Listen to a Stream of “Hold On”, “Farmer’s Daughter” and “Lonely Won’t Come Around” by Crystal Bowersox

UPDATE!!! NEW SONG! “Lonely Won’t Come Around” co-written with David Ryan Harris.  Listen below!

Producer David Bendeth just tweeted, “I mixed Farmer”s daughter tonight. Thanks to all for enduring the rough mix, You really thought I would put all that shit in there? cmon…Have some faith people please. We are dedicated, passionate, and committed to excellence always…I mean the mix on the web is unfinished. Always was until today. It was rushed out there. Don’t shoot the messenger. Now it’s great.”

Do you think maybe some of the fans are unhappy? Heh. You’ll noticed that I haven’t reviewed the songs yet. I’ll wait until I can hear full, finished streams.

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Listen to lengthy snips of Crystal Bowersox’s new single “Hold On” and “Farmer’s Daughter”. Crystal tweeted the HitPredictor.com link to fans, where the songs are currently being tested.

So, what do you think of Crystal’s new songs?

Hold On

Hold On

Farmers Daughter

Farmers Daughter

Lonely Won’t Come Around

Lonely

via Mamasoxvillageidiots.com

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238 Comments

  1. I listened to Hold On and Farmer’s Daughter at Hit Predictor, and Hold On didn’t do it for me. Farmer’s Daughter sounds like a much better and more interesting track.

  2. I listened to them both. Of the two, I like HO. But I find them both shouty when the notes go higher. She did this on AI, but that could have been fixed in the studio.

    Anyway, I love Kelly’s Breakaway. That was a long time ago in radio land, so that’s either good or bad that it reminds people of that song. Maybe people that bought it will buy HO. I don’t know that is current today though. But it was and still is a great song to me. I think HAC would play it no problem.

    FD might be able to get HAC and Country play? I don’t like the background vocals at all, makes it seem cheesy.

    As for Hit Predictor, both Adam and Kris had quite a few songs on it, I don’t know what it means. mj or Kirsten probably know more. Crystal’s songs both came up #1 and #2 for me, so I didn’t have to listen to many :)

    ETA: FD will only get country play first.

  3. Her sound pretty much leans toward country music,, which is where I thought it would be after watching her on Idol. She has potential for success in that particular genre, more of a chance than pop music.

  4. I like the songs better on a second listen. I still think HO would make a better single. I did comment on earlier threads that FD sounds country to me, even HO does too, to a lesser extent. But I have to agree that HO sounds more like a Kelly Clarkson song.

  5. Removed. Will reserve judgement after hearing final clips.

  6. HO is more pop, FD more country and also think that she would do better promoted as a country artist.

  7. Agree with koshka, it sounds like Breakaway lite. Or, at least a song Kelly may have passed on at one time. Its a good AC song, nothing more. Crystal’s vocals are fine, but nothing spectacular. She may get airplay as there isn’t much in the way of female vocalists, besides Top 40 crossovers, getting airplay on HAC right now. Unlike Lee who has to fight the glut of male voices for airplay.

  8. If you prefer FD as the single be sure to visit hitpredictor and review the songs. I made it clear that while I like both, FD is the one I prefer. If Jive is doing this to get feedback, then let’s take advantage of the opportunity to speak our minds and tell them what we think. Even if this all has no bearing on the single release, maybe it will drum up a little bit of buzz for Crystal outside of the Idol world.

  9. Why didn’t they sign her to one of Sony Nashville labels? She is more country than Taylor Swift!

  10. springboard:
    11/08/2010 at 8:41 am
    HO is more pop, FD more country and also think that she would do better promoted as a country artist.

    I get a feeling that Crystal is going to be marketed wrong by Jive. The difference between the two songs is a little jarring. I tend to like eclectic albums, but if the rest of the album is more like FD and there is this sound alike Kelly song released then I suspect they are hoping to sell a single or two and not really worry about album sales.. strategy similar to Kris. All of which wouldn’t be a big deal if HO was similar to FD.

  11. Having said that I still think Farmer’s Daughter should be the first single not Hold On. The reasons being the song has a dear meaning to her, it showcases IMO Crystal’s best attribute- her lyrical brilliance, her honest and flawless vocal delivery but most important of all (and this will be beneficial to the label as well) a clear distinction from the rest aka its not a Kelly Clarkson tune.

    Only one problem with all of this. As I have come to understand it (not that I like it!) is that the entire point of first singles is *not* to differentiate you or showcase your specific original talents but, on the contrary, to Show That You’re Just Like Some Other People That Radio Already Feels Comfortable Playing So They Should Play You, Too.

    That said, I can see why they’re likely to choose the undistinguished but quite okay Hold On for the first single.

    I think she ought to go country. Another good thing about that would be that the country world is still full of people who are still interested in songwriting, including lyrics, so she might find both a singing and a writing niche there most easily and be fostered more in those things.

  12. Having said that I still think Farmer’s Daughter should be the first single not Hold On.

    If they were releasing a single to Country, “Farmer’s Daughter” would be it. It doesn’t stand a chance on HAC/POP until it’s been a hit on Country.

    “Hold On” is the better chance at straight out of the box hit on HAC. It’s a pretty generic song, but I’m pretty sure that Jive is counting on its pedigree (Chad/Kara) to get it some initial listens.

    If “Farmer’s Daughter” is the direction that Crystal wants to take, I only wonder at what idiot at Sony put her on the Jive label. They should have placed her on one of their Country labels. I seriously doubt that Jive has many connections amongst the Country radio PDs.

    And I’m not saying this is anyway to dis Crystal. I think Country is a great format with lots of loyal fans. It’s just that the sound of that song plus the lyrics are currently more suited to that format. Even the title seems to indicate that. Right now, the top of Pop is all about clubbing and HAC is all about love (mostly messed up love). A struggling life is the topic of Country.

  13. To me it sounds like Nickelback lite and Crystal’s voice was modified a lot to suit radio. That said if the majority thinks it sounds anything like Breakaway than it’s a good sign for her success on radio, that song lasted a bunch of time at the top of the AC charts and still gets airplay today.

  14. i love them both :) i love crystals voice whatever she is singing

    she resonates with my soul~~ ooh i sound like revRun lol

  15. My opinion on the snippets (which is worth exactly 2 cents)

    Hold On: It’s okay. By overpowering the chorus with instrumentation and not focusing on Crystal’s vocals, the song itself becomes a little generic . For me (for you) Crystal’s sweet spot is acoustic, where she can just emote through her vocals. Of course, it’s always hard to judge based on 30 seconds, but I don’t feel any punch that would send it skyrocketing up any chart.

    Farmer’s Daughter: I had heard a lot of kudos for this song pre-CD and was expecting something very different. It sounds a bit country to me, which is fine, but just unexpected. And the melody seems a little more upbeat than it should based on the lyrics. In general, the song as a whole is a little confusing to me but I think that is because I’m not a connoisseur of country music and this sounds like country music to me. But could it be a country hit? I”m guessing yes.

    Looking forward to hearing what else is on the CD. Not sure I would buy it based on those two songs. They sound okay, but not what I usually listen to.

  16. The sound quality is BAD on these clips. Hopefully the main reason the busy parts sound smeared and compressed.

    My guess, is, FD would be less over produced if it wouldn´t be considered as a single. So my preference would be to release HO as the single and pull back on the production of FD. If not, hopefully this version of FD is some radio edition and the LP version will be “less is more” and not unnecessarily cluttered

  17. If you prefer FD as the single be sure to visit hitpredictor and review the songs. I made it clear that while I like both, FD is the one I prefer. If Jive is doing this to get feedback, then let’s take advantage of the opportunity to speak our minds and tell them what we think.

    Personally, I don’t think people should do this.

    The purpose of surveys like HitPredictor is for the record labels to find out what the general public thinks of a song. It’s not a tool for angry fans to vent their spleens. When Jive wants to find out what fans think, they’ll put something on her official fan site. When the want to market her to the general public, they ask the general public.

    Ah, but the fans will rebut that they too are members of the general public. Of course they are, but Jive doesn’t want them to spam a poll. They don’t want them to sign up in droves to Hit Predictor just so they can try to force Jive into doing what Crystal wants.

    Jive is looking to expand her market. To find out if there is interest in the general public in her songs. It may be that the general public likes Farmers Daughter all on its own, but if Jive gets wind of an attempt to spam the poll, they are definitely going to ignore the results. Why not let them do their poll of the general public who currently have no axe to grind? Let them poll the people who listen to radio because they enjoy it. Jive already knows what Crystal’s fans want. Let them hear from others as well.

  18. Crystal does sould alot like Kelly on HO. I just can’t see FD getting much play on radio right now including country. I never heard FD before and to my ears it’s not a great song. At least that’s my opinion from this clip.

    Crystal is kind of a unique artist for Idol. It’ll be interesting to see what they do with her.

  19. Crystal needs to sing angry, gritty songs.The first one is way too coronation single sounding. The second one fits that but the subject matter is probably only good for country radio. If she wants to be an HAC ( or even less likely, pop) singer she is gonna have to get all Alanis-y.

    Her voice sounds kind of like is a cross between Kelly and Faith Hill.

  20. FD should definitely be released to country. It’s the FU version of Kellie Pickler’s I Wonder. Country loves story songs and the lyrics of most country songs are actually good and mean something. And as someone said above, Nashville still has “real” songwriters who write from life experiences. Can we switch her to a country label please. I’d hate to see another screw up by her “crack marketing team” ala Taylor Hicks.

  21. Crystal’s got the hippie vibe going and she doesn’t mention God. I don’t know enough about country to know if that will work for her.

  22. I could definitely hear “Hold On” on the radio now. “Farmers Daughter” notsomuch. And it is all about radio play at this point. I haven’t listened to anything Crystal has done since she left my tv, so this is all new to me. What I like most about both songs though is that I can actually HEAR Crystal’s voice. Lee’s single doesn’t even sound like Lee in 95% of that song.

  23. Crystal tweeted about hitpredictor, sounds like she wants fans to express themselves :)

    crystalbowersox @Mamasoxcd1214VI dont search for it. just participate and listen to stuff. you’re helping tons of artists. go to “do stuff” and rate music.
    about 9 hours ago in reply to Mamasoxcd1214VI

    crystalbowersox http://www.hitpredictor.com go sign up and you pic the hits!
    about 9 hours ago

    crystalbowersox @resolutionradio well i signed up. i never heard of it before and it’s awesome.
    about 9 hours ago in reply to resolutionradio

  24. I think I need to get my hearing checked…reminder to self…’cause I thought Crystal’s voice wasn’t really crystal clear on a lot of the lyrics. I had to concentrate way to hard to understand the lyrics and some words were pretty mumbled, to me.

  25. I think I need to get my hearing checked…

    Maybe :) But your hearing can´t compensate for the terrible sound quality of these clips. So, wait for a better copy of the songs before running to the doctor

  26. If you prefer FD as the single be sure to visit hitpredictor and review the songs. I made it clear that while I like both, FD is the one I prefer. If Jive is doing this to get feedback, then let’s take advantage of the opportunity to speak our minds and tell them what we think.

    Kirsten:
    11/08/2010 at 9:15 am
    Personally, I don’t think people should do this.

    The purpose of surveys like HitPredictor is for the record labels to find out what the general public thinks of a song. It’s not a tool for angry fans to vent their spleens…..

    I dont see anything angry or manipulative with whodis30’s post up there. It says if you prefer FD then go and vote for FD. And if you like HO then by all means go and vote for that. Nobody is manipulating anything even Crystal herself had asked her fans to be honest quite a number of times, and a number of her fans are following the same:

    @Crystalbowersox: … dont search for it. just participate and listen to stuff. you’re helping tons of artists. go to “do stuff” and rate music.

    @Crystalbowersox: … not the case. we want honest opinions. I’m proud of all of my work.

  27. Eriko:
    Maybe But you hearing can´t compensate for the terrible sound quality of these clips. So, wait for a better copy of the songs before running to the doctor

    Why m I not surprised by this comment :p. Agree, sound quality is bad in these clip, but Mamasox voice stands out, which is least of worries right now really.

  28. I dont see anything angry or manipulative with whodis30’s post up there. It says if you prefer FD then go and vote for FD. And if you like HO then by all means go and vote for that. Nobody is manipulating anything even Crystal herself had asked her fans to be honest quite a number of times, and a number of her fans are following the same:

    In my opinion, signing up for Hit Predictor to send a label a message is manipulative. The purpose of Hit Predictor is to gauge how the general public feels about songs. It’s not a web-poll on whether her fans like “Hold On” or “Farmer’s Daughter” better.

    @Crystalbowersox: … dont search for it. just participate and listen to stuff. you’re helping tons of artists. go to “do stuff” and rate music.

    See. Crystal has the right idea. If you want to participate in Hit Predictor, listen and rate lots of songs. Become a long-term ranker. Let them build a profile of the songs that you like/dislike and what ends up happening to those actual songs. Spamming the poll for one artist as part of a bun fight not only abuses the system, it also prevents that one artist from getting a true measure of the general public’s opinions on songs. One can always ignore the opinion, but it’s sometimes nice to have. She and Jive already know what the hardcore fans want.

  29. Only one problem with all of this. As I have come to understand it (not that I like it!) is that the entire point of first singles is *not* to differentiate you or showcase your specific original talents but, on the contrary, to Show That You’re Just Like Some Other People That Radio Already Feels Comfortable Playing So They Should Play You, Too.

    But yet they put out two tracks, one generic pop and one a distinguishable country song up to check which ones the best first single. Maybe the big ups doesn’t necessarily believe that statement to be true otherwise there would be no market research :)

  30. I dont see anything angry or manipulative with whodis30’s post up there. It says if you prefer FD then go and vote for FD. And if you like HO then by all means go and vote for that. Nobody is manipulating anything even Crystal herself had asked her fans to be honest quite a number of times, and a number of her fans are following the same:

    Well, since the point of Hit Predictor is to find out what average, all-the-time radio listeners like best, any time *anybody’s* fans — who otherwise never go to Hit Predictor — go to Hit Predictor and express an opinion, then the poll *is* being manipulated away from what it ordinarily is, and what it’s intended to be. ….

    I would say that, if you’re a Crystal fan and a regular participant at Hit Predictor and a regular radio music listener, then by all means go and register your opinion.

    But if you aren’t, then what you’re doing is messing things up for Crystal — regardless of what she may believe — because you’re expressing an opinion that may well not reflect what the usual radio audience thinks. And it’s the usual radio audience that matters, since unless the music from Crystal that’s put out there actually *expands* her current fanbase, it’s useless to her. These polls are there to find out what music is most likely to *expand* somebody’s fanbase among the general listening audience, not what most appeals to the artist’s current fans.

  31. Honestly, I think both are way overproduced. The music drowns her voice for the most part. What I love about Crystal’s music pre-idol is that it was just her, her music, and her emotions. I think the overproduction takes too much away from that.

  32. Wow.

    Definitely LQ clips but I’m glad we can hear something.

    I’m one of those people who was used to the acoustic Farmer’s Daughter. I really expected it to be produced country and it’s not. They turned it into a soft rock song. It wouldn’t fit country radio at all which is amazing because the acoustic version was all set up for that and the only thing that wasn’t country was Crystal’s voice. IMHO they really missed an opportunity. I don’t like the the tempo change.

    Oddly enough Hold On’s the one that would even fit country radio better than Farmer’s Daughter. They probably won’t push it there but it fits HAC fine.

    FD is MUCH better lyrically but they didn’t keep the rawness of it. I’m disappointed.

  33. Honestly, I think both are way overproduced.

    But isn’t over-production the nature of the beast for most main stream albums? It may not “highlight” the singer but it has been the traditional way of presenting a song. Connoisseurs of accustic music may find recording production slightly intolerable, but it has been proven that most music listeners like all the bells and whistles contained on most albums.

    Crystal will have the opportunity to do the songs “her way” on her live performances. Look at Kris or Adam or Kelly…their tour songs are often miles apart from the recorded version…that is the benefit of a good voice.

    If Crystal can keep it together through this first foray she may have the opportunity to record accoustically…something the Britneys, Keishas, and Katies can’t do.

  34. Not liking HO very much, can’t hear Crystal’s voice its lost in the music! FD is ok nothing like her YT version, sounds really country to me, Im not into country music. The passion of watching and listening to her is lost when she is recorded.

  35. Hold On sounds like her voice is bland, but I’ll wait for a better mix to judge.

    Farmers Daughter sounds better to me, but those background singers make it a bit cheesy.

    She is totally not country to me. I mean I could see her having a song or 2 do okay on that chart, but to me she is what she is… an alt/folk girl. She belongs on AAA radio with the occasional HAC/AC crossover hit. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. :D

  36. She is totally not country to me. I mean I could see her having a song or 2 do okay on that chart, but to me she is what she is… an alt/folk girl. She belongs on AAA radio with the occasional HAC/AC crossover hit. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

    To me she was always a little country , and now that i’ve heard these tracks, I’m even more convinced of that. Crystal said it herself that most of her songs could be great country songs.

  37. I actually like Hold On, it has an interesting time signature, but I agree with whomever didn’t like the shouty bridge (I totally agree). It sounds like something I’d hear on HAC, so I hope for Crystal’s sake this song is still the single. Still not a fan of hers, but I hope for her fans her music does well. Maybe I’d like her better if I didn’t read her tweets people post here (lol).

    I listened to a little of FD, and didn’t really care for it too much.

    I totally agree on not spamming Hit Predictor; it’s completely counterproductive imo.

  38. But if you aren’t, then what you’re doing is messing things up for Crystal — regardless of what she may believe — because you’re expressing an opinion that may well not reflect what the usual radio audience thinks. And it’s the usual radio audience that matters, since unless the music from Crystal that’s put out there actually *expands* her current fanbase, it’s useless to her. These polls are there to find out what music is most likely to *expand* somebody’s fanbase among the general listening audience, not what most appeals to the artist’s current fans.

    So my response was to a response to another response which I didnt feel like was an angry banter to mess up a system (see my first sentence).

    By the way I agree with system being used to determine hits for the radio based on user listening profiles, but thats just a hypothesis really, an ideal situation in my opinion. These open systems would always be flawed on the front but I am sure there would checks and measures on it to prevent any abuses like what you described. Also this was found by a fan of Crystal who was a registered user and hence there might be more relevant fan/participants who can contribute. Anyhow I dont think this is the only factor they are considering to determine what her first single will be though I am glad it wasnt just handed down to her (seems likely its not confirmed yet).

  39. windmills is resident country radio expert (to me). I don’t listen to country, so I usual like her feedback. I though FD would have done well on country radio. hmm

  40. The passion of watching and listening to her is lost when she is recorded.

    Isn’t that the fly in the ointment. Some people just have voices that are more “live” friendly, and others are all about over-produced recordings.

    The peeps who “search” for the next recording star are well aware of this phenomenon…that is why few are signed. Now, through AI, Crystal has her contract but is her style of singing up to the task. Based on these two songs (even with the bad sound) the jury is still out.

  41. She is totally not country to me. I mean I could see her having a song or 2 do okay on that chart, but to me she is what she is… an alt/folk girl. She belongs on AAA radio with the occasional HAC/AC crossover hit. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

    IA, except AAA radios are not going to play an idol alumni, so Crystal is mainly a HAC/AC artist and those are full of ex contestants.

  42. Hold On sounds like a generic type pop song, but that’s what it is so it’s fine I suppose. I actually like the power ballad (if that’s the right term) countryish take on Farmers Daughter. She sounds really good and sounds like Crystal. She can always strip it down some in concert, as other people have pointed out. My critique would be pretty simple–lose the backing chorus.

  43. So my response was to a response to another response which I didnt feel like was an angry banter to mess up a system (see my first sentence).

    Gotcha!

  44. Crystal said it herself that most of her songs could be great country songs.

    Oh, I think some of her songs sound country-ish but Crystal herself doesn’t seem like a mainstream country act IMO. How long before she does/says something that gets that audience to turn on her a la Dixie Chicks? LOL Somehow I don’t see that lasting long.

    IA, except AAA radios are not going to play an idol alumni,

    Unfortunately, you are probably correct. Boo. But its not like AA reaches more then 6 people anyway. Heh.

  45. Oh, I think some of her songs sound country-ish but Crystal herself doesn’t seem like a mainstream country act IMO. How long before she does/says something that gets that audience to turn on her a la Dixie Chicks? LOL Somehow I don’t see that lasting long.

    Unfortunately, that’s a good point! …

  46. I don’t think you can spam Hit Predictor too much, because you only get to rate the songs as they are played. I’ve never found a way to force it to play (or not play) a particular song.

    I’ve always thought Crystal belongs on AAA. If she is country, she’d be on the outlaw side – and those people are played on AAA as well. I’m not surprised by the sound of songs, but am a little disappointed. She loses a little of her lovely purity – a big part of what makes her so special.

  47. I don’t think you can spam Hit Predictor too much, because you only get to rate the songs as they are played. I’ve never found a way to force it to play (or not play) a particular song.

    Actually you can listen to all the offered songs in one sitting. I joined HP about 3 years ago. I’ve found new artists through them. I stopped participating when they changed their song classifications and started feeding me songs in genres I didn’t like AND they used songs from AI alums to drive traffic to their site. At that point I stopped going there. If they do stuff like that, I don’t know what purpose their end product serves.

  48. I think both songs could work on country stations, but I’m not sure if that’s what Crystal wants.

    I don’t think you can spam Hit Predictor too much, because you only get to rate the songs as they are played.

    I think the issue is more about giving the label and PDs an honest look at how the general public feels about an artist or a song. I’ve seen tweets from people who want to send the results of some of these online song battle polls to PDs in other markets, but since the polls are spammed by people who don’t even live in those markets, what do they really mean. PDs want to know what their listeners think of a song, not what someone who doesn’t even listen to their format, or who lives in another state thinks.

  49. I’m pretty sure the label is hip to the fact that Idol peeps have fans that are overly represented on HP. Everyone must know what’s up by now.

  50. I keep listening to FD to figure out how anybody’s hearing any country in the production because I really don’t. It sounds like Carole King but it almost has a beachy feel in a few places. I guess you could say Kenny Chesney and a Zac Brown Band song like Toes have beachy feels too but I really don’t think that’s what David Bendeth was going for. There’s no fiddle, banjo, or steel. They took out the rawness that would’ve potentially made it fit alt country. It’s just so smooth now. Crystal’s singing isn’t country either.

    I think if you’re a new act presenting yourself to country radio especially coming off Idol, they want to hear you sound country. They don’t want to feel like you’re just going country because you don’t fit anywhere else. That’s what’s tripped up the guys who’ve gone country since s5 and it’s something Casey’ll have to be wary of.

    But the way this stuff is produced and seeing as Crystal’s on Jive I don’t think she’s going to start out presenting herself to country radio. ITA she’s a AAA/HAC gal for now.

  51. I actually liked Hold On. Yeah, it isn’t astounding, but as a Karla joint – not bad. I don’t get shouty, unless you think that Kelly Clarkson is shouty. But personally, I like Kelly, and I like the way Crystal sounds.

    Eh. Not feeling so dire to me.

  52. @windmills. Sorry, but if it’s not country I’m hearing on FD, then it’s a genre that I can’t classify.

  53. I keep listening to FD to figure out how anybody’s hearing any country in the production because I really don’t.

    I don’t hear it in the production of this song. I agree with you there. I just think that people whose songwriting is lyrical-ballad-based, and whose ordinary apparently preferred performance style has a big emphasis on storytelling lyrics and a kind of folkie feel, heavy on acoustic instruments of various kinds, probably can’t find much of a money-paying home in modern music outside of country.

    I don’t think all of us are saying that we hear country production in the song as it is, in other words! I’m not. I’m just saying that I can see Crystal doing country more than I can see her doing any of the other higher-paying genre niches. (but, as tinawina points out, she’d be a maverick — so she might get her cds run over by bulldozers, and sooner rather than later, I suppose … )

  54. As I have come to understand it (not that I like it!) is that the entire point of first singles is *not* to differentiate you or showcase your specific original talents but, on the contrary, to Show That You’re Just Like Some Other People That Radio Already Feels Comfortable Playing So They Should Play You, Too.

    Honestly, I fear this is the mistake that they keep making over and over with these later AI alums who already have a solid artistic identity. Instead of really getting to know the artist and how to market them to suit their natural artistic bent and help them realize that potential, they think, well, who do they sort of sound like that we can mimic with our stable of hitmakers to get radio play? Blake is the worst example that comes to mind, when they went for a Timberlake type thing to try to mainstream him instead of downscaling their expectations to the electronica/dance/club niche market that suits him, and it crashed and burned. IMO his second album is the album he always should have made. I don’t think the pounding a square peg into a round hole, or even pounding a square peg in a sorta square-ish but also sorta round-ish hole, approach is the way to go, but what do I know? Maybe that’s the best way to make money on their investment, but as a music consumer, I don’t much care for it.

    From the few Crystal originals I’ve heard, if I were Crystal’s A&R person, I’d be thinking alt country, like a female Ryan Adams. That’s the way she came across to me. A song like Hold On as a first single isn’t what I imagined. If you take away the little I already knew about Crystal as an artist, though, it’s not a bad song, exactly, definitely ready for HAC play at the very least. But I don’t know if a song that vaguely sounds like a bunch of other songs I’ve already heard is the way to make a big splash, or kick off a long term career, either.

    The production on Farmer’s Daughter needs a little more grit- it sounds a bit too polished for the subject matter. The lyrics are much better than the other song, though, by a mile, and at least have something interesting to say.

  55. Glenfarclas, 25 year old Scotch Whiskey and add copious amounts of water!!!!!!!!!!! congratulations Jive, you just gutted the brilliance out of Bowersox! Didn’t think that was possible, I guess I was wrong! Wasn’t believing the “Planned Failure,” stratagem that Jive had to get out of their contracts with AI artist. Wrong Again!

  56. : lili_anne7: Sorry, but if it’s not country I’m hearing on FD, then it’s a genre that I can’t classify.

    I’d classify it as the same genre as people would classify Carole King and Elton John’s piano based soft rock.

    lucy: I don’t hear it in the production of this song. I agree with you there. I just think that people whose songwriting is lyrical-ballad-based, and whose ordinary apparently preferred performance style has a big emphasis on storytelling lyrics and a kind of folkie feel, heavy on acoustic instruments of various kinds, probably can’t find much of a money-paying home in modern music outside of country.

    OK that makes sense. I agree with you about the storytelling aspect and the folkie feel. The production of FD COULD have been done to fit country but it wasn’t. I remember the acoustic performance of Speak Now sounded like it could be produced country too.

    That having been said I’m tired of people’s genres being determined by what the best “money paying home” would be and I think to some degree country radio is too.

  57. Actually you can listen to all the offered songs in one sitting

    I usually have about 30 minutes at a time for HP, and have never gotten through all the songs yet. If I rate a particular song highly, then I am fed 6 more from the same artist; it doesn’t necessarily go through the displayed list in order. Maybe I’m doing it wrong. I still maintain that it’s harder to spam HP than radio polls. We know the kind of frenzy those things generate. If Crystal’s songs roll around while I’m listening, I’ll happily give them my honest assessment.

  58. Honestly, I fear this is the mistake that they keep making over and over with these later AI alums who already have a solid artistic identity. Instead of really getting to know the artist and how to market them to suit their natural artistic bent and help them realize that potential, they think, well, who do they sort of sound like that we can mimic with our stable of hitmakers to get radio play? Blake is the worst example that comes to mind, when they went for a Timberlake type thing to try to mainstream him instead of downscaling their expectations to the electronica/dance/club niche market that suits him, and it crashed and burned. IMO his second album is the album he always should have made.

    Totally agree with this. … Wish they would think outside of this box, but they don’t seem so inclined.

  59. That having been said I’m tired of people’s genres being determined by what the best “money paying home” would be and I think to some degree country radio is too.

    Yeah, me too! Unfortunately, we’re not record-label or radio execs, however!

  60. Hold On is just as boring as the original. What an odd choice for the cd.

    I was looking forward to Farmers Daughter and I’m currently disappointed.. not in Crystal.. but in the production. I can’t help but feel like I’m in a cowboy bar when I hear that song and that’s not the feeling I got from the acoustic song.

    Still.. if I were to buy a song it would be FD.

  61. I can see why they would choose Hold On as the single, since imo it is more suited towards HAC.
    I’ll wait for the full songs before I will really form an opinion if I like them or not.

  62. congratulations Jive, you just gutted the brilliance out of Bowersox! Didn’t think that was possible, I guess I was wrong!

    Well, to be fair, this is a bit of a new twist on their usual activity. They kind of managed to Bice Crystal while still letting her perform her own original material. … In the past, they Biced you with crappy Norwegian songwriting in a genre 180 degrees away from your own. Now they Bowersox you with limp, kind of but not totally inappropriate arrangements of your originals. Different tactic, same strategy, I guess.

  63. I’d classify it as the same genre as people would classify Carole King and Elton John’s piano based soft rock.

    I admit, my knowledge of country music is very limited. I’m not a big fan of country, but people like me would probably hear FD and classify it as country. I don’t know why, maybe it’s Crystal’s voice. But that’s the first thing that popped into my head when I heard FD for the first time.

  64. In the past, they Biced you with crappy Norwegian songwriting in a genre 180 degrees away from your own. Now they Bowersox you with limp, kind of but not totally inappropriate arrangements of your originals. Different tactic, same strategy, I guess.

    This made me LOL. ” They bowersox you”

  65. The bottom line is not whether her die-hard fans will buy the singles or the entire CD, but whether the average Joe and Jane out there will buy it. I think they will. She still has an excellent voice, despite what those that are posting here think of the “production value”. Most people don’t “analyze” songs or artists that closely, either they like the song or cd, and buy it or not (unless the artist is particularly offensive to them, say like Kanye West (love his new song but not downloading it cause he offends me.)

  66. I admit, my knowledge of country music is very limited. I’m not a big fan of country, but people like me would probably hear FD and classify it as country. I don’t why, maybe it’s Crystal’s voice. But that’s the first thing that popped into my head when I heard FD for the first time.

    IA. If you ignore her voice and lyrics, the production and instrumentation is piano based. Crystal has a folk/country leaning sound in her voice on FD. I do think they went for a power ballad type production on HO and I don’t hear the same twang in her voice in that recording.

    I’m just listening to Melissa Etheridge’s new cd. It’s definitely rock production. ‘Indiana’ is a great song. Jive should have taken note on this album. It’s fantastic.

  67. Instead of really getting to know the artist and how to market them to suit their natural artistic bent and help them realize that potential, they think, well, who do they sort of sound like that we can mimic with our stable of hitmakers to get radio play?

    But Sony and now Universal were never in the AI game to go out of their comfort zone. The premise of AI is to find the next popular singer, someone who can easily connect to the masses. Just because the AI voters have insisted on crowning wgwg for 3 straight years why should Sony be responsible for finding them a home.

    Crystal went on AI…AI had a contract with Sony (Jive)…Jive wants a popular star for the least investment (business 101). It isn’t up to Jive to find a home for Crystal…it is up to Crystal to find a home for Crystal. Other than being old fashioned what is Crystal’s sound…who is her focus audience? I haven’t been able to figure it out…why should Jive invest time trying to figure it out. They are fulfilling their contract with AI…they gave a finalist a contract…and Jive’s purpose is to promote a great seller with a good popular sound.

  68. Love Hold On — love Crystal’s voice on it. Sorry, I think Farmer’s Daughter is boring-been-there-done-that-singer-songwriter-stuff. I’m surprised they allowed it on the record.

  69. I usually have about 30 minutes at a time for HP, and have never gotten through all the songs yet.

    Probably depends on how often you go to the site. It’s taken me as little as 15 minutes to about 45 minutes to go though their entire queue. I used to log on when I was multi tasking. I haven’t been on in about 6 months. They kept feeding me hard core country music.. which I’m not a fan of in any form. This happened about 4 times, so I stopped going there.

  70. Hit Predictor insited on making me listen to Christian music, I gave up.

  71. If you prefer FD as the single be sure to visit hitpredictor and review the songs. I made it clear that while I like both, FD is the one I prefer. If Jive is doing this to get feedback, then let’s take advantage of the opportunity to speak our minds and tell them what we think.

    JMHO but Jive is not going to use Hit Predictor to decide what to release. If the strategy is to promote the album with a big single and to get on Pop and HAC radio — the single will be HO because FD is not likely to get as much airplay.

    Crystal is signed to Jive — which pretty much means she will not be marketed as a Country artist. But Jive has marketed artist to Christian/Inspirational market (Jordin, Kris) and to the Hispanic/Latin US market (Allison, Archie) when they believed there was cross-genre opportunity. So I guess anything is possible. But both tracks seems pretty squarely pop to me — and I do not expect to hear either on my local country stations.

    Honestly, I fear this is the mistake that they keep making over and over with these later AI alums who already have a solid artistic identity. Instead of really getting to know the artist and how to market them to suit their natural artistic bent and help them realize that potential, they think, well, who do they sort of sound like that we can mimic with our stable of hitmakers to get radio play? Blake is the worst example that comes to mind, when they went for a Timberlake type thing to try to mainstream him instead of downscaling their expectations to the electronica/dance/club niche market that suits him, and it crashed and burned. IMO his second album is the album he always should have made.

    I understand and agree with the concept but the problem is that niche artist don’t sell much.

    Assuming they did Crystal’s album on a lower budget (not a lot of expensive producers, only 1 song with expensive writers) and have a low $1.5 million budget — they still have to have to sell about 400K album units and have 1 big hit track to breakeven.

    The average major label album costs $2 million. So I think that my $1.5 million may be low — because there is the #2’s $300K advance, and that only leaves $1.2 million for production and promotion — an album, a couple of videos and some promo to radio and you are out of money.

    I don’t see how Jive could afford to market Crystal as a niche artist — and sell 50,000 or 100,000 units. Unfortunately, the only people who can make niche market albums for major labels are huge stars — not new artists.

  72. sr4mjc: IA. If you ignore her voice and lyrics, the production and instrumentation is piano based. Crystal has a folk/country leaning sound in her voice on FD. I do think they went for a power ballad type production on HO and I don’t hear the same twang in her voice in that recording.

    I hear folk/rock but Crystal’s voice really isn’t country. I’m a huge country fan and when you’re talking about female voices some of the defining country voices include Tammy Wynette/Patsy Cline/Loretta Lynn/Dolly Parton/Emmylou Harris/Reba/Trisha Yearwood/Lee Ann Womack/Martina McBride. Crystal doesn’t sound anything like them. Crystal’s got a lot more in common with Janis Joplin vocally and Melissa Etheridge these days. Live sometimes I can hear Lucinda Williams’s alt-country/rock in Crystal’s voice but not in the FD studio clip.

  73. Farmer’s Daughter doesn’t sound country at all to me. I really hate the instrumentation, it is all wrong for the song. Hold On just isn’t very interesting to me.

    However, still mystified by the record label sympathizers. I don’t think I will ever understand that mindset lol.

  74. Finally got to listen, damn Apple needs to make a deal with java/adobe flash for the ipods!

    I liked Hold On, but it doesn’t sound like Crystal to me. So many words, sounded kind of rushed and she is kinda shouty in the bridge.

    I really liked Farmer’s Daughter, those lyrics..damn. I’ve never heard the song before. Can someone give me a link to the acoustic version?? WOW. Powerful shit right there, just from the parts I heard. I think the production is a little much, but her voice shines through on that song. I may have to buy this album..or at least that song.

  75. Ugh… Worlds have collided, and the studio has killed Independent Crystal.

    I can barely hear her over the overproduced music and chorus. Not entirely surprised, it is what Jive is famous for, but I must admit to feeling a little sad right now. Farmer’s Daughter is especially hard to listen to because the stripped down acoustic version is so much more powerful and authentic.

    It is what it is….and that’s a shame.

  76. I guess we’ll all have to agree to disagree.

    My first reaction to these songs, especially Farmer’s Daughter, was country.

  77. Sorry Crystal, but I think ‘Farmer’s daughter’ is just a badly written song. There’s no ‘there’ there. Plus the production sucks.

    I dislike Hold On for the reasons others have already said 5 million times, although the first few lines sound nice.

    I feel bad for Crystal, but it’s been clear for some time that the label wasn’t investing in her and it’s obvious hearing these clips.

  78. Ugh… Worlds have collided, and the studio has killed Independent Crystal

    Cheer up! I’ll bet she does otherwise live.

    Does anyone know if XM (Sirius) has an acoustic-only station? It would be cool if they started something that allowed folks like Crystal and Lee to record versions that are more “them” and have them played on one station. I’ll bet there would be a lot of interest, given what I read here.

  79. Tess:
    11/08/2010 at 12:18 pm
    Instead of really getting to know the artist and how to market them to suit their natural artistic bent and help them realize that potential, they think, well, who do they sort of sound like that we can mimic with our stable of hitmakers to get radio play?

    But Sony and now Universal were never in the AI game to go out of their comfort zone. The premise of AI is to find the next popular singer, someone who can easily connect to the masses. Just because the AI voters have insisted on crowning wgwg for 3 straight years why should Sony be responsible for finding them a home.

    A) Honestly, what does the tired old annoying as all hell wgwg mantra bring to this discussion? Blake was hardly a wgwg, LOL. And neither is Crystal. Sony is responsible because they had a contract with 19. They obviously can choose to do as little or as much as possible to develop the talent they acquired through AI.
    B) Sometimes I just wonder why should Sony be completely static in their POV? What benefit do they get by being hardheaded and myopic? I certainly grew tired of the cookie cutter way they approached the marketing and packaging their AI talent, especially as the show underwent a bit of a metamorphosis. Maybe I’m not the only music consumer who feels that way. Should be interesting to see if Universal follow the Sony blueprint.
    C) Whose to say lightening couldn’t strike taking a different approach? I mean, lightening is a rare and unpredictable thing either way.

    I don’t see how Jive could afford to market Crystal as a niche artist — and sell 50,000 or 100,000 units. Unfortunately, the only people who can make niche market albums for major labels are huge stars — not new artists.

    I see your point, and the business side of music is definitely way more foreign to me than the artistic side. But doesn’t a niche artist occasionally have a little crossover appeal? What do they do with people like Ray LaMontagne when they sign them? Bank on one single that will cross over to mainstream?

  80. I’m not liking ‘Hold On’ at all. It may grow on me, but it doesn’t sound like a Crystal song. I’m disappointed :(

    ‘Farmer’s Daughter’ is a much better song and should have been first single. It has a very bluegrass sound to me. Maybe that’s the country others are hearing. Her acoustic of this is far superior though.

  81. negativo:
    11/08/2010 at 12:41 pm
    Ugh… Worlds have collided, and the studio has killed Independent Crystal.

    “I feel your PAIN!”

  82. lili_anne7:
    11/08/2010 at 12:50 pm

    Can someone give me a link to the acoustic version?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKaTlmrMyQk

    Oh my. That was beautiful. I can see why some are upset about the version on Hitpredictor. BUT, not having heard the acoustic version until now, I really liked the hitpredictor version first. Maybe that will be true of casual fans as well.

  83. The average major label album costs $2 million. So I think that my $1.5 million may be low — because there is the #2’s $300K advance, and that only leaves $1.2 million for production and promotion — an album, a couple of videos and some promo to radio and you are out of money.

    I don’t think they spent anything like that on this album. Hence the one producer and the decision to let her put all her own songs on there. They could easily have recorded this for a few hundred thousand dollars if not less. And I wouldn’t expect to see anything spent on radio promo. If there’s a video it will be low-budget.

    They already knew Crystal’s low sales potential before they started working with her based on the post-show sales, so they wouldn’t have racked up huge costs.

  84. However, still mystified by the record label sympathizers.

    Recording music is “big business” and once you have sold your soul to the devil (the label) they own you hook line and sinker. It’s not that I’m sympathetic to the label…it’s more that I don’t understand that someone would sign with a label without having their personal ducks in a row and researching how the system works…and some AI finalists are apparently guilty of this.

    No matter how you shake it the Idol newbies are unproven commodities and the label is risking lots of mulah on these kids. The label usually has a business plan and the artist themselves are just a small portion of this. And why shouldn’t the label make the decisions…it is their money.

  85. Thanks for posting the acoustic version of FD. I probably have a greater appreciation for her songwriting, although I hope she has a greater variety stashed on her album. From a non-country music fan.. the studio produced version sounds much more country than her acoustic version. If I heard he acoustic version on my HAC station I would probably enjoy it, but not the studio produced version.

    and some AI finalists are apparently guilty of this.

    definitely more than one or two.

  86. I though Crystal’s fans were head over heels for the choice of producer for this album. Just proves to me that until you hear the finished product some things are better left unenthused over.

    I agree so much :)

  87. From a non-country music fan.. the studio produced version sounds much more country than her acoustic version. If I heard he acoustic version on my HAC station I would probably enjoy it, but not the studio produced version.

    That’s exactly how I feel. I LOVE the acoustic version, but the studio version… not so much. If this is the single, I probably won’t purchase it.

  88. Out of the two Hold One seems more interesting. I was expecting something different from the other song, more aocustic, I guess.
    Neither really greabs me tbh.

  89. I though Crystal’s fans were head over heels for the choice of producer for this album. Just proves to me that until you hear the finished product some things are better left unenthused over.

    Thanks for the lecture, Tess. Much appreciated that you would take time out of your busy day to let us know how foolish we were to ever get excited about Crystal’s music. It certainly follows MJ’s guidelines for staying on topic rather than attacking the posters, too.

    Well done.

    EDIT: NVM…MJ already got it.

  90. Crystal went on AI…AI had a contract with Sony (Jive)…Jive wants a popular star for the least investment (business 101). It isn’t up to Jive to find a home for Crystal…it is up to Crystal to find a home for Crystal. Other than being old fashioned what is Crystal’s sound…who is her focus audience? I haven’t been able to figure it out…why should Jive invest time trying to figure it out. They are fulfilling their contract with AI…they gave a finalist a contract…and Jive’s purpose is to promote a great seller with a good popular sound.

    Well said. For good, for ill, for whatever, this is the size of the situation … and always has been.

  91. IMO, just skipping the back round singing would make FD much “cleaner” and better. To me, all they add, is back round noise, making the over all sound, sound smeared.

    I think the drums are a good addition and would also compliment the acoustic version, which is probably what we´ll hear, when they show the VH1 recording

  92. hmmmm Crystal wasn’t kidding when she said production was going to lean towards country. I can totaly picture these on country radio.

    And as someone who hasn’t listened to her live stuff over and over again I thought the production sounded good.

  93. B) Sometimes I just wonder why should Sony be completely static in their POV? What benefit do they get by being hardheaded and myopic?

    Well, they probably don’t get any benefit. And this will most likely become clearer and clearer as time goes on. Nevertheless, I think it’s probably fairly clear by looking at the current music industry that the big labels won’t do anything but fight as hard as they can to maintain the industry and their roles in it as much the same way as they have been for decades — until the whole thing completely falls apart under them and they simply don’t have any dollars left to do this any more.

    It’s strange for musicians to be caught in this changing world with all this going on, I’m sure. But then life has always been strange — and hard — for musicians. And maybe what will eventually come out the other end is a world that is somewhat friendlier to niches (I don’t know that there’s a guarantee of this, but lots of people seem to think so …) so if the niche people can just hold on, maybe their chances of snagging an independent label deal that will still make them a living (if not a Madonna-level living) will be better than ever a few years down the line.

  94. Wow, they really ruined Farmer’s Daughter. Hold On is what I expected.

    I was tempted to buy this CD, but after hearing what they did to FD, i’m not so sure now.

    FD sounds very country to me also.

  95. Crystal went on AI…AI had a contract with Sony (Jive)…Jive wants a popular star for the least investment (business 101). It isn’t up to Jive to find a home for Crystal…it is up to Crystal to find a home for Crystal. Other than being old fashioned what is Crystal’s sound…who is her focus audience? I haven’t been able to figure it out…why should Jive invest time trying to figure it out. They are fulfilling their contract with AI…they gave a finalist a contract…and Jive’s purpose is to promote a great seller with a good popular sound.

    Quoted for truth. That’s what shows like Idol and X Factor are all about. It’s really not about artistry. And major labels are not waiting for Idol to find niche artists for them.

  96. They are fulfilling their contract with AI…they gave a finalist a contract…and Jive’s purpose is to promote a great seller with a good popular sound.

    I don´t know why this gets repeated. Runner up is NOT guaranteed a contract. Sony only has the first option which they took advantage of. Correct me if I´m wrong, put please show your source

  97. negativo, I don’t think that Tess was attacking anyone. It think that what she meant was that people who have been fans of other idols have been through a similar situation, and won’t be caught out again.
    I was personally gutted when David Cook’s album was released. The label had glossed over every positive collaboration and the producer seemed excellent, but the result was a shock.
    Now, I try to expect nothing, until things actually happen.

  98. I don´t know why this gets repeated. Runner up is NOT guaranteed a contract. Sony only has the first option which they took advantage of. Correct me if I´m wrong, put please show your source

    Eriko – I don’t think they are forced to sign on a runner up. It wouldn’t surprise me however if it was just one of those things that ‘always’ happens because it makes sense to do so. Heck if they signed Blake (who I like) then they’ll sign any 1st runner up to make a buck.

  99. What do they do with people like Ray LaMontagne when they sign them? Bank on one single that will cross over to mainstream?

    I think so. Yeah. … And, of course, some of the niche-y people they sign already have developed pretty large local or regional followings. So they can count on an audience of a certain size there, and these audiences — unlike pre-formed Idol audiences — tend to be pretty long-lasting, rather than fickle and ready to fly away with the next tv season. So if somebody starts with a very very strong local or regional following, has an image that the label thinks may sell as attractive to the larger American public, and then has the musical potential to maybe produce one or two big crossover hits, given the right production team, then I think they are likely to consider them a chance worth taking.

    Most Idol alums lack the very very strong, multi-year local or regional following *and* they lack the “record-company-thinks-this-might-be-large-scale-salable” image in many cases (Crystal’s, for example, I would bet). So this leaves the company trying to get the crossover hit, basically.

  100. Runner up is NOT guaranteed a contract.

    And how do we know that they aren’t guaranteed a contract. In 9 seasons all of the runners-up have received a contract…though some are very short-lived. I would say that 9 out of 9 is a good precedent for my theory.

  101. What she meant was that people who have been fans of other idols have been through a similar situation, and won’t be caught out again.

    Alas, this is what I get for letting my jaded, pessimistic guard down for a moment. Time to rebuild the wall.

  102. And how do we know that they aren’t guaranteed a contract. In 9 seasons all of the runners-up have received a contract…though some are very short-lived. I would say that 9 out of 9 is a good precedent for my theory.

    I wish I´d bookmarked the leak I read about the AI contracts done with contestants prior to appearing on the show. But it was made very clear that ONLY the winner is guaranteed a contract. I´ll search for it when I have more time.

  103. The premise of AI is to find the next popular singer,

    In one of the first shows, in the first season, Randy Jackson said, “The purpose of the show was to find the next pop-music artist.” Although, the pop-music format never really got off of the ground, sorry. AI has never really had a pop-music artist winner. Please don’t say, Kelly Clarkson. However successful, definitely the wrong pigeonhole for Kelly. Too many viewers love the show but literally hate pop-music. May 27, “Dark day for music industry as Bowersox is denied Idol win.” Add Dec. 14, to that date!

  104. I like Crystal’s version of Hold On much better than what was posted here the other day (Kara’s version?). I do think it is overproduced in the chorus where Crystal gets drowned out a little by the music. I love Farmer’s Daughter, but prefer her acoustic version over the more produced version here. Why do labels feel they need to drown the song out with so much back ground music? Don’t they realize it takes away from the meaning of the song?

    Anyway, I’m really looking forward to hearing more from Crystal.

  105. I pray that she leaves the band behind when she tours. Nothing would be better than a Crystal and Frankie solo tour…all acoustic.

  106. Too many viewers love the show but literally hate pop-music.

    Yeah, that’s why new AI artists are mostly so irrelevant to the real world, why radio is not really interested in them…

  107. i’ve been playing hold on over n over and wondering … part of it is striking a chord in my memory….. it has a sound of Queen Bee from a star is born (i could hear crystal singin that song also !)

    sorry just a random thought

    i love them both..(but i too prefer the acoustic stripped down farmers daughter)

  108. I don’t think I said anything about a pop-music artist. I think I said popular artist. And popular artist in my book is someone who has media presence, sells a respectable amount, gets played on main-stream radio, and has well attended tours.

    Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry have all proven themselves to be popular artists, though not necessarily pop singers. They have made the respective labels money, they are in the media, they tour well, and they are played (quite convincingly) on the radio.

  109. And how do we know that they aren’t guaranteed a contract

    See http://www.eejlaw.com/materials/American_Idol_Contestant_Agreement.pdf

    I understand and agree that, unless I am the individual selected as the
    winner of the Competition
    , such agreements shall become fully effective only at the
    election of 19 Recordings Ltd., 19 Merchandising Ltd. and/or 19 Management Ltd

    For each of the other nine “American Idol” finalists, the contracts
    become operative if the 19 companies elect to exercise their options.]

  110. I pray that she leaves the band behind when she tours. Nothing would be better than a Crystal and Frankie solo tour…all acoustic.

    Plus percussion’s :) The VH1 performance will show that combo (trio)

  111. as a crystal fan…. i’ll buy the album and listen to it … and then pray she comes touring near me so i can hear her sing live…which is my favorite way to hear her sing!

  112. In one of the first shows, in the first season, Randy Jackson said, “The purpose of the show was to find the next pop-music artist.”

    I think this show was conceived with people like Whitney Houston in mind. At the time that would have worked… just find us an attractive, charismatic person with a big voice and we’ll do the rest.

    But the problem with basing everything on the idea of a “pop star” is that pop music changes rapidly. Every single person who won (or came in second, for that matter) was a charismatic singer who would have been a good candidate for a mainstream career at one point in time.. just not necessarily in the time they won. Heh. If the labels wanted to be able to spit out reliable pop stars then they are dumb as hell, because that ship sailed a long, long time ago. They’ve had exactly 2… Kelly and Jordin. In 9 years. TWO. I rest my case. LOL

    I think it should be more as Tess says… charistmatic singers who could do very well in their genres, and maybe have one crossover hit. The problem is they don’t do that. They take people like Taylor and make him record that thing he recorded. He couldn’t have done a band jam album with a Dave Matthews type crossover song or two on it? Bo, Blake.. I mean really, how is that not just straight up label boneheaded-ness? WE HAVE OUR FORMULA AND WE MUST STICK TO IT! Dumb.

    And there are more labels in the Sony group, some smaller ones too, that could do well for some of these more niche-y runner ups. But they never put them there. They don’t HAVE to spend a lot of money on these albums.

  113. Both of these are just ok for me. HO sounds like a cross between Taylor Swift & Kelly Clarkson, so will likely do fine on Hot AC if Jive pushes it. FD is a little too overproduced for my taste — didn’t think the background singers were necessary at all. Neither one of them strike me as Crystal having put a strong individual stamp on them — not like she does when she strips down her original songs like FD, anyway.

    Triple AAA radio rarely plays music from ex-Idols, so unless something drastically changes,I wouldn’t count on Crystal making much of a dent in that format. She’s really going to have to bank on Hot AC and hope that the music will crossover into country, because I don’t know if CHR stations will be interested.

  114. Just catching up, but I have say, I feel like I just got a “Dear John” from the woman who’s music I really love. Someone please tell me these are not the finished product. I’ll probably still buy her CD but…. such a let down. Lost the emotion in FD. Not sure I want to hear “For What It’s Worth” now. Rats, socks and underwear for Christmas again

  115. t2:
    11/08/2010 at 12:18 pm
    Love Hold On — love Crystal’s voice on it. Sorry, I think Farmer’s Daughter is boring-been-there-done-that-singer-songwriter-stuff. I’m surprised they allowed it on the record.

    Looks like 2 of us like it!

  116. I like them both, the one thing Jive can’t screw up is Crystal voice. For me thats what carried both songs. I could see FD as good crossover song, and HO would also get some airtime, enough to get more people to know her. My Opinion!

  117. See http://www.eejlaw.com/materials/American_Idol_Contestant_Agreement

    These excerpts are from season 1 or 2 (see World Idol excerpt). Unless someone has a current idol contract in their possession we can only speculate about what the contestants are entitled to at this time. Regardless of whether the runner-up is “guaranteed” a contract the underlying precedent says that Sony does/did sign the runner-up. I would be totally dumbfounded if AI didn’t sign a runner-up.

  118. Hold On sounds like Kelly Carkson’s “Breakaway” and her voice even sounds like Kelly’s voice. I sort of like the song and this is the type of song that Top 40 radio will play.

    Farmer’s Daughter sounds like something Jewel would sing. Sounds like a watered-down country song. Just OK for me.

  119. Ummmm what is the topic in this thread? M kinda lost now…

    I just wanna add that there are 10 songs we still havent heard yet, lots to look forward to. I think the songs which arent going to be representative of the singles would be sounding more like Crystal :) If crystal says shes happy with all the songs then I am happy as well. If I consider what has been said here, that the songs need to be radio-friendly then both David Bendeth and Crystal has actually achieved and surpassed that goal on both songs in my mind. I really believe that was the compromise that Crystal had to forgo to make the rest of the album sound like her. I cant wait to hear the rest of the album. Its gonna be great :)

  120. I would be totally dumbfounded if AI didn’t sign a runner-up.

    IMO, you made it sound like they were “stuck” with Crystal as they were obliged to sign her up when you said

    why should Jive invest time trying to figure it out. They are fulfilling their contract with AI

    From http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/24/arts/television/24idol.html this year, says:
    The winner and those finalists fortunate enough to secure a management contract with 19 Entertainment

    ETA This probably doesn´t even belong in this thread, so I´m giving this a rest and get back on topic

  121. But the problem with basing everything on the idea of a “pop star” is that pop music changes rapidly. Every single person who won (or came in second, for that matter) was a charismatic singer who would have been a good candidate for a mainstream career at one point in time.. just not necessarily in the time they won.

    QFT. (Although, on reflection, there are a few winners/runners-up whose charisma is utterly lost on me; it still generally holds that they fit into subgenres that have or had mainstream interest at one point.)

    And there are more labels in the Sony group, some smaller ones too, that could do well for some of these more niche-y runner ups. But they never put them there. They don’t HAVE to spend a lot of money on these albums.

    And this, too. I’ve often wondered if a contestant ever said, “Look, here, take some of the advance back, dial back the promo budget, and let me take a risk or two” and if the Sony execs ever even considered it.

  122. But it was made very clear that ONLY the winner is guaranteed a contract. I´ll search for it when I have more time.

    What difference does it make. The runner up has always been signed without exception. I think the label thinks they have enough fans from the show to at least sell some music. The amount of actual support they get varies greatly of course. Although with some runners up, it is hard to believe they would be signed unless there was a legal obligation to do so. ;)

  123. I suspect that at times they also sign runner-ups to make sure that they don’t go to another label. Disclaimer: I am not saying that it’s the case for Crystal.

  124. Bo, Blake.. I mean really, how is that not just straight up label boneheaded-ness? WE HAVE OUR FORMULA AND WE MUST STICK TO IT! Dumb.

    That’s the problem with Sony. They have only one formula for ALL Idols and that’s pop music. But, it doesn’t work that way and that’s the reason most Idols fail and get dropped. There is also not enough time to really create something that’s truly wonderful, because they are in such a hurry to get the units out for Xmas sales and before the next season of Idol begins.

    I think it’s very sad for Idols because their first cd release is truly a make it or break it opportunity.

  125. tammyinohio:
    11/08/2010 at 10:17 am
    Honestly, I think both are way overproduced. The music drowns her voice for the most part. What I love about Crystal’s music pre-idol is that it was just her, her music, and her emotions. I think the overproduction takes too much away from that.

    I agree 1000%!

  126. They have only one formula for ALL Idols and that’s pop music.

    So Carrie’s first song was pop? How about Daughtry? And I don’t think I’d classify Light On as superfluous pop.

    I think the labels are looking for a song that will be listened to by the most peeps and that radio stations will play. What good would it do an idol to just have their music on a few local stations.

    I just don’t understand this resistance to a newbie recording artist putting out something that may have a chance of selling and being heard.

    And it is sad that Bo was Biced, and Taylor taylorized…But Clay was never given a pop ditty (I don’t think), nor was Ruben or Fantasia. Some Idols with a strong, accepted genre have done OK outside of the pop mainstream…so I just don’t think that every Idol is forced to do a pop song.

  127. But Clay was never given a pop ditty

    Invisible got some radio play. But I don’t know where it peaked. sorry, a little off topic.

  128. I just listened a second time to see if it was just initial shock that clouded my judgment.

    It wasn’t.

    Fuck.

  129. So Carrie’s first song was pop? How about Daughtry? And I don’t think I’d classify Light On as superfluous pop.

    I would classify Carrie’s music as country-pop and Daughtry & Cook’s music as pop-rock. It’s still pop.

  130. But Clay was never given a pop ditty (I don’t think),

    invisible was a pop ditty.

  131. I also think Carrie’s, Clay’s and Daughtry’s post-Idol cd’s were so successful is because Sony got it right with them. But, with other Idols, Sony missed the mark completely. Then they go ahead and drop the Idol when it was really all their all own fault by giving them CRAPPY songs!

    Epic fail, Sony!!

  132. I just listened a second time to see if it was just initial shock that clouded my judgment.

    It wasn’t.

    Fuck.

    LOL…it took me 5 listenings before I could listen without comparing simultaneously. It does get better but not enough so. Hopefully with a good quality copy, the other instruments won´t be all smeared together and show some positive nuances. Completely dropping the backround singers would IMO, go a long way in improving

  133. It’s not that bad. ” Hold On” is really growing on me, and I think it has a lot of potential on HAC. I still can’t get over what they did to FD, but that’s because I was so used to hearing it acoustic. Otherwise there are still 10 other songs to look forward to.

  134. Some Idols with a strong, accepted genre have done OK outside of the pop mainstream

    And some never got that chance. If your non-pop niche is big – like Country or R&B – then you are fine. But if you are Blake or Bo, they will make you record an album designed for mass consumption as opposed to signing you to the type of label that can work with what you do. All anyone is saying is that perhaps they should rethink that strategy, since it hasn’t worked once yet.

    I just don’t understand this resistance to a newbie recording artist putting out something that may have a chance of selling and being heard.

    People who put out music you have never heard are out there, and some are quite happy with their lives. The world does not revolve around superstardom for everyone. And, IT DOESN’T WORK. If they successfully turned the Bo Bices of the world into pop stars then okay, but they don’t.

    Every last one of these people end up in the genre where they were destined to belong anyway. The difference is, they could have sold a first album to their hardcore fanbases that better reflected who they really were, and retained some more of those Idol fans. Instead they crash and burn with ill fitting product. And it is stupid to me. YMMV.

  135. It is possible that the rest of the album will be less over-produced, or a least the tracks that won’t be future singles.

  136. I’m another one who hadn’t heard the acoustic version of FD, so I was blown away by this version of the song! Yes, it has some overproduction, but the lyrics are just so powerful, I can ignore that. The acoustic version (listened to after the studio version) is the better version, but Crystal is not putting out an acoustic album. I can live with (and enjoy–yes, it is GOOD!) the studio version and she can perform the song acoustically on tour. Works for me. Did her mother really “break her bones”? So sad, if true.

    Hold On is just ok for me. Nothing special.

  137. Attention, potentially VERY good news

    Someone
    @DAVIDBENDETH IMO and many others, FD is over produced. Can´t you at least drop the backround singers which Crystal voice is fighting with?

    His reply:
    DAVID BENDETH
    the record is not even mastered, the record is still being mixed. The cake is still in the oven. Don’t believe everything you hear. :-)

  138. And some never got that chance. If your non-pop niche is big – like Country or R&B – then you are fine. But if you are Blake or Bo, they will make you record an album designed for mass consumption as opposed to signing you to the type of label that can work with what you do. All anyone is saying is that perhaps they should rethink that strategy, since it hasn’t worked once yet.

    Or, maybe Idol should do better casting and only put to the live shows contestants that are either pop or belong to one of the big non-pop niches.

  139. And, of course, some of the niche-y people they sign already have developed pretty large local or regional followings. So they can count on an audience of a certain size there, and these audiences — unlike pre-formed Idol audiences — tend to be pretty long-lasting, rather than fickle and ready to fly away with the next tv season.

    True. This is where I think they could capitalize on the ones who were out there and hitting the pavement and have that indie grassroots fanbase building mentality already ingrained. Stanning aside, really I swear, I think Cookie was smart in approaching his career this way, not expecting to be the next Carrie or Kelly, which is such a crapshoot, and touring his ass off to try and counteract the AI fanbase erosion a little bit. Nothing builds the smaller but uber-loyal kind of following you’re talking about like touring. But it helps to make music that suits your live show. I think there was an article with an industry guy who talked about this when Cook came off of the show, that he’d have to decide whether he wanted to court the mainstream-ish Daughtry kind of success with the kind of fans who mostly buy what they hear on the radio and move on when the radio hits dry up, or the music junkie kind of fans who know all the words to the deep album cuts and go to the live shows year after year and buy the merch etc etc. Cook ended up courting both, really, and it remains to be seen how many of each type he hooked when the new album drops. Crystal getting out there and playing gigs with like minded artists is another good step in that type of direction, as is Kris and his long list of opening gigs.

    I think it should be more as Tess says… charistmatic singers who could do very well in their genres, and maybe have one crossover hit. The problem is they don’t do that. They take people like Taylor and make him record that thing he recorded. He couldn’t have done a band jam album with a Dave Matthews type crossover song or two on it? Bo, Blake.. I mean really, how is that not just straight up label boneheaded-ness? WE HAVE OUR FORMULA AND WE MUST STICK TO IT! Dumb.

    Duuuude, that’s what I was talkin about. A little flexibility in approaching each artist might not be a bad thing, Sony dinosaurs.

  140. You know the more I listen to Hold On, the more I like it.

    Sure, I like the acoustic version of Farmers Daughter better…more angst. (not sure that angst sell though). But it’s a different version. She has been singing FD a little bit differently almost every time she performs it.

    When she is out on the road, she can perform it acoustically if she wants. Maybe down the road, she can put out an acoustic album???

    Still can’t wait for her album.

  141. Or, maybe Idol should do better casting and only put to the live shows contestants that are either pop or belong to one of the big non-pop niches.

    And then the show would be boring, and we’d complain that all the contestants sounded the same. If they cast for a recording career everyone would be thin, conventionally attractive and sound like someone else already making money.

    What works for the TV show doesn’t always work for the pop charts. My thing is they’ve known that forever, but they refuse to learn the lesson.

    His reply:
    DAVID BENDETH
    the record is not even mastered, the record is still being mixed. The cake is still in the oven. Don’t believe everything you hear.

    All I want is those background singers to go away. Other than that I still want to hear her album, just like meyers77!

    Duuuude, that’s what I was talkin about. A little flexibility in approaching each artist might not be a bad thing, Sony dinosaurs.

    **High fives sunchick** :D

  142. Or, maybe Idol should do better casting and only put to the live shows contestants that are either pop or belong to one of the big non-pop niches

    .

    And then the show would be boring, and we’d complain that all the contestants sounded the same. If they cast for a recording career everyone would be thin, conventionally attractive and sound like someone else already making money.

    What works for the TV show doesn’t always work for the pop charts. My thing is they’ve known that forever, but they refuse to learn the lesson.

    Or, maybe they should just promise the winner of the show a certain sum of money and not a recording contract. Then 19 and the label would be free to pick whoever they wanted to sign.

  143. All I can add is “Hold on” sounds better when Crystal sings it than then when I heard Kara sing it. Other than that, I could see “Farmers Daughter” playing on a country station, maybe?

  144. Or, maybe they should just promise the winner of the show a certain sum of money and not a recording contract. Then 19 and the label would be free to pick whoever they wanted to sign.

    I could see something like that making sense. Like, enough money that they could self release if they wanted, maybe help them get distribution or something. But 19/Universal only signing who they think can make a major label type profit.

  145. Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry have all proven themselves to be popular artists, though not necessarily pop singers. They have made the respective labels money, they are in the media, they tour well, and they are played (quite convincingly) on the radio.

    If they’re not pop singers, I don’t know what the definition would be.

  146. I have been listening to the, “Lengthy Snips,” all morning trying to appreciate them. Finally, I think I can put into words to describe my feelings. Listening to those 2 snips was like, “Watching your beloved dog run out into the street and get run over by a truck!” Jive, you just crushed the life right out of Bowersox!

  147. And how do we know that they aren’t guaranteed a contract. In 9 seasons all of the runners-up have received a contract…though some are very short-lived. I would say that 9 out of 9 is a good precedent for my theory.

    Runner up is not guaranteed a contract. Allison’s AI contract was filed in California because she was a minor and it required court approval. Only the winner was guaranteed a Sony/19R contract and that was under the same Sony-19R contract as is in effect for Crystal and Lee. But Sony has shown that they will sign everyone who they think has a chance of making them money. And Crystal certainly has the potential to make them money.

    All we know for sure about what will be spent on Crystal’s album is she was guaranteed a $300,000 minimum advance for her first album. Clearly Jive is planning on marketing the album with a Pop/HAC radio friendly single. Why else would they have Crystal record “Hold On”? And they will put out a video because it is essential to marketing an artist and a single.

    So if they spent $400K on the album (really a low budget for an Idol alum debut), do one inexpensive video, provide Crystal with some money to support her band and promo tour/events, and promote one single to radio, they are easily at $1.5 million. And that is not accounting for the Jive team, A&R, overhead, accounting, initial expenses for CD production and distribution, retail fees, other promotion, etc. etc. It all adds up.

    So far, the music is not what I hoped for but pretty much what I was afraid Jive would do with Crystal. I hope to be pleasantly surprised by some of the other tracks but will remain skeptical.

    The good news for me is that Crystal will preform these songs live and there will be HD Videos of those performances. So, if needed, I will just collect my “own album” Crystal’s music — as I have done for other Idols I like.

  148. “Please, for the love of God, let this mean that it will suck less.”–negativo

    LOL.. i feel your pain. it’s tough, but i’m sure Crystal will be more acoustic on tour.

    I don’t understand the reasoning behind musical production when it zaps out everything that is interesting in a performer. They should save all that overproduction for Taylor Swift and Kanye West who actually need it to sell a song.

  149. They should save all that overproduction for Taylor Swift and Kanye West who actually need it to sell a song.

    Bing-fucking-go.

  150. @DAVIDBENDETH “the record is not even mastered, the record is still being mixed. The cake is still in the oven. Don’t believe everything you hear.” :-) about 3 hours ago via web

  151. He needs to take the cake out of the oven. Throw it away and start over with less ingredients

  152. I think it sounds good and to me it sounds like Hold on is a very good choice for her first single.

  153. This should have been recorded as a live acoustic album with Crystal, Frankie and MAYBE a drummer.

    That’s it.

    Had they gone that route the album would have become a timeless classic. Instead, it’s just another overproduced, sound-alike formula mix that squelched every last drop of Crystal’s originality and authenticity.

    No, I’m still not over it.

  154. After a few more listens, I sticking to my first impression. HO will make a better single. I actually like the produced version of FD more than the acoustic. Don’t think it needs any more tweaking. I just hope fans will like the final changes made to FD if any.
    If there is any song that needs tweaking is HO. The chorus is way overproduced. Can’t hear Crystal clearly there.

  155. Meh…

    Hold On really didn’t sound too bad – it’s definitely nothing earth shattering but it’s about what I expected. Maybe it’s overproduced to an extent but I honestly don’t find it to be that disagreeable.

    Then there’s Farmer’s Daughter. The first time I heard that song in late March, I cried, and I mean I cried, unabashed man sobbing sort of stuff. I cried when I heard it again the next 10 or so times, and even now I still get a tear in my eye listening to the acoustic version once in a while. Well, I got a tear in my eye listening to this version too, but for a different reason.

    They. fucking. killed. it.

    I mean it’s like they tried to make it happy sounding. I don’t think it really has anything to do with the production – it has everything to do with the additional instrumentation and background vocals and everything else (unless they pull the sliders on the mixing board for background vocals and about 3-4 other instruments all the way down…so I guess that would be production). I guess the one positive I can see is that some people here who haven’t heard the original liked it, but then I noticed how many of them were saying they think the acoustic is even better. There’s just such a disconnect between the lyrics and the almost happy sounding instrumentation. I didn’t see any reason why they couldn’t record a studio version of that song (or most of her songs) and still maintain the intensity of the original. Hell, it should be EASIER to make a song more intense in the studio. Maybe this was done like this because, as the album’s title track, they’re thinking at some point it’ll be a single as well so they think they NEED that sort of production and sound. If this is how the whole album sounds…well again. Meh…

  156. I kinda liked Farmer’s Daughter, although I agree the acoustic version sounds better.

    Didn’t really listen to Hold On.

  157. What’s most criminal and vile about the studio production and arrangement crimes is that they did it to her most intimate, personally revealing song. It’s like they shit on her life just because they could.

    I’m guessing they already have a music video in the can featuring a group line dance, replete with scantily clad, fake breasted bimbos and topless, oiled-up gay men.

    Congrats, Jive. You managed to make a mockery of a woman’s real-life story of child abuse and alcoholism.

    I think I may be sick…

  158. I don’t get the love for Farmer’s Daughter. Is it really that much better acoustic? Definitely sounds more authentically Crystal though.

    Hold On is pretty generic. Bummer. Hope the rest is better when completed.

  159. I think its the guitar strumming the same chord over and over again in the acoustic FD that I don’t like. I’m not huge lyrics person so am not too bothered with that.

  160. I don’t get the love for Farmer’s Daughter. Is it really that much better acoustic? Definitely sounds more authentically Crystal though.

    Like I said earlier, this version of it almost makes it sound happy. The acoustic version is most definitely not happy. I really can’t explain it otherwise because like a few others here it almost physically makes me sick hearing what the song was turned into. I didn’t expect it was going to stay exactly how the demo was but compared to the acoustic, this just isn’t even close. I don’t know what else to say.

  161. What’s most criminal and vile about the studio production and arrangement crimes is that they did it to her most intimate, personally revealing song. It’s like they shit on her life just because they could.

    At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if they auto-tuned Riding With the Radio and dyed the grey haired rock stars’ hair.

  162. I have not heard the acoustic FD but I had read the lyrics previously and the vibe of this version did surprise me. It is tough rerecording older material that fans have fallen in love with, I’ve had that experience with other atritsts a time or two and there is always something a little bit magical about the raw state of the earlier work. I’m still sure that there will be a lot to like on this album for Crystal’s fans. The production may take a little getting used to but it is an evolution of sorts.

  163. Another Idol album, another “They’ve killed Kenny! The Bastards!” set of comments. Heh. I’m a fan of Crystal’s and I don’t think it sounds so horrific. I think the mixing is off. And you know, it’s her music, and we all know if she wasn’t behind FD – she’s be twittering her displeasure. So, clearly she does.

    As an example of horrific, I remember hearing Bo’s first album off Hit Predictor. Whatever the songs sounded like on his album – and let’s face it, it wasn’t good – on Hit Predictor they sounded like someone’s 15 year olds fooling around on a mix board. It was AWFUL.

    I think Crystal can carry this album, and I’m not saying it sucks until I’ve actually heard it and it does. This does not suck, it just evokes something different, IMO.

    ETA – I think “Lonely” has something. Again, the mix is off – but the hook is pretty good.

  164. Sorry, this is way too frantic for me. And I’m not a big fan of whistling in songs (that bothered me in the Jason Castro single he released earlier this year). And that vocal it doesn’t even sound like Crystal to me

  165. Whistling? I liked it until the whistling and the ‘oh ohs’ started. Kinda like I feel about ‘yeah yeahs’ and ‘nah nahs’

  166. I actually think Lonely would make a better 1st single.

    I agree. The song is superior in every way to “Hold On”, and it’s radio friendly.

  167. DAVIDBENDETH DAVID BENDETH
    I mixed Farmer”s daughter tonight. Thanks to all for enduring the rough mix, You really thought I would put all that shit in there? cmon…I mean the mix on the web is unfinished. Always was until today. It was rushed out there. Don’t shoot the messenger. Now it’s great.
    Have some faith people please. We are dedicated, passionate, and committed to excellence always.

  168. Lonely is by FAR the best sounding of the 3 songs but I hope there’s a good reason for the Oh Ay Ohs. I’m down with the whistling but the Oh Ay Ohs sound too happy for the lyrics. Still based on the clip that’s the one that should’ve been the lead single. It sounds interesting and not bland (Hold On) or blanded down (FD).

  169. Lonely is a fantastic song. There’s something about the structure that doesn’t seem quite normal for radio, but it’s got some great bits in it. I’ll admit, I didn’t think Crystal’s music would be all that commercial, but I think I may have been wrong…

  170. Minus the whistlling I like Lonely

    DAVIDBENDETH DAVID BENDETH
    I mixed Farmer’’s daughter tonight. Thanks to all for enduring the rough mix, You really thought I would put all that shit in there?

    Who put all that “shit” in there the first place? The mixing fairy?

  171. I liked Lonely until the Ho Hey Ho – Ho Hey Ho part ‘came around’. Very poppish, not for me.

  172. Crystal corrected me on twitter. The name of the song is “Lonely Won’t Come Around” and it’s a co-write with David Ryan Harris.

  173. Who put all that “shit” in there the first place? The mixing fairy?

    Sometimes on hitpredictor after the song streams there will be other versions that come up after it and asks you to select the best hook of there three. I didn’t see that with Crystal’s songs but sometimes it happens.

  174. Who put all that “shit” in there the first place? The mixing fairy?

    LOL, that’s what I thought. Why would he put all that “shit” to begin with on the track. He probably got a lot of complaints so he’s trying to save face.

    Otherwise, I like Lonely better than the other two songs.

  175. Crystal corrected me on twitter. The name of the song is “Lonely Won’t Come Around” and it’s a co-write with David Ryan Harris.

    Wait so Crystal reads this blog? …… Hi Crystal

  176. I have been waiting so long for this CD and now hearing Farmers Daughter for the first time, I am so bummed that they made it so commercial sounding and even country-ish. She is such a loving and giving soul and a hard working woman and I truly pray that CD#2 will be just like she wants it and exactly the way she has played the songs acoustically for us for years and just recently on all of her youtubes @ Power to the Peaceful, the SF Fillmore, Hard Rock with Melissa…that’s our true Crystal…and we want her back.
    I’ll buy it because it’s…”AllForTheLove”…

  177. Lonely Won’t Come Around sounds like it has some Michael Franti influences in it. Wasn’t he one of the writers Crystal was going to work with? It definitely is a better song than Hold On, but not as radio friendly. Could make a good second single.

  178. negativo:
    11/08/2010 at 9:21 pm…
    No, I’m still not over it.

    I don’t blame you. You are twice the fan I am and I can’t stand what this producer is doing. Why don’t they just let her sing! Again, with Lonely Won’t Come Around, way too much instrumentation.

    girlygirl:
    11/08/2010 at 11:29 pm
    Sorry, this is way too frantic for me.

    Frantic is exactly the word I used when I was listening to this. Ugh.

    Well after listening to all three I think they made the right decision with Hold On. I’m not a fan of the production, but let’s say, it’s the lesser of three evils.

  179. Lonely Won’t Come Around sounds like it has some Michael Franti influences in it. Wasn’t he one of the writers Crystal was going to work with.

    It was Co-writen by David Ryan Harris. But yeah I did hear a bit of Michael Franti in it as well. I think it would be a good spring/summer tune. I am liking it more as i listen to it more.

  180. I’m just all sorts of confused that they’d be putting out clips if they’re unfinished. If they’re still working on mixes that’s no big deal but when things start popping up, at least to me, it seems like they’re pretty final. If there are still changes to come then we’ll see how they end up.

    I am so bummed that they made it so commercial sounding and even country-ish

    Honestly it’s not that hints of country bother me – they don’t at all. I actually thought since earlier on in AI that Crystal could (and maybe should, considering some of her material and the autobiographical nature) go country. Even being commercial to an extent is no big deal – if it’s something that sounds like it could be on the radio, fine, as long as it’s good. The difficulty that some of us have I guess is that the production just didn’t seem to fit at all with either Crystal’s style or the song itself.

  181. @DAVIDBENDETH: Please do not judge rough mixes streaming on the web. It does not get any worse. Everyone knows that!

    Thanks for the clarification :). So they must have put the rough mix since everything was rushed (Jive can u cut some slacks on the dates please). Also its a good way to protect the original recording when it comes out since people who only downloaded has only a rough demo of it.

    Why would he put all that “shit” to begin with on the track. He probably got a lot of complaints so he’s trying to save face.

    I think he has explained it above why it happened. I dont think he has a need to “save face” really.

  182. DAVIDBENDETH DAVID BENDETH
    I mixed Farmer’’s daughter tonight. Thanks to all for enduring the rough mix, You really thought I would put all that shit in there? cmon…I mean the mix on the web is unfinished. Always was until today. It was rushed out there. Don’t shoot the messenger. Now it’s great.
    Have some faith people please. We are dedicated, passionate, and committed to excellence always.

    I have listened to some Bendeth-produced albums before(Breaking Benjamin, Vertical Horizon), and they sound great and aren’t as cluttered-sounding as the ones we’re hearing now. So maybe there will be some significant tweaks, which makes me wonder why the mixing still isn’t complete at this late in the process. But what do I know, just trying to be hopeful haha.

  183. Lonely Won’t Come Around sounds pretty good really. I expected there to be a couple of more upbeat, fun tracks on the album – with Crystal’s originals being what they are, there would almost need to be a few more songs to lighten the mood a bit.

    I guess if we’re taking what we’re hearing as “not quite finished” then it’s not quite so bad. So we’ll see how it ends up.

  184. I think he has explained it above why it happened. I dont think he has a need to “save face” really.

    I have to say, I read that tweet from him and thought “you know, there’s the guy with the toughest job of all.” I’m sure Crystal would say one thing, Jive probably would have a pretty strong opinion too, and he himself certainly has ideas, experience and knowledge in producing since that’s what he does. And on top of it all, these clips go out and people lose.their.shit. Now some people make him out to be the villian.

  185. Listening in loop to Lonely Won’t Come Around.

    Wow, this is really nice. Its so easy on the ear :) I think this is more or less what a David Bendeth finished track would sound like, not overproduced and just the required amount of instrumentation in it. There is huge difference between recording/mixing this and HO and FD. Really love the clappy snare drumming on it and Crystal 3/4 falsetto singing is really wonderful. I dont think I’ve heard that tone in her yet, what a nice little surprise :)

  186. Uggghhh…that “Lonely” song is a fucking hot mess of off-tempo studio garble. Please, whoever is the douche that’s leaking this crap…STOP ALREADY!!

  187. Just did a quick check on BMI where songs are registered. They have “Lonely Won’t Come Around” registered as a David Ryan Harris/Ali Tamposi cowrite.

    It doesn’t rule out the possibility that Crystal may have re-arranged the song with David and they will be re-registering it.

  188. The third clip has a much better sound that the other two, so it’s kind of unfair to compare, the good thing is that her voice is much more recognazible and the song is interesting, OTOH, as a lot of people mentioned the whistling and other vocal effects are not everyone’s cup of tea and it sounds more like a track to hear during the spring/summer.

  189. GregSmithBass: @crystalbowersox Crystal, love the cover! It was an honor to play on it! Can’t wait to hear it and see ya Wed!

    Greg Smith is the bassist (or one of the bassists) for the record. So now its Greg Smith, Jeff Kazee, Tommy and John Widgren as the musicians for the album. I am lovin’ that Crystal got hold of experienced and good musicians on the album. Also love the fact the they are genuinely happy playing on her record :)

  190. Crystal 3/4 falsetto singing is really wonderful. I dont think I’ve heard that tone in her yet, what a nice little surprise

    She actually used her falsetto several times on the show as well – No One Needs to Know and Midnight Train to Georgia as I remember, there were probably a couple other times too.

  191. I’ve listened to these songs several times now. At first I was disappointed but now I find myself humming HO! FD has lost the emotion tied to Crystal’s life but the story is still just so powerful. Lonely surprised me but I liked it even with the ho ha and what nots.
    David Bendeth strikes me as a pro who wants the very best result regardless and Crystal seems very happy with his work.

    I’m excited for the CD again. Still trying to figure how two new looking toys fit on the cover. I’m sure there’s a story there.

  192. She actually used her falsetto several times on the show as well – No One Needs to Know and Midnight Train to Georgia as I remember, there were probably a couple other times too.

    Thats why I said 3/4 falsetto ;-). The Midnight Train to Georgia falsetto exquisite, brought shivers…

  193. why are thy putting rough mixes online for the public to hear? that’s not very common. and david bendeth DID put all that “shit “in the rough mix, so for him to claim otherwise is a little hypocritical.

  194. David Bendeth strikes me as a pro who wants the very best result regardless. Crystal seems very happy with his work.

    Here is an exerpt from an inteview:

    Bendeth says that he’s being very cautious with his success so far, and because of that he’s been very tentative in picking up his next project.

    “For the first time in my career, over the past six months I am really paying attention to what I do next. If I make a record that is really successful, and then I go to work with the band again and the [next] album is not as good, then basically I am the guy that broke the band,” says Bendeth. “You get a reputation…so you have to be careful. I have always been really picky, but now even more, which is why I am probably not working as much as other people.”

    He’s a pro and he knows what hes talking about. Read the entire article, its an interesting read. I like that Crystal got a producer who prefers quality over quantity.

  195. What have they done to crystal…Whistling? David please remix Lonely won’t come around…then again with otoh its hopeless.

    these sappy songs are not Crystal…

  196. Whistling? David please remix Lonely won’t come around…then again with otoh its hopeless.

    I like the ohwayohs in the song, its happy go-round song it fits in it. Actually, whistling over ohwayohs is one of the best parts in the song really, I cant wait to hear the full version. Anybody find the lyrics to the song yet?

  197. I liked LWCA until the oh ya oh part. For that HO would be a beter single.

  198. They sterilized Crystal’s heartfelt, powerful, melodic songs.
    Thank you God for LIVE performances, I know will not sound like this.

  199. LWCA is pop crap. They ruined FD with their beloved and unneeded additions and Kara and Chad Kroeger wrote Hold On–need I say more?

  200. “these sappy songs are not Crystal…”

    The whistling I could see her doing. The otoh’s not so much. She has said she likes to think she can sing many styles. Maybe she has a little repressed sappiness that needs to be expressed! I think it’s a nice change of pace IMO.

    “Thank you God for LIVE performances”
    This is the rub isn’t it. Nothing like watching Crystal either live or on a video. Maybe someday….

  201. She’s not Springsteen or Dylan. When did Crystal become such a sacred cow? No album was ever sold on rough mixes. I’d rather hear the whole thing then jump to any conclusions.

    That said, I have yet to not be disappointed by a first album by an Idol. It’s very tough to get out quality material so quickly. I thought Fever off of Adam’s album was a brilliant track [and so was Time for Miracles if you have a cheese craving], but the rest was meh-tastic. So I’ve learned to live by downloads. We’ll see.

    I like Holy Toledo far better than Farmer’s Daughter, and I’m eagerly awaiting that cut.

  202. Boy Howdy, she’s not Springsteen or Dylan. When did Crystal become such a sacred cow? No album was ever sold on rough mixes. I’d rather hear the whole thing then jump to any conclusions.

    She became a sacred cow for me on March 3rd when she sang As Long As I can See the Light on Idol. Her originals are something special. Of course she isn’t Dylan. Dylan is Dylan. Crystal is something new. Too bad Jive doesn’t get that.

  203. The whistling I could see her doing. The otoh’s not so much. She has said she likes to think she can sing many styles. Maybe she has a little repressed sappiness that needs to be expressed! I think it’s a nice change of pace IMO.

    The whistling didn’t really bug me at all. I actually think the song fits her fine. She did write songs like Put Your Guitar Down and Grey Haired Rockstars – she’s got originals that are basically just fun. To an extent I think it’ll depend too on where it falls on the album – it has the sort of sound to me that just seems like what you find in like the 3rd to last or 2nd to last song on an album…the last upbeat song on the album before it ends on a more restrained, serious note.

    I’ve listened to the clips again now through earbuds rather than laptop speakers – truthfully my best sound system I own is in my car but this gives me some sort of idea. I think I have to admit to basically just having been shell shocked even though I should have known what was coming (and I’ve even talked about how she might end up sounding on her album) – as others have pointed out, it’s just really weird to hear a song like FD that some of us have heard over and over acoustically, now with full instrumentation. (Holy Toledo live on the tour sounded…weird, because I’d heard the original acoustic so many times, including live a couple times itself.) I also have to be honest too, when listening where I can hear better, I might have almost wondered if these were actually the final mixes based on what I hear. There’s parts in all the songs that just plain don’t sound right – they’re either way too buried to have been that way intentionally or just way too loud for too long (piano especially in some places) to sound right. I never actually got into producing but I did do a little tiny bit with recording technology (especially in terms of creating electronic music) and I can almost guess what we’re hearing – all the tracks are there but the balance is virtually untouched and in some cases, parts will just totally be taken out of the mix. They probably got all the tracks down for each song, then picked what was actually going to be on the album, and NOW he’s actually doing the mixing – probably no sense in mixing every song when I’ll bet that for the 12 that are on the album, there’s probably another half dozen or so at least that aren’t.

    I’m not saying I’m comfortable with the sound as it is, but the fact of the matter is we can’t really say much based on these clips, other than that’s Crystal singing. I’m sorta surprised they sent them out anywhere – they must have really been cutting it close to get this all done for these clips to be making it out to anyone. Maybe also…they’re going for some reactions from people other than Crystal’s core fanbase comparing HO to FD…and then they decided to throw one other oddball track out there too just to see how it’s received. Truthfully, I think HO sounds like a potential radio hit. Be honest – tell me after hearing it a couple times you don’t have that chorus kinda stuck in your head?

  204. I think you’re right, Mozart. I think Crystal’s hard core base might reject the song, but as hacky as it is [and Karla is the hackiest of hacks] – it’s catchy. It’s got a hook. I remember thinking that Jesus Take the Wheel was the worst song I’d ever heard, with lyrics that made me cringe, but damn if it wasn’t catchy. I found myself singing it in the shower one day, and when I came out, my hubby said, “we’re still Jewish, right?” LOL

    I’ve always seen Crystal as having Kelly potential. She’s got something strong about her, and it’s going to be there no matter what she sings. It’s not like Breakaway is genius or anything, and that was the single that made Kelly.

  205. Farmer’s Daughter – the acoustic version has a sort of rocking rhythm,- a wooden rocking horse back and forth, back and forth, a rocking chair. it holds one in place with its rhythm…

    with the guitar, the bass and the voice, locked into that rhythm, there is no place to go – the listener can’t escape into little ornamentations or excursions by other instruments or voices. so, the strength of the lyrics and melody are not diluted, not bleached out, not popularized, nor made more palatable.

    the listener has no place to go – the listener has to listen, become involved.

    with the version here, these are obviously good musicians playing with crystal. however the arrangement doesn’t work, it simply doesn’t work. it’s somewhat generic and has lost the soul of the song. the only recognizable, exciting thing is crystal’s voice. a unsubtle drum track undoes the compelling rhythm of the acoustic original, the melody gets lost in the extra hoo haa, the listener has all sorts of places to escape from the confrontation with the story in the lyrics, and the melodic bass line that underpins the song isn’t there.

    sometines, david bendeth, less is more

  206. with the version here, these are obviously good musicians playing with crystal. however the arrangement doesn’t work, it simply doesn’t work. it’s somewhat generic and has lost the soul of the song. the only recognizable, exciting thing is crystal’s voice. a unsubtle drum track undoes the compelling rhythm of the acoustic original, the melody gets lost in the extra hoo haa, the listener has all sorts of places to escape from the confrontation with the story in the lyrics, and the melodic bass line that underpins the song isn’t there.

    My thought here, and by no means do I have any sort of advance knowledge…the final mix may actually open it up and bring the listener in closer to the lyrics. The chorus is probably pretty close to how it’ll be in the end, but my guess is the verses will be where the changes will be more noticeable. There’s several different percussion lines in there, not just the drumset, plus organ from the sounds of it, bass, backing vocals…truthfully, half of those things may get totally pulled out of the final mix. Something that most people do when mixing a song is take everything that they’re going to use in the song and put it all into the file, with the levels all more or less matched (so everything is equally loud), and THEN they actually go through and cut things out, rather than adding them. Sorta like a painter having all of their brushes and paints there in front of them with the canvas waiting – in a sense we may be looking at the brushes, paints, and canvas, and the artist drew a sketch of what their final painting will look like, but we can’t tell if they’re going to use every paint and brush they have on every detail, or if some will be a lot more subtle.

    My guess is that producers work differently today than they did many years ago now that the average laptop computer has enough power to handle dozens of tracks at once in the mixing of a song. You can just dump all the tracks into whatever program you’re using and then basically point and click to make adjustments and then BAM, things just totally disappear from the mix. Panning effects and reverb and all sorts of things can be automated with mouse clicks as well. He could truthfully take what we hear here and make it sound like a different song in an hour’s time if he wanted to make that much in the way of changes. 90% of the piano part could be gone in the final mix for example – just because we hear it through most of the clip here doesn’t mean we’ll hear it at all in the final one.

    The one thing I’d say that will stick around are the drums. I wish to a point that people didn’t have such an addiction to drums…songs without them can be truly powerful just because people expect them and they’re NOT there. Imagine Jewel’s Foolish Games. Now…try to imagine it with drums. For that matter, look at Through Glass by Stone Sour. Almost half that song stands without drums…and if you listen to the lyrics, they’re pretty damned simple. (I think that song was made by the fact that it builds in layers for almost half of it. It’s musically and lyrically, dead silly simple. Yet it was a rock radio hit for a heck of a long time.) You’re right, sometimes less is more…but sometimes I think it matters too what it is you leave out. Using full instrumentation minus one instrument can make a huge difference if it’s done right…sometimes a bigger difference than it being a totally a capella performance. Maybe Bendeth has some big tricks up his sleeve – a click or two of a mouse button and he could totally change the feel of the song. Just cause the tracks are there doesn’t mean he’ll use them all.

  207. I think you’re right, Mozart. I think Crystal’s hard core base might reject the song, but as hacky as it is [and Karla is the hackiest of hacks] – it’s catchy. It’s got a hook. I remember thinking that Jesus Take the Wheel was the worst song I’d ever heard, with lyrics that made me cringe, but damn if it wasn’t catchy. I found myself singing it in the shower one day, and when I came out, my hubby said, “we’re still Jewish, right?” LOL

    I’ve always seen Crystal as having Kelly potential. She’s got something strong about her, and it’s going to be there no matter what she sings. It’s not like Breakaway is genius or anything, and that was the single that made Kelly.

    I’d consider myself as hard core as you could be in terms of being part of her fanbase (not really true because I’m not a member of any official fansite or anything but still). I don’t reject it. I won’t lie, I don’t think it’s anywhere near the “level” of song that Crystal actually deserves but then again, I hear something there. (I think it’s in the meter of the song…it’s either 3/4 or 6/8 depending on how you look at it, and the ascending bass line leading into the chorus. Like them or hate them, and I know a lot hate them…Kara and Chad Kroeger know how to write a song that millions will like.) When I try to distance myself from everything, I hear the sort of song that when it’s finally polished and released…well, it could be all over. All over – as in radio, TV, you name it. Sounds like something you’d hear as a theme song for a television show, something that high school kids would try to fit in as a graduation song (“hold on to the memories,” come on, that’s just asking for it). Commercial as hell, and yet…maybe it’ll be a jumpstart for her. And I think that since she has the same producer for the whole album, there will be enough common thread between that song and whatever else there is on the album so that she at least has a shot at getting some of her own original work to piggyback off of that song. I could be wrong, it may flop…but it just has a sound that I have a feeling about.

  208. Okay, I have got to go on record and say, LWCA is cool! At least from this snippet. Love it! HO I would hope would do okay… New FD, with the heavy lyrics would not do so well on radio, imho at least on HAC let alone pop. LWCA is it! I am a Crystal fan. I want what’s best for her (even though I don’t know what is) and want to see her in the business for a long time. I’m going to support my artist, as Bendeth said. Go Crystal! I could go on and on about how she doesn’t have much to work with coming from AI, etc., etc. But to me this gal has got something worth hangin’ in there for. (I feel the same about a couple other artists from AI too, so some may not consider me a purist as far as a fan goes, but I do.;)).

  209. Yeah she´s definitely not my cup of tea based on these 3 songs

  210. jennyl:
    11/09/2010 at 1:40 am
    I liked LWCA until the oh ya oh part. For that HO would be a beter single.

    ITA. Probably won’t buy the CD (probably still not my cuppa), but I also won’t switch the station when I hear her on the radio. Her CD definitely has a different spin and better than what I was expecting.

  211. I’ve always seen Crystal as having Kelly potential. She’s got something strong about her, and it’s going to be there no matter what she sings. It’s not like Breakaway is genius or anything, and that was the single that made Kelly.

    I agree she definitely has the talent , but in the world of pop music I don’t think we’ll ever see the same level of success. Popular flavors need to change first for this to happen.

  212. I think it’s in the meter of the song…it’s either 3/4 or 6/8

    The waltzy feel is enjoyable and I like the way Crystal sings it.
    I know Crystal didn’t want to sing a song written by others, but despite the cowriters (lol at Kara and Kroeger, even though they are successful songwriters) it is actually rhythmically catchy.

    I do feel I need to wait for the final mix for Farmers Daughter because the vocals were being overpowered, but the lines I did pick up on gave me chills. And I am someone who mostly avoided listening to the early works of Crystal and Lee.

    I think her album release will be interesting and fun and I can’t wait to hear her interviews where she discusses the album process.

    And for fans who think the mix isn’t to their liking, think of it as having an alternate version of a favorite song. (I remember Michelle Branch had two versions of “If Only She Knew” and I loved them both.)

  213. IMO, LWCA would do much better than HO in the UK and Europe. It sound much cleaner than HO and FD, not smeared. This makes me optimistic that HO and FD will sound much better than the clips indicate, with each instrument and vocals having some separation and space from each other and adding instead of taking away from each other.

  214. Where is Crystal Bowersox? Alien abduction? Did you fall through a wormhole and into a parallel universe? This is Rape in the first degree! Jive just crushes the life out of Crystal Bowersox. Crystal took her fight out into the street and in appears she lost the battle. “People Get Ready” there’s a train wreck ah comin!

  215. I am a hugh fan of Crystal’s original work. But, I am also aware that I cannot remember the last time I heard a new female rock singer belt out a tune on my favorite Charlotte based radio station 106.5 The Edge (main audience 29-46 year old males). CB is an unusual and great talent in this era where female rockers, be they soft and folksy or true capable harder rockers, are very hard to find (CB can be both). She was so outstanding on AI, but a certain percentage of the population (one that buys many recordings) would not vote for her despite overwhelming talent. That is the reality and difficulty in the marketing.

    Again, I love all of the original CB tunes and listen to them hours per day. I like HO and think the song has good commercial opportunity. I do agree with earlier comments that the voice needs to be louder and clearer in the mix. I also think that an acoustic beginning with great vocals could be a good opening to this song. Every CB song should contain a “defining Mamasox moment” as she did in the shows and there are plenty of chances to do so in this song. She can Crystalize this song very well. My wife and daughter are not big CB fans and they both love this song. Mission accomplished.

    Comments regarding FD are correct. Rawness removed. Tested this song on my wife and daughter and they turned it off at the 48 second mark where the loud clin-clan instrument that was old country came in. Way over the top and not sure if Jive or Crystal idea, but neither fan groups will like. Otherwise, FD is very good without this sound.

    Third song is great and is a Crystal sounding spin on Franti. I love it.

  216. More on FD = When I tested this on my wife and daughter, who are not CB fans like myself, they were really turned off at the .48 second mark where the clin-clan sound came in as they heard this as symbolic of Porter Wagoner country. My daughter actually likes some progressive country and my wife likes no country. I like rock, folk, blus, and country in that order and have appreciation for them all. The drums and piano are fine with me and the backup vocals can stay or go as far as I am concerned (up to Crystal), but the clin-clan may need to go as it is not needed to break a song into todays country (i.e. Eagles, Neil Young, Taylor Swift, etc.) umbrella. Her Youtube version to me is better, but this is not bad with drums and piano.

    Why can Jive not release a 2 disk set as the Red Hot Chili Peppers did on their last very successful recording? Another act and album I really enjoy. CB has plenty of work out there and the recordings are already pretty good and would replace many of us having to stream her original music. The left sleeve could be more radio friendly version (I hardly listen to radio anymore over Pandora or straight internet in my car or home) and the right CB- Farmers Daughter “FD – Raw,” “FD – Unplugged,” or “FD – Straight from the Heart.” I would not replicate more than a song or two at most. FD could be on both and leave the RAW version straight. Then Jive could sell the 12-14 track CD of FD or the 2 disc set for a couple of more dollars. The set containing both should have the Mature Audience logo on it as the songs will be straight up (that will actually make it more hip than less and nail her base).

    Under this scenario I could play the “G” version while “riding with my radio” with my daughter and wife, but when I am by myself and with my buddies stick in the “RAW” version as oppossed to streaming (which I will still have to do if Jive does not do the 2 CD set).

  217. Sorry Crystal – your music isn’t for me but I still think you’re cool.

    Oh well, two good albums from S9 would have been too much to hope for.

  218. At first I didn’t like Hold On, it sure doesn’t sound like Crystal but the more I listen to it the more I love it!

  219. My opinion on the three songs (for what it’s worth – LOL): Crystal breathed life into Hold On. I did not like the demo we heard with Kara singing it. I like Crystal’s version much better. My favorite of the three songs here is Farmer’s Daughter. It’s all Crystal and it’s got an emotional message to the song. I do not like Lonely. I see it’s a co-write and not all Crystal for the writing of the song. Too many repeats in the song for my taste (why I’m not a huge pop music fan). I’m looking forward to hearing more of her music and listening to the ones she wrote herself.

  220. Did the fans really think they were going to get an acoustic album from an American Idol winner? Did the fans really think the record company was not going to try to cash in at top 40 radio on a high profile TV artist? WOW
    She wrote most of this record, she must think its great, why wouldn’t she? A lot of people here are being really hard on her for doing what she wanted to do. I am sure down the line an acoustic performance CD will happen, and I am sure tons and tons of TV and live shows to hear all the songs stripped down and raw. We all know you cannot sell 25000 records to hardcore fans and then expect success.

    This is a major label release and it seems we have a bad case of demoitus here. That is the part where you listen to something and cannot hear it any other way. I think some of these songs are pretty over produced myself, but I am sure Crystal thinks they are great, otherwise she would not seem so excited.
    What disappoints a lot of us here is all the negativity and the few that have no open mind to her wishes.It is after all her career. I am sure there will something for everyone on the record, and if not, we can always go back to the VH1 performance and listen to that, or some demo that she made on youtube.
    She has to have some commercial success, that is what she signed on for to begin with. It does not mean you have to like it, it does mean you have to support her, unless of course you are not a true fan.
    Some of these songs will grow on me, and some will fade, but that does not mean I think she is not a great writer or a singer. She is, and always will be. Why not just wait until the record comes out and then see if there is any substance? make sense? I hope so.

  221. What disappoints a lot of us here is all the negativity and the few that have no open mind to her wishes.It is after all her career.

    How true….it makes me want to go to a Lee thread and say bad things about him but I won’t….

  222. Has someone else done ‘Lonely Won’t Come Around’ before or parts of it in another song? Because before even hearing it, I knew the chorus.

    THey also seemed to borrow from Beyonce’s ‘Put a Ring on It’. Is it just me? (I haven’t read any comments yet.)

  223. I’ve come to the conclusion with Idol releases that you buy the album to show support and go to the concerts to hear the music the way it really should be played. I haven’t had the opportunity to hear any of Crystal’s songs as acoustics, but would certainly like to hear them, as I am sure these versions are wonderful.

  224. Popular flavors need to change first for this to happen.

    Amen. In general, good music and voices are not what’s in right now. Just look at some of the Grammy noms…it’s all about popularity and not quality now.

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