube, and I’m betting that many of the sales will be kind of nostalgia/comfort purchases intended to sort of give them that swelling, heartwarmed feeling again.

    And, yeah, I’m sure quite a few people will buy it because they like sweet easy-listening music, too. But there’s a group of buyers way beyond that, I think — the emotional feel-good group, and, just among my own acquaintance, I see that that includes teenagers, musicians, at least one cool 20-something fashion model, … etc. …

    It’s quite the phenomenon. But this latter crowd won’t be buying album number two, I expect.

  76. Adamdebomb
    I caught her on Today show today-and wow, all three songs were wonderful. I didn’t used to be a fan, and now I am. I used to be an Adam fan, and now I’m not. Go figure.

    I guess you are changing your moniker to AdamBombed?

    Sorry, couldn’t resist 8)

  77. Yeah, count me in as one of those who did not believe that so many people in this country would buy her cd, I really still don’t get it but good for her.

  78. question, does anyone know if Walmart or Target editions of Adam’s album will have bonus tracks?

  79. I’d much rather listen to an hour of Susan Boyle than 10 minutes of Adam Lambert, and that was BEFORE last night. I really like “easy listening music,” and that’s not Adam because I never know when he’s going to screech! She has a GORGEOUS voice, though she’s definitely not my favorite!

  80. Ha. It doesn’t look like the economy is hurting Susan Boyle’s sales. lol I think the biggest selling album this year so far was Eminem. He sold over 600,000. So she might come in second, which is amazing when you think that she came in 2nd on a reality TV show across the pond.

  81. Upwards of 500K? Wow, SuBo!
    That underdog is now the most definite top dog in the year’s biggest sales week.

    It’s pretty amazing, all things considered.

  82. I’m glad for SuBo. She’s definitely not my cuppa, but that’s okay. It is a nice fairytale come true.

  83. Look I am happy for Susan what I don’t get is from what I am getting from this is Adam and Kris would have done better sales wise to produce Albums of covers. SuBo does not have one original song on her entire album and is being praised for it. So I am confused I recall people flipping out that Kris’s song LLWD was a cover and that Adam is singing songs that are demo’s of Pink, Muse, and Lady Gaga. Actually from the Susan Boyle perspective these were some of the smartest choices they made. Susan Boyle is all back story. Frumpy woman does good. (Agreeable has a pleasant voice) but no originality. Ultimately she will become the biggest selling cover singer in history. All the people she is up against meanwhile are coming out with original music. So who is the real winner. Simon Cowell. That just pisses me off.

  84. question, does anyone know if Walmart or Target editions of Adam’s album will have bonus tracks?

    Walmart’s doesn’t seem to. Don’t know about Target.

  85. It’s amazing what a lot of hype and a good backstory can do. She is the right woman at the right time it seems.
    I listened to some of her tracks and it makes me a little sick that she’s selling that much more than Adam.

    Considering the quality of his album, I hope he has the longer track record despite his mistep at the AMA’s.

  86. Her album is great actually, and a monument to “auto-tuner” as we all know SB’s voice has NEVER sounded THAT good live.

    Nevertheless, she reminds me of Petula Clark. Great album – good for her.

  87. I’m still wondering why her CD is selling so well, and I am guessing that maybe it’s mainly due to her back story.

    It’s the same reason why people flocked to Sarah Palin’s book tour. Soccer mom who ran for the vice-presidency, dumpy spinster becoming the latest pop sensation. You can sell anything if you have nice story to go with it, people are just suckers for rubbish like that. If Susan Boyle can earn a ton of money out of her sappy trash, who cares, at least she isn’t trying to gain control of the nuclear button (now that’s something truly sinister).

  88. I saw her this morning on the Today show, too and was stunned at how drawn in I was. I don’t do Josh Groban (don’t get him at all) or Buble so it’s not the style or songs. She just stood there and sang – in her own little world and it was lovely and touching and I knew I would buy it. My husband came walking through the room during ‘Cry Me a River’ and just stopped till it was over. Can’t explain it but her performance this morning got me. I hope she sells millions and makes millions so she can sing her little heart at home for all the rest of her life.

  89. thanks, Lucy, just making sure I don’t miss any tracks.

    Anyone know how to get the Deluxe edition from AO bonus track that was supposed to be available today?

  90. You mean the Second Coming of Elvis, the Greatest, Most Amazing Performer Evar, *d*m L*mb*rt, can’t outsell some old biddy loser from a tv show in another country?

    No. The Second Coming of Elvis, the Greatest, Most Amazing Performer Ever *is* Susan Boyle. Bow down to your new Overlord. (Fortunately, I have two cats, so I’m in good with the new ruler.)

  91. I really don’t get SuBo either, but I knew she would have a hit album when my office manager, who’s favorite group is Metallica, told me she couldn’t wait to get this record. LOL.

  92. QVC was a complete coup. Who would have guessed? Many years ago, there was some singer whose name escapes me, who only sold records thru tv commercials. If I recall correctly he sold like hotcakes. I wish I could remember his name so I could look him up to see how many he sold. The power of television. I so don’t get the appeal of Subo.

  93. well i was thinking about buying susan’s album just for shits and giggles…but now, because of this article, ill just buy 2 of adams album and give a copy to my dad lol

  94. It was funny .. after Subo performed on the X Factor on Saturday .. Dermot O’Leary (the host) interviewed her and the onlything she kind of burted out was “watch out the public” with a really scary face as if it was some sort of threat .. lol

    One of our local DJ’s today was talking about it and said

    “what does she mean by that and the way she said it .. it’s like she’s planning to go on some kid of serial killing spree” .. lol

  95. Wow. Unless I’m mistaken, wouldn’t a 500K+ debut be the 2nd highest debut among a reality show contestant (with Clay being first at 600K)?

    Had no idea she would debut that high. I never really thought about it but I thought that she’d do 210K at best.

  96. So who is the real winner. Simon Cowell. That just pisses me off.

    Didn’t you know? Simon always wins, lol.

  97. Eh, Billboard Magazine just hates Adam. Where is a hot breaking news from RS or perez about Lambert album topping the charts on iTunes and Amazon. It is time to do so.

  98. Susan Boyle’s appeal is from that original performance and the way she inspired people. It IS about her rags to riches story not her voice.

  99. Eh, Billboard Magazine just hates Adam. Where is a hot breaking news from RS or perez about Lambert album topping the charts on iTunes and Amazon. It is time to do so.

    LOLOLOL

    I just watched her Today show performance, and that made me go back to watch her original BGT audition. Got chills just like I did 7 months ago when it first aired.
    Go SuBo, get that #1. It’s really hard not to root for her, and I’m as cynic as they come.

  100. you’ll find someone who can sing like Subo in most choral societies or amateur dramatics groups but they don’t all have beards, cats, crimpoline dresses and a back story. .. just goes to show what a good sob story can do. .. good luck to her, nice to see someone making a bit of money even if Simon will make far more than her out of it.

    Adam’s album is at #36 on UK iTunes which isn’t too bad considering he’s had no promo here in the media since AI was aired.

  101. It looks like RCA does not care about international sales. Why would they release the record without any promo in UK. If they care, they would release it later with proper lead single and some promo.

  102. Where is a hot breaking news from RS or perez about Lambert album topping the charts on iTunes and Amazon. It is time to do so.

    Unless I can’t read, Adam Lambert hasn’t topped the charts on iTunes. He’s currently sitting at #6 overall and #4 pop. That’s why no one’s announcing it.

  103. Well, 6 is top enough. They announced about Amazon pre-orders faster. Maybe they should go with Finland or Barbados numbers. Those numbers look better.

  104. I CALLED IT I CALLED IT. I totally called from the very beginning that Susan would top the charts, and that she was Adam’s biggest threat for first, and most people told me I was ridiculous! *feels smug* haha…sorry. I really want Adam to do well this week, pretty please with cherries on top, Top 3?

  105. Maybe they should go with Finland or Barbados numbers.

    But no one cares about Finland or Barbados :P It’s the major markets that matter. United States, UK, Japan.

  106. I’d love to hear how Billboard hates Adam, considering the magazine just had Adam and Kris on their cover!

    And it’s important to note that Susan Boyle will be a big item for Xmas gift giving, something kids will buy for their parents. Get ready for it to be the big seller throughout the Christmas season, a la Josh Groban’s “Noel” of a few years ago…

  107. I’d love to hear how Billboard hates Adam, considering the magazine just had Adam and Kris on their cover!

    Ahhh, it’s sarcasm.

    I CALLED IT I CALLED IT. I totally called from the very beginning that Susan would top the charts, and that she was Adam’s biggest threat for first, and most people told me I was ridiculous! *feels smug* haha’ ¦sorry. I really want Adam to do well this week, pretty please with cherries on top, Top 3?

    Hey, I called it too. Even though some questioned how many people would actually buy her. HA! I knew people couldn’t resist their SuBo. And she had GREAT promotion on talk shows, DWTS, XFactor and the QVC thing was genius.

    I am still utterly confounded, but damn if that isn’t the backstory that could.

    And yes, Simon Cowell once again emerges victorious. ugh.

  108. She’s obviously going to get all the headlines next week. and her sales will be strong during the holiday season. I don’t love her but definitely what her appeal.

  109. Hey, I called it too. Even though some questioned how many people would actually buy her. HA!

    I know lol, that’s why I said “most” ppl :P We can be special snowflakes together. And yup, that Simon Cowell is a smart one. I can’t even resent him this time because Susan’s backstory is good enough that I really do want her to do well.

  110. Perhaps Adam should snog (Brit for kiss) or dry hump Subo … then they can share the headines next week.

  111. dv
    11/23/2009 at 7:24 pm

    From HDD

    DREAM COMES TRUE: Susan Boyle’s Columbia album, I Dreamed a Dream, which hit the streets today, is already selling two to three times the estimated pre-release total for retailers, on top of breaking the all-time pre-order record at Amazon.com. Based on current tallies, the disc will easily top 500k and could go even higher. (11/23p)

    In today’s numbers that might as well be N*Sync. Damn girl!

  112. Susan Boyle just came on my local news. They talked about her breaking records and of course her backstory. Ha. I need to get myself a backstory and quick!!

  113. I just don’t get the hype for SueBro.

    Bet she will be a one hit wonder (but I also was so wrong about how many CD’s Taylor Hicks would sell so obviously I know nothing).

    I am in the age group that should LOVE SueBro and I did the very first youtube view, but then I was tired of her.

    But good for her. It would be boring if we all liked the same music.

  114. Susan Boyle just want to appeal to as many people as possible. It brings fantastic results. Others try to appeal only to those that can understand high dark art.

  115. Those projected numbers for Susan Boyle are impressive.

    Actual I think they are sad! She isn’t only stepping on the toes of all the great singers who have gone before her and worked their butts off to make a go in the industry…but she is really giving a finger to every serious music lover.

    This just proves my point that it isn’t about hard work and great talent, its only about the strength of PR and a damn good back story.

  116. Actual I think they are sad! She isn’t only stepping on the toes of all the great singers who have gone before her and worked their butts off to make a go in the industry’ ¦but she is really giving a finger to every serious music lover.

    In all fairness, I believe she is pretty innocent and don’t see her personally giving the finger.

  117. FWIW, I think there also goes the “middle America” buying power. That segment of society that didn’t and doesn’t “get” Adam Lambert. The OTT hype and alienating such a big segment of the buying public did not help Adam. As for SuBo, I think most underestimated the power of the regular buying public who appreciate someone singing their hearts out. She may not be as mad talented as Adam but she sells because she just sings her heart out. No need for OTT visuals or controversy.

    All that being said, I agree that SuBo doesn’t deserve much of this considering that there are artists out there more talented than she is, Adam included. But I can’t help be happy for her nonetheless.

  118. My 26 year old sister who has barely paid attention to Susan Boyle, knows virtually nothing about her backstory and listens to a wide variety of music informed tonight she plans on buying her CD this week after seeing her on the Today Show..simply because she just loved her voice.

  119. Great job subo! I know a lot of people on this site don’t like her but I always thought she was a awesome singer

    k0ka
    11/23/2009 at 10:44 pm
    Susan Boyle just want to appeal to as many people as possible. It brings fantastic results.

    I don’t think she’s trying to apeal to everyone. She hasen’t had a easy life and right now her dreams are coming true and I’m happy for her. I think she’s very talented and deserving.

    Others try to appeal only to those that can understand high dark art.

    Thank god we have gaga :)

  120. Tess
    11/23/2009 at 5:18 pm

    See’ ¦.SuBo is the best argument that sales don’t mean a hill of beans’ ¦.and forget radio play’ ¦..she doesn’t have any music spinning. Su Bo for the win’ ¦.she validates me!

    Actually, I spent a little time doing some number-crunching and I feel pretty darn confident in saying that SuBo is the exception to the rule that radio is still necessary for most artists to sell.

    I matched up the top 50 album sales with (1) the top 1000 radio artists and (2) the top 1000 radio songs in the mediabase database. (What? I was watching TV, so I figured I would multi-task. Also, I like numbers. Sue me.)

    There are three soundtracks (including Hannah Montana, which did have a top radio artist and radio song associated with it, as well as HSM3 and Twilight) and two radio hits compilations in the top 50. That leaves 42 CDs by specific artists.

    Of those 42 CDs, 40 are by artists with radio songs in the top 1000, and most have songs in the upper reaches of the top 1000. The exceptions? Whitney Houston and Il Divo. Of those 42 CDs, 41 are by artists who are in the top 1000 for radio artists, again, typically in the upper reaches of the top 1000. The sole exception? Il Divo.

    So, there you have it: it is the exception for an act to be able to be a top album seller without also having good radio success. I was tempted to label that as the “Il Divo” exception. But if y’all would prefer it, I will label it the “SuBo” exception. I suppose that I could label it the “easy listening of a certain variety, often but not always attached with an attractive backstory and/or tons of TV support” exception, but that’s not nearly as catchy, now is it?

  121. wow. Shes really doing well…I must say I didnt expect those numbers, especially here in the US..I looked at the track list from her album and it didnt look like a strong album to me but I admit she is a great singer and this once again proves you can be successful without having a radio hit…so Im hopeful for Adam at this point.
    I personally dont think she affects Adam in any way because she is a completely different type of singer and probably appeals to a different demographic…Adam’s competition are the other mainstream pop acts…who imho dont hold a candle to Adam;s vocal abilities but hey to each his/her own…
    its interesting what Adam did last night because in his OUT interview he said he didnt want to isolate any fans, which contradicts the direction he took with his performance but w/e…he cant please everyone all the time…I noticed in the post-show with All-Access interview he almost apologized but he stopped himself because he knew he would get criticized by the gay community if he did…fame is really a double-edged sword…and he even asked the girl is she was ok at one point LOL that was pretty funny
    he will overcome this. I am sure of it.
    Personally I think Susan is a great singer and I think she deserves the success she is getting and I mean she was a world-wide phenomenon when she appeared on the X-factor…Adam didnt even win Idol, so Im frankly AMAZED that his album is even charting outside the US at all…
    I think it speaks to his potential and I must reiterate that the album is AMAZING…Im listening to it now..love every single track…Down the Rabbit hole is funky and fun.
    He seems to be doing good on the charts…hopefully his numbers are high.
    Cant wait for his upcoming performances and the tour :)

  122. And it’s important to note that Susan Boyle will be a big item for Xmas gift giving, something kids will buy for their parents. Get ready for it to be the big seller throughout the Christmas season, a la Josh Groban’s ‘Noel’  of a few years ago’ ¦

    I was thinking the same thing just this morning. Susan Boyle’s trump card is the gift sales. I would say easily a third of her sales this week could be gift purchases. Let’s face it, anyone who would be a candidate to receive an Adam CD, will most likely have bought it themselves already.

  123. SuBo is a breath of fresh air. She is the underdog we all root for in the end. I don’t like her very much, but my husband, and 22 year old both said they were going to purchase her cd. for support of someone that could actually sing.

  124. question: wasnt there another bonus track from AO that came with the deluxe version, other than Master Plan?

  125. question: wasnt there another bonus track from AO that came with the deluxe version, other than Master Plan?

    Yes and it was supposed to be made available for download today..but nothing!

    I emailed customer service today to find out why but I have heard nothing back yet?

  126. What has been the best first week of the year so far? This has to be pretty high up there.

    Here are the top debut weeks for 2009 so far:

    1 6/6/2009 RELAPSE EMINEM 606,244
    2 3/21/2009 NO LINE ON THE HORIZON U2 483,925
    3 9/26/2009 THE BLUEPRINT 3 JAY-Z 475,670
    4 6/20/2009 BIG WHISKEY & THE GROOGRUX KING DAVE MATTHEWS BAND 424,089
    5 11/14/2009 MICHAEL JACKSON’S THIS IS IT MICHAEL JACKSON 373,100
    6 4/25/2009 UNSTOPPABLE RASCAL FLATTS 351,025
    7 11/21/2009 PLAY ON CARRIE UNDERWOOD 317,695
    8 7/25/2009 BLACKSUMMER’S NIGHT MAXWELL 316,499

    So if Susan Boyle does 500K+, she’ll slot in at #2.

  127. I just need to chime in and say that I LOVE the fact that she’s killing it in sales, lol.

  128. It looks like RCA does not care about international sales. Why would they release the record without any promo in UK. If they care, they would release it later with proper lead single and some promo.

    I don’t think other countries are so obsessed with first week sale numbers. Mostly they don’t even publish sale numbers.

  129. Thank you Kanadie Bonttell for answering my question…hopefully it will be released soon.

  130. 1 6/6/2009 RELAPSE EMINEM 606,244
    2 3/21/2009 NO LINE ON THE HORIZON U2 483,925
    3 9/26/2009 THE BLUEPRINT 3 JAY-Z 475,670
    4 6/20/2009 BIG WHISKEY & THE GROOGRUX KING DAVE MATTHEWS BAND 424,089
    5 11/14/2009 MICHAEL JACKSON’S THIS IS IT MICHAEL JACKSON 373,100
    6 4/25/2009 UNSTOPPABLE RASCAL FLATTS 351,025
    7 11/21/2009 PLAY ON CARRIE UNDERWOOD 317,695
    8 7/25/2009 BLACKSUMMER’S NIGHT MAXWELL 316,499

    So if Susan Boyle does 500K+, she’ll slot in at #2.

    Ugh, leaving my beloved U2 at #3? Sorry but Eminem and SuBo are not deserving.

  131. rolling stones wrote a review for FYE, 3/5 stars that’s the avarage rating for RS so that’s good IMO. Here’s the link

  132. “A working class UK gal takes “middle America” by storm?”

    “SuBo crushes the competition with the weight of her…erm…talent?”

    “Adam Lambert and his leather-clad crew of toy boys are no match for the uncaged animal magnetism of one Miss Susan Boyle?”

  133. ‘Adam Lambert and his leather-clad crew of toy boys are no match for the uncaged animal magnetism of one Miss Susan Boyle?’ 

    My favorite one. =D Please let this happen.

  134. So in this economy “I Dreamed A Dream” sells well. Not overly surprised. People may be ready to dream their own dream.

  135. I’m happy for Susan Boyle. She will have a little financial security in her old age. Good for her.

  136. I wanna know how Gaga’s sales are projected and where she fits into all of this. I went to the local Best Buy today and The Fame Monster was completely sold out. Gaga is also dominating the Itunes Charts.

    My predictions:

    #1/#2- Susan Boyle/Lady Gaga (it might be close)
    #3/#4- Rihanna/ Adam Lambert (again it might be close)

  137. The worst thing about the whole AMA controversy is that it has totally pushed aside any conversation about Adam’s album. Here Nov. 23, the day FYE dropped, has come and gone, and yet very little attention was paid, here and elsewhere, to the fact that this was the day of that milestone in Adam’s career. The only thread devoted to the album here is one about how SuBo is expected to kick Adam’s arse sales-wise.

    At least on Nov. 17 we had this:

    http://mjsbigblog.com/kris-allen-album-on-itunes-1-on-pop-4-overall.htm

    I listened to For Your Entertainment for the FIRST time today, and I think it’s absolutely phenomenal, one of the best pop albums I’ve ever heard. This should have been a day to celebrate that, but it’s been completely overshadowed. To me, that’s the saddest fallout from last night’s debacle.

  138. I listened to For Your Entertainment for the FIRST time today, and I think it’s absolutely phenomenal, one of the best pop albums I’ve ever heard.

    A-fucking-men. We can just celebrate by ourselves :)

  139. She isn’t only stepping on the toes of all the great singers who have gone before her and worked their butts off to make a go in the industry’ ¦but she is really giving a finger to every serious music lover.

    This just proves my point that it isn’t about hard work and great talent, its only about the strength of PR and a damn good back story.

    The same can be said about American Idol.

  140. I listened to For Your Entertainment for the FIRST time today, and I think it’s absolutely phenomenal, one of the best pop albums I’ve ever heard.

    A-fucking-men. We can just celebrate by ourselves

    Make that a table for three and open a tab. It’s been rough today with all of the bashing, but Adam is doing well on ITUNES. Who knows if he would have done better if the AMA had gone differently, but he’s been inching his way up the ITUNES chart all evening. He has 15 songs in the pop top 200. He’s got both versions of his album in the top 10 (both pop and overall) and four singles in the top 200 overall.

  141. The only thread devoted to the album here is one about how SuBo is expected to kick Adam’s arse sales-wise.

    Wait, I thought mj posted a thread saying “For Your Entertainment” now available everywhere! Wouldn’t this be the thread where the discussion for his album takes place?

  142. I don’t know…after hearing Lady Gaga’s cd, I think if I were an Adam fan I would be worried. I realize why women dominate pop. Her visual performances, and the sound of her music make her fascinating. The guys just don’t translate the same as the women.
    On another note…as an AI fan, I cannot knock the success of someone like SB. I mean this is what these competitions are all about, plucking someone, with talent, from obscurity.

  143. Wait, I thought mj posted a thread saying ‘For Your Entertainment’  now available everywhere! Wouldn’t this be the thread where the discussion for his album takes place?

    OMG you are absolutely right, somehow I missed that. I’m so sorry MJ, my bad.

    Off to go read that thread now. Yay!

  144. I can’t believe I’m on a website defending Susan Boyle, but here goes:

    She isn’t only stepping on the toes of all the great singers who have gone before her and worked their butts off to make a go in the industry’ ¦but she is really giving a finger to every serious music lover.

    This just proves my point that it isn’t about hard work and great talent, its only about the strength of PR and a damn good back story

    From my understanding of Susan Boyle, she has been trying to make it as a singer in the music industry for years and going on BGT was her last ditch attempt and it worked.

    And now huge hype resulting from that has catapulted her into massive sales worldwide.

    Totally ITA with Nocterm Seizure.

    This is AI writ large, especially this year!

  145. I believe the only the Gaga Typhoon can hold a candle against the SuBo Tsunami.

  146. “rolling stones wrote a review for FYE, 3/5 stars that’s the avarage rating for RS so that’s good IMO. Here’s the link”

    Wait, it is a review? One of the shortest one. Kris’s was shorter though because I hadn’t noticed it. Good for him I supposed.

  147. She isn’t only stepping on the toes of all the great singers who have gone before her and worked their butts off to make a go in the industry’ ¦but she is really giving a finger to every serious music lover

    How is she any different than an Idol contestant? She went the tv game show route to fame. Just like Chris Daughtry or Carrie Underwood or . It worked. And now, people are buying her cd. I won’t be one of them but good for her.

  148. Actual I think they are sad! She isn’t only stepping on the toes of all the great singers who have gone before her and worked their butts off to make a go in the industry’ ¦

    Also arguably true of the entire American Idol enterprise. This is why many musicians resent it.

    Millions of Americans think the Idols are the top talent we have because they have no idea how many great musicians are out there slaving in the trenches unable to get a big break and they imagine that the ones that get on television and, often, reel the audience with their looks or charm or back stories whatever are the best that we have. And that understandably pisses off some of those who are slaving for the relatively small amounts of money we’re willing to dole out to actual artists, especially in these days of free downloading.

    Susan Boyle is just that phenomenon taken to its logical extreme. Obviously she’s touching an emotional chord in a bunch of people, though, so I guess there’s probably some value in *that*, too, and you don’t really get that from musicians — it’s more like what you get from having that poster of the kitten clinging to the branch looking terrified and the saying, “Hang in there, baby.” It’s all emotional, not musical. It’s like logs burning in the fireplace next to a warmly lit Christmas tree on a cold winter night or a Thomas Kinkade painting. Seriously, a song of mine just came up on my Ipod and as I listened to it I said to myself, Crap, I sing at least as well as Susan Boyle does — but the point isn’t the singing at all but the pull at the heartstrings, for ineffable reasons. … I think it’s kind of sweet, actually. …

    For that reason, though, I expect she’s basically a one-time emotional purchase and when and if she puts out a second album her sales will drop a lot. I hope that she has a good investment plan for this money, and if she does I’m sure she’ll do well for the rest of her life playing gigs that start out big and get increasingly smaller, as I expect her cd sales to do. She isn’t really competing with anybody in the long run, I don’t think. I don’t believe that most people buying her album would buy anybody else’s music anyway, if they didn’t make the SB purchase. They’re not looking for music. They’re looking for chicken soup for the soul — another franchise that you might argue takes sales away from actual, you know, writers!

  149. I can’t believe I’m on a website defending Susan Boyle, but here goes:

    Well, to defend you’d need to refute what was said, just saying that she tried before to get into the music business doesn’t negate what’s said about her success not being about hard work and talent (going on talent shows or making an amateur CDs or two doesn’t make it hard work).

    Susan simply sings everything like she is doing a tragic love song (like, singing it really slow), whether it is be Daydream Believer or Wild Horses. OK if you like those kind of things I suppose, but terribly tedious to me listening to a few of her songs in a row. There is however always a market for above-average singers like her (also Michael Buble and the likes) who sings inoffensive songs inoffensively, their voice wafting gently in the background and doesn’t engage the brain in anyway. Makes for good presents for the aunties and grannies and she’ll likely go multi-platinum before the Christmas holiday is over (she’ll easily go platinum in the first week of sales in the UK if the report is correct).

  150. There are commercials all day long for Susan Boyle’s album on my TV. Also, going on QVC ensures any product of instant success. Just scoring an opportunity to get on there is like, the biggest marketing coup. I had no doubt she’d have a phenomenal release and it doesn’t bother me at all. People buying music is always a great thing no matter who it is. And Adam CLEARLY has decided to go in his specific direction. Although it would be hysterical to see him on there playing it up to the ladies. Like on the Access interview when he tells her how pretty she is when she’s blushing. That kid has an enormous future in whatever he does as long as his psyche and stamina hold up. GO ADAM.

  151. Idol needs to find their own Susan Boyle for S9. The show needs a female contestand that combines a great back story and singing chops.
    They haven’t had a superstar (in terms of sales) since Daughtry. (It’s too early to say how Adam will do.) SuBo looks on track to have the #1 album of the year (possibly in the world).

    But Simon is still the biggest star from Idol. Worth every $.

  152. Well, 6 is top enough.

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    Wasn’t he supposed to debut at no. 1?

    LOLOLOL

  153. I have been reading a lot of mean drival ,couched in “shock”, that she should not have taken the place of (and I paraphrase) serious singers or musicians.
    It is all the fault of a PR conspiracy led primarily by one of the Simons, who latched on to, or possibly invented a backstory that tugs at any normal
    non agenda’ized human heart and brain. Small minded conversation for sure. Would border on cruel if this was ever read to her.
    Having a better than average voice, the absolute right vehicle (XF),a very
    sad and appealing backstory,never been kissed,looking like a midlleaged
    scruffy puppy,her life mostly church choir and taking care of Mum, to
    finally making a promise to make something of herself………….DESYTINY! Many less cynical people fell in love with this Underpuppy!!! Good for them and good for her……Maybe she just has good Karma?
    I agree that she will probably not be as big in a couple years ,and her star may fade to doing small venues etc. I’m just oping she has good honest
    management, so that her financial boost will keep her in comfort and I
    really hope she gets that sincere kiss one day!! Nice that someone classed her with Michael Buble….I suppose he has also robbed a real hard working
    singer as well??

  154. Idol needs to find their own Susan Boyle for S9. The show needs a female contestand that combines a great back story and singing chops.

    I can’t imagine they’ll do this, though.

    Because wouldn’t she have to be homely for it to work in the Susan Boyle way? I think so, anyway. I think Susan’s plainness worked for her way more than the backstory because the plainness is on display every time you see her — so you’re always reminded that she’s an apparent phenomenon — but at the same time she can’t be accused of having it be her own fault or of milking it, or whatever. It just *is.*

    And in Season Six, they tried having a cast that wasn’t very good looking — and with some of the best, such as Melinda, the plainest …. And they hated that, consider it the worst season ever, had a low-selling tour, etc … So they seem pretty bound and determined not to give ordinary-looking people much of a chance any more. Honestly, in seasons seven and eight, I’m *sure* looks were a huge part of casting. Everybody in those two seasons could pose for photographs; they’re all various versions of gorgeous. And it’s such a marked departure from season six, which way disappointed them, that I can’t imagine the good looks aren’t a very deliberate choice — and since the two looker seasons have done better (in tour revenues, at least; jury’s obviously still out on sales here….), I can’t see them abandoning it.

    I truly think that just a backstory wouldn’t do it (especially for somebody young, like an AI contestant — because there’s still hope for her, whereas with Boyle, you really did get the feeling that this was absolutely the last chance for her, which heightened the emotional pull). I think you need “plain” or “homely,” too. And they really aren’t going to do that — among other reasons, because they hope to sell a *pop* star, which seems to require looks, and not a souvenir emotional comfort-food cd from a heartwarming-loser-turns-winner person …

    After all, look at Elliott. I know that part of the reason that the didn’t want him was what they see as the low sales potential of blue-eyed soul, but nobody will ever convince me that looks didn’t have something to do with it as well. (and Elliott’s actually a nice-looking guy!)

  155. Nice that someone classed her with Michael Buble’ ¦.

    You never thought that I would even consider Michael Buble a great singer, did you? He fits perfectly in the above-average, inoffensive singer category who croons away to those who aren’t demanding in what they listen to, exactly the same type of people who’d like and buy Susan Boyle CD.

  156. Well, I went to the store to purchase Adam’s CD today. They actually had the CD’s behind a counter and the sales clerk had to assist you. I was disappointed to find they were imposing a limit on the number of copies a customer could purchase. I wanted to purchase 4 CD’s to use as stocking stuffers, but they would only sell me 2 CD’s even though they had about 7 copies on the shelf. The guy simply said, “Sorry there’s a limit of 2 per person.” The CD’s were on sale for $6.99 so that was an unexpected surprise. Still annoys me that they limited the number I could purchase. I’ve never had that happen in a retail store. Normally they are happy to get rid of the product.

  157. Well, 6 is top enough.

    LOL taking in to consideration all the hype and promotion he’s been getting peaking at number 6 is a HUGE FAILURE.

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