Kris Allen Signs with Jive Records: It’s Official!

The rumors had been swirling for weeks, but now it’s official! The press release has been issued! Kris Allen has signed with Jive Records!

NEW YORK, June 8 /PRNewswire/ — It was announced today that 19 Recordings has signed Kris Allen, and his recordings have been licensed to Jive Records.”

“As exciting as the last few months have been, I’m really looking forward to what is next, ” says Kris Allen. “I’m very grateful to be working with Simon Fuller and his team at 19 Entertainment, along with Barry Weiss and Jive Records on my debut album. Everyone’s been asking me what it’s going to sound like. It will be very similar to what you heard from me on the show — definitely in the pop/rock genre. I can’t wait to get started!”

Congratulations Kris! Jive Records is also the home to Season 6 Idol winner Jordin Sparks and Season 7 runner up, David Archuleta.

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Jive is also home to Pop/R&B acts like Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake and the Backstreet Boys.

No word yet on release dates, or who will be working with Kris on his upcoming record, although Arkansas native David Hodges, formerly of Evanescence, says he had a writing session with Kris on Friday.

Hodges has worked with other Idol contestants such as Kelly Clarkson, Daughtry, David Archuleta, and Blake Lewis. He’s also, famously the subject of Kelly’s song “Never Again”

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98 Comments

  1. Finally! Congratulations, Kris! Best of luck. Looking forward to hearing the music.

  2. also, Dave Hodges just Tweeted again that he IS working with Allen for the debut. I suppose that means a Kelly Clarkson duet is out of the question. LOL.

  3. wow, that is great for Kris. Can’t wait for his cd. Jive is really cool.

  4. It’s about freaking time. LOL.

    Congrats to Kris! I’ll be excited to hear the album in the fall. :)

  5. Congrats to Kris! It’s pretty funny because this year we pretty much know where they all signed before anything official came out. Wonder how long we’ll have to wait to hear about Adam being with RCA and Allison with Jive…

    But most of all, I wonder if we’ll get any shockers a-la KLC’s signing with Arista-Nashville last year.

  6. Well, there’s a thread for this already, and I posted a comment on another thread which should belong here. My bad.

    Two things: first, I’m eagerly awaiting for Kris’ album; and second, since I’m not an American, and I’m clueless about record labels, is signing up with Jive a good thing for Kris?

  7. they always announce the winner first, then wait a few days for the runner-up.
    there are rumors Megan is being signed. Lord.

  8. Dave Hodges just Tweeted again that he IS working with Allen

    Oh wow, I was kinda meh about Kris’s CD but that’s sparked my interest.

  9. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not an American, and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m clueless about record labels, is signing up with Jive a good thing for Kris?

    No. Not really. Being signed to 19 Recordings and licensed to the Sony BMG group is good for the American Idol winner. Which, of Sony BMG’s labels they choose doesn’t really make much difference. Sometimes fans think that having one of their favorites on a label makes it a “good” label as opposed to one that doesn’t have their favs, but that’s mostly in the imaginations of fans and not so much in the real world.

    The various labels of Sony BMG aren’t really separate independent record companies in any meaningful sense, with the exception of the Nashville divisions which, as always, have operated in Nashvillle in a parallel music industry.

  10. Wow, we have signings at last. I am really happy for Kris and hope that he does well, Jive seems like a great fit. Hopefully we will hear about Adam and Allison is the next few days.
    Not interested in Megan being signed…

  11. Hodges is apparently writing with Steve McEwan, who has written for James Blunt, James Morrison, Robbie Williams, and AI-alum David Archuleta.

  12. I would love and Archuleta/Allen duet sometime. Two smooth voices blending together like that would be awesome! Yay for Kris! :)

  13. there are rumors Megan is being signed. Lord.

    Well, she is a “package artist”, don’t you know? Although maybe more “package” and less “artist”. :rolleyes_wp:

    The one I wonder about is Danny. I could see it going either way with him, though I lean towards him being snubbed in the end. Can’t see thme giving Sony contracts to more than 4 people.

  14. Sometimes fans think that having one of their favorites on a label makes it a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“goodà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  label as opposed to one that doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have their favs, but thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s mostly in the imaginations of fans and not so much in the real world.

    They have different staffs, different focuses and different connections. IMO, it would be unrealistic to expect that they are all exactly the same. If they were all exactly the same, Sony would save money and just have one label. Some of that staff is better qualified to do certain things. It’s unrealistic IMO to expect that everybody would perform the job in exactly the same way (cloning has not yet been perfected). Labels also follow different strategies in how they operate.

    For the record, this is the first time Jive has signed one of my favourites, and I’ve thought it was a good label for years. I agree that most labels are good, but some seem to be a little better than others. Getting signed is the big thing.

    The various labels of Sony BMG arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really separate independent record companies in any meaningful sense, with the exception of the Nashville divisions which, as always, have operated in Nashvillle in a parallel music industry.

    Now that Barry has been promoted to Clive’s job, I don’t know if it is still the same, but the JLG/Zomba used to behave as an independent entity as well. Until there was an adjustment of the 19E/Sony(at the time Sony-BMG) contracts to allow Carrie to go to the country side, the RCAMG (including RCA, Arista, J Records) was the only part of the company that were permitted by the contract to sign Idols. It may be the long time for Jive to announce that they had signed Jordin was because there needed to be another adjustment in the contract.

  15. Thanks for the info. In my country, it doesn’t really matter which label signs an artist. As long as someone signs the singer, that’s always good news (ours is a small country). Then hope that radios play the artists’ songs, or that the local version of MTV plays the music videos. But I was not certain if that is the way it goes in America since I’ve read quite a number of posts regarding which is better between RCA and Jive.

    At least for me, I’m content whichever record label Kris signs up with, in this case, Jive. At the end of the day, it’s the music that counts.

  16. Jive is a good label. They tend to spend less money than RCA but are much more patient with their artists. They’re also usually good at getting Top 40 radio play. I’m underwhelmied with their Idol albums but maybe Kris can get a decent album from them.

    Jive has not dropped any Idol signed so far. So Kris doesn’t have to hit it out of the box to have a career. RCA is much quicker to dump their artists when the units don’t move fast enough.

  17. I’m glad it’s official and it’s Jive! Congrats Kris! Looking forward to buying more of his music.

  18. I just have to comment at Kris’ picture above (which I think is a publicity photo or something). It was way too airbrushed, heh. He has such a flawless skin that doesn’t need airbrushing, or at least, too much airbrushing. It kinda reminds of me of Kelly Clarkson’s album cover. But, undeniably, Kris is really gorgeous.

  19. They have different staffs, different focuses and different connections. IMO, it would be unrealistic to expect that they are all exactly the same. If they were all exactly the same, Sony would save money and just have one label. Some of that staff is better qualified to do certain things.

    Thank you for saying that. The two labels are not identical, even if they are under the same umbrella company.
    ————

    It is exciting to have some news about signing. Congratulations to Kris. I can’t wait to hear about Adam and Allison.

  20. Megan being signed? That would be a shocker and undeserving IMO, but maybe the country labels are desperate for something? Although beyond Allison, who is there really worthy to be signed?

    I’d rather see Felicia Barton, Ricky Braddy, Ju’Not Joyner or Mishavonna Henson signed…or even Leneshe Young or Deanna Brown (from Hollywood week) than Megan.

  21. To be honest, I had a revulsion to Megan by the end of the show, and still do. I liked her in the beginning, but her weirdness made me dislike her by the end. I see that she is quirky and different, but I don’t know that she is likable enough to sustain a career. Just my opinion though of course I’ve been wrong before.

  22. I recall an article from the NY Times on Barry Weiss and Jive/Zomba. It said it was the tightest group at Sony, worked at developing its artists (instead of demanding stratospheric success), and kept costs down, resulting in one of the only profitable arms at the label. The artists actually get a royalty check if on the Jive label. Weiss now heads the entire Sony Music brand, having finally pushed out Clive Davis last year.

  23. Something is wrong in the universe if Megan gets signed and women like Jesse Langseth and Felicia Barton don’t.

    Congrats to Kris! Hope this turns out to be everything he wants it to be.

  24. Finally an announcement! I’m glad he’s with Jive. It seems like the best fit to me.

    Megan being signed? That would be a shocker and undeserving IMO, but maybe the country labels are desperate for something? Although beyond Allison, who is there really worthy to be signed?

    I think Matt has a shot, and Danny might get picked up by a Christian label.

    Megan getting signed wouldn’t shock me. She has some vocal issues, but nothing a lot of coaching and a little autotune couldn’t fix. She’s pretty, she’s different, and she has a clear idea of who she is musically. Labels like that.

  25. Yay for Kris! I’m excited to have something official. I’m hoping his album is a good one. :-)

  26. So am I the only one who doesn’t know the “dirt” about Kelly Clarkson and David Hodges? My curiosity is piqued. Was it a professional or personal falling out? If anyone could fill me in it would be most appreciated.

  27. It’s great to finally have confirmation.

    Regarding what label is better… I think it depends on people’s expectations for the idols.
    if you want him to have top 40 hits regardless of what he sings and what he does with the album, Jive sounds good. But if you want him to have creative control I’m not sure Jive is the best one. Kris didn’t win AI just because of his voice… but because of what he did with the songs.
    As for Jive being patient, I’m not sure I’d call that to what they did with Archie. Second single flops, they don’t even care to release a third one and want second album ASAP. I guess they didn’t kick his ass out of there, which is good… if that’s what people mean by having patience, guess I agree. But as for the rest? I dunno, seems more robotic than artistic.
    Good luck to Kris. Ultimately, as long as the label supports him, I think it will be okay.

  28. Congrats to Kris! He’s a sweet and talented guy and I’m looking forward to hearing his new songs.

    I too wonder what the deal is with Danny. All the rumors that have been floating around about Kris, Adam and Allison for weeks now and then nothing with respect to him? Color me a bit surprised after all the hype. And, Megan? Yes, she is stunning to look at but after she thumbed her nose at the show with her antics and post-Idol comments, why aren’t they more than a little ticked with her? To me, she’s a loose cannon who has no serious ambitions and she is not someone I’d want to invest money in.

  29. Congrats to Kris!

    If Megan gets signed and Matt not, there’s something really wrong out there.
    I think Matt deserves a shot. He records so well, without nerves he is awesome and he is marketable in the Gavin de Graw/The Fray piano rock kind of thing.

    I hope someone is interested in him.

  30. Congrats to Kris. Can’t wait for that album. Looking forward to the news about Adam and Allison getting signed. If I had to pick just one more Idol to get a record deal, it would be Matt.

  31. David Hodges is a pretty good writer IMO. I don’t know that he’ll be the guy to push Kris to write the best songs but I believe he’ll be the guy who can help Kris if he needs to find a good radio-friendly hook.

    Congratulations to Kris and even though it’s standard issue for press releases, it’s nice reading Barry Weiss’s comments about Kris. There’s usually some signals in there based on the words chosen. I’m glad he mentioned Kris’s voice and him being an all-around musician and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he mentioned Kris’s broad appeal. IMO that’s a good statement of belief.

  32. It’ll be interesting to see if Jive takes Kris in a pop/r&b direction.

  33. Does anyone know how the labels decide who gets what idol? Does RCA have first dibs? What if multiple labels (Jive, RCA) both want a particular artist? Does the idol get to decide where they want to go? Thanks!

  34. Congrats to Kris! Is it weird that I’m just super happy that he’ll be working with Barry Weiss and not Clive Davis? haha..

  35. if you want him to have top 40 hits regardless of what he sings and what he does with the album, Jive sounds good. But if you want him to have creative control Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not sure Jive is the best one.

    Well to be fair, I don’t think creative control is in the cards for Idols anyway. The most they can hope for is a bunch of co-writes with 19R’s stable of songwriters and a few of the contestant’s genre’s proven hitmakers. And a producer well known in their genre.

    To be honest, I think that’s for the best. The odds are against anyone who has no major label recording experience, no matter how talented, writing a high quality commercial album in three months while on a grueling tour. They need experienced people who can work quickly to help them.

    I do agree that Jive tends towards the bland generic-but-catchy pop though. They rely on the singers to infuse the songs with personality. But I think Kris only has to worry about that if they are aiming him towards pure pop, which I don’t think is the case. The trouble is, I don’t think they have a lot of acts that do the acoustic soft pop/rock thing, so its hard to guess how Jive is going to handle him. I imagine Jive’s looking to expand, maybe they’ve pulled in some people from other labels with connections in that world? It should be interesting.

  36. Oh yay! I figured this news was coming but it’s nice to have something official. I think Jive is a good place for Kris. The folks over there certainly know how to move lots of units of their young artists!

  37. Then hope that radios play the artistsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ songs, or that the local version of MTV plays the music videos. But I was not certain if that is the way it goes in America since Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve read quite a number of posts regarding which is better between RCA and Jive.

    In the United States, all major market top-40 radio airplay is programmed nationally by Clear Channel Radio. Getting a song played is a function of producing a product to a very tight niche — identical to something currently being played and the record company paying (in various ways). Whether an Idol gets radio airplay is determined by the willingness of Sony BMG to pay. Buying radio airplay, in most cases, is a losing proposition. It is so expensive that the artist and the label are better off not doing it unless there are expectations of mulitple hits.

    An artitist might make more money by NOT purchasing radio play and producing MTV music videos, since the artist ultimately pays for ALL of that out of his or her cut. If it’s not a huge hit, that stuff never pays for itself.

  38. Doesn’t Kris get a $1M contract that goes towards a money advance for him as well as to be used to put together his album? That already puts him in a good position over non-winners since he can use that money towards promotion- radio, music videos, etc..

  39. So am I the only one who doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“dirtà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  about Kelly Clarkson and David Hodges? My curiosity is piqued. Was it a professional or personal falling out? If anyone could fill me in it would be most appreciated.

    They dated then he dumped her to get back with his ex fiance or somethin like that. To make a long story short just read the lyrics to Never Again and watch the video for Behind These Hazel Eyes

  40. Yay, official news!

    What is the difference between having his recordings “licensed to Jive” rather than being signed to them (says he is signed to 19R)? Maybe the wording has always been like this and I just haven’t paid attention? I thought it was usually both, i.e. “19R/Jive”

  41. Oh for Pete’s sake.

    Whether an Idol gets radio airplay is determined by the willingness of Sony BMG to pay. Buying radio airplay, in most cases, is a losing proposition. It is so expensive that the artist and the label are better off not doing it unless there are expectations of mulitple hits.

    Direct pay for radio airplay in the US, unless specifically announced as sponsorship, is illegal. Indirect support of radio airplay via third party promoters, which used to be a loophole, was the subject of a huge lawsuit as recently as 2005, which the labels lost, and the companies involved paid more then $12 million dollars in fines.
    “Because of the increased legal scrutiny, some larger radio companies (including industry giant Clear Channel) now flatly refuse to have any contact with independent promoters.” (FCC, more on Payola )

    Nonetheless, fans–especially on Idol boards–love to spread the mythology that labels are “buying” airtime. It certainly explains why your favorites’ songs aren’t being played.

    Labels have all sorts of big levers on radio networks–they can provide stars for interviews, buy ads, provide prizes for giveaways, pay for promotional travel and appearances that radio stations can get in on, so labels with money to spend clearly have an advantage.

    But stating as fact that radio play in the US is “determined by the willingness of Sony BMG to pay” and that artists can decide whether to “purchase radio play” is bunkola. Or, sustained by fan belief rather then demonstrable fact.

    The radio stations play songs they think people will listen to over and over, so they can sell ads, which they do based on numbers of listeners. Without Arbitron and ears listening, they go out of business.

    Also, Clear Channel, while the largest radio network in the country, is far from controlling all large radio markets. Cumulus Media,
    , Citadel Broadcasting and CBS Radio are other large radio networks owning hundreds of stations each.

    * And Clear Channel may not be biggest forever. They’re deeply in debt (16 million), and have laid off hundreds of employees, cf NYT.

  42. Yay finally some signing news! :clap_tb: I had been checking the PR Newswire feeds almost religiously for days. They had to put this out on a day when I didn’t have time to check it. LOL I’m glad this is finally official for Kris. I have a feeling Jive will be good to him and get him some good producers and songwriters in his corner.

    ETA: Michelle I just saw you comment and looked at the press release again. If the word licensed has been on the press releases for past contestants that have been signed, then I haven’t been paying much attention either. I’m wondering what the difference is too.

  43. I could see Kris with a Pop/R&B flavor. :)

    Am I the only person who would actually be happy to see Megan signed? Sure she had some pitchy live performances, but I actually -love- her recording of “Turn Your Lights Down Low”. She’s got that real distinct, jazzy, laid-back sound.

    Definitely anxiously awaiting the news of Allison getting signed though. :D :D

  44. Here’s something I dug up about licensing deals.

    If I’m understanding correctly: basically 19R creates the album, but the rights to the album are sold at a set price to Jive, and it’s up to Jive to market and distribute the finished product. The profit risk is on Jive, not 19R. But if it happens to make a lot of money 19R doesn’t get any of it, beyond what they sold the rights for.

    You could see it as either 19 hedging their bets, or Jive willing to take a gamble (at the same time not having to pay for making the album)…

  45. Here is the blurb from Billboard about Kris signing with Jive and this little note which seems to be the topic of discussion here too:

    Record deals involving other Season 8 à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  contestants are expected to be announced in the coming weeks.

  46. If Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m understanding correctly: basically 19R creates the album, but the rights to the album are sold at a set price to Jive, and ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s up to Jive to market and distribute the finished product. The profit risk is on Jive, not 19R. But if it happens to make a lot of money 19R doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get any of it, beyond what they sold the rights for.

    That would make some sense, because the recording process for idols has been fairly consistent, indicating that 19R probably has control of the album making process.

    But, I would imagine that 19R still gets some points on the album sales. That would be in line with the typical production deal situation. I doubt they would sell the finished product outright.

    I wonder how longs 19R’s contract lasts? Kelly is on her 4th album… is 19R still listed as one of her labels?

  47. Labels have all sorts of big levers on radio networksà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’they can provide stars for interviews, buy ads, provide prizes for giveaways, pay for promotional travel and appearances that radio stations can get in on, so labels with money to spend clearly have an advantage.

    Bingo. Actually, it’s worse than ever because almost no major radio programming is even done at the local level anymore. It’s mostly syndicated playlists distributed from a national office.

    There’s not even a real division between radio and live music anymore. Although it has been spun off, former Clear Channel subsidiary Live Nation owned or operated 117 live music venues, basically making Clear Channel a monopoly over pop music. Live Nation was sold off, but still shares major board members with Clear Channel. There’s no need for direct payola when the record company can simply provide the act to the amphitheater or House of Blues at a subsidized rate for a radio station sponsord concert. The $12 million in fines in 2007 were a slap on the wrist. Pocket change. Clear Channel likely spent more than that pushing a one-hit wonder top 40 act.

    All you need to do is look at the decreasing number of formats and number of songs in rotation across the country.

  48. Record deals involving other Season 8 à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  contestants are expected to be announced in the coming weeks.

    If they follow the usual pattern we’ll see Adam’s next week (or since Kris’ came out so early in this week, maybe even Thurs/Fri). And everyone else can announce once these two are done.

    But, I would imagine that 19R still gets some points on the album sales. That would be in line with the typical production deal situation. I doubt they would sell the finished product outright.

    I would think so too…maybe they just shifted to splitting it this way because it’s cleaner. I would be surprised if 19R didn’t find some way to ensure it gets a cut of the action if the album is successful.

    Another way to look at it, is they keep complete control over Kris so Jive doesn’t automatically get him for the other 2 albums or however many albums are on the deal. So they are going to see how Kris does with Jive’s marketing, and if they think it’ll work out better elsewhere, they can shop the next album to another label.

    It will be interesting to see what sort of model the other Idol deals will follow this year…

  49. It’s great that something is finally official!! This is a good step toward knowing which other Idols will be getting signed. Congrats to Kris! wish him the best, and hope he finds some success.
    I agree that I find something interesting about megan and could understand why she would be one of the first signed $$$. But along with that, if she is picked up than Matt certainly deserves it as well (still waiting to hear good knews on him being signed)
    Danny’s chances are looking slim, there has barely been any buzz surrounding him of late (and I could care less)….
    Adam and Allison seem like locks for deals…

  50. I wonder how longs 19Rà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s contract lasts? Kelly is on her 4th albumà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ is 19R still listed as one of her labels?

    Yup. She left them as her management years ago but is still stuck with them for the recording. She still has that little 19 logo on the back of her new cd along with the RCA logo

  51. Clear Channel likely spent more than that pushing a one-hit wonder top 40 act.

    Huh? It seemed your argument was that Clear Channel *gets paid* to play one-hot wonders, right? By the labels? Why would radio stations *spend money* to push anybody if they allegedly just take whatever money the labels give them to “purchase airtime.”

    If that were even true, clearly Clear Channel aren’t charging enough, since their catastrophic cash flow problems were reported just a few weeks ago.

    The vast majority of Clear Channel’s stated income comes from advertising, the rates for which are set when their audience size is measured. If people don’t listen, they can’t sell ads. Do they make stupid programming decisions that lose portions of the audience? Sometimes. Do they prefer to play only music that labels are spending ad and promo effort behind? Sure. Can a label go to Clear Channel and directly purchase spins? Don’t buy it. Will stations play songs they think the audience dislikes because the label is paying for it? Radio stations have a big array of callout, survey and other testing tools specifically to try to make sure they’re playing songs that people won’t turn the dial on.

    Look, if labels could purchase airplay whenever they wanted to, their big acts would never have expensively promoted singles and albums fail. Which in reality, happens all the time.

    If you want to believe that radio networks disregard all the evidence of what their audience wants, despite how their whole revenue model depends on audience size, in favor of believing they really are driven by secret, illegal payola from the labels . . . el shruggo.

  52. Megan being signed? That would be a shocker and undeserving IMO, but maybe the country labels are desperate for something? Although beyond Allison, who is there really worthy to be signed?

    I realize the Wiki is not always all that accurate, but Megan Joy is currently listed as one of Jive’s current artists.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_Jive_Records_artists

    She’s a pretty girl…but I don’t think she very deserving of this (sorry to say).

  53. Maybe megan got that part in the Fleetwood Mac biopic.There was talk about that.She may needed a label for that.

  54. Wiki had him listed under both. I would trust the press release before wiki ;)

    Technically I don’t even know if he is “signed to” Jive, it’s probably more accurate to say he signed a deal “with” 19R and Jive. Blah, it’s probably all semantics.

  55. Don’t 19E Records and Sony BMG simply share in the production and costs of the Idol records franchise? I thought that’s how the old deal with Clive worked out.
    All winners are automatically signed with 19E/19R (CKX) and then appropriated (enslaved?LOL) to a label within Sony BMG for joint venture and distribution (originally, Arista/RCA/ect. but now expanded obviously). This way no one company is taking a hit by itself for these relative unknowns. For Kris, he’ll have the 19, Jive, and Sony logos adorning his CD; it looks like Adam will have 19, RCA, and Sony on his.

  56. Just a very cool pic of Kris (at the Lakers game, it looks like) alongside Rolling Stoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s announcement that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been signed, and a mention of mjà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s blog.

    They called her the “Idol Bible.” That is awesome, mj.

  57. Wow. So Megan is signed to Jive Records and nothing for Matt?
    Bummer. I am so sad about that. Oh well, it’s life. Megan is pretty and is marketable I guess.

  58. Heh Wiki is a nice place to start a search but it has proven time and time again to be unreliable at the best of times. Since I’m not an expert I can’t comment fully or with a lot of knowledge but I understood that wikipedia is like a people’s online resource center where different people can add or subtract information from a page. It’s more like communal research and is often times updated or changed from one day to the next. Am I understanding it correctly?

    As far as Kris signing I would trust the official press release. They are usually accurate and verifiable since they come directly from 19. And I don’t see ANY record company listed for Megan, anywhere.

  59. I’d also trust the Jive website where he’s on the artist roster LOL
    This is really stupid but I’ve been this huge Justin Timberlake fan forever and I’m getting such a thrill knowing they share a label. I thought about it the other day when the rumors about Jove started but seeing the names on the roster together is making me all swoony :laugh_tb: It does not take much to get me excited!

    I just went back and looked at every press release announcing signings and not one uses the term “licensing deal” hmmmm.

  60. If I remember how it works, 19E is producing the record (providing the upfront $$$) just as they did for Kelly, Ruben, Clay, Carrie, Daughty,ect. They own the record. Jive is in charge of the promotion and distribution (retailers and radio), just as RCA does for Cook and BNA does for Pickler. 19E’s and Sony’s deals have always been a partnership.

  61. LOL…. he is now listed just below Jordin and Justin……

    the official statement now leads the Zomba site.

    I just read where Clive Davis said “Jive is where we NURTURE artists”.

    Yes, I think it’s a good match.

  62. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d also trust the Jive website where heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s on the artist roster LOL

    Heh. Exactly. Seeing the press release and seeing his name on the artist roster is all the proof I need. :) A Wiki page can be edited by anyone. If you go to Kris’ Wiki page HERE, note that on the right hand side of the screen of the heading “Childhood and personal life” there is a link to edit the info. LOL

  63. Yeah, that language about Kris signing with 19R but licensing to Jive is very odd for an Idol winner. It’s somewhat similar to how Michael Johns’ deal was described, but I’ve never seen it worded like that with a winner/runner-up. Cook’s press release last year said “American Idol winner David Cook has been signed to 19 Recordings/RCA Records…”. No distinction about signing versus licensing.

    Maybe it’s just a semantics issue, but it does make me curious (I’ve long been fascinated with the inner-workings of the Idol contracts). Perhaps the 19 machine is reacting to the changing nature of the industry and is starting to get more creative or trying to give themselves more flexibility with the contracts they sign coming off the show. It’s happening quite a bit in the film industry, where studios are working together and licensing-out distribution rights in order to hedge or distribute some of their risk.

    Now I’m dying to see how the announcements about Adam and Allison’s (presumed) deals are worded…

  64. Seriously, the answer for me is satellite radio in the car, and combination tv music channels and itunes/ipods at home. Satellite radio is only about $13 a month for the first car and about $7 for the 2nd. Well worth it, you can hear every kind of music on it, an infinite number of songs. I haven’t been able to stand regular radio in at least a decade.

  65. Yay! Wonderful to see the confirmation.

    Now let’s see what he can do with the lyrical dreck they’re probably going to saddle him with. All I’m asking for is one actually good song…too much?

  66. Here’s something I’m wondering about the whole signing/ licensing deal…

    I’ve seen on several posts (mainly by Kirsten), that the head of Jive has now taken Clive Davis’s position. Clive was the head of 19R correct? Or no?

    So in light of this new development (if I’m understanding it correctly), perhaps this is how it works when idols are signed with Jive (or licensed).

    BTW, I am really looking forward to Kris’s album. I plan to download his itunes pass.

    Now Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m dying to see how the announcements about Adam and Allisonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s (presumed) deals are wordedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    Me too, especially Allison’s provided all of the Jive rumors for her are true!

  67. Does anyone know how the labels decide who gets what idol? Does RCA have first dibs? What if multiple labels (Jive, RCA) both want a particular artist? Does the idol get to decide where they want to go? Thanks!

    This is a great question, anyone have any info about this? All I know in David Cook’s case he said he met with RCA first and liked what he heard from them and canceled his other label meetings. The way he told the story lead me to believe going with RCA was his choice. But really, I have no clue, especially if they have any negotiating power of if they can play labels off of each other.

  68. seriously, it’s just semantics. This is the way it has always worked. There is no new development. LOL. He is listed as 19/Jive from RS to Billboard. Notice the Jive website…… he is ‘Jive Recording Artist, Kris Allen’.

  69. Just stopping in to echo what storm45701 said:
    There is nothing unusual about Kris’ signing; simple semantics is all it is. I am holding my David Cook CD right now. And, on the back, it reads: 19 Recordings Limited under exclusive license to RCA Records.
    Sorry, nothing new and exciting (or Taylor-esque) here.

  70. storm45701 Jun 8th, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    seriously, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just semantics. This is the way it has always worked. There is no new development. LOL. He is listed as 19/Jive from RS to Billboard. Notice the Jive websiteà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ he is à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Jive Recording Artist, Kris Allenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢.

    Storm, I agree it’s probably semantics, but why would this one be worded differently than past ones? I don’t know about BB, but I’m kinda thinking that RS got their info. from mj, esp. since they mention her in the article. :)

  71. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve seen on several posts (mainly by Kirsten), that the head of Jive has now taken Clive Davisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s position. Clive was the head of 19R correct? Or no?

    Clive was the head of the entire of RCA Music Group (Arista/J Records/RCA), not 19..Simon Fuller is the head of 19.

    So in light of this new development (if Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m understanding it correctly), perhaps this is how it works when idols are signed with Jive (or licensed).

    Not likely since last year when the David’s signed their deals Clive was already demoted and Barry Weiss took his place by then.

  72. David Cook is LICENSED to RCA.
    Daughtry is LICENSED to SONY BMG.
    Kelly Clarkson is LICENSED to RCA.
    Kellie Pickler is LICENSED to BNA.

    Why? Because they are the PROPERTY (there, I said it!!) of 19E!!!!
    Yep, that’s the contract…ownership of said artist’s creative efforts.

    19E is a British company; they had to create these licensing agreements in order to secure US distribution and radio play. Think of it this way, he records for both 19E (who are upfronting the $10K or more per track it takes to record) and Jive (who are going to upfront a ton of promotion costs). Sony BMG has placed them at the label within their franchise that they think will fit.

    I’m not sure why people are reading too much into this. Don’t be disturbed by the wording.

    I’m finding it quite thrilling that the head of Sony BMG (the whole damn company!) placed him at his former label, Jive/Zomba.

  73. I could see Kris with a Pop/R&B flavor. :)

    I sure hope not. He just said he liked being described as “rock” and “pop rock” doesn’t necessarily mean “r&b flavor”. I’ll be so disappointed if he goes for an r&b sound. He didn’t do that on the show and it doesn’t seem like who he is.

  74. just looked up my Ray LaMontagne album…. yep it’s
    “2006 Stone Dwarf, LLC, under license to the RCA Music Group”.
    so, it’s not just the Idols…and Ray is fully listed at RCA’s site.

  75. Clive was the head of the entire of RCA Music Group (Arista/J Records/RCA), not 19..Simon Fuller is the head of 19.

    Awww, thank you, that’s why I asked the question. ;) When you just know a little bit, it’s dangerous sometimes. This helps a great deal, thanks!

    Storm, I appreciate your explanation as well! Thank you!!!! This helps too.

    Oceana, I’m thinking pop/rock w/ an R&B flavor. This doesn’t mean something with vocal gymnastics however. We’ll see. Kris seems to be smart about what he wants and says he’s sticking to what he did on the show.

    Ach, I don’t want it auto tuned or over produced however. Again, we’ll see.

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m finding it quite thrilling that the head of Sony BMG (the whole damn company!) placed him at his former label, Jive/Zomba.

    Yep, this seems to be a good thing!!! Yay!

  76. Since I can’t edit my last comment, I just want to point out that the thing that clued me in on storm’s post was the fact (I think) that 19E is a British company (duh) and therefore 19R must be as well, so they need to license with an American company. thank you again!!!!

  77. 19E is a British company; they had to create these licensing agreements in order to secure US distribution and radio play. Think of it this way, he records for both 19E (who are upfronting the $10K or more per track it takes to record) and Jive (who are going to upfront a ton of promotion costs). Sony BMG has placed them at the label within their franchise that they think will fit.

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not sure why people are reading too much into this. Donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be disturbed by the wording.

    Ah okay, works for me :) I was just curious cause that was the first time I’d seen it worded like that. Every other press release I remember doesn’t play around w/the wording, it just said “signed with Jive/RCA/Arista”. But hey, maybe someone new is writing the PRs. Also as a Kris fan I am hypersensitive to possible bussing (see, I can be honest about that) ;)

  78. Sorry for spamming, but it’s too late for me to edit above. Looks like it’s a Jive thing, just browsing through Amazon both Archie and Jordin have that “19 Recordings licensed to Zomba Group” type of language in their music’s product info. okay, tinfoil hat off!

    And since I seemed to have forgotten to say it: Congrats to Kris on officially getting signed! I’ve heard he is already working with songwriters on material (“with” being the important word here!), great to hear they are getting started quickly!

  79. Clive was the head of the entire of RCA Music Group (Arista/J Records/RCA), not 19..Simon Fuller is the head of 19.

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m finding it quite thrilling that the head of Sony BMG (the whole damn company!) placed him at his former label, Jive/Zomba.

    Just a minor clarification (because I pick nits). Sony used to be known as Sony-BMG. It was a joint venture between the Sony Music Group (a division of the bigger Sony Company) and the Bertelsmann Music Group (a division of the bigger Bertelsmann Company). As is the way with large companies, there were several layers of management. The Sony and BMG portions of the company operated largely independently and the head of BMG portion was Clive. Rolf Schmidt-Holtz was actually the head of Sony-BMG.

    Last year, Bertelsmann decided to get out of the music biz and sold out to Sony, so the company is no longer Sony-BMG and is just Sony. Rolf continues to be the CEO.

    Also last year (prior to Bertelsmann selling out to Sony), Clive was replaced as the head of BMG by Barry Weiss (who had previously been the CEO of the Zomba Music Group part of BMG). So, Barry was now in charge of the labels that have a licensing agreement with 19E including such labels as RCA Records, Jive, J Records, LaFace, Arista, Volcano, Verity, Arista Nashville, RCA Nashville, BNA Records, BMG Kidz, GospoCentric and Fo Yo Soul. Barry continues to be the head of this division of Sony.

    So, Clive was responsible for more than just RCA and Barry isn’t quite the head of Sony-BMG, but he certainly has a very impressive group of labels under his wing. And, yes, Barry has grown to be head of the BMG labels based on his impressive results at Jive (and later, it’s parent label group, Zomba).

  80. lord, too many layers….. this is what consolidation does. We basically have four major labels with a bunch of divisions.

    so, I wonder who pulled the rug out from under ol’ Clive?

    From what I read at the NY Times, Jive/Zomba is one of the few label branches to control costs and make a profit. I can see why they wanted Weiss to oversee the whole division. Clive has always been about units, units, units, no matter the cost…..

    I just hope that they treat Kris well, and give him the support that he needs, including – and especially – good material. I am glad that, like Cook and Daughtry, they are allowing him to help write his own material. I’m not sure if they allowed Hicks to do that.

  81. 19 sure did everything in their power to bury this press release and anything Kris related as soon as possible in order to continue with “The Adam Lambert Show”. I feel for this guy. He is talented and he is getting screwed over because he doesn’t make a spectacle of himself. I really feel that it would be in his best interest to go with different management. If not, it was nice knowing him.

  82. LOL…. too true. They should have waited until later in the week. Nothing will keep them from promoting TCO, though. Clive is probably salivating. I’m just glad they’re on separate labels and obviously have separate goal points, although part of me feels like this is all a vicious plan.

  83. ^^^^
    The management is who is in charge of the vast majority of promotion, though. And, they are making it painfully obvious that they have no interest in promoting him. This is a marketable guy; I don’t get it.

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