Kris Allen Records New Version of The Truth Featuring Train’s Pat Monahan

I’m not sure why, but Kris Allen has recorded a new version of  his song, “The Truth”, featuring Pat Monahan of Train on vocals.

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“The Truth” co-written by Monahan, is rumored to be one of the songs in the running as Kris’s second single from his post-idol debut, Kris Allen.

  • Listen to the new version of “The Truth” HERE.

What do you think? I think the original version was just fine…

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379 Comments

  1. Correction: Pat Monahan recorded vocals for Kris’ version of the Truth, and they’ve been badly shoehorned into a remix of the original song.

  2. I don’t know…I really don’t get it. It isn’t bad, but I also don’t think it adds anything to the song-a bit gimmicky. I mean Pat has one of the best most commercially viable voices in pop/rock, and you use him as a backup singer you can barely hear. If you are going to use Pat on the song at least mix his voice up in the mix enough where it complements Kris and the song. Also to me Kris voice sounds pushed and strained at a few points in the song. This is a pretty good song, but will it be able to get spins on pop radio? Sounds like it may be destined for a life on AC/HAC to me. I think this song could do ok but I dont think it can sell 1.5 million copies like LLWD.

    Did Kris co-write this with Pat, or did Pat write it with someone else?

  3. I like the original version much better. It makes no sense having Pat Monahan doing a duet on this … and singing the chorus that Kris is so fantastic on. If they’re planning on making a special EP of duets, maybe I can tolerate it. I really hope they don’t try to slide this through as Kris second single.

    Right now I’m not a happy camper.

  4. I think labels are just making weird single decisions lately. I was not thrilled with the choices RCA made for Daughtry (should have been You Don’t Belong) and I’m sure they’ll continue to make more poor song selections.

    This is nothing against the songs, because there is a difference between being a nice song and being a radio song – those two things don’t always overlap.

    For the record, I like the original version of The Truth and actually enjoyed the new version (although I want to hear an HQ version) – I just don’t see it doing well as a radio single. But I could just as easily be wrong.

  5. Hmm. I really don’t care for it. The original was just fine. The Truth is a really good song, so I don’t know why they felt the need to change it. I hope it doesn’t become the second single. :/

  6. For the record, I think Pat Monahan is a great vocalist and I like Train but I think the song shouldn’t have been altered. I could barely hear him on the song. What is going on with these record label decisions lately?

  7. I love Train’s recent album and I think Pat Monahan is a competent vocalist. THIS however does not work. It’s like he just magically appeared in the song’s climax. Maybe if he sang one of the verses it COULD work, but overall I do not understand the point of re-working this when the original is vastly superior.

    Maybe, they have plans of bringing Pat M. to sing this with Kris on the finale to get attention for the song? Or maybe it’s already set in stone…

    Bottomline: I hate it. Jive, you suck.

  8. I don’t like it either. Your suppose to leave in opinion on it.

  9. Well, I’m still HORRIFIED and I might remain in that state for a long, long time.

    The part that Pat is now singing was the best part of the song, and Kris really sang it beautifully. So I don’t know what they are thinking. If it’s to get Pat’s name recognition — then they are chasing the wrong things.

  10. Duet/fearturing is very popular now in radio. Look at the pop chart, more than half of to 10 have 2 or more vocals. Besides Train just has a big hit out there. Adding Pat in TT will make radio more lilely to play the song.

  11. Duet/fearturing is very popular now in radio. Look at the pop chart, more than half of to 10 have 2 or more vocals. Besides Train just has a big hit out there. Adding Pat in TT will make radio more lilely to play the song.

    I get that part. It would have been acceptable if it wasn’t so weirdly put together.

  12. Yeah I know someone on twitter already made a petition,say no to the new version of The Truth.Or something like that.

  13. I liked the song the way it was on the album. I don’t think the other vocals do anything to enhance the song.

  14. Yeah I know someone on twitter already made a petition,say no to the new version of The Truth.Or something like that.

    And they have been messaging Kris’ band who was giving away tickets to their show with Keith Urban.

    This week has been the most stressful so far for a Kris fan. Hahaha.

  15. WTF Jive? Seriously? This is what you delayed releasing a single for the last 6 weeks for? Seriously?

    Some advice? Time to half the booze and blow budget. Seriously.

    Oh well, Kris. Maybe they’ll let you have a second album. This thing is going nowhere fast.

    Although I will say that Jive is more brave than RCA, since it’s not afraid to release a song featuring gay lovers.

    I had already pretty much concluded that Jive was just going to toss this single out there (like “Touch My Hand” and “Scars”) and see if it swam. Let him sing it on Idol and done. But couldn’t they have let him sing one of his own songs? Or at least have a solo? Now, he’ll probably have to do a crappy duet with Pat on the Idol finale. Screw you 19M. This is probably your idea to get Train to show up.

    I think I need a nap. Yes? Or maybe Jive can lend me some booze. Billions of blistering blue barnacles, this sucks.

  16. I love the original version so there is no way they could make it better imo. However, I think what they are doing here might actually get Kris more attention. Kinda like what they did having Jordin duet with Chris Brown on No Air. Can you honestly say that No Air would have been as popular has it not been for Chris? This could actually help Kris break out of the AI bubble and gain more fans.

  17. Well, they definitely edited the song for radio play. The album version is 4:40 and this one clocks in at under 4 minutes. A lot of songs feature multiple artists these days, so maybe they thought they’d get a better shot at airplay with Monahan on it.

  18. Could the link be more hidden? Had to click randomly and get Twitter guidance to find it onthe site.

    Still clueless why such a mash exists.

    Also had to stop before it played through. Repulsed.

    First, LLWD used to help The Script. Platinum or not, LLWD certainly not selected for its ability to sell albums, since it’s basically a philosophical lecture, that does not showcase Kris’s emotional connection or song interpretation strengths. Like, for example, ANS, Bright Lights, or any of his shining moments that the 25 million people watching AI or dedicated followers at tour dates would have recognized. JMHO, of course.

    Then, zero remedial media courses in helping smart, but self-proclaimed lazy, and never been in show biz before Kris understand how 75% of his job is selling and being consistently his charming self in EVERY interview. Now this agonizing ridiculousness on his own website.

    Kris deserves more. Not impressed with 19 & Jive’s handling of the talented Mr. Allen. Naturally, YMMV.

  19. I’m not sure I’m clicking the right link. The song I heard sounded kind of nice. (Maybe I listened to the original?? Sorry, I don’t really know Kris’s songs but I was going to try to give an opinion.)

  20. Although I will say that Jive is more brave than RCA, since it’s not afraid to release a song featuring gay lovers.

    OMG, Kirsten – this made me laugh so hard. Can you imagine the video with Kris and Pat exchanging lingering looks of sadness?

  21. my posts are all over the place on this subject – knowing MJ I should have been patient, instead I totally freaked after listening earlier – it really was jarring to say the least!!

    I agree with all the negative comments & I hope Jive will listen to them. I know they have a bad reputation around here, but is there a chance they will listen? Maybe it is not set in stone yet – why would they give us this early little peek? Just to torment us further? They don’t suck that much, do they?

  22. iluvai

    if the link you used took you to the store, then you probably heard the original version. the new version you can hear by hitting the teeny tiny play button in the top right hand corner of the home page, underneath the streaming bar

  23. I don’t like it.
    It’s not a single that’s going to help sell his album.
    What a waste.

  24. I didn’t know that the Pat was one of the writers. That at least places him at the scene. I do have my theories that certain writers are promised a single when they sign on. That’s where the money’s at.

  25. I certainly can live with Pat on background vocals, but not on the bridge. Pat Monahan’s vocals pale in comparison to Kris’s. It really is cringe worthy. It is doing no favors for Pat at all or this song. I hope he doesn’t read the comments on KAO. If they want to use Train/Pat M.’s name so be it, but keep the vocals in the background. Surprisingly, this song does not work for Monahan’s vocals and he wrote it. Jive is looking for input and they’re getting it both barrels. I thought I read somewhere that they recorded the song with background vocals and also as a duet. If they’re smart, they’ll do away with the duet. It’s absurd, but Pat Monahan actually ruins his own song. As I said the only good thing from this exercise is really appreciating the beauty of Kris Allen’s vocals. I think Jive will make the correct choice.

  26. OMG, Kirsten – this made me laugh so hard. Can you imagine the video with Kris and Pat exchanging lingering looks of sadness?

    Thanks for making me laugh in the midst of my anguish. :)

  27. The good bit about this new version is the harmony during the chorus (similar to what Kris and Cale are doing during the live version).

    I don’t like the bridge (Pat’s voice sounded weird), although at least they kept Kris’s “oh yeaaaaaaaahhhh” part, which I love. The shortened radio edit of the instrumentals also felt/sounded weird.

    Overall, I’m not hating it with a passion but it’s just meh with me. If they release a single of Alright With Me with this version as a B-side, it’d be cooler. :P

    ETA: I realized that obviously us Kris’s fans who are familiar with the original version might be (slightly) against this single.

    But remember how Live Like We’re Dying was beaten to death because of the cover-gate and how The Script’s version was better? Look where that ended. ;)

  28. I like the original, it’s not my favorite song from the album, but this new version really makes me see just how good the original is. What sense does it make to take the best part of the song away from Kris and give it to Pat. Pat does not sing that part like Kris does, and it just doesn’t work.

  29. Well Pat’s vocals ruined the end a bit, but i get why the label is doing this, because Train are sooo coool these days (well at least for somebody i guess hah)…so why not throw a feat. Pat Monahan in there.
    Well maybe the feedback will be so negative that they’ll change the single for something else…

  30. Can you imagine the video with Kris and Pat exchanging lingering looks of sadness?

    Yes. And it can begin with them both in bed. It will start focused on Kris staring at the ceiling, unable to sleep. Then he’ll start singing and the camera will slide over to Pat snoozing, blissfully unaware of what his lover is singing about. Perhaps he can be snoring to add some versimilitude. That’s probably why they are breaking up. The snoring is the truth that Kris does not want to reveal. Go to a sleep clinic, Pat! You two crazy kids don’t have to break up over this!

    Then the Militant Wing of the Glam Nation will angrily complain that Kris is trying to mosey on into Adam’s area. And hard core Kradam fans will twitter bomb poor Pat. Then the nascent Pris fans can jump to his defence. I can see it all now.

    I think I sense MJ’s eye starting to twitch already. Soon, she will be just like Inspector Clouseau’s boss.

  31. I’m not real familiar with Kris’s album, but is this the best choice for a second single? Obviously they are just bypassing CHR completely and going straight for HAC. Is there nothing else that would work on top 40 radio?

    And, really, will most people even know who Pat is? It is Train that people recognize.

  32. I’m so confused on why they needed to change it from what it was. The original is 100x better.

    Although i love the original, i don’t think it should be the next single. IMO, It should between Before We Come Undone, Let it Rain, or even Send Me All Your Angels (although it’s a bonus track so maybe as a 3rd single?)

    I wouldn’t be upset if I Need to Know was the next single since it’s actually my favorite on the album.

  33. That’s probably why they are breaking up. The snoring is the truth that Kris does not want to reveal. Go to a sleep clinic, Pat! You to crazy kids don’t have to break up over this!

    LOL – and maybe the elephant in the room can be their therapist who helps them talk it out. (After all, there has to be a good reason that the elephant is in the room!)

  34. I didn’t know that the Pat was one of the writers. That at least places him at the scene. I do have my theories that certain writers are promised a single when they sign on. That’s where the money’s at.

    See, I could get behind The Truth as a single. I like it, and I think it has a lot of radio potential. I was pretty open to listening to the new version, and would have liked if I could have gotten behind it especially because Pat wrote the song – and I like him and his writing. But, really this version makes zero sense. (to me anyway) The part that they have Pat singing was in my opinion the best part of the song, and Kris really sang it so great. It just doesn’t add anything to the song to have Pat sing that part.

    Um, yeah, so I feel pretty strongly about it.

    I also agree that I think writers are promised certain things re singles.

    I wouldn’t be upset if I Need to Know was the next single since it’s actually my favorite on the album.,

    My favourite too. :)

  35. Do Kris’s people have a do-over impulse? They redid Heartless, after two versions – his live one, and the itunes version – were already out there. Then they redo his Train song? What was wrong with the original one? I only heard it once, but I thought it sounded fine. I liked the “elephant in the room” lyric.

    I’m confused. Kris already has a big hit with LLWD. He doesn’t need any extra help on radio. Do people think he needs Train in order to get played on the radio?

    Unless maybe it was Kris’s idea. Kris fans, do you know?

  36. Most people are saying Please release either AWM or BWCU. And if you want to make The Truth the next one please why not the original.I haven’t read all the commitment yet thou. They have 160 replies already.

  37. Over on KAO, out of all te comments, only one is positive. Hoefully Jive/19 listens to the fans for once…but I’m not counting on that.

    In theory I understand that putting “featuring Pat Monahan” on the song could attract potential buyers/listeners who don’t know much about Kris but like/love Train. In execution however, this just didn’t work. And unless Kris suddenly starts touring with Train, it’s not like he and pat would be performing this live anyway, so the live version is going to sound different — so why mess with i at all? They could have made a adio cut without using pat’s vocals, or just as a background vocal. Maybe that would have worked, although I would’ve just stuck with the original.

  38. If this version is not in the album, it can hardly help the album sales, right?

  39. Thanks girlygirl!

    So first of all, I’m not familiar with the song. The first one I listened to was actually the duet one. Then I listened to Kris’s original. Then I listened to the duet again. It’s a really good song. I think Kris singing it by himself is better. But probably people not familiar with Kris’s original will like the duet, just because the song is good.

    Having said that, I have no idea why the original would not be released as the single. Kris sounds great on his own.

  40. If this version is not in the album, it can hardly help the album sales, right?

    Remixes can still help the sale of albums. It was the Timbaland remix of “Apologize” that got OneRepublic some attention. They weren’t making much progress until then.

    Also, if a singer has a big hit with a song, they’ll send out new copies of the CD with the song on it (and a little sticker).

    This kind of stuff happens frequently.

  41. BeckyMD

    you wouldn’t think so, unless people decide to buy the album to hear the different version. personally, if they were going to release one of his songs that isn’t on the album as a single, my vote would be for the Kris-Daughtry co-write Send me All Your Angels, which is a much better song.

  42. I love the original version so there is no way they could make it better imo. However, I think what they are doing here might actually get Kris more attention. Kinda like what they did having Jordin duet with Chris Brown on No Air. Can you honestly say that No Air would have been as popular has it not been for Chris? This could actually help Kris break out of the AI bubble and gain more fans.

    Pat isn’t Chris Brown. Chris was one of the hottest singers in the country when No Air came out, he didn’t just have a popular single out at the time.

  43. The song is almost the same like the version on the album except of coooool Pat of course…

  44. It’s a good song either way to me. I think I’m done having opinions on the situation. We’ll see what happens…

  45. I think I need a nap. Yes? Or maybe Jive can lend me some booze. Billions of blistering blue barnacles, this sucks.

    Couldn’t agree more WTF…….

  46. Granted, I’ve only heard the original version once, but that sounded like a Kris Allen song. If I didn’t know someone else was singing on the bridge, I probably wouldn’t have noticed. (Pat Monahan’s voice is bit more strident, but his delivery is similar to Kris’s, at least on this song- I certainly don’t think it ruins it). The song itself is just OK, I think. Doesn’t he have another Script song on his CD? I’m surprised they’re not releasing that one.

  47. Kris couldn’t have been happy with this “creative” decision..This had to have been pushed on him by Jive, right?

  48. Jive used the Chris Brown/Jordin duet as the second single and it helped her stalled album take off and I’m sure they are trying the same tactic hoping to kick-start Kris’s under performing one. Music is a business and they want success.

  49. You could say it was smart of them to post the song late on a Friday afternoon. Monday when they announce it as the next single, they could say they posted the song for comments and didn’t receive any. Seems that idea didn’t work out so well, 19/Jive.

    I feel bad for Kris. He has a huge opportunity to impress new fans opening for Keith Urban tonight and now we have patgate.

  50. cheese yea they do it’s called Written All Over My Face.I really love that one alot. Maybe this version well grow on me.I just love the first one so much. And the best part is the part that Pat is singing now.I love it with Kris’s voice,it’s so beautiful.

  51. Doesn’t he have another Script song on his CD? I’m surprised they’re not releasing that one.

    If “The Truth” doesn’t tank, they’ll release the other Script song. Then, they can be done because they’ll have released everything Kris didn’t have a hand in writing.

    Who would have thought that after two years of singer-songwriter type winners, the only 19R Idol from those two seasons who released as a single a song they helped write would be Archie? (yes, I’m ignoring Bar-B-Sol because the label did too)

  52. Is everyone at Jive heavily medicated? Or are they actively trying to sabotage him? I don’t get it.

  53. Pat’s voice is f*cking terrible. He sounds like he’s getting his crotch squeezed at random intervals while his dog is whining. I can’t stand that Hey, Soul Sister song because of his voice :(.

    Curious as to why they’d record a new version, but if this version is his second single (which, I know, is kinda jumping to conclusions), I might do vicious treasonous things (I dunno, maybe sulk?).

    AWM FTW

  54. Lol, this song is not going to be a No Air hit, because it is not nearly as catchy. Lets see Kris sell platinum with this crap.

  55. Kris fan here and I can’t hear it. Where do I look at krisallenofficial to listen to the song. I never have like THE TRUTH and want to see if I like the new version. I was hoping for Written All Over My Face.

  56. well, if this song becomes a huge hit, everyone will be all excited and won’t care that they redid it with Pat.

  57. I feel bad for Kris. He has a huge opportunity to impress new fans opening for Keith Urban tonight and now we have patgate

    For some reason, I think it should be called Pat-i-Gate.

  58. What Jive may not realize is that Pat Monahan probably submitted this song to Kris in the first place at least in part because he knew he didn’t really fit his voice or his style.

    I still say they should just release AWM or BWCU — both of which have better potential as a single anyway. If they have some sort of deal with Pat to release tThe Truth as a sinle, make it the 3rd single — and release the original version. Or re-record it as a shorter version — but without any of Pat’s vocals. He’d still get his songwriter royalties and they can always promote it as “written by Pat Monahan from Train”

  59. or why not Allright With Me? That’s a great roll your windows down and jam kind of song for the up coming summer.

  60. jammasta:

    I like that “Hey Soul Sister” song.

    I had no idea who the singer was though.

  61. blergh. why are they trying to cut Kris off at the knees. We know he’s not your favorite son but really? How does this benefit you in any way?

  62. Lets see Kris sell platinum with this crap.

    It’s a good song. I really like it.

  63. Aladdict

    on Kris’ official website. Look at the top right hand corner. You’ll see a small button under the streaming bar. Hit that and it should work (you may hear LLWD first but if your patetient the new version of TT should come up)

  64. Lol, this song is not going to be a No Air hit, because it is not nearly as catchy. Lets see Kris sell platinum with this crap.

    I don’t think so too. Oh well. Let’s just wait and see.

    I remember people not being that optimistic about LLWD when it wasn’t selling that much and very few radio stations were picking it up. But, it worked out eventually. I’m just hoping for the best.

  65. jammasta:

    I like that “Hey Soul Sister” song.

    It’s a case of “good song, bad vocalist”. It’s actually the exact type of music I listen to, but I just don’t like Pat’s voice :/

  66. I loved LLWD from the first snippet I heard on MJ’s. I think Kris’ next single will do well. :)

  67. It’s a case of “good song, bad vocalist”. It’s actually the exact type of music I listen to.

    You should listen to the entire album. It’s amazing.

  68. Pat-i-Gate. Pat-i-gate
    A&R Man
    Produce me a hit as fast as you can
    Tape it and mash it and send it for adds
    Don’t give a hoot if it makes the fans sads

  69. What Jive may not realize is that Pat Monahan probably submitted this song to Kris in the first place at least in part because he knew he didn’t really fit his voice or his style.

    Yeah you are probably right about this..if you listen to most of Trains and Pats solo recordings, Pat sings in a higher key than this song. TT is to low of a register for him.

    I like that “Hey Soul Sister” song.

    I had no idea who the singer was though.

    Though Hey Soul Sister is a bigger radio hit, check out Drops of Jupiter by Train…amazing song and it won 2 grammys. :)

  70. Pat-i-Gate. Pat-i-gate
    A&R Man
    Produce me a hit as fast as you can
    Tape it and mash it and send it for adds
    Don’t give a hoot if it makes the fans sads

    <3

  71. What Jive may not realize is that Pat Monahan probably submitted this song to Kris in the first place at least in part because he knew he didn’t really fit his voice or his style.

    I think you absolutely nailed it, Girlygirl. I like Pat and own the Train CD, but he just doesn’t work on this song, particularly in contrast to Kris’ smooth, rich vocals. I can’t imagine that even Pat would be in agreement with this collaboration.

    ETA: Obviously Pat is, as he did it, but can he really believe that it’s good?

  72. I love TRAIN, but I find I have a love/hate relationship with Pat M.’s vocals. They are so distinct, but not always pleasant. HSS is getting to the point of fingernails on chalkboard for me whenever it comes on radio. I change stations only to have it playing on another. It’s up there with I’m Yours for me. I have to say the bridge with Pat singing is really not good. Again, I’m a fan of TRAIN, but just no to Pat on this song. I think when I’m out tomorrow I’ll put in their new CD. I haven’t really listen to the entire thing yet. (Skipping HSS, of course) I need to remember what it is that I like about TRAIN. Cleanse the palet, so to speak.

  73. Pat-i-Gate. Pat-i-gate
    A&R Man
    Produce me a hit as fast as you can
    Tape it and mash it and send it for adds
    Don’t give a hoot if it makes the fans sads

    You should get paid for your ditties and stories! Very creative. :)

  74. girlygirl:
    04/23/2010 at 9:35 pm

    happycat14
    I’m almost 100% positive this was NOT Kris’s idea

    I agree girlygirl- it wasn’t his idea for the change in Heartless on the album – but he compromised to get his & Cale’s song on there. I wonder if he is being made to compromise again?

    I’ve already said my feelings about this twice on other threads but I do agree that it sounds like Pat was promised a single when he wrote it- which is fine but why not stick to a shorter version of the original for radio use?
    I also like Train- but agree that Pat’s vocals are not right for this song- Kris’s voice works!

  75. Kirsten:
    04/23/2010 at 10:07 pm

    Pat-i-Gate. Pat-i-gate
    A&R Man
    Produce me a hit as fast as you can
    Tape it and mash it and send it for adds
    Don’t give a hoot if it makes the fans sads

    ROTFLMAO :lol:

  76. Kirsten

    LMAO – thank you!

    I’m now going to concentrate on the twitters about Kris’s concert with Keith Urban tonight — a much happier thing than worrying about all this

  77. This was my favorite song on Kris’s album. I find the Pat background vocal distracting. And it sounds like Pat didn’t even put any effort into the bridge. It’s painful — and not in the good emotional pain way. More like fingernails on chalk pain. Boo pat-i-gate. That said, there’s enough original Kris in the beginning that it _could_ be a hit. Maybe. Probably not.

  78. The second single should be Alright With Me. I said from day one that it’d be the perfect summer hit. The Truth is a great song, I like when Kris sings it alone better. I think Jve is trying to capatalise on the success of Hey Soul Sister, but LLWD has done pretty darn good on it’s own.

  79. I’ve never heard this sing but just went to the link. It sounds like Kris singing the whole song. Is that correct? If Pat is singing, I didn’t notice anything so I think it will be fine. If Pat is not on the linked version, is it on YouTube. I think the song is fine in a Need You Now type of vein.

  80. I don’t usually hang out on a Kris thread, but it’s been fun! Thanks girlygirl for your post (I responded way back).

    I think no matter what Kris’ next single will be it will be successful. He’s sounds great on the radio! I love LLWD.

  81. Duet/fearturing is very popular now in radio. Look at the pop chart, more than half of to 10 have 2 or more vocals. Besides Train just has a big hit out there. Adding Pat in TT will make radio more likely to play the song.

    I agree with this. The Truth is definitely NOT one of my fav songs on Kris’s album. But I don’t think Pat’s vocals make it any worse than it was.

    I love HSS, and like Train a lot. They are hot right now, and it’s possible that “featuring Pat from Train” will give this song a boost.

    True, Kris’s voice is much much prettier than Pat’s. But pretty voices are not the norm for guys on the radio, and I’ve always wondered whether Kris’s voice is a little too warm and sweet to make it in the mainstream. Most of the guys voices are edgy (like Pat) or gravelly.

  82. i like it :)

    i do agree though as it sounds like they just pasted pat’s vocals on top of the original. but with the popularity of Hey Soul Sister, i guess Jive wants a “bigger” named person to contribute to gain kris’ popularity: The Truth by Kris Allen feat. Pat Monahan

  83. Seriously, WTAF Jive? Everyone’s focusing on how bad the bridge is – and it is indeed awful and jarring – but I don’t want to give Jive the impression that if they just return Kris to the bridge all will be fine. The song is also amateurishly edited. It’s like a movie that’s cut down for tv broadcast – there are several transitions that are abrupt and it’s obvious where they cut the song for time.

    Jive does not have time to fix this hot mess. They’ve already dithered way to long. They should just release a song that’s actually radio ready, like Alright with Me. You know, Jive, that song which is played in every other Ford car commercial? What’s so difficult to understand about that?

  84. If Pat is singing, I didn’t notice anything so I think it will be fine. If Pat is not on the linked version, is it on YouTube. I think the song is fine in a Need You Now type of vein.

    You can hear Pat on the bridge — at the 2:45 mark on the youtube version. Kris comes back at 3:10.

  85. Like the majority, i don’t like Pat’s addition. It’s just not a good mix. It sounds like if Kris had recorded it with a big sore throat.
    Your verse is a riot Kirsten!!! lol

    They haven’t announce it yet as the second single, so they are checking the reactions… there might be hope it won’t be the 2nd single.. big maybe here!!

    girlygirl, you have a twitter list for tonight?

  86. Kirsten:
    04/23/2010 at 10:07 pm

    Pat-i-Gate. Pat-i-gate
    A&R Man
    Produce me a hit as fast as you can
    Tape it and mash it and send it for adds
    Don’t give a hoot if it makes the fans sads

    OMG!! LOL! Please post that in the comments section of his website.

  87. illuvai i’m glad you are still here – your earlier post after you listened to TT before & after really made my ears perk up! I think you were on to something when you said if peeps hadn’t heard the orig they would like the duet because the song was good! In fact I listened to the youtube (thanks soverymel) and I actually made it to the end without freaking out!!!

    I also remember reading that Cale from KA band really liking the new version!! Maybe it just takes getting used to! Just trying to focus on some positive here – and honestly 2nd time around wasn’t nearly as bad!

  88. LOL! jammasta, good one! thanks girlygirl for the instructions.

    That was Kirsten :).

  89. Still, I don’t think TT will go anywhere on top40 stations. And the fact that LLWD did is a part of what made it a big hit.

  90. they obviously want to ride on Train’s popularity! It’s the only plus. I really don’t know if this is going to work out as a single. TT was really not my first 2nd single pick although i like it a lot in the original version.
    I listen to it again…sigh

  91. I think that maybe Jive is hoping to have better luck with a second single from Kris than they did with Archie’s second single. That’s totally a guess on my part, I haven’t really followed Archie’s career. By adding Pat to the vocals, they’re almost guaranteeing radio play. That can only be good for Kris. This song is one of my least favorite on the album and adding Pat’s vocals to the song doesn’t really affect the way I feel about the song one way or the other. If it gets Kris more radio play, and maybe more album sales as a result, bonus!

  92. they obviously want to ride on Train’s popularity! It’s the only plus. I really don’t know if this is going to work out as a single. TT was really not my first 2nd single pick although i like it a lot in the original version.

    Imo there is not a chance in hell CHR will accept this just because Pat wrote it or is singing the bridge. HAC might but not POP stations… (I hope I am wrong though).

  93. ETA: Obviously Pat is, as he did it, but can he really believe that it’s good?

    I think Pat thinks it’s good because he tweeted a while back when he was recording it how ‘sweet’ it was. Of course, I don’t know if he heard the finished product at that time. His voice on this has none of the richness and emotion that Kris brings, and it ends abruptly.

    Maybe Jive are evil geniuses. They’re putting out this craptastic single (it’s really not that bad, it’s just not as good as Kris’ original) to make people go buy the album so they can get the good version.

  94. I have only heard the original song twice. The bad news is that even though Kris has the superior voice, it’s not THAT obvious that it’s two people singing this, and listeners may think that it’s Kris singing the bridge part (and not sounding so good). Of course die-hard fans can tell, but I (as only a casual fan) couldn’t.

  95. I have only heard the original song twice. The bad news is that even though Kris has the superior voice, it’s not THAT obvious that it’s two people singing this, and listeners may think that it’s Kris singing the bridge part (and not sounding so good). Of course die-hard fans can tell, but I (as only a casual fan) couldn’t.

    oh, you have a good point!! haven’t tought of that and now I feel worse :(

  96. i agree that Pat’s voice is not distinguishable in the song except for the bridge which itself doesn’t have Pat’s unique texture in HSS. Maybe official version will be better.

    Nevertheless, I think it’s a clever commercial move and the fact that Jive is willing to invest in the song (re-do cost and add’l revenue given to Pat) means they believe Kris can sell the song.

  97. I will admit that Pat’s voice on this version is not the best that I’ve heard it, but personally, I love his voice. I can’t believe so many people here don’t! Also, someone mentioned above that they don’t think that CHR will play this just because Pat wrote it and is featured on it. Jive has stated that Kris is a HAC artist so I’m not sure they’re actually shooting for Pop. Maybe they’re thinking that any Pop play is a bonus but that HAC will be a lock with this song. *shrug*

  98. TwigLA – I absolutely love your post – especially the last paragraph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL couldn’t help it! :)

  99. This song will be HUGE! Sounds exactly like a Daughtry “formula” song.

  100. i agree that Pat’s voice is not distinguishable in the song except for the bridge which itself doesn’t have Pat’s unique texture in HSS. Maybe official version will be better.

    Nevertheless, I think it’s a clever commercial move and the fact that Jive is willing to invest in the song (re-do cost and add’l revenue given to Pat) means they believe Kris can sell the song.

    I’ve been listening to the new version over and over, I think you may have a point. I’m actually starting to like it. :)

  101. Maybe Jive are evil geniuses. They’re putting out this craptastic single (it’s really not that bad, it’s just not as good as Kris’ original) to make people go buy the album so they can get the good version

    That’s hilarious! Let’s hope there is something genious about them!

  102. I think the radio edit is an improvement. It’s a pretty boring song sound wise. They cut off the extended opening instrumental:Yay! And while Pat’s vocals don’t make the song great, I don’t think they really hurt it either. Unfortunately, it’s the kind of song that when you put it on while doing something else, it all runs together sound wise. If they pick it as a single, I don’t see it doing well as it doesn’t have a section that has real hum-ability or is particularly memorable.

    I don’t know if it’s under consideration or not, but speaking as a non-fan I think Before We Come Undone is the best song on the album for the next single. The changes in rhythm and vocals make it one of the more interesting songs to listen to and the melody at points during the chorus is catchy enough to keep people listening and turn it hum-able after a few listens.

  103. I don’t think I’ll be able to sleep tonight, I’m so angry. They’re messing with my boy. Are they honestly trying to ruin his career?? When the vocals change on the bridge one starts wondering what happened to Kris’ voice, then you realize it’s another singer, then you wonder what two guys are doing singing about breaking up. Are they TRYING to make this a gay break-up song?? If this is released, that is going to be the emphasis, not the music. The original is beautiful. Honestly, I’m beginning to think that Kris and Cale need to just start their own label. I’m fed up with Jive. I love Kris’ vocals. If I want to listen to Train, I’ll buy their album. What upsets me more is they’re pushing Kris into their version of him. Stick to your guns, Kris. Remember LET IT RAIN….don’t let them do this to you. I would be embarassed to request this on the radio. In fact, as much as I love Kris, I just wouldn’t do it and I definitely would never buy it. And this was a good day – I bought my airline tickets and concert tickets to see Kris in Salt Lake City with Barenaked Ladies in July. Spent over $ 1,000 on everything and I didn’t care… Now this… what a way to upset Kris’ fans, Jive… We’ll see if you can redeem yourself by listening to us…

  104. I’ve been listening to the new version over and over, I think you may have a point. I’m actually starting to like it.

    I think this song will sell. Whether or not listeners know who Pat is doesn’t quite matter in promoting the song to the radio, because radio directors know Pat is lead in Train and are more secured. Once TT is all over the radio, ppl will start looking for more info and will be pleasantly surprised that Train is there which will reinforce the willingness to buy the song.

    I think in the official version Pat’s voice will be more clear in the bridge and because it’s just bridge it will not overshadow Kris’ voice.

    I don’t know why Kris’ fans are upset so much.

  105. new shirt – yay – I know he’s very cute in the white tee, but enough is enough :)

  106. LOL –He’s got no face…but is that a new shirt?

    http://twitpic.com/1hx7wm

    yep a new dark shirt! I like dark shirt :)

    I think in the official version Pat’s voice will be more clear in the bridge and because it’s just bridge it will not overshadow Kris’ voice.

    if it’s the 2nd single, yep i would expect something nicer but it’s not going to happen because THIS is the re-recorded version

  107. I don’t have a good vibe about Jive at all. A few mos earlier, they released Scars as Allison’s 2nd single. Most fans were not happy with that decision and the single went no where real fast, even though she got to debut it on AI.

    Now, The Truth for Kris? Sorry, but this has to one of the weaker tracks on his CD. And I do not see the point of bringing in Pat Monahan and re recording the song. Also, Jive has been taking forever to make up their mind about the follow-up single, and The Truth is the best they can come up with?

  108. Ain’t that the truth Kristen. We wouldn’t be a Kris fan if we didn’t. Even thou I am trying to keep in open mind.Kris looks really nice tonight.

  109. if it’s the 2nd single, yep i would expect something nicer but it’s not going to happen because THIS is the re-recorded version

    i meant the audio quality will be better in those sent to radio stations and for purchase than the one in the website.

  110. pic of crowd at tonight’s concert
    http://twitpic.com/1hx1ie

    Wow, that place is packed. $95 for standing room only tickets is a bit much for me, but I’m glad to see that so many people turned out for the show. Based on the tweets, Kris is killing it, and getting a good reception.

  111. Yeah, how big is that place ?

    The Joint @ The Hard Rock Hotel in Vegas holds 4000. :)

  112. funny/odd fact: yesterday I saw that MC Hammer (Ellis something) twitted to Kris that he might be able to go see tonight’s show.

    There is a lot of people at this show.

  113. ah, if Kris is going to sing TT in AI finale, will he solo or duet w/ Pat? I’m seeing Train in finale.

  114. I don’t know why Kris’ fans are upset so much.

    It’s what we do.

    LOL, yeah that’s right, but the thing is, there is always a reason because it seems he has so many obstacles placed in front of him. And most of them are not his “fault”. Sigh.

    OK, I need to go back to Kris.

  115. Looking at the twitpics from Kris’s concert, is that Drew on drums?

  116. how come y’all aren’t posting some of the fab tweets?? I’m one of those lazy Kris fans they are always talking about on the other site! :)

  117. i meant the audio quality will be better in those sent to radio stations and for purchase than the one in the website.

    yes, that makes sense.
    Geez, we heard before of the re-recording with Pat but it seems it didn’t sink in yet that they obviously were going for the 2nd single with it. Anyway not me! :O

  118. OK, I see people with camera phone in there, hopefully the videos will be good. We’ve been so spoiled lately with great videos of Kris’ concert. I wonder if there will be a duet ? Keith’s concert usually are more than 2 hours.

  119. If Kris appears on the AI finale next month, the evening will not be about him. It will be all about the 2 finalists – and eventual winner. And I do not understand why Jive is pairing Kris with Pat Monahan. Pat Monahan is great, but they should really be pushing Kris as a solo artist, especially after his huge hit with LLWD. I am with the majority, I am not too happy with The Truth being Kris’ second single.

  120. Kris set

    krinja_signal Hard Rock Hotel Setlist (Las Vegas, NV): Heartless/GP, CSA, IIO, RG, The Truth, AWM, LLWD, Come Together

    iheartcarrie @KrisAllen was AMAZING! Ended his set with the Beatles’ song “Come Together!”
    1 minute ago via UberTwitter

    missloribeth @kriaallen you definitely got some new fans in Vegas tonight. Great show!

    krinja_signal Scan of Kris in the Bahamas from this week’s OK! magazine: http://twitpic.com/1hxf9g

  121. Thanks Soverymel, for the YouTube link. I’m not a huge fan of The Truth on KA. Musically, it sounds AC generic to me although I like the lyrics. I like the instrumentals in this version a little better than the album cut, it’s edgier and less string-y. I usually like Train and Pat Monahan’s voice, but he sounds like a mosquito buzzing around in the background on this. Overall, meh.

    I guess I’m just disappointed that it seems The Truth will be the next single and not Alright With Me which is a more distinctive song, and one that Kris co-wrote.

  122. Kris’s set is over. Now the wait to see if Keith has him do a duet at some point. Keith’s sets are usually long, so may be awhile until find that out

  123. LindseyRathjen
    Um I’m a nerd… I totally have a crush on Kris Allen now?…the boy can sing!! (@thejointlv @hardrockhotellv)
    7 minutes ago via UberTwitter

    missloribeth
    @kriaallen you definitely got some new fans in Vegas tonight. Great show!
    1 minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

    lucasguterres Kris Allen ! Até que é bom o danado! http://twitpic.com/1hxf7r
    6 minutes ago via Echofon

    smwbmw
    American idol winner last year Chris Allen opening for Keith Urban… Not bad… (@ The Joint) http://4sq.com/7lOZ1W
    18 minutes ago via foursquare

  124. Kris’s set is over. Now the wait to see if Keith has him do a duet at some point. Keith’s sets are usually long, so may be awhile until find that out

    I would like so much that he brings Kris back for “I kiss a girl” … they were so good together in the final last year :)

  125. awe they really seem to love him.Tweet Kris Allen was awesome.. Jen and I have a crush on his guitarist :) next up: KEITHHHHH

  126. sunbreaksthesay

    #Fight broke out over the setlist Cale tossed into the crowd. Like legitimate. Eek, get me out of here. less than 20 seconds ago via Echofon

  127. I will be shocked if Keith & Kris do not perform a duet – their last one, even though the sound was not perfect, was worth buying for me……..sure hope we get vids of tonight – the Lady A ones were a blast to see!!!!

  128. Kris Allen was awesome.. Jen and I have a crush on his guitarist :) next up: KEITHHHHH

    Which one? Hahaha. I’m glad he got a great reception.

  129. TaylovesKeith

    Kris Allen was awesome.. Jen and I have a crush on his guitarist :) next up: KEITHHHHH <3 4 minutes ago via txt

  130. Carmine

    LOL – probably Andrew, since he’s lead guitarist. But could be either one — both Andrew and Cale are pretty hot (not as hot as Kris, but still…)

  131. sahsouha1
    Kris oh kris .The boy is the hottest thing I ve seen. And his energy is infectious.I took few vids then the guards threteaned me twice 2stop
    3 minutes ago via Echofon

    seems it was hard to film at the venue… hope we’ll still have some vids

  132. sunbreakstheday

    #Kris couldn’t make it over to Cale during CT because the mic wouldn’t reach, but they made major heart eyes during that whole part. 3 minutes ago via Echofon

    EDIT:

    oh no…

    #A girl was injured. Security escorted two people out. :/ 1 minute ago via Echofon

  133. you are a sweetie Mtlfan! :) I hope that last tweet over the fight was evil twitter & not the truth – geesh!

  134. I would say that Cale is a bit more handsome than Andrew, but it’s all a matter of taste!

  135. #Kris couldn’t make it over to Cale during CT because the mic wouldn’t reach, but they made major heart eyes during that whole part. 3 minutes ago via Echofon

    Hahaha. I wish there’s a video of this.

  136. #Kris couldn’t make it over to Cale during CT because the mic wouldn’t reach, but they made major heart eyes during that whole part. 3 minutes ago via Echofon

    what? mics are not wireless nowadyas?

    thanks MrsB :D

  137. Another tweet about how security really tight in terms of taking videos at tonight’s concert.

  138. MrsB

    I know the person who tweeted that about the fight…she wouldn’t make stuff up

  139. Kris’s underwear made a few appearances tonight, evidently. LOL — that happened a lot during the AI tour, too

    #First thing the girl behind me said when Kris came out….WOAH HE IS REALLY HOT. Also red CK underwear. Seen alot during CT. O_O less than a minute ago via Echofon

    EDIT:

    and people must be getting restless waiting on Keith Urban…or they’re drunk (or both) — because a 2nd fight just got reported on twitter

  140. and people must be getting restless waiting on Keith Urban…or they’re drunk (or both) — because a 2nd fight just got reported on twitter

    wow! geez what’s going on there? That’s weird!

    ETA:
    AprilJoys @calevis24 the setlist you tossed into the crowd caused a girlfight! Only at a country show. (I was uninvolved :D)
    3 minutes ago via Echofon

  141. Also, Kris usually starts his set with the heartless mashup but tonight he started with Can’t Stay Away (with guitar, for those of you who care)

  142. hazel_eyes11

    #guy Kris fan pissed because AI never mentions Kris LOL. Also upset that he didnt know about Lady A show less than a minute ago via txt

  143. Hmmm….I think this explains it. I have another set of leaked minutes from the head office of Sony (don’t ask. Most of the stuff I see would make you curl into the fetal position or wander the streets with matted hair wearing nothing but a “The End is Near” sign):

    Date: March 31st, 2010
    Location: Sony Head Office
    Present: David Gordon, Barry Weiss, Rob Stringer, Clive Davis
    Duration: 10 minutes

    Gordon: What the [deleted] is up with that Lady Anti-bum group? They are all over the [deleted] charts. There is no rapping. There is no autotune effects. There aren’t even any [deleted] dance [deleted] beats.

    Stringer: You know that happens, Dave. Sometimes songs just slip through. We are having some successes of our own.

    Gordon: [deleted] that. We need more successes. I want to know how we can copy that. Faxon over at EMI is probably laughing his a$$ off at us. It probably cost all of 50 cents to record and the video looks like it was shot for $10 and a six-pack of Coors and it is making a [deleted] mint.

    Davis: Well, if you’d put me back in charge of RCA, I have some ideas that would work.

    Gordon: [deleted] Clive. Give it a rest. I don’t have any [deleted] time to record something new. Besides, you’d probably add some [deleted] horns and that ain’t what we’re looking for. We need some acoustic [deleted] love-sick song. Barry, what have you got?

    Weiss: Well, there is that one song that the kid who won Idol has on his album.

    Gordon: [deleted]

    Weiss: No. No. It’s really good. It was written by Pat Monahan from Train and you know how their song is blowing up all over the place.

    Gordon: Tell me more.

    Weiss: Well, it’s acoustic and it’s about a guy who is in a relationship and it’s failing and neither wants to admit the truth. And it’s got this great line about floors crumbling and walls tumbling and holding up the ceiling. It will work. Trust me.

    Gordon: Well, is it a duet? Everything is a duet these days. We need a duet. That Lady whatever song is some kind of duet or a menage trois or some such [deleted]

    Weiss: No, it’s just a solo. But maybe we can find a female artist to record some of the bits. That would make it like “Need You Now”.

    Gordon: [deleted] that. We don’t have time to find somebody. Just get that Pat chick to record the other half of the duet. She already knows the lyrics and we can build some story around her writing the song. Blah. Blah. Blah. Plant some story about an affair between the two or something.

    Stringer: Uh. Dave.

    Gordon: Look Rob, I don’t give a flying [deleted] about what your [deleted] artists thinks about [deleted] duets. Get her can in the studio by Friday. And all of you, get the [deleted] out of my office. It’s time for me to have my yoga class.

  144. Kirsten LOL I hope you write comedy for a living because it’s a shame if you’re not getting money for your talent!!!

  145. Ok, I’m having trouble listening to the new version of The Truth. What am I doing wrong?

    ETA: NVM – listening now

  146. \o/ !

    missloribeth

    #@krisallen you definitely got some new fans in Vegas tonight. Great show! 2 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

  147. Kirsten, I tried not to laugh, almost succeeded till the last three words. lol you are good!

  148. #@krinjas lady next to me said he has amazing stage presence. She liked Kris on Idol 9 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

    Keith Urban already did Kiss A Girl — no Kris. So maybe they won’t duet, then

  149. As someone upthread noted, featuring other artists on songs is a hot gimmick at the moment. Look at the Top 15 songs on the Billboard Hot 100, roughly half of them feature another artist:

    #1 Nothin’ On You – BoB feat. Bruno Mars
    #4 Break Your Heart – Taio Cruz feat. Ludacris
    #7 Telephone – Lady GaGa feat. Beyonce
    #8 OMG – Usher feat. Will.i.am
    #12 Airplanes – BoB feat. Hayley Williams
    #13 My Chick Bad – Ludacris feat. Nicki Minaj
    #15 Say Aah – Trey Songz feat. Fabolous

    Plus, Hey Soul Sister by Train is currently #3. I agree that when Pat M. first transitions into the song, it’s a little jarring and he’s slightly out of sync in one of the choruses, but I was listening for his voice. The average casual listener will not scrutinize the song so closely.

    Jive is not trying to sabotage Kris here. In fact they’re trying to position his second single for success by associating him with a successful artist. True, not everyone knows who Pat M. is (though they may know Train) but the PD’s and dj’s do and it will give them something to discuss on air when they introduce the song. Kris fans may like his version better but it was too long for radio and this version isn’t that different from the original.

    The only issue with this song is that it’s more HAC than Pop, but still it’s probably the second strongest single on the album and I predict it will do well if they release it.

  150. Keith Urban already did Kiss A Girl — no Kris. So maybe they won’t duet, then

    big sigh …… i was hoping for a nice video of the duet

  151. Listening to it – I agree with the comment that it’s really hard to tell the difference between Pat and Kris. Kris sounds better and distinct, but Pat sounds like a “slightly off” version of Kris. Typically any “duet” will have very different vocalists (who nevertheless complement each other).

    However, the song actually reminds me of something I might hear from Daughtry, so in that sense, it might do well on radio. Though it’s no where near as catchy as LLWD, and I agree there were many better songs to pick above this one.

    Still, if Daughtry can get all the airplay off of (imo) songs that kind of sound the same like NS and LAY, this might work too. And I agree this song was likely chosen because the Train connection made it an easier sell to radio – meaning cheaper to push, my guess.

  152. I think this song is very radio friendly, I like it!
    I think it will be a huge hit especially on HAC and yes!! The Train connection will help it a lot with the DJ and non idol fans, I think at the end it’s a good marketing strategic (even the Train guy’s voice sounds estrange in this song)
    Anyway, I think Kris will be fine and after all is what we want :)

  153. LaurelG – Yessssss to your post – it is much easier for me to digest, thank you, I like the way you think!!!!!!!!!!!

  154. #1 Nothin’ On You – BoB feat. Bruno Mars
    #4 Break Your Heart – Taio Cruz feat. Ludacris
    #7 Telephone – Lady GaGa feat. Beyonce
    #8 OMG – Usher feat. Will.i.am
    #12 Airplanes – BoB feat. Hayley Williams
    #13 My Chick Bad – Ludacris feat. Nicki Minaj
    #15 Say Aah – Trey Songz feat. Fabolous

    Yes, collabs are popular, but you’ll notice they’re very heavily focused in R&B and Hip Hop, not HAC.

    However, I do think the only reason this was selected as the single is the Train connection, which makes it an easier and cheaper sell to radio. It’s a safer bet essentially, even if it’s not the strongest next single from the album.

  155. maybe Keith & Kris practiced another duet………I’m not giving up yet!!

  156. #Damn Keith urben is quite cute too! He just gave a shout out to kris Allen 7 minutes ago via Echofon

    #@yobench Give it up for Kris Allen! half a minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® in reply to yobench

  157. Ok, I listened to The Truth- I think it sounds very radio friendly.

    But I must sheepishly add that I was waiting to hear where the other guy, Pat, comes in, and then the song ended and I realized I have no idea which parts were sung by him… and I thought I knew Kris’ voice well enough… hmmm…. well, I guess that won’t be a problem once the video comes out!

  158. I don’t get how this song will sell a lot if it won’t chart on pop. I guess it will do alright on HAC but Kris has tons of songs that can do alright on HAC, the trick is to keep up his presence on the biggest radio format, pop. Which LLWD did. And therefore sold well. I don’t think TT is a good choice at all.

  159. Oh, god, why?

    I actually didn’t have any trouble picking out Pat in this… and that wasn’t a good thing. It was completely, genuinely jarring. (I don’t know why; the Truth isn’t the most rotated Kris song on my iPod or anything) The song does not lend itself to this at all. I mean, come on now…

    I know it’s an issue of branding and marketing, but I just wish they would push a second single for Kris and try and use that without so blatantly try and grab at the fanbases of other artists. Newsflash to 19R; you do that by having music that appeals to that fanbase, not by dragging the other artists kicking and screaming into your artist’s track.

    Yikes.

    In theory, I was going to be OK with the second single, because I think the whole album has a lot of solid potential, even possibly to pop as opposed to simply HAC. But this… really? Ugh. Poor Kris, who I don’t think for a second wanted this. It’s such crappy treatment of him as an artist and as a human being.

  160. Listening to the radio edit of TT, I think it’s just ok. Not great but not bad. I’m not a Kris fan so not really familiar with his songs (although I bought his CD to support Kris), I only listened to the CD once and gave it to my 12 yo son. He likes most of the songs and put some on his iphone.
    Anyway, in my opinion, TT is a good song but sang by Kris, it sounded boring, sorry JMO. Those kind of songs better suited for rough vocals, so by adding Pat’s vocals, it sounded a little rough?
    If Jive wants to release it as the second single and made an extra effort to tweak it a bit, then I am optimistic they will support it and promote it.

    On Archie’s part, Jive already decided on the second single but was swayed by fan opinion, so they changed it at the last minute. It turned out a mistake. It never took off. Jive didn’t support it either, maybe they were mad? lol. Luckily Radio Disney played it a lot, so the album picked up another 100T copies probably mostly from tweens? lol.

    So lesson learned: Sometimes, maybe Jive knew what they’re doing?
    “Need You Now” is hot right now. HeySS is also hot now, Kris’ first single is also a success, so maybe they want to ride the wave? EMO tune with Train’s and Kris’ radio popularity. Sounds like a great plan to me.

  161. I haven’t listened to the new TT yet. I’ll try to postpone it as long as possible. I need to read all the comments first.

    Kris’ The Truth (after Red Guitar) is my absolute favorite. It is killing me that JIVE doesn’t have enough trust in Kris to sell the song alone. Why gave it to him then ? It’s so disappointing.
    The pessimist in me is thinking that whoever it is want to sabotage Kris so that once again they can point at Kris as being a failure.

    On second thought, I’m not going to listen to the new version.
    If they release it as the next single, maybe…

  162. oh yeah, I forgot that Hey Soul Sister is a Train song…that explains why they picked that song. They are hoping to cash in on the Train love.

  163. I don’t get how this song will sell a lot if it won’t chart on pop. I guess it will do alright on HAC but Kris has tons of songs that can do alright on HAC, the trick is to keep up his presence on the biggest radio format, pop. Which LLWD did. And therefore sold well. I don’t think TT is a good choice at all.

    yeah. I agree about the radio analysis here. Also, I think that The Truth is kind of a bummer of a song for spring and summer weather. they should re-record Alright With Me and feature someone if the idea is to get a “feat.” credit on the next single. I do think that issuing The Truth will pretty much kill the album for Kris. And Jive really can’t wait any longer; LLWD has crested and is coming down now.

    Why is Kris doing so few shows this summer?

  164. Ok well I listened to the “new” version. Ann I haven’t heard the old one yet. But I think it will do well on radio it is very similar to what is out there right now. To the casual listener you really don’t get a jarring effect when it switches from Kris to Pat and back. It really isn’t bad IMHO I think it will do well….though ready your posts Kristen hahaha gay lovers elephants in the room hahaha

    But really guys I don’t think you have to worry it really does sound like stuff already playing and having “that Train guy” on it will help not hidder…IMHO YMMV

  165. Although I will say that Jive is more brave than RCA, since it’s not afraid to release a song featuring gay lovers.

    Kirsten, point for you! OMG – LMAO at this one!

  166. sahsouha1 Ok.. Kris was wearing blue shirt..blue jeans..grey shirt underneath .. Red brief btwn LMAO….
    about 1 hour ago via Echofon

    I hope some of these people that like watching Kris will check out his album. Please .

    I guess there is a video of Come Together ? I want to see the red brief. :) My morale needs some pick up.

  167. Although I will say that Jive is more brave than RCA, since it’s not afraid to release a song featuring gay lovers.

    bwahahha…. it doesn’t work like this since the lyrics are both from the same side of the relationship … it’s like both guys living the same situation (whatever sexual orientation it is)

  168. i’m slowly digesting this new thing. Will think more clearly 2morrow. G’night

  169. Why is Kris doing so few shows this summer?

    Suzanne, the schedule is not complete yet. Kris + band are supposed to open for a huge cool artist this summer. Who is it? That we don’t know yet!!

  170. Kris + band are supposed to open for a huge cool artist this summer. Who is it? That we don’t know yet!!

    maybe Train.

  171. Suzanne

    ??? He’s not…he’s got a bunch of gigs already scheduled opening for Keith Urban, BNL and Daughtry as well as some solo ones and supposedly he’s starting his full tour in June (although who knows when we’ll ever get info about when/where)

  172. A popular guess for the mystery act is Maroon 5, because I guess at least one of the guys in Kris’s band knows someone in Maroon 5 and Andrew follows them (on Facebook, maybe> IDK). IDK if they meet the qualification of being “as big as but cooler than” John Mayer, though

  173. BeckyMD, I know that Train will share stage with John Mayer for quite a few dates this summer

  174. bwahahha…. it doesn’t work like this since the lyrics are both from the same side of the relationship … it’s like both guys living the same situation (whatever sexual orientation it is)

    Well, still closer than what Adam’s allowed to get away with, I guess ;-)

  175. Kris and Keith are singing “Boys of the Summer” together!!!

  176. YES YES YES! Keith and Kris dueting on acoustic version of Boys of Summer — and it sounds like someone was able to video it!

  177. I remember people not being that optimistic about LLWD when it wasn’t selling that much and very few radio stations were picking it up. But, it worked out eventually. I’m just hoping for the best.

    Ok, my completely subjective opinion on this: LLWD had an insanely catchy chorus, which I immediately pegged as a strong hit contender. TT is nowhere near as catchy or hooky HOWEVER it does ride on the Train train (lol) and thus could get an easier in on radio than, say, something that was 100% Kris on the album. So, while I don’t think it’s quite catchy enough (especially the chorus) to be HUGE, it could do quite nicely, especially on HAC.

  178. Well, still closer than what Adam’s allowed to get away with, I guess

    :) …. hmm there’s nothing sexual though

  179. YES YES YES! Keith and Kris dueting on acoustic version of Boys of Summer — and it sounds like someone was able to video it!

    SQUEEEEEEEE … Yessssss, love that
    MrsB, you were right!!

  180. Ok, my completely subjective opinion on this: LLWD had an insanely catchy chorus, which I immediately pegged as a strong hit contender. TT is nowhere near as catchy or hooky HOWEVER it does ride on the Train train (lol) and thus could get an easier in on radio than, say, something that was 100% Kris on the album. So, while I don’t think it’s quite catchy enough (especially the chorus) to be HUGE, it could do quite nicely, especially on HAC.

    I agree with you Mary. Also the song is rather dark and I think it’s more successful on pop when it’s on the lighter side (i can be wrong though.. expecting examples proving me wrong :p)
    The pluses are it’s strong melodic line, strong enough lyrics and the strongest of all.. it’s intensity

  181. picture of the duet

    http://twitpic.com/1hyjr7

    Wow, Kris is front and center. I need to remember how that song goes. Really, when did Kris have time to practice all this thing ?
    I can’t wait for the video .

  182. Wow, Kris is front and center. I need to remember how that song goes.

    If you do nothing else, watch the music vid of the song! Brilliant!

  183. skgPR
    @KeithUrban & #KrisAllen singing acoustic version of Eagles’ Boys of Summer. Great encore!
    18 minutes ago via UberTwitter

    RemingtonKropp
    Met kris allen he is a really nice and a great performer
    18 minutes ago via web

    Smilin29
    Kurban and Kris Allen singing “Boys of Summer”. Definitely cool!
    15 minutes ago via txt

    SebastianKropp
    The @KeithUrban and @KrisAllen show was great. Keith is a sick guitar player.
    11 minutes ago via web

    Whobugs
    Kurban and Kris Allen sang Don Henley’s Boys of Summer and all I can say is ahhhhhhhhhh fantastico :)
    3 minutes ago via txt

  184. A popular guess for the mystery act is Maroon 5, because I guess at least one of the guys in Kris’s band knows someone in Maroon 5 and Andrew follows them (on Facebook, maybe> IDK). IDK if they meet the qualification of being “as big as but cooler than” John Mayer, though

    Because they’re not as big? They’re certainly cooler (but these days, who isn’t?)…

  185. Wow, Kris is front and center. I need to remember how that song goes.

    If you do nothing else, watch the music vid of the song! Brilliant!

    OK, I’ve seen the video. Thanks. Ohhh, I can just picture and hear them singing it. The video should be awesome.
    And that big screen with Kris, he’s just beautiful.
    And I actually am glad that they sang a different song than Kiss the girl.

  186. I’m not really a concert goer, but is it usual that the opening act, especially someone new like Kris to be invited to sing a duet w/ the main act ?

    I watched Keith with Carrie opening about 2 years ago, and they did a duet, but Carrie was already CARRIE U w/ Grammys and millions of albums sold.

  187. i hope this “new version” is simply a gimmick to get people to go on kris’ official site. it worked :P

    AWM would do wonders for the summer season in my opinion.

  188. I don’t understand why people aren’t hearing the difference in the bridge between Kris and Pat. LOL. I told hubby what was going on and he asked to listen to it since he loves HSS and Train. Yeah, he said it wasn’t good. Oh he doesn’t listen to Kris as much as I do, not the fan I am. I truly feel his opinion is non-biased.

    I posted on the site (as if they’ll listen) that if they have presented this song, with PM added, to PDs of larger formats and they like it and will play it, then by all means go forward with it. I want to allow for the fact that I and possibly others could be wrong, but I also want them to go with a sure thing (as much as possible). I’m hoping that Jive is either doing their HW and making sure this does well, or goes w/ the original or another single.

    Kirsten, love the memo! You’re hilarious! Love the part, (probably not exact) “Well the kid who won last year….”response: [deleted]. ROFLMAO!!!! I’d bet Tina Fey would love you as writer!!

  189. bwahahha…. it doesn’t work like this since the lyrics are both from the same side of the relationship … it’s like both guys living the same situation (whatever sexual orientation it is)

    Well, still closer than what Adam’s allowed to get away with, I guess

    I know, right? And people say irony is dead.

  190. Nope. New version does not work AT ALL.
    AWM for SECOND SINGLE! JIVE, it’s time to WAKE UP!!!!!

  191. Kris has already had one disaster with NB and he does not need another one so early in his career while he is trying to build a fanbase. Jive must not have gotten the press release that Kris just signed a major music publishing deal with UMP. They seem to have faith his music can stand on its own. Why doesn’t Jive? Kris needs to be known for his music and people are not going to connect with him as an artist using gimmicks. If they were going to do a duet I would have rather they took CSA and had Jamie Foxx do a rap in the middle of it.

  192. Ratna12:
    04/24/2010 at 5:43 am
    Keith and Kris: Boys of Summer
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y5pth5QpgM

    WOW! That is awesome. It’s amazing how fandom works.. I feel both giddy (kreith video) and concerned (the Truth remix) at 6:00 a.m. in the morning. I have a feeling that everything will work out just fine for Kris.

  193. tripp_ncwy:
    04/24/2010 at 5:54 am

    Kris has already had one disaster with NB and he does not need another one so early in his career while he is trying to build a fanbase. Jive must not have gotten the press release that Kris just signed a major music publishing deal with UMP. They seem to have faith his music can stand on its own. Why doesn’t Jive? Kris needs to be known for his music and people are not going to connect with him as an artist using gimmicks. If they were going to do a duet I would have rather they took CSA and had Jamie Foxx do a rap in the middle of it.

    OMG! I thought about that exact duet the other day. I can really see how that can work. Having a random guy show up in the middle of a totally emotional song just doesn’t work for me. It just seems so odd. The great remixes actually make sense, this one does not. It sounds exactly like what it is.. Throwing another person in there just to say that they are a feature.

  194. Kris has already had one disaster with NB and he does not need another one so early in his career while he is trying to build a fanbase.

    I don’t think NB really counts. It’s success or failure did not have any effect on Kris’ career, but yes, NB in itself is a disaster.
    Like Adam’s first single is FYE and not TFM, Kris’ 1st single is LLWD, which wasn’t really a ‘disaster’.

  195. Aahh, both guitar guys are so good. Kris, so proud of you. Amazing !
    Love minutes 3:45.

    I loved Kiss A Girl and I love this even more. Kris and Keith are just wonderful together. Thanks so much for this video.

  196. Reading the early fans’ reactions to the song I thought they had done something terrible to it, but having listened to the song, I think those reactions only show that fans aren’t always the best judge. I think the new version is an improvement on the original, sounding tighter and richer, and there is really not much difference in the vocal between Pat and Kris, except that there’s less of the annoying squeak in Pat’s voice.

    I thought there would be little chance that The Truth can succeed as a single originally, but this new version might stand a better chance. Still not a great choice though if it’s to be the new single.

  197. I watched this thing 3 times already.
    It is amazing that just by a little changes , somehow Kris made it different and fit his style. I love it.

    And thanks so much for whoever took the video. Great quality.

  198. OK, who blew up the servers at KAO,

    “The site is currently not available due to technical problems. Please try again later. Thank you for your understanding.”

  199. OK, who blew up the servers at KAO,

    “The site is currently not available due to technical problems. Please try again later. Thank you for your understanding.”

    Maybe too many angry Kris’s fans are bombarding the website now? lol

    ETA: Seriously my first time seeing so many comments on the official website. But it’s good to know that Kris’s fans channel their energy to support Kris for the right reason compared to some other cray-cray fanbase. Oh wait maybe Kris’s fans should start a petition against The Truth as the second single? Petition always work miracles!

  200. My take on the re-recorded TT is that as much as I can understand that Jive is trying to expose Kris to Train’s fans, I really don’t think their voices mesh well together. Moreover, it’s just so weird that two guys are dueting on a love ballad!

    TT is a good song but not sure whether it can be considered radio-friendly. I always feel that to pick a single, one important criteria would be how radio-friendly the song is. Songs like “Alright With Me”, “Written All Over My Face” are great and catchy, though my personal favorite is “From the Ashes” (I could never understand why this song is not included in his physical album).

  201. Well I’m not a huge Kris fan (I don’t even own his album) but I liked LLWD and I like this. It doesn’t sound that different from the original version and Train is huge right now. Why not add a little buzz to the song.

    This isn’t as catchy as LLWD but I can def see it doing well especially on HAC. The only negative is that this version isn’t on the album. They may be giving up on Kris as an album seller and just working the singles career.

    Guys in bands duet on tons of ballads. What’s so odd about it. They’re singing together not at each other like No Air.

    Duets with Lady A and Kris Urban. Kris is having a nice life.

    edit

  202. I’m with jpfan… The song sounds fine.

    I think it will do fine on radio. I wish they would do a duet of Fever for Adam, with GaGa. Maybe then radio would play it!

    If having this dude on kris’s single makes it a bigger hit, more power to it.

    edit

  203. I agree with lorismile and jpfan. I totally missed all of this last night while wrapped up in another thread. I’m sort of an outsider when it comes to Kris; I don’t follow him a whole lot, so I’m sort of fresh ears to this and it sounds fine IMO. People outside of the Idol blog bubble will care less it’s been re-recorded. Bottom line, does it sound good? Yes. Will radio play it? Yes. Will Train help it sell? Yes. So it’s all good, and everything will be fine. :)

  204. Well I still don’t really care for it. But am going to be open minded and hope Jive know what the hell there doing.I only listen to it twice. First time hate it,second time,I still didn’t like it much but the hate went away.Maybe it just has to grow on me. I think it’s just that am so use to the original one.And this one is still a little of a shock to me. And do we know yet that this is going to be his next single? It probably well be but who knows.Until we know for sure am just going to try to listen to it a few more times later today to see if I changed my mind.

  205. Reminder:

    Comment on the subject, not on the commenters. No judgments on fellow poster, please.

  206. Oops, didn’t mean to imply folks couldn’t dig this. But I think the commercial outlook for the song is pretty good. It’s actually my favorite of the Kris songs I’ve heard to date.

    I think 19 makes deals with songwriters to get album material. I think that’s one reason why neither Cook or Kris got a co-write as a single.

  207. “No boundaries” by Kris Allen went to #11 in Hot 100 and is doing very well internationally. It was not a disaster at all. Unless you mean Adam’s version that was also released and went nowhere…

  208. Train is huge right now. Why not add a little buzz to the song.

    Because they are in the same category like Creed and Nickelback named douchbag-bands? you have 1 reason right here:)

  209. I completely love Hey Soul Sister. So if that’s douchebag music, I dig it.
    I hate Creed though. :)

  210. I am not a Kris fan but I like the guy and LLWD is catchy even though it could doesn’t really sell Kris to me. However this song makes no sense to me as a single. I forgot it as soon as I heard it, I couldn’t even remember the melody. AWM is so catchy, and even better than LLWD IMO. And that singer singing the bridge in the middle seems really out of place. This was not well done, IMO. I hope it does well but the song sounded boring.

  211. Listen, I can kind of almost understand the reason behind why Jive did this. I see them thinking – Train has a huge hit song right now, Pat Monahan wrote The Truth, let’s piggyback on the success of Hey Soul Sister by having Pat sing on The Truth.

    One of the main problems with this (never-minding the hugely awkward end result of this mashup) is that Hey Soul Sister and The Truth are completely different songs that sound nothing alike. Hey Soul Sister is a happy, light, love song where The Truth is an intense, emotional ballad. Hey Soul Sister has sold millions of downloads, but also if I’m not mistaken, Train has sold less copies of their recent album than Kris. If that’s the case it suggests casual fans are buying hey Soul Sister not a devoted Train fan base who are automatically going to snatch up something that Pat Monahan has a hand in. So I really don’t see the success of Hey Soul Sister automatically translating to The Truth.

  212. I just don’t see Train or Pat having the radio presence to help another artist with radioplay. They’re no Gaga or JT.

  213. Okay. I’ve calmed down after my initial rage of yesterday. I’ve listened to it again… and ARGHHHH… I still hate it. I was listening to my IPod while getting dressed this morning and “Let It Rain” came on. It almost made me cry because I mentioned the song in a post I did yesterday, that it illustrates Kris’ resolve to stay true to himself. There seems to be a lot of pressure that is being put on Kris to do things “their way.” All I can say is, please, please Kris, trust yourself and your own music. I don’t agree that we need to “leave this to the professionals in the music business” when they obviously chose the wrong songs for Allison and have seemed to miss the tide in getting a second single out for Kris. How can we say they know what they’re doing when they are alienating fans, those who are sure to buy his music and introduce it to their friends. Makes no sense. It’s definitely not alright with me. Now…I’m going to stop and go watch the Keith and Kris video again and think happier thoughts… the duet was awesome, by the way…that’s the way a duet should be done…

  214. I don’t know why Jive is so intent on cluttering up all of Kris’s releases with stink from other artists.
    First the whole Script cover/not a cover kerfkuffle with LLWD and now arbitrarily inserting Pat M in TT just because?

    I don’t like this song as a single to start with, but this whole redo just to be able to drop the name “Train” reeks of lack of confidence for Kris to make it on his own merit. If they truly want to market him as a “singer/songwriter” then a good place to start would be with something he actually had a writing credit on -there are so many other tracks that would be so much better.

    Never mind selling a single that doesn’t even appear on the album. How’s that going to affect the album sales or have they given up trying?
    Sure beats me, the whole thing is just a bad move IMO.

  215. I just don’t see Train or Pat having the radio presence to help another artist with radioplay. They’re no Gaga or JT.

    True, but I doubt GaGa or JT was available. :)

    If the options were: Kris alone or Kris + Pat (Train) – I still think they’d go for that extra spark from having another (more) successful artist in a collab. A little bonus and the djs can connect the dots for the listeners, i.e. “And, now a new song from Kris Allen, featuring Pat Monahan of the Train whose last song, Hey Soul Sister, reached #3 on the charts … blah, blah.”

  216. I get why fans are sad, but this just makes me think about what went on behind the scenes.

    For all we know, maybe Jive had conversations with PDs that indicated that none of the remaining tracks were likely to get strong Pop airplay. (I’ve read a lot of comments that the album feels more HAC). I wouldn’t be surprised if they were told by their radio contacts that this collaboration would up the chances of airplay on pop. I like the original version of the song, but felt that it was too long for radio – I think this new version tightens some of those issues so that it is more viable.

    To me, this has no reflection on the quality of Kris’ album (which I quite enjoy) – it is just a reflection that his songs may not be the best format fit for radio and that he is not yet a pop staple that can easily shoot up the charts. To me, this move says that Jive is trying. Whether it pays off is a completely different question.

    For the record, I would have liked them to give Alright With Me a shot.

  217. I don’t think NB really counts. It’s success or failure did not have any effect on Kris’ career, but yes, NB in itself is a disaster.
    Like Adam’s first single is FYE and not TFM, Kris’ 1st single is LLWD, which wasn’t really a ‘disaster’.

    I might be alone in this but for me (for you) the first single is the first song released after the idol finale. Then any song released after that counts as a single, too. LLWD is the first single off of the album but it’s his second single overall.
    So, in my estimation, WWFM is Adam’s fifth single. Everything counts because if NB had been a ‘Magic Rainbow’, we’d be counting it in the win column.

  218. I never imagined this track as a single (I was thinking more “Alright with me”) and am disappointed the label appears to be going in this direction.

    There’s nothing inherently wrong in adding Pat Monahan to the track except, well, his voice is not produced in the same manner as Kris’ and so it doesn’t sound like an organic part of the track.

  219. Jim C. tweet:

    Honesty is honestly the hardest thing for me right now. :/
    14 minutes ago via web

    !!

  220. Jim C. tweet:

    Honesty is honestly the hardest thing for me right now. :/
    14 minutes ago via web

    Didn’t Jim C tweet the exact same one after AL’s AMA performance ?

  221. Keith & Kris duet is how a duet should be sung. Their vocals worked well together, the harmonies were spot on. I believe THE TRUTH needs to work the harmonies better between Kris and Pat. I believe Pat went into the studio and they worked his voice into the original version. When I listened to it, I could hardly make out the harmonies, not hearing Pat’s voice clearly. That definitely needs to be improved. Take Pat off the bridge — do not pass go, do not collect $200.00. His voice is NOT GOOD on this part and it is definitely in-your-face obvious after listening to Kris singing. Again, I say this as a TRAIN fan. I’m listening with my ears, not my heart. I was really excited about THE TRUTH w/Pat M. and couldn’t wait to hear it. This was quite a disappointment.

    Jive needs to work out the harmonies, fix the ending so it’s not so abrupt and take Pat off the bridge. Pat Monahan/Train connection will still be there without sucking the life out of the song. Waiting to see how this all works out …

    It really doesn’t upset me, though, as I see Kris Allen out there performing his heart out with Lady A., Keith Urban, One Republic, et al, and I know it’s just the beginning. I like how this is all going for him. It’s all good and that coming from a half-glass empty mentality.

  222. Jive needs to work out the harmonies, fix the ending so it’s not so abrupt and take Pat off the bridge.

    The abrupt ending could be intentional to prevent people from ripping an HQ version of the song online. This has happened before (maybe with Allison’s streaming songs earlier?) where they ended very abruptly like that.

  223. druzilla:
    There’s nothing inherently wrong in adding Pat Monahan to the track except, well, his voice is not produced in the same manner as Kris’ and so it doesn’t sound like an organic part of the track.

    This. druzilla, you are spot-on…Pat’s voice just doesn’t fit with the rest of the song. Plus, TT has never been one of my favs on the album.

    As far as the 2nd single, this is my opinion based on 30 years of marketing experience…either Red Guitar or AWM. With Red Guitar, Kris wrote it and it has a good background story that can be used to promote it…Kris talking about it as well as DJ’s. Plus…I love this arrangement on the record. Regarding AWM, I love, love, love this song, makes me happy when I hear it, think it’s radio friendly, plus it’s been teased to the public with the Ford commercials. And he performs it so well.

    I also just love IIO, love the 3/4 beat, and has a bit of a C/W sound, so would make a great cross-over song with Country fans. And he has writing credit on all three songs. That’s what they need to start promoting Kris with now…especially with him signing with Universal. Just seems logical to me.

  224. I think it will do fine on radio. I wish they would do a duet of Fever for Adam, with GaGa. Maybe then radio would play it!

    Oh, man – this would make my life if this could actually happen! (sorry, momentary Adam diversion – lol)

  225. I’m thinking that this guest appearance on Kris’ song (that Pat Monahan wrote) is to bolster Pat’s popularity and sales boost for Train, not the other way around.

    Those who don’t follow Kris and haven’t heard his album version or him singing this in concert are saying it’s ‘fine’. For a second single you don’t want ‘fine’ you want something to blow people away. Pat singing the bridge is a jolt and flattens the emotion that Kris built. The song also doesn’t have the rich ending the original does., it just ends abruptly.

    Maybe they’re gearing up for Kris to tour with Train and that’s what is behind it. I guess we’ll have to wait and see. Does anyone follow Train fans and know their reaction? I don’t mean people from here who say the like Train, I mean the real Train fan sites and twitter.

  226. I also just love IIO, love the 3/4 beat, and has a bit of a C/W sound, so would make a great cross-over song with Country fans. And he has writing credit on all three songs. That’s what they need to start promoting Kris with now…especially with him signing with Universal. Just seems logical to me.

    Suzaustin, I’d take ‘Is It Over’ as the next single in a heartbeat. I love that song. It’s sexy and well crafted. I agree with all you said in your post.

  227. Totally agree with you, TwigLA, ‘Is It Over’ is definitely sexy! And Ratna12, thanks so much for the video of Red Guitar. Kris’ voice is so smooth and emotional in this performance. Love it!

  228. Since there are some mentions of the ‘secret’ tour opener has anyone suggested Robert Plant? He’s going to tour LZ songs with an ‘Americana’ twist. Could be cool and interesting, imo. ;)

  229. Luv I so agree with you. Why fix it if it’s not broke.I just checkover at his website it has around 360 comments.

  230. There’s nothing inherently wrong in adding Pat Monahan to the track except, well, his voice is not produced in the same manner as Kris’ and so it doesn’t sound like an organic part of the track.

    I agree, the biggest problem is that this is just a clumsy remix of the song. I expected much better from a professional recording studio!

  231. Train guy or no Train guy, the lyric “It’s the elephant in the room/And we pretend that we don’t see it” really sticks in my head.

  232. Pulled comments over from the Pulse Music Board

    saga wrote:Have this been posted?

    http://www.wtmx.com/emerge.php

    If you look at their playlist for friday night, they played every song on that list EXCEPT for The Truth. Not sure what that means. Maybe they heard it, decided it was too terrible even for the time frame when they play experimental new music.

    After not playing TT friday night, they played LLWD like 5 times in the next 12 hours.

  233. Pulled comments over from the Pulse Music Board

    saga wrote:Have this been posted?

    http://www.wtmx.com/emerge.php

    If you look at their playlist for friday night, they played every song on that list EXCEPT for The Truth. Not sure what that means. Maybe they heard it, decided it was too terrible even for the time frame when they play experimental new music.

    After not playing TT friday night, they played LLWD like 5 times in the next 12 hours.

    the only positive is LLWD being played those 5 times; the rest is scary..

  234. http://www.wtmx.com/emerge.php

    If you look at their playlist for friday night, they played every song on that list EXCEPT for The Truth

    half of the songs there aren’t even new…it just shoes how slow chicago stations are.

  235. BeckyMD:
    04/24/2010 at 6:09 pm
    http://www.wtmx.com/emerge.php

    If you look at their playlist for friday night, they played every song on that list EXCEPT for The Truth

    half of the songs there aren’t even new…it just shoes how slow chicago stations are.

    WTF? So much for reading the comments on KAO….. you Jerkoffs at JIVE….. Why did they ask for input if they already sent it to a station??? Right now it just says “The Truth” Kris Allen….. does not say anything about featuring Pat…. so again, we really won’t know until they play it…… Yeah, and what’s up with the older songs on there??…. This station does love Kris though… I’m going to call them right now and see what I can find out… I actually do talk to these guys quite often and they are super nice…. I’ll report back.

    If this is going to be the single, I’m just praying that crap remix on KAO is not the final cut…. they really better have something of quality……I love that song so much, and they’ve ruined it with Pat on the bridge…….ugggghhhhhh I’m so pissed off right now……..

  236. WTMX LOVES Pat Monahan and Train. It doesn’t surprise me that they would be one of the first to get on board with The Truth. They support any and every one of Pat’s efforts. Even though it totally is unlike them to be an early adopter– they have an extremely slow moving playlist.

  237. Having seen that WTMX playlist, I guess the Truth is the next single. The only question is whether they will use the version with Pat. In fairness, I wasn’t a fan of The Truth either. But after rumors about TT being the next single, I started listening to it more. I’m addicted to that song now, more than BWCU and AWM although I’m not rooting for TT to be the next single. Lady A’s Need You Now had the same effect on me. It took me a while to warm up to that song but now, it’s my fave song (after Kris’ songs of course). I’m just trying really hard to be optimistic.

  238. The only question is whether they will use the version with Pat

    .
    I’m trying to find out the version…. but they won’t answer the dang phone…. It’s hard to get through during Chicago rush hour… I will keep trying and see what the DJ or intern or whoever the heck answers the phone has to say about it….

    I’m just praying the version on KAO was not the final cut….. so that peeps wouldn’t steel it…… Wishful thinking….. I just want it to be better….. please, God……..

  239. Hmm. I really like Train, but I’m not a big fan of this new version… anyway I don’t think The Truth should be Kris’s new single. What about like, AWM or something?

  240. The only question is whether they will use the version with Pat

    What’s the point of the studio paying money to re-record it with the writer if they are not going to use that version ?

    I mean, I’m hoping for a miracle that if TT will be the next single,
    that Kris’ version is to be used. If not, Before We Come Undone / AWM.

  241. TwigLA:
    04/24/2010 at 1:21 pm
    I’m thinking that this guest appearance on Kris’ song (that Pat Monahan wrote) is to bolster Pat’s popularity and sales boots for Train, not the other way around.

    Same with LLWD and the Script. It helps the other guy more.
    Kris is being used over and over. I’m so mad and I haven’t even listened to it (and not going to either)

  242. I may be the only Kris fan who feels this way, but I think the new version of The Truth is an improvement. I admit, I never liked the original much. I love CSA, AWM, love, love, LOVE IIO, and love INTK. But I always found The Truth boring and generic.

    The new harmony vocals give it more texture. Pat’s voice on the bridge is a bit jarring, but it catches my attention and wakes me up, just where the original was putting me to sleep. The song is just more interesting all around now, for me anyway.

    If they have to release The Truth as Kris’s next single, I’m glad they gave it more variety.

  243. I think the new version is an improvement on the original, sounding tighter and richer, and there is really not much difference in the vocal between Pat and Kris, except that there’s less of the annoying squeak in Pat’s voice.

    I thought there would be little chance that The Truth can succeed as a single originally, but this new version might stand a better chance. Still not a great choice though if it’s to be the new single.

    I agree that I think this version has a better chance of being successful on radio than the original. I don’t think the addition of Pat vocally is really noticable, much less not being jarring. But adding Pat to the song will noticably help it’s ability to be sold to PDs and get visibility from that.

    I don’t think it’s as hooky as LLWD, so I’m less sure of it’s success, and I don’t really see it being the best fit for a summer song. Typically those are a bit lighter and janglier. But it’s not some dirge and it’s certainly got that generic, innocous rock thing going on, so no harshing people’s summer mellow.

    I think it could do just fine, and Pat being on it, certainly will help it.

    Do I like it as song? No, but I don’t like lots of stuff that does well on the radio.

  244. MusicAlltheTime:
    04/24/2010 at 8:20 pm
    I may be the only Kris fan who feels this way, but I think the new version of The Truth is an improvement

    I’m really, really, glad to hear this from someone…. I still can’t get through to the station, but from the playlist, I’m really starting to think this is a done deal… I really hope I’ll get used to it, and that the rest of the world will like Pat’s vocals on it.. If it’s done then we need to get on board and support Kris.. He really needs this to do well…

  245. Am still not loving the new version.But don’t hate it. I listen to it earlier and it wasn’t as bad as last night. It does seem a little more upbeat then the original which is a plus. I just must Kris at the bridge thou. I wish they would have put Pat on a different part of the song thou. And maybe just like IIO I’ll like it more when it’s song live. If indeed it is the next single. And if it is I wonder when well find out for sure. I just hope really that Jive know what it’s doing.

  246. I so agree with you ChicagoGirly. Kris does need are support. I’ll go on tomorrow again and listen to it. I do like it a little more thou. I think it’s something that takes getting use to.

  247. I agree that I think this version has a better chance of being successful on radio than the original. I don’t think the addition of Pat vocally is really noticable, much less not being jarring. But adding Pat to the song will noticably help it’s ability to be sold to PDs and get visibility from that.

    If Kris’ first single had been a flop, I’d agree, but I think with the success of LLWD and the great work Kris has been doing with all the radio promotion, he should be able to get his next single given a fair shot.

    Truthiness: .
    I think it could do just fine, and Pat being on it, certainly will help it.

    Maybe true, but I don’t think that “fine” is what we hope for with our favorite Idol. With Jive’s history of being so frugal, if his next single does just “fine”, it will likely be the end of KATA.

    ETA: Sorry for the fail on the second set of block quotes.

  248. If Kris appears on the AI finale next month, the evening will not be about him. It will be all about the 2 finalists – and eventual winner. And I do not understand why Jive is pairing Kris with Pat Monahan. Pat Monahan is great, but they should really be pushing Kris as a solo artist, especially after his huge hit with LLWD. I am with the majority, I am not too happy with The Truth being Kris’ second single.

    IF this happens – Kris singing a duet on AI finale, then for sure we know how much TPTB h*a*t*e Kris.(can I spell that word here ?, last time my comments was under moderation because of that word)

    This season’s finalists are the ones with duets with the singers, NOT last year’s AI winner. But of course Kris was never treated as a winner. JMO only.

  249. This website http://www.musicloversgroup.com/kris-allen-the-truth-lyrics-and-video is reporting that Pat Monahan’s version is indeed the second single. I’ve tweeted everyone I can think of from a tweet to my followers to @19News to @JiveMusic to Katy to Kris to Cale begging them to read the fan reactions on this on the official website. I’ve listened to it several times and I still think it is AWFUL!! Kris deserves so much more than this. Pat’s voice is definitely noticeable and the question that everyone will be asking, is why are two guys singing a break-up song… I’m actually in tears.

  250. Masieta

    I don’t think that website has any insider info…it doesn’t look like it has any kind of connections to any labels or whatnot

  251. I don’t see how Train can help Kris. They sold less albums that he has, although they sold more copies of their single. I see it other way around – they are using Kris to help promote Train, just like they did with Script. Somebody mentioned this already.

  252. I still think the new version is bad. I find Pat’s vocal on the bridge extremely jarring. Not only is it clear it isn’t Kris singing, but Pat’s vocal is really weak. The lyrics lose a lot of the powerful emotion because Pat can’t hit the notes properly — Kris is much better at this.

    Also most people don’t know who Pat Monahan is…they would have to say Pat Monahan, lead sionger of The Train, for most people to know who he is.

    Also, although Hey Soul Sister is a big hit, it’s not like Train is super successful — this is their first hit song in several years — since Drops of Jupiter, probably — and how many years ago did that come out? So I don’t think that Pat is a big enough name to make people more interested in this song. It’s my understanding that Train’s current album hasn’t even sold as many copies as Kris’s…

    I’m so frustrated right now. It would have been simple to release AWM — which has massive recognition from the Ford commercials — AND has shown popularity, since the iTunes sales go up everytime the commercial aired. They could have promoted it as “co-written by Joe King of The Fray” if they felt it needed more star power…

    I’m hoping for the best, but given Jive’s track record with Archie and Jordin, I’m not feeling real confident that this will work out.

  253. Maybe true, but I don’t think that “fine” is what we hope for with our favorite Idol. With Jive’s history of being so frugal, if his next single does just “fine”, it will likely be the end of KATA.

    Maybe I’m just being uncharacteristically optimistic, but I think that if Kris does even “fine” with this, that they’ll look at a third single.

    I think the problem with Archie was that his second single didn’t even do just “fine.” So that’s why Jive cut their losses and moved to making an Xmas album with Archie that did pretty well. And hey, they’re moving on his third album already with original stuff this time, and seems like he has some good producers and such, so not as if they’re not doing right there.

    So I’m not willing to write off TT doing okay, and that not helping KATA and that even if it just does pretty well, that means that Kris is doomed musically. I think things like his catalogy thing show that there is definitely some faith in Kris as a future artist. Same with getting Pat to add some vocals on this song, and making a radio edit of it. That speaks investment to me.

    Of course we’ll see what the next steps of investment are, but it’s probably going to be more on the ground sloggins stuff that was so successful with LLWD. After all, Kris doesn’t have the winner of AI to open as many interviews and promotional opportunities. Pat being on this song, and the Train doing so well on radio right now, may do that instead. So I think that Jive is trying to give Kris a boost with this. Hopefully it’ll work. They did great work with LLWD though, and this seems smart to me, so I’m taking a wait, see and cross my fingers, approach.

  254. Well is The Truth is it and Kris is singing it at the finale, it won’t be with Pat Monahan unless they use his recorded voice. Train has a concert 5/26 in East Rutherford, NJ New Meadowlands Stadium opening for Bon Jovi.

  255. Well is The Truth is it and Kris is singing it at the finale, it won’t be with Pat Monahan unless they use his recorded voice. Train has a concert 5/26 in East Rutherford, NJ New Meadowlands Stadium opening for Bon Jovi.

    Well, that`s great news!

  256. After thought, Before We Come Undone should be the next single. It’s catchy, seems so pop and definitely better than the new version of The Truth. Then as a 3rd single, Let it Rain or Send Me All Your Angels

  257. Pat’s voice is definitely noticeable and the question that everyone will be asking, is why are two guys singing a break-up song

    I doubt anyone outside of the AI bubble will worry about two guys singing a ballad. The only time Pat’s voice is really noticeable is the bridge, and that’s mainly because his vocals aren’t as good as Kris’. People will notice that the bridge doesn’t flow well with the rest of the song, and that when Pat comes on it is very jarring.

  258. I just wonder, when well find out for sure, if this is the new single or not. The wait is driving Kris fans crazy. There’s over 400 comments. I didn’t read all the comments but almost all are not liking this version.I just hope Jive wanted us fans to tell The Truth because there getting it that’s for sure.

  259. I don’t see how Train can help Kris. They sold less albums that he has, although they sold more copies of their single. I see it other way around – they are using Kris to help promote Train, just like they did with Script. Somebody mentioned this already.

    Train is way more known than The Script. Train is a Grammy-award winning band. Their album Drops of Jupiter was a huge multi-platinum success. And their current single, “Hey Soul Sister”, is another huge mainstream pop success. I don’t know how Kris is actually helping promote Train, considering that Jive decided not to go with the original version of “The Truth” from Kris album, instead decided to pay money and bring in Pat Monahan to re record the song.

  260. My email:

    I’ve noticed there is Kris Allen’s “The Truth” listed on New Music @ 9. Can you tell me if it is the remix with Pat Monahan’s vocals?? or the Album version?? You didn’t play it last night and I’m very curious about it.

    Her response:

    Hi Jill It should have played just after 9 and would have had the pat monahan vocals.

    Do you think they’re only testing the Chicago Market?? for feedback, or do you think it’s a done deal??? I’m hoping just testing !!!!

  261. I like how the 38 seconds were cut from the Truth to make it more radio format and i’m lining the overlaying tracks here and there. I think this new version is more crisp, more to the point. But please put back Kris’s vocals on it. Every time Pat’s bridge comes on, i’m looking forward to its end to hear Kris’s voice again.

    If they release that, couldn’t they release AWM at the same time?

  262. Hi Jill It should have played just after 9 and would have had the pat monahan vocals. I’ll check it out!Thanks for listening!Nikki

    Do you think they’re only testing the Chicago Market?? for feedback, or do you think it’s a done deal??? I’m hoping just testing !!!!

    According to this chart, TT was played at 9:08PM last night. And this email from PD confirms that they are indeed releasing the version with Pat.

    http://bit.ly/91mELq

    Should Kris fans start organizing a support group to move past the denial stage?

  263. oh chicagoGirly, if they are testing it already, seems like a sure deal (sigh) unless the market is unresponsive

  264. Yep…. guys….. I just emailed her back again with a few more ???’s She was pretty quick to respond to the first one, so I’ll let you guys know…

  265. Well if it’s a done deal,then no matter how I feel about it am going to support Kris.I just like the new version better.I don’t think the song is as bad as I did when I first heard it but not the same.I just wish if they had to pick a song that Kris didn’t at least Co-wrote it would have been WAOMF.But maybe they didn’t want to back to back script writes.The Truth is just not a good summer song. I wish they would have done AWM then if they did make a deal with Pat it could have been the third single.

  266. Kris better sings the bridge of TT when back on AI (i’ll hit something if i hear Pat on it)

  267. Mtlfan:
    04/25/2010 at 12:11 am
    Kris better sings the bridge of TT when back on AI (i’ll hit something if i hear Pat on it)

    I don’t think there is any way Pat will promote this with Kris…

  268. I don’t think there is any way Pat will promote this with Kris…

    yeah that’s right!!

  269. Can anybody help — I’m using the “HERE” link to listen to the live streaming and don’t hear anything and don’t see any other link to click to hear it?

  270. Can anybody help — I’m using the “HERE” link to listen to the live streaming and don’t hear anything and don’t see any other link to click to hear it?

    It’s soooo tiny… Go by the KATA album “Buy it”… underneath you’ll see a very tiny triangle (play button).. KAO website SUCKS.

  271. Same with LLWD and the Script. It helps the other guy more.
    Kris is being used over and over. I’m so mad and I haven’t even listened to it (and not going to either)

    Well, to be fair though, LLWD did really really well :-) It certainly sold a lot, got high on the charts, and so that’s a big plus for Kris, rather than just the Script. So, if TT is able to do well too, it should hardly matter if it ALSO benefits Train. JMO.

    And IA that that’s good to hear that Train is already booked for another gig the day of the AI finale. I personally would have found it rather douchey to have Kris perform WITH Pat (especially when Pat is the one who effs up the song, imo), rather than showcasing Kris to let him sing the whole thing by himself.

  272. Sigh. So now that it is 99% sure The Truth is the next single, the next waiting game is whether or not the single will be picked up
    by the radio. And then whether or not the single will help with the album sales.

    OMG, this handwringing thing will never stop.

  273. The Truth…really? And mixed with some other dude with a whiny voice….really? WTF. I don’t care what it sounds like with the Train-man-whatever-the-hell-his-name-is. The only way TT is good is when Kris sings the acoustic version, otherwise, it is crap. It’s like Jive and AI want him to fail. And as far as AI is concerned Kris Allen never existed. They can’t even say his name out loud.

    I am disgusted. Love KA though and hope he can do his own thing down the road because TT ain’t it. SMAYA is light years better than TT. JMO.

  274. I have to say I’m disappointed if this is the new single, and frankly, I can’t see why they would bother making a radio edit with Pat Monahan if it isn’t. Very disappointing. I remember going through this when David Cook’s CBTM was released as a second single, but at least it was his voice doing ALL the singing, jeez.

    Why do these record labels always seem to make the wrong song choices? First DC and Archie last year, then Allison with Scars when anyone with ears on their heads should be able to see Don’t Waste the Pretty is a much superior song, even Jason’s new single isn’t as good as some of the other songs on his album. Now Kris. I think it’s a conspiracy against the Idols by tptb. The only think I can’t understand, is WHY? Why don’t they want these kids to have the best possible chances to succeed????? Aarrrghhh! It make my blood boil just to think about it, lol!

    Part of what makes it so disappointing for me, is selfishly I’d like to be able to track I song I actually LIKE, you know? To support the song because I really like the actual SONG, not just to support the artist. Boo to Jive Music. RCA you’re on warning too. Watch it with DC’s first single, ya hear? *scowls threateningly in RCA’s direction*

  275. Just came back from lovely weekend trip with my husband and what I find here??! I haven’t read earlier comments but I have to say that this version is not good at all. I don’t want to be mean but why they added Pat Monahan’s not so good voice to this song? Being compared to Kris’ voice is not beneficial for Pat Monahan and Pat can’t do anything good for this song. I love Kris’ version of TT and I’m grateful that Pat gave it to Kris but he should not sing in it. Ok, now to read other comments and threads I’ve missed.

  276. TT has is no longer on the list for the new tunes @9 playlist box on Chicago WTMX 101.9 FM website. It looks like they have redone the list because some of the songs that were there yesterday are gone. The slot at #15 is empty.

    http://www.wtmx.com/emerge.php

  277. From Me @ 2:30 a.m.

    The Truth…really? And mixed with some other dude with a whiny voice….really? WTF. I don’t care what it sounds like with the Train-man-whatever-the-hell-his-name-is. The only way TT is good is when Kris sings the acoustic version, otherwise, it is crap. It’s like Jive and AI want him to fail. And as far as AI is concerned Kris Allen never existed. They can’t even say his name out loud.

    I am disgusted. Love KA though and hope he can do his own thing down the road because TT ain’t it. SMAYA is light years better than TT. JMO.

    First I would like to apologize for that insomniatic apres martini posting, second I actually listened to the new version of TT this morning, and third I stand by my comments. WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DO THAT TO TT?????? It is not my favorite song on KATA and the acoustic version has really grown on me but PM is so out of place and weak on the bridge. REALLY JIVE… Kris must have the patience of Job. I will support Kris but that TT is screwed up.

    When I sneak a Kris song or two onto CD’s I burn my husband and friends ask, “Who is that?” (songs from BNS & KATA). They are impressed and recognize his voice now. Geeze, I am embarrassed this abomination of a KA song will be on the radio (if it makes it to radio play).

  278. LOL! Talk about elephants in the room…..PM’s contribution to TT is a circus elephant!!!!

    I’m done fuming now. On to Kris & Keith’s concert and happier times.

  279. Hey, new here. I, personally, love The Truth. It’s my favorite song off Kris’ album. But I agree with the others. The new version isn’t as good as the original. If they really want to add Pat’s vocals, they should keep him in the background in the chorus. The bridge, which is definitely the best part of the song, must be sung by Kris and Kris ALONE.

  280. kevin424 welcome to the board.Yeah that is the main reason fans don’t like it.Because they take the most personal part of the song and give it to Pat.He had a chance for singing The Truth and for some reason he most of thought it wasn’t for him,so he gave it to Kris. So now all of a sudden his singing in the song.Most of the new version I like but just can’t like that one little part.I agree re record this version and put Pat in the background like you said kevin424.

  281. Okay, Kris fans, please don’t attack me. I am one of you. I listen to Kris’ CD every time I’m in the car without my kids (they are sick of it!) and I honestly don’t hear much of a difference. I was actually afraid to listen because of all the negative reaction. That being said, though I like the song, I don’t see the mass appeal. Alright With Me is much catchier, and I think would draw the tweens/teens more. Okay, let the attacks begin….

  282. Having 48 hours to sleep on this and think about it isn’t making things any better. I still hate this version of the song (and The Truth is one of my favorites from the album.) Pat’s voice coming in on the bridge is never not jarring, and this edit just sounds so cheap and slapdash, like they gave it to the intern to do the editing and sound mixing. (I know Jive is cheap, but still…)

    As much as I support Kris, I just can’t see myself supporting this version of the song. What am I going to do, call up a radio station and say, “Please play this song which I kinda sorta hate and want be buried in a deep hole to die and you know the album version is a zillion times better – but please play this song anyway”? It’s just ridiculous.

  283. I am not a fan and it is the first time that I heard any version of The Truth.
    It was actually much better than I expected considering the fans reactions. Kris uses a lot of his lower register and Pat’s vocals are only for a small part of the song although I don’t think that there is nothing wrong with them.
    In my opinion, TT is not top 40 material though, but it’s a nice HAC track.
    I personally like it more than LLWD and it gives me an incentive to listen to more of the album.

  284. I’ve followed the site for awhile. It’s my 1st time to comment. I was one of those who did not like the Pat M addition the 1st time I heard it. HOWEVER, after listening a few more times, I can see that it has the potential to be a big hit.

    First, I think the Pat M part sounds weird only if you know the song from Kris so well, which many listening to the radio won’t. Second, it is a song that really stays with you when you’re done listening. You walk away and keep thinking about it (at least I do). Finally, the lyrics and Kris’s passionate singing really resonate with people. Kind of reminds me of the feeling from the popular Lady A song. Think about it – that has peaked and starting to go down the charts. The Truth could fill that need for an emotional song like that.

    (Having said all this, I am hoping that if they release The Truth, the next song after that would be my favorite, Alright with Me.)

  285. I personally like it more than LLWD and it gives me an incentive to listen to more of the album.

    Same here and my boyfriend too.

    Update: I just bought the album, because if this is a bad song, I can’t wait to hear the rest!! This is the third album I bought from an Idol, so exciting :)

  286. “First, I think the Pat M part sounds weird only if you know the song from Kris so well, which many listening to the radio won’t.”

    That’s true but what happens when Kris sings this live [ Pat Monahan can’t be with Kris everywhere]& people go to buy the single & say- hey this isn’t quite the same ? Why record something that will sound so different to what will be played live? Some people might listen to the “updated” version & say- no I don’t think I’ll buy that – its not as good as when I heard it live!!
    Anyway it does seem that they are still “testing the waters ” with this song , so its a wait & see approach I am taking now!

  287. Laury. I think it’s something people that are Kris fans have o get use to. Maybe when it’s on the radio it well sound alot better. I just hope this new version doesn’t back fire. Sometimes it’s hard to be a fan of someone and you get use to a song a certain away and then the song is change. My problem is if there going to release this new version no matter what the fans say.Then why ask what you think of the song.The bad thing also of being a fan sometimes is you really get emotionally attact and you think you know what is best. I just want whats best for Kris and if this song helps him get alot more fans and alot more people buying his CD then am happy.And as long as the radio plays it.

  288. judes yea I can of wondered the same thing as what you pointed out. And also someone mention that Pat won’t even be available to perform it with Kris at the last show of the season when Kris is going to sing it.So why go throw all this.But yea it’s just another waiting game for us Kris fans. I also wonder when well find out when Kris’s tour is going to start and who his opening for.

  289. I just listened to the album version, and in my opinion the radio edit is a lot better. It is slightly faster, Kris vocals are more dynamic and his voice stands out more.

  290. Well thanks Laury. So when your done listening let me know what you think.I just know no matter what am going to support Kris. Maybe there like some people saying are just testing the song.I just hope we find out soon. Especially if his going to be on Idol at the end of the season to perform his new single. I love that Cale tweeted that to us fans because we all just want what’s best for Kris.And I like that Kris Cale and the band see that.I wonder if Kris or any of them are reading the post on his Kris official site. Most of them are positive to Kris but don’t like the new version.And most of them are like me,and just miss Kris singing that part of the song.

  291. The first time that I heard The Truth, the bridge was the part that jumped out at me, and that stuck with me after the song was finished. It’s also the part that I can’t wait to get to whenever I play the song. New listeners won’t know what Kris did with that part, but I can’t help but think that Pat’s version will also be jarring for them, and that it just doesn’t have the same amount of emotion as Kris’, so it won’t as be as effective.

    I can’t speak for everyone, but I would really like to know what none fans think of that section, is it jarring, is it emotional or memorable, does that section work.

  292. Cale tweeted this last night. Makes me think Kris and the rest of the band have seen the comments about the new version of The Truth

    calevis24

    #I just want to say thanks to everyone for all your support of kris and the band. Can’t wait to see everyone over the next couple months! CAM

  293. jambajim just posted over on Kris’s website!!!

    jambajim

    I had no idea Kris and Pat were in a relationship together. Fingers crossed this only gets released in Japan. As a b-side.

    He’s too funny!!! Then The Script can pick it up! LOL!

  294. Oki ilovekrisallen39 once I hear it, I’ll tell you which songs are my favorites :)

  295. I think even if this version of the song is released, most of Kris’ fans will still support it no matter what. At least, I will even though I feel the original is better.

  296. I am definitely on the ‘support Kris regardless’ um…Train. (Sorry bad joke.) Anyway I, like many others just want what’s best for Kris and his career. :D

  297. I think all of Kris’ fans want what’s best for him which is why a lot of the comments on the krisallenofficial page are verging on angry. Kris fans are VERY invested. Haha. I think Kris’ management will still release The Truth as the 2nd single but they probably will change it up more from the current “new” version. I think the song that’s streaming on the site is intentionally rough around the edges so no one will download it illegally. I think the version they’ll release will have a better quality and be more “smooth”. (Couldn’t think of a better word.) I just hope the version they do release has Kris singing the bridge and not Pat. :)

  298. Yea am going to support him no matter what.I really do like some parts of the new one but just want Kris on the part that Pat is on.Like someone earlier said put Pat on in the background.That’s funny what jambajim posted on Kris Official I saw it over there when I went to see how many post there were,and was laughing my ass off.Laury can’t wait to see what your favorites are.I have so many that I can’t pick just 1 or 2.I’ll say I really enjoy Alright With Me,Bring It Back, Can’t Stay Away,and Before we come undone,and Written All Over my face.I one I really don’t care for thou is Lifetime,I just can’t figure out why thou?

  299. I noticed that a lot of Kris fans don’t care for Lifetime that much. I actually like that song. I find the lyrics “it takes a lifetime to learn how to sing/to find my place in the world symphony” very meaningful in term’s of Kris’ identity as a relatively new musician. But I’m not really like a lot of Kris fans coz I’m definitely in Team The Truth. I love that song. Haha. But if they were going to pick a different song to release as a single, I’d pick Before We Come Undone over Alright With Me. I don’t really like the “yeah, yeah” parts. Don’t know why. Haha

  300. kevin424 am so hoping your right. Kris just needs to be singing the bridge part.It’s one of the best parts of the whole song. Kris sings it with so much passion,that you really believe his Breaking up with his girlfriend. I’M listening to the original Truth right now. And am start to hate the new version all over again,just when I was starting to calm down.This is really can of sad,That just a song someone sings can get you so sad or upset when someone wants to change it. Like I said why fix what isn’t broken. And now people are really starting to think Kris is going to get dropped by jive. I even saw a comment on Kris sight saying that they think he’ll be dropped in the next 6 months so sad.And on twitter someone posted that this proves that Jive doesn’t believe in Kris,because they brought Pat onto the song.

  301. I think they had to speed it up or cut some part(s) in order to make it short enough for a single. When I played it for my teenager, the first thing he said is that it is too long. For what it’s worth, my teenager thinks CSA is the best song on the CD – calls it Maroon-5-ish.

    I don’t mind the new version, EXCEPT that I love Kris singing the bridge – it’s my favorite part of the song. The lyrics are really great. My oldest 20-something son likes “honesty is, honestly, . . .”, just as he likes “. . .the faces of the faceless . . .” in SMAYA. He likes the play on words. Me too!

  302. kevin424 I really like The Truth,just like the original I don’t see why they have to change it.I can see making it a little shorter for radio.But they don’t need Pat for that.One of my favorites is Is It Over,but don’t know how that song well do on the radio.But boy when Kris sings that song live I just think it’s my favorite in the whole set.And before he sang it live,I didn’t really care for it.And I think if Kris sings Lifetime live I’ll feel the same way.

  303. kevin424, I’m one of those rare Kris fans that really likes “Lifetime” too! Nice to know there are others out there.

    However, I’m for AWM over BWCU because it’s fun and a great song of this time of yr.! :D

  304. I certainly hope Kris doesn’t get dropped. I think his album still has legs. But based on what I’ve read around the web, isn’t Kris supposed to be one of Jive’s better selling artists?
    I think adding Pat was really just more of a strategic move. I do think it will help Kris get more airtime with this song. And maybe it’s true that because we’ve heard the original The Truth that is why we dislike the new version so much but most radio listeners probably haven’t so by adding Pat, it’s like adding more bait to the hook. And if people do hear Kris’ album version after hearing the song on the radio, they may start to appreciate Kris more. Haha. Hopefully that makes sense. Trying to be optimistic. :)

  305. It has begun just like I knew it would… Saw this on twitter earlier…

    Justin8602?: Also love that nobody has any real belief that Kris Allen can make it…hence recruiting the train dude to re-record a song for single
    Twitter – 10901
    3 hours ago

    This is exactly the message that @JiveMusic is sending if they release this version.

    Are there any investigative reporters anymore?? Or, do writers just pontificate from their armchairs while reporting what is fed to them? I smell a story here. Jive would have to be crazy to go against such a vocal fan outcry. So, what is going on behind the scenes that we’re not being told? Executive power struggle? Secret deals? Money changing hands? Yes, compared to world affairs, Kris’ next single is pretty insignificant for an investigative reporter to spend time on. However, the corporate machine sacrificing the little guy (no pun intended)is a classic American tale that begs to be told. Is there anyone savy enough to get the true story and brave enough to publish it for all to know?

  306. I do think that by adding Pat Jive is showing it doesn’t have much faith in Kris. But I don’t think the addition of Pat’s vocals can really hurt Kris. Kris’ fans and the general public must just show that they like the song because of Kris Allen and not because of the Train connection. I think it’s like giving a student a cheat sheet for a test he’s already studied for. We just have to show that the student (Kris) passed the test without using the cheat sheet even though it’s available. Haha. Does that make sense at all?

  307. The problem isn’t whether or not Kris’ fans will support this song, since I’m sure that we will, it’s whether or not a lot of other people will. I have a hard time believing that this song will appeal to a lot of the people who purchased LLWD. I’m also having a hard time being optimistic about this song doing well on both Pop and HAC stations, and without the support of top 40 stations, I doubt that this song will move half the copies that LLWD did.

  308. Here’s a theory, maybe they’re just releasing the single coz of contractual obligations to Pat for writing the song and certain promises were made. And maybe they’ll try to see whether or not it will stick with listeners or not. If it becomes a hit then great! But if not, then they’ll at least have fulfilled their obligations and they can release the other more “summer-y” song immediately after if the truth flops coz there are still many summer months ahead. I think they’ll make the official announcement (that the truth is the 2nd single) sometime this week.
    But what do I really know? I’m not knowledgeable in this stuff. I’m not even from the US. Just giving my opinion. :)

  309. Masieta

    , that person is no fan of Kris’, it just another silly glambert who can’t get over the fact that Kris won, so who cares what he or she has to say. That’s the same type of stupidity that was thrown around when Kris released LLWD. There are problems with the new version of The Truth, but bringing in an established artist isn’t one of them. There are more than enough examples of established artists helping new artists by appearing on their albums.

  310. And on twitter someone posted that this proves that Jive doesn’t believe in Kris,because they brought Pat onto the song.

    I would think it shows just the opposite. Why would Jive bother to fix up the song and make it more appealing for radio play, if they didn’t believe Kris has the potential to succeed?

  311. I also like Lifetime. :)

    Cale tweeted this last night. Makes me think Kris and the rest of the band have seen the comments about the new version of The Truth

    calevis24#I just want to say thanks to everyone for all your support of kris and the band. Can’t wait to see everyone over the next couple months! CAM

    girlygirl, I don’t see any indication that the tweet has to do with the comments, but your guess is as good as mine. The comments about The Truth had nothing to do with the band, did they? I honestly think Cale was just saying thanks for all the support, overall. You could be right, though.

    I do think that by adding Pat Jive is showing it doesn’t have much faith in Kris.

    I don’t think I would make that leap, myself.

    By the way, has anyone ever heard a song like this where the backup singer suddenly comes in this late in the song, and sings a little solo? To me, it’s so unexpected. You’re following the lead singer, telling his story, and then there’s this other person when you really aren’t expecting it at all. Who’s story is the song telling? It’s like someone interrupting. Particularly since it’s a love song, it just doesn’t work at all.

    What I’m afraid of is if Jive “fixes” it, they’ll put in even more Pat Monahan to even it out, not less.

  312. The Truth is a very emotional song. The words (to me), connote the singer is struggling with some kind of decision in a relationship. If they feel they have to bring another voice in, why not a woman’s voice? That way the song wouldn’t be open to ridicule like those tweets from jambajim. Having a man, any man, sing a duet on that song doesn’t serve the meaning of the song, at least, not with a straight guy singing it. That’s the kind of barrier Adam should be breaking, not Kris, imo. This doesn’t make sense anyway you slice it.

  313. Laury:
    Update: I just bought the album, because if this is a bad song, I can’t wait to hear the rest!! This is the third album I bought from an Idol, so exciting

    Good for you. Just imagine that Lifetime is the “worst”/ least favorite song for most people. It shows you how great this album is.

    ilovekrisallen39: Sorry that you feel sad again after listening to the original TT. That is why I refuse to listen to the new TT. The original TT is one of my absolute favorite. It is on my repeat everywhere I go, and there is no way I can listen to a different version.

    Obviously I will support Kris always, but I’m not going to listen to this new version.

  314. By the way, has anyone ever heard a song like this where the backup singer suddenly comes in this late in the song, and sings a little solo?

    I can think of a few similar cases. As a Canadian, it reminds me of Bryan Adams coming in near the end of Glass Tiger’s “Don’t Forget Me When I’m Gone”.

    Perhaps more well known is Elton John guesting on George Micheal’s “Don’t Let the Sun Go Down on Me” (showing up at the 3 minute mark in the song). It was recorded live and went to number 1 on the BB Hot 100. But Pat is nor Sir Elton. And this version of The Truth is no duet.

  315. Sad but figured it would happen. Gosh people on twitter are really not happy.I guess there’s nothing we can do now. But give are support to Kris.

  316. Not buying or listening to Kris’s new single isn’t going to help him. I’m going to try and keep my eye on the big picture. It is what it is — if this version of The Truth is the new single, I’m hoping that I will like it more as I hear it more — that has been the case with several songs in the past, so perhaps that’ll be the case this time. The most important thing is to try and support Kris as best as possible.

  317. Looks like the new version of The Truth is indeed the 2nd single, and will be released/go for adds on May 3rd.

    As David Gordon would say: [deleted]

  318. Not buying or listening to Kris’s new single isn’t going to help him. I’m going to try and keep my eye on the big picture. It is what it is — if this version of The Truth is the new single, I’m hoping that I will like it more as I hear it more — that has been the case with several songs in the past, so perhaps that’ll be the case this time. The most important thing is to try and support Kris as best as possible.

    I’ve watched Idol for a long time. I don’t recall a single time that the fan base despised a song that it became a hit. Heck, even when they flove the song, it sometimes flops.

    Jive, please give Kris a second album.

    Not looking forward to Kris having to answer all those awkward questions about how he didn’t write this song and Pat had to be brought on to save it.

    Crossing fingers that this song somehow breaks the second single Idol curse Jive has had going on for the last 3 years and that this one succeeds despite it’s lack of favour with the fan base. I’m not betting money on it, though. Sigh.

    Man. It looks like they aren’t even going to try sending it to pop.

  319. yeah girlgirl I agree 200% with you. Kris has my support. And once we start hearing live and on the radio well start really liking it.But when Kris goes on Idol and sings this new version how is Pat going to be there to sing his part since his going to be somewhere else.Are they going to let Kris sign the original for Idol. Is Pat going to promote the single with Kris. If not then what’s the point in all of the rewrite of the song and putting Pat into it. I just don’t understand any of this.

  320. I have listened this new version of TT quite many times now but I’m not going to like it even if I’d like to. Of course I’m still supporting Kris and going to buy this version if it will be available in my country. LLWD was not played here so there’s very little hope to hear TT on radio here. I hope they’ll give it at least few test plays so I can request it from my stations.

  321. I can’t wait to see the music video thou. People on twitter are all laughing about what the video well be like. They like the Cover shot of Kris.I gotta laugh about this or I’ll start crying so funny. I took a nap and woke up to madness. What’s happening to my life.

  322. Kirsten, thanks for answering my question.

    As for The Truth being released to HAC — since you’re Canadian, are you familiar with how Universal released several songs from Hedley’s first album to different formats, either at the same time, or staggering the release dates? They got several songs on the charts at once, like that, I think. I think it helped sell their album, as well.

    Do you think maybe Jive sees Kris as a multi-format artist and intends on releasing another song to another format (Pop, for instance), some time after releasing The Truth to HAC?

  323. I hope TT will have a big launch on AI finale. It’s such a dramatic song. Maybe Kris can pull a cry at the end of the song ala Crystal. lol.

    I’ll buy, I’ll vote, I’ll request, whatever it takes to make this song a success. Can’t wait for the video too.

  324. Not looking forward to Kris having to answer all those awkward questions about how he didn’t write this song and Pat had to be brought on to save it.

    That is what I’m afraid of. On the last single, Kris has to answer question about “cover”, and now this re-record w/ another guy. And if the single is a success, oh it is because of the other guy, not Kris. I can just see the media spinning this.
    I want his name alone in that poster; just say that the song is written by Pat.

    I still support Kris but I can’t, can’t listen to that version. I love the original version so much and I know me and I can’t handle the new version. I really hope that KBIG 104.3 will play the TT single like crazy, but I’ll change the channel.
    Actually, this scenario will unlikely to happen, since as soon as I get to my car, I hook the radio to my mp3 and go to Kris compilation of album songs and live acoustic versions.

    Edit: And I’ll buy the single from ITune, but won’t listen to it. :)

  325. Do you think maybe Jive sees Kris as a multi-format artist and intends on releasing another song to another format (Pop, for instance), some time after releasing The Truth to HAC?

    No. Sorry. I barely see them respecting Kris as an artist (what with hacking up the song he sang and not releasing anything he’s written). I can’t see them doing a multi-format release. If Kris pitches a fit, they might, but they won’t promote the song if they don’t want to. I’m not saying Cook pitched a fit, but I’m pretty sure that releasing Bar-B-Sol was some sort of compromise with him and RCA didn’t do a thing to support it.

    Hedley is actually a pretty popular act in Canada and has been around for years. I don’t think Kris has that kind of support. Sorry. I wish the tea leaves had more optimistic messages hidden in them. I’m just not seeing anything.

    Good luck, Kris. Projects that looked even more doomed have been a success, so you never know. If Jive works the crap out of this song, it might go somewhere. If they toss it out there to swim, somebody better call the lifeguard because this song is going to need to be pulled out of the water.

  326. That is what I’m afraid of. On the last single, Kris has to answer question about “cover”, and now this re-record w/ another guy. And if the single is a success, oh it is because of the other guy, not Kris. I can just see the media spinning this.

    The last single turned out to be a hit, though, so I don’t think any of that matters. What matters is if people like the song and buy it. Just today I saw a new tweet about LLWD being a cover of The Script. Haha. Tough!

    Obviously Jive thinks it’s a great tie-in to have the singer of one of the top hits right now sing his own song with Kris. Maybe they’re right. I can’t see the media saying it’s a negative thing. People who don’t like Kris will say it, but they’d say something bad no matter what.

    I never especially liked The Truth, so my reaction is different from those of you who love the album version. I think this version is odd, but if people like the song, they will probably like this well enough. And the Monahan tie-in should help, not hurt.

    Hedley is actually a pretty popular act in Canada and has been around for years. I don’t think Kris has that kind of support. Sorry. I wish the tea leaves had more optimistic messages hidden in them. I’m just not seeing anything.

    I’m a big fan of Hedley. Even loved Jacob on Canadian Idol (though I didn’t see it live), so I’m very familiar with them. What I meant was that before they were around for years — the first year they were together, in fact — their label released songs from their first album to different formats. Villain to rock radio, and On My Own to Pop, I think. And Trip to HAC, possibly. All in 2005. And two more songs from the album were released in 2006.

    I don’t have high hopes for Jive doing this. On the other hand, after having what they refer to as a multi-format platinum plus hit, with LLWD, to follow it up with a song for HAC seems unusual, so I thought maybe they might hedge their bets and release another song to pop, say, not too far down the line. I say this because so many of the album songs seem sellable, to me. And because The Truth otherwise doesn’t seem the most likely follow up to LLWD, as a single that’s supposed to stand alone and be a huge hit.

  327. Here’s hoping this does well. It is a great song, I’ve always liked it, but as previously stated, what is the point, they will not sing the song together live.

  328. Maybe Jive will consider a release of both songs, TT and AWM and see which one goes. Many artists have more than song released back to back, sort of flood the market to see what style works best.

  329. What I am thinking is that the new version of TT has generated lots of comments from new people who aren’t usually Kris Allen fans. They seem to be liking the new version. Looking like it will generate lots of excitment and looks like it will be a second hit for Kris. People are going to be shocked as to how much they sound alike singing. Didn’t Kris co-write TT.

  330. Maybe Jive will consider a release of both songs, TT and AWM and see which one goes. Many artists have more than song released back to back, sort of flood the market to see what style works best.

    My thoughts exactly. Unfortunately I dun think Jive would do that becos this means that they would have to spend on promoting two singles at the same time. I doubt they would think that Kris is worth the investment. Afterall, he’s not the other guy.

  331. People are going to be shocked as to how much they sound alike singing. Didn’t Kris co-write TT.

    No, Kris didn’t co-write it.

    I don’t think they sound alike. I’m surprised anyone thinks that.

  332. if TT is not release to pop, i think they might release another one then. Anyway I’ll support Kris with this new one of course. I like the shorter version although not much Pat

  333. Sorry, this song is just so odd as a second single. It is not a bad song but not exciting in the least. AWM has such a catchy sound and is written by Kris and would have been so good on radio IMO. I am not a big Kris fan but I really liked that song. TT is a depressing song for summer too but I hope it does well.

  334. I am really missing some Kris fans here at MJs that usually post on our normal threads! :( This new single has disturbed the apple cart big time, they are still going strong over at his official site!

  335. Wow, this place is dead! For the record, huge Kris fan here. I don’t post much these days because I spend the majority of my time on twitter and on my facebook group.

    While I don’t care for the new version of TT, I will buy it. Anything to support bb Kris. In fact, I think I’ll gift 1,500 copies to my friends! Yeah, there you go! :lol:

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