Idol Headlines for 12/16/09

8. People Who Mattered – Adam Lambert

He was not the winner of American Idol. He was not even the first Idol runner-up to later make the thoroughly unsurprising announcement that he is gay. (See Aiken, Clay.) But Lambert came first in generating attention: that eyeliner, that voice ‘” ranging from a husky smolder to a granite-splitting glam-rock shriek ‘” and those glittered-out, magnetic performances. And there was the way Lambert treated his sexuality, which reflected the tricky path of gayness toward mainstream acceptance. Lambert never confirmed his being gay until finishing Idol, but, importantly, he never denied it. And unlike Aiken’s, his performances had an unmistakable erotic charge ‘” he was a man, not a man-child. After Idol, he infuriated some viewers with a raunchy, grinding show at the American Music Awards on ABC. Rather than apologize, he charged a double standard for gay men while keeping a smile on his face: when Joy Behar told him, on The View, that he was “not exactly a nice Jewish boy, ” he quipped, “I’m a little different. My dreidel spins the other way.” Lambert ended 2009 out, proud ‘” and loud.

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Time

‘Dance’ finale expects a well-behaved Lambert

LOS ANGELES ‘” “So You Think You Can Dance” producer Nigel Lythgoe won’t predict which dancer will end up the winner on Wednesday’s season finale. But he’s confident that guest star Adam Lambert is going to be well-behaved.

Last month, Lambert’s racy performance during the American Music Awards on ABC drew the ire of the network, which contended that Lambert went further than he had during rehearsals. He was dropped by ABC from a “Good Morning America” appearance.

Lythgoe said he thinks Lambert may have enjoyed making a splash but will perform as rehearsed for “So You Think You Can Dance.” Lambert was last season’s “American Idol” runner-up to winner Kris Allen.

Associated Press

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Daley thanks Jennifer Hudson for Chicago Christmas special

Mayor Daley today extended a heartfelt public thank you to Academy Award winning actress and singer Jennifer Hudson for a Christmas special that showcased Chicago.

Hudson rode the Ferris wheel at Navy Pier, sang on a boat floating down the Chicago River and road a horse-drawn carriage along Michigan Avenue during the prime-time network special that aired Monday night on ABC-owned WLS-Channel 7.

Chicago Sun Times

Adam Lambert Says ‘View’ Host Elisabeth Hasselbeck Is ‘Sweet’

If fans were surprised to see Elisabeth Hasselbeck defend Adam Lambert when he stopped by “The View” last week, the “American Idol” runner-up wasn’t at all shocked. In fact, he said the show’s vibe was very calm and relaxed.

“Elisabeth and I go way back now, ” he laughed to MTV News. “I was tweeting on her phone under her name. She was actually really sweet. They were really nice. I think the thing to keep in mind on that show is it’s called ‘The View.’ They’re supposed to represent opinions of different demographics in our country. I don’t take anything personally.”

MTV

A ‘Kissmas’ party with Kris Allen

The laid-back Allen, who headlines Kiss 95.1’s “Kissmas Office Party” on Thursday, certainly hit the fast track after “AI.” He moved to Los Angeles with his wife and juggled recording his self-titled major label debut with this summer’s “American Idol” tour – a far cry from making the independent album he released in 2007.

“I spent a couple years writing the songs (for it). I only spent three days in the studio. For this one, the whole process took place in four months, ” he says. His new “Idol” credentials allowed him to co-write with the Fray’s Joe King and Switchfoot’s Jon Foreman, among others.

Charlotteobserver.com

Best Of 2009: Part 1

February

Kelly Clarkson clocks the largest leap to No. 1 in the Hot 100’s history, as “My Life Would Suck Without You” explodes 97-1 (Feb. 7). It’s the second time Clarkson has set the record for largest jump to the top: her “American Idol” victory song, “A Moment Like This, ” soared 52-1 in October 2002. “My Life” passes the 96-1 surge of Britney Spears’ “Womanizer” in October 2008 …

Billboard.com

The Best Albums Of 2009, In Bigger Than The Sound

12. Kelly Clarkson, All I Ever Wanted
Built in a lab by the best pop-music minds in the business, equipped with all weapons necessary to assault the Hot 100, All I Ever Wanted is the musical equivalent of a gigantic, shiny Gundam suit, with Clarkson at the controls. It’s no wonder it’s her best album in years. Her voice powers “My Life Would Suck Without You” and “I Do Not Hook Up” into the stratosphere, and on songs like “Cry” or album-closer “If No One Will Listen, ” she gets subtle (or, you know, as subtle as a former “American Idol” champ with dynamite pipes can get). It didn’t exactly burn up the charts, but that hardly matters. All I Ever Wanted is Clarkson’s return to form.

MTV

False Idols

DECADE IN MUSIC Forget what you’ve heard: stars aren’t born ‘” they’re made. Pop music over the past decade has been defined by the music industry, with standout stars manufactured to be, well, standout stars. We’ve reached the point where the biggest names are chosen by reality TV, the media, and, more often than not, the Disney corporation.

Does that sound cynical? The past 10 years have by no means represented a dearth of good pop music. But it’s impossible to reflect on them without acknowledging the massive influence of American Idol, a show that emphasizes and glorifies the artificial production of pop stars. Sure, it’s found plenty of legitimate talent (try to avoid Carrie Underwood), but that doesn’t downplay its role as an assembly-line for fame.

San Francisco Bay Guardian

Carrie Underwood Wants Kids, but ‘Ain’t Having Five!’

When it comes to having kids, four is more than enough for Carrie Underwood.

“Not that I have a husband to have one with yet, but someday I’d like a family ‘ not a big one, but not a small one either, ” the singer, who is dating Ottawa Senator hockey player Mike Fisher, tells Self magazine in its January issue. “Two kids is good; three is fine. Four? Somebody’s getting something done, because we ain’t having five!”

People.com

Singer David Archuleta wraps up a Christmas classic at age 18

David Archuleta may be only 18 years old, but his second disc, ‘Christmas From the Heart, ‘  has the earmarks of an old pro. Whereas the ‘American Idol’  runner-up’s first record was a thoroughly modern pop production, the holiday disc takes an old-school approach, with heavy orchestration and a classic approach to classic tunes such as ‘Joy to the World, ‘  ‘Silent Night’  and ‘O Holy Night.’ 

The smooth-voiced teenager says in a recent phone conversation that he didn’t want to make a young, hip, pop-Christmas record: ‘I didn’t want to make any excuses; I wanted to be straightforward with it .’ ¦ The goal was to [keep] close to the meanings of the songs. I didn’t want it to just be light.’ 

Projo.com

Fellow S7 contestant, Syesha Mercado, tweet to David Archuleta. She attended his concert last night:

@DavidArchie I had so much fun at the show tonight. U are an Angel. I’m so proud of u. Sorry I couldn’t sing with u tonight. Maybe next time

Bill Anderson Gets Christmas Surprise From an ‘American Idol’

Christmas came early to Bill Anderson’s house, but he doesn’t quite know how it happened.

Bill and Steve Wariner co-wrote a Christmas song a few years ago, called ‘Christmas in Your Arms, ‘ which the group Alabama recorded. Now R&B singer Ruben Studdard, who won Season 2 of ‘American Idol, ‘ has released it as his new Christmas single — much to the surprise of Bill! “We absolutely don’t know how it came about, ” the Country Music Hall of Famer tells The Boot. “After reading a couple press releases that came from his people … he evidently heard Alabama’s version of it. Steve and I were both blown away when we found out that he had cut the song.”

The Boot

‘Idol’ finalist Ace Young in Oakdale’s ‘Grease’

Ace Young has tackled nearly every kind of performance there is.

The singer/songwriter/actor made his name as a finalist on the fifth season of the smash Fox reality series “American Idol, ” and has continued performing music after his stint on the series, as well as appearing on other TV shows, including Fox’s “Bones.”

But nothing, Young said, is like performing in a play on Broadway. When you’re on stage, he said, you’re completely vulnerable and exposed.

It’s live. It’s unpredictable. Anything could happen.

newstimes.com

Christmas miracle for Megan with Jason Castro

American Idol is nine-year-old Megan Phalen’s favorite show. She’s only missed “maybe two or three episodes” ever and who’s her favorite Idol? “I’m going to have to say the one I like is Jason Castro, ” grinned the nine-year-old.

So, the radio station 98.9 Magic FM reached out to one of its friends, American Idol’s Jason Castro, for some help. Castro was a finalist in Season 7 of the popular FOX television show. He’s immediately recognizable due to his long dreadlocks hairstyle and his piercing blue eyes.

Castro has generously agreed to come to Colorado Springs and perform a benefit concert for Megan Wednesday. “I thought it was going to be really cool because it’s the first famous person I’m going to meet, ” said Megan.

Colorado Connection

Simon Cowell’s one-man band to take X Factor to America

Simon Cowell has sealed his status as the ultimate X Factor winner through a series of deals worth tens of millions of pounds.

Cowell is poised to sign agreements with the Fox Broadcasting Company and ITV that will secure his place on primetime television in Britain and the US for the next two years.

He is considering standing down as presenter of American Idol, which appears on the Fox network in the US, after its next season. The X Factor is due to begin filming in Los Angeles in September 2011, to be shown on Fox and presented by Cowell.

Times Online

Can Simon Cowell save democracy?

Voting is unpopular. That’s what they tell you at Westminster, and MPs from all parties have been agonising about how to get the public more interested ever since the general election turnout hit a record low of 59% in 2001. Simon Cowell, on the other hand, knows how to run a popular election. More than 10 million voted in the X Factor final at the weekend – which may explain why the reception at Westminster has been surprisingly warm to Cowell’s idea, floated on Newsnight earlier this week, for a political version of the show.

Guardian.co.uk

Stacey Solomon takes a tumble as the X Factor contestants are reunited for a celebration bash

Had a little bit too much champagne, Stacey?

The X Factor contestant was a little unsteady on her feet as she slipped and twisted over on her ankle as she made her way out of the show’s wrap party last night.

In a strapless black mini-dress with white fringing, she looked every inch the glamour puss, right down to her black peep-toed Christian Louboutin heels.

Daily Mail.co.uk

What the critics say: X Factor chart battle

The campaign to stop X Factor winner Joe McElderry from claiming the Christmas number one has divided music critics and fans alike. At the time of writing, Rage Against The Machine’s expletive-laden 1992 single Killing In The Name, is ahead by several thousand sales.

But Fraser McAlpine, writing on the BBC Chart Blog, takes issue with the motives behind the campaign, launched on Facebook three weeks ago:

BBC

‘So You Think You Can Dance’: Game changer?

This was an interesting season. In terms of the talent, I enjoyed it more than Season 6 (I think most people, even the producers, agreed that somehow, Season 5 didn’t work as well as Seasons 4 or 3). But it felt a little bit disjointed, partially due to the World Series and the holidays (which is why we’re seeing a Top 6 and not Top 4 in the finale). And while I enjoyed having a winter “SYTYCD, ” it seemed to take a back seat to some other shows this season — it feels more like a spotlight show in the sleepy summer.

This finale encapsulated the general “I was really close to loving it” feeling I had all season. For one, I missed the Top 4 same-sex combos. How great was the Russian dancing from Season 4 or the two princes dance from Season 3? Can we imagine how Ryan would have danced next to Russell? We know that Ellenore and Kathryn would have made a great couple.

LA Times

‘So You Think You Can Dance’ recap: Make Them Love You

To channel our dear Cat for a moment: Give it up, everybody, it’s Russell! Because though Kathryn stole the krumper’s heart during their final hip-hop routine, the krumper has stolen the heart of each and every person watching the show from their living room. So, come on, really: does anyone else have a chance of winning the title of America’s favorite dancer?

Especially when the krumper was given nearly every advantage in the book during last night’s final performance night. Not only was he granted the pimp spot ‘” and allowed to dance in his own element for said spot ‘” but he was also shirtless for two (count ’em: two!) routines. And nothing seems to get voters dialing more than a naked male torso. (Ryan’s still there, isn’t he?)

Entertainment Weekly

‘Glee’ cast joyful over Globe nods

The musical-dramedy “Glee” got some serious Golden Globe love Tuesday, emerging with more nominations than any show. Among the Fox series’ four nominations is Best Television Series – Comedy or Musical.

On the Paramount Studios lot, where “Glee” is filmed, the show’s cast could be found Tuesday hugging and laughing after hearing the news.

“Amazing, ” said actor Corey Monteith, who plays the series’ football hunk Finn Hudson. “It is kind of like it is like Christmas morning.”

“The four best presents ever, ” added actor Kevin McHale.

Charlotte Observer

ETA:

With Ellen In at ‘Idol, ‘ Paula’s Feeling Out

To everyone who asked “Why in the world would Paula Abdul quit ‘American Idol?” a few months ago, it seems that Abdul herself is now pondering the same question. Word is, she’s bummed out and her replacement (Ellen DeGeneres) is absolutely the talk of the ‘Idol’ set. That, plus a movie fit for a Queen (seriously) and Angelina Jolie’s journalistic dreams take a hit.

Popeater

ETA:

REVIEW & SLIDE SHOW: Daughtry pulls off professional show

Chris Daughtry’s music is simple and safe and somewhat clich. In fact, there’s nothing new here ‘” Nickelback-meets-Fuel-meets-Creed-meets …

We get it, already.

But heck, it’s played well. Simply put, Daughtry, the band of the former “American Idol” rocker from North Carolina, is the epitome of aught-decade pop-rock, power-chord culture, all wrapped up in a neat and inoffensive muscle-bound, scruffy-bearded package.

Wearing a tight black button-up work shirt and knit cap, Chris Daughtry sauntered out Tuesday night onto the short catwalk at the BOK Center. Young moms, their tween-age daughters and frat rockers alike screamed with disbelief as they grabbed for camera phones.

Tulsa World

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255 Comments

  1. Danny is performing tonight in the Jingle Bell Jam event at Coyote Joe’s in Chalotte, NC. Some other country artists (David Nail, Phil Vassar, Mallary Hope) will be performing at this event as well. I hope that Danny performs to a packed place like he has for some of his solo concerts he has done recently.

  2. David Archuleta is in the January issue of the teen magazine M.
    So is Adam Lambert!…

    Scan 1. Archie poster
    Scan 2. Fortune Cards (Adam is on this one)
    Scan 3. Horoscopes

  3. tiger92- That was wonderful but the link doesn’t work for me. Love what the author had to say! Thanks

  4. Wow. That’s an excellent piece from Time. I hope that writer’s well-paid because he really captures Adam:

    His talent: “granite-splitting” voice

    His expression of his sexuality: a “glittered out,” gay “man, not a man-child”

    and his “edgy with a smile” spirit: the “dreidel” quip.

    Adam is the MAN, baby. Number #8 Person Who Mattered.

  5. Adam is the MAN, baby. Number #8 Person Who Mattered.

    Amen- I had to favorite that article. Amazing

  6. Had a little bit too much champagne, Stacey?

    The X Factor contestant was a little unsteady on her feet as she slipped and twisted over on her ankle as she made her way out of the show’s wrap party last night.

    Anyone who has seen Stacey on the show and seen her attempt to dance knows that normally walking is more than enough for her. So sure she could have had a bit of champers and that didn’t help, or she could just have a bit of a twist with nary a drop, because yeah, graceful she’s not.

    And oohhh Adam will be behaved on screen for SYTYCD, how shocking! just like on he was on CBS Early Show, Letterman, The View and Conan before it. Can’t wait for this AMA mess to be stop being refrenced. Beyond bored with it.

  7. And oohhh Adam will be behaved on screen for SYTYCD, how shocking! just like on he was on CBS Early Show, Letterman, The View and Conan before it. Can’t wait for this AMA mess to be refrenced. Beyond bored with it.

    There are consequences for actions both good and bad. Adam’s AMA performance won him a lot of publicity but it also caused people to distrust him. He chose to perform the way he did on the AMAs and now must live with the consequences. I think Adam realizes this.

  8. Oh and can’t wait for the new song from Kris from the AOL sessions. And seeing it before it gets taken down this time. Very cool.

    Wish I had a chance to see the Allison ones again, are they out there, or did AOL put the hammer on them all?

  9. HeH, Adam will behave, but LOL in every performance, do you notice that he barely goes near Tommy, probably so he doesnt get carried away, ya think, or just so no one makes any suggestions that he is doing something wrong. Cant wait for his performance tonite, and see what he is wearing. Just wish he could sing another song. Sure Fire Winners would be sooo awsome.

  10. Adam is the MAN, baby. Number #8 Person Who Mattered.

    That’s a very bizarre list. The only thing they have in common is that they were reported on, some to the point of over exposure. So, I assume it’s people who mattered to the media.

  11. There are consequences for actions both good and bad. Adam’s AMA performance won him a lot of publicity but it also caused people to distrust him. He chose to perform the way he did on the AMAs and now must live with the consequences. I think Adam realizes this

    Yes, of course. Adam himself has said he gets ABC’s decisions. That being said, after a while one looks at the preponderance of evidence, that is out of all his performances after AI that were live or taped or whatever, one was bad and ‘off script,’ and since then, while performing another song entirely that isn’t like that, he hasn’t done anything remotely like that. And he’s said he gets ABC, rehersal whatever. My point is that at a certain point common sense would say it’s not a point worth bringing up…again.

    More importantly I am bored with it being referenced and of course, it’s all about me and my needs. :D

  12. Wish I had a chance to see the Allison ones again, are they out there, or did AOL put the hammer on them all?

    Waiting on paper work form Allison’s peeps is what I heard.

  13. That’s a very bizarre list. The only thing they have in common is that they were reported on, some to the point of over exposure. So, I assume it’s people who mattered to the media.

    Yeah, but I think Time is trying to sell magazines. So whether they’re correct about their judgments on this point or not, I think they mostly choose to report on people that they believe will resonate with their readers, who resonate with the trends of the day.

  14. There have been several success stories, depending on how you define success. First season winner Kelly Clarkson continues to maintain a thriving career, though much of that has involved a process of reinvention. Former contestant Jennifer Hudson won an Oscar for Dreamgirls, but only after she’d sufficiently distanced herself from the show. (Ask producer Simon Cowell how he feels about that.) Finally, there’s the most recent runner-up Adam Lambert, the queer alternative to squeaky-clean winner Kris Allen.

    I must be missing something. How does this last correlation have anything to do with AI success stories (or not)???? Perhaps this SF journalist was trying to get hits to his write-ups????

  15. ok lets not recap the AMAs for the 10000 time….lol

    i do not think x factor will go well over here

  16. Yeah, but I think Time is trying to sell magazines. So whether they’re correct about their judgments on this point or not, I think they mostly choose to report on people that they believe will resonate with their readers, who resonate with the trends of the day.

    It’s all very circular. If we report on something enough, it becomes “important,” even if it actually doesn’t “matter.”

    i do not think x factor will go well over here

    I hope it doesn’t because I think American Idol is a better show, and I’d hate for it to be replaced by its much inferior cousin.

  17. HeH, Adam will behave, but LOL in every performance, do you notice that he barely goes near Tommy, probably so he doesnt get carried away, ya think, or just so no one makes any suggestions that he is doing something wrong.

    Actually I have noticed that whenever he does come close the camera is switched to Monte or Lisa. :grin:

    During the Conan taping there was no interaction with Tommy as far as I can tell but Tommy also has a cold or something right now so it’s wise to stay away.

  18. “He chose to perform the way he did on the AMAs and now must live with the consequences.”

    Yep . . . and he’s living LARGE and WELL those consequences, i.e. being the NUMBER 8 Person Who Matters in Time Magazine, most recently. The list goes on, and so do I, too often, so I’ll stop – but, really, “bad, bad Adam” just makes me laugh and laugh.

  19. From Lady Gaga to Susan Boyle, 10 acts to watch in 2010.

    And then there’s Adam Lambert, the openly gay runner-up of American Idol’s eighth season who continues to court fans and controversy.

    After an onslaught of cover stories and other headlines, the man dubbed “the wild idol” struck big with For Your Entertainment. Released in November, Lambert’s debut album opened at No. 3 on the Billboard 200 with nearly 200,000 copies sold stateside. (It plummeted the following week.) More recently, Lambert put himself in the eye of a media storm when he thrust his crotch at and kissed fellow men onstage at the American Music Awards. But even after Good Morning America canceled a follow-up performance, he told Barbara Walters he had no regrets on her most fascinating people special (he was joined by Michelle Obama, Tyler Perry and Gaga, among others). Still to come: being honored as a breakout star at the upcoming People’s Choice Awards.

    Link to entire article: http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/15/rising-….ylor-swift.html

  20. Waiting on paper work form Allison’s peeps is what I heard.

    Thanks for letting me know.

    Darn ontd_ai and not locking that post. grrrr.

  21. The “Times list” is in alphabetical order…DUH!!!

    But Adam is fascinating…I simply love him. His CD has been in my car CD player since November 23, 2009, I took it out briefly last night while my sisters were in the car so they could hear some of Whitney Houston. I put it back in this a.m. on my drive to work.

    I really am glad to be a Adam fan, but I just needed to let you know that the list is in alphabetical order, he isn’t the 8th most important person of the year!!! – LOL

  22. From the pictures section of the same article saga used for Adam:

    Kris Allen
    After winning American Idol in May, his self-titled album was released last month and debuted at No. 11 on the Billboard 200, selling more than 80,000 copies. In early December, he was nominated as a breakout star for the upcoming People’s Choice Awards. He’ll also perform at Billboard’s New Year’s Eve Live special on Fox.

    Seems Forbes sees potential for both these guys :)

  23. More recently, Lambert put himself in the eye of a media storm when he thrust his crotch at and kissed fellow men onstage at the American Music Awards

    I really don’t like the word crotch.

  24. Of course Adam will be well behaved on SYTYCD. His latest single is the most innocuous and insipid song on his album. Not his fault, but I think the label kind of neutered him by going with that one.

  25. I don’t understand your point/analysis regarding Time Magazine’s Persons Who Mattered List.

    “The only thing they have in common is that they were reported on, some to the point of over exposure.”

    And:

    ” If we report on something enough, it becomes ‘important,’  even if it actually doesn’t ‘matter.’  (“we”?)

    So, here’s some other names from the list, okay:

    Neda Agha-Aoltan
    Llyod Blankfein
    Hamid Karzai
    Manny Pacquiao
    Zhou Xiaochuan
    Manuel Zelaya and
    Roberto Micheletti.

    Do you consider these people who only “matter to the media.” I don’t see these guys getting LOTS of “media” attention myself. They may get some seriuos press . . .

    I don’t see “Balloon Boy” on the list . . . Even the names that are familiar to me (such as Obama and Palin) are obvoiusly more than mere “media” faves.

    Time Magazine thinks he’s the NUMBER 8 Person Who Matters. I think they’ve got some cred.

  26. I really am glad to be a Adam fan, but I just needed to let you know that the list is in alphabetical order, he isn’t the 8th most important person of the year!!! ‘“ LOL

    He’s on the “People Who Matter” list, different thant the “People of the Year” list.

    Time is really into making lists!

  27. “Best of” lists are subjective based on whoever compiles them – it’s cool to be on them, no big deal if you’re not, and of course folks will be happy if their guy or gal are on there :)

  28. I can’t open the Forbes article but was wondering on the choice of wording –
    Adam is being honored for a People’s Choice award, Kris was nominated for a People’s Choice award. Did I miss something?

  29. mj
    12/16/2009 at 11:20 am
    I really am glad to be a Adam fan, but I just needed to let you know that the list is in alphabetical order, he isn’t the 8th most important person of the year!!! ‘“ LOL

    He’s on the ‘People Who Matter’  list, different thant the ‘People of the Year’  list.

    Time is really into making lists!

    __________________

    Thanks MJ – I used the wrong list name, but my point was really that the list is in alphabetical order, so whoever thought Adam was the 8th “anything” I was pointing out that he was 8th alphabetically!!!

  30. Kris, SuBo, Adam and Justin Bieber all made Forbes’s Rising Stars (photo) list.

    In Pictures: Music’s Rising Stars

    SuBo
    Unknown before appearing as a contestant on Britain’s Got Talent in April, she stunned viewers and judges alike with her rendition of the song I Dreamed a Dream from the musical Les Misrables. A clip of her performance was viewed more than 300 million times online. Her debut album rolled out in November and shot to the top of charts. Up next, Simon Cowell is interested in making a film about Boyle’s meteoric rise.

    Kris Allen
    After winning American Idol in May, his self-titled album was released last month and debuted at No. 11 on the Billboard 200, selling more than 80,000 copies. In early December, he was nominated as a breakout star for the upcoming People’s Choice Awards. He’ll also perform at Billboard’s New Year’s Eve Live special on Fox.

    Odd how Taylor Swift and Lady Gaga were on that lists. Yes, they continue to rise, but are very successful stars. Hm, interesting list.

  31. Adam is being honored for a People’s Choice award, Kris was nominated for a People’s Choice award. Did I miss something?

    sounds like a double standard maybe!? :p

  32. sounds like a double standard maybe!? :p

    Putting what they want into words maybe – though honestly GaGa deserves to win the category the boys are in.

  33. HeH, Adam will behave, but LOL in every performance, do you notice that he barely goes near Tommy, probably so he doesnt get carried away, ya think, or just so no one makes any suggestions that he is doing something wrong.

    Well, considering the last time Adam went — ahem — near Tommy, Adam ended up with the Flu, I suspect he’ll be staying far away from Tommy (aka the sick one with the drippy nose). ;)

  34. Darn ontd_ai and not locking that post. grrrr.

    Yeah, so much for being “more accessible”. That won’t be happening again. The suits were on that so fast….

    I’m anxiously awaiting the “new” Kris song for AOL Sessions – as far as I know, Andrew never answered if “new” meant a song off the album that hadn’t yet been performed, or a newly written song. Teasing has infiltrated the entire @krisallenband, I see.

  35. ‘  If we report on something enough, it becomes ‘important,’  even if it actually doesn’t ‘matter.’  (‘ we’ ?)

    Do you consider these people who only ‘matter to the media.’  I don’t see these guys getting LOTS of ‘media’  attention myself. They may get some seriuos press . . .

    I’m guessing the situation differs for each person and Time tried to get people from all walks of life. But every year there are definitely a few celebrities that the media spends much effort convincing us that they matter. Paris Hilton is the best example I can think of. The media pushed (endlessly), the public became interested in her until she eventually became a popular topic of discussion. I think Adam gets the Paris Hilton award this year (not because he isn’t interesting, but because the hype came too early). The media expected people to find him interesting but jumped the gun and went into a media frenzy before people (outside of the idol bubble) had the chance to care. So yes….it strikes me as premature media hype. If Adam is lucky, this hype will serve as a self-fulfilling prophecy. If the media storm backfires (hopefully low likelihood), then it will be truly unfortunate because he actually does have a very good album that probably could have spoken for itself.

  36. I don’t understand your point/analysis regarding Time Magazine’s Persons Who Mattered List.

    ‘The only thing they have in common is that they were reported on, some to the point of over exposure.’ 

    And:

    ‘  If we report on something enough, it becomes ‘important,’  even if it actually doesn’t ‘matter.’  (‘ we’ ?)

    We = the media.

    I didn’t say the entire list is filled with people who only matter because the media covers them but that it was the only thing they had in common. Some of these people actually do matter and some don’t matter very much at all. The media doesn’t discriminate between actual substance and lack thereof.

    I was listening to MSNBC this morning and someone was arguing that Time’s Person of the Year should’ve been “The Wannabe,” as in I wanna be known and get attention any which way I can.

  37. Paris Hilton is the best example I can think of. The media pushed (endlessly), the public became interested in her until she eventually became a popular topic of discussion.

    Honestly, I think this just happens because of the extreme laziness of some media, not because anybody’s really trying to make somebody important, and a heck of a lot of the entertainment media fall into the terminally-lazy category. ….

    They want something to cover, Paris puts herself out there with a major PR effort, and because it would be much much harder to actually think about who *is* important or who readers might actually already be interested in covering and then go seek out those people, seek interviews, and try to craft good stories about them, it’s just about a million times easier to “report” on the people whose PR agents are shoving them — with photos and B-roll — in their faces.

    Paris wanted to become famous, she put together a major PR operation, and the lazy entertainment media totally obliged.

  38. Let’s not overlook the fact that Adam is also the No. 12 Person Who Mattered in the Time magazine reader’s poll! Positioned right between Olympia Snowe and Taylor Swift.

    Though it appears the rankings are based on some kind of weighted system, because even though Barack Obama is No. 5, Adam actually got more votes than him! Cue the outrage.

    ETA: OOPS! Now I see that that reader’s poll is in flux, because the polls haven’t closed! Adam is now No. 10! Come on people, let’s get busy!!! (Sorry MJ, I know you don’t allow electioneering.)

    ETA 2: I just voted! I ranked him at 100.

  39. Speaking of “winning” awards, Andy Skib — from David Cook’s band — won twitpic of the year in the Open Web Awards 2009.

    He won for this twitpic of himself, David, and Kyle Peek jumping for joy outside the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

    http://twitpic.com/i0q2a

    What I don’t understand is, Monty Anderson — Cook’s bass player — actually took the picture. Why didn’t *he* win the award, huh Andy?! ;-)

  40. Both Kris and Adam are talented but their after-idol careers are going to go in completely different paths. They aren’t really going to compete for the same fans. I don’t think they even want the same type of careers, except they both want to make a living in music.

    I am not sure about the success of their singles and albums because that path seems to be getting harder and harder unless you are already an established recording star. I think they are both going to gain fans basically through their future concerts and this is going to be great fun to watch.

  41. Though it appears the rankings are based on some kind of weighted system, because even though Barack Obama is No. 5, Adam actually got more votes than him! Cue the outrage.

    I think the votes represent those who chose to rank a given individual on the 1-100 rating scale TIME has online for each “person that mattered.”

    Different numbers of people chose to rate each person, hence the different numbers of votes. The ranks are based on TIME’s 1-100 scale.

    More people may have registered ratings for Adam but Obama received more positive ratings, hence the higher ranking.

    ETA: These polls mean nothing. If a survey is not done with a representative random sample of some population, it is not scientific.

  42. Adam and Monte have been friends for years & formed Adam’s first band “Citizen Vein”- he gives recognition to Monte, just a nod to Tommy as not to be rude and ignore him since he is guitarist too. I just want to know the name of new band.I think something like “adventure’ or “livin life” would suit.Anyway, we all have been here to see the first year of Adam Lambert at the beginning of his career, for free on tv, and we are very lucky.He is a great singer/entertainer, and also a very brave, honest, personalbe guy, a bit naive, very articulate and intelligent, poised and sweet. And his sexuality is erotic, gorgeous, and he is precious, adorable, and like all those smart successful ladies of The View, I love him.

  43. I have no doubt that Adam will be ranked very high on that TIME poll soon enough. I’m sure the Glamberts are on this one. Whateva.

  44. ETA: These polls mean nothing. If a survey is not done with a representative random sample of some population, it is not scientific.

    Very very true. But we had a similar discussion in yesterday’s Headlines thread in regard to the Rolling Stone Breakout Artist of the Year reader’s poll, where Adam was No. l. My position on the matter is that an online reader’s poll is only meant to measure the enthusiasm and support of fanbases, so if Adam’s fanbase is more committed to power voting than another artist’s, then so be it. That’s what a reader’s poll is for.

  45. I think Adam’s fans are actually doing him a disservice by trying to push him to the top of every poll out there. They’re not allowing him to be known for his music and I worry that the overzealousness can lead to a Clay Aiken situation that had to do with the Claymates and their overzealousness in pushing Clay. Adam wants to be about the music – so his fans should let the music speak.

  46. Ranking Adam above some of the people on that TIME list could lead to some eyerolling and even some backlash.

    Then again, I have no idea who even looks at TIME’s website and polling. I would have never known about this poll if not for reading today’s headlines thread on MJ’s.

  47. I kind of agree Anovich, but this happens every year with Idols, and it does—usually—die down. Last year was awful with the Davids and voting on the VH1 top 20 countdown. Songs were spending WEEKS at number one, even when radio airplay wasn’t reflecting such popularity. The comments from fans of other artists were not too nice on the VH1 site. And, yet, people were still voting 100s of times. But, it does die down, and things are allowed to move in a more organic way.

    I wouldn’t worry about the RS reader’s poll—it has been around a long time.

  48. HappyDaisy
    12/16/2009 at 12:40 pm
    Ranking Adam above some of the people on that TIME list could lead to some eyerolling and even some backlash.

    Then again, I have no idea who even looks at TIME’s website and polling. I clicked out of curiosity and would have never known about this poll if not for reading today’s headlines thread on MJ’s.

    Weary of all of the hype surrounding this guy well before he’s done much to earn it. I have Adam’s CD, but have not listened to it since I first bought it. Just kind of turned off by the endless hype of this guy.

    _________________________

    Ignore the hype – if you like him, you like him. I pretty much read as much as I can take for each day, then I tune it out. I read mainly with the hopes that Adam will only get “praise” but when he doesn’t I don’t get bummed out, I just say maybe next time…

    I would never stop listening to his album because the media and social networks hype him so much, I LOVE HIS VOICE, and his album PLEASES ME!!!

  49. Adam wants to be about the music ‘“ so his fans should let the music speak.

    I don’t go around hunting for polls but if I happen to run across one I will vote for whomever I please. The only time I voted for Adam more than once was when he was a contestant on Idol and then just a miniscule amount compared to some fans, and more recently a few times on VH1 for FYE.

    I don’t think you can persuade people to stop voting, particularly since we don’t get the chance to see Adam perform as often as we’d like. The contestants on Idol came into our living room every week and some of us got used to voting. Some habits become a little ingrained :)

  50. HeH, Adam will behave, but LOL in every performance, do you notice that he barely goes near Tommy, probably so he doesnt get carried away, ya think, or just so no one makes any suggestions that he is doing something wrong.

    In the Early Show appearance, during the guitar break, you can see him sort of dancing around next to Tommy, and sort of doing a ‘back to back’ shoulder lean into him, but as someone else said, the camera only showed a hint of it.

    On Letterman, during the guitar break, Adam and Tommy are facing each other , but the camera cuts Tommy out of the shot.

  51. Do people really care either way about voter polls on these websites? It’s cool that TIME included Adam in their official lists, and the write-up was very nice.

    But it doesn’t matter if Adam is #1 on the voter list or not on it at all.

  52. I don’t go around hunting for polls but if I happen to run across one I will vote for whomever I please.

    There;s nothing wrong with voting in a poll but
    I do think there are those who just take it too far. there was apost on ont_ai this morning begging people to vote for Adam as Z100s best new artist of the year – there almost seems to abe a war with Justin Beiber’s fans. And the post said not to bother voting for Kris just because he was too far behind to actually win. To me, there’s nothing wrong with voting a couple of times for an artist on a site here or ther – but to beg people to vote simply to beat someone else – and to have this need to spam others to get votes just doesn’t help lend itself to someone’s credability.

    I thought Adam winning the RS poll was also ridiculous. I know over at RS they are massive Adam fans but to have him win out of some of the others on the list seemed a little too out there for me.

  53. I kind of agree Anovich, but this happens every year with Idols, and it does’”usually’”die down. Last year was awful with the Davids and voting on the VH1 top 20 countdown. Songs were spending WEEKS at number one, even when radio airplay wasn’t reflecting such popularity. The comments from fans of other artists were not too nice on the VH1 site. And, yet, people were still voting 100s of times. But, it does die down, and things are allowed to move in a more organic way.

    I think the only reason the VH1 situation died down was because VH1 didn’t pick up Archie’s 2nd single and they discontinued Crush themselves (after it lost radio play), which put an end to the fanwars (which was definitely fueling the voting on both sides). I think Archie’s Crush was at #1 for an extremely long time until Cook’s video was released. Then for a while they kept switching #1 and #2 spots for 1-2 months. Even as a Cook fan I found the whole situation annoying to other artists who deserved those spots just as much. After Archie’s video was taken down, Cook was able to get to #1 a few times but probably not enough to piss people off (people gradually lost interest in voting which helped him blend in with the other artists ). But seriously, I didn’t think the situation would have ever died down otherwise…..

    I don’t think Kris’ fanbase is as active in the polls as either of the David’s fans were last year so that might make the situation better this year.

  54. On twitter there saying that Kris Sang RG on the aol session someone that was at the taping post what all songs he sang 5 songs all together.

  55. does neone have any idea what time adam will be on sytycd tonight? i thought i read about him being towards the end but who nos, also what is the format like for the finale?

  56. Another song is Oh Holy Night.and he sang LLWD, CSA, and IIO

  57. Speaking of ‘winning’  awards, Andy Skib ‘” from David Cook’s band ‘” won twitpic of the year in the Open Web Awards 2009.

    He won for this twitpic of himself, David, and Kyle Peek jumping for joy outside the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

    http://twitpic.com/i0q2a

    Haha, I love that pic – way to go, Andy :) .

  58. I do think there are those who just take it too far. there was apost on ont_ai this morning begging people to vote for Adam as Z100s best new artist of the year ‘“ there almost seems to abe a war with Justin Beiber’s fans. And the post said not to bother voting for Kris just because he was too far behind to actually win. To me, there’s nothing wrong with voting a couple of times for an artist on a site here or ther ‘“ but to beg people to vote simply to beat someone else ‘“ and to have this need to spam others to get votes just doesn’t help lend itself to someone’s credability.

    The Beiber Kid sent out a twitter himself asking his fans to vote for him so that his what started the massive voting last night. Essentially, the Beiber Kid was begging for votes or he would not have tweeted it. Does it decrease his credibility? I don’t think so. His fans responded and anyone with a brain sees that he is going to be big with the tweens. Some peeps have fun voting in these things and trying to beat the competition. Most of the time, it is not the artists asking for it although I did see where Kris ask peeps to vote for him for the Regis and Kelly award thingy and he mentioned the PCA! He has also tweeted for fans to vote for the concert and is expected to mention it on the radio again today. But, it keeps fans invested somewhat. Most of the polls mean nothing but a little pride.

  59. Adam is being honored for a People’s Choice award, Kris was nominated for a People’s Choice award. Did I miss something?

    I don’t understand this question. Kris and Adam are both nominees for the Breakout Artist (?) People’s Choice award, and the winner hasn’t been announced.

  60. Ranking Adam above some of the people on that TIME list could lead to some eyerolling and even some backlash.

    But not from me. People are freaking out about Adam’s popularity again. Even the people who dislike him a lot (not because he’s gay, of course, but for some other reason, like he’s too OTT, which is a PC way of saying the same thing, no?)…anyway, a lot of the Adam dislikers are at least honest enough to admit that he can really sing.

    Adam has achieved true celebrity, whether we like to admit it or not. But it’s not empty celebrity. It’s backed up by talent; it’s also backed up by charisma and sex appeal. Given that he is currently a top celebrity, it should be no surprise he’s way up there on these lists.

    To the Adam dislikers, it’s probably no surprise either. It’s just that they don’t like it. Because they are green with envy that their guy (this year or last year or whatever year) could never achieve this kind of celebrity level. And that’s why they are kind of negative on this whole recognition by the media thing.

    But look, if Adam can win over Sherri and Elizabeth Hasselback on the View, who knows? Maybe he could win over Sarah Palin next…I sure wouldn’t want to bet against Adam…

  61. I don’t understand this question. Kris and Adam are both nominees for the Breakout Artist (?) People’s Choice award, and the winner hasn’t been announced.

    I think it’s that the way this was written implies Adam has won and Kris was nominated when there have been no winners announced as of yet.

  62. Awww, that story of Megan Phalen just got me teared up. How wonderful that the radio station is sponsoring a benefit concert for her and bringing her idol, Jason Castro. And how wonderful that Jason is doing this for her.

  63. I doubt Adam beat out Lady Gaga for the People’s Choice Award. Although considering how his most ardent/determined fans are determined to votevotevotevote for Adam to get him to #1 on everything they can, I guess it’s possible.

    But the winner won’t be announced until the show airs in early January

  64. Meanwhile, has this been posted yet?

    krisallenband
    # new song debuting on AOL Sessions in a few days…. -andrew about 11 hours ago from web

    NEW SONG FROM KRIS (and the band) DEBUTING IN FEW DAYS! AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

  65. Can’t wait to hear what th new song is. Also, I love that his band has a twitter now! Just one more way to get Kris info! I hope some video show up sooner rather than later.

  66. I think it’s that the way this was written implies Adam has won and Kris was nominated when there have been no winners announced as of yet.

    Hmmm, I didn’t read it that way at all. There’s no way for them to know that. I think the writer just broke out their Thesaurus or something looking for another way to say nominated.

    Plus Gaga’s totally gonna win anyway, LOL.

  67. Adam makes another list YouTube lists Adam as one of the fastest rising searches on its site in the US. Here’s the list:

    Fastest Rising YouTube search terms by month (U.S.):
    January: obama inauguration
    February: on a boat
    March: watchmen
    April: susan boyle
    May: pacquiao
    June: michael jackson thriller
    July: wedding
    August: send it on
    September: kanye west
    October: paranormal activity
    November: adam lambert
    December: tiger woods

    No surprise that it was for the month of November. I think I heard *something* about a little gig he had then. People are definitely talking about him and from the numbers so far, they’re buying his music too. I can’t wait to see what 2010 brings *crosses fingers and hopes for a tour*

  68. Although considering how his most ardent/determined fans are determined to votevotevotevote for Adam to get him to #1 on everything they can, I guess it’s possible.

    But we weren’t able to get him to #1 on American Idol, because when we tried to vote, the lines were busy.

    No matter how determined Adam’s fans are, we can’t make Adam a great singer if he’s not, we can’t make him charismatic if he’s not, we can’t make him handsome if he’s not, we can’t make him give great interviews if he can’t, we can’t give him sex appeal if he doesn’t have it already, we can’t make him into a ubercelebrity if he’s not… we can’t do the most important things of all.

    Because Adam’s greatness and popularity are based on Adam, not the people who recognize him for who he is.

  69. Adam has achieved true celebrity, whether we like to admit it or not.

    He is definitely a celebrity but so are people like the Gosselins and it doesn’t necessarily pay off.

  70. Although considering how his most ardent/determined fans are determined to votevotevotevote for Adam to get him to #1 on everything they can, I guess it’s ( the Peoples Choice Award) possible.

    …and this is a bad thing??
    It’s a PEOPLES Choice Award! It depends on a strong fan base for anyone….in any category…to win. It is not a “Critics Choice Award”.

    ..and by the way the PCA site is designed, the organizers obviously encourage and facilitate muliple voting. The same voting model used by American Idol, Time’s best list, etc..etc.. and none of them seem interested in changing to one person/one vote.

  71. My gripe is not with Adam. I guess I don’t agree with the TIME “persons that mattered” collection of people on which people are voting. If someone wants to rank Adam above the Gosselins, Woods, Leno, Letterman, Swift, and such others, fine, whatever.

    But to rank him above Sully, the Iranian woman, the president, and the CEO who is saving Ford Motor Company??? That’s pretty sad stuff: to rank a potential new pop star above such figures as in the second list of people I noted — what does that say? If it was a true survey, I’d be very worried about this country.

    But it’s a meaningless, nonscientific poll that’s being spammed by Adam fans. So have fun.

  72. With regards to the “people that matter”, I feel that Adam does matter from the standpoint of breaking barriers, not being afraid of who he is, and being a catalyst for change. To me, he matters a lot more than other entertainers who are just “popular”.

    As far as the voting goes, yes he has a ton of votes, but the fact that his average score is 50-something, there must be a lot of people out there who don’t think he matters at all, and is just a big joke.

    I agree with whoever said that it might not be in Adam’s best interest for the rabid fans to vote him to the top of every possible poll. That just turns a lot of people off, including his peers in the industry who are important for him to keep in his corner.

  73. ..and by the way the PCA site is designed, the organizers obviously encourage and facilitate muliple voting. The same voting model used by American Idol, Time’s best list, etc..etc.. and none of them seem interested in changing to one person/one vote.

    Actually, the People’s Choice awards do try to limit multiple voting. The official rule is one vote per person per day. Of course peeps know ways to circumvent that rule, but it’s different from AI in that regard.

  74. …not because he’s gay, of course, but for some other reason, like he’s too OTT, which is a PC way of saying the same thing, no?

    Not necessarily. Having a flamboyant performing style is not necessarily tied to one’s sexuality. Just take a look at the history of rock music to figure that out.

    To the Adam dislikers, it’s probably no surprise either. It’s just that they don’t like it. Because they are green with envy that their guy (this year or last year or whatever year) could never achieve this kind of celebrity level.

    You actually have no idea what people are thinking unless you’ve managed to crawl inside their brains. Please refrain from assuming people’s motives. It starts arguments.

  75. He is definitely a celebrity but so are people like the Gosselins and it doesn’t necessarily pay off.

    Not to mention Hamid Karzai.

  76. He is definitely a celebrity but so are people like the Gosselins and it doesn’t necessarily pay off.

    The Gosselins are has beens, now without a TV show, whose 15 minutes of fame are maybe about to evaporate. They are excellent examples of “empty celebrities” who have no known talent to back up their celebrity with. On the other hand, Adam is truly talented, and his entertainment career is just beginning.

    edit: seem my post above.

  77. Actually, the People’s Choice awards do try to limit multiple voting. The official rule is one vote per person per day. Of course peeps know ways to circumvent that rule, but it’s different from AI in that regard.

    thanks for the clarification will….but seems like their rule is a rather weak effort to limit multiple votes. Even if a voter followed the rules (although a printed rule w/ no enforcment is pretty ineffectual) fans can still “legally” vote multiple times.

  78. If someone wants to rank Adam above the Gosselins, Woods, Leno, Letterman, and such others, fine, whatever. But to rank him above Sully, the Iranian woman, the president, and the CEO who is saving Ford Motor Company??? That’s pretty sad stuff: to rank a potential new pop star above such figures

    That particular list is in alphabetical order. No ranking made or implied. Just a group of people who, in their opinion, personify some trends and zeitgeisty stuff that were abroad in America this year.

  79. I think people also need to remember that probably the only ones seeing EVERY SINGLE LIST are those fans on Idol blogs and fan sites. The ordinary person will see one or maybe two which isn’t a bad thing for Adam at all. Heck, I would guess that Adam is not even aware of all the lists he is making.

  80. Even if a voter followed the rules (although a printed rule w/ no enforcment is pretty ineffectual) fans can still ‘legally’  vote multiple times.

    I think that involves using multiple e-mail accounts and masking your IP address. So it’s not really “legal.”

  81. The TMZ article made me sick – I really would love to know where they even came up with that crap from.

  82. I think that involves using multiple e-mail accounts and masking your IP address. So it’s not really ‘legal.’ 

    will… maybe I misunderstood. I was refering to “one vote per person PER DAY.” On a site available online for how many days? I understand that to mean a fan could “legally” vote every day the site was open.

  83. The TMZ article made me sich ‘“ I really would love to know where they even came up with that crap from.

    I stopped going to TMZ ages ago for that same reason.

  84. TMZ:

    ‘Idol’ Champ Affected by Tiger Woods Syndrome

    TMZ at it again…just ridiculous…and the comments are even worse. Ugh.

    And, I just don’t believe that Adam has broken any barriers…sorry…at least none that have not been broken by others before him and with much more risk to their careers…sorry, I just can’t buy that. And catalyst for change? Sorry, don’t see that either. Unless it is in reference to the type of American Idol contestants we’ve seen in the past, that he was different from the rest.

  85. Like I said, people are negative about Adam just because they’re sore that ‘their guy’  was never able to achieve this level of celebrity, and do it so fast’ ¦

    I don’t think you can paint everyone with the same brush like that. I personally am annoyed with all the Adam hype and it has absolutely nothing to do with “my guy.” At all. I still bought four of Adam’s songs, so my annoyance also didn’t stop me from buying his music. I can be annoyed apart from other things in my life :)

  86. TMZ at it again’ ¦just ridiculous’ ¦and the comments are even worse. Ugh.

    Yeah, I read about five comments and… yuck. I learned from my Cookie fandom to avoid article comments like the plague, lol.

  87. I guess they meant new song as it hadn’t been performed in public before. It will be nice to hear it performed live though.

  88. So TMZ took Kris’s jokes and made it into a scathing and horrible article which they used to insult both him and his wife – what they’ll do for hits is insane.

  89. Even as a Cook fan I found the whole situation annoying to other artists who deserved those spots just as much.

    Deserved? I recall Elliott Yamin’s video making it to number 1 before. So did Daughtry in years past. Last week, Daughtry, Kelly, Carrie, Adam and Kris were in the countdown. *shrugs* I don’t know how anyone “deserves” a top spot in the countdown and how you’d determine who might be “worthy” either.

  90. No matter how determined Adam’s fans are, we can’t make Adam a great singer if he’s not, we can’t make him charismatic if he’s not, we can’t make him handsome if he’s not, we can’t make him give great interviews if he can’t, we can’t give him sex appeal if he doesn’t have it already, we can’t make him into a ubercelebrity if he’s not’ ¦ we can’t do the most important things of all.

    Because Adam’s greatness and popularity are based on Adam, not the people who recognize him for who he is.

    WOW. *slow clapping* Love your post, Gary!

    Saw the TMZ article about Kris. Didn’t seem so bad to me but then I view everything as an Adam stan so maybe my pain threshhold is higher? :) It seems they saved the worst snark for Tiger (who so richly deserves it). Kris seemed to get a kick out of the paps guy’ questions. He was laughing and smiling.

  91. BTW, just logged in to peek but David Cook’s Team for a Cure has already raised over $9,000 ‘“ so excited about Race for Hope, so wish it was closer to May, lol.

    http://www.braintumorcommunity.org/site/TR/Events/RFH-DC?pg=team&fr_id=1490&team_id=33690

    I love seeing DC’s team numbers climb, but I gotta stop going over there so much. Every time I get on that site, I start clicking on the various teams and reading their blurbs and the people they’re running for, in honor of, etc…. and next thing I know I’m crying for all these brave people I don’t know. Heavy stuff…

    Congrats to Andy for twitpic of the year! It’s a great pic and I still LOL at DC’s girly arched back jump. I agree, Monty should get a prize :). And DC should tweet more photos. He’s a competitive guy, right? Someone tell him it’s on– that he needs to start putting out contenders to win one next year ;).

  92. Saw the TMZ article about Kris. Didn’t seem so bad to me but then I view everything as an Adam stan so maybe my pain threshhold is higher? It seems they saved the worst snark for Tiger (who so richly deserves it). Kris seemed to get a kick out of the paps guy’ questions. He was laughing and smiling.

    The video is extremely funny – Kris is totally snarking on the guy. However, in print, wihtout the video, the whole thing comes off as insulting to both the Allens, IMO.

  93. David Cook just tweeted this: Hey Chiefs fans: I’m singing the anthem this Sunday at Arrowhead! Come help cheer the Chiefs to a win with me for my birthday! The big 2-7!

  94. But it’s a meaningless, nonscientific poll that’s being spammed by Adam fans. So have fun.

    And American Idol has a meaningless, nonscientific poll too which may have been spammed by Adam dislikers, for that matter, or which may have suffered from phone trouble on voting night…like the line being busy.

    I totally agree that “people who matter” like Captain Sullenberger, and that Iranian woman should be recognized; in the case of Captain Sullenberger, he already has… many times over (also, I recognized him by buying his book, and recommend it). That Iranian woman has not been fully recognized. Maybe leading intellectuals like Solzhenitsyn should be recognized too. The President has already been recognized with the Nobel Peace Prize, which is probably more important that some dumb pop culture survey.

    But here’s the deal: in America, we’re obsessed with pop culture…you know, things like American Idol. It’s the number one show on TV. So if people are shocked that the product of that show, Adam Lambert, now an icon of American pop culture and an ubercelebrity, is doing well in some survey…why I’m shocked too, just like the police inspector in Casablanca who was shocked that there was gambling at the casino.

    If you’re a diehard American Idol fan, and then complain about Adam doing well in pop culture land, because he’s coming in ahead of “people who matter”, I think there is a definite disconnect there. Because, to be truthful, a lot of people would be sore that Adam is doing well, and “people who matter” — whoever they may be — have nothing to do with it.

  95. Tangentially related to this thread: in discussing reception of Adam, we’ve had some good rollicking debates about what it means to be gay, what it means to be out, what it means to be sexual, explicit, or transgressive.

    Out magazine put forth an interesting list of “The 100 Greatest Gayest Albums of All Time”

    What makes an album great? And perhaps even more critical for this list, what makes a great album gay? To create our list of the 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums of All Time, we polled more than 100 actors, comedians, musicians, writers, critics, performance artists, label reps, and DJs, asking each to list the 10 most important albums of their lives.

    And after our extended jousting over the classification of Morrissey of the Smiths, he has, at least to Out, the second gayest album of all time!

    http://www.out.com/gayestAlbumsPart2SS.asp?pagenumber=49

  96. Regarding the poll: to me, this is not just about Adam Lambert the entertainer. He is important just by being his “out” and wonderful self. He has had a positive impact on many, many people and will continue to make people question their feelings and ideas about homosexuality. FTR, I never had any negative feelings concerning that. IMO, he is a very important to the very lives and well-being of lots of LBGT’s–also enriching the lives of all of us–WORLDWIDE.

    Than, there’s my very personal aspect of how important Adam is. I’m retired from the rehatilitation field , taking care of my elderly 82 y/o mom 24 hrs a day. My laptop, MJ’s, and Adam have been a source of daily renewal of our hope. We’ve been entertained by him whether by laughing, crying, listening to him–whatever. He means “the world” to our little world. I can’t say that about anyone else on the list.

    That’s why I gave Adam Lambert a grade of 100 on the poll.

  97. People are happy if their idol seems to be recognized in several ways. If their idol isn’t, they come up with reasons why these recognitions are not important.

    I’m thinking that we would see the exact same comments if Kris Allen had been on all the polls, except the posters’ names would be reversed.

  98. Saw this on my local newspaper(San Antonio Express-News), LIFE section, “TUNE IN TODAY” , first paragrah: Adam Lambert, runner-up of the most recent “American Idol,” performs on the season finale of “So You Think You Can Dance” (7 pm…). Can’t name the winner of the 2009 “idol”? You’re probably not alone. By the way, it was Kris Allen, who will appear tonight on “Late Show…..”

  99. will’ ¦ maybe I misunderstood. I was refering to ‘one vote per person PER DAY.’  On a site available online for how many days? I understand that to mean a fan could ‘legally’  vote every day the site was open.

    Sorry Mainegal, I guess we’re both misunderstanding each other. Your first post said the People’s Choice awards use the same voting model as AI, and I pointed out that AI lets you legally vote as many times as you want during the time the lines are open, while the PC awards limit the number of times to one per day — and thus put a “legal” limit on the total number of votes that one person is allowed.

    Now as for the Time reader’s poll, and other such polls, I believe they’re also limited to one vote per IP address. I just tried to vote again, and it wasn’t counted.

  100. Also, nvm about the ‘new song’  ‘” evidently the ‘new’  song they did at the AOL Sessions was Red Guitar. Which is great, but it doesn’t really qualify, in my mind, as ‘new’ 

    I agree and am not surprised, but am disappointed. I look forward to hearing it, though, maybe I’ll like it more live, as I’m not a big fan of the recorded track.

    I don’t click on TMZ or Perez because I think they’re bottomfeeders and am not going to give them a hit, because that’s what they want. I know I don’t matter and can’t change things, but hey, if you don’t even try, then nothing will change. Anyhew, I gather that the headline for their clip was the

    TMZ:

    ‘Idol’ Champ Affected by Tiger Woods Syndrome

    one and implying from the headline, and/or article that Kris is being affected…because they asked him about it, and he said his wife gets nightmares about Tiger? Ha. Typical TMZ and of other rags. They twist things to make things as salacious as possible or to make a story out of things that have been said.

  101. Saw this on my local newspaper(San Antonio Express-News), LIFE section, ‘TUNE IN TODAY’  , first paragrah: Adam Lambert, runner-up of the most recent ‘American Idol,’  performs on the season finale of ‘So You Think You Can Dance’  (7 pm’ ¦). Can’t name the winner of the 2009 ‘idol’ ? You’re probably not alone. By the way, it was Kris Allen, who will appear tonight on ‘Late Show’ ¦..’ 

    And so the media continues to spin the story the way they have since Kris Allen’s name was announced as the winner – seriously, they need to get over it and let these guys get on with their careers without concern with their placing on the show.

  102. Danny just got another radio add from a radio station today in Wilmington, Delaware.

  103. But to rank him above Sully, the Iranian woman, the president, and the CEO who is saving Ford Motor Company??? That’s pretty sad stuff: to rank a potential new pop star above such figures as in the second list of people I noted ‘” what does that say? If it was a true survey, I’d be very worried about this country.

    I think they weren’t recognizing him for being a pop star per say, but that he was managing to have a career while being openly gay. Adam matters because he is helping to change the US’s perception and acceptance of a performer who is gay, and has admitted he was gay since the start of his (at least non-AI) career. At least that is how I understood why Time said Adam mattered. YMMV.

  104. Typical TMZ and of other rags. They twist things to make things as salacious as possible or to make a story out of things that have been said.

    Yep! They all love to spin. Reminds me of that People article about “Adam being worried fans won’t buy his albums after the AMAs.” Spin, spin,spin.

    TMZ:

    ‘Idol’ Champ Affected by Tiger Woods Syndrome

    This reminds me of some of the the crap posted at VFTW or Rickeys. The comments are in line with what I’ve been reading for months on anything with any kind of Adam article. Let me go on record to say I don’t appreciate any of this shit directed towards anyone! It’s not any fun, is it?

  105. That’s why I gave Adam Lambert a grade of 100 on the poll.

    Ceddies, you speak for a lot of us. Thank you for your thoughtful post.

  106. I don’t think being a “brand” is a bad thing. Adam can sing. He can obviously sell lots of Albums, magazines, etc. Peeps have mentioned him for movie roles. Others have thrown around the thoughts of him being the DiorMen jeans guy. Sounds like he will probably have a great career and makes lots of money. To me, that is success. On top of it, he makes good music and makes me happy. All is good.

  107. But it’s a meaningless, nonscientific poll that’s being spammed by Adam fans. So have fun.

    That’s what that poll is there for — to entertain people and drive traffic to Time.com

    But Adam making the Time Mag list of “People who matter” is a big deal and was not selected by a bunch of Adam fans. And, like Adam or not, he is socially and culturally significant, and people are interested in him, what he does and what he says.

    I can’t think of another reality TV star OR new celebrity that has been more significant from a social and cultural standpoint — but I am certain that someone else here will come up with someone.

    SuBo is certainly a huge seller and the most famous reality TV star ever, but I really can’t see that she has any cultural or artist significance. And even SuBo’s fame appears to have peaked a few months ago. Certainly her appearance on Google Trends and in online news has faded.

    Google trends, past 30 days, Adam Lambert = 1.70; Susan Boyle = 1.00

    Adam leads by a similar margin in global news reference volume.

    And Lady Gaga is certainly popular but I don’t think she is socially or culturally significant.

    Note: just to prove that the world isn’t total insane [yet], Obama is still more than 2x Adam search volume and 1.78x Adam news references.

  108. Deserved? I recall Elliott Yamin’s video making it to number 1 before. So did Daughtry in years past. Last week, Daughtry, Kelly, Carrie, Adam and Kris were in the countdown. *shrugs* I don’t know how anyone ‘deserves’  a top spot in the countdown and how you’d determine who might be ‘worthy’  either.

    You missed my point. Making it to #1 a few times and making it to #1 for 3 months straight are two different things. I think the #1 spot was held by someone named David for more than 2 months straight. Given that idol fans are notorious for spamming polls as opposed to fans of other artists, then yes, I think to a certain extent it can be annoying to fans of other artists, resulting in idol backlash. As opposed to judging which videos are worthy, that is obviously subjective, but most of us formulate an opinion about whether or not we personally think a video or song is good. Don’t see why that’s a novelty.

  109. You guys have to understand that TMZ is very sarcastic and their readers know that. Every night they constantly act like they are slandering a story and laugh about it afterwards. TMZ is the most respected name in entertainment news for a reason. They check their sources and get it right without just throwing noodles at the wall and hoping something sticks. They often use sarcasm and act ridiculous like many other outlets but it is always blatant sarcasm. If the story gets pitched tonight they will laugh about it. Guaranteed.

  110. I’m talking about the POLL, not the alpha list. I think Adam’s about to break into the fourth spot on the POLL.

    Okay. But the thing about that is, a lot of the people voting are probably people who are *fans* of somebody — … I mean, people who are seriously interested in the tenor of the times and stuff *may* vote in that poll, but the most likely people who’ll take the time to do that are fans.

    And some people are going to get *no* votes from pop-culture, fan-type folks. Who’s going to vote for Hamid Karzai? Only wonks of various sorts, and I don’t think a lot of wonks are voting. If one is actually seriously thinking about what represents the zeitgeist and what trends of today will have the most potential long-term significance, and such, I expect that one is busy thinking and talking and writing and such — but not voting in a magazine poll!

  111. Kris says there will be a special guest on Letterman tonight.. Wonder what he means..?

  112. Ceddies, you speak for a lot of us. Thank you for your thoughtful post.

    ITA!!!

    I gave two people on that poll 1 vote each of 100. Sullie because he is a hero and we don’t have many. And Adam for his bravery and honesty.

    AfterElton ran a great article on Ten celebrities who came out in 2009. It started with Adam and included this:

    Perhaps the most difficult coming out of the year belonged to Adam Lambert. Not that he had any trouble with it ‘“ the singer will be quick to tell you that he’s always been out, and the only thing he’s used his closet for since he turned eighteen is storing his leather pants and eyeliner. No, Adam’s coming out was difficult for the media, whether it was the traditional media or the gay press.

    And the closing:

    So as you can see, Adam’s journey was somewhat unique, because it wasn’t him taking it ‘“ it was us. He hadn’t been talking to the press because those are the Idol rules. In a way, the roles were reversed with us turning into our parents, noticing signs that maybe our kid might not be straight but not sure how to broach the subject.

    Just chalk it up as yet another way Mr. Lambert is in a category all by himself.

    Link to entire article: http://www.afterelton.com/people/2009/12/coming-out-2009?page=0,1

    I think that Adam has taken not just the media, but a lot of people on journeys this year — gay people, straight people and the undecided — Adam fans and foes — yes even some people who don’t like, approve of, or even hate Adam have been on this journey.

  113. If it was a true survey, I’d be very worried about this country.

    And you’re not worried about the country now, lol???

  114. Just went back over the thread and read through my post again. Can’t believe there are so many errors that I didn’t catch when I read through it before submitting. Oh well, nothing to be done now, and…you got the message. Just don’t like to be thought of as careless. Okay, insert a picture of Adam’s pink “Don’t Judge Me” briefs.

    Also, thanks for the supportive comments.

  115. I’m talking about the POLL, not the alpha list. I think Adam’s about to break into the fourth spot on the POLL.

    From that poll I highly doubt Adam is going to move up much further. He has the most people voting but his score is 60. the 2 spots are over 80. He will never catch up. Also by my guess there are almost as many people voting against Adam as for him. Believe me fans would not be giving him an average score of 60. So the argument goes both way on spamming polls. I think they are taken way too seriously. Also Taylor Swift and the Jonas Brothers win tons of polls and believe me its because of the fanatical fans voting multiple times. Its the nature of the beast.

  116. You put it so well, again, Q#3.

    It’s impressive to me that Adam made the list of People Who Matter, and Time’s excellent write-up made very clear WHY he was included.

    In fact, all their explanations are interesting, well-reasoned and worth considering. It is Time Magazine, not People Magazine.

    To me, the poll is like a little online video game for people to play if they want to.

    Adam is not only singing well and promoting a wonderful and original album that doesn’t sound like so many other albums out there, he’s also putting a new face to male gay sexuality – a confident, cool, sexy, funny, kind, absolutely self-respectin, and IMO handsome face.

    It’s really a very, very good thing, and it really MATTERS to a lot of people. Why is there resistance to that?

  117. KrisAllen We have a special guest for David letterman tonight.
    about 1 hour ago from Echofon

    Did someone ever determine who that was? Perhaps his brother playing in the band with him. (Guessing because he already has one person who auditioned a the same time as he did for AI in the band so why not have the other?) Or will he sing a duet with someone?

  118. Idk, is Adam really all that new and exciting? Aren’t there other gay entertainers out there that have put their careers on the line for their sexuality, before Adam came along? Or is it just that he comes from Idol, the family friendly TV show, that makes him appear to be so shocking? And just because I don’t like OTT flamboyant performance style, doesn’t mean I’m a homophobe. I hated it when Gokey did that crotch thrust on Idol during that group number, whatever it was. I think I have been scarred for life, from that. Ugh. And he’s the least gay person I know, lol.

    If Adam had a huge smash hit, and was blowing up all over the place based on his music, I could see all the publicity, and wouldn’t feel the hype was so exaggerated. But for him to get the hype now, just for being on a reality TV show, and being Gay, is no reason in my book for the media to be salivating over him to this degree. Now, maybe he has the talent to turn this around, for it to become about his music, but at this point, as far as the world at large is concerned, his fame is empty of accomplishments. IMO, YMMV, and all that jazz.

  119. I totally agree. Adam is already bigger than his musical accomplishments merit. If he wasn’t gay, would he be the media darling that he is? Would people be so passionate about him and his music if he had never come out? If it really is about the music, then why is his music never talked about?

  120. Kris says there will be a special guest on Letterman tonight.. Wonder what he means..?

    He means Santa. One of the band members is dressing as Santa. The rest will be wearing festive wear! should be fun

  121. bridget
    12/16/2009 at 3:37 pm
    You put it so well, again, Q#3.

    It’s impressive to me that Adam made the list of People Who Matter, and Time’s excellent write-up made very clear WHY he was included.

    In fact, all their explanations are interesting, well-reasoned and worth considering. It is Time Magazine, not People Magazine.

    To me, the poll is like a little online video game for people to play if they want to.

    Adam is not only singing well and promoting a wonderful and original album that doesn’t sound like so many other albums out there, he’s also putting a new face to male gay sexuality ‘“ a confident, cool, sexy, funny, kind, absolutely self-respectin, and IMO handsome face.

    It’s really a very, very good thing, and it really MATTERS to a lot of people. Why is there resistance to that?

    ITA.
    I’m really happy about Adam making the time list.About the poll, I think it doesn’t matter much(not like it’s a grammy,right?!) so let people have their fun and vote as many times as they want to.if they want to vote once,okay,if they want to vote 1000000 times,so be it.

    the only article in headlines that I’m a bit upset about,is the Adam is well-behaved on sytycd.Why does that even need to be published? it’s like Nigel saying “look,we can’t trust this guy ever again,all because of one performance that got mixed reactions”.people need to get on with their lives(says the girl who cried for 3 weeks straight after the AI finale)

    not that this matters AT ALL,but my friend(who hated Adam,used to like Kris,thought you could only like one) let me play her some songs from fye and she lived them and bow she really likes Adam.her favorite was wwfm(just one person’s opinion ,but Adam in one step closer to world donination)

    :)

  122. The band twitter that Kris and his band has set up tweeted that they were going to be dressed Festively. So am thinking one of them are going to be dress up like santa.A tweeter that is there for tonight said One of the band was dressed up like Santa and said ho ho ho to them when they got out of the car. And I think they also said Kris was wearing his glasses. I so love him in those glasses. So very very sexy. I wish he’d wear them more.

  123. If Adam had a huge smash hit, and was blowing up all over the place based on his music, I could see all the publicity, and wouldn’t feel the hype was so exaggerated. But for him to get the hype now, just for being on a reality TV show, and being Gay, is no reason in my book for the media to be salivating over him to this degree. Now, maybe he has the talent to turn this around, for it to become about his music, but at this point, as far as the world at large is concerned, his fame is empty of accomplishments. IMO, YMMV, and all that jazz.

    ITA. And this is coming from someone who really is glad that someone is out there as an openly gay entertainer. But, in a really bizarre way, the attention affirms the double standard it so claims to resist, especially because it’s less about what he does and more about what he is. I don’t buy an argument which says that being an openly gay entertainer should then necessitate this level of attention, or that such attention is even truly healthy when the focus is on the identity politic in question. That might be a high standard, but I’m coming from an area of examining race politics and being very critical of token representation. Adam is kind of filling that role right now, though I’m not exactly blaming him for that. But the coverage is ultimately nauseating nonetheless.

    Now… that said, any particular reader’s poll is beyond the sphere of my ability to care; I mean, they’re reader’s polls, and if fanbase happens… oh, whatever. And I don’t even so much mind Idol fanbases pushing their favorites, as so long as no one is getting actively harassed in the process, which crosses a line. But the overall representation is, I think, maybe less healthy, from a social science perspective, than it might at first appear.

    (And I bring myself back to the man himself, who continues to claim it should all be about the music… which, at this point, I’m all for. The album is really good)

  124. slyvanaire-give adam TIME for accomplishing things, his album dropped 3 weeks ago! LOL geeeeeeeeeez idol bubble come on! same with kris , give them TIME, it seems that people in the idol bubble every year need immediate success or they are a failure. adam and kris both are very talented and lets wait until next november to see if they have accomplished things and not just 3 or 4 (kris) weeks after their albums have dropped! YEESH!!

  125. If he wasn’t gay, would he be the media darling that he is?

    If he wasn’t gay, would he be loathed by so many people?

    Probably not. But that’s also a non sequitur, unless you’re claiming it’s (in part) because of the excess coverage, in which case… sure?

  126. Do people really care either way about voter polls on these websites? It’s cool that TIME included Adam in their official lists, and the write-up was very nice.

    Speaking for myself? Not I. For me, it’s a nice little treat when I find out one of my favorites is included in some list or other. Because, as I said previously, having your name repeated in print is always a good thing. But, I don’t really care about these lists or polls. Or where a concert is held. Or where someone places on VH1 fave videos. Or who wins breakout artist of the year. Or …or… you get the picture.

    But, obviously, some people enjoy them. And why not? They’re harmless. I don’t hyper-analyze why someone did or did not make one of these lists as I do see them as just a trivial bit of fun.

  127. If he wasn’t gay, would he be the media darling that he is?

    If he wasn’t gay, his album could have already been platinum

  128. If he wasn’t gay, would he be loathed by so many people?

    Just because someone doesn’t buy Adam’s music, or think that he is the next “big thing” does not mean that they loathe him for his sexuality. Music is either loved, or not loved, on its own merits and taken into the context of what the listener prefers. My only point was that he gets more attention because he is gay then he perhaps might have gotten, if he was not.

  129. If it really is about the music, then why is his music never talked about?

    His music is talked about plenty, in the hundreds of reviews that have come out in the past month. How much is “the music” talked about with any pop star? When Carrie or Britney or whoever is on the cover of a magazine (unless it is Billboard or RS) they mention the album, but mostly talk about clothes, hair, fame, boyfriends etc…..that is just the way it is

  130. A tweeter that is there for tonight said One of the band was dressed up like Santa and said ho ho ho to them when they got out of the car.

    I think the Tweeter said it was Ryland who was dressed as Santa.

  131. If Adam wasn’t gay I believe he would have won AI and have gotten media attention – although perhaps less so – for that.

  132. Yeah I think your right Truthiness. I wonder how Kris well be dressed.

  133. Happy Holidays ‘“ An interview with David Archuleta

    You’ve hinted that the next album might include different styles of music. I know that Latin music was a big part of your background growing up. Is there a chance that some of the new material might have a bit of a Latin influence?
    I haven’t thought about that really. I think the album’s still going to be pop, but with more of my personality instead of someone else’s personality. I don’t know how much of my own material will make it on the album, because in the end, they’re concerned about the best songs being on there. I’m just trying my best to see if any of the songs I write end up being among those best songs. I’m hoping for that, because I feel like the more of me that’s on the album, the more honest it is, and the more people can relate to it, because people can feel that connection with you and your songs. So, I’m just hoping for the best in the writing process.

    I understand that you’re working on an autobiography, is that right?
    Yeah, it’s kind of like a memoir. It’s about things I’ve gone through in my life, the experiences that I’ve had, and what I’ve learned from them. Just sharing those with people and saying, ‘Hey, this is what I’ve gone through, and this is what I got out of it.’  Hopefully other people can get something out of it’ ¦ whoever’s willing to listen to what I have to say, I guess.

    http://theywillrockyou.com/2009/12/happy-holidays-interview-david-archuleta/

  134. “Aren’t there other gay entertainers out there that have put their careers on the line for their sexuality, before Adam came along?”

    Well, rather than ask can you tell us who you mean? Because, if you name some names, I think someone could point out what’s different.

    “[H]is fame is empty of accomplishments.”

    Is the Time article what you mean by “fame”? If so, the article explains why they selected him. Which point do you disagree with? Or do you mean something else by “fame”? Has he not deserved to sell the CD’s he has? To be on the covers of magazines that asked him to be? Or to win fan polls that solicit people to vote more than once? I can’t tell exactly what you think Adam has not deserved.

    “If it really is about the music, then why is his music never talked about?”

    In the Time article, his music AND the significance of his expression of his sexuality IS referenced. There are plenty of reviews, blogs, and interviews where the music IS discussed in great detail. In fact, some are so nuanced I have no idea what the h**** they’re talking about.

    And while some may find his coverage “nauseating,” trust me, it means a LOT to gay and lesbian youth (a group that has tragically high percentages of suicide and homeless). Part of why Adam Lambert matters is that THEY matter.

  135. If he wasn’t gay, would he be the media darling that he is?

    Of course not. But the media focus on him *is* because of his sexuality and it shows our lack of societal health when it comes to sex. It reveals a kind of horrified fascination with his sexuality. It’s like picking at a scab. It’s also a misguided attempt by a lot of the media to prove that they’re completely over having such fascination. So they say *nice* things about him rather than nasty things. But the fact that they’re saying something at all says more about their fascination than it does about him. … Ditto for all the comments that he calls forth on the Internet.

    And since that’s the case, I don’t really see how that media attention can be called unfair positive “hype” for Adam, really.

    I guess I’d ask any other musician or artist who thinks that it is: If you had to turn into an out gay man in order to get that attention, would you be willing to do it? I kind of doubt that very many would. And if I’m right about that, then it shows that the position of an out gay man in a lot of our society is still not very good.

  136. I beg to differ- I hear his actual music being discussed alot- it’s just that there is so much more to Adam Lambert than simply his songs.
    For the first time in my life, I became a fan of someone before he even released anything- because you know what? Even if his music sucked, you will never be able to take away from him that he’s a phenomenal performer- crazy-ranged, multi-genred creative performer. So that in itself was buzzworthy- like an actor you like even though he didn’t write the script for the movie- but he perforomed it so well that it moved you.
    Now, add to that that he really has put out a good album, with some great songs, in a very short time period, and yes, the fact that he’s fearless in that he’s willing to be fully liberated about his sexuality and sensuality, and yes, that he is absolutely beautiful (not in everyones eyes ofcourse, but many would agree about his being good looking) and a charming speaker… and BAM! You’ve got someone who is fawned over by the media and industry, because there just aren’t many, if at all, like him, anywhere.

  137. I also apologize for whatever I did to get myself into moderation! I don’t believe in fan wars.

  138. His ranking is even higher president Obama.

    Yep, I edited my original post to include the rating numbers. As far as I can tell, it’s the average rating that determines rank.

    Adam has three times as many votes as anyone else, almost 31K votes (and a 79 average rating). He has overtaken Obama and Ford CEO. Only Sully and Neda to beat now (they are at 82 rating).

  139. TIME poll update. Adam has three times as many votes as anyone else, more than 30K votes.

    So he has 3 times the number of votes of the second highest in vote count. Should we take seriously any poll spammed by his fans?

  140. The link to Adam’s voting page in that TIME poll is all over twitter, being spread far and wide. So very easy to click the link and give Adam a vote.

    LOL so until President Obama’s peeps get busy tweeting he might have a tough go of it. ALSO, I suspect if anyone is more polarizing than Adam right now it’s our President. Considering the hard fought election and the current state of the economy, I have no doubt that many are gleefully clicking the President’s poll slider down to zero.

  141. Of course not. But the media focus on him *is* because of his sexuality and it shows our lack of societal health when it comes to sex. It reveals a kind of horrified fascination with his sexuality. It’s like picking at a scab. It’s also a misguided attempt by a lot of the media to prove that they’re completely over having such fascination. So they say *nice* things about him rather than nasty things. But the fact that they’re saying something at all says more about their fascination than it does about him. ‘ ¦ Ditto for all the comments that he calls forth on the Internet.

    And since that’s the case, I don’t really see how that media attention can be called unfair positive ‘hype’  for Adam, really.

    I guess I’d ask any other musician or artist who thinks that it is: If you had to turn into an out gay man in order to get that attention, would you be willing to do it? I kind of doubt that very many would. And if I’m right about that, then it shows that the position of an out gay man in a lot of our society is still not very good.

    All true. And I guess that’s why I find the coverage so troubling in a certain sense. I don’t have a specific problem with “the next big thing” thinking (which I’ll admit to finding annoying for fandom purposes, but that’s not my big issue here). I do start to have an issue when his sexuality is the show here.

    Now, more coverage about the uniqueness of his act, for which there much to be said? By all means. But right now, if I went up to someone and asked them about Adam Lambert, he would be the “gay guy”.

    (In a sense, then, I guess it could be noted that my problems are more indignant to the form than to the specific gesture. In other words, perhaps this is good in the long run that he’s being set up to slaughter as the “quintessentially” gay male entertainer so that someone in the future might not. But that doesn’t mean I have to like it in the meantime)

    (As to the reviews… well, I wouldn’t say that they were any more than say, Rihanna got, despite her having a product that might be more worthy of a critical response, as that album comes as close to a concept album as a mainstream album gets. That doesn’t foreclose the issue of branding of Adam being entirely about his sexuality, which, right now, I think is the treatment he’s getting)

  142. No one should under estimate Adam’s fans. LOL. His ranking is even higher president Obama. GO Adam GO.

    Maybe Obama will notice and have him over for a beer.

  143. Aren’t there other gay entertainers out there that have put their careers on the line for their sexuality, before Adam came along?’ 

    Yes. Elton John came out about a decade ago. After 2 decades of a lucrative career. George Michael came out after he got arrested – again, after having a lucrative career. Neil Patrick Harris came out – after a successful acting career. Jodie Foster – after a successful career. Etc. Etc. Etc. They came out, and it could not have been easy. And they knew they were risking their futures in the business. However, there is a reason that they did not come out prior to becoming successful. And it’s because they felt they wouldn’t even have a shot in the business as out gay men and women. I’d say they didn’t just think this, they KNEW it.

    That’s why Adam is being talked about for his sexuality. That’s why the fact that he is out before his career takes off is a big deal. That’s why it’s huge that the guy was on a mainstream show like American Idol. That’s why, if he is successful, it will make it that much easier for the next gay newcomer to be out from the start. Yes, Adam is being talked about for his sexuality. And it’s a good thing. And it’s an important thing.

    At the same time, he is extremely talented with an incredible vocal range and the skills to use it. So, even if the discussion isn’t always focused on the music, it’s there.

  144. Yes, it was going to be Santa
    KrisAllen Ok the peeps at letterman wouldn’t let our guest join the show but we were going to have Santa play the drums.

  145. Anyway I agree it’s way too early to be talking iconic stature. IMO Fantasia’s the most interesting artist to come out of AI but she hasn’t found herself musically yet with her own songs.

    I agree. I don’t think that’s limited to the idol folk either. If we consider all the new artists emerging in this past decade..who do we consider iconic or potentially iconic? I have a very hard time coming up with people who achieved the same kind of stature that Whitney, Madonna, Prince, Mariah, MJ, Elvis, the Beatles, U2, George Michael,Elton John…etc etc, achieved in their days. Lady Gaga perhaps, but she hasn’t done anything that Madonna hasn’t done and I’m still not convinced she will last. Britney is a strong possibility but I feel like she’s a product of smart management. Beyonce and Eminem, perhaps. Josh Grobin? No Doubt? Black Eyed Peas? Any other suggestions? Drawing a blank. I can’t wait to see which recent artists in the past decade get that icon stamp. I have a feeling I’ll be way off in my prediction.

  146. Ellen came out and her show was canceled. I really liked that show too and I knew someone that was on it.

  147. And there will be people who will not given Adam’s music a listen, even if he put out this generation’s ‘Dark Side of the Moon’ (or insert favorite great cd here.) simply because he’s gay. It’s just a fact of present day society.

  148. New tweet from Kris:
    KrisAllen Ok the peeps at letterman wouldn’t let our guest join the show but we were going to have Santa play the drums.

    :(

    And Jim’s response
    jambajim @KrisAllen What??? Why are the Letterman peeps lame?! I would expect that from Leno’s team. Hope the rest of your planned epic was approved.

  149. Ughhh…I can’t delete my comment and it’s in the wrong thread. Disregard.

  150. Neil Patrick Harris came out ‘“ after a successful acting career. Jodie Foster ‘“ after a successful career.

    Jodie Foster still hasn’t come out, to my knowledge. Hence Out’s “cuteness,” with a cover a few years ago holding pictures of people like Anderson Cooper and Jodie Foster who both still haven’t come out yet. Which they don’t have to, but just saying they haven’t. And Neil Patrick Harris, didn’t he come out after pictures of him with his boyfriend on Perez? Not that is wrong either, just saying.

    Anyhew, think Kris’s set on Lettermen will be cute tonight. And there will be Adam on SYTYCD. Twofer of win for me.

  151. Aww, dj on 93.3 just came on and introduced WWFM and said people were calling after the Jingle Ball asking what Adam was like and he said ‘Very cool, down to earth and one of the nicest guys I’ve ever met!”

    That’s great press from Jingle Ball.

  152. The People’s Choice Awards voting site had these words on the top of the page “Vote as many times as you like”. There were no problems voting multiple times-if you signed up you could view how many times you voted. Some peeps voted for Adam more than 5000 times! I was not one of those, but I bet I voted at least 500 times while listening for Adam’s WWFM on Open House Party.

  153. Aww, dj on 93.3 just came on and introduced WWFM and said people were calling after the Jingle Ball asking what Adam was like and he said ‘Very cool, down to earth and one of the nicest guys I’ve ever met!’ 

    Aw, that’s terrific news! Even if he didn’t perform, the Jingle Balls were worth it just for stuff like that.

  154. I find it interesting, with all the Adam stuff, that the words used most often from someone who has actually “talked” to the guy is “he’s the NICEST guy”. You hear it over and over from interviewers to talk show hosts to (good God) paparazzi.

    Man…I would die a happy women if “she was the Nicest Women” was engraved on my tombstone. I think that says oodles about who Adam is.

  155. Jodie Foster still hasn’t come out, to my knowledge. Hence Out’s ‘cuteness,’  with a cover a few years ago holding pictures of people like Anderson Cooper and Jodie Foster who both still haven’t come out yet. Which they don’t have to, but just saying they haven’t. And Neil Patrick Harris, didn’t he come out after pictures of him with his boyfriend on Perez? Not that is wrong either, just saying.

    Hmm. I thought for sure Jodie had. And Anderson. However, that just proves my point. To say that being forthcoming about his sexuality is not a potential detriment to his career is to ignore the reason already successful artists and public figures prefer to keep quiet about it. Homophobia, last time I checked, is still very much alive and well in this country, and plenty of it has been directed at Adam. If you don’t believe me, go check the comments sections under articles and blogs and YouTubes about Adam. So, it IS a big deal and is very much part of the package we got when Adam auditioned for Idol this year.

  156. No one should under estimate Adam’s fans. LOL. His ranking is even higher president Obama. GO Adam GO.

    Maybe Obama will notice and have him over for a beer

    I would love to be a “fly on the wall for that conversation”.

    Perhaps they could discuss “Don’t ask, don’t tell”

    Or Adam could just give President a copy of his deluxe album and ask him to listen to “Master Plan”. LOL.

  157. The polls are meaningless except that it does generate some publicity. It gets the artists name out there over and over again. THat is one positive thing that I see about AI fanbases. If Adam wins Peoples Choice, the general public won’t be wondering or worrying about his fans spamming polls. If GAGA wins, the same thing-peeps won’t be wondering about polls. They will hear the winner’s name called, approve or disapprove, and move on!

  158. Man’ ¦I would die a happy women if ‘she was the Nicest Women’  was engraved on my tombstone. I think that says oodles about who Adam is.

    I so agree, Tess!

  159. Man’ ¦I would die a happy women if ‘she was the Nicest Women’  was engraved on my tombstone. I think that says oodles about who Adam is.

    My sister is not an AI watcher. However, she is addicted to “The View”. She DVRs every single show while she is at work. Of course, she happened to watch Adam’s interview the day it was on. She also e-mailed me immediately afterwards, knowing my “interest” (okay-obsession) with this man. The very first comment she had was…. “He seems like such a nice guy.” Yup! :)

  160. Ceddies
    12/16/2009 at 2:47 pm

    …..there’s my very personal aspect of how important Adam is. I’m retired from the rehatilitation field , taking care of my elderly 82 y/o mom 24 hrs a day. My laptop, MJ’s, and Adam have been a source of daily renewal of our hope. We’ve been entertained by him whether by laughing, crying, listening to him’“whatever. He means ‘the world’  to our little world. I can’t say that about anyone else on the list.

    thank you so much for sharing Ceddies….I especially love when posters “speak” from the heart.

    You have reminded me that all art is received by the viewer or listener in a very personal way, and our opinions are completely subjective. We know how Adam touches our heart, but can only imagine the emotional impact on others.
    I am completely taken over by Adam Lambert (not to the exclusion of any other idol.. I honestly wish them all great success) but this artist, this man, has just taken me over….heart and soul.

  161. I hate to say it (because who wants to listen to Simon Cowell, ever), but I think Simon Cowell said it right to both the boys right before the results were read “Two incredibly nice people.” I’ve always been impressed with how nice everyone seems to say they both are.

  162. I haven’t made it though all the comments. I expected this to be in the headlines thread here.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2009/12/kris-allen-outpaces-other-idols-track-sales-suck-gets-second-wind/1?csp=34&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TP-IdolChatter+%28Life+-+Idol+Chatter+Blog%29

    Partial quote:

    ‘Kris Allen has the best-selling American Idol track this week — unless, that is, you count the Glee cast version of Kelly Clarkson’s My Life Would Suck Without You, which sold 45,000 copies its first week out, according to Nielsen SoundScan.’

    Go Kris!

  163. If Adam wasn’t megatalented, who would care if he was straight or gay?Talent trumps everything else, then the rest might come with the territory.

  164. Ceddies…Mainegal

    You both put words in my mouth. He has taken me over as well…heart and soul. I’m so happy when I hear his music. I look forward to anything and everything that he will be bringing us (except of course the adam controversy of the week LOL). I am here for the ride.

    What are we gonna do when SYTYCD, Chelsea Lately, Leno and Gridlock are over?

    Now supposedly SYTYCD is live tonight. What? Gotta be a little delay.

  165. Re: the Time voting
    I was thinking –If 39,000 plus voted for Adam and his rating is 77%, what we will never know is how many are voting “high ” for Adam and how many are voting “low” for Adam. Some maybe voting 77%. Maybe some might be ranking the numerous people listed in the order they feel the person has made and impact.

    We will never really know.

    A magazine like Time should be able to come up with a on-line survey that reflects a “truer” outcome —even if it is casting one ballot a with a percentage vote for each person (hopefully only putting a percentage by someone you knew something about.)

    A possible scenario—If an Adam fan is voting high like 90-100 implying they value Adam’s being “loud” and “proud” of who he is at the beginning of his new career, then another percentage are voting low, so as to get to the 77% percentile. Why are they voting with a low percentage? –who knows! Could be because they see others as having a stronger world impact than Adam or some may vote a low percentage –because they may not like the gay concept or they don’t like his singing –whatever! This survey just seems silly to me the way it is set up.

    I am really looking forward to Adam and the band’s performance tonight!!! Go Adam! and good luck to Kris as well!

  166. What are we gonna do when SYTYCD, Chelsea Lately, Leno and Gridlock are over?

    …buy our Adam tour tix?? …. ( nice to “see” you luval!)

  167. Man’ ¦I would die a happy women if ‘she was the Nicest Women’  was engraved on my tombstone. I think that says oodles about who Adam is.

    Tess, you are one of the nicest women on this blog, and you write what you think in the clearest and sincerest way. It doesn’t hurt that I usually agree with you 100%, either. LOL

    But I know what you are saying about Adam. He just wins people over one on one. Maybe magnetic personality is too strong a term to use, but people just seem to fall for him in a way I have never seen before.

  168. TwigLA
    I haven’t made it though all the comments. I expected this to be in the headlines thread here.

    I think that’s because MJ’s got a sales thread up today, posted just before the headlines thread. At least I assume it’s being discussed there.

    No blog on blog discussion, please

  169. I haven’t made it though all the comments. I expected this to be in the headlines thread here.

    I post the headlines in the morning–not in time for that particular headline.

    You might want to head over to the Idol Sales thread for the discussion.

  170. Danny’s single My Best Days Are Ahead of Me (quite the mouthful) is 57 on the unpublished Country chart.

    If Adam wins an award that Gaga deserves, people will just go WTF and forget about it. The same way they dealt with that band that beat her out on the VMAs. It’s not like people don’t know who actually deserves the award.

  171. Sir Ian McKellen is out and has been as long as I can recall. (I looked it up. He came out in 1988.) He still got Gandalf, a Tony, and a couple of Oscar noms. Not sure Tennessee Williams was an “entertainer,” or Truman Capote for that matter, and I’m also not sure whether an out man was really all that out way back when, but… They were both pretty darn out. Nathan Lane spelled it out (“I’m over 40, I’m in musical theater and I’ve never been married. You do the math.”) well before The Producers. (And I just saw him last week playing Gomez Adams, who’s about as hetero as you can get.) Gavin Creel, Howard McGillin and Cheyenne Jackson are out Broadway stars who play romantic leads. Broadway is pretty much littered with the out and the proud, by the way. Like Cherry Jones. Harvey Fierstein. Stephen Sondheim. Larry Kramer. Terrence McNally. Tony Kushner. Joe Mantello. Jon Robin Baitz. If Harvey Fierstein was ever in, I’d be very surprised. Charles Ludlam was another one who was never in.

    Which doesn’t mean that someone who wants to be a mainstream pop star doesn’t have difficulties or issues to oversome with the general public, or that whatever happens on Broadway or in England provides much of a template. But it also doesn’t mean that people like Ian McKellen and Larry Kramer and Harvey Fierstein and Tony Kushner haven’t been trailblazers for the gay artists who’ve come after them. I think it would do a 15-year-old gay boy much more good to see “The Laramie Project” or “Angels in America” or even “The Normal Heart” than to listen to Adam Lambert’s FYE.

  172. Sadly, the fact that everybody emphasizes that Adam is so nice, in itself is proof to me that people seem to think it necessary to do so. For instance because the initial reaction of most people is that, given who he is, he can’t be that nice.
    I would think that most interviewees, with the odd exception, are nice in interviews, yet in most cases that is not the first thing that will be mentioned.

  173. Broadway is pretty much littered with the out and the proud

    I find that description rather telling….

  174. Most interviewers also comment on how nice David Cook is so it is not unique to Adam.

  175. Most interviewers also comment on how nice David Cook is so it is not unique to Adam.

    Quite true.

  176. smartcookie, you made some very interesting and true points. Lots of Broadway actors have no problem declaring themselves to be “out” and that generally doesn’t have any impact on their work. But, as someone who works in the industry, I have heard time and time again comments from many of the general public about ALL theatre actors being “gay”. I believe that most people who go to see a stage play either accept this as a fact, or really do not care one way or another. But they are only a small dedicated portion of our society. On the other hand, people that do care stay away from the theatre in droves.
    (And let’s not forget Kushner and Fierstein wrote, directed and produced their first plays).
    I also think that the average movie goer probably didn’t know who Sir Ian was or what sexuality was when they first saw the Rings trilogy. But their is a reason that Lane hasn’t made a big movie box office hit in years ( including The Producers) and I don’t think it has anything to do with his huge talent. Being gay on screen presents you with very little opportunities for being a classic leading man. It has been done, once or twice, just not successfully.
    For an entertainer attempting to be successful in the mass media, especially one just starting out, sexuality is still a tricky subject. Even Boy George danced all around it in his Culture Club days, saying when pressed that he was “bisexual”, “asexual” or ( to Barbara Walters) that he preferred “a warm cup of tea to sex.”

  177. I am not a gay 15 y/o boy or a gay 27 y/o man.
    Therefore, by definition, I know squat about what their life struggles have been or will be…and certainly would not presume to give them a suggested reading list. I will just wish them a happy life with lovinig family and friends and hope they find the role models that speak to them and their experiance.

  178. Take it with a grain of salt, but this guy seems to profess that he is going to let loose with some big time info on Adam’s NYE concert being televised..let’s hope this to be true! :)

    @DerekSheldon
    I am out but will have some breaking @adamlambert NYE TV coverage information when I return!
    30 minutes ago from UberTwitter

  179. “I think it would do a 15-year-old gay boy much more good to see ‘The Laramie Project’  or ‘Angels in America’  or even ‘The Normal Heart’  than to listen to Adam Lambert’s FYE.”

    Maybe, but Adam is an aspiring “rock star” who happens to be gay but who can appeal to straight and gay teens which is COOL and ACCESSIBLE and UPBEAT. Those 15-year-olds most likely won’t be picking up E.M. Forster novels either, which might also do them “good” but isn’t gonna make ’em wanna dance.

  180. Most interviewers also comment on how nice David Cook is so it is not unique to Adam.

    Justin Guarini is the original “nice” idol – I remember a lot of media people commenting on that back in the day :-)

  181. I would think that most interviewees, with the odd exception, are nice in interviews, yet in most cases that is not the first thing that will be mentioned.

    It truly amazes me that a simple thing said in a positive manner can be twisted to become a negative. Personally I am very happy that Adam is considered to be a nice guy and that is the impression he leaves people with. And if he has been pre-judged and he turns people around, more power to him. And if other Idols are continually spoken of in those terms that is a good thing but I wouldn’t know since I don’t seem to hear it as often.

  182. Yes. Elton John came out about a decade ago. After 2 decades of a lucrative career. George Michael came out after he got arrested ‘“ again, after having a lucrative career. Neil Patrick Harris came out ‘“ after a successful acting career. Jodie Foster ‘“ after a successful career.

    Elton came out as “bisexual” in 1976.

    And Jodie still hasn’t come out.

  183. I think it would do a 15-year-old gay boy much more good to see ‘The Laramie Project’  or ‘Angels in America’  or even ‘The Normal Heart’  than to listen to Adam Lambert’s FYE.

    Well most people will never see a Broadway play. Not even touring, much less on Broadway. And there is a reason why being “theatrical,” was code word for gay on AI for many years, because as you say smartcookie, there a fair amount of out Broadway stars. Which great, and great that they of course they can do straight roles as well.

    But again, the theatre is a not a very big world, and it’s certainly not indicative of the rest of the entertainment industry in the US. Nor is what works in England indicative of the US, they allow for legal partnerships for gays and have since 2004, and our country, does not.

    To me it comes down very simply to this, if coming out wasn’t still a problem nowadays, than everyone who was gay in Hollywood would come out. But they don’t, because it is.

    As to whether Adam’s FYE will matter to a gay youth? The song? no (it’s not that deep a song) But I think IF Adam manages to be successful in the long run, then yes, having an openly gay man who was out from the beginning of his career will be a nice thing to see. It’s nice to know that being gay won’t ‘get in the way,’ of success. Of course it won’t be the end of the world or hurt gays if Adam isn’t successful either. And Adam being successful does not matter anywhere close to the good that attaining equal rights for gays would do that youth.

  184. Who is manning David Cook’s MySpace page???

    Wednesday, December 16, 2009

    David Cook Featured in TwitPic of The Year

    If you take a look at the winners of the Open Web Awards 2009, you’ll find David Cook featured in the photo that won the TwitPic of the Year award! Andy from the band To Have Hereos took the shot and the winning photo has a great mid-air pose of David being totally excited to be at the Rock’N’Roll hall of fame!

    Um, you’d think they’d mention that Andy is also in David’s band, wouldn’t you? And didn’t Monty the bassist take that photo?

  185. Elton came out as ‘bisexual’  in 1976.

    Elton identifies himself as gay. He has now, for years.

  186. Reminder:

    By the way, I want to mention again? If you have a user name here, please stick with it. I ban sockpuppets. Signing up again, trying to pass yourself off as a newbie, then going back to the old name when the new “identity” implodes? Not very cool.

    I’m good at picking out writing styles I always figure this stuff out. Just so you know.

  187. @DerekSheldon
    Breaking @adamlambert news tee minus 15 mins!
    4 minutes ago from TweetDeck

    This guy reminds me of a local TV station talking about some item coming up on the 11 PM news. He’s already tweeted enough to have said what it is!

  188. The People’s Choice Awards voting site had these words on the top of the page ‘Vote as many times as you like’ . There were no problems voting multiple times-if you signed up you could view how many times you voted. Some peeps voted for Adam more than 5000 times!

    mama2dasha you are absolutely correct, and my previous posts on this subject are incorrect. It is very strange though — I was not making up what I said about their “one vote per day per person” rule. It was there in their Terms and Conditions — I know, because I copied and pasted it when I was having a similar discussion about online voting on another blog. They appear to have eliminated that rule in the interim.

  189. Elton identifies himself as gay. He has now, for years.

    Yes, the only reason I said he came out as bisexual in 1976 is because that’s the year that’s cited in his bio, and I was pointing out the error in saying he came out a decade ago.

  190. Does anybody know when Adam will be playing tonight. Early or late in the show?

  191. OK, here it is:

    A high ranking press source whom works for Gridlock 2010 has informed me only moments ago Adam Lambert has a very high possibility of being televised while he headlines at Gridlock’s New Year Eve NYC themed event in Los Angeles, CA December 31st, 2009. What I can tell you 100% for sure is that he will NOT be picked up by any major network. What I am hearing is Adam Lambert will have a STRONG possibility to appear via a live stream Pay Per View event and possibly on a cable stations such as Comcast Pay Per View. So all you fans who thought you will miss your favorite American Idol, you can rest your leather pants, or panties! I will have more details this week, however I am feeling very optimistic the fans will be able to tune for New Year’s Eve.

    http://www.worldasiderseeit.com/home/details-emerge-regarding-adam-lamberts-tv-coverage-at-gridlo.html

  192. I hope I have the option on Directtv!! We tailgate bright and early for football New Years Day, so I’ll be home!

    Fingers crossed!

  193. Elton identifies himself as gay. He has now, for years.

    Yes, the only reason I said he came out as bisexual in 1976 is because that’s the year that’s cited in his bio, and I was pointing out the error in saying he came out a decade ago.

    I get what you’re saying. You were saying he came out in 1976 as bi-sexual. When did he come out as gay and say that whole bi-sexual thing? yeah, no.

  194. I get what you’re saying. You were saying he came out in 1976 as bi-sexual. When did he come out as gay and say that whole bi-sexual thing? yeah, no.

    He said he was bisexual in 1976 in a Rolling Stone interview. Wikipedia:

    John married German recording engineer Renate Blauel on Valentine’s Day, 1984, in Sydney, but they divorced four years later. John later renounced his bisexuality and came out as gay.

  195. Oh and I know there’s a thread for it, but pay-per-view for Adam’s NYE show? I hope that’s just a rumor, because that thing will bomb.

    Speaking of NYE’s that are televised, guess that Daughtry will be doing 4 songs, so good news for Daughtry fans!

  196. will
    12/16/2009 at 7:28 pm
    Yes. Elton John came out about a decade ago. After 2 decades of a lucrative career. George Michael came out after he got arrested ‘“ again, after having a lucrative career. Neil Patrick Harris came out ‘“ after a successful acting career. Jodie Foster ‘“ after a successful career.

    Elton came out as ‘bisexual’  in 1976.

    And Jodie still hasn’t come out.

    hope I’m not beating a dead horse here (pretty sure I saw a twitch) but
    Jodie doesn’t need to address it specifically to be out, she’s thanked her partner at awards and lives with her so I don’t see the need for her to spell it out. Also Niel is a seriously inspiring case in my opinion. asides from a cameo in harold & kumar he was out of the public eye for a while and HIMYM was still in its first season, then when he came out he had a huge rise in celebrity(IMO) and started getting nominated for all the major awards. To me that was extremely inspiring and I would believe it would be too for gay teens (my gay friends were thrilled with the whole thing so t least some were)

    as for Adam, well I don’t like him that much but the fact that he came out before his career is the one thing I’ve truly always admired about him. I never even realized that it was so unconventional to do it while someones’s career is just picking up so I gotta give him major props for that, even though I was mad with the whole “bi-curious” stuff I know realize that the fact thats the only thing he’s done to “un-gay” himself is absolutely fantastic and courages on his part.

  197. I just caught the tail end of this conversation, but I do wonder why (or if) it is necessary for celebrities to ‘come out.’ Should be their choice whether or not they want to announce their sexual preferences to the world, right? Straight celebrities certainly don’t announce that they are straight. To me, we’ll really be getting somewhere when this sort of things becomes a non-issue.

  198. It truly amazes me that a simple thing said in a positive manner can be twisted to become a negative.

    Tess, it wasn’t my intention to twist your words. I’m very happy as well that everybody that meets him is impressed with him. That certainly can’t harm and thrills me to no end. I was just expressing a thought that came to mind, meant no harm at all.

  199. If he wasn’t gay, his album could have already been platinum

    Why? Plenty of non-gay idols have albums that have never gone platinum. Unless I’ve missed something Kris’ album is also not platinum. I’m not buying either of them. Now Allison is another story.

    Happy to hear that Daughtry will be on the NYE show. I’ll have to remember to record it. I agree with some of the review of the concert although the one I saw was in Bossier City and not Tulsa. I liked Cavo although they started early and we missed some. I picked up one of their songs afterward. Theory of a Deadman had a lot of fans in the young audience but I was not impressed by the lead singer’s voice which sounded awful. They did have 2 or 3 songs that I liked though. Loved Daughtry but the sound wasn’t the best other than on the ballads where Chris’ voice wasn’t overpowered by the band. I told my hubby it’s about the atmosphere and that was really good although made a note to self to not do a floor seat unless I grow a foot or so, lol. I just wish they’d come to Dallas so I could have avoided going to Shreveport.

  200. If that VH-1 list is the final one for the year all I can say is Go Idols!!!

  201. At this moment Adam has 48.907 votes — WAY more than anybody else. I do have to admit now that that’s cringe-inducing. But GO Adam!

    The next-highest vote tally is for — wait for it — Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart at 17,216.

  202. will
    12/16/2009 at 9:17 pm
    At this moment Adam has 48.907 votes ‘” WAY more than anybody else. I do have to admit now that that’s cringe-inducing. But GO Adam!

    The next-highest vote tally is for ‘” wait for it ‘” Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart at 17,216.

    all hail the power of tweens!

  203. A new article that mentioned something so true about Kris: http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/43299/week-ending-dec-13-2009-chris-browns-bad-year/

    Here is the quote:
    Kris Allen’s “Live Like We’re Dying” jumps from #38 to #28 in its 12th week on Hot Digital Songs. I’m glad this song is showing signs of becoming a hit. Allen took a lot of crap for beating Adam Lambert, a media sensation and the critics’ favorite, on American Idol. And he took it with quiet dignity. Allen has had a wild ride this year: scoring a tremendous victory, experiencing an unfair backlash and now apparently clinching a hard-won hit single.”

  204. Adam acquired his huge formidable idol fanbase before he officially came out. He might be a new artist on the music scene but he was already a celebrity by the time he came out. If we didn’t think he was already a celebrity then we would have put him in the same category as all the struggling out musicians like Danny Noriega who are also at the beginning of his career. So what makes him different to all the other artists like Elton John or Michael Stipe who came out in the middle of their careers (and also seemed obviously gay to me).

    Also, why is it so important to distinguish bisexual from gay in this context? Do the overzealous religous groups have some clause that says they’ll accept gay men as long as they are also having sex with women? Bisexuals have additional prejudices to deal with too (that come from both gays and straights) so I don’t get the point of people arguing over the distinction.

  205. I just refreshed the page and Adam is still in the No. 3 slot, but his total vote count went down to 12,477. Everyone’s total votes went way down. Hmm, wonder what’s up with that?

  206. Has anybody else reported that David Cook showed up at a Kansas City Radio’s “Kissmass Bash” tonight? He sang a song with Better than Ezra or Barenaked Ladies according to Twitter
    ” […] an amazing acoustic set 2nite & surprised us all w/David Cook helping sing Absolutely Still! http://twitpic.com/ttx8e

    ETA -Tierbee you are so quick! Hope video shows up!
    oh and also via Twitter, David Cook’s team has alredy raised $10,000 for the Race for Hope

  207. Adam fans in Central – Pacific time zones might want to watch the last few minutes of tonight’s Leno show. Adam makes an unexpected cameo in an end-of-show skit.

  208. ETA -Tierbee you are so quick! Hope video shows up!

    I just happened to pop in and check Twitter and thought – OOH! Nobody posted that yet! Hee :)

  209. Great article about American Idol achievements by Fred Bronson

    http://www.americanidol.com/news/view/pid/2312/?ref=socialmedia_2009_12_16_BillboardByBronson

    The sales numbers are impressive, too. American Idols have sold over 46 million albums just in the United States according to Nielsen SoundScan, with worldwide figures reaching 66 million. Idols have sold over 56 million download tracks in the U.S. according to SoundScan. First-week sales of digital downloads on many Idol singles have set new records as well. No other entity has ever created as many hit-making artists and best-selling albums and singles. No one else in today’s pop culture sells as many records and dominates the charts as American Idol.

    Highlights some individual Idols as well.

  210. I just caught the tail end of this conversation, but I do wonder why (or if) it is necessary for celebrities to ‘come out.’ Should be their choice whether or not they want to announce their sexual preferences to the world, right? Straight celebrities certainly don’t announce that they are straight. To me, we’ll really be getting somewhere when this sort of things becomes a non-issue.

    Celebs do not have to come out, and I agree, people should be allowed to keep their private life, private. However, the problem is that not all people aren’t just being private for the sake of that. They aren’t saying they are gay publically, or allowing pictures to be taken of them with their partners, because of fear, fear of reprisals, fear of losing roles, fear of whatever, but certainly not just because all gay entertainers are private people. To this day most gay celebs still lie, or still prevaricate or keep it hidden. And that’s even more true in other parts of society.

    Now it would be nice that there wasn’t a closet at all and that it was a non-issue and everyone who wanted to keep their private life private, was just a personality issue, and not because of possible political, social, financial and even physical repurcussions. But when only a handful of states in this country allow even gay marriage, and where it isn’t later overturned (Maine, I’m glaring at you now) I think it’s safe to say, we have a ways to go.

    All that being said, not everything bad that happens to Adam, be it his horrendous cover choice and reactions to that; horrendous AMA performance and reactions to that; weak sales for his first single, are the result of homophobia. I personally think that’s silly to think that, but hey, that’s me.

  211. Yes Aileen, that was a nice article. Cookie got some recognition there.

    Truthiness you said…”All that being said, not everything bad that happens to Adam, be it his horrendous cover choice and reactions to that; horrendous AMA performance and reactions to that; weak sales for his first single, are the result of homophobia. I personally think that’s silly to think that, but hey, that’s me.” –
    That’s not just you. I agree with your entire comment.

  212. As a gay from his own neighborhood, I can’t see how Lambert mattered in any way, shape or form.

  213. Kris and the band looked and sounded great on Letterman. The cheesy holiday sweaters were fun …. but I’m laughing at some of the twitter reaction. Some don’t seem to get that it was just silliness. Oh well…

    ETA: Video’s up on YouTube. We’ll see how long it lasts.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6uIBz208IY

  214. Thanks for bringing that, Pattycake – those sustained high harmonies are killer. Rob Cavallo is quoted on David’s ability to do that off the cuff – and they couldn’t have had much time to practice – since this was a ‘surprise’. Shades of “Little Sparrow” and “All I Really Need Is You” – only more so. – David’s idea of a vacation, too – ;)

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