Idol Headlines for 09/05/10

Lee DeWyze and Crystal Bowersox will perform at the Annual Ford Day celebration in Dearborn Mi on Friday, September 17. For more information, check out the Ford Day website.

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Allison Iraheta has been removed from Jive Records’ artist roster. It could mean she was dropped…or it could mean that Jive is doing some Labor Day Weekend housecleaning. There’s nothing official yet. I’d save the handwringing till we have some real news.

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David Archuleta set to sing brand new song “Things Are Gonna Get Better” at Sunday night’s Jerry Lewis Telethon

David Archuleta will sing a new song “Things Are Gonna Get Better” in the 10 PM PDT hour of the Jerry Lewis MDA telethon tonight.

Check your local listings for time and channel! Ace Young and Nigel Lythgoe will each co-host at some point, and the show will open at 6 pm PDT  with a Tyce Diorio choreographed dance number.

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Josiah Leming’s debut album C’mon Kid is now available for Pre-order on iTunes. You can Click this link to Pre-Order C’mon Kid.  Lucky me. I got a preview copy and a I am digging it!  The album officially drops on Tuesday, September 15.

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More Headlines after the JUMP…

David Archuleta Sneak Peek from the Jerry Lewis Telethon

Jennifer Hudson Fights Hunger with Weight Watchers

Jennifer Hudson is launching a new campaign to fight hunger; ‘Lose for Good’ with Weight Watchers.   Watch the campaign commercial below.  Check out the ‘Lose for Good’ site to join or  make a donation.

“Lose for Good” behind the scenes

via Jennifer Hudson Daily

Kara DioGuardi: A tribute to a packaged judge

Oh, Kara. Kara, Kara, Kara. (Sorry, turned on my Randy Jackson switch right there.) Last night, you announced via a statement from Fox that you will not be returning to the tenth season of American Idol. And, sweetie, I gotta tell ya, we’re going to miss you.

I know: I’m a little shocked to have written that statement myself. Because here at PopWatch HQ, we have long been critical of the fourth judge, who was added back in season 8. We chided her for her tendency to favor commercialism over true talent when it came to the show’s contestants.

Read more at Entertainment Weekly

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: Fantasia – “I’m Doing Much Better Now”

Fantasia is out promoting her new album, and RadarOnline.com was there with her in the pre-dawn hours Saturday for her appearance at Atlanta Live.

“I’m doing much better now, ” she told RadarOnline.com exclusively. “I’ve got my strength. I’m OK.”

It has been just a few weeks since the controversial former American Idol champ attempted suicide following revelations she’s made a sex tape with her married lover.

RadarOnline.com

People: a few words with Taylor Hicks

In a way, Taylor Hicks is back where he started. The fifth American Idol winner is again an independent artist, performing in clubs and casinos, after a run that included being named People magazine’s hottest bachelor in 2006, performing on Broadway and getting dumped by Arista Records.

Having done the major-label thing and now doing it on your own, what’s the biggest difference?

The biggest difference is the more ownership you have in your brand, the more money you make. Here’s the thing, I always try to do smart business. Starting my own record label and then having the Broadway run, there was already a built-in audience for my product.

Read more at the Dallas News

The battle of the high Cs

“America ‘s Got Talent” singing sensation Jackie Evancho fears she could lose the $1 million top prize to fellow opera singer Prince Poppycock.

“He’s very theatrical, ” says the 10-year-old prodigy. “He has a great voice and he’s funny. He’d be a perfect Vegas act.”

The alter-ego of aspiring opera singer John Quale, Poppycock is what you might expect if Lady Gaga and Boy George had a child: a towering, powder-faced concoction of glam-rock, synth-pop and light opera wrapped up in flamboyant period costumes.

Read more at the New York Post

DERMOT O’LEARY TO STAR IN X FACTOR US

DERMOT O’LEARY has been handed a contract to star in X Factor USA. And he’s ready to sign on the line after being told his wife-to-be is joining the show too. Dermot, 37, will host the show when it hits screens next year.

Read more at the Daily Star.co.uk

X Factor’s Storm: I will not become Simon Cowell’s bitch

SHOW sensation Storm Lee, mocked by Simon Cowell last night for his ­“stupid” stage name, hit back last, saying: “I won’t be Simon’s bitch.”

Storm, 37, whose real name is Lee Gardner, sang a dazzling version of U2 classic I Still Haven’t Found What I’m Looking For.

The audition performance, one of the highlights of the series, got him ­unanimously put through to the next round.

But Simon sniped: “I’m not going to call you Storm because it’s a stupid name. I can’t take you ­seriously.”

Read more at Mirror.co.uk

Returning home a single woman: A smiling Cheryl Cole flies out of LA

She fled to Los Angeles to rest and recuperate following her battle with malaria and to escape the fallout of her marriage breakdown.

But just two days after her ‘quickie’ divorce from Ashley Cole was granted, a newly single Cheryl Cole is finally ready to return home after more than a month abroad.

Cheryl will remain in the UK until the X Factor season wraps up in December, but will waste no time in returning to the US, according to reports.

Simon Cowell has hinted that Cheryl will almost certainly join him on the panel for the US version of the X Factor, while the News of the World claims she will quit the UK talent show after this season.

Read more at the Daily Mail

Yesterday, Kelly Clarkson celebrated the 8th anniversary of her big Idol win!

Kelly tweeted, “Remember 8 years ago when that silly girl w/skunk streaks n her hair cried on television, squeaked through a song & won Idol …she’s rad :)…THANK YOU TO ALL MY FANS, FRIENDS, AND FAMILY WHO HAVE SUPPORTED ME FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS. IT’S BEEN BUMPY BUT ONE HELL OF A RIDE :)”

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252 Comments

  1. I don’t think that this was posted over here before, but Anoop stated he will be filming the music video for his single “All is Fair (Crazy Love)” in October in New York. Here’s a link to this single:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIUHVmJ7T8Y&featu

    I like this song, I think that it’s got a Neyo type of sound/feel to it.

  2. That was a good article with Taylor. He is so right about the winners of Idol……every season is different….everyone he had to compete against on his year led him to what he needed to do to win. I guess I never thought about it that way…..the best singer doesn’t always win. He got his best results because he was and IS an entertainer before a singer.

    Also, he sounds happy and seems like a real smart cookie when it comes to the music world. I bet he really knew all along he wouldn’t be *THE*star as other idols have been….but he is making his money his way and is happy. I have so enjoyed seeing him perform….best fun!

  3. The Dallas article about Taylor was published before – just somebody else picking it up and repeating it. Actually, I think the author was trying to put him down.

  4. Saw the post about Alli not being on the list of Jive artists on their website on the Countdown thread. Very sad if it turns out to be true that she’s dropped now. Maybe some smaller label will want her (hoping).

  5. So this doesn’t seem good but I can’t find Allison on Jive’s list of artists

    http://www.jiverecords.com/artists

    wow, she really is gone from the site. she used to be there :(. I really enjoy a bunch of her songs and, even though i think this was not her time for a whole variety of reasons that have been discussed ad infinitum on this board, i hope that she finds another label and comes back strong(assuming that this means she is no longer with Jive — she may very well still be with them…..sometimes labels don’t drop artists, but just put them on the backburner and do not promote them on their websites etc. at a minimum i suspect the removal from the website means that no more singles will be forthcoming from her cd and no more effort will be made to market her current cd. )

  6. That sucks about Allison! I hope it’s just an error, or damn, that’s cold. Wonder why they’d choose to cut her, especially when I have never even heard of several of the artists on Jive’s roster?

  7. Also, Jennifer Hudson looks GOOD! The hair, the makeup, the clothes, the bod; well played, Jennifer.

  8. So this doesn’t seem good but I can’t find Allison on Jive’s list of artists

    Allison is talented and was almost unanimously praised for having a really good voice. The only real criticism I can recall is that her age wasn’t a good match for her style. I think she’ll still be performing but I don’t think anyone predicted just how poorly she would sell. Adam’s tour is doing very well but apparently his audiences are there strictly for Adam and sales for Allison’s singles and album didn’t benefited from the tour. From what I’ve learned from reading this blog is that the desired result of opening for someone is to increase your own fan base. This didn’t happen for Allison. Kris and Danny have done well opening for others and I wonder if Allison will get any offers after her touring with Adam ends.

  9. Didn’t someone say that bad news always comes out on the weekends? It happened with Kara; maybe this is what’s happening with Allison. A friend just told me this is what has happened with all the Idols who’ve been dropped or “parted ways” with their labels in the past. They just aren’t on the website one day. I guess it’s the management’s job to clean up the mess when the label drops a bomb like this, so we might not hear anything for a bit.

  10. Kris and Danny have done well opening for others and I wonder if Allison will get any offers after her touring with Adam ends.

    I don’t know, opening does not seem to have helped Kris very much and I haven’t been following Danny. I don’t think Allison would have done better opening for someone else. Adam’s fans have probably been pretty generous toward her because he loves her. She is so young and just needs experience and polish, which I think this tour has helped her with. I still see a future for her, just probably with another label.

  11. Didn’t someone say that bad news always comes out on the weekends? It happened with Kara; maybe this is what’s happening with Allison. A friend just told me this is what has happened with all the Idols who’ve been dropped or “parted ways” with their labels in the past. They just aren’t on the website one day. I guess it’s the management’s job to clean up the mess when the label drops a bomb like this, so we might not hear anything for a bit.

    I was wondering if there wasn’t some type of press release if an artists gets dropped, or if they just get dropped. Maybe Allison’s management might mention she’s no longer with Jive, if she got dropped. Or will she still be managed by 19 if she got dropped by a label with 19?

  12. Wow- the last thread post on Allison’s website was 2 days 11 hours ago.
    That can’t be right, and if it is right sure explains everything. If even her dedicated fans aren’t talking about her it’s no wonder she isn’t gaining new fans.

    Take a few years off for college, get some enunciation lessons, then come back fully formed.

  13. From what I’ve learned from reading this blog is that the desired result of opening for someone is to increase your own fan base. This didn’t happen for Allison. Kris and Danny have done well opening for others and I wonder if Allison will get any offers after her touring with Adam ends.

    I don’t see any evidence suggest that. Especially in Kris’s case, he’s been opening for a bigger act and has been doing radio promotion constantly, yet no signs of significant sales increase whatsoever.

  14. From what I’ve learned from reading this blog is that the desired result of opening for someone is to increase your own fan base.

    I don’t think it’s that simple. For the most part, opening acts are performing in front of 25,000 people a night or less, for Kris, Allison, and Danny, I don’t think they’ve performed in front of more than 12,000 people on any given night. Without a song on the radio that is possibly reaching millions of people every day, and that can reinforce whatever impression they make as opening acts, the only benefits they are getting from opening are a pay check and experience. The most important key to expanding their audience is still radio airplay.

  15. I don’t think it’s that simple. For the most part, opening acts are performing in front of 25,000 people a night or less, for Kris, Allison, and Danny, I don’t think they’ve performed in front of more than 12,000 people on any given night. Without a song on the radio that is possibly reaching millions of people every day, and that can reinforce whatever impression they make as opening acts, the only benefits they are getting from opening are a pay check and experience. The most important key to expanding their audience is still radio airplay.

    There you go. I have never once heard Allison’s songs on the radio. Even when the ramped-up version of “Don’t Waste The Pretty” with Orianthi came out, the most I heard about it was on this website (I think she performed it on SYTYCD, too). Something went terribly wrong between the time when Jive thought it was a good idea to sign her and when it came time to actually market her. So strange, so sad, but from how they have handled her, not completely surprising. :(

  16. If Allison did get dropped, I do think that the lack of radio airplay was the biggest thing that did her in with Jive. Unfortunately she has not had any type of hit on any format. None of her songs made Top 40 anywhere.

    I think that the highest any of her songs charted was FIBOY making it into the 60’s on mediabase on Pop? I don’t think that Jive did a good job choosing singles for her.

    I think that FIBOY was the best of the three, but still not very radio friendly. And I don’t like “Scars” or “Don’t Waste The Pretty.” I haven’t listened to her whole album, but maybe she did have more radio friendly songs on it, that Jive could have chose instead of the three they chose for her.

  17. I think that FIBOY was the best of the three, but still not very radio friendly. And I don’t like “Scars” or “Don’t Waste The Pretty.” I haven’t listened to her whole album, but maybe she did have more radio friendly songs on it, that Jive could have chose instead of the three they chose for her.

    i think that SCARS was a huge, ridiculous mistake, but FIBOU and DWTP were definitely two of the most radio friendly on the cd. There are better songs on the cd ( I love holiday trouble is and robot love) and others have said that d is for dangerous should have been a single (not sure if i agree), but, other than scars, i don’t think jive did a bad job picking singles.

  18. Allison has had more exposure, from being on national t.v., to radio promos, touring with Adam, that the majority of new artists out there.
    She just has not connected with the mass audience. Maybe Simon foreshadowed this once when he critiqued her way back when.

    She has alot of work to do, but who knows maybe a smaller label could
    her her develop.

  19. i think that SCARS was a huge, ridiculous mistake, but FIBOU and DWTP were definitely two of the most radio friendly on the cd. There are better songs on the cd ( I love holiday trouble is and robot love) and others have said that d is for dangerous should have been a single (not sure if i agree), but, other than scars, i don’t think jive did a bad job picking singles.

    The first time I heard “Don’t Waste The Pretty” was when Allison performed on SYTYCD. I did hear other people including fans, say they didn’t care for that particular performance. But maybe the recorded/acoustic versions of that song sound better than her live performance on SYTYCD did.

    I think that FIBOY had kind of a retro feel to it, it sounded like something from the 80’s. And I think that the video looked it like it might could have been from the 80’s. I don’t think the sound/feel of FIBOY was something that appealed to a lot of people even though I think it was the best of her three singles.

    Allison has had more exposure, from being on national t.v., to radio promos, touring with Adam, that the majority of new artists out there.
    She just has not connected with the mass audience. Maybe Simon foreshadowed this once when he critiqued her way back when.

    Right before her album came out, I thought that Jive wasn’t giving her enough promotion for her album. But they did end up giving her more promotion and I think that overall she got a nice amount of exposure and promotion, including national promotion. I do think that she has a hard time connecting with a lot of people.

  20. But maybe the recorded/acoustic versions of that song sound better than her live performance on SYTYCD did.

    they are 1000 times better. I thought her SYTYCD performance was the worst performance of that song I have seen her do. I suspect she was under an enormous amount of pressure w/r/t that performance. The recordings are really nice. And she can perform the song well live — she does it perfectly well on tour, did it well on her aol sessions. She did what she could do, jive and 19 did what they could do, radio/the public just wasn’t that interested. it happens. doesn’t mean she can’t/won’t have a successful cd/single in a few years. who knows.

  21. I don’t think that any of Allison singles were a good fit for the current Top 40. FIBOU was the closest to it, but still out of place, and the other two may have done better on HAC.

  22. I know its been said before here but I think Allison would be a better front women for a band. Instead of doing the solo artist route.

  23. Yikes I like Allison….. she is spunky! Hope it all works out for her! :(

  24. Yeah yesterday people on my twitter feed were talking about how Allison was no longer listed on Jive’s website. And this morning I see these:

    jambajim

    #TodaysTune: Allison Iraheta – Scars (live at the St. George Theatre) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jdADuCJtv4 **Hugs** 17 minutes ago via web

    ImMattGiraud

    #Favorite @AllisonIraheta song would definitely be “No One Else” Saw her sing it live at a radio thing we were doing. Amazing. Love ya boo 28 minutes ago via Echofon

    Could just be random coincidence, but the wording of the tweets make me suspect she may indeed have gotten dropped

  25. And although opening for other acts may not have resulted in any real sales bump for either Kris or Danny, I think it has really helped them in introducing them to large groups of people who knew little or nothing about them, because these fans don’t follow Idol. I know Kris has gotten some really great reviews on tour and I have seen a bunch of comments on various sites (twitter, FB, the tour review pages on ticketmaster.com, etc) from people at the concerts that went from not knowing/caring anything about him to really enjoying his set and talking about wanting to buy his music. I haven’t followed Danny’s touring too closely, but I would bet that a similar thing has happened with him.

    Adam is great and all, but IMO it would have been much better if Allison had gone on tour with someone not connected to AI. Maybe she didn’t get any offers to do this, IDK.

    Anyway, IF she has gotten dropped, hopefully she will get picked up by another label who will have a better clue on how to market her. Also, it might be a good idea for her to try and form an actual band, with her being a frontwoman for that, rather than trying to sell her as a solo act.

  26. Could just be random coincidence, but the wording of the tweets make me suspect she may indeed have gotten dropped

    I don’t think either of them have inside info, they are just responding to the twitter chatter.

  27. Allison would be best to wait until she won’t have to be marketed as a teen act. I know the time is now to strike while the iron is hot but I had a feeling her current image wouldn’t catch on with the general public. I wish her the best and it would be nice if she could catch on with a label who threw some money behind her singles.

    News doesn’t really come out on the weekend but Fridays and especially Fridays before holiday weekends are considered dead days and the best time to release news that needs to be buried.

  28. I do think that Allison’s key problem stemmed from lack of radio play. While neither Kris or Danny are burning up the charts in terms of sales, both have done rather well in terms of radio play in that their music was picked up in the big market areas, and there music has become easily identified with them. That didn’t happen for Allison, despite all efforts made to get her out there. I mean, she even did some promo/radio sponsored events in NY and LA, yet these markets still didn’t pick up her songs.

  29. From what I’ve learned from reading this blog is that the desired result of opening for someone is to increase your own fan base.

    I made this statement and I guess nobody agrees with me but I read either here or elsewhere that opening for others is so important that often it is done for little or no monetary benefit simply for the exposure. Why are fans of Idols so happy when they are opening for big names if it isn’t really that beneficial? I’ve read (possibly here) that it is so important that labels sometimes even pay to get their artists on a tour. I don’t know squat about the music biz except what I read but haven’t almost all major recording artists started out opening for others?

    I said that Kris and Danny are doing well as openers in the context of gaining fans, which I definitely believe to be true. I don’t follow Danny but I do follow Kris and I think opening for Keith Urban, etc. has been really good for his future career even if it hasn’t increased sales of his album, which are obviously never going to be good. Kris obviously loves performing live and he will certainly be touring in the future, whatever the size of the audience and whether it’s as an opener or just Kris and his band. They’re having a blast and generally making a very good impression and getting good reviews both when opening and when he headlining.

  30. I do think that Allison’s key problem stemmed from lack of radio play. While neither Kris or Danny are burning up the charts in terms of sales, both have done rather well in terms of radio play in that their music was picked up in the big market areas, and there music has become easily identified with them. That didn’t happen for Allison, despite all efforts made to get her out there. I mean, she even did some promo/radio sponsored events in NY and LA, yet these markets still didn’t pick up her songs.

    Truth. I even recall seeing her performing on a New Year’s event and thinking, “Wow, she’s getting a great opportunity here!”. I mean, how many artists would kill for nationally televised promotion like that? It’s not that she’s not talented, it’s just not the right time for her in the marketplace. Maybe in a couple more years….

  31. Adam is great and all, but IMO it would have been much better if Allison had gone on tour with someone not connected to AI. Maybe she didn’t get any offers to do this, IDK.

    I don’t think that it would have made much difference because it wouldn’t have increased her single or album sales.
    She is gaining experience for now, and it is important. She still needs more of it, and needs to gain an identity as a performer. Then may be she can have another go at becoming a recording artist.

  32. I think Danny has had sales benefit when he’s opened for big acts. Not huge, but he does regularly pick up sales from on-site merch sales and people picking up the CD after the show night. Plus he gains income from the other merch items, like the t-shirts, glossy pics…

    I couldn’t stay after the show but I understand he had a pretty huge line after the Lady A concert Thursday night, and that’s generally been the case when he opens for someone or does his own shows. That’s a chance to meet hundreds of new and old fans in an evening, many of whom then probably go home and tell their friends they met him and show off their autograph. It also connects him to fans who may become ticket buyers to see him at his own solo shows, or when he opens for someone else down the road.

    He’s also picked up exposure, industry connections, and experience touring on a big scale — plus a chance to see how the top acts work in concert. He’s been rapidly maturing his own set / stagecraft — have to think being able to watch Sugarland, Tim McGraw, Keith Urban, Lady A, and various other country acts has been a big help along those lines. Especially when you consider Danny’s background which was singing religious music in church, where “performance” skills would have been out of place for the most part.

    I did think it would be better if Allison could have toured with a non-AI act, and even before that, not appeared so often at events with Kris or Adam, or both. Nothing against Adam or Kris, but that just kept her in the AI8 little sis role. A fresh, non-AI opportunity also may have pushed her harder to grow her live performance abilities and learn to relate better to audiences.

    She had some very nice, national tv opportunities to help herself, and they just didn’t come across that well. If she has been dropped by Jive, I hope something will work out where she can take a different approach and possibly get another album down the road. Even if it’s some years from now, when she will have matured more.

  33. I can’t wait to hear David Archuleta’s new song on the MDA Telethon tonight! He is singing something new! I love his new released single too called “Something Bout Love.”

  34. I do believe that Allison was dropped by Jive. All of their artist’s links use a hyphen between the first and last name. I found Allison’s old cached page on Google
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:7LObO_6IcWcJ:www.jiverecords.com/artists/allison-iraheta+Allison+Iraheta+%2BJive&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    http://www.jiverecords.com/artists/allison-iraheta was her Jive artist link but it now says the following:

    Not Found
    Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn’t here.
    Try using the search box or Artist Select above!

    When I use the Jive search box for Allison I get only one response and it’s an old announcement from April 29 about her appearance on Oprah. When you search for any of the artists still on their list, you get a page with lots of current news.
    Allison search result: http://www.jiverecords.com/?s=Allison+Iraheta&x=19&y=13
    David Archuleta search result: http://www.jiverecords.com/?s=David+Archuleta&x=27&y=12

    Since Allison is no longer listed on Jive’s site, there’s nothing that points to Allison’s album or website so they don’t appear interested in selling her music. Maybe her absence is just a temporary glitch but it doesn’t look good for her. :(

    Also, if she was dropped this quickly, it doesn’t bode well for Crystal. I always thought Jive gave their artists more time to develop than some of the other major labels like RCA.

  35. I have said from day 1 that Allison should be put in as lead singer for a band. With the success of Daughtry, I’m surprised the PTB don’t take this route more often. If she teamed up with Orianthi and formed a band, I think people would take notice, perhaps they could be the next Bangles.

  36. I forgot to mention that Allison’s cached Jive page was last seen on August 30.

  37. Re: Allison I think she just needs time to mature. Her voice doesn’t match her age, especially in today’s music scene, if that makes any sense. Wonder if that means she won’t be opening for Adam anymore, or maybe they’ll announce it after the tour.

  38. Why are fans of Idols so happy when they are opening for big names if it isn’t really that beneficial?

    I don’t really fit into this exactly since “my guy” headlined his tour but I’m a firm believer in it being a GOOD thing to reach new ears. And if you’re a new artist and you open for a major artist/big name, you are most certainly reaching new ears. I think it’s a great opportunity to show your stuff. Lots of artists start off opening for bigger acts. New ears = good if you make the most of it!

  39. What would be the practical signs to know for sure if Allison has been dropped?

    Would we see her song taken off the mediabase charts or iTunes, for example?

    And as far as the opening for someone else or headlining, it’s not an either or. Both Danny and Kris have been doing their own shows, in addition to touring with othes.

    I don’t follow Kris much, but Danny has been selling reasonably well in various theater/casino/club venues around the country anywhere from 750-1500+ capacity. Plus assorted outdoor fairs and festivals with usually thousands of people in attendance.

  40. I did think it would be better if Allison could have toured with a non-AI act, and even before that, not appeared so often at events with Kris or Adam, or both.

    I can’t imagine that if the opportunity to do that had been open to her, that her management wouldn’t have taken advantage of it. I love Alli, there are a couple songs from her album that have totally made it to my fave ipod playlist. But she just hasn’t generated much interest in the general public. I hate to say it, but I don’t think the choice was between touring with Adam or touring with a non-AI artist, it was between touring with Adam or staying home this summer.

  41. I made this statement and I guess nobody agrees with me but I read either here or elsewhere that opening for others is so important that often it is done for little or no monetary benefit simply for the exposure.

    Opening for others is important, but it has to be backed up by radio play. Let’s use a major arena touring act as an example, how many of the 25,000 people who see a show are actually going to go out and buy the openers album? My guess is not many, what will hopefully happen is that they will become aware of the opener, so when they hear the openers name mentioned on the radio, or hear a song that the opener played, they will be more open to paying attention, and checking out the rest of that acts album.

    There has to be some type of visibility, whether it’s radio play or some other type of promotion, that keeps he opening act in the mind of people who didn’t even know that they existed before they went to the concert.

    Taking it a step further, we can add up how many people an opener will perform in front of during the average 50 city tour, and that number will fall very short of how many people will be exposed to a song being played just once a day in a mid market city.

  42. Whats Adam’s tweet?

    Nothing…it’s an old tweet people are retweeting. I removed reference from my post. Sorry for the confusion!

  43. People change labels all the time…I don’t see this meaning that her album/songs on itunes will now become unavailbe. I think that Jive would probably not ship out anymore physical CD’s unless something happens in the future and there becomes a huge demand. haha of course I know shit about the music industry soooo who knows lol

  44. I have said from day 1 that Allison should be put in as lead singer for a band. With the success of Daughtry, I’m surprised the PTB don’t take this route more often. If she teamed up with Orianthi and formed a band, I think people would take notice, perhaps they could be the next Bangles.

    Everybody keeps repeating this like it is a viable option, but until we hear what Orianthi has to say about it I don’t think there’s much point in speculating.
    Allison could go any one of ten directions if she has indeed been dropped.
    I think I’ll let her and her management decide :)

  45. I think Allision is one of the best singers from AI. I hope they have not dropped her. I voted for her and wanted her to go farther in the show. I do think her and others would be better to go with another label. From what I have seen and read Jive does not do much promoting of their artists. They don’t get them the best songs out there to sing and will not spend much money to back them, or even push for airplay. Let’s face it…an artists has to have airplay to succeed. In otherwords they are cheap! If you don’t spend money you won’t make money. Just look at other artists who are always played on the radio and how much exposure they get. They are NOT signed with Jive. Some of the AI artists signed with Jive, such as Allison, Kris, & David A., & Jordin are not doing as well as they should be. Adam signed with another label and is doing great, because of all the promotion since he came off idol. He has been on tv a lot and is played on the big radio stations and he didn’t even win the show! Kris has had hardly any promo that I have seen. He has opened for some other big name established artists, which is good. All I have heard and seen was Adam on tv. This just shows ya that if they want to make someone a star they will. When I heard Kris had signed with Jive I thought it was a bad idea. Look at Jordin Sparks, one of the best singers there is and I have only heard her first single on the radio from her 2nd album. I have never heard any more songs from it. Jive will only fork out money for the first single usually and that’s it. I think that is because she won. David A. first single off his 2nd album they have done no promo at all. It is only played on a few stations and they have not put him on any high profile shows to help up the sales. I think Jive is a sorry sorry label for any artist to sign with. If it’s an artist they want to support they will, and their other artists they just leave to fend for themselves….

  46. If she teamed up with Orianthi and formed a band, I think people would take notice, perhaps they could be the next Bangles.

    I’ve seen people suggest she team up with Orianthi and that they could become like a modern day version of Heart. And I could see Orianthi, being like the “Nancy Wilson” of the band and Allison being like the “Ann Wilson” of the band. Maybe Allison could fare better if she fronted a band.

  47. I can’t imagine that if the opportunity to do that had been open to her, that her management wouldn’t have taken advantage of it. I love Alli, there are a couple songs from her album that have totally made it to my fave ipod playlist. But she just hasn’t generated much interest in the general public. I hate to say it, but I don’t think the choice was between touring with Adam or touring with a non-AI artist, it was between touring with Adam or staying home this summer.

    Probably true. Although I think even if she could have done just some club dates with a non-AI act, it would have helped her diversify more.

    The constant appearing with Kris and/or Adam gave her a kid sister image, and, coupled with her demeanor, that she was in it more for fun than trying to seriously get a career underway as an independent artist. Doing something of whatever type on her own, would have really tested her more and given her a more stand-alone image. Come to think of it, even the night she was on AI9 was the same night Kris performed, wasn’t it?

  48. I hate to say it, but I don’t think the choice was between touring with Adam or touring with a non-AI artist, it was between touring with Adam or staying home this summer.

    ITA unfortunatly for Allison her sales/radio play just didn’t leave her with alot of options :( but its not the end of the world or anything…hell look at No Doubt when they put out there 1st album it was pretty much nadda until like 3 years later one of the songs got radio play and became a hit and they re-released the album…this biz is crazy you never know what is going to happen

    Allison is young and has plenty of time to work it out

  49. What would be the practical signs to know for sure if Allison has been dropped?

    Other than an announcement, one way would be if the Jive logo didn’t appear on Allison’s official website. It’s still there.

  50. CindyM:
    09/05/2010 at 1:27 pm
    haha. Adam sure is showing up a lot in these teen magazines

    ginaisfantastic @adamlambert http://twitpic.com/2lkmhs You’re Justin Bieber!!

    OMG Adam with beibs hair…..Get that Tribble off of Adam’s head stat!!!!

  51. Other than an announcement, one way would be if the Jive logo didn’t appear on Allison’s official website. It’s still there.

    It usually takes ages before the website is changed, it will probably happen well after an official announcement is made.

  52. I made this statement and I guess nobody agrees with me but I read either here or elsewhere that opening for others is so important that often it is done for little or no monetary benefit simply for the exposure.

    Here’s one agreeing with you. New singers/groups do pick up fans as opening acts, even if it is not a great number (they’d be lucky if one tenth of those attending took an interest in them after the show). It’s interesting to note that Jive website has Hot Chelle Rae as one of the acts, and they did say that some of their biggest fans came from (I think) the one single show they opened for David Cook.

    Didn’t quite expect to see them or Bullet For My Valentine or Apocalypta (interesting group if you haven’t heard them before) in Jive’s roster though. Perhaps they have more diverse artists, and Crystal being signed to them isn’t so strange.

  53. haha. Adam sure is showing up a lot in these teen magazines

    ginaisfantastic @adamlambert http://twitpic.com/2lkmhs You’re Justin Bieber!!

    Best part – they only call him Adam! First name recognition baby!

  54. Didn’t quite expect to see them or Bullet For My Valentine or Apocalypta (interesting group if you haven’t heard them) in Jive’s roster though. Perhaps they have more diverse artists, and Crystal being signed to them isn’t so strange.

    I was surprised to see Apocalyptica on Jives roster as well…love them
    This is them doing Metallica’s Nothing Else Matters
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbTozgoj9OQ

  55. I don’t think you can blame everything on Jive and lack of promo.

    Allison had some great promo too, including a NY Eve television special, Jimmy Kimmel concert, Conan, American Idol twice, Good Morning America and more recently George Lopez and a great spot on So You Think You Can Dance. For some reason, the connection just didn’t happen. I think she’s very talented, but I think right now there’s a disconnect between her age and her voice. She’s got the voice of a much older artist, but the frenetic energy of someone really young. I love her and have her album, but I’ve gotta admit, there’s something about her live performances that put me on edge, too frantic or something. Still love her though.

  56. Best part – they only call him Adam! First name recognition baby!

    OH! I didn’t think of that…hehe

  57. Allison is an incredibly talented singer. I think her biggest problem has been her social skills. Her interviews, her speaking, it is such a terrible turnoff. She’s 18 years old and communicates like an 11 year old. She can’t sell herself, and unfortunately, sometimes that is a necessary ingredient. I do think forming a band and taking that approach could be great. That and getting better material than what was on her CD. I wish her luck. Someone needs to get her some serious social and media training. There is a disconnect between her singing and who she is when she talks.

  58. Although I think even if she could have done just some club dates with a non-AI act, it would have helped her diversify more.

    Not sure what that would have done for her, though. What would it have been, maybe 5 – 10 shows of around 500 – 1000 people? So a small club tour would get her in front of 2500 – 10,000 fans of a non-AI artist? Even if every single person bought her record, I can’t see how it would have made an appreciable difference from where she stands right now careerwise.

    ETA: Even if you toss out all the regular tour dates and just add up the large festival dates Alli has gotten to play while touring with Adam, where the audiences are large enough to be fairly diversified themselves, those numbers are quickly eclipsed.

  59. Not sure what that would have done for her, though. What would it have been, maybe 5 – 10 shows of around 500 – 1000 people? So a small club tour would get her in front of 2500 – 10,000 fans of a non-AI artist? Even if every single person bought her record, I can’t see how it would have made an appreciable difference from where she stands right now careerwise.

    I was thinking if they had started her out that way a loooonng time ago to help develop her more, not if they were just doing it now.

    When did Kris start touring? It was months ago, I think. And Danny started to do club dates last December on his own or in packages with other artists, expanding out from there. (Should maybe also note — all of Danny’s concert appearances have been with non-AI artists, except where a couple of former AI contenders have opened for Danny like Gina Gershon in Chicago. He has never appeared trying to ride the coattails of Carrie or Kellie, for example.)

    Well-chosen club dates can be decent exposure. A lot of them Danny has done (nearly all, perhaps) have had radio station sponsorship so there is a promo tie-in there and chance to m&g with the radio station peeps. And it is a way to gain experience in performing and improving stage skills.

    Also for Allison, I just think it would have contributed to her credibility as a recording / performing artist if radio and other industry types saw her performing on her own in independent contexts or with reputable non-AI acts. Even if it just got her some buzz as a niche artist, it would have been a starting point.

    Vs. what struck me as a tag-along image where she constantly showed up at events with Kris and Adam, and presumably was never the main focus of attention.

  60. Hope, 1:27 p.m.: David A. first single off his 2nd album they have done no promo at all. It is only played on a few stations and they have not put him on any high profile shows to help up the sales. I think Jive is a sorry sorry label for any artist to sign with.

    C’mon! David A. is going to be performing a new song on the Jerry Lewis telethon sometime during the 1:00 a.m. hour Eastern time. What more do you want?

  61. luvadamlambert:
    09/05/2010 at 1:56 pm
    I think Allison’s social skills are fine, it’s just that no one’s connecting to her music…

    Hi Luv….you said very simply what all of us adults have struggled to say. LOL

  62. I totally agree that Allison has to drastically improve her social skills. That latest interview with Jim at MTV was embarrassing at certain points. With out a doubt, she has to learn how to market herself better. Thats what the whole music industry is about. No one disputes she has really good vocal abilities. Hopefully someone can help her out on it. Image I think really does matter.

  63. Allison is reasonably good but not that great. She has a decent tone but a limited range, her live performances are overwrought and she doesn’t have a well-defined style. Why would she be signed to a record label?

  64. AINow posted this video from Lari White, one of the songwriters behind Danny’s current single I Will Not Say Goodbye.

    AINow: VIDEO: Lari White talks about writing @DannyGokey current single: I Will Not Say Goodbye — http://bit.ly/dz3xCq
    31 minutes ago via TweetDeck

    (warning, pretty emotional stuff though I enjoyed hearing her talk about Danny–she apparently has no tv and so didn’t know anything about him from the AI experience)

  65. I think Allison’s social skills are fine, it’s just that no one’s connecting to her music…

    ITA. She isn’t that much different from a lot of people her age socially. I think her songs just didn’t catch on. Same with touring… the promo and touring didn’t do much for her sales because the songs weren’t on the radio anywhere.

    I liked her album a lot. I even like FIBOU. But the singles just didn’t do the trick IMO.

    I do think touring with an act more her style could have been helpful, but its likely she couldn’t have gotten a gig like that without a charting song. 19M just packaged 3 of their acts together for the convenience, I think. At least she got some performance and touring experience.

  66. I don’t think that Jive was going to give Alli much tour support with her sales. At least touring with Adam, she and her band got to share a bus with some of Adam’s personnel, so I imagine that some of that cost was less than touring on her own. Also don’t know how easy it would be for her to book small club dates on her own because of her age. I also think that Adam wanted to tour with her, he loves her like a sister and really believes in her talent and when presented her as an option, he definitely wanted her. Seeing her cameos in his “If I Had You” video still warms my heart.

    One of his dancers just retweeted a tweet that Adam sent Perez Hilton in December praising Allison’s talent when Perez was ragging on Allison’s sales. :(

  67. IMO, another sad example of how important it is a singer to have a penis attached to its body. Especially if it´s not a glamor type of artist. Are you parents being good examples for your kids? :)

  68. Regarding Allison, with her sales numbers, I would be shocked if Jive gave her a second album so the best thing that could happen for her is that they release her so she can get on with her life. She is really young and will have other opportunities.

    Regarding the idea of Allison and Orianthi forming a band together — what is in that for Orianthi? If Orianthi wanted to play guitar and sing backup for another frontman/women, she should hook up with someone much bigger and more established than Alli. Their collaboration on DWTP went nowhere, IMO when they perform live together there is not real musical chemistry (just Ori’s guitar work is awesome. Plus, Orianthi has a much larger fanbase than Allison.

    Allison has already been on the Idols Live Tour in 2009, opened for Kris, and then performed for about 200,000 people so far on the GNT tour and associated festivals. Plus, Jive has gotten her a number of high-profile TV appearances and other promos. None of this has translated into sales.

    Finally, regarding the idea of an Allison club tour. I’m not even sure she could sell that many tickets on her own, so how was she going to support a tour? Better that she keeps the money she’s made in the bank then spend it on a tour.

  69. I think her biggest problem has been her social skills. Her interviews, her speaking, it is such a terrible turnoff. She’s 18 years old and communicates like an 11 year old. She can’t sell herself, and unfortunately, sometimes that is a necessary ingredient.

    ITA. There is a likeability problem. Allison often comes across as flippant and annoying – and I don’t think it’s just an age thing. I look at people like Jordin and Archie, who are about Allison’s age, but who also come across as more professional and well spoken. I also agree that Allison has gotten tons of promotion, but she is the one who is ultimately responsible for her career. And I have never gotten the sense that she is at all business oriented. Because it’s not just about being able to sing.

  70. Perhaps the reason Jive dropped Allison is that she is NOT a pop singer and Jive gravitates to them. Maybe RCA, who promotes rockers will fill the gap for Allison since she is more rock than pop.

  71. My thought was more that she open for someone at some club dates, not headline although they could have tried for that.

    Realizing that wouldn’t have been that glamorous, but it would have given her some experience and exposure to build from. IMO she has a strong interesting voice, but she doesn’t always use it effectively. All those performance mannerisms (hair-swinging/hiding, poor enunciation, the frenetic thing someone previously mentioned, lack of audience eye contact in concert or on tv) are things she needed to work on and get coaching about. It’s hard to say if she didn’t get any coaching help, or it was offered and she didn’t take good advantage. As a result, when she got the big exposure tv opportunities, they didn’t help her much, or were even a turnoff for many who might otherwise have wanted to support her.

    Same with the interviews. I remember one when her second single was struggling, and someone asked her how things were for her. I wouldn’t have expected her to say that she was facing tough times, but she just sort of giggled and talked about how much fun she was having. There wasn’t anything in the way she spoke or what she said, that gave me an impression this was someone serious about her career or her music. Came across more like she was just in it for kicks. (Not saying that’s how she really feels or acted, but that is an impression she sometimes gives.)

    and I don’t think it’s just an age thing. I look at people like Jordin and Archie, who are about Allison’s age, but who also come across as more professional and well spoken. I also agree that Allison has gotten tons of promotion, but she is the one who is ultimately responsible for her career. And I have never gotten the sense that she is at all business oriented. Because it’s not just about being able to sing.

    ITA. The age thing is a factor, but shouldn’t be an excuse. Plenty of young performers can be serious about what they are doing, and trying hard to improve and develop their careers.

  72. Who knows if Allison would have been touring at all without Adam giving her the opportunity? Maybe there was talk of dropping her before the tour and she was given the opportunity to have a last chance to see if she could move records. I believe Adam really wanted to help her get exposure to help her. He let her have a nice role in his latest video for some more exposure and his own endorsement. Of course all of this is my own opinion, but I really believe Adam believes in her and has done his best to help get her out there. While I think the majority of Adam’s fans like Allison, not enough have bought her record (sorry to say, myself included) I do want her to have success though. I think it will happen, just don’t give up!

  73. so sad to hear this about allison, if true… i’m a casual fan of hers, and greatly respect the talent, and the potential i see in her. imo, she lacked a rabid, committed hard base of fans coming off the show, and never really built one after it to give jive or the other bean counters the impression that there was some real commercial interest in her. them dropping her is not a real shock – they like any corporation is all about the bottom line, how profitable you are and they project you can be for them. art and creativity is nice, some of us like to cling to the romantic notions that those two conquer all, but not so much anymore in the music business. this is where perhaps not having a large or really rabid base of fans could have really hurt her – we like to scoff at and mock what are sometimes called uber fans, but all artists need that type of fan to a degree. someone has to be willing to support you – buying your singles, cd’s, showing up for appearances, concerts, etc in these awful economic times, to keep you afloat and having the opportunity to make albums, etc… she lacked that, and jive – the one label with a rep for nurturing young talent through the growing years longer than most labels, more than likely decided to cut their losses. i hope she lands on her feet, gets another label to back her, and uses the time in the interim to keep developing and growing – she is far from done, i’m looking at this as a regrouping phase.

  74. I’m sorry to hear that Allison got dropped by Jive, but it could be a blessing in disguise for her! Jive is known for not promoting anyone! Those that do well like Brittney – have been around and are established. I know there will be another label that will see her talent and worth! As for David A – excited to see he’s been out there doing quite a bit of performing. Can’t wait to see him on the telethon. He’s also another very talented guy along with Jordan Sparks… Jive better watch it coz they’ve got a lot of talent and are not doing anything to help promote them!

  75. I realize for some, a good interview could make the difference of checking out someones music. But has anyone here actually bought a CD based on interview skills? Not until recently because of the internet, had I ever heard the artist of a CD a bought, been interviewed

  76. Have been disappointed in Allison’s TV appearances, not so good. For SYTCD, the camera showed her seconds before she stepped forward on stage and she looked terrified, felt bad for her.

    Whole different story when I saw her open for Adam. She was great. After that, bought Don’t Waste the Pretty and Holiday and may still buy 1-2 more.

    Social skills, not sure. After one of her songs, she advised the audience to check out her album. She said something like: “If ya liked that, git yur butts back there and pick it up. It’s not that bad, I promise.”

    Opening for Adam was a great gig, decent size crowds.

  77. So much for Jive being into “growing” an artist over the long haul. I guess they do look at the bottom line afterall. Sads. :(

  78. angelia:
    09/05/2010 at 2:35 pm

    Perhaps the reason Jive dropped Allison is that she is NOT a pop singer and Jive gravitates to them. Maybe RCA, who promotes rockers will fill the gap for Allison since she is more rock than pop.

    I doubt RCA is going to pick up Allison IF Jive has dropped her. Why would they?? Her sales and radio play haven’t shown that she has the fanbase RIGHT NOW to sustain her. She may get picked up by an indy label, which would be better than nothing.

  79. Her sales and radio play haven’t shown that she has the fanbase RIGHT NOW to sustain her.

    How many artists have a fan base prior to their songs being played on the radio? Allison’s situation isn’t any worse than any other new artist.

  80. in other news, am looking forward for the 1st time in eons staying up to watch the jerry lewis telethon… cannot wait to hear this new song david will be singing :D

  81. I do think touring with an act more her style could have been helpful, but its likely she couldn’t have gotten a gig like that without a charting song. 19M just packaged 3 of their acts together for the convenience, I think. At least she got some performance and touring experience.

    Adam said he got a list of opening acts to choose from and he picked Allison as an opening act. With the limited number of national tours this year, I am sure he had a number of options. And since the GNT is basically sold out, he prob could have picked any opening act he wanted because he doesn’t need a co-headliner’s financial support.

    Setting aside the fact that I do not think Allison was flooded with offers to tour. Who would have been a great act for her to open with? I have seen Allison live several times. Basically, her concert set is pretty generic pop-rock. My reaction to Alli’s live performance is that she needs better material, is not Pat Benetar or a long-lost Wilson sister or P!nk, and the high point of the set is when Orianthi does her guitar solo.

    For some recording artists who are not successful, I think the issue is primarily the label’s strategy. But I think that Allison’s issue is her lack of artistic definition, fuzzy personal brand and her inability to connect with the audience. Management/record label can help with artistic direction and personal branding but they can do nothing to teach an artist how to connect with an audience. Alli is a good vocalist, but a lot of people can sing. It just isn’t enough.

    Finally, in the context of the current music business, Allison should get one more shot to put out a major label record — probably with a tight budget. My hope is that she waits until 2012 to put it out when she has more artistic maturity.

  82. How many artists have a fan base prior to their songs being played on the radio?

    most idol artists do – the male ones especially. the ladies seem to have a much harder time in recent seasons being able to establish the kind of rabid, dedicated following a lot of the male winners and runners up have… it is one of the biggest pluses and benefits for them coming off the show. it can make a whole lotta difference for a new artist – having a fanbase going into the debut release and beyond… a built in audience to buy your material has to look very attractive to a label. it takes many artists years to build up the kind of bases a lot of idols bring with them from the show.

  83. So much for Jive being into “growing” an artist over the long haul. I guess they do look at the bottom line afterall. Sads.

    I think they might have done that if at least one of her songs had done better on radio. Maybe if at least one of her songs had made Top 40 on pop radio, that might have been enough for Jive to decide to keep her around longer. And “grow” her as an artist.

    I think the lack of radio airplay may have done her in, and was considered worse than her low album sales are. Because some idols don’t have high album sales, but they have/had presence on radio with their songs.

    If she got dropped from Jive, then I think a lot of that had to do with her songs not really going anywhere on radio. Maybe if at least one had made Top 40 on Pop, Jive might have kept her around longer. And tried to work with her more.

  84. Elliegrll:
    09/05/2010 at 2:49 pm

    Her sales and radio play haven’t shown that she has the fanbase RIGHT NOW to sustain her.

    How many artists have a fan base prior to their songs being played on the radio? Allison’s situation isn’t any worse than any other new artist.

    Allison came off of American Idol. She’s not a typical new artist. I disagree that Allison’s situation isn’t worse than any new artist. The reason I say I can’t see RCA picking her up, is that IF Jive has dropped her, they have an idea of how she might do in the current market. It’s not like an unknown new artist with no fanbase who has yet to be on television, do radio promo etc. Allison has had prime tv promo, she’s done radio promo for the biggest stations in the country in Z100 and Kiis and many other stations. The brand new artists don’t have that history behind them and the indicators that Allison has that the promo wasn’t successful.

  85. I really hope that if Allison has been dropped by Jive’ she will be picked by another big label that will give her the right promotion and chose the right singles.

  86. So much for Jive being into “growing” an artist over the long haul. I guess they do look at the bottom line afterall. Sads.

    :(

    behind that jive rep has always been an attention to the bottom line. too much so, for some of us with faves on their label. jive, like any label or business, is pleased with you – as long as you are profitable for them, or they see some kind of long term commercial viability in keeping you signed. these times make every company i’m sure re-examine a lot of policies of old, so what may have been the business model a few years ago may no longer be. lotta belt tightening going on, and it’s really a ‘what have you done for me lately’ game now more than ever…

  87. Allison came off of American Idol. She’s not a typical new artist. I disagree that Allison’s situation isn’t worse than any new artist. The reason I say I can’t see RCA picking her up, is that IF Jive has dropped her, they have an idea of how she might do in the current market. It’s not like an unknown new artist with no fanbase who has yet to be on television, do radio promo etc. Allison has had prime tv promo, she’s done radio promo for the biggest stations in the country in Z100 and Kiis. The brand new artists don’t have that history behind them and the indicators that Allison has that the promo wasn’t successful.

    I agree, the artists coming off of Idol with more of an advantage than other new artists have. Because they have gotten a lot more exposure on Idol and some of them come off of Idol with some pretty big fanbases. Which definitely helps them out with things like album/single sales.

  88. Don’t know if someone has already said this, but Allison is still listed on the 19 records website. Maybe all is not lost?

  89. Setting aside the fact that I do not think Allison was flooded with offers to tour. Who would have been a great act for her to open with? I have seen Allison live several times. Basically, her concert set is pretty generic pop-rock.

    A huge chunk of the people coming to see Adam are likely people who know him from Idol. (Before the angry posts start: I am not saying those are the only people coming, nor am I saying it is any different for any other Idol on their first tour. Hold back the hounds. LOL) I think she might have been better off with someone who was not from Idol and had a lot of pop/rock hits, preferably someone male… like a 3OH3, Fallout Boy, even Good Charlotte. Someone like that. (Not those specific people necessarily, before I get hit with the “so and so wasn’t on tour!” responses)

    Opening for Adam was not a bad deal, but she might have had a chance to grow awareness a bit better with someone who was not likely to put her in front of people who knew her anyway. But like I said, she probably couldn’t get on a tour with someone like that without a charting song. Or there were no slots available with that kind of act.

  90. just heard about the news in regards to Allison possibly being dropped by Jive :( Ive read all the comments and I agree with what most of you have noted. IdolyEverAfter: I think you hit the nail on the head. I liked her on the show and I bought her album…most of the songs are pretty good and I think she’s got a great voice but that is only one part of the ‘package’. I have to say I was actually surprised when Jive signed her, I thought they were really taking a risk with her because even though her performances on the show were strong she landed in the bottom three several times which clearly meant that ppl were not voting for her because they were invested in other contestants. But Jive ignored this fact and signed her anyway because of her talent, which in this economy seems like a risk to me, especially given the songs she chose and off-stage demeanor.

    She doesnt give good interviews, but rather comes across as awkward and uninterested in what is being asked and unless you have mega talent or something else to back that up you dont really have that luxury.
    One of the reasons why I think Adam has been successful is because he has this ability. He’s smart, articulate, interesting and approachable; he can market himself. This is why his label sent him on that overseas promotional tour where he visited radio station after radio station and does countless interviews. He always leaves a good impression.
    Allison on the other hand doesnt know how to do this and I have to say I dont think the age factor is at fault, its just how she is. She can learn but it will take time and practice.
    She also does tend to get manic when she performs which doesnt bode well with the material she is singing (a lot of which is serious stuff)…all in all there are too many disconnects and things in conflict w/ each other and this is just mho but she should try and make an effort at least to resolve these issues.
    Maybe its all just speculation and she hasnt been dropped, or better yet she is switching to another label…that would be the best alternative I think…she has been promoted but there have been some mistakes made, such as choosing FIBOY as the first single which didnt connect with a non-idol audience and put off those who liked her from idol who thought she would do harder rock. Releasing Scars as a single was also a mistake…that song is too boring for radio these days, albeit its a good song.
    I dont want to keep ranting but yeah ultimately it is up to her and what she decides…I believe that she’s just been coasting and letting her management/label make all the decisions…she needs to be more actively involved and be serious about her career and taking care of her voice and learning how to market herself, or just do something else that’ll help her mature and then come back in a few years.
    and about touring with other acts, I too think if the offers were there she would have taken them…I clearly remember Adam saying in a interview that he asked his label “who was available” to tour with him and she was an option.

  91. I think there is a lot of confusion with Allison as far as branding, what type of music she was in. On the show she was identified as a “rocker.” The album was pop, and then they dabbled in trying the Spanish language market as well, I think?

    And her interviews didn’t give any real sense of musical identity either. Just seemed like a giggling teenager at the mall. Or she froze and didn’t say anything remotely interesting or motivating for people wanting to support her or buy her music, as when she was on AI9 performing Scars. The performance was very subdued and not that relatable. And then when she had time talking with Ryan, she didn’t really say much at all — much less mentioning she had an album out and hoped people would buy it. For all that Danny went into adrenaline hypertalking mode, lol, he put across a good, high-energy performance of his single, and also during the interview he managed to plug both his album and his website. All of that helped him quite substantially with his album sales and downloads of his first single. Don’t know the specific numbers, but wouldn’t be surprised if Danny got more sales boost out of that one appearance than Allison did with her half dozen or more national tv appearances all combined together :(

    Even Scott and Matt managed to plug their music/websites better on AI9 than Allison did, so people could check out what they were doing. Which seems odd, as you would hope Allison has had people on her team to better advise and coach her.

    Hard to see a lot of sign of it though. For those who follow her more closely than I, can you see signs of her improving the performance and interview skills at all? As a casual fan, I can’t really see it. And after a while, you stop looking, I’m afraid.

  92. I love Allison and I hope that she gets another shot. It’s hard to break big, even when you are as talented as she is. There are some things she can work on, but I really hope that she comes out as herself and not some rip off of some of the ‘teen’ girls that are out there now. She’s not Miley, Selena, or Miranda. I just think it was the wrong time.

    I do want to hear from her demographic, why aren’t they enthused about her? Everytime I think about Alli and they struggles she had, I go back to the stuff Simon was saying about her. What did he see that I missed?

  93. most idol artists do – the male ones especially. the ladies seem to have a much harder time in recent seasons being able to establish the kind of rabid, dedicated following a lot of the male winners and runners up have… it is one of the biggest pluses and benefits for them coming off the show. it can make a whole lotta difference for a new artist – having a fanbase going into the debut release and beyond… a built in audience to buy your material has to look very attractive to a label. it takes many artists years to build up the kind of bases a lot of idols bring with them from the show.

    Those from AI have a fan base who likes them because they were on a tv show, not because of their music, this is one of the reasons why so many of them don’t do as well with their second singles or second albums. They,just like every other new artist, have to prove that they can attract people based on their music, and that is what will be important to any label who signs Allison, they will want to know if she and her style of music are marketable.

  94. angelia:
    09/05/2010 at 2:35 pm

    Perhaps the reason Jive dropped Allison is that she is NOT a pop singer and Jive gravitates to them. Maybe RCA, who promotes rockers will fill the gap for Allison since she is more rock than pop.

    Jive is just a brand label within RCA Record Group. And since early 2009, Jive has been fully integrated into RCA Record Group.

    If Jive drops Allison, and with album sales of just over 100K, three singles that failed, why would Sony invest in another album? There just is nothing that indicates she is popular and has a large fanbase.

    I still think that she will get another shot with a different label.

    Regarding Allison being a Rock singer — no indication of that from her pre-Idol, Idol or post-Idol career. Her album is squarely a pop album with some rock touches.

    But Jive did not cut corners on her album — and they must have lost a ton on money on this project. Her first single was produced by Max Martin. The collaborator list for that album is as packed with talent as any other Idol debut — including Adam’s album. The album got good reviews. It just didn’t sell. IMO it didn’t sell because the material was second rate, a lot of it sounds dated and it is too much like other female pop artists.

    I think these two reviews really capture the issue:

    Rolling Stone, ‘Friday I’ll Be Over U’ is Scandinavian-designed punk-pop perfection, and ‘Robot Love’ turns Gary Glitter’s ‘Rock and Roll Part 2’ riff into something fresh. But on ballads like ‘Scars,’ Iraheta sounds so much like Pink that it’s distracting.

    The New York Times, “Just Like You is a workmanlike pop album with shrewdly punky touches, like a ready-made outfit from the mall chain Hot Topic. It flatters Ms. Iraheta as a singer but too often suggests other empowered female stars, like Pink or Brandi Carlile or Kelly Clarkson.”

    A label can only do so much — a large part of a recording artist’s success is based on their artistic vision and their ability to promote their music. IMO Allison doesn’t have her own artistic vision and is not very good at promoting her own music.

  95. Q3:
    09/05/2010 at 3:23 pm

    A label can only do so much — a large part of a recording artist’s success is based on their artistic vision and their ability to promote their music. IMO Allison doesn’t have her own artistic vision and is not very good at promoting her own music.

    Way too much credit and way too much blame is put on the artist particularly AI artists. They are just contracted voices that are hired to sing songs chosen by the label to be recorded with musicians chosen by the label. The artwork, photographer, the image, the narrative, the singles, the level of radio promo is all chosen by the label.

    If Allison didn’t catch on, it is the fault of the so-called professionals at the label who made wrong decisions and guessed the market incorrectly.

  96. Who makes the official announcement when an artist is dropped from a label? Does the label issue a response to queries? Does the artist put out the word?

    Removing a name from the website without any other accompanying statement seems a weird and mean way to do things.

  97. Those from AI have a fan base who likes them because they were on a tv show, not because of their music, this is one of the reasons why so many of them don’t do as well with their second singles or second albums. They,just like every other new artist, have to prove that they can attract people based on their music, and that is what will be important to any label who signs Allison, they will want to know if she and her style of music are marketable.

    i don’t believe the record company and the labels care if you are a tv fan, or a music fan – they care about the money whatever type of ‘fan’ buying the product is interested in shelling out. bottom line. we can be elitist and draw arbitrary distinctions till the cows come home regarding the validity/desirability of the tv fan vs the music fan… i don’t believe the labels really care. somebody still has to buy what you’re selling, in order to keep the label vested and interested in keeping you. a tv fans money is just as green, spends just as well as any other, and it remains to be seen in these troubled economic times if anyone will care what type of fan comprises their bases – as long as the artist is selling enough to somebody out there to keep them afloat, and signed, in these bad times for the business that may be all that matters. as always, ymmv.

  98. HappyDaisy:
    09/05/2010 at 3:35 pm

    Who makes the official announcement when an artist is dropped from a label? Does the label issue a response to queries? Does the artist put out the word?

    Removing a name from the website without any other accompanying statement seems a weird and mean way to do things.

    Idol isn’t very polite about it. Justin Guarini was the first Idol dropped by his label and he found out by reading an article about Idol promoting season 2 that he was dropped. The label didn’t even send him a dear john e-mail.

  99. So sad to hear this news. Allison was/is my favourite from Season 8 by a long shot – love her voice, adore her personality (quirks and all) and liked her album (a harder rock edge would have been more to my taste, but there was still some good stuff on it). IMO Allison just emerged from the wrong place, at the wrong age, and at the wrong time. She’ll be back once she has shed her Idol image, matured a bit, and once pop music has cycled back to a more classic rock sound. I still think Allison has the potential for greatness and longevity in the music business – moreso than any other artist from Season 8.

  100. A label can only do so much — a large part of a recording artist’s success is based on their artistic vision and their ability to promote their music.

    I guess it is human nature to “blame” an elusive entity like a label for the failure of an artist but in Allison’s case I think this is far from the truth. The girl just didn’t seem to have an ability to “connect” with an audience on a level that would induce them to support her by buying and requesting.

    I for one haven’t bothered to watch anything from Allison since listening to the album when it was released. I felt her TV appearances came off as frenetic…and the few times she interviewed on TV didn’t help me “connect” to her as an artist. Having a good voice is very rarely what makes an artist succeed. The elusive “IT” factor has to reveal itself early, and for me I have never seen it surface with Allison. She mumbles, she slurs, she over does her songs, she looks like someone trying to be a singer or entertainer not someone who is. She has no identity, no uniqueness, no charisma. She road on other’s coattails during idol and the tour and is, even now, being kept afloat by a friend’s generosity.

    Allison may make a living as a solo artist, someday, but not now. She needs to give it a rest, regroup, and figure out who she is. I just hope that she doesn’t “open” for Adam during his international phase of his tour.

  101. i don’t believe the record company and the labels care if you are a tv fan, or a music fan – they care about the money whatever type of ‘fan’ buying the product is interested in shelling out.

    I think the point they were trying to make is that the TV fans that an Idol gains during their run on the show do not always translate into music buying fans. If those TV fans all went on to buy the Idols albums, the record company would be thrilled to have them. Unfortunately that’s not what happens these days.

  102. In all the years I’m following Idol every single time an artist disappears from the labels site that normally means they were dropped or left, even Clay most recently IIRC simply just disappeared off the RCA site. I dont ever recall labels issuing big publicized press releases. Maybe they think it saves the artist some embarrassment?

    I dont get the shock here though. Jive may be a nurturing label but in the end they have to make SOME money, even single sales could help that if you cant move albums. Allison didnt even have that. They gave the girl THREE singles which is more than most people even get.

  103. I guess your mileage may vary on Allison. She’s only going to get better as she matures, but I for one, connected to her perfectly well. Love her voice, love her performances. I find her charismatic and unique. I think her interviews are HILARIOUS and appreciate that she DOESN’T come off as some well-rehearsed pageant bot. Not that her interviews would affect the sales of her album one way or the other in any case.

    While all of the blame should not be laid at the feet of Jive–I think there are probably all sorts of factors at work here, including some timing issues–I would not blame Allison either. Sometimes, these things just don’t work out. Show business is a difficult and competitive business.

  104. The elusive “IT” factor has to reveal itself early, and for me I have never seen it surface with Allison. She mumbles, she slurs, she over does her songs, she looks like someone trying to be a singer or entertainer not someone who is. She has no identity, no uniqueness, no charisma. She road on other’s coattails during idol and the tour and is, even now, being kept afloat by a friend’s generosity.

    I respect your POV but I just feel so, so differently. I think that Allison has miles and miles of uniqueness and charisma to back up her stunning voice. I’m sure that she will mature and grow, but I certainly hope that she doesn’t change who she is. The masses are not always right, and the common denominator does not always equal art.

  105. She has no identity, no uniqueness, no charisma.

    To me, as a person, she has all this, but as an artist yes, she is a generic as it gets.

  106. I think the point they were trying to make is that the TV fans that an Idol gains during their run on the show do not always translate into music buying fans. If those TV fans all went on to buy the Idols albums, the record company would be thrilled to have them. Unfortunately that’s not what happens these days.

    i got the point, lol… we’ve known for quite some time that idol votes and fans do not equal or equate to cd or single sales after the show… idol alums still have a big advantage over the ‘new’ artist in that respect the first year, and even going forward into the second year and beyond, if they have played their cards well. unless they crashed and burned really badly, they still can retain and have a sizable portion of that idol base with them beyond the debut year, and hopefully pick up new fans to complement this base. having a hard fanbase cushion these days is becoming vital. when cd or singles sales fall off, an artist can still stay afloat touring, selling merchandise, and taking advantage of other opportunities. people still have to have some interest in seeing you, shelling out for tix and such, so this is where i think the alums have another advantage. they are recognizable /familiar to many from being on tv, and this can become a tool for promoting and marketing them in ventures outside of the recording arena…

  107. I actually thought Jive would drop Allison during Xmas but if this is for real, I guess Labor Day weekend was the holiday of choice.

    I’m not that surprised. Unfortunately that “likeability” thing really matters especially for teen girls. Allison really never had that. Jive had tremendous faith in her and she really got good collaborators. Max Martin works with Kelly and I guess they were hoping they’d get Kelly V. 2 but that didn’t happen.

    I’m not sure where her career goes from here but I could see her being a lead singer for a rock or punk band.

  108. I wonder if Ali’s issues don’t just boil down to confidence. I suspect there is a whole lot behind her that we just don’t know. Maybe a little maturity will set her on the right road in the future.

  109. She road on other’s coattails during idol and the tour and is, even now, being kept afloat by a friend’s generosity.

    Yes he has been generous but only because he wants to be…because he’s a loyal friend and because he believes in her talent. I think its a stretch to say she’s been riding his or anybody else’s coattails and I think touring with him overseas would actually do her good since she’s virtually unknown there.
    I still think she could be successful but she needs better and more original material…and better self-promotion. I read in this interview they asked her why she didnt connect “in a bigger way” she said it was because ppl dont bother to listen to her music, which may be true in some cases but I think she needs to realize its more complicated than that. Here is the article for those interested:

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ent/7185927.html

  110. OvenMitt:
    09/05/2010 at 4:22 pm
    I just had a thought: what is Slezak gonna think of all this?!

    Hasn’t he moved on to Crystal? lol

  111. Hasn’t he moved on to Crystal? lol

    Well then, he’s got a whole other set of issues to worry about! She’s already locking horns with Jive, and her album hasn’t even come out yet. He sure can pick ’em, huh?

  112. Slezak likes the girls with the big voices – Carly Smithson, Allison. He usually goes completely OTT with his praise. But it’s a nice change from folks like Lindsay Parker who do the same with the guys off the show.

    By the way I totally agree with whoever said radio play trumps opening for a bigger star. Big markets like NY and LA can give you close to 1 million ears a day. You never match that on any tour. However I still think the absolute best launch for an Idol is a)massive radio hit plus b)opening for a huge act in your genre. Not easy to achieve but what a great launch to a career.

  113. Olly Murs (X Factor UK 2009 runner up) has #1 single in the UK this week.

    Olly Murs has beaten Katy Perry to the top of the UK singles chart with his debut track ‘Please Don’t Let Me Go’.

    The 26-year-old singer surged ahead of Perry’s ‘Teenage Dream’, the second single from her album of the same name, making him the ninth X Factor alumnus to have achieved this feat.

    The song’s success means that fans can now look forward to a naked spread of Murs in Heat magazine, which the star committed to last month.

    Source

  114. I like Allison and think she’s got a load of talent. Don’t know why she didn’t connect with an audience.

    Hopefully, with a few years she’ll mature and come back stronger. I still think that, for me, she was the most attractive/talented of the AI8 bunch and there were some talented people in that group.

  115. The video (that MJ posted up at the top) of Archie vlogging from the Las Vegas hotel for the Jerry Lewis MDA telethon was, at one point, the number 1 most shared Nonprofit video today.

    Screen Capture

  116. Maybe Alison has another deal lined up and wanted to get out of her current contract?? Maybe someone has shown an interest in taking her career a different direction? I hope so…I think that getting out from under Adam’s shadow might be a good thing at this point.

  117. As far as I know, Allison is still managed by 19M who also manage Adam and Kris.

  118. I’m with MJ. I connect to Allison just fine, I find her goofiness and addiction to making facing at the camera endearing, and I loved her set when I saw Glam Nation. I bought her album as soon as it was released, and while it may not be groundbreaking or anything, what Idol debut album is? I still play the hell out of it.

    Unfortunately the stars didn’t align for her this time around. That doesn’t mean the ride is over for her, she’s got a ton of talent.

  119. [code]Mateja:
    09/05/2010 at 4:34 pm
    Olly Murs (X Factor UK 2009 runner up) has #1 single in the UK this week.

    Olly Murs has beaten Katy Perry to the top of the UK singles chart with his debut track ‘Please Don’t Let Me Go’.

    The 26-year-old singer surged ahead of Perry’s ‘Teenage Dream’, the second single from her album of the same name, making him the ninth X Factor alumnus to have achieved this feat.

    The song’s success means that fans can now look forward to a naked spread of Murs in Heat magazine, which the star committed to last month.

    Source [/code]

    MJ, I remember you saying that you didn’t think Olly would find himself a genre

  120. While all of the blame should not be laid at the feet of Jive–I think there are probably all sorts of factors at work here, including some timing issues–I would not blame Allison either.

    Sometimes, these things just don’t work out

    .

    Show business is a difficult and competitive business

    .

    This blaming the label is really ridiculous. Allison has had some opportunities that others would die for. It’s not like she was sabotaged. Her cd was really good. CD reviews were good. She’s had some venues where she could showcase her songs on tv and this entire summer via Adam’s tour. She just didn’t break. It’s as simple as that. She had how many singles released, and the remake with Orianthi. I can’t really blame Jive.

  121. Really didn’t like the bathroom talk on her twitter account. It was tacky and gross. 18 or any age- some things are best left unsaid. If she needs image improvement, this imo, was not a fine moment.

  122. Maybe Alison has another deal lined up and wanted to get out of her current contract?? Maybe someone has shown an interest in taking her career a different direction? I hope so…I think that getting out from under Adam’s shadow might be a good thing at this point.

    To be honest, she’s had such a terrible track record that I don’t see how any record label would see her as a viable investment at this point. And she tour with Adam mainly because it was that or nothing.

    I think it’s pretty much over with Allison and Jive. I’m not sure if there is even going to be any formal announcement. But I don’t think it’s a coincidence at all that this type of news broke over a long holiday weekend.

  123. Not to sound insensitive or anything, but I’m just excited to hear David’s new song tonight on MDA! Wish it wasn’t at midnight, but oh well. He is such a gol-darn cutie all the time.

  124. I’m a casual Allison fan so all I really want to say is if she is getting dropped I hope some other label picks her up quick. I did not go back and read all the posts but I think part of the problem is how to market an 18 year old girl who has the singing voice of a 30 something year old. She has time to mature and grow into it. I hope we will be hearing more from her.

  125. Oh nooo! I just read about what may be going on with Allison. That is really awful. That kid has so much potential. I think she just as to grow into herself. Mayb Atlantic/warner would be better. I think they have been great for Jason Castro.

  126. I guess your mileage may vary on Allison. She’s only going to get better as she matures, but I for one, connected to her perfectly well. Love her voice, love her performances. I find her charismatic and unique. I think her interviews are HILARIOUS and appreciate that she DOESN’T come off as some well-rehearsed pageant bot. Not that her interviews would affect the sales of her album one way or the other in any case.

    While all of the blame should not be laid at the feet of Jive–I think there are probably all sorts of factors at work here, including some timing issues–I would not blame Allison either. Sometimes, these things just don’t work out. Show business is a difficult and competitive business.

    ITA. It’s a bit too simplistic to blame either Allison or Jive for any lack of success. It’s often a matter of not being the right person (person being defined as the total product) at the right time. Tough business. If she did get dropped, I’m hoping she does get some other opportunities, because she has a voice that’s absolutely worthy of them.

  127. Mayb Atlantic/warner would be better. I think they have been great for Jason Castro.

    Didn’t Jason Castro sell fewer cds than Allison his first week despite all of his promotion, an EP, and touring? I don’t think she would want to trade.

  128. In my opinion Allison has an amazing voice. She does not have problems with lack of personality, good/bad interviews, good/bad live performances. Maybe I am wrong, but her main problem is that she is not the tipical pretty teen singer, without the advantages for having blonde hair or blue eyes. To be honest, teen boys and girls are always looking for the prettiest girls as the singer to follow. Beeing a cute guy is enough for the girls. Allison is beautiful, but not that pretty girl that appeals to the teen mass, maybe due to her latin looks. Even Shakira changed her looks and hair to blonde in order to look more american and appeal to the mass.

  129. tripp_ncwy:
    09/05/2010 at 6:00 pm
    Mayb Atlantic/warner would be better. I think they have been great for Jason Castro.

    Didn’t Jason Castro sell fewer cds than Allison his first week despite all of his promotion, an EP, and touring? I don’t think she would want to trade.

    I don’t remember Alli’s numbers. I think JC sold just under 30 K which is pretty good 2 years out from his season. But what I meant was that they seem more interested in letting him develop as an artist verses just making a ton of money off of him in the short run. But I think he has done well with them wrt to his touring and shows. And he did that huge guest appearance in Norway I think.

  130. In my opinion Allison has an amazing voice. She does not have problems with lack of personality, good/bad interviews, good/bad live performances. Maybe I am wrong, but her main problem is that she is not the tipical pretty teen singer, without the advantages for having blonde hair or blue eyes. To be honest, teen boys and girls are always looking for the prettiest girls as the singer to follow. Beeing a cute guy is enough for the girls. Allison is beautiful, but not that pretty girl that appeals to the teen mass, maybe due to her latin looks. Even Shakira changed her looks and hair to blonde in order to look more american and appeal to the mass.

    Bingo! ITA. Im glad someone on here said it. I sort of hinted at it in an earlier post but I didnt want to go there because there are some touchy implicated subjects involved that might offend some ppl but its the truth…or at least part if it.

  131. In my opinion Allison has an amazing voice. She does not have problems with lack of personality, good/bad interviews, good/bad live performances. Maybe I am wrong, but her main problem is that she is not the tipical pretty teen singer, without the advantages for having blonde hair or blue eyes. To be honest, teen boys and girls are always looking for the prettiest girls as the singer to follow. Beeing a cute guy is enough for the girls. Allison is beautiful, but not that pretty girl that appeals to the teen mass, maybe due to her latin looks. Even Shakira changed her looks and hair to blonde in order to look more american and appeal to the mass.

    Blonde hair and blue eyes? Then how do you explain the successes of Demi Lovato, Selena Gomez and Miranda Cosgrove? Even Miley has more brownish than blondish hair. Of course, all those girls also have cable sitcoms in addition to a recording contract. If it’s anything to do with image, it’s the disparity between her voice and her youth, IMO. She’s not emo enough for the emo group, and not sunny ennough for the set who buys Demi, Selena, Miranda and Miley. She needs to wear down the tread on her tires, so to speak, before she can connect with the right audience in relation to her talents.

  132. Then how do you explain the successes of Demi Lovato, Selena Gomez and Miranda Cosgrove? Even Miley has more brownish than blondish hair

    Sorry, but they are the best example of pretty teens that appeals to the teen mass,without the advantages for having blonde hair or blue eyes.

  133. Well the last numbers I saw for Jason Castro was 1st week sales 20,000(34,000 as of May 2010). His EP was 7,000 back in Jan. He ended up in a similar place as Allison and not getting any substanial radio play. His website has no current shows listed for him. He has not toured since early spring I think. I don’t know how patient they are going to be with him either.

  134. she’s not emo enough for the emo group, and not sunny ennough for the set who buys Demi, Selena, Miranda and Miley.

    I think this is it. She is not the boucy, sweet, sunny girl next door type. She is actually a little rough around the edges. And she really does not know how to engage people. I noticed this when I met her on the ideal tour. But I think she can totally learn to do this. She is tour with the one of the best people persons on the planet. Adam could charm a jew hating KKK granpa.

  135. Does anyone think Allison’s fanbase on AI8 was really teens though? I’m not sure how much teen boys vote for AI, and the teen girls I understood were supposed to be squeeing over Kris for the most part.

    My guess was that Allison’s AI core fanbase was probably adults who liked rock and thought she had a good voice, and for a lot of them she may not have been their first favorite but more a second or third favorite to Adam or one of the other top 5. So there may have just been a basic disconnect with that fanbase to buy her very young/pop-oriented album, but they were counting on the teen audience to relate to her and support her music. Which seems not to have happened to any great degree.

  136. …I think that getting out from under Adam’s shadow might be a good thing at this point.

    I don’t know what this means but surely it is not Adam’s fault that Allison has not done as well as she should have. He has done nothing but support her, and his fans for the most part have love for Allison. This tour has been a great experience for Alli, I know she has mentioned her nerves as being a factor before performing. With each show she has been given another chance to conquer her nerves and with that comes more confidence and experience. All a good thing. I believe that even if it turns out to be true that Jive indeed dropped her, that Allison will be signed again even if it is not a big label. She will continue come up with new material and put out more records. She will come up with a hit eventually and sell big. If she does not give up and goes for it, it will happen! This does not make her a failure, it just means she has to go back to the drawing board.

  137. Its not just her looks that I believe fully.. Lady Gaga is totally different looking. Its a combination of many of the comments posted here.

  138. selena: 09/05/2010 at 5:41 pm Really didn’t like the bathroom talk on her twitter account. It was tacky and gross. 18 or any age- some things are best left unsaid. If she needs image improvement, this imo, was not a fine moment.

    Yep, gross. I don’t read her twitter account regularly but this most recent series about her bathroom angst is not the first such episode she has tweeted about. Crappy marketing, literally.

  139. Yep, gross. I don’t read her twitter account regularly but this most recent series about her bathroom angst is not the first such episode she has tweeted about. Crappy marketing, literally.

    But its funny when Kris tweets about peeing regularly….

  140. Does anyone think Allison’s fanbase on AI8 was really teens though? I’m not sure how much teen boys vote for AI, and the teen girls I understood were supposed to be squeeing over Kris for the most part.

    My guess was that Allison’s AI core fanbase was probably adults who liked rock and thought she had a good voice, and for a lot of them she may not have been their first favorite but more a second or third favorite to Adam or one of the other top 5. So there may have just been a basic disconnect with that fanbase to buy her very young/pop-oriented album, but they were counting on the teen audience to relate to her and support her music. Which seems not to have happened to any great degree.

    Of all of the theories that are getting tossed out, this one probably makes the most sense. Even if she was the favorite of a lot of people, they were people who really loved her voice on the show and thought she had a lot of potential, not the teen market Jive seems somewhat to have mistaken them for. That’s hard, though; it’s nigh impossible to sell somebody on the label of being talented alone.

    And it’s not like she really had a whole lot of individual momentum coming out of the show, even though she performed extremely well.

    She may ultimately become more of a niche rock artist, and that would be really good for her. It seems like the whole pop/rock thing may not quite work with her, though. Hardly a sin.

  141. Sorry, but they are the best example of pretty teens that appeals to the teen mass,without the advantages for having blonde hair or blue eyes.

    I misunderstood your comment. I thought you meant that ALLISON herself didn’t have the blonde/blue-eyed advantage. didn’t realize you were using that as a qualifier in terms of other current successful teen pop females. But I would ask, are there any really popular teen pop females WITH blonde hair and blue eyes? Racking my brain to try and think of one, but can only think of 20-somethings.

  142. ^^ Miley & Taylor off the top of my head.

    I could probably come up with more if I had a pre-teen in the house.

  143. I haven’t read through all of the comments (not enough time right now) but is it possible that Allison and Orianthi are putting together a girl band with a name change? It would definitely explain why her name has disappeared before a public announcement. Both girls have said publically that they have talked about it, right?

    And then again, maybe it’s just wishful thinking.

  144. This tour has been a great experience for Alli, I know she has mentioned her nerves as being a factor before performing. With each show she has been given another chance to conquer her nerves and with that comes more confidence and experience

    Sagi – this is why my comment ended “at this point.” I meant nothing against Adam…I’m just thinking she at this point might benefit from moving forward in another direction. Maybe not…I was just speculating.

  145. ^^ Miley & Taylor off the top of my head.

    I could probably come up with more if I had a pre-teen in the house.

    I’ll give you Taylor (even though she IS 20 now, she broke as a teen), but I still say Miley has brown hair, hehe.

    It’s funny, I have 3 pre-teen/teenage sisters, and only the eldest, quasi-emo/punk sister liked Allison. I bought Alli”s album for her and she loved it. But, that sister is, to put it gently, a bit of an oddball. The other two sisters, I got tickets for the Idol concert this year, and they flipped out over Katie Stevens. I can totally imagine Katie singing the exact same songs as Allison did on her album, and being better received. She just seems to align with that demographic, with her peers, much better than Allison did. Even if Allison placed higher on Idol, I think that’s attributed to what others have said upthread, that older voters saw her potential and rooted for her through votes. But Jive threw that potential audience out the window when they picked songs and marketing tactics for Allison. Teen girls may have been voting for Tim and Lee, but I bet they would buy a Katie Stevens album just because they see themselves, or their aspirational selves, in Katie. Just thinking via my keyboard…..

  146. Sorry that Allison has dropped by JIVE, but that’s the reality of music today. You either produce enough to make the record company happy or you are let go. She did not have one good performance on tv and she certainly wasn’t gaining enough fans on GNT to boost her album sales. I always thought she was too immature as a person and artist to succeed. Whoever is managing her need to change strategies and get her in a band. Allison is just not ready to handle being a solo artist. I am not saying she’s a failure or not talented, just that she needs some time to grow up.

  147. This blaming the label is really ridiculous. Allison has had some opportunities that others would die for. It’s not like she was sabotaged.

    Were you quoting my post for a reason? Nowhere in my post did I say anything like that.

    I was merely sticking up for Allison after a flurry of posts that basically said she tanked because she sucked and did not try hard enough. A notion I disagree with wholeheartedly.

  148. I can totally imagine Katie singing the exact same songs as Allison did on her album, and being better received. She just seems to align with that demographic, with her peers, much better than Allison did. Even if Allison placed higher on Idol, I think that’s attributed to what others have said upthread, that older voters saw her potential and rooted for her through votes. But Jive threw that potential audience out the window when they picked songs and marketing tactics for Allison. Teen girls may have been voting for Tim and Lee, but I bet they would buy a Katie Stevens album just because they see themselves, or their aspirational selves, in Katie. Just thinking via my keyboard…..

    I 100% agree with this. I think Allison is not a teen draw. She’s not what/who a tween/teen girl is going to look to become in the large part. Katie on hte other hand is easier for the general teen audience to accept. While she does have pageant-like tendencies (which is what really killed her on idol) she’s still way more relatable to the average girl then Allison is.

  149. Ovenmitt – ita

    Before we even heard the music,but saw the cover I inwardly cringed. The whole visual and especially the text treatment screamed “teen”. She doesn’t have the maturity to appeal to college age or the teen ideal of what is pretty. Preteen and teens alike spend an enormous amount time trying conforming to their peers, so Allison doesn’t scream cookie cutter. I really think that she needs to hook up with an experienced band.

  150. Wow, Allison was expected to do so well after Idol, but to be honest she has put out pure dreck, and has sounded pretty weak in the live performances I’ve watched, too. I liked her on the show, but post-idol…not so much.

    Funny, but everyone thought Danny Gokey would be a nobody after Idol, but to tell you the truth he’s looking as strong as anyone form that class right now.

  151. I 100% agree with this. I think Allison is not a teen draw. She’s not what/who a tween/teen girl is going to look to become in the large part. Katie on hte other hand is easier for the general teen audience to accept. While she does have pageant-like tendencies (which is what really killed her on idol) she’s still way more relatable to the average girl then Allison is.

    Yup. And having met both of them in person, I can say that, based on my brief impressions, Katie is warm, friendly and engaging with her fans. She actually had a minute-long phone conversation with a fan’s friend while signing autographs to prove it was really her. Allison kept her head down, barely glanced up much less made eye contact, and just seemed to want to get it all over with. Now, that was a year ago, and it was the first concert of the tour, but it was very telling to me. I know everyone is different, but when you have these opportunities, you must take advantage of them. Both girls were the same age, were in the same elite group, and Allison even had an advantage of securing a major label deal. You must interact with your fans and give them a reason to keep being fans. It’s the ones waiting at the barricades who are loyal enough to keep you afloat in tough times like these.

  152. Negativo have you heard her live or just off of what is on YT? No more than just curious- I don’t have an opinion.

  153. Before we even heard the music,but saw the cover I inwardly cringed. The whole visual and especially the text treatment screamed “teen”. She doesn’t have the maturity to appeal to college age or the teen ideal of what is pretty. Preteen and teens alike spend an enormous amount time trying conforming to their peers, so Allison doesn’t scream cookie cutter. I really think that she needs to hook up with an experienced band.

    I know the feeling. A soon as I heard the first strains of FIBOY (which, BTW, I had to join some “mob” to be able to listen to), I thought, “Well, this isn’t for my demographic” (I’m 30) and just bought the CD for my sister as a form of support. It was like, a wall came down because I knew I wasn’t who was supposed to be listening to that album. Sads.

  154. smeggingnuts:
    09/05/2010 at 7:32 pm

    So they released FYE as the next single in Austraila today

    Very cool that they released FYE in Australia. The Aussies are gonna love it. And I think they will go nuts over the MV. I still love this song and I think the MV is Adam’s best one.

  155. koshka:
    09/05/2010 at 7:40 pm
    Negativo have you heard her live or just off of what is on YT? No more than just curious- I don’t have an opinion.

    Not Negativo but I wasn’t impressed with Alli’s album but she is great live. But it was one of those I’m at a concert, the music’s good, I’m having fun…then go home and forget about it. At least thats what it was like for me.

  156. koshka:
    09/05/2010 at 7:40 pm
    Negativo have you heard her live or just off of what is on YT? No more than just curious- I don’t have an opinion.

    Just going off her album plus her YT and TV performances.

  157. Idk I liked, but didn’t love the album. With that said my favorite female artists include pink and Kelly – which allison reminds me of.

  158. Funny, but everyone thought Danny Gokey would be a nobody after Idol, but to tell you the truth he’s looking as strong as anyone form that class right now.

    Not everyone thought that, lol!

  159. Not sure how I feel about FYE as the single in Australia. I’d rather it was a new song. I’d feel better about the chances of a 4th single here in the US if it was a new song.

  160. he’s looking as strong as anyone form that class right now.

    Uhhh I beg to differ.

  161. Haven’t followed Gokey at all. Anyone wanna give a quick update? If so, thanks.

  162. lorismile:
    09/05/2010 at 7:49 pm
    Not sure how I feel about FYE as the single in Australia. I’d rather it was a new song. I’d feel better about the chances of a 4th single here in the US if it was a new song.

    We are still waiting for an announcement about NZ, right? They already had FYE released there and I believe it went gold (don’t quote me on this).

  163. TheDavidCook
    hope everyone is having a fantastical Sunday. working on a cool song idea with @MrRaineMaida 3 minutes ago via web

  164. Haven’t followed Gokey at all. Anyone wanna give a quick update? If so, thanks.

    Me too.. what are the album sales like?

  165. Very cool that they released FYE in Australia. The Aussies are gonna love it. And I think they will go nuts over the MV. I still love this song and I think the MV is Adam’s best one.

    I’m really excited to see how it will do in Australia. It went to #10 in NZ. The video is already paid for. This would be his 3rd hit single there if it does well. I don’t think it will get the intense reaction it got from US radio pds at all. Good luck Adam!

  166. koshka:
    09/05/2010 at 7:58 pm

    Haven’t followed Gokey at all. Anyone wanna give a quick update? If so, thanks.

    Me too.. what are the album sales like?

    Per Brian’s last Idol chatter:

    album: Danny Gokey, My Best Days (1,000, -7%, 181,000

  167. Haven’t followed Gokey at all. Anyone wanna give a quick update? If so, thanks.

    He’s done very well, actually.

    http://www.sonymusicnashville.com/pressreleases/details.cfm?artistid=1000045&pressid=1000911

    Nashville, TN – 19 Recordings/RCA Nashville recording artist Danny Gokey powers his way into the chart record books this week, as his March 2 debut album, My Best Days, brought out the fans, with first-week sales of more than 65,000 copies, according to Nielsen SoundScan. The accomplishment nets Gokey the best opening-week sales by a debut country male since 1992.

    The soaring success of My Best Days includes a sizzling digital album tally in excess of 19,000 downloads, according to Nielsen SoundScan, earning Danny a #1 berth in chart history with the best first-week digital album sales ever recorded by a debut country act.

  168. The last I heard Danny’s album sales were like 180,000+. I can’t remember the exact number. But he is getting pretty good radio spins I hear? That’s just what I have picked up on from Idol Chatter and media threads here.

  169. Sorry MJ, quotation fail. I meant to add that I in fact agree with you and said pretty much the same thing you said earlier…..I just wanted to reiterate it because of the Jive blame game. I am a fan, brought the cd, etc.

  170. Per Brian’s last Idol chatter:

    album: Danny Gokey, My Best Days (1,000, -7%, 181,000

    Not bad, considering..

  171. The idea that Katie Steven’s is a more feasible artist because she’s cute and friendly sets my teeth on edge. I do understand it however. Teen girls would be totally threatened by her. She’s the kind who steals your boyfriend and you don’t get why, cause you’re cuter. She quirky, a bit dangerous, and totally a non-conformer. So Katie will be perfect. She’d even probably show some skin and sex it up if she had too. Perfect teen popstar. Ugh.

  172. Haven’t followed Gokey at all. Anyone wanna give a quick update? If so, thanks.

    Ok, sure. Danny’s team has been exclusively following a strategy to establish him for a long-term career as a country artist. In that respect, he’s not taking over the universe but I believe he is doing quite respectably.

    – has been touring for both solo dates and opening for others all year, building as he goes to where he now has a full 5-6 person band behind him doing up to 90 minute concerts with some 16-17 songs.
    – Haven’t counted but he’s done many many concert dates in different contexts all around the country–quite possibly well over a hundred by now.
    – Opened some 20+ dates for Sugarland this spring/summer
    – Played four times so far at the Grand Ole Opry. Second appearance at the Country Music Hall of Fame for an autograph session coming up in November.
    – Opened other dates for Lady Antebellum (one last Thursday), Keith Urban and Tim McGraw, among others. He is really establishing himself as being an effective touring act who can “put butts in seats” as one of my fellow Danny fans likes to say.
    – Most places he goes with anyone except top-name or well-established acts, Danny is the closing act. If there are other country newcomers at the same event, they usually get lower billing and perform first.
    – Putting together his own tour for the fall. (No details yet, presumably waiting on a press release.)

    Sold ~180,000 albums to date, which by a considerable margin is the second-best debut album this year by any new country artist (first is Easton Corbin, who is touted as the second coming of George Strait and was in the 200,000-250,000 range last I saw). There is a big gap between Easton and Danny and any other newcomers this year.
    – Sold ~65k albums his first week, highest by any new male country act in 18 years, also setting a record for most digital downloads.
    – First single reached #22 on the country chart, second one has been out for ~2 months and reached #32 this weekend. Could hope to see this higher but compares very favorably to most other newbies and also to Danny’s more established labelmates Jake Owen and Chuck Wicks on their last singles.
    – Music videos have been a fixture on both the GAC Top 20 and CMT Pure top 12
    – important to Danny, also has been growing the programs for his non-profit foundation, setting up music and arts programs for kids in Milwaukee and Nashville. He’s also done a ton of charity appearances and concerts for St. Jude’s and numerous other causes around the country.
    – Seems to be well-accepted both personally and for his music by the Nashville community. It helps that he is personable, can seriously sing, and has a lotta fans — three things that were pretty obvious as he went around on his radio tour and made other early appearances. A number of radio stations have mentioned that they got a really good turnout / response for events they sponsored with Danny. And the radio peeps see in person that people really like him and enjoy his concerts, which are fun and energetic. So he tends to get invited back.
    – Was the only performer to sing for Wynonna at her honors gala recently at the TN governor’s mansion recently. Previously sang at another honors event for Brooks & Dunn.
    – Though he didn’t make the final lists of nominees, considered in at least the first round nominations for some country music awards this fall (ICMs, for ex).
    ETA: Endorsement deal with Wisconsin Vision, some other endorsement / promo partnerships also, including Clorox, Pillsbury, Folgers in various ways.

    All with exactly one major national tv appearance, which was the single time on AI8. Danny has a smart management team, and they seem very committed to taking good care of him and growing his career. Really can’t complain although would love to see him all over my tv screen and with a top 10 country hit in due course.

  173. Haven’t followed Gokey at all. Anyone wanna give a quick update? If so, thanks.

    On radio Danny’s had two Top 40 Country hits (“My Best Days” and “I Will Not Say Good-bye”), 1 Top 30 Country hit (MBD), and I think that his 2nd single IWNSGB could at least end up a Top 30 Country hit as well. Maybe better. It’s already moving at better pace, than MBD did at this stage.

  174. If Allison really has been dropped, that’s a real bummer. But I also noticed something interesting looking at Jive’s website (which I’d never really looked at before) – they’ve got a much wider range of artists than people have generally talked about. Tool, Three Days Grace, Apocalyptica – seems several of the things I’d heard about Jive might not be totally true. First of all, they seem to have no issue with a broader range of artists…they’re not just R&B and pop. Second – and more importantly, at this point – they may not be quite as patient as far as developing an artist as people have said. It’s a bummer for Allison, but it also does make me a little concerned for Crystal too. I tend to think Crystal will have a bigger fanbase to start with than Allison did, but hopefully she has the sales then when her album drops.

    I’ve also read of Allison’s self-promotion – or her lack of it. To me, that seems to be the biggest issue. It almost seems that even though they have management, they still need to be their own best promotion and Allison may have failed herself there. I don’t worry about Crystal in that aspect because she seems well aware of what she should be saying and doing – she herself seems to represent her own music in her way of being. From what I read, many people see a disconnect between Allison as a person, and Allison’s music. People can sense that.

  175. Nashville, TN – 19 Recordings/RCA Nashville recording artist Danny Gokey powers his way into the chart record books this week, as his March 2 debut album, My Best Days, brought out the fans, with first-week sales of more than 65,000 copies, according to Nielsen SoundScan. The accomplishment nets Gokey the best opening-week sales by a debut country male since 1992.

    The soaring success of My Best Days includes a sizzling digital album tally in excess of 19,000 downloads, according to Nielsen SoundScan, earning Danny a #1 berth in chart history with the best first-week digital album sales ever recorded by a debut country act.

    These are good credits to Danny, but this was his debut and really reflects his idol popularity, since then he has seen nothing close to that debut. He has been selling approx. 1000 CD copies a week. Which is not a bad thing, but not extraordinary either. He has a lot of fans, and I am sure that will sustain him to continue a comfortable career. Country is a tough act, there are so many artist, old and new, putting out hits that its hard to be on top.

  176. If Alli’s guitarist is trying to trend, I guess it’s probably a done deal.

    DavidImmerman

    RT @TeamIraheta: #weloveuallison START TRENDING GUYS!! ;D

  177. (Matt, Sarver or Anoop?),

    I hope things work out for all three of those guys but especially Anoop and Matt. Anoop is my other favorite from Season 8 and the first contestant from that season that I really connected to. And Matt is my third favorite from that season. And I like Michael.

    I think all three of them have had at least some minor success. Matt with his song being played on AC, and getting close to Top 20 on that format. Michael with getting a label, and Anoop’s music is starting to get some recognition on places like Iheartradio, where he’s an artist to watch over there.

    Plus he’s featured on one of the biggest A&R sites out there (“crazedhits.com). I like his single “All is Fair” (Crazy Love) and hope that song will get more attention. I think it has a nice sound to it, plus I think he did a good job co-writing it.

  178. But I also noticed something interesting looking at Jive’s website (which I’d never really looked at before) – they’ve got a much wider range of artists than people have generally talked about. Tool, Three Days Grace, Apocalyptica – seems several of the things I’d heard about Jive might not be totally true.

    The website not only removed Allison but it is also adding additional artists. Some of those that are now there were not there previously that I had noticed. In the begining I kind of thought Kris didn’t fit Jive but then they signed Ry Cuming. Ry is more in the singer/songwriter persona than Kris. They also have a female Marit Larsen who is singer/songwriter so Crystal is not alone.

  179. I don’t really believe in comparing too much, but seems to me Adam has done the best although suffers from the highest, possibly media-overhyped expectations. Between Danny and Kris, single sales, no doubt advantage to Kris. On the radio charts, advantage to Kris with single #1; too early to say for single #2. Kris has more album sales, but if you normalize for genre and promo differences I’d see Danny and Kris both doing ok as far as album sales impact in a tough year. Danny is the second-best selling new country act this year. I don’t know where Kris or Adam fall if you were to ask that question for pop acts.
    Danny IMO has the advantage over Kris so far in establishing himself as a touring act. Danny has had various endorsement deals also, not sure if that applies to Kris. Allison doesn’t seem to fare well in any category I can think of, unfortunately, though I do think she’s someone who has potential to do well as she and her music mature more. Behind those four, I’m not sure who on the AI8 top 10 is doing best.

    I still hold out some hope for Megan, lol. Michael completely baffles me lately. His single made it on CMT and GAC at least briefly, but there didn’t seem to be an effort to get it on radio, and now his album sold barely any copies he’s (wth) doing a Christmas album? And he doesn’t seem to be doing anything that looks like a serious attempt at concert dates to support his music.

    Matt seems to be doing well with the Jim Brickman collaboration and his Anna Wilson duet, plus various concert dates and appearances. And Scott seems to get booked for various concert events around the country, even overseas in one case. Don’t know that much about Anoop, and never hear much at all on Lil. Hopefully they are all at least making a living with their music, between things we know about and private events they can get paid for.

  180. I think it’s fair to say that Danny has exceeded expectations, even those of fans who just love him to bits. I always thought he’d be able to have a career in music b/c I think his voice is just stunning. But biggest male country debut in 18 years and overall sales of a debut country artist this year 2nd only to Easton Corbin…I am thrilled with how he’s doing. I think that guy has a very bright future ahead of him and deservedly so.

    About Allison, I hope that whatever change is happening will lead to something better for her. She has a unique and powerful voice, and with a little time to grow into it I think she can make a place for herself in music. I don’t count her out by any means.

  181. @idolsnow: “If I Had You” by @adamlambert holding at #9 in 11th week on official singles chart in Australia.

    Wow, singles drop close together in OZ. Best to capitalize on momentum!

  182. I think it’s pretty clear that Allison has been dropped by Jive. Unlike a press release announcing a signing, record labels usually do not formally announce when some one’s option is not picked up – for the obvious. The same thing happened to Bo Bice a while back, when his name was not on RCA’s artist roster – and it was obvious he was dropped from his contract.

    After reading through the posts here, I am with the camp that the blame can’t just be with Jive. Allison also needs to take responsibility for mistakes, missed opportunities and bad decisions on her part. I don’t think there’s any question about her talent. But I do find her personality really annoying and off putting. And she really needs to work on her people and interview skills.

    But the real unfortunate thing with this entire situaiton is that I think most people saw this coming.

  183. I think Simon saw it coming in American idol. He sensed something about her personality/likability then.

  184. Looks like New Zealand gets their new single next week.

    SonyMusicNZ
    Re: Adam’s next NZ radio single will be taken out next week @kiwiglambert @nzglambert007

  185. girlygirl, not surprised we may disagree on that, no worries.

    Granted on the international touring, I should have made it clear I was talking strictly about touring to U.S. audiences. Danny has a lot of international fans who would love to see him go overseas, but it’s not typical for a country act and Danny’s made it pretty clear he has to build his career with attention to the basic foundation first. Danny’s first announced venture to perform outside the U.S. since the AI tour will be a solo date in Vancouver this fall.

    It would surprise me if Kris really has done more (U.S.) headlining gigs in front of more people than Danny. I do have a list of Danny’s dates, probably should count them up but he has been touring constantly all year. Where I had understood Kris did not start regularly touring until the spring sometime, and his events may be more variable in scale?

    As an opener, I think Danny got a little better deal with Sugarland than I’ve seen reported so far with Maroon 5 and BNL. Kris’s series of dates with KU seems like a better result for him as far as bigger arena-scale/festival-scale crowds.

    I’m not sure how big a revenue stream it is, enough I guess to have the merch guy traveling with Danny’s band on a regular basis. Danny sells several different styles of t-shirts, his CD, and glossy pics at his concert stops. With approval from RCA, he also sells m&g passes that benefit his non-profit foundation. (The non-profit also sells t-shirts, wristbands, not sure what else but not counting that.) He’s recently been talking about a goal to set up a fanclub sometime in 2011.

  186. steph6449

    Yeah, I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one. No worries, though :)

    FYI, Kris started touring last October — his first gig was the Miami Dolphins tailgate thing. So he’s been on the road pretty consistently for nearly a year now. Danny started touring with Sugarland in April, right? Did he do a lot of gigs before that?

    I don’t have a list of all the gigs Kris has played (although I might be able to piece one together), but I would venture to guess that between the acoustic in-studio things, the various radio station-sponsored shows, the headlining shows and the opening gigs, Kris has made close to twice as many appearances as Danny.

    Thanks for the info about the merchandise. All I ever heard about was the CD sales. It is very cool that Danny has come up with a way to have some of this revenue go to his foundation.

  187. The website not only removed Allison but it is also adding additional artists. Some of those that are now there were not there previously that I had noticed. In the begining I kind of thought Kris didn’t fit Jive but then they signed Ry Cuming. Ry is more in the singer/songwriter persona than Kris. They also have a female Marit Larsen who is singer/songwriter so Crystal is not alone.

    Ok then…well having not been aware of who all was on there before I wouldn’t have noticed any changes like you’re describing. Maybe Allison was a victim of the label also possibly trying to branch out in another direction too – maybe they sense a trend towards more of the singer/songwriter types in music in the near future and so they’re starting to look towards and pick up more of those acts. Allison not selling that well and not fitting that genre might have been two strikes if they were looking at cleaning house (even though at first glance she’d seem to fit the label better than someone like Crystal). It’s a shame though – you still never like to see someone lose out like that. But as has been said, if it’s in the cards for her to make it, she’ll refocus herself and maybe come out better for it in the end.

  188. selena:
    09/05/2010 at 9:27 pm
    I think Simon saw it coming in American idol. He sensed something about her personality/likability then.

    I’m going to have to side with Simon on this issue ;)

    I wonder if the Ford event will be as lame as it was last year? However, it will be good to see Lee performing again. I miss him already :)
    Is it around this time we should start to expect a single from Lee?

  189. Maybe Alli has known about this for a while? I am sure she would be the first to know. Maybe that is why I haven’t heard a peep from her on twitter for quite awhile. And her saying “this is what we have been waiting for all tour” at the show where she got a wild crowd reception. And also the tears in “Scars” at the last few shows?

  190. Danny IMO has the advantage over Kris so far in establishing himself as a touring act. Danny has had various endorsement deals also, not sure if that applies to Kris. Allison doesn’t seem to fare well in any category I can think of, unfortunately, though I do think she’s someone who has potential to do well as she and her music mature more. Behind those four, I’m not sure who on the AI8 top 10 is doing best.

    Respectfully, I have to disagree with this and call it a draw between them in terms of touring. I think both of them have had the advantage of opening for well-established artists and have been exposed to new audiences. I think the difference in the perception comes from the type of music that they are each involved with. Danny is in the Country music scene, which allows for certain highly desirable performance venues that mean a lot in the industry (Grand Ole Opry, etc.). Kris is in the much broader Pop/HAC genre which does not have anything comparable.

    In terms of sale, Kris and Danny right now appear to be pretty equal, both selling approximately 1000 a week, which I think is pretty good for them because as unfortunate as it might be for them, both are kind of living in the Adam Lambert shadow.

    As far as Adam, I think the problem was the overhype. If he hadn’t been as overhyped initially his sales would have a better appearance. Expectations for him were through the roof, which put more pressure on him then he should have had. Adam is doing well considering the state of the music industry, but he’s not living up to the overhype (Adam Storm?)

  191. Danny started touring with Sugarland in April, right? Did he do a lot of gigs before that?

    Actually by the time Danny got to the Sugarland Concerts in Late April, he had already done several solo club appearances, many group radio sponsored concerts and nearly 90 radio tour shows. So looking at that count he had 120+ concerts under his belt, if you add the 20 dates with Sugarland, numerous solo club dates and the private concerts that we know of..we are probably in the territory of 175+ dates.

    ETA: I’m not Steph but Danny’s album came out in March of this year, approx 12 weeks after Kris and has sold about 2/3 the amount. It really isn’t about who is doing better but how effectively their career is progressing.

  192. Since October last year Kris has done more than 100 gigs already (radio sponsored, overseas (asia and bahamas), solo, and opening) so i don’t think danny has an advantage or edge on this one.

  193. I don’t have a list of all the gigs Kris has played (although I might be able to piece one together), but I would venture to guess that between the acoustic in-studio things, the various radio station-sponsored shows, the headlining shows and the opening gigs, Kris has made close to twice as many appearances as Danny.

    But in all fairness, Kris also won American Idol, and the winner always gets more publicity, promotion, high profile opprotunities, compared to someone who finished in 3rd place. But on the flip side, higher expectations are also placed on the winner.

    It’s interesting when I think of someone like Kellie Pickler. She continues to be with the original label (19/BNA) she signed with after Idol, while Taylor Hicks and Katherine McPhee have long been dropped from their original labels. Now, Kelli Pickler hasn’t had the huge success of Carrie Underwood. Most of KP’s singles have charted in the teens and she’s only had 1 Top 10 song (with Taylor Shift), yet she continues to make a very good living with her music.

  194. Danny is doing pretty well, no matter if I (or anyone else) compares him with Kris (or Adam, for that matter). Same thing with Kris — he’s doing just fine, thanks very much. I am interested to see what kind of tour Danny’s management lines up for him this fall. Does anyone have any details about it yet in terms of when it will start or how long it’s expected to last or what size venues they plan to book?

  195. I think that Danny and Kris have both been working to keep their names/music out there. Danny’s done over 140 shows this year so far (His OS and various fansites/fan forums have done a pretty good job of keeping up with his appearances.) That includes like every thing he’s sung at, headline shows, shows w/sugarland, shows for his radio tour. Shows at various events, including fairs and stuff like that. He’s been working a lot to keep his name/music out there.

    I don’t know all that Kris has done, but I don’t doubt he’s been working to keep his name out there as well. It’s definitely important for the idols to take advantage of opportunities presented to them. And if they work steadily that will help them out and they could possibly make a decent living for themselves.

  196. Anyways, for something totally different…what sorts of stuff has been performed in the past for the Ford Day celebration? I’d imagine this would be kinda early for anything that might be from their debut albums, but on the other hand, if Crystal (and perhaps Lee as well, who knows) are going to have original material on their albums, would it be possible we’ll see some of that? Or will this basically be more of the same that we’ve heard so far?

  197. if you add the 20 dates with Sugarland, numerous solo club dates and the private concerts that we know of..we are probably in the territory of 175+ dates.

    It actually is like over 175+, for the end of 2009+ 2010 so far. It just goes to show that there can be lot of opportunities out there for the different idols. And if they work hard like Danny has and take advantage of those opportunities, it can definitely help them out in their careers.

    Whether they have major record deals or are unsigned right now trying to look for a label. If they’re unsigned they won’t have access to as many opportunities/gigs that the signed idols have, but they can still get opportunities for themselves, like booking gigs at different places.

  198. Eh, Adams promo was overhype if you hung out at idol boards and saw every bit of promo out there. For the average person out there, it probably wasn’t. Kris won the title of American Idol and that inherantly includes a lot of hype. As an Adam fan, I’m grateful for the success he’s had, am happy with the opportunities he seems to have for the future and just wish him success. I’m sure that’s the wish everyone has for their favorites. In fact, I’d hope it’s the wish we have for all these idol peeps, lord knows, they have the talent.

  199. I feel bad for Allison, but she is so young, that I think she can regroup and come out stronger. I wonder if she is eligible for X-Factor?

    I think Danny is doing very well and I can see him having some longevity in his career. I wasn’t a fan of his on the show, but I really enjoyed his set during the AI tour. He has a terrific voice and he likes to interact with the crowd so I see him doing well touring.

    By the way, I’m so looking forward to season 10. We will have new judges, Kristen from Idolatry will be back from maternity leave, overall, I think it might be interesting season. With any luck, Adam and Kris will be back to sing their next singles, and at a minimum, Kris will be back to give an update on the Haiti Relief progress (I would hope).

  200. Does anyone remember the statement Sony made a month ago when it announced that it would be severing ties with American Idol? Here it is again to refresh your memories:

    Sony issued its own statement: “After enjoying a successful relationship, Sony Music Entertainment wishes Simon Fuller and 19 Entertainment well in this transitional period for the American Idol franchise. We look forward to continuing our relationships with the many artists on the Sony Music roster who have graduated from the American Idol system, including Kelly Clarkson, Daughtry, Carrie Underwood, Fantasia, David Cook, Adam Lambert, Kellie Pickler, Jordin Sparks and David Archuleta among others and we are excited for the upcoming albums later this fall from Season 9’s winner and runner-up Lee DeWyze and Crystal Bowersox.”

    Allison’s name was conspicuously missing among the Idols who are under their umbrella. So maybe her being dropped by Jive was in the works as far back as a month ago.

    http://mjsbigblog.com/19e-and-idol-creator-simon-fuller-strike-a-deal-with-universal-music-group.htm/comment-page-1#comments

  201. By the way, I’m so looking forward to season 10

    I hope season 10 ends up being like either seasons 4,5, 7,8 were, seasons with good talent, that came after a poor season. I definitely hope it’s better than Season 9 was.

  202. I’m just surprised that Danny has been doing so much more than I realized. Maybe I’ve underestimated how much he’s been doing because there hasn’t been a separate thread on here for all his shows, like there has been for Kris and Adam. I knew Danny has been working his butt off, of course, but the sheer number of appearances is way more than I would have guessed.

    This just shows how much work is required to trying to build a career in this business, especially when just starting out. I know Kris hasn’t had much time off at all in the past year and a half, and I would think that the same is true for Danny and Adam.

  203. mozart4898

    At last year’s Ford event, Kris and Adam both reprised a couple of the songs they did on the AI tour — they didn’t introduce any of the stuff off of their upcoming albums — even though Kris’s single dropped just a few days later. They also teamed up to do a duet on “Crazy”

    So I would expect Lee & Crystal to both play a couple of songs that they have been doing on the AI tour, and maybe team up for some duet. No new music.

  204. ozarko:
    09/05/2010 at 11:06 pm
    Does anyone remember the statement Sony made a month ago when it announced that it would be severing ties with American Idol? Here it is again to refresh your memories…

    Someone else was rather obviously missing from that list though too – Kris. And they mentioned Adam, so it wasn’t like they just totally skipped over S8 in that list. I don’t think it really meant anything, there’s what, 2 people on there who weren’t either the winner or runner up in their season, and the list doesn’t nearly include all of them either. Just picking out some of their best success stories, and Allison (and Kris, so far, although he is still pretty new so you can’t say he’s failed) isn’t one of them.

  205. So I would expect Lee & Crystal to both play a couple of songs that they have been doing on the AI tour, and maybe team up for some duet. No new music.

    Bummer. Lol…I know from what she’d said, Crystal is past ready to be doing original music already and be done with the covers.

  206. yeah, there was some drama llama when that press release came out and Kris (and Allison) weren’t on it, but I don’t think too many people thought that it meant that Kris was getting dropped. So I don’t think that Allison not being on the release was a hint as to her status with the label. I think it was just a poorly written press release.

  207. So I would expect Lee & Crystal to both play a couple of songs that they have been doing on the AI tour, and maybe team up for some duet. No new music.

    It’s kind of a different ballgame this year with the tour ending early. They have a couple of weeks in-between. They could possibly work up some new covers or one of their pre-idol originals. They would probably duet Falling Slowly.

  208. Tripp

    that’s true — but I don’t know if they would be allowed to play new music that would be on their debut albums — 19 makes a big deal of premiering the debut singles on the radio (preferably on Z100 or KIIS-FM). so they might put the kibosh on allowing Lee or Crystal to debut any new original material prior to the official release dates

    I don’t have any inside info, of course — this is just me speculating

  209. that’s true — but I don’t know if they would be allowed to play new music that would be on their debut albums — 19 makes a big deal of premiering the debut singles on the radio (preferably on Z100 or KIIS-FM). so they might put the kibosh on allowing Lee or Crystal to debut any new original material prior to the official release dates

    They also love using Popeater – isn’t that how Light On by Cook was premiered?

  210. When a record label drops you, does Allison now have to start from square one ?

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  212. If Allison was dropped it was because she did not sell enough product. She was given a lot of promotion. She was given very high profile stuff. She was given a slot to open for Adam in a successful tour. She just did not sell. And radio did not pick up on any of her singles on any format.It is very simple. Who knows why that is but I hope she continues to follow her dream.

  213. I wish that a band with original music takes Allison as their lead singer like what happened with Carly (“The Fallen”).

  214. That’s too bad about Allison. An Idol’s name disappearing from their label’s artist roster is usually the first telltale sign that they have been dropped. I’m a little bit surprised that Jive has dropped her (if it’s true). In spite of her low sales and poor radio performance, I thought her youth and potential might have been enough for Jive to keep her around a little longer. At the end of the day though, you have to make money for the label and sadly Allison wasn’t doing it for them.

    I think too much is made at times about having a large, rabid fanbase coming off Idol or having stellar interviewing skills. Jordin Sparks has proven that you don’t need a huge Idol fanbase in order to succeed. Granted the sales of her last album have not been great, but it did spawn a platinum selling hit single (her fourth consecutive platinum plus pop hit). Conversely, Blake Lewis seemed to have a pretty rabid fanbase coming off Idol (many thought he would outsell Jordin easily), but he was dropped from his label faster than than the much maligned Taylor Hicks (who also had a pretty large, rabid Idol fanbase). What Blake and Taylor didn’t have was a great deal of radio airplay. Both of Blake’s singles flopped, and Taylor’s never got off the ground. I think that was Allison’s biggest problem: for whatever reason, her singles just never clicked on radio. She has had very little airplay to speak of, and her video for the lead single didn’t get the exposure it needed. Music buyers can’t buy what they don’t hear or know about, and I don’t think many people knew about Allison’s album or were exposed to her music. I don’t think her interviewing skills (or lack thereof) are why she has apparently lost her label deal. Most people don’t care about how well spoken you are when they decide to buy music. The music just has to connect with them. I think if more ears had heard Alli’s music, she would have fared better. I think her album was one of the better ones released by the Season 8 crew. It’s a shame that it didn’t do better in terms of sales because it’s a solid album.

    Alli’s still young, and I think she’ll land on her feet. While Jive may have dropped her, I don’t think 19 will let her go. Maybe they’ll find another label “home” for her. This could end up being a blessing in disguise for her. She has so much talent and potential. Maybe the timing wasn’t right for her last album, but I think she’ll find success in the future. I’m not a huge Adam fan (I like him though), but kudos to him for giving Allison the opportunity to tour with him this summer. I think that experience has done wonders for Allison and will help her continue to grow as an artist and performer.

  215. Well as expected as the news is that Allison was dropped, and as much sense as it makes, it still sucks. Boo.

    And I agree that while any blame doesn’t lie with Jive, it isn’t really Allison’s fault either. The music industry is a crapshoot, and it’s especially hard these days. So knowing who is going to be successful and for what songs? eh. It’s not as if who is successful is based solely on their creating good music. I think we all know that. And not like stuff that seems like it ‘should’ do well commerically, doesn’t.

    So yeah, Jive did the best it could, Allison did the best she could. Some mistake were made on either side, but water bridge yadda.

    Wish her best of luck in the future. I think she’s super talented and I do like her, spaziness and all. So I hope that she can regroup and find a way to produce good music. It’s not going to be easy once dropped by a major label after your first record. But it can be done, and I have faith that she will be to find something, and hopefully, produce some good music as part of it.

  216. Kris totally forgot the lyrics during his Jack and Diane duet with Keith Urban tonight — and Keith totally called him out on it in front of everyone! LOL – their reactions are so funny! If anyone wants to see it, I posted the video in tonight’s Kris concert thread

  217. steph6449:

    My guess was that Allison’s AI core fanbase was probably adults who liked rock and thought she had a good voice, and for a lot of them she may not have been their first favorite but more a second or third favorite to Adam or one of the other top 5. So there may have just been a basic disconnect with that fanbase to buy her very young/pop-oriented album, but they were counting on the teen audience to relate to her and support her music. Which seems not to have happened to any great degree.

    Yeah, that’s how I felt. Thought she was ok but wasn’t my favorite, sometimes I really like her, but sometimes she annoys me a bit. I think she has a lot of potential. I liked her best when she did rock songs, like the Heart songs, and when she does Heartbreaker on Adam’s tour. I didn’t like the songs on her cd. I did feel a disconnect, that I should like her better than I do. She’s the type of female singer I would normally really like, but I found at least on AI, I like Carly Smithson much better. I do think that possibly she doesn’t know what she wants to do as an artist, or what she is best at yet, at least not last year when she was recording the album. It seems they went in a pop punk direction, like Avril Lavinge, instead of a more pop rock direction. Maybe this is part of the problem with the cd’s being recorded so fast, especially if you have to find oyour direction as an artist.

  218. Awww, sorry to hear that about Allison, even if many were predicting it. I’m kind of surprised Jive isn’t trying to develop her more (and didn’t her album sell 100k- that’s not bad), but I guess in the cut throat industry today, it isn’t in the cards.

    I liked her on AI so much more that on the tour or the music she put out, because I think she just needed more experience. And as others have mentioned she is an “old music soul” in an immature package. Even though I do get a kick out of her goofiness at times.

    I thought Jive gave her plenty of promo opportunities, but I think they should have worked with her more on performance presentation. Maybe that would have helped? Anyway, this is sad news :(

  219. But in all fairness, Kris also won American Idol, and the winner always gets more publicity, promotion, high profile opprotunities, compared to someone who finished in 3rd place. But on the flip side, higher expectations are also placed on the winner.

    It’s hard to compare Danny and Kris’s success since they’re in completely different genres. Pop is a lot more competitive than country, but Kris had the advantage of winning Idol and getting a lot more national promotion than Danny, so I’d say that taking all those things into account, they are doing about equally well. I do think Danny, unlike Kris, will continue his upward trajectory and has a better chance of becoming a bonafide star in his genre (much like Carrie Underwood), since his voice is so unique (and much better than most male country singers). He’s getting plenty of opportunity to grow his non-Idol fanbase by opening for such big acts as Sugarland, Lady Antebellum and even Tim McGraw, and appearing at the Opry on a regular basis. But Kris is doing fine despite his low albm sales and doesn’t seem to mind if he never becomes as successful as Kelly Clarkson or Daughtry. He seems to be more of a singles artist.

    Danny and Kris are both living under Adam’s shadow, and although Adam isn’t the next Michael Jackson like TPTB seemed to think he would be (or just wanted him to be) neither Kris or Danny could be said to be as successful as him. Much as I love Adam, I don’t think he’ll have a lot of staying power over the long haul. It’s still too soon to call it for any of the season 8 idols as to who will become the most successful over time, but it will probably be either Danny or Adam, I doubt it will be Kris.

    That’s sad that Allison was dropped from Jive, but I’m not surprised. I think the handwriting was on the wall for a long time and everyone saw it coming. I don’t think it’s her music that’s the problem, and I’m of the camp that doesn’t think it’s all Jive’s fault either. Allison has a great voice and is commercial sounding (her songs are catchy), but her personality is very hyper, flippant, and she slurs her words when she speaks. I think her annoying personality, coupled with her young age, has worked against her. She could appeal to the tween set, but her music is too old sounding to really catch on with that age group. At the same time she comes across like she’s playing dress-up or pretending to be a rocker, so she doesn’t appeal to older rock fans either. If Allison was incredibly attractive she might be able to get by with being annoying, but the fact of the matter is she is pretty average looking and not really what most people consider “hot.” I wish her well. She is very talented and I hope another label will pick her up and give her a chance to grow into her rocker style.

    I can’t see Crystal doing well with Jive either. She has a folksy, bluesy style that seems light-years away from the pop/r&b that Jive markets, and Crystal seems far too independent to let them fit her into a mold.

  220. I’m sorry to hear about Allison being dropped, but like most people, not surprised. She didn’t sell and her songs weren’t played on the radio. 2 + 2 = 4.

    It’s a shame because she’s an amazing singer, and it was a good cd with some really good songs on it. I don’t know if she wasn’t properly promoted, or what, but some things do come to mind that involve her image or personality.

    I know I’m not her target demographic (but I am a person who buys music and supports the musicians I like of any age). I was put off by her in a few ways. Her tweets are atrocious and I don’t think that helped her. She seemed to think she was tweeting privately for her friends, and didn’t tweet in a way that would have helped her build a fan base.

    In her early tv appearances, when she had real opportunities to win new fans, she was off-putting in the clothes she wore and the hairdos, and the way she acted and spoke. She just seemed bizarre in some ways. And I wanted to like her, I was a fan during the show, and a fan of her cd.

    After all this time I don’t feel I have any grasp on her as a person or what she’s like. I never had a problem with her enunciation as a singer. But as a speaker and a tweeter, and a public personality, I find her overall rather incoherent and indecipherable, and not in a good way. I think her image pushes people away and it’s clear she didn’t win over potential fans.

    I like the way she dresses now a lot better. I don’t know who told her to dress so crazy in the beginning, but I feel those early appearances were wasted opportunities and that someone gave her the wrong advice there. Now I think she’s finding herself more, on Adam’s tour. Performing with Orianthe (can’t spell it) was a wise move (and fun for sure). I find her more appealing in the black leather type of clothes she’s wearing now, and her hair is still “her” but is not so crazy as it was in the beginning.

    I think and hope she’ll continue to find her path and I think she has to find a style to communicate who she is in a way that resonates with fans, as she needs those to succeed. I think she’s an amazing singer, I put her in the same category as Kelly Clarkson and Pink. Her talent is huge, and she’s a sweet kid, just got some issues to clear up esp regarding image and communication, and when she gets it all together, she’ll be powerful.

  221. I’m sad that Allison got dropped but she got drop because she didn’t sell not likability factor. It might have factored in, but its not a big deal as people are making it. I didn’t buy Allison album because she wasn’t my fav on idol and I didn’t like any of her songs. If she had great songs, I would have bought some singles from itunes.

    Its a lot of artists that aren’t likable, a lot of people hate Eminem but they still buy his cd because he’s music is good. I think its still number 1. A lot of people can’t stand Gaga but they be on youtube all day looking at her videos. I hate Beyonce but when her songs come on the radio, I turn it up because she has good songs. Its the music not the likability.

    Who cares how/what she writes on twitter? Kayne West can’t spell at all and he have a million followers and only been on there a month. Miley when she had a twitter use to always post depressing quotes and people still bought her music.

    Her music wasn’t selling and that is why she got dropped. A lot of people don’t like Adam or Kris but people are buying their music because its good. Her cd wasn’t that good. I only listen to 5 songs but those 5 songs were okay not good or great. It wasn’t nothing special. They weren’t memorable.

  222. Mileage may vary, but for me, Allison CD’s is one of the most enjoyables – and all the songs are good – no filler. People that were put off by “Friday I’ll Be Over You” and stopped there might want to hear her other songs. A cursory search in YouTube or Twitter of Scars shows many girls completely identified with the song, even when it is not the most radio friendly. That her CD hasn’t gotten commercial mega-success doesn’t mean that it is bad. On her vibe: All the people from inside Idol – contestants, the band and production people – and many critics (Slezak – duh, Jim Cantiello, Lindsey from Yahoo) love her to bits, but somehow this love hasn’t been translated to the general public… I think because she is not a Disney girl (so, there goes the tween market), nor “the usual” beautiful singer. Her potty mouth may have turned off some, but in my book she has miles more integrity than, for example, Ke$ha or even Miley Cyrus. You don’t associate Allison with a party girl… I sincerely hope she gets to continue with the good (or even better) music that she has gifted to us, and that she gets to be happy and true to herself.

  223. 19E badly mishandled Allison. She should NEVER have been pointed to the Hannah Montana tween crowd. Here is someone who was in the bottom three FIVE times, and they thought she was marketable in the US? Sure, she has a great voice, but she needed to be aimed at Latin America. They needed to have her hooked up with Tommy Mottola or someone that knew the Latin scene and who the Latin scene insiders knew.

    Before some of you scream “racism!”, remember, she won Quinceanera, Telemundo’s version of AI. And, her singing in Spanish was far better than in English. Allison IMHO is the second coming of Selena, and should have been developed as such. They could have then developed her as a Latin version of Sarah Geronimo, to become an all-around entertainer aimed towards Latin America. Everyone would have banked serious coin. Now, she is basically done.

  224. So, what happens when the label drops you? Will she continue to tour with Adam even Internationally? Does her Official Site stay or does it go poof?

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