Nigel Lythgoe on Simon Cowell “He Just Got Too Big For His Boots”

I love Nigel Lythgoe. He’s such a hoot.

US magazine caught up with him at the So You Think You Can Dance auditions in Oakland, CA, where the newly-re-installed Idol producer proceeded to trash Simon Cowell

“We’ve had some incredible country voices — in truth, Simon would have gotten rid of them straight-away because he wasn’t a country fan, ” Lythgoe told Us. “This season we have a 16-year-old kid with an incredible voice and a jazz kid who does this fabulous scat-singing. Again, we wouldn’t have had him on the show because Simon would have said, ‘He’s not an American Idol! Get rid of him!’ … What you are definitely going to get this season is an American voice and American music.”

With Cowell gone, “The energy in the audition rooms is totally different, ” Lythgoe told Us. “You aren’t tired at the end of the day, even though we are seeing twice as many kids as we did in the past. We are enjoying it; we are laughing.”

He said that while the new judges “are being tough” with contestants, Idol hopefuls aren’t being criticized for their appearances, unlike past seasons.

“It’s not about saying, ‘You are carrying too much weight, you don’t look like an American Idol, ‘” Lythgoe told Us. “What I see is warmth and artistic understanding of the person standing in front of them.”

Lythgoe reiterated that Cowell — who quit the show earlier this year to launch a U.S. version of The X-Factor — “is not involved at all” next season. “He’s never been a producer, ” he added. “Simon Fuller created Idol. Simon Cowell has never had a producer credit. He just got too big for his boots.”

Oh. BURN. Nigel throws down the gauntlet! I’m hoping for an all-out media feud.  Ken Warwick was NEVER this much fun.

Of course, Nigel praises his new judges.  On Steven Tyler, he says, “If Steven Tyler doesn’t like the voice, he’ll say, ‘I hear your soul. But it’s not in the voice of American Idol. Thanks so much for coming, ”

On Jennifer Lopez,   “[she] is growing in stature all the time. She’s her own person, and she knows what she wants to say, and she’ll just start saying it: ‘Now what I think is this.’ And it isn’t anything trite … it’s from her heart and she means it.””

On Randy Jackson, “Randy is not the Randy you know. Randy has been in the shadows. He’s not that same person, he’s standing up.””

Never mind that viewers LOVED Simon Cowell, because he was brutally honest, and yes…sometimes nasty.  We’ll see how that “kinder gentler” Idol works out next year.

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53 Comments

  1. LMAO!!!!! Oh lord, these two shows are going to go at it for MONTHS aren’t they? I am already entertained.

    Interesting about the show having a more “American” feel. We’ll see what he considers american soon enough.

    I do like that they might be backing off that weight/appearance stuff.

  2. lol about Nigel saying Simon is too big for his boots. Hold up a mirror much, Nigel?

  3. Gee how could you get more American then last season when everyone played a guitar?

    Nigel needs to keep his mouth shut. I know he is trying to keep AI in the headlines but trashing Simon is not the way to go around it.

  4. It was clear that the producers grew tired of Simon antics and diva persona, however a big part of the success of the show in the beginning was predicated on his demeanor and telling people that they are fat, boring or ugly. In a way that woman on Glee that won the emmy is a lighter version of Simon Cowell.

    Nigel is talking a lot in the media lately to get some hype for the show.

  5. Too bad for Nigel that the Idol boat is tired out. Bringing two has been popstars in won’t help him either.

    I’m American, but I’ve been watching The X-Factor for 5 years now through online streams and I’m never, ever bored with the format because Simon knows how to change it up to make it exciting. It’s not a perfect show, but Simon is not afraid to try to make things interesting. And the concept of the show is a billion times better than Idol’s stale design.

    I’ve been watching Idol from the beginning, but I truly hope it tanks so Americans will flock to X-Factor and make that the must see show of the year. It deserves it. The only thing Idol knows how to churn out these days are white guys with guitars. It was cute a few seasons ago when David Cook won, now it’s just old and bland.

  6. Interesting about the show having a more “American” feel. We’ll see what he considers american soon enough.

    I think they are playing the “american” card because the X factor is a british import with a lot of british judges/presentator throw in.

    It was noticeable during the show they made for the new judges, all had an american flag attached to their names during their video presentation.

    It’s ironic because the producers of the show are still british.

  7. Nigel’s not wrong about Simon and country though. I like the idea of bringing up some country and jazz voices as part of a more diverse group of finalists that isn’t all crowded into 1 or 2 little pop niches. Simon’s actual music knowledge is SO limited and outdated I do think it affected the show.

    I might be reading too much into it but anytime I hear somebody saying that a judge or contestant “growing” or “improving” or something like that it makes me think there’s a problem. Like is JLo struggling to get across what she means in a TV-friendly way?

    The sideshow of the competition between AI and SiCo is funny. Popping my popcorn now!

  8. Never mind that viewers LOVED Simon Cowell, because he was brutally honest, and yes…sometimes nasty. We’ll see how that “kinder gentler” Idol works out next year.

    See, I didn’t love that at all. Being honest with someone about their chances in the industry and totally eviscerating them just for the sake of ratings are two different things. Near the end, Simon’s harshness became gratuitous and was a major turn-off for me.

    I do like that Nigel touched on the country and jazz stuff. That was something that always frustrated me about Simon: he treated singers of those genres as if they weren’t legitimate or to be taken seriously. Those are two uniquely American genres of music, and to deride them shows how Simon is sort of out of touch with the American public and culture.

  9. Well I’m glad he is keeping true to his words about making this season about the contestants. LOL

    Why am I getting visions of pint sized Nigels and Simons in a sandbox right now?

  10. Nigel’s not wrong about Simon and country though. I like the idea of bringing up some country and jazz voices as part of a more diverse group of finalists that isn’t all crowded into 1 or 2 little pop niches. Simon’s actual music knowledge is SO limited and outdated I do think it affected the show.

    I agree. It will be nice to see those people get more recognition.

    I think they are playing the “american” card because the X factor is a british import with a lot of british judges/presentator throw in.

    Yup.

    Being honest with someone about their chances in the industry and totally eviscerating them just for the sake of ratings are two different things.

    I agree, but let’s see what the general American public thinks. I think part of his appeal was that he said all the politically incorrect things a lot of people at home were thinking. And when he took it to far, it worked for the show because it created a villian. Part of the unspoken narrative of the show is watching your favorite win over naysayers/triumph against adversity – Simon played the part of adversity. Will it work if the judges are mean but not too mean? I’m not sure.

  11. Well, at least he’s moved on from dissing the past contestants and/or winners. Instead of best group of contestants EVER it’s now best judges panel EVER. LOLlol. Oh, Nigel.

    Valentin432:
    10/15/2010 at 2:01 pm
    Interesting about the show having a more “American” feel. We’ll see what he considers american soon enough.

    I think they are playing the “american” card because the X factor is a british import with a lot of british judges/presentator throw in.

    I actually think that’s smart. Hey, we’re not perfect, but we’re YOUR show. You don’t want this new British export, do you? Very smart. They should also throw down the we don’t autotune card, what with X Factor’s little controversy.

  12. I see the “New” American Idol tanking. I think the ratings this year will be even worse than last year, and that’s even before X Factor comes along.

    I doubt I’ll be watching.

  13. I agree Simon didn’t know country (although who championed Carrie to the max) and those singers got no respect.

    But nasty Simon kept things real at times and was entertaining (unless it was my fave :lol: )
    One reason last season was so boring- Simon didn’t care enough to even be nasty. He was boring.
    The classic “Yeah, it was pitchy, but it doesn’t matter” to Lee.
    WTH? That is not the Simon we knew ;)

  14. Simon was fun in the beginning, but he got to be boring. And him seeming so over AI towards the end was kind of insulting to the show and to the audience. I’m really pulling for AI to be new and exciting this year.

  15. Kirsten,I’ll bring the drinks.What does everyone want?What fun this season is going to be.

  16. TheGreatXL:
    10/15/2010 at 1:59 pm

    The only thing Idol knows how to churn out these days are white guys with guitars. It was cute a few seasons ago when David Cook won, now it’s just old and bland.

    Yes, and Simon was a major reason why the latest David Cook clone (Lee DeWyze) ended up winning the show. Seriously, did you even watch last season? It was the “great” Simon Cowell who pimped that no-talent hack every single week, even when it was obvious that he couldn’t sing for shit. Get a clue.

  17. Wasn’t it Simon who was really really looking for a blond country singer in the early days? Wasn’t he the champion of Carmen Rasmussen, for example? And the one who repeatedly predicted that Carrie would outsell everybody?

    Maybe I’m hallucinating, but Simon does know where the money is in music and I’d be surprised if he wasn’t actually looking for it in country — or in a certain brand of country artist, at least.

  18. I think part of his appeal was that he said all the politically incorrect things a lot of people at home were thinking. And when he took it to far, it worked for the show because it created a villian.

    Tinawina, it occurs to me – you might be describing the original appeal of Archie Bunker, circa 1971 – but with a British accent. Which also makes sense, since that show was a take on the BBC’s sitcom”Till Death Us Do Part”.

    For the purposes of AI – I believe Simon’s much vaunted “Brutal Honesty” was more about the brutality, and less about the honesty – which was, after all, supposed to be “Just an opinion.”

    Simon told ‘his’ truth – and was just as capable as the other judges of telling ‘selective truth’ – never did I find him all that trustworthy….and it looks like it’s no different on his X-Factor, from what I’ve seen of the machinations.

    But, it will be interesting to see how much of the obvious manipulation remains on Idol in his absence….since Simon worked for the Show – not vice-versa – then TPTB had to approve of his actions. It is interesting to read how Nigel talks in circles –

    So paltry, Nigel acting as if Simon was the uncontrollable Big Bad Wolf who set the tone at auditions, instead of a well paid employee.

    But they all have Zero Credibility, anyway. *snerk*

    IMO. Of Course.

  19. But, it will be interesting to see how much of the obvious manipulation remains on Idol in his absence

    I expect it will be business as usual, the machinations will merely take on a different tone.

  20. I recall Simon suggesting the country genre to one of the female contestants in the last season (or maybe it was 8). I recall Randy and Kara disagreed but I heard what Simon did. He may not like country but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t know if it might be a good fit for someone. He made the same suggestion in season 3 when Amy Adams did “Sin Wagon” to much acclaim.

    Simon’s clearly not bored on X-Factor as he has been on Idol. It’s a fun show with larger production and, frankly, more uncertainty in the performances and results.

    Idol is tired. Guitar strumming is tired. Seacrest is tired. Dawg is tired. The song list is tired. The last person to blame for Idol’s fall is Simon Cowell.

  21. Yes, and Simon was a major reason why the latest David Cook clone (Lee DeWyze) ended up winning the show. Seriously, did you even watch last season? It was the “great” Simon Cowell who pimped that no-talent hack every single week, even when it was obvious that he couldn’t sing for shit. Get a clue.

    As apposed to which contestant that was dripping with charisma, vocal ability and marketability? LOL I honestly think we’d hear the same words if any one of the other 11 finalists won.

  22. Wasn’t it Simon who was really really looking for a blond country singer in the early days? Wasn’t he the champion of Carmen Rasmussen, for example? And the one who repeatedly predicted that Carrie would outsell everybody?

    Maybe I’m hallucinating, but Simon does know where the money is in music and I’d be surprised if he wasn’t actually looking for it in country — or in a certain brand of country artist, at least.

    I recall Simon suggesting the country genre to one of the female contestants in the last season (or maybe it was 8). I recall Randy and Kara disagreed but I heard what Simon did. He may not like country but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t know if it might be a good fit for someone. He made the same suggestion in season 3 when Amy Adams did “Sin Wagon” to much acclaim.

    Those are good points. He always complained on Country night but he did seem to gravitate towards picking out potential pretty pop/country females.

    I expect it will be business as usual, the machinations will merely take on a different tone.

    ITA.

  23. I expect it will be business as usual, the machinations will merely take on a different tone.

    Oh hell yeah, especially because I can’t imagine Randy, new tude and catch phrase free or not, is gonna be any more likely to go off script than he has been in the past.

  24. druzilla: I recall Simon suggesting the country genre to one of the female contestants in the last season (or maybe it was 8). I recall Randy and Kara disagreed but I heard what Simon did. He may not like country but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t know if it might be a good fit for someone.

    He suggested it to Katie Stevens this past season and it made it painfully obvious that Simon has no clue about country music. It was one of the most WTF things he’s ever said – even Carrie commented about it in a radio interview.

    For some reason Simon got worse and worse about country in the last few seasons of AI. Through Season 5 he tolerated it at least. He’s all out of tune with what might work on country today.

    Although…..is he any more in tune with what might work for US pop today?

    lucy: Wasn’t it Simon who was really really looking for a blond country singer in the early days? Wasn’t he the champion of Carmen Rasmussen, for example? And the one who repeatedly predicted that Carrie would outsell everybody?

    This is true but like you’re saying, that just shows he was able to see that there was $$ to be made. I still thought it was clear he didn’t like Carrie’s style of music (his compliments about her countrier performances were usually of the “this will please your fans” variety not the “that was great” variety) and he always criticized Carrie for her old fashionedness. Besides, remember that after she won AI Carrie had to fight to actually do country music. I think that shows Simon and the AI people envisioned her to be a Southern/All American pop star, not an actual country singer.

  25. He suggested it to Katie Stevens this past season and it made it painfully obvious that Simon has no clue about country music. It was one of the most WTF things he’s ever said – even Carrie commented about it in a radio interview.

    Well I give Simon an “A” for effort. ;)

  26. koshka: Well I give Simon an “A” for effort. ;)

    I LOLed hard.

  27. I see the “New” American Idol tanking. I think the ratings this year will be even worse than last year, and that’s even before X Factor comes along.

    Tanking is very relative, it was still the highest rated show in the most important demographic of last year. I think there will still be a lot of interest at the beginning of the show, the auditions attract generally around 30 million people. After that, it will depend on the talent of the contestants and how the judging panel will come accross. Losing Simon is a big blow, but the concept of the show is still very strong.

    I recall Simon suggesting the country genre to one of the female contestants in the last season (or maybe it was 8). I recall Randy and Kara disagreed but I heard what Simon did. He may not like country but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t know if it might be a good fit for someone. He made the same suggestion in season 3 when Amy Adams did “Sin Wagon” to much acclaim.

    THe main critic with Simon is that he doesn’t know country at all not that he doesn’t acknowledge that there is a lot of money to be made in that market.
    I think that Randy was the real “expert” in that panel when it came down to country music, for instance he knew that Bucky had some real potential but Simon never saw that appeal.

  28. He suggested it to Katie Stevens this past season and it made it painfully obvious that Simon has no clue about country music. It was one of the most WTF things he’s ever said – even Carrie commented about it in a radio interview.

    That is so true. Miss blueblood New Englander Katie.. a girl who projected zero warmth and none of the down-to-earth qualities Country seems to require of its stars… she’s supposed to be a country star? There was zero country about Katie. That chick was Disney pop if anything.

    It is hard to say if Simon is in tune with pop radio. Who did he like over the past few years? Adam? He called him a potential international act, and that seems about right. But he also loved Danny Gokey, and there is zero current about Gokey. Who knows what goes on in Simon’s head.

  29. I’ve been watching Idol from the beginning, but I truly hope it tanks so Americans will flock to X-Factor and make that the must see show of the year. It deserves it.

    Aren’t Idol and X-Factor going to be on in completely different seasons?
    I am looking forward to JLo and Steven. I think they’ll be good and if Randy has upped his game, it gets me even more excited about the new season.

  30. Nigel is right. Simon has just reached the point of being exhausting. His insults are all just repeats, his brand of manipulation is so obvious now, and his lack of musical knowledge on a singing show really is pathetic.

    I think that Nigel is right too that Simon got to big for his boots, his ego is now enormous. It’s amazing how much people have bought into it too, the idea that Simon is a great eye for talent. He has said no to many great contestants on idol. His career before being a judge on idol is really not much to speak of. The Spice Girls and Teletubbies does not make for some brilliant musical genius.

    The place where Simon will most be missed is the bad auditions. Nigel should seize this gift from the tv gods and finally cut back on the bad auditions like I have wanted for seasons.

  31. I’ve been watching Idol from the beginning, but I truly hope it tanks so Americans will flock to X-Factor and make that the must see show of the year. It deserves it.

    So the vastly inferior talent of X-Factor doesn’t bother you? Shiny outfits and lasers and even more silly judge fights are enough to make up the difference for you?

  32. I will not miss Simon at all. Good riddance!

    I am very much looking forward to AI this year and I hope it truly succeeds. I love Nigel! Is he show-bizzy and sometimes over the top? Yes! But, I think Nigel has a true passion for what he does and he loves talent of all kinds and respects it!!

    I think Simon only sees $$$$$! I think he has major issues with dark moods,commitment phobia, total rudeness and dashing the dreams of the contestents, when he himself was part of the panel that put these people through! I think Nigel is right, Simon got too big for his boots. He should be more humble after he lost everything and had to move home with Mum at the age of 31!

    If there is a true ratings success out of this, I want it to be AI!! As soon as Simon left, Nigel returned. They didn’t get along and to me Simon was the culprit. Look how he treated Ellen!! He ignored her from day 1 and announced he was leaving on her first day (plus he was late and screwed her schedule up) and from that day forward her “mood” took a toll. She invisioned a much better reception and got ZERO. On the other hand Nigel has always treated Ellen with such respect. I am not saying Ellen was good for the job, she did have trouble with critquing, she was too nice, but she didn’t deserve what she got. I glaze over when I think of Season 9! It was terribly produced!!!

    Now, Nigel, if there is to be no more making fun of people, get rid of the “rotten audtions”, people who come to get their 15 minutes of fame or the people that are mentally challenged and being exploited! :-)

    I would love to see the backstories (if you insist) and the auditions of every person that made it to Hollywood!! Stop pimping certain contestants and PLEASE change your voting system. As long as ATT is your sponser, I guess that won’t happen! (But, the young girls are the rabid voters for the cute guys and it is like grade school). Let the playing field be even by the time the public starts voting. Also, after each performance, the judges should rotate on who goes first…Steven, Jen, Randy…next…..Jen, Randy,Steven…next….Randy,Steven,Jen! This will show the judges true abilities as judges, when they can’t parrot off each other.

    How many of my wishes/suggestions do you think will happen??? HA!

  33. Nigel should seize this gift from the tv gods and finally cut back on the bad auditions like I have wanted for seasons.

    Ain’t gonna happen. Many people watch the show precisely for the bad auditions. If American Idol cut back on those, then watch the ratings really tank. The trick for them is keep showing those things and make them not repetitive, but I’m not really sure how they could that after so many years.

  34. I expect it will be business as usual, the machinations will merely take on a different tone.

    ITA. The producers cast and script the show after all. Simon was just a bit better at thinking on his feet to keep his comments in line with what was going on in the live shows. Looking forward to the cage match in the press as the two shows battle it out though, that could be the best part of the season.

  35. Ain’t gonna happen. Many people watch the show precisely for the bad auditions. It American Idol cut back on those, then watch the ratings really tank.

    I’m not really sure this is true anymore. Except for the first episode of season 9, there was only a difference of 3 million viewers between the best rated audition episode and the Top 10 female and Male semifinals for example. You lose those few million viewers who are only turning in for trainwrecks, but you make the other 23 million people happy. The key to having good, sustained ratings is having viewers pleased with what they watched. Can you imagine the buzz if they shortened auditions and just filled them with the best of the best? It would be a much better product, and most fans would be very pleased after years of awful auditions.

  36. Simon passed on The Spice Girls at Sony.

    You’re right, i’m thinking of Simon Fuller managing them. Even one less achievement for Simon lol!

  37. See, I didn’t love that at all. Being honest with someone about their chances in the industry and totally eviscerating them just for the sake of ratings are two different things. Near the end, Simon’s harshness became gratuitous and was a major turn-off for me.

    That. If this country is to be kinder/gentler/more civil, we need our entertainment to be the same. Mean-ness for its own sake needs to become unfashionable.

  38. . You lose those few million viewers who are only turning in for trainwrecks, but you make the other 23 million people happy.

    The thing is that only few people watch the show just for the singing. It’s the mix of things that keeps people watching – the trainwrecks, the amusing people, the contestants with good backstory (the weepier the better), the potentially great singers. If there were only about the last category (i.e. good singers) in the show, the show wouldn’t have lasted so many years. All those “fluff” are meant to draw you in to the ones who are good, they give a contrast to the good singers. They are a necessity.

  39. He suggested it to Katie Stevens this past season and it made it painfully obvious that Simon has no clue about country music. It was one of the most WTF things he’s ever said – even Carrie commented about it in a radio interview.

    Really, cause I heard what he heard in Katie Stevens. I thought it was one of his more insightful suggestions.

  40. I think the new AI will be interesting and I’m looking forward to it. I guess I’m in the minority here as being one who hated Simon’s nastiness. He was a self-serving bully who had no regard for others.

    On Katie Stevens, I have to relay an anecdote. I was watching that show with my niece who is a singer. She hates the show because of how mean it is, and doesn’t normally watch it.

    When she heard Katie sing, she immediately said she had a great voice for country and that’s the direction she should go.

  41. I haven’t read many of the comments yet, quite frankly I couldn’t get past the notion that Steven Tyler was a pop star.

    For me Simon was part of the charm of the show and the initial draw. His no-bull crap attitude made the sunshine and roses of Paula and the 5 word vocabulary of Randy more bearable and represented what I’m sure the cuthroat side of the business really represents (Of course I have no way of knowing that). And didn’t they put through Haeley Vaughan last season? Maybe they should’ve adopted Simon’s ‘no country voice’ strategy with that one. Yikes. And John Stevens was definitely not the typical Idol voice and didn’t succeed on the show. Maybe Simon was just more in-tune to what the audience wanted than Nigel?

    RE Katie Stevens: I agreed with Simon. When put up against the Demi’s and Christina’s of the pop world she’s ordinary. Lean her more towards country and she might have something.If only she would’ve made it to Shania week and that argument could’ve been settled.

    Also, the argument could be made that this being Simon’s last season and the notion that he got bored could’ve resulted in the talent level being subpar. His more laidback critiques could’ve swayed the opinions of the casual viewer. And I say that as a staunch Lee fan, someone who probably benefitted from Simon the most this season. Just a thought.

  42. This is why Simon annoys me. Dare to critisize him and you get a whole bunch of crap thrown at you. He’s like teflon or something. I think Simon DID get “too big for his boots.” on Idol. He obviously relishes being the absolute ruler of his shows and he wasn’t allowed to get that power on Idol. I think a LOT of his critisisms were colored by the fact that he just didn’t really give a S*** about the show or it’s contestants. IMO his last season was a complete insult to everyone involved.

    Also, what is with the absolute mental block over the fact that Idol and X-factor are NOT directly competing with each other? They are both on Fox and on at different times during the year. How many people are only loyal to ONE reality show? “That’s it! No more singing/competition shows for me until NEXT YEAR!” Come on…let’s get real. People can watch both. And it’s possible(if somewhat unlikely) that they can get almost the same ratings.

    And X-factor “deserves” to beat Idol? How so? What has it proven? Don’t give me the UK version(which is just an overglossed version of Idol IMO), those are entirely different entities. Call me when X-factor U.S. proves something. Then we’ll see who deserves what. And again, considering that neither show is taking ratings from the other, how would one show “deserve” to see the other tank?

    Something tells me DWTS will beat them both.

  43. I”m a ranch girl, born and raised. I’ve been listening to country music for more than 50 years. There is no way Katie Stevens would have made it and Danny Gokey isn’t going to be more than a flash in the pan, either.

    Country music is more than a voice. You’ve got to have some credibility with your audience and a guy from WI and a gal from MA just ain’t going to cut it with the majority of listeners.

    I like modern country, even though a lot of it can easily cross over with pop. But the artists are at least from the south or west. They are not Cape Cod babies, and I don’t mean that in a bad way.

    It’s been said for years that country is a lifestyle, and that is what has given Bucky and Kellie Pickler decent careers – they may not have had the best voices but they were country, even when they were standing in the shower. Simon just never got that.

  44. Let’s not forget how awful all the new TV dramas are doing. I doubt the mid-season replacements will do much better, which will allow “Idol” to crush the competition. I’ve always believed one of “Idol”‘s trump cards is the fact that they only do one edition a year and by the time people are bored with TV after the fall season, here comes the excitement of “Idol.” And they’re sure to get plenty of tune-in for the audition rounds with people wanting to check out the new judges.

    As for Simon and country music, he’s always hated country songs, not just for the music but for the lyrics. Story telling is important in country, but that’s not the type of music that resonated with Simon. Simon was looking for an Idol who stands onstage and sings innocuous love songs, whether they be a cute guy or a beautiful girl. He didn’t find that too often (and sometimes he didn’t realize it when he did, at least until after the stylist got ahold of them), but he would get with the program when he saw which way the wind was blowing…

  45. One thing I never love about Nigel is trashing the competition to get better rating.

    I remember in SYTYCD season 2 or 3 when SYTYCD had it highest rating and at that time even higher than DWTS. He openly trashing DWTS and said that DWTS is a not a really dancing show and SYTYCD is the real deal.

    Now what happen? DWTS is on the top of rating and SYTYCD struggle to draw people to watch.

    Hoping that AI can be better next year and not just better at trashing .

  46. hcpoirot, I totally agree with Nigel on that point – DWTS is not really a dancing show, and SYTYCD really is. The ratings have absolutely no reflection as to which show is truly about dance. Obviously DWTS appeals to more people because it has star power and humiliation and over-the-top hijinks and flash and cheese coming out of the seams. Which is why I can’t stand the show. And I absolutely loooove SYTYCD, because I’m a dance lover.

    I agree with and am encouraged by everything Nigel is saying about the Idol changes as well. But I also have a healthy dose of skepticism since Nigel tends toward way more manipulation that I’m comfortable with. I appreciate his efforts though and I hope that Idol is successful in steering the direction he’s aiming for. I think it will make for a way better show. Who knows, maybe the ratings will go down some regardless of the improvements since there will now be some serious competition for the show. But if the show improves as a result, I think it will be a net win. Maybe they’ll need to live with a slightly smaller audience and a much better show. Maybe we’ll get some really great artists out there as a result. I think its very possible. If X-Factor wants to be the gaudy one, and Idol the real artist one, I’m ok with that.

  47. Simon was fine but I’m looking forward to the new show. AI was getting old, now it might be new again. I’m enjoying Nigel’s “mouthing off” sessions, they’re a kick.

    I’ve never seen X-Factor and have no idea what to expect, but I don’t think it’s in real competition with Idol. Both can sink and/or swim on their own merits, whatever.

  48. No, Simon did not appreciate the talent of the country singer, nor that of the Broadway style singers. He was so bound and determined not to have Clay or Diana win. He also did not appreciate the talent of the Idol who could cover the stage, adding in some dance steps. I did not appreciate the cruelty of Simon’s critiques, especially the last three seasons.

    Now autotune was mentioned, and this might be the time for Nigel to go back to the live singing in Group Performances.

    Yes, the once a year format gives many of us a chance to miss the show in the off-season. It also gives time to promote the tour and get the Idols started on a career.

    BTW, John Stevens is in a respected Jazz band out of Boston (Beantown Swing). He’s doing what he loves.

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