Michael Jackson News Roundup – Two Oldest Kids Not Fathered by Jackson

The big news in the sad, crazy drama that is the death of Michael Jackson is his ex-wife, Debbie Rowe, revealing that Jackson did not father his two eldest children.   Rowe admits she was artificially inseminated with an anonymous donor. Also, she does not want custody of the kids, and does not expect to see them again. “I offered him my womb, ” says Rowe, “It was a gift.”   Just. Wow.

While the second autopsy ordered by the Jackson family is complete, news of Jackson’s poor health is leaking out to the press.   Jackson’s nanny, says she had to pump his stomach many times after he mixed too much medication, and he became outraged when his family tried to intervene.   He was also frequently broke, with the nanny often paying for expenses out of her own pocket.

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Jackson’s close friend, Deepak Chopra says Jackson not only suffered from the skin disorder Vitiligo, but also the auto-immune disease, Lupus.

The lawyer for Dr. Conrad Murray, the doctor who was with Jackson when he died, says the pop star still had a faint pulse when the doctor found him, and that Murray “has never prescribed nor administered Demerol to Michael Jackson…Not ever. Not Oxycontin [either].”

Dr. Murray completed a 3 hour interview with police Saturday night, and provided no “smoking gun.”   His lawyer claims Murray had only been treating Jackson   since last month, and is owed $300, 000 from the concert promoter, AEG.

Kenny Ortega, the director of Jackson’s ‘This Is It!’  shows, is ‘imaging’  a ‘We Are the World’ -style collaboration of artists to pay tribute to Jackson using some of the choreography, costumes and video shot for his upcoming shows.

Father, Joe Jackson was set to appear at tonight’s BET awards, which had been completely overhauled as a tribute to MJ.

Janet Jackson has been named the executor of Jackson’s vastly complicated estate. Jackson is said to have a secret library of 100 recorded songs he made for his children.   Janet Jackson and her brothers have been offered a tribute tour to celebrate the life of their brother.

Jackson may be buried at Neverland, but the neighbors aren’t crazy about the estate being transformed into a Graceland-like tourist attraction.

And if you missed it the first time around, NBC will re-run the 2003   Martin Bashir documentary, Living with Michael Jackson–the program that led to the child molestation charges against Jackson–on Monday. But since we’ll all be watching the Top 13 sing MJ tunes on Fox, you can catch it on MSNBC–the cable channel is rerunning the special 6 times over the next couple of weeks.

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  1. Wow is right. I hope Janet takes the kids. I guess this means that the three kids won’t be split up, so that is good. However, it must be strange for the two oldest if they didn’ t know Micheael wasn’t their natural father.

    Is Janet married? I guess I could google that. I just hope the kids can get into a home with two parents, go to school and start to live a normal life, playing sports, taking dancing lessons, or whatever they might be interested in.

    ETA- I guess she is divorced. Just googled. There is nothing wrong with single parents (I’m one), but it’s easier when there are two parents.

  2. What a circus. Seriously. I have a feeling the drama will continue for a long while.

    I caught Janet’s appearance on the BET awards tonight. Very moving. And Jamie Foxx’s and NeYo’s performance of I’ll Be There was so sad, poignant and painful. Ugh.

    I nearly wretched at every screen shot of Joe Jackson, though. The man famous for beating his sons now showing up for accolades. He can take a leap as far as I’m concerned.

  3. Janet Jackson has been named the executor of Jackson’s vastly complicated estate.

    Oh wow, I have a lot of respect for Janet for accepting such a big headache/responsibility. I hope the kids’ living situation will be settled next.

    And if that secret library of 100 songs is true – that’s genius – and I hope it’s true for the sake of the kids – and for my sake too – coz if ever those are released in any shape of form, I’m buyin’

  4. Janet says she isn’t married but she is in a long term relationship with Jermaine Dupri and some think they are secretly married. She makes more sense than the grandparents or even Rebbie, as they are so much older and might not have the energy to raise three kids. Then again, she’s chosen not to have kids so she might not want to take on such a huge responsibility.

  5. Wow, I suspected they just did a turkey baster type thing for the kids. Kinda shocked he’s not the biological father. Wonder why?

    What a bizarre family. Janet is always secretly married until she divorces. Why?

    I hope that the kids will find a home that loves them and not just after his estate (if there’s anything left)… or the notoriety of having them.

    The British newspaper The Sun reports that Jackson weighed 112 pounds when he died. He was 5 foot 10 inches tall. He was bald. And, had needle marks all over his body.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2505693/The-shock-findings-of-the-Michael-Jackson-autopsy.html

    Sounds like it was a minor miracle he lasted as long as he did.

    No doubt he was thin and had a drug problem. I don’t believe “The Sun” is very reliable, though. I’ll wait until the toxicology report comes in a few weeks.

  6. What a sad situation for the kids. I read somewhere today that Michael had told several people that if anything happened to him he wanted the nanny to raise the children. Apparently she has been with him for nearly 20 years and the children call her mom. Apparently he didn’t put it in writing. I hope she goes with the kids wherever they end up. They need the continuity.

    Hopefully, whovever ends up with them will not squander the ‘gift’ he left them. What a clever idea to leave them 100 new songs as their inheritance. He was very aware of what a huge event his death would be and I am sure he knew that the value of these songs would be hugely increased after he died.

  7. Janet says she isn’t married but she is in a long term relationship with Jermaine Dupri and some think they are secretly married. She makes more sense than the grandparents or even Rebbie, as they are so much older and might not have the energy to raise three kids. Then again, she’s chosen not to have kids so she might not want to take on such a huge responsibility

    I’m glad she is in a stable and happy relationship. Janet is in her early 40s so maybe she will be ready for kids now. I hope so. It would be nice for the kids to be with someone who was close to Michael. As someone else said in a previous thread, Janet doesn’t need the money. I do think she would look after their best interests.

  8. I want the kids to go to Janet Jackson if she’s wiling and if she’s stable enough to finish raising them. She made me cry At the BET Awards tonight.

    OTOH, Joe Jackson was disgraceful “representing” his family on CNN. Just shameless. He said the family was doing “great” and he promoted his company. He said Michael was a “superstar” but didn’t refer to him as a son. It was embarrassing to watch.

    I got the feeling Janet showing up at the awards was a last minute thing so that someone who actually loved Michael could represent him and the family.

  9. ‘I offered him my womb,’  says Rowe, ‘It was a gift.’ 

    She also gave him her eggs, right? I mean, she is the biological mother?

    The British newspaper The Sun reports that Jackson weighed 112 pounds when he died. He was 5 foot 10 inches tall. He was bald. And, had needle marks all over his body.

    Yuck.

    Man–those poor kids. How horrible a life situation. They will be screwed up forever.

    You know, sometime in the 80s, he got so royally mentally messed up.

  10. Sounds like it was a minor miracle he lasted as long as he did.

    I believe that Michael had been very seriously ill for many years. I am going to look for the link I read about Michael passing a recent physical exam. How did he pass the physical exam which AEG required of him before they agreed to back the 50 concerts?

  11. very, very sad … to be honest, all this “dirty laundry” that’s coming out is so unnecessary. why did she have to tell that he wasn’t the biological father? She could of just told the family … but why the world? And what about that family lawyer/spokesperson … again, according to him the family knew; but why did he feel it necessary to tell everybody? Do they all feel better? I know I don’t … sad, sad, sad!

  12. I saw the short interview with Joe too, and I was sickened by it for the exact 2 reasons you stated serenade. I’m surprised by Michael being bald and only weighing 112 pounds. The abuse he took as a child and then the abuse he did to himself is just all very, very sad. I continue to watch all the lastest news as it comes forth on Michael. I’m strangely fixated on it, wish I wasn’t. So much good from his life and so much bad, all at the same time. I’m glad now that he didn’t have to face that concert coming up. Had he failed at it, I think it would have been more than he could have taken. If things turn out to be as early reports suggest, there’s no way he could have made it through a tour of that magnitude. RIP man/child.

    Ms. Rowe is disgusting. DNA would prove or disprove paternaty, but I agree, she should have just kept her mouth shut, very low and ugly of her to annouce something like that at this time. What must those kids think of her and her total lack of concern for them. It’s a shame.

  13. I can’t believe they are re-airing the Martin Bashir documentary (7x no less!). And I still can’t believe Bashir hosted a tribute to Jackson the other night. He threw Jackson under the bus with that documentary. I was living in the UK at the time. Was the uproar over it as big in the States as it was in the UK?

    Also, after seeing pictures of his kids, I’m not remotely surprised that Jackson isn’t the father. I would have been more shocked if he was.

  14. This is so sad. The kids (the older two) do look like Debbie Rowe. How could she have babies and let another man raise them??? As a mother, it boggles the mind. It is completely sick. I thought it was sick at the time and I didn’t know the truth. It was pretty apparent that something was not right, though.

    Money buys off doctors and DYFS apparently…. I’m sure Prince, Paris, and Blanket will write a best-selling tell all. It’s just horrible.

    It’s just really mind-boggling and horrid. These poor kids were pawns in a demented game.

  15. Apparently, nanny’s story is pretty much bogus, at least the stomach pumping part:

  16. Photos indicated that those children were clearly not in any way African American – so to whom does Debbie think it’s a surprise that they are not genetically related to Michael?

  17. I don’t think that the uproar was the same in the States about the Bashir interview. It was all the talk the next day of course, but much more about how weird a life MJ was living, and not about how deceptive Bashir had been.

    I know–the kids are white. What was MJ thinking? I want someone to breed me some white kids?

    Actually, legally, I believe they are his. He was the husband of the mother and his name is on the birth certificate. The paternity is irrelevant . . . except of course to those poor kids who must be so incredibly confused and devastated.

  18. Mothers and fathers typically act a certain way. Who puts weird masks and blankets over their kids faces’? So tragic. I’m actually more angry with Debbie Rowe. I was from the beginning. I just don’t get it. She obviously has serious problems.

  19. Well it’s no surprise that the kids aren’t biologically his, I won’t be surprised if blanket isn’t biologically his either. They look NOTHING like him back when he wasn’t transformed yet, they look 100% caucasian.

    But what matters is if he was a father to them by heart, and I think he was.

  20. Photos indicated that those children were clearly not in any way African American – so to whom does Debbie think it’s a surprise that they are not genetically related to Michael?

    Never saw any photos. They’re never shown except in disguise, no?

    ETA: Perhaps Joe Jackson should be locked away to prevent this madness to happening to the kids.

    I’m actually more angry with Debbie Rowe. I was from the beginning. I just don’t get it. She obviously has serious problems.

    Lots of peeps are hired to have kids for others who can’t for whatever reason. He chose an dumpy blonde with blue eyes and married her. Like anyone believed that. I don’t think she caused his problems. Merely a symptom.

  21. When I saw the recent photos of the older kids I sure thought they did not look half African-American, but more 100% Caucasian. I do hope they can still live together and with the nanny that they are close to. At least they can have one thing constant in their lives through all this mess.

    Since they are not Michael’s biological kids if none of the Jacksons step up for custody would they become wards of the state? I sure hope not, that would be just another whole disaster for them. What a mess. Glad I’m not related to that kooky clan. :wacko_tb:

  22. Who puts weird masks and blankets over their kids faces’?

    Someone trying to hide the heritage of his children.

    Is blanket his biological son?

    His hair is darker, but he really does not look like he is of African American heritage either.

    You know–someone, in a previous thread, said that they wouldn’t be surprised if he was castrated to keep his voice high. I thought it was a disgusting thought, but I have been thinking about it. I mean–that girly speaking voice he had?

    ETA–this is the kids from about one year ago.

    http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05/28/article-1022545-0168CE5500000578-764_468x286.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23488147-details/Now+the+faces+of+Jacko's+children+have+been+revealed,+are+they+really+his/article.do&usg=__h3D9GO4u9JOYjUQwKaZEoAZ9k_c=&h=286&w=468&sz=56&hl=en&start=11&um=1&tbnid=4Ja8zl-iaOJqGM:&tbnh=78&tbnw=128&prev=/images?q=blanket+jackson&hl=en&sa=N&um=1

  23. Ugh… it’s like Michael Jackson “bought” kids. Very creepy. Shivers….

  24. Apparently, nanny’s story is pretty much bogus, at least the stomach pumping part:

    I was going to post that link as well. It’s so sad how her vulnerability was taken advantage of by that reporter.

    Anyway, my heart goes out to the kids…those poor children just lost their father and now they have to deal with all this drama and confusion. It’s heart-breaking.

    Oh, and the difference in Joe Jackson and Janet’s demeanors at the BET awards was staggering. Joe’s self-promotion in that CNN video was sickening, while Janet moved me to tears as she spoke of her older brother.

  25. Of all the pictures and songs that have been shown and played the past few days, the ones I have the hardest time watching and listening to are the ones from when MJ was a kid with the Jackson 5. How did this brilliant kid end up like this? There is something, now, about those early performances that is both perfect and utterly heartbreaking.

  26. if he did have lupus and impetigo, among other health problems, he may not have wanted to potentially pass those genes onto his children.

    the whole situation is so sad. i saw part of the Bashir interview again tonight and MJ’s behavior was so disturbing in the interview but i really still can’t get past my sympathy for his situation. the lethal combination of being abused and then living in the spotlight his whole life was just a recipe for disaster. the part of the interview where he nearly starts crying about the breakdown of the family unit and how children just want to be paid attention to and loved… it was heartbreaking. you could still see in him the child that needed to be paid attention to and loved. i just hope memories of his genius don’t get so overshadowed by the memories of his insanity that we lose sight of what he has contributed.

  27. Joe’s self-promotion in that CNN video was sickening, while Janet moved me to tears as she spoke of her older brother.

    Today I have learned that CNN is the worst news network ever… believe me…

  28. I noticed when Michael was speaking at a podium very recently about his tour that it was the first time I thought he had a rather normal sounding voice. I can’t remember who he was talking to….it was the one where he said he loved them (the fans) at the end of it. He was wearing black. Wish I could recall the event (maybe a press conference of some sort?)

  29. Of all the pictures and songs that have been shown and played the past few days, the ones I have the hardest time watching and listening to are the ones from when MJ was a kid with the Jackson 5. How did this brilliant kid end up like this? There is something, now, about those early performances that is both perfect and utterly heartbreaking.

    You must be a younger fan. This whole this has been unraveling and disturbing for years. Very, very sad.

  30. No one is mentioning that MJ used people just like they used him. Joe is probably to blame for that. From all accounts, MJ had a cruel streak, too. I hope his kids weren’t abused by him, especially if they don’t share his biology.

    I’m just kind of floored by everyone overlooking the dude’s problems and blaming everyone else in his life. Sure, it sucked, but he had a ton of power and money and chose to waste it all.

    Yes, I’m a bitch.

    At this point, I just feel for his kids and hope he’s in a better place.

  31. Ugh’ ¦ it’s like Michael Jackson ‘bought’  kids. Very creepy. Shivers’ ¦.

    Hey, it’s not as bad as Bruno (the movie). He swapped an iPod for his baby:

    “Angelina’s got one, Madonna’s got one, now Bruno’s got one….”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAGpmNb2xfQ

  32. I saw another documentary last night that had an interesting perspective on MJ, not Bashir, but a conversation with one of Michael’s former managers/ confidantes who said the Wacko Jacko stuff, Michael invented on purpose as a way to distance himself or hide the true MJ from the real world and then he thought it hilarious when the press ran with it and made up stuff. that he was always in control and micromanaging all of his PR but at a certain point, Michael changed and started getting sloppy with his public image – when he bought Neverland and he started befriending small boys quite publicly. And they had three people, three journalists not Bashir who investigated that angle of Jackson for several years and basically feel that Jackson got away with what he was accused of because of $$$. I forgotten how eager parents were to send their kids off to be with Jackson and how Jackson’s largesse extended to the whole family if he liked someone and some parents smelled other Hollywood oppportunites for themselves along with their children like that Chandler kid’s old man.

    If Deepak Chopra is correct, it is entirely possible that the vitiligo was a result of the lupus – lupus is serious stuff, manifests itself differently in each person, and skin conditions is one of the manifestations. I tend to believe it is brought on initially by stress, like many autoimmunue disorders and stress is the worst thing for it. That certainly made his medication situation even more complicated and could explain the pain issues some more. Steroid shots are used for flareups in many cases so that could be another explanation of needle marks.

    Stunned about the nanny’s assertion that she had to pump his stomach often, aya carumba.

  33. PJ: I understand what you are saying. I’m not overlooking his problems. They actually freak me out. It’s sad that innocent people were hurt by him. I think this is what drug addiction does to people.

  34. Sure, it sucked, but he had a ton of power and money and chose to waste it all.

    Oh yeah–he was completely ungrounded. But it might not have been the same as if you or I became multimillionaire-superstars and burned thru cash like it was kindling buying life-sized superhero mannequines and other creepy things. He seemed to have a limited ability to understand how finances or even society worked.

    He likened himself to Peter Pan, eh? He hadn’t had his feet on the ground for 30 to 40 years.

  35. I’m not shocked the kids aren’t his. I always kinda knew they weren’t for all the obvious reasons. That whole Debbie Rowe situation just baffles my mind and I can’t comprehend it.

    Joe Jackson is a complete disgrace. It’s pretty obvious he was a pathetic excuse for a man prior to tonight, but I didn’t expect him to plug his record company to a news corporation (and seemed to be smiling throughout the entire awards ceremony) just four days after he lost his son.

    Janet has always been the epitome of grace. God bless the Jackson family.

  36. I caught some of the BET Awards though not all, darn, I missed Janet though – NeYo did a stunning rendition of Lady in My Life.

    Not bad for something arranged so quickly. I also just have to say, you gotta love the BET community. When you watch the Grammies or the other music award shows you don’t see a sight like this – Kanye and Diddy et al really rocking out to other performers including Jamie Foxx in the audience, okay, just saying.

    However the screen on onstage with running ads, WTF?

  37. Never saw any photos. They’re never shown except in disguise, no?

    They’ve been photographed without the masks a couple of times, and those kids are clearly white. Not mixed race at all. So, I never believed for a second that they were bioligically his.

  38. hwc:

    That Bruno clip is really funny! Thank goodness it is just pretend tho. :)

  39. the kids a year ago

    http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05/28/article-1022545-0168CE5500000578-764_468×286.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23488147-details/Now the faces of Jacko’s children have been revealed, are they really his/article.do&usg=__h3D9GO4u9JOYjUQwKaZEoAZ9k_c=&h=286&w=468&sz=56&hl=en&start=11&um=1&tbnid=4Ja8zl-iaOJqGM:&tbnh=78&tbnw=128&prev=/images?q=blanket jackson&hl=en&sa=N&um=1

  40. I think Michael wanted to have white kids. Why else would he not have donated his sperm to the mothers? It’s just so weird. I saw on an interview where Quincy Jones said that MJ has pics of white kids through out his house.

  41. I think Michael wanted to have white kids. Why else would he not have donated his sperm to the mothers?

    Or got a sperm donor with physical characteristics of his family if there were something wrong with his sperm (genetic disorder?).

  42. LOL, I guess I am not up on my MJ kid pics. I don’t see any other celebs putting masks on their children, though. They either pimp them or find other ways to keep them out of the spotlight. I guess now I know why. Sigh.

    And yeah, I guess I can’t see celebrating someone I believe to be a child molester. That’s gotta be one of the worst crimes ever. Yeah, he got off. So did R. Kelly.

    Honestly, I had no idea who R. Kelly was until I did a volunteer gig trying to bridge the digital divide many, many years ago. All these girls wanted to look up was R. Kelly. They were poor, young and eager. Imagine that.

  43. Well not sure how the vitiligo affected his outlook but all his plastic surgery was either trying to look more like his sisters or like a white person or both. There is a very sad phenomenon world wide where people seem to think looking like Western white people is the beauty standard – Asian woman are having their eyes “Westernized” in droves – very sad to me. But are nose jobs any different – you are changing the genetic deck of cards you were born with and certain traits are part of one’s race or ethnicity, because it doesn’t meet some idealized beauty standard. I see this on those plastic surgery shows all the time some parents are upset with the plastic surgery because the child will no longer look like the rest of the family, as if it is a rejection of the family.

  44. My guess is that MJ’s been bald since that Pepsi thing, he burned his scalp badly apparently and I’ll bet that hair was never the same and he may have just shaved it off – he’s clearly been wearing wigs ever since.

    He looks fabulous in those Ebony photos but it is just bizarre – does not look like any 50 year old man I know.

  45. No one is mentioning that MJ used people just like they used him. Joe is probably to blame for that. From all accounts, MJ had a cruel streak, too. I hope his kids weren’t abused by him, especially if they don’t share his biology.

    I’m just kind of floored by everyone overlooking the dude’s problems and blaming everyone else in his life. Sure, it sucked, but he had a ton of power and money and chose to waste it all.

    Yes, I’m a bitch.

    At this point, I just feel for his kids and hope he’s in a better place.

    This.

    I also think Quincy Jones should be getting a lot more credit than he is. Back when MJ was relevant, like before 1985, his career was basically created by QJ.

    I do think his kids could be mixed race. I’ve seen kids with one parent of Celtic decent and one with skin darker than MJ’s originally was who’s kids are about the shade of those kids. You’d be surprised at the variations you can see. One girl I know with a Japanese father couldn’t pass for Asian at all, while another I know – who lives in Japan – had his parents advised to lie about having a Caucasian mother because he could pass. They just switched schools instead.

    As far as Debbie Rowe…surrogate or not, I still find it a little disturbing. Especially since she made that show of caring a few years ago. I support her choice, but it’s a sad one.

  46. If Deepak Chopra is correct, it is entirely possible that the vitiligo was a result of the lupus

    About seven years ago, I was told by a renowned MD who was the closet personal friend that I had that MJ, in fact, suffered from Vitiligo. Her information was directly from a colleague and friend that treated, or had treated him for the disease.

  47. The fact that the kids aren’t MJ’s is no surprise, they all ways looked 100% caucasian to me.

    The Sun newspaper the most despicable rag in the UK, It’s so low I wouldn’t use it as bog roll for fear of catching something. I wouldn’t believe a word that publication printed if it were stenciled in gold.

    The nanny’s story according t Mallika Chopra is full of inaccuracies and the pumping of ht stomach is untrue.

    Joe Jackson’s performance on CNN was deplorable. Janet’s speech at the BET showed real grief and the Ne Yo/Fox performance brought tears to my eyes.

    I wish they would leave the man alone. He is dead, let him rest in peace. I’ve been listening to his albums non stop since Friday, that’s how I choose to remember him.

    RIP MJ.

  48. I hope the children will be ok. I’ve been following this story pretty closely and it sounds like he was a good father to them – biological or not. I won’t assume that he was guilty of being a pedophile when he was found not guilty. I posted my thoughts about the whole pedophile thing in the other MJ thread – no need to repost because most of you will think I’m wrong.

    Anyway, in the words of Randy Jackson… for me for you for me… DAWG… you were the bomb! And I agree. Bye Michael… I’ll keep spinning the tunes.

  49. Lu, I hope he’s innocent of those charges. I don’t thinks so, but my opinion doesn’t matter if there’s a God. Not really my call. I don’t really trust our justice system, though. It’s often wrong, especially when there’s $$$ or a conviction needed to win an election.

  50. undercooked Says:

    June 29th, 2009 at 12:40 am
    Wow is right. I hope Janet takes the kids.

    I don’t know about Janet, undercoooked. She keeps very busy with her own career:

    Janet is ranked by Billboard magazine as one of the top ten best-selling music artists in the history of contemporary music, having sold over 100 million albums worldwide.

  51. I have Lupus and Lord help me if it ever affects me like that. I seriously still can’t believe he’s gone but based on all these reports how was he living?

    RIP Michael

  52. Wow.
    I am one of those people (I believe the majority outside the US) who think Michael was not a child abuser. Of course he was weird in many ways, and the way he acted was difficult to understand or categorize. We’ll never know for sure, of course. The only thing we know for sure is he was never convicted.
    Yet a lot of people (sorry to insist, but mainly in the US) were ready to crucify him, and in a way still are, about that story.
    And that’s one of the main causes behind his death – his money problems, his paranoia, his depression, they were exacerbated by this crazy situation.
    I wish more people had given him the benefit of the doubt, or tried to understand more.
    Anyway, now he’s gone, and I can only hope everything around the kids and his estate gets managed better than while he was alive… but I have little hope, considering what we are seeing now.

  53. I truly believe that for a time MJ was a true musical genius. I do not however understand why fans stuck with him when he really started getting over the top wierd. Sorry, but having kids sleeping in your bed – eek. I’m ok with wierd to a point but he lept over the line a long time ago.

    And don’t get me going on the father …. all kinds of strange there. The CNN report, truly bizarre and I could have sworn that Joe said something about taking the kids?? How many times did Joe tell us that Michael was going to be bigger in death….and truly seemed thrilled about it. Argh.

  54. The nanny’s story according t Mallika Chopra is full of inaccuracies and the pumping of ht stomach is untrue.

    The nanny worked for and lived with Michael for 17 years, she is probably the only person who knows everything about Michael. Even Michael’s mother had to call her to ask where Michael hid his money. Who is Mallika (can she even claim to have any kind of close relationship to know anything?) to say what is true or not true? It is bizarre to take the word of someone who is only marginally associated with Michael to repute the word of someone closely associated with him.

  55. Thea
    Jun 29th, 2009 at 6:35 am

    I am one of those people (I believe the majority outside the US) who think Michael was not a child abuser.

    It’s a generalization ofcourse, but I think it may be closer to the truth than not. I’m an international (belonging my birth and living status to 3 different countries) and I have had that impression as well. Most of those I know outside the US believe him innocent of these particular charges.

    Hazehel, have you read Mallika’s article? She is relating to you what she witnessed and what the nanny has asked her to relate. Both Mallika and the journalist have written pieces claiming on the nanny’s voice with one glaring difference. Mallika, a life long friend of the nanny, and who’s father actually introduced MJ to the nanny, has no vested interest in writing her piece, unlike the columnist of course.

  56. There may be no good actors in this picture at all. Just because Jackson was victimized doesn;t mean he couldn’t turn into a champion victimizer himself — just look at all the people who wound up suing him when they tried to work with him.

    And yes, Quincy Jones really deserves so much more credit for the career take-off of “Off the Wall.” That album sounded so much like Jones’ own smooth-jazz/r&b albums of the Seventies, with extra added disco to make them teenier.

    Jones’ sophisticated musicianship, and standards of arrangement made that album, and a lot of Jackson’s signature tunes were written by people like Rod Temperton, the genius songwriter from Heatwave, who wrote “Rock With You,” “Thriller” and others. Siedah Garrett, the singer on “I Can’t Stop Loving You” and the Dennis Edwards classic “Don’t Look Any Further,” co-wrote “Man in the Mirror” and not with Michael.

  57. I don’t believe Michael was a molester either. I believe he found peace with children and had odd friendships, but I never in no way believed they were sexual. Michael was a man who never grew up, his father was a hard man and he never allowed his children, especially Michael to be children and have a typical childhood

    Michael is hopefully at peace now and the world will miss him forever.

    ETA: I live in the US. Also not to go BorW but the majority of the Black communities across America believed and supported Michael’s innocence.

  58. Hazehel
    Jun 29th, 2009 at 6:43 am
    The nanny’s story according t Mallika Chopra is full of inaccuracies and the pumping of ht stomach is untrue.

    Did you read Mallika’s blog?

    Mallika a life long friend of the nanny whose father, Dupak Chopra, actually introduced the nanny to MJ, wrote her piece based on what she witnessed, and if not at her behest, then certainly with the express permission of the nanny. She relates both what she saw, what she knows and what the nanny asked her to relate. Mallika has no vested interest in writing this piece, she is not getting paid or making a name for herself by writing it, unlike the freelance columnist who wrote the piece in the Times of course.

    At any rate, I have no interest in telling people what to believe or not to believe. It is up to each of us to way the evidence rationally, and make up our own minds accordingly.

  59. What I find truly sad is that everyone is so quickly jumping on the bandwagon to tear apart MJ. Whether any of this stuff is true or not, the body is barely cold. Let them bury him, say goodbye then rip him apart. My God this is horrible.

    As for Debbie Rowe, some people will say most anything if enough $$$$$ are given to them. Why a British tabloid? Because a US one wouldn’t touch this with a ten foot pole. How could she do this to the children? What a mean and vicious thing to do!!!

  60. *****anna in vegas Jun 29th, 2009 at 6:39 am
    So sorry Squirrely. Good luck and God bless.

    Thank you.

  61. Did you read Mallika’s blog?

    No, and nothing you have said indicates that she knows anything but second-hand information. And the question would be why would you believe someone like that rather than someone who lived closely with Michael for 17 years? How could she possibly know that Michael doesn’t have his stomach pumped? What has the Times columnist got anything to do with how reliable the nanny may be, unless you are trying to say that the journalist lied about what the nanny says, or that The Times behaves like the Sun?

  62. I just have to wonder why any of this matters now that he’s no longer here? It’s a sad reflection on society that they have to know every piece of dirt on a celebrity especially after they’re gone and can’t defend themselves. Why isn’t it good enough to just remember the musical legacy he has left and leave it at that? Unreal…..

  63. ****I just have to wonder why any of this matters now that he’s no longer here? It’s a sad reflection on society that they have to know every piece of dirt on a celebrity especially after they’re gone and can’t defend themselves. Why isn’t it good enough to just remember the musical legacy he has left and leave it at that? Unreal’ ¦..

    I agree – let him have the peace in death he didn’t have in life. His contribution to the music world can never be rivaled.

  64. I just have to wonder why any of this matters now that he’s no longer here? It’s a sad reflection on society that they have to know every piece of dirt on a celebrity especially after they’re gone and can’t defend themselves. Why isn’t it good enough to just remember the musical legacy he has left and leave it at that? Unreal’ ¦..

    I agree, thank you for stating it so well, clearone.

    I believe too that his album sales since the announcement reflect that many are choosing to remember and love the music, or at least people may be separating the genius from the rumors and accusations.

    One word about the latter — remember that another ugly characteristic of our society has become how willing people are to blackmail the deep pocket just for some quick cash. Settling the initial allegations for a substantial sum, and letting that info go public, did nothing to keep copycat allegations from flying at him at lightning fast speed from that point forward. Sad, but the state of a litigious society we live in nonetheless.

  65. I often wonder how any of us would turn out were we given more money than God and put upon an altar before we were even adults. Never denied even the most outlandish desire, never contradicted, never reprimanded or exposed to any sort of limits, and never looked at as anything other than deep pockets ripe for the picking. Compound this with a painfully damaged psyche and extensive emotional abuse and it really is no surprise that things went as badly wrong as they did.

    No one is denying that abuse was in turn inflicted upon others as well, not at all.
    But all I think about when I think about Michael Jackson is that his is about one of the saddest stories I have ever heard. I think that despite his irrefutable talent and monstrous success his life was one dominated by pain and hurt and I think that he more than anyone is probably glad it is over.

  66. I doubt the children of MJ will have the slightest chance at “a normal life”, especially as Jackson’s mother wishes to have custody. Sad. I was really hoping that Rowe would take them back, enroll them in a normal school and give them some slight chance to have a normal existence.
    Not only do I think that MJ never molested anyone, I suspect he died a virgin, as he suffered from such extreme mental illness that he never aged past 10 or 11. Regressive Body Dismorphic disorder it is called?
    If I were a judge I would hesitate to allow any member of this horrible, greedy, mentally infirm family to assume custody of any child.

  67. Hazehel
    Jun 29th, 2009 at 7:14 am
    Did you read Mallika’s blog?

    No

    That explains it. Nuf said

  68. Joe Jackson’s performance on CNN was deplorable.

    I totally agree and this is not what I wanted to wake up to this morning, MJ. “Great?” Why didn’t Joe just say something like, “Our family is doing as well as can be expected under these tragic circumstances of the unexpected and untimely loss of my son?” This is unbelievable to me, I am shocked!

  69. I loved Michael Jackson’s music. Michael Jackson, not so much.

    For those who don’t believe Jackson was a child molester because he was found innocent in a court of law; that’s fair. I, however, do believe he was a child “molester”, whether or not penetration ever occurred. Maybe child “abuser” is a better term.

    His upbringing was certainly sad, and maybe he never had a fighting chance, that doesn’t excuse his actions as an adult.

  70. I’m just kind of floored by everyone overlooking the dude’s problems and blaming everyone else in his life.

    It’s early days.

    My impression (and I’m not at all a close follower of Jackson’s career or press) is that, after many years of the public focus being on his problems, people are just really hit by remembering just what an interesting musician he was, and, possibly, feeling some relief or joy or something in the chance to express that without all the caveats. For now.

    I’m sure there will be a lot of deconstruction into just what made this guy who he was, artistically and personally. And I’m hoping the only enduring part is the good. Artistically, that’s a given. Let’s hope that’s true on the personal level, as well (for any of us).

    Back when MJ was relevant, like before 1985

    I personally think relevance can be measured in influence, and if so, it’s extended far past 1985.

  71. No
    That explains it. Nuf said

    Well, if you want to complain about press reporting, then please make the effort to report something accurately, and if you can’t, then give a link. So I had to go and find this link –
    http://www.intent.com/mallikachopra/blog/bloodsuckers-and-world-michael-jackson

    This is not she said as you reported – “The nanny’s story according t Mallika Chopra is full of inaccuracies and the pumping of ht stomach is untrue.” If you can’t see why what you wrote is wrong, then don’t complain about other people’s reporting or if other people misunderstood what you wrote.

    In fact, if you read it carefully, it doesn’t really refute what the journalist said, it actually indicated that the journalist might have audio or video of the nanny saying those things. The world wants to hear what the nanny have to say, if she wants to refute it, she can do it directly, strange that she should do it via a third party, don’t you think?

    I have said it before, the nanny is the only one who knows everything about Michael, and if she decides to spill everything, it is going to be very interesting “if the family doesn’t decide to buy her silence that is” is what I have said before.

  72. I am one of those people (I believe the majority outside the US) who think Michael was not a child abuser. Of course he was weird in many ways, and the way he acted was difficult to understand or categorize. We’ll never know for sure, of course. The only thing we know for sure is he was never convicted. Yet a lot of people (sorry to insist, but mainly in the US) were ready to crucify him, and in a way still are, about that story.

    Well, I live in the U.S., and I always thought he was innocent too. There is no way MJ was a child abuser, but people will believe what they want. The media and tabs loved to just make stuff up about MJ, and they continue to do so.

    MJ to me was the ultimate Benjamin Button. He was born an old man, just a brilliant musical pridology, and he died a child. Thats why he was obsessed with Peter Pan (neverland) because he never had a childhood himself. He lived through children in a way…

    Anyways, like I said before. People are going to believe and say what they want, but no one can take away the influence he had in music, and the racial barriers he broke. He brought the whole together through his music, and that is one reason he is loved so much. That and his humanitarian efforts.

    As far as the children are concerned I’m not even going to comment on that. Its subject to me Debbie Rowe would say that if she doesn’t want them…… That would be her principle argument. I’m cautious of anything I read about MJ because people just love to make up stuff about him. They always have, and it looks like they always will.

    And regarding dad Joe. I can’t believe he actually plugged his recording company last night on CNN. What is wrong with him???? No wonder all of the Jackson kids have issues.

  73. Also, they should re-air Oprah’s interview with Michael. Its much better and allows one to somewhat enter Michael’s psyche. CNN has been much better on the MJ coverage. They give more facts. MSNBC is always trying to slant things in a certain way.

  74. unique28v

    MJ to me was the ultimate Benjamin Button.

    What a great analogy.. Yes I agree totally. Psychologically, he was in essence a 50 year old man who has regressed to a 10 year old child.

  75. wow all the stuff that is coming out – all I can say is the insurers who refused to insure MJ’s tour have got to be greatly relieved right now…….and all the people who were raving about how good Michael was in rehearsals, had to be not quite telling the truth, instructed to lie

    there is an incredible article in the Daily Mail, author said he spent five years hanging out with people in MJ’s camp and even at MJ’s house, he’s seen Michael without his wigs and makeup and costumes – very scary – and he says Michael had a rare lung disease, which would explain why he didn’t father his own children, and that lung disease meant that he could hardly sing let alone dance and for 50 concerts – and I think MJ realized he was not going to be able to do this tour, not at the level he expected of himself and the level his fans would be expecting, apparently 02 Arena in London has the state of art lip synching technology – did Brit Brit perform there yet?

    I would be inclined to believe Michael has this rare lung disease rather than lupus per se, the lung disease is genetic, you are missing a protein that protects your lungs apparently and develops into a emphesema like condition – it would explain the silly masks and the wheel chairs and he got regular shots for this, apparently – if that is true, how sad he got dealt that card on top of his father Joe Jackson, then again Michael might not be the icon he is today without his harddriving overly ambitious old man – Catch 22 but then maybe you don’t miss what you never had…..

  76. ppwars I did not doubt that MJ has vitiligo, MJ admitted it, the assertion by Deepak that MJ had lupus was a new one to me and probably many people, I was just speculating that the lupus might have brought on the vitiligo

  77. I think Debbie Rowe knew she was going to be hounded so why not get out all this stuff she’s kept secret for so long so she can just get on with her life and the press will leave her alone, I think Mr. Jackson and friends kept too many secrets for their own good.

  78. this guy from the Daily Mirror went into his investigation of Michael Jackson assuming he was a pedophile and he concluded that was not the case, he said MJ was gay and had lovers that were of legal age……another well kept secret apparently

  79. I never for once thought any of Michael’s children were his “biological” children and I am perplexed why anyone would have thought so to begin with. Clearly those who thought so know nothing of genetics and dominant genes & traits. Mike was born a cute African-American guy from an African-American mother and father (and siblings) and nothing can prevent genetics doing what it does no matter what you do and when you have a child even if one parent is white, traits come through. Yes, maybe a child will be born light skinned, but there would be some other genetic traits showing through and the odds of having all of his children not having any African American characteristics would defy imagination due to those dominant genes. The first hint we have of him morphing himself was when he had his nose “narrowed” in Thriller at the age of 26. Not only did he “narrow” his nose to look more white, he also changed his eyebrows as a start. Michael did not want his children to have any black characteristics so he would have not “contributed” to having these children.

    Then there was the claim that he suffered from a condition called vitiligo, which is thought to be an autoimmune disorder and often is hereditary. If indeed Michael had patches of skin that loss its pigmentation, if caught early, steroid creams may bring color and pigment back to the area after about 6 months. The fact that one day Michael is black and then suddenly he’s white suggests he underwent a chemical depigmentation and he would have had to keep getting that procedure to remain “white.” His skin wasn’t “pink or beige” it was white like an Albino.

    Micheal had Lupus and that would explain most of his symtoms more than vitiligo.

    Not only did his skin lighten, he became beyond pale. Michael having Lupus would explain skin rashes, bruises, fatique, discoloration either dark, light or red patches fits in more with his condition and in addition to that, Lupus people also suffer from hair loss. Upon looking at the symptons of Lupus, Michael was a classic case so I don’t think he had vitiligo at all to explain his becoming “white.” In addition, African Americans who have Lupus are more prone to cardiovascular issues such as heart attacks, strokes and even heart failure and any doctor would have told him that. Add drugs to that mix & it’s just asking for trouble.

    He continued to undergo plastic surgery to include reshaping his cheeks, his mouth, his nose to the point that his nose looked like it was falling apart. He looked hideous and in some pictures, he reminded me of the character from Batman’s “Joker” red lipstick and all.

    I feel bad for those kids who were brought up in a secluded environment, mostly hidden by veils when they were in public and trapped in the weird world that is Michael Jackson. If his kids turn out to be “normal” that would be a miracle in itself.

    As far as Michael being a “child” molester who knows, but we do know things were not quite “normal” with Michael. Michael being the “greatest” pop star ever, talented, yada, yada, yada does not impress me. Michael was a train wreck in the making and frankly, I think he ruined his life and threw it down the toilet. What a waste. To me, his totally erasing his black heritage is also particularly insulting and egregious. He is no role model and I for one will not put him on a pedestal. May he rest in peace now.

  80. Perez is reporting the interview with Debbie Rowe is a complete fake. She was never even interviewed.

    Also, TMZ is reporting the article about Jackson being bruised, bald and having needle marks is also a fake.

    Wow! This is AWFUL with all these fake reports:
    http://www.perezhilton.com/

    It is a sad day when TMZ and PH are accurate sources of information! I won’t believe anything out of a British tabloid.

    It is absolutely disgusting and pathetic that the public are grasping on to the horrible stories of Michael. There are times when freedom of the press is a good thing, this is NOT one of them. The media are like a bunch of vultures right now stripping what little dignity Michael had left away from him. Let him rest in peace for God’s sake. This is pathetic.

  81. I agree clearone, I thought that Debbie Rowe article sounded off- I cannot imagine a woman saying that about her own kids who just lost their father- especially when she tried to get custody a few years ago. If you read the whole article ( from the Sun, i think) she was comparing herselfeto her horses being artificially inseminated and it just seemed WAY too out there. She sounded heartless.

  82. To me, his totally erasing his black heritage is also particularly insulting and egregious.

    MJ did not erase his black heritage at all. He was a pioneer for us. He was the first black artist on shows such as MTV. He broke down barriers and brought people together with his music, which is why he is beloved all over the world. Its just not that he was a musical genius, but his humanitarian efforts, and the way he helped people is commendable.

    As far as the reports that the stories about Michael have been wrong is not a surprise. I don’t know how anyone could even believe those. The media has been making stuff up on MJ for years, so its not surprising they continue to lie after his death.

    Take everything you read with a grain of salt unless you hear it from an attorney, judge, or coroner.

  83. It is absolutely disgusting and pathetic that the public are grasping on to the horrible stories of Michael.

    I know. Once something is on the internet people pick it up and it all of a sudden becomes “fact”. I don’t get it. I just don’t get it. The rumors are so crazy, I can only believe those who believe them WANT to believe them. It has to be a mental thing. lol

  84. To me, his totally erasing his black heritage is also particularly insulting and egregious. He is no role model and I for one will not put him on a pedestal. May he rest in peace now.

    I don’t think it was his black heritage he was trying to erase. I think he hated the way he looked. He made comments about feeling disgusted by his skin (acne and uneven color) and facial structure (his nose and lips) and the attacks by his father against his appearance when he was going through adolescence just made things worse. And I don’t believe he chose not to have biological children; I believe he was incapable of it. I don’t think his color was an issue. Didn’t he say in Black and White: “I’m not going to spend my life being a color”? Well, actually, it’s the rap with the song, but still.

  85. Joe Jackson at this point probably believes he is in a position now to regain control over Michael’s legacy. Something which Michael never allowed him to do while he was alive. I’m not even sure Michael was on speaking terms with his dad. But, who knows one way or the other. At any rate, Joe might be in mourning, but he’s also probably satisfied to be back in control. That man is evil.

  86. Joe Jackson has spent most of his 80 plus years trying to remain the “center of attention” as he has promoted his children ruthlessly. The man seems to be pretty damn delusional, always saying that, even though his children have confirmed physical and mental abuse, he was the “perfect” father and the well loved patriarch of the family.

    Of course he is “passing” out information to the press that he is still “in charge” and that he is entitled to everything “Michael” since he created him both physically and musically. I think, we as hopefully intelligent viewers, are smart enough to realize that pretty much everything he is saying are the rantings of a bitter and obviously imbalanced old man.

    It will take some time to “sort” out Michael’s estate…but considering their are 3 children, 9 siblings, and a mother that have some say in what is going on I don’t think that in the long run “dear papa Joseph” will have much leverage.

  87. Michael Jackson during the Off the Wall period was a good looking, sexy black man to me. Perhaps he’d already had some initial surgery done. If he had left it there, he’d have been fine IMO.

    The structure of one’s nose and lips is part of your ethnicity or race. You can choose to alter your appearance in a myriad of ways. If he had vitiligo or lupus that affected his skin colour there are different ways to deal with that loss of pigment. Of course whenever you are the cute child star and you go through the awkwardness of adolescence in the public eye, that is always very difficult even if you don’t have a brutal father. Was MJ trying to look like a white man, Dianna Ross, Liza Minelli, Elizabeth Taylor, a combination of the three, one of his sisters or a white woman? I am confusing myself now.

  88. At least Debbie Rowe knows she wouldn’t be a good parent. Her apparent refusal to go for custody ($$$) makes her one of the good guys in this whole sordid drama. Some people just don’t have much maternal instinct. It is also possible she does have maternal feelings and knows seeing the kids would tempt her to make a decision she knows she shouldn’t make. Either way, she clearly doesn’t want to insert herself into their lives this late in the game.

    Eta: I take that back if indeed the story is fake. I do hope that she doesn’t intend to go for custody regardless. The kids are 12 and 11 years old, it’s kinda late to play mommy.

  89. I don’t doubt that he had a number of needle marks because the treatment for either this alleged rare lung disease or lupus involved medicine delivered by injection and even Deepak knew MJ was getting Demerol injections. It was pretty obvious he has been wearing wigs for decades. Perhaps even in fake reports there is truth or the reported fakeness is not correct or yes take it all in with a grain of salt. Heads are spinning. Is American Idol Season Nine here yet?

    Too bad MJ never had a chance to do his memoirs or maybe he did?

  90. My reaction to all this has been rather complex – if not outright schizophrenic. There’s the music (brilliant), the man (nuttier than a fruitcake), and the media response to his death (bullshit all ’round). All have hit me quite differently. I hardly even know where to begin….. I applaud Michael’s genius, repudiate his behaviors and absolutely abhor where the media seems to be taking this. Shades of Anna Nichole, I’m afraid ‘“ with a touch of Elvis and Howard Hughes thrown in for good measure. I’m sad, I’m angry and I’m frustrated. What’s really ‘real’ and what’s contrived? ‘Real’ in point of fact hardly seems to exist any more. Truth (such as it is) has become what the media defines it to be (and that changes from network to network and day to day). Most of the ‘he’s weird’ hype came from Jackson himself, it seems. He’d make up his own reality, sell it to the tabloids – then decry it loudly to anyone who had ears to listen. Now all that belief/disbelief is gonna focus on his kids. Think of it. What a hard row they’re have to hoe these next few years. Everyone’s gonna treat them like gold filled pià ±atas. And now it seems Michael’s parents are asking for custody – the very same parents who kindly helped him down the yellow brick road to insanity. God but I feel sorry for them! Maybe in twenty years we’ll all be reading about the insane exploits of Prince Michael or Paris.

  91. My thoughts… It seemed to me that Michael was constantly trying to run from himself.. thinking that if he totally changed himself he could just be someone else… I dont know. The whole thing is sad.

    I will always love MJ’s music and be awed by his talent. I just wish he could’ve gone out on a high note – even if it was just one successful show on his new tour.

  92. Michael Jackson during the Off the Wall period was a good looking, sexy black man to me. Perhaps he’d already had some initial surgery done. If he had left it there, he’d have been fine IMO.

    I completely agree.

  93. He threw Jackson under the bus with that documentary. I was living in the UK at the time.

    I am sorry, but Michael was not forced to make those outrageous comments.

    It would be ideal if Janet raised the children with the Nanny’s help AND visitation rights would be given to Debbie. That would require a lot of love and cooperation from all involved!

  94. I also watched, ‘Living With Michael Jackson’  and would like to know if any doctor or nurse would allow anyone to take a newly born baby home? Michael claimed that when his daughter, Paris was born he immediately took her home still covered with the placenta. He stated to Bashir that he cleaned the baby himself.

    How could this possibly happen? Paris had to be weighed and her APGAR score recorded. This is the physical examination of a newborn in the delivery room. A follow-up exam and score is done a short while later. It is my belief that Michael lied (or believed in his mind this happened). He was questioned twice about this because the baby cannot go home with placenta on her body.

    If he lied about something so important as this, what else did he lie about?

    (MJ, I posted this on the wrong thread. I then tried to delete it but that didn’t work.)

  95. Agreed with Grammie Kari. Also, when you cut the umbilical cord, you’re CUTTING THE BABY AWAY FROM THE PLACENTA, which had been the baby’s major source of nourishment in the uterus.

    That would mean that MJ would have had to also had remembered to grab the placenta along with Paris, which would’ve been pretty stupid if he were in a rush. In addition, the placenta is often delivered 30 MINUTES TO TWO HOURS AFTER the baby is born (that’s why it’s also known as the “afterbirth”) and the cord is cut. Either the mom pushes it out or, in the case of a Cesarean, the surgeon(s) take it out (curretage). The doctors then must check it to make sure it is intact to prevent infecting the mom–placental infections can sometimes cause massive bleeding and even death.

    I don’t understand why Martin Bashir, himself a father of three, didn’t call MJ on this gross fabrication–if even for the simple fact that, minus all of the biological detail I’ve provided above (sorry, I have a friend who’s a Bradley childbirth instructor LOL), MJ would’ve had to wait for Debbie to deliver the placenta or the doctors to remove it before “rushing out” so expeditiously with Paris. It would’ve been near impossible for him to be washing placenta from his daughter’s body at home if he were in such a rush; the placenta would most likely still be at the hospital.

    Most likely is that MJ mistakened the vernix that usually covers a baby right after his/her birth for the placenta. Vernix is pretty nasty stuff, and if the delivery was a C-section, the baby probably had more of it on her (C-sections prevent the vernix from being “swabbed off” when the baby’s pushed through the birth canal in a vaginal delivery). It didn’t seem like MJ really had an indepth knowledge of childbirth when he was talking with Martin Bashir IMO, but that could just be a “guy thing.” I mean, ewww. Lions and tigers and vagina-side seating, oh my! :-p

    Anyway, that’s your childbirth lesson 101. G’night, folks!

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