Idol Headlines for 04/01/10 – The Evening Edition

SomethingPitchy Broadcast: 10 Things we Hate About ‘Idol’

In this week’s episode, the SomethingPitchy panel dishes on Didi Benami’s elimination, whether ‘Idol’ hates women and what songs the contestants should sing for next week’s Lennon-McCarthy theme.

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Joining host Andy Scott were Brooke Tarnoff (PopEater’s Girls on Pop), Rae Votta (AOL Music), MJ Santilli (MJ’sBigBlog) and, in a first since February, the hilarious Jim Cantiello of MTV News.

AOL.com

Has ‘Dancing With the Stars’ dethroned ‘American Idol’ as America’s No. 1 show?

Well, certainly Season 10 of “DWTS” has gotten off to a potent start, which may be what happens when Pamela Anderson, Shannen Doherty and Kate Gosselin show up to dance their feet sore. ABC says that it has emerged as the nation’s No. 1 show because the “DWTS” average audience the last two weeks (23.6 million) has outdrawn — albeit barely — the Tuesday total for “Idol” (23 million) that same fortnight period. This week, the Monday edition of “DWTS” (23 million) beat out both the Tuesday (21.8 million) and Wednesday (20.5 million) editions of “Idol” for the first time ever. And overall, “DWTS” is up 30% this season in total viewers.

However, there are a few asterisks to those great “DWTS” highlights. First, ABC’s dance show has only been back a couple of weeks, and there’s no telling whether viewer fascination with its tabloid-worthy cast will fade over the next few airings. And that big audience for “DWTS” still skews old — much older than for “Idol, ” which routinely trounces the dancing show among young adults. A whopping 60% of the “DWTS” audience is over 50 years old, compared with just 37% for “Idol.” In fact, this Tuesday, when “Idol” faced “DWTS” in head-to-head competition, Fox’s singing show scored a 7.2 rating among adults aged 18 to 49. ABC notched a 3.0. The Tuesday “Idol” also clobbered “DWTS” even among all viewers (21.8 million versus 14.3 million).

LA Times

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‘American Idol’ Exit Q&A: Didi Benami on her ‘uncomfortable’ moment with Ryan on stage

Didi Benami used her distinct voice and singer-songwriter style to crack the top 10 on American Idol. But in the end, Benami was the third girl in so many weeks to get voted off the show. In a phone interview with EW.com, 23-year-old Benami talks about what went wrong, her awkward moment with Ryan Seacrest during Tuesday night’s show, and her plans to record the music penned by her friend Rebecca Joy Lear, a fellow singer-songwriter who died in a car accident in 2005.

Entertainment Weekly

‘American Idol’ Says Bye-Bye To Didi Benami, Our Panel Saw The Exit Sign

Even though the judges predicted that a female would win this season, women are quickly becoming an endangered species on “American Idol.” Last night’s ouster of a teary-eyed Didi Benami leaves the ladies with just three representatives: Crystal Bowersox, Siobhan Magnus and Katie Stevens (who’s slummed it in the bottom-three for two straight weeks and is in serious danger during next week’s Lennon/McCartney-themed show).

MTV

The week’s final Idol Meter results

Ken Barnes has updated Idol Meter to reflect Didi Benami’s ouster. “Aesthetically, it was a most satisfying bottom two, ” Ken writes. “The viewer couldn’t lose. Didi dug her own grave by straying from her strengths, dubious as they were, in an attempt to demonstrate her versatility.” And Tim? He survives “better than any dozen Gloria Gaynor impersonators.”

USA Today

Why Tim Urban needs to stick around

I’ve decided I’m ready for Tim Urban to hang around a couple more weeks. Not because I enjoy listening to him sing. (I don’t.) Not because I think he’s more talented than some of the other contestants on the show. (He’s not, nor is he as good as many who have preceded him.) Not even because when he appears on the screen, my 8-year-old daughter whispers to my wife, “I love him” (which she does, and I know that she will cry the night he finally goes home).

USAToday

This week, he proves he’s the new mastermind of Idol.

Forget Simon Cowell. Forget Simon Fuller. You know what? Forget Simon and Garfunkel, Simon Bólivar, and Simon de Montfort, too (look him up! And then …forget him)—because Ryan Seacrest is the new mastermind of Idol. Between his continued breaching of Cowell’s desk-area restraining order and his superpersonal questions for the singers, Ryan seems to be taking advantage of this season’s chaos to openly manipulate the contestants, the judges, and especially America. This week, he stoutly defended Teflon Tim’s perpetual good cheer, tried to motivate votes by badgering Didi into crying about her dead friend, told us in no uncertain terms that Mike Lynche equals Ruben Studdard, and pulled the “Vote for My Awesome Mom” card on behalf of Andrew Garcia.

Slate.com

‘American Idol’ Castoff Paige Miles Loves Coloring, Owns ‘From Justin To Kelly’ On DVD

We recently caught up with Paige Miles at the tail end of her six day “I Just Got Cut From ‘American Idol’ Now What Do I Do?” press tour (which included a positively stellar performance on “The Late Show With David Letterman”). Instead of posing the same five questions she had been asked a hundred times, I thought it’d be fun to kick back and bust out the crayons. One of the few things we learned about the schoolteacher was that she liked to relax by taking out a Crayola box and a coloring book. (I created a bunch of “Idol”-themed photos for her to color. Why fun in a hippo when you could scribble on Ryan Seacrest?)

MTV

Daughtry finds rock groove in second album

The biggest-selling rock act in recent memory is about to hit town, and it’s not even Nickelback, Kings of Leon or Green Day.

Daughtry, fronted by “American Idol” Season 5 competitor Chris Daughtry, holds that distinction thanks to its self-titled 2006 CD, which includes the hits “It’s Not Over” and “Home.” It was the top rock release two years in a row and the fastest-selling rock debut since Soundscan began tracking sales.

“That was never a thought in my mind, ” Daughtry says of his album’s success. “I just wanted to put out the best thing I could.”

Quite the feat for someone who placed after Taylor Hicks, Katharine McPhee and Elliott Yamin on “Idol.”

STLToday

Jennifer Hudson’s Design Shines on New ‘7-Eleven Coffee Cup With A Cause’

CHICAGO and DALLAS, April 1 /PRNewswire/ — Oscar and Grammy award-winner Jennifer Hudson chose a candle to light up the side of the second celebrity-designed “7-Eleven® Coffee Cup With A Cause.” Hudson’s cup goes on sale today at participating 7-Eleven stores across the U.S. and will be available through May 31 or while supplies last. Proceeds from the cup featuring Hudson’s personal design will benefit her designated charity, Boys & Girls Clubs of America.

Hudson made a surprise appearance at a Chicago-area Boys & Girls Clubs of America location March 31 to formally announce her partnership with 7-Eleven and officially launch the cup’s sales. Featuring a brightly burning candle as the focal point, the cup is inscribed with the words “Light of Peace” in Hudson’s handwriting.

PRNewswire

AMERICAN IDOL’s Melissa Doolittle Stars in Miracle Theatre’s JOSEPH Thru April 9

American Idol finalist Melinda Doolittle is starring in the Miracle Theater’s Broadway-style production of Tim Rice’s and Andrew Lloyd Webber’s “Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat” thru April 9.

Nashville is where she got her start in music attending Belmont University and later working as a background singer for stars such as Michael McDonald, Aaron Neville, CeCe Winans and gospel group Anointed before auditioning with three other friends for American Idol for Season 6.

Her father was a drummer, and she grew up listening to his record collection of R&B artists and music took root in her soul. Her debut album “Coming Back to You” was hailed by critics.

Broadway World.com

SNEAK PEEK: ‘Gossip Girl’ and ‘Glee’ Stars ‘Shine’ in New Op Campaign

How did Gossip Girl’s Vanessa Abrams find herself in a cuddle puddle with Glee clubbers Finn Hudson and Quinn Fabray? The trio–Jessica Szohr, Cory Monteith and Dianna Agron–are starring in this spring’s upcoming ad campaign for juniors clothing brand Op, along with R&B singer Cassie, 90210’s Trevor Donovan, and Alex Meraz of The Twilight Saga: New Moon and Eclipse. The “Rock Your Shine” campaign, shot by photographer Larry Bartholomew, is set at an imagined summer block party, and features the young stars lounging in a hammock, barbecuing, and getting ready to head out surfing, all while wearing sexy and sweet beach-ready pieces.

People

Spotted: ‘Dancing with the Stars” Maksim Chmerkovskiy and Erin Andrews

“Dancing with the Stars”‘ most flirty pair Erin Andrews and Maksim Chmerkovskiy were spotted leaving the dance studio along with their fellow dancers!

While Maks kept mum, Erin got playful by turning the cameras on the the photogs and shouting out the questions they usually ask her, like, “are you dating?” But when the paps turned it around and asked her the question, she didn’t give an answer.

Meanwhile, “The Insider”‘s Niecy Nash said she was sad about Shannen Doherty getting the boot — while Buzz Aldrin said he’d “be back week after week.”

Check out the new video for more from your favorite “Dancing” stars!

ET Online

‘Dancing With the Stars’: Derek Hough and Nicole Scherzinger hot on and off dance floor?

“Dancing With the Stars” pro dancer Derek Hough has a history of dating his co-“stars” (ahem, Shannon Elizabeth), so why should we believe him when he denies a relationship with partner Nicole Scherzinger — after a spotted public smooch two weeks ago?

“I think it’s always best to keep things professional and keep it all separate, ” the 24-year-old pro told Hollywood Life at the LA premiere of “The Clash of the Titans” March 31. When questioned about any romantic connection between him and his Pussycat Doll partner, he said, “No, [we’re not dating], not at all.”

The problem with that claim is that Hollywood Life caught the dancing duo making out on the dance floor at Hollywood hotspot Drai’s on March 17.

Zap2it.com

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102 Comments

  1. I watched the whole something pitchy and I can’t say I disagree with much of it. Tim being around for lulzy factor alone, sorry mj!

  2. I agree about Kara’s remarks to Tim..that to me made her a bit ugly. Yes the guy can’t sing very well, but unless he’s an idiot it appears he “gets” it. His responses are mature and good natured. Because he’s not falling apart, crying or arguing w/them or looking fierce…what do they expect?

  3. Seacrest needs to be reined in a bit. Last year the judges were too eager to steal the limelight from the contestants, this year they are slightly more subdued and Ryan is jumping into the void. It’s making him come off as overly obnoxious and we all know there is room for only one overly obnoxious adult on the show!

  4. I was watching Fringe while browsing this place and Kris voice came in.
    I thought: wait this is not idol night, but yes !! for the first time ever I saw Kris Ford’s ad outside of AI. The one with “most people are good with talking”.

    And about Max and Erin of DWTS, I won’t be surprised if they are dating because their insane chemistry from their interview at Bonnie Hunt about a week ago.

  5. The somethingpitchy broadcasts are so much better this year than they were last year! i love them so much!!! I love how everybody is coming to the dark side and roots for Timmy. MJ stay there we need somebody sane to keep it real. It’s just this year overall is so bad that you need someone to get behind and i really like Crystal, Lee and even Siobhan and Mike a bit, but for whatever reason i can’t get attached to them personally enough to root for them and it’s really fun to see how much the judges and some people are pissed off when their favourite gets eliminated and Timmy gets yet another week. I mean really, he is soooo terrible that i genuinely love him. I don’t care how cute he is, it’s so clear he shouldn’t be there and it’s the people’s anger and lack of talent in this season that makes me root for him. I really embraced VFTW for the first time in my life i quess, because i can’t take this horror seriously and i still want to watch. Or i can’t not watch rather….
    The panel of judges, contestants, Seacrest…everything sucks so much. Without Paula and Nigel this show lost it’s mojo. It was horrible last year from the producer standpoint, but they had many good contestants that most people closed their eyes. This year….total mess.

  6. I don’t mind Tim being there. He tried out for the show, and through luck he made it to the top 24. Then those who vote for AI keep voting for him. I’m not invested in anyone this year, so I will just watch how it plays out. Still can’t stand VFTW and won’t give them any hits.

  7. I have decided to stay loyal to a girl winning this year! And that girl is not Katie. (sorry sweetie, you seem sweet but you have to get past the pageantry.) Sooo, since Crystal is someone I would buy music from and attend a concert for she’s number one for sure!! She has yet to disappoint me. I have loved her since before the top 24. However, if Siobhan could get it together I’d be fine with her as well.

    Having said this, I also agree (w/ most of the Something’s Pitchy gang) about how Kara treated Tim last night. He really needs to go soon, but he does make the show a little more interesting. LOL. I have never and will never vote for him, but… Ryan (getting too big for his britches) has been pretty mean to him a couple of times as well. I’m almost wondering if Ryan is a little scared about this show that has made him who he is. It’s okay Ryan, relax and enjoy. Take a cue from Tim. :D

    This is a transition yr. and next yr. will be too. If everyone hangs in there and relaxes, AI will continue, imo.

    Different subject: Yay to the Kris commercials!!!! These are both shows I generally watch, but didn’t tonight. The Fringe and Letterman.

  8. I am so excited Adam changed his twitter bio today

    Prepping for North American Summer Tour! Glam is back! For Your Entertainment

    I can’t wait

  9. I really don’t think Tim had the second lowest vote. At least he is interesting. Hehehe…and the young girls really seem to like him, according to my niece.

    Yes, Ryan is pushing the envelope a bit too much – and it will continue.

  10. Grammie Kari, my daughter loves Tim and pretty much votes for him exclusively. Aaron is her second fave. In fact she said she never wanted to see Aaron’s face on the big screen at the end, meaning a good-bye vid. I think she realizes Tim’s days are numbered.

  11. While reading this LA Times article, I have to wonder, why do people keep bringing up Imagine when talking about next week’s theme? Yes it’s a Lennon song, but it’s not a part of the Lennon/McCartney songbook!

  12. i’d guess it’s because it’s one of those real watercooler moments that has been indelibly stamped in many people’s memories – not just as a beatles related song, but as arguably one of the best vocal performances ever on the show. it generates as much discussion now as it did the night david sung it, so it’s become a touchstone or reference point used frequently in many articles. i’m sure someone will one night attempt to sing it again, it’s not off the table i’d assume. i just hope they’re on their ‘a’ game when they do, because the specter of david’s performance is going to be all over them. good luck to whoever tackles it again.

  13. Ryan really does seem to be on crack this season huh? But somehow i find it enjoyable to watch. At least he’s injecting some life into this so-called party. I loved his reaction when Mike picked him up and he acted all “I’m ok, i’m fine. Didn’t break a bone or anything.” LMAO!

  14. I enjoyed the SomethingPitchy recap this week, the panel was so much better.
    Also love the ‘Why Tim Urban needs to stick around’ USA Today article. I actually enjoy Tim’s performances more than some technically better others, and Tim gave a great answer to Kara on the result show.
    Go Tim go…

  15. Seacrest needs to be reined in a bit. Last year the judges were too eager to steal the limelight from the contestants, this year they are slightly more subdued and Ryan is jumping into the void.

    I think Seacrest realizes that some of these contestants are dull, and not all that entertaining. He’s trying desperately to save the show from being a snoozefest. He may not be doing the best job of it, but at least he’s trying.

    I have to wonder, why do people keep bringing up Imagine when talking about next week’s theme? Yes it’s a Lennon song, but it’s not a part of the Lennon/McCartney songbook!

    I brought it up the other night too – simply pointing out the lulz factor in NOTarchie attempting to do that song next week. (Since people keep comparing him to david, and he’s already done several songs that were performed by previous contestants). I would guess most people simply don’t know the ins and outs of the Lennon/McCartney contracts. For me – I’m too young to recognize what’s a Beatles song and what was a solo song. I wasn’t born yet during the Beatles heyday.

    I wasn’t a fan of Archie, and I wasn’t a fan of the Imagine performance (I don’t actually particularly like that song). But, there’s no doubt in my mind that Archie’s got a great voice – whether I’m fond of his musical choices or not. And, well, NOTarchie does not. He’s not even close to David’s level of talent. So, that’s what made it funny to me.

  16. Nice. That says 104,000, so that means he sold about 50,000 internationally this week if he sold 54,000 in the US right?

    Their track chart is compiled with points which includes sales and airplay, so it doesn’t follow I’m afraid.

    They say-

    “THE MOST POPULAR TRACKS ACCORDING TO PAID DOWNLOADS, SINGLE-SALES AND AIRPLAY
    SALES (70%)
    SINGLE-SALES AND PAID DOWNLOAD STATS FROM USA, JAPAN, UNITED KINGDOM, GERMANY, FRANCE, AUSTRALIA, ITALY, SPAIN, NETHERLANDS, BELGIUM, NORWAY, SWEDEN, FINLAND, DENMARK, AUSTRIA, SWITZERLAND, IRELAND, GREECE, CANADA, AND NEW ZEALAND.
    AIRPLAY (30%)”

    Their album chart represents sales though.

  17. Did I read that first sentence of the AOL article correctly? Lennon/ MCCARTHY? So much for proof checking.

  18. I think Seacrest realizes that some of these contestants are dull, and not all that entertaining. He’s trying desperately to save the show from being a snoozefest. He may not be doing the best job of it, but at least he’s trying.

    I’ll go farther than that. I think he’s doing what you say, and I think he’s also clumsily trying both to help the contestants out and to get the judges to make more specific, actionable comments that the contestants can really use. He’s done that in the past, and this season I think he probably feels that it’s overwhelmingly important.

    Now, I’m not saying that he’s doing any of this *well* or that any of it is working. But I do think that he’s at least trying to act not so much in service of his ego (which is what judge-table shenanigans are about, obviously) as in service of the show and helping the contestants get better. So, yeah it’s awkward, but it’s not rotten, is my opinion.

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  20. Yes Lucy, I agree (and you explained it much better than I did!). Also, Ryan is hugely successful as a radio and tv host. He’s built his own little entertainment empire with all of the shows he appears on and/or produces. He must feel pretty accomplished. I mean, how much more could a TV personality want out of life? So, I just don’t see that he has much ego to feed. His ego should be well nourished.

    Basically, Ryan’s not the problem for me. And I certainly don’t miss Paula. I’m not sure the show actually needs Ellen, but I like her and she doesn’t actively bother me. The problem is, only about 3 of these contestants come across as remotely interesting on TV (and sometimes those 3 spots rotate). I think usually we have a higher ratio of compelling contestants.

    So, for me, the show’s a little off it’s game. But, I’ve felt like this in other seasons too. It’s not a big deal. I still enjoy watching. But, sometimes I can wait for the DVR version, unlike in Seasons such as 5 & 8 when I really felt like I was missing something if I didn’t see it live.

  21. The problem is, only about 3 of these contestants come across as remotely interesting on TV (and sometimes those 3 spots rotate). I think usually we have a higher ratio of compelling contestants.

    Yeah, that’s my issue, too. There seems to be a combination of people who just aren’t very tv-interesting and people who are so uptight, tense, and buttoned up that we can’t find out whether they’re interesting or not — either as people or, more importantly, as performers. I think that could probably just be an accident of casting, really. It’s probably hard to know exactly how a bunch of amateurs are going to come across on tv.

    I think there’s probably not anybody to actually blame for the fiasco. … But to me it’s all coming off sort of like a high-school talent show in which you don’t know any of the people and few of the contestants show much ability to improve beyond where they are at the moment (and some are quite advanced while most are kind of mediocre). It’s just all a little boring and begins to seem pointless after a while.

    I was hopeful at the beginning that you’d really see significant improvement in a lot of people. But while we’ve seen some, most just seem to me to be pretty much exactly where they were when the whole thing started. A few — Lee, Aaron, Tim? — have maybe at least relaxed a little bit, which helps. But I thought we’d see some people make strides — Casey learn to move but not eternally smile while he sings; Didi figure out how to use the trademark Didi voice and style in a variety of songs; etc. But so far, for the most part, close to zip in such improvements, as far as I’m concerned.

  22. I don’t get complaining about this season and at the same time supporting Tim Urban. It seems counterproductive. Mj, please delete this if I’ve crossed a line but I am very confused about something. I assume most of you are women, and so you probably understand first hand what is like to watch a man skate by in something while a woman has to put in ten times the effort to even get an acknowledgment for her effort. In this straight white male dominated culture we are living in why reinforce it on this show? Why not support strong female role models like Crystal instead of supporting someone like Tim, the definition of mediocrity. If Tim was a girl he would not get nearly as much slack for his performances.

  23. It would be interesting to see the voting breakdowns for contestants by male and female voting. I am wondering if the majority of male voters vote for males or females more. It seems like playing a guitar benefits the male contestants alot more than it does female. I have noticed since they introduced instruments guys with mediocre vocals who play the guitar that are somewhat attractive do very well in the competition. I find it annoying and think it is the case with Tim.

  24. gangreen29, I don’t support Tim at all. I think he’s hilariously bad and I would certainly never consider voting for him. In fact, I think Tim might just be punking us all. That’s why I have no problem with Kara verbally bitch-slapping him. I also don’t think this season’s problems have anything to do with the male vs. female thing.

    I’ve only voted one night so far, and that was for Didi. In the future, if I decide to vote, I can only see myself voting for Crystal, Mike or Casey because those are the ones left that I’ve enjoyed watching. I enjoyed Lee’s somewhat breakthrough performance this week – but he’s WGWG, a favorite of the current Idol demo, so he doesn’t need my vote.

    I wouldn’t vote for Siobhan because she’s just too damn weird for me. And, completely inconsistent. For me, she just doesn’t live up to the hype. So, I’m not going to waste my time voting for her, just because she’s a girl.

    I thought Paige & Lacey were pretty consistently awful, so I’m not surprised they’re gone. I think Katie sucks, so I won’t be surprised if she goes next. I think Aaron, Tim & Andrew can pretty much go at any point, in any order and I don’t care which.

    The demographics of the AI viewing audience have changed considerably over the years. At this point, I think a large portion of the vote is controlled by the puffy paint, sign-carriers you would see at a tour stop. I think a lot of those people vote for the guy they have inappropriate fantasies about or who they begin to think of as some surrogate grandson or something.

    I would guess there are probably still a lot of casual voters, who still have a pretty strong say in what happens here. I think a lot of those voters are pretty swayed by what the judges say. They’re probably what is keeping the girls in at this point.

    I’m sure there are still a lot of 11 – 13 year old, female power voters. Those girls are going to vote for the guy they think is cute – what more could we expect from a girl that age? It’s a pretty natural reaction.

    At this point, if I was to start voting only the merits, I believe I would be so grossly outnumbered that I’d be wasting my time. And, it really is just a TV talent show. People vote for a variety of reasons. All of those reasons are valid – it’s not like it’s an election or anything that actually matters.

  25. And, it really is just a TV talent show. People vote for a variety of reasons. All of those reasons are valid – it’s not like it’s an election or anything that actually matters.

    Normally I would be in agreement, and I am probably just being silly and blowing things out of proportion but I can’t stop thinking about the young girls watching this show, the ones who haven’t been suckered into voting with hormones and making glitter signs, and thinking about what kind of message the number one show in america is sending them.

  26. I assume most of you are women, and so you probably understand first hand what is like to watch a man skate by in something while a woman has to put in ten times the effort to even get an acknowledgment for her effort

    Its the teens/tweens who are voting based on “OMG, he’s cute”, not women.

    But, being a woman, I just prefer listening to men’s voices. Nothing to do with their looks (though of course I am appreciative. One of my past faves was Eliot Yamin). So I usually vote for men because they are what I listen to .

    I do appreciate Tim’s attitude though. Why not enjoy the moment? Do they want him to cry??!

  27. I would have to agree with all of the above three posts.

    I won’t vote for Tim, because I don’t think he is that good, but I don’t dislike him. He tried out for AI, and, by some luck, he made it to the top 24. It’s not his fault that there are people voting for him. So, it is what it is. I’m not going to blame him. I’m not sure what he can do. He’s been told by the judges he’s a joke, (I’m sure he didn’t try out for AI thinking that) so all he can do is go out there and put on a show until his time is up.

    As said many times before, the big problem is the AI voting. It’s a bad, bad system. Until they fix it, this is what you are going to get. There will be boot shocks and upset victories. I do think, however, the top four are usually pretty solid and are interchangeable in regards to ranking. People aren’t being paranoid when they say a white straight male (with guitar and most likely Christian and from the midwest or south) probably has the best shot of winning based on the AI VOTING demographic.

    I will vote for Crystal, and I may even vote off and on four a few hours for her. But I’m not going to learn how to mega text vote, etc. I also may vote for Lee and Casey. And no, I don’t hate Katie, so let’s see what happens with that. I voted for Toderick and Alex, and obviously that didn’t help. I’m on the fence with Siobhan. I have to see how she recovers next week.

  28. But, being a woman, I just prefer listening to men’s voices.

    People can prefer whatever they want.

    But everytime I see/hear this statement (and it comes up a lot), it makes me sad. Not all women sound alike, nor do all men.

  29. Ryan seems to be taking advantage of this season’s chaos to openly manipulate the contestants, the judges, and especially America.

    Uh, yeah – and it really really sucks. Ryan has been one of the most annoying and unpalatable aspects of AI this season – so bizarrely brazen, rude, trying too hard to get everyone worked up, it seems. Just ugh and a half from me. Maybe it has to do with the missing Paula positivity vibe, or something – maybe that kept him in check in the past.

    Or, more likely, with Simon leaving it almost seems like Ryan wants to capitalize on that and make some kind of power play.

    But yeah, Ryan, please, no one likes it – so just stop.

  30. This season has zero to do with men vs women, for me personally. If Kelly were on this year, I’d be voting my ass off. But I refuse to vote for a women only for the fact she’s a woman. Wouldn’t that be the opposite of supporting women’s equality? Special treatment? I just don’t happen to love the women’s voices this year, simple as that.

    Let’s face it, this show isn’t about who is the most talented, but sometimes it does work out that way. People vote for who entertains them and who they want to see on the show the next week. Frankly, this season there are a few who have less talent that are making the show more interesting than those who have more talent. If people want to complain about it, then blame the those in charge of the casting.

    There are good seasons and not so good seasons. This is a not so good season for me, but Idol will survive. It’ll be interesting to see how the tour sells.

  31. Its the teens/tweens who are voting based on “OMG, he’s cute”, not women.

    Having watched nearly every Taylor, Cook or Adam thread here at mj’s devolved into: “OMG he’s so gorgeous”, “look at those lips!”, “his eyes!”, “those arms!” and a bunch of creepy innuendo about their “packages” and such, I’m going to respectfully disagree.

    Normally I would be in agreement, and I am probably just being silly and blowing things out of proportion but I can’t stop thinking about the young girls watching this show, the ones who haven’t been suckered into voting with hormones and making glitter signs, and thinking about what kind of message the number one show in america is sending them.

    I see you’re point, and I understand the frustration. But these days, girls have more opportunities than ever to see women in important positions of power. And, the optimistic in me chooses to believe that they’ll take their messages from that, and not some TV talent show :).

  32. the ones who haven’t been suckered into voting with hormones and making glitter signs, and thinking about what kind of message the number one show in america is sending them.

    I don’t know, I don’t think it’s anything different that young girls like cute boys. When I was a kid I loved Michael Jackson and Duran Duran because I thought they were cute (liked their music too, but they were CUTE). My sister was madly in love with N’Sync because… they were cute. Tim is cute, and I’m sure that’s why lots of these kids love him. I personally prefer male voices much of the time, though this year I love Crystal and she’s my favorite. It’s a TV show, I’m voting for the singer I like best, it really isn’t much deeper than that for me :)

  33. As for voting, I must admit I got a bit of a kick out of the whole VFTW trend to have Tim win this year, ever since he started surviving so many times in the B3, when he otherwise should be going home.

    I find it amusing, and, as someone not terribly invested in this season, I’m fine with him outlasting most of this year’s contestants, simply because I don’t think many of them are really that much better (some notable exceptions, of course, like Crystal – who I think would immediately be saved anyways if she was in the bottom, and she’ll probably be signed if she can last to top 4.)

    Otherwise, I won’t vote for Tim (or anyone else at this point), but I’m not against him staying around longer either.

    However, I am biased – if Tim was around last season, a season during which I had a lot more investment and interest in seeing quite a few of the people lasting longer, then I’d be pretty pissed that he stayed around so long.

  34. Frankly, this season there are a few who have less talent that are making the show more interesting than those who have more talent. If people want to complain about it, then blame the those in charge of the casting.

    Yep – very true. I feel that the “good” people this year are either too boring otherwise (Lee) or not really all that good to begin with (Andrew, Casey, even Mike can get a little hammy, but has a good voice).

    So, in past years, I’d easily gravitate toward the contestants who had that great, winning combination of a nice personality, great voice, and excellent stage presence and charisma. This year, very few of them consistenly manage to attain those marks.

  35. But everytime I see/hear this statement (and it comes up a lot), it makes me sad. Not all women sound alike, nor do all men.

    I’m not sure what’s sad about that. In general, I prefer men’s voices. I also don’t like some men’s voices, and I like a whole lot of female voices. But if you look at my iPod, there are mostly male voices. There’s nothing sad about it, it’s just a preference.

    Having watched nearly every Taylor, Cook or Adam thread here at mj’s devolved into: “OMG he’s so gorgeous”, “look at those lips!”, “his eyes!”, “those arms!” and a bunch of creepy innuendo about their “packages” and such, I’m going to respectfully disagree.

    Heh. Well, though I do think Mr. Cook is hot, I will say that it was his voice that got me first, and if I didn’t like his music, I wouldn’t bother being a fan. I’m not *that* shallow. I also refuse to ever talk about his, erm, package. ‘Cause that, to me, cheapens my fan-dom and makes him an object and since what I love about him most is his voice and his heart… So I guess my point is that while I find David to be very attractive, I would never have voted for him just for that reason. But I’m sure some people would, that’s just me :)

  36. However, I am biased – if Tim was around last season, a season during which I had a lot more investment and interest in seeing quite a few of the people lasting longer, then I’d be pretty pissed that he stayed around so long.

    Right, well, yeah – I think that’s part of it. If Turban has outlasted your favorite, you’re probably pretty pissed. Since my top 5 are still there (Casey, Mike, Siobhan, Crystal, Lee) and my very favorite is still there (Crystal), Tim doesn’t bother me, he’s going home eventually and I don’t think the ones that he outlasted were going anywhere. Though I am still slightly bitter about Alex, lol, but that happened so early on that I can’t muster a whole lot of anti-Tim anger on that one.

  37. when i voted on idol in the past, it was for the contestant [s] who i felt were the best vocally, gave the best performance[s]. those votes have gone to both genders, teenagers and the young adults, all races. if i’m outnumbered in the personal criteria used for deciding who to vote for, big whoop, lol. i’d like to think i’m past the stage where cuteness and hormones and ‘sticking it to the man’ affect my voting decisions. it is just idol, lol. many of my faves have never won, and have managed to do well for themselves post idol, so if there is any validation it’s in that. i have bought and will continue to buy the cd’s of those contestants because they hit that sweet spot in my ears, and will add something to my music collection…

  38. Putting on my inner 12-year hat here, Duran Duran was plastered all over my walls.

    I see you’re point, and I understand the frustration. But these days, girls have more opportunities than ever to see women in important positions of power. And, the optimistic in me chooses to believe that they’ll take their messages from that, and not some TV talent show :) .

    Yep. I don’t have any kids, but if I had a little girl, Idol is not where I’d be expecting her to find inspiration and role models.

    And as far as voting goes, most of my favs don’t win either, so clearly I’m against the grain on voting demographics and norm. But I’ve learned to live with it, lol

  39. Putting on my inner 12-year hat here, Duran Duran was plastered all over my walls.

    I was so madly in love with John Taylor… posters *everywhere*. Ah, my poor little middle school heart.

  40. But if you look at my iPod, there are mostly male voices. There’s nothing sad about it, it’s just a preference.

    It’s “just a preference” that tends to be accepted uncritically by a lot of people where “just a preference” for female voices often gets challenged, and that leads to women who aren’t big flashy pop stars having a harder time being able to support themselves in music careers. You’ll get your occasional Ani DiFranco, but I’d like to hear more women on the radio stations I listen to, as well.

  41. ggdoorsfan:
    04/02/2010 at 10:16 am
    when i voted on idol in the past, it was for the contestant [s] who i felt were the best vocally, gave the best performance[s]. those votes have gone to both genders, teenagers and the young adults, all races

    I vote the same way, for the most part – it’s all about personality, stage presence, and voice for me. In fact, if we talk about looks and how that might influence voting, I tend to only think some of the guys I’ve loved in the past are hot AFTER I’ve fallen for them because of the first three criteria I mentioned. David Cook is a good example – didn’t think he was hot at all, but once he sang Billy Jean, I melted ;-)

    Adam might have been the exception – I think I always thought he was pretty hot – and that hotness factor increased each week on AI.

    Ok, end of shallowness – lol.

  42. Yep. I don’t have any kids, but if I had a little girl, Idol is not where I’d be expecting her to find inspiration and role models.

    But I’m not asking idol to give people inspiration or role models, I am just simply wishing it didn’t reinforce gender discrimination.

  43. I was so madly in love with John Taylor… posters *everywhere*. Ah, my poor little middle school heart.

    John was my favorite too! Those were some pretty boys there. And I ended up marrying a bass player, so there you go!

    But I’m not asking idol to give people inspiration or role models, I am just simply wishing it didn’t reinforce gender discrimination.

    How is it gender discrimination if i vote for someone I like but happens to be a male? If there was a woman I liked this year, like Allison last year, or Kelly, I’d vote for her. It’s no deeper than that.

  44. There may be SOME women who base on the ‘OMG he’s hot’! factor but every single woman I know that is a fan or was in the past voted for a variety of reasons, mostly being entertained and singing talent. I powervoted for David, Chris and voted occassionally for Kris last year..but I also vote for Crystal this year and I voted like crazy for Carrie, Melinda and Kelly. My reasons for voting for them and the men were because I thought they were the best singers and enjoyed them the most every week. When I vote I try and think who I would send money on for concerts and CD’s and I sure as hell don’t give a crap about looks for that. For some the ‘look at his eyes, look at his lips’ might be a bonus. Does anyone honestly believe David or Adam got as far as they did because of a bunch of women drooling over them? Taylor I can’t explain since I never got him at all looks or singing wise.

  45. I shall join your John Taylor fan club. Man, did I love him. He had one fine mullet too.

  46. Normally I would be in agreement, and I am probably just being silly and blowing things out of proportion but I can’t stop thinking about the young girls watching this show, the ones who haven’t been suckered into voting with hormones and making glitter signs, and thinking about what kind of message the number one show in america is sending them.

    I agree with you. … Nothing we can do about it, of course. But I do agree.

  47. I assume most of you are women, and so you probably understand first hand what is like to watch a man skate by in something while a woman has to put in ten times the effort to even get an acknowledgment for her effort.

    Oh, and FTR, I actually take fault with this – I don’t think it’s true in all fields, ESPECIALLY music! In fact, one of my big gripes lately has been Adam (and possibly Kris) having a harder time making it immediately in pop music over their female counterparts. There are VERY few male solo pop acts out there – whereas women are all over the place. It’s the whole “sex sells”, women are sexier to both guys and girls thing, etc. Double standard, unfair, take your pick.

    In other fields, of course, it very much is an uphill battle for women. Pop music, imo, not so much.

  48. Oh, and FTR, I actually take fault with this – I don’t think it’s true in all fields, ESPECIALLY music! In fact, one of my big gripes lately has been Adam (and possibly Kris) having a harder time making it immediately in pop music over their female counterparts. There are VERY few male solo pop acts out there – whereas women are all over the place. It’s the whole “sex sells”, women are sexier to both guys and girls thing, etc. Double standard, unfair, take your pick.

    I don’t agree with this. For a woman to be a pop star, she needs to have perfect looks and the right personality, or she gets called a bitch. Every inch of Mileys body has been publicly dissected, and she is what, 17? Kris and Adam aren’t held up to these lofty beauty standards. Both have done real well on radio as well. Adam having a harder time in pop music isn’t about him being male, it is about him being a gay man which doesn’t fit into our ridged, gendered societal ideas.

  49. When I vote I try and think who I would send money on for concerts and CD’s and I sure as hell don’t give a crap about looks for that.

    a to the men, lol. looks are an added bonus if you have them, but have no bearing on the ability to provide me with an hour or more of listening enjoyment i will decide to spend money on. flashy productions and all the tricks out there now to satisfy/titillate the eye on tv, videos and in the concert setting won’t make up for the lack of singing ability – or if you have it, but what you’re singing doesn’t hit that auditory sweet spot. that goes for both genders. the singer has to capture and hook me vocally before we can do bidness… hardcore and old skool and not changing, lol

  50. I don’t agree with this. For a woman to be a pop star, she needs to have perfect looks and the right personality, or she gets called a bitch. Every inch of Mileys body has been publicly dissected, and she is what, 17? Kris and Adam aren’t held up to these lofty beauty standards. Both have done real well on radio as well. Adam having a harder time in pop music isn’t about him being male, it is about him being a gay man which doesn’t fit into our ridged, gendered societal ideas.

    Umm, disagree. First, Adam has been through the ringer wrt looks and personality quite a bit. And being put under a microscope is nothing new to celebrities – so whether you’re Miley or Brad Pitt, male or female, it’s gonna happen.

    Second, just look at the pop charts – completely dominated by female pop solo artists. I think Miley’s ok with having the press diss her dresses and looks when she’s making $1 million a week.

    Third, no proof of course, but the fact that there ARE so few male pop stars (gay, straight, what have you) – save, say, JT, makes me more inclined to think it has quite a bit to do with the gender as well, not just his sexuality. I could do an indepth cultural analysis on the issue (but won’t) but in general, women sell sex (which sells products like music) better than guys, in part because both men and women find women sexy. Straight guys, otoh, would be loathe to call a guy sexy. But I digress.

    I agree with you that women are often more strictly criticized for looks and personality, but what I’m saying is that that doesn’t seem to get in the way of their success in fields like music. Men, otoh, DO have other impediments in their way. Unfair ones, biased ones, but ones that exist nonetheless.

  51. I don’t agree with this. For a woman to be a pop star, she needs to have perfect looks and the right personality, or she gets called a bitch. Every inch of Mileys body has been publicly dissected, and she is what, 17? Kris and Adam aren’t held up to these lofty beauty standards. Both have done real well on radio as well. Adam having a harder time in pop music isn’t about him being male, it is about him being a gay man which doesn’t fit into our ridged, gendered societal ideas.

    I think becoming a pop singer is unbelievably chancy and hard, period, for a whole variety of reasons.

    You are being churned out as a corporate product, so you have to fit a whole bunch of checklists. And I expect that the male-female balance in pop stars may be sort of a cyclical thing over time. Sometimes, the popstar checklist skews toward females, sometimes toward males. And, actually, sometimes toward more macho males and sometimes toward more androgynous males, which could actually benefit Adam at some point in the historical cycle!

    However, you also just have industry (and society?) bias layered on top. Which can make it hard for a gay person to get in, but can also make it hard for a white person or a black person or an Asian person who would like to sing a particular brand of pop music that the industry’s (and the public’s???) over-categorization doesn’t allow for a person of that race/ethnicity, for example.

    You’re not so much trying to get ahead based on your talent as you are auditioning to be a product in a very very big machine that has for decades been devoted to churning out very high profits and has a lot of preconceived notions about exactly how that is best done. … A very very tough “career path” to choose, no matter who you are, is my guess.

    And then, of course, there’s age — When you cross *that* line — and, of course, *everybody* will, and sooner rather than later, for the most part — then you need to develop some entirely different employment niche for yourself, virtually needing to start all over again, in many case.

    Not easy for any.

  52. You’ll get your occasional Ani DiFranco, but I’d like to hear more women on the radio stations I listen to, as well.

    I’d like to hear more quality music, period, on the radio… most of the stuff on top 40 radio makes my ears bleed (but clearly lots of people like it). One of my all-time favorite groups ever is the Indigo Girls, and unless I was just listening to the wrong channel they certainly didn’t get much radio play. So I just listen to my iPod :) My music tastes are all over the place and not for one artist does their physical appearance/gender/whatever play into whether or not I like the music.

  53. Does anyone honestly believe David or Adam got as far as they did because of a bunch of women drooling over them? Taylor I can’t explain since I never got him at all looks or singing wise.

    No, I don’t think that. But, I do think that after they notice some of these talented guys, once some of them develop that “crush” on them, it tends to influence how ardently they begin to vote later on. And, also how stalker they become after the show ends :).

    I also believe that sometimes the talent makes them appear better looking than they really are.

    When I do vote, I vote based only on who I want to still see there the next week. I don’t usually consider whether or not I will buy their music later, but I really have no idea what it will sound like. And, the majority of those rushed, Post-AI cd’s tend to suck.

    But, no way of voting is the “right” or the “wrong” way. It’s just a tv show, and people can vote for whatever reason strikes their fancy. Even the Worsters have a valid reason for voting. There are no rules applied to what should makes us vote or why. You can vote for whoever you want to simply because you like their hair that week. You don’t need to justify it. AI simply doesn’t mean that much in the grand scheme of life.

  54. I think becoming a pop singer is unbelievably chancy and hard, period, for a whole variety of reasons.

    You are being churned out as a corporate product, so you have to fit a whole bunch of checklists. And I expect that the male-female balance in pop stars may be sort of a cyclical thing over time. Sometimes, the popstar checklist skews toward females, sometimes toward males. And, actually, sometimes toward more macho males and sometimes toward more androgynous males, which could actually benefit Adam at some point in the historical cycle!

    However, you also just have industry (and society?) bias layered on top. Which can make it hard for a gay person to get in, but can also make it hard for a white person or a black person or an Asian person who would like to sing a particular brand of pop music that the industry’s (and the public’s???) over-categorization doesn’t allow for a person of that race/ethnicity, for example.

    You’re not so much trying to get ahead based on your talent as you are auditioning to be a product in a very very big machine that has for decades been devoted to churning out very high profits and has a lot of preconceived notions about exactly how that is best done. … A very very tough “career path” to choose, no matter who you are, is my guess.

    And then, of course, there’s age — If you cross *that* line, then you need to develop some entirely different employment niche for yourself, virtually needing to start all over again, in many case.

    Not easy for any
    .

    another fierce a to the men lucy. very nicely articulated. another pet peeve of mine – the marginalization of black artists, especially the females, into either the ‘diva’ or the ‘hoochie’ role/image in pop/rnb… you either have to be this big voiced, booty shaking, sassy, long straight haired, preferably light skinned and european featured performer, or you must be a booty shaking, skimpy clothes wearing, trash talking sexed up sexpot it seems to hit the big time. erykah badu explored this in the ‘when the music dies’ documentary. black artists not easily molded to fit into this image propogated by the labels and corporations have a hell of a hard time getting play. same goes for some black males who dare to want to sing or play music other than the ‘proscribed’ rnb, soul or hip-hop. i remember the group living colour and other black non soul/rnb/rap/hip hop singing artists talking about the humiliation and rejection they received outright in the early days of their career when record executives wouldn’t give them a listen if they weren’t playing or singing rnb. i get the shakes wondering if hendrix would have been given the same short shrift in this era, and i wonder how many like him during it have been. it’s a dirty, dirty business underneath the glittery surface, the decisions made regarding who gets signed/ what gets played/ who/what gets promoted and ultimately sells. there is a lot of work still to be done…

  55. but can also make it hard for a white person or a black person or an Asian person who would like to sing a particular brand of pop music that the industry’s (and the public’s???) over-categorization doesn’t allow for a person of that race/ethnicity, for example.

    Having managed my brother who is a white hip hop artist… I have certainly witnessed that from his end, lol.

    There are definitely stereotypes about who should be doing what music – and the examples of those who get a break despite them are not so many. Are there any other African-American artists other than Darius Rucker getting much play on country radio? And he’s a bit of a special case since his music before I think slanted towards folk/country anyway – plus, he’s Hootie!

  56. No, I don’t think that. But, I do think that after they notice some of these talented guys, once some of them develop that “crush” on them, it tends to influence how ardently they begin to vote later on. And, also how stalker they become after the show ends :) .

    Well, yeah, I think that the crushes definitely inspire some pretty rabid voting!

    It’s just a tv show, and people can vote for whatever reason strikes their fancy.

    And that’s very true, it really isn’t all that important. Just for enjoyment for me :)

  57. A very very tough “career path” to choose, no matter who you are, is my guess.

    And, for me, some of the people who’ve been on the show should have just chosen a different career path in the first place. We’ve all seen people on this show that we know they’re best bet is to just go back to their bar band, or go back to college. Very few of these people are ever going to have any legitimate chance in the music industry.

    If you have 2 per season with a real shot, I just don’t think it matters all that much what order the others go out in.

  58. I thought: wait this is not idol night, but yes !! for the first time ever I saw Kris Ford’s ad outside of AI. The one with “most people are good with talking”.

    Me, too. Saw Kris commercial during Letterman!

    I checked the sale numbers for March and found this:

    After a particularly devastating March last year, Ford division pushed its sales up 46 percent. The automaker’s mainstream Fusion set a monthly sales record of 22,773, a 79 percent increase over last year.

    I can understand why they are showing the advertisement outside of AI

  59. I think Tim might just be punking us all. That’s why I have no problem with Kara verbally bitch-slapping him.

    Oh man, I thought I was the only one who felt this way. I’m not sure Tim is smart enough to punk us, but his attitude has been really cavalier, imo. I silently cheered as Kara brought him down a peg.

  60. POP:
    15 13 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 5461 5238 223 29.462
    -68 Spins
    -97 Bullet
    -0.470 AI

    HAC:
    14 12 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 2460 2116 344 11.962
    +55 Spins
    +16 Bullet
    +0.261 AI

    The chart spins are down across the board, but Adam moved up to #13 on Pop

  61. Very few of these people are ever going to have any legitimate chance in the music industry.

    If you have 2 per season with a real shot, I just don’t think it matters all that much what order the others go out in.

    I guess it depends on one’s definition of “a real shot.” Decent likelihood of getting play on major radio formats to push an album past platinum (in the early years) and gold (in the last few)? Yeah, there probably aren’t more than two or three of those in any given year (and sometimes, maybe just one).

    But there are definitely more out there who seem to be able to feed, clothe, and house themselves based on smart targeting and a lot of hard work. And if those people get a bit more, financially and presentationally, on tour, thus at least offering them the chance to build off that financial/performance base when the circus is over, then I don’t think it’s completely immaterial in which order they depart.

    Of course, I barely vote at all (this season or any other), so who am I to talk?

  62. Oh man, I thought I was the only one who felt this way. I’m not sure Tim is smart enough to punk us, but his attitude has been really cavalier, imo. I silently cheered as Kara brought him down a peg.

    LOL – we are of like minds on this. The other night I imagined a whole conspiracy put together by Normund Gentile and some fictitious comedy troupe. They found someone not as obvious as Normund to accomplish what he couldn’t. Totally made sense in my mind.

    And, for all of the entertainment value this season contains, I really don’t mind Tim and Kara continuing to do this little dance for weeks to come. He can be ridiculous, and then she can smack him down. I might just seriously enjoy that.

  63. I also believe that sometimes the talent makes them appear better looking than they really are.

    Ain’t that the truth. Every.Single.Year. LOL. But to be fair, that happens in outside Idol too, in music, sports, acting, comedy… basically almost any powerful or talented male will have women crushing on him. I don’t think that is unique to Idol. Mick Jagger anyone? Vince Vaughn? I could go on and on.

    If you have 2 per season with a real shot, I just don’t think it matters all that much what order the others go out in.

    Good point.

    And if those people get a bit more, financially and presentationally, on tour, thus at least offering them the chance to build off that financial/performance base when the circus is over, then I don’t think it’s completely immaterial in which order they depart.

    Well, then that makes the top 10 and the final 2 important, and not much else in between. Heh.

    the marginalization of black artists, especially the females, into either the ‘diva’ or the ‘hoochie’ role/image in pop/rnb… you either have to be this big voiced, booty shaking, sassy, long straight haired, preferably light skinned and european featured performer, or you must be a booty shaking, skimpy clothes wearing, trash talking sexed up sexpot it seems to hit the big time.

    same goes for some black males who dare to want to sing or play music other than the ‘proscribed’ rnb, soul or hip-hop.

    Preach! This is syndrome is annoying as hell. And the Idol producers as just as guilty of this stuff too. At least they will cast a dark skinned female of size, but that’s about it.

  64. And, for me, some of the people who’ve been on the show should have just chosen a different career path in the first place. We’ve all seen people on this show that we know they’re best bet is to just go back to their bar band, or go back to college. Very few of these people are ever going to have any legitimate chance in the music industry.

    Yes indeed.

  65. tinawina, I thought it was a sliding scale. It may be bunched, but I’m relatively certain a top 4/5 finisher is getting more money than the 9th or 10th place one. And if it’s a true sliding scale, then a few to several grand more by the end of the summer might help buy a few studio sessions for finisher 7 as opposed to 10.

  66. I don’t think that is unique to Idol. Mick Jagger anyone? Vince Vaughn? I could go on and on.

    You are absolutely correct. And, touche my friend, because I have a completely irrational, deep and abiding love for Vince Vaughn. Even though, rationally, I do realize he is rather fug LOL.

    But there are definitely more out there who seem to be able to feed, clothe, and house themselves based on smart targeting and a lot of hard work. And if those people get a bit more, financially and presentationally, on tour, thus at least offering them the chance to build off that financial/performance base when the circus is over, then I don’t think it’s completely immaterial in which order they depart.

    That’s a valid point. For instance, I love Big Mike – Velveeta and all. But, realistically, I just don’t see a huge future for him as a recording artist. I do however believe he could be booked regularly for appearances at certain venues that feature live entertainment. So, I think he could continue to make a living after AI. I’m just not 100% sure how much his placement at this point plays a part in that. Whether he’s 8th or 5th, I think his career options are pretty much the same.

    Of course, I barely vote at all (this season or any other), so who am I to talk?

    That’s the beauty of this show (and mj’s). You are not required to vote or buy anything in order to have an opinion. Your opinion is no less valid than the person who texted 1,000 times Tuesday night. No credentials required!

  67. Tim doesn’t know when to smile or not smile and it makes him look like an ass at times. Although he’s good looking (not THAT much for me though — his smile is stiff like a Casey performance), he doesn’t have much charisma. No pretty boy can make it to the top with insufficient talent. At which position was Sanjaya voted off?

  68. basically almost any powerful or talented male will have women crushing on him.

    Meanwhile, almost any powerful or talented female will have men running for the hills. heh.

    (yeah, I know that some are emitting a strange elixir that causes crushing rather than rushing … but even a lot of those tend to get a harpy-bitch label eventually from those who crush!)

    Strange world that we live in.

  69. No pretty boy can make it to the top with insufficient talent. At which position was Sanjaya voted off?

    Sanjaya was pretty?

    It may be bunched, but I’m relatively certain a top 4/5 finisher is getting more money than the 9th or 10th place one. And if it’s a true sliding scale, then a few to several grand more by the end of the summer might help buy a few studio sessions for finisher 7 as opposed to 10.

    I’m pretty sure it’s a sliding scale. I should have prefaced my comment by indicating that I wasn’t actually referring to the practicality that they might make more money. I was speaking only in terms of exposure. For me, I don’t care who makes more, since they don’t pay my bills :).

  70. standtotheright, come to think of it I believe you are right,.. there are difference in pay, or so we’ve been told. I’m thinking more of long term exposure and career experience, so I don’t know if other than extra money it makes a huge difference still. Perhaps the longer you are on the TV show the more chance to build a fanbase? But then again, Sligh went out 10th and he’s doing well in his genre, and the Pickler went out 8th(?) JHud was in the bottom half too right? I think once you hit a certain level there is enough exposue to use as a jumping point to the next thing.

    ETA: or, what SpencerJ just said. Heh.

    Meanwhile, almost any powerful or talented female will have men running for the hills. heh.

    True dat. Hotness is a prequesite for females. You can be in the public eye only after you pass the “will anyone sleep with you?” test.. otherwise known as Maxim Spread Potential. Forget singing in tune. Unless you come from Idol that is, then you’ll get a record deal no matter what you look like, provided you win.

  71. I think Tim might just be punking us all. That’s why I have no problem with Kara verbally bitch-slapping him.

    If this is true, that’s good. If the producers and judges still don’t get the message after all these years that putting in people who shouldn’t be in the competition at all into the Top 24 as good TV is wrong, then this embarassment is what they deserve.

    Unfortunately, it’s at the expense of the serious, truly talented contestants who need AI as a platform for their music- and the viewers who want to see a serious singing competition.

  72. Sanjaya was pretty?

    loll.. well not much for me but I know lots of teens(?) fell for him. I didn’t really followed this season but heard that he had interesting hairdos :D

  73. I think once you hit a certain level there is enough exposue to use as a jumping point to the next thing.

    Yeah, that. I think a lot of these kids, in the long run, are going to end up where they’re going to end up, regardless of where they finish.

    Obviously, the 1 & 2 positions are the most likely to get you a recording contract. But, some of the people we’ve seen in the Top 10 really have no hope of that anyway. Take Kat McPhee for instance. People can keep giving her contracts, and she can keep recording cd’s, but I don’t think the fact that not a lot of people want to actually buy them is going to change.

  74. If this is true, that’s good. If the producers and judges still don’t get the message after all these years that putting in people who shouldn’t be in the competition at all into the Top 24 as good TV is wrong, then this embarassment is what they deserve.

    Unfortunately, it’s at the expense of the serious, truly talented contestants who need AI as a platform for their music- and the viewers who want to see a serious singing competition.

    Yeah, I agree with this completely. I wish it would teach them to not do quite so much “casting” of the show — or at least not “cast” it when said casting takes people from the second- or third-tier talent pools that they see rather than casting by choosing only among those who really appear to have the musical chops to potentially make it through the contest. … I think that’s a “dream on” kind of wish, though.

  75. Let’s put Orianthi in this season for fun, assuming she was never employed by MJ or had previous gigs. She’s a powerful young lady on guitar and quite beautiful. Yet, she doesn’t have the best live vocals. But despite that, I bet her shredding the electric guitar and her looks would have gotten her very far on this show. I don’t know how she would have faired on theme weeks of course, but I know I’d be voting hard for her. She would have been my type of girl, as Kelly was in her season. Am I off base?

  76. Unfortunately, it’s at the expense of the serious, truly talented contestants who need AI as a platform for their music- and the viewers who want to see a serious singing competition.

    What would those people be doing if AI didn’t exist? There’s certainly other ways to break into the music industry. And, outside of a few exceptions, those people who break in in “other” ways seem to have more long-term success.

    Yeah, I agree with this completely. I wish it would teach them to not do quite so much “casting” of the show — or at least not “cast” it when said casting takes people from the second- or third-tier talent pools that they see rather than casting by choosing only among those who really appear to have the musical chops to potentially make it through the contest. … I think that’s a “dream on” kind of wish, though.

    I think the producers just have a different goal. They want to cast a TV show that people will watch, and that brings in tons of ad revenue. They’ve done the math – they know that of the 20 million people watching, only a small percentage actually buy any of the music produced by the contestants.

    They’re simply trying to cater to their bread and butter – the viewers on the couch. We, who are inclined to take the time to read about these contestants here, or at similar sites are a very small minority. Our opinions are colored by information that we’re privvy to that the average viewer is not.

    I’m not sure the producers care about us LOL.

  77. I think the producers just have a different goal. They want to cast a TV show that people will watch, and that brings in tons of ad revenue. They’ve done the math – they know that of the 20 million people watching, only a small percentage actually buy any of the music produced by the contestants.

    Absolutely. They make their money from ads, not records. I guess enough crappy seasons and rating drops might change their minds, but for now I’m sure they are content with the trainwreck that is S9.

    I’m very interested in seeing the tour revenue later though.

  78. I’m still interested in seeing the tour revenue later though.

    What would be hilarious to me is if the tour ended up being cut back by a bit (they overbook certain states already, IMO), and that ended up giving the top 2 more time to work on their albums and to make them better, and better-reviewed. (I know a lot of people around here prefer KATA and FYE to a lot of prior debut efforts; I don’t share that opinion, although I like some tracks. I do think that D:TA benefited from having even just two more weeks’ headstart.)

  79. I think the producers just have a different goal. They want to cast a TV show that people will watch, and that brings in tons of ad revenue. They’ve done the math – they know that of the 20 million people watching, only a small percentage actually buy any of the music produced by the contestants.

    Yep. That’s it all right.

  80. Let’s put Orianthi in this season for fun, assuming she was never employed by MJ or had previous gigs. She’s a powerful young lady on guitar and quite beautiful. Yet, she doesn’t have the best vocals. But despite that, I bet her shredding the electric guitar and her looks would have gotten her very far on this show. I don’t know how she would have faired on theme weeks of course, but I know I’d be voting hard for her. She would have been my type of girl, as Kelly was in her season. Am I off base?

    not atall from my pov. i would have voted for her, or like to think i would have voted for her based on the strength of her musicianship, and her hella awesome shredding. her vocals are average, but her superiority in that ability to shred that axe to pieces would have tipped my vote to her. i’m a sucker for the vocals, and a lover of the guitar – those who can play it well. i’d think simon fuller and tptb would have moved heaven and hell to pimp her all the way to the top, based on their criteria – young, good looking, a young, good looking blond haired female who can really play the guitar – could have appeal to the guys we so desperately need to watch and vote on this show… fuller manages her now, but oh boy, can you imagine what they would have done to pimp and sell her weekly to an audience of 20 million, lol…

  81. Orianthi kicks ass, I don’t even care that she’s not the best singer. I can’t wait to see her play guitar live.

  82. What would those people be doing if AI didn’t exist? There’s certainly other ways to break into the music industry. And, outside of a few exceptions, those people who break in in “other” ways seem to have more long-term success.

    Good point,SpenserJ, there are many other ways to get a big break. I used the word “need” in the sense that doing it the non-AI way can take far more time and personal resources, while being on AI (with its audience size) can help with reducing the extra steps, providing visibility and getting contacts, if nothing else.

    Either way, there’s no guarantee of a long-term career. Look at Justin Bieber and how he got his big break- will he be able to continue a viable career after he turns 18?

  83. Orianthi kicks ass, I don’t even care that she’s not the best singer. I can’t wait to see her play guitar live.

    every blue moon real, honest to goodness unmanufactured talent and looks combine – for both of these two, lol… i wish she were due to tour close to my city. i’d pay to see her live… good friday to you all – off to do some shopping, and jamming in the car to some good music :D

    Orianthi – Highly Strung ft. Steve Vai
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7b-_YcACuQ

  84. I used the word “need” in the sense that doing it the non-AI way can take far more time and personal resources, while being on AI (with its audience size) can help with reducing the extra steps, providing visibility and getting contacts, if nothing else.

    I hear ya, and I totally get the point. The thing with AI is, the trade-off for that unequalled exposure is a certain stigma. When you look at the sheer volume of people who’ve been in the Top 24 over the years and then see the teeny number of them who’ve actually earned the respect of their peers or the radio love, I just don’t think it’s the end-all, be-all opportunity it’s sometimes made out to be.

  85. I think the producers just have a different goal. They want to cast a TV show that people will watch, and that brings in tons of ad revenue. They’ve done the math – they know that of the 20 million people watching, only a small percentage actually buy any of the music produced by the contestants.

    Absolutely. They make their money from ads, not records. I guess enough crappy seasons and rating drops might change their minds, but for now I’m sure they are content with the trainwreck that is S9.

    Well, they cast the show for ratings, but imo, if they do it right, they can get both the right mix of talent AND a fun show in the process. They’ve missed that mark this year, with not enough of either.

    Variety, imo, helps – having a healthy dose of a lot of people performing in different styles (again, lacking this year, especially with all the guitars). It keeps it more interesting, appeals to more people, and keeps everything from sounding so one-note.

  86. The thing with AI is, the trade-off for that unequalled exposure is a certain stigma.

    That’s very true- there’s that price for being on AI. If someone isn’t prepared or doesn’t want to deal with that headache, better to try on his / her own.

  87. Having watched nearly every Taylor, Cook or Adam thread here at mj’s devolved into: “OMG he’s so gorgeous”, “look at those lips!”, “his eyes!”, “those arms!” and a bunch of creepy innuendo about their “packages” and such, I’m going to respectfully disagree.

    Amen Spenser… and I agree about the creepy innuendo…

  88. Well, they cast the show for ratings, but imo, if they do it right, they can get both the right mix of talent AND a fun show in the process. They’ve missed that mark this year, with not enough of either.

    yes, I’d agree with this too. Not every season can be ‘best season evah!’ and I’d say the majority of fans and the press agree that this one just isn’t even close.

  89. Well, they cast the show for ratings, but imo, if they do it right, they can get both the right mix of talent AND a fun show in the process. They’ve missed that mark this year, with not enough of either.

    I agree. Some seasons, they’ve hit the trifecta: excellent talent, interesting personalities, and some really memorable performances. Some seasons they haven’t, and I think this is one of them.

    In most seasons, I think our memories are colored by the really good performances. We may remember David Cook, and forget how Katie Lee Cook stunk up the place. There’s always been a lot of suckage in the top ten. Usually we just have 4 or so entertaining and charasmatic contestants to make us not notice. So, while we’re missing a little bit of spark this season, I don’t think the contestants as a whole are exponentially worse than the top 10 of previous seasons. We just have a smaller ratio of consistent standouts.

  90. So, while we’re missing a little bit of spark this season, I don’t think the contestants as a whole are exponentially worse than the top 10 of previous seasons. We just have a smaller ratio of consistent standouts.

    Yeah, my take on S9 has consistently been, as a whole they’re really not that much WORSE than previous years, but there not as STRONG as others either.

    The biggest thing for me is that we just don’t have many (if any) WOW moments this season – real standout performances from anyone, including Crystal, who is always solid, but still hasn’t created that WOW moment, imo.

    Each year has it’s weak links, and certainly, we had plenty of mediocre performances from the likes of Sarver, Megan, Scott, etc, last year – but we also had some real WOW moments in the semi-finals and up to Top 10 (as in, at the same point that we’re into this year).

    I think Slezak said something similar in his recap for Wednesday – that of the remaining people, quite a few of them had yet to deliver performances that suggested they had any right to win the title.

  91. But, being a woman, I just prefer listening to men’s voices.

    People can prefer whatever they want.

    But everytime I see/hear this statement (and it comes up a lot), it makes me sad. Not all women sound alike, nor do all men.

    I think I didn’t phrase that properly. I didn’t mean that because I am a woman I prefer men’s voices (of course that’s not true); I meant that I AM a woman and I prefer men’s voices.

    Don’t know why I prefer male bands and solo artists; I just do. To me, their voice is more complex, greater variety in tone, etc. Can’t help what I like! I can definitely see some years where objectively I think one person is more talented than the other (example Carrie vs Bo) yet I vote for the person I personally prefer and enjoy listening to more (Bo).

  92. and I agree about the creepy innuendo…

    Yup….I’m guilty of that. ;-) Honestly though, it’s all about the voice for me. He just has the IT factor, and part of the IT factor is sex appeal. If he didn’t have the voice he does, it wouldn’t matter what he wore, what his eyes are like, whether he licked his lips or not.

  93. and I agree about the creepy innuendo…

    Yup….I’m guilty of that. ;-)

    Although I don’t partake in the overt drooling (although do comment on general hotness, lol) I actually find other’s comments mostly entertaining, not creepy.

    My question submitted for an interview was answered once by Danny Gokey “Do you enjoy being considered a sex symbol by many fans or is it embarrassing?”. He laughed a lot, said he had to admit he was flattered and then joked with the (woman) interviewer about his “back stage Passes”, referring to the posterior area. I’m sure some discussions can get OTT, but I think the celebs themselves are usually flattered.

    And that is only a fun part of the whole package; I would never like anyone if I didn’t enjoy their voice first and foremost. I loved Danny’s voice from the start; but thought he was dorky looking to start with in the season. And although many find Daughtry hot, I never did but love him.

    And I think most women are the same way; although we may comment on “hotness” that is not the overwhelming reason we choose a favorite; whereas it can be the primary reason for many teen/tween voters.

  94. Although I don’t partake in the overt drooling (although do comment on general hotness, lol) I actually find other’s comments mostly entertaining, not creepy.

    My question submitted for an interview was answered once by Danny Gokey “Do you enjoy being considered a sex symbol by many fans or is it embarrassing?”. He laughed a lot, said he had to admit he was flattered and then joked with the (woman) interviewer about his “back stage Passes”, referring to the posterior area. I’m sure some discussions can get OTT, but I think the celebs themselves are usually flattered.

    And that is only a fun part of the whole package; I would never like anyone if I didn’t enjoy their voice first and foremost. I loved Danny’s voice from the start; but thought he was dorky looking to start with in the season. And although many find Daughtry hot, I never did but love him.

    And I think most women are the same way; although we may comment on “hotness” that is not the overwhelming reason we choose a favorite; whereas it can be the primary reason for many teen/tween voters.

    I think it’s just a difference in what people talk about in life.

    I find various men quite sexy, and a (very) few of them are Idols (David C, if you must know). But I don’t talk about guys’ hotness much in real life, never have. I admire it, but I don’t talk much about it! So when I encounter other people talking about it I’m just kind of bemused. It doesn’t exactly bug me, but I don’t relate to it, and when discussions go that way I get super-bored and have no interest in reading them.

    Similarly, I imagine that some women are actually turned off by, embarrassed by, or annoyed by those conversations, depending on their own habits of thinking and talking.

    I think what you describe probably represents the majority view. And I think you’re right that for many people on this board, it probably doesn’t have a tremendous amount to do with voting.

    (There are similar differences in response attend other kinds of conversations, too. To take some simple examples — there are those who hate long drawn-out posts and those who don’t like chains of one-liners; those who adore any and all snark and those who find it inappropriate. All just preferences in conversation based on who we are and how we normally like to communicate, I think.)

    I think that even those of us who don’t talk about hotness probably sometimes vote partially on the basis of it, though. Because I don’t think our sexual natures are anything we can easily escape!

  95. I think Tim might just be punking us all. That’s why I have no problem with Kara verbally bitch-slapping him.

    Oh man, I thought I was the only one who felt this way. I’m not sure Tim is smart enough to punk us, but his attitude has been really cavalier, imo. I silently cheered as Kara brought him down a peg.

    Thank you! That makes three of us, at least. I didn’t get why everyone was saying Tim had such a great attidude just because he’s smiling creepily and laughing off his critiques. Sure, you want to enjoy your time on AI, but the way he kept laughing as he was explaining himself after the performance and on results night why he didn’t care about the critiques just rubbed me the wrong way. Cavalier is the right word, I think. I did not blame Kara for being a bit exasperated by his attitude, which I don’t think is “great”. More annoying, IMO.

  96. Re: Tim,

    but his attitude has been really cavalier, imo. I silently cheered as Kara brought him down a peg.

    I know I’m late w/ adding this comment. But, do you really think Kara brought him down a peg? I think he’s the one that came out looking good as a result of her attempt.

  97. I agree cookcricket,
    I don’t think Kara’s comments/criticism even worked with the average viewer. Or worked on Tim. I don’t think she gave him a reality check or “brought him down a peg.” Just my perspective, however. My bias against Kara and that she has absolutely nothing worthy to say may be showing here, but I’m not on Tim’s side either.

    I don’t think Tim has the self-awareness to gather from the judges’ comments that they feel he doesn’t belong in the competition and is skating by on his looks. I don’t like or dislike Tim as a person, but I actually felt for him when he gave the answer to Ryan during the results show, I believe, where he wasn’t going to change his emotions after a performance. He smiles cuz he got a once in a lifetime opportunity (now turned into about 7 undeserved chances, but hey…) to sing on national tv, but boohoo, the judges don’t like it. He’s still coming off a high and the critiques won’t do anything to ruin his moment. (Even if we and a lot of others feel his singing is Saw 6 frightening!)

  98. mandabutter, I believe I like Kara better than most so I don’t think your bias got in the way.

    I do think Tim is very aware that the judges don’t think he belongs in the competition. I also believe he’s kind of listening to what they say, the best he can. With “CLTCL” 2 weeks ago they all talked about how horrible the vocals were and so this week he tried to focus more on the vocals and emotion. LOL, poor guy just can’t do it. I feel bad for him, but love his attitude, and well he’s usually on pitch. I’m starting to think that the judges, esp. Kara, just don’t know how to handle him.

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