Idol Headlines for 01/09/10

Kris Allen coming to Clearwater on Valentine’s Day weekend

Kris Allen, last year’s American Idol winner, is coming to the Venue in Clearwater on Feb. 13 for the Meetball, a matchmaking event sponsored by 93.3-FLZ. Thing of it as a big singles party on the Saturday before Valentine’s Day.

The event is free (although it’ll be 21 and up), and it won’t be a full-fledged concert — Allen is expected to play three or four acoustic songs. But still, it’s a free show, and he’ll probably play new single Live Like We’re Dying, which, secretly, isn’t  100 percent  terrible (not that you heard it from us).

The event is 7 to 10 p.m. Feb. 13 at the Venue, 2675 Ulmerton Road. Click here for all the details.

Tampa Bay

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Kris Allen’s wife Katy to star in web-series

LET’S THINK productions will release the pilot episode of a new webseries, “The Bloodstone Diaries, ” starring Katy Allen, wife of American Idol Kris Allen, this Friday at a reception and screening at Star Bar Lounge in Little Rock at 9:00 p.m.

The pilot series titled “Sleeper” then goes live online at TheBloodstoneDiairies.com website at midnight January 8.

Today’s THV

Ellen DeGeneres Brings ‘Layperson’ View To ‘American Idol, ‘ Randy Jackson Says

While Jackson and DeGeneres haven’t judged together just yet (Hollywood Week doesn’t start until next week, and Ellen was hired after auditions were already taped), he’s sure she’ll bring a new feel to the panel.

“It’s definitely going to be a different dynamic, completely different people, ” he predicted. “Ellen’s different than Paula, and she’s going to interact with Simon [Cowell] and interact with me and Kara [DioGuardi] very differently.”

MTV

Paula Abdul Will Be Back In ‘A Huge Way, ‘ Randy Jackson Promises

Since Paula Abdul left “American Idol” back in August, fans have been speculating what her next move might be. Some are still clinging to the idea that she’ll make a triumphant return to “Idol” (highly unlikely, since the ninth season kicks off next week), while others are hoping rumors about a job on Simon Cowell’s U.S. version of “X Factor” are true.

What does Randy Jackson want for his former colleague? Well, he doesn’t know where Abdul will end up, but he’s pretty confident she’ll land on her feet.

“I know that she’s gonna be back in something in a huge way, because she’s mad talented, ” he said when asked Friday (January 8) about the “X Factor” reports. “The thing that I always say about this genre or about anything on the music/entertainment side is, ‘Expect the unexpected.’ You never know.”

MTV

“Idol” judge Jackson calls Cowell rumors distracting

Asked if Cowell would leave, Jackson said: “I really don’t know until I hear it from him…The rumors get so wild and crazy, you just don’t know what to believe.”

“It is pretty much a distraction. I think people get a little side-tracked with that…Let’s also focus on what we are judging and what the actual heartbeat of the show really is, and it is about finding that next superstar talent, ” he said.

Reuters

Randy Jackson Promises Interesting Wrinkles” for Ninth Season of American Idol”

Randy Jackson predicts America has an interesting, funny, different season” in store when the ninth cycle of American Idol kicks off next Tuesday on Fox. In a press conference earlier today Jackson assured reporters this season we have some really good, bona fide, stand-in-your-shoes singers without all the props or all the affectations.”

Though he remained relatively mum on specifics, Jackson promised a couple of interesting wrinkles” for the performance themes and revealed he’s most interested in hearing the contestants sing current music. Where ever you come in with this show, the only thing you know for sure is that you get a shot to go up against your contemporaries, ” he explains. This show is definitely a rocket ship to the top. Is it the only rocket ship? No, but I think it’s the best show of its kind, ever and it can go on for quite a long time.”

Rollingstone

Beginning of the end of ‘American Idol’?

Now starting its ninth season of music, dreams and entertainment at the expense of deluded wannabe superstars, American Idol has proved to have more lives than a kennel of bionic cats, despite (hopeful?) predictions of its demise.

But being bionic doesn’t mean you can’t pop a sprocket now and then, and the new season of Fox’s pop culture juggernaut, kicking off Tuesday, just might betray a couple of loose springs.

First off, few shows don’t start getting old after nine seasons. Then there’s the loss of original judge Paula I Love Your Special Specialness” Abdul and her replacement with non-musical comedian Ellen DeGeneres, which is either a brilliant idea or the show’s official running leap over the proverbial shark.

PBPulse

Jackson comments on Adam Lambert

To the general question on Lambert, here was Mr. Jackson’s response:

Lambert is a giant personality. He is unbelievably talented and the AMA thing is something he wanted to do and try.

An artist is really left up to their own ideas of how they want to do things and however and I think he’s a big personality. He is far bigger than Kris (Allen). Kris, obviously, won for a reason.

Allison (Iraheta) has her own record out. And (Danny) Gokey in some fashion you’ll hear from him. We had a lot of talented singers last year.”

Press Democrat.com

Adam Lambert + ‘Ugly Betty’: Let’s make this happen, God!

The 11 of you who don’t follow Adam Lambert on Twitter may not be aware of his no-longer-secret desire to snag guest-starring roles on True Blood, Weeds, and/or Gossip Girl. To recap, the American Idol season 8 runner-up responded to rumors about a possible role on Glee by announcing: Glee guest star rumor: it’s a rumor. Sorry guys.” Then, in three subsequent status updates, Adam went on to daydream a little about his small-screen acting aspirations: If I had to pick a show to guest star on I’d loooooooove to be on True Blood. Or Weeds. Those shows are amazing. Prob need some major acting classes though first. The casts of both those shows are first rate. Oh yeah. I’d love to be on Gossip Girl too! Leighton is amazing. I should be Blair’s shopping buddy. Hahah.” Now, because Adam managed to blend together my two favorite subjects in the world — horse racing and what’s for lunch American Idol and scripted television — I couldn’t help but do a little daydreaming of my own, and I thought it might be fun for all you Idoloonies, too. So here’s the challenge: Put on your Hollywood executive hat, then name the ideal show — and be sure to suggest a specific role! — for Idol’s glittery powerhouse. I’ll start:

Entertainment Weekly

‘American Idol’s’ Adam Lambert: ‘It’s time to get some leverage’

Why did Adam Lambert decide to get involved with “American Idol?” Watch the video below.

Monday, Jan. 11 is the premiere of “Adam Lambert: On the Record with Fuse.” We’ve got a sneak peek in which Adam discusses why he decided to audition for “American Idol” — leverage.

Someone advised Adam that joining the recording industry is all about building a fanbase and he thought “American Idol” would help him do that. He also never thought he would make it as far as he did on the show.

Zap2it

Allison Iraheta Interview On Radio Disney

American Idol finalist Allison Iraheta sat in the Radio Disney studio with radio hosts Ernie D and Jake.

Allison talked about her new song Friday I’ll Be Over You”: The song is basically telling some moron out there it’s not going to be that hard to get over you. Of course, it will take Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday… but FRIDAY! Then, I’ll be over you and Saturday and Sunday…those are my days.”

Was Allison nervous when she tried out for American Idol? I auditioned for ‘American Juniors’ and didn’t make it, so I was a little scared waiting to hear back after I auditioned for ‘American Idol.’”

What did Allison learn from her time on American Idol? She says Stay true to yourself.”

Disney Dreaming

David Cook Says He’s Better With a Guitar Than Tools

‘American Idol’ winner David Cook lends a hand to ‘Extreme Makeover: Home Edition’ this Sunday. On the show, the singer helps build a house for The Cowan family, whose 12-year-old daughter Kori suffers from a congenital blood disease.

And although Kori herself is ill, during one of her hospital stays, she raised over $35K for the American Cancer Society — a fact that really inspired David, who lost his older brother Adam to cancer.

The former ‘Idol’ talked to PopEater about his experience with Ty Pennington and co., plus how good he is with a hammer and nail. “I’m probably better off with a guitar, ” he tells us.

POPeater

Second Cup Cafe: Katharine McPhee

Four years ago, “McPheever” spread across America, when Katharine McPhee became an “American Idol” favorite.

Since her “Idol” days, she’s had a Top 10 album and landed a co-starring role in the 2008 movie, “The House Bunny, ” as well as making appearances on the hit TV shows, “CSI: New York” and “Ugly Betty.”

Her brand new album, “Unbroken, ” hit shelves this week and she stopped by “The Early Show Saturday Edition”‘s “Second Cup Cafe” to perform her first single off the album, “Had It All, ” as well as “Keep Drivin’.”

CBSNews

Carrie Underwood plans to have her dog in her wedding

Here’s how Underwood answered the question: ”Oh my gosh … other than tonight? I’ve had a lot of moments – winning ‘American Idol’ – I see pictures of that still all the time. … But here’s the moment I’m most looking forward to … I plan for my dog to be in my wedding. I plan for him to be the little ring-bearer – having him walk down the aisle all dressed up in a tuxedo – I’m serious – that will be a Kodak moment.”

Underwood owns a rat terrier named Ace, who was featured in her All-American Girl” music video and more recently in her Fox holiday special.

NewsOK.com

Billboard singles reviews: Carrie Underwood, Young Money

SINGLE: TEMPORARY HOME

NEW YORK (Billboard) – The second single from Carrie Underwood’s chart-topping new album, “Play On, ” finds the gifted artist switching gears from her feisty previous single to this poignant, finely crafted ballad. Underwood co-wrote the song with Luke Laird and Zac Maloy, and each verse profiles someone facing a challenge, from a young boy to a single mother to a dying old man. Hope reverberates through the scenarios as each character senses that life on Earth is but a temporary trial. Underwood has said that she aimed to reveal more of herself on this album, and her faith shines through here. Vocally, she has never sounded more heartfelt and compelling. “Temporary Home” is a powerful song that’s stirring but not preachy, and Underwood’s performance is sure to resonate strongly with listeners.

Billboard

VIDEO: Fantasia Addresses Home Foreclosure Rumors on BET’s 106 & Park

R&B singer Fantasia Barrino dropped by BET Studios in NYC Wednesday (Dec 6) to record an episode of 106 & Park. The American Idol alum is in the midst of promoting her new reality show Fantasia For Real, ” set to to mage its debut Monday at 10 pm ET on VH1.

Video of Fanny addressing rumors of her losing her home and Simon Cowell giving her cash to get it back after the break. No word on that Cook” tattoo on her shoulder though! Nice work on covering it up too. You ain’t slick lol!

gossiponthis

Kara DioGuardi: Hard Rock Hotel Hottie

Stepping out for an evening of loud music, Kara DioGuardi was spotted attending the SWAGG VIP Kid Rock concert last night (January 7).

The American Idol” chick looked flirty in a grey dress with black heels as she made her way inside the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino for the big event.

celebrity-gossip.net

Simon Cowell ‘most talented entertainer’ on TV in 2010

The X-Factor judge beat off competition from other stars such as Ant & Dec, Martin Clunes and Jamie Oliver to land the accolade from TV industry magazine Broadcast.

It said that “2009 ended with only one man controlling TV” as Cowell’s talent shows Britain’s Got Talent and The X Factor dominated the year with audiences that peaked at more than 19 million.

The magazine said: “Joe McElderry may have triumphed in the 2009 X Factor final, but there’s no disputing who was the biggest winner.”

Broadcast named 20 stars who featured not only in entertainment shows, but also drama, documentaries and comedy.

Telegraph.co.uk

Jane Lynch Committed To Being ‘Glee’-fully Bad

As the ‘Glee’ cast made a triumphant return from hiatus on Thursday there was plenty to sing about: a People’s Choice Award from the night before and a lot of show momentum.

So could the show’s giddy success mean a turn for nice for Sue Sylvester: The World’s Most Obnoxious Cheerleading Coach?

Don’t count on it.

“That was short-lived, ” said Golden Globe nominee Jane Lynch of the odd-spasms into niceness her character has shown. “There is a decency to Sue. But she just really enjoys being an awful person. She gets glee out of being a terrible person.”

Popeater.com

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290 Comments

  1. Danny’s album “My Best Days” is now available for pre-order on Amazon.com, with a release date of March 2.

  2. Tweets from Adams AOL session;

    DOUGASAURIS It’s been a long day shooting 5 songs for AOL

    DOUGASAURIS WWFM, Fever, Strut, If I had you, Soaked

    DOUGASAURIS And an interview

    The photographer also tweeted before and after working with Adam. It seems to have been a good session.

  3. For me, (for you) there was entirely too much Randy Jackson today, dawg. Oy to the vey. He rarely says anything of any weight or substance. Or maybe if he does, I just can’t hear it amidst the blather and so it’s like ‘blah blah blah Dawg blah blah’ to me now.

  4. POP:
    34 34 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 1626 1491 135 11.99
    +83 Soins
    +108 Bullet
    +0.664 AI

    HAC:
    43 41 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 312 266 46 1.531
    +12 Spins
    -6 Bullet
    -0.095 AI

  5. For me, (for you) there was entirely too much Randy Jackson today, dawg.

    This!

    And, your dawg in the wedding, Carrie? Really?!

  6. POP:
    26 27 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 2395 2302 93 13.528
    +13 Spins
    -29 Bullet
    +0.355 AI

    HAC:
    12 12 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 2220 2092 128 11.137
    +9 Spins
    -49 Bullet
    +0.094 AI

  7. When is the “Ryan Rock My Town” (aka the Kris/Adam/Allison reunion) concert scheduled for?

    Has anyone heard any details?

  8. POP:
    34 34 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 1626 1491 135 11.99
    +83 Soins
    +108 Bullet
    +0.664 AI

    HAC:
    43 41 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 312 266 46 1.531
    +12 Spins
    -6 Bullet
    -0.095 AI

    What does “Bullet” and “AI” mean?

  9. When is the “Ryan Rock My Town” (aka the Kris/Adam/Allison reunion) concert scheduled for?

    Has anyone heard any details?

    2/14/10 Adam, Kris and Allison in concert Sunday 5:30PM ET New York. Location: TBA

  10. 34 34 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 1626 1491 135 11.99
    +83 Soins
    +108 Bullet
    +0.664 AI

    What you are seeing there is not really the bullet or Audience Impression but the increase in bullet and AI. I think the bullet is a measure how much spins have been increased in the past 7 days. The bullet is 135. And I think you only speak of a bullet when you have spin increase…

    You can read about it here;
    http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pop&action=display&thread=82165

  11. Thanks Saga. I kind of get it. Do you know how or what is measured to get the audience impression number?

    ooops just saw your link.

  12. Oh and from the Press Democrat “article,” about Randy

    Reading between the lines it doesn’t sound like he thought that highly of Lambert on the AMAs.

    Mr. Jackson has been in the music industry for two decades and Idol Chatter happens to think his opinion is worthy. We’ll make every effort to get his thoughts for you.

    Yeah, while Randy might not have thought much of Adam’s AMA performance (and really, reading between the lines? I don’t think there is a lot of subtext I miss when reading or listening to Randy), but he was still positive to Adam overall. Oh and “making every effort to get his thoughts,” for us? really, don’t put yourself out there, PressDemocrat. I’m more than okay with what I do hear from him. Waaay more than okay with it.

  13. Hearing that AT40 breakout songs for this week are “Imma Be” and “WWFM” (and maybe more).

    WWFM also made Billy Costa’s top 30

    http://kiss108.com/pages/top30.html

    Not sure what that list is based on, maybe spins and requests. Afaik there is no public voting.

  14. LLWD debuted at #29 on the AT40. Since WWFM was one of the breakout songs this week, it should debut on the chart next week. I’m surprised about that, I thought it would debut during the first week of February, but I guess the Freeze really helped it and “Imma Be.”

  15. Awww, I’d totally go to that Kris concert in Clearwater, except I have a friend’s wedding to go to that night. Sadness.

  16. I saw an Idol commercial early this morning I never saw before and it showed a different view of the main audition wall. Big shot of Kris one side of the AI logo, big shot of David on the other side. It looked like from the angle they’re the only two on the wall. Pretty funny what looks to be the year of a female winning they have the last two male winners so prominent hee.

  17. LLWD debuted at #29 on the AT40. Since WWFM was one of the breakout songs this week, it should debut on the chart next week. I’m surprised about that, I thought it would debut during the first week of February, but I guess the Freeze really helped it and “Imma Be.”

    Checking the current chart it seems that WWFM has to pass Daughtry (#31) to enter top40. Not sure I am reading this correctly though.

  18. Does HAC also have their own top40 list not entirely based on the mediabase list? Or will entering the top40 HAC mean that you get played on top40 on HAC. Maybe I should ask if HAC even have top40 shows? :grin:

  19. Checking the current chart it seems that WWFM has to pass Daughtry (#31) to enter top40. Not sure I am reading this correctly though.

    A few songs will probably fall off the chart next week, for example, it’s probably the last week for “Waking Up in Vegas” as well as “Knock You Down,” which will make room for both WWFM and “Imma Be.”

  20. Does HAC also have their own top40 list not entirely based on the mediabase list? Or will entering the top40 HAC mean that you get played on top40 on HAC. Maybe I should ask if HAC even have top40 shows?

    Both Ryan Seacrest and Rick Dees have nationally syndicated top 40 HAC countdown shows. With Ryan, as with the top 40 pop countdown, the songs are determined by mediabase and they have rules to determine where to place songs that have gone recurrent. I think Rick Dees’ countdown, at least the pop one, looks a little more up to date because he uses different rules to deal with songs that have gone recurrent.

  21. Article about New Years Eve at Pechanga on the Daily Finance web site:

    Pechanga New Year’s Celebration Rivals Entire City of Vegas
    74K Visitors to Pechanga is nearly a quarter of the 315K expected visitors to Las Vegas on NYE
    Business Wire

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/article/pechanga-new-years-celebration-rivals/847811

    Here’s the relevant Idol mention:

    To attract such a crowd on NYE, Pechanga pulled out all the stops and utilized its considerable size to host six different parties and events, five of which were open to the public and one an invitation-only concert. Not only was it the biggest NYE celebration Pechanga has ever undertaken, it was the largest in all of Southern California, with more events under one roof than anywhere else. Headlined with a superstar performance by American Idol winner David Cook in the Showroom Theater, the events ranged from a cirque-themed gala in the ballroom to the electro-hop superstars LMFAO in Silk, the largest nightclub in Southern California. The top floor Eagle’s Nest lounge saw a retro 70s/80s party and the Cabaret had free live music all night long. The night was crowned by a live HD broadcast of David Cook singing “Auld Lang Syne” from the Theater, fed to 50 plasma screens throughout the 200,000+ sq. ft. casino. More than 20,000 people were inside the facility for the countdown. That is equivalent to the maximum capacity of Staples Center for a concert.

  22. Has it been confirmed that subo and adam will be on same oprah show? There is a broadway world article saying subo on 1/13. And the oprah show itself has already confirmed adam will air on 1/19. Maybe the article confused the taping date with the air date

  23. Yes it is confirmed that Adam and SuBo is going to be on the same show. There are rumors of a duet but I think that is just something someone has made up.

  24. Cook fans, if you’re looking for something to listen to today, don’t forget to tune into KCRadio.com for Andrew Cook’s last show on that station. He’ll be on for four hours, from 12:00 noon to 4:00 p.m. central time. I’m sure they’ll be music by David, his band, and various opening acts and friends.

    http://www.kcradio.com/index2.php

  25. Yes it is confirmed that Adam and SuBo is going to be on the same show. There are rumors of a duet but I think that is just something someone has made up.

    I’m guessing that is made up too. I don’t think it would come across as anything but a joke if the two sang together, and I hope Adam’s people would be smart enough to put a stop to that. The increase of sales wouldn’t be enough to offset the lameness of singing with the cat lady. Adam has enough over 40 fans, he needs people in their 20s, and I don’t know anybody my age who would find him cool after that.

  26. Has it been confirmed that subo and adam will be on same oprah show? There is a broadway world article saying subo on 1/13.

    Broadway World was using The Daily Mail as a source. Maybe the mail is assuming that the tape date, which is Wednesday Jan 13, is the air date–which it is not.

  27. :lol

    The UK Daily Mail – if that’s the source – should never be believed about anything…

  28. Reading between the lines it doesn’t sound like he thought that highly of Lambert on the AMAs.

    Did anyone?! No one I’ve heard talk about it was impressed at all. It’s buzz, but it’s definitely negative buzz.

  29. I don’t think it would come across as anything but a joke if the two sang together,

    Oprah doesn’t allow things that are “a joke” on her show. I’m sure if the did sing together, it would be well done.

    The increase of sales wouldn’t be enough to offset the lameness of singing with the cat lady. Adam has enough over 40 fans, he needs people in their 20s, and I don’t know anybody my age who would find him cool after that.

    Tell that to Lady Gaga and 50 Cent. They have both expressed an interest in doing a duet with SuBo. Do you realize all the crazy duets that have happened in the music world?
    I don’t know how old you are , but I am a young AI fan. I would find anyone like Adam, Lady Gaga or 50 Cent singing a duet with SuBo to be fascinating.

  30. Did anyone?! No one I’ve heard talk about it was impressed at all. It’s buzz, but it’s definitely negative buzz.

    I did and I was. Many of my friends loved it. I’ve seen many articles that were positive about the performance. True, it is buzz. Negative? That is your opinion. My opinion is that it has created a huge amount of positive buzz. I haven’t seen the supposed backlash.

  31. Diane
    01/09/2010 at 1:00 pm
    Reading between the lines it doesn’t sound like he thought that highly of Lambert on the AMAs.

    “Did anyone?! No one I’ve heard talk about it was impressed at all. It’s buzz, but it’s definitely negative buzz.”

    It doesn’t matter if he like it or not, I am pretty sure he will be happy to see Adam perform on their show to boost ratings.

  32. Andrew already played Allison’s Friday I’ll Be Over You. Here’s a tweet from him of what will be coming up this afternoon:

    ACookOfficial: LAST AC ON KCRADIO.COM Featuring @andyskib, @immattgiraud, @michaelsarver1, @gro, and @krisallen! CHECK IT OUT TODAY from 12-4pm CT

  33. The real numbers are hard to get (most folks just round off), so I’ll post this in today’s headlines as well. Billboard 200:

    1 BOYLE*SUSAN I DREAMED A DREAM 136,566 -73 510,166 3,103,828
    5 SWIFT*TAYLOR FEARLESS 59,701 -73 224,270 5,329,167
    17 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE PLAY ON 33,501 -78 152,873 1,183,086
    36 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 17,236 -72 61,683 433,834
    63 DAUGHTRY LEAVE THIS TOWN 11,922 -65 34,053 881,621
    91 ALLEN*KRIS KRIS ALLEN 8,565 -71 29,495 227,970
    159 CLARKSON*KELLY ALL I EVER WANTED 5,020 -64 13,948 815,483
    185 DAUGHTRY DAUGHTRY 4,323 -63 11,681 4,613,395
    186 IRAHETA*ALLISON JUST LIKE YOU 4,298 -64 11,884 74,309

  34. 36 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 17,236 -72 61,683

    I thought Adam only sold 59K last week?

  35. Tell that to Lady Gaga and 50 Cent. They have both expressed an interest in doing a duet with SuBo. Do you realize all the crazy duets that have happened in the music world?

    Lady Gaga and 50 Cent are cool enough in most people’s eyes that it would be ironically funny, Adam being a AI runner up is a little too close to SUBO territory for it to be ironic right now.

  36. The real numbers are hard to get (most folks just round off), so I’ll post this in today’s headlines as well. Billboard 200:

    1 BOYLE*SUSAN I DREAMED A DREAM 136,566 -73 510,166 3,103,828
    5 SWIFT*TAYLOR FEARLESS 59,701 -73 224,270 5,329,167
    17 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE PLAY ON 33,501 -78 152,873 1,183,086
    36 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 17,236 -72 61,683 433,834
    63 DAUGHTRY LEAVE THIS TOWN 11,922 -65 34,053 881,621
    91 ALLEN*KRIS KRIS ALLEN 8,565 -71 29,495 227,970
    159 CLARKSON*KELLY ALL I EVER WANTED 5,020 -64 13,948 815,483
    185 DAUGHTRY DAUGHTRY 4,323 -63 11,681 4,613,395
    186 IRAHETA*ALLISON JUST LIKE YOU 4,298 -64 11,884 74,309

    I’m confused. Aren’t these last weeks?

  37. I’m confused. Aren’t these last weeks?

    I think these must be the real non-rounded numbers from last week, rather than the rounded ones that are published in USA Today? Am I understanding this right?

  38. I think these must be the real non-rounded numbers from last week, rather than the rounded ones that are published in USA Today? Am I understanding this right?

    How do you round off 61,683 to 59?

  39. Those are the numbers for the week that ended on 1/2.

    This week’s sales will end Sunday, 1/9 and the new BB 200 chart will come out on Wednesday as usual. Billboard confuses people even more by the date it gives the chart but I’m not going to even touch that one.

    You have to pay for the full chart so when it’s leaked it’s a big deal. And yes USA Today had the same numbers but rounded off.

  40. Cook fans, if you’re looking for something to listen to today, don’t forget to tune into KCRadio.com for Andrew Cook’s last show on that station.

    Thanks, Sassycatz – his playlist sometimes sorta resembles my iPod, heh.

  41. Lady Gaga and 50 Cent are cool enough in most people’s eyes that it would be ironically funny,

    I don’t think Gaga or 50 cent meant it as a joke. Wouldn’t that mean they would be poking fun at her? That’s nice.

    Gaga and 50 Cent actually wanted to RECORD a song with SuBo. If they can record with her and still be considered cool, it should be okay if Adam simply sings a song with her- on a show that both of them ended up on at the same time. I think Adam’s reputation will survive. (You do remember he just came off of a cheesy singing contest…American Idol?)

    I’m sure if this rumor is indeed true, it will be a classy duet. Oprah doesn’t go for tacky. I’m also sure that Adam will be a sweetheart to SuBo. He is charming and has a sixth sense when it comes to dealing with people.

    I’m sure Oprah and her staff will give us a well-done, informative and entertaining show.

  42. I don’t think Gaga or 50 cent meant it as a joke. Wouldn’t that mean they would be poking fun at her? That’s nice.

    Do you actually think if 50 cent recorded a song with Susan Boyle it would not be something people watched to laugh at?

    Gaga and 50 Cent actually wanted to RECORD a song with SuBo.

    It is a good thing their people were probably smart enough to tell them that would be a terrible idea.

    Oprah doesn’t go for tacky

    Oh really, want to ask Tom Cruise about that lol?

  43. How do you round off 61,683 to 59?

    It wasn’t… I think the 59 was from the week prior to that…i remember last week seeing the 61ish number rounded up to 62,…he had a 5% increase last week, which was a surprise…..so 59, 62, 17

  44. saga
    01/09/2010 at 11:18 am
    Hearing that AT40 breakout songs for this week are “Imma Be” and “WWFM” (and maybe more).

    WWFM also made Billy Costa’s top 30

    http://kiss108.com/pages/top30.html

    Not sure what that list is based on, maybe spins and requests. Afaik there is no public voting.

    Thanks for the link. And in other news, Kris Allen’s ‘Live Like We’re Dying’ is #22 on that list. Adam is #30.

  45. It wasn’t… I think the 59 was from the week prior to that…i remember last week seeing the 61ish number rounded up to 62,…he had a 5% increase last week, which was a surprise…..so 59, 62, 17

    Ugh, yeah you’re right. Sorry, too much numbers to keep in my head. My bad.

  46. So Adam needs approximately 66,000 to go gold. How long will it take him to do that? Middle of February?

  47. I don’t think Gaga or 50 cent meant it as a joke. Wouldn’t that mean they would be poking fun at her? That’s nice.

    As I understand the joke, they are poking fun at themselves. They are noticing that she’s the best selling artist this year (cleaned their clocks) and jokingly saying that they should try to improve their standing by riding on her coattails (recording with her). They would never do it (well, Gaga might because she likes to do things that make people scratch their heads), they are just being good-natured about being beaten in the sales department by a total newbie in 5 weeks.

    They aren’t poking fun at SuBo, IMO.

    Oprah doesn’t go for tacky.

    That’s a total matter of opinion.

    Disclaimer: I do think that it’s an AMAZING gig for Adam to be featured on the Oprah show and I SERIOUSLY doubt that he’ll be doing a duet with SuBo. That makes no sense to me. I could see a show thematically built around the two, but why make them sing together? If he does sing with SuBo, it will be fine. Nobody will care (unless they think it’s sweet). I’m in no way mocking Adam or SuBo (I rarely watch Oprah, but the one time I recall seeing the show, she made some poor hotel manager grovel at her feet because some clerk initially wouldn’t let her stay at his hotel because they had a no pets policy and she had two dogs in tow when she showed up demanding a room in the middle of the night (somehow, she’d locked herself out of her own house). They did eventually let her stay at the hotel, but she was OUTRAGED that she would be expected to follow the rules mere mortals follow. That kind of cemented my opinion of her, so I reserve the right to mock her).

  48. Aww, Brooke W. got named in another top 10 list for best rock/pop albums of the year. I don’t know how big iF Magazine is, but it looks like a legitimate entertainment website.

    http://ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=3666

    Brooke White defied all expectations with her exceptional new disc of folky pop. Her voice was so unique, so pure, that it’s probably a good thing she didn’t win and get paired up with hitmakers that might have homogenized her sound. She’s cut from the Carly Simon cloth of singer-songwriters, and every song here is a winner.

    (They mentioned AIEW, too, but that’s gotten a lot of press already.)

  49. I don’t think Gaga or 50 cent meant it as a joke. Wouldn’t that mean they would be poking fun at her? That’s nice.

    Do you actually think if 50 cent recorded a song with Susan Boyle it would not be something people watched to laugh at?

    I don’t know, but neither do you. I assume if Lady Gaga and 50 Cent wanted to record with SuBo, it wouldn’t be so people would make fun oif them or their recording.

    It is a good thing their people were probably smart enough to tell them that would be a terrible idea.

    You know this how? Have you been in touch with their people?

  50. Oprah doesn’t go for tacky

    Oh really, want to ask Tom Cruise about that lol?

    I would assume anyone (with common sense) would know the difference between something that was done on the spur of the moment and a duet that was planned for.

    Oprah doesn’t go for tacky.

    That’s a total matter of opinion.

    The 7 to 8 MILLION loyal viewers that Oprah has daily must have a positive opinion of the show and what it chooses to present. Plus, those viewers seem to be BUYERS!

  51. I don’t think there’ll be a duet simply because they won’t have time to rehearse on anything.

    It could have been interesting to see how Adam adapts himself to singing with her, though, as he always adapts himself to his partners…

    But, like I said, don’t think it’ll happen. I’m supposing they’d rather do songs off their albums, in order to promote them (at least Adam will! SuBo can just lay back and retire with her numbers, lo!)

  52. I would assume anyone (with common sense) would know the difference between something that was done on the spur of the moment and a duet that was planned for.

    Something that was done at the spur of the moment but TAPED, as in Oprah could have edited if she only showed classy things like you claimed. Oprah built her career on tabloid shit. She loves a good circus just like anyone.

  53. The 7 to 8 MILLION loyal viewers that Oprah has daily must have a positive opinion of the show and what it chooses to present. Plus, those viewers seem to be BUYERS!

    lol Jerry springer gets good ratings so I guess he’s high class too!

  54. The housewife thing was harsh and I am sorry about that, I actually like most of the Adam fans on here. I just hate the hypocrisy of some fans. The AMA’s were going to make him a star, then all of the sudden he doesn’t do to good and it is because of censorship, not his poor performance. Adam is performing on New Years Eve with Seacrest, but then he isn’t and now it is a lame gig and who watched it anyway? Adam doesn’t have the sales of SuBo but it doesn’t matter because her fans are just buying her stuff out of pity and she is a fad, but now they might duet together and that would be the greatest thing in the world and all artists are clamoring to get a piece of susan boyle!

  55. nyc
    01/09/2010 at 3:21 pm
    the overweight housewife demographic though? In that case they should duet with Adam Lambert too!

    I don’t fit in either of those categories. Maybe 50 cent or Gaga should consider a duet with Carrie Underwood, that would hit up the overweight, country bumpkin’ housewife crowd!

    lol I don’t fit in those categories ether but I think it’s true that right now Afam’s(and Kris) majority f fans are housewives, simply because those are the people who watch AI more(as ratings have proved) and lol, have you actually been to a Carrie concert? she’s one of the few that’s broken out of the AI bubble.

  56. I do think that it’s an AMAZING gig for Adam to be featured on the Oprah show and I SERIOUSLY doubt that he’ll be doing a duet with SuBo. That makes no sense to me. I could see a show thematically built around the two, but why make them sing together? If he does sing with SuBo, it will be fine. Nobody will care (unless they think it’s sweet).

    ITA. I doubt they will sing together and I believe it is just a rumor at this point. I also agree that viewers would think it was sweet. The same way they would feel if any other idol did a duet with her on the Oprah show.

  57. Wow Z100 is loving some Kradam today.

    just hate the hypocrisy of some fans.

    I’ll own up to some of that at times. I thought FYE was a perfect fit for Top 40 – wrong! I thought LLWD would not be a good fit for top 40 – wrong! Apparently I’m on a slow learning curve.

  58. I just hate the hypocrisy of some fans.

    I hear what you’re saying, and I see it all the time. I think it’s a rationalization process that helps people feel better, just human nature. But I don’t think it’s exclusive to Adam fans at all. Somehow it just seems to irritate people more when they do it LOL.

    I’ve done it myself, for Adam, and for other things I’ve been invested in rather than just a casual watcher.

  59. Adam doesn’t have the sales of SuBo but it doesn’t matter because her fans are just buying her stuff out of pity and she is a fad, but now they might duet together and that would be the greatest thing in the world and all artists are clamoring to get a piece of susan boyle!

    I, for one, never said SuBo is doing well because “her fans” have pity for her. In fact, I can’t remember seeing that opinion expressed on this blog. Why would “fans” of someone buy their cd out of pity? I have seen it said that she is a fad, or a “story” to buy. I’ve seen that from fans of different idols and seen the same thing discussed on blogs outside the idol world. Everyone is wondering how she sold so much? BTW, she didn’t just beat Adam’s sales, she blew away ALL the sales from all the idols this year! ALL OF THEM!

    No one said a duet would be the greatest thing in the world. But to imply that Adam’s whole career would go up in flames because he simply agreed to sing a song with SuBo on the Oprah Show, is an extreme assumption.

  60. But to imply that Adam’s whole career would go up in flames because he simply agreed to sing a song with SuBo on the Oprah Show, is an extreme assumption.

    Why does every criticism of Adam have to turn into, “you said he would fail and have no career”. It would be a stupid idea, probably make him seem dorky to some younger fans if they saw it on youtube, but of course wouldn’t end his career. YOu are the one who veered into that dramatic territory.

  61. just hate the hypocrisy of some fans.

    I’ll own up to some of that at times. I thought FYE was a perfect fit for Top 40 – wrong! I thought LLWD would not be a good fit for top 40 – wrong! Apparently I’m on a slow learning curve.

    Ok, english is not my first language but how is this hypocrisy? To me, that is just an opinion, and just because others don’t agree or it turned out not to be right doesn’t make it hypocrisy…

  62. I hear what you’re saying, and I see it all the time. I think it’s a rationalization process that helps people feel better, just human nature. But I don’t think it’s exclusive to Adam fans at all. Somehow it just seems to irritate people more when they do it LOL.

    I’ve done it myself, for Adam, and for other things I’ve been invested in rather than just a casual watcher.

    It’s not. The same thing is done over and over from all the fans of all the different idols. Like I said before:

    “I also agree that viewers would think it was sweet. The same way they would feel if any other idol did a duet with her on the Oprah show.”

  63. “I also agree that viewers would think it was sweet. The same way they would feel if any other idol did a duet with her on the Oprah show.”

    Um, no I don’t think any idol should duet with Susan Boyle, I don’t think it would be sweet, I would think it was pathetic if it was Carrie, the Davids, Kelly, or whoever.

  64. Ok, english is not my first language but how is this hypocrisy? To me, that is just an opinion, and just because others don’t agree or it turned out not to be right doesn’t make it hypocrisy…

    I guess you’re right. I’m sure thought that I’ve expressed an opinion and then backtracked because things weren’t working out the way I thought they would. I do agree that alot of fans do that, not just Adam fans.

    I don’t think a duet would be sweet, but Adam kissing the back of her hand ala Paula, Pam Anderson and others, yes, viewers would think that’s sweet.

  65. I’ll own up to some of that at times. I thought FYE was a perfect fit for Top 40 – wrong! I thought LLWD would not be a good fit for top 40 – wrong! Apparently I’m on a slow learning curve.

    I am not sure anyone has figured out top 40. I think whatever they decide to play is a good fit, and that anything the powers that be decide to play will do well.

  66. gangreen29
    01/09/2010 at 3:24 pm

    The housewife thing was harsh and I am sorry about that, I actually like most of the Adam fans on here. I just hate the hypocrisy of some fans. The AMA’s were going to make him a star, then all of the sudden he doesn’t do to good and it is because of censorship, not his poor performance. Adam is performing on New Years Eve with Seacrest, but then he isn’t and now it is a lame gig and who watched it anyway? Adam doesn’t have the sales of SuBo but it doesn’t matter because her fans are just buying her stuff out of pity and she is a fad, but now they might duet together and that would be the greatest thing in the world and all artists are clamoring to get a piece of susan boyle!

    First let me say I am an Adam fan and I don’t fit the description you placed about his fans and the housewife thing but I actually figure that some of his fans possibly are overweight housewives but how are they a bad thing a fan is a fan IMHO but I understand you where more trying to make a point. Its the OTT ones that can be an issue in any size shape or gender.

    His AMA performance was BAD. He had some good rifts (especially the last one) but I saw an Adam that was not himself. He wasn’t playful (like in the video) and he seemed to be too worried about the choreographydo then the actual singing of the song. The double standard and censorship is separate issue and I am not going to dwell on it as it as been discussed in tired Infitum on this blog, But they both are reality and happened, in my opinion. He gave a bad performance but also there were double standards again IMHO

    The other things you saying about “when Adam is doing something it good and when he is not It sucks….I think that is just what fans do IMHO it is not right or wrong it just is.

    Now all this is just my opinion and it is not better or worse then yours but I just wanted you to know as an Adam fan there are more who know that the AMA performance was not good and who also know that the Ryan Seacrest Rockin NYE would have been a good thing (but the Gridlock event did turn out to be a good thing. More songs where sung and that is a fact)

  67. Now this is just my opinion and it is not better or worse then yours but I just wanted you to know as an Adam fan there are more who know that the AMA performance was not good and who also know that the Ryan Seacrest Rockin NYE would have been a good thing (but the Gridlock event did turn out to be a good thing. More songs where sung and that is a fact)

    And I respect your opinion, and I appreciate Dhunken how level headed and even keeled you are on most things.

  68. …never said SuBo is doing well because “her fans” have pity for her. In fact, I can’t remember seeing that opinion expressed on this blog.

    I can remember it being said… lots of times, probably because I was involved in those discussions pre both Subo and the A18 idol’s album releases.

    Not that it matters, but it was certainly a line of argument.

  69. And I respect your opinion, and I appreciate Dhunken how level headed and even keeled you are on most things.

    Thank You and right back at ya!

  70. Um, no I don’t think any idol should duet with Susan Boyle, I don’t think it would be sweet, I would think it was pathetic if it was Carrie, the Davids, Kelly, or whoever.

    I have to disagree. I don’t think a duet would SuBo would be pathetic. And I don’t trust the English papers but supposedly Gaga is a big fan of SuBo in a non-ironic way. And SuBo’s so out there that some rappers probably like her as well.

    That said, I highly doubt SuBo and Adam will be dueting. They’re both reality TV runners up so I don’t think one is that much “coooler” than the other anyway.

  71. That said, I highly doubt SuBo and Adam will be dueting. They’re both reality TV runners up so I don’t think one is that much “cooler” than the other anyway.

    I agree

  72. jpfan
    01/09/2010 at 4:17 pm

    That said, I highly doubt SuBo and Adam will be dueting. They’re both reality TV runners up so I don’t think one is that much “coooler” than the other anyway.

    Thank you so very much. I’ve been staying away from this topic because none of the principals matter to me, but this was so very insightful that I had to give it another bit of prominence, if only on MJ’s.

  73. “Um, no I don’t think any idol should duet with Susan Boyle, I don’t think it would be sweet, I would think it was pathetic if it was Carrie, the Davids, Kelly, or whoever.”

    I have to disagree. I don’t think a duet would SuBo would be pathetic. And I don’t trust the English papers but supposedly Gaga is a big fan of SuBo in a non-ironic way. And SuBo’s so out there that some rappers probably like her as well.

    ITA. If Carrie was on the same show and did a duet with her, viewers would find it sweet or charming. Or Archie…how sweet would that be? Would a duet between Subo and Carrie or Archie hurt them with their fans or potential fans. How about David Cook? He seems like a sweet, respectful, mature man. Would he be considered “lame” if he agreed to sing a song with SuBo on the Oprah show?
    I have also read about Gaga being a big fan of SuBo in a legit way. What’s wrong with that? She agrees with millions of other Americans.

    “her fans” have pity for her. In fact, I can’t remember seeing that opinion expressed on this blog.

    I can remember it being said… lots of times, probably because I was involved in those discussions pre both Subo and the A18 idol’s album releases.

    So her fans, the ones who couldn’t wait to buy her album, actually purchased it because THEY HAD PITY ON HER? Some fans!

  74. people-think rational. adam is going on oprah to give background about him pre-dol, most likely growing up being an open gay man, his run on american idol, possibly sing 2 or 1 songs (wwfm is definately going to be sung)……..he will NOT going to be singing with susan boyle, LOL!

  75. The 7 to 8 MILLION loyal viewers that Oprah has daily must have a positive opinion of the show and what it chooses to present. Plus, those viewers seem to be BUYERS!

    Yes, her viewers are good buyers and that’s why I’m quite clear on stating (on multiple threads) that I think getting featured on her show is a GOOD thing. And no point have I ever said that it is not.

    But just because they are good buyers doesn’t mean that Oprah “doesn’t do tacky”. She does. Frequently. But, people buy tacky things all the time and just because a person does some tacky things doesn’t mean everything you do is tacky. And the number of viewers says nothing about your relative level of tackiness. 23 million people watched “Moment of Truth” on Fox and I happen to think that is one of tackiest thing that’s ever been on television.

    Disclaimer: Oprah is a good gig. It’s a good gig for Adam to do. Oprah’s fans buy a lot and a lot of people like what she likes. Just because I think she does some tacky things doesn’t mean I think everything she does is tacky or that Adam is tacky. So, it is within the realm of possibilities, to me, that she could do something tacky. BUT it’s still a good gig for Adam. I’m saying nothing negative against Adam at all. Good gig. Seriously. Somebody said “Oprah doesn’t do tacky” and that’s all I’m responding to. I merely said that it was a “matter of opinion”. One person’s tacky (dogs playing poker, velvet Elvis paintings and signs saying “If you tinkle when you sprinkle, be a sweetie and wipe the seatie”) are another person’s classy. I reserve the right to think that sometimes Oprah is tacky. Doesn’t mean that I think she will be tacky when Adam is on or that I think it’s a tacky gig for him. It’s a good gig for Adam. Congratulations.

  76. Why does everything have to be black or white? If Adam does a duet with SuBo, I’m sure some people will think it was lame and some would think it was sweet. If Carrie did a duet with SueBo, some people would think it was lame, some would think it was sweet. And so on down the list of every single Idol there is.

  77. Kirsten, you are the queen of disclaimers. They crack me up every time :)

  78. her fans” have pity for her. In fact, I can’t remember seeing that opinion expressed on this blog.

    I can remember it being said… lots of times, probably because I was involved in those discussions pre both Subo and the A18 idol’s album releases.

    So her fans, the ones who couldn’t wait to buy her album, actually purchased it because THEY HAD PITY ON HER? Some fans!

    Lol

    I love revisionist history, though, to be fair, maybe people just don’t remember conversations a few months down the line, especially if they weren’t that interested in them.

    For the record, there were a few (don’t know how many) Lambert fans who dismissed any and all reports of the impending Subo landslide sales as all sympathy purchases from people who felt sorry for her, despite plentiful evidence to the contrary all over the internet and on her trips to the US.

    There were some of us who pointed out that there was plenty of buzz out there just loving her voice and her performances.

    And I say that despite the fact that I do not own a Subo record, nobody I know owns a Subo record and I have no desire to purchase one.

    As I said, it hardly matters, but…

  79. PS – I certainly hope that DC never ever does a duet with Subo!

    And I very much doubt that Lambert will be doing one either.

  80. If the tweets are correct that Adam is taping his segment , then SUBO is doing hers, why is there even a discussion of them singing together. I am just happy he’s getting a chance to be on Oprah’s show. There will be quite a few other new singers beginning their career, that would love to be in his place. It’s good PR and a chance to sing to millions of potential buyers.

  81. If the tweets are correct that Adam is taping his segment , then SUBO is doing hers, why is there even a discussion of them singing together.

    Probably somebody tweeted they were doing a duet. Dueling tweeters!

    One never knows who to believe in the tweeter world. Sometimes, I feel like getting a twitter account and twitting random weird untrue things and see how far they travel. Like a message in a bottle. In a mad, mad sea. Sometimes, I think that niche is probably already too full.

  82. For the record, there were a few (don’t know how many) Lambert fans who dismissed any and all reports of the impending Subo landslide sales as all sympathy purchases from people who felt sorry for her, despite plentiful evidence to the contrary all over the internet and on her trips to the US.

    There were some of us who pointed out that there was plenty of buzz out there just loving her voice and her performances.

    I totally remember that. And not just here, everywhere. Everyone scratching their heads trying to come up with a theory that explained the unprecedented landslide sales. One of many theories floated.

    But I also think it’s revisionist history to ascribe one side of the argument to Lambert fans. I think fans of many of the Idols were scratching their heads and trying to make sense of the SuBo sales avalanche when it initially happened.

  83. From the other thread:

    ….it appears that SuBo is being taped separately from Adam. A friend who submitted a request for tickets to Adam’s taping was actually contacted by the show, but offered tickets for SuBo’s taping instead. She was told Adam was filled up, but they had SuBo tickets available.

    I think it would have been interesting to see Adam with SuBo for a few minutes. She’s obviously not his musical taste, but I’m sure he respects all artists and he loves talking to people, so I bet he would have got a kick from chatting with her.

    For the record, there were a few (don’t know how many) Lambert fans who dismissed any and all reports of the impending Subo landslide sales as all sympathy purchases from people who felt sorry for her, despite plentiful evidence to the contrary all over the internet and on her trips to the US.

    I’ll ask my question again: Did Adam fans state (after the sales totals were in) that the only reason her fans bought her cd was out of pity? Because that is the exact statement that I made my reply to. I said I never said that nor do I remember anyone’s fans making that statement. (a fan-group on a blog is considered to be more than 1 or 2 fans) Was there a consenses or even 20% of Adam fans that said what is bolded?

  84. One never knows who to believe in the tweeter world. Sometimes, I feel like getting a twitter account and twitting random weird untrue things and see how far they travel. Like a message in a bottle. In a mad, mad sea. Sometimes, I think that niche is probably already too full.

    Game of telephone!

  85. Prominent music-industry blogger Bob Lefsetz risks the wrath of Adam Lambert fans in a post about last week’s album sales figures.

    Who?

  86. Prominent music-industry blogger Bob Lefsetz risks the wrath of Adam Lambert fans in a post about last week’s album sales figures.

    I subscribe to this guy’s newsletter. He’s a really well respected guy in his field. Well known musicians often respond to his prolific commentaries.

    I would hope that Adam fans have the sense to stay the hell away from commenting or emailing him.

  87. I subscribe to this guy’s newsletter. He’s a really well respected guy in his field.

    I have never heard of him, but hey, that’s not saying much. I don’t really follow the industry.

    What is his background? Is he a musician?

    I would hope that Adam fans have the sense to STAY THE HELL AWAY from commenting or emailing him

    Seriously, since I know nothing about him, his opinion means nothing to me. Curious that he left Kris off the list. It would seem if he was discussing SuBo and Adam, he would also discuss the winner of AI.

  88. Prominent music-industry blogger Bob Lefsetz risks the wrath of Adam Lambert fans in a post about last week’s album sales figures.

    I never heard of this guy before, but I followed the link and I actually found his analysis very interesting, not just for Adam but for what he had to say about other artists like SuBo, Taylor Swift, Bieber, Shakira etc. I’d be interested to know his take on Kris and Allison.

  89. Reminder:

    I’m going through this thread for the first time today. Some of you are going to end up in moderation if you don’t stop the bickering and meta comments.

  90. The Sound and Speed event with country artists and Nascar Drivers is going on today in Nashville. Danny and Bucky Covington are at this event. Here is a pic of Danny, Bucky, along with some Nascar Drivers and other country singers posted by a reporter from ESPN:

    http://tweetphoto.com/8388345

    Also it looks like the country artists and Nascar drivers who attend this event get to speak to the media.

    Here is a pic of Bucky speaking to the press:

    http://tweetphoto.com/8390972

    And it looks like Danny has or will speak to the media as well. He’s not in this pic, but there is a sign for him in this pic. And Dale Earnhardt Jr. is sitting in Danny’s seat:

    http://tweetphoto.com/8390480

  91. Hooo boy, a Glambert/Lefsetz cage match? Time to break out the Orville Redenbacher.

  92. Prominent music-industry blogger Bob Lefsetz risks the wrath of Adam Lambert fans in a post about last week’s album sales figures.

    I’d be interested to know his take on Kris and Allison.

    Never heard of him. I guess Kris didn’t sell enough to motivate him to give an opinion. Who knows?

  93. It appears to me that Lefsetz picked and chose a few people he seemingly wanted to simply be snarky about or personal favorites he could praise for putting the first (like Zac Brown Band for example). Don’t have a clue why he didn’t talk about Kris — maybe he doesn’t think he’s worth blogging about, maybe he just picked musicians at random — who knows?

    I don’t see him treating Adam as if he won AI in this blog — he refers to Adam as “AI loser” and suggests he follow Daughtry’s path by putting the music ahead of trying to be a celebrity.

    EDIT – I’ve never even heard of this guy, so I wouldn’t really give his opinion more weight than any other music blogger’s.

  94. Never heard of him. I guess Kris didn’t sell enough to motivate him to give an opinion. Who knows?

    I don’t know, he commented about some notable failures too, like 30 Seconds to Mars (speaking of which – they only sold 130,000 albums? Didn’t they used to be big? What a flop.) Maybe Kris was neither successful enough nor enough of a failure to be worth mentioning.

  95. Seriously, since I know nothing about him, his opinion means nothing to me. Curious that he left Kris off the list. It would seem if he was discussing SuBo and Adam, he would also discuss the winner of AI.

    He’s not an AI blogger, and this wasn’t a blog about AI specifically. I actually feel a bit sick about this, as he is very highly regarded/read by many in the music industry. This could easily be picked up by the mainstream media – expect to see a few mirror articles next week.

    Adam is not my all time favorite Idol contestant, but he is one of my top 6 or 7, and I am definitely a fan. All of the hype has sometimes annoyed me, I’ll admit, but I have never blamed Adam for it, and have always wanted him to do well with his sales (just not as well as Cookie, heh – I’m not a Saint).

  96. I don’t really mind what this guy was saying. I think Adam is lucky in getting all the opportunities he is getting and I don’t think he should think twice if he deserves it or not. Time is what will tell if he deserves it or not. If he is unable to turn these opportunities into something good he will fade, if he does something good of them eventually he will be able to show that he is worth it.

    I used to think Gaga was kind of a poser with her kermit dresses and not really solid but after reading about her and seeing her perform I actually now think she is very talented. I don’t love everything she does and I don’t play her music 24/7 but I respect her as a singer and songwriter. But it took time for that to happen.

  97. Never heard of him. I guess Kris didn’t sell enough to motivate him to give an opinion.

    He commented on those that sold less. Maybe he just has nothing to say about Kris. Maybe he’s saving it for another of his newsletter. Maybe he only feels like taking on one Idol fan base a week.

  98. He’s not an AI blogger, and this wasn’t a blog about AI specifically. I actually feel a bit sick about this, as he is very highly regarded/read by many in the music industry. This could easily be picked up by the mainstream media – expect to see a few mirror articles next week.

    But on the flip side, there are many industry people who think Adam has the goods. Especially the music producers who have worked with him. Again, what is this guy’s background. Is he a “music critic” or a journalist covering the industry?

    ETA-I guess if I didn’ really think Adam’s album was solid, I would take more stock in this guy’s opinion. I’m not sure what he means about putting music first, unless of course he is talking about the AMA. He may not have liked Adam’s AMA performance. Otherwise, I can’t really think of when Adam hasn’t put music first

  99. “Hooo boy, a Glambert/Lefsetz cage match? Time to break out the Orville Redenbacher”

    .My money would be on Lefsetz – 25 years worth.

    BTW, I like the Kettle Corn flavor, thanks much. ;)

  100. Again, what is this guy’s background. Is he a “music critic” or a journalist covering the industry?

    Google to the rescue!!!!

    Wiki says: Bob Lefsetz is an American music industry figure and author of the email newsletter and blog, the Lefsetz Letter. Based in Santa Monica, California, Lefsetz worked previously as an entertainment business attorney, majordomo of Sanctuary Music’s American division and as a consultant to major record labels. Lefsetz deals with issues at the core of the music industry.

    It also says that he got into a feud with Gene Simmons last year. Here is the play-by-play from Billboard:

    Lefsetz was critical of what he saw as a solely self-promotional appearance by Simmons, who he said had little success with his label in the past.

    “Just because you’re a big musical act, that doesn’t mean you’re a decent executive, that you can run a record company,” Lefsetz wrote to the thousands who receive his regular e-mails on the music business.

    “That’s like saying a great football coach has to have been a star quarterback. They’re different skills. One that Mr. Simmons has yet to master. Sure, he made that demo tape with Van Halen, but the band ended up on Warner Brothers!”

    Gene responded by calling him a “moron”. Gene is always good for trading barbs with.

  101. This is the Bio on his site:

    Who is Bob Lefsetz
    Bob Lefsetz is the author of “The Lefsetz Letter.” Famous for being beholden to no one and speaking the truth, Lefsetz addresses the issues that are at the core of the music business: downloading, copy protection, pricing and the music itself.

    His intense brilliance captivates readers from Steven Tyler to Rick Nielsen to Bryan Adams to Quincy Jones to EVERYBODY who’s in the music business.

    Never boring, always entertaining, Bob’s insights are fueled by his stint as an entertainment business attorney, majordomo of Sanctuary Music’s American division and consultancies to major labels.

    “The Lefsetz Letter” has been publishing for over 25 years. First as hard copy, most recently as an email newsletter and now, for the first time, in blog form.

  102. I actually feel a bit sick about this, as he is very highly regarded/read by many in the music industry.

    Well, I take comfort in the fact that while he said the story overwhelmed the music, he didn’t say say the music was crap. Maybe it’s my Adam-rose-colored-glasses talking, but the fact that he suggested Adam focus on the music seems to indicate that he thinks there is at least some substance there to focus on.

    And when not just gossip sites, but sometimes Rolling Stone and E! craft whole stories out of Adam’s tweets, I think he may have a point. Unfortunately, I don’t think this is something that is completely under Adam’s control at this point.

    ETA: And if you read the whole thing, he has some rather pointed advice for other artists as well. He pulls no punches.

  103. Prominent music-industry blogger Bob Lefsetz risks the wrath of Adam Lambert fans in a post about last week’s album sales figures.

    Who?

    it says on wiki that the guy was just diagnosed with leukemia, what a drag. He doesn’t really trash Adam just states what a lot of people feel, that the “celebrity” was overshadowing the music. But I don’t really blame Adam for most of that (the AMA part of it yes). Plus Lefsetz points to Daughtry as the model for AI “losers” to follow, whatever that means. I just think it’s too simplistic – they are completely different type of artists. And Adam has been written about plenty by music critics, bloggers, etc. It’s just that he seems to be interesting for more reasons than music alone.

    I’m a huge Adam fan, but take that short commentary with a grain of salt and no offense.

  104. Again, what is this guy’s background. Is he a “music critic” or a journalist covering the industry?

    Neither, really. If I remember correctly he’s a former label exec who is more of an independent music industry commentator. He’s very well-known and very well-respected in the industry – he publishes a weekly newsletter called the Lefsetz Letter that is considered required reading for industry insiders. But what he posts is, as Cowell says, JUST an opinnnnnion. I read his blog and follow him on Twitter. I find his perspective to be thoughtful and frank, even though I don’t always agree with him.

    He does write about Idol on occasion. Here’s a piece he wrote in 2008 when David Cook won S7.

  105. Here is what the Washington Post had to say about Bob

    “one of the music industry’s most influential analysts, and certainly the loudest”

    “Lefsetz is something like Jim Cramer with a country-music obsession and a distaste for the synthetic drums of Top 40 pop. Basically, he comes off as kind of a nut. ”

    “Yet his acumen draws readers who include some of the most powerful figures in the music business. His fantastical dispatches tend to get high-profile industry insiders talking — often to Lefsetz himself.”

    All I know is that he’s one of the sources that print full SS numbers. One never knows what numbers he might reveal, but us number nuts almost hope he rants on somebody we’re following so we can get the numbers.

  106. Prominent music-industry blogger Bob Lefsetz risks the wrath of Adam Lambert fans in a post about last week’s album sales figures.

    Who?

    I don’t know who this guy is, but he is right about Susan Boyle’s narrative selling her album. The question is, how will Simon Cowell continue to promote her after people grow tired of the narrative, and if she doesn’t have a way to get her music out to the masses.

    I think Susan, Adam, and Gaga show that it’s not just about the music. There is the personal and personality side, but labels and artists can’t just rely on that. I disagree with him as far as Gaga is concerned, while I’m not her biggest fan, I do think she knows more about crafting music than people give her credit for. It’s not like she’s Katy Perry, who is just reaping the benefits from a catchy novelty song. Gaga may not show it, but I don’t think her music is as shallow as it seems.

    With Adam, I think the jury is still out on him. Sometimes I think he is focused on the wrong things. Like with Boyle, the narrative has been selling albums more than the music, but it’s so easy to trip up when that’s the case. I will say this, I do think he is lucky that there are some smart people at RCA who know how to put the focus back on the music.

    Either way, this is just my opinion.

  107. His intense brilliance captivates readers from Steven Tyler to Rick Nielsen to Bryan Adams to Quincy Jones to EVERYBODY who’s in the music business.

    Ok, that made me chuckle. The intense brillance part. I also had to chuckle about the Gene Simmons feud. But having said all that, I’m sorry to hear about his health problems.

  108. Actually if he is a music critique, why doesn’t he critique the music… he shouldn’t really care what media and others think?

  109. Well, I take comfort in the fact that while he said the story overwhelmed the music, he didn’t say say the music was crap. Maybe it’s my Adam-rose-colored-glasses talking, but the fact that he suggested Adam focus on the music seems to indicate that he thinks there is at least some substance there

    I agree totally agree with everything you said. Unfortunately I am most concerned by the “too much, too soon”, “celebrity vs. artist” spin the more sensationalistic mainstream media could put on this. The only thing the media loves more than creating an “Insta-Star” is tearing him/her down. Again, no reflection on Adam.

  110. It appears to me that Lefsetz picked and chose a few people he seemingly wanted to simply be snarky about or personal favorites he could praise for putting the first (like Zac Brown Band for example). Don’t have a clue why he didn’t talk about Kris — maybe he doesn’t think he’s worth blogging about, maybe he just picked musicians at random — who knows?

    Eh! Who cares?

    He didn’t like Lady Gaga or Paul McCartney’s efforts much either. He luuurved Taylor Swift, but disliked the Bieber boy. (You think he might have trouble with Adam fans…lol) Whatever, it’s opinions. He didn’t even mention Carrie, did he? What about the BEPs, John Mayer?

  111. saga
    01/09/2010 at 6:41 pm
    Actually if he is a music critique, why doesn’t he critique the music… he shouldn’t really care what media and others think?

    He’s not really a music critic, more of an industry critic or analyst.

  112. From USA Today Idol Chatter:

    Prominent music-industry blogger Bob Lefsetz risks the wrath of Adam Lambert fans in a post about last week’s album sales figures.

    http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2010/01/07/sales-week-ending-1310/

    Never heard about him before, still don’t care about him now. He might get some Glamberts going after him? Well first off, cool way to frame the story in advance, bro. Because eh, it’s the nature of the internet and I suspect that person knows that. Every article on like EW about not just Idols, get their fair share of chatter.

    I really don’t know what to make of the person’s comment, other than that not sure if they’re talking album or sales that they felt were overriden by the ‘celebrity first.’ I think that Adam has some good music on his album. Not groundbreaking and not the whole thing, but I think some of it’s solid enough. Especially given the typical AI time and 19 blandification contstraints.

    Guess I don’t see how this is some ZOMG moment and don’t care if this guy is “respected,” or not. It’s his opinion, I disagree with it, others probably agree with it. I don’t think it will really ultimately matter. I think his radio play is much more important for him going forward at this point. And I don’t think that will really be influenced by stuff like that. I could be all wrong of course.

    ETA: I haven’t had to edit before and not to get to blog on blog talk, but thank you mj for fixing it!

  113. He’s not really a music critic, more of an industry critic or analyst.

    Yes, but how long has Adam’s album been out? Two months? I do think Adam’s lauch was a bit rough, but he seems to be on track now. He’s doing gigs and performing on TV shows and gaining spins. It seems too soon to write the story about Adam yet. Ditto with Kris. As discussed umpteen times, this year’s crop of idols are more like new artists than AI alums. Don’t know why that is, though.

  114. Fwiw, long ago and far away, like the year he won Idol, David Cook said he had regularly read the Lefsetz Letter for years to learn about the business. I’m sorry I can’t link to a quote to that effect, but maybe others will remember it, too

  115. I’d bet my right arm Adam read it too. They are both savvy guys.

  116. Seriously, since I know nothing about him, his opinion means nothing to me. Curious that he left Kris off the list. It would seem if he was discussing SuBo and Adam, he would also discuss the winner of AI.

    He can’t mention Kris since his purpose is to talk negatively about Adam. He’s comparing Adam to people who have outsold him. Adam has sold a lot more CD’s than Kris. So if Adam has underwhelming sales then what does that say about Kris?

    Everyone has an opinion nowadays. lol There are a lot of prominent industry “insiders” who say Adam has good sales. In the end, its a wash anyways. I’m just glad he’s still getting gigs. That they start disappearing, thats when you start worrying!

  117. Thanks Kristen for pulling this Washington post quote

    “Lefsetz is something like Jim Cramer with a country-music obsession and a distaste for the synthetic drums of Top 40 pop. Basically, he comes off as kind of a nut. ”

    I think he may just not like Adam’s album if he hates top 40. But having said that, I do think Adam has had more TMZ moments than he should so I can see why that would bother some folks. But then I have to go back to the album and how solid it is and how great of a singer Adam is. So, I still can’t take this guy’s opinion to heart.

  118. Never heard about him before, still don’t care about him now. He might get some Glamberts going after him? Well first off, cool way to frame the story in advance, bro. Because eh, it’s the nature of the internet and I suspect that person knows that. Every article on like EW about not just Idols, get their fair share of chatter.

    I really don’t know what to make of the person’s comment, other than that not sure if they’re talking album or sales that they felt were overriden by the ‘celebrity first.’ I think that Adam has some good music on his album. Not groundbreaking and not the whole thing, but I think some of it’s solid enough. Especially given the typical AI time and 19 blandification contstraints.

    Guess I don’t see how this is some ZOMG moment and don’t care if this guy is “respected,” or not. It’s his opinion, I disagree with it, others probably agree with it. I don’t think it will really ultimately matter. I think his radio play is much more important for him going forward at this point. And I don’t think that will really be influenced by stuff like that. I could be all wrong of course.

    Great post, and I agree. Right now its about radio play. If he gets more radio play as it looks like he’s getting, more sales will follow.

  119. I’d bet my right arm Adam read it too. They are both savvy guys.

    Maybe Adam does read it. Who knows. But there is no new advice for Adam in Lefsetz’s blog. Adam said he was putting the focus back on the music shortly after the AMA hoopla so he reached this conclusion on his own. So if Adam read’s Lefsetz’s opinion, I suspect it will not be a revelation to him.

  120. He can’t mention Kris since his purpose is to talk negatively about Adam. He’s comparing Adam to people who have outsold him. Adam has sold a lot more CD’s than Kris. So if Adam has underwhelming sales then what does that say about Kris?

    I don’t think his purpose in that whole thing had to do with Adam. It’s an industry thing blog/newsletter, so I gather. He’s just commenting on albums sales/industry stuff.

    I wasn’t terribly impressed by his insight (GaGa for example), and that’s Adam totally aside, but hey, evidently others are.

    Eh. It will impact or it won’t. I don’t see that it’s such a big deal myself in what he said, even if I don’t wholly agree with it. Though I do actually agree and have been on record with saying that I wasn’t thrilled with how Adam was rolled out. Though some of that he brought on himself. I do think that Adam’s sales have been okay, not great, not terrible. But again I think that he will need WWFM to do well to help his album going forward, so that’s why radio play is so important. So again, don’t think that this going to impact radio play, so whatevah. I hope not at least.

    ETA: jinxed, it. Edit function is old/sucky self.

  121. Thanks Kristen for pulling this Washington post quote

    “Lefsetz is something like Jim Cramer with a country-music obsession and a distaste for the synthetic drums of Top 40 pop. Basically, he comes off as kind of a nut. ”

    That explains his view on Gaga/Swift!

  122. unique28v
    Everyone has an opinion nowadays. lol There are a lot of prominent industry “insiders” who say Adam has good sales. In the end, its a wash anyways. I’m just glad he’s still getting gigs. That they start disappearing, thats when you start worrying!

    Really?? I’ve heard lots of industry “insiders” say that Adam has a fantastic voice, that he put out a solid album, and that he has great sales “potential”, but I haven’t heard any come out and say that he has had very good sales thus far.

  123. I don’t agree with everything Lefsetz says either, but I enjoy reading his perspective. He has interesting things to say: this part below about John Mayer and Gaga is so true. JM earned major cred and male fans with the trio, the blues stuff, his live shows, all that stuff he did outside of the top 40 realm.

    For GaGa to have legs, she needs to risk. Because this paradigm has nowhere to go. Next year at the VMAs, you change outfits twenty times? In other words, maybe she has to sacrifice short term success for longevity. The same way after purveying soft rock hit after soft rock hit John Mayer formed a blues rock trio and shredded. The result may not have played well on Top Forty radio, but it did wonders for his credibility. And live business.

    Longevity– that’s what we hope for all our favorite Idols, right? I wonder if that’s the model Kelly Clarkson was kinda aiming for, when she did My December– after you establish yourself with a slew of Top 40 hits, go make a foray into potentially unprofitable area and stretch yourself artistically… but it didn’t work so well for KC, I don’t think. When I go to her concerts now, the demo is still mostly tween girls who listen to poppy pop, unlike JM concerts where you have a ton of female fans, but also a lot of just general music fans… you know what I mean?

  124. I’m not sure what he means about putting music first,

    He is probably talking about Adam being gay. A lot of people think Adam should have kept that to himself (ex. Anderson Cooper) or mention it and don’t say anything else about it (ex. Neil Patrick Harris). The Rollingstone article and the Details article was a little too much for some. Adam is open about a lot, which means there will never be any surprises on TMZ (GOOD!), but it makes some people uneasy. He’s probably talking about the AMA performance as well.

  125. Really?? I’ve heard lots of industry “insider” say that Adam has a fantastic voice, that he put out a solid album, and that he has great sales “potential”, but I haven’t heard any come out and say that he has had very good sales thus far.

    I did read that Adam exceeded expectations. Especially with his first week sales. Like all things in life, we all see things through our own eyes. One perception doesn’t make it right or wrong. Just different.

    I’m not saying Adam has great sales. But they aren’t terrible either.

  126. I don’t agree with everything Lefsetz says either, but I enjoy reading his perspective. He has interesting things to say: this part below about John Mayer and Gaga is so true. JM earned major cred and male fans with the trio, the blues stuff, his live shows, all that stuff he did outside of the top 40 realm.

    I think Gaga is doing this but in her own way, not the JM way. She is not going to form a blues band but her more acoustic performances of speechless have been impressive.

    I think there are ways to reinvent yourself in the pop genre without going country/blues…

  127. I think there are ways to reinvent yourself in the pop genre without going country/blues…

    I agree. Everyone isn’t and shouldn’t be country/blues.

  128. Adam Lambert sits down with Extra’s Terri Seymour while he was recording 5 songs for AOL Sessions to discuss Oprah Winfrey, Glee rumors, and a recent weight loss. Link

    Scott MacIntyre announced via twitter that he, along with three other American Idol alums, Brooke White, Michael Johns, and Matt Giraud, will be the scheduled entertainment at the Heroes, Stars & Idols Gala benefitting Childhelp.

  129. I’m not sure what he means about putting music first,

    He is probably talking about Adam being gay.

    I don’t think that’s it, other than that his being gay became something that got him cycles in the media talking about his being gay, which that did happen, but hey, that wasn’t in Adam’s control. Also there were things Adam more with things like the TfM video/movie or Details shoots on infotainment shows that they put him in the more media/celebrity light.

    And then ALL the crap from the AMAs where he put on a bad performance musically and then all the talk afterwards was all the shtuff about non-music stuff. And in midst of a lot of this, his first single didn’t do well (for whatever reasons) on radio/sales.

    So I can see where the whole ‘celebrity being talked about, not music,’ meme has some validity in terms of what was talked about with Adam and his having lots of ink about “celebrity,” stories. But Adam wasn’t in charge of the media’s interest or what stories they wanted to focus on.

  130. I think Gaga is doing this but in her own way, not the JM way.

    I don’t think Lefsetz meant Gaga should go and do exactly what JM did and do blues! Just that she won’t get any longevity doing the same thing, and will need to keep taking risks. And from everything I’ve seen from Gaga (I’ve seen and liked some of her acoustic stuff), I definitely think that’s exactly what she’ll do and is capable of. I’m not even a fan of most of her music but I think she’s talented.

  131. Plus Lefsetz points to Daughtry as the model for AI “losers” to follow,

    i think Jennifer Hudson did pretty well for herself as a loser. I think people need to make their own paths in life. What works for one might not work for another.

  132. But Adam wasn’t in charge of the media’s interest or what stories they wanted to focus on.

    I agree. Then Lefsetz should take it up with the media. lol

    The media does seem more intrigued with Adam than with his music, and that is a downside of becoming a “celebrity.” They’re always more interested in one’s personal life than one’s craft. As long as the narrative is positive though and not negative, I think it will help sell his music. Because unfortunately, in 2010, its not just about the music.

    Lefsetz even admits its Susan Boyle’s narrative that is helping to propel her sales. And we all know why Chris Brown didn’t sell well with this second album. its not that he’s not talented or it isn’t good, but he got so much negative press less year regarding the abuse against Rhianna that it turned a lot of people off. Adam has to hope that the buzz around him is more positive than negative. And since the AMA’s, his performances have been musically sound so that has helped as well.

  133. .Kris CD is doing ok not extremely close to reaching gold ,288,000 not what you call a longshot of not reaching it or beyond. I hope the sales pick up .Good point his single is doing good.Adam selling more than Kris will be used by some ..His sales are pretty-good . The sad truth The winner of AI has unfair standards for cd sales..Snap shot for this time only numbers change things happen..

    Suson Boyle people buying “feel sorry” come on .

  134. But Adam wasn’t in charge of the media’s interest or what stories they wanted to focus on.

    Well, he may not be in charge, but he and his management have a pretty significant role. They determine what interviews he will and won’t give, what shows he will and won’t be on, how much of his time is spent on attending celebrity events and so on and so forth. IMO, Adam and his team made a pretty conscious decision to take advantage of the publicity opportunities he had coming off the show to try to get his name out there as broadly as possible. And for all the talk of “getting back to the music” I’m not sure I see that as having changed all that much either. Oprah is not a “musicians” show, it’s a “celebrities” show. We still don’t see Adam out pounding the pavement, playing the radio shows and small gigs that are focused on getting the music in front of people. The jury is till out on whether that will end up being a good call on their part or not.

  135. I did read that Adam exceeded expectations. Especially with his first week sales. Like all things in life, we all see things through our own eyes. One perception doesn’t make it right or wrong. Just different.

    I’m not saying Adam has great sales. But they aren’t terrible either.

    do you remember the name of the article that Adam exceeded expectations andif you don’t is it just first week sales or sales in general? I’ll give him first week sales but overall sales have been kinda meh IMO and I have seen him on some hit/misses lists as a miss(perez hilton, rolling stones)so I would like to know what the studio expected from him.

  136. He can’t mention Kris since his purpose is to talk negatively about Adam. He’s comparing Adam to people who have outsold him. Adam has sold a lot more CD’s than Kris. So if Adam has underwhelming sales then what does that say about Kris?

    I really don’t think the guy’s purpose of that whole article was to talk bad about Adam, I don’t think Adam is quite that important and I think a blogger/critic/etc. can actually write something about Adam without it being him/her selling out to try to get hits on their site. He reviewed a whole list of artists! I actually really liked what he had to say and whether I agree with him or not he’s interesting and I’m going to dig back and read more. I like someone who is honest – I don’t think he gives a crap if an artist’s fans like him or not, lol. It’s his *opinion.*

    As far as Kris goes, I think it’s a big stretch to spin him being left out of that series of reviews as something negative against Kris, lol. Maybe if he’d done every other album out today and forgot Kris’…

  137. Oprah is not a “musicians” show, it’s a “celebrities” show.

    And NO IDOL, past or present would pass this opportunity up. David Cook didn’t pass on the opportunity last year, Adam isn’t going to this year.
    BTW, many musicians have been on Oprah over the past few years. I guess Carrie, Kelly, David Cook, BEPs, Beyonce, Josh Groban, Mary J Blige aren’t considered to be musicians.

    small gigs that are focused on getting the music in front of people.

    So, you actually think playing an acoustic set in front of 3, 4 or 500 people is going to have more impact than going on Oprah and singing?
    Adam will sing his current single in front of 7 to 8 million LOYAL Oprah fans. It’s hard to find anything much better than that. It would take a lot of “small gigs” to equal one Oprah appearance.

  138. I actually really liked what he had to say and whether I agree with him or not he’s interesting and I’m going to dig back and read more. I like someone who is honest – I don’t think he gives a crap if an artist’s fans like him or not, lol. It’s his *opinion.*

    I think you’ll enjoy reading Lefsetz then. He definitely has a POV about the music industry, gleaned from years of experience, but he’s got some insightful pieces in the archives, and a lot of people in the industry have been reading his analysis articles for a very long time.

    I can recommend this one, especially, for the state of the music scene.

  139. Well, he may not be in charge, but he and his management have a pretty significant role. They determine what interviews he will and won’t give, what shows he will and won’t be on, how much of his time is spent on attending celebrity events and so on and so forth. IMO, Adam and his team made a pretty conscious decision to take advantage of the publicity opportunities he had coming off the show to try to get his name out there as broadly as possible. And for all the talk of “getting back to the music” I’m not sure I see that as having changed all that much either. Oprah is not a “musicians” show, it’s a “celebrities” show. We still don’t see Adam out pounding the pavement, playing the radio shows and small gigs that are focused on getting the music in front of people. The jury is till out on whether that will end up being a good call on their part or not.

    WORD

    I think this will continue to come up until Adam and RCA start making opportunities instead of waiting for them to be dopped in their laps. After reading week after week how other idols are going out to radio stations and showing they are making the sacrifice, I have yet to see many times where Adam has done the same. As I am unsure that I haven’t missed any radio show performances-not interviews- please enlighten me if I am wrong. Part of being a longtime factor in music is to get people want to hear more from you, and if this means getting out and singing for free on a street corneer its what you do. My fear in all this is if this single doesn’t go top 10 they will have run out all of their goodwill with radio and have nothing to back it up.

  140. I think you’ll enjoy reading Lefsetz then.

    I subscribed to his letter, looking forward to reading through more. Thanks for the link! Ever since I managed my brother at the indie level, I’ve been fascinated by the music business.

  141. do you remember the name of the article that Adam exceeded expectations andif you don’t is it just first week sales or sales in general? I’ll give him first week sales but overall sales have been kinda meh IMO and I have seen him on some hit/misses lists as a miss(perez hilton, rolling stones)so I would like to know what the studio expected from him.

    I’d love to know what RCA’s expectations were before the CD actually dropped, maybe before the AMA’s. Considering they were touting it as the most anticipated album of the year that would be surprising if he exceeded expectations. No, Kris’ sales aren’t great especially for a winner but barely selling 450,000 in over a month despite much hype and being down to 30’s already isnt exactly setting the music world on fire. Kris is simply doing worse.

  142. So, you actually think playing an acoustic set in front of 3, 4 or 500 people is going to have more impact than going on Oprah and singing?

    Why does it have to be mutually exclusive? He could do Oprah and have smaller gigs, too.

  143. And NO IDOL, past or present would pass this opportunity up. David Cook didn’t pass on the opportunity last year, Adam isn’t going to this year.

    Not to get picky, but Cook was the IDOL, Adam is not the IDOL.

  144. I think this will continue to come up until Adam and RCA start making opportunities instead of waiting for them to be dopped in their laps.

    I would be surprised if they were waiting for things to drop in their lap based on Adam’s history of hard work. He’s been slogging away at this for years, probably longer than Kris and Allison combined. Remember he’s been auditioning for gigs for more than a decade. But I agree, it does seem odd that he hasn’t been hitting the radio stations more. I think there are more things going on behind the scenes than we know.

  145. I think this will continue to come up until Adam and RCA start making opportunities instead of waiting for them to be dopped in their laps. After reading week after week how other idols are going out to radio stations and showing they are making the sacrifice, I have yet to see many times where Adam has done the same. As I am unsure that I haven’t missed any radio show performances-not interviews- please enlighten me if I am wrong. Part of being a longtime factor in music is to get people want to hear more from you, and if this means getting out and singing for free on a street corneer its what you do. My fear in all this is if this single doesn’t go top 10 they will have run out all of their goodwill with radio and have nothing to back it up.

    I totally agree with these thoughts. So far, I have not seen Adam do the little things it takes to make long-lasting connections and relationships with radio. Like in any industry, you garner respect by working in the trenches, doing the heavy lifting, and reaping the rewards after you’ve put the hard work in. In this case, it means being on the road, doing studio performances, call-ins and personal appearances. I don’t know what the conscious strategy is, but appearances are everything. So far, Adam doesn’t “appear” to be paying his dues right now with radio.

    It may all work out for him, but it seems like a strange way to earn cred to me.

  146. I don’t know the radio picks which songs they play and who they interview. Since Kris is the winner of AI perhaps the radio is reaching out to him more, radio certainly played LWWD before it was popular alot more than Adam or Allison’s first singles. We really don’t know what goes on behind the scenes with Kris or Adam or Allison or Danny. If anything things have seemed to be easier for Kris with all his Jingle Balls and radio play and IMO LWWD isn’t any better than FYE or FIBOU, He did win AI, so I guess that it should be easier for Kris to get radio play.I imagine all four are working very hard to succeed, it would be ridiculous not to with the opportunities that AI is giving them.

  147. I would be surprised if they were waiting for things to drop in their lap based on Adam’s history of hard work. He’s been slogging away at this for years, probably longer than Kris and Allison combined. Remember he’s been auditioning for gigs for more than a decade.

    I’ve seen this repeated numerous times lately and I just don’t get it. Whatever Adam did before Idol has no bearing on his currrent situation. When he did his club shows and his theatrical audition no one in radio or the music industry knew or cared about the 2009 version. If I understand correctly thats’ why he went on idol in the first place, it’s not like the world was waiting with baited breathe for Adam. So in all honesty he is at the same starting line as all of the other signed idols.

  148. Whatever Adam did before Idol has no bearing on his currrent situation.

    I just took it to mean that he’s no stranger to working hard, and no doubt still is. As opposed to all of a sudden slacking off and waiting for things to fall in his lap. But I’m sure neither Kris or Allison are either.

    *sigh* It drives me crazy how everything devolves into a comparison. This is the chance of a lifetime for every single won of the Idols and I can’t imagine they’re not all working their butts off in their own way in accordance with their management’s plan to make the most of the opportunity.

  149. So in all honesty he is at the same starting line as all of the other signed idols.

    Yes, I absolutely agree. What I am saying is that Adam isn’t afraid of hard work or being in the trenches so I don’t see why he wouldn’t apply that same work ethic now. There seems to be an impression that Adam is a prima donna waiting for people to come knocking at his door. I just don’t think that is the case. I believe he knows, after years, it’s tough to make it to the top. Heck, he was only an understudy in Wicked, so I don’t think he would take anything for granted.

  150. nyc – my point was not that Adam was wrong to take these opporrtunties, my point was that it’s an active strategy that he and/or his management are pursuing.

  151. I’m really late to this thread and don’t know if this has been discussed, but I heard LLWD for the first time today on 93.3 in Tampa. This after they posted that Meet thing Kris is performing at. They did the same thing with Adam with JingleBall. Payola doesn’t exist, my ass.. lol

  152. Like in any industry, you garner respect by working in the trenches, doing the heavy lifting, and reaping the rewards after you’ve put the hard work in. In this case, it means being on the road, doing studio performances, call-ins and personal appearances. I don’t know what the conscious strategy is, but appearances are everything. So far, Adam doesn’t “appear” to be paying his dues right now with radio.

    His management seems to have its own strategy where this stuff is concerned. I don’t think all artists do studio perfomances. Some do the genre of music you can’t perform in the studio. Adam needs to have an accompanist. But even so, he probably can’t perform some of the music on his album with just a guitar player accompanying him, since it’s not that type of music.

    It seems they had the idea of persenting him as a star rather than a newcomer, someone who doesn’t have to appear at the mall or the state fair or whatever. (Seems they didn’t want to schedule him as a performer at the Jingle Balls, but then made a last-minute decision to get him added as a non-performer.) Maybe that strategy will work out and maybe not, time will have to tell.

    Back when Adam made his comments in response to Clay Aiken, and then the thing about smelly fans, I remember thinking he was pretty outspoken, and that his outspokenness might pose a problem for his management. I’ve wondered if maybe they limit some of his radio interviews, etc, because of that. One thing I like about Adam is that he doesn’t care what people think and will speak his mind, but, who knows? Maybe this is something his people want to avoid.

  153. Plus Lefsetz points to Daughtry as the model for AI “losers” to follow, whatever that means. I just think it’s too simplistic – they are completely different type of artists. And Adam has been written about plenty by music critics, bloggers, etc. It’s just that he seems to be interesting for more reasons than music alone.

    Yeah – Adam isn’t going to follow any Daughtry model. Daughtry, in part, hit it big because of the musical landscape of the time – Daughtry tapping into the Nickelback popularity, and fitting in well with radio due to that.

    Adam, otoh, suffers from trying to do something quite different on radio – as a male pop artist. The dominance of women in that genre is really quite overwhelming. I think it makes it more difficult to break into radio (at least as immediately), because radio is notoriously conservative about tackling anything new. Case in point, newbies like Kesha being more readily embraced in part because of the Gaga parallels.

    So I think Adam is a risk that was being taken, in terms of being the “next big thing” as a male pop star – a welcome change (and a needed one, I think) in music. So with some patience hopefully everything will work out ok :-)

  154. I think Adam is more into being “famous” than his music nor cares how he gets there. He completely lost me when he became friends with Perez Hilton.

  155. In this case, it means being on the road, doing studio performances, call-ins and personal appearances. I don’t know what the conscious strategy is, but appearances are everything. So far, Adam doesn’t “appear” to be paying his dues right now with radio

    I don’t understand this. Adam did a bunch of radio interviews for WWFM when they were first launching it. He was at Z100, in studio, and he showed up two consecutives nights in person at some studio in LA., along with a bunch of phone in interviews. I mean, I’m not sure what else he’s supposed to do. I know he did something with a Boston station too because I heard “this is Adam Lambert…” when I was traveling to Maine. I remember thinking of a certain MA native that used to post here. I have no doubt if RCA or 19 said call such and such station, etc. Adam wouldn’t balk. So I don’t buy the whole not paying his dues thing.

  156. I’ve wondered if maybe they limit some of his radio interviews, etc, because of that.

    LMAO on that one! Adam may be one of the most brilliant interviewers out there right now. So I don’t think they’re limiting his interviews because of that. He knows his audience, what to say, when to say it. I believe he is still learning when it comes to some of those off the cuff remarks he made soon after idol, and that he is being more careful about those now. But in terms of every interview he’s had on tv, radio, etc – they’ve all been just about perfect, even when tackling some controversial issues.

    And on the topic of radio appearances, who knows what the strategy is – but above all else, the label wants the songs played, and so they will do what they feel is best to make that happen. We only see a fraction of everything that is going on, so we can never really know for sure just what is being done to work the relationships with radio.

  157. Clay was really nasty in his blog about Adam though and should have known better than to trash another AI contestant. I think Adam was too nice if anything in his response to Clay. All the idols have put their feet in their mouths at one time or another. Alot of celebrities are outspoken,to me being outspoken can be positive, at least it seems more honest and real and less phony.

  158. It drives me crazy how everything devolves into a comparison. This is the chance of a lifetime for every single won of the Idols and I can’t imagine they’re not all working their butts off in their own way in accordance with their management’s plan to make the most of the opportunity.

    I wasn’t actually comparing any of them to each other; my comments were with regard to Adam & his management’s strategy for him. I’m interested in his team’s business strategy as I’m a business owner myself and that side of it intrigues me (how actions achieve results). My personal opinion relates to this, not to Adam himself in this regard. I’m sure he’s not sitting on his couch, watching TV, and neither am I suggesting his team wants him to do certain things that he’s refusing to do. I don’t really understand what it is they’re doing that would lead to building relationships.

  159. On a completely random note – Miley Cyrus is performing The Climb on the repeat of AI from last season – OMG she has a truly awful voice. Wow. Now that makes me depressed – she can sell a million and Allison can struggle to sell a fraction of that. :-(

  160. He completely lost me whe he became friends with Perez Hilton.

    He and Perez have lived in the same town and run in the same circles for years, and surely have a lot of mutual friends. I don’t think it’s quite accurate to classify them as “friends.” I think it would more precise to call them acquaintances.

  161. do you remember the name of the article that Adam exceeded expectations andif you don’t is it just first week sales or sales in general?

    I think it was billboard.

  162. Today was Andrew Cook’s last day on KCRadio.com and he did interviews with Michael Sarver and Kris Allen. There is a download link here:

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/k9osxh

    Michael Sarver’s interview was in the first hour of the program, While Kris didn’t come on until around 2hr 20 minute mark.

  163. The Bob Lefsetz blog didn’t bother me at all. What does bother me is Brain Mansfield trying to make it a big deal by putting it on Idol Chatter with his additonal comments to entice Adam’s fans into attacking the man. Mansfield et al. have been trying to push this theme for a couple of weeks now. When it comes to anything negative about Adam and has Brian Mansfield’s name attached to promoting the story-well, enough said.

  164. she can sell a million and Allison can struggle to sell a fraction of that

    Maybe Allison needs to wear boyshorts and hump a pole on a kids awards show. :-(

    Thankfully, I think, Allison seems to have more class than that.

  165. Adam may be one of the most brilliant interviewers out there right now.

    Adam’s fans say this all the time, and frankly, it makes me scratch my head.

    Not that he doesn’t do a good, professional-style interview, but I’ve never heard him say anything brilliant, and I’m not expecting to any time soon, based on what I’ve heard so far. I really haven’t noticed people quoting all his memorable remarks or witticisms, or repeating his entertaining stories.

    As for what I said, I do think he has a tendency to be a loose cannon, or else to say stuff, like when he talked about going down on a girl, that maybe not everyone is going to think is a good idea to say. I was just speculating, maybe I’m totally wrong.

  166. The Bob Lefsetz blog didn’t bother me at all. What does bother me is Brain Mansfield trying to make it a big deal by putting it on Idol Chatter with his additonal comments

    ITA-There is something about Adam that sticks in Mansfield’s craw. I don’t follow his blog so I don’t know if this has always been the case, but I wonder if the AMA performance is what turned him off Adam.

  167. Maybe Allison needs to wear boyshorts and hump a pole on a kids awards show.

    Miley poledanced on the teen choice awards.where’s the 1500 complaints about that? ughhhhh

  168. I’m pretty sure Mansfield’s been turned off from Adam way before the AMAs.

  169. Not that he doesn’t do a good, professional-style interview

    That’s the point. He is an ace in interviews.

  170. ITA-There is something about Adam that sticks in Mansfield’s craw.

    All of these idols have had their fair share of dissing. I’m not worried about this guy’s opinion of Adam.

  171. Sometimes, I feel like getting a twitter account and twitting random weird untrue things and see how far they travel. Like a message in a bottle.

    WELL!

    I heard that Adam cops a good old feel of Susan Boyle’s tata!

    (checks Twitter)

    No, wait, that was Pam Anderson.

    On a different note, Lefsetz is hugely read among music marketing people. His analysis is generally acerbic and no holds barred, it’s nothing personal to Adam.

    Hopefully, crazy fans will be too wise to harass him, cause that’s like mailing a letter directly to the a gazillion industry managers and analysts that dude’s fans = Claymates 2.0

    I’m certain that restraint will be the order of the day.

  172. Adam may be one of the most brilliant interviewers out there right now.

    Adam’s fans say this all the time, and frankly, it makes me scratch my head.

    Maybe you should pay closer attention.

  173. Soverymel: No problem at all.

    I actually think Brian Mansfield has given a lot of favorable press to Adam, and has given a negative opinion when he has one, not just for the sake of giving a negative opinion.. He’s done the same thing with others from what I’ve observed. I haven’t gotten the impression he has any ax to grind one way or the other.

    And yes, Miley was just awful tonight. Bleh.

  174. Not that he doesn’t do a good, professional-style interview

    That’s the point. He is an ace in interviews.

    If the person had said that, I wouldn’t have responded to it. What was said was that Adam may be one of the most brilliant interviewers out there right now. Adam can’t just be good, he has to be “brilliant.”

    My point was that when Adam makes certain statements he creates controversy. Like “I’m not a babysitter.” Whatever. I’ve mentioned a few of them so far. While this controversy might mean publicity, I’m sure there must be times his record company wishes he would just shut up.

    It was just a theory I had that if you have a person who makes controversial remarks, maybe you limit or control the number of times he does interviews, because he doesn’t always filter himself. Now, that could be totally wrong, but it’s something I’ve wondered about from time to time. That’s all I can say.

  175. And NO IDOL, past or present would pass this opportunity up. David Cook didn’t pass on the opportunity last year, Adam isn’t going to this year.

    Not to get picky, but Cook was the IDOL, Adam is not the IDOL.

    Wrong! They are all American Idols. It is the American Idol Tour with “your American Idols”. People refer to them as that all the time. Plus, Adam is MY American Idol. So he is the IDOL to me and many other people.

  176. Hopefully, crazy fans will be too wise to harass him, cause that’s like mailing a letter directly to the a gazillion industry managers and analysts that dude’s fans = Claymates 2.0

    Bob did Adam a favor and turned the comments off for that post. I haven’t checked Twitter yet but hopefully, as you say, restraint will be the order of the day both there and via email.

  177. Not that he doesn’t do a good, professional-style interview, but I’ve never heard him say anything brilliant, and I’m not expecting to any time soon, based on what I’ve heard so far.

    He’s not giving a dissertation on quantum physics, or debating the Mid-East crisis – so I don’t exactly know what kind of revelation your hoping to get from an interview.

    What he excels at, though, is an ability to effortlessly change his tone, style, language, and approach depending on the context, the interviewer, etc. He handles controversial subjects and questions in a smart manner that comes across as respectful, responsible and mature.

    But YMMV, and I’m not trying to convince you of anything.

  178. If the person had said that, I wouldn’t have responded to it. What was said was that Adam may be one of the most brilliant interviewers out there right now. Adam can’t just be good, he has to be “brilliant.”

    Maybe “brilliant” is a different expression for “ace” or “good” or “great”. Obviously he is not perfect and is learning like all of the idols.

  179. Adam can’t just be good, he has to be “brilliant.”

    Well, yeah, as an Adam fan sometimes I really wish us fans could cool it with the superlatives. It just pissed people off. I wonder if it’s partially Pavlovian training from watching the damn show. God knows with the quartet of Simon, Paula, Randy and Kara everything is either “THE BEST THING EVER IN THE WORLD” or “TOTAL AND COMPLETE INDULGENT RUBBISH.”

    Same goes for conspiracy theories possibly resulting from too much time spent in the TWOP Grassy Knoll.

    Sometimes I find Idol fandom so fascinating in just a sociological sense.

  180. I didn’t find anything wrong with the blog. I do think Adam is getting back to and has been back to the music.

  181. Not to get picky, but Cook was the IDOL, Adam is not the IDOL.

    Wrong! They are all American Idols. It is the American Idol Tour with “your American Idols”. People refer to them as that all the time. Plus, Adam is MY American Idol. So he is the IDOL to me and many other people.

    Yep – in my parlance I’ve constantly referred to anyone on the show as an “idol” – basically short for “idol contestant”. Completely agree with nyc – it’s often said “your idols” – plural. Unless there’s more than one winner (cue the cowinner debate – lol) – it can mean any of them.

  182. The fans of all the idols use “superlatives”. It’s just what happens when you like someone. imo

  183. If the person had said that, I wouldn’t have responded to it. What was said was that Adam may be one of the most brilliant interviewers out there right now. Adam can’t just be good, he has to be “brilliant.”

    Maybe “brilliant” is a different expression for “ace” or “good” or “great”. Obviously he is not perfect and is learning like all of the idols.

    JFC, people – these superlatives are all subjective. How much of this is written everyday about someone else, be they Cook fans gushing about Cook’s “brilliant” vocals, or Archies, or whatever. I can say he is a brilliant interviewer, and considering how many really crappy interviewers there are out there, that is my opinion.

    ETA: or what iluvai said, thank you.

  184. Hopefully, crazy fans will be too wise to harass him, cause that’s like mailing a letter directly to the a gazillion industry managers and analysts that dude’s fans = Claymates 2.0

    Oy. Let’s hope he doesn’t have twitter. I saw some tweets that went to the NFL trying to lobby for Adam singing at the Super Bowl. Just. no. This type of thing not only hurts Adam but hurts the whole Idol franchise and every Idol alum out there fighting for credibility.

    Ross, I follow your points regarding the interviews, and I think they’re good ones. I agree with you.

    ETA: Just saw these comments:

    “Same goes for conspiracy theories possibly resulting from too much time spent in the TWOP Grassy Knoll.

    Sometimes I find Idol fandom so fascinating in just a sociological sense.”

    I SO agree!

  185. JFC, people – these superlatives are all subjective. How much of this is written everyday about someone else, be they Cook fans gushing about Cook’s “brilliant” vocals, or Archies, or whatever. I can say he is a brilliant interviewer, and considering how many really crappy interviewers there are out there, that is my opinion.

    Point taken. It’s true that Adam fans aren’t the only ones to use superlatives when talking about their fave. Just the nature of being an invested fan, I guess.

    I wonder if that would especially be the case if you went back and looked at comments on Cook and Archie on MJ’s last year. This is my first year as more than a casual watcher. And LOL at me last year thinking that 10 minutes of voting for Cook after the finale was a serious commitment to supporting my fave, hee.

  186. Sometimes I find Idol fandom so fascinating in just a sociological sense.

    I know, right? If I had to write a term paper, I would find it a compelling topic!

  187. This is my first year as more than a casual watcher. And LOL at me last year thinking that 10 minutes of voting for Cook after the finale was a serious commitment to supporting my fave, hee.

    I know! I’m not sure I even voted, I think I did but I don’t remember. I do remember screaming and hollering when he won though! lol

  188. I saw some tweets that went to the NFL trying to lobby for Adam singing at the Super Bowl. Just. no. This type of thing not only hurts Adam but hurts the whole Idol franchise and every Idol alum out there fighting for credibility.

    Yes, instead of pestering people they should join us here at this blog!!!

  189. Yes, instead of pestering people they should join us here at this blog!!

    Truly! It’s much more convenient to pester each other right here. Look, I’m doing it now!

  190. I’ve wondered if maybe they limit some of his radio interviews, etc, because of that. One thing I like about Adam is that he doesn’t care what people think and will speak his mind, but, who knows? Maybe this is something his people want to avoid.

    I’m confused. I’ve listened to many, many radio interviews. Adam also did Alexa Chung, Jim C., Michael Slezak, Barbara Walters, 20/20, Rolling Stone, Out Magazine, People, Details, The View, The Early Show, Ellen, Leno,etc. I just read a very detailed interview that was done to help promote the cd release in Asia. Adam also has an AOL Sessions interview, Fuse interview, and Oprah coming up.
    Adam always gives 100% in interviews and answers every question fully and enthusiastically. He respects his interviewer, even if he has been asked the same question 100 times. ( He seems to understand that this is the first time THEY are asking him a particular question.)

    There are several IDOLS this year who could use some help with their interview skills. I’m thinking Adam is a joy to interview. Watch the interviewer in these shows and interviews I’ve listed. Listen to the djs on the radio interviews. They are all taken with Adam, because HE RESPECTS THEM. He makes their job easier by actively listening and responding to their questions.

  191. I know, right? If I had to write a term paper, I would find it a compelling topic!

    Seriously! Heck, someone could write a freakin dissertation on it. I wonder if they have. I would so read that shit.

    I know! I’m not sure I even voted, I think I did but I don’t remember. I do remember screaming and hollering when he won though! lol

    LOL that’s awesome. I wasn’t invested enough for screaming, but I did smile happily at my TV, it was such a lovely moment. Although I still would’ve been cool if Archie had won, he’s so adorable he’s impossible to hate on. At least for me.

  192. Adam always gives 100% in interviews and answers every question fully and enthusiastically. He respects his interviewer, even if he has been asked the same question 100 times. ( He seems to understand that this is the first time THEY are asking him a particular question.)

    There are several IDOLS this year who could use some help with their interview skills. I’m thinking Adam is a joy to interview. Watch the interviewer in these shows and interviews I’ve listed. Listen to the djs on the radio interviews. They are all taken with Adam, because HE RESPECTS THEM. He makes their job easier by actively listening and responding to their questions.

    If you read my original post, I was not questioning Adam’s interview skills.

    All I said was that because he has a tendency to say controversial things — do you disagree with that? — maybe that’s a reason he doesn’t do as much radio promo, etc. The others don’t say anything controversial and maybe that’s why they do more.

    Well, yeah, as an Adam fan sometimes I really wish us fans could cool it with the superlatives. It just pissed people off. I wonder if it’s partially Pavlovian training from watching the damn show. God knows with the quartet of Simon, Paula, Randy and Kara everything is either “THE BEST THING EVER IN THE WORLD” or “TOTAL AND COMPLETE INDULGENT RUBBISH.”

    I like what you say!

    I totally agree fans tend to talk like that. I also think that when you’re a fan, the most mundane things your idol says can seem like gems of brilliance. It’s often in the eyes of the beholder.

    Anyway we were talking a bit about marketing strategies so I was just throwing some ideas out there. Definitely no offence intended.

  193. Truly! It’s much more convenient to pester each other right here. Look, I’m doing it now!

    Ha! :)

  194. I totally agree fans tend to talk like that. I also think that when you’re a fan, the most mundane things your idol says can seem like gems of brilliance. It’s often in the eyes of the beholder.

    So true!!!! Like every parent thinks their baby is “the most beautiful baby in the world”. Which of course they are!!!! Sorry for the silly example, but as a mom I relate to that.

  195. LOL that’s awesome. I wasn’t invested enough for screaming, but I did smile happily at my TV, it was such a lovely moment. Although I still would’ve been cool if Archie had won, he’s so adorable he’s impossible to hate on. At least for me.

    Yes, I screamed. lol

    And yes, Archie is adorable and very talented!

  196. I love how Adam’s fans come to his defense. It tells me how passionate and loyal they are and that no matter what happens to Adam, he will always have loyal fans that will help keep his career going. To to be honest I don’t feel like Adam fans need to explain or defend him. I don’t think Adam gives a damn about Brian Mansfield or Lefsetz or anyone else opinions when it comes to his career. In real life when people have negative things to say to me, I just turn my back and walk away. Simple

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2009/06/67887533/1

    I have trust in Adam/RCA/19 that they know what is best for Adam.
    To compare and try to figure out what is going on with Adam is wishful thinking. Unless you have inside knowledge to even suggest that RCA is somehow disappointed in any way is more wishful thinking. As a consumer I don’t really care what the Mansfields of the world have to say, if I like something I just buy it. 433,000 people who purchased Adam CD didn’t care what Mansfield or anyone else had to say neither.
    900,000 FYE CD were shipped out, so Adam will get to platinum, trust me RCA will make sure that happens. He may not get there as fast as say Cook did, but Cook did not get there as fast as Daughtry. The Music
    environment is just not the same any more. As for the media hype. The media likes to make stars and likes to knock them down to. Right now Adam is the media darling so unless he commits a crime that won’t change. The media does not care about who sold how many gazillion CDs they only are interested in people who are interesting. To some that is not a good thing to others any publicity is good publicity because it keeps your name in the public conscious. Lady GaGa, Britney, Madonna, Eminen, John Mayers has all gotten many negative press but that has not stop them for selling CDs. People make up their own minds. The media may knock Adam down a peg or two at some point but as long as he is considered interesting they won’t step on him like a bug. Even if Adam sells a gazillion CDs the media will still hound him, they pick their chosen few and Adam is just starting his career so there is no way in hell the media is not going to give him a few years to live up to the hype that they are wishing for.

  197. He may not get there as fast as say Cook did,

    Adam didn’t win season 8. There are different expectations.

    maybe that’s a reason he doesn’t do as much radio promo,

    So RCA is trying to keep Adam from saying anything too controversial on radio, but they have no problems with him giving pages and pages of magazine interviews. Wouldn’t they have also been worried about Barbara Walters, The View, Ellen, Leno, The Early Show, etc? Wouldn’t they be too concerned to let him go on Oprah and talk in front of 7 or 8 million people. But, they are worried about a few 5 minute interviews on radio stations. Really?

  198. ross
    I totally agree fans tend to talk like that. I also think that when you’re a fan, the most mundane things your idol says can seem like gems of brilliance. It’s often in the eyes of the beholder.

    Heh, I fully cop to that being true! For me, half the fun of an Adam interview sometimes is the adorkable faces that he makes. And I’m pretty sure that’s completely lost on those that aren’t his fans.

    I think nyc hit on something I agree with, too. Adam is very much an active listener. He often starts his answer with a validation of the interviewer’s question or uses the phrasing of interviewer in his answer. If the interview is on video, you often see him mirroring the body language of the person he’s talking to. And yes nyc he definitely seems to make a real effort to treat each question like it’s the first time he’s heard it, varying his words at least slightly, and frequently the tone or emphasis, as opposed to repeating a soundbite verbatim like politicians do. Sometimes you do see cracks in these efforts when he’s tired or stressed or in a hurry, for example maybe it’s just me but I thought I sensed a mental gritting of teeth on his part during some of the Gridlock red carpet questions.

    But I wouldn’t completely rule out a member or two of his management team being at least sekritly on board with your theory ross. Even as a complete stan, Adam sometimes makes me white knuckled watching or reading his anything goes attitude during some interviews. And my paycheck doesn’t depend on him. But despite the fact that sometimes I think he might have been better off being circumspect about some of those topics, I can’t deny that it’s hella entertaining wondering what the hell he’s gonna say next.

  199. The media likes to make stars and likes to knock them down to.

    It sure seems like it!

  200. do you remember the name of the article that Adam exceeded expectations andif you don’t is it just first week sales or sales in general?

    I remember it but it didn’t say quite what the poster is saying it did. The article was the billboard.biz 1 day sales projection and it said that Adam was exceeding label expectations for the 1st week when he was expected to sell 225k. He trended down after that and sold 198k so it’s unknown if that was still above expectations. Even if it ended up below expectations it couldn’t have been by much but I’d guess it about met expectations.

    Billboard.biz

    Meanwhile, Adam Lambert’s “For Your Entertainment” is also outperforming sales expectations, despite—or perhaps because of—the risque performance he turned in at the American Music Awards on Sunday, Nov. 22. Label and distribution sources project that “For Your Entertainment” could sell about 225,000 units in its first week.

  201. ha at Kellys twitter, looks at bit of a mess.
    She replied to a couple people.

  202. The media likes to make stars and likes to knock them down to.

    It sure seems like it!

    So true. That’s why I was actually shocked that the majority of the media didn’t jump on the tearing down train after the AMAs. I think maybe they might have, but the ABC cancellations shifted the story. Or maybe not, maybe it’s too soon in their love affair with him to break up, LOL. It wouldn’t surprise me if it happened eventually, if only because the media ALSO loves a good redemption arc after they’ve finished doing their tearing down. /cynical

  203. The others don’t say anything controversial and maybe that’s why they do more.

    The others? Who? The only IDOL from this season who has done more radio interviews is Kris. He DID win.
    LLWD has been out for 7 more weeks than WWFM. Shouldn’t he be doing more and getting more press and radio interviews? He is the winner of season 8.
    (Adam HAS had more magazine, newspaper and tv interviews. All of those take time and effort, also.)

  204. thanks ksgirlfordc for the link to those snippets of Extreme Makeover. LOL on David playing soccer in galoshes and pretend passing out at the end. what a goof.

  205. nyc
    01/09/2010 at 11:34 pm

    He may not get there as fast as say Cook did,

    Adam didn’t win season 8. There are different expectations.

    maybe that’s a reason he doesn’t do as much radio promo,

    ^^^oh, I totally agree with this, but the reason why I said Cook is because when it comes to Adam it seems like Cook is the one that keeps coming up in trying to compare the two, not Kris, not Archie, not Blake or Daughtry but Cook. Cook may have gotten his platinum CD and a hit single platinum with two top 40 hits but he hasn’t made a dent in the pop music which is what Adam currently is in. He has only been around for a year I don’t see him as having Adam be the one to strife to be.

  206. ksgirlfordc thanks for that link. That footage was completely awesome. Looks like he’ll be a really big part of the show. I cannot wait for tomorrow night!

  207. The others? Who?

    lol, I have no idea, nyc. You’re the one who mentioned Adam vs. “the other idols” in your earlier post. I was just trying to respond to that, I guess. I guess I just meant most of the other idols who do interviews don’t tend not to stir things up, and sometimes he does. I’m not judging them or Adam, I was just speculating on how this relates to how his team handles his appearances and interviews. And it’s possible it doesn’t have any effect at all. I really don’t know.

  208. ksgirlfordc thanks for that link. That footage was completely awesome. Looks like he’ll be a really big part of the show. I cannot wait for tomorrow night!

    Yes, thank you!! So is the fact that I couldn’t hold it together during that 8 minute snippet any indication of what tomorrow night will be like?

  209. thanks for that Extreme Home Makeover promo! I cannot wait to see David Cook on TV tomorrow night!!

  210. thanks for that Extreme Home Makeover promo! I cannot wait to see David Cook on TV tomorrow night!!

    I like the Idols give back. They should do that again.

  211. I like the Idols give back. They should do that again.

    They’re doing Idol Gives Back again this year. It’s scheduled for April 21st, 2010 (I think that’s Top 7 results night).

  212. ross:
    Others don’t stir things up? Like Danny? LOL!
    If an Idol ever needed a PR person…

    When you don’t say much, there isn’t as much to even be controversial. I guess it’s safe, but I find it boring.

    I agree that Adam sometimes says too much, but I SO MUCH PREFER THAT over the same one or two sentence answers muttered over and over.

    Along with a few controversial statements, fans have received mountains of information and sometimes soul-bearing moments. I’ll take a few lines of controversy in exchange for the honest and in-depth answers we’ve received along the way.

    I just find honesty and verbal intelligence to be very sexy qualities in a man.

  213. Well, not that anyone cares what i think, but here we go:

    1. Adam is working hard. His label just has a different strategy. Jive is the one known for heavy radio touring, not RCA. Besides, he’s trying to become a GaGa style pop star. So a different approach is needed.

    2. All Lefsetz really said was that the hype is outshining the music right now. Who didn’t already know that? I think he’s right. Even GaGa had a hit song first. Maybe the music will eventually catch up to the celebrity. maybe not. We’ll see.

    3. When Lefsetz refrences Daughtry, I think he was just saying put out music and build it from there. Get known for the songs first.

    4. Speaking of Gaga, he has a good point. She will have do show something different next time I think,or he schtick could get old.But she is talented, so I think she can pull it off.

  214. I just find honesty and verbal intelligence to be very sexy qualities in a man.

    And that is why I luv Cookie!!!!!!

  215. They’re doing Idol Gives Back again this year. It’s scheduled for April 21st, 2010 (I think that’s Top 7 results night).

    That’s nice to hear! Thanks for the info!

  216. I just find honesty and verbal intelligence to be very sexy qualities in a man.

    And that is why I luv Cookie!!!!!!

    Agreed, I think Cook gives great interview too!

  217. Adam is working hard. His label just has a different strategy. Jive is the one known for heavy radio touring, not RCA. Besides, he’s trying to become a GaGa style pop star. So a different approach is needed.

    I agree.

  218. And that is why I luv Cookie!!!!!!

    Agreed, I think Cook gives great interview too!

    ITA! I would imagine David and Adam would both have extremely high verbal IQs. It’s a joy to hear or read interviews from them.

  219. ITA! I would imagine David and Adam would both have extremely high verbal IQs. It’s a joy to hear or read interviews from them

    .

    I so agree. :)

  220. I personally would love it if RCA gave Adam a more Kris approach and gave him a ton of “smaller” gigs. Things like that electronics convention seem cool. And all the radio jingle balls etc.

    I find it weird how much Extra and ET and Access Hollywood cover Adam’s every move. He’s doing AOL Sessions, so what? A lot of people do those. Why does Extra have to cover that, and also the fact he’s doing Oprah? The media is obsessed with him. I don’t think Adam’s trying to stoke that fire, it just happens…organically. He’s an organic celebrity LOL.

    eta: That guy’s newsletter didn’t bother me. He’s entitled to his analysis. He’s partly right that Adam’s more known for being Adam rather than performing, and that’s why I hope that Adam actually gets to tours. It’s like they’re sitting on him, barely letting him perform.

    Watching SNL – there was a commercial for Ke$ha’s album – nicely done. I mention it only because she’s RCA. I guess they don’t do commercials for idols since they can “advertise” them via AI?

  221. Adam is working hard. His label just has a different strategy. Jive is the one known for heavy radio touring, not RCA. Besides, he’s trying to become a GaGa style pop star. So a different approach is needed.

    I agree.

    Agreed. Adam could show up with a piano accompanist and do 2 songs/2 covers at small gigs. But RCA is not selling him as the cabaret or acoustic guy. I do believe a different approach is being used.

    Question: Did David Cook do the same type of gigs that Kris is doing? Did he do acoustic gigs for free or a $10 cover charge? Were most his gigs acoustic or with a band? Did he only do 3 or 4 songs? When did his tour start?
    I’m wondering how RCA handled things last year with Cook?

  222. From the Idol Chatter posted above:

    David says he’s not to the point of choosing a producer for his next album, but “if somebody called tomorrow, and said Brian Eno wants to [produce] your record, I’d be like, yeah, okay!”

    NO, NO, NO, David, stay away fro the prog rock!! I love Brian Eno, but I don’t need David Cook to sound like Coldplay or U2. If I got to choose his producer, I’d pick Butch Vig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butch_Vig), who produced Nirvana’s Nevermind and Green Day’s 21st Century Breakdown, along with a couple of new Foo Fighters songs for their greatest hits album.

  223. Question: Did David Cook do the same type of gigs that Kris is doing? Did he do acoustic gigs for free or a $10 cover charge? Where most his gigs acoustic or with a band? Did he only do 2 or 3 songs? When did his tour start?

    No, he didn’t. In January he played for the troops and then his tour started in February.
    During the tour he visited radio stations where he’d play 2/3 acoustic songs, and Neal (his guitarist) would be with him.

  224. NO, NO, NO, David, stay away fro the prog rock!! I love Brian Eno, but I don’t need David Cook to sound like Coldplay or U2.

    Hee. Why do I get the feeling that no matter who David chooses as his producer, half the fandom will squee in delight and the other half will recoil in horror. He’s just not going to satisfy everyone. I hope, whoever it is, is someone Dave is happy with, and the final result will be David sounding just like David.

  225. 4. Speaking of Gaga, he has a good point. She will have do show something different next time I think,or he schtick could get old.But she is talented, so I think she can pull it off.

    Yep, this is what I read about Gaga. I don’t think he said anything at all about her not having musical chops, but the approach wasn’t what he thought would gain credibility.

    Although, we’ll see. I guess my approach to what will happen is different than tinawina’s (op) because I’ve never been impressed w/ her ott schtick. That’s just me.

    Question: Did David Cook do the same type of gigs that Kris is doing? Did he do acoustic gigs for free or a $10 cover charge? Where most his gigs acoustic or with a band? Did he only do 2 or 3 songs? When did his tour start?

    Why does that matter? David Cook and Kris Allen are two different people. I think Kris is going to have to work a lot harder to gain what DC has. DC, imo, broke the mold of a typical AI winner so w/ Kris it is been there, done that. However, I believe Kris has what it takes to continue to grow in the industry. He’s going to work his bums off! I’m proud of both of them! Of course, JMO!

  226. Question: Did David Cook do the same type of gigs that Kris is doing? Did he do acoustic gigs for free or a $10 cover charge? Where most his gigs acoustic or with a band? Did he only do 2 or 3 songs? When did his tour start?

    No, he didn’t. In January he played for the troops and then his tour started in February.

    So, these acoustic gigs could be a Jive thing. Does anyone else think they are cheaping it up? (Jive) Why not send the whole band?

    I’ve wondered if financial reasons are behind the delay in releasing the AOL sessions. The RCA peeps don’t seem to have any trouble getting their sessions on the AOL page.

  227. Why does that matter? David Cook and Kris Allen are two different people.

    I’m not the original commenter, but I don’t think it does matter. I think the thought behind it is the theory that maybe RCA’s strategy for Adam is partially about Adam, but also partially just the way RCA does business, versus Jive. I think that’s the reason they were asking, to find out from any people here who followed things closely last year if the album promo strategy of Cook before touring was similar to the one being used for Adam.

  228. Why does that matter?

    Because I was wondering if there is indeed a difference in how RCA and Jive handle things. Read several posts back. We are discussing if different labels tend to take different approaches with the AI artists they sign.

    soverymel: Exactly, and thank you.

  229. soverymel: Exactly, and thank you.

    LOL I’m glad I read your mind correctly. *smile*

  230. nyc, I can’t speak for cookcricket but re: David “breaking the mold,” I think in one way it was the fact they allowed him way more input in his album-making than they ever had for any previous Idol winner’s debut. He co-wrote most of the songs, got to include a pre-Idol track, even got to do part of the graphic design. Perhaps Kris was able to have more of a say in those things and have more control of his record because Cook was able to first.

    And, whoa, I suddenly can’t find nyc’s comment I was replying to…

  231. It only seems like it is being cheapened up because it is for Kris, if it was Adam it would be the best thing ever.. Kris’s fans & non-AI fans are getting a chance to see him before his official concert tour starts. I am not sure how that can be bad. He has had some pretty good gigs (televised NYE, Sony booth, Z100 jingle ball, etc) and then had some smaller gigs setup in the same location. Kris is out there hitting the road and it seems to work for him. Adam is being marketed differently and that seems to be working for him. As others have said, they are two different type of artists and they will be marketed differently.

  232. http://www.tvgrapevine.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5985:extreme-makeover-home-edition-the-cowan-family&catid=114:extreme-makeover-home-edition.

    OK, I love that – thank you. I don’t know why I find soccer playing David in his galoshes so adorable but… well, it’s adorable. I have to show that to my boys, that’s my sport, and they both play (for now, my 6 yr old wants to try football). They’d get a kick out of it. Oh, and as far as needing Kleenex? Psssh, I already got teared up for *that*, I’m not going to survive the whole show. It always makes me cry anyway. What can I say, I’m a crier (I can certainly appreciate David’s crier-ness ’cause I’m right there with him).

    Why do I get the feeling that no matter who David chooses as his producer, half the fandom will squee in delight and the other half will recoil in horror.

    Haha, I’m sure that will happen. It’s always fun whenever he does *anything* to see everyone freak out, for better for for worse.

  233. Question: Did David Cook do the same type of gigs that Kris is doing? Did he do acoustic gigs for free or a $10 cover charge? Where most his gigs acoustic or with a band? Did he only do 2 or 3 songs? When did his tour start?
    I’m wondering how RCA handled things last year with Cook?

    nyc, I’ll try going backwards – David’s Declaration Tour started February 13th, 2009 and ended on December 1st.
    For the rest of your questions, I’ll skim the list.

    Most of David’s stuff has been with the band – but for acoustic, he always takes Neal…although those were for radio stations, in house.

    There was a lot of stuff prior to the album dropping on November 18th, afterwards, he did three Jingle Ball type shows before Christmas with the band, taped the Disney Christmas thing and did the Rockefeller Tree Lighting, (2 songs acoustic with Neal) a ton of radio, in person and by phone, VH1 and ET, AMA Red Carpet, the round of TV shows, NYE in Vegas, Kimmel after the New Year on 1/13 was five songs, two shown on TV, then he and the boys went to Kuwait and Iraq on January 19th, for two weeks – and came back and jumped into the Declaration Tour. There were lots of radio visits and print stuff just prior to the kick off in Tallahassee as well, according to my records.

    As far as acoustic performances, they have been sprinkled thru-out the whole tour, for radio station Meet & Greets and some appearances, like the Acoustic Cafe, and in Manilla.

    I’m not too familiar with Kris’s schedule – it seems there are points of similarity but there are also other conditions operating, like the USO Tour for 2 weeks, or the tour start date for Kris, which I also don’t know, that make drawing parallels difficult.

    Hope that helps?

  234. I don’t understand the “nickelbacks wanna be” reference. They don’t sound anything like David Cook to my ear.

  235. So, these acoustic gigs could be a Jive thing. Does anyone else think they are cheaping it up? (Jive) Why not send the whole band?

    Jive might be cheap, but that makes them smart, in the current economic climate. If Kris can accompany himself and only needs one other person for backup/harmonies, then why not just send him and Cale to a show, rather than the whole band. (I do love the band, but I can see how it just wouldn’t be worth it to send all of them if they were just going to perform in a little radio station lounge, like Kris and Cale did yesterday afternoon.) And since BB King’s had already seen Kris and his full band perform a little over a week ago, then maybe it was smart on Jive’s part to have Kris show a different side last night by going acoustic. Doing so showed that Kris is versatile and flexible. I think it makes a lot of sense to have the full band for the “bigger” shows (such as the upcoming concerts in the Philippines) and just Kris and Cale for the smaller ones.

  236. And, whoa, I suddenly can’t find nyc’s comment I was replying to…

    I decided that the poster that I was asking the question to might take my question as a slam or something. (Since they took my original question about Cook to be some kind of back-handed slam.) So, I deleted it.

    The truth is I really enjoyed season 7, but due to a personal nightmare of a summer I lost touch with all things idol after the final that year. I wished I had followed that tour and that season’s idols because I really enjoyed so many of the contestants that year.

    I also admire and enjoy David Cook’s personality and music.

    efm: I wouldn’t think BB Kings would be the same crowd at all. Unless the same fans are following Kris around. Also, I would have thought a full band would have been more impressive at the convention. I didn’t get that it was a “little show”. I can understand doing an acoustic song at a radio statio, but not at a convention. It’s just my opinion, but it seems like Jive is cheaping it up.

    Incipit: Thank you for your answer. I was just curious and I enjoyed reading your post.

  237. It only seems like it is being cheapened up because it is for Kris, if it was Adam it would be the best thing ever

    Sometimes comments about the strategy being used for Kris do come off as dismissive, but I don’t agree with that at all. I’m with you, I think there are simply two different strategies at play, and neither one is “better” they are just different.

    I love Kris, and it’s awesome to have so many different performances of his songs at our fingertips on youtube. I will completely cop to sometimes being a little jealous that I don’t get the same opportunity to wallow in live performances with Adam. That’s why although I thought losing the NYRE gig hurt Adam a little bit in the short term, I was totally selfishly psyched about Gridlock. LOL sorry bout yer gig Adam, but yay for ME!

  238. Incipit

    Hope that helps?

    Thanks for the info, that’s terrific! Although, as for helping … well, it does in the sense that you really can’t draw a completely straight line between RCA strategy and Jive strategy by using last year as an example. I’m pretty much left crossing my fingers and hoping Jive and RCA know what they’re doing. Altho LOL not that I could do a damn thing about it if I really thought they were fucking up. I keep having to remind myself I am not a record company executive.

  239. sweetni4
    01/10/2010 at 1:58 am
    DC, imo, broke the mold of a typical AI winner so w/ Kris it is been there, done that.

    I don’t understand this. Can you explain?

    Really??? Yes, Please explain. Hyperbole much? If this was true, every household would know who Cook is and that is far from reality. Cook is a pop/rocker not a rockstar because the Rock and Indie community does not knowledge him. They turn up their noses at all the nickelbacks wanna be.

    Not so sure that Cook wants to be Nickleback, lol! And quite a few households do own his music – 1.3 million albums, and 2.75 million singles so far – so it’s a start. I also concur with a previous poster that this statement was more in reference to how Cook has helped change the Idol game, not that he is THE BEST IDOL EVER, OMG! Like that person said, Cook (and Kris in his footsteps) will make a good chunk more per sale of their AI album, just based on their cowrite royalties. That is huge!

  240. and Kris in his footsteps) will make a good chunk more per sale of their AI album,

    Not if his sales don’t pick up. The script is making some nice pocket change off LLWD though!

  241. Jive might be cheap, but that makes them smart, in the current economic climate. If Kris can accompany himself and only needs one other person for backup/harmonies, then why not just send him and Cale to a show, rather than the whole band. (I do love the band, but I can see how it just wouldn’t be worth it to send all of them if they were just going to perform in a little radio station lounge, like Kris and Cale did yesterday afternoon.)

    I think another thing is that Kris did acoustic performances on Idol, sometimes with just him and his guitar, and they were very well received. Now, I personally prefer Kris with his full band, but I appreciate that he can do both well. He can rock it out with a full band, and he can do a sensitive, intimate acoustic performance with just his guitar and Cale.

  242. The script is making some nice pocket change off LLWD though!

    As to this, wasn’t there a law that was passed recently that basically makes it such that the performer will be paid royalties every time a song is played on the radio, whereas previously only the writer would get paid. Ring any bells?

  243. I think another thing is that Kris did acoustic performances on Idol, sometimes with just him and his guitar, and they were very well received

    Maybe Jive has changed courses and they are going to start presenting him this way. If so, it will be different from his album. Perhaps this is the road they should have taken in the first place. It seems to be a strange decision by Jive at this point.
    I question a lot of the things both RCA and Jive has done. But hey, it’s their money so it’s their decisions.

  244. efm: I wouldn’t think BB Kings would be the same crowd at all. Unless the same fans are following Kris around. Also, I would have thought a full band would have been more impressive at the convention. I didn’t get that it was a “little show”. I can understand doing an acoustic song at a radio statio, but not at a covention. It seemed cheap to me.

    The crowd at BB King’s might not have been the same, but the club bookers and perhaps some of the media people might have been the same, so it was good for Kris to show another side of himself, so that people who might be able to help him get more gigs/publicity can see his versatility and musicianship.
    The CES convention didn’t seem that different from the Ford event that Kris and Adam sang at last summer. At Ford Day, it was enough just to have Kris and the AI guitarist for accompaniment, so I don’t see why it was bad that there were just two guitars for accompaniment at CES.
    I’ve already conceded that Jive might be cheap; all I’m saying is that Jive’s frugality isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

  245. suenigma
    01/10/2010 at 2:16 am

    Not so sure that Cook wants to be Nickleback, lol! And quite a few households do own his music – 1.3 million albums, and 2.75 million singles so far – so it’s a start. I also concur with a previous poster that this statement was more in reference to how Cook has helped change the Idol game, not that he is THE BEST IDOL EVER, OMG! Like that person said, Cook (and Kris in his footsteps) will make a good chunk more per sale of their AI album, just based on their cowrite royalties. That is huge!

    ^^^ I like Cook and Kris but my Idol is Adam.I think all 3 of these guys are talented guys and they will all be around for a while. With David and Kris albums I was not happy with them. With Adams album it was more eclectic so I haven’t gotten bored with it yet, but that is just my opinion. I am sure when they make their second album it will be much better because second albums usually are. As for Adam my hope is he would put out a Rock album because from his pre idol days I believe it is his true calling and when he is at his best. Also Adam cowrote at least 4 songs on his album.

  246. sweetni4

    Yeah, I really like all three of these guys too, and each of their albums has something to offer, IMO. I just happen to love Cook’s album the best. Kris’ album is probably a little closer to my tastes than Adam’s is, but I love, love, love Adam’s voice, and am looking forward to his next album. Hopefully it will be more my cup of tea. It’s great that Adam had those co-writes, but it is also important to acknowledge Cook’s contribution to him having that opportunity. Again, JMO.

  247. I lost touch with all things idol after the final that year. I wished I had followed that tour and that season’s idols because I really enjoyed so many of the contestants that year.

    Sorry to read of your bad summer, I hope you got to enjoy the idols from this past season. I see what you were trying to figure out – but most of the data just doesn’t line up.

    Archie’s fans last year often commented on Jive’s frugality, with the same 50/50 feeling of whether that was a good thing or a bad thing…but as soverymel says – you just can’t draw a straight line between the labels and the artists and between seasons – too many variables.

    Now, as far as the labels making whack choices? I think every fan of every idol has thought that at some point – cold comfort, I’m sure. ;)

  248. It’s just my opinion, but it seems like Jive is cheaping it up.

    I think the word you’re looking for is ‘cheapening’ it up. Sorry I didn’t read your entire question, but I see nothing wrong with acoustic anything. In fact in a smaller venue is something I might prefer.

    If Jive has decided to cut corners regarding the BB King and the convention that’s okay because Kris can handle that happening.

    Kris and Adam are two different artists. You don’t have to prove that one label is doing the ‘right’ thing and the other isn’t to say that one better than the other.

    P.S. I’m sorry you had a rough summer in 2009. I hope things are going better for you.

    edited: sorry grammatical problems-hope I caught them all.

  249. Sometimes it’s just easier to travel with two instead of five. Maybe Sony only paid enough for the pair. I mean, they’re the ones who paid for this gig (CES), not Jive. Maybe somebody’s wife saw the YT videos of the acoustic sets, and suggested it. Who cares, since either permutation sounds good.

    The BB Kings show was a pick up since they were already in town. Artists also do that all the time. You don’t fly in extra people for pick up gigs, and getting one is usually good sign. It means you can either bring in heads on short notice, or they believe you’ll impress the ones already there.

    No cheapening, just the typical road for a new artist of Kris genre. Nice try, though.

    CathyMK, totally with you on Vig vs Eno with Cook, but I wouldn’t call Eno prog rock. Glam, electronic, or electro-punk, but not prog rock. Coldplay and crappy U2 album not withstanding. The David Byrne album came out nice.

  250. soverymel:

    But I also think it’s revisionist history to ascribe one side of the argument to Lambert fans. I think fans of many of the Idols were scratching their heads and trying to make sense of the SuBo sales avalanche when it initially happened.

    Quite possibly – but I didn’t read any of the other discussions: they didn’t really come up much anywhere else that I read. I only saw them on here re that particular discussion.

    Of course the whole BGT thing impacted on the success of her album and so did that ‘reveal’ of ordinary housewife type has amazing voice thing. Of course it did. And I’m sure that there were plenty of other conversations going on about why she was selling so well and bringing up the ‘story’ as reason; though there were also message boards filled with people loving her voice and huge crowds rushing to hear her sing.

    For whatever reason, she impacted people’s consciousness in a way that is rarely done these days.

    It’s just that I find it a strange response to a line of argument on this blog, to deny that such conversations ever took place on this blog, when they did and in particular in relation to the fact that Subo’s first week numbers were going to far exceed Lambert’s.

    That certainly didn’t say anything about Lambert, because clearly nobody would have been able to stand up to those opening numbers.

  251. fadetowhite:

    It’s just that I find it a strange response to a line of argument on this blog, to deny that such conversations ever took place on this blog, when they did and in particular in relation to the fact that Subo’s first week numbers were going to far exceed Lambert’s.

    LOL yeah, I totally remember it happening here — but mostly because while I am an Adam fan, I was one of the people who arguing that Susan was much more likely to beat Adam’s numbers than the other way around. Although damn I never imagined that she’d beat everybody in the universe, didn’t see that coming!

    Memory is a funny thing, I think people remember what conversations THEY were involved in and felt strongly about, but just because they don’t remember it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. And while I tend to lurk more days than I’m active, even my OCD-must-read-everything-about-Adam-Kris-N-Allison self doesn’t keep up with every single post.

    After the initial shock over Susan, I am really curious to see how the rest of her career plays out. I’m surprised how many people confidently predict her imminent one hit wonderdom. There’s clearly an ENORMOUS market for what she does or represents or both. If I were betting, I would NOT bet against her. And more power to her.

  252. If I were betting, I would NOT bet against her. And more power to her.

    I’m not sure about that…

    She could easily be the next Paul Potts, who capitalised on BGT fame and then pretty much disappeared, from what I can tell. And even then, she’d be set for life.

    If she makes another album then it will all come down to whether people genuinely enjoyed the first or whether their love of her voice is sustained beyond that initial surge of support.

    I’m sure that she could sustain a career: there is definitely a market for that kind of music.

    But I doubt whether her sales will ever again come anywhere near the sales of this first album.

    Oh and, yeah, memory is a funny thing and definitely revolves around the things that capture an individual’s attention or passion.

  253. If she makes another album then it will all come down to whether people genuinely enjoyed the first or whether their love of her voice is sustained beyond that initial surge of support.

    I agree that is the key. Although I must admit I find it hilarious imagining in the meantime boardrooms of record execs brainstorming on whiteboards ways to somehow duplicate her success with more artists.

  254. I worry about SuBo, not her sales obviously, but about her being able to cope with and handle criticism and negative press. At some point media is going to pick on her – tabloids, etc in the UK are ruthless – and if a second CD doesn’t open like the first one people start to criticize, and quite honestly, I don’t know if she can handle all that mentally and emotionally.

    ETA: The fact they kept her youtube online helped alot I think. AI should take note of that – do not yank youtubes of performances – but they are all about the TV show and not the music sales afterwards so…..

  255. David Archuleta will be getting on a plane today for Central America…

    DavidArchie: Hey guys, tomorrow I’m heading out to Central America for the week for some charity work, and don’t know how my phone service will be while

    I’m there. I’ll try to keep you posted and will get a blog up in a couple of days! Sorry that I haven’t made one in a while, but I’m stoked!
    about 8 hours ago from web

  256. All I said was that because he has a tendency to say controversial things — do you disagree with that? — maybe that’s a reason he doesn’t do as much radio promo, etc. The others don’t say anything controversial and maybe that’s why they do more.

    By and large, as long as an entertainer isn’t calling for genocide or something, entertainment companies *love* sending out people for interviewers who routinely say things that are a bit controversial or edgy. Controversial and edgy get attention and they sell.

  257. I’m looking at the Rate the Music on the AT40 page….they have the following songs up for rating:

    Top 40:
    Adam – WWFM
    Black Eyed Peas – Imma Bee

    CHR:
    Boys like Girls – Two is Better Than One
    Taylor Swift – Fifteen

    Here are the rankings when I just took them (in %s):

    (title / artist) ——-Adam– BEP– BLG– TS
    Like it alot ———-93– 26– 30– 33
    Like it some———2– 14– 22– 17
    So-So—————1– 27– 19– 14
    Dislike it some——–1– 13– 19– 17
    Dislike it alot———5– 20– 9– 17

    (charts not lining up well but I think you guys get the picture)

    Everyone here knows I am a HUGE Adam fan, but come on, this looks a little ridiculous.

    Looks like the Glamberts are out in full force. Do you think they will get him banned from Rate the Music? Too bad because radio uses this alot (I think) and they need actual results not skewed results otherwise they won’t know which of Adam’s songs will work or not.

  258. NO, NO, NO, David, stay away fro the prog rock!! I love Brian Eno, but I don’t need David Cook to sound like Coldplay or U2.

    I know I’m being anal about this, but Brian Eno is not prog rock. He is more associated with ambient music (a term I think he coined, and he is very influential in that genre), especially the kind of quiet soothing electronic music which some people might call chillout music. Other groups associated ambient are Aphex Twins, Moby and Tangerine Dream. Some classic albums in ambient – Brian Eno’s Another Green World, Harold Budd’s The Pearl (done with Brian Eno), Tangerine Dream’s Phaedra.

    I love ambient, although the more avant-garde stuff (like Harold Budd) might not be to many people’s taste. A lot of electronica are however influenced by ambient, for example, have a listen to the start of this Moby song –
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAYHTES4whs
    that’s very similar to start of Adam Lambert’s Sleepwalker –
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbHyWXjQ9wQ

    Brian Eno’s works as producer aren’t at all the same as his own personal stuff, and there is no reason to assume any other album he produced would sound like U2. He is also highly respected. David Cook would be very lucky if he can get him.

    As for David Cook not gaining respect among rock and indie crowd, that has more to do with him winning American Idol and that stupid Rainbow song. I was just going through the yearly chart hits and it is striking how much Time Of My Life sticks out like a sore thumb from the rest of the songs and it’s David’s only song in those charts (try listening to the Magic Rainbow after Finger Eleven’s Paralyser or Kanye West’s Love Lockdown and you see how toe-curlingly cringingly bad the Rainbow song is). I do hope David Cook will get a huge hit from his next album or he will be forever associated with and tarnished by that horrible song.

  259. Cook is a pop/rocker not a rockstar because the Rock and Indie community does not knowledge him. They turn up their noses at all the nickelbacks wanna be.

    It’s not because they think he’s a “Nickelback wanna be”. Rock is notoriously snobby because of AMERICAN IDOL. Anyway Nickelback has made TONS of money and apparently somebody likes them because they sell. Cook’s career is in it’s infancy, so I tend to think that the further away he gets from AI, the more recognition he will get. Besides as long as Cook sells anywhere, any format (rock/pop/indie) I’m there.

  260. Looks like the Glamberts are out in full force. Do you think they will get him banned from Rate the Music?

    Well if someone could show me that Kris fans and Cook fans and Archie fans exhibited sane self control when those ratings links for their songs were posted on the AT40 site, I might be worried. But otherwise I would think that most Idol songs probably look similarly skewed in favor of OMG BEST SONG EVER, at least in the beginning before overenthusiastic fans burn out on the voting and regular people notice they’re there.

  261. MusicAlltheTime
    01/10/2010 at 2:29 am
    Jive might be cheap, but that makes them smart, in the current economic climate. If Kris can accompany himself and only needs one other person for backup/harmonies, then why not just send him and Cale to a show, rather than the whole band. (I do love the band, but I can see how it just wouldn’t be worth it to send all of them if they were just going to perform in a little radio station lounge, like Kris and Cale did yesterday afternoon.)

    I think another thing is that Kris did acoustic performances on Idol, sometimes with just him and his guitar, and they were very well received. Now, I personally prefer Kris with his full band, but I appreciate that he can do both well. He can rock it out with a full band, and he can do a sensitive, intimate acoustic performance with just his guitar and Cale.

    I haven’t read all the comments here , so forgive me if I’m missing the crux of this conversation.

    As far as the acoustic sets on these radio gigs, it is not at all uncommon. Radio station facilities are small and normally do not have sound stages. The logistics favor this arrangement. Usually if an act can only do the full band thing, it’s taken to the parking lot and that becomes a pain for the station.

    The CES convention gig was huge. When I heard that Kris would be back in Vegas for the BB King gig, my heart immediately said ‘I wish he was doing the convention.’ NATPE later this month would be beyond awesome. What a pleasant surprise! The big players and Sony in particular have enormous budgets for this production. They don’t cut corners and want the best. This is something I have first hand knowledge with. They use Emmy winning producers and directors for these.

  262. The CES convention gig was huge. When I heard that Kris would be back in Vegas for the BB King gig, my heart immediately said ‘I wish he was doing the convention.’ NATPE later this month would be beyond awesome. What a pleasant surprise! The big players and Sony in particular have enormous budgets for this production. They don’t cut corners and want the best. This is something I have first hand knowledge with. They use Emmy winning producers and directors for these.

    Of course it’s a good thing! It seems a lot of time has to be spent justifying the gigs Kris does, or the ways he performs them (acoustic vs. with the band), or what music he performs (covers vs. his own songs).

    For some reason, ever since it was announced Kris was playing that convention, some people have called it a bad move. They knkew nothing about it, yet it was bad. There are a lot of positive things that Kris does that people try to turn into bad things. It gets tiresome.

    No cheapening, just the typical road for a new artist of Kris genre. Nice try, though.

    I agreee with this and your whole post, erinthered.

  263. Susan Boyle has probably had to cope with negativity all her life and is better equipped to handle it than most. I remember reading she had a learning disability. This gets you picked on alot as a child, plus she held up well when everyone was laughing at her before she first sang. She is a lot stronger probably than most people.

  264. No cheapening, just the typical road for a new artist of Kris genre.

    Completely agree. And even more, while watching him rocking it with his band is always fun, Kris also sounds lovely singing stripped down acoustic style. So win-win.

  265. Susan Boyle has probably had to cope with negativity all her life and is better equipped to handle it than most. I remember reading she had a learning disability. This gets you picked on alot as a child, plus she held up well when everyone was laughing at her before she first sang. She is a lot stronger probably than most peopl

    Maybe but she did have a breakdown after her show ended because of all the media attention, etc.

  266. No cheapening, just the typical road for a new artist of Kris genre. Nice try, though.

    It wasn’t a “try” at anything. It wasn’t Cook’s path, so why should it be Kris’s path? They both won. It does seem to me that RCA spent more money, time and effort into getting David Cook better opportunities. They didn’t send David to a free “Meetball” gig to do an acoustic set of 3 or 4 songs. I’m saying Jive could be CHEAPING it up. (I happen to like that made-up word.)

    If RCA’s game plan can be discussed and questioned, why can’t there be discussions and questions about Jive’s game plan?

    It seems a lot of time has to be spent justifying the gigs Kris does,

    I completely understand. It seems alot of time has to be spent justifying the gigs or lack of gigs Adam does, the number or types of interviews he gives, the clothes he wears, the friends he chooses, the way he sits….
    Yes, it does get tiresome!

  267. It wasn’t Cook’s path, so why should it be Kris’s path?

    Because Cook isn’t Kris, and Kris isn’t Cook.

    They both won. It does seem to me that RCA spent more money, time and effort into getting David Cook better opportunities. They didn’t send David to a free “Meetball” gig to do an acoustic set of 3 or 4 songs. I’m saying Jive could be CHEAPING it up. (I happen to like that made-up word.)

    I think you can skew anything to make it look bad, really. Is there something wrong with this gig in the Phillipines Kris is doing? David Cook did the Fox NYE special, so did Kris. Kris has done a lot of talk shows, etc. I don’t think any of his gigs have been bad gigs at all. And he hasn’t done badly at any of them.

    I don’t get the idea that whenever he performs without the band, this is a lesser “opportunity.” Or that the audeince is getting less of a show. Kris is a singer-songwriter type, and some of the most well known singer-songwriters perform acoustic shows from time to time, and other times perform with a band. It’s a more intimate type of performing and not every performer can do it. Those who can, usually do.

    As I understand it, Ryland, the drummer for Kris’s band, was playing a gig with his old band last weekend, which might be a reason why the band didn’t follow Kris to Vegas. And it may not.

    Kris doesn’t necessarily need to perform with a band (as Adam or Allison usually do, for instance), so it’s not a given that he will. Most of his fans seem to enjoy that he changes it up, sometimes performing with his band, sometimes performing with the band “acoustic” (which is how I saw him perform), sometimes just with Cale, and sometimes solo (some of his radio station gigs have been solo).

    As I said, I don’t see it as a negative or as a cheap thing.

  268. I’m saying Jive could be CHEAPING it up. (I happen to like that made-up word.)

    The problem is that the statement of “CHEAPING it up” comes off as derogatory. The “Meetball” gig on it face seems to just be an incentive to play LLWD and expand on its airplay like the jingle balls.

    As of right now it seems that Jive has been steering Kris in the right direction. He has a hit song that is about to go “Gold” this week. LLWD is charting higher on multiple charts than any other member of S8 with his first single. LLWD is still going strong on the radio and iTunes. He has people requesting him to perform at their venue for pay and about to go on tour. What more could a new artist want. It’s the music and performances that are selling Kris right now. IMO that is a good spot to be in for the long term.

  269. It’s the music and performances that are selling Kris right now.

    Yes, his single made a huge climb on the charts as soon as he started performing it everywhere, both big and small venues and TV (and like I’ve said before, YouTube actually makes a big difference. You can peform at a venue of any size and thousands more see you on the internet). As it seems to work, it’s hard to find the negative in it.

  270. Because Cook isn’t Kris, and Kris isn’t Cook.

    But, they are both the singer/songwriter types. They both won the same singing contest. Comparisons will be made.

    and some of the most well known singer-songwriters perform acoustic shows from time to time, and other times perform with a band.

    Cook didn’t do these free acoustic shows like the Meetball show. He mostly did acoustic songs when he went in to radio stations. I’m sure Kris’ fans do enjoy an acoustic set by him. The convention nor the Meetball thing is going to be full of Kris fans. A band would have been more impressive.

    LLWD is charting higher on multiple charts than any other member of S8 with his first single.

    At this time, that’s not saying much. LOL
    LLWD isn’t doing so great compared to the magic rainbow song, Light On, No Air, Tattoo. It’s not doing bad, it’s just not blowing up like the other singles from winners in the past.
    I’m not so sure Jive is doing a bang up job either. They don’t seem to be able to get Kris the print and media opportunities that David Cook had.

  271. But, they are both the singer/songwriter types. They both won the same singing contest. Comparisons will be made.

    I know that both Cook and Kris have had success in HAC, but isn’t Cook’s sound different from Kris’s? Doesn’t Cook’s sound lean more toward “rock,” so it would make sense for him to do more gigs with a full band? Kris’s sound seems “softer,” so I don’t think an “unplugged” gig misrepresents his music or puts him in a bad light. With regard to the CES show, Sony (Jive’s parent company) had the clout and money to ask for whatever they wanted, so they could have gotten the full band if they wanted to. Maybe they were okay with Kris playing acoustic or even wanted it. It looked like Kris and Cale had to do a 3D demo during their set–maybe that would have been harder to set up with a full band?

    And if the Meetball show is free, and is only going to entail 3-4 songs, then I can see why Jive wouldn’t send the whole band–it wouldn’t be cost-effective. At the same time, it’s important for Kris to do this gig, if it will win him the good will of the radio station sponsoring the show.

    Jive is different from RCA, and Jive didn’t work with Cook, so it’s not fruitful to compare Kris’s gigs/media opportunities to David’s. It’s not even worth it to compare Kris to Jordin, another winner signed to Jive, because they have different sounds and appeal to different demographics. Each artist’s situation is different, so their labels’ strategies are different.

  272. I know that both Cook and Kris have had success in HAC, but isn’t Cook’s sound different from Kris’s? Doesn’t Cook’s sound lean more toward “rock,” so it would make sense for him to do more gigs with a full band? Kris’s sound seems “softer,” so I don’t think an “unplugged” gig misrepresents his music or puts him in a bad light.

    Exactly. Also, your whole post was great, thanks.

    I actually haven’t seen anyone who’s a fan of Kris complain about any of these gigs, we’re all very happy with them. As I say, he does a great job at the more intimate acoustic stuff, and he does a great job with the band. I suppose you could also argue that on AI he should have done all his songs with a full band, but he changed it up all the time.
    Because he can. Personally I would love to see him do one of his Kris-Cale shows. It’s a more intimate side of him and it’s a more intimate way of hearing him sing. If others don’t like it, or think it’s cheap, or ineffective, I heartily disagree and that’s all I can say.

  273. It wasn’t a “try” at anything. It wasn’t Cook’s path, so why should it be Kris’s path? They both won. It does seem to me that RCA spent more money, time and effort into getting David Cook better opportunities. They didn’t send David to a free “Meetball” gig to do an acoustic set of 3 or 4 songs. I’m saying Jive could be CHEAPING it up. (I happen to like that made-up word.)

    It’s exactly this kind of passive aggressive response that makes you lose credibility. As ross said, you will try to make anything look bad.

    Is Adam take the same path as David Archuleta? Did David Cook take the same path Carrie Underwood or Taylor Hicks or Jordin Sparks? Are David Cook and Kris Allen even on the same record label? (Hint: The answer to all of these questions is ‘no.’)

    What is a “meatball” gig? Is that like a summer gig at a camp?

    What I saw Kris doing two pick up gigs. A common occurrence for just about any artist in Kris’ genre. A genre that neither David Cook or Adam Lambert are a part of. It seems like all of it is paying off too. His single is selling well, and his album sales aren’t dropping off as much as expected. Clearly Jive is doing something right…

    Also, Cook, Archuleta, Underwood, Hicks, McPhee, and just about every single Idol contestant who ever got a major label record deal have performed tons of charity and business gigs you probably never heard about. A few of them performed at bar/ bat mitzfahs and birthday parties for the ultra rich, and all kinds of other parties. Including Adam Lambert. Kris’ gig at CES is nothing new.

    For the last time, Sony paid for the CES gig. They decided what they wanted. Not Jive. You don’t fly in a full band for gigs you pick up while you’re already in town. So, like I said, nice try.

    To be honest, I think Adam needs to perform more. He’s too much of a “celebrity” and not enough of a musician/ singer. He could easily being doing secret shows at Upright Cabaret or dozens of other clubs in LA, NYC, Miami…

  274. “A band would have been more impressive.’

    I know that’s your opinion & that’s fine but I don’t get why a band is necessarily more impressive than an acoustic set!! To me both are valid in certain circumstances. Actually in my opinion an acoustic set is even more impressive as the artist is much more exposed & only the best musicians can carry this off .
    Really I’m happy that Kris is getting all this exposure in various venues – from the large NY jingle event & TV programmes down to the more intimate venues[ which as someone pointed out is shown on You Tube anyway- & so reaches an unknown amount of people!!]
    I for one don’t want to question any label for what they are doing- how would I know what their future plans are? All I can say is that I feel that Jive have done pretty well in giving Kris a variety of opportunities on a consistent basis , which has allowed LLWD to keep up there on the charts & be going Gold very soon!!

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