Idol Headlines for 10/05/10 – The Evening Edition

Crystal Bowersox discussed GirlUp.org, the new season of Idol and her upcoming album with the 105.1 Morning Mix crew today.  Crystal called in from New Jersey where she’s recording her album, due out in December. 

Crystal reports that every song on the album, but one, will be originals.  Listen to the interview HERE.

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Download the official Daughtry app for news, photos, videos, music and tour updates! Keep in touch with Daughtry on the band’s official app and get all of the latest updates sent straight to your phone.  Download the Free app  HERE.

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Disney has reissued their animated classic Beauty and the Beast on DVD and Blu Ray, featuring the new music video featuring Jordin Sparks singing the theme song. Order it from Amazon.  Plus, Jordin talks about her mentor Michael W. Smith in a video sponsored by Lunchables.  Watch it HERE.

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The Jacksonville, AR Parks and Recreation is welcoming Kris Allen at Excell Park THIS Friday (10/8) at 10 am to present Coach Hickingbotham a check for the proceeds made from the Kris Allen shirts.  Jacksonville AR is the city where Kris was born, leading some to speculate that the even will be filmed for Kris’s Season 10 Idol promo.

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More Headlines after the JUMP…

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Jennifer Hudson and Jason Mraz Join a Star-Studded Roster for the Andre Agassi Foundation for Education’s 15th Grand Slam for Children Benefit Concert

LAS VEGAS, Oct. 5 /PRNewswire/ — The Andre Agassi Foundation for Education today announced that talented artists Jason Mraz, the Canadian Tenors and Jennifer Hudson have been added to the line-up for the 15th Grand Slam for Children benefit concert, joining Elton John and Rob Thomas. The annual event supports the Foundation’s efforts to transform education through its signature project, the Andre Agassi College Preparatory Academy (Agassi Prep), a K-12 public charter school in Las Vegas that strives to provide children with a first-class education. Hosted by tennis legend and philanthropist Andre Agassi and presented by Genworth Financial, the 2010 Grand Slam for Children will take place Saturday, Oct. 9 at Wynn Las Vegas.

“We are honored that these international sensations are performing for this special 15th concert, ” said Andre Agassi. “The support received through the Foundation and from these renowned artists ultimately helps us make a difference in the lives of Agassi Prep students.”

Read more at PR Newswire

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Beer, Wine and Local Boys Done Good

On a recent visit to SLU’s Re:public, folks were surprised by the treat of a somewhat impromptu concert by Grammy Award-winning composer (ever hear of that one movie “Juno”?) and local boy Mateo Messina and American Idol finalist (and local boy) Blake Lewis.

Turns out these two have teamed up to help some kids in need and are paying visits to some of Seattle’s favorite eating and drinking spots to spread the word about the upcoming Primal Symphony – Messina’s 13th annual benefit concert for Seattle Children’s Hospital.

Wednesday, Oct. 6, 7pm, Red Door & Friday, Oct. 8, 6:30pm. Primal Symphony takes place Nov. 9. More info HERE.

More at Seattle Weekly.com

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David Archuleta sings “Elevator” live on Z100

David’s Q&A with Billboard begins at 6 pm et HERE.

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David Archuleta Interview with GOOM Radio

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Post-Idol Braddy making sound waves in Music City

Ricky Braddy may not have taken home American Idol’s top prize last year, but he did take to heart some of the critiques offered to him by the popular Fox show’s infamously acerbic judges.

The judges, Simon Cowell, Paula Abdul and Randy Jackson, told Braddy that he needed to focus on a style; that he needed to decide if he was serious about his star quality. Braddy, from his home in Nashville, Tenn., says he is serious about his style and his career, and just in case you want proof, he’s ready to show River City just what this post-Idol performer is all about.

“I think I’m headed in the exact direction I want, ” Braddy said.

Braddy will bring his focused and newly honed act home to Elizabeth City Thursday at Arts of the Albemarle’s Maguire Theater, 7 p.m. He’s arriving home on the heels of signing his first record deal with Christian music producers All Entertainment.

Read more at The Daily Advance

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Simon Cowell to receive special Emmy Award

Cowell, 50, will be presented with the International Emmy Founders Award for his work on TV talent shows, including American Idol.

The X Factor judge will be joined at the ceremony by nine other British television stars nominated for the awards.

In total TV stars from 15 different countries are up for the prestigious awards, which will be presented by former Beverly Hills 90210 star Jason Priestley in New York on November 22.

Read more at Monsters and Critics

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Glee Boss Dishes on the Return of Jonathan Groff, “Trouble” for Rachel, the Super Bowl and More!

Happy Glee day, y’all! To celebrate what some are calling the best-ever episode tonight, “Grilled Cheesus, ” I’ve checked in with the show’s big cheese himself, Ryan Murphy, for exclusive scoop on John Stamos, Jonathan Groff, the Super Bowl episode, Gwyneth Paltrow, Finn and Rachel and more…

Will Jonathan Groff be back?
Jon Groff is definitely coming back next year. Next calendar year. He’s not available until January, but he’ll be in the back [nine] episodes of this season.

Will John Stamos become a regular?
We haven’t made any decisions about John yet, but we love him! I think he’s been incredible so far on the show. And really funny.

Read more at EOnline

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Glee’s Jayma Mays on Why She Makes Sure Not to Dress Like Emma

After two prominent TV gigs playing girls named Charlie (on Heroes and Ugly Betty), Jayma Mays parlayed her quirky redheaded charm into a role on Glee playing Emma Pillsbury, the embellished-sweater-loving, germophobic guidance counselor. (And she parlayed that into a co-starring role in the upcoming Smurfs movie.) After spending season one of Glee pining after Will Schuester, Emma is showing a newly confident side thus far in season two — perhaps owing to her hunky new dentist boyfriend, played by John Stamos. Mays (who has a slight Southern twang Glee-watchers won’t hear) spoke to Vulture about Emma’s gradual development, her Stamos-coined nickname, and how filthy prop Smurfs get by the end of a shoot.

Read more at NY Mag

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DWTS’ Maksim Blasts Judge Carrie Ann: “Absurdly Disrespectful”

Dancing With the Stars’ Maksim Chmerkovskiy is pissed that judge Carrie Ann Inaba tried spanking him last night after she criticized his tough teaching methods.

“It’s an absurdly disrespectful thing for her to even think of doing, ” the pro hoofer told us earlier today. “Is she crazy? She’s not my mother.”

Read more at Eonline

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92 Comments

  1. He needs to sing Elevator like THAT more often. Sang the stuffing out of it! Dang.

  2. you said it, Frogcooke. honestly, David sounds spectacular singing Elevator here. seriously, how many artists can sing as well as he does? but then his songs don’t get on the radio. it’s so wrong. but bless his heart he doesn’t let anything get him down. i need to be more like him cuz personally, it makes me CRAZY!

  3. Dang, he did sing the stuffin out of that song. Wow. Why didn’t I hear all that soul in that quirky lil song before?

  4. Congratulations SIMON!!!!!!!!! :D

    Its my first tim ehearing the osng, but David sang it AWESOME!!

    OMG, grilled cheesus is the best episode ever??? I have a feeling i might explode after tonight lol….

  5. Sorry, but Elevator is a awful song. He has to have something better on his album then that grammar school dreck.

  6. If Jive letting Crystal to have only songs that she wrote by herself, I hope that the reason that they do it because they believe in her writing.

  7. That is the best version of “Elevator” by David! WOW I am speechless!

  8. Crystal Bowersox talked about GirlUp.org, the upcoming season of Idol and her upcoming album with 105.1 Morning Mix today. Crystal called in from New Jersey where she’s recording her album, due out in December. Crystal reports that every song on the album, will be one of her originals.

    This is the BEST fucking news I’ve heard all day!

    Whoooooohoooooo!!!

    :celebrate:

  9. That version of Elevator was so great. David sang the mess out of that song. Boy knows that he can sing.

  10. A little weak in the upper ranges, but Elevator is a good enough song. I don’t hear it as a big radio hit though, and with that level of pop sensibility, it sure sounds like that was the intent of the song. I fear that David is heading for a contemporary version of Donny Osmond’s career – and maybe thats not so bad. It still remains to be seen who David becomes as he matures into a fully grown man.

    And every song on Crystal’s album will be an original? Man, is she a fighter or what? Congratulations Crystal – I think you might just bust through the Idol glass ceiling – and none too soon. Which reminds me – what I wouldn’t give for a Dave Cook album full of originals. Oh wait, I have one – Analog Heart. I mean, a new one – post Idol. Common refrain out there is that it will take many albums to get there, and Crystal does it on the first pass? Girl, show the guys how its done.

  11. It was. There were a lot of great thought provoking questions. This was a really good day. A lot of fun interviews.

  12. CORRECTION:

    Dang. Typo. Crystal–Every song BUT ONE will be an original. I got it right in the tweet. :)

  13. If Jive letting Crystal to have only songs that she wrote by herself, I hope that the reason that they do it because they believe in her writing.

    I hope that, too. Either way, it’s a safe investment, since they won’t be having to pay songwriters. If the album tanks, they didn’t put a load of money into like they did with Allison; if it explodes, they make a great profit.

  14. That performance of Elevator on Z100 was AMAZING. I think the song is a better fit for the older Hot AC audience that can appreciate the quirky beat and interesting phrasing so hopefully it’s a success there. It’s funny how in the reviews of David’s albums, both positive and negative, most of the critics seem to like Elevator or to single it out as one of the album’s best tracks. I personally agree with the critics.

  15. Is it just me, or did Crystal sound more relaxed and content than ever before? Just this effortless flow coming from her

  16. Great performance by David. Great interviews today and yesterday. I like the quirkiness of it and I’m older than dirt. There is a contest going on for fans to submit You tube performances and I was surprised to see all the adults male and female who have entered.

  17. I think Crystals voice is beautiful but sure do not like type of songs she writes, hope someone helps her write and sing something different from the original songs I have heard from her since Idol…they just all sound so much the same and do not bring out her awesome voice.

  18. Crystal reports that every song on the album, will be one of her originals.

    The optimist in me wants to believe that Jive is doing this because they have faith in Crystal’s ablities, but the realist is screaming that Jive is trying to spend as little money as possible, not only so they can maximize their profit, but because they don’t Crystal to do very well in the current market.

  19. Live Like We’re Dying, Come Back To Me and Battlefield each won a BMI London 2010 Pop songwriting awards.

    http://www.bmi.com/news/entry/549424

    ETA: The LLWD award was for The Script version. The Script also won for The Man That Can’t Be Moved.

    And season 7’s Jared Cotter won one for Down.

  20. Popeye I kinda agree, but I’m waiting to hear what they sound like with some production behind them.

  21. It doesn’t matter what Jive’s intentions are. Crystal will be the first Idol to say “this work represents me” and have it be true. Whether it is successful or not–whether it is promotable or not–there will be no excuses. I am happy for her and cross my fingers that radio takes her in. It is a true test–good luck girl.

  22. It doesn’t matter what Jive’s intentions are. Crystal will be the first Idol to say “this work represents me” and have it be true

    That’s not totally true. I’m pretty sure Daughtry wrote or co-wrote every song on his debut album except for one. Pretty similiar to Crystal. Ditto Cook who co-wrote lots of stuff on his album. Although he may have had to compromise with some of his material.

    Let’s see what Crystal’s first single is. I’m pretty sure it’ll be the one song she DIDN’t write. ;)

  23. Looks like they are setting up shots for Kris’ winner’s promo shoot.

    chamberkathy
    @KrisAllen will be at Simon Park on Fri at 4:15pm. AmIdol is shooting for the upcoming season. Show your support, wear your KA t-shirt…

    ETA: This is the location Kris performed after his hometown parade in Conway, AR.

  24. And season 7’s Jared Cotter won one for Down.

    Just looked him up because I wasn’t familiar with this guy. It seems he’s from season 6. Go Idol!! LOL

  25. I think Crystal is doing great and all the negativity in the world will not change that!

  26. David’s performance of Elevator was amazing. He can really sing. I went to my Target to buy his CD today and it was selling really well there. There were not that many CD’s left. He is also doing well on itunes. I think he is doing OK .

  27. kmd:
    10/05/2010 at 8:26 pm
    I went to my Target to buy his CD today and it was selling really well there. There were not that many CD’s left. He us also doing well on itunes. I think he is doing OK.

    Thats nice to hear.

  28. David’s “Elevator” is such a nice teeny-bopper song. The Teens will eat it up, I am sure. And Mom’s will love it, cuz it’s so clean and cute. I, on the other hand, will have to skip it.

  29. So, Kris’ AI10 promo shoot is up next:

    chamberkathy @KrisAllen will be at Simon Park on Fri at 4:15pm. AmIdol is shooting for the upcoming season. Show your support, wear your KA t-shirt…

    Credit to the awesome krinjalists who have one that follows arkansas peeps when he is home. And while crediting the fantastic listmakers, I have to say the glamfansunite work on the Japanese tweeters has been amazing!

  30. I have no idea if this got posted or not. Too much stuff to keep up with today, but from his manager:

    MelindaWEG: David Archuleta will be doing a UStream chat tomorrow 9pm est/6pm pst go to ustream.tv/davidarchuleta to join in the fun!!!

    also:
    GOOM radio interview video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIezHS5O3G0

  31. Kris’ Promo show is definitely on.

    GSafarian
    In Dallas now…hooking up with some friends for a nice Texan dinner :D Meeting the rest of the crew tmrw and it’s off to Arkansas!

  32. The one thing that kinda concerns me is that we’d heard a few days ago that all but 3 of the songs on Crystal’s album would be originals…now it’s all but 1. Is this really the way it’s going to be, or is this what Crystal is hoping for? The album isn’t made yet so of course there’s no guarantees and things could change, but I’m just hoping it’s not that Crystal is saying these things hoping that’s how it’ll go, only to find later that something totally different happens.

    Or perhaps this is the same news as before and of the 3 that aren’t originals, 2 of them are co-writes, and one of them is totally written by someone else. They wouldn’t put Up to the Mountain on her album after it was released as a single, would they?

  33. They wouldn’t put Up to the Mountain on her album after it was released as a single, would they?

    Of course they would.

  34. That’s not totally true. I’m pretty sure Daughtry wrote or co-wrote every song on his debut album except for one. Pretty similiar to Crystal. Ditto Cook who co-wrote lots of stuff on his album. Although he may have had to compromise with some of his material.

    Since you´re mentioning this, the correct numbers, Daughtry had 3 solo originals, 2 written by others and 7 co-writes.

    David Cook only had 1 solo original, 3 by others and the rest co-writes

    So IF it turns out that Crystal has mostly solo writes, there is a big difference between her and the 2 guys who come closest to her

  35. The optimist in me wants to believe that Jive is doing this because they have faith in Crystal’s ablities, but the realist is screaming that Jive is trying to spend as little money as possible, not only so they can maximize their profit, but because they don’t Crystal to do very well in the current market.

    So you´re saying that your personal view and being a realist are the same thing? If so, what do you base that on?

  36. I have a general Idol -related question & I don’t know where else to ask so here goes: every day on twitter if I search for David Cook I see someone, usually from Asia, mention hearing DC’s version of Always Be My Baby on radio. Similar things must be true for other Idols. Anyway, does the singer get any monetary reimbursement from radio play from an AI studio version cover? If anyone knows, thanks

  37. It would be nice if Crystal would clarify what “originals” means. If she just means songs she either wrote or cowrote then this isn’t nearly as unusual as the conversation is assuming it is. If she means all pre Idol or solo written songs then yes it would be new territory.

    Performers don’t receive royalties for radio play if they do not have songwriting credits. I’m sure this is similar for international radio.

  38. Or perhaps this is the same news as before and of the 3 that aren’t originals, 2 of them are co-writes, and one of them is totally written by someone else.

    Seems a logical scenario. But at this point, the only thing I feel rather confident about, is there will be plenty of originals, what ever the final number will be. And for that, I´m thrilled. What ever she´s doing or saying, It´s working!

  39. It would be nice if Crystal would clarify what “originals” means

    Yes, the interviewer should follow up with the question

    Performers don’t receive royalties for radio play if they do not have songwriting credits.

    I didn´t know that. Is that common knowledge? Anyway, seems strange to me. Sure, a performer can´t do anything without a song. But the performer can influence greatly how good a song comes across and therefore how much it´s played on radio. So, divas singers like Whitney Houston never makes a cent for radio play? Guess the same applies when used in TV programs or movies?

  40. Performers don’t receive royalties for radio play if they do not have songwriting credits.

    I’ve heard that.
    One reason there is such an incentive for singers to co-“write” to get a share of the revenue. Even if they actually can’t write. Feel sorry for the songwriters but I gather it’s almost a barter system that they are expected in a lot of cases to permit the “co-writing” and give away a share of their songwriting fees, for the higher probability that a popular singer will do their song.

  41. dhunken:
    10/05/2010 at 10:13 pm
    It looks like Adam set an attendance record in Canada this summer: Nice!

    Very nice! I was impressed with the original guess of 40,000, so 70,000 is freaking unbelievable. I can only imagine it totally freaked him out to look out at a crowd that large and know they were all there to hear him sing. I wonder if he’s going to get a invite back for next year’s concert.

  42. Probably not common knowledge to the average person but I think the topic about radio royalties has been discussed here. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve seen the conversation a few times. It is considered “promotion” for the artist to have a song on the radio. So it is a big deal if any of the Idols get cowriter credits on their singles because it means more money for them because they are then compensated for radio play. TV shows and movies I believe the artist is paid but of course gets more if they are the songwriter as well.

  43. It looks like Adam set an attendance record in Canada this summer: Nice!

    Canada loves Adam<

  44. Okay everybody, I went directly to the source to ask Crystal about her album. This is what transpired…

    ItsMyT1me Lori
    @crystalbowersox When you say your record will be all but 1 original, do you mean original vs. cover or do you mean without any co-writers?

    crystalbowersox Crystal Bowersox
    @ @ItsMyT1me original vs. A song I had no part in writing.
    4 minutes

  45. Why in the world would anyone want Crystal to conform to the latest Pop 40 trends? So you don’t like her style…big deal. Who says everyone needs to like everything? Do we really need LESS diversity in pop culture? Seems to me the music world is plenty big enough for both cheesy-pop and folksy-blues to co-exist.

    I don’t encourage Bieber or Ke$ha to conform to my acoustic tastes, even though I detest their kind of music, so why would others want to change Crystal? It’s so petty.

  46. ItsMyT1me Lori
    @crystalbowersox When you say your record will be all but 1 original, do you mean original vs. cover or do you mean without any co-writers?

    crystalbowersox Crystal Bowersox
    @ @ItsMyT1me original vs. A song I had no part in writing.
    4 minutes

    Thanks ItsMyT1me, but it doesn´t really answer if there are co-writes among the originals. Or does it?

  47. It would be nice if Crystal would clarify what “originals” means

    Yes, the interviewer should follow up with the question

    I dont think its necessary for a followup on that, its pretty clear to me. She said quote “my original material”. She has been talking in previous interviews about “my songs”, “my material”. So its pretty safe to say that she means the same thing here. I think she is referring to her original songs. Plus she says that the producer is v open and loves her ideas and their tweets seems to say so as well. Now 3 days ago she said all except 3 would be originals/co-writes but I think during this time crystal was able to convince the producer to push for more of her originals. now i dunno who else from jive would be in the final decision on this except for her producer but right now it seems to be more originals than someone elses songs. but this could change, theres still a long way to go until her release. nevertheless i too would expect a lot of originals from her album.

  48. Eriko: She answered my question to my satisifaction, but I guess if you need further clarification, just tweet her and ask. This is only the second time I’ve tweeted her with a question and she has responded both times, so it seems that she is open to direct communication with fans.

  49. IDK fictiousreality, the tweet makes it sound as if she’s calling co-write originals as well. I’m thinking it is still up in the air which songs will make the final cut, but it sounds as if she’s pretty definite that one song and one song only will not have her writing on it whether by herself of as a co-write.

  50. crystalbowersox Crystal Bowersox
    @ @ItsMyT1me original vs. A song I had no part in writing.
    4 minutes

    Well, that settles it. She’s going to have at least some cowrites, and I don’t know why that should cause such consternation. If she’s developed good working relationships with Franti and Etheridge and Perry, and possibly others, why not use the songs from those collaborations?

    I don’t understand where this idea came from that unless artists have known each other personally for years, it’s not “art” to write songs together. Songwriting is a JOB, not just a will-of-the-wisp. Talented people can often come up with good song ideas together in a shorter time than working alone, or at least come up with indifferent ones that still have kernels of good ones to be harvested later.

    Also, whoever is taking money that the 1 extra song is UTTM, I’d be willing to buy that. It’s almost certainly an AI cover (see: Heartless, Jive’s opinion of).

  51. I take it as her answer to mean an original is any song that she had hand in writing, which includes cowrites. Thanks ItsMyT1me for asking the question and very kind of Crystal to give a response.

  52. Well, that settles it. She’s going to have at least some cowrites, and I don’t know why that should cause such consternation. If she’s developed good working relationships with Franti and Etheridge and Perry, and possibly others, why not use the songs from those collaborations?

    Has it? I haven´t noticed any consternation. I´d love some co-writes, especially with one or more of the above

  53. Love that Elevator version and how David says “so there’s Elevator for you guys”. I wish I could belt out a song like that.. like it was no biggie. DAMN! Awesome!

  54. Thanks ItsMyT1me, but it doesn´t really answer if there are co-writes among the originals. Or does it?

    I think it’s pretty easy to say that her statement leaves it open to co-writes. There may or may not actually be co-writes but it seems she would consider that original. What people are really wondering is whether the songs were pre-Idol written or written after Idol. Well honestly, Crystal has apparently written several since the show ended – where would you class those? If she wrote it, does it matter when she did?

    I’m amazed by how quickly people respond to questions on Twitter. I honestly can’t imagine being in the public eye and giving people that sort of access 24/7 – and then having people be upset when they’re not open enough. Good for Crystal (and others) who are that open with people, I just can’t imagine being like that myself if I were in their position – and I’m not against communicating with people but it seems like after a while, the masses aren’t ever satisfied (no disrespect to the original person who tweeted her the question – nothing wrong with asking, I’m just amazed at how often well-known people actually reply, lol).

  55. I took Crystals tweet to mean that “original” meant anything she had a hand in – truly her own song or a co-write.

    Nice of her to answer so quickly.

    Didn’t Kris Allen co-write all but 2 or 3 of his songs?

  56. And it’s my understanding that the change of “one” word constitutes a co-write so it’s a very ambiguous term.

  57. Dlynne:
    10/06/2010 at 12:23 am

    And it’s my understanding that the change of “one” word constitutes a co-write so it’s a very ambiguous term.

    Co-write usually means that you have a co-writing credit on the song. Many performers make changes in lyrics and contribute to a song without getting a co-write credit.

    Indigobunting:
    10/06/2010 at 12:00 am

    I took Crystals tweet to mean that “original” meant anything she had a hand in – truly her own song or a co-write.

    Nice of her to answer so quickly.

    Didn’t Kris Allen co-write all but 2 or 3 of his songs?

    If Crystal used “her originals” to refer to co-writes, that is not so unusual.

    Kris has full writing credit for one song, “Red Guitar”, and a co-write credit for 10 tracks on his album (2 are bonus tracks). 3 tracks plus NoBo and Heartless were not written by Kris.

    Cook wrote 1 track and co-wrote 12 tracks on his debut.

    Daughtry wrote 3 tracks, co-wrote 7 tracks of the 12 tracks on his debut. One of Chris’ songs, “Home” hit #5 on Billboard Hot 100. He also co-wrote “It’s Not Over” which hit #4.

  58. Co-write usually means that you have a co-writing credit on the song. Many performers make changes in lyrics and contribute to a song without getting a co-write credit.

    But they are entitled to ask for co-writing credit even if they change one word. Whether or not they actually ask for that credit would vary. I’m just saying by law only one word needs to be changed to be considered a co-write.

  59. To me, original songs are anything the artist wrote or co-wrote. Although I suppose something you perform but didn’t have a hand in writing could also be considered “original” if it’s never been released and/or recorded before.

    Anyway, it looks like Crystal — and Lee for that matter — are going to get a bunch of songs on their album that they at least co-wrote. Similar to Cookie, Kris and Daughtry. Now the question is whether they can convince the label to releases one of the songs they had a hand in writing as the 1st single. That may actually be the tougher task…

  60. another possible destination for Kris’s AI promo shoot Friday

    #chamberkathy

    @KrisAllen will be at Simon Park on Fri at 4:15pm. AmIdol is shooting for the upcoming season. Show your support, wear your KA t-shirt…

    Also, I wonder who told/asked him to tweet this? (Because I doubt he decided to do it on his own)…

    KrisAllen

    #Do you wanna tryout for @americanidol but you’re feelin pretty lazy? Check out the @americanidol Myspace auditions. http://tiny.cc/5go5y about 5 hours ago via Echofon

  61. I think Chris D. and Ace changed a verse on one song, and they were both listed as co-writers. In fact, the wife of the original writer had fits about it.

  62. well a final word on the tweet:
    1 song = crystal didnt write
    10/11 songs = crystal solos/co-writes

    i think the track distribution will still change we have still a long way to go. but it seems jive is acknowledging that crystal is a singer/songwriter, which is a great thing for her n the album.

    also all these interviews on the radios and public appearances will weigh in on whether they are going to play her music on the radio. well, i cant wait to hear her first single. if it turns out to be the only one that she didnt write, well i guess il be here next year lol.

    like the fact that crystal talks abt girlup again. i find in her interviews that she wants to talk more abt the causes than her album / music. v nice …

  63. It’s hard to know how much input the idols have on the tracks they co-wrote. Did they contribute to the lyrics, the melody, both, and in which proportion?
    And yes, it is possible to get a writing credit even with little input. Even Simon Cowell got one on one of Leona’s tracks because he had the idea.
    It looks like Crystal will have a big input in her CD songwriting though.

  64. About WWFM appearing on Pink’s album, does the writer always retain the right to release a song they have sold to another artist?

  65. WWFM appearing on Pink’s Greatest Hits album is a bit funny since the song became a hit when Adam performed it. Pink never released it before, so in a way it’s a “new” song for her… A weird situation but I guess it could be considered to give Adam’s song more publicity?

  66. The people who own the rights to songs usually retain those rights, all they do is give the person permission to record the song.

    It’s hard to know how much input the idols have on the tracks they co-wrote.

    If they own the publishing rights to the songs, as Kris does with the songs on his album, that’s a good sign that they played a far greater role than just contributing a word or two.

    WWFM appearing on Pink’s Greatest Hits album is a bit funny since the song became a hit when Adam performed it. Pink never released it before, so in a way it’s a “new” song for her… A weird situation but I guess it could be considered to give Adam’s song more publicity?

    And yet people persist in calling LLWD The Script’s song. Interestingly, the two guys from The Script who co-wrote LLWD don’t share in the publishing rights to the song, that’s why they had no clue that Kris was going to record it.

    Did they contribute to the lyrics, the melody, both, and in which proportion?

    Both the melody and lyrics are important, and one little change, whether it’s a note or a lyric, can change how a song sounds and how it is perceived, so it’s all important.

  67. I know nothing about the business side of music, so forgive me if my question is elementary. What is the difference between having “publishing rights” to a song and being a co-writer? From a lay person’s perspective, I would have thought the terms were synonymous. In the context of this thread, will Crystal’s participation in co-writes automatically give her publishing rights to those songs and at the same time, give publishing rights to those with whom she collaborates? Thanks.

  68. And yet people persist in calling LLWD The Script’s song. Interestingly, the two guys from The Script who co-wrote LLWD don’t share in the publishing rights to the song, that’s why they had no clue that Kris was going to record it.

    Well, the situation is a bit different. The Script released LLWD before Kris did (yes, I know, not in the US). So for some outside the US, LLWD is The Script’s song.
    Pink didn’t release WWFM before Adam did. No one has even heard her recorded version yet.

  69. If you don’t own the publishing rights to your song you sign away the rights to however that song is used. If a writer you’ll still be paid for it’s use but everything else is out of your hands. Those that own the rights can license it to any person or corporation whatver the purpose for the right price.

  70. Not all writers have the rights to a song. I don’t know why this is the case, but it may come down to how much someone contributed to the song. Having the publishing rights to a song is where the money is, people have to get that person’s permission before they use the song in any way, whether it’s playing a snippet of it in a commercial, recording it, using it in a movie, tv show, or even playing it in a grocery store.

  71. Thanks for the info HR.

    I would hate to have my art reproduced by anyone who chooses to do so and I guess, in any form they wish. That’s a little scary. So I guess it’s a contract of some sort. Is it part of the contract with the label or is it a separate contract? Sorry if my questions seem off-topic, but they are kinda related. I’m thinking about who can do what with the material that Crystal (or any writer for that matter) create. I find it fascinating (but I’ve admitted before to being a dork).

  72. In theory, anyone who writes a song automatically owns its publishing rights. Whoever holds the publishing controls what happens with the song.

    In practice, songwriters often hook up with a publishing company who agrees to handle all the paperwork involved with registering songs in exchange for a cut. The publisher often gives advances to the songwriters against future royalties, and shops the songs around to other artists in hopes over getting someone else to record them (so they can generate more revenue).

    New recording artists, unfortunately, are sometimes bullied into signing away all or part of their publishing rights to a label’s publishing arm.

    When more than one person writes a song, the law will split the revenue up equally among them unless there is some other agreement made. Who gets what size cut is often negotiated based on the size of the contribution and/or the clout of the individuals involved. Hence Beyonce might change a word or two and get 25% of the publishing, but Nameless Idol Contestant 2 might do the same thing and get nothing.

    That’s the simplified version. I think I remember all this correctly, but some will jump in if I got anything wrong.

  73. Well, the situation is a bit different. The Script released LLWD before Kris did (yes, I know, not in the US). So for some outside the US, LLWD is The Script’s song.

    Actually, The Script didn’t release LLWD. From a recent interview with them, a German record company put that on an album without their knowledge. They did not feel the song fit them and did not want to release it. They also credited Kris Allen and his success with ‘Live Like We’re Dying’ for their success in the US.

  74. Well, the situation is a bit different. The Script released LLWD before Kris did (yes, I know, not in the US). So for some outside the US, LLWD is The Script’s song.

    There’s a recent Script inteview that is revealing. Actually The Script didn’t know this song was going to be a B-side in Germany. It was a record label decision. And in fact the Script didn’t like this song much for them to perform.

  75. I found this on another thread and thought it was interesting, might or might not answer some of these questions.

    That’s about ownership of masters of specific songs, which is a bit different. And confusing. LOL

    Okay, I’ll try to explain it without confusing myself. Heh.

    Legally, there are 2 sets of rights involves with any recorded song:

    1. The rights to the song itself (i.e. the melody, lyrics, etc). That lies with the songwriter/publisher. That’s what we were talking about above. When a song gets sold or played, the person who owns the publishing gets paid regardless of who is performing the song.

    and

    2. The rights to a specific recorded version of a song (a version made with specific musicians and a particular singer/s). That typically goes to the record company or whomever paid for the studio time/musicians/vocalists involved. That is what is called the master (as in master recording).

    Whomever controls the master controls what happens to that particular recorded version of the song. Royalties related to the reproduction and subsequent sales/licensing of the master go to them. Record companies pay for the recording of masters and agree to give the artists a share of the profits those masters generate (i.e sales of albums, singles, video, ringtones, etc) in return.

    Meanwhile, the holder of the publishing rights get paid for the sale and use of the song itself.

    Which is why artists who write their own songs generally get paid a larger share of the revenue that artists who don’t, unless they have signed away all their publishing rights. Not that record companies haven’t found all kinds of ways to try to cut into that money. But that is a different topic. :D

  76. I thought it was interesting that when Kris signed a contract with Universal Music Publishing Group that it included the rights to the songs on his album as well as his future work. So, when people report hearing his music all the time in stores while they’re out shopping, is that UMPG doing their thing? Does he get reimbursed for that?

  77. Damifiknow, Masieta. You wanna make yourself crazy, research “Fair Use” time limits and fees, and “Mechanicals”, and “Sync Rights”. I expect there are posters here who understand all the ramifications…but my head starts to spin when I believe I ‘get’ one portion of this mix – and then try to relate it to another.

    Good there are entertainment lawyers who specialize. *snerk* @Myself.

  78. Apologies, Masieta, that was a smart asp off the cuff answer – and I really do know a few facts about publishing deals. (But the rest still frustrates me)

    I am familiar with this because of David Cook’s deal with Cherry Lane Publishing – had many of the same questions. Here’s what I know. I’ll redact so it isn’t Cook specific.

    Universal doesn’t own the rights to the songs. They have negotiated a deal to administer the use of those rights , to “Manage” the intellectual property….to promote the artists’s catalog across the board, and to monitor and collect monies due from their use.They are responsible for promoting and licensing the artist’s songs out for television & film soundtracks, commercial advertising, etc. and making certain the artist is paid. In return, they get a % cut of those monies.

    This is another sort of agent – the artist already has an agency to book his tour stops, get him on TV shows, get him acting rolls (TV, film & stage) and even negotiate with RCA on future contracts & options.

    Keep an eye on your artist’s list and see which songs not on the album show up, and whether they are marked as Publishing Control, or Master Control – you may have an idea of who has retained which rights.

    Intellectual property rights isn’t a field I am very familiar with – but I read the Cherry Lane info very closely.

    ETA: Does this help?

    As part of the deal, the Publishing house will be administering the artist’s current catalog and will hold co-publishing rights in any new writing opportunities that are set up through them. The best possible case is when the publishers are focused on the writing, not the performing aspect. Publishing can be an incredibly lucrative revenue stream for an artist, and it pays to have a solid company managing your intellectual property in this realm.

  79. incipit and tinawina,

    Thanks so much for all the good information. This is actually the first time I’ve been able to get back to this site today. I just didn’t want you to think I left without coming back since you spent your time providing an answer to my question.

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