Idol Headlines for 08/16/10

Kris Allen “The Truth” Music Video debuts on VH1 Tuesday, 8/17

@JiveMusic tweets, “@KrisAllen’s “The Truth” will be on VH1 starting tmrw! Stay tuned 2 KrisAllenOfficial.com for news about the Exclusive ONLINE PREMIERE!”

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Kris Allen’s official website announces it will debut ONLINE on 8/18/10.

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Jordin Sparks will appear on Live With Regis and Kelly Thursday 8/19 ahead of her debut later that night as Nina Rosario in the Broadway musical In The Heights. Rumor has it she’ll sing “Breathe” from the show.

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Mississippi Television Special Focused on Tourism, Resiliency of Residents to be Taped on Gulf Coast

Governor Haley Barbour today announced that the state of Mississippi will be featured in a one-hour television special to be aired on the CW network Aug. 27, 2010. The television special will highlight the resilience and spirit of Gulf Coast residents and include celebrity testimonials, music acts, and interviews with coastal residents…..

On Monday, August 16, the following artists will tape segments for the show: Kyle and Chris Massey; Ace Young; and Ricky Skaggs. The public is encouraged to participate as extras during this taping which will take place from 3 p.m. through 9 p.m. Tickets are not required for the Monday taping.

On Tuesday, August 17, the following artists will tape segments to be included in the special: Montgomery Gentry; Terri Clark; Bo Bice; Lone Star; and David Hasselhoff, who will perform and serve as event host. Tuesday’s taping will begin at 8 p.m.

I just confirmed with management that Taylor Hicks will also be part of the Tuesday 8/17 tapings

Read more HERE.

More Headlines after the JUMP…

‘American Idol’ Lee DeWyze says people will be ‘surprised’ by his album

“It’s so my vibe. It’s everything I’ve wanted to do. I’m writing on everything, so it’s really me. And I can’t wait to show everybody what I’m doing, ” he said. “I think people are going to be a little surprised.”

See the Video at OnTheRedCarpet

22, 000 seats for Idol, 6, 000 tickets sold

MOUNTAIN VIEW, Ca. – Rolled into the Shoreline Amphitheatre parking lot about 1:45 p.m. on Saturday (Aug. 14th) for a long day. Stopped and asked the lot attendant where to park.

“Oh, you can go over there, ” he said, pointing to the lot to my left. “We only sold 6, 000 tickets for tonight’s show (American Idol Summer Tour) so I don’t think it’s going to get too crowded.”

I inquired about the Shoreline’s capacity. “Oh, about 22, 000, ” he said.

Read more at the Press-Democrat

EXCLUSIVE! Former ‘American Idol’ Contestants Fight Back, Say Show Isn’t Over Yet!

The Season 9 contestants react to the shift in the judging panel but remain sure the show will go on!

Next season’s judging panel for American Idol may be up in the air, with Simon Cowell, Ellen DeGeneres, and Kara DioGuardi out, rumored to be replaced by names including Steven Tyler, Jennifer Lopez, Mariah Carey, and Jessica Simpson, but last season’s contestants feel like the show will go on no matter what! Former contestant Lee DeWyze told HollywoodLife.com EXCLUSIVELY, “I don’t think anyone is going to ruin the show, the show is going to be successful as long as people are doing there own thing and not trying to copy anyone else, they’ll be fine.” And everyone else seems to agree!

Read more at Hollywood Life

Lee DeWyze interview – 8/13

In this pre-Staples-center interview, Lee DeWyze says he’s written a lot of tunes for his album, but also has a couple of his pre-Idol tunes lined up for the new album.

Plus, the 10/26 release date for his album could be pushed back.

via Libracats

Casey James, rest of American Idol tour crew play Sacramento on Thursday

Who will stand out at Wednesday’s show?

It could be third-place finisher Casey James, 28, the goldilocks guitar guy who impressed the judges at his audition in Denver. The Bee caught up with James before a recent tour stop in Phoenix. He yawned (over the phone) a lot and promptly apologized.

Read more at the Sacramento Bee

‘American Idol”s Tim Urban and DIdi Benami discuss the tour, fame, and their futures

With the American Idol Live! concert playing Toledo in less than two weeks, I thought I’d get back to the posting the interviews with the show’s performers. I spoke with the top-10 singers from last season’s Idol during a July 1 afternoon interview session at the Palace of Auburn Hills in Auburn Hills, Mich., where the tour was launched.

As promised, today’s featured performers are:

Tim Urban, who was routinely blasted by the Idol judges, but whose smile and tween appeal kept him going into seventh place. And Didi Benami, who very early in the show impressed the judges with her version of Kara DioGuardi’s “Terrified, ” and then struggled once the show went live. She was eliminated at the top 10 spot, which was good enough to get her on the tour.

Read more at the Toledo Blade

Cheryl Cole set for X Factor glamour rival as Simon Cowell asks Nicole Scherzinger to stay for Judges’ Houses stage

Simon Cowell may be about to put the pert X Factor noses of Cheryl Cole and Dannii Minogue miaowt of joint.

For the ITV1 show supremo is banking on Pussycat Doll Nicole Sherzinger to lift the new series so much that he’s begging her to stay on for the Judges’ Houses section.

Nicole, 32, was such a success as a guest judge at the auditions that both Simon and Louis Walsh have invited the on-off-on American girlfriend of Formula 1 ace Lewis Hamilton to be a mentor for the final stages to help pick the acts who reach the studio.

Read more at the Daily Mirror.uk

Research shows that median age for network audiences is now 51

A new study of broadcast audiences finds that the median age for viewers at ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox is now 51 years.

Even the audience for American Idol is graying. The median age for the once-dominant talent show has jumped from 36 to 44 over the past seven seasons.

Read more at USA Today

Kris Allen introduces the Arkansas Rice Depot

Kris Allen tells a little bit about Arkansas Rice Depot’s Hunger Project, a way for you to go hungry with us and give the money you would spend on food to help other hungry Arkansans eliminate hunger from their lives

Fantasia’s Married BF — Time to Pack Up

Antwaun Cook — the married man who was (and still might be) dating Fantasia Barrino — collected a bunch of his belongings from his family home in North Carolina … and got the hell out.

According to reports, 26-year-old Cook has moved into a nearby apartment.

The move comes just days after Cook was seen canoodling with Fantasia while a camera crew documented the entire encounter … perhaps for a reality show.

See the photo at TMZ

Another Teaser for the Kris Allen “The Truth” Music Video

It’s supposed to be released today…we’ll see. (It has an 8/18/10 date on the post. Not sure if that means the vid will be released Wednesday?) Jim Cantiello has a copy of “The Truth”. Check out the tweet.

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  1. 22,000 seats for Idol, 6,000 tickets sold

    I know this has been happening most of the summer, but it is still a tough one to wrap my head around. Based on the previous couple of years it is still mind-boggling to think that the alleged 10 top singers of 2009 don’t have enough built in fans between them to fill a third of a venue. I can’t even fathom how the “winners” will be able to sell really well once their albums hit the market if they can’t drum up some substantial interest while on tour. And as much as I concur with the theory that Idol has over-saturated the market it is still weird to me that the bastion of idolism, the tour, could take such a drastic hit in one year.

    But, I must admit that the season 9 idols are keeping a brave face on and are working all the interviews and staying super positive…but then, didn’t many of the idolettes during season 9 say they weren’t AI afficianados..maybe they don’t have a clue how porly their tour is doing based on previous years.

  2. Not surprised that Lee’s release date might get pushed back — October 26 was really rushing it. I wonder if he’s going to get a co-write for the lead single? Given his lack of sales power to date I don’t know if he has the leverage to get a co-write when the more successful Idols didn’t get that for their debuts. But we will see…

  3. girlygirl:
    08/16/2010 at 9:14 am
    Not surprised that Lee’s release date might get pushed back — October 26 was really rushing it. I wonder if he’s going to get a co-write for the lead single? Given his lack of sales power to date I don’t know if he has the leverage to get a co-write when the more successful Idols didn’t get that for their debuts. But we will see…

    I expect Lee’s album to look something like Cook and Kris in terms of cowrites – he’ll have a lot, but I can’t imagine the lead single will be a cowrite (see Light On; Live Like We’re Dying)

  4. Tess:
    08/16/2010 at 8:36 am
    22,000 seats for Idol, 6,000 tickets sold

    And as much as I concur with the theory that Idol has over-saturated the market it is still weird to me that the bastion of idolism, the tour, could take such a drastic hit in one year.

    But, I must admit that the season 9 idols are keeping a brave face on and are working all the interviews and staying super positive…but then, didn’t many of the idolettes during season 9 say they weren’t AI afficianados..maybe they don’t have a clue how porly their tour is doing based on previous years.

    I knew after season 9 was over that the tour wouldn’t sell well, but I didn’t know it would be this bad. This goes to prove to the future Idols, that what you do during the season does matter. They can’t rely on the fact that it’s an Idol tour to automatically get people to come and see it. Certainly it’s been proven this year, that a platinum album is not a given for Idol contestants, especially the winner. Both Crystal and Lee are going to have a lot of competition for the consumer’s dollars, not only a lot of competition among the Idols, but albums by those outside the Idol bubble. The question should be is where will Crystal and Lee fit on pop radio today. How will they and can they compete with some of the biggest artist for radio play, so their music will be heard. It’s going to be really interesting to see what happens when their album come out.

  5. Shoreline Amphitheatre has a capacity of 22,000, with 6,500 reserved seats and 15,500 unreserved lawn seating.

  6. Kris just tweeted

    KrisAllen

    #”The Truth” has been added to the VH1 rotation today. 1 minute ago via Echofon

    (such excitement — not even one ! in his tweet. of course, he’s up early on his day off – LOL)

  7. Shoreline Amphitheatre has a capacity of 22,000, with 6,500 reserved seats and 15,500 unreserved lawn seating.

    Are we to declare the venue almost sold out because the reserved seats were taken. It was proven in earlier years that AI could also almost sell out all the incidental seating in a venue. Also, I wonder how many of those 6,000 seats went for full price. Based on all the early promotions and the amount of free give-aways that every venue is having I would hazard a guess that 25% of the tickets were distributed below value.

  8. With Crystal saying most of her album is going to be pre-Idol stuff and if Lee is accurate in that he’s writing on everything, just a hunch here but I suspect RCA/Jive is trying to be as frugal as possible especially considering that early Billboard article where the labels were already doubting there was strong interest in them. We heard some collaborator names for Crystal and what, just Dave Hodges and Kara for Lee so far? Just guessing but I dont see tons of money being spent on hot hitmakers for them..so Lee and Crystal both may very well end up with singles they both wrote. If their songwriting is good enough it could happen.

  9. Just guessing but I dont see tons of money being spent on hot hitmakers for them..so Lee and Crystal both may very well end up with singles they both wrote. If their songwriting is good enough it could happen.

    As I’m sure this isn’t a stretch for anyone, but this could either give them cred or completely bury them.

  10. I think what matters most is whether their first single is a good one. That will determine how much album both Lee and Crystal will sell. Take Leona Lewis for example. How many people watched X factor? Not even shown in my country but she’s a best seller.

  11. As I’m sure this isn’t a stretch for anyone, but this could either give them cred or completely bury them.

    Idol could try to spin it for Lee. He could be the first Idol winner to release a song completely written by himself. “He is the singer-songwriter we’ve been searching for so long”. Blah-Blah-cakes. Slice the truth (and ignore it where convenient) to get a nice story. Even if it’s a co-write, they can make that claim (Kelly would actually be the first). The entertainment press and DJs rarely check to confirm anything it seems.

  12. Not even shown in my country but she’s a best seller.

    For her first album. Quick, who remembers anything about her second album? (“remembers”, not “can google”) It certainly didn’t make much of an impression in North America.

    It’s not always easy for the labels to figure out what will be a hit.

  13. 22,000 seats for Idol, 6,000 tickets sold

    According to available info, the Shoreline Amphitheater does indeed have a capacity of 22,000, but not 22,000 actual seats. There are 6500 reserved seats and lawn space for 15,500. You can probably sit on the ground or bring a folding chair if you opt for the lawn, but you’re at the mercy of the weather. Since I’m not a cow, I’d prefer a nice, comfortable seat under a cover to grazing space on an open lawn. My guess is that’s what most who attended the Mountain View AI tour concert preferred as well.

  14. My guess is that’s what most who attended the Mountain View AI tour concert preferred as well.

    Do we know that the only seats sold were the seats. I would guess the lower price tickets covered the lawn area and I think for families that may have been their purchase of choice. Regardless of what was sold the venue only sold a third of their available tickets and that isn’t a good sign. We can spin anything to make a sow’s ear look like a silk purse…but the reality is still that the season 9 tour is under performing based on recent AI tour history. Even season 5 whose top winners didn’t sell according to expectations still had great revenue and attendance at their tours.

  15. He could be the first Idol winner to release a song completely written by himself.

    Throws up a little in my mouth.

    Sorry, I don’t hate Lee, and actually like the tone of his voice, but I’m just not yet that convinced of of his “talent”. Wait, am I making this up, or did I read that that his previous record label actually technically “released” a single from Slumberland to radio earlier this summer? If so, that statement could technically already be true?

    It’ll be interesting to see how much pre-Idol stuff of Lee’s ends up on the album. David got one (A Daily AntheM). Did Kris? Unlike with David, though, Lee doesn’t own all his own pre-Idol stuff, that record label does. So I guess everything that was on his two previous albums are off the table for sure. What about the stuff had started to write for the third potential album? Does the label have dibs on those too, to the extent that some were likely written while he was still under contract with them? I would think the only pre-Idol songs he has for himself for sure would be the ones written after his label released his contract for the auditions…?

    According to available info, the Shoreline Amphitheater does indeed have a capacity of 22,000, but not 22,000 actual seats. There are 6500 reserved seats and lawn space for 15,500. You can probably sit on the ground or bring a folding chair if you opt for the lawn, but you’re at the mercy of the weather.

    But… that’s how amphitheater concerts work for all the acts they book, and, how do I put this… the lawn is not typically empty? I’ve been to dozens of amphitheater concerts, and I’ve gotten lawn seats for most of them. You just go with your friends with your blankets and sit/stand on the lawn with tens of thousands of other people and watch these huge acts on the big screen. You’re at the mercy of the weather (I’ve gotten soaked many times– it’s good to bring a poncho!), but that’s part of the vibe of these things. And of course, these are usually popular acts lik Green Day, The Killers, John Mayer, Jason Mraz, Weezer, No Doubt etc. and even lawn seats are upwards of $40, so that’s the only way I could afford to see them. I think in the past, the Idol tour counted as one of those big acts that can pack the lawn. Not anymore…

  16. Kris got one pre-idol song, Red Guitar on his album.

    Adam has a vevo playlist up with intros

    http://www.vevo.com/watch/playlist/vevo-video-playlist-adam-lambert/204306#0

    Crystal and Lee getting more pre-idol music could be seen as a lack of backing in $$ or a leap of faith. I am leaning towards the $$ issue. How many copies of Slumberland sold? I just can’t see there being that much interest in Lee as a great songwriter.

    There’s so much crap that makes it on the radio and I don’t think pds give much thought to good songs. Lee or Crystal could write Dark Side of the Moon and I don’t think they’d care or notice. I could be wrong, but my opinion of radio is very poor.

  17. Last I saw, Slumberland had sold around 10-12K. Not bad, but not really enough to suggest there’s a huge number of people waiting to buy anything he puts out. Given the fact that his coronation single tanked, he’s going to need a great debut single in order to generate any kind of bu for his album. Does RCA really want to risk putting out a debut single that Lee wrote himself? I don’t know…

  18. Kris got one pre-idol song, Red Guitar on his album.

    I think this was a different story then with Lee and Crystal. Kris was not spouting off in all of his interviews about his pre-idol music being on his album and it was only after that the full story of this song came out. I also get the impression with Crystal’s sons, that it might be something that is out there, on YouTube or something similar, which was not the case with Red Guitar. I think if something from Brand New Shoes had been on Kris’s album it would be a similar type of thing.

    Crystal and Lee getting more pre-idol music could be seen as a lack of backing in $$ or a leap of faith. I am leaning towards the $$ issue. How many copies of Slumberland sold? I just can’t see there being that much interest in Lee as a great songwriter.

    This, 100%. I think the coments made regarding expectations for Crystal and Lee, combined with this willingness to use pre-Idol music and seemingly not spend much on things, is telling. Last summer we heard all sorts of things about Adam, Kris and Allison working on their albums on days off from the tour – whether recording or writing. This summer, not so much with Lee and Crystal, almost as of TPTB can’t be bothered with even booking the extra flights for them that might be needed.

  19. Anovich
    This, 100%. I think the coments made regarding expectations for Crystal and Lee, combined with this willingness to use pre-Idol music and seemingly not spend much on things, is telling. Last summer we heard all sorts of things about Adam, Kris and Allison working on their albums on days off from the tou – whether recording or writing. This summer, not so much with Lee and Crystal, almost as of TPTB can’t be bothered with even booking the extra flights for them that might be needed.

    I agree with you, the guys in charge are not going to spend any extra money that they don’t have to on Crystal and Lee. With the tour finishing early and these two using songs they have already written, they should have plenty of time to finish their album. I don’t think RCA and JIVE have great expectations, because there has been very little promotion of them this summer. The TPTB might be thinking they should economize, because these two may never sell enough to make a profit.

  20. If Lee puts out more songs like “Never There”, he is going to do just fine. He also mentions he has written on every song so the odds seem to be that he will release a song he has at least co-written on.

    ETA – And Lee has mentioned several times about flying/working on his album. Crystal has said she is not starting until after the tour is over so that’s why you haven’t heard anything about her working on hers.

  21. Regardless of what was sold the venue only sold a third of their available tickets and that isn’t a good sign.

    I would never disagree that the tour is under performing significantly this summer. But things at this one venue aren’t as dire as they may sound. For one thing, no venue on the tour last summer offered as many as 22,000 tickets for any one performance. 14,288 in N. Little Rock was the greatest number. The closest concert to Mountain View last summer was San Jose. Idol sold 10,391 tickets for that. It’s far more than they sold this year, but even San Jose numbers would have been meager in a 22,000-capacity venue.

    The Idol tour has been booked into a surprising number of outdoor venues this year. My guess is it was done to save money since large indoor venues generally cost more. But a lot of amphitheaters have far larger capacities than venues the Idol tour normally performs in. Add to that the fact that some people are less inclined to attend an outside event on a hot summer night. I know I am.

    Kris Allen is opening for Maroon 5 in a downtown amphitheater here in Raleigh tomorrow night. I didn’t even consider buying a ticket, although I definitely would have if they had been performing in the same nearby comfortable, air-conditioned venue Adam will be in later this month. It’s supposed to be 94 tomorrow with a chance of showers tomorrow night. The concrete those amphitheater seats are on will absorb a lot of heat during the day that will be radiated during the performance. The audience might well appreciate the rain if it does come.

  22. For one thing, no venue on the tour last summer offered as many as 22,000 tickets for any one performance. 14,288 in N. Little Rock was the greatest number. The closest concert to Mountain View last summer was San Jose. Idol sold 10,391 tickets for that. It’s far more than they sold this year, but even San Jose numbers would have been meager in a 22,000-capacity venue.

    But does that really matter? Bottom line would be how many tickets were sold. So, if say (completely making this up, but you get the point), if last year’s tour sold to smaller venues, but more tickets, that’s what matters.

    If I sold 8,000 tix out of 9,000, I’d be much happier than if I sold 6500 out of 22,000, JS.

  23. My question is why Lee/Crystal never got a “coronation song” other than a cover? Something odd and “Cheap” about that.

  24. Two day ago, Linda Perry tweeted to Crystal

    @crystalbowersox great to meet u the other day I listened to some stuff u did & wow what a voice I love ur cigarette whiskey tone Awesome :)

    Could indicate that Linda Perry will co-write a song with Crystal. We´ve also heard about Michael Franti and Melissa.

    The “wow what a voice I love ur cigarette whiskey tone” part, isn´t she joking, meaning the opposite, or something I´m not getting someone can explain?

  25. I actually had tickets to the Goo Goo Dolls last night at the ampitheater in Tampa. Good seats too. We decided not to go. We had been running errands in the heat all day and even though we had a break in the indoors for a while in the evening, the thought of going back out in the heat at night just was too much. However I didn’t pay much for the tickets and I’m not a huge huge fan but like some of their hits. If I had been very interested, I would have gone. I think the Idol tour is showing the level of casual interest just isn’t there.

  26. If Lee puts out more songs like “Never There”, he is going to do just fine. He also mentions he has written on every song so the odds seem to be that he will release a song he has at least co-written on.

    What Lee has worked on to date might be all co-writes, this is true. However, there may be other songs that have been submitted for consideration from other songwriters that he hasn’t recorded yet so it’s hard to say. I will honestly be surprised if every single song on his album has him with a co-writing credit based on the history of AI alumn albums.

    My question is why Lee/Crystal never got a “coronation song” other than a cover? Something odd and “Cheap” about that.

    Imagine if Lee or Crystal had to sing something even remotely similar to NoBo. With the overall feeling of failure and lack of interest in Season 9, why would TPTB bother paying someone to write a cornation single when the single from Season 8 was so widely panned.

  27. The Idol tour has been booked into a surprising number of outdoor venues this year. My guess is that was done to save money since large indoor venues generally cost more.

    My understanding is that it had more to do with AI/19 solidifying a relationship with Live Nation, which controls a lot of outdoor ampitheatres. It certainly wasn’t because this tour needed the extra capacity.

    I would think the only pre-Idol songs he has for himself for sure would be the ones written after his label released his contract for the auditions…?

    This seems very likely to me, as I seem to recall the label saying something about being magnanimous enough to hold back their “third album” until his RCA debut was released. With friends like these…

    And word to what everyone has said about the market interest in LD. I don’t think his prior work is the greatest example of its subgenre to begin with, and everything he’s said about making these songs more “alt” and “Kings of Leon like” just reminds me that RCA is already releasing an album from the actual Kings of Leon.

  28. But does that really matter? Bottom line would be how many tickets were sold. So, if say (completely making this up, but you get the point), if last year’s tour sold to smaller venues, but more tickets, that’s what matters.

    If I sold 8,000 tix out of 9,000, I’d be much happier than if I sold 6500 out of 22,000, JS.

    But, given that AI has been downgrading in recent years, for example they’ve been booking more 10K-12K seat arenas than 25K, shouldn’t the question be did they really put 22,000 tickets up for sale at this one venue. I guess because of scheduling, they were forced to go with some larger venues this year because the smaller ones were already booked, but that doesn’t mean that they made all of the seats available, or even expected to.

    What happened to TT video? I was looking forward to it. Sheesh! There doesn’t seem to much info or buzz about it. What is going on?

    The simple answer, neither the song or Kris has a lot of buzz, and since the song and the album aren’t doing very well it’s not going to get the type of promotion that LLWD or IIHY got. The song will be up on VH1’s and Vevo sometime this week, but there won’t be a lot of fanfare accompanying it, and VH1 isn’t going to do a lot to push the video.

    My understanding is that it had more to do with AI/19 solidifying a relationship with Live Nation, which controls a lot of outdoor ampitheatres. It certainly wasn’t because this tour needed the extra capacity.

    I guess this is why they are booked in venues that are larger than the ones that they’ve been using in recent years.

  29. The simple answer, neither the song or Kris has a lot of buzz, and since the song and the album aren’t doing very well it’s not going to get the type of promotion that LLWD or IIHY got. The song will be up on VH1’s and Vevo sometime this week, but there won’t be a lot of fanfare accompanying it, and VH1 isn’t going to do a lot to push the video.

    I don’t know that this is true. I think if they premier the video the right way it could do well. Dismissing the song and Kris out of hand doesn’t make sense.

  30. I don’t know that this is true. I think if they premier the video the right way it could do well. Dismissing the song and Kris out of hand doesn’t make sense.

    I’m not dismissing either. The song is three months old, and while its chart position looks nice, its AI tells a different story, as does the fact that the vast majority of its spins are happening overnight when people are not awake, which is why it has sold so few copies. As far as Kris, he’s not getting any mainstream press, and because he does’t currently have a song that’s doing well on the radio, he’s not getting a lot of attention, or recognition from people. None of these things is going to lead to VH1 promoting the video on their website, or airing it very often. And even if they did, with so few quality spins on radio, it wouldn’t make a whole lot of difference.

  31. I’m not dismissing either. The song is three months old, and while its chart position looks nice, its AI tells a different story, as does the fact that the vast majority of its spins are happening overnight when people are not awake, which is why it has sold so few copies. As far as Kris, he’s not getting any mainstream press, and because he does’t currently have a song that’s doing well on the radio, he’s not getting a lot of attention, or recognition from people. None of these things is going to lead to VH1 promoting the video on their website, or airing it very often. And even if they did, with so few quality spins on radio, it wouldn’t make a whole lot of difference.

    Sorry if I come off defensive, but the tone of your comment seemed to dismiss things out of hand. If I Had You wasn’t doing very well until the video came and helped with the situation. I think that the video can help The Truth as well. As far as VH1 promoting the video, if they weren’t interested would they have automatically added it to their rotation as soon as it was available? Obviously, there are a lot of issues with why the video was released so late (what the heck is wrong with Jive thinking this delay is a good thing) and there were a lot of baffling decisions with regards to this song as a whole.

    I’m wondering if the video might be something that can help on Pop, if it’s crazy/cool enough?

  32. sr4mjc:

    There’s so much crap that makes it on the radio and I don’t think pds give much thought to good songs. Lee or Crystal could write Dark Side of the Moon and I don’t think they’d care or notice.

    Very well said.

    glamertitis:

    My question is why Lee/Crystal never got a “coronation song” other than a cover? Something odd and “Cheap” about that.

    I think “No Boundaries” cured them of sucking eggs.

  33. It was proven in earlier years that AI could also almost sell out all the incidental seating in a venue.

    Show the proof then.

  34. Eh. We aren’t going to get into an intra-seasonal fan war over concert revenues, OK? If this battle rages on, I’ll be deleting posts.

  35. None of these things is going to lead to VH1 promoting the video on their website, or airing it very often. And even if they did, with so few quality spins on radio, it wouldn’t make a whole lot of difference.

    I think VH1 is very open to a new Kris video. At least three times in past weeks on the countdown show Jim Shearer has mentioned Kris when introducing the Train video and at least once they have show Kris’ album cover and Jim has specifically mentioned the video was coming.

  36. I think VH1 is very open to a new Kris video. At least three times in past weeks on the countdown show Jim Shearer has mentioned Kris when introducing the Train video and at least once they have show Kris’ album cover and Jim has specifically mentioned the video was coming.

    Exactly. And the fact that Jim has been talking about Kris is also a nice way to keep his name out there :)

  37. I hope the rumors of Casey James and Taylor Hicks getting together for a concert for the Gulf Coast are coming true. Would love to see that!

  38. I think VH1 is very open to a new Kris video. At least three times in past weeks on the countdown show Jim Shearer has mentioned Kris when introducing the Train video and at least once they have show Kris’ album cover and Jim has specifically mentioned the video was coming.

    I think VH1 putting the song in their lowest rotation, where at the most they may play it once a day, speaks more to how much they are willing to promote the song than what Jim Shearer has to say. But who knows, maybe next week they will up the rotation, especially since they haven’t even added the video to their site yet.

  39. I think VH1 putting the song in their lowest rotation, where at the most they may play it once a day, speaks more to how much they are willing to promote the song than what Jim Shearer has to say. But who knows, maybe next week they will up the rotation, especially since they haven’t even added the video to their site yet.

    Don’t all videos start at the lowest rotation? And no one has seen the video yet – so how could it be on their site? Sorry, but this statement makes no sense.

  40. Personally, as a Kris fan, I don’t see “The Truth” going much farther than it already has. I think poor decisions were made and a low level of enthusiasm going into the release of the second single didn’t make it any better. Most Kris fans didn’t exactly jump for joy at the announcement of “The Truth” being the second single. I think the only way for Kris to continue to stay in the spotlight is for a third single hit. AWM, CSA, BWCU, and even WAOMF sound like they could live up to and even surpass the success of LLWD.

  41. anovich:
    08/16/2010 at 12:26 pm

    I think VH1 putting the song in their lowest rotation, where at the most they may play it once a day, speaks more to how much they are willing to promote the song than what Jim Shearer has to say. But who knows, maybe next week they will up the rotation, especially since they haven’t even added the video to their site yet.

    Don’t all videos start at the lowest rotation? And no one has seen the video yet – so how could it be on their site? Sorry, but this statement makes no sense.

    All videos don’t start out at the lowest rotation on VH1. LLWD didn’t start at the lowest rotation, neither did WWFM or IIHY. Jive doesn’t seem to be pushing videos to VH1 though. David Archuleta’s video hasn’t been added to Vh1 yet and it’s been on VEVO for weeks. Has Kris said anything about the video going to Vevo?

  42. All videos don’t start out at the lowest rotation on VH1. LLWD didn’t start at the lowest rotation, neither did WWFM or IIHY. Jive doesn’t seem to be pushing videos to VH1 though. David Archuleta’s video hasn’t been added to Vh1 yet and it’s been on VEVO for weeks. Has Kris said anything about the video going to Vevo?

    Vevo emailed someone saying that it would be up by the end of this week. It was said in a previous thread.

  43. All videos don’t start out at the lowest rotation on VH1.

    Ke$ha’s new video is starting in the same rotation. So, I think Kris’ video is getting the same treatment, whatever that may be.

    ETA: Ke$ha also had a brief preview of her new video on ET one night last week.

  44. This cool. NPR is going to do a story/interview on Adam!!

    Tweet from @nhpr:

    Name nhpr
    Location New Hampshire, USA
    Web http://www.nhpr.org
    Bio New Hampshire Public Radio’s Twitter feed, hosted by webmaster Brady Carlson.

    Attn Idol fans- we just had Adam Lambert in studio, recording an interview for an NPR story.
    14 minutes ago via HootSuite

  45. Well, JimC will probably do a story on the video, so the premiere date and time will get some publicity :)

  46. CindyM:
    08/16/2010 at 12:57 pm
    This cool. NPR is going to do a story/interview on Adam!!

    Tweet from @nhpr:

    Name nhpr
    Location New Hampshire, USA
    Web http://www.nhpr.org
    Bio New Hampshire Public Radio’s Twitter feed, hosted by webmaster Brady Carlson.

    Attn Idol fans- we just had Adam Lambert in studio, recording an interview for an NPR story.
    14 minutes ago via HootSuite

    If I remember correctly, someone there didn’t much care for GNT, so this should be interesting.

  47. I think in the past, the Idol tour counted as one of those big acts that can pack the lawn

    I don’t think they were many shows on previous Idol tour that has lawn seating. Can’t be entirely sure, but I think Season 7’s shows were all indoor, at least I don’t remember seeing any video from the tour that wasn’t indoor. Probably the same for Season 8. This might be the first season where there are quite a few venues with lawn seating because I don’t remember seeing any venue with those kinds of capacity before.
    (Delete a bit of mistaken information)

    shouldn’t the question be did they really put 22,000 tickets up for sale at this one venue.

    Perhaps being their first year, Live Nation doesn’t have a good idea of the possible turn-out for the show. I do think the AI people had a pretty good idea how popular or unpopular the season might be by the way the voting went – I think the number of votes probably dropped by between a third and a half this year, so they would know that this season’s tour won’t do as well as past ones. Perhaps they just somehow omitted to pass this information to the tour promoters.

    I’m kinda ambivalent about this year tour. I don’t think the performers were worse than previous years overall (although the obvious star of the show who would bring out the crowd is missing this year), but I do think many of them chose the wrong songs for the tour. I think the tour would have worked better if they had done what they did in Season 6 and seasons before that, which is to have many duets and ensemble singing. It would certainly be more fun.

    Those responsible for producing the show seem to have stuck to a formula they used for the last two years and didn’t bother to do anything different. Hardly any thought seems to have gone into it, didn’t even look at the kind of performers they have (Didi is not the right person to start a show). It’s just lazy. Do they actually pay people for producing show like that?

  48. If I remember correctly, someone there didn’t much care for GNT, so this should be interesting.

    I doubt very much that the person who wrote the blog will be doing the radio story. NPR is a big organization. The reporter assigned is likely on the music beat.

    ETA:

    I don’t think they were many shows on previous Idol tour that has lawn seating.

    There are few, if any, “packing the lawn” comparisons from the past. This is the first year the Idols Tour booked outdoor amphitheaters in any major way.

  49. For her first album. Quick, who remembers anything about her second album? (“remembers”, not “can google”) It certainly didn’t make much of an impression in North America.

    It’s not always easy for the labels to figure out what will be a hit.

    That’s very true, but Cowell was negligent in his thinking regarding the promo singles to include on Lewis’ 2nd album. From what I’ve read on blogs etc, most of her fans preferred the 2nd album’s quality and lack of filler, when compared with the first.

    However, the big mistake made was not including commercial radio-friendly singles on it – Cowell was at his re-creationist tricks again, trying to re-create Bleeding Love rather than watching the current market and how since that time the market has become very different dominated by the Perry-GaGa effect.

    From this link below, it’s not sold too badly (2x Platinum equivalent in UK and 1x platinum in Europe), but nowhere near her first album.

    http://www.ifpi.com/content/section_news/plat2010.html

  50. “Oh, you can go over there,” he said, pointing to the lot to my left. “We only sold 6,000 tickets for tonight’s show (American Idol Summer Tour) so I don’t think it’s going to get too crowded.”

    I inquired about the Shoreline’s capacity. “Oh, about 22,000,” he said.

    Aauch!!!!!

  51. jambajim
    The video is pretty! And artsy! And emo! And then…….. “Train” dude shows up. Sigh. If Pat M. were a Halloween treat, he’d be a penny.

  52. The Idol tour has been booked into a surprising number of outdoor venues this year. My guess is that was done to save money since large indoor venues generally cost more.

    My understanding is that it had more to do with AI/19 solidifying a relationship with Live Nation, which controls a lot of outdoor ampitheatres.

    I think it’s a combination of both. Outdoor amphitheaters are cheaper than indoor arenas, AND 19 wanted the LiveNation relationship. The lawn capacity is huge, but seated capacity is much lower. In lots of cases, I’m guessing Idol went from an arena with 10-12K seats inside a big city to an outside-the-city amphitheater with 6K seats and virtually unlimited lawn space. In the past, even getting nosebleed tickets for an Idol show in an indoor arena might cost you $40 with fees. Now we have all these $10 lawn “seats” for an Idol show that you wouldn’t get in an arena, and matches the price points for this season’s casual concert goers better. Makes sense to me. Only thing is, the lawn seats are not selling that great according to reports of empty lawns, and the 6000 or so available pavilion seats at the amphitheaters are not selling well either. MJ, hope this comment is okay. Just find the venue choice an interesting topic, now that it’s clear the amphitheaters are a new thing for the S9 tour. Not interested in fan wars.

    This seems very likely to me, as I seem to recall the label saying something about being magnanimous enough to hold back their “third album” until his RCA debut was released. With friends like these…

    Ha, so magnanimous indeed. It’ll be interesting to see their timing. When they say they’re going to “wait” to release this “third” album until after the RCA album, I can’t help but wonder, does that really mean they just want to wait like a week after it drops so they can piggyback off RCA’s promotion and have their album sit next to the RCA one at Walmart? Hmm…

  53. If the ability/expecations to be a big seller impacts the decision to get a first single written by you then why didn’t DC get one? He had huge album pre-orders and sold a crapload of downloads right after Idol. That notion doesn’t make sense.

  54. summertime blues- It states that it will be televised August 27 on the CW..

  55. tripp_ncwy:
    jambajim
    The video is pretty! And artsy! And emo! And then…….. “Train” dude shows up. Sigh. If Pat M. were a Halloween treat, he’d be a penny.

    Wow, even worse than an apple. (One house always gave us kids an apple and we were not amused.)

  56. If the ability/expecations to be a big seller impacts the decision to get a first single written by you then why didn’t DC get one? He had huge album pre-orders and sold a crapload of downloads right after Idol. That notion doesn’t make sense.

    Exactly – I think expectations were higher for Cook and Kris then they are for Lee- yet neither of them had a co-written lead single though both had numerous co-writes as well as each having a solo writing credit on their debuts. Like I said earlier – I think Lee will end up in a similar situation to both of these guys in regards to singles released.

  57. The video is pretty! And artsy! And emo! And then…….. “Train” dude shows up. Sigh. If Pat M. were a Halloween treat, he’d be a penny.

    Bahahaha… Jim. I used to kinda like old Train stuff, but I’ve come to realize that Pat M… cannot sing live. Also? I need someone to rewrite ALL the lyrics to Soul Sister, because I love the music but cannot stand the lyrics. Hearing that song makes me so angry and conflicted, cuz I wanna sing along when it starts, Oohh, ohhh ohh oh oh… and then I remember the words… and how much I hate them… it sucks. I want some David Cook lyrics for that song. That’d be ideal, haha. /dreaming

    However, the big mistake made was not including commercial radio-friendly singles on it – Cowell was at his re-creationist tricks again, trying to re-create Bleeding Love rather than watching the current market and how since that time the market has become very different dominated by the Perry-GaGa effect.

    Worse yet, Happy was like a thousand times more boring than Bleating Love, which I thought was boring too (but lots of people enjoyed).

  58. Just a thought on the “no publicity, lack of roll-out” meme that seems to be tweeting ’round the world by Kris fans about THE TRUTH MV — You, the collective you, are a part of the publicity game. Although, disgruntled, Kris Fans are talking about the video, clamoring for it, in fact. Yeah, it’s cruel and causing angst big-time, but it’s buzz. I thought I read somewhere that Jim Shearer had footage or was on location during a video shoot. Perhaps it’s Kris’ video? I think the VH-1 countdown is on tomorrow. Will it be shown then? Hopefully. I can understand the anxiety. Maybe the Kris fans need to keep watching VH1 to get the scoop. (My daughter knew of the Eminem/Rhiana Video by actually watching MTV.) They need people to watch their shows to survive, not just a five minute video.

    The powers will take your barbs, insults, disgust, et al, if it keeps you all talking about Kris Allen and The Truth. It’s free publicty. Just another way of looking at things.

  59. tripp_ncwy:
    08/16/2010 at 1:19 pm
    jambajim
    The video is pretty! And artsy! And emo! And then…….. “Train” dude shows up. Sigh. If Pat M. were a Halloween treat, he’d be a penny.

    Uncool. As an MTV reporter, wouldn’t it benefit him to NOT trash other artists?

    Sorry , I know he posts here, but…not cool.

  60. I think the VH-1 countdown is on tomorrow. Will it be shown then? Hopefully

    The countdown tomorrow is just a repeat of the Saturday one. It wasn’t featured on that countdown. Never heard anything about Jim Shearer being on the set of The Truth video. Buzz amongst Kris’s fans on twitter or on boards isn’t the kind of publicity it needs. Those people have already bought it for the most part, it needs to get on the VH1 news segments, their twitter and other media. I think the Jim C tweets (wish he hadn’t said the Pat M. stuff) help it and I’m sure that Slezak will do a story on it for EW. Also, when it’s eligible for countdown voting, that will help a ton because he’ll get tons of votes from his fans like all idols get.

  61. The closest concert to Mountain View last summer was San Jose. Idol sold 10,391 tickets for that. It’s far more than they sold this year, but even San Jose numbers would have been meager in a 22,000-capacity venue.

    I live in Mountain View, CA, and I can tell you that San Jose/HP Pavilion is only about 20 minutes from Mountain View/Shoreline Amphitheatre.

    Anyway, as a point of comparison, when I went to see the Idols at HP Pavilion during S7, it was sold out and I think the capacity was around 17-18k. Now, would S7 have filled up a 22k-capacity venue like Shoreline? I have no idea, but they were certainly able to fill up seats at the HP Pavilion that had really, really crappy views (e.g., I saw people seated in places where all they probably saw were the performers’ backs). So, for this area of the country, I think S9’s having sold only 6,500 seats is really a very poor showing indeed.

  62. Uncool. As an MTV reporter, wouldn’t it benefit him to NOT trash other artists?

    If you follow Jim C, you’ll realize he snarks on lots of artists. His job requires him to give his opinion and be hilarious, not remain neutral about musicians. And he, like many of the big Idol bloggers, definitely gives his opinion freely, including who/what he doesn’t like. I think that’s totally “cool” with MTV. From what I’ve gathered, in terms of Idols, he’s a big Kradison (especially Kris) fan, loves Jordin, finds Archie adorable, is neutral on Cook, and is, heh, not a big Danny fan. I like his tweets. Don’t always agree with his musical tastes and opinions, but he’s pretty hilarious.

  63. this is cr@p where is this video?

    Do you want the truth or The Truth?

  64. If the ability/expecations to be a big seller impacts the decision to get a first single written by you then why didn’t DC get one? He had huge album pre-orders and sold a crapload of downloads right after Idol. That notion doesn’t make sense.

    Perhaps with greater expectations comes greater interference/involvement by label/19 because they want to make sure that nothing effs up their master plan regarding how the artist is going to continue making them money. Whereas if the expectations are less, maybe they’ll be more willing to take chances.

    I recall that when Light On came out after Magic Rainbows becoming an unexpected not-short-lived radio hit, someone in the Cook camp actually mentioned in an interview that LO was a “transition” single for Cook. If nothing else, I think MR’s success really drove a lot of how RCA produced and chose songs for DCTR — especially going by what ended up as bonus/hidden tracks and the ratio of ballads to uptempo/rocking songs on the main album. I don’t necessarily think there is some of kind of “rule” within RCA or Jive that first singles by AI alums cannot be written by them. It just may be the case that the singles that were chosen happened to fulfill some agenda that RCA/Jive/Sony had for how that particular artist’s music would be marketed.

  65. Keel:
    08/16/2010 at 2:13 pm

    Anyway, as a point of comparison, when I went to see the Idols at HP Pavilion during S7, it was sold out and I think the capacity was around 17-18k.

    Season 7 sold 12,095 tickets in San Jose. From Kirsten’s stats: Season 7:
    July 8: San Jose, Calif: 12,095 of 12,095 (100%): $718,721

    Season 7 sold better than Season 8 in the same venue. Season 8 was:
    July 12: San Jose, California: 10,391 of 12,004 (86.5%): $643,979

  66. HappyDaisy:
    08/16/2010 at 2:28 pm
    this is cr@p where is this video?

    Do you want the truth or The Truth?

    LOL

  67. Season 7 sold 12,095 tickets in San Jose. From Kirsten’s stats: Season 7:
    July 8: San Jose, Calif: 12,095 of 12,095 (100%): $718,721

    Oh. That’s weird because the normal capacity of that venue for concerts (according to Wiki) is around 19k and other than the waaay back behind the stage section, nothing was tarped over.

  68. Perhaps with greater expectations comes greater interference/involvement by label/19 because they want to make sure that nothing effs up their master plan regarding how the artist is going to continue making them money. Whereas if the expectations are less, maybe they’ll be more willing to take chances.

    I recall that when Light On came out after Magic Rainbows becoming an unexpected not-short-lived radio hit, someone in the Cook camp actually mentioned in an interview that LO was a “transition” single for Cook. If nothing else, I think MR’s success really drove a lot of how RCA produced and chose songs for DCTR — especially going by what ended up as bonus/hidden tracks and the ratio of ballads to uptempo/rocking songs on the main album.

    You may be right, Keel. David’s the most diplomatic interviewee ever, and would never say it in so many words, but from everything I’ve heard about the record process, he was definitely micro-managed by the label, and had to “choose his battles” a lot. Rob Cavallo even said in an interview that they were TRYING to please the cougars, err… soccer moms or whatever, who voted for David on Idol. I remember Rolling Stones did a short in-progress article while the album was still recording, and the reporter guy heard some demo’s that resulted in his titling his article something like “Hardest Idol Ever?” I think at that point, he heard Bar-Ba-Sol, Breathe Tonight, and who knows what harder rock songs that ended up getting cut in favor of mom-friendly ballads. It makes me kinda sad that Cavallo and the label went so safe in the end, because RS ended up giving David a mediocre review of the final product after such a positive reaction to the preview, some of the most radio-friendly tracks ended up as bonus tracks, and we only got one pre-Idol track… Anyway, if Lee gets more creative freedom from RCA, whatever the reason, I might be a little jealous =P.

  69. If you follow Jim C, you’ll realize he snarks on lots of artists. His job requires him to give his opinion and be hilarious, not remain neutral about musicians. And he, like many of the big Idol bloggers, definitely gives his opinion freely,

    I do follow some of the stuff he says on twitter, and I am familiar with and usually like his snarkisness. I just don’t this time :)

    Kris Allen can only benefit from having Monahan on his single/video. People DO know who the guy is and he has sold many more millions of records than Kris Allen, so to infer that he is somehow sullying Kris’ video with his presence is ridic, IMHO.

    Maybe he meant it a different way, like Pat shows up in the video all of a sudden and it looked out of place, but that is not how his comment came off to me.

  70. what i find weird is that it seems that Kris is being given incorrect information.. why would he have twitted this morning that the TT mv had been added today to VH1 rotation?

    that was a funny one…
    krisallen
    If I eat this will it make me big? http://tweetphoto.com/39415784
    about 1 hour ago via Echofon

  71. Mtlfan

    That wasn’t necessarily incorrect info Kris tweeted. It’s my understanding that MTV and VH1 add new videos to their playlists/rotation on Monday — but that doesn’t mean they will be premiered on Monday.

    Jim C’s description of the video makes it sound very cool (even with the snarky Pat M reference). The clip of a book being burned in the chest was intriguing, too.

    And Kris doesn’t seem worried (as usual). He’s too busy debating whether to eat magic ‘shrooms!

  72. Studio57

    It’s debatable how many people know who Pat M is. It’s more likely they would know of him of you say “Pat Monahan –lead singer of Train” than if you just say “Pat Monahan”. I know that I like a lot of bands, but I don’t necessarily know the names of the people in those bands unless I follow them on a far more than casual basis

  73. Well I agree with the idea that the use of a lot of pre-Idol music for Lee and Crystal is not a sign of faith, but lack of one. They really don’t sound like they are willing to spend a lot of money on either one. And from what we’ve heard, which granted isn’t much, given the lack of buzz around them, but there don’t seem to be the level of producers and songwriters working with both Crystal and Lee. Which would make sense along with the using pre-Idol songs. Keep things relatively cheap, and getting a return on the investment is easier to do. Given the way the coronation singles sold, and the tour, and the ratings, and the voting, putting expectations lower seems like a smart move by RCA and Jive. And heck, they may then overperform against that, than disappoint.

    I’m sure TT will be added today, or really hope it will. And hope it’s good (fingers crossed), though either way the Idol fans will do their thing and vote for it. Which works for me. The more exposure Kris and this video get? The better. I just wish this had been done weeks ago. But oh wells. Onwards and upwards. I remain hopeful that the video can help TT like the video seemed to have helped IIHY. Though I will say, Adam seems to have get a lot more love from VH1 as a whole, than Kris. So even a part of the love they have for Adam, going to Kris? would make me a happy girl.

    Oh and it will be interesting to see if Lee gets his lead single a co-write. As a David Cook and Kris fan, not sure how I feel about it. But probably nothing good.

    Oh and oh, as long as it’s not Linda Holmes talking to Adam from NPR, I’m all good. Totally aside from Adam, Miss Alli has bugged me from TWoP from years ago, and for years. (I mean not even an Old Spice guy shout-out can make me like her at this point).

  74. Kris Allen can only benefit from having Monahan on his single/video. People DO know who the guy is and he has sold many more millions of records than Kris Allen, so to infer that he is somehow sullying Kris’ video with his presence is ridic, IMHO.

    It may be ridic to you, but it’s just an opinion. Jim doesn’t like Pat M’s presence in the video, and he tweeted as much in a very unfiltered, typical Jim C. way. We haven’t seen the video yet, but I have a feeling he won’t be the only one to hold this “ridic” opinion. You can sell a kagillion records and still “sully” someone’s MV if it simply doesn’t fit.

    Maybe he meant it a different way, like Pat shows up in the video all of a sudden and it looked out of place, but that is not how his comment came off to me.

    That’s how it came off to me– I figured that’s what he meant, but chose to express it with snark. Shrugs. I don’t think Pat M would care at all, or is crying into his cereal from this comment. Entertainment folks who have been around this long have thick skin.

  75. Season 7 sold 12,095 tickets in San Jose. From Kirsten’s stats: Season 7:
    July 8: San Jose, Calif: 12,095 of 12,095 (100%): $718,721

    Season 7 sold better than Season 8 in the same venue. Season 8 was:
    July 12: San Jose, California: 10,391 of 12,004 (86.5%): $643,979

    I think there were two shows in the Bay Area last year. I’m pretty sure there was a show in Oakland, about 45 minutes away.

  76. Well I agree with the idea that the use of a lot of pre-Idol music for Lee and Crystal is not a sign of faith, but lack of one. They really don’t sound like they are willing to spend a lot of money on either one.

    Hmm… if that’s the logic (it kinda makes sense to me actually), I guess I should stop crossing my fingers for more songs from David Cook’s lost indie album (the one he had completed prior to going on Idol) or even some of my faves from Analog Heart to ever see the light of day on an RCA record? Because an RCA album jammed full of pre-Idol stuff might be a sign of lost faith/the apocalypse, i.e. David’s about to get dropped? So an album of pre-Idol songs is the new cover album. Its presence will mean the writing’s on the wall for our artist the way it was for Clay when he did a cover album with RCA…?

  77. So an album of pre-Idol songs is the new cover album. Its presence will mean the writing’s on the wall for our artist the way it was for Clay when he did a cover album with RCA…?

    I’d say not necessarily. They may just be keeping the profit margins as high as possible. The trick will be in the quality of their pre-idol writing. Will they be good enough to sell albums in the 100Ks? I don’t really have much of an opinion about Lee or Crystal, but I’ve heard from fans time and again what great songwriters they are. So I suppose it could be a moment of truth? maybe?

  78. Because an RCA album jammed full of pre-Idol stuff might be a sign of lost faith/the apocalypse, i.e. David’s about to get dropped? So an album of pre-Idol songs is the new cover album. Its presence will mean the writing’s on the wall for our artist the way it was for Clay when he did a cover album with RCA…?

    This is pretty much what I’ve assumed for Cook. Cook is reasonably risk-aware, if not -averse. Right now, he has 1.9 albums of material that he could a) use to burn off his contract obligations toward the end of the cycle or b) re-release immediately in the event that RCA passed on his option earlier than that. So I’m not expecting to see them until this ride is over, on whosever terms that happens to be.

    But, Cook, that doesn’t keep you from playing more than two of them in concert now and again. Just so you know.

    For LD and CB, it might in fact be more about trying to actually make a profit off of them by reducing expenses as much as possible while still saving room for a few solid collaborators. But the fact that LD isn’t even allowed to name his collaborators reads more like “we don’t think anyone is going to be impressed” than the reverse. People are downright giddy over the Perry/Etheridge/Franti mentions for CB, because they seem to suit. And I feel like we’ve heard more about collaborations with the winners by this point in years past.

  79. I need someone to rewrite ALL the lyrics to Soul Sister, because I love the music but cannot stand the lyrics.

    Hahaha, I’m glad I’m not alone – I love the music but I *hate* the lyrics. Though that’s true for most of Train’s music… just not my thing.

  80. phil25:
    08/16/2010 at 3:30 pm

    Season 7 sold 12,095 tickets in San Jose. From Kirsten’s stats: Season 7:
    July 8: San Jose, Calif: 12,095 of 12,095 (100%): $718,721

    Season 7 sold better than Season 8 in the same venue. Season 8 was:
    July 12: San Jose, California: 10,391 of 12,004 (86.5%): $643,979

    I think there were two shows in the Bay Area last year. I’m pretty sure there was a show in Oakland, about 45 minutes away.

    There was… I didn’t see a 2nd show for Season 7 but maybe a Season 7 expert knows..

    Season 8
    July 11: Oakland, California: 8,459 of 12,525 (68%): $535,316
    July 12: San Jose, California: 10,391 of 12,004 (86.5%): $643,979

  81. tierbee:
    08/16/2010 at 4:01 pm

    I need someone to rewrite ALL the lyrics to Soul Sister, because I love the music but cannot stand the lyrics.

    Hahaha, I’m glad I’m not alone – I love the music but I *hate* the lyrics. Though that’s true for most of Train’s music… just not my thing.

    Urgh, I agree, the “unshaved chest” line squicks me out every single time. For the new song…”Winger”?? Really???

  82. girlygirl,
    yeah I know Kris wouldn’t be misleading us ..but like a lot of people i didn’t make the difference between the add to vh1 rotation and the premiere of it on it.

  83. tripp_ncwy:
    08/16/2010 at 1:19 pm
    jambajim
    The video is pretty! And artsy! And emo! And then…….. “Train” dude shows up. Sigh. If Pat M. were a Halloween treat, he’d be a penny.

    The pretty, artsy, emo side is the producer’s work, he/she won’t have run away during Pat’s part. If Jim is missing Kris’ pretty face, then.. no comment…

  84. I guess I should stop crossing my fingers for more songs from David Cook’s lost indie album (the one he had completed prior to going on Idol) or even some of my faves from Analog Heart to ever see the light of day on an RCA record? Because an RCA album jammed full of pre-Idol stuff might be a sign of lost faith/the apocalypse, i.e. David’s about to get dropped? So an album of pre-Idol songs is the new cover album. Its presence will mean the writing’s on the wall for our artist the way it was for Clay when he did a cover album with RCA…?

    Possibly. But I think that it’s more telling that on the first album, where neither Lee nor Crystal have established themselves in an ability to sell anything, that the labels seem to me, to be doing these albums on the cheap. Unlike David because he has a pretty good track record with them thus far, in terms of his album sales which did have a fair amount of songs written by him. Though of course the singles were not. So maybe not an album of just pre-Idol stuff on a future albums as being a good thing, but being able to put more of it on future albums? not a problem.

    Though honestly I don’t know why he would want to do that? I mean I get the fans liking it, and maybe David does like some of it and would like to put it out on future albums. But why wouldn’t he want to move onwards and upwards? Record songs about his life and who he is now. Don’t songwriters like to continue to make new songs, and about their latest experiences and thoughts, and not rehash where they were before? David strikes me as someone who is really into that and will really enjoy new ones to express himself.

    Not to mention that unfortunately, as part of making a commerical album, is looking at how to get it airplay. Not necessarily totally compromising one’s basic sound and who they are, but maybe being okay with incorporating some things that can make give it a patina of what is popular. Hence working with someone like Claude Kelly.

  85. Will they be good enough to sell albums in the 100Ks?

    Wait, is that the new standard for success now, for S9? Oh wait, maybe I’m misunderstanding does 100Ks mean 100Kish total, or 100-900K?

    Urgh, I agree, the “unshaved chest” line squicks me out every single time.

    Not just the untrimmed chest line (though that takes the cake as the worst lyric in the song), but I mean, a white boy calling someone “soul sister” is pretty ridiculous, mister mister is lazy rhyming, lipstick stains on the front lobe of your left side brain, WTAF? The whole song is not fun, bubbly happy, but trite mixed with absurd.

    Right now, he has 1.9 albums of material that he could a) use to burn off his contract obligations toward the end of the cycle or b) re-release immediately in the event that RCA passed on his option earlier than that. So I’m not expecting to see them until this ride is over, on whosever terms that happens to be.

    I’m glad David got a place with a studio and is good buds with folks like Raine and other songwriters who all have their own studios, are capable of supporting a DIY path, etc. I’d like to see David make 5 successful albums with RCA and be established before parting ways and doing his own thing, but I’m just happy that at least he’ll be fine to continue making music for a long time through various means even if things don’t work out that way. I’m still waiting for Kelly to finish out her contract with RCA and see how she’ll redefine herself once she’s not doing bubblegum pop…

    But why wouldn’t he want to move onwards and upwards? Record songs about his life and who he is now. Don’t songwriters like to continue to make new songs, and about their latest experiences and thoughts, and not rehash where they were before? David strikes me as someone who is really into that and will really enjoy new ones to express himself.

    I think you’re absolutely right there. I think that’s why he only does one Analog Heart song in concert, Straight Ahead, and it’s because that 2006 song eerily captures his current life as well. I also have this theory that this is also why he rarely plays Life On The Moon in concert. I feel like that song was so specifically about the Idol experience that it was like a snapshot of a time that’s since passed, and he doesn’t really “feel” it anymore.

  86. LOL, the untrimmed chest makes me want to hurl. I don’t want to hear about *anyone’s* untrimmed chest. Not even Cook’s. Nope.

  87. I think there were two shows in the Bay Area last year. I’m pretty sure there was a show in Oakland, about 45 minutes away.

    Season 7 & Season 8 had the same number of shows in California (5). Both had shows in LA, Sacramento, San Diego, and San Jose. Season 8 had a show in Oakland, while Season 7 had one in Fresno. As to whether that had an influence on turnout at San Jose for either season, I really don’t know, since I’m not familiar with distances and travel times for cities in California. But I would think, given the large population of the area, a second show 45 minutes away shouldn’t affect the totals of any one venue that much.

  88. About Time!!!!! Something positive today.

    JiveMusic
    @KrisAllen’s “The Truth” will be on VH1 starting tmrw! Stay tuned 2 KrisAllenOfficial.com for news about the Exclusive ONLINE PREMIERE!

  89. Posting from KAO….

    Hey Kris fans, just wanted to give you the heads up that the official video for “The Truth” will be making its broadcast debut TOMORROW on VH1. After you catch it on TV tomorrow, stay tuned right here to learn more about the online premiere of the video, going live on 8.18.10.

    In the meantime, after seeing Kris’ twitpics and the teaser videos below, what do you think will be happening in the video? Discuss amongst yourselves.

  90. Wait, is that the new standard for success now, for S9? Oh wait, maybe I’m misunderstanding does 100Ks mean 100Kish total, or 100-900K?

    I’m thinking 100 – 500K would be my expectation if you are going to forego big writers, but still keep in mind that one is a winner and one is a runner up. That’s just my expectation/guess. I’m also not just thinking out the gate, but over the course of a year. Remember this is a ‘proof of concept’ – first idol albums are generally subpar. YMMV and all that jazz.

    ETA: with regard to success. Thats relative. If they put out mostly their own material that in itself may be a marker of their success. Personally I don’t measure idol success with a $$ yardstick. To me if they are doing what they want, they are a success.

  91. SonyMusicMktg
    Yay! @KrisAllen’s “The Truth” will be on VH1 starting 2morrow! Check KrisAllenOfficial.com for news about the ONLINE PREMIERE!

  92. And I feel like we’ve heard more about collaborations with the winners by this point in years past.

    Exactly – I didn’t follow Cook that closely, but by this time last year we knew that Kris had worked with Joe King, Matt Kearny and other. We knew that RedOne wanted to work with Adam. I think we knew they were hoping to hook Allison up with Max Martin.

    This year, we’ve heard a little bit about some of the non-stock and interesting people that are going to be working with Crystal (but why has there been nothing started with her yet, which is standara operating procedures.) This yearwe haven’t heard of Lee working with anyone interesting beyond the standard Sony writers.

  93. Hey Kris fans, just wanted to give you the heads up that the official video for “The Truth” will be making its broadcast debut TOMORROW on VH1. After you catch it on TV tomorrow, stay tuned right here to learn more about the online premiere of the video, going live on 8.18.10.

    Okay, so to see it tomorrow you have to watch VH1? I can’t, don’t have cable. Does this mean I have to wait until Wed.?

    ETA: I’m thrilled to have an announcement though!! :D

  94. Season 7 & Season 8 had the same number of shows in California (5). Both had shows in LA, Sacramento, San Diego, and San Jose. Season 8 had a show in Oakland, while Season 7 had one in Fresno. As to whether that had an influence on turnout at San Jose for either season, I really don’t know, since I’m not familiar with distances and travel times for cities in California.

    Fresno is 3 hours away from San Jose. Sacramento is actually closer to SJ than Fresno — only 2 hours away.

  95. The pretty, artsy, emo side is the producer’s work, he/she won’t have run away during Pat’s part.

    I think he means the video is pretty, artsy and emo, and then suddenly Pat shows up and it’s jarring, and snaps one out of the aforementioned vibe. That’s my interpretation, anyway. Besides, Jim was trying to be funny, so I take his tweet with a grain of salt. I tweet hyperboles sometimes just cuz it comes off more witty =P.

    Season 7 & Season 8 had the same number of shows in California (5).

    Thank you! I mean… aren’t we getting a little nitpicky with the minor details here? Bottom line- both S8 and S7 tours OVERALL sold GREAT, had high revenues, high percentages of seats sold, lots of soldout shows. I don’t get why the specifics of how close a few of the CA venues were matters when the big picture is pretty clear without inspecting those details.

  96. cookcricket:
    08/16/2010 at 4:34 pm
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    y Kris fans, just wanted to give you the heads up that the official video for “The Truth” will be making its broadcast debut TOMORROW on VH1. After you catch it on TV tomorrow, stay tuned right here to learn more about the online premiere of the video, going live on 8.18.10.

    Okay, so to see it tomorrow you have to watch VH1? I can’t, don’t have cable. Does this mean I have to wait until Wed.?

    More than likely someone will rip it off VH1 and post it on youtube within 10 minutes of airing. That’s what usually happens.

  97. Oh. That’s weird because the normal capacity of that venue for concerts (according to Wiki) is around 19k and other than the waaay back behind the stage section, nothing was tarped over.

    Different shows at the same venue can have very different capacity, it just depends on how they configure the venue. Daughtry’s show there had a capacity of only around 6,000. The number in wiki is likely to be for maximum capacity, not normal capacity, I suspect that it’s rare to have concert shows there with capacity of 19K.

    I think they decide beforehand what’s the audience they can expect, then choose the appropriate configuration. Pointless to have a 19K capacity for, say, a Daughtry show if he can only draw about 6-7K. It it doesn’t look good for him or anyone else to play to an apparently largely empty stadium.

    Season 7 & Season 8 had the same number of shows in California (5)

    Season 8 had 6 in California, an extra place called Ontario (no, it’s not Canadian, they did have a show in the Canadian Ontario though), no idea where that is. They just schedule the tour to where they think there’s likely to be an audience. There were 53 shows in Season 7, 52 shows in Season 8, so they obviously scheduled more shows outside of California for Season 7.

    I’m thinking 100 – 500K would be my expectation if you are going to forego big writers,

    I do think Lee will sell reasonably well, very likely outselling Kris. I’m predicting a gold album for him, his sound is actually very commercial. Crystal I’m not so sure, although I do expect her to sell OK. I gave a prediction for her some time ago based on her single sales, can’t quite remember how much now, perhaps ~200K.

  98. According to another site, Fantasia will have the following TV appearances to promote her album:

    8/24 – Good Morning America
    8/25 – Lopez Tonight (George Lopez)
    9/8 – 106 & Park
    9/9 – Live with Regis & Kelly
    9/10 – Wendy Williams Show

  99. More than likely someone will rip it off VH1 and post it on youtube within 10 minutes of airing. That’s what usually happens.

    And Sony will have it taken down even faster.

  100. Hazehel, thanks for the correction on Ontario,CA. I totally missed that entry on Idol Stages. Oops! :)

  101. Hazehel:
    08/16/2010 at 4:48 pm

    Oh. That’s weird because the normal capacity of that venue for concerts (according to Wiki) is around 19k and other than the waaay back behind the stage section, nothing was tarped over.

    Different shows at the same venue can have very different capacity, it just depends on how they configure the venue. Daughtry’s show there had a capacity of only around 6,000. The number in wiki is likely to be for maximum capacity, not normal capacity, I suspect that it’s rare to have concert shows there with capacity of 19K.

    I went to a hockey game at HP Pavillion and I bet for sporting events 19K is the capacity because you can utilize all of the seats around the arena.

  102. I do think Lee will sell reasonably well, very likely outselling Kris. I’m predicting a gold album for him, his sound is actually very commercial. Crystal I’m not so sure, although I do expect her to sell OK. I gave a prediction for her some time ago based on her single sales before, can’t quite remember how much now, perhaps ~200K.

    I disagree with this. Based on singles sales, which is what you are using for Crystal’s sales prediction, Kris should outsell Lee since he likelt outsold Lee in terms of singles sales based on everything that has been made known to us to date. (Kris outsold Lee on coronation singles.)

    I actually Lee will have similar sales to Kris. But it would help if we knew Kris’s total numbers at this point (which we don’t).

  103. sma11ie:
    08/16/2010 at 4:43 pm

    I tweet hyperboles sometimes

    Good lord I love tweeted hyperboles. It gets no better. I need to follow you, smallie :)

  104. More than likely someone will rip it off VH1 and post it on youtube within 10 minutes of airing. That’s what usually happens.

    And Sony will have it taken down even faster.

    yes, no doubt the typical war of attrition between YouTubers and a label will commence. As long as I get to see it at least once, it can go away afterwards.

  105. anovich:
    08/16/2010 at 5:01 pm

    I actually Lee will have similar sales to Kris. But it would help if we knew Kris’s total numbers at this point (which we don’t).

    Didn’t we get Kris’s album numbers from Mansfield a few weeks ago and he was around 315K sold?

  106. Good lord I love tweeted hyperboles. It gets no better. I need to follow you, smallie

    Aww, thanks! But actually I only tweet from my private account where I only follow and am followed by RL friends and family. I have a public account for celebs and such but I never tweet from it. I am a freak of my generation, but social networking with people I don’t know IRL freaks me out.

    And Sony will have it taken down even faster.

    yes, no doubt the typical war of attrition between YouTubers and a label will commence.

    Yes, it’ll be a battle between fans and Sony. Fans will post vids on youtube with fake names, tweet it out to other fans, then take it down within a few hours before it’s found, then post it up again a day later. Fans are resilient and determined with these things and they will keep on doing this back and forth, up and down for days, and weeks. Hee… this is basically what’s going on with David’s Paper Heart. Videos keep circulating despite Sony’s best efforts (shh…!). But I’m sure Kris’ video will go up on Vevo soon enough…

  107. I disagree with this. Based on singles sales, which is what you are using for Crystal’s sales prediction, Kris should outsell Lee since he likelt outsold Lee in terms of singles sales based on everything that has been made known to us to date. (Kris outsold Lee on coronation singles.)

    The last time I looked at this, for the winners, there is no obvious pattern in the single sales and their album sales. So we can’t say how many albums the winners will sell by just looking at single sales apart from making very broad generalisation.

    On the other hand, there is actually a reasonable correlation between the single sales of the runners-up and their album sales once you have adjusted for the decline in album sales. It’s in one of the older posts here somewhere, but I have no intention of redoing the analysis (besides, I can’t remember how I did it exactly).

  108. CindyM
    According to another site, Fantasia will have the following TV appearances to promote her album:

    8/24 – Good Morning America
    8/25 – Lopez Tonight (George Lopez)
    9/8 – 106 & Park
    9/9 – Live with Regis & Kelly
    9/10 – Wendy Williams Show

    Don’t know what Fantasia’s label is, but I wonder if they’re pissed at her for her personal shit blowing up right around CD release time, in case the negative publicity might hurt sales.

    And does anybody think the interviewers will ask her about the affair, lawsuit and suicide/not suicide attempt? That would be uncomfortable! Maybe it’ll just be all about the music. Maybe her people only booked her on the shows under the condition that they NOT ask about her personal life. Hmmm. So many questions.

  109. I am a freak of my generation, but social networking with people I don’t know IRL freaks me out.

    No probs – I don’t tweet either except for the occasional retweet. I just stalk, er… follow. Heh.

  110. Hee… this is basically what’s going on with David’s Paper Heart.

    Hee hee, I love the games we play with the label. (But I’ve been watching two versions of PH that I don’t think have ever come down. Kudos to that poster for not tagging it.) Got to love the ingenuity of fans. ;)

  111. Coronation single numbers have dont always have correlation to album sale numbers. Just look at Carrie Inside Your Heaven numbers for example. Even more so in Lee’s case I’m not ready to make sales predictions since IMO he got totally ripped off with a cover song. I’m planning on buying his album the day it comes out, but I had no desire to have his BD cover. Even the cheesiest of sappy original songs I always prefer.

  112. Hee… this is basically what’s going on with David’s Paper Heart.

    Hooray for super secret mysteriously placed Paper Heart videos. Man, I love that song.

  113. Coronation single numbers have dont always have correlation to album sale numbers.

    True. But sales of prior albums often have some correlation to album sales numbers (yes, we haven’t really seen commercial releases of pre-AI material before in the AI world, but it would not be hard for even casual fans to google and find LD’s iLike links and buy the music). Tour revenues often have some correlation to early album sales numbers.

    I don’t claim to know what benchmarks LD has set for himself, or how he defines success, or how RCA will. But I do say that all the indicators taken together don’t suggest the kind of fanbase that would make 500K copies any kind of probable result. And most new artists without invested fanbases, even with a very commercial sound, struggle to sell to those levels.

  114. Hooray for super secret mysteriously placed Paper Heart videos. Man, I love that song.

    I’ll give a hip, hip, hooray for secret vids. I love the lyrics to that song. Here’s a few lines:

    “I could watch as you fade away, but I hold on to the pain
    in these arms that just let you go; on these lips that said your name”

    Now we wait to see if it makes the last album cut.

  115. I love Paper Heart, and I love U and I, and I think it’s because they remind me of one of my top faves from DCTR, Breathe Tonight. I hope either A) PH and U&I make the record, or B) songs that I like even MORE than those two songs make the record in their stead. I was meh on Make Believe, Souvenir, We’re Only Honest… well, MB is the only one that might make the record, and it doesn’t look too likely. I just think that bottom line, despite its other merits, I don’t like the way David’s voice sounds on MB. I’m not sure about that other soundchecked song, but what I’ve heard, I’ve liked less than PH or U&I.

    I hope to hear some studio updates soon. Lee’s drop date push back has me worried. What is going on with David’s record…?

  116. Tour revenues often have some correlation to early album sales numbers.

    I’m not sure about tour revenues (ticket price changes every year), but for tour attendance that’s certainly very likely true. Fans who go to shows are the ones who will likely buy the albums. We can say with some degree of certainty that the first week sales of the Lee and Crystal won’t be great because there isn’t the same number of fans just by looking at the tour number. Perhaps a combined total for both of ~150-200k in first week sales? Or am I being optimistic? Not easy to do an analysis for his year though because the number has been skewed somewhat by the cheap tickets available.

  117. Season 8 had 6 in California, an extra place called Ontario (no, it’s not Canadian, they did have a show in the Canadian Ontario though), no idea where that is.

    LOL I grew up just outside that place called Ontario. Its part of the Inland Empire and even has its own airport and outlet mall. I don’t know why I’m finding this so damn funny. And just for the people who like trivia.. there really is a place called Cucamonga. Or maybe that is a local joke? :)

  118. “Buzz amongst Kris’s fans on twitter or on boards isn’t the kind of publicity it needs. Those people have already bought it for the most part, it needs to get on the VH1 news segments, their twitter and other media.” — CindyM

    Fan buzz is a PART of the publicity game. Isn’t the term called Street-teaming? Whether on twitter or the internet, if the buzz is loud enough, people in media will want to know what’s going on. It’s pretty simple. So tomorrow is a go for the video on VH-1. It may very well be shown during the countdown. I guess we’ll have to wait and see when it shows up …

    As far as the video already being bought by the fans, it’s not a sale until the funds are recieved. I guess it would be “don’t count your chickens until they’re hatched”.

  119. Hazelhel

    Sorry but there’s no evidence to back up the idea that Lee will outsell Kris.

    1. Kris has the bigger fanbase (I know this is only one way of measuring a fanbase, but Lee barely has 46K followers on twitter, despite tweeting obsessively every freakin’ day (overkill, Lee); by the time Kris got off the AI tour last year, he had more than 100K followers (as did Danny, for that matter) )
    2. Kris had a Top 15 “hit” with his crap coronation song. In fact, “No Boundaries” STILL gets the occasional spin; Lee’s is the worst selling coronation song ever
    3. Kris’s S8 downloads (Heartless, ANS, etc) have easily outsold Lee’s, with Heartless charting in the Top 20 (S8 version)
    4. The whole Kris vs. Adam thing had WAY more buzz than Lee vs. Crystal ever did
    5. Despite all the talk about Lee’s pre-Idol albums, Slumberland barely sold 10K, suggesting that there isn’t exactly a rabid fanbase eager to buy anything Lee puts out
    6. Lee is probably more a AAA format guy than a Pop or Hot AC type. BIG PROBLEM – AAA stations REFUSE to play anything to do wih Idol; case in point — didn’t his old label supposedly release one of his songs as a single in June? Has it gotten any airplay at all? Not that I know of

    Now I’m biased since I’m a huge Kris fan and am indifferent to Lee. But still, I fail to see exactly what suggests that Lee could outsell Kris — given the additional facts that AI’s popularity has continue to drop, Lee isn’t getting any national publicity and he currently has no radio presence. He’s dealing with having to dig himself out of a much bigger hole than Kris had to deal with last fall. COULD he outsell Kris? Yes. Is it likely? No.

  120. Since most of the AI buzz this summer is about the judges panel I don’t think Lee, Crystal, or Casey (if he is signed) will have a big impact on the recording industry when their albums drop. And the AI fanbase is going to be caught up with both of the Davids new albums, Adam’s international tour, and isn’t Kelly about ready to put a new album out.

    I really feel that the AI “fans” are into Idol fatigue and the newbies will get the short end of the stick on this one. Lee will have a tough time mustering up much interest, and so will Crystal. The online community hasn’t been real active this summer in keeping these guys front and center, and the media barely mentions the tour or the idolettes of Season 9.

    I don’t think that interest for a new album can just be generated out of the blue. There has to be some buzz for it, and as of yet all is damn quiet on the recording end…and this hasn’t been the case for years.

  121. As far as the video already being bought by the fans, it’s not a sale until the funds are recieved. I guess it would be “don’t count your chickens until they’re hatched”.

    I wasn’t talking about the music video being bought by the fans. The earlier posts talked about the music video helping with Itunes single sales. Those are the sales I was talking about. I know that the music video hasn’t been sold yet.

    I’m a bit confused. My response was based on your original post which talked about NEGATIVE buzz from fans regarding the delay, lack of roll out.

    The powers will take your barbs, insults, disgust, et al, if it keeps you all talking about Kris Allen and The Truth.

    There was lots of negative buzz when Pat Monahan was added to the track from fans. I only saw stories by Michael Slezak and Jim C. regarding the situation. Didn’t see mainstream media or much more about it. Maybe the negative buzz you’re talking about from fans will have a different effect this time. Personally, I think positive buzz about the video will do Kris alot more good than more buzz from fans that he’s not being treated right. YMMV. Based on Jim C’s tweet, I hope he plans to write about how great the video is rather than concentrate on how bad he thinks the Pat Monahan cameo is.

  122. But still, I fail to see exactly what suggests that Lee could outsell Kris

    Well, I said it already, I think Lee has a more commercial sound. I don’t think Lee will do great for his early sales (even if I do see him selling slightly better than Kris the first week), but I see him doing well in the long run.

    I’m not sure what to make of the Twitter thing, if that is a measure of fan base, then Jordin Sparks should be selling tons of her second album. She didn’t. And her tour flopped.

    Also can’t help noticing that Adam, Kris, Jordin and a whole slew of other idols have more followers than David Cook. Perhaps someone can make some sense of that.

    Anyway, I do think Season 8 is very much an anomaly. Kris was almost invisible amid all the hype about Adam, Season 5 is perhaps the only other season where the winner got completely overlooked in favor of another. Lee will likely get better promotion than Kris.

    ETA – forgot to add, just me being pedantic, and doesn’t change your point, but Slumberland sold over 12K.

  123. Also can’t help noticing that Adam, Kris, Jordin and a whole slew of other idols have more followers than David Cook. Perhaps someone can make some sense of that.

    David got started on twitter after the Season 8 tour, right?? If he had gotten on twitter during his touring, he’d have a bunch more. I bet he really increases when he releases his new single/album.

    The Season 8 cast tweeted a lot of info during the tour and due to Matt and Danny, there were lots of bubble tweets that fans of all the idols liked to see. I think this is one reason the Season 8 cast finished the tour with high number of twitter followers. I think the increases since the tour probably are a better indicator for Season 8.

    I agree with you about Lee, I’m not ready to write him off and say he’ll be the worst selling idol. He may have a lot of fans who aren’t on twitter, idol blogs etc. He seems to be getting alot of positive fan reaction at the tour. I think it depends on the music and whether he has a hit single that people identify him with and then are willing to buy the album. I think he’s also going to get a lot of promo shots on all the usual shows and that will definitely help him. I don’t think he’ll get BETTER promo than Kris, because Kris got all the customary winner promo, but I think it will be more effective for Lee without an Adam in the mix.

  124. The twitter thing doesn’t mean anything, and Lee is very responsive to his fans, that’s why he often twitters(and it’s not every day either). Nothing wrong with that and I wouldn’t call it overkill.

  125. Also can’t help noticing that Adam, Kris, Jordin and a whole slew of other idols have more followers than David Cook. Perhaps someone can make some sense of that.

    LOL and those 3 have way more followers than Chris Daughtry who has outsold them all. In fact I remember when Kris just got on Twitter he surpassed Chris in followers rather quickly.

    Anyway we have no clue what Lee’s finished songs will sound like and what format they will fit. I suspect he’ll find a place on HAC though.

    BTW just got the new EW and there’s a new ad for Stand Up 2 Cancer, has a bunch of names printed across the background and DC’s name is one of them. After he ended up getting cut last time I’m taking his name being there with a grain of salt but hopefully…

  126. David got started on twitter after the Season 8 tour, right?? If he had gotten on twitter during his touring, he’d have a bunch more. I bet he really increases when he releases his new single/album.

    David Cook got started a year ago last week on Twitter. I think that some fans might have stayed on the message boards because that’s where they started. Season 8 people got on twitter right away after the show ended. Really, twitter didn’t become popular with celebrities until last spring, and he didn’t initially see how he could use it.

    The other thing is also with twitter is that you don’t have to follow someone to read what they are saying.

  127. FYI, there is a Cucamonga – Rancho Cucamonga, to be specific. I used to live in the neighboring city.

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