Idol Headlines for 11/14/09

Kara on Ellen: ‘Idol’ chemistry is crucial

NEW YORK — Kara DioGuardi wants to hang out with Ellen DeGeneres before the new season of “American Idol” to get the judges working together comfortably.

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The second-year judge said she plans on spending down time in December with the newest addition to “Idol.”

“I’m hoping the chemistry with Ellen will be great — and a great start to the season, ” she said at the Media and Money conference in New York on Friday.

It’s all part of her effort to establish her identity on the Fox show after a rookie year that saw plenty of criticism come her way about her on-air role. She explained, “you have to know on the show who you are and have a vision of yourself. What am I trying to represent? You’ll see more of this branding myself.”

Hollywood Reporter

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Review: Adam Lambert’s ‘For Your Entertainment’ glams it up greatly

Adam Lambert’s “For Your Entertainment” is every bit the boffo, glam-rock, disco-pop space oddity you’d expect from the “American Idol” standout. It’s a bold, assured, boot-stomping romp, and it’s so over-the-top it should come packaged in a mirror ball.

For his fans, this won’t come as a surprise. Lambert hit the “American Idol” stage earlier this year like a transplant from the planet Glampire: David Bowie funneled through Edward Cullen. Over the course of the show, he proved to be the most exciting “Idol” contestant in years, with a fearlessness stemming from years of stage experience and a shocking caterwaul that could strip the paint off walls.

Detroit News

Album Preview: Allison Iraheta ‘ Just Like You

American Idol season 8 churned out some of the most diverse talent we’ve seen in sometime from the hit show. Their final three were all shoo-ins for recording contracts and will all release albums in this busy final quarter.

The youngest of the bunch, Allison Iraheta, will release her debut album Just Like You on December 1st. For those needing to see just what this talented teen’s music is all about, they can gather a pretty good idea from a collection of 30-second snippets from the album released online.

Neonlimelight.com

David Archuleta Fans Deliver Birthday Flowers And Cupcakes To MTV News

This morning, I casually Tweeted that I’d be celebrating my birthday tonight. My actual birthday isn’t until November 22 ‘” the day Adam Lambert will be stealing the show at the American Music Awards ‘” so I was a tad confused when the mailroom called me to say I had to sign for some flowers.

“Uh, you have the wrong number, ” I said.

“Are you the Jim Cantiello who sits on the 29th floor?” the mail room dude asked.

I slowly said, “Yes.”

“Well, then come downstairs and pick up your flowers.” Click.

MTV

Daughtry does what he does best

Is Chris Daughtry, supreme practitioner of the power ballad, a self-loathing balladeer?

As he and his namesake band Daughtry spent the better part of Friday night’s 90-minute show plowing through one power ballad after the next, the singer apologized to the crowd at the Bank of Kentucky Center for doing the very thing that he does best, singing ballads.

‘I know you’re thinking, ‘Enough of the sissy love songs. Let’s play some rock ‘n’ roll, ‘ right?’  he said to the crowd, immediately after playing a power ballad, and about five minutes before he would play another power ballad.

Cincinatti.com

Daughtry’s performance a mutual lovefest

‘Greensboro! You guys made me so proud to call this town my home!!! Thank u for everything! Now gotta get some sleep.’ 

That was Chris Daughtry’s 1 a.m. tweet, which came about two hours after his triumphant headlining appearance Thursday night at the Greensboro Coliseum.

He has every right to feel good about his Greensboro fan base, which showed up in strong numbers. Though the upper deck was mostly empty, the crowd of 7, 089 comfortably filled the floor and lower arena.

Go Triad.com

Daughtry does what he does best

Is Chris Daughtry, supreme practitioner of the power ballad, a self-loathing balladeer?

As he and his namesake band Daughtry spent the better part of Friday night’s 90-minute show plowing through one power ballad after the next, the singer apologized to the crowd at the Bank of Kentucky Center for doing the very thing that he does best, singing ballads.

‘I know you’re thinking, ‘Enough of the sissy love songs. Let’s play some rock ‘n’ roll, ‘ right?’  he said to the crowd, immediately after playing a power ballad, and about five minutes before he would play another power ballad.

news.cincinatti.com

Historic Stage Introduces

NEW YORK–There is a moment at the beginning of this latest revival of ‘Dreamgirls’  when reality and fantasy mesh, when the actresses performing onstage at the Apollo Theater in Harlem are as excited and anxious about their chance at stardom as the fictional 1960’s-era singers they portray.

‘You’re talking about it, but you’re actually there, ‘  said Moya Angela, who plays Effie White, the role that made her movie and Broadway predecessors, Jennifer Hudson and Jennifer Holliday, stars.

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Mandisa performs in Toledo

TOLEDO, Ohio – Former American Idol contestant and Christian recording artist Mandisa performed Friday evening at the Peristyle Theater at the Toledo Museum of Art.

FOX Toledo caught up with her before the show to talk about where her career is headed.

Since finishing ninth on the fifth season of American Idol she’s released three albums and she’s busy performing almost every weekend.

If it weren’t for the show, Mandisa wouldn’t be where she is today.

Fox Toledo.com

Is The X Factor killing pop?

Six nights ago, 16.6 million people ‘ more than half of those in Britain watching TV at the time ‘ turned their sets to ITV1 to watch three 18-year-olds battle for their places on The X Factor. Since the previous evening’s broadcast, an undisclosed number of people ‘ ITV does not reveal individual episode voting figures, but it is likely to be close to 1 million ‘ had voted on their performances, leaving twins John and Edward Grimes and Welsh teenager Lucie Jones facing ejection on the Sunday results programme. In the end the Grimes twins, who perform as John and Edward, would triumph, leaving Jones sobbing onstage, but the manner by which that result was reached led 3, 000 people to complain to the broadcasting regulator, Ofcom ‘ 10 times the number that complained about the BNP leader’s appearance on Question Time.

Guardian.co.uk

‘So You Think You Can Dance’ twirls into San Diego

Watching the live stage production of ‘So You Think You Can Dance’  is very much like watching the TV show.

Producer and judge Nigel Lythgoe, on a large screen, welcomes thousands of young screaming girls to the show. The soothing voice of Cat Deeley introduces each dancer before her or his solo. The format is similar, too: group number, a few partner dances, solo, solo, group number.

The routines are the same ones performed over the course of Season 5, a collection of favorites spanning all genres from contemporary to Bollywood, hip-hop to paso doble.

Read more: http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2009-11-13/blog/culture-cruncher/so-you-think-you-can-dance-twirls-into-san-diego#ixzz0WqYv9hhS

‘Glee’ Actor Hopes Cast Didn’t ‘Crap On’ Journey’s ‘Don’t Stop Believin”

It might have been the pilot episode of the smash series but performing ‘Don’t Stop Believin” is still the high point and a “dream come true” for ‘Glee’ actor Cory Monteith. “It’s just such an iconic song, ” Monteith tells PopEater. “It’s such an anthem. Everyone knows it. Everyone has heard it. It’s much more than a nice tune. The song speaks a lot to everyone kind of finding their own place, and searching for somewhere in the night. Just like the lyrics.”

Popeater.com

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848 Comments

  1. The birthday gifts for Jim was sweet and very very odd.

    I really enjoyed the Detroit News review of Adam’s album.

  2. What happened to th review of Kris album? Wasn’t he supposed to post them together?

  3. 80 68 ADAM LAMBERT For Your Entertainment 181 101 80 0.626
    +6 Spins
    +1 Bullet
    +0.011 A

    +6 and 80 total increase are really small numbers. it is going nowhere so far.

    40 37 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 1035 1015 20 5.731
    -5 Spins
    -15 Bullet
    +0.009 A

    looks like it has peaked

  4. LOL From the Adam Graham FYE review-“Open your mouth and open it wide: Let the freedom begin” (Strut) At least some lyrics we haven’t heard before!

  5. Branding herself? Good gawd Kara is full of sh…, um, er, let’s just say herself and leave it there.

  6. Danny is performing at that wedding event tomorrow in LA, with Ryan Seacrest & Tori Spelling and her husband Dean. I hope that he has fun at that.

  7. looks like it has peaked

    Or reached a plateau. It happens. Especially as we enter the Christmas season. This week the gains look lower across the board on Pop (Leona Lewis’s song just went into free-fall). It does look like some of the spins are being upgraded to better times since the spins went down, but the AI nudged up.

    The picture for LLWD is brighter on HAC (though, again, not as good as last week:

    HAC:
    24 22 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 979 807 172 4.488
    +21 Spins

    For both songs, adds will be critical. Will RCA’s work finally kick in for FYE? Will being in the Top 40 for a week and television appearances help LLWD? Will high RTM call-out data have any effect?

    At some point, stations can’t spin you much more and you need those adds. All but one of the songs in the Top 30 are spinning on over 100 stations.

  8. I never really paid attention to the impact of them but would all the upcoming jingle balls Kris has help give the song a substantial boost?

  9. I really enjoyed the Detroit News review of Adam’s album.

    I just dont’ get the “over the top”. I don’t think FYE is over the top at all. In fact, some people criticized it for not being so.

  10. Will being in the Top 40 for a week and television appearances help LLWD?

    Has there been an increase in sales on iTunes for LLWD since the Conan show last night?

  11. Great review for Adam in the Detroit News. Best Idol debut album, love it! BTW fye has gone up in iTunes to 58 overall, FYE 29 overall, fye is 23 now in pop and FYE deluxe is 5 now in pop, regular FYE is 33. Looks like they are climbing for now. Pretty good without any regular promo. I wonder if the regular FYE were not being offered what effect that would have? Still loving that bonus track Master Plan and WDWFM is sooo good in the full version.

  12. Ouch on that Neonlimelight article’s revisionist history. Poor Danny doesn’t exist. Instead, Allison made the final three.

  13. I didn’t see this article from Canada posted yet:

    David Cook Overcomes Tragedy

    I like his quote about how/why he and Carrie became friends. He seems to be emulating the qualities he really admires in her:

    Cook said he formed a friendship with Underwood, the winner of American Idol’s fourth season in 2005, after she performed on an episode when he was a contestant. “She came in, I think it was for Idol Gives Back, and just immediately made herself accessible to anybody, just in the sense of she’d obviously been through it,” Cook said. “So she’s been a great friend the past couple of years. She’s as advertised. I think she’s got all the success she has ’cause she works her butt off, and she’s a good person.”

    Speaking of working his butt off, Cook’s show tonight in the 5000-seat Colosseum at Ceasar’s Palace Windsor Ontario is sold out. The box-office reportedly said he had been doing “Celine Dion-level sales” at that venue. He’s been routinely selling out 1000-3000 seat theaters, and has played for festival/fair crowds of up to 15,000. But I believe this is the largest theater he has sold out on this first headlining tour. Also, The Script apparently canceled last minute (speculation is visa issues?) so DC and the boys may play longer set then usual. Should be an amazing show for those in the crowd.

  14. I just dont’ get the ‘over the top’ . I don’t think FYE is over the top at all. In fact, some people criticized it for not being so.

    To some it will be to others it won’t. It depends on their particular tastes. To me it’s not – to some of my co-workers it is.

  15. That Cincinnatti.com article on Daughtry made me laugh. MJ oldtimers will remember the arguments here in the aftermath of Season Five regarding female fans and how they weren’t as valuable as male fans.

    Daughtry’s diehard fans were insistent that he had just as many male fans, if not more, than female fans. It was one of the signs, in their eyes, of why he should have won. Here we are, years later, and an article says “That’s how it was at the Bank of Kentucky Center ‘“ an adoring crowd in which women outnumbered men.” and I bet no one cares! Because, believe it or not, money in females’ wallets spends just as well as money in males’ pockets!

    I’m easy to please but that made my day!

  16. Neon Limelight seems to think that Allison finished third. Hee.

    That is what I choose to believe also.

  17. I’m actually shocked, really shocked that Canada show is sold out tonight. I didn’t think he had much presence there and I thought his people were insane for booking him in a place that big. I know the last couple of shows in Canada sold out but they were pretty small, one being a club. He tweeted indicating he didn’t really sleep much last night, he better take a nap today!

  18. MJ, It’s spelled: Cincinnati (3 n’s, but only 1 t).

    Bobbi, Got a good chuckle at the female fans comment. I think all the idols have that imbalance. Do more women than men watch idol? Are women just more active music fans or at least pop fans?

    Daughtry’s attitude toward his ballads frosts me. If he doesn’t like the ballads, stop playing the suckers. If he loses fans, so be it. At least he’ll be doing what he wants to do. He gets no respect from me with this attitude.

  19. I’m actually shocked, really shocked that Canada show is sold out tonight. I didn’t think he had much presence there and I thought his people were insane for booking him in a place that big.

    Hey, at this time of the year, if it’s inside, we are there!

    Seriously, I think Cookie has a big following in Canada. He got a lot of love from radio as one indication.

    As to Daughtry and the female fans? Comes with the Idol territory. Didn’t stop him from moving a boatload of CDs last time. I remember those debates though. It irks me that people are so excited about male fans. Whatever. They have their own issues. A fan is a fan. If men don’t want to be a fan because some dude has too many female fans, then those men are LAME! How often do you hear women saying “Oh, I like his music, but he has too many male fans so I don’t want to buy his music.”? NEVER! Own who you like….And then I was burned in effigy by the Daughtry fans. LOL. I’m like the dude at the end of Lady Gaga’s Bad Romance video by now.

  20. FYE is so much better than that Take One album – all those songs sound the same. And they change ‘Want’ to ‘December’. very bland music – I like Adam’s voice but the music is bland.

  21. Well Windsor is right across from Detroit, right? So it’s probably not only Canadian fans going tonight. But I do think Cook has very strong support in Canada. His album went Gold there really quickly (50,000 units), and as Kirsten said, Canadian radio loves them some Cook. I’m not shocked by the sold-out venue, just pleasantly surprised for show #144.

  22. I just dont’ get the ‘over the top’ . I don’t think FYE is over the top at all. In fact, some people criticized it for not being so.

    To some it will be to others it won’t. It depends on their particular tastes. To me it’s not ‘“ to some of my co-workers it is.

    REMINDER: None of us, including our co-workers, have heard the album yet! Unlike the reviewer.

  23. I think that’s why 19/RCA is releasing the free downloads so people will see the difference of the two albums and not be put off from buying FYE if they bought this album first.

  24. I just dont’ get the ‘over the top’ . I don’t think FYE is over the top at all. In fact, some people criticized it for not being so.

    To some it will be to others it won’t. It depends on their particular tastes. To me it’s not ‘“ to some of my co-workers it is.

    REMINDER: None of us, including our co-workers, have heard the album yet! Unlike the reviewer.

    The opinion is based on the few songs and snippets and so far it’s not ott for me.

  25. I’m glad the first official review of Adam’s album is a positive one! :D I’m obsessed with “Whataya Want From Me.”

  26. Agreed, Kirsten – it’s now time for LLWD to kick up the station count.

    Kris’ spins per station are better than the songs charting around him (16.2 per station on Pop, 16.9 HAC), but despite his good adds, he’s still spinning on a smaller number of stations (59 Pop, 58 HAC) than the big boys and girls higher up. The stations spinning him are spinning him consistently, so now it’s a numbers game – need more stations to come on board. Adds this week will be interesting to watch.

  27. Well Windsor is right across from Detroit, right?

    Yep. They only have a bridge separating them. I believe it’s the busiest boarder crossing between the US and Canada.

  28. That article about X-Factor is amusing. The hand-wringing over John and Edward, especially so. I mean when you have people like the PM and Sting weighing in on the show and/or them, you know some people are taking it too seriously. But getting back to the article, and Sting’s point about the show and how it’s setting music back decades, as the article finally points out in its like last paragraphs, music has a lot bigger problems than X-Factor in terms of how much money it’s losing. It’s that, that leads to making music that safer and has more of a chance of succeeding commerically. Though being on TV certainly doesn’t hurt, especially not when they’re evidently having very high ratings. But as the article mentions, if only fleetingly, Robbie Williams didn’t get a boost from his appearance, and while last season’s winner and runner-up are doing well on the charts this year, the winner from the year before was a commerical flop (though the runner-up was very successful with his first album and has a second one coming up Nov, 30, IIRC).

    Still it’s not X-Factors fault if people buy crappy music and are the ones making it do well commercially. Certainly that is true in America where the top 10 songs are pretty much dreck. Even if it’s dreck I enjoy in some cases, it’s like the fast food of music, it really has no value beyond mindless, temporary fun.

    Oh well, still looking forward to watching it live today, though it will suck that the best female singer won’t be there to break up the bad. Lloyd, I’m glaring at you.

  29. Poor Daughtry….

    Yup, he sold a gazillion of his freshman album (including me, who has since used the CD as a coaster). The reasons for his sales are numerous but the bottom line, for me, was retaliation for “loosing” Idol and because of the love sick ballads that so appealed to a certain demographic.

    Chris was always “rock light” a bit of an edgy 60’s “teen idol”. He sings nice message songs and he has that nice ernest method of delivery that appeals to many “easy listening listeners” that want to think they are “with it” and part of the “in crowd”.

    I think Chris will probably make one more album and then he will slowly fade. Obviously he isn’t the “solo” draw that was anticipated. He did much better as an opening act. He will continue to have a nice loyal fan base but I don’t think he will be drawing in a lot of “new and younger” fans.

  30. Take One snippets now on You Tube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNnMfP1OY3Q&feature=player_embedded

    Sorry if already posted!

    mama2dasha thanks for posting. Even from the snippets, it is obvious that these songs are not finished. Every song is a ballad. It seems obvious that these are demos for ballads and that Adam’s voice is being used to sell these ballads. His voice is beautiful, but the songs are crap.

    I think it was best that they let this stuff out. It’s makes Adam’s side of the story more credible.

  31. Wonder if we’ll hear from Slezak today regarding his drunken tweets during Kris’ Conan performance last night. Jim seemed to be on his best twitter behavior last night despite his birthday party!

  32. Even from the snippets, it is obvious that these songs are not finished. Every song is a ballad. It seems obvious that these are demos for ballads and that Adam’s voice is being used to sell these ballads. His voice is beautiful, but the songs are crap.

    I agree totally-I could barely listen to an entire snippet. I do love Adam’s voice but he sings a lot in his lower register-maybe more than is comfortable for him, as a tenor.

  33. Has there been an increase in sales on iTunes for LLWD since the Conan show last night?

    He sold it to me. I wasn’t going to buy it, but I enjoyed seeing Kris perform the song last night and will buy it now.

    Also, The Script apparently canceled last minute (speculation is visa issues?) so DC and the boys may play longer set then usual. Should be an amazing show for those in the crowd.

    That’s a heck of a better explanation than the other speculation I read. In any event, I can understand why DC might have been tossing and turning last night. If they don’t have another opening act, he and the boys are going to have to play every song they’ve ever performed in concert to fill up the time … but lucky, lucky audience!

    (I remember how impressed he was when he saw Springsteen go balls to the walls for over three hours.)

  34. Yup, he sold a gazillion of his freshman album (including me, who has since used the CD as a coaster). The reasons for his sales are numerous but the bottom line, for me, was retaliation for ‘loosing’  Idol and because of the love sick ballads that so appealed to a certain demographic.

    I’m no Daughtry fan, but Clay’s fans were fanatical about proving that their guy should have won and they didn’t move 5 million CDs. Yes, that may have helped initially, but 5 million CDs in this market require that you find a lot of people that like your songs. Daughtry charted several songs. Just not love sick ballads. He put out the right CD at the right time.

    Obviously he isn’t the ‘solo’  draw that was anticipated. He did much better as an opening act.

    They did over-reach a bit with this tour. He should have stuck to the same size venues that other acts like Rob Thomas and Kelly Clarkson using (2-4 thousand). Still, he’s going to make a boatload more money with his tour than he would have as an opening act.

    Plus, he’s not doing too bad. In the latest boxscore, his best grossing concert was $296,088. Nice work if you can get it.

  35. Poor Daughtry’ ¦.

    Yup, he sold a gazillion of his freshman album (including me, who has since used the CD as a coaster). The reasons for his sales are numerous but the bottom line, for me, was retaliation for ‘loosing’  Idol and because of the love sick ballads that so appealed to a certain demographic.

    If Daughtry doesn’t like all these power ballads, then he should stop singing them. At some point, you have to believe in yourself and your artistry enough to just do what you feel in your heart. However, I understand that everyone has bills to pay. In the end, it’s his decision. Do I pay the bills or do I sing the songs I feel in my heart. Whatever decision you make, live with it and don’t apologize. Unless, of course, that decision is eating you like acid from the inside and you find it difficult to face the mirror everyday. If that is the case, find the courage to change and live with the consequences.

  36. Small bump for LLWD. It was #87 on the iTunes chart about 1 hour after he finished his Conan appearance. Right now, it is at #81

  37. So, top 3 finisher Allison Iraheta (as per the Neonlimelight.com headline) :) now has the previews for all her songs in the Deluxe album up on iTunes. That includes the Daughtry penned song Don’t wanna be wrong, included only if pre-ordering the album. It’s very much a Daughtry tune and sounds really great with Allison’s voice. It actually sounds a little bit country too.

  38. Tess
    11/14/2009 at 11:34 am
    Poor Daughtry’ ¦.

    Yup, he sold a gazillion of his freshman album (including me, who has since used the CD as a coaster). The reasons for his sales are numerous but the bottom line, for me, was retaliation for ‘loosing’  Idol and because of the love sick ballads that so appealed to a certain demographic.

    Chris was always ‘rock light’  a bit of an edgy 60’s ‘teen idol’ . He sings nice message songs and he has that nice ernest method of delivery that appeals to many ‘easy listening listeners’  that want to think they are ‘with it’  and part of the ‘in crowd’ .

    I think Chris will probably make one more album and then he will slowly fade. Obviously he isn’t the ‘solo’  draw that was anticipated. He did much better as an opening act. He will continue to have a nice loyal fan base but I don’t think he will be drawing in a lot of ‘new and younger’  fans.

    OMG

    Tess

    I could have written this, only I never bought any of his CDs. Chris is light rock, no matter what he might think. Harder rock maybe what he wants to do… but for whatever reason its not happening. I don’t think the fade away will be for a lack of talent as much as it will be for a lack of finding a really unique sound. There will always be a market for soft rock/pop, but I think the day is coming to a close on the gluttonous number of similar bands. Even though I don’t care for the band, it would be great if they could take a year or two to rediscover and reinvent themselves… perhaps after another album. In the next few years, I think the high steam will be out of the market for soft rock. The audience will only support so many similar bands.

  39. Newsday has reviewed Kris’s album (Long Island newspaper). If you’re a subscriber you can see the whole thing, but other sites have the review.

    Newsday Review of Kris’ Album
    Kris Allen is an earnest, likable guy, and it’s a victory for him that his post-“American Idol” debut remains earnest and likable, despite all the ill-fitting ballads and unnecessary glop piled on him. Allen is at his best on his own “Red Guitar,” with its chiming guitars and heartfelt vocals that signal his true connection to its emotions. Sure, he can sing conventional pop-rock like The Script’s “Live Like We’re Dying” and “Written All Over My Face” just fine, but he can’t pretend enough to sell songs that feel foreign to him. It’s an “Idol” time-crunch aberration that he has to even try. With any luck, his future projects won’t make him try that again.

    KRIS ALLEN

    “Kris Allen”

    THE GRADE B-

    BOTTOM LINE “Idol” makes best of a tough situation

    SOURCE:

    http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/kris-allen-s-post-american-idol-debut-cd-1.1586956?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#

  40. Even if it’s dreck I enjoy in some cases, it’s like the fast food of music, it really has no value beyond mindless, temporary fun.

    This type of criticism of pop music I firmly reject. Fun is not a negative. This attitude that music has to be about serious subjects, to be about complex sounds in order to be valuable is total bull shit. Music is valuable and is doing it’s job if it makes people feel. And music that makes people dance and feel happy is of GREAT value to society. Music through the centuries has been written to get people happy and dancing (the waltz, the two-step, the cha-cha, square dances, the mash potato, the salsa, the conga, disco). If you think of a period in history, the fun, the popular the dance music is what gathered people together to socialize. Political music will only ever be temporarily popular because as a group people need music that gives them hope.

    There is nothing wrong with music that takes itself seriously, that makes people think. But it’s the music that gathers people together and gets them singing and dancing that puts its mark on society, that binds us together.

  41. If men don’t want to be a fan because some dude has too many female fans, then those men are LAME! How often do you hear women saying ‘Oh, I like his music, but he has too many male fans so I don’t want to buy his music.’ ? NEVER! Own who you like’ ¦.And then I was burned in effigy by the Daughtry fans. LOL. I’m like the dude at the end of Lady Gaga’s Bad Romance video by now.

    I would think a female following for someone like Daughtry would be a big draw for men. It’s not like they’d be going to a Jonas Brothers concert and they might get a date out of it.

  42. 2012 is being discussed on twitter but most of the post are non-english

  43. Unfortunately Daughtry isn’t selling out anywhere, and he even gave away 100 free tickets yesterday at a Walmart Trim-A-Tree Department. This was after the tickets were reduced to $14.99, which has happened at a number of his venues’. In fact I’ve read a number of comments from people that have gone to this tour saying they hope a certain fan base doesn’t get wind of the poor turnout at some concerts!

  44. The birthday gifts for Jim was sweet and very very odd.

    David A fans got to know Jim better throughout his blogs about DA’s visit to MTV including the Christmas caroling segment at MTV News.

    Jim knows how to handle guests in a fun and nice way. Some people are just born with a great sense of humor and Jim is one of those people.

    I always thought fans are a lot like their favorite artist and DA fans are appreciative bunch of folks who are positive and giving like David. Not only many charities David is involved in but his fans are also doing something like ‘Pay It Forward’, a concept of having a good turn be repaid by having it done to others. They would bake and sell goodies for fund-raising to help out others or doing something positive for others.

    For some people, life is just having fun, fun, fun and music is just for me to feel pleasure for my sake. But for others, life has more meaning when you do something good for others and music or musicians are used as instruments to get them motivated to do something meaningful.

  45. For you Kris fans, am watching Oxygen repeats of America’s Next Top Model (yes, I know) and they just did a 30 second commercial for Kris’s album. Showed scenes from his video, talked about the hit single Live Like We’re Dying. It was a really nice promo!

  46. There is nothing wrong with music that takes itself seriously, that makes people think. But it’s the music that gathers people together and gets them singing and dancing that puts its mark on society, that binds us together.

    Sure there is value to fun. Like I said, I enjoy some music that’s popular today and am fine with finding it boppable. But I also don’t have a problem with labelling some songs pretty vacant of meaning, beyond that and they’re pretty throw-away. I mean do we really want to talk about the artistic merits of Party In the USA or any other Miley Cyrus song? Or how about well “Whatcha Say” will hold up over time? Will we remember it a month from now when a song that sounds just like it takes it’s place on the charts? They’re disposable songs, imho. And fine for what they are, but can and will be replaced in the charts and in our heads, but they next song just like it.

  47. Daughtry will have more success on his next album if he heads in the pop-country area.

  48. DLee
    11/14/2009 at 12:20 pm
    Daughtry will have more success on his next album if he heads in the pop-country area.

    He was on the CMA’s right? Is that to pave the way for a possible crossover??

  49. OMG TV commercials for a CD? I don’t remember ever seeing one but that’s awesomely exciting!!

  50. Hmm, just wanted to say that Ellen interviewed Ryan yesterday, and they talked about Idol and her expectations about next season. Pretty good interview.

  51. Will we remember it a month from now when a song that sounds just like it takes it’s place on the charts? They’re disposable songs, imho. And fine for what they are, but can and will be replaced in the charts and in our heads, but they next song just like it.

    The same thing can be said for music in any genre and a good portion of most artists albums. But people don’t go around en mass calling it dreck or decrying it as a genre which is what happens with pop music and why I will keep getting on my soap box about it. It’s like people can only admit to liking some pop music as a guilty pleasure by saying they like a certain song in one breath but in the next being sure to add that most of it is crap. But if you turn to other genres they either like or don’t like a song or artist. I don’t care if people like or hate pop music. What I don’t like is the generalized attitude that it is less than other music and the completely unnecessary need people feel to run down a genre while admitting (not declaring) that they like a specific song.

  52. OMG TV commercials for a CD? I don’t remember ever seeing one but that’s awesomely exciting!!

    They are pretty regular on the basic cable stations. I have not seen many on the ABC, CBS type stations. Great advertising especially on women stations such as Oxygen.

  53. Lol at all the sudden armchair-quarterbacking advice to Daughtry from non-Daughtry-fans.

    Newsflash: He’s the most successful male Idol ever. I don’t think he needs to change his whole style and act to please people who never were fans of his style of music to begin with :) More likely, he should stay true to himself as an artist and keep on doing what he’s doing.

    Daughtry is authentic to who he is as a person, and that’s why he’s so successful. Not unlike other super successful Idols like Carrie and David Cook. Knowing who you are as a performer and staying true to that is key to long term success, IMO. I don’t think Daughtry or his fans care how ‘trendy’ he is. You know what you’re getting when you buy a Daughtry album, and there are a lot of us who very much like that.

    Also he does not hate playing power ballads. He was obviously making a self-effacing joke to the audience within the context of the show he was putting on, not some statement of how much he hates and loathes his own music (I find it hilarious that it could be twisted and taken out of context like that).

    The arena tour is doing fine, and I can’t wait to see him live.

    Oh, and I’m afraid that the ticket price is the same whether your male or female, so it doesn’t matter much whether there are more female than male audience members at his shows.

  54. They’re disposable songs, imho

    Oh my….all of the disposable songs I’ve listened to over the last 5 decades. And it is amazing how many of the stupidist (is this even a word) are iconic years later. C’mn, lets hear it for “Purple People Eater”, or “Shout”, or “Monster Mash”, or “YMCA”.

    Music should (and does) cover the full spectrum of human emotion. From the most trite to the uber serious. That is why “good” Artists tend to record material that includes the silliest saptastic song as well as earth shattering phenomenal heartfelt longlasting stuff…and if there isn’t somewhat of a balance between the two then the Artist suffers. If every song is dark and dreary they’ll collapse, just like they won’t move forward if every song is silly fluff.

    But a good listener can understand the difference and can judge the songs based on intent. Right now, with the MESS our economy is I like the fact that a lot of music is nice, lightweight, escapism that does nothing more than take my mind off of the real life situations that I face every day. Bring on more Purple People Eaters!

  55. CindyM: EW has named Adam one of it’s top 20 Saturday Night Live Dream Hosts.

    http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20319828_13,00.html

    I hope the folks at SNL are paying attention!! If they don’t get on their knees and BEG him to be both guest host AND performer, they are missing a golden opportunity!!

  56. DLee
    11/14/2009 at 12:20 pm
    Daughtry will have more success on his next album if he heads in the pop-country area.

    He was on the CMA’s right? Is that to pave the way for a possible crossover??

    It’d be a really smart career more if he did. I think he’d be much more successful in country music than he’ll ever be in rock(ish) stuff. While I really enjoyed him on the CMAs it threw me for a loop because I’d gotten the impression that he only wanted to play rock. His comment in the one article about the ballads reinforced that impression as there are a lot of ballads in country music.

  57. I hope the folks at SNL are paying attention!! If they don’t get on their knees and BEG him to be both guest host AND performer, they are missing a golden opportunity!!

    I hope so, too. I also hope Adam’s people take notice and try to get him on as a host. A singing gig on there would be good, of course, but I would really like to see him host, as well, so people who don’t know much about him could be introduced to his great personality and quick wit.

  58. Lol at all the sudden armchair-quarterbacking advice to Daughtry from non-Daughtry-fans.

    Hey, didn’t you know that’s our job here. :) Good to know that a fan (I’m assuming you are one) believe his comment about not liking his own ballads wasn’t serious. Makes me feel more good will toward him. Not that he either needs it or cares but it always makes me feel better to think well of others. Which, yanno, is what is really important. ;)

  59. CindyM: EW has named Adam one of it’s top 20 Saturday Night Live Dream Hosts.

    http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20319828_13,00.html

    A great skit would be a KISS parody and Adam plays Gene Simmons – he has the tongue for it.

  60. Please put Adam on as a guest host or at least as a musical guest! I’m begging you, SNL. What do we do to make this happen? A petition? He would be OUTSTANDING. He was so funny on Best Week Ever; let him do more. He could be then next Alec Baldwin or NPH. He is so charming in person; let this happen.

    God, let me stop listening to WWFM. Naah, I don’t want to. He better sing this at GMA, that is all I have to say.

  61. Unfortunately Daughtry isn’t selling out anywhere, and he even gave away 100 free tickets yesterday at a Walmart Trim-A-Tree Department. This was after the tickets were reduced to $14.99, which has happened at a number of his venues’. In fact I’ve read a number of comments from people that have gone to this tour saying they hope a certain fan base doesn’t get wind of the poor turnout at some concerts!

    Yep, no sell-outs, but I doubt he’s filing for state support yet:

    108 Daughtry, Theory of a Dead Man, Cavo Air Canada Centre
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nov. 2, 2009
    $296,088
    6,275 /
    7,959
    1 /
    0
    $47.98, $36.91
    AEG Live

    134 Daughtry, Theory of a Dead Man, Cavo Sovereign Center
    Reading, Pa.
    Nov. 5, 2009
    $196,841
    4,834 /
    6,097
    1 /
    0
    $41.50, $31.50
    AEG Live

    135 Daughtry, Theory of a Dead Man, Cavo Covelli Centre
    Youngstown, Ohio
    Nov. 4, 2009
    $191,564
    4,696 /
    5,230
    1 /
    0
    $41.50, $31.50
    AEG Live

    136 Daughtry, Theory of a Dead Man, Cavo Trump Taj Mahal, Mark Etess Arena
    Atlantic City, N.J.
    Nov. 6, 2009
    $190,527
    4,866 /
    4,876
    1 /
    0
    $39.50, $29.50
    AEG Live

    141 Daughtry, Theory of a Dead Man, Cavo Lucas County Arena
    Toledo, Ohio
    Oct. 31, 2009
    $173,264
    4,331 /
    5,642
    1 /
    0
    $41.50, $31.50
    AEG Live

    153 Daughtry, Theory of a Dead Man, Cavo Allen County War Memorial Coliseum
    Fort Wayne, Ind.
    Oct. 26, 2009
    $151,602
    3,833 /
    6,002
    1 /
    0
    $41.50, $31.50
    AEG Live

    155 Daughtry, Theory of a Dead Man, Cavo Dow Event Center Arena
    Saginaw, Mich.
    Oct. 29, 2009
    $147,272
    3,621 /
    4,744
    1 /
    0
    $41.50, $31.50
    AEG Live

    168 Daughtry, Theory of a Dead Man, Cavo Breslin Student Events Center
    East Lansing, Mich.
    Oct. 28, 2009
    $121,205
    2,961 /
    4,458
    1 /
    0
    $43.50, $33.50
    AEG Live

    For those who don’t like to do math, that’s $1,468,363 in gross revenue in two weeks.

    I’m not sure which fan base they don’t want to find out about those numbers, but unless it’s Carrie’s they have nothing to worry about. There is no other Idol currently racking up that kind of concert revenue in two weeks. And again, nobody’s ever accused me of being a fan of Daughtry.

    Bonus for some other Idols:
    140 David Archuleta, Paul Benton, Amie Minello E Center
    West Valley City, Utah
    March 27, 2009
    $178,498
    5,904 /
    5,904
    1 /
    1
    $32, $22
    AEG Live

    142 Kelly Clarkson, Parachute The Joint, Hard Rock Hotel
    Las Vegas, Nev.
    Nov. 6, 2009
    $169,881
    2,307 /
    2,746
    1 /
    0
    $171, $45.50
    AEG Live

  62. God, let me stop listening to WWFM. Naah, I don’t want to. He better sing this at GMA, that is all I have to say.

    It’s on continuous repeat on my I-Tunes today, too, with occasional interruptions for a round of “Master Plan.” I actually wasn’t too crazy about MP on first listen yesterday, but I’ve grown to like it a lot. WWFM was always among my favs from the snippets, but the whole song is just awesomely amazing to me. The chorus has been playing over and over in my brain since first hearing it, which is why I figured I may as well put it on repeat to hear the real thing!

  63. You know what? I love the Adam tracks so much that I don’t even care *for the moment* how many spins gets. After the AMAs, and the album is released, and Adam is on GMA and Letterman and Ellen, FYE will get more spins. Personally, I wish RCA had released WWFM first. It’s so…real. FYE is very fun, and maybe more the image Adam wants to put out there (and I certainy do not think it is over the top), but I still think his voice is lost in the mix. Oh, well. I think I am going to love 3/4 of the album, and like the rest (except for maybe Music Again), and that is just fine for me. I think FYE the album is going to be the bigger seller and FYE is part of those sales (as well as WWFM, of course).

    I do hope that LLWD and FYE pick up spins (maybe more promotion is needed for Kris? Could the Conan gig give it a bump?).

  64. A singing gig on there would be good, of course, but I would really like to see him host, as well, so people who don’t know much about him could be introduced to his great personality and quick wit.

    A performance slot on SNL is more than ‘good’. I have no investment in Adam and I really dont care what he has planned, but in the event he should land a singing spot on there I would hope there isn’t disappointment if he doesn’t host too. New artists would kill for an SNL performance slot especially when you consider only a handful of Idols have been on there.

    Newsflash: He’s the most successful male Idol ever. I don’t think he needs to change his whole style and act to please people who never were fans of his style of music to begin with

    Seriously. Just because he’s not currently selling the way he started out doesn’t mean he needs to re-invent himself.

    That’s a heck of a better explanation than the other speculation I read. In any event, I can understand why DC might have been tossing and turning last night

    Or maybe he couldn’t sleep thinking about how much money he lost in blackjack. LOL his tweet last might made it sound like he wasnt doing so hot.

  65. Daughtry will have more success on his next album if he heads in the pop-country area.

    I think that Daughtry’s current album is doing just fine. He is smart to appeal to country fans because lots of country fans are also rock fans and they actually buy albums, as opposed to your average Top 40 music buyer.

    He is uber-successful, so I’m not quite sure why the tone has changed into “he needs to do XX” or he’ll just fade away. I think there will continue to be a market for his sound, but even U2 can’t have the best-selling album of the year for each and every outing, so there will be peaks and valleys as with any other artist.

    Seems to me the only puzzle he needs to solve is how to be a viable headlining arena live act (a high class problem to have, really). He and TPTB were probably overreaching with an arena tour for this cycle, especially given the economy, but they are not going to sell 5 million albums during this cycle (or any future cycle for that matter), so they need to figure where else to make up that money. Hope they are at least breaking even on the tour with so many discounted and at times free tickets. And if not, I hope they make it up by playing the smaller 5-7K venues if and when they extend the tour.

    ETA: Crap, just saw Kirsten’s post. I didn’t know he wasn’t even filling out the 5-7K venues. (I’m a city girl so when I see arena tour, I immediately think 7-15K arenas.) Alright, try for the 2-4K venues then.

  66. In any event, I can understand why DC might have been tossing and turning last night

    I’ve long since stopped wondering the meaning of David’s tweets, and that of his band members (esp Neal Tiemann) LOL! Seriously, just the flying to and from California can do it. Ladymadonna and Kirsten, thank you for your contributions. I have to say I’m very proud to be a David Cook fan. I have always felt that David is a slow burner – kind of in it for the long haul. One can argue, debate and discuss levels of success, the way his songs chart (or don’t), etc, but I will always refute anyone who says he’ll be gone in a couple of years. (I also refute that about Daughtry, btw. We’re in a recession, welcome to less-than-sensational album sales, 2009 style. I also think this sophomore album isn’t as good as the debut, for me for you).

    I think Cook has built a firm fanbase of repeat customers, and continues to slowly gain more fans outside the AI bubble. He’s the best ambassador for himself. As with Carrie, hard work pays off, to be headlining 150+ shows out of the gate and selling out most of the venues is, IMO, due to not only his talent, but his ability to connect with audiences and an amazing work ethic.

  67. I think he’d be much more successful in country music than he’ll ever be in rock(ish) stuff.

    Land sakes, he did sell six million of the rock(ish) stuff.

    The bar is so gosh-darn high, though! I don’t suppose we’ll be seeing other Idolumni being touted as successful with much teenier numbers then that, which is sads :-(

  68. Kirsten,

    How much does the promoter/arena typically get for a concert? 10-20%?
    The artists management co?
    And are most artists bands paid a salary? Or do they get a %? I’m thinking since Kelly & David are solo artists there bands would be paid a salary. But since Daughtry is a band the band as a whole would receive what’s left after everyone else gets their cut and divide it by whatever internal legal agreement they have made. Does that sound right?

  69. Why in the world would Daughtry need to reinvent himself? LMAO. His sophomore album opened at #1 and he sold 269,000 for his opening week. Passed gold in August. And I’m sure the album will sell platinum shortly.

    Based on the numbers thus far, I would be shocked if Adam Lambert or Kris Allen could open at #1 or come close to getting those types of numbers — combined. Heh, they’ll be lucky to sell half those numbers. LLWD hasn’t even sold 100,000 downloads yets.

  70. The bar is so gosh-darn high, though! I don’t suppose we’ll be seeing other Idolumni being touted as successful with much teenier numbers then that, which is sads

    Very true. I think in the idol on-line fan world if they don’t reach mega stardom we just pfft at them (unless we’re one of their fans). Luckily there really aren’t that many of us and what we think won’t affect their careers. It just means we won’t get to party very often.

  71. Poor Daughtry’ ¦.

    I don’t see why anyone would think that Daughtry is doing badly. Looking at his concert stat and it isn’t bad – attendance seems to be 4000-5000 generally, that’s about twice what David Cook has been getting. And let’s not forget that despite generally selling well for his concerts, David Cook has the occasional one which sold poorly – for example the one is Casper Wyoming appeared to be a bit of a flop. Although I’d expect Daughtry to do a bit better for someone who sold 5 million CDs, he is doing OK as it is.

    My prediction for his latest album when I first heard it was for it to sell platinum (many were predicting double platinum instead), I don’t expect that to change. I would have preferred the second single to be You Don’t Belong because I think it’s the best track on his album, and he might consider releasing Tennessee Line to country radio which should help his sales a bit.

  72. How much does the promoter/arena typically get for a concert? 10-20%?

    IDK. There was an interesting blog post from BNL a few years ago that described touring costs. I wish I’d saved it.

    The artists management co?

    Whatever they signed up for.

    And are most artists bands paid a salary? Or do they get a %? I’m thinking since Kelly & David are solo artists there bands would be paid a salary. But since Daughtry is a band the band as a whole would receive what’s left after everyone else gets their cut and divide it by whatever internal legal agreement they have made. Does that sound right?

    Yep. Kelly and David Archuleta’s bands get paid a salary. True bands will split the money that is left after paying off all the other costs. Since Daughtry was largely created to feature Chris, I suspect that it may not be an even split, but it does seem to be functioning as a band. I’m not sure how it worked though with his first CD, since they spent months touring small venues that couldn’t have paid very well. Chris could live off of revenue from the CD, but the rest of the band was not a part of that first CD.

  73. Looking at his concert stat and it isn’t bad ‘“ attendance seems to be 4000-5000 generally, that’s about twice what David Cook has been getting.

    Well Daughtry should be doing better. He’s been at it longer than Cookie. I’m just happy that in his first headlining tour, Cookie has had the amazing results he has had, and as to the occasionally poor selling show, I think the sold out ones far outweigh that. He’s a NEW artist so to be doing as well as he is on tour is wonderful. By the way Cookie sold out his 5000 seat show for tonight. Woo to the hoo!

  74. Those are pretty respectable numbers for Daughtry, Kirsten. I noticed the places that weren’t selling well are also in some the most depressed areas of the country. Where people can’t necessarily afford the luxury of a concert like that. So, not necessarily because they don’t want to see him.

    This is coming from someone very much not a Daughtry fan.

    Why would any other AI fanbase care how Daughtry is doing now…wait….forget I asked that. *eyeroll*

  75. I think that Daughtry’s current album is doing just fine. He is smart to appeal to country fans because lots of country fans are also rock fans and they actually buy albums, as opposed to your average Top 40 music buyer.

    He is uber-successful, so I’m not quite sure why the tone has changed into ‘he needs to do XX’  or he’ll just fade away

    Seriously. The guy is doing rally well by any standards, but especially in this economy and especially among AI alumn. The current crop of AIers should be so lucky to have the kind of “failure,” or issue or whatever, that Daughtry is having. So he isn’t selling out big venues as a headliner, okay, as others have said, probably overreached themselves a bit there, but he’s still doing well with his tour. And while his album might not sell as much as his previous one did, it’s still selling extremely well.

    So much as I dislike Daughtry’s Nickelback-lite music personally, I totally acknowledge his commerical success.

  76. This is coming from someone very much not a Daughtry fan.

    Why would any other AI fanbase care how Daughtry is doing now’ ¦wait’ ¦.forget I asked that. *eyeroll*

    LOL too funny

  77. David Cook has the occasional one which sold poorly ‘“ for example the one is Casper Wyoming appeared to be a bit of a flop.

    This made me laugh. Casper, Wy, population 49,000, 66k including “metro” area? About half that of LA’s Hollywood district, except it’s in BFE. And that show, I believe, hit the national attendance average of 60% – hardly a flop. Considering this is Cook’s first tour promoting his first major label album after AI, being able to headline for 10 months with a 90% attendance rate simply cannot be dismissed. He’s gained a rep for putting on fantastic live shows with a great band.

  78. Why would any other AI fanbase care how Daughtry is doing now’ ¦wait’ ¦.forget I asked that. *eyeroll*

    Ah the joys of the season 5 fanwars. The one time I can truly say this blog was not a fun place!

  79. Seriously. Just because he’s not currently selling the way he started out doesn’t mean he needs to re-invent himself.

    He does need to reinvent himself if he isn’t happy with the product he is producing (or at least putting out). If he is *sort of* apologizing for his set selection that means he is not thrilled with … well, his set. Eventually if he wants have longevity then he will need to do something. An example of this is Dave Matthews Band. While I love Dave & have all his albums.. his latest album sound just like where he left off a couple of years ago. There doesn’t seem to be any new inspiration, or updating & they are hardly burning up the charts. All bands eventually need to take time to reflect. Maybe country will be a good way for him to branch out. I didn’t know he had any roots there.

  80. Considering this is Cook’s first tour promoting his first major label album after AI, being able to headline for 10 months with a 90% attendance rate simply cannot be dismissed. He’s gained a rep for putting on fantastic live shows with a great band.

    I know if I liked his music I’d be there in a heartbeat. The guy is a hoot on stage in the vids I’ve seen. Really good entertainer.

  81. I love Chris but I admit I was disappointed with this album. I really didn’t dig the first single. It was very country pop to me and not Rock at all. My problem with the entire CD is that I expected him to take his music to the next level. You expect the first post Idol album to be something of a compromise, geared somewhat to the expectations of the Idol audience. But with the second album, you expect more growth, more insight into the real artist. You don’t get that in Chris’s second album. Its like B-sides from his first album. I still love Chris and like a few of the songs off the new CD but it all sounds the same as his first one to me. I have no intention of buying his second CD. I think that is why his tour is not doing stellar. His new stuff is nothing to get people excited about hearing live him again.

  82. I don’t see why anyone would think that Daughtry is doing badly. Looking at his concert stat and it isn’t bad ‘“ attendance seems to be 4000-5000 generally, that’s about twice what David Cook has been getting.

    Don’t forget there are two other bands with Daughtry who help to bring in people and they also have to be paid. Many of the above concerts had seats discounted to $14.99 for more than a week and then free tickets yesterday and it still wasn’t sold out.

  83. Isn’t Daughtry opening for Nickelback? Or did I just imagine this headline somewhere?

  84. LLWD is moving up the iTunes chart. It was at #81 2 hours ago. It’s now at #75 (#32 pop)

  85. Kirsten, the article you linked to was very interesting. One thing really jumped out at me:

    “Today’s young music enthusiasts have diverse music interests. They get their music from many different sources like cell phones, social networking sites, iTunes and Limewire and often don’t even listen to traditional radio.”

    I was also overwhelmed by the number of people involved (and who must be paid) in putting on a tour. That’s a lot of fucking money going out before the performer gets any!

  86. Ah the joys of the season 5 fanwars. The one time I can truly say this blog was not a fun place!

    I’m not sure this is another flair-up of the Season 5 fanwars. At least two non-Daughtry fans from back in S5 have weighed in to support him.

    This could be inter-seasonal. Fanwars are like a guerilla war. One never knows where they will strike next.

  87. Regarding Daughtry, if he doesn’t believe in what he’s doing, then no one else will either. So he needs to be doing music that he’s excited about and loves. If he’s not passionate about his work, then he will continue to struggle to sell out concerts.

  88. And that show, I believe, hit the national attendance average of 60% ‘“ hardly a flop.

    You have the number? I’m only going by reports from fans at that show and photos which showed a largely empty hall. In one of the YouTube videos from that show, David Cook said that he’d return to Casper if people bring a friend along, suggesting he himself noticed the poor attendance at that show.

  89. Don’t forget there are two other bands with Daughtry who help to bring in people and they also have to be paid. Many of the above concerts had seats discounted to $14.99 for more than a week and then free tickets yesterday and it still wasn’t sold out.

    Opening bands get paid very little. On the big tours, some opening acts actually pay to get the opening slot.

    Some tickets may be going for $14.99, but the grosses are still pretty good.

  90. I’m not sure this is another flair-up of the Season 5 fanwars. At least two non-Daughtry fans from back in S5 have weighed in to support him.

    This could be inter-seasonal. Fanwars are like a guerilla war. One never knows where they will strike next.

    It’s not even a war just simple conversation.

  91. Take One snippets now on You Tube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNnMfP1OY3Q&feature=player_embedded

    Jesus, every song sounds exactly the same, except for Want (b/c there is some life in it, and he actually isn’t just droning)!!! How could they do this to his beautiful voice? I couldn’t tell one song from the other! I am glad I got Want, to be honest, b/c there are no lyrics
    Love
    Is all we want
    Love
    Love
    Is all we want
    It’s all that we really need

    (rinse and repeat). But his voice sounds really nice on it, and there is a little bit of melody. Who the hell would buy this drek? These aren’t even good demos!

    DO NOT BUY THIS ALBUM, RECORD BUYING PUBLIC! BUY FYE!!!!

  92. It’s not even a war or just simple conversation.

    Exactly. We’re just commenting on the article posted. And some of us (me for one) weren’t around for season 5 or 6 or 7 so to think of it as a fan war is really stretching it. It’s just conversation about an article. If you’re seeing it as fanwar-ish I think its because you have a history that’s causing you to look at it through that lens.

    ETA: “DO NOT BUY THIS ALBUM, RECORD BUYING PUBLIC! BUY FYE!!!!” And my response to this about Take One is: Give it up. If people like it, let them buy it. It’s obviously completely different from FYE and if they like this one, they have every right to enjoy it just as the company has the right to sell it. Hopefully, they’ll also like and buy FYE but there is nothing wrong with people buying this album.

  93. I liked Daughtry’s first album a LOT. Home in particular stands out to me, but I think 9/10 of the album was really solid. (I actually did not like the band live, the two times I heard them on Idol, which surprised me). But this second album…no, tho the second single, Life After You, as well as Tennessee Home are very pretty and I think they could be country crossover hits (particularly the latter). The songs sound like they came from Daughtry’s first album, but were the ones left over. I can see why the Tour isn’t doing that well. This band sounds a helluva lot like Nickleback, tho I like Chris’s voice better than Chad’s. But if this is not the kind of music he wants to make, then God, don’t make it! And I would have no interest in seeing either them or Nickleback in concert. *zzz*

  94. Jesus, every song sounds exactly the same, except for Want (b/c there is some life in it, and he actually isn’t just droning)!!! How could they do this to his beautiful voice? I couldn’t tell one song from the other! I am glad I got Want, to be honest, b/c there are no lyrics

    It seems they were stopped from using the Citizen Vein song but they were determine to release something. These sound like unfinished demo tracks based on the snippets.

  95. Opening bands get paid very little. On the big tours, some opening acts actually pay to get the opening slot.

    I keep reading this little tidbit and would really like to read printed affirmation of this. I know at some “fly by night” shows that local bands will perform gratis and will set up tables to sell their CDs and other merchandise. But the bands or opening acts that are playing at more than a single venue and have to travel, etc. are usually paid…either a percentage of the “profits” or a flat fee per show. They have expenses and I don’t think they are going to line the coffers of a band like Daughtry and do their bit for nothing. C’mn, Daughtry is living in the lap of luxury right now and won’t be getting beginners handouts from anyone.

  96. Let me clarify, I didn’t mean there’s currently a rehash of the season 5 fanwars. This comment

    Why would any other AI fanbase care how Daughtry is doing now’ ¦wait’ ¦.forget I asked that. *eyeroll*

    Made me think of the days of the days of season 5.

  97. squirrely, did you read that I thanked you for turning yesterday’s sad fest for many of us (me) into another happy Adam day? I owe that all to you. ;)

    As far as fan wars, I wasn’t really into S5 (6?), except I couldn’t believe that Taylor won (tho I actually liked the term Soul Patrol). I thought Elliott and Chris were so much better. But that was then and this is now, and aside form Kat’s blond hair makeover (OH, WHY, KAT?) and Elliott’s stylish look, I could really give a damn. I had been and am still am a Daughtry fan and am disappointed by this album, and I don’t think it is getting nearly the spins his other one did (pretty much every single went top 10, right?).

  98. C’mn, Daughtry is living in the lap of luxury right now and won’t be getting beginners handouts from anyone.

    Uh, not likely. Profitable, most likely. But after paying the promoter, the venue, their management co, the stage hands then dividing what’s left, they’re probably not poor. But given that the article Kirsten linked to have Devo saying that a $2,000,000 revenue tour netted the band members $12,000 each, it’s unlikely that they’re rolling in money. Doing well for a two weeks worth of income, most likely. But not the lap of luxury.

  99. Girlygirl:

    I will be interesting to watch the numbers for the iTunes sales of the music vid now that it’s debuted on VH1 (on Top 20 show today) and going into the rotation starting Monday. Kris appears on the countdown show on VH1 next weekend, right? Vid is currently #39 on iTunes.

  100. Daughtry sold 5 million albums…he wrote most of the material. He has toured as an opening act at least 3 times for big arena shows. He isn’t hurting for money!

  101. squirrely, did you read that I thanked you for turning yesterday’s sad fest for many of us (me) into another happy Adam day? I owe that all to you. ;)

    I pulled a few strings just for you Sueb :)

  102. I read an article about David Cook in the newspaper today. Mostly referred to the death of his brother. Nothing new to report. He’s a competitive guy. He said Kris and Adam are great guys and he hopes that they sell a million albums each however he wants to sell a million and one. I like that.

  103. I keep reading this little tidbit and would really like to read printed affirmation of this.

    This is the internet, so at the risk of still being told that this evidence doesn’t count (since even mighty Billboard itself has been called into question this week):

    Try this

    At larger shows (be they larger club shows or shows in even bigger venues), there is usually a set fee for an opening act. This fee can be A LOT smaller than what the headliner makes. There is usually an unwritten norm for opening act fee in most areas – say $50 or $100 – ask around and get some feel for what others in your town are getting.

    [SNIP]

    At very large shows in which the gig represents a major promotional opportunity for the supporting act, again, things can vary widely. The opener might get a small set fee or the opener might not get paid at all. The idea here sometimes is that the promotional benefit of the show is payment enough. In fact, in some instances, opening acts “buy on” to large tours, which means they pay a fee for the chance to be a support act.

  104. Suebrody: I don’t follow Daughtry, but hasn’t he only put out one single so far off this album (2nd single just released), and it did very well. It’s still high up on the charts – so I think it’s getting a lot of spins. The new (2nd) single just went for adds, and did very, very well.

  105. I read an article about David Cook in the newspaper today. Mostly referred to the death of his brother. Nothing new to report. He’s a competitive guy. He said Kris and Adam are great guys and he hopes that they sell a million albums each however he wants to sell a million and one. I like that.

    LOL – I like that. I hope he sell a million and two. I’m happy with Adam selling just a million ;)

  106. CindyM: EW has named Adam one of it’s top 20 Saturday Night Live Dream Hosts.

    http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20319828_13,00.html

    A great skit would be a KISS parody and Adam plays Gene Simmons ‘“ he has the tongue for it.

    Adam does a spot-on impersation of Gene (not the pointed tongue), so that would be hilarious. I’m remembering the idols said Adam was good at different voices and impersonations.

  107. I will be interesting to watch the numbers for the iTunes sales of the music vid now that it’s debuted on VH1 (on Top 20 show today) and going into the rotation starting Monday. Kris appears on the countdown show on VH1 next weekend, right? Vid is currently #39 on iTunes.

    Not sure if this was posted yet, but you can now vote for LLWD to be on next week’s Top 20 Countdown at VH1’s website.

    http://www.vh1.com/shows/series/top_20_countdown/vote.jhtml

  108. Isn’t Daughtry opening for Nickelback? Or did I just imagine this headline somewhere?

    You didn’t imagine it, I think there are some shows here with them and Staind. And I know that Daughtry and Nickelback will be doing at least on UK show, not sure if more. I just remember reading a post about it elsewhere about how lucky the UK fans were to have them both and together!

    Anyhew, if Chris really isn’t happy with doing some of his stuff, than yeah, he might want to musically change it up. But still commerically with single, CD and tours, he’s doing pretty darn well.

  109. Thanks, BCU79.

    Just voted – nice positioning for LLWD – listed as #2 on the list. Makes it hard to miss.

    BTW, just want to add: NICE JOB JIVE. They’ve got Kris busy and LLWD is showing up everywhere – album commercials on TV, internet banners everywhere, video showing up everywhere. I’m very happy.

  110. CindyM: EW has named Adam one of it’s top 20 Saturday Night Live Dream Hosts.

    http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20319828_13,00.html

    OMG. I would LOVE to see their #2: NATHAN FILLION!! Now that would be awesome. And, yeah, Adam would probably be fun too but I’d rather see him as a musical guest at this point.

  111. I’m only going by reports from fans at that show and photos which showed a largely empty hall.

    That was one show, in the midst of a terrific selling, constantly extended tour. Not a big deal. When you’re playing as many shows as he is, there’s bound to be a clunker in there somewhere. If this were the rule instead of the very rare exception, then there would be cause for concern, but no worries.

    I woke up with David’s “Make Believe” running around like a squirrel in my head this morning. I really hope that RCA has more faith in him and his songwriting abilities for DCTR#2. This song is well written and so catchy, IMO.

  112. I would be shocked if Adam Lambert or Kris Allen could open at #1 or come close to getting those types of numbers ‘” combined. Heh, they’ll be lucky to sell half those numbers.

    KrisDrizzle vs AdamStorm. I haven’t ever thought that Kris will sell (esp. out of the box) as high as Adam. I can’t put them together as being equals, by any means, in regards to exposure. I hope people are not “shocked” by his low(er) sales. If they are, imo, they have not been paying attention.

    Having said this, I believe Kris will continue to grow outside of the idol bubble. RS said that a radio PM said that Kris is a viable artist. They, of course, also said that he wouldn’t have the numbers that Adam will, but, as a fan, I’m ready for the slow and steady that seems to be already taking place.

    I guess this is a bit ot, sorry. Seeing Adam and Kris mentioned in the same sentence regarding sales just caused me to want to respond.

    Oh and for the record, I hope that all idols, regardless of where they placed have the kind of success they hope for. :)

    eta: a bit of editing.

  113. This is the internet, so at the risk of still being told that this evidence doesn’t count (since even mighty Billboard itself has been called into question this week):

    Try this

    My impression is that that site is meant for complete unknowns just starting out forming a new band, and not for bands like Theory Of A Dead Man opening for Daughtry. I’d expect Theory Of A Dead Man to get quite a bit more than the figures quoted in the article.

  114. Hopefully, they’ll also like and buy FYE but there is nothing wrong with people buying this album.

    I have a problem supporting people who were lying, sneaksy bastids about the material. When they are trying to cash in on Adam’s fame, after not helping his career earlier. And when they are representing it as a new Adam album, and it’s been linked on places online, like Walmart.com and Amazon.jp as Adam’s album. Thankfully it was later corrected, but still. And when Adam won’t see a red cent from it. Oh even the cover is made up. It’s a picture from Adam at the AI top 13 party that they photoshopped.

    Yeah, people can do whatever they want, but yeah, I personally wouldn’t support those weasels and can see why Adam wouldn’t want his fans to either. Makes sense to me, but of course YMMV.

    Anyhew, bored now. Ready for X-Factor lulz. Only an hour to go.

  115. My impression is that that site is meant for complete unknowns just starting out forming a new band, and not for bands like Theory Of A Dead Man opening for Daughtry. I’d expect Theory Of A Dead Man to get quite a bit more than the figures quoted in the article.

    Well, I’d be interested in any other articles that could be found that state how much a band like Theory of a Dead Man would get as an opening act.

  116. My impression is that that site is meant for complete unknowns just starting out forming a new band

    My take, too. Once you are a band with a recording contract, management, an agent, and “fans” doing stuff for nothing is a bit outside of the realm of likelihood.

    I have been to concerts where there is an advertised opening act and a main act and then there is “local filler” to settle the audience down and get things started and these guys may fit in under the “free” category…but traveling opening acts…not so much.

  117. Oh and for the record, I hope that all idols, regardless of where they placed have the kind of success they hope for. :)

    That’s the thing, the difference of having the success that they hope for or the success that WE hope for. Being in the AI bubble the past few months it seems fans maybe want and expect more than the actual artists does, myself included. Reading and watching interviews and what not I see that the artists have a much more rational view on measuring their success then we do as fans.

  118. http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118011326.html?categoryId=3762&cs=1

    2012 kicked ass last night.

    *jumping up and down*

    Please stay for Adam, people. And my friend bailed on me for tomorrow, sads. But it will be playing next weekend, and maybe the lines won’t be as long. It’s playing every hour (!) at a couple of multi-plexes near me, so I am sure I will get in. Just the music is playing, tho, not the video? Too bad. Love that video. Love you, world weary!Adam.

    *gonna go listen to WWFM again*

  119. By the way Cookie sold out his 5000 seat show for tonight. Woo to the hoo!

    Way to go Cookie! It is very impressive. Show #144 tonite.

  120. 2012 kicked ass last night.

    For those that like to track box office numbers. I like this site:The Numbers.

    Box Office Mojo is pretty good too (but I don’t think that they have numbers up for Friday, yet)

    BTW, we get all excited about CD numbers, but DVD’s kick the music biz’s butt: DVD Sales Numbers for Last week

    Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs moved 2,455,003 in one week (for $43,622,948 in revenue) and that wasn’t as anticipated as some (although it did do $196M domestically and $883M worldwide) and people are griping it didn’t do as well as the previous Ice Age Installment (down by 44%). Just imagine the numbers that “Up” did this week and “Star Trek” will do next week. That’s why more and more slots of your local record store are being taken up by DVDs.

  121. Exactly. We’re just commenting on the article posted. And some of us (me for one) weren’t around for season 5 or 6 or 7 so to think of it as a fan war is really stretching it.

    Eh. When a poster who isn’t a regular, who only jumps in with statistics to prove that a particular Idol is failing, and then posts the remark, “Hopefully a certain fanbase doesn’t notice the numbers.”–that’s fanwarish rhetoric. And it makes me wonder if I knew that person in another life (with another name *ahem*)

    Most of you aren’t biting, however, which is a good. thing.

    Having said all that, lets stop talking about the blog, and get back to talking about the Idols.

  122. squirrely, did you read that I thanked you for turning yesterday’s sad fest for many of us (me) into another happy Adam day? I owe that all to you. ;)

    I pulled a few strings just for you Sueb :)

    (((squirrely))

    Boy, did I need that yesterday! These songs are making me SO happy 11.23 just cannot get here quickly enough.

  123. Update on spins Kris’, Adam’s and Allison’s singles have gotten so far today (according to mediabase site)

    FIBOU 9
    FYE 35
    LLWD 194

  124. http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118011326.html?categoryId=3762&cs=1

    2012 kicked ass last night.

    *jumping up and down*

    I’m surprised at all the people interested in 2012. We invited a couple to see it with us next week since we’re busy this weekend. At the last minute they begged off for next week saying they decided they wanted to see it this weekend. Our neighbors are also taking their family to see it this weekend. I think Emmerich will have a new record on his hands.

  125. Please stay for Adam, people. And my friend bailed on me for tomorrow, sads. But it will be playing next weekend, and maybe the lines won’t be as long. It’s playing every hour

    u might be the only one in the theatre for 2012 next weekend.lol it belongs to new moon.

  126. When is FIBOU gonna some PR? Srsly? FYE isn’t actually killing it (yay for LLWD–I hear it a lot) but FIBOU’s numbers are kind of a joke, it seems to me.

    What will Cook do when his Tour is over, besides getting some R&R and work on his new album? He’ll be jonesing, I think, in severe Tour withdrawal.

  127. Well, I’d be interested in any other articles that could be found that state how much a band like Theory of a Dead Man would get as an opening act.

    Don’t know if there is one. This is the website I found once that gave $1000 for someone opening for Ben Folds and $500 for Creed –

    http://panosbrew.sonicbids.com/helping-indie-bands-get-on-live-nation-stages/

    but note the sentence “We work hard to make sure that selected bands get paid” suggesting that many Indie bands don’t get paid. So $1000 might be the upper limit for relative unknown indie bands. I didn’t go through their list of shows, but noticed that it’s $100 opening for Owl City –

    http://www.sonicbids.com/Opportunity/OpportunityList.aspx?c=6

    I suspect more established bands like Theory of a Dead Man would get a bit more than $1000 but I have no way of knowing.

  128. I would be shocked if Adam Lambert or Kris Allen could open at #1 or come close to getting those types of numbers ‘” combined. Heh, they’ll be lucky to sell half those numbers.

    KrisDrizzle vs AdamStorm. I haven’t never once thought that Kris will sell (esp. out of the box) as high as Adam.

    I don’t think Adam’s numbers will be that impressive, given how weak his single sales have been, and pre-orders are one thing, but real orders and it’s only Amazon, so it’s market share isn’t that big. So regardless of storms or drizzles or fog (that would be Allison at this point, unfortunately), I think both will be lucky to have half of Daughtry’s number combined and I hope that for both men, that they are given the chance to grow. I happen to this they’re both talented and have created some pretty good (though not great) albums that could and I think should, do well. Now will they? I think they can with time.

    I feel sure that there will be those that will bach each other over the head with numbers to try and put down the other guy. I mean fanwars are part of the ride, I would just add though, that this isn’t just AI, but with many fandoms (oy on Spuffy vs. Bangel). I’ll be at my lonely table eating my breadsticks with that, I feel. Especially considering that neither Kris and Adam have been doing well sales-wise right now, and I expect that to continue, so I be patient with both men and their albums and wanting them both to grow to be successful commercially and artistically.

  129. Update on spins Kris’, Adam’s and Allison’s singles have gotten so far today (according to mediabase site)

    FIBOU 9
    FYE 35
    LLWD 194

    That is really good for Kris. I hope the other 2 can pick up more spins soon. I think Adam and Alli’s songs are good too, so I *hope* it will happen.

  130. Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs moved 2,455,003 in one week (for $43,622,948 in revenue) and that wasn’t as anticipated as some (although it did do $196M domestically and $883M worldwide) and people are griping it didn’t do as well as the previous Ice Age Installment (down by 44%).

    Dang. So maybe instead of American Idol we should have an American Actor or American Director show or maybe America’s Best Film Crew.

  131. “2012” doesn’t seem to be helping TFM. Did people really think that audiences would, in droves, remain for the credits?

    I’m seeing it today with my brother (who REALLY wants to see it for some reason) but we’re definitely not waiting around after the credits.

  132. I think Adam will sell more than 200 K first week, considering promo, material (producers, writers), idol fanbase. Will it be enough to hit #1 in H200. probably.

  133. I’m seeing it today with my brother (who REALLY wants to see it for some reason) but we’re definitely not waiting around after the credits.

    Have fun Tony – it seems to be getting some good reviews

  134. Kirsten- Thanks for your post.

    Watching movies in standard dvds and now blue rays, as well as dvd concerts is one of the cheapest stay-home entertainment. There is always something new, something more exciting and something to talk about as a combo of visuals and audio titillates our senses. To date, I can purchase/rent 100 dvds to just one CD. This is just one reason why music sales is going down.

    Of course my first ever idol CD purchase is Adam. I would be interested to decipher, analyze in a scientific way using audio test equipment, his vocals in my dedicated custom-made home theater listening room. I am sure I’ll be delighted to hear the many layers of his vocals.

  135. FIBOU 9
    FYE 35
    LLWD 194

    That is really good for Kris. I hope the other 2 can pick up more spins soon. I think Adam and Alli’s songs are good too, so I *hope* it will happen.

    Yes, Kris’s seems to be doing very well.

    Adam’s spins are still growing ~200 first week to ~400 second week. So I’m not concerned there yet. I’m hoping for enough adds on Monday/Tuesday to bring it up to ~800 for this week.

    Also, I’m pretty sure that album sales for both Kris and Adam will be respectable.

    But Ally’s numbers have me worried. Her single has been available to radio for quite some time now. (Forget when it was first made available but I’m thinking it’s been over a month) and while spins have been growing, it’s been slow going. Her add date was the same as Adam’s and yet even with the extra time to grow it hasn’t gotten many adds. I just wish I knew if I needed to be worried or not. How long can she do this slow growth thing before the first stations that started to spin her drop her? Anyone have any clue?

  136. suebrody: When is FIBOU gonna some PR? Srsly?

    This week. She’s about to start her radio promo. And they seem to be waiting for the album release to start pushing harder — Good Morning America on the release date, and Ellen two days later.

    ETA:

    jms: [FIBOU’s] add date was the same as Adam’s and yet even with the extra time to grow it hasn’t gotten many adds. I just wish I knew if I needed to be worried or not.

    Well, I’m a die-hard Allison fan and I’m not worried. I think they’re just taking a slow-build, long-term-investment approach with her, and I haven’t expected her single or album to explode, because she doesn’t have a huge starting fanbase. Given that her spins are increasing at all with essentially no promo, I’m satisfied for the moment.

  137. I suspect more established bands like Theory of a Dead Man would get a bit more than $1000 but I have no way of knowing.

    Sure, but how much more? $1000 is dwarfed by $296,000. I guess it depends on how one defines “not a lot”. It’s not like Daughtry is splitting the money evenly with the other bands. They are the headliners and they will make significantly more.

    Let’s look at some other big names on the radio and see how much revenue they are generating (Box Scores are actually quite sobering):

    212 Boys Like Girls, Cobra Starship, The Maine, A Rocket to the Moon, VersaEmerge Club NOKIA
    Los Angeles, Calif.
    Oct. 27, 2009
    $53,790
    2,147 /
    2,147
    1 /
    1
    $27.50, $25
    Goldenvoice/AEG Live

    132 Snow Patrol, Plain White T’s The Tabernacle
    Atlanta, Ga.
    Oct. 3, 2009
    $65,363
    2,108 /
    2,562
    1 /
    0
    $32.50, $24.50
    Live Nation

    133 Mika, Gary Go Riviera Theatre
    Chicago, Ill.
    Oct. 20, 2009
    $64,496
    2,263 /
    2,500
    1 /
    0
    $28.50
    Jam Productions

    146 All-American Rejects, Shiny Toy Guns, Ace Enders, Vedora Meadow Brook Music Festival
    Rochester, Mich.
    April 16, 2009
    $57,995
    6,429 /
    7,701
    1 /
    0
    $20, $10, $5
    Palace Sports & Entertainment/Oakland University Student Program Board

    172 Colbie Caillat, Howie Day, Trevor Hall The Fillmore
    Denver, Colo.
    Oct. 3, 2009
    $46,514
    2,221 /
    3,600
    1 /
    0
    $25
    Live Nation

    176 Shinedown, Sick Puppies, Adelita’s Way Bell Auditorium
    Augusta, Ga.
    Oct. 19, 2009
    $44,172
    1,593 /
    2,272
    1 /
    0
    $29.50, $20
    Outback Concerts

    190 O.A.R., Elmwood Uptown Amphitheatre at The Music Factory
    Charlotte, N.C.
    Oct. 14, 2009
    $36,738
    1,831 /
    4,983
    1 /
    0
    $32.50, $22.50
    Live Nation

    204 Michael Franti & Spearhead, Rey Fresco Wiltern Theater
    Los Angeles, Calif.
    Oct. 10, 2009
    $31,425
    1,727 /
    2,450
    1 /
    0
    $29.50, $10
    Live Nation/Goldenvoice/AEG Live

    224 Mat Kearney, Diane Birch The Fillmore New York at Irving Plaza
    New York, N.Y.
    Sept. 29, 2009
    $25,354
    1,154 /
    1,154
    1 /
    1
    $27.50, $5
    Live Nation

    260 John Legend, Laura Izibor Robinson Center Music Hall
    Little Rock, Ark.
    Sept. 26, 2009
    $66,184
    1,804 /
    2,200
    1 /
    0
    $46, $36
    Beaver Productions

    302 Owl City, Kate Havnevik Metro
    Chicago, Ill.
    Sept. 25, 2009
    $16,100
    1,150 /
    1,150
    1 /
    1
    $14
    Jam Productions

    Theory of a Deadman may be happy to settle for 10-20K since that is guaranteed, they are getting bigger exposure than they can get on their own and they lose some of the promoter headaches. IDK.

  138. Current numbers for Adam from Mediabase:

    442=Tw 217=Lw 687= total spins

    Though I would love to see more spins, for a new artist, this seems pretty good for a less then 2 weeks released song.

  139. k0ka
    11/14/2009 at 2:55 pm

    I think Adam will sell more than 200 K first week, considering promo, material (producers, writers), idol fanbase.

    Really? I’d be thrilled if either/both Kris/Adam reached 100K. I think unless you’re a well established act, people won’t bother to buy, they’ll steal instead. I think it’s only the core fan base that will actually give the artists their money.

  140. Its a dreary, rainy, cold weekend in the northeast. Lotsa people are gonna be goin to the movies.

  141. jms- good suggestion.

    I better get out of this blog and get Ice Age dvd or blue ray now.

    Bye. Nice reading your comments.

  142. So maybe instead of American Idol we should have an American Actor or American Director show or maybe America’s Best Film Crew.

    Yeah, they already did the Director thing. I think it was called “On the Lot” and had about six total viewers. But there is an interesting point to be made off that — the singing and dancing shows are all about the entertainment value and ad revenue of the shows themselves, not the singing or dancing careers that might emerge out the other side. The J-Huds and Daughtrys who didn’t do that well on AI but get a hot career out of it, anyway, are kind of an accident, and the Carries and Kellys and Cooks who do win and find a reasonable (or better than reasonable) amount of success are maybe more about luck than anything else.

    Cook has said it a million times — Idol just opens the door an inch or two. Whether you swing it open the rest of the way and walk over the threshhold into success/stardom/popularity/whatev depends on hard work, being in the right place at the right time, and a whole lot of other factors outside your control.

  143. I think Adam will sell more than 200 K first week, considering promo, material (producers, writers), idol fanbase. Will it be enough to hit #1 in H200. probably.

    I was definitely predicting that a few weeks ago, and it could still happen. But the initial single sales really have me puzzled and I’m starting to backtrack on some of my early predictions.

    This year is really, really interesting from a number-watching standpoint. In that great NPR article from yesterday they describe the different ways fans watch Idol. I’m definitely a “D”:

    everything about the show is just the pre-game for the larger and more interesting contest, which is how everyone on the show is absorbed into the pop-music marketplace. I love that everyone who tries to game the system — a contestant pandering by performing “God Bless the USA,” a voter at home who rigs up his or her computer to dial the phone five billion times, the producers on the show who manipulate who plays last and is thus fresh in the voters’ minds — is basically thrown out the window as soon as it’s over. Then, it’s up to the marketplace. Who winds up like Kelly Clarkson? Who winds up like Katharine McPhee?

    This is what I most enjoy about the show, and I believe there are other fans like me, which is another reason (beyond sheer fan competitiveness) that there’s a lot of talk about the numbers. While season 8 was actually one of my least-favorites in terms of the show itself (the 4-judge panel, Top36, and judges save all ruined the show for me), I did end up liking a lot of the contestants and I’m finding the roll-out of the top 4 to be truly fascinating.

  144. mmb, good thing, if stupid NM comes out next weekend. Love the album, HATED Twilight (the movie). Which means nothing, b/c it’s going to bring in one billion dollars, first week alone.

    If nothing else, 2012 is getting a TON of press. I see that TfM is up to 64 on iTunes pop singles chart. FYE is at 30. Since it’s not really getting any spins, that seems to be a good bump. Very happy to see that Adam’s album is back to 8 on the albums chart. In your face, John Mayer (who is down to…wait, I don’t see it anymore!). Kris is up to 18. That’s the best I can do, numbers-wise. ;)

  145. I think Adam will sell more than 200 K first week, considering promo, material (producers, writers), idol fanbase. Will it be enough to hit #1 in H200. probably.

    It all depends on the competition. Honestly, I haven’t been invested enough to see what other big-name artists are dropping on the same dates as Kris & Adam (I know tons of you guys know so feel free to post!). But Cook debuted with a rather healthy 279,000 and still was number 3 because of juggernauts Beyonce and Nickelback. But he stayed with them and other “usual suspects” (tm HDD) such as Pink, for weeks in the top 10. Debut rank isn’t all that telling. Raw numbers are and they don’t lie.

  146. Dang. So maybe instead of American Idol we should have an American Actor or American Director show or maybe America’s Best Film Crew.

    They did have a Director show. People could vote and everything. Each week, they had to make a movie based on certain criteria.

    The show was called “On The Lot” and had reality show king Mark Burnett and director king Steven Spielberg helming the project. It was on Fox and got canceled.

    ETA: smartcookie beat me to it. But she’s right. The show is about being an entertaining show. The winners don’t actually have to go anywhere. Look at Top Model. Has any of those girls gone on to super-stardom? Has any Apprentice dominated the financial world? What about those chefs? One of those winners didn’t even get the job he was promised and got some nice kitchen appliances.

  147. Watching Idol Rewind – season 5 – good God when you look back – what a hot mess – YMMV

  148. k0ka
    11/14/2009 at 2:55 pm

    I think Adam will sell more than 200 K first week, considering promo, material (producers, writers), idol fanbase.

    Really? I’d be thrilled if either/both Kris/Adam reached 100K. I think unless you’re a well established act, people won’t bother to buy, they’ll steal instead. I think it’s only the core fan base that will actually give the artists their money.

    I’ll be happy if they reach 100k combined, especially after looking at that post with numbers of album sales for some pretty established bands that were expected to move 40-56K in their first week, IIRC. Which I could be remembering incorrectly, my brain is tired.

  149. I was definitely predicting that a few weeks ago, and it could still happen. But the initial single sales really have me puzzled and I’m starting to backtrack on some of my early predictions.

    I’m with you. The single numbers have left me stunned. I don’t know what the albums are going to do.

  150. I suspect more established bands like Theory of a Dead Man would get a bit more than $1000 but I have no way of knowing.

    I would say that Theory of a Deadman and Ben Folds are on the same level of “establishment.”

    The other thing opening acts get out of being second on the bill is sharing (or piggybacking off) the headliner’s touring apparatus. Crew and travel can be too expensive for a smaller act to cover, so in some arrangements, they are happy to get paid very little because their deal is that they don’t have to pay for the buses and trucks and they also don’t have to worry about covering the venue’s minimums. As Kirsten said, sometimes it’s not even free, and the label pays for them to be the opening act as a promotional expense, hoping that the exposure will pay off in increased sales down the line or the ability to open a tour under their own steam.

    Put another way — do you really think Alicia Keys would take Jordin Sparks on as her opening act, exposing a raw newbie with no track record of bringing in extra fans to all of Alicia’s fans, without some payback for Alicia Keys?

  151. kOka

    I think you are setting yourself up for a major disappointment. I’d cut that prediction in half (100,000), because looking at the sales figures of far more established musicians, even 100,000 would be a strong debut.

  152. Watching Idol Rewind ‘“ season 5 ‘“ good God when you look back ‘“ what a hot mess ‘“ YMMV

    Yeah, I agree. But they did have Top 24, and no sing-offs or fourth judge or save (well, that worked for Matt), so good on them. Other than that, yep, looked like a train wreck. S6 and S7 were much stronger, and we know how I loved my S8. ;)

    God, I am so freaking tired of BEP, Taylor Swift, and Miley (gag me) Cyrus. You would think radio stations would want fresh talent. Guess not. Tried and true seems to work best for them. $$$

  153. We’ll get our first indication of Kris’s numbers on Wednesday when the 1 day estimates come out. We can probably make a more educated guess about Adam’s numbers at that point as well.

  154. The single numbers have left me stunned. I don’t know what the albums are going to do.

    I know. I can’t even guess, and usually we have a pretty good idea how things are going to come in (Jordin’s numbers were pretty low but it wasn’t a major surprise). With these guys my most recent prediction was in the 120K range, but honestly it could be twice that or half that and I wouldn’t be shocked.

  155. If Kris doesn’t do better than Elliott (90K first week) then I’d consider that pretty sad. I never believed that he had a wild, zealous fanbase but rather that he had the most mainstream appeal of any other Idol — something that, I believe, was the main contributing factor to Kris’ win. I wouldn’t consider myself a typical “fan” of Kris’ but I definitely want his album since I like what I hear. I’m a casual fan that will download it. The last album I bought with actual money was Elliott’s first album. lol

    Just guessing, I’m thinking it’ll end up like this:

    Kris: 60K-110K
    Adam: 100K-150K…although the hype surrounding him might be incredibly deceiving. It could be legitimate (and he’d debut with way more) or it could have been left on the Idol stage, leaving him with a debut on the lower end.

  156. I think you are setting yourself up for a major disappointment. I’d cut that prediction in half (100,000), because looking at the sales figures of far more established musicians, even 100,000 would be a strong debut.

    Adam’s cd, and probably Kris Allen’s, will follow the general trajectory of AI debut cds by selling big the first week (combo of holiday sales and a still hot AI fanbase).There’s no reason Adam won’t do close to 300,000 his first week. His cd might not have legs afterwards but he’ll be a big seller week #1. The entire nation would have to turn their collective noses up at all his publicity and hype in order for him to fall on his face the first week. Kris I expect to start smaller and then perhaps, like Cook did, sell in small, steady amounts that add up to a very respectable total.

    If Adam’s cd debuted in January, I’d expect a much lower total. But this is the holiday buying season and his cd will not only be sought after, I expect prices on physical cds to be cut to encourage holiday buying.

  157. Kirsten
    I’m with you. The single numbers have left me stunned. I don’t know what the albums are going to do.

    This. Pretty much I’m chewing my proverbial fingernails whenever I start thinking numbers. I mean, if both their album numbers combined don’t amount to 100K (as truthiness has suggested could happen), what does it mean? Is it an indictment of AI’s ability to continue to create artists? Is it that Kris and Adam just don’t the same mass appeal of earlier idols? Is it a commentary of the music industry? the economy? And what would it mean for the future of not just these guys but the next season of idol? other new music acts that are trying to launch? the music business as a whole?

    Okay, going to sign off the web and go think happy thoughts for a while…

  158. girlygirl – I think it is important to put those numbers you posted in context. The only thing that matters in radio is the spin numbers for the last week. Daily spin numbers don’t mean all that much. It’s the comparison between today’s numbers and last Saturday’s numbers that tell the bigger picture.

    LLWD still has one of the strongest bullets on the HAC chart. I’ve also seen new spins in stations in Baltimore and Pittsburgh today. Hopefully that is a sign of things to come for adds on Monday.

    LLWD is having a rough week at Pop. But a lot of other songs around it on the chart are having a rough week as well. It should be able to weather the storm and stay in the Top 40 this week. And then hopefully more adds and album promo will kick in next week.

    FYE is off to somewhat of a slow start. It’s actually getting more traction on HAC than Pop right now. I think Kirsten might be right about RCA expecting the song will blow up after the AMA performance. That’s the only reason I can think of that Adam has not done any radio interviews since the premiere on Seacrest’ show.

    FIBOU is basically still at the starting gate right now. But isn’t she supposed to go on a radio tour next week? That should help a little.

  159. For those worrying about Allison, I think it’s important to remember she’s the 4th place AI finisher and Jive also has Kris. Kris is getting the bulk of the attention now because more is expected out of his sales. Allison can debut with a smaller number and be built for the long term. So I don’t expect too much traction with FIBOU (or her full cd) until early 2010.

  160. I agree that the low single sales numbers have been sobering. Predictions at this point seem useless. I’m just waiting to see what really happens. But I do think it will be much lower than hoped.

    I also don’t think the singles sales numbers are a fluke, I think they are a guidepost to sales numbers for the albums. Why so low? I have no idea.

  161. We can probably make a more educated guess about Adam’s numbers at that point as well.

    Just wonderin’ – how do you propose to do that?

  162. Predictions (jumps up and down)

    I think Kris will have the lowest opening week of any Idol winner ever. So I’ll predict somewhere between 80-100K.

    Adam is a wildcard. His presales are excellent and supposedly better than Cook’s last season. And Cook opened up with 280K or so. But the single sales are dismal. So I’ll predict 180K for Adam.

    Allison – 25K.

    By next Wednesday, HDD will give an early estimate of Kris’ numbers.

  163. girlygirl
    11/14/2009 at 3:25 pm
    kOka

    I think you are setting yourself up for a major disappointment. I’d cut that prediction in half (100,000), because looking at the sales figures of far more established musicians, even 100,000 would be a strong debut.

    Idol fans buy CDs. A lot of CDs actually. Look in past years numbers. Even considering the drop in CDs sale comparing with last year. I think the drop is less than 20%. Adam is more popular than this season winner are. All things considering, I do not see how Adam can sell less than Archuleta.

    I will not be disappointed either way. I’m not a fan.

  164. I posted this yesterday on DCO, and it looks like it could be helpful here today:

    Found this comparison of the albums with the biggest selling weeks this year and last year. It’s a pretty scary illustration of how much sales are dropping year to year. I remember seeing the same kinds of stats last year compared to 2007.

    2009 ONE WEEK SALES

    1 6/6/2009 RELAPSE EMINEM 606,244
    2 3/21/2009 NO LINE ON THE HORIZON U2 483,925
    3 9/26/2009 THE BLUEPRINT 3 JAY-Z 475,670
    4 6/20/2009 BIG WHISKEY & THE GROOGRUX KING DAVE MATTHEWS BAND 424,089
    5 11/14/2009 MICHAEL JACKSON’S THIS IS IT MICHAEL JACKSON 373,100
    6 4/25/2009 UNSTOPPABLE RASCAL FLATTS 351,025
    7 7/25/2009 NUMBER ONES MICHAEL JACKSON 348,507
    8 7/18/2009 NUMBER ONES MICHAEL JACKSON 339,000
    9 11/21/2009 PLAY ON CARRIE UNDERWOOD 317,095
    10 7/25/2009 BLACKSUMMER’S NIGHT MAXWELL 316,499

    For comparison 2008 1 week sales

    2008
    1 6/28/2008 THA CARTER III LIL’ WAYNE 1,005,545
    2 11/8/2008 BLACK ICE AC/DC 784,288
    3 7/5/2008 VIVA LA VIDA OR DEATH AND ALL HIS FRIENDS COLDPLAY 721,207
    4 11/29/2008 FEARLESS TAYLOR SWIFT 592,304
    5 10/18/2008 PAPER TRAIL T.I. 568,303
    6 8/30/2008 A LITTLE BIT LONGER JONAS BROTHERS 525,093
    7 12/20/2008 CIRCUS BRITNEY SPEARS 505,073
    8 9/27/2008 DEATH MAGNETIC METALLICA 489,883
    9 12/6/2008 I AM’ ¦SASHA FIERCE BEYONCE 482,428
    10 5/3/2008 E=MC2 MARIAH CAREY 462,971

    Carrie wouldn’t have even been close to making the top 10 last year. Of course there are still heavy hitters releasing in the next month and a half, but only 3 of last year’s top 10 came out later than this week. I’m not expecting this year’s Idol releases to come even close to last year’s, especially David Cook’s.

    http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=gmn&action=display&threa

    So, I’m not blaming the S8 Idols for their low sales so far at all. The economy and music pirating are hurting almost everyone. For another example- Bon Jovi’s last album debuted with sales of 292k. The album that was released this week is expected to sell about 150k. That’s a drop of a little less than 50% between 2007 and now. The music business just isn’t generating sales of either concert tickets or albums the way it used to, even for big, established acts.

  165. Idol CDS are somewhat immune to the drop in album sales across the board. At least they are for the first few weeks. Remember 30 million people watched the finale. All you need is 1% of those people to buy the album in the first 10 days. That’s not an impossibility.

    That’s the normal for a popular contestant from the show.

    I’m not sure why all the interest in “poor Daughtry. He seems to be doing fine last time I looked, In general, every single person from the show sells fewer albums the 2nd time around. Chris is no exception but
    he’ll go patinum and that’s plenty good enough. David Cook, Adam, Kris, Allison’s sales combined probably won’t match Daughtry’s numbers from album #1. Even if S8 folk all went platinum. That’s how well that album did.

  166. How many cds do they have to sell to go platinum?

    One million.

    Also, FYE and LLWD have met up once again on the iTunes chart.

    FYE – 69
    LLWD – 70

  167. I’ll be happy if they reach 100k combined, especially after looking at that post with numbers of album sales for some pretty established bands that were expected to move 40-56K in their first week, IIRC. Which I could be remembering incorrectly, my brain is tired.

    This sounds more like a cop out to me. If David Cook and David Archuleta were able to sell 200K and 160K on their debut weeks, there’s absolutely no reason Kris and ESPECIALLY Adam (tremendous hype and media love) can’t sell somewhere near or higher that the 2 David’s sold last year. Heck, Jordin sold 100+K and she didn’t have much buzz and hype. Looks like fans are “fake lowering expectations” to me. If he sells little, they can be “Aww-I expected as much. It’ll sell more eventually”. If he sells a lot they’ll be like “YAY! My idol defied all odds and sold a lot *such a SURPRISE* (NOT!)” LOL

  168. Yeah, they already did the Director thing. I think it was called ‘On the Lot’  and had about six total viewers.

    In all fairness, it was a terribly made show that got burned off in mediocre time slots. I agree that it’s about the entertainment, but I do think that just about anything can be made entertaining if done right.

    I mean, if both their album numbers combined don’t amount to 100K (as truthiness has suggested could happen), what does it mean? Is it an indictment of AI’s ability to continue to create artists? Is it that Kris and Adam just don’t the same mass appeal of earlier idols? Is it a commentary of the music industry? the economy? And what would it mean for the future of not just these guys but the next season of idol? other new music acts that are trying to launch? the music business as a whole?

    It’s pretty simple really. If even established acts are struggling to make 50k their first week, then it’s all relative. Don’t compare to past Idols because the economy and the music business were very different then. Compare to other acts of relative fame who are releasing in a similar time frame. Leighton Meester, and the like.

    For a reference from a different, but similar field. The two top sitcoms on TV, Two and a Half Men and Big Bang Theory, regularly pull in between 12 and 15 million viewers a week. In the early 90s, a bad week for TV’s top sitcoms was going under 22 to 25 million viewers. Both TaHM and BBT are still considered huge hits. No one would think to compare them to sitcoms from a different era. Don’t don’t do the same with the music.

  169. One million.

    Also, FYE and LLWD have met up once again on the iTunes chart.

    FYE ‘“ 69
    LLWD ‘“ 70

    There’s no time limit right?

    Hopefully the AMAs will kick off some FYE promotions. RCA needs a smack.

  170. … The single numbers have left me stunned. I don’t know what the albums are going to do.

    Personally, if I know I’m going to buy the CD, I don’t bother buying the singles. I can’t afford to pay for the same version of the same songs twice and don’t want duplicates on my hard drive.

  171. There’s no reason Adam won’t do close to 300,000 his first week. His cd might not have legs afterwards but he’ll be a big seller week #1. The entire nation would have to turn their collective noses up at all his publicity and hype in order for him to fall on his face the first week.

    I don’t think the entire nation will be turning up their noses, and I still don’t think Adam has that much hype outside the bubble. This rest of the stuff, like pictures at obscure TV Guide parties, or doing the premiere for 2012…most people don’t watch individual red carpet stuff. They don’t care about that kind of stuff. As for random articles on-line? piffle. I would consider the stuff in Rolling Stone to be the real hype about Adam, and well even that isn’t a big deal for most people. It’s not the cover and it’s readership isn’t that big, so most people aren’t going to pay attention or care.

    The only real hype beyond the RS stuff I see is for the AMA stuff, and that’s right before his album drops. He starts his other stuff afterwards, and not like it’s that much different than Kris’s there, GMA performance, Late Night TV performance. AMAs aside, they are both getting the same hype there. And unlike Kris, Adam hasn’t been doing radio interviews, and promos, and also not getting that much radio play.

    On the other hand, I’ve seen me some SuBo on TV. And she was selling CDs on QVC and supposedly selling a lot. And while Adam might be doing okay in Amazon pre-orders, SuBo is the most of all time there. So yeah, I expect, as I always have, that SuBo will have the biggest selling album that week. And 300K for her would be amazing for almost any artist (though good job Carrie Underwood) but other than that? No effing way!

    Adam’s single sales haven’t done well, so I’m not joking, I think he and Kris combined at this point will be lucky to get 100K, because Kris’s singles sales and pre-orders also haven’t been great. So yeah, I think they’re both going to continue underperforming. And I’ll be sads. But I won’t think that it’s because America will have rejected Adam. Chya, not.

  172. The threshold for platinum is 1,000,000.

    I’m in a similar boat to Kirsten, LadyM, and Tony. I had initially assumed that AL would sell at least 200K and that KA would sell at least 100K, but the single sales have shaken that for me. I have a similar mental range now to what Tony has for both, although I suspect that 60K is a bit too low for the bottom of the range for Kris. He got some spins during the summer for NoBo and Heartless, has similar AI for LLWD to what Light On had at this time last year, and is doing a bunch of promo. I think that, between that and the Idol fanbase, he’ll do better than 60K. Just my thoughts.

    AL, it’s so hard to say. I assumed at least 200K in part assuming that his first single would be a strong seller and would start off strong on radio. But the sales for both TFM and FYE have been weaker than I expected, and it is growing on radio at a nice but not spectacular level. AL does have a number of album packages with bonuses that could encourage buyers, the AMAs performance will be well-timed for his album debut, and it is the week of Thanksgiving. So, I think that Tony’s range makes sense, but like LadyM, I could see it being very different.

  173. Does anyone know how many CD’s carrie sold the first week? I read somewhere it was around 300K. Is that correct?

  174. Couple of new videos of Kris at the People’s Choice nominations announcement thing. One showing him and the other presenters announcing the nominees, and the other a short interview wih Yong Chavez (who is the reporter who did the fun interview of Kris during tour in which he did impressions of Adam and Allison…). This second video also has clips of Kris talking with other reporters…

    Kris announced the nominees for several categories, including favorite female musical artist and favorite hip-hop artist

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amsaQG2Vd2g&feature=player_embedded

    interview:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToR41wDo0BQ&feature=player_embedded

  175. You guys shouldn’t forget that Kris has already got itunes pass which will count as pre-orders since May 20th. Also I suspect he has the more physical CD buying demographic and I just came from shopping from Target and Walmart. They have his big poster atwalmart and it’s very stiking. The one at Target has got him right beside John Mayer,with the Bieber kid uo there with Leona Lewis . I think going with these people could help his sales.
    And what is that with John Mayer’s cover photo having Kris’ similar look. I laughed when I saw it ‘cos they looked alike in their photos.

  176. The past AI debuts ARE a valid comparison because right now Kris and Adam are reality show contestants so those are the comparisons that are valid, not ones to already established artists. If Susan Boyle is expected to sell a couple hundred thousand, Adam should be able to match or surpass her. They are both the most talked about reality show contestants of the last year. AI debuts IN THEIR FIRST WEEK DURING THE HOLIDAYS traditionally do very well, even last year during an economic crisis. 100,000 for Adam would be a joke. He’s not going to be that low (and on the off chance he is, it says more about HIM than it will about the economic situation or the state of the industry).

  177. In my mind the question at this point is not how they will compare to past winners/runners-up, but whether they can meet expectations in the current market. And I’m talking expectations of a new artist with a exceptionally high level of name-recognition and promo support. So far, the single sales have suggested that perhaps expectations have been too high, even within the context of this year. But it’s way too early to know anything. The album sales are a complete wildcard, radio support has barely even kicked-in, the major promo has barely even started. I’m just dying for those 1-day HDD predictions to get an idea of what ballpark we’re even talking about.

  178. Jordin’s 2nd album sold 45K its first week. So how many can we expect Allison to sell.

    I lowballed Adam’s sales. With the promo, fan support, tour numbers, he really should be matching Cook’s sales from last season. So he should be at 200K plus.

    Adam and Kris can’t both open at 100K. Somebody has to have a good opening week based on the success of the tour.

  179. BCU79, thanks – that’s a nice jump for LLWD today. I think it was 89 when I got up this morning, so moving to 70 in several hours is nice.

    Nice interview for Kris fans just posted – he is asked about the guitar he gave away on a mission trip, almost dying, and “preaching” to people.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToR41wDo0BQ

    She’s done a couple of great interviews with Kris – asks unique questions.

  180. Niall
    11/14/2009 at 4:01 pm

    The past AI debuts ARE a valid comparison because right now Kris and Adam are reality show contestants so those are the comparisons that are valid, not ones to already established artists. If Susan Boyle is expected to sell a couple hundred thousand, Adam should be able to match or surpass her.

    No, no they aren’t. No one at the record labels would use them as comparison, so why should we? It’s a different world, and everyone knows it.

    Susan Boyle, on the other hand? Totally comparable. So is Leighton Meester (who I said before) and anyone else releasing a first album this year who had fame from a previous endeavor. Maybe even 30 Seconds to Mars, but they really are pretentious about their music, and don’t seem to care about big pr.

  181. There’s no time limit right?

    Hopefully the AMAs will kick off some FYE promotions. RCA needs a smack.

    And the AMAs aren’t for another week and in the meantime….nothing. But we’re not supposed to question RCA because they know what the’re doing and we don’t.

    pffft. Ask Cook fans about those single releases. Just saying.

  182. Wow. Only $61 million for “2012”? Given it’s enormous $200M budget……that’s really bad.

  183. Canadian itunes chart
    Overall
    FYE – #22
    LLWD – not on chart

    Pop
    FYE – 13
    LLWD – 85

    Overall Album
    FYE – 42
    Kris Allen

    Pop Album
    FYE – 12
    Kris – 48
    Allison – 77

    ETA: Not sure why everyone is thinking that Adam is all of the sudden going to do ok with album sales – no promotion, and single has done poorly. Kris has been out there longer with lots of promo.

  184. The past AI debuts ARE a valid comparison because right now Kris and Adam are reality show contestants so those are the comparisons that are valid, not ones to already established artists. If Susan Boyle is expected to sell a couple hundred thousand, Adam should be able to match or surpass her.

    But I think there is a difference between normal expectations and reality. Sure, one would expect Adam to outsell Susan Boyle and sell in the Archie-Cookie range, but now that we have the singles data, we may want to adjust expectations.

    I mean seriously, if you add up the first week for all 4 debut album songs released this year, you won’t even reach 100K. Crush wold 166K in it’s first week.

    So, I think you can say that they should have sold such-and-such when compared to previous Idols, the reality is I don’t think you can expect it anymore. If the singles are any indication, the wheels totally came off the wagon this year. This will likely have implications for next season as well. BTW if the numbers are low, expect Simon to call the contestants of S8 boring. If anything is predictable, Simon is.

  185. Tony
    11/14/2009 at 4:09 pm
    Wow. Only $61 million for ‘2012’ ³? Given it’s enormous $200M budget’ ¦’ ¦that’s really bad.

    You might want to wait more than one (1) day before you start claiming the movie a failure.

  186. AL, it’s so hard to say. I assumed at least 200K in part assuming that his first single would be a strong seller and would start off strong on radio.

    I think you should ignore the sales of FYE and use TfM as an guide to possible album sales. I predicted before that Adam would sell 100-140K for the first week, but I forgot that the debut week includes Black Friday, which might gives an extra 40K or so. That should give him sales of 140K-180K. Anything lower than that I would consider it a disappointment. I think Kris Allen will sell 70K the first week, give or take 10K, with similar number the second week.

  187. Wow. Only $61 million for ‘2012’ ³? Given it’s enormous $200M budget’ ¦’ ¦that’s really bad.

    How is this bad? It’s just the estimate for the OPENING WEEKEND in the US ONLY. We don’t even know the worldwide numbers yet…no one said it has to make up it’s cost in the opening weekend. Although New Moon will make things very difficult for 2012 next week.

  188. Not only are FYE (#69) and LLWD (#70) together on the iTunes overall chart, they are back-to-back on the pop chart as well (FYE – #30, LLWD – #31)

    Kris’ single has moved up 17 spots overall since his appearance on The Tonight Show last night. I don’t know if the jump can be attributed solely to that (I would throw in the radio play and the fact his video has been on both MTV and VH1 today) but hopefully that is at least some indicator of how he, Adam and Allison might be able to receive boosts from their upcoming national tv appearances

  189. To reach platinum sales does it include non USA sales? Or does each country track sales separately?

  190. spring2009
    11/14/2009 at 4:10 pm

    Canadian itunes chart
    Overall
    FYE ‘“ #22
    LLWD ‘“ not on chart

    Pop
    FYE ‘“ 13
    LLWD ‘“ 85

    Overall Album
    FYE ‘“ 42
    Kris Allen

    Pop Album
    FYE ‘“ 12
    Kris ‘“ 48
    Allison ‘“ 77

    Not trying to bring anyone down, because those are relevant numbers, but the Canadian music market is much smaller than the US one.

    For instance, in Canada you only have to sell 80,000 albums or 40,000 digital download singles to be certified platinum. The numbers even dropped last year. In the US it’s 1 million albums or 1 million digital downloads. That’s a huge difference.

    Just saying, neither will be bringing in the money from the Canadian sales.

  191. Idols who released albums in 2009:

    March -Kelly’s All I Ever Wanted #1 – 254,000
    July – Daughtry’s Leave This Town – #1 – 269,000
    July – Jordin’s Battlefield – #7 – 47,000
    November – Carrie’s Play On -#1 318,000

    If Kris, the Idol winner, is only able to sell 60K units after coming off Idol, then that will be stunningly bad. That would be 13K more than what Jordin did with her second album that also dropped in the summer. Again, Jordin, who is arguably the least popular winner to leave the show, debuted at #10 with 119,000 for her debut album. I think it would be stunningly bad for Adam or Kris not to at least match Jordin’s album sales.

    2008
    David Cook – #3- 280,000
    David Archuelata – #2 – 183,000

    No one can say that The David had more promo than Kradam. So I don’t think it’s just Idol losing steam. Every season is different, and not all seasons have the same response. Just like w/th fashion, the label house can have styles that just don’t resonate w/ consumers. It can change every year. Again, we shall see in the next few weeks.

    eta: platinum criteria vary by country.

  192. “http://perezhilton.com/2009-11-14-2012-dominates-the-box-office”

    sorry I went to the comments section…who are these disgusting people who write these things…will know better next time

  193. If Susan Boyle is expected to sell a couple hundred thousand, Adam should be able to match or surpass her.

    Sure, one would expect Adam to outsell Susan Boyle

    Why should Adam sell more than Susan Boyle? She is much more popular worldwide than he is. She was a viral sensation on the Internet in a way he never was. She has actually had more promotion on TV (e.g., DWTS performance) than he has. She’s been selling like crazy on Amazon and tops their list of pre-orders to date.

    Looks like fans are ‘fake lowering expectations’  to me.

    Frankly, I see more people trying to set expectations too high for Adam so they can proclaim he failed. I wish him luck.

  194. Are those total sales SashaB or are they numbers for the first week of sales?

  195. No, no they aren’t. No one at the record labels would use them as comparison, so why should we? It’s a different world, and everyone knows it.

    The sales pattern for AI (read: reality show contestants) is a valid comparison because the data suggests most do a big first week when released during the holiday season. There have been one or two exceptions to this rule. I’m not talking about how the record label looks at it, I’m talking about the patterns and trends the media and fans see.

    If the singles are any indication, the wheels totally came off the wagon this year.

    I keep seeing the sales issues explained away with “lack of promo” and “iTunes screwup.” Now I don’t believe that for a second but are people now thinking of it in terms of fans just not liking the new song and/or not being terribly motivated to buy anything by AL (or KA for that matter)?

    My feeling is if KA and AL aren’t big sellers with their singles, they might have the opposite situation of say, Jordin Sparks. Their audience will buy more albums rather than cherry pick singles.

  196. Wow. Only $61 million for ‘2012’ ³? Given it’s enormous $200M budget’ ¦’ ¦that’s really bad.

    It isn’t like the movie is expected to make up the whole budget in one weekend. Factoring in global sales and the eventually DVD sales it has a good chance of making a profit. I have heard good things from people who have seen it, and the kids I work with were all really pumped for it, although their obsession with the whole world ending in 2012 was kind of weird haha.

  197. How is this bad? It’s just the estimate for the OPENING WEEKEND in the US ONLY. We don’t even know the worldwide numbers yet’ ¦no one said it has to make up it’s cost in the opening weekend. Although New Moon will make things very difficult for 2012 next week.

    It’s not about Adam. It’s about movies. Disaster flicks with big budgets – and big pr budgets – have expectations too, and this one didn’t meet them. Event films are usually top heavy. They need to make a certain percentage of their box office in the first two weeks in order to break even. With New Moon out next weekend, it can’t hold #1 again. The only thing 2012 has going for it is the increasing importance of international box office. They dropped the ball a bit by not doing a worldwide day and date release, but it should still help recoup the costs. It won’t be a blockbuster, though, and that’s what Emmerich needed.

    Idols who released albums in 2009:

    March -Kelly’s All I Ever Wanted #1 ‘“ 254,000
    July ‘“ Daughtry’s Leave This Town ‘“ #1 ‘“ 269,000
    July ‘“ Jordin’s Battlefield ‘“ #7 ‘“ 47,000
    November ‘“ Carrie’s Play On -#1 318,000

    None of those were first releases. Those are now established artists. They have real, built in fanbases based on their music, and have an easier time getting radio to play their songs. No, it’s not a comparison.

    The market has changed. Even from last year. The music business is very volatile right now. We’re on the cusp of a serious paradigm shift. This has nothing to do with a couple of American Idol contestants, but it does effect them, and the record labels know this.

    We’re talking new artists with first albums in today’s market.

    The only thing that matters is what the labels think, and more than likely they don’t expect those kinds of numbers for either of them, so it wouldn’t be a failure.

  198. Why should Adam sell more than Susan Boyle? She is much more popular worldwide than he is.

    Worldwide, Adam might not (and probably won’t) outsell Susan. But there’s no reason for him to be outsold by too terribly much in the US by a woman who competed on a British reality show, especially when he’s gotten more than his share of promo and hype in the US as part of the highest rated reality show in this country.

  199. You might want to wait more than one (1) day before you start claiming the movie a failure.

    I follow the box office. These numbers ARE bad. A movie like this with generally unfavorable reviews tends to a little worse with each passing week and does not make a profit. From The-Numbers.com:

    2012 may have cost as much as $260 million to make, advertise, and ship to theaters. If this is true, it will need to open with more than $70 million to have a real shot at profitability any time soon. That is very likely out of the question; in fact, $60 million is likely out of the question, while $50 million is a more reasonable goal. Assuming its reviews don’t fall too much off their current score of 33% positive, the film should grab about $54 million over the weekend on its way to $150 million, thanks in part to the upcoming holidays.
    http://www.the-numbers.com/interactive/newsStory.php?newsID=4607

  200. Adam will sell albums. His presales are excellent and he appears to have an older fanbase or at least ones that want to buy albums. I truly don’t believe he’ll sell less than Jordin’s 119K. Kris on the other hand…

  201. I read an article about David Cook in the newspaper today. Mostly referred to the death of his brother. Nothing new to report. He’s a competitive guy. He said Kris and Adam are great guys and he hopes that they sell a million albums each however he wants to sell a million and one. I like that.———————-

    Exactly the same thing he said to Archie.

  202. My feeling is if KA and AL aren’t big sellers with their singles, they might have the opposite situation of say, Jordin Sparks. Their audience will buy more albums rather than cherry pick singles.

    That’s certainly possible. It seemed to be the pattern for David Cook. His singles sales have been seen as underwhelming to some, but it’s hard to argue with his album sales. Adam and Kris may well fit that pattern. The next couple of Wednesdays will be very interesting.

  203. Love Cook.

    Do spins on AOL radio and Slacker.com count? I hear LLWD on AOL every time I put it on.

  204. Saga, those are only first week opening sales. The number highlights BillBoard placement.

  205. This will likely have implications for next season as well. BTW if the numbers are low, expect Simon to call the contestants of S8 boring.

    LOL, Kirsten, he did that when season 8 started, even with good sales for the S7 top 2! I’m sure we’ll be hearing about how America got it wrong, this year’s group are the BESTEST! MOST TALENTED! BIGGEST PERSONALITIES EVER!! on Idol when January rolls around, no matter how much the S8 peeps sell, because that’s just what AI does. But, I just don’t see how they can be expected to sell as well as last year’s crew, given current market conditions and their sales so far.

  206. Nope, Tony’s right. For some movies, $61 million would be good. For 2012, in light of its costs, and the fact that its reviews are sufficiently weak to mean that its numbers will probably weaken over time, this is not good. Basically, all of that tons and tons and tons of promo isn’t doing what it needed. Then again, I love John Cusack and also enjoy movies where things blow up (don’t judge me) and I have had zero intention of seeing this ever since I saw the first preview back when Harry Potter 6 came out. It just looked awful to me.

    Susan Boyle is going to sell well here. She is in a genre of music that still sells plenty of albums—just ask Josh Groban and Michael Buble. [Not saying that she is as good as they are. Just a similar sort of genre.] And she did get that internet sensation thing going. I could see a lot of people getting this as a present for their moms. Actually, depending on the reviews, I might get it for my mom. If it’s actually well done, she might like it. Enough people think like that, and boom. Nice sales.

  207. First off, nobody will outsell Susan Boyle the first week. She has had more hype than anyone out there. And, I would guess her Amazon presales must be off the chart.

    Adam opening at 100K would have to be disappointing for ALL parties involved. He must do better than that. Idol people (at least 1 and 2) are expected to do well and outsell a lot of established acts in the first week. Adam’s album comes out right after the AMAs and right before black Friday, I think his people are probably expecting in the neighborhood of 200K. Will there be disappointing sales? I certainly hope not, but who really knows at this point, lol. Adam has huge Amazon presales, but I don’t think he is anywhere near Cooks iTunes presale—the one really smart thing 19/RCA did was make DC’s CD available for presale right after the finale when his buzz and momentum was at an all time high. That’s when I bought it.

    In terms of Kris, he won, and he had a presale up pretty quick. He will do better than people are predicting. But that’s all I can say with him; I really have no idea.

  208. I follow the box office. These numbers ARE bad. A movie like this with generally unfavorable reviews tends to a little worse with each passing week and does not make a profit. From The-Numbers.com:

    Transformer movies got much worse reviews than 2012. Both movies were in the top 21 moneymakers.

  209. Digital single sales are kind of new thing in idols sales history. We have only 1 year to compare to. I’m not sure that great single sales = great CD sales. It was true for 2008. It is going to be different this year for sure. But there is no much history to know that low single sales= low CD sales for idol contestant.
    But history shows that first week of debut CD sales are usually very good and are on the same level with very successful established artist sales.

  210. Transformer movies got much worse reviews than 2012. Both movies were in the top 21 moneymakers.

    But Transformers 2 was a sequel to a popular movie, so built in audience, and it did better in it’s opening weekend and cost less to make. I suspect (as I originally did) that 2012 will not be able to make back it’s money, unless it does some stellar overseas business.

    Though I can only see this as mattering to the idols if Adam were somehow to blame for this (jigga) or in what I always thought, that this movie was not going to be able to raise TfM at all. After the whole non-MV before TII, there was no way that was every going to happen, imho.

  211. jpfan,
    Why do you think Kris will not sell well? I have a strong feeling he will shock people with his first week. I’ll rather say he has the less internet fanbase and that is the more reason his single ( digital )didn’t sell well.
    Infact ,Kris had a wholle lot of things going wrong about his single. The whole hoopla about the cover issue, the single being included in the itunes pass and the weird timing of the release on a friday without a banner on itunes.
    I’m even shocked the song has done pretty okay.
    He sold lots of the itunes passes which will be added to his numbers and again, I think Kris will sell more physical CD’s that digital which is even normally the case all round.

  212. Funny. It seems that non-fans are blaming the failure of 2012 to Adam Lambert’s song. He wasn’t even in the picture. Funny. Non-fans are also expecting more sales for Adam than Kris when Kris is the AI winner. So I guess it’s the non-fans who are putting more expectations on Adam.

    I’m not a “non-fan.” I like Adam, Kris, and Allison. But I’ve been watching AI since the beginning and I know the holiday sales factor is huge for all but a small number of winners and runners up, regardless of economic times or industry stuff. Not doing well during the holidays would be shocking and I just don’t think Adam is going to pull a Blake Lewis with his first week sales. If he does, there’s a big, big problem for Adam.

  213. I really think the only Idol who’s numbers matter is Kris’ and that is because he IS the American Idol. Adam, for all his media stuff that he has done, is just an also ran who came in number 2. So I think if he sales 100K his first week, that he should be evaluated as some of you have said as any other emerging artist. Personally, I think Kris should sale 100-120 K next week, and Adam a little less than that. I do think his label dropped the single to close to the album release date but maybe that was the plan all along. we shall soon see!

  214. I read that Emmerich is planning on doing 2 sequales to independent day. Maybe he is getting desperate? :grin:

    I still think he should have cast a young hunky hollywood actor and the film would have been a success. It’s not like they have to act in movies like this.

  215. This could be a factor for Kris Allens cd release is the established artist John Mayer..Peeps know him not Kris Allen..

    “2010” next week “New Moon” isn’t Kellie C on the sound tract.

    This will likely have implications for next season as well. BTW if the numbers are low, expect Simon to call the contestants of S8 boring.

    Naw Simon will try something new about showing his boredom with a commercial pull a “DAllas” saying it was just a dream..

  216. Adam, for all his media stuff that he has done, is just an also ran who came in number 2.

    Many fans and it seems like half the media think Adam won. Plus he got the exact same amount of exposure on the show as Kris. So the differing expectations make no sense when they were both on the show and both got record deals. As most runners up will say, it really doesn’t matter whether or not you win because you get pretty much the same deal in the end and just as many people saw you.

    The difference maker now is level of promotion and radio play.

  217. Funny. It seems that non-fans are blaming the failure of 2012 to Adam Lambert’s song. He wasn’t even in the picture. Funny. Non-fans are also expecting more sales for Adam than Kris when Kris is the AI winner. So I guess it’s the non-fans who are putting more expectations on Adam.

    Show me one post where someone blamed the failure on Adam?

    The box office is shockingly bad. Period. How does that reflect on him at all?

  218. Transformer movies got much worse reviews than 2012. Both movies were in the top 21 moneymakers.

    1. Transformers is a popular, successful franchise (TV show, movies, toys, video games, etc.)
    2. “Transformers” made $320M domestically; $700M worldwide
    3. The sequel made $400M domestically; 830M worldwide
    4. 2012 is not Transformers

  219. So I think if he sales 100K his first week, that he should be evaluated as some of you have said as any other emerging artist.

    But Adam is getting all the hype/buzz because he came off American Idol. How many new artists perform on the AMAs? How many new artists also get a GMA concert series, not just the summer but the fall? That’s what happens when you go through the Idol Juggernaut, you get more promo, buzz, and exposure. You also, however, get the expectations and the comparisons. If Adam sells below 100,000, I think that will be shockingly bad. Archie, the runner up, sold 183,000. Archie never got magazine covers like Adam.

    ETA: And he’s getting Black Friday Sales in his debut sales numbers. That will be huge for his numbers. So if he can’t break 100K w/Black Friday that will look even worse.

  220. Then why center only on Adam. Has Kris or Allison already established that they will definitely will generate good sales during the holidays?

    Adam is the Susan Boyle of American Idol. Just like there aren’t any Britain’s Got Talent contestants who are going to have Susan’s expectations, there aren’t any other AIers who will have Adam’s expectations.

  221. Kelly is not on the New Moon soundtrack. It was full of indie artists.

    I have not seen anyone blaming AL for what’s happening with 2012. I planned not to see it long before I learned anything about its soundtrack, and if anything, I’ve seen people here talking about going to see it because AL’s song is involved. As for Transformers 2, yup, bad reviews, but it did very well it’s first week: $108,966,307 of its ultimate $402,076,689 in domestic gross, or 27% of its ultimate take. If I assume that same percentage for 2012, and that the $61 million estimate comes true, then you’d get $225 million for its domestic take, or not enough to cover its costs of production, much less a very expensive ad campaign.

  222. Wow. Only $61 million for ‘2012’ ³? Given it’s enormous $200M budget’ ¦’ ¦that’s really bad.

    Sorry, I’m confused. Didn’t the movie open yesterday? Friday, Nov. 13th? I could be wrong on that. So today is Saturday. We don’t have the weekend gross until Monday morning?

  223. But Transformers 2 was a sequel to a popular movie, so built in audience, and it did better in it’s opening weekend and cost less to make.

    Transformer 2 cost as much to make as 2012. How do we even know how much 2012 will be making? It’s only been one evening (Friday). Usually Sat & Sun do better because they have many more showings (matinees) plus the evening. Also, The Transformers movies got dismal ratings (in the teens).

  224. ilovemj:

    This sounds more like a cop out to me. If David Cook and David Archuleta were able to sell 200K and 160K on their debut weeks, there’s absolutely no reason Kris and ESPECIALLY Adam (tremendous hype and media love)

    JPFan:

    he really should be matching Cook’s sales from last season. So he should be at 200K plus.

    SashaB:

    2008
    David Cook ‘“ #3- 280,000
    David Archuelata ‘“ #2 ‘“ 183,000

    Thank you SashaB for putting in the numbers. As you can see, Cook was closer to 300k than 200k.. a few hundred below 280k. Most weeks of 2008 that would have been a #1 debut, btw. I think Adam could do around 200k, and Kris around 100k (maybe even 120k), but not 280k. I think Adam will be closer to Archie’s numbers, personally, which is still very good.

    Also, not all Idols did better on their debut album. Kelly Clarkson’s 2nd album did WAY better than any of her albums.

  225. Sorry, I’m confused. Didn’t the movie open yesterday? Friday, Nov. 13th? I could be wrong on that. So today is Saturday. We don’t have the weekend gross until Monday morning?

    Those are early estimates. “Official” box office estimates come out tomorrow afternoon. Then we get the revised actuals on Monday.

  226. Susan Boyle is going to sell well here. She is in a genre of music that still sells plenty of albums’”just ask Josh Groban and Michael Buble.

    Or Andrea Boccelli, whom if I remembering correctly, was expected to win the week he was opening with 100-150k. IIRC, that is. I wish I knew where that post was, sigh.

  227. I see, 2012, based on Friday’s opening numbers, is projected to make around 60 million for the opening weekend. According to the link below,

    Mayhem master Roland Emmerich’s latest disaster piece ‘2012’  opened to $23.3 million at the domestic box office Friday, putting it on pace for a $60 million weekend that would exceed pre-release projections.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1190080/news#ni1192299

    You also have the Thanksgiving weekend coming up, which should be a good draw for 2012.

    ETA-Thanks Tony. I understand now. Not sure if I’m going to see it in the theater or not. If I do it will probably be over the holiday weekend.

  228. Since they moved the release up a day to a Monday, Adam will also have an extra day worth of sales counted in his debut-week total than Kris or Allison or any past Idol. So while I expect Kris and Adam to sell relatively close to each other in sales (based on their single sales and radio play to-date), I do think Adam is generally expected to sell more based on buzz-levels and the release date strategy.

  229. I think Emmerich should have hired Robert Pattinson and he would have had a box office hit.

  230. So I think if he sales 100K his first week, that he should be evaluated as some of you have said as any other emerging artist.

    This isn’t going to happen. Adam has already had more exposure than many established artists. Idols on major labels don’t get time to develop as a new artist would. Kat McPhee debuted her album at #2 on billboard, but her sales weren’t spectacular compared to the hype around her, and RCA released her. Blake debuted at number 10 on Billboard, and within months was dropped for not meeting expectations. Taylor Hicks debuted at number 2 and sold close to 900,000 albums word wide and his label dropped him. Expectations for top finishers on Idol are very high. I am not saying Adam and Kris won’t meet those expectations, I am just saying that the record companies are not going to be terribly patient with them if it looks like they are faltering.

  231. I would expect Kris’ & Adam’s first week album sales to be about THE SAME. Adam may have all the hype right now, but Kris had the big kick right after the finale. Poor Kris?…why the low expectation?

  232. ummmmm idk what y’all are talking about but it doesn’t seem that interesting( no offense intended,my flailing is boring too) so I think I’m gonna post some shit then leave mmmkay?

    Time until Monday, November 23, 2009 (Washington DC time)
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    holy f$&k the ama’s are in a week!!!

    for your entertainment on this rainy Saturday
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    :) after my grandpas memorial service, the reception was ALL chocolate in his honor…apparently that’s where I get it:) 9:27 PM Nov 7th
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    Ughhh… Sitting in the plane waiting to take off and the entire air conditioning system is broken! Sooo hotttt! 12:02 PM Nov 6th
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    Just went to Keirland and Scottsdale w a friend and they have a CHRISTMAS TREE!!! woot woot! Im so ready… 11:07 PM Nov 5th
    Made it home safely last night. Been in the studio all day working on a surprise for you guys…lol 3:03 PM Nov 4th

    lol.no dinner menus though:(

  233. ‘Show me one post where someone blamed the failure on Adam?

    The box office is shockingly bad. Period. How does that reflect on him at all?’ 

    -Sorry, I haven’t read all the posts. But I can read between the lines.

    WHAT?!

    GeminiDolly
    11/14/2009 at 4:52 pm

    Pretend Adam does not have a song in 2012. Look at the numbers again. Yes, its bad.

    Exactly!

  234. The numbers for 2012 and the sales expectations are actually pretty good. They will fall dramatically next weekend when New Moon opens. For comparison, I pulled this from a report on Star Trek. It was considered a better movie of course.

    Star Trek shows Paramount the money
    According to Variety and Box Office Mojo, Star Trek will bring in $76.5M in its domestic opening weekend (including early shows on Thursday), which is more than initial studio and industry expectations. Star Trek scored $27.4M on Saturday and is expected to bring in $18.3M on Sunday. Variety notes:

  235. Ok, signing off to go to work. I leave y’all with this one thought:
    Thank God David vs. David is over!

  236. Transformer 2 cost as much to make as 2012. How do we even know how much 2012 will be making? It’s only been one evening (Friday). Usually Sat & Sun do better because they have many more showings (matinees) plus the evening. Also, The Transformers movies got dismal ratings (in the teens).

    Most big budget films have their largest daily gross on opening day. Sometimes, the Saturday gross is a bit higher (when the opening is on a Friday). It’s never higher on a Sunday, however.

  237. The numbers for 2012 and the sales expectations are actually pretty good. They will fall dramatically next weekend when New Moon opens. For comparison, I pulled this from a report on Star Trek. It was considered a better movie of course.

    Star Trek shows Paramount the money
    According to Variety and Box Office Mojo, Star Trek will bring in $76.5M in its domestic opening weekend (including early shows on Thursday), which is more than initial studio and industry expectations. Star Trek scored $27.4M on Saturday and is expected to bring in $18.3M on Sunday. Variety notes:

    Movie business 101: Do not compare movies with built in franchises (toys, books, tv shows, etc) to original movies without a built in fanbase.

    Star Trek is like New Moon or Deathly Hallows or Transformers. Fans will go regardless of whether it is good because they love the franchise.

    Add to that that Start Trek got some stellar reviews, and happened to be one of the best films in the franchise, and you have a totally different animal. Not to mention the sudden fangirl explosion over the still young Quinto and Pine. There were a million factors working for that film that 2012 doesn’t have.

    Not to mention that a Start Trek-like franchise movie comes out next week (New Moon), and this poorly reviewed disaster flick will have to compete with it.

    Would you really care how well this movie did if Adam didn’t have a song involved? 2012 tanking has nothing to do with him.

  238. Thank God David vs. David is over!

    Only to be replaced by Adam vs. Kris.

    [Simon slowly lifts the struggling lion cub as JHud sings under a single spotlight: “It’s the ciiiirrcle of liiiiiffe.”] (tm maturin)

  239. when new moon comes out 2012 will be OVER.jmo,even though thy don’t have the same audiene.im going to see 2012 today or onorrow probably and maybe new moon thanksgiving weekend….

  240. Star Trek shows Paramount the money
    According to Variety and Box Office Mojo, Star Trek will bring in $76.5M in its domestic opening weekend (including early shows on Thursday), which is more than initial studio and industry expectations. Star Trek scored $27.4M on Saturday and is expected to bring in $18.3M on Sunday. Variety notes:

    Star Trek cost less to make.

    But why are we discussing movies on a blog about AI?

    I mean I might have gone to see 2012, but certainly not for TfM, but only to make fun of it with my friend and only at mantinee prices.

  241. Then why center only on Adam. Has Kris or Allison already established that they will definitely will generate good sales during the holidays?

    Last time I checked neither Kris or Allison are releasing their albums Black Friday week, they aren’t performing on an awards show that generally gives CD’s boosts the day before their album drops, they aren’t having their albums touted as “the most anticipated of the year”, they don’t have a song featured in some blockbuster movie, and neither are mentioned in major magazines this week having their major pre-sales boasted about. Anything less than 200,000 given all that would be pathetic, much less than 100,000.

    If he has the type of fanbase that doesn’t buy singles but will buy albums that will be known in a couple of weeks. Last year I looked at DC’s first week numbers for his 2 singles to try and guess his album sales, I looked at established acts numbers leading up to his release and I kept hoping he would sell at least 150k-200k- based on all the info I had. He exceeded that by a lot so looking at first week numbers for this week and Adam/Kris’ 1st week single numbers is IMO useless.

    I really think the only Idol who’s numbers matter is Kris’ and that is because he IS the American Idol.

    I have this hunch RCA and 19 and whoever else has money invested in Adam MAY think his numbers matter.

  242. Would you really care how well this movie did if Adam didn’t have a song involved? 2012 tanking has nothing to do with him.

    thank you

  243. Why on earth would anyone blame Adam Lambert for the box office of 2012? A $60 million opening doesn’t sound that awful anyway. It makes no more sense to blame him for disappointing box office than it would to credit him for great box office??!!

    As for sales. I hope both Lambert and Allen do well, but I don’t really care either way.

    I would bet my bottom dollar that Susan Boyle is going to win that week’s battle, but I don’t think that means anything in the long run. In what alternate universe would Lambert and Boyle be comparable artists in the long run? Cook was up against Beyonce and Nickleback and, despite his excellent opening numbers, hadn’t got a chance of winning that week. Despite one or two yawnsome and predictable jabs that Archie’s album opened higher than his (totally ignoring the fact that Cook’s album gained a higher number of sales by about a third) its certainly not something that has any impact on how his sales are considered now a year down the line: he’s just a platinum seller.

    Oh and I don’t think Cook’s single sales are that disappointing: two platinum singles off an album ain’t that bad, especially for a non top 40 type album. They just weren’t stellar.

  244. Have we seen pre-order figures for FYE – why is everyone saying they are good?

  245. Well, I’ve been out all day and was really hoping to come home to more leaked songs and all I get is “this Idol sold more than that one” and “this Idol should be selling more”….”this one just might as well throw in the towel – career is over”….boring.

  246. Ehh, I’m not worried about 2012 making a profit. Most movie sites seem to think 23.7 mil on its opening day is good.

    It seems on point with The Day After Tomorrow and it made over 500 million worldwide. Even 10,000 BC, which was a flop here, made money.

    I can’t help worrying over Adam’s album, but at least I know I will love it. IMO, the songs and snippets that we’ve received so far have been far superior to what I was expecting.

  247. ‘Would you really care how well this movie did if Adam didn’t have a song involved? 2012 tanking has nothing to do with him.’ 

    – Then why are we discussing the 2012 movie. I just noticed that it’s not in the headlines. Unless someone brought it up it up as having some connection with AI (which is obviously Adam).

    RTFT. The last three pages should do.

  248. Poor Kris. 19E/Jive didn’t put much investment in him even if the AI votes shows an encouraging proof that he will be the money maker. I guess 19E/RCA made the wrong investment move here.

  249. Then why are we discussing the 2012 movie. I just noticed that it’s not in the headlines. Unless someone brought it up it up as having some connection with AI (which is obviously Adam).

    We’re bored and disaster movies are fun?

  250. 2012 doing poorly has NOTHING to do with Adam. However, I feel that people thought Adam would be validated if he were involved with a major blockbuster movie.

  251. On a forum on AO, according an article from Entertainment Weekly, an Amazon spokesman said that Adam’s album has more presales than any idol so far.

    Article–Pop Star Showdown!–lists Adam as one of the “seven major singers” to be dropping albums on Nov. 23, Article also says–“A rep for Amazon.com tells EW that presales for that week are the highest of the year–and that Lambert has done better in preorders than any American Idol alum ever

  252. Only in the comment section at MJ’s can one find people posting on a huge blockbuster film “tanking” at the box office:

    FRIDAY PM/SATURDAY AM UPDATE: Sony Pictures is saying this morning its 2012 opened as a runaway No. 1 with $23.7 million Friday from 3,404 theaters, including $1M in Thursday midnights, for what’s looking like a $61+M weekend. Plus, it’s made $58.4M through Friday internationally. That’s big for a PG-13 popcorn pic that’s neither a previously established brand or franchise. Yet another in a long line of signature Roland Emmerich films featuring world destruction, this catastrophe film was anything but at the domestic and international box office which could total a huge $170M by Sunday night. It became Sony Pictures’ 8th #1 North American film this year by exceeding expectations due to a marketing campaign that went into overdrive 6 weeks ago.

    http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/first-box-office/

    Sounds like an utter failure all right.

  253. ummmmm idk what y’all are talking about but it doesn’t seem that interesting( no offense intended,my flailing is boring too)

    your flailing is more interesting than mine :D

    The more I hear Adam’s new songs the less I care about the numbers.

    otoh, I hope his debut album sells well so that he can continue to work with these great musicians and give us more his music.

  254. We don’t know how much Cook’s debut sold at internet retailers collectively, let alone Amazon specifically, because we only get a leak of Soundscan’s Internet Albums chart every once in a blue moon. But here’s an article from Idolator that gives some perspective on the number of units that Amazon represents in a typical sales week:

    http://idolator.com/5270752/attention-everyone-please-stop-reporting-chart-data-that-isnt-backed-up-by-hard-numbers-because-doing-so-makes-you-look-dumb

    Let’s take as an example the chart week ending March 1 (which is the most recent full SoundScan report I have, alas). The No. 1 album on SoundScan’s ‘Internet’  chart, which measures non-digital sales from online outlets, was Van Morrison’s Astral Weeks Live, which sold about 6,000 copies. No. 2 was Robert Plant and Alison Krauss’ Raising Sand, which sold more than 3,000 copies*. Those numbers are still pretty small even for this sales-bereft era.

  255. Who was blaming 2012 on Adam?

    Sony Pictures?

    8)

    NEW ADAM MUSIC, PLEASE…

  256. On a forum on AO, according an article from Entertainment Weekly, an Amazon spokesman said that Adam’s album has more presales than any idol so far.

    Article’“Pop Star Showdown!’“lists Adam as one of the ‘seven major singers’  to be dropping albums on Nov. 23, Article also says’“’ A rep for Amazon.com tells EW that presales for that week are the highest of the year’“and that Lambert has done better in preorders than any American Idol alum ever

    I’m interested to see what happens when you can actually buy the cd without having to pre-order. I have never pre-ordered any cd….what is the point? Many people will just wait until it is released.

  257. I really think the only Idol who’s numbers matter is Kris’ and that is because he IS the American Idol.

    I have this hunch RCA and 19 and whoever else has money invested in Adam MAY think his numbers matter.

    THIS.

    My flailing was pretty damn special last night, but after 50 listens of WYWFM and 35 or so of MP, I am ready for some new music.

  258. 2012 doing poorly has NOTHING to do with Adam. However, I feel that people thought Adam would be validated if he were involved with a major blockbuster movie

    Validated? Do you mean to tell me he had to shell out the $10 for parking when he attended the premiere?

    I like disaster/special effects flicks so I am always hoping they do well enough to make it worthwhile for people to make more in the future. I thought Pirates 3 was pretty bad, scriptwise, but I was excited to hear that Depp was coming back for #4!

  259. I have never pre-ordered any cd’ ¦.what is the point? Many people will just wait until it is released.

    To get bonus tracks!

  260. I believe the Amazon numbers are bogus. Both David Cook and Clay had made the historical list of pre-orders two weeks before this new “info” came out. Are we to believe that Adam has sold so much in the time since then that he surpassed both of them without a dramatic rise in chart position on the best-seller chart? If that’s true, then the people at the top of the chart must be doing *really* well, so why isn’t there an indication of that?

  261. I thought Pirates 3 was pretty bad, scriptwise, but I was excited to hear that Depp was coming but for #4!

    I thought the last star trek was terrible. Seriously bad, but I still hope they make another one.

  262. How much did Cook sell on Amazon?

    Sales are not broken down by retailers. We do know that David had the #1 Digital Album and the #2 Top Internet album sales for 2008. David sold 58,713 units sold in digital albums. This was the most ever for a debut artist. MJ’s archives

    So has there been any news on whether Kris or Allison will be participating in the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade? Seems like there has always been an Idol on the float. Last year, it was Archie.

  263. Only in the comment section MJ’s can one find people posting on a huge blockbuster film ‘tanking’  at the box office:

    Dude! Have you read the comment section on IMDB? They’ve had it tanking for months. We are late in the game.

    And it’s absolutely no reflection on Adam. Seriously, he probably improved the numbers because perhaps a few people went to hear the song on the big screen. Certainly, it wouldn’t have caused people to stay home because if you hate Adam, you can always just scurry out of your seat, covering your ears and shouting “La-la-la!” at the top of your voice at the end of the movie. You might even get to your car quicker as people flee from your path.

    BTW I’ve heard that sequels opening numbers are more reflective of how good the previous episode was. If people liked the previous episode, they are more likely to give the next movie a try regardless of what the critics say. Plus, there are the toys. And who doesn’t like to sing “Transformers! More than meets the eyes.”

    I think J.J. Abrams also dragged a few viewers to the theatre for Star Trek. That movie had a lot going for it.

  264. Last time I checked neither Kris or Allison are releasing their albums Black Friday week, they aren’t performing on an awards show that generally gives CD’s boosts the day before their album drops, they aren’t having their albums touted as ‘the most anticipated of the year’ , they don’t have a song featured in some blockbuster movie, and neither are mentioned in major magazines this week having their major pre-sales boasted about. Anything less than 200,000 given all that would be pathetic, much less than 100,000.

    Kris has something better than performing at the AMA’s… HE WON. LOL Plus, he’s had weeks more of promotion than Adam. Performing on Shows like Conan, having a music video, doing shows and radio promotion is not small. It should have boosted Kris’s sales, and I’m sure it did. lol

    Kris should sell the most. In my mind its that simple. Personally, I think people are looking too much at numbers we don’t even have yet but whatever. Its a rainy Saturday afternoon so I’ll bite.

    Besides, Kris’s CD is coming out the week BEFORE black friday…..he should get a bump from that too. Allison’s album is in time for the Christmas holiday season as well if you want to play that game. Adam does not have an advantage. If anything, Allison has the least amount of competition the day her album comes out. Nov 17th and the 24th is swamped with already established popular artists.

  265. Only in the comment section MJ’s can one find people posting on a huge blockbuster film ‘tanking’  at the box office:

    STOP the blog on blog talk and commenting on commenters! It’s frustrating to have to keep REPEATING myself.

  266. I’m just not worried about Adam yet. If things don’t pick up after the music awards, I’ll then begin to worry.

    I am hoping this appearance sets him up as “cool” in the eyes of the music buyers that drive the charts. That is what this boils down to. Will he be accepted as “cool” or whatever word they are using these days. Judging by some of the popular music there is no other explanation for what is popular. It isn’t listening pleasure, I can tell you that!

    I remember a year or two ago when a singer was featured on So You Think You Can Dance. I – could- not- believe- anyone- would- listen- to – that- CRAP. Oh no, a little investigation revealed he sells like hotcakes. So I am thinking it is the popularity factor. Or the “cool” factor.

  267. Seriously, he probably improved the numbers because perhaps a few people went to hear the song on the big screen.

    Totally agree.

  268. “2012 doing poorly has NOTHING to do with Adam. However, I feel that people thought Adam would be validated if he were involved with a major blockbuster movie.”

    Maybe if they showed the video instead of just playing the song during the credits when everyone is leaving he could have saved the movie

  269. I’m not also worried about Adam or Kris or Allison not doing well in the US market. They can sell well internationally. Although of the three, Kris is the most viable in the US.

  270. Dude! Have you read the comment section on IMDB? They’ve had it tanking for months. We are late in the game.

    If you want to get technical, I called it in an mj thread quite a while ago. I just didn’t think it would tank this bad. It may have some legs over seas, but it’s doubtful it’ll be enough.

    It tanking still has nothing to do with Adam.

    ETA: I agree that he is probably helping it, which is good for him,

  271. Thank God David vs. David is over!

    Only to be replaced by Adam vs. Kris.

    [Simon slowly lifts the struggling lion cub as JHud sings under a single spotlight: “It’s the ciiiirrcle of liiiiiffe.”] (tm maturin)

    LOL! LM you’re the best.

  272. Have we seen pre-order figures for FYE ‘“ why is everyone saying they are good?

    Because they’re mistaken. He hasn’t been doing all that well on iTunes, not to the numbers he’ll need. And iTunes isn’t even that big with albums, it’s more singles that matter, but still, not doing great that, isn’t a good sign. We have no idea of the numbers for Amazon, but it’s pre-orders and not orders, a number of those may be cancelled, but even if they aren’t, Amazon’s share of sellling CD isn’t huge.

    So based on disappointing numbers of TfM and shockingly bad ones for FYE (18k in it’s first full week, it’s down to like 71 overall, so might see this week with 22K) don’t bode well to me, for Adam’s ability to have a boffo week. And again, I think SuBo will kick major ass, she already has on Amazon, but also on QVC (apparently).

    So yeah, I’m not joking, unfortunately, when I don’t see how Adam will sell 100K his first week.

    Oh also there is a lack of any real airplay for FYE, and no events to showcase Adam’s music, not just Adam’s ability to look good in black at an event, between now and 11/22. Which I think is a total failture by RCA. They should have tried to sustain the bump Adam did get from his album sales, but didn’t do anything beyond Adam looking pretty at some event(s) few people will see/care about.

    I need Adam on Oprah, gosh darn it. And I need to hear about it now.

    On the plus side…ahh, and well…yeah I got nothing.

  273. In theory, Kris should sell the most albums. He won the show and had that iTunes pass up pretty quick. But, the reality is that it’s Adam who has the higher expectations; and if he doesn’t outsell Kris, EVERYONE will be talking. Personally, I hope they both do well, and I think they will. Adam may get the black Friday sales for his opening week, but Kris will get them for that important week number 2 when everybody is looking to see how much the Idol’s album dropped off. Idol watching at album drop time can be an ugly game, lol.

  274. Plus, there are the toys. And who doesn’t like to sing ‘Transformers! More than meets the eyes.’ 

    Transformers are cool. What are the possible product tie ins for 2012? Let’s face it, a collapsing Earth as a Happy Meal toy isn’t really fun. It’s like the Quasimodo figurine from Disney’s “The Hunchback of Notre Dame.” Never really popular with the kiddies.

    Hey, the song could still be nominated. I think 2012 will make back it’s budget via international box office sales.

  275. Validated? Do you mean to tell me he had to shell out the $10 for parking when he attended the premiere?

    To Validate = confirm, endorse, authenticate

  276. s

    most runners up will say, it really doesn’t matter whether or not you win because you get pretty much the same deal in the end and just as many people saw you.

    I am not so sure about this. I mean, yes, that is correct somwehat post idol. But I think from the AI stand point, its important that the WINNER has success. it’s sort of just gravy if the runner up does well. For the Show, its the Winner’s numbers that matter. Taylor Hicks is an embarrasment to Idol and though Daughtry did great, I know they don’t love that 4th place did better thaan first. I still stick by my statement that only Kris’s numbers really mean anything. If Adam does well, great, but Kris should do well because he is supposedly america’s pick and is rumored to have won by a landslide. So for Adam, media hype or no, if he does +100k that will be great. He is a nice guy, a great interview, and a talented singer. He will find his way.

  277. I have never pre-ordered any cd’ ¦.what is the point? Many people will just wait until it is released.

    To get bonus tracks!

    Well, yes I get that now. But I am 47 and I’m telling you I have a ton of cd’s…none of them were pre-ordered.

  278. Truthiness, do you honestly think Adam will sell only 100K the first week? That would be shocking to me. If that happens (and then, I would assume Kris to be there or maybe lower), than TTTB may have to re-evaluate the worth of the show itself. Winning Idol certainly isn’t going to mean much if you can’t count on the “millions and millions” of votes to even translate into 100K sales the week of black Friday.

  279. You know what? I enjoy Adam’s music and I’m really looking forward to his CD. I could sit and fret over what Adam’s sales figures are going to be, but to be honest, I’ve got enough of my own worries. Adam and RCA can worry about that. I’m not going to borrow anyone else’s concerns and am just going to sit back and really enjoy listening to some excellent music.

  280. To Validate = confirm, endorse, authenticate

    Yes, I am aware of the that definition. :) I was opting to use the other one because I don’t think the success of this film is needed to validate Adam’s music career.

  281. Transformers are cool. What are the possible product tie ins for 2012? Let’s face it, a collapsing Earth as a Happy Meal toy isn’t really fun. It’s like the Quasimodo figurine from Disney’s ‘The Hunchback of Notre Dame.’  Never really popular with the kiddies.

    Dude! If McD’s actually released an exploding tanker or some such toy I would totally be on it! They don’t know what they’re missing! The kids could use the ketchup packets to create fake blood. It’s perfect!

  282. Yes, I am aware of the that definition. :) I was opting to use the other one because I don’t the success of this film is needed to validate Adam’s music career.

    Well to be fair there was a lot of speculation on this blog when the news of him landing this soundtrack deal came that it would be hurtful for Adams career if the movie tanked.

  283. So yeah, I’m not joking, unfortunately, when I don’t see how Adam will sell 100K his first week.

    If Adam cannot sell 100k his first week when he is opening during Black Friday, he will be dropped by April, mark my words.

  284. If Adam cannot sell 100k his first week when he is opening during Black Friday, he will be dropped by April, mark my words

    And whats the limit for Kris and Allison?

  285. Jae

    Actually there is as much pressure on Adam as there is on Kris, since Adam is the one who has gotten the major media attention and who some people are declaring will be the ext “big thing”. No one is predicting Kris will be the next “big thing” in music. Both of them will be heavily scrutinized in terms of sales.

    Anyway, Kirsten, (or anyone else who has access to the numbers), I was wondering — do the combined sales for TFM + FYE even match the sales for LLWD? I don’t think that they do, but I’m not sure. Now, I realize LLWD has been out a lot longer (than FYE anyway), but I’m thinking that if two singles by Adam haven’t outsold oe signle from Kris — a single that has been criticized for its low sales totals at that — people may be overestimating Adam’s ability to put up huge sales figures, at least right out of the box.

    I could very well be wrong about this, but I’m getting a feeling that if he was really going to be this huge deal, his 2 singles should have at least have combined numbers that surpass those of LLWD. Just my opinion, of course – YMMV.

  286. To Validate = confirm, endorse, authenticate

    Yes, I am aware of the that definition. :) I was opting to use the other one because I don’t the success of this film is needed to validate Adam’s music career.

    I certainly don’t think he needs the movie to validate his music either…but when it comes to his critics they will latch on to anything…as this thread seems to confirm.

  287. Oh, off topic but I was showing my husband a utube video of Muse and he said “Great band, great songs but Adam should be their lead singer.”

  288. And whats the limit for Kris and Allison?

    The same for Kris. Allison needs a strong showing, probably not as high as those two, but anything less than 50,000 would be a disappointment. I think she will be given a bit more time though, because she hasn’t had the promo opportunities of Kris or Adam.

  289. Article’“Pop Star Showdown!’“lists Adam as one of the ‘seven major singers’  to be dropping albums on Nov. 23, Article also says’“’ A rep for Amazon.com tells EW that presales for that week are the highest of the year’“and that Lambert has done better in preorders than any American Idol alum ever

    AL may or may not have the best presales at Amazon.com but Amazon is only a SMALL portion of the market. Walmart, Target etc. make up the bulk of the CD market. This “rep” for Amazon may be nothing more than a secretary or mailroom guy who made a statement to someone who works for EW. EW isn’t always reliable in their reporting and may have just wanted the headline. I’ll take it with a grain of salt until the real numbers come out.

  290. I was wondering ‘” do the combined sales for TFM + FYE even match the sales for LLWD? I don’t think that they do, but I’m not sure. Now, I realize LLWD has been out a lot longer (than FYE anyway), but I’m thinking that if two singles by Adam haven’t outsold oe signle from Kris ‘” a single that has been criticized for its low sales totals at that ‘” people may be overestimating Adam’s ability to put up huge sales figures, at least right out of the box.

    The promotion that Kris has been getting for LLWD is probably 20X what TfM and FYE combined have received. So I would expect LLWD to outsell both of Adam’s songs by 20X. TfM was hardly on the radio, and Adam had one radio interview for FYE. That is it. You’re comparing apples and oranges.

  291. Thanks Will – that was really funny.

    I think everyone should take a 2 minute time out and watch Jim C sing.

    Or for real laughs, go to MJ’s XFactor link and watch the Queen renditions from today.

  292. Glad to know that LLWD is doing better than FYE (even if it’s FYE was only out for a week and a half). This only “validates” (borrowing from DLee) that Kris is the rightful winner of AI.

  293. The truth is, if you aren’t a fan on the internet, you would have no idea FYE is even out there. It is not getting nearly the radio spins right now that are needed to translate into sales. I don’t think Adam’s single sales are reflective of anything at this point—accept that radio play is slow and RCA isn’t actively promoting it. Things should be much clearer in December.

  294. I think everyone should also remember that Adam is a phenomenal performer. I am fully confident that his tour is going to get rave review after rave review – just like he got during the American Idol tour. He is going to gain fans with every performance and review. His recorded music is good, but his live performances are going to be extraordinary and, I hope, all over You Tube.

    His live performances is where he is really going to blow people away.

  295. WARNING: Click link at your own risk.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aemVqu5dURg

    SCORE!

    This only serves to prove how awesome Jim C is’ ¦and how utterly lame Kara D is.

    Pitchy, dawg.

    I have to go listen to MP or FYE or TfM or WYWFM (personal favorite of the four), so I don’t have to think about the sales figures. I love his music. That’s enough for me for now. If his album tanks, and we won’t know for a while, I’ll cry Argentina at that point.

    ROTFL, lola

  296. Missing my point. Many people thought Adam would sell hgue numbers. So far, he hasn’t. Now he hasn’t done a ton of actual promotion that focuses on the music (I consider stuff like the Out and Details covers pieces that focus on him as a persoa or personality more than a musician), andI fully expect the numbers to improve considerably once he does really start promoting the album. I’m just saying that the numbers he has wracked up so far do not support the idea that he is going to be this huge phenomenon who puts up huge sales numbers. It may be that Adam will be like the majority of successful musicians — put up good but unspectacular numbers and build on those over the course of the weeks ad months to come.

    I would like Adam and Kris and Allison to all be successful. I’d really like for them to become really successful right from the start. But based off the numbers they’ve put up so far, I just am not feelign real optimistic.

  297. I think Adam performance of FYE on the AMA will help a lot to increase his sales.
    Anyway, the album sales are going to be the real test and this is coming very quick. I sooo want the both of them to be very successful

  298. DLee, what do you think?

    It’ll be what it’ll be. They all got a huge chance at being signed recording artists. Let’s just wish them well!

  299. People are hitting the panic button way too early. If a critic like Roger Ebert can give 2012 a thumbs up, I ain’t too worried about the box office tally.

    And I sure ain’t worried about our Adam.

    Why? Because in a very short time, Adam is going to go international, and in a big way. The only other American Idol alum to do that so far has been Kelly Clarkson, and she had limited traction overseas.

    I have been looking over official fan registrations, and the countries we think of as English-speaking (Canada, England, Australia, and New Zealand) have lots of Adam fans. So do a couple of other former British Commonwealth countries, South Africa and Singapore. Most interesting is Singapore: this city-state of 5 million people is the 5th wealthiest in the world, and it’s said to have 25,000 Adam fans — I can’t verify that figure, but if Adam goes there on his tour, I assume it will be a sellout. Elsewhere in Malaysia and also in Indonesia, Adam has plenty of fans too.

    Can’t forget the Phillipines. This big country has thousands of Adam fans too, and some of them are right here on mjs! They’ve also got FM superstation, Magic 89.9, which could bring Adam to Manila, just like it brought the two Davids a year ago.

    But the biggie is China. There are probably hundreds of thousands of Adam fans there, maybe millions. And they are turned on to Adam in a big way. They may have problems getting Adam’s album, and already Chinese Adam fans are getting pretty worried. As this Chinese fan put it:

    “I am China’s fan, I thought that I am somewhat vacant. . . . I not too understood that the overseas website, I hoped in here understood more Adam, I likes him very much! I hoped that some people may help me, China does not have Adam’s CD to buy, in fact China has shielded the overseas website, on-line is also very difficult to purchase. Also has other means?”

    And you think you’ve got problems!

    There are at least 300 million Chinese who have access to the Internet (more than the whole population of the U.S.), but how are there so many Adam fans there? I know why I like Adam, and I think I know why you like Adam…for one thing, we’re both Americans! We watched American Idol! We went to the summer tour concert(s)! Some of us are Idoloonies too! But how is it that the Chinese are such big Adam fans?

  300. Maybe if they showed the video instead of just playing the song during the credits when everyone is leaving he could have saved the movie

    Especially since it is such a LONG movie! People are jumping out of their seats to stretch their legs, hit the bathrooms, etc……

  301. as requested ;)

    Today, November 14, 2009, 56 minutes ago
    ScottDMacIntyre: Stopped at a stripmall in Tulare CA and theyre playing Christmas music already! haha Guess my EP will be out just in time…:D

  302. Truthiness, do you honestly think Adam will sell only 100K the first week? That would be shocking to me. If that happens (and then, I would assume Kris to be there or maybe lower), than TTTB may have to re-evaluate the worth of the show itself. Winning Idol certainly isn’t going to mean much if you can’t count on the ‘millions and millions’  of votes to even translate into 100K sales the week of black Friday.

    Yes, I honestly think that Adam will be lucky to get to 100-150K at this point. I think it was Kirsten who had up the numbers from Billboard of who was expected to do well next week and Andrea Bocelli was expected to win with his release and with 100k, IIRC (grrr, having to work today, so search abilities are truncated, and I could have dope in my week for thinking that).

    And I think given how weak that Adam’s radio presence has been and how weak his sales have been, that he really isn’t out there enough in terms of his music, or not connecting with people to purchase. Though this is why I thought his not being rolled out on radio more and promoing there was always insanely stupid and that RCA miscalculated the size of his fanbase and just threw him out there. Which fine, but after last week’s disappointing sales, adds and spins, they should have realised their mistake and compensated, but instead nothing substantive being done until 11/22. Brilliant! And I just don’t treat this AMA performance as some surefire hit, it might not be a good performance, and even if it is, the AMAs have a LOT of reallly big talent playing that night. Easy to get lost in the shuffle. And all of Adam’s stuff is after that, which is fine to be on TV like GMA and Letterman, but I don’t know that that will just be a possible bump, who knows?

    But given the weakness of the general album sales, with some notable exceptions (hello again Carrie Underwood) and specifically for Adam with the lack of radio support for his music coming up to his album dropping, and his weakness selling thus far all add up to me, to a pretty grim picture.

    And yee.haw, it’s just as grim for Kris. Maybe not for Allison as she has less expectations, less money spent on her, and less prom, but I don’t expect that she’ll do well out of the gate.

    And reading that Adam will be let go by April if he doesn’t do well, yeah, RCA is harsh.

    Man, now I’m really depressed. Well I’m going to go chortle some more over Irina from Project Runway’s plagarism, lying and copyright infringement. tee hee. Though she’ll probably win (and deserves to)

  303. lol steph6449 :)

    seeeee,Scott doesn’t dissapoint.

    …which…is…why…he…will…sell…more…than…Adam…

    (nope,it doesn’t even work when I’m kidding)

  304. I would love to help Kara with her quest for “Branding” herself by getting an actual branding iron and branding a big “L” on her forehead.

    Having Allison’s review contain the phrase “top three” to include her, and exclude Danny Gokey, is a little reminder that God loves me and wants me to be happy.

  305. Please, It may take awhile but there is no stopping Adam Lambert. He simply has too much to offer. A week or so ago everyone was saying how it all depended on the quality of his album. Well his album looks like it is going to be great. It is already getting wonderful reviews. All Adam needs are some mainstream performances which he already has lined up. Given Adam’s performing abilities and the great music he has to perform, he will kill. Quality will out.

  306. I don’t understand where all the low estimates for Kris come from..i think the itunes pass is gonna give him a huge boost…it was publicized heavily on the show, was available right after the finale, when excitement was high…for pete’s sake, Kris sold over 200K of NOBO (I think, correct me if i’m wrong)!!!!! One would assume that most of the people who were moved to buy NoBo, which everyone hated, also bought the itunes pass…i expect kris’ first week sales to be over 200K

  307. WARNING: Click link at your own risk.

    OMG. Jim is hilarious. I like somebody who can laugh at themselves.

    I think it was Kirsten who had up the numbers from Billboard of who was expected to do well next week and Andrea Bocelli was expected to win with his release and with 100k, IIRC (grrr, having to work today, so search abilities are truncated, and I could have dope in my week for thinking that).

    T’wasn’t me. T’was jpfan. And it’s HDD not Billboard. Billboard started making predictions, but HDD does it better (“Nobody does it better. Makes me feel sad for the rain” – come on everybody, let’s karaoke). Here they are:

    Andrea Bocelli (Decca) 160-175k
    * Bon Jovi (Island/IDJ) 145-155k
    Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 140-150k
    Michael Jackson (Epic) 105-115k
    Taylor Swift (Big Machine) 90-100k
    Now 32 (Sony Music) 60-70k
    * Flyleaf (A&M/Octone) 55-60k
    Michael Buble (Reprise) 50-55k
    Glee Cast (Columbia) 45-50k
    * Switchfoot (Atlantic) 40-45k
    Sting (Deutsche Grammophon) 40-45k
    Twilight Saga: New Moon (Chop Shop/Atlantic) 40-45k
    * Dashboard Confessional (DGC/Interscope) 35-40k
    * Denotes debut

  308. luvadamlambert- Adam has tons of promo coming. We really have no idea what RCA has planned but they do have a plan. AMA, GMA, Letterman and who knows what else. Think of what he is like onstage, (small or large). Do you really think no one else will see what an amazing performer he is? Add to that the truly good music he came up with and if anyone has a chance to make it big it is Adam. Listen again to the songs we have from his album and imagine what he will do performing any of those live. No I don’t think we will be writing this man off soon.

  309. Truthiness, don’t be depressed. I can sense that your expectations for him are really high but only time can tell. I know Adam is the best thing that happened to his fans but sooner or later, someone else will replace him. As for me, it may take a while for me to look for another Adam.

  310. T’wasn’t me. T’was jpfan. And it’s HDD not Billboard. Billboard started making predictions, but HDD does it better (‘ Nobody does it better. Makes me feel sad for the rain’  ‘“ come on everybody, let’s karaoke). Here they are:

    lol so did they forget about Kris or do they seriously expect him to sell less than 35k, the lowest one on the list?

  311. Many people thought Adam would sell hgue numbers. So far, he hasn’t. Now he hasn’t done a ton of actual promotion that focuses on the music (I consider stuff like the Out and Details covers pieces that focus on him as a persoa or personality more than a musician), andI fully expect the numbers to improve considerably once he does really start promoting the album. I’m just saying that the numbers he has wracked up so far do not support the idea that he is going to be this huge phenomenon who puts up huge sales numbers. It may be that Adam will be like the majority of successful musicians ‘” put up good but unspectacular numbers and build on those over the course of the weeks ad months to come.

    I would like Adam and Kris and Allison to all be successful. I’d really like for them to become really successful right from the start. But based off the numbers they’ve put up so far, I just am not feelign real optimistic.

    Exactly. I think it’s better to have more realistic expectations and perform at least as well, or hopefully overperform. Than to have some HUGE expectations and fail miserably at. Right now Adam is underperforming with sales of his single, which I agree, he hasn’t been promoting the song and yeah, I don’t consider Details or a part of OUT magazine to do that. But still underperforming and very badly, is underperforming, and very badly at that. So however it happened, that’s the end result. And boo on RCA for not adjusting their strategy. Losers.

    No one is saying Adam is doomed, or whatever. But I think it’s fair to say that he’s going to have a more modest success than initially thought, which yeah, will probably be considered a “failure,” by some (and getting my scroll button ready for all the future nyah nyahing) and he’s going to have to hope to grow. Which I sincerely hope will happen for him and for Kris and Allison, because I think they’re all going to be in the same boat of needing time and more incremental growth, than previous Idols. I also like all three and yes, want them all to be successful. And yeah, probably all three of them sound like they’re going to do a lot more modestly than previous AI winners/runner-ups. Like, a lot more modestly.

  312. LLWD is still inching up iTunes, now at #66. I always thought the weekends were slower for iTunes sales but Kris seems to increase his numbers during the weekends recently.

  313. lol so did they forget about Kris or do they seriously expect him to sell less than 35k, the lowest one on the list?

    These are predictions for this current sales week (which ends Sunday). Kris’s album doesn’t hit the street until Tuesday, so his weekend predictions won’t be in until next Friday.

  314. Having Allison’s review contain the phrase ‘top three’  to include her, and exclude Danny Gokey, is a little reminder that God loves me and wants me to be happy.

    8sourcandy, also, the reviewer rewrote history to make it conform to post-Idol reality.

  315. T’wasn’t me. T’was jpfan. And it’s HDD not Billboard. Billboard started making predictions, but HDD does it better (‘ Nobody does it better. Makes me feel sad for the rain’  ‘“ come on everybody, let’s karaoke). Here they are:

    Yes, but Kirsten you found it…and included a bit from one of my favourite Bond songs evah, as well. I’ll take my numbers data shaken, not stirred (which is so odd, because if he’s having a gin martini, you never shake, it bruises the gin). Anyhew, you rock and thank you. So Bocelli is debuting (yes?) and expected to do so with 160-175 (man, were my numbers off, see, work brain strikes again). Which granted not the week with Black Tuesday, but still. I don’t believe that Kris was mentioned as part of that, but yeah, I don’t expect him to sell more than Bocelli or Bon Jovi and take next week and I don’t consider him a failure, for that. Though evidently both David’s probably would end up winning next week. Oh wells.

  316. lol so did they forget about Kris or do they seriously expect him to sell less than 35k, the lowest one on the list?

    I’m quite positive that HDD thinks Kris will sell less than 35K this week since he doesn’t have an album out until next week. Pre-orders will be reported as being sold next week.

  317. These are predictions for this current sales week (which ends Sunday). Kris’s album doesn’t hit the street until Tuesday, so his weekend predictions won’t be in until next Friday.

    Wait, after it’s out? Well that’s no fun.

    But any guesses on what Kris should be expected to sell? I really have no clue at this point.

  318. Having Allison’s review contain the phrase ‘top three’  to include her, and exclude Danny Gokey, is a little reminder that God loves me and wants me to be happy.

    8sourcandy, also, the reviewer rewrote history to make it conform to post-Idol reality.

    Definitions / interpretations of reality may differ. It remains to be seen how successful his country single and album will ultimately be, but Danny does still exist. And, by most available indications he still has a lot of fans. Danny has some 104,000+ twitter followers, a level that’s plateau’ed recently but otherwise grew constantly all year. He’s just behind Kris in that respect, despite Kris’s much greater promo as the winner for going on six months now.

    I’m not sure what to compare it to in terms of any figures available for Kris, Adam or Allison, but even with the apparently slow-build marketing plan they are following, Danny’s new single has received some ~45-50,000 views on youtube in the past week, without even a video up to go with it–just Danny’s new official pic. (Official version is now over 34,000; an unofficial version hit over 12,000 before being nuked by a Sony claim, and some other cats and dogs out there.) That’s with Danny’s fanbase assumed, rightly or wrongly, to be less of an online population than fans for the rest of the top 4.

    Not all markets have received Danny’s single yet, and it won’t even be up for sale until Dec 8th on his website, or a week later in Tunes. Danny has a radio tour in the works, and probably some higher profile appearances in planning that have not yet been announced. It may be a little early to be counting those Kradison chickens that they will all succeed by ginormous leaps and bounds ahead of Danny, in either the short- or long-term.

    I don’t want to hype expectations for any of the four, as they are all fledgling recording artists when trying to venture out from major record labels. But Danny like the rest of them, has his chances to do respectably with his debut album. He certainly seems to be working with ‘A’  quality talent in the country world, based on the songwriters for his first single (from Lady Antebellum, who just cleaned up at the CMAs), and Mark Bright, Carrie Underwood’s producer.

  319. Kris’ numbers should be really good – the pass was made available while the iron was still hot – if it had not been available I think he would have been in trouble.

  320. Saw 2012 last night – first show I tried was sold out – and had to wait in line for 45 min. for the later show. I like disaster movies but this one was cheesier than Titanic (which I liked also). The relationships were pretty weird because you had central characters that didn’t make it and seemed like no one in their families grieved much at the end lol. However, it moved along very quickly, action packed, I loved the special effects and for a LONG movie, I didn’t get bored – it held my interest.

    I think very few people will hear much of Adam singing – the theater cleared out very fast (due to the length of the movie?). I was the only person in a full large screen multi-plex who stayed to listen to the song.

  321. Definitions / interpretations of reality may differ. It remains to be seen how successful his country single and album will ultimately be, but Danny does still exist. And, by most available indications he still has a lot of fans. Danny has some 104,000+ twitter followers, a level that’s plateau’ed recently but otherwise grew constantly all year. He’s just behind Kris in that respect, despite Kris’s much greater promo as the winner for going on six months now.

    I’m not sure what to compare it to in terms of any figures available for Kris, Adam or Allison, but even with the apparently slow-build marketing plan they are following, Danny’s new single has received some ~50,000 views on youtube in the past week, without even a video up to go with it (just Danny’s new official pic). That’s with Danny’s fanbase assumed (rightly or wrongly) to be less of an online population than fans for the rest of the top 4.

    Not all markets have received Danny’s single yet, and it won’t even be up for sale yet until Dec 8th on his website, or a week later in Tunes. Danny has a radio tour in the works, and probably some higher profile appearances in planning that have not yet been announced. It may be a little early to be counting those Kradison chickens that they will all succeed leaps and bounds ahead of Danny, in either the short- or the long-term. Time will tell

    ITA. And I think that Danny is going to do better than what a lot of people on the Internet originally thought. And I think that the radio tour will definitely help him out with sales.

    I don’t know about all of the promotion/gigs that RCA has lined up for him, but so far things seemed to be going decently for him. He’s got some gigs lined up including one in December where he and other country artists (David Nail, Mallory Hope, Phil Vassar) will be performing.

    Hopefully he will line up more gigs to get his name out there between now, and when his single and album drops. And hopefully as it gets closer to the release of his single he will get more promotion.

  322. It may be a little early to be counting those Kradison chickens that they will all succeed by ginormous leaps and bounds ahead of Danny, in either the short- or long-term. He may do quite well.

    Fast forward a few months, when his CD comes out, and tad-dah! Danny may just become Number One, as you suggest, and reclaim the position that he was supposed to get from the get-go of AI8, but for some mysterious reason did not. It’s called justice for Danny.

  323. But still underperforming and very badly, is underperforming, and very badly at that. So however it happened, that’s the end result. And boo on RCA for not adjusting their strategy. Losers.

    Well, maybe underperforming to the standards of people who care only about comparing one Idol’s first week single performance to another’s. Maybe not underperforming for a company more interested in album sales than single sales. And the “end result” may be that a good number of Collector’s Edition albums for $24.99 a piece have been sold on AO.

  324. 4evrmomof4 – so HAPPY to hear that in your case, people actually stayed to listen to Adam’s song in 2012 – I was disappointed in my crowd (but they were almost completely an under 30 crowd maybe because I ended up at the later show).

  325. Just got back from a real life afternoon and it was very eye-opening. Went to lunch across from the Mall and couldn’t believe my eyes. The parking lot was pretty deserted…and on a Saturday afternoon. Even the theater lot had lots of spaces. And we were seated at the Restaurant as we walked in the door…and that never, ever happens.

    And as we drove around the outlots around the Mall I was flabbergasted to see half of the retail units closed. Virgin is closed, Blockbuster is closed, a couple of furniture stores, the wine store and the list goes on and on.

    Maybe the rest of the world is doing well economically but Phoenix (Chandler) is looking more and more like the big bomb has dropped. Nobody is at Target, WalMart is pretty deserted, two grocery stores in my neighborhood have closed and the post office is next. So how everyone thinks that there is going to be money for luxuries like albums and music singles…don’t get it. I bet the illegal downloads this year will be off the charts….and a single CD will be illegally copied for everyone within 6 degrees of seperation.

    Kris, Adam, and Allison are totally unproven at this point. The little extra money available to spend will go to the proven Artists…people who have alread been accepted by the masses. This is probably the worst year ever for new Artists and its only going to get worse before it gets better. Bah humbug is everywhere this Christmas.

  326. iTunes Canada has FYE the single at 24 and FYE the album at 35.

    I don’t know the ins and outs of #s and radio play but it doesn’t seem to me that the single has been promoted so it’s difficult to get too worried about that.

    And, for the album, it’s 35 and it hasn’t been released yet. You can’t listen to any of the tracks in the iTunes store except FYE … and all of the 34 albums ahead of it have already been released … some for quite a while with a number of successful singles to back them up. So, to me, the single and the album both seem to be doing fairly well for products that haven’t been released or promoted

    So I really don’t understand the panic.

  327. Maybe the rest of the world is doing well economically but Phoenix (Chandler) is looking more and more like the big bomb has dropped.

    I think Phoenix is one of the areas that is suffering most from the recession. Not to say it isn’t bad everywhere, but Phoenix boomed a bit to quickly, and property prices their were very inflated.

    Kris, Adam, and Allison are totally unproven at this point. The little extra money available to spend will go to the proven Artists’ ¦people who have alread been accepted by the masses.

    I think where this is going to be most felt is the sale to younger fans. I think a lot of older AI fans don’t spend as much on music, so they will be less hesitant to splurge on an Idol CD.

  328. Truthiness, re: you post at 6:19 p.m. that the AMA performance might not be a surefire thing:

    I was beginning to think that I may be the only one concerned about Adam’s planned performance at the AMA’s. I’m certainly no expert, but I can’t really see many YOUNG people being fascinated by 1930’s dark, opium den, type interpretation–even with the incredible performance and vocals. I’m sure they know what they’re doing, but I thought they were wanting to increase interest from the younger folks. I’ve been a little concerned but did not want to be the first one to bring this up.

    I just hope this does bode well for Adam. I do trust him and will hold on for the ride.

  329. Fast forward a few months, when his CD comes out, and tad-dah! Danny may just become Number One, as you suggest, and reclaim the position that he was supposed to get from the get-go of AI8, but for some mysterious reason did not. It’s called justice for Danny.

    As someone who really loves Danny’s singing, of course I’d be thrilled to see him do great. I also hope the others do well. To me, they are different people with different musical styles ‘“ Danny especially doesn’t need to compete directly for sales with Kris, Adam or Allison since he’s in an entirely different genre of music.

    I don’t think overly high expectations help any of these folks. Adam especially may be subject to that online and in some corners of the media. So, I wasn’t actually trying to assert that Danny will come up with the highest sale totals in the long run — though must say I don’t see that as outside the realm of possibility, as Danny appears very popular and the country music market has been expanding for years. My main point was just that it’s way premature and supported by very few facts to assume Danny will not be as much a part of the “post-AI history” for the AI8 season as any others.

    If there were to be some ‘justice for Danny,’ I’d probably rather judge that by seeing him successful enough that certain media types would have to eat a little crow. (Idolatry, anyone? Lol.)

  330. Also, at $17.00 the, as yet unreleased, FYE is expensive; almost twice the price of albums that are selling more.

    And wouldn’t it be more sensible to put your advertising dollars into the week before the after-Thanksgiving spending spree? Why put the title out there too early just to have it fade out of memory before people get out their wallets for holiday buying? Fewer people will be buying, so I would think that you’d want to really get in their faces at exactly the right time. IMHO … with liberal amounts of surmising and guessing.

    And I really don’t get the way that people compare one idol to another. That’s not the game anymore.

  331. ohmygoshhhhh the dude is working on adam’s tour!!!!! probably won’t b able to go though,because most acts I picture him opening for aren’t ” family friendly”( big friggin eyeroll)
    idk.

    whatevs.

  332. Tess, certainly consumer spending and discretionary spend are down. To be certain, Retailers will be prudent in inventory ordering, which is what will hurt them if they overstock. Big ticket items will be harder to move. However, people are still spending. It’s down but it has not stopped. Case in point, Carrie just moved 318,000 units this past week.

    I do think that people will be extremely selective in that discretionary spend. There are other high-profile artists who will be dropping on 11/17 and 11/23. The AI8’ers will be competing in the real world, and not with one another. So let’s hope that the actual products (albums) and the music resonate enough for those dollars to be spent on Kris, Adam, and Allison.

  333. FYE’s national radio debut @OpenHouseParty..

    # Oh yeah, Idol fans…tonight national radio debut of new Adam Lambert song! Open House Party rocks. about 1 hour ago from Twitterrific

  334. Remember when Adam tweeted this:
    also new hottie girl Ke$ha’s single TiK ToK is yummy! 11:15 PM Aug 28th from web

    Seems like that song took a while to climb the charts but now it’s been holding at the top for quite a while – does it always take songs this long to catch on?

  335. I feel Adam’s management has both high hopes for him as well as realistic expectations regarding his appeals and sales in the current market and economy. They know what they have on their hands and might be knowingly taking their time with Adam. I don’t think they are shooting for that 15-minute fame nor an instant gratification. Maybe their sights are set farther in the horizon than what his fans are giving them credit for… just a hunch. They are hoping to plant sturdy roots for their future money tree?? It takes time and patience, and I think they understand this and are willing to gamble. They are, like Adam’s fans, are strapped in for the ride, too. Hope it’s crazy, fun, & wild!

  336. Can’t forget the Phillipines. This big country has thousands of Adam fans too, and some of them are right here on mjs! They’ve also got FM superstation, Magic 89.9, which could bring Adam to Manila, just like it brought the two Davids a year ago.

    I can vouch for this. Within my immediate friends alone, I’d say 1 out 5 are Adam fans. However, the Philippines does not buy that many album. If Adam sells 30k (a double platinum) he is already a huge success by our standards. But a concert is a whole different ballgame. People will come in droves especially if it’s a combined concert with Kris Allen (like what they did with the Davids).

  337. FYE’s national radio debut @OpenHouseParty..

    # Oh yeah, Idol fans’ ¦tonight national radio debut of new Adam Lambert song! Open House Party rocks. about 1 hour ago from Twitterrific

    what time? or is it over?

  338. Kris’ numbers should be really good ‘“ the pass was made available while the iron was still hot ‘“ if it had not been available I think he would have been in trouble.

    I didn’t know that, and excellent point and probably a strategy they should do for all the idols they are going to sign. So that being said, what would be a good number for Kris? What does that look like? Anyone have a ballpark figure, and don’t say 280K like David Cook did last year. Well you can of course say it, but I just don’t think that’s realistic in this economy.

    Well, maybe underperforming to the standards of people who care only about comparing one Idol’s first week single performance to another’s. Maybe not underperforming for a company more interested in album sales than single sales. And the ‘end result’  may be that a good number of Collector’s Edition albums for $24.99 a piece have been sold on AO.

    All companies want to sell as much product as possible. And why wouldn’t they want to do both? It’s not like both can’t be done. Or at least a greater effort made to do both. And besides comparing to previous year’s idols, which I agree, can get tedious, the record company will want a level of success from Adam, period. They will want a return on their investment. And as part of that, will be single sales. And singles can help, though not always (Jordin Sparks, I’m looking at you here) album sales. At the least it can lead to people willing to give the album a listen. But the single sales haven’t been good, not for someone with the platform of AI. So while I am not one of those for insane expectations on Adam or saying he The Most Hyped Contestant Ever! (feh) he does realistically have some expected level of sales based on his platform. Which yes, part of that equation is what others previously have sold using that platform. Tedious as it is.

    And I find it hard to believe that in this economy that there were that many $24 albums sold that justify 18K in singe sales the first week and what will probably be 20K this week. People going to AO to buy the single were his fanbase, people who then translated it to a $24 dollar purchase were his really hardcore fanbase. Getting people to go to iTunes, the most popular place to buy singles, and spend a whole .99, should, given this economy, probably a lot easier to get people to do. So I personally don’t think that it’s some sort of grand plan of RCAs to get people to buy more albums, when that only works for small group of people.

    Adam needs to get beyond his (evidently) small base to be successful, and part of that should be single sales first and ultimately, hopefully, album sales. He isn’t delivering with single sales to where he should be. At least from what I can see. If you think it’s some plan of RCA’s and that it isn’t just as simple as Adam having a smaller fanbase than they thought and miscalculating and not then promoting Adam more to make up for that, cool. Mileage clearly varies.

  339. Thank you, 4evrmomof4 and NewFan for bringing some sunshine back to the blog tonight! I can’t help but think both Adam and Kris are doing as their labels expect, or they wouldn’t be putting the $$ into tours, music videos, professional choreographers with impressive resumes, etc. RCA and Jive know full well how well they both sold on I-Tunes during the show, how well Kris’ I-Tunes pass did, and how they’re selling now in terms of pre-orders. While we’re all doom and glooming, these two companies are sinking more $$ into their investments, which to me signals that they feel they’re getting some return on those investments. It’s not like they haven’t handled tons of budding stars before them. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY’RE DOING! I truly believe this. Also, when Adam was asked on Ryan’s show about his tour, Adam commented that he wasn’t sure because it all depended on how his album did. Well, two weeks later we’re hearing someone has been lined up to work with him on his tour and other appearances. That, to me, indicates he’s meeting expectations for RCA, so they plan to send him out on tour. I’m a novice at all of this, but that’s what common sense tells me.

  340. good news!

    @openhouseparty

    Oh yeah, Idol fans…tonight national radio debut of new Adam Lambert song! Open House Party rocks.
    6 minutes ago from Twitterrific

    Here are the long list of stations FYE will be played on for Open House Party, a radio dance show:
    http://www.openhouseparty.com/stations.html

  341. luv,

    Open HOuse Party-It just started

    Open House Party airs every Saturday and Sunday night live from 7 to midnight Eastern and Mountain time,
    6-11 PM Central and Pacific time.

    when the show started, they announced that they are playing the National Radio DEbut of Adam Lambert’s single, so it hasn’t played yet that I know of…

  342. @openhouseparty

    Oh yeah, Idol fans’ ¦tonight national radio debut of new Adam Lambert song! Open House Party rocks.
    6 minutes ago from Twitterrific

    Here are the long list of stations FYE will be played on for Open House Party, a radio dance show:
    http://www.openhouseparty.com/stations.html

    You can call in your requests to open house phone line 800-669-1010..
    their playlist is based all on requests.

  343. Adam is sitting pretty at number 9 presale albums at Amazon Japan. He hasn’t dropped from the top 10 in 2 weeks.

    http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/music/564624/ref=pd_ts_zbs_fg_eng_564624_more?&pf_rd_p=51963906&pf_rd_s=right-4&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=1094656&pf_rd_m=AN1VRQENFRJN5&pf_rd_r=1NB7S15AS9SFBH6YFGAZ

    I don’t know what kind of ranking this is, but I doubt it’s top overall albums. Maybee it’s the rankings for import?

    I think this is the actual rankings:
    http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/music/ref=pd_ts_m_ldr_music

  344. Well, maybe underperforming to the standards of people who care only about comparing one Idol’s first week single performance to another’s. Maybe not underperforming for a company more interested in album sales than single sales. And the ‘end result’  may be that a good number of Collector’s Edition albums for $24.99 a piece have been sold on AO.

    Yup. I agree. We have no idea where Adam will be this time next year. Thats what really counts.

  345. I think we want Adam to be successful so badly, that we focus on every little detail and don’t see the big picture, and the fact that his beautiful face and personality has no been out there to promote his music yet.

    I believe that this was a deal they made to get a new, untested performer onto the AMAs, just think what a win that was….

    We can’t expect stupendous sales with no promotion. If RCA was worried, he would have beenout there already, but they have their own strategy, we just have to wait and be surprised.

    His music is really, really good, guys, we need to have some faith, that we can’t be the only ones in the whole world that will think it is great…

    To watch all those guys in theater today, dads, grandpas and young hip guys at a matinee, which, although the movie was playing in 4 theaters at once, was packed, really getting into Adam’s song was really heartwarming…

  346. Truthiness:

    Yeah, the Kris iTunes pass was on sale within a day or two of the Finale, and included the album, NoBo, numerous tour videos and interviews. Everyone who bought the pass back in May/June/July/Aug/Sept etc received LLWD without having to buy the single. This is why there was some discussion that the iTunes pass negatively affected single sales of LLWD (this is the first year they’ve done the iTunes pass). So, no one really knows right now how LLWD would have sold if the iTunes pass was not made available all along. Obviously LLWD would have sold more, but how many more copies is a matter of speculation.

    Re: The Open House Party — haha, Kris was on that a few weeks ago. There was a big listening party at ONTD_AI, and it was literally a 4-6 hour wait (can’t remember exactly), and the Kris interview was about 4 questions spread out over half an hour. Have fun! I will NOT be listening to that show again, LOL.

  347. Kris’ numbers should be really good ‘“ the pass was made available while the iron was still hot ‘“ if it had not been available I think he would have been in trouble.

    The itunes pass was a new thing and if any of the fans were like me they didn’t really know what it was. It took me some time to figure out what I was buying and if I wanted it . But then that’s me. Others may have understood it easier, but since they only have one other thing that’s a pass (I think) it was just different and to me not easily understood.

  348. They are playing TFM with Adam on the Reelz Channel Spotlight, about disaster movies.

  349. what is this?

    Resolution Radio Artist of the Week – Adam Lambert (last day)! (DJ Lilly â™ ¥ Brianna) LOL. DJ Isis – Tonight at 9pm est!
    5 minutes ago

  350. Re: The Open House Party ‘” haha, Kris was on that a few weeks ago. There was a big listening party at ONTD_AI, and it was literally a 4-6 hour wait (can’t remember exactly), and the Kris interview was about 4 questions spread out over half an hour. Have fun! I will NOT be listening to that show again, LOL.

    Not nearly as satisfying as the listening party for when Adam and Kris guest hosted Ryan’s show. Man, that was good times. Especially with all those interesting commericials from the Phillipines inbetween. And what with those commericals to whiten yourself? That was saddening.

  351. Yes, exactly. Some of the commercials from the various Kris Radio Posts live on in infamy and are quoted frequently. If you ever see references to Kathleen at ONTD_AI, she was on a commercial about teaching her baby to read during one of the parties and was a big hit.

    I hope you all don’t have to wait hours to hear FYE tonight like we did with LLWD! Is Adam being interviewed also? I believe they tweeted that Kris was going to be on the show, so if they haven’t tweeted that they are interviewing Adam, then they probably aren’t.

  352. I don’t understand where all the low estimates for Kris come from..i think the itunes pass is gonna give him a huge boost’ ¦it was publicized heavily on the show

    It was publicized heavily on the show? I must have missed this. Publicized that the winner would have an itunes pass? Was this on the finale show? Was it additional nights? I guess I’m just trying to figure out how I missed this.

  353. Truthiness
    11/14/2009 at 7:42 pm

    Kris’ numbers should be really good ‘“ the pass was made available while the iron was still hot ‘“ if it had not been available I think he would have been in trouble.

    I didn’t know that, and excellent point and probably a strategy they should do for all the idols they are going to sign. So that being said, what would be a good number for Kris? What does that look like?

    Adam’s number plus one would be great for Kris. Jordin’s number plus one would be good for Kris. Less than that is not good.

  354. I just figured out how the Chinese can buy Adam’s CD — heck, it’s not even available in this country yet, and they’re already panicking in China — they can just go to a Wal-Mart in China…and buy it!

    Maybe the Chinese are depressed because they’ve been reading all the posts here today LOL

  355. If they play FYI on HouseParty, how does that translate to spins-is it just one spin, even though all those stations carry the show? And I asked on another thread before I realized that the discussion was here: Why is it the “National Debut” when the song was already debuted on Ryan’s show?

  356. I cannot be happier than when I am listening to Adam and that ´s what I am doing!!!!! Nobody will ruin my fun ;-) It ´s my Master Plan!

  357. carmine2008- you got it right. I have been stationed in the Philippines for more than 2 months this year. Not many are interested in buying CDs, as their preference seems to be gathering the family at night and watch DVDs. Filipinos seem to go en masse, be it religious matters or simply going to arenas to watch concert or basketball games.

    Tess- I thought I have seen the worse effect of recession in other countries but I was wrong. It’s no better here in US. Unemployment numbers has increased, many lost their homes, kids moving back to their parents or parents living with kids, lots of stores and restaurant closed, baby boomers being forced to retire and started raiding their 401K and other symtoms of a bad economy. In short less disposable money.

    It is never my intention to sound depressing but this is reality and it is only appropriate not expect too much from the idols. They are talented but they are also in the wrong time to start an overnight success.

    I suggest we just relaxed and weather the storm . Apparently US has reached rock bottom and there is no other direction but to go up. It will be slower this time but there will be improvement. As things improve, the idols will hopefully have better chances of success.

  358. Why is it the ‘National Debut’  when the song was already debuted on Ryan’s show?

    Maybe they’re not playing FYE. Maybe they’re going to play WWFM.

  359. Maybe they’re not playing FYE. Maybe they’re going to play WWFM

    Someone asked them if that was the song on Twitter-no response. I would LOVE it if it was WWFM, or MP.

  360. I can’t help but think both Adam and Kris are doing as their labels expect

    Yes and no. I would guess that Kris went to Jive precisely because they expected him to start with a relatively small fanbase and that he would need to build an audience through the radio and his singles a la Jordin. That’s right in Jive’s wheelhouse. However they clearly had big expectations for Adam (witness various statements and press releases by 19E and Simon Fuller) and I seriously doubt anybody at RCA/19M is doing cartwheels over the sales numbers at this point. Not to say that things won’t work out just fine for him, it’s early days at this point for sure.

    It’s not like they haven’t handled tons of budding stars before them.

    Again, yes and no. AI contestants get signed precisely because they are AI contestants. As such, they’re expected to sell enough quickly to be profitable to their labels right off the bat, not be “typical” artists that are going to take time and money to develop. Historically, we’ve seen AI contestants that don’t deliver get dropped from the roster pretty quickly.

    As far as first week sales go, I had been thinking around 150k for FYE, but at this point given the pretty staggeringly low singles sales I’m thinking he’ll be lucky to break 100k.

  361. jms
    11/14/2009 at 8:19 pm
    Why is it the ‘National Debut’  when the song was already debuted on Ryan’s show?

    Open House Party is a nationally syndicated show. While Ryan’s show is also syndicated, they didn’t play FYE in the syndicated show. They did a brief snippet of it and of the interview with Adam, but that’s it. It’ll be FYE I imagine.

  362. Ok, now I am totally confused.

    With the itunes pass – LLWD did not count in the totals for the first week, but the album will right?

    And what about the AO deal – did FYE count in the totals for the first week, and what about the album.

  363. Today I played a few song samples for a co-worker. She loved MP, WWFM, and IIHU. She plans on buying them on itunes. She never warched idol. After she complimented me on my vast knowledge regarding each song’s writers, history, meaning, etc ( LOL) she then told me “When I hear a song I like, i buy it. I could care less who sings it.” This is probably not a unique statement, just real life.

  364. progression
    11/14/2009 at 8:25 pm
    I can’t help but think both Adam and Kris are doing as their labels expect

    Yes and no. I would guess that Kris went to Jive precisely because they expected him to start with a relatively small fanbase and that he would need to build an audience through the radio and his singles a la Jordin

    Why would they have expected Kris to have a small fanbase?? He won the fucking show. I don’t understand why that gets lost in these threads. He supposedly won by a landslide, didn’t he?? His post-AI sales have been higher than Adam’s and many people on this blog say he was close to or exceeded Adam’s sales during the season. I fully expect Kris to sell more than Adam. If he doesn’t, I won’t consider him a failure, but I will consider it very disappointing. Because to me, then, that shows that Kris didn’t win because he was the most popular, he won for other reasons. For all the media love that Adam has, one of the things the media has always acknowledged is that Adam may have the same issues selling that he did in not winning AI. I think that’s really valid, especially considering all the comments on other sites (non-moderated).

    People on this blog talk about all the hype around Adam. The key word is on this blog. Talk to people who don’t follow Adam on the internet and they have no idea. Some know about Details because they saw it on ET or Access Hollywood. The Adam storm was a storm for internet fans, it wasn’t even a raincloud for the outside world.

  365. luvadamlambert
    11/14/2009 at 8:28 pm

    I don’t hear openhouse party on 99.5(I think) it’s supposed to play there.HELP!!!!

    or is there another station it plays on?

    Here are the long list of stations FYE will be played on for Open House Party, a radio dance show:
    http://www.openhouseparty.com/stations.html

    I just called their request line 800-669-1010.. got through and requested FYE!

  366. Oh, I hope I didn’t miss it. I just had on KISS 108 in Boston, and turned it off, but going to put it back on…

    Not now, it’s a remix of Ice, Ice Baby, lol

    It’s got to be FYE, the single, and dancey…(pretty please play it)–these are all remixes, BTW…same dance beat, for a club…

    I just got through, too. WOOT WOOT!!!

  367. spring2009
    11/14/2009 at 8:28 pm
    Ok, now I am totally confused.

    With the itunes pass ‘“ LLWD did not count in the totals for the first week, but the album will right?

    And what about the AO deal ‘“ did FYE count in the totals for the first week, and what about the album.

    I don’t know about LLWD, don’t follow it. With the AO deluxe album sales, the FYE downloads that were obtained from buying the collector’s edition did not count as far as we know. They were listed as a free download on the invoice and there was not a separate billing for it. The album sales will count, but not until the album ships. That’s how all preorders work. They will count towards the first week sales.

  368. Here are the long list of stations FYE will be played on for Open House Party, a radio dance show:
    http://www.openhouseparty.com/stations.html

    So here’s a probably stupid question: Will each of those stations count as separate spins, or will it count as one spin since it’s syndicated?

  369. CindyM, I did get the Kris pass, and I think it’s the same with LLWD. And FYE is both on iTunes and AO/Sony. (DAMMIT, if I miss the dance party…)

    Good question, Teri63. I wondered that, too, about Slacker Radio and AOL Radio….

  370. Teri63
    11/14/2009 at 8:37 pm
    Here are the long list of stations FYE will be played on for Open House Party, a radio dance show:
    http://www.openhouseparty.com/stations.html

    So here’s a probably stupid question: Will each of those stations count as separate spins, or will it count as one spin since it’s syndicated?

    I believe one spin, but it may affect audience impression numbers, I’m not sure.

  371. Kelly has been picked by EW as one of their dream hosts for Saturday Night Live.

    Kelly Clarkson should host. She’s proven her ability to be funny and candid in her interviews, why not try her hand in scripted comedy?

    http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20319828_16,00.html

  372. dv
    11/14/2009 at 8:40 pm
    Kelly has been picked by EW as one of their dream hosts for Saturday Night Live.

    Kelly Clarkson should host. She’s proven her ability to be funny and candid in her interviews, why not try her hand in scripted comedy?

    http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20319828_16,00.html

    Woohoo, that’s two idols on the list because they picked Adam too! Way to represent, American Idol!!!

    http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20319828_13,00.html

  373. No OHP will not count as one spin. Every radio station that plays FYE will count it separately. So FYE should show a nice spin increase tomorrow. Adam’s fans should follow up the debut and request the song again immediately. That second spin will really help the song on the charts.

    Calling in requests to OHP is one of the best ways fans can really help a song. Just wait until it’s officially played on the show.

  374. Valentin432- Adam is ranked at 112 in bestseller overall. This is pretty good considering he has compete with very popular Japenese singers. Japan is a big market.

    China has a population of 1.3 billion. Given their huge trade surplus with US, this country is a huge potential market. And Walmart (China) is a good outlet to consider.

  375. I believe one spin, but it may affect audience impression numbers, I’m not sure

    Thanks, CindyM, that would make sense.

  376. jpfan
    11/14/2009 at 8:43 pm
    No they will not count as one spin. Every radio station that plays FYE will count it separately. So FYE should show a nice spin increase tomorrow. Adam’s fans should follow up the debut and request the song again immediately. That second spin will really help the song on the charts.

    Thanks JPFan, I appreciate your knowledge on the mediabase info.

  377. I have totally diff music on KISS 108 FM, so maybe they aren’t playing HP…I am confused…

    Maybe Kelly and Adam can co-host SNL and also swap musical numbers….

    BTW, PRO FM, which officially added FYE last week, has told me 3 times they would play FYE (also twice on Mix 104.1). Nada. :(

  378. Requesting on OHP is a good way for fans to help not hurt the song on radio. The show only plays requests. :)

  379. Yes and no. I would guess that Kris went to Jive precisely because they expected him to start with a relatively small fanbase and that he would need to build an audience through the radio and his singles a la Jordin

    First off, I agree with the point of why would he be expected to have a small fanbase when he won, supposedly in a landslide. Secondly, even if that was true, than Kris should be expected to get what, Jordin numbers of sales in his first week? And Jordin is a singles queen, I know that Tattoo started slow, so where is LLWD to Tattoo? What are the expectations there?

    Again, yes and no. AI contestants get signed precisely because they are AI contestants. As such, they’re expected to sell enough quickly to be profitable to their labels right off the bat, not be ‘typical’  artists that are going to take time and money to develop. Historically, we’ve seen AI contestants that don’t deliver get dropped from the roster pretty quickly.

    As far as first week sales go, I had been thinking around 150k for FYE, but at this point given the pretty staggeringly low singles sales I’m thinking he’ll be lucky to break 100k.

    I would agree with all of that. But I disagree that there are so many lower expectations for Kris. As you say, Idols are expected to do fairly well pretty immediately and while 119K in the first week was disappointing for Jordin, it did go on to become gold, IIRC. And of course had a lot of singles from it that sold well. Even Tattoo eventually did. So should Kris be expected to do at least 119K? or does he get lower because of the economy, and if so, what is the expectation for him? Yes, Jive seems to be willing to give more time than RCA does, but even they will probably have some pretty immediate expecations for Kris as well.

  380. jpfan
    11/14/2009 at 8:43 pm
    No they will not count as one spin. Every radio station that plays FYE will count it separately. So FYE should show a nice spin increase tomorrow. Adam’s fans should follow up the debut and request the song again immediately. That second spin will really help the song on the charts.

    Thanks JPFan, I appreciate your knowledge on the mediabase info.

    Thanks to all of you who share your knowledge about industry-related topics. This is all new to me, but really interesting to learn about.

  381. I fully expect Kris to sell more than Adam. If he doesn’t, I won’t consider him a failure, but I will consider it very disappointing. Because to me, then, that shows that Kris didn’t win because he was the most popular, he won for other reasons.

    Why do they have to be compared? Their music couldn’t be more different. I think Kris is more HAC and Adam CHR, especially with LLWD/FYE…

  382. Just got home from seeing 2012. All three early shows were sold out (showing on 3 theaters at a 12 plex). TFM sounded glorious in the theater and about 30-35 people were still there after the song ended. Most of those people got up and left after the song ended so I knew I had some Adam stans in my vicinity. One family in front of me, a 12 year old told her dad she wanted to stay to hear Adam’s song.. It was cute. What was cuter?? The dad who had his feet up on the seat in front of him started bopping his feet and head to the music. When they got up, he said that was good!!

  383. Everything I know about radio and charts, I learned by following Elliott’s first single Wait For You move up the charts. It’s not that complicated but you have to like numbers (not everyone’s thing.) If you’re into radio info just register at allaccess.com. It’s free and you’ll get all the radio info you need.

    I’m guessing there are people at Adam’s fan boards that already know all this stuff. It’s pretty easy to pick up.

  384. suebrody
    11/14/2009 at 8:49 pm
    I fully expect Kris to sell more than Adam. If he doesn’t, I won’t consider him a failure, but I will consider it very disappointing. Because to me, then, that shows that Kris didn’t win because he was the most popular, he won for other reasons.

    Why do they have to be compared? Their music couldn’t be different. I think Kris is more HAC and Adam CHR, especially with LLWD/FYE’ ¦

    Sue, have you read this thread at all?? I compared them because that seems to have been of of the topics of the day, the differences in expectations for Adam and Kris. If you haven’t read, you can go back 10 or so pages and start there. I agree they are in different markets, but this is an Idol blog, so this stuff occurs. It’s my first year following AI like this, so while it is mystifying in many respects, I just follow the conversation as it goes along.

  385. But you have to like numbers (not everyone’s thing.)

    I might like ’em if I understood ’em! LOL! I have to rely on others to paint pictures for me, so I appreciate those who take the time to do so.

  386. TFM sounded glorious in the theater and about 30-35 people were still there after the song ended.

    Sweet! Everyone still makes fun of me when I mention Adam. Sigh. My friend bailed on me for tomorrow, so I guess we will go next week, while, as I think SusanM, no one will be at b/c they will be at freaking New Moon. At least they didn’t both open on the same weekend.

    Man, they are playing GaGa. More ppl call and request FYE. I don’t want to hear GaGa every five minutes, or BEP, for that matter.

    ETA: Thanks, CindyM. I guess I want them to do equally well, but in different markets. I think Adam will get the push from his Tour, like GaGa has. But I have never followed Idols or anything like this, so I just do not have a clue, I will admit it.

  387. I just figured out how the Chinese can buy Adam’s CD ‘” heck, it’s not even available in this country yet, and they’re already panicking in China ‘” they can just go to a Wal-Mart in China’ ¦and buy it!

    Maybe the Chinese are depressed because they’ve been reading all the posts here today LOL

    I don’t think there is any real panicking by the Chinese. Incidentally in China they mostly sell pirated copies and very little money goes to the artist. See USA Today article here.

    As soon as a CD is made, the pirates are on the street, offering them for a fraction of the retail price. Stores sell pirate copies. Legitimate CDs all but vanish.

    Chinese consumers have come to believe that music is worth, at most, a few cents a song, and that copying and sharing music are totally acceptable. In all probability, no company will ever be able to sell $15 CDs or 99 cents-a-song downloads in the world’s most populous nation.

    The result is that Google offers free musical downloads in China just to get people to use their search engine.

  388. OMG, they ARE PLAYING WWFM!! OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

    YAY!!!! And he sounds GREAT!!!!

  389. Yayyyyyyy!!!!! It’s WYWFM! How awesome is it to hear that on the radio?!!

  390. Yep- my daughter just told me her friend just texted her to tell her Adam was on the radio!. YAY! Adam!

  391. (‘ Nobody does it better. Makes me feel sad for the rain’  ‘“ come on everybody, let’s karaoke).

    Are we supposed to do it with misheard lyrics then? In which case – “When I’m not with you I lose my mind, give me a sign, hit me baby from behind.”

  392. Oops. Request WWFM, I guess. Mmm. I wonder if they’re going with a different single. Interesting.

  393. I said this should be the first single, AHEM AHEM 8)

    AND IT SOUNDS MIGHTY FINE, I MIGHT ADD.

    *flailing*

  394. Is OHP simply playing FYE — or are they interviewing Adam as well? I ask because they interviewed Kris and played LLWD a few weeks back when they played LLWD for the first time on that show. I remember because I sat through HOURS of OHP before they finally aired the (recorded, very short and dumb) interview and played the song.

  395. Just the song, and I requested FYE. lol

    John Garabedian used to be a djay in Boston. lol

  396. Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this, so I’ll throw it out there…I saw my first tv promo for the AMA’s tonight during the Iowa/Ohio State football game. It was a splashy ad (really eye catching) and they said “featuring Adam Lambert” as one of the performers! They showed pics briefly of maybe 6-8 others. Since I know there are about 18 performers, I thought that was really cool that he was included in the short list! Made me excited for the show.

  397. I had requested FYE too. Didn’t even know this song was released as a single yet.

  398. That is very unusual. Why would they give up all those FYE spins unless they’re going with another single. Very, very odd.

  399. Neil likes it

    negativeneil

    Second listen to Adam’s album: prepare to have your asses blown out. Seriously.

  400. Oh, want Adam’s song to come on again, what is this that we are listening to now? Yikes!

  401. I was reading here when Adam came on Open House Party. My heart almost stopped. It sounded so good to hear him there. Perfect song for that format. Hell, perfect song period!!!!

  402. And Jordin is a singles queen, I know that Tattoo started slow, so where is LLWD to Tattoo? What are the expectations there?</cite

    Tattoo was already in heavy rotationo on CHR by the time Jordin's album dropped. Tattoo's first week downloads were 33,764 in early October 2007. These were Tattoo's download numbers when her (119K sold)album dropped in November:

    12 8 Sparks*Jordin Tattoo 77247 55 49845 372198

    103 ALLEN*KRIS LIVE LIKE WE’RE DYING 14754 41 10444 98151 <– last week's numbers

    Cleary, there is no mathematical way that LLWD can make up that deficit by next week and catch Tattoo.

  403. I heard that the AMA promo played during FlashForward, but I haven’t watched it yet.

    Should we call and request FYE or just go with WYWFM? Bizarre. But I do think that WYWFM has a better shot (for one thing, Pink wrote it and Pink is HUGE right now, all over HAC stations).

  404. maybe he is releasing multiple singles at once – that would be different

  405. squirrely, apparently Cook did that with CBTM and Bar-ba-sol, and Bar-ba-sol tanked. But they do hit different markets, FYE for CHR and WYWFM for HAC, so maybe that is why that has been downloaded, but has not received adds. Yet.

    I am confused. Should I call my local station and request WYWFM? I don’t know…

  406. what the helllll.I’ve been listening to 99.5(one of the stations listed) but it never played.I’m so friggin mad.gnight peeps D;

  407. That is very unusual. Why would they give up all those FYE spins unless they’re going with another single. Very, very odd.

    It was very odd when they had on his site that WWFM was the single and had it for download, now this really adds the question mark.
    Maybe they noticed FYE isn’t really moving on the charts and maybe they have more info about the song and decided to go with another single? I just can’t imagine them promoting two singles at the same time or the same radio format (CHR in this case) playing two new Adam songs.
    I think WWFM is a much better song and way more radio friendly, so if they’re going with it for a single I say Yay! lol It’s a lot lot better.
    But yeah, this is weird lol

  408. Okay, so do ALL of you live in the Boston area???? LOL
    I admit, I’m just jealous because still nothing here in DC!! :(

  409. edit: NO street teaming or talk of calling radio stations please. Keep that on your fansites

  410. Some stations play OHP on Saturday, some play it Sunday. And some play it both nights. It’s two different shows though. Sunday night doesn’t repeat Saturday’s songs. I think fans can request both FYE and WWFM. Why not? You can request anything you want.

    I had my gutful of the show during WFY days. The songs played are pretty heinous.

  411. Boston has played FYE, but not a lot. I have only heard it on AOL Radio. I am listening to this other station on OHP, b/c apparently not playing here.

    Oh, no, Baby Got Back. Srsly???

    I wonder what would happen if I requested TfM? (KIDDING)

    BTW, I only started listening to AT 40 this past summer. And it still sucks, as I remembered it did. And this OHP sucks, too.

  412. Squirrely
    11/14/2009 at 9:07 pm

    maybe he is releasing multiple singles at once ‘“ that would be different

    LOL! One of my favorite David Cook quotes goes something like, “If it were up to me, I’d throw them all out there and see what sticks.” I have to think had he been able to do so, he’d have found stickiness with a few of the songs that aren’t what the label decided to release. He did fine in spite of the label’s missteps.

  413. dcglam- No- Open House Party is on different stations that syndicate it all over the country. Someone upthread had the list of which stations played it.

  414. Wait a minute, they played Whataya Want From Me, but they said they were going to play a NEW Adam song before the show started. Aren’t the majority of the songs played based on requests they receive tonight???

    This was tweeted by them prior to the show even starting:

    Oh yeah, Idol fans…tonight national radio debut of new Adam Lambert song! Open House Party rocks. about 2 hours ago from Twitterrific

    So does that mean it was a planned thing, like LLWD, not based on requests?? I assumed because it was syndicated, but maybe not.

  415. oh wow, they played WWFM? That’s amazing! Although a little odd, unless (a) RCA is releasign it as a 2nd single pretty quickly; (b) they’ve dropped FYE as the single (which would be awfully fast); (c) OHP just decided to play a difficult album cut (are they allowed to do that before the album drops, if RCA doesn’t give them permission?

    Still, yay Adam! Sucks that I couldn’t hear it (I’m at work)

  416. dcglam
    11/14/2009 at 9:11 pm
    Okay, so do ALL of you live in the Boston area???? LOL
    I admit, I’m just jealous because still nothing here in DC!!

    You can also access OHP online here.. http://www.q923.net/home.php

  417. CindyM:

    Why would they have expected Kris to have a small fanbase?? He won the fucking show. I don’t understand why that gets lost in these threads. He supposedly won by a landslide, didn’t he??

    I’ve said in the past that I believe Kris possibly won by more casual votes. There is a difference between the AI casual viewer/voter and those that are considered more hard core, following their fave after the show. Both David’s had a hard core fan base last year (I compare because last year was the first time I ever watched an entire season and then followed after the show) and imo, Adam has a bigger one than Kris. So to me this explains why there is currently a smaller fan base for Kris. I could be wrong though.

  418. Okay, so do ALL of you live in the Boston area???? LOL
    I admit, I’m just jealous because still nothing here in DC!!

    I’m in the Chicago area, but I accessed a link someone posted on this site, so I have no idea where the station I’m listening to originates from. It’s Q92.3, Cumulus Internet Radio, whatever that means! I listen daily to 103.5 here (KissFM), but I haven’t heard FYE once. I hear LLWD quite a bit lately while flipping stations, but, sadly, no Adam.

  419. dcglam- No- Open House Party is on different stations that syndicate it all over the country. Someone upthread had the list of which stations played it.

    but hot 99.5(the d.c. station) didn’t play it!!!! D:

    I’m so f$&king depressed….

  420. edit: DIAL IT BACK

    Just because things have been done a certain way in the past does not obligate the record companies into doing stuff the same old tired way. Come on, the David’s left the starting gate with firecrackers on their shoes but weren’t able to sustain that momentum over the long haul. In fact their early successes did not equate to continually big numbers for their subsequent releases…and both Davids have had to work long and hard to keep their image in the public eye and to sustain their fandom.

    Maybe Jive and RCA are looking to do things a bit differently this time. To build slowly and treat their Artists like new artists and not like reality show “winners” who just get flung out onto the music scene to see what sticks. But then, it is often difficult for people to embrace new ideas and new methods….it is so much easier to use the comparison method because thinking outside of the box takes some effort and some imagination…and as we all know, technology has killed imagine and the ability for people to reason. Sad.

  421. Interesting.

    Mediabase already has an entry for “What Do You Want for Me”, but not for “Master Plan”. Maybe they didn’t get the response they wanted for FYE. No sense wasting the promo period if they don’t think the song is going to work. I think that’s unlikely though. Maybe WDYFM will just be the second song that he sings on shows. Or maybe it was rated really well. IDK.

  422. My only question is why WYWFM got played and not FYE, when it’s a dance show? Oddness…

    Kirsten, IDK, but WYWFM is on the album and MP is a bonus track. I have the feeling that FYE is getting mediocre reviews (I mean, even RS, which thinks Adam is the next coming, didn’t love FYE). Just a hunch.

  423. My only question is why WYWFM got played and not FYE, when it’s a dance show? Oddness’ ¦

    my question is why didn’t it play on the d.c. station??!!

    sorry,ill leave now.

    sooo pissed off

  424. mama2dasha
    11/14/2009 at 9:27 pm
    Mediabase now has WWFM on their list of Adam’s songs. It wasn’t there before

    You mean instead of fye?

  425. Kirsten
    11/14/2009 at 9:26 pm
    Interesting.

    Mediabase already has an entry for ‘What Do You Want for Me’ , but not for ‘Master Plan’ . Maybe they didn’t get the response they wanted for FYE.

    Response to what?? The initial sales to a core fan base?? The radio promo hasn’t even started yet. I could see if he had been doing the promo that Kris has been doing, radio interviews, jingle balls etc. Adam has done zero so far. Isn’t that what you guys have been saying needs to be done? He’s still singing it for the AMA’s and has a music video shoot for it this weekend with a highly sought-after video director. I don’t think they’re giving up on the single. I don’t see signs that point to that at all. I do see signs that maybe they’re trying to sell more collector’s edition albums though to get the song early.

  426. My only question is why WYWFM got played and not FYE, when it’s a dance show? Oddness’ ¦

    Very odd, but really exciting! I love FYE. I think it’s really fun. But I absolutely LOVE WWFM. It showcases his voice, has amazing lyrics, and still sounds very contemporary.

  427. imo, Adam has a bigger one than Kris. So to me this explains why there is currently a smaller fan base for Kris. I could be wrong though.

    And I’m happy that Kris won, even though I’m an Adam fan. But, some of Adam’s votes in the finale never got registered, because people who were trying to vote for Adam — like me, for instance — couldn’t get through because of the busy signal, and gave up and went to bed — like me, for instance.

  428. Now we have to wonder which song Adam will be performing at the AMAs. FYE or WWFM??

  429. Looks like Adam is getting a Carrie album roll-out. Release a new song every week until the album drops. YAY Adam!

  430. I keep hearing here (and actually only here) that Kris Allen ‘won by a landslide.’  That confuses me because I’ve never seen anywhere that the voting was reported. Correct me if I’m wrong, but did they even give the totals? I think the speculation is that he must have because they didn’t give percentages, but my thinking is that it would be just as likely that they didn’t give totals because it was so close (see season 2). Last season we had total # of votes and percentages. We also had Nigel (I believe it was) saying he wasn’t surprised at all, having seen the voting all season.

    This year, unless I missed it, and I could have totally missed it because I don’t follow very closely, we’ve had nothing official.

    Please, correct me if I’m wrong. Thanks!

  431. I’ve said in the past that I believe Kris possibly won by more casual votes. There is a difference between the AI casual viewer/voter and those that are considered more hard core, following their fave after the show.

    Sorry, but there’s no proof of that and my assumption that he had more fans is just as valid. Internet fans are a small portion of the record buying public. Therefore, outside of the internet fans, based on the show results, I believe that Kris had more fans because he won the show. The fact that he got the majority of votes can’t be disputed. The rest is all conjecture. I think your approach though, is a way to reduce his expectations, however, which I think is completely wrong since he’s the American Idol winner.

  432. Very odd, but really exciting! I love FYE. I think it’s really fun. But I absolutely LOVE WWFM. It showcases his voice, has amazing lyrics, and still sounds very contemporary.

    THIS

  433. Come on, the David’s left the starting gate with firecrackers on their shoes but weren’t able to sustain that momentum over the long haul. In fact their early successes did not equate to continually big numbers for their subsequent releases’ ¦and both Davids have had to work long and hard to keep their image in the public eye and to sustain their fandom.

    LOL . . . what?

    Cook has had one record released, the one year anniversary is coming up *this month* . And did it mighty proud. So in (slightly less then) one year, doing very well, successful tour extended three times…

    I’m missing how could he have lost momentum over the “long haul”? The long haul of . . . a good first year and starting now on his 2nd album?

    A level many artists this year (not just Idol) are struggling to meet. It’s a lil weird to declare his later releases won’t meet that standard. . . half a year before it’s released?

    As for working long and heard to sustain his audience, well, yeah. He started by saying he would do that, has done that. I don’t think Cook fans think working hard for your props is like, some sort of denigration.

    I’m far from saying this success of his first record guarantees the success of the second. But given how his numbers are most likely going to stack up against this year’s folks, think I’ll give him till, oh, 18 months or so…maybe let that second album come out before we declare lost momentum or what evs.

  434. Since WYWFM is available as an immediate download IF you purchase the deluxe CD on Adam’s official site, it appears to me to be a promotional tool to try to boost CD sales.

  435. This just doesn’t make sense- they already have TFM and FYE out. Why would they release yet another one off the album without the first two getting promotion (yet)?

    Could it be they’re just throwing out a few tidbits to get people psyched about the album ( There is, after all, about 17 songs now, right?)

  436. But the video was planned and sounds like it took place, for FYE and that AMA performance is supposed to be the performance debut of FYE. So why do that? And have a separate single…

    And okay, so FYE might not have (didn’t) get the sales expected, and it’s radio play has been anemic, but to pull the plug on it this fast after not doing any real promo for it, with the promo stuff planned for 11/22 on…

    I’m just not getting it. I think that would be a really odd thing to do.

  437. madefourbabies
    11/14/2009 at 9:34 pm
    Now we have to wonder which song Adam will be performing at the AMAs. FYE or WWFM??

    It’s FYE. There’s no way they’ll do anything else. Especially since they’ve already started preproduction for the video and the location is exactly what Adam described for the feel of FYE in Rolling Stone.

    It does remind me of Carrie’s rollout for some reason. She’s got Cowboy Casanova and the new song out at the same time. Interesting.

  438. NGL I gave up of trying to guess what are the labels plans. Its like trying to figure out if the pilot in a commercial flight is doing his job correctly, I dont have and cant have enough information, so why not be less of a control freak and enjoy the ride.They are investing in adam and kris and they know a lot more than me about marketing and radio, so there you go! Thats all I need to know.

  439. Awesome that WYWFM got played and has a mediabase entry – maybe focus group decided it was hot?

    Tess, thank u 4 the rational post. I have nothing invested in previous seasons so the comparisons mean squat to me. I’m inclined to think that RCA and Jive both know what they’re doing and don’t see the gloom and doom. its going to be an exciting few weeks.

    Saw 2012 last night – it was on 3 screens in my theater and sold out. Adam sounded incredible in dolby surround sound and about 20 of us stayed through the full credits. (i didn’t just want to hear it, I wanted to see his name onscreen!) I enjoyed the movie in all its cheesetastic glory, too.

  440. Since WYWFM is available as a download on IF you purchase the deluxe CD on Adam’s official site, it appears to me to be a promotional tool to try to boost CD sales.

    No, WDYWFM is on the regular album, so available on all versions. Master Plan is a bonus on AO and iTunes.

  441. Response to what??

    Most things radio related don’t happen in public eye, but behind the scenes. The song has been out for a good enough time for radio to know how the audience responds to it.

    But honestly, this is just odd. It’s not exactly a Carrie situation. In her case the songs were being released for sale, but that was it. No raido airplay.

  442. I’m far from saying this success of his first record guarantees the success of the second. But given how his numbers are most likely going to stack up against this year’s folks, think I’ll give him till, oh, 18 months or so’ ¦maybe let that second album come out before we declare lost momentum or what evs.

    Yeah, I agree. Just like I agree let the first albums of this season’s idol contestants come out and have some time before declaring their careers dead.

  443. No, WDYWFM is on the regular album, so available on all versions. Master Plan is a bonus on AO and iTunes.

    Sorry…I should have said you can immediately download the single if you purchase the CD….

  444. leome
    11/14/2009 at 9:42 pm
    Response to what??

    Most things radio related don’t happen in public eye, but behind the scenes. The song has been out for a good enough time for radio to know how the audience responds to it.

    It’s been out 2 weeks. It’s spins have doubled from the first week. Sorry, don’t buy it.

  445. I don’t care what RCA is doing regarding releasing multiple singles. Maybe to create more buzz for the album, maybe because FYE isn’t going anywhere. Who knows. It seems odd they would give up on a song after a week or two though. It doesn’t seem like a really long time to know if a song will become popular or not. It’s like Adam said regarding the fan boards….sometimes we don’t know what we are talking about. LOL I honestly don’t worry about Adam. I’m sure RCA has a plan that we aren’t in on. I will say there is too much negativity on here sometimes. One day everyone is up, and the next, everyone is down. Have a little faith!!

  446. Yep, I am thinking a double roll-out, CHR/HAC. FYE at AMAs, BUT FYE *and* WYWFM at the GMA. And that makes sense. IDK, but WYWFM just sounds more like it would work on Letterman and Oprah, maybe Ellen. JMHO.

  447. Thanks for all the info, Studio57, jun, and Teri63!
    Hey luv, you and I can commiserate together……. :(

  448. The comparisons are valid no matter what ‘strategery’ the record labels are supposed to have (I’ve seen this movie before and it didn’t end well, so pardon me if I’m not on board with the idea that they have some brilliant master plan). The comparisons are valid because they measure the number of people who are committed to supporting their favorite when the show ends.

    I’ve been watching since 2004 and this is the lowest level of fan interest I’ve ever seen for the winner and runner-up. To point that out is not being unimaginative (due to those pesky kids and their dang technology!).

    It’s just facing the facts.

    I love Kris. I wish he were doing better. But sticking my head in the sand won’t make things any different. He’s struggling right now, as is Adam. This is different from any year I’ve ever seen.

    Whether the record labels can make lemonade out of lemons remains to be seen.

  449. Reminder:

    Wow. Reading some stuff. Why so angry peeps? Dial it BACK please. It’s just a TV show, remember?

  450. All I can say is that for someone for whom diversity is a claim to fame, it kind of makes sense to give the general public yet another taste of what Adam has to offer. Think about it: Within just a few weeks, Adam has released a classic rock ballad, a disco dance tune and — how would you classify WWFM?–an adult contemporary pop song? Who really knows what their plan is, but it’s sure interesting!

  451. suebrody
    11/14/2009 at 9:45 pm
    Yep, I am thinking a double roll-out, CHR/HAC. FYE at AMAs, BUT FYE *and* WYWFM at the GMA. And that makes sense. IDK, but WYWFM just sounds more like it would work on Letterman and Oprah, maybe Ellen. JMHO.

    LOL Sue, it’s the Oprah single. Who knows, I’m not going to second guess RCA. Personally, nothing they’ve done regarding Adam’s rollout has been typical Idol behavior, so I’m okay with it. It kind of reminds me of what’s happening with Rhianna, who’s releasing the same day. Her Russian Roulette hasn’t been out that long, yet there’s another single already out. She’s just debuting the video this week, so they’ve obviously not given up on the single. Maybe it’s a new strategy.

  452. Come on, the David’s left the starting gate with firecrackers on their shoes but weren’t able to sustain that momentum over the long haul. In fact their early successes did not equate to continually big numbers for their subsequent releases’ ¦and both Davids have had to work long and hard to keep their image in the public eye and to sustain their fandom.

    LOL . . . what?

    Cook has had one record released, the one year anniversary is coming up *this month* . And did it mighty proud. So in (slightly less then) one year, doing very well, successful tour extended three times’ ¦

    Gotta agree on not getting that. David C’s album is a platinum seller, yes? And David A’s is gold, yes? And didn’t David C set a Guinesss World record for having like the most singles Billboards Top 100, or something. Know he’s in there for his music, is my point. And he’s wrapping up a pretty good tour. He was part of the TII red carpet show recently, ‘even after all this time,’ and his responses were aired on the entertainment shows. Who knows if he can duplicate his first record’s numbers, but those were good numbers and he did well with his singles. I mean he wasn’t Jordin Sparks levels of good with his singles, but he was good. Adam and Kris will lucky if they are sitting as pretty this time next year, as David C is.

    And while David A. didn’t do DC’s levels, Crush still sold VERY well and his album did well overall. And he seems to be getting okay sales for his xmas album, which will probably increase after Thanksgiving. And he too is working on another album, so his label kept him on and is supporting him.

  453. Why can’t there be more than one single released at a time?

    I agree. Beyonce released 2 singles at a time with this current album. In addition, Rhianna just released a new single. Artists do it all the time. I don’t see why this needs to be overanalyzed.

    I’m assuming Adam is still performing FYE at the AMA’s though. At least that is how its being advertised.

  454. Yeah, Rhianna and Carrie. Interesting. I am just happy to hear Adam’s music. I am not going to guess what RCA is doing. I work in Higher Education, not in the music industry. :)

  455. Regarding Adam at the AMA, definitly has to be FYE!

    Totally in agreement here. I am sooooooo looking forward to seeing him perform FYE. It has to be AWESOME!!!!

  456. Carrie had 3 additional songs besides her single out leading up to her release and you had to download them off iTunes. Her album dropped on 11/3 and 10/13 they started what was called the iTunes Countdown.

  457. But honestly, this is just odd. It’s not exactly a Carrie situation. In her case the songs were being released for sale, but that was it. No raido airplay.

    Exactly, Carrie wasn’t releasing multiple singles, itunes was just releasing three of the songs from the album early. Itunes actually has done this several times, I think with Taylor Swift also. I don’t understand releasing a second song to radio though. Carrie’s roll out didn’t hurt Cowboy Casanova (although the label did other things to hurt it), this will just take away badly needed spins from FYE. I think maybe they will just play FYE later in the show, and this was just some kind of deal the label did to get a couple songs out there.

  458. It kind of reminds me of what’s happening with Rhianna, who’s releasing the same day. Her Russian Roulette hasn’t been out that long, yet there’s another single already out. She’s just debuting the video this week, so they’ve obviously not given up on the single. Maybe it’s a new strategy.

    Yup!! Me too!

  459. Kris’ single has moved up 17 spots overall since his appearance on The Tonight Show last night. I don’t know if the jump can be attributed solely to that (I would throw in the radio play and the fact his video has been on both MTV and VH1 today) but hopefully that is at least some indicator of how he, Adam and Allison might be able to receive boosts from their upcoming national tv appearances

    Did LLWD move up any last night? I ask this because I want to know what effect appearing on certain shows might actually have on iTunes sales?

    From last season, what shows seemed to have a positive reaction on sales? I would think something like the GMA concert would have more impact than a late night show. We know singing on Oprah can be huge, and I suspect an awards show performance might give a nice boost.

    But, what about daytime/nighttime talk shows? Does anyone remember from the two Davids last year? Did anyone check on LLWD last night?

  460. I actually like FYE better than WDYWFM…but what ever cooks your goose.

  461. Also – my daughter is home from college with the flu. She didn’t even know Adam had a song out yet. Real life moves much differently than on here.

  462. BTW, for anyone interested in that sort of thing, the cellcast for David Cook’s show tonight is actually really clear for now… could hear the banter (he was bantering about telling your chair goodbye again, heh). It’s only *slightly* underwater for the moment.

  463. suebrody
    11/14/2009 at 9:45 pm

    Yep, I am thinking a double roll-out, CHR/HAC. FYE at AMAs, BUT FYE *and* WYWFM at the GMA. And that makes sense. IDK, but WYWFM just sounds more like it would work on Letterman and Oprah, maybe Ellen. JMHO.

    That’s a really good point! I could totally see a video and huge, glitzy on-stage performance such as at the AMAs working better with FYE, but WWFM might work better on the talk shows. I remember everyone was sort of nervously chuckling at how FYE would go over should Adam be asked back on Oprah. This certainly solves that potential problem!

  464. I actually like FYE better than WDYWFM’ ¦but what ever cooks your goose.

    How do you like that? I compared an Idol song to that same Idols other song….
    Enough of this comparing one idol to another idol – no matter what season they were in…it’s like beating a very dead horse.

  465. But honestly, this is just odd. It’s not exactly a Carrie situation. In her case the songs were being released for sale, but that was it. No raido airplay.

    Maybe they don’t care about the singles and are trying to push the album.

  466. I always think about how Cook had exactly TWO songs released in one year (not counting Bar-ba-sol or coronation song ToML), LO and CBTM. There’s slow burn and then is NO burn. I always wondered why we didn’t get Avalanche or Lie…again, not like I need to figure it out, but there were 14 songs to pick from and they released two that sound very similar and are not the strongest tracks on the album. Not saying they will do that to Adam at all, it just seemed strange to me.

    Playing FYE later on OHP makes sense, since I cannot believe many people requested WYWFM, whereas ppl did request FYE.

    Not complaining, really, not at all. It’s just curious.

  467. So are we going to be able to hear Adam again tonight on OHP? Am I safe to turn the radio off?

  468. It is very risky to release two songs to radio for new artist. TBH i thought that TFM early release was mistake too.

  469. Maybe they don’t care about the singles

    If they care about the album they have to care about how the singles do on radio. Sure there are artists who can release two songs at the same time, but usually they go to different formats. These two Adam songs are aimed to the same format, CHR. Spins for one mean less spins for the other, so I just don’t see it as a good idea, it hurts the songs.
    Btw, I’m not sure I count HAC as a different thing than CHR. They are different formats, but not in the sense of playing that different pop music.. I don’t think artists release different songs to HAC and CHR, but I could be wrong.
    Maybe like someone said they will play FYE later and this was just a little Adam preview? But Adam’s site also calls both the single.

  470. Now we have to wonder which song Adam will be performing at the AMAs. FYE or WWFM??

    Oh, man – I hope he performs FYE! IDK – I’m all confused now – with all this talk of WWFM being a second single? I guess it was heard on a radio show (just rushing to catch up on the thread). I like both, and admit that WWFM is very catchy (I had it in my head all night after hearing it), but I actually like FYE more. Then again, I prefer that kind of music more anyways.

    But it’s interesting to note that maybe general fan response may be higher for WWFM. I can see it being a safer song to release.

  471. koka- technically they didn’t release TFM. It was just part of a movie. there was no debut or official adds.

  472. k0ka
    11/14/2009 at 9:59 pm
    It is very risky to release two songs to radio for new artist. TBH i thought that TFM early release was mistake too.

    They didn’t release TFM to radio. It never had an add date.

  473. I have a theory with absolutely nothing to back it up that the reason they have released 3 songs for “free” download with the purchase of the CE album is to demonstrate the different sounds the album will have and keep album sales moving along until Nov 23. I think RCA is focused on selling albums instead of singles.

    My theory is that people aren’t buying FYE, the single, because they are getting it for “free” when they buy the album. I think Adam will hit BIG with album sales in his first week and all questions will be answered. If I am right single sales should increase after the album is released and he starts doing all of the promotional stuff that will get the attention of non-Idol fans.

    Now, excuse me while I sit back and cross all of my fingers and toes and wait anxiosly to be proven right.

  474. Should we call and request FYE or just go with WYWFM? Bizarre. But I do think that WYWFM has a better shot (for one thing, Pink wrote it and Pink is HUGE right now, all over HAC stations).

    I don’t know if RCA is considering a new single, but if they have, then they have definitely learned their lesson from Cook. It is pointless to make an artist stick with a mediocre single for 5-6 months when they have potentially better songs on their album. Even if the artist comes from a reality show with a huge fanbase.

    I just listened to those two bonus songs and they are very good…especially Master Plan. Both would fit in well on top 40 and the second one would be a standout, because it sounds very different to the other songs. The fact that RCA went with FYE over those two songs amazes me, but after witnessing the singles choices they had for Cook, I shouldn’t be surprised.

    Of course, RCA can continue to be stubborn and put all of their money into a lady Gaga-esque debut on AMAs and assume that Adam will win people over with a ton of visual antics and hot dancers. However, if that doesn’t work, then they will be stuck with a boring Britney wannabe song (which generally only Britney can magically pull off). Or they can pick a much better song that actually doesn’t sound like a copycat of another song and actually does show off Adam’s strengths. Which will it be RCA?

  475. This is similar to the Rihanna situation and what Beyonce has been doing since the B’Day album. Beyonce has released 7 singles off of “sasha fierce”. It is a kind of throw the single out there, see how quickly it catches, and if it doesn’t catch quick throw something else out there. This is how a lot of rap artists are rolled out, and Taylor Swift seems to be doing this too.

  476. hfa
    11/14/2009 at 9:58 pm
    So are we going to be able to hear Adam again tonight on OHP? Am I safe to turn the radio off?

    They play songs based on requests.. you can phone in at 800-669-1010.. just requested WYWFM again after FYE ;-)

  477. Maybe they don’t care about the singles and are trying to push the album.

    No. Album sales might be the bread and butter of the music industry, but an artist needs singles so their album can have legs. Otherwise sales of an album would just be a quick burst and then nothing. Adam wants to be a pop artist, he needs popular singles.

  478. This is how a lot of rap artists are rolled out, and Taylor Swift seems to be doing this too.

    This explains why I hear Taylor Swift every five minutes, anyway…

    I have OHP on in the background…too painful to actually *listen* to it, but this way I can post if FYE does come on.

    Jun, you are shameless, lol I just called for FYE twice. I am happy WWFM got played. I will call again next week. 8)

  479. If they care about the album they have to care about how the singles do on radio. Sure there are artists who can release two songs at the same time, but usually they go to different formats. These two Adam songs are aimed to the same format, CHR. Spins for one mean less spins for the other, so I just don’t see it as a good idea, it hurts the songs.

    And considering the anemic spins and adds for FYE, why start all over again?

    But RCA just doesn’t make any sense to me lately. It’s not like Beyonce, Rhinna and Carrie, none of them are new artists and have good track records with singles, and indeed they all have singles doing well, so adding another, makes more sense to me.

    So after not doing any real push this past week, which is when RCA supposedly was for FYE, and not having anything scheduled to push FYE next week until Sunday, they are going to push another single out? That sound incredibly stupid to me.

    I hope it’s just playing the song now and they’ll continue (start) to actually push FYE and then as part of shows like GMAs as part of a multi-song set he had WDYWFM to whip out. I guess.

    Just more lameage by RCA as far as I can see if this ends up being anything other than something random. But why say new song and why new single on AO? So odd.

  480. Saw 2012 last night ‘“ it was on 3 screens in my theater and sold out. Adam sounded incredible in dolby surround sound and about 20 of us stayed through the full credits. (i didn’t just want to hear it, I wanted to see his name onscreen!) I enjoyed the movie in all its cheesetastic glory, too.

    Yeah, I want to see 2012! It’s actually gotten better reviews than I expected, including from my usual uptight local paper.

    It kind of reminds me of what’s happening with Rhianna, who’s releasing the same day. Her Russian Roulette hasn’t been out that long, yet there’s another single already out. She’s just debuting the video this week, so they’ve obviously not given up on the single. Maybe it’s a new strategy.

    ITA – this is exactly what they are doing with Rihanna. I now hear Russian Roulette and Hard on the radio.

  481. Rihanna, Beyonce, Taylor already have big hits on radio. Adam Lambert has yet to come near the Top 40. Putting two singles on radio is very confusing at this point.

  482. And Jay Z has Empire State Of Mind and Run This Town out at the same time. So this has got to be some kind of a new marketing strategy. Jay Z also sang ESOM on the VMA’s and RunThis Town on Leno a few days later.

    SO YAY!

  483. ESOM is Jay Z’s new single. Run This Town peaked and here comes single #2. FYE has only been out for two weeks. Crazy early for single #2.

    All these artists mentioned had singles peak and then another single came out. FYE hasn’t come close to peaking. Why deprive it of needed spins by putting out another single. Very odd. But RCA are the experts here so..

  484. I didn’t care for the snippet of WWFM and I only slightly like the whole song. It sounds like Adam singing Pink’s song. I would have preferred another single.

  485. ITA ‘“ this is exactly what they are doing with Rihanna. I now hear Russian Roulette and Hard on the radio.

    But isn’t Russian Roulette doing well? So yeah, adding another song, makes sense then.

    But why add another song if the first one isn’t doing well? Unless it’s like May said and RCA is cutting their losses very quickly with FYE and are going to do WDYWFM instead. Okay, but as May points out, the rest of the promotion will still be FYE and if the song isn’t selling, than hmmm. But seeing as they’re doing a MV for FYE and the AMAs are going to still have it, that seems counterproductive to waste Adam’s promotional appearances for a song not the pushed single, but the discarded one.

  486. Well, the lack of proper FYE PR definitely still has me baffled too, since it seems very little has been done to really get it out there in the first place, so giving up on it similarly makes no sense. So, I’m left with assuming that this was the plan all along, and that the bigger PR push coming with the AMAs, GMA, etc. hopefully followed by more radio stuff will be the more substantial roll out for it. Hoping.

  487. It’s not like Beyonce, Rhinna and Carrie, none of them are new artists and have good track records with singles

    Yeah, I don’t even get why Adam is being compared to them. As far as I know they release singles at the same time to different formats, FYE was released to HAC/CHR and I can’t imagine WYWFM being released to any other format that is not HAC/CHR. Also, even if they’ve ever released two songs at tge same time to the same format, their songs fly on he charts, they have huge bullets, they get to the likes of top 30 in 2 weeks or something. lol FYE is not even close to that. It’s going too slow, it doesn’t even have a bullet worth mentioning. Actually, chances are it won’t even be top 50 when the album is released.
    It’s not the same situation.

  488. Jun, you are shameless, lol I just called for FYE twice. I am happy WWFM got played. I will call again next week.

    Yeah, I know.. I’ve called three times for FYE already, making up in small measure for the times I tried to vote for Adam on AI and couldn’t get through. ;-) I’m remembering now why I don’t listen to radio.. hopeless fan.

  489. All these artists mentioned had singles peak and then another single came out. FYE hasn’t come close to peaking. Why deprive it of needed spins by putting out another single. Very bizarre.

    You say very bizarre, I say very stupid. To-mat-o, To-mah-toe as far as I’m concerned.

    I know the Cookie fans have experience with this, but I join in on the hating RCA club now? And is there a secret handshake?

  490. But why add another song if the first one isn’t doing well? Unless it’s like May said and RCA is cutting their losses very quickly with FYE and are going to do WDYWFM instead.

    But I still maintain that they haven’t really done any PR, especially radio-related, for FYE, so I hardly see it as something like Kris’s situation, where Jive had him really heavily working with the radio stations, etc. for weeks to build up the support for LLWD. Then LLWD started doing better, and all was well. No such push has really happened with FYE.

  491. I don’t know why releasing two songs are confusing? When I hear a song in radio, I won’t care whether the song is a single. If I hear more than one songs from a singer, I’ll think he/she must be doing really well since he/she has multiple songs being played in the radio.

  492. I know the Cookie fans have experience with this, but I join in on the hating RCA club now? And is there a secret handshake?

    Well, RCA above all else wants to make money off of Adam, so I trust them, at least in that respect, to do what they deem best to achieve that end.

    It did suck not getting more singles with Cook, but wasn’t it discussed before that, his album sold well, but any additional singles were not believed to be helping the album sales to an extent that it made sense, monetarily, to release more and spend money promoting them? So in his case, while it sucked not getting more Cook singles, I imagine RCA was happy enough with his album sales, tour sales, etc. to justify their decision.

  493. Actually, chances are it won’t even be top 50 when the album is released.
    It’s not the same situation.

    With the amount of sales it has thus far plus almost non-existent spins, no way it will be if the situation continues for the next week. And I don’t see anything changing in the next week that would do so. I mean considering that Adam isn’t even doing any kind of promo for the damn thing until next Sunday. The only that will change between now and and nine days from now when the record is released, is that it will be selling even less, at the rate it’s going (down) in the iTunes chart.

  494. I cannot see why anyone would doubt that someone with his talent, charisma, and performance skills will succeed and match (or exceed) expectations.

    Because people with high levels of talent, charisma, and performance skills fail all the time? It is really naive to assume that all it takes to be successful in the entertainment industry is talent. Many of the people who have failed in their music careers had talent and charisma, it for some reason just didn’t click. I am sure Carly and Joanna Pacitti would have more to say on this subject lol.

  495. Look, people, there’s clearly only one way to settle this – let’s wait till the CDs are released, wait for some REAL numbers, then meet back here on 12/1 for pistols at dawn! C’mon, whattaya say????

  496. Every label makes mistakes. Some make a lot of mistakes. In my opinion TFM release to Itunes was a mistake. TFM video release was mistake too. It did not do any favor for Adam.

  497. I know the Cookie fans have experience with this, but I join in on the hating RCA club now? And is there a secret handshake?

    Yes there is a sekrit handshake! But I forgot it, yet I still hate them for how they screwed Cook IMO.

  498. Because people with high levels of talent, charisma, and performance skills fail all the time? It is really naive to assume that all it takes to be successful in the entertainment industry is talent. Many of the people who have failed in their music careers had talent and charisma, it for some reason just didn’t click.

    And some of the work they did, was great, and it didn’t matter. Things just end up not working out for them, even if they were great and what they did was great. Life is unfair.

  499. Wow, so they’re going to play WWFM again in a bit? This is soooo bizarre!

  500. Hey, WWFM is coming up again!!! HEYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  501. See the requests are working. I think RCA is giving up on FYE and getting ready for single #2.
    Nothing else makes any sense at all.

  502. The new single is…

    drum roll…

    WYWFM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Who knew? WHO THE HELL KNEW????

    I, er, requested FYE twice. ;)

  503. Someone should pull the plug on that expensive FYE video then. That $ comes out of the artist’s pocket not the label. And don’t bother doing FYE on the AMA. Cancel the dancers pronto.

    I’ve never seen such a messed up launch of singles as S8. Adam, Kris, Allison – somehow all mismanaged in some way. Weird.

  504. See the requests are working. I think RCA is giving up on FYE and getting ready for single #2.
    Nothing else makes any sense at all.

    I just can’t see RCA already giving up on FYE. Has it performed great? No. Has it shown potential to be a hit? Yes. I think this has to be more about the album and drumming up excitement, and RCA decided to sacrifice some spins of FYE.

  505. Just to put this all in context without comparing Adam to established artists or to last year’s Idols I keep thinking of the songs that Kris performed at the Miami game. He performed several new songs from his album but he is still focusing on LLWD as a single. I honestly don’t think we have anyting to worry about unless it gets a month or so after the album has been released and serious promotion has started and Adam still can’t get radio play or break the Top 40.

    We will be seeing Adam on various TV appearances, magazine spreads and in concert before the end of the year. I am looking at Adam through rose colored glasses and right this minute things are looking pretty rosey.

  506. I guess I need to listen to crappy OHP every Saturday from now. Oh, the pain!!

    BTW, I just saw the promo for the AMAs. Adam is on SECOND.

    *happy dancing*

    The irony: Adam is out clubbing right now, as we are on our computers, discussing his future and his spins on OHP. The irony should not be lost on anyone.

    *going off to tweet this*

  507. I, er, requested FYE twice.

    I called and requested FYE, too. Interesting that they must be getting more requests to hear WWFM since they commented that there was a lot of buzz about AL’s new single.

  508. Reminder:

    I’m going through this thread finally today, and I’m deleting and editing quite a few posts.

    I also put someone in moderation who will probably stay there for good. Honestly, it’s annoying to have to keep repeating myself.

  509. Life is unfair.

    true that – but you gotta keep on keeping on, in spite of all the static and the bs… david doesn’t and didn’t let having just one functioning vocal chord get in his way, or use it as an excuse to just go for it…if life was fair, he’d have 2 functioning ones, and i don’t know if i could stand it, hahahah… i want my fave to succeed, just like everyone wants there’s to, but 1 year in, after watching david go from idol to the world stage has done nothing but bolster my confidence in his future as a long term recording artist… got to give these things time… yeah, i want to see him get good, great numbers for all his releases, but just watching the growth process he’s undergone in a year’s time, and having a better handle on how a lot of this stiuff in the music bizz works has eased a lot of anxiety… let the future take care of the future… :)

  510. The irony: Adam is out clubbing right now, as we are on our computers, discussing his future and his spins on OHP. The irony should not be lost on anyone.

    How dare he go out and have fun and leave all of us here wringing our hands and spending our lives worrying about his success or lack there of. Someone tweet him right away and tell him to get home and start pacing the floor!! :-)

  511. . Do you really think with poor single sales and poor album sales RCA would still put more money into Adam? Blake released his album in December, which debuted at 10 on billboard, and he was dropped by June. Six months. So maybe April was a bit hasty. I should have said May.

    Indeed, which is why people say that RCA has more of a habit of doing that, and less towards steadier growth than Jive has done with Archie and Jordin. Though I will say Archie at least had a really good selling single, and decent album sales, so not like he wasn’t giving them the expected quicker Idol return. Sparks had decent growth with Tattoo and her album, and of course some killer singles off of it. So still again, not like keeping her didn’t make sense. Because Jive or not, if Kris continues to also underperform, he and Adam might both be out by May. Or maybe June.

    See the requests are working. I think RCA is giving up on FYE and getting ready for single #2.
    Nothing else makes any sense at all.

    Well that’s groovy. Give something two weeks, don’t do any real promos for it, don’t make any real push for it, that I could see, give it up for lost and on to the next single…9 days before the album drops, which the biggest scheduled promo to be of the just dust-binned “failure,” single. Okay den.

  512. ggdoorsfan, thx for the archie clip. very beautiful and relaxing.

  513. another Scott tweet to cheer y’all up ;) It’s about golf but still manages to mention food — lol.

    Today, November 14, 2009, 23 minutes ago
    ScottDMacIntyre: 4 u golf geeks, im meeting and eating w a member of the USGA Executive Committee… :D

  514. BTW, I just saw the promo for the AMAs. Adam is on SECOND.

    Sue, do you mean he was second in the promo, or did the promo say he performing second?

  515. Wow that is just bizarre about Adam’s single. Really strange. I can’t imagine how frustrated you guys must be. I can’t say I blame you.

    Speaking of bizarre, this is a hilarious tweet from DC’s show tonight in Windsor, ON.

    renee_CCF: # Omg. Kyle in some sort of superhero costume with mask. Funny as shit!
    36 minutes ago from txt

    I have got to see this NOW! Hee

    Apparently tonight in some of DC’s banter, the Script pulling out of tonight’s show was due to the lead singer being sick.

    Oh and tierbee, hate I missed the chair banter. He cracks me up when he does that. He told us at my show to “look at the place where you rest your butt”. Those were his words, not mine. LOL

    “Bye, chair”

  516. yeah it is suebrody.

    I was listening on the iheartradio app on my itouch.the stream doesn’t work on my itouch.sigh.can’t do it on the computer,because of like my parents.

    I’m too pissed too sleep.but I’ll try anyway.

  517. ggdoorsfan, thx for the archie clip. very beautiful and relaxing.

    yes, it is… that song and performance does wonders for the spirit when any sort of anxiety about david’s future tries to cross the mind… :)

  518. jpfan and gangren you both make good points. Not sure about whether they are still going to forward to try and push FYE at this point, and also WDYWFM to try and get attention to the album? Or whether WDYWFM is going to be the pushed for single instead of FYE. Hmm. Well guess we’ll find out starting next week.

    But I do know

    I’ve never seen such a messed up launch of singles as S8. Adam, Kris, Allison ‘“ somehow all mismanaged in some way. Weird.

    that I agree with this wholeheartedly.

    To sooth myself I’m going to go make some organic Amy’s Mac and Cheese.


  519. BTW, I just saw the promo for the AMAs. Adam is on SECOND.

    Sue, do you mean he was second in the promo, or did the promo say he performing second?

    Second on the promo, I think GaGa was 1st. Then they did a quick montage of singers, and he was there, too. But I didn’t watch it very closely, I just knew it was on b/c someone told me that it played during FlashForward, which I had taped and hadn’t started watching till tonight.

    Yes, they just played Billie Jean, and now it’s…I have no idea who this is. Oh, it’s the Shawty guy again. Gah. I hate top 40 radio.

  520. I wish Cook would come back to the Northeast, BTW. That was one bloody fun show. But I didn’t know the band well enough. I have to study up next time. I will do that with Adam’s band. I guess we start with Monte Pittman. What does he play?

    This show truly sucks.

    I want some Mac and Cheese, truthiness. Care to share?