Hits Sales Totals: Adam Lambert #3 196K, Susan Boyle 670K, #1

The Hits Daily Double final sales numbers are in. Here’s how it shook out:

1. Susan Boyle – I Dreamed A Dream – 669, 843
2. Andrea Bocelli – My Christmas – 215, 002
3. Adam Lambert – For Your Entertainment – 195, 974
4. Lady Gaga – Fame Monster (EP) – 181, 279
5. Rihanna – Rated R – 180, 198
6. Miley Cyrus – Time of Our Lives – 151, 653
7. Lady Gaga – Fame – 144, 622
8. Taylor Swift – Fearless – 122, 848
9. Carrie Underwood – Play On – 114, 393
10. Michael Jackson – This is It – 106, 050

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Hits compiles their own data from vendors who submit sales info. The official numbers will be released by Soundscan sometime tomorrow.

Not surprised Adam’s numbers are lower than the initial prediction of 200K+. The predictions for Idols tend to be high due to front-loaded sales (Pre-orders plus fans snapping up copies within the first couple of days.) Still, very good numbers for Adam.

Kris Allen, Kris Allen – #31 with 34, 920, a 59% decrease
Carrie Underwood, Play On – #9 with 114, 393, a 34% increase (nice!)
Leona Lewis, Echo – #47 with 21, 431 a 69% decrease.

Bonus number: Allison Iraheta – Just Like You – #8 on iTunes!

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417 Comments

  1. So generally, how close to the OFFICIAL numbers are these Hits Daily Double numbers? Are they usually higher or lower, or pretty accurate?

    Do ALL vendors submit info to HDS? (Amazon, the artist’s official website, etc?)

  2. Well at least on this report Adam beat both Rhianna and LGG – YIIPPEE!!! until tomorrow…

  3. I believe those number may go up a bit when reported tomorrow, if I am not mistaken.. he may hit 200k yet

  4. They can be higher or lower. But most of the time tend to be higher for Idols. This year they were 5000 higher for Kris, and they were 3000 higher for David Cook’s album last year. Adam’s number may change but he will probably stay at # 3 on the BB 200.

  5. Just wanted to ask about a post I am sure I saw on an earlier thread. Someone (Q3 maybe?! Helloo?!) said that HDD compiles a building chart and that not all distributors reported for this list. Does that mean that the AO sales may still have yet to be added to this?

    Either way I am a happy camper! Woo hoo, go Adam! And here’s hoping for continued success.

    Now, I really need a raised glass icon right now. What ever happened to the smilies on here?

  6. Still not bad numbers. 196K very respectable. Andrea Bocelli a little surprising but people love their opera Christmas music. :-) Adam did do comfortably well over Gaga and the rest about 15K better. I am not upset or disappointed. Gaga’s new Album did 180K and her previous album did 140K. Though combined did she did 320K her new album still did less then Adam’s new album so I am happy. Though I am sure she will do better in the long haul. Oh and Susan Boyle fantastic numbers. Very very impressive.

    and Carries numbers are very impress for her 4th week.

  7. Dumb question maybe, but does HDD take into account the deluxe editions that were sold at AO?

    Anyway, third place is super, would have loved to see him top 200K

  8. Carrie’s numbers are impressive, especially 4 weeks after the release

  9. These numbers are GREAT!!! Coming in #3 your first time around is not a bad thing no matter how you want to spin it.
    Adam’s music will win out– not because of hype or scandal, but because it is GOOD.

    Many, many people are listening now– and will be sure to spread the word.

    Congratulations, Adam!!!!

  10. Dumb question maybe, but does HDD take into account the deluxe editions that were sold at AO?

    HDD takes all sales into account. For the ones, they don’t get directly, they estimate using whatever tools and information that they have. Therefore they can make mistakes, but usually not huge ones.

  11. Even if Adam drops 70% next week which would be a huge drop, he will still sell another 60K more..not to bad at all! Way to go Adam!

  12. I know it’s a disadvantage that he doesn’t beat-box, but how does this stack up against Blake Lewis’ first week numbers?

  13. Congratulations to Adam! I love the album, and I can’t wait to see him on tour.

  14. Last week, the final totals were actually lowerfrom the final estimates for most of the artists. So I am not counting on Adam hitting that 200K mark. 195 K is still pretty impressive, though. And kudos for Carrie — that album is really showing strong legs.

    Kris’ drop off looks like it might be less than I was expecting (I predicted 30K for him this week),.

  15. I am really a little surprised Rihanna did not sell more. She has had incredible promotion (sadly, some do to the Chris Brown stuff) and her album has gotten a ton of buzz. (Not that she did poorly, of course, I just expected her to sell more units)

  16. Wow, after all that publicity, controversy and hype, he doesn’t even hit 200K? Maybe, he should’ve fucked Tommy on stage, rather than just kiss him.

    And kudos to Carrie, that’s impressive.

  17. Andrea Bocelli was on Oprah this week, so I’m sure that gave him a big boost…hell-even I downloaded one of his songs!!

  18. Yeah, if Adam number changes, it will be lower, so hopefully it won’t change too much. Yeah it’s a good number, I thought the 210-230 as typical Idol overestimation.

    And Andrea Boccelli and SuBo will continue to duke it out for stocking stuffers sales going forward. SuBo is just…whoa! inexplicable to me, but impressive!

  19. Just watched Ellen so still smiling. Great on Adams sales, just hope it stays up there. But hate to be negative, but just ug on SuBo, unbelievable. I guess Simon has his world wide star. Adam sure sings better than her, but fighting a lot of things. Never thought that it would be a problem. I just hope people can discover how great his album really is. I use it for an excuse to go somewhere to play it real loud in the car.

  20. Add me to the list of folks utterly flummoxed by the popularity of SuBo. Holy hell– I never imagined she would be doing so well.

  21. Looking at the overestimation of Adam and Kris initially, makes me scared to think what type of number they’ll estimate for Allison. That’s going to make for something interesting I think.

  22. Good job, Adam! Subo’s sales are amazing.

    The real “loser” this week? Shakira. Wow. She’s been EVERYWHERE.

  23. Wow, after all that publicity, controversy and hype, he doesn’t even hit 200K? Maybe, he should’ve fucked Tommy on stage, rather than just kiss him.

    That would have deffinitely brought on some FCC fines…..Classy!

  24. Was this really called for?

    Hypertwink does make a point, though. I had heard 300K for Adam at one time–on OHP this past weekend, I think. By no means am I being critical of the amount he did move. Getting to nearly 200K is impressive. But there will be some who were expecting bigger numbers based on previous assumptions.

  25. subo is a beast. she left everyone behind.
    congrats ADAM!! decent numbers.

  26. Even with the unprecedented avalanche of pre-launch publicity (for an Idol Academy grad), Adam gets absolutely PWNd by a warbling, old hag and a blind man on the backside of his career.

  27. Andrea Bocelli a little surprising but people love their opera Christmas music.

    Actually, well, technically speaking he is not an Opera singer. He is probably trained vocally but he sing ballads and Christmas standards, not Opera Arias…he doesnt perform in major Opera Houses and he sings with a mic. He could have been an Opera singer but because hes blind he wasnt allowed to study in a conservatory where Opera singers train :(
    I really do like his voice and I appreciate him as a singer for what he does, but he not an operatic tenor…just like Sarah Brightman is not an operatic Soprano.

    Andrea Bocelli was on Oprah this week, so I’m sure that gave him a big boost’ ¦hell-even I downloaded one of his songs!!

    Ill bet!! I really hope Oprah keeps her promise and re-invites Adam to perform on her show.

  28. Place doesn’t concern me in the least as any other week it could have varied significantly in either direction.
    But 196K?
    Pleases me immensely!
    I am just thrilled with that!!
    Most especially considering the increases in illegal downloading and difficult economic times!!

    1. Clay Aiken, “Measure of a Man,” 613,000
    2. Ruben Studdard, “Souful,” 400,000+
    3. Carrie Underwood, “Some Hearts,” 315,000
    4. Chris Daughtry, “Daughtry,” 304,000
    5. Taylor Hicks, “Taylor Hicks,” 298,000
    6. Kelly Clarkson, Thankful, 297,000
    7. David Cook, David Cook, 279,000
    8. Fantasia Barrino, Free Yourself, 240,000
    9. Bo Bice, “The Real Thing,” 227,000
    10. Jennifer Hudson, “Jennifer Hudson,” 217,000
    11. Adam Lambert, “For Your Entertainment,” 196,000
    12. David Archuleta, “David Archuleta,” 183,000
    13. Jordin Sparks, Jordin Sparks, 119,000
    14. Katharine McPhee, “Katharine McPhee,” 116,000
    15. Blake Lewis, “ADD,” 97,500
    16. Kris Allen, “Kris Allen,” 85,000
    17. Justin Guarini, “Justin Guarini,” 57,000
    18. Diana DeGarmo, “Blue Skies,” 47,000

    Here’s hoping the SoundScan numbers put him at a firm 200K- either way I am happy and proud!!

  29. Wow, I can’t believe those numbers for Subo. That’s great for her though.

  30. 1. Susan Boyle
    2. Andrea Bocelli
    3. Adam Lambert
    4. Lady Gaga
    5. Rhianna
    6. Miley Cyrus
    7. Lady Gaga
    8. Taylor Swift
    9. Carrie Underwood
    10. Michael Jackson

    If this holds…this has to be the absolute weirdest top ten ever….and not to offend but we have a: you tube sensation, a blind guy, a gay guy, a costumed persona girl, an abuse victim, a Disney pole dancer, a teen idol, a Barbie doll, and a dead icon.

    A little something for everyone. And also interesting….not a group or duo in the current top 10. And that is really interesting!

  31. I predicted about 160k for Adam based on his singles and post AI sales. The extra publicity via the AMA’s got him an extra 40k. That’s pretty damn good. Now his sales will be more determined by radio play and he certainly got a great start today with all those adds.

  32. Reminder:

    STICK TO THE SUBJECT please. The subject IS NOT your fellow poster. NO fingerwagging or lecturing please.

  33. (for an Idol Academy grad)

    I dont follow. What do you mean “Idol Academy grad”? Since when is American Idol an academy? LOL

    Speaking of Academy, when are the nominees for the Oscars being announced again?

  34. disappointing! with all the promo and controversy, you would think he’d sell much more. oh well.

  35. I do disagree the Andrea Bocelli is at bad slide of his career, as he is immensely popular.

    Also, people may not realize, his song may end up competing against TFM for Academy Award, as i heard it was submitted, it played over the credits of the disney film, A Christmas Carol, which is an immensely popular film.

    He may have had a sales boost from that movie, as I bought the single after the movie, it was very beautiful and I am not an Andrea Bocelli type of music gal…

  36. Speaking of Academy, when are the nominees for the Oscars being announced again?

    Don’t they usually do this early in the new year? (Feb?) They have to wait until everything has been released since it is all eligible for that given year.

  37. Okay numbers for Adam. Hopefully he continues to sell though. My worry was never about the intitial numbers, but the upcoming weeks.

    Carrie Underwood-WOW. You go girl.

  38. Wow, after all that publicity, controversy and hype, he doesn’t even hit 200K?

    I think he has lost alot fans after ama’s performance. This number is from pre-order. His sale is going to drop dramatically on second week. In fact, I just checked on Amazon and Adam ranks 17 while Susan Boyle is still # 1, and Andrea Bocelli is still #2 .

  39. For Your Entertainment music video! Avail on iTunes on 12/15

    Yay. That’s something to look forward to.

  40. Good for Adam, WTF @ Susan Boyle, and that looks kinda painful from Kris :(. He deserves better than #31.

    Also I’m hating the inevitable media praising Adam and ditching Kris. Media sucks these days anyway.

    I don’t get Lady GaGa, nor do I really want to. I’d probably hate her if she didn’t publicly make some pro-gay statements >_>. But seriously, 2 spots in the top 10? That kinda makes me worried for the next seasons of American Idol and (possibly) X Factor on what they’d consider “current”. It probably won’t be something I like :(

    I’m also offended by Miley Cyrus’s place. She should be #1232131231231284. I’m sure there’s not that many musicians or albums in the world.

    I hope I’m not getting old and crotchety already, I’m not even 20 yet.

    But seriously, good for Adam. Soaked, Aftermath, Whataya Want From Me. All works of genius (though I can’t say I care for the rest of the album). I dunno if Adam wrote them himself but he emotes them well. What are Adam’s writing credits on the album? I heard he had 4.

  41. I think he has lost alot fans after ama’s performance. This number is from pre-order. His sale is going to drop dramatically on second week.

    I suspect his numbers will drop the same percentage as Kris’s did.

  42. No matter what my mind logically digests on this matter, I still cannot viscerally understand the SuBo thing. I mean, ugh. She was a YouTube phenom, an uplifting moment, not some pop star. And Bocelli? Really?
    I feel so out of touch with this kind of reality, and for once I am happy about that.
    Hope Adam continues to sell well. I bought a copy at Target and the cashier fawned all over the CD, took forever to let it go. Her comments: “I didn’t know he had an album. I love his voice.”
    And then: “I saw that awards show.”
    I assured her that performance should not be how she judges the CD. I am hoping with more appearances like Ellen and CBS the focus really will be back on the music.

  43. Andrea Bocelli was on Oprah yesterday so that could not have effected his HDD numbers yet. Was he also on last week? That means he should get a big boost again next week.

    HDD made that big ‘announcement’ that Adam’s record was selling much better than they expected and they bumped their estimate up to 230k at the same time they bumped their Subo estimate up to 600k on Wed or Thusday last week. This makes me wonder if Adam’s sales became quite slack by the weekend after all those interviews where Adam said he wasn’t sorry & if you didn’t like his performance then maybe he’s not for you. Interesting how Monday rolls around & Adam is now saying he’s sorry in every way possible without actually saying the words. Something tells me his team found out about the pattern of sales & they decided he needed to change what he was saying if he wanted to sell to the masses. Next week will certainly be interesting.

  44. The positive for Adam is that he has a packed December in terms of promotion, and the new single appears to be taking-off. I do think he may have lost a lot of casual fans/buyers after the AMA performance. Hopefully, by being the charming sweet person he is in the upcoming interviews and appearences, and by focusing on the music, he will gain some of them back.

  45. carolinacharms
    12/01/2009 at 5:09 pm

    Even with the unprecedented avalanche of pre-launch publicity (for an Idol Academy grad), Adam gets absolutely PWNd by a warbling, old hag and a blind man on the backside of his career.

    Yeah I am sure that is also pissing off the established artist like Lady Gaga, Rhianna, Shakira, all being PWNd by the warbling old hag and the blind man and the backside of his career, when they are all suppose at the top of their game. Adam at least is new to the game and supposedly does not have that strong of a fan base so I think he’s happy with numbers. I know I am.

  46. YAY! SUCH WONDERFUL NUMBERS.. SO PROUD OF YOU ADAM…I CANNOT BELIEVE BB OUTSOLD RIHANNA !
    But heh this proves like nothing else which demographic is actually buying music anymore… Go older people!

  47. Andrea Bocelli a little surprising but people love their opera Christmas music.

    im not surprised in the least at this… lol I pretty much figured SuBo and Bocelli would be the casual buyer pickup at stores on black friday.

    Andrea Bocelli was on Oprah yesterday so that could not have effected his HDD numbers yet. Was he also on last week? That means he should get a big boost again next week.

    He hit #1 on itunes this afternoon from the oprah appearance… expect him to get a nice bump next week… and as it gets closer to xmas…

  48. Simon just said on Extra that this makes Susan Boyle the biggest female debut ever, ever, ever. Sounds like he might be making a movie of her life next.

  49. I had originally predicted Adam to seel around 130K based on Kris’s numbers. So this is great. I’m not sure if he lost fans or not. I really don’t think he did. I think his numbers may go up a bit tomorrow.

  50. I think illegal downloading goes a long way. But could this also be a decrease in popularity in Idol? I mean, looking at the list posted by Buderschnookie, only one from any of seasons 6, 7, and 8 is in the top 10.

  51. Has David A. had good sales with his Christmas album? I would rather see him up on that top 10 list instead of some of the others.

  52. As always some need to dismiss anything concerning Adam. Typical.

    But YAY for Adam!!!! These are great numbers!

  53. Also, people may not realize, his song may end up competing against TFM for Academy Award, as i heard it was submitted, it played over the credits of the disney film, A Christmas Carol, which is an immensely popular film.

    Damn that is some serious competition..and has Bocelli ever been nominated before?
    I really admire and appreciate Andrea and I think his voice is beautiful and I wouldnt be too upset if he won over Adam because they are both grear artists in their own right (and I would even expect it) but I would still love for Adam to win…not because of the actual award but because of all that it represents…an Oscar is a prestigious award and it would just put him at another level and give him something to think about when hes planning his future performances ;)

  54. Congrats to Adam, plus there were 30 adds for WWFM today, and he will have a music video on Vevo (new site, per Wiki) and is making a commercial (acc’d to a tweet) today. After a rough week, things are just looking up. And I think his appearance on Ellen today will give him a bump (plus he’ll be on Barbara Walters special, Conan, and Jimmy Fallon, along with other events). I am sure he is very pleased; his fans sure are.

    ETA: lol, organic. Leona Lewis must be feeling pretty sad today. heh

  55. that looks kinda painful from Kris . He deserves better than #31.

    It’s not so bad, about par for the course.

    Hey, it’s not Leona Lewis! Dropping nearly 70% is BRUTAL.

  56. I don’t understand the argument that all the “hype and publicity” should have resulted in higher sales. It did! It resulted in sales two and a half times greater than those for the AI winner. So there is your sales bump. The type of music Adam makes and his polarizing persona are never going to result in the widespread, mass appeal of an inoffensive, rags to riches story of a subo But I don’t see how anyone could categorize his first week sales as anything other than solid to great

  57. The real ‘loser’  this week? Shakira. Wow. She’s been EVERYWHERE.

    This isn’t her debut week, is it?

    Last week the big loser was Leona Lewis and this week as well.

    As for Adam’s unprecented hype, etc.,. Rhianna really has had a huge amount of hype as well, and certainly at the center of a controversy, which was brought up again just last week, she’s an established artist, more radio play than Adam and yet…

  58. So Adam Lambert had the #1 Pop/Rock Record in the land? Awesome! To beat established and VERY popular artists like Lady Gaga and Rihanna is impressive.

    SuBo? Well, Disney animated movies are also the bestsellers on a consistent basis. America is, was and always will be a center\right country and SoBo is very feel good center/right music that threatens no one.

    I may be alone in this, but I honestly think Adam’s album cover has hurt his sales more than the AMA’s. Face it, if you are a straight guy and not already a BIG Adam fan, you are going to be VERY hesitant to buy THAT album cover at Walmart. Despite the fact that Adam loves it, it is just too gay/cheesy for broad consumption by straight men.

    P.S., I bought it, despite the cover making me *wince* every time I look at it.

    I think the final Soundscan #’s will actually be higher than this. Also, Adam should have a great second week after his appearance on Ellen today.

  59. Adam’s sales numbers are excellent – I was expecting maybe 150K, so nearly 200K (and there might be more tomorrow. Or less. We don’t know) is excellent. And FYE has the highest selling rock/pop album, so that’s pretty darn good, especially given the competition. SuBo sold on QVC and in supermarkets; Bocelli is “seasonal”. Neither are meaningful in terms of Adam since I don’t think their listenership intersect with his.

    And if you’re keeping an eye on the add board, you’ll see that he currently has 30 adds this week, fourteen of them today. If he lost fans because of the AMAs and his reaction, he seems to have gained others.

    Adam’s doing just fine. As we knew he would.

  60. Hey, it’s not Leona Lewis! Dropping nearly 70% is BRUTAL.

    Also very surprising…she is a very talented singer…sadly it takes more than singing talent these days

  61. I find myself sad that I live in a world where SuBo and Andrea Bocelli have the top selling albums. My mind is totally boggled right now that the majority of the population neither cares nor notices the quality of music. I mean, yeah, I get that Adam and Gaga aren’t for everyone. But SuBo and Bocelli are such poor singers. SuBo at least has the pitiful back story thing and I can take comfort that she won’t be around next year. But what’s with Bocelli??? Sads.

  62. The sales numbers for Adam’s CD is excellent news! Add to that the announcement of his music video release to iTunes on the 15th and that makes me very happy indeed!

  63. Truthiness
    12/01/2009 at 5:29 pm

    The real ‘loser’  this week? Shakira. Wow. She’s been EVERYWHERE.

    This isn’t her debut week, is it?

    Sad to say yes it was her debut. I like Shakira I am a little surprised she did not do better.

  64. I am thrilled with Adam’s numbers! He is a young, articulate and totally charming guy who can sing. What is not to love? I think this is just the start of a great entertainment career for Adam and I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see him branching out into other forms of performance in the future. WTG, Adam. And his band totally rocks.

  65. I agree Truthiness, Rhianna is the real puzzle to me. She has been everywhere, including the AMAs and highly publicised 20/20 complete with preview clips and a concert on GMA. I honestly thought she would finish higher than Adam.

  66. Real number comes out tomorrow. But remember I predicted 180-200K for Adam.
    Where’s my prize???? Kris had the normal album drop. And where the hell did Miley Cyrus come from?

  67. Very happy for Adam, great sales, new significant appearances, already 32 adds for WWFM this week with several to report. Great!!! We worry too much!

  68. I find myself sad that I live in a world where SuBo and Andrea Bocelli have the top selling albums. My mind is totally boggled right now that the majority of the population neither cares nor notices the quality of music. I mean, yeah, I get that Adam and Gaga aren’t for everyone. But SuBo and Bocelli are such poor singers. SuBo at least has the pitiful back story thing and I can take comfort that she won’t be around next year. But what’s with Bocelli??? Sads.

    They may not be my style, but they can sing! I don’t find sad at all that they have the top 2 albums. Considering the shit playing on radio these days it could have been worse. Actually, I like Bocelli’s album more than Groban’s. Nice job there.
    Bocelli is blind, so, that’s a story for you.

  69. Susan Boyle’s numbers are impressive. I’m so happy for her. The album is beautiful, she deserves all of this!

    Adam numbers are really good considering he doesn’t have a massive appeal (not everybody likes a very sexual gay man that sings like a power metal singer in electro dance pop songs)

    So I’m very proud of Adam because even he didn’t hide who he is at the begging of his career (like Clay and many more pop artist that are gay), he manages to sell almost 200k.

    I feel that Susan Boyle and Adam’s numbers are the begging of a new era of acceptance. :)

  70. I’m agreeing with all of those who say that many of us will be getting a SuBo or a Bocelli album for a gift this Christmas. We are going through a pretty rough period (ooh the bell just dinged…another add for AL) economically and many, many shoppers saw these albums as a way of potentially lifting the spirits of those they were buying gifts for.

    A large portion of buyers of these albums are buying them instead of chocolates, or a bottle of wine (another ding for AL), or a poinsettia plant. They think they are buying something of “substance” and it just makes them feel good. And in these difficult times…that’s OK. I can always trade the albums in for something I really want to listen to.

  71. Has David A. had good sales with his Christmas album? I would rather see him up on that top 10 list instead of some of the others.

    he’s doing fine with his cd 67k as of last week. he’s on track for a normal xmas cd.. and all things considering with ahem lack of promo ahem he’s doing good.

  72. The Andrea Boccelli song at the end of A Christmas Carol is called God Bless Us Everyone You can buy it as a single on itunes

    The belief is that it will be nominated, but not win because winner song have many more words in them than this song– there is a strong belief that it cannot win, but will compete in the best song category along with TFM

  73. Has David A. had good sales with his Christmas album? I would rather see him up on that top 10 list instead of some of the others.

    yes he has… it’s currently at 67k in its 5th week of release, and considering he hasn’t had the hi level promo of the bocelli’s et al, this being a jive production ya know, hahah, i think his christmas cd is selling very well…. it’s selling well, it appears, outside of the base, and any time there has been some promo thrown it’s way, it’s seen increases on itunes, and yesterday on amazon… it’s currently number 24 now on itunes, ahead of several idol releases, and some other hi profile releases, so that is good… looking / hoping to see more increases as we get closer to christmas…

  74. But SuBo and Bocelli are such poor singers. SuBo at least has the pitiful back story thing and I can take comfort that she won’t be around next year. But what’s with Bocelli???

    It’s comfort music. Times are tough and people want to feel good. If listening to SuBo or Bocelli gets their minds away from their troubles for an hour, more power to those folks. Whatever works for you in a healthy way.

  75. Not attacking anyone, I’m just confuzzled, is Rhianna Rihanna’s new name? lol

  76. But SuBo and Bocelli are such poor singers.

    Umm, I am a huge Adam fan but I really disagree with this statement. YMMV as far as taste goes and the type of music you like but as far as singing, both are excellent singers…both technically superior to most pop singers out there today.
    Do I think they are superior to Adam? No I dont LOL
    Adam has a very sophisticated counter-tenor voice and he knows how to use it well…so in that aspect goes they are pretty even..I think the difference is a taste issue and like someone said above, Adam is not everyone’s cup of tea…some ppl think that he “screams” and/or disapprove of his personal life and for that reason alone wont even consider listening to his music…its just how it is.

  77. Damn, Adam still getting adds as we speak, they are coming fast and furiously!!! Way.to.go!!!

    This is friggin’ awesome for Adam

    We always said, Adam Storm, and it is Adam Storm indeed!

  78. i had no expectations so this is FANTASTIC!! way to go adam! there will probably be a pretty significant drop off next week, but it seems like WYWFM is really picking up steam this week so i think the album will perform solidly for the near future. as he continues to show off the content of the album it can only help him. each song could potentially appeal to a new demographic and bring in more sales.

    it’s been a rough week but today has been SO GOOD. beautiful performance on ellen, a flurry of radio adds, and these amazing sales numbers. i’m SO happy for him!

  79. I apologize if this is not the right thread, but where is everyone finding all the information about WWFM adds?

  80. I agree Truthiness, Rhianna is the real puzzle to me. She has been everywhere, including the AMAs and highly publicised 20/20 complete with preview clips and a concert on GMA. I honestly thought she would finish higher than Adam.

    hers may be a tale of all publicity not being good publicity… she has never struck me as being all that, and i think people are just over her, and the whole chris brown drama that has been played out in the media… it looked to me as if both were using their situation and the ensuing drama as a means of promotion for their new music, and neither of their offerings have done all that well so far… the personal drama for them has overshadowed the music to many, and when folks get tired of that, they’ll turn away… they both may have turnarounds in their cd and singles sales, but i’m one of those that is just over both of them… next, heh.

  81. I think Adam’s numbers are good but they’re not amazing. He sold about 12K more than last year’s runner up and had an extra day and Black Friday factored in. I’m not even going to mention the promo from the AMA.

    This is not to downplay the #3 album of the week. And the adds for WWFM are great and show that radio is accepting the song. Rihanna has never had great opening weeks for albums. Her sales depend on her hit singles.

  82. I think these are great numbers for a runner up comparable to David Archuleta. I know Adam got media attention, but most of it wasn’t focused on the music outside of his disastrous AMA performance. It will be interesting to see how Allison and Danny do as combined Kris and Adam sold about 200,000 less albums than the Davids last year. I am glad to see the radio is finally seeming more receptive to Adam’s music with the adds today.

  83. FYE album is great and this is what counts for me. 195K or 205K – is it such a big difference anyway. Besides, if it wasn’t for bad economy sales numbers would have been much bigger. That’s why for me the quality of his music is of greatest importance. BTW, did you hear audience reaction during today’s interview with Rod Steward? Another win for Adam.

  84. Adam will be appearing on The Tonight Show on Dec 14. And he’ll be on Jimmy Kimmel Outdoor Stage Concert Dec 17. These appearances should also help sales.

  85. Maybe AMAs controversial performance didn ´t jeopardize Adam ´s sales so much: he beated Season 7 runner-up and ‘crushed’ Season 8 ‘winner’!
    Maybe people believe in AT&T power vote NOW’ ¦ Unfortunately, the majority of the votes not always means the majority of the fans and now poor Kris knows better.

  86. more like 12k so far jpfan… the extra day of sales and dropping during black friday week were in his favor this year, so perhaps the gap is even narrower than that… who knows… it’s behind us all now, so it’s on to the real nitty gritty…

  87. The Andrea Boccelli song at the end of A Christmas Carol is called God Bless Us Everyone You can buy it as a single on itunes

    LMAO!!!!! Hilarious…yeah it sure is a “friendly” song…Holiday discs are really good ways of making money LOL Im not trying to be cynical but its generic standards that have been sung by everybody and their mother…
    except for Adam :( darn it.
    He would kill O Holy Night LOL

  88. Yay! Adam! 195k+ is good enough for third this rough week. Not bad for an album with little promotion and no hit single. The numbers aren’t final until tomorrow and could go a little higher. I’m really thrilled with 32 Adds this week. The spin counts should go up soon and hopefully support the album. It’s all good!! :) :) :)

  89. I agree Truthiness, Rhianna is the real puzzle to me. She has been everywhere, including the AMAs and highly publicised 20/20 complete with preview clips and a concert on GMA. I honestly thought she would finish higher than Adam.

    But Rhianna can’t really sing….. The key for her is to have catchy type songs, and the singles she’s had out so far hasn’t caught on.

  90. So what will they do next with Susan Boyle? I would say album number 2 is a given,lol. Will they try original music, or maybe a CD of showtunes? Maybe covers are the way to go, look at how successful Glee has been.

  91. These are FANTASTIC numbers for Adam! Its a great start. As a fan I’m very happy with them. Plus, he came in #3 beating Shakira, Lady Gaga, Rhianna, etc. Its kind of funny he got beat by a Christmas album. :)

  92. I just did the math and corrected it. Of course, these numbers may change tomorrow because HDD numbers aren’t official. They’re usually in the 5-10K ballpark though. Adam didn’t really”beat” Gaga. Her albums combined sold 325K. (It’s just that she did her fans a favor and made a cheaper version available.)

  93. Great day for Adam and his fans!!!!! :

    – Performance at Ellen ´s show
    – Sales
    – Ads

    Bravo, Adam!!!!!!!!

    I think Adam’s numbers are good but they’re not amazing

    Well, then what can we say about the winner? Oh, yes, I know, he is a slow grower ;-)

  94. I think Adam’s numbers are good but they’re not amazing. He sold about 20K more than last year’s runner up and had an extra day and Black Friday factored in. I’m not even going to mention the promo from the AMA.

    Yes, and Kris sold 200 k less than the last winner. Idol is not the same anymore.

  95. those ”generic standards” as sung by bocelli have and are wiping the floor with all these ”original and edgy” singers this season, lolol… he’s currently number 1 on itunes, always in the top 5 it seems on amazon, so his appeal seems to cut across a wide swath in buyers…

  96. I think Adam’s numbers are good but they’re not amazing. He sold about 20K more than last year’s runner up and had an extra day and Black Friday factored in.

    I forgot about that extra day. Good point.

    ****
    Anyway, I would not be surprised if AI invited Susan Boyle to sing on Idol. Just as a one-off, not as a mentor … although that could be “entertaining” and she is clearly an expert at REALLY successfully singing cover songs!

  97. Maybe people believe in AT&T power vote NOW’ ¦ Unfortunately, the majority of the votes not always means the majority of the fans and now poor Kris knows better.

    Poor Kris? What does he have to feel poor about? The man is hardly asking for handouts. Can we not just enjoy the success both guys are having? No need to bite the back of the other in order to praise your fave, regardless of who that is.

    Honestly, this whole Kris/Adam saga reminds me of Ruben/Clay fan wars. And that’s not good for either guy OR their fans. JS

  98. Wow, great numbers! The # 1 and # 2 spots are for a very different style of music, and Adam is leading the pack for the edgier music!!

    I know that many people played the guessing game for the numbers this week, but I’ve never watched album sale numbers before, so I had no guess. But, based on the previous S8 Idol debut, this is a great number! More than twice the other number!! Not bad for the runner-up.

    I worry about Allison’s numbers, (how many people even know that her album is out now?), but hope that her great voice allows her to get to a 2nd album. Meanwhile, it looks like Adam is on track to get to a 2nd album, with these numbers, and that’s exciting, because I sure love FYE. I haven’t enjoyed an album this much for a long time. All of the TV performances of WWFM have been fantastic, and those, combined with upcoming promo events, (Conan, Kimmel, Barbara Walters, and whatever all is ahead), should help keep the sales up to a reasonable level, I hope. Time will tell how things shake out in the end, (not talking about shaking my ass to the music, though that’s happening too), but things are looking great so far!!

    Congratulations, Adam!

  99. Rhianna is the real puzzle to me.

    and I actually like that song of hers, “soldiers pull the trigger” and I think if she would have sung that song on the AMA’ she would have gotten a lot more positive attention..but she didnt and she sounded horrible.
    Tsk tsk.

  100. I can’t think of one single person (friend, relative or co-worker) of any age or demographic who would be happy if i game them a SuBo or Andrea Bocelli CD for Christmas. Nevertheless somebody is buying them. And both can sing much better than a lot of the young pop artists. I have nothing against them at all, but I wish more of the people who enjoy pop music would actually buy it rather than steal it.

    Maybe this doesn’t correlate, but in my teeny brain it seems like people not willing or able to pay a few bucks to buy a CD aren’t going to be shelling out the big bucks it takes to go to a concert either. The music business is so tough to get into and then you hear some of the singers live and they can’t even sing. That’s what kills me (not referring to Adam, that was a one time bad performance).

  101. No matter how you shake them these numbers are very good. Congratulations Adam. A couple of weeks ago people were saying that they expected you to clear about 100k, when you do almost double that, it’s gotta be good. I am not gonna spin it, coming in second to a phenom isn’t shabby. Combine that with the incredible adds for your latest song, I would say there are some corks popping somewhere.

    As for all of the other stuff Shakira, Leona, Rihanna, and Gaga are all over the place, so discounting Adam’s numbers is more about silly idol expectations than facts.

  102. Yeah I am sure that is also pissing off the established artist like Lady Gaga, Rhianna, Shakira, all being PWNd by the warbling old hag and the blind man and the backside of his career, when they are all suppose at the top of their game. Adam at least is new to the game and supposedly does not have that strong of a fan base so I think he’s happy with numbers. I know I am.

    Gaga had 2 albums in the top 10 for a 320K total, so I doubt she’s that upset, lol. As for the others, some of them are singles sellers, and all of them have been out a good while now. They’ve all beaten back the sophomore slump enough to survive another day. And, you see, that’s just it. History shows us that for many artists, the career debut will represent, more often than not, his/her best in terms of commercial success.

  103. Whew! I was holding my breath. I was afraid Adam wouldn’t break the 100K mark, but he got close to 200K, which is twice what I was expecting. I was really scared too after the AMAs, when so many people said they had cancelled their pre-orders and also said his career was over.

    Adam always knew he was polarizing, and many people knew he didn’t have mass appeal. With his stellar performances after the AMAs and articulate interviews, and in light of his decent sales despite the AMAs, I think Adam will continue to have decent sales.

    I am so happy and proud of Adam.

  104. yinyang
    12/01/2009 at 5:56 pm
    Wow, great numbers! The # 1 and # 2 spots are for a very different style of music, and Adam is leading the pack for the edgier music!!

    Totally!!

  105. These are very good numbers and a great starting point for Adam, I always knew he had the biggest and most commited fanbase in season 8 so now we can only hope his music will attract new people.

  106. Actually, well, technically speaking he is not an Opera singer. He is probably trained vocally but he sing ballads and Christmas standards, not Opera Arias’ ¦he doesnt perform in major Opera Houses

    That’s not true. Andrea Bocelli regularly sings operatic arias and have performed in a few operas, so that makes him an opera singer. Here he is singing one of the famous aria from Tosca –

    E lucevan le stelle – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSU2xnHN6Bo

    He has a nice voice, but it’s rather thin and lacking in power, and technically not very good. People buy his albums not because he is a great singer (his singing is fine if you are not too demanding), but for something else other than his singing, just like Susan Boyle actually. (I however appeared to have upset a few people here for saying out loud what his appeal actually is.)

  107. Well, this thread is about Adam, but I did predict Kris’s opening week would be the lowest of any Idol winner. Allison seems to be doing better than I predicted (I went with a lowball 35K). We’ll know tomorow.

  108. I do disagree the Andrea Bocelli is at bad slide of his career, as he is immensely popular.

    Also, people may not realize, his song may end up competing against TFM for Academy Award, as i heard it was submitted, it played over the credits of the disney film, A Christmas Carol, which is an immensely popular film.

    Songs are not eligible for an Oscar unless they were original for the film. Was the song Bocelli sang for A Christmas Carol original?

  109. Maybe covers are the way to go, look at how successful Glee has been.

    This is what truly worries me about my the music of my generation…
    ppl need to start writing songs that are as good as those covers…we need more original music that has quality..and we sure aint gonna get it with the likes of Miley Cyrus, Tailor Swift, Britiney Spears and the like

  110. I predicted 150-160K, so to me he did well. He’s in there with the top guys. I do think a case can be made either way… that he should have been a bit higher, OR lower. Either way, you can’t argue with beating the big dogs. The rest will be revealed with time.

    Good news on the WWFM adds! He needs to get into position to move as fast as possible in January. More adds is great.

  111. I think Adam’s numbers are good but they’re not amazing. He sold about 20K more than last year’s runner up and had an extra day and Black Friday factored in. I’m not even going to mention the promo from the AMA

    Actually there is not an extra day as Thanksgiving is in the week and stores are closed. It only had an extra day compared to previous black Friday week years. This mean that he had 6 days and so did everyone else. The only plus for him is that it was during Black Friday week. Usually artist who release Black Friday week have only 5 days because of Thanksgiving but it is offset that this week is the 3rd biggest sales week of the year. I think the week before X-mas is the biggest and the week before that the second biggest.

  112. BTW, with a couple of scheduled ABC appearances coming up, it doesn’t look like Adam is banned from ABC. I’m assuming he is still performing at the RNYE? I haven’t heard anyone talking about it. I’m still wondering why he isn’t booked for the Jingle Balls concerts. I thought it was because of the AMA debacle, but it sorta appears that is behind Adam.

  113. WWFM is up to #134 on iTunes up from the 160s this morning. Looks like Ellen gave it a boost. Yay for the sales and add increases today!

    As for Kris, I wonder why Clear Channel is so slow to add LLWD to their stations. They make up the majority of stations yet to add it.

    In other news, I am thrilled that Ryan Tedder and OneRepublic is not even in the top 50 albums this week.

  114. I can’t really claim to understand all that the numbers mean, but I hope Adam is happy with them and that it confirms for him that his voice, his vision, and how he “presents” himself (thinking back to his earlier tweet) DOES appeal to a helluva lot of people.

    I also hope the love that Ellen was palpably radiating out to him today, and the appreciation her studio audience gave him both when he interviewed and when he sang, gains him more new fans and more sales.

    He’ll get three more sales (!) from me, as I still have to buy my mom, my sister, and my best friend their CD’s for Christmas. (Already have mine.)

  115. No one can ever take sales numbers away from an Idol…and everyone of them is lucky that they were able to sell something. And its fun for AI fans who have and still have a horse in the race to have some kind of bragging rights about something. And yup Archie sold a ton last year…but he didn’t come close to Clay. And Cookie, he was phenomenal and ended up with a platinum album….but darn, Daughtry out sold him.

    I’m just glad somebody is really buying some albums and not everyone is illegally downloading. Based on what I am seeing from established stars of the music industry this year’s albums aren’t coming close to what they did last year or the year before. Carrie, may be one of the few whose new album is really selling gang busters.

    So…congrats to anyone who is selling anything…whether its a Christmas Album, a Wal-Mart only EP, or a re-issue with bonuses of an original album. Sales are sales and should be looked on as a good thing!

  116. “Susan Boyle’s new release ‘I Dreamed a Dream’  continues to top the charts and sell in record numbers around the world. According to her official website, her new release ‘I Dreamed a Dream’  has been purchased by over 2 million people worldwide within a week’s time.

    Along with topping the charts in the UK, Australia, and Ireland as well as becoming the largest selling debut of all-time in Britain, the ‘Britain’s Got Talent’  star has become No 1 on iTunes in France, Spain, Switzerland, Ireland and Japan.

    She is also well on her to becoming No 1 in the US and Canada, currently outselling stars such as Rihanna, Lady Gaga and Adam Lambert in both countries.”

  117. Actually there is not an extra day as Thanksgiving is in the week and stores are closed. It only had an extra day compared to previous black Friday week years.

    Just to clarify, there were many stores open in my area on Thanksgiving, and the on-line stores never close. So, in my opinion, Adam had one more day of sales.

  118. That’s not true. Andrea Bocelli regularly sings operatic arias and have performed in a few operas, so that makes him an opera singer. Here he is singing one of the famous aria from Tosca –

    E lucevan le stelle ‘“ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSU2xnHN6Bo

    Yes, but he is singing it in an outdoor venue, with amplification.
    His voice would not carry in an Opera House without a microphone and he has never performed in any Operas that I know of…that is why real Opera singers train for years to perfect their technique…
    that being said he does have a lovely tenor voice…it just doesnt have the loft and heft of an Operatic tenor.

  119. I am so happy with Adam’s sales. I’d like to see it hit the 200 mark but I’m happy where it stands. Until last week, I never believed he would sell more than Kris. Everything is a bonus now.

  120. so i wasn’t too bad off. i thought clay fans, i’m sorry i mean, adam fans, would buy 150,000-175,000. so 20,000 off isn’t too bad. i’m still expecting his drop next week to be 85% or maybe now 90%.

    so glad kris’s drop wasn’t so bad. hope he holds steady. probably around 20,000-25,000.

    i’m not expecting high numbers for allison. she will debut around 25,000-30,000. :(

  121. So’ ¦congrats to anyone who is selling anything’ ¦whether its a Christmas Album, a Wal-Mart only EP, or a re-issue with bonuses of an original album. Sales are sales and should be looked on as a good thing!

    Well said, Tess! *hi-fives all around*

  122. Actually there is not an extra day as Thanksgiving is in the week and stores are closed.

    It gives people an extra day to buy the album on iTunes/Amazon. But Black Friday is a much bigger deal than an extra day.

  123. Maybe people believe in AT&T power vote NOW’ ¦ Unfortunately, the majority of the votes not always means the majority of the fans and now poor Kris knows better.

    This again? We don’t know the vote totals, we don’t know the demographics, we don’t know how many “unique” voters either KA or AL had. It’s all speculation. At the end of the day, KA had more votes than AL. Doesn’t matter how many unique users there were. Those are the rules. Good rules, bad rules, thems still the rules.

    I voted for Adam for four hours, but you can’t take Kris’ win away from him. Why he’s sold so poorly so far, I don’t know. I haven’t bought the album, but it’s a nice album that should have broader appeal than its demonstrated thus far. I’m delighted with Adam’s sales, but to me its no longer a contest, and I hope Kris’ sales improve.

  124. So’ ¦congrats to anyone who is selling anything

    LOL good way of looking at it :)

  125. Gaga had 2 albums in the top 10 for a 320K total, so I doubt she’s that upset, lol. As for the others, some of them are singles sellers, and all of them have been out a good while now. They’ve all beaten back the sophomore slump enough to survive another day. And, you see, that’s just it. History shows us that for many artists, the career debut will represent, more often than not, his/her best in terms of commercial success.

    Really I will tell that to Kelly Clarkson, Pat Benatar, Black Eyed Peas…Oh so many others. Your comment relates to some not all artist so it really does not fly. I am not even going to get sucked in to the rest of your baiting because it is all perception and spin anyway. I am happy with Adam’s sales today.

  126. Actually there is not an extra day as Thanksgiving is in the week and stores are closed. It only had an extra day compared to previous black Friday week years.

    Not in my neck of the woods. Nothing is sacred anymore! Heh. Plus, an extra day of on-line shopping. The Net never takes a holiday.

  127. I predicted FYE sales would be “dandy” and gee wiz isn’t that just spot on what they are. Dandy indeed :-)

  128. History shows us that for many artists, the career debut will represent, more often than not, his/her best in terms of commercial success.

    Jon Bon Jovi begs to differ. When he was interviewed a few weeks ago he commented about the insane pressure on new artists to hit big out of the gate. They didn’t hit it “big” until their third album. Soooooo

  129. His voice would not carry in an Opera House without a microphone and he has never performed in any Operas that I know of’ ¦

    Wiki gives a list of operas he performed in –

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Bocelli

    For those who think he is highly regarded in opera world, read the criticisms.

  130. jpfan
    12/01/2009 at 6:10 pm

    Actually there is not an extra day as Thanksgiving is in the week and stores are closed.

    It gives people an extra day to buy the album on iTunes/Amazon. But Black Friday is a much bigger deal than an extra day.

    Ok whatever it has been proven that digital sales really don’t add up to much. Example David Cook sold 1.25 million copies of which only 150K where digital. That is only 12% of total sales. So based on that formula Adam sold roughly 3300 digital downloads on Thanksgiving. Not all that much.

  131. I voted for Adam for four hours, but you can’t take Kris’ win away from him. Why he’s sold so poorly so far, I don’t know. I haven’t bought the album, but it’s a nice album that should have broader appeal than its demonstrated thus far. I’m delighted with Adam’s sales, but to me its no longer a contest, and I hope Kris’ sales improve.

    Well, not to start a fan war or anything but I actually dont think Kris’s album is good and I was a fan of Kris on the show. I think he could have chosen much better songs, given his good musicianship skills.
    I didnt vote for him but I liked his performances except one..and I listened to his CD and I only liked one track…maybe ppl listened to the streaming and didnt like it either…I havent commented on this until now but I just wanted to give my POV.
    I like Kris’s style but I didnt think the songs were up to par when compared to Jason Maraz and John Mayer (who are of sorta in the same vein as he is)
    Adam’s album is more eclectic so there is bound to be something for everyone I think…
    just mho.

  132. “I may be alone in this, but I honestly think Adam’s album cover has hurt his sales more than the AMA’s. Face it, if you are a straight guy and not already a BIG Adam fan, you are going to be VERY hesitant to buy THAT album cover at Walmart. Despite the fact that Adam loves it, it is just too gay/cheesy for broad consumption by straight men.”

    Today, left of center in a SuBo type moment, I decided to buy Adam’s CD at Wal-Mart for my car.copy #2) The guy at the counter looks at the front, then looks at the back of the CD and says, “So this is a guy?” I said “yes and some damn fine music too.” I wanted to slap the smirk off his face, I can’t lie.

  133. Congratulations, Adam!!! A couple of weeks ago, predictions were 100K or less. It’s such a great album. Wonderful also that the adds are increasing!

    I was also wondering if there was historical data about Black Friday being huge for album sales. I know it’s huge for high-cost, once-in-a lifetime offers, but an album is something that you can purchase at any time. One doesn’t have to run out to purchase before they are gone or before the sale ends the next day. Also, regarding the extra day, when I’m with family on Thanksgiving, the last thing I think about is running to iTunes or Amazon. Also factor in that many people are on the road during that time. Just seems to me it would balance out.

  134. I predicted FYE sales would be ‘dandy’  and gee wiz isn’t that just spot on what they are. Dandy indeed

    Yep. You are right on the money…Adam is dandylicious LOL.

  135. ‘I may be alone in this, but I honestly think Adam’s album cover has hurt his sales more than the AMA’s. Face it, if you are a straight guy and not already a BIG Adam fan, you are going to be VERY hesitant to buy THAT album cover at Walmart. Despite the fact that Adam loves it, it is just too gay/cheesy for broad consumption by straight men.’ 

    I think we need to give straight males a little more credit than that. If the music’s good they’ll buy it.

  136. GaGa outsold Adam. By a lot. The fact that she had two versions, one of which benefits the old album rather than counting for the new one (since it includes both), is a technicality, it doesn’t change that her total is higher. It’s true that because of said technicality Adam’s chart position is higher, but in no way did he “outsell” or “beat” Lady GaGa. Just saying.
    His numbers are about what I expected, good but not great, all things considered. I think the adds WWFM got this week are much more important for his career than this opening number.

  137. Carrie’s numbers are just fantastic!!! I think it is safe to say she is the biggest star from AI at this point. Right now her album is ahead of Adams on itunes, and it has been out for three more weeks than his!! I wonder if maybe she will have bigger numbers than him next week?

  138. Carrie’s numbers are just fantastic!!! I think it is safe to say she is the biggest star from AI at this point. Right now her album is ahead of Adams on itunes, and it has been out for three more weeks than his!! I wonder if maybe she will have bigger numbers than him next week?

    She is also country music, not pop. I rank her behind Kelly, Cook and Adam as far as music that I like.

  139. I’m thrilled with Adam’s sales numbers for the week, and I think Adam is right on track for success. The album is strong, with lots of potential radio hits, and WWFM has been getting lots of adds in the last couple of days.
    The performances on the Early Show, Letterman, and Ellen, and the upcoming late-night gigs will expose him to more and more potential fans.
    I don’t necessarily think someone has to be a blazing success right out of the gate, and when I think about my favorite recording artists, it is rarely their first album that is their best. What I want is for Adam to do well enough to tour, and then to record a second album. Meanwhile, I’ll happily play FYE and watch him win hearts and minds one song at a time…

  140. wordnerdarchie
    12/01/2009 at 6:08 pm

    Actually there is not an extra day as Thanksgiving is in the week and stores are closed. It only had an extra day compared to previous black Friday week years.

    Just to clarify, there were many stores open in my area on Thanksgiving, and the on-line stores never close. So, in my opinion, Adam had one more day of sales.

    Not all and most people are home celebrating with their families I am sure very few are out shopping. Otherwise gee I am sure Thanksgiving would be the day to push sales and Not Black Friday.

  141. Jon Bon Jovi begs to differ. When he was interviewed a few weeks ago he commented about the insane pressure on new artists to hit big out of the gate. They didn’t hit it ‘big’  until their third album. Soooooo

    I tend to agree with you bridgeymah
    Kings of Leon, Muse, hmm…we could go on and on making this argument! #FactCheckFail

  142. I wonder if maybe she will have bigger numbers than him next week?

    She had a lot more sales the first week. She is an established Artist with many awards to her credit…and a very large, fervent, and vocal fan group. And she is a genre’ Artist that’s in a genre’ that still seems to sell albums not singles.

    Based on how much media hype and press and award shows and TV appearances and touring she has done….she better be a household name and selling a ton. If she isn’t then the world really is flat.

  143. Maybe people believe in AT&T power vote NOW’ ¦ Unfortunately, the majority of the votes not always means the majority of the fans and now poor Kris knows better

    Or maybe people believe in ‘power buying’ NOW ?

    LOL Adam’s fans, please, don’t mind me, I’m just kidding :) Happy for them both!

  144. Good numbers yes…….but fabulous numbers? No. I’m sorry but I firmly believe that the AMA’s cost him dearly in first week sales. With all these great appearances coming up, hopefully he can maintain momentum with consistent sales.

    Yeah for all the adds!! WWFM is a fabulous song and thank you to Pink for writing it and giving it to Adam to sing!!

  145. It’s not so bad, about par for the course.

    Hey, it’s not Leona Lewis! Dropping nearly 70% is BRUTAL.

    It isn’t bad, but my God, the Adam/Kris comparisons won’t stop any time soon, and Kris being 28 places behind Adam will kinda make the upcoming months painful for Kris fans. Not Adam’s fault at all, though.

    And yeah, Leona Lewis’s drop was pretty brutal.

    Speaking of Adam losing fans, I thought we almost lost my mom and aunt because of that performance. I made them listen to Soaked and that all changed. A testament to how amazing that song really is. And I’m surprised he’s held his grip on me. I almost completely dismissed Adam when he said he wanted to do electropop and be like Lady GaGa and Katy Perry. Yet somehow, knowing he would stick true to his word, I still bought his album, and even though I only kept 4 songs from it, I don’t regret it.

    But Jesus Christ, the numbers for Susan Boyle are still staggering to me. I actually like her voice, but I can’t picture it appealing to that many people o_O. I still love “I Dreamed A Dream”.

    I hope I’m not a 55-year-old in a 19-year-old body. I’ve been sounding old lately with my crotchety remarks towards GaGa and saying I liked SuBo’s voice.

  146. I may be alone in this, but I honestly think Adam’s album cover has hurt his sales more than the AMA’s. Face it, if you are a straight guy and not already a BIG Adam fan, you are going to be VERY hesitant to buy THAT album cover at Walmart. Despite the fact that Adam loves it, it is just too gay/cheesy for broad consumption by straight men

    I agree. I thought it was brand damaging (which I loved that phrase and agreed) and yeah, hurt some impulse buying. You kind of have to want that thing to buy it in a store and be okay with going through the checkout line with it.

    But anyhew, good sales by Adam. Not the bestest, but good. Now the test will be to see how big his drop is. I expect that it will be pretty big, given he won’t have Black Friday, that it’s, as I understand it, typically a slower week before the pre-xmas sales start the week after, he doesn’t have a lot of radio play either, though that is starting to ramp up well, it’s still in it’s nascent stages. Hopefully his other appearances and the beginning of radio play, will help. If not next week, the week after and going forward after that.

    As for Allison’s sales? Well she seemed to be doing well this am on iTunes (yay!) but no idea where she is at beyond that. Estimating for her? 35 maybe?

  147. Face it, if you are a straight guy and not already a BIG Adam fan, you are going to be VERY hesitant to buy THAT album cover at Walmart. Despite the fact that Adam loves it, it is just too gay/cheesy for broad consumption by straight men.’ 

    LOL yeah I think you are right…I actually flipped the cover for my CD and now have the picture used for the FYE single displayed on the front…
    the cover didnt shock me or offend me I actually still think that he looks pretty…but he looks more like a pretty girl rather than a pretty boy… and even though Im a straight female and i doesnt matter to me,
    still,
    there are ways to make him look pretty and alien-like without resorting to the androgyny thing and he should have considered other options, because I do think you make a very good point about straight males who otherwise like his singing style, not being comfortable walking around with that cover LOL…
    Adam is just too much of a guy to look like a girl anyways LOL
    he needs to just own his sexy manliness :)

    He sings ‘God Bless us Everyone’  over the closing credits.

    WAIT-you’re telling me thats the actual title of the song?
    ROFL…wow. They might as well have called it “plea for mass appeal and sales” or no I actually think that’s more subtle than the actual title! Haha

  148. A year ago, if you’d asked Adam if he’d be happy selling 196K albums in a week… whadya think he would’ve said?

    Awesome numbers. Job well done. I don’t feel the need to compare him to anyone, including SuBo and KA. So over that. I don’t care if he was over-hyped or under-promoted. I will never know if the AMAs hurt him or helped him, so there’s no need for me to consider it further. I don’t care to speculate on what sort of drop his numbers will see next week.

    I’m taking this at face value. JUST SHY OF TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND ALBUMS. Go Adam!

  149. She is also country music, not pop. I rank her behind Kelly, Cook and Adam as far as music that I like.

    Of course, haha, why would I rank by actual success, it should be by what you like! How silly of me.

  150. Jolene
    12/01/2009 at 6:23 pm

    GaGa outsold Adam. By a lot. The fact that she had two versions, one of which benefits the old album rather than counting for the new one (since it includes both), is a technicality, it doesn’t change that her total is higher.

    so I guess with your logic everyone who has albums out should really count all their albums and the subsequent sales that get a bump from the newer album to let everyone know how great they are really doing. So Carrie should count the sales bump for Some Hearts and Carnival Ride, Kelly should count her previous 3 albums sales bumps. Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way but I am sure many artist wish it would.

  151. I agree. I thought it was brand damaging (which I loved that phrase and agreed) and yeah, hurt some impulse buying. You kind of have to want that thing to buy it in a store and be okay with going through the checkout line with it.

    i could probably say the same thing for archies xmas cd.. its not gonna help the casual buyers at all… :\

  152. Based on how much media hype and press and award shows and TV appearances and touring she has done’ ¦.she better be a household name and selling a ton. If she isn’t then the world really is flat.

    Haha Tess oh the irony of saying someone should have huge sales from their hype. You crack me up! LOL

  153. History shows us that for many artists, the career debut will represent, more often than not, his/her best in terms of commercial success.

    Jon Bon Jovi begs to differ. When he was interviewed a few weeks ago he commented about the insane pressure on new artists to hit big out of the gate. They didn’t hit it ‘big’  until their third album. Soooooo

    The Boss also begs to differ. His first two albums didn’t sell all that well. Born To Run was his first hit album, and it was his third.

  154. i could probably say the same thing for archies xmas cd.. its not gonna help the casual buyers at all’ ¦ :\

    Really? Because I think it’s a cute cover, Archie looks like an elf! and at least it wouldn’t be embarrassing to buy it.

  155. Carrie even has her own Holiday special coming up, of course she is selling well. I give her credit, in her quiet way, she has taken over the country scene. How many CMAs has she hosted, now? I am in no way a country music fan, and have never bought any Carrie Underwood record, but she is a force.

    Regarding Adam’s cover, I am fine with it, but I think he is going to have to work twice as hard to sell it.

  156. I think we need to give straight males a little more credit than that. If the music’s good they’ll buy it.

    I disagree with you on that. My husband is a very evolved member of the male species and he told me that his album cover and his homoerotic performance both hurt his appeal with straight males. He doesn’t agree with it. He really likes Adam. But he’s a college baseball coach and hangs with 18-21 year olds all day long. And we’re in a very liberal area in California. Our county voted no on Prop 8…yay…(I’m very proud of that). But anyway… yeah…boys might be a little too shy to buy. They might buy a song here or there on iTunes, but when hubby polled the players during casual conversation there were some “Nos” and a few “Hell nos”.

    Oh…but those same boys would say the same thing about David Cook…so it might just be the Idol stigma. Spin it however you want!

  157. First — congrats to Adam for a great sales week.

    I think Adam’s numbers are good but they’re not amazing. He sold about 20K more than last year’s runner up and had an extra day and Black Friday factored in. I’m not even going to mention the promo from the AMA

    IMO these are amazing numbers — I expected 150K and thought that was optimistic. Also it was a 6 day week in the US.

    Yes, but he is singing it in an outdoor venue, with amplification. His voice would not carry in an Opera House without a microphone and he has never performed in any Operas that I know of’ ¦that is why real Opera singers train for years to perfect their technique’ ¦
    that being said he does have a lovely tenor voice’ ¦it just doesnt have the loft and heft of an Operatic tenor.

    Have you seen him live? His voice is stunning — I have no other word for it. I have been lucky enough to hear him live three times. I have also heard Luciano Pavarotti, Placido Domingo and Jos Carreras — and Bocelli is the equal to any of them. If you have the opportunity to hear him live — do it.

    He has recorded over 22 pop and classical albums, including seven complete operas, five of which have made it to the Top 10 on the Billboard 200 chart, and a record-setting 7 have made it to No. 1, on the US Classical albums charts. He has sold over 65 million albums worldwide, and is widely regarded as the most popular Italian singer in the world.

    Luciano Pavarotti said there was no finer tenor than Bocelli. I am with Pavarotti.

    And you’re right, he didn’t study opera — he was educated as a lawyer and practiced law before becoming a professional singer.

  158. [grin] So happy.

    Solid first-week numbers. Great album. Everyone floved his interviews (of which there were an insane number). Beautiful performances on Early Show, Letterman, and Ellen. Plenty of international commentary which indicated support of his original AMA performance and then transformed into notice and compliments of his music. LOTS of adds this week (31 at last count). And…lovely FYE vid going on sale on iTunes!

    All in all, a roller coaster ride that has ended on a beautiful note (all puns intended). :grin:

  159. and at least it wouldn’t be embarrassing to buy it.

    I’m just really curious as to why this statment is so oft repeated. Heck, I could care less what I take to a check-out counter…from sanitary napkins, to condoms, to dildos. If I’m so skeered that people are going to judge me because of what I buy…….’nuff said.

    I think the cover is great…And since I try not to judge a book by its cover, I won’t do that with a CD either.

  160. Not all and most people are home celebrating with their families I am sure very few are out shopping. Otherwise gee I am sure Thanksgiving would be the day to push sales and Not Black Friday.

    dhunken, touche’. That was a good comeback. :)
    I’m not one to go shopping on Thanksgiving, either, the movie theatres get my bucks.

  161. Luciano Pavarotti said there was no finer tenor than Bocelli. I am with Pavarotti.

    If you believe Pavarotti said that with any degree of sincerity…

  162. If you believe Pavarotti said that with any degree of sincerity’ ¦

    Cynicism….makes the world go round.

  163. I don’t feel the need to compare him to anyone, including SuBo and KA. So over that. I don’t care if he was over-hyped or under-promoted. I will never know if the AMAs hurt him or helped him, so there’s no need for me to consider it further. I don’t care to speculate on what sort of drop his numbers will see next week.

    I’m taking this at face value. JUST SHY OF TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND ALBUMS. Go Adam!

    I love this! Absolutely perfect post! :)

  164. so I guess with your logic everyone who has albums out should really count all their albums and the subsequent sales that get a bump from the newer album to let everyone know how great they are really doing. So Carrie should count the sale from Some Hearts and Carnival Ride, Kelly should count her previous 3 albums sales. Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way but I am sure many artist wish it would.

    This just tells me you have no idea what I’m talking about. Lady GaGa had two versions of her new album “The Fame Monster”. She was only supposed to have one – which was marketed as a re-release of “The Fame”, but later decided to view the 8 new songs as her sophmore album. She reached a compromise with her label, that allowed the release of the 8 new songs as an EP, alongside the deluxe re-release. The huge “bump” The Fame got this week is almost entirely made of deluxe copies of “The Fame Monster”. It’s still the new album, but it also includes the old one. It’s entirely different than your examples of old albums getting a bump when new ones come out, because this time the “old” album was sold because it included the new one.
    I hope the difference is clear. I thought this was public knowledge by now so I didn’t bother going into it with my first post.

  165. At first glance, Kris’ 59% drop is VERY good, but isn’t he buffered by Black Friday? Looks like it was a good idea for Kris to debut the week before Black Friday so the drop won’t stand out :) However, Leona and 50 Cent tanked….so apparently Black Friday isn’t a surefire buffer. Nonetheless, those are decent numbers for Kris, considering that he has the lowest debut of any winner.

    As for Adam, he definitely exceeded my expectations. I thought he’d do anywhere between 110K-160K. Chances are that he’ll do less than 196K, given HDD’s track record with Idol debuts–and their general wrongness (lol)–so my prediction won’t be THAT far off. But as others have suggested, the buzz and promo regarding Adam has been unprecedented and that coupled with Black Friday should have at least yielded a 250K debut (if not 300K). I didn’t take any of that into account (because I figured that this season just wasn’t that spectacular) which is why my prediction was so low. But maybe that AMA performance did more harm than good.

  166. I may be alone in this, but I honestly think Adam’s album cover has hurt his sales more than the AMA’s. Face it, if you are a straight guy and not already a BIG Adam fan, you are going to be VERY hesitant to buy THAT album cover at Walmart. Despite the fact that Adam loves it, it is just too gay/cheesy for broad consumption by straight men

    Looks like 54K units of FYE were sold at Wallmart — that isn’t bad. And every one of those CDs had that cover.

    Adam appears to have not done as well on iTunes where SuBo, Gaga, Meyer and Rihanna all outsold him. No one have to carry an iTunes cover to the checkout — so the cover would have little effect here.

    I think we need to give straight males a little more credit than that. If the music’s good they’ll buy it.

    ITA and recommend not using such broad brushes — all straight males are not alike and do not behave in the same way. Same for any other group.

    Take a look at album covers — most are forgettable, a few are great and a few of aweful — but at the end of the day, if the music is good it will sell. If I just want the cover, I can download it for free.

  167. Awesome week, Adam! This is a great foundation and I hope you’re happy as hell. Love listening to your cd, gonna go back to doing that right now!

  168. all being PWNd by the warbling old hag and the blind man and the backside of his career,

    Gee that’s a tad harsh. Get used to that “hag” and the “blind man” topping the charts. They look like they’re going to dominate sales until 2010. :)

  169. Really? Because I think it’s a cute cover, Archie looks like an elf! and at least it wouldn’t be embarrassing to buy it.

    Cute… maybe…. lol I have such issues with his cover, and im as big a fan as anyone.. The cover doesnt reflect the product inside. But enough about that. lol

    Go SuBo!

  170. f you believe Pavarotti said that with any degree of sincerity’ ¦

    Cynicism’ ¦.makes the world go round.

    Hardly cynicism. Anyone who knows anything about opera or opera singers would believe that that is anything but a bit of flummery by Pavarotti is to me ridiculous.

  171. Unfortunately, the reality is that there ARE many people out there that judge a book (or album) by its cover. True fans (and yes, this includes straight guys) of Adam could care less about his cover. But, for impulse buyers? I could see where they may pass up the album otherwise. Sad, but true.
    But regarding his numbers, I’m happy for Adam. I also have a strong feeling that WWFM will be a smash hit. Too bad it wasn’t his debut single, it would have been peaking in spins about this time, which would have further boosted his sales.

  172. It isn’t bad, but my God, the Adam/Kris comparisons won’t stop any time soon, and Kris being 28 places behind Adam will kinda make the upcoming months painful for Kris fans. Not Adam’s fault at all, though.

    I don’t know that the next few weeks are going to be all that rosy for Adam’s fans either. His sales fell a lot towards the end of last week and if you look at iTunes now, his album has plummeted while Subo, lady Gaga, Carrie et al have all stayed up there.

    That tells me that Adam’s rabid fan base has bought all their copies and no one else is all that interested. It could still turn around for him if he has a hit, but the next few weeks will be pretty brutal I think.

    Kris’s numbers are terrible too. He had less hype and less money spent on him but still – that’s just a big disappointment for Jive. I feel bad for him because he’s a sweetie and a classy guy.

    It’s hard for me to feel sorry for Adam. I’m so sick of hearing that people aren’t buying his record because they’re homophobes. It never seems to occur to Adam’s fans that they might be biased about his music and that it just might not be appealing to people. (I think FYE and the new one are horrible songs and that has nothing to do with sexuality).

  173. Unfortunately, the reality is that there ARE many people out there that judge a book (or album) by its cover. True fans (and yes, this includes straight guys) of Adam could care less about his cover. But, for impulse buyers? I could see where they may pass up the album otherwise. Sad, but true.

    Exactly.

  174. Of course, haha, why would I rank by actual success, it should be by what you like! How silly of me.

    My point was she is in a different genre. Country has a much large audience than pop. If you are going to compare Adam, compare him to other pop singers from idol.

  175. [laugh] People are now dissing Bocelli??!!

    The man has an absolutely lovely voice. Doesn’t have to be your cuppa. And no matter what crappy breaks he got in the general life department, he has been singing beautifully and hustling for years.

    I wish him nothing but chart success and happiness.

  176. Cute’ ¦ maybe’ ¦. lol I have such issues with his cover, and im as big a fan as anyone.. The cover doesnt reflect the product inside. But enough about that. lol

    Well I feel ya from one fan to another disappointed in our faves covers, but as a non-fan, I think it’s fine and isn’t off-putting at all. And at least there’s that. At the worst it’s dull.

    . His sales fell a lot towards the end of last week and if you lok at iTunes now, his album has plummeted while Subo, lady Gaga, Carrie et al have all stayed up there.

    That tells me that Adam’s rabid fan base has bought all their copies and no one else is all that interested. It could still turn around for him if he has a hit, but the next few weeks will be pretty brutal I think.

    I think that’s a pretty fair assesment, so I think next week is going to see a BIIIGG drop for Adam. Kris? I don’t know, beyond a drop as well, how much? No idea, but at least Kris has a single doing fairly well and some decent airplay with it to give it some legs, plus tons of promos.

    I think both guys are looking at some some weeks ahead of them. I hope they can both do fairly well next week and get those pre-xmas sales numbers up!

  177. ‘I may be alone in this, but I honestly think Adam’s album cover has hurt his sales more than the AMA’s. Face it, if you are a straight guy and not already a BIG Adam fan, you are going to be VERY hesitant to buy THAT album.’ 

    I think we need to give straight males a little more credit than that. If the music’s good they’ll buy it.

    ITA! How many straight males bought the Poison album- back in the 80s? I guess they could always download the cd. Most men don’t like to shop anyways.

    It’s hard to spin this to look bad. Adam was #3 this week! (over Gaga and Rihanna) He sold over twice as much as this season’s AI winner. He sold more than the runner-up from last year. I’m thrilled with FYE’s position and Adam’s sale’s numbers! Way to go bb!

  178. What can we expect for drop off on sales next week for ADam? How much did Archie drop off last year in the second week?

  179. Normal drop off is 60% for an album’s second week. But albums with huge pre sales tend to drop off more than that. Hard to say though because promo counts as well.

    HDD will come up with their predictions for this week’s sales tomorrow.

  180. It isn’t bad, but my God, the Adam/Kris comparisons won’t stop any time soon, and Kris being 28 places behind Adam will kinda make the upcoming months painful for Kris fans. Not Adam’s fault at all, though.

    This is Kris’s second week out there – comparing Adam’s first to Kris’s second is apples to oranges. I think Kris’s album has legs, as he didn’t have as big a drop as some of the others who debuted last week (Leona Lewis’s numbers are really bad). We don’t yet know how Adam’s album will fare once the rabid fan base has finished their buying. And Adam is at the disadvantage of not having a big song out there yet while I think Kris is starting to gain some recognition with LLWD at #19 on HAC and in the 30s on CHR.

  181. Really? Because I think it’s a cute cover, Archie looks like an elf! and at least it wouldn’t be embarrassing to buy it.

    I guess straight guys would????

  182. Well I feel ya from one fan to another disappointed in our faves covers, but as a non-fan, I think it’s fine and isn’t off-putting at all. And at least there’s that. At the worst it’s dull.

    thanks. heh (ill agree with dull)

  183. Lady Gaga still outsold Adam. Many people bought the Fame Monster Delux version which included the 8 new songs and others bought the EP with only the 8 songs. She sold close to 350 albums plus she is still on top of Itunes where Adam has dropped way down. I think Adam is going to have a huge drop in sales next week where Lady Gaga will keep selling as will Carrie Underwood. I am somewhat surprised to see Allison in the top 10 on Itunes. I am thinking she just might sell more than Adam next week and Kris dropping 59% is not good. Go Allison!! Everyone was talking about how low they thought her sales would be. Wouldn’t it be a hoot if she outsold Kris.

  184. How many straight males bought the Poison album- back in the 80s? I guess they could always download the cd. Most men don’t like to shop anyways

    Even Poison didn’t look at feminine and spacey as Adam’s cover does, and also if there are lots more of people looking the same way, it doesn’t matter as much. Adam’s album sticks out, and not in a good way, would have then, does so even more now because covers are not looking like what they did in the ’80s. And yeah, let’s just discount possible sales of men buying in a store, because they don’t like to shop or can shop online.

    Anyhew, it’s done and over and it’s impact is what it is.

  185. What do you think the chances are of Allison beating Kris 1st week numbers? Pretty slim I would guess, but wouldn’t that be something.

  186. [laugh] People are now dissing Bocelli??!!

    The man has an absolutely lovely voice. Doesn’t have to be your cuppa. And no matter what crappy breaks he got in the general life department, he has been singing beautifully and hustling for years.

    I wish him nothing but chart success and happiness.

    boggles the mind, doesn’t it? he and suebo are deserving of every bit of ink that will be used on them in the press this week… what they have done is truly phenomenal in this age of flash and trash and autotune and youth culture seemingly driving trends and musical tastes… the music biz is big enough to accommodate them, and the fans who love what they bring to the table… the only people they may be offending with their placement atop itunes, amazon and billboard are those with a ”too cool for school” mindset, or those whose faves just didn’t have the muscle to outsell them… to the victor goes the spoils, and those two are the king and queen of the music biz this week, and possibly for a few weeks more.

  187. Guys, let me be clear since I’ve been quoted a few times here.

    I LOVE Adam’s music and follow everything he does. However, as a straight male, the album cover seriously makes me wince. BTW, there is NO comparison between this and Poison’s album cover.

    The Poison album cover looks like rocker dudes in make-up. Also, we knew those guys weren’t gay and were getting all the babes we would never get.

    We know Adam is gay and, frankly, his album cover makes him look very feminine. Not only that, it’s just a BAD picture. As a straight male, I don’t care what your sexual preference is, but I prefer you not smash it in my face. For me, that album cover does that.

    So, as a BIG Adam fan, if it bothers me, I’m sure it REALLY bothers casual male buyers.

    The worst part is that he had so many other AMAZING PICTURES he could have gone with and, IMHO, he chose the worst one.

    P.S., I still bought the album and love it.

  188. Really? Because I think it’s a cute cover, Archie looks like an elf! and at least it wouldn’t be embarrassing to buy it.

    I guess straight guys would????

    Not for xmas music. If a guy is buying xmas music, and not some pop/rock thing. Xmas stuff has an expected level of cheese. And looking like an elf goes along with it being an xmas album, so it’s not off-putting and weird. It’s appropriate and at the least, dull.

  189. I’ll add to this “1st album isn’t always the highest selling”discussion.

    Led Zeppelin.

    Highest selling album was the fourth. And no I don’t know how to make those crazy symbols. :)

  190. I’m not too optimistic about Allison’s number. Isn’t iTunes ranking based on daily sales? She might sell well today, but it tends to drop after a few days.

  191. What do you think the chances are of Allison beating Kris 1st week numbers? Pretty slim I would guess, but wouldn’t that be something.

    Unless there was some huge marketng campaign that I never saw I don’t see this happening. I love Allison, and I’m very happy for her that she was in Top 10 on iTunes but Kris actually had 2 albums in the Top 10 shortly after his release as well.

  192. Good numbers yes’ ¦’ ¦.but fabulous numbers? No. I’m sorry but I firmly believe that the AMA’s cost him dearly in first week sales.

    Okay, here’s what confuses me about this: Adam sold more than twice as many in his first week than Kris, the winner. And he had virtually no air play, so not a lot of people outside the Idol bubble could have been buying Adam’s album based on newfound knowledge of his music. So why would you ever conclude that he could have sold still *more* albums, had he not done the AMA performance?

    Yes, there have been two previous seasons where a runner-up outsold the winner. But in those cases, they outsold the winner by only a small amount….. Not even by 10 percent or by 25 percent or by 50 percent, let alone more than *double.* ….

    And in both of those cases, the non-winner finalists that outsold the winners (by a bit) also *did get a lot more hype than the winner after the contest, much like this year. Clay, like Adam, got a Rolling Stone cover; he got a major Diane Sawyer interview; etc. Daughtry got quite a bit of coverage for being cheated out of his title, for having overtures made to him by established bands, etc. ….

    So, since they outsold their winners only by a marginal amount, what in the world makes this year so different that the runner-up would be expected to sell, like, *three* times what the winner sold? (… because he *did* sell considerably more than twice what Kris sold — so the next stop is obviously *three* times….)

    Do you seriously believe that having a bunch of *pictures* of Adam out there would make tons of people fork over money to buy his *cd*, even though they hadn’t heard it? Because I truly can’t imagine that seeing pictures of somebody or reading tabloid stories about him kissing his boyfriend would spur a lot of people to actually buy a cd! Do you think that because of Adam’s extra publicity (very little of which has been about his music, and a ton of which has been about his being gay, which I don’t necessarily think sells music!) his Idol fans have been more likely to buy his album than Kris’s have been to buy his? Do you maybe think that Kris got so little publicity that people don’t know he has an album out? — But even if they only have seen *Adam’s* publicity, surely Idol fans who would like the winner’s cd should realize that, if Adam’s got an album coming, out, Kris probably does, too, so they should check …

    Seriously, I’m totally baffled by why you would think this. Could you explain more what you’re thinking?

  193. Good numbers yes’ ¦’ ¦.but fabulous numbers? No. I’m sorry but I firmly believe that the AMA’s cost him dearly in first week sales.

    Okay, here’s what confuses me about this: Adam sold more than twice as many in his first week than Kris, the winner. And he had virtually no air play, so not a lot of people outside the Idol bubble could have been buying Adam’s album based on newfound knowledge of his music. So why would you ever conclude that he could have sold still *more* albums, had he not done the AMA performance?

    Yes, there have been two previous seasons where a runner-up outsold the winner. But in those cases, they outsold the winner by only a small amount….. Not even by 10 percent or by 25 percent or by 50 percent, let alone more than *double.* ….

    And in both of those cases, the non-winner finalists that outsold the winners (by a bit) also *did get a lot more hype than the winner after the contest, much like this year. Clay, like Adam, got a Rolling Stone cover; he got a major Diane Sawyer interview; etc. Daughtry got quite a bit of coverage for being cheated out of his title, for having overtures made to him by established bands, etc. ….

    So, since they outsold their winners only by a marginal amount, what in the world makes this year so different that the runner-up would be expected to sell, like, *three* times what the winner sold? (… because he *did* sell considerably more than twice what Kris sold — so the next stop is obviously *three* times….)

    Do you seriously believe that having a bunch of *pictures* of Adam out there would make tons of people fork over money to buy his *cd*, even though they hadn’t heard it? Because I truly can’t imagine that seeing pictures of somebody or reading tabloid stories about him kissing his boyfriend would spur a lot of people to actually buy a cd! Do you think that because of Adam’s extra publicity (very little of which has been about his music, and a ton of which has been about his being gay, which I don’t necessarily think sells music!) his Idol fans have been more likely to buy his album than Kris’s have been to buy his? Do you maybe think that Kris got so little publicity that people don’t know he has an album out? — But even if they only have seen *Adam’s* publicity, surely Idol fans who would like the winner’s cd should realize that, if Adam’s got an album coming, out, Kris probably does, too, so they should check …

    Seriously, I’m totally baffled by why you would think this. Could you explain more what you’re thinking?

  194. it would have been peaking in spins about this time, which would have further boosted his sales.

    But sales go on for ad infinitum. If someone buys an album today, or next week or next month it still counts the same revenue wise. Heck Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon is ranked about 200 on I-tunes (last time I checked) and that album came out in 1974 or something. Gee wizz…it’s been selling for 35 years.

    So sales are sales no matter when….actually I’d be very happy if Adam’s sales spread out over a year….that would mean he is gaining new listeners….and that is the “real” goal of all Artists.

  195. ITA! How many straight males bought the Poison album- back in the 80s?

    Completely different, it was another time, the fashion was different, Freddie Mercury was walking around in a MV wearing a skirt, etc. I agree with the person who said the cover hurts him more than the AMA did. The “give straight men more credit” thing is pretty naive.

    And the problem isn’t only the gay or feminine factor, if you will, but the cover isn’t well done. It’s just the bad kind of weird. I’m a girl, hell, I love gay porn, and if I didn’t know how amazing Adam’s voice is I wouldn’t buy the album. And all my IRL gay friends agreed. Just being honest here.

  196. I’m not sure where to mention this (hope it’s okay to post here):
    FYE video is at the VH1 website. Fresh New Music: Adam Lambert

    Congrats to Adam on making the list at number 3. Yay!

  197. Tess
    and at least it wouldn’t be embarrassing to buy it.

    I’m just really curious as to why this statment is so oft repeated. Heck, I could care less what I take to a check-out counter’ ¦from sanitary napkins, to condoms, to dildos. If I’m so skeered that people are going to judge me because of what I buy’ ¦’ ¦.’nuff said.

    I think the cover is great’ ¦And since I try not to judge a book by its cover, I won’t do that with a CD either.

    LOL! I’m picturing your shopping cart now, and I’d throw in a red currant candle, too, just to round out the collection!
    I agree with you, and I feel the same way. How many people have decided to NOT buy some music they’re interested in, based on disliking the cover?

  198. His sales fell a lot towards the end of last week and if you lok at iTunes now, his album has plummeted while Subo, lady Gaga, Carrie et al have all stayed up there.

    That tells me that Adam’s rabid fan base has bought all their copies and no one else is all that interested. It could still turn around for him if he has a hit, but the next few weeks will be pretty brutal I think.

    FYE is at #31 and #52 right now. At this time last week Kris’ album (not albums) was in the 90s. (Was there a deluxe and regular version?) It looks like there are several Christmas albums ahead of him. It’s not like the album is plummeting. The deluxe version stayed in the top 20 for a week. I can’t remember-but I’m thinking Kris’ was out of the top 20 pretty fast!
    All idol albums are bought primarily by their hardcore fans first. But not all sales of FYE or KA are AI fans.

  199. I am a straight male and think Adamms album cover is one of the coolest original ones I have seen.

  200. What do you think the chances are of Allison beating Kris 1st week numbers? Pretty slim I would guess, but wouldn’t that be something

    I don’t think that would happen, but I have honestly thought that maybe Danny could. On tour, he was often the second favorite. I hope he doesn’t, but it is in the realm of possibilites. Maybe?

  201. In the history of American Idol, except for Kelly Clarkson, no Idol album has ever surpassed the sales of the debut album. That are many reasons for that. The numbers for Leona Lewis’ second album are normal for the follow up album of a reality TV contestant. Usually the 2nd album does 1/2 the sales of the first.

    Congrats to SuBo for breaking Aiken’s 600K opening week record.
    I didn’t think anyone could ever come near those numbers.

  202. Kanadie Bonttell
    12/01/2009 at 7:19 pm
    I am a straight male and think Adamms album cover is one of the coolest original ones I have seen.

    Yay! Thank you! I don’t think any group should be “over generalized!”

  203. the only people they may be offending with their placement atop itunes, amazon and billboard are those with a ‘ too cool for school’  mindset, or those whose faves just didn’t have the muscle to outsell them’ ¦ to the victor goes the spoils, and those two are the king and queen of the music biz this week, and possibly for a few weeks more.

    ^^^ Amen! Good post! ggdoorsfan

    Weighing in on the 1st album sells the most argument, that would be true only for those who gain instant celebrity though Idol or any other means such as the old one hit wonders back in the day when you had to buy the whole album, it’s certainly not the rule as most artists need time to build a fan base.

    Just the other day Bon Jovi mentioned that the Idol “kids” have it rough as they are expected to come right out of the box as “winners:” when it actually takes most artists a couple of albums before they begin to hit their stride.

    I recently listened to the first two albums of the Beatles; they were good but much better later on.

    P.S. Carrie Underwood hasn’t surpassed her first CDs sales? This surprises me, she’s making millions.

  204. Again, my congratulations to Adam. As we know from recent experience, Adam comes out of the gate strong or should I say stronger than Kris. From here on out, it’s about endurance, long-term sales, and radio-friendly singles to keep the album viable. I wouldn’t discount anyone at this point.

  205. Completely different, it was another time, the fashion was different, Freddie Mercury was walking around in a MV wearing a skirt, etc. I agree with the person who said the cover hurts him more than the AMA did. The ‘give straight men more credit’  thing is pretty naive.

    Indeed, and I think the cover hurt after the AMA controversy because there was such a spotlight on Adam, if people were in the stores, maybe curious and seeing what this guy was about, that cover was not going to be a good selling point. It would be more like two strikes.

    I mean we’re not talking fans, we’re talking the casual and curious, that cover on top of that AMA performance? bad marketing either way.

    But again, it is what it is. Not like they can recall all the cds and restock the shelves with CD covers that don’t suck, like the FYE single even would have been a much better choice. But I’m not surprised to hear that the new single cover for WWFM will be by Sebree, because the label was not happy with the Warwick Saint stuff, which included the cover picture. I think the Sebree stuff is stiff and cliche, but at least some of it isn’t as off-putting as most of the Warwick Saint stuff.

  206. Completely different, it was another time, the fashion was different, Freddie Mercury was walking around in a MV wearing a skirt, etc. I agree with the person who said the cover hurts him more than the AMA did. The ‘give straight men more credit’  thing is pretty naive.

    And the problem isn’t only the gay or feminine factor, if you will, but the cover isn’t well done. It’s just the bad kind of weird. I’m a girl, hell, I love gay porn, and if I didn’t know how amazing Adam’s voice is I wouldn’t buy the album. And all my IRL gay friends agreed. Just being honest here.

    My husband would buy Adam’s cd in a minute. No one cares what is in your cart at Walmart or Target. Men buy tampons for the women in their life all the time.

    Hell, if you are that freaked out about it, go to the self check-out lanes at Walmart. There are about 20 of them.

    And my RL gay friends would and have bought this cd. They aren’t freaked out about a stupid cover. Why would they be?

    I wonder at the maturity level of people who worry what the kid cashier is thinking of them at Target! Who cares?

  207. FYE is at #31 and #52 right now. At this time last week Kris’ album (not albums) was in the 90s. (Was there a deluxe and regular version?) It looks like there are several Christmas albums ahead of him. It’s not like the album is plummeting. The deluxe version stayed in the top 20 for a week. I can’t remember-but I’m thinking Kris’ was out of the top 20 pretty fast!

    Well so maybe Adam’s drop will be 60% as well. But point being it’s dropped against GaGa, SuBo and Rhianna, so their sales next week will be stronger than Adams and their drops won’t be as much. Heck, I don’t think SuBo will suffer too much of a drop if Boccelli is a good indicator.

  208. My husband would buy that cd in a minute. No one cares what is in your cart at Walmart or Target. Men buy tampons for the women in their life all the time.

    Hell, if you are that freaked out about it, go to the self check-out lanes at Walmart. There are about 20 of them.

    I wonder at the maturity level of people who wonder what the kid cashier is thinking of them at Target! Who cares?

    YUP!!

  209. In the history of American Idol, except for Kelly Clarkson, no Idol album has ever surpassed the sales of the debut album. That are many reasons for that. The numbers for Leona Lewis’ second album are normal for the follow up album of a reality TV contestant. Usually the 2nd album does 1/2 the sales of the first.

    This. For idols, that first album is so front loaded with sales based on sentiment and not the music that often, the loss of peeps who were disappointed with the REAL idol (as opposed to the ideal) and/or have moved on to the new flavor of the month always hit the next album hard. That’s just the way it is. Plus, unless the 1st album blows up, they are not likely to get this kind of rollout and media attention the second time around.

    That said, nobody’s era is over yet, so who knows where these guys will end up positioned for round 2, assuming they get one!

  210. Allison’s album has already dropped back to #9 from #8, so I kind of doubt she’ll pass Kris. Also, none of her songs are in the top 100; I haven’t checked below that since this morning, when I didn’t see any in the top several hundred I checked. I just hope for her sake that the brief appearance in the top 10 sparks some radio interest in her.

  211. Yes, there have been two previous seasons where a runner-up outsold the winner. But in those cases, they outsold the winner by only a small amount’ ¦.. Not even by 10 percent or by 25 percent or by 50 percent, let alone more than *double.* ‘ ¦.

    Huh? Clay’s 1st week was 613k, Ruben’s was 417k. So Clay outsold Ruben by 47% and the difference was almost 200k.

    Clay and Ruben both got Rolling Stone covers by the way (Ruben’s was agreed to because they were determined to get Clay) and they had a shared AMA performance. In those days 19 was all about making sure the winner got at least as much if not more exposure than the runner up.

    Congrats to SuBo for breaking Aiken’s 600K opening week record.

    What record is that? I’m 99% sure Clay didn’t have the best debut sales of all time. I remember some press release that had conditions including solo male and it made mention of a rapper, maybe Snoop Dogg?

  212. My husband would buy that cd in a minute. No one cares what is in your cart at Walmart or Target. Men buy tampons for the women in their life all the time.

    heh, you can talk about 200k buyers who didn’t care about the cover. It doesn’t mean A LOT of people cared enough to NOT buy it. And no, I’m not talking about fans afraid of a cashier, this has nothing to do with it. I’m pretty sure nobody is afraid of any cashier. LOL I’m talking about casual buyers walking around Walmart. If covers/fonts, etc, weren’t important people wouldn’t study them for years and wouldn’t be paid a huge amount of money to make them appealing to as many people as possible.

  213. Yes, and Kris sold 200 k less than the last winner. Idol is not the same anymore

    Looking at it from this perspective…..ouch!

  214. I must be a totally weird shopper. If I were to go into a record store to buy an album I would have a pretty clear picture of what I intended to buy….either an artist I liked, or music I liked. I could give a rat’s ass what the cover looked like. And I have never in my entire life bought an album because I “liked” the cover.

    People don’t browse music…..sure they might not have an intended purchase but there has to be something in their head…either someone has told them about an Artist, or they heard a song on last night’s TV program, or they read a review in the morning paper.

    Well, this is just me…..there are probably tons of people who walk into a store and because they like the color blue they buy all the albums with blue covers. Or, if they don’t like Portrait type covers…they’ll pass up those albums. Yup…people are pretty weird in their buying habits.

  215. If you truly love the music of an artist, you will never be ashamed to buy the music. I walked into Target, straight back to the music section and picked up Adam and Lady Gaga (the deluxe version) and proudly carried my selections to the checkout!!!

    I took them to work (in my office full of conservative Christians) put it into my CD player and the cover in full view on my desk!! Aint no shame in my game!!

    Let me also add that I listened to it on vacation with other relatives in the car…Love it!!

  216. I’m pretty sure Kris’s album didn’t hit the 90’s at iTunes until today. True, it fell fast, but I believe it was lingering in the 30’s. But I have no proof, just my memory.

  217. A few pages back, someone mentioned taking cd’s back they were given for Christmas. That brought a question to my mind…how *are* returns handled as far as sales numbers go? I’m sure the number would be pretty low, but just curious if those numbers that are returned are tallied as negative numbers for sales?

    As far as SuBo sales go, I’m not surprised really. There are quite a lot of seniors out there and they have money!

  218. Yes, there have been two previous seasons where a runner-up outsold the winner. But in those cases, they outsold the winner by only a small amount’ ¦.. Not even by 10 percent or by 25 percent or by 50 percent, let alone more than *double.* ‘ ¦.

    So, since they outsold their winners only by a marginal amount, what in the world makes this year so different that the runner-up would be expected to sell, like, *three* times what the winner sold? (‘ ¦ because he *did* sell considerably more than twice what Kris sold ‘” so the next stop is obviously *three* times’ ¦.)

    Lucy, you stated it perfectly. The numbers are in context of the season and of the music industry of the time. And they are GREAT first week numbers. The challenge now will be maintaining them, obvs not at 200k, but at something sustainable instead of disappearing. And for THAT to happen WWFM needs to gain traction on radio… (sigh. Still sad about the abandonment of FYE, okay. They’re like, abandoning all the Warwick Saint stuff, and they’re not pimping the awesome video for FYE T.T)

    I think the AMAs were a lost opportunity in that he could’ve gained a lot of new fans, but didn’t. I think he lost a few Idol fans (but not a lot b/c they’re loyal), gained a few new fans and overall didn’t change his opening week numbers much. So it didn’t help or hurt.

  219. In the history of American Idol, except for Kelly Clarkson, no Idol album has ever surpassed the sales of the debut album. That are many reasons for that. The numbers for Leona Lewis’ second album are normal for the follow up album of a reality TV contestant. Usually the 2nd album does 1/2 the sales of the first.

    How about Carrie? She have a shot?

    My husband would buy that cd in a minute. No one cares what is in your cart at Walmart or Target. Men buy tampons for the women in their life all the time.

    If doing those things wasn’t such a big deal that embarrassed guys, it wouldn’t be such a standard joke about being forced to to it and embarrassed. And yeah guys will do it for the women in their life, but they pretty much do it because they have motivation to do so. Casual or curious buyers aren’t those people. Their motivation level isn’t what will happen if they fail to buy embarrassing items.

  220. I guess I’m in the camp of ‘good, not great’ . On the plus side Adam came in at roughly the same level of sales as last year’s very popular runner-up despite a 13% drop in overall music sales. On the minus side, it took an unprecedented amount of (expensive) promotion to accomplish that. One of the advantages for a record label signing an AI alum is that they are supposed to be able to generate a certain amount of sales solely from their AI exposure, thus making them more profitable much sooner. That didn’t happen here, or at least not to the extent it did last year.

    I’d say the best news for Adam today is the nice numbers for CHR adds. Radio exposure is going to be critical for maintaining FYE sales through the brutal January music slump. Very good indeed that WWFM is getting a better reception from radio than his previous three singles did.

  221. Okay, here’s what confuses me about this: Adam sold more than twice as many in his first week than Kris, the winner. And he had virtually no air play, so not a lot of people outside the Idol bubble could have been buying Adam’s album based on newfound knowledge of his music. So why would you ever conclude that he could have sold still *more* albums, had he not done the AMA performance?

    If he had performed WWFM as he did these past 3 appearances and hadn’t been totally OTT on the AMA’s, I totally believe he would have sold to more casual viewers who watched the show and went WOW! that guy has pipes, think I’ll check him out rather than OMG that guy is freaking me out. No way I’ll buy that CD. Nobody will ever convince me that if the AMA’s had gone well without all the controversy, Adam wouldn’t have sold more.

  222. People don’t browse music’ ¦..sure they might not have an intended purchase but there has to be something in their head’ ¦either someone has told them about an Artist, or they heard a song on last night’s TV program, or they read a review in the morning paper.

    I can spend hours browsing music. And so can my music loving-friends…

  223. No one else has pointed this out so I will.

    I have no problem with interviewers asking Kris about Adam…but has no one noticed that Adam is NEVER asked about Kris, or that he’s never even mentioned?

    On-topic in that there is a discussion re: publicity and marketing.

  224. What do you think the chances are of Allison beating Kris 1st week numbers? Pretty slim I would guess, but wouldn’t that be something

    I don’t think that would happen, but I have honestly thought that maybe Danny could. On tour, he was often the second favorite. I hope he doesn’t, but it is in the realm of possibilites. Maybe?

    I wondered about this exact thing back in the summer after I saw how popular Danny was in Memphis (right across the river from Arkansas)and on the tour in general. I wondered if Danny could be #2 in sales after he announced he was doing country.
    Country Music is a different world. I’ve been saying that for months!

    Nobody will ever convince me that if the AMA’s had gone well without all the controversy, Adam would have sold more.

    Nobody will ever convince me that they know for sure if sales were changed for the better or worse after the AMAs. No One knows the answer to this!

    I’m pretty sure Kris’s album didn’t hit the 90’s at iTunes until today

    Nope. I saw it there before FYE was released.

  225. Adam is performing a mini outdoor concert for Jimmy Kimmel. I didn’t know that show did that. Will it be televised? Link

  226. Fact or fiction, who can say, but I read on twitter an Adam Fan bought 500 or so copies of FYE. The over-invested fans know who they are and what they bought. Perhaps they’re online here rejoicing in Adam’s good numbers. It’s their money, their choice, but over-inflating numbers is not going to help the artist in the long run. No excuses for Kris, but he does have a college-aged fanbase who are struggling financially for the most part and would perfer to download his CD free. I have also read that on twitter, as well. I certainly do not doubt that fans that are invested and have the financial means were buying FYE ten at a clip. No need to deny it. LOL

  227. How about Carrie? She have a shot?

    Some Hearts (album #1 for Carrie) has sold almost 7 million copies. Carnival Ride (album #2) is about to pass 3 million sold. The difference other than sales climate is that Carrie didn’t have a crossover hit with her sophomore album.

    Although Cowboy Casanova has a chance of crossing over on Hot AC right now Carrie severed relations with Arista New York in late 2008/early 2009 (probably over the remix issue – she refuses to do it and had a huge fight with Arista New York when they tried to remix Before He Cheats – she won that fight). That will make it a LOT more difficult for her to cross over on CHR and IMO it’s not going to happen.

    So because of that, Carrie’s resistance to certain marketing tools (like Twitter), and sales being even further down I don’t think Play On has a chance of doing Some Hearts-like numbers either. If Play On even sells 2 million I’ll be happy as a clam. But honestly I think Carrie’s made her choices with her eyes wide open as far as their sales effect and she’s cool with it.

  228. Nobody will ever convince me that if the AMA’s had gone well without all the controversy, Adam would have sold more.

    You mean “wouldn’t” right? As in if he hadn’t gone so OTT and lost control of his vocals, he could’ve gotten more new fans. Well I agree with that! That’s probably true. But I think of it more as a lost opportunity than a devastating blow, if that makes sense. :)

  229. For crappiest album cover of the year I give that award to Chris Brown’s latest. Seriously it sucks.

  230. On the album cover business, I don’t think it’ll turn away people who are going to buy it anyway. But it does give those who are predisposed against Adam a further reason to make fun of him. Case in point, I was at Walmart on Thanksgiving and saw two male teens laughing at the album cover. Later in the store, I circled back around to look for my two friends (both in their 30s) and they were teasing each other with the album cover — as in, hey how about I give this to you for Christmas?

    By the way, they are non-AI watchers though they tend to keep up with E! and Entertainment Tonight type shows. and they REALLY did not come away with a good impression of Adam from his AMA performance and the subsequent highlights of interviews in those shows. Now, as I said they are not AI fans so they don’t pay attention to the nuances, but they really came away with the impression that he was extremely arrogant in referring to Madonna and Britney, etc. They came away with the impression that he was comparing himself to them. Called him a loser and other not-so-nice things. So yeah, there is fallout from the AMA. I don’t know if they would have bought his music anyway, but they are music buyers — generally rock / pop/rock(Green Day, Foo Fighters, P!nk) and hip hop/rap though.

  231. If doing those things wasn’t such a big deal that embarrassed guys, it wouldn’t be such a standard joke about being forced to to it and embarrassed. And yeah guys will do it for the women in their life, but they pretty much do it because they have motivation to do so. Casual or curious buyers aren’t those people. Their motivation level isn’t what will happen if they fail to buy embarrassing items.

    Exactly. And let me repeat, it’s not only about being embarrassed and even less “afraid of the cashier”. I’m not talking about being ashamed.

    For most casual buyers a cover that looks like THAT isn’t appealing. Some people forget most buyers aren’t fans, they don’t go to boards, they don’t love the guy like we do, they don’t know his voice that well, etc.

    I remember someone here saying that a cover should make casual buyers say “oh, what’s going on inside this party?” and not “heh, this is not my type of party” and that’s my point. You guys are being defensive about the shame thing, and it’s not about that at all.

  232. My life must be so unstereotypical. It totally does not equate with me that anyone would be embarrassed to buy something they wanted or needed. And if men, or women, for that matter are so uptight no wonder everyone had heart failure during most of the performances at the AMAs. It just blows my mind how little I know about what goes on outside my little world….who knew.

  233. How about Carrie? She have a shot?

    No, I doubt she will ever top Some Hearts, it sold over 7 million copies in America, it is the highest certified album by all the American Idols

  234. Yes I did mean wouldn’t! I went back and edited.

    Adam is performing a mini outdoor concert for Jimmy Kimmel. I didn’t know that show did that. Will it be televised? Link

    Kimmel has them all the time! The artist performs 3 or 4 songs but usually only 1 or 1-1/2 songs get aired. They have a LOT of commercials!

  235. They’re like, abandoning all the Warwick Saint stuff, and they’re not pimping the awesome video for FYE T.T)

    Ahhhh they just posted the FYE vid on VH-1. Not quite abandoning everything.

    On the minus side, it took an unprecedented amount of (expensive) promotion to accomplish that.

    What unprecedented amount of expensive promo did Adam get. Quite seriously I might be missing a few things. Nothing real big is coming to mind. Most of the $$ I can see went into production, most of the promo he received was via outside mags and 2012 promos. In this case really good PR. Ok.. so the FYE vid, itunes banners, website banners.. what else am I missing that was out of the ordinary or in greater amounts than other idols? No sarcasm here, honestly.

  236. I wondered about this exact thing back in the summer after I saw how popular Danny was in Memphis (right across the river from Arkansas)and on the tour in general. I wondered if Danny could be #2 in sales after he announced he was doing country.
    Country Music is a different world. I’ve been saying that for months!

    I think a lot will depend on how the Country Music world sees Danny. Do they see him as a poser who turned to country music because it was all that was available to him or do they legitimately believe he wants to be in country music.

    I have no problem with interviewers asking Kris about Adam’ ¦but has no one noticed that Adam is NEVER asked about Kris, or that he’s never even mentioned?

    And this is my main problem with the media and why I think the discussion came up in the headlines thread today about how the media has treated Kris. Kris is not Adam’s publicity manager or sound bite man but sometimes you would never know it. If this went both ways I would never consider it an issue. Or if they never asked either of them about the other.

  237. I remember someone here saying that a cover should make casual buyers say ‘oh, what’s going on inside this party?’  and not ‘heh, this is not my type of party’  and that’s my point.

    And it’s a good point. But there’s nothing Adam can do about it now, unfortunately.

  238. I’m curious about Kris’s sales figures, especially about how and when the iTunes Pass was counted. I bought Kris’s “pass” back in May, so I downloaded his album on release day and did not buy another copy.
    Was my purchase counted in Kris’s sales figures?

    BTW, I downloaded Adam’s from amazon.com ($3.99) and bought a CD at Target. Last year I bought 4 different copies of David Cook’s release, in order to get the bonus tracks. This year people were sharing free copies of Adam’s and Kris’s bonus tracks before their albums were even released.

  239. They’re like, abandoning all the Warwick Saint stuff, and they’re not pimping the awesome video for FYE T.T)

    Ahhhh they just posted the FYE vid on VH-1. Not quite abandoning everything.

    Oh, cool! I didn’t know that. I hope they post it on ITunes soon.

  240. This just tells me you have no idea what I’m talking about. Lady GaGa had two versions of her new album ‘The Fame Monster’ . She was only supposed to have one ‘“ which was marketed as a re-release of ‘The Fame’ , but later decided to view the 8 new songs as her sophmore album. She reached a compromise with her label, that allowed the release of the 8 new songs as an EP, alongside the deluxe re-release. The huge ‘bump’  The Fame got this week is almost entirely made of deluxe copies of ‘The Fame Monster’ . It’s still the new album, but it also includes the old one. It’s entirely different than your examples of old albums getting a bump when new ones come out, because this time the ‘old’  album was sold because it included the new one.
    I hope the difference is clear. I thought this was public knowledge by now so I didn’t bother going into it with my first post.

    Just so you know I did know this but my issue is that she would not have sold as many if the Combined album was not involved. The combined album was a sales gimmick. People who bought that one did because they did not have the original album (The Fame) and were looking at it as two Albums for the price of one. (or close to it). The 180K she got was representative only the new album. It is difficult to know if the Album was sold just as the Fame Monster that it would have done any better. (Though I do think it would have done better then Adam or Andre but it would not have sold 320K) Though I did exaggerate with the Carrie and Kelly analogy it either of them sold new albums an additional album with songs of the new album plus previous album I am sure they would sell a lot more too. It just might be a new way of packaging a selling new music from artist.

  241. I think Adam’s sales are AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!
    I’d love to look back on, like the last 3 weeks, and just see where Adam would be in that list. :-)

    I’m not sure how you could categorize these numbers as “good not great”.

  242. Congrats to SuBo for breaking Aiken’s 600K opening week record.

    Sales record for somone from the Idol/X Factor/BGT Simon Cowell factory. Not in history, sorry about that.

  243. http://www.vh1.com/music/

    Adam fans: Go to the VH1 site linked above and look for the words MUSIC VIDEOS on the right hand side of the screen and find two columns, one for this weeks top 20 and the other for fresh new music. Currently Adam’s FYE video is #1 in this category (up from #3 just a little while ago)!

    Now Adam fans need to get it into the top 20 ASAP!

  244. Adam is performing a mini outdoor concert for Jimmy Kimmel. I didn’t know that show did that. Will it be televised? Link

    Kimmel has them all the time! The artist performs 3 or 4 songs but usually only 1 or 1-1/2 songs get aired. They have a LOT of commercials!

    Thats great!! So he gets a mini concert rather than a sit-down interview. I’m happy with that! :) Other than Music Again and WWFM it’ll be interesting to see what other songs he sings. I hope he sings either Soaked or Broken Open. Maybe Strut!

  245. Just wondering if HDD had any way of accounting for Adam’s album sales at AO other than by their standard formula? My guess is that would be a large number that may not be usual for such sites.

  246. I wonder if Susan Boyle’s huge sales are going to impact who Simon puts on American Idol this year. I wonder if we will be getting a Reuben like winner where it is all likability and personality, with a great backstory.

  247. I have no problem with interviewers asking Kris about Adam’ ¦but has no one noticed that Adam is NEVER asked about Kris, or that he’s never even mentioned

    Adam is asked about Kris, he is asked about Kris’s winning and Adam always says really nice things about him, of course. He used to be asked “crush,” questions as well about Kris. But what has Kris done that Adam needs to be asked about? Kris wouldn’t be asked questions about Adam if Adam hadn’t done that AMA thing.

    Keel
    12/01/2009 at 7:51 pm

    Pretty much everything there. And the experience you had with Adam’s AMA performance and interviews, was mine as well. Even the CBS morning one which I thought was okay, though still defensive (and obtuse) got a lot of ‘how arrogant!’ stuff around it.

    Oh well, Adam can’t recreate that first impression, as they say. So he’s going to have to work hard beyond that for some people and that album cover to keep up a good, but not great first week of sales.

    Those WWFM adds are heartening. I wish they had come 3 weeks earlier…but wishes, beggers, horses, etc.

  248. If he had performed WWFM as he did these past 3 appearances and hadn’t been totally OTT on the AMA’s, I totally believe he would have sold to more casual viewers who watched the show and went WOW! that guy has pipes, think I’ll check him out rather than OMG that guy is freaking me out.

    Wow. You really think he’s *that* much better and more compelling to the mainstream listener than Kris??? Or that the AMAs was that much more of a mainstream event that actually spurred people to buy music than radio play? Wow. … Very very interesting.

    And thanks for explaining your thinking!

    I can’t say that it convinces me! But it’s certainly an interesting way of looking at things ….

    Wow again, though.

  249. Oh, cool! I didn’t know that. I hope they post it on ITunes soon.

    I hear adam said avail. on itunes 12/15

  250. Fact or fiction, who can say, but I read on twitter an Adam Fan bought 500 or so copies of FYE. The over-invested fans know who they are and what they bought. Perhaps they’re online here rejoicing in Adam’s good numbers. It’s their money, their choice, but over-inflating numbers is not going to help the artist in the long run. No excuses for Kris, but he does have a college-aged fanbase who are struggling financially for the most part and would perfer to download his CD free. I have also read that on twitter, as well. I certainly do not doubt that fans that are invested and have the financial means were buying FYE ten at a clip. No need to deny it. LOL

    (And people are ALWAYS truthful on twitter! lol)

    Kirsten has said repeatedly that multiple-cd buying does not greatly affect the overall outcome of sales. It is too small of a percentage of fans. All AI contestants have their over-invested fans who will buy more than one copy of their cds. Ask Kirsten how she feels about this since she is the numbers expert and has seen how idol sales stack up for several seasons.

  251. You really think he’s *that* much better and more compelling to the mainstream listener than Kris???

    My mom always said, “Don’t ask questions you don’t want answers to.” I don’t think I’ll touch this one.

  252. I remember someone here saying that a cover should make casual buyers say ‘oh, what’s going on inside this party?’  and not ‘heh, this is not my type of party’  and that’s my point.

    And it’s a good point. But there’s nothing Adam can do about it now, unfortunately.

    I agree about it being an excellent way to put it, and it’s unfortunate that there isn’t anything to be done about it now. This is another case where Adam’s taste levels and desire to be out there, got in the way. That boy needs a shorter leash than he thinks he does.

    Oh and putting the video for sale 12/15 and not at the height of the FYE/AMA exposure seems silly to me. The video isn’t bad and maybe even having it out there would have been a good argument to the AMA’s nastiness. Like Adam really isn’t OTT all the time and the AMAs really did just get away from him.

  253. P.S. Carrie Underwood hasn’t surpassed her first CDs sales? This surprises me, she’s making millions.

    First album, Some Hearts — 7 times platinum

    Second album, Carnival Ride — 2 times platinum….

    Pretty clear that that one isn’t gonna catch up to the first…..

    Third one probably won’t either, or not in my lifetime, anyway!

  254. Kirsten has said repeatedly that multiple-cd buying does not greatly affect the overall outcome of sales. It is too small of a percentage of fans. All AI contestants have their over-invested fans who will buy more than one copy of their cds. Ask Kirsten how she feels about this since she is the numbers expert and has seen how idol sales stack up for several seasons.

    Plus she’s a h8ter of the Opportunstic Weasel so not like she’d give him the benefit of the doubt on it. Not fingerwagging! just using Kirsten’s own avowal, because well, it continues to amuse me.

  255. Yes, there have been two previous seasons where a runner-up outsold the winner. But in those cases, they outsold the winner by only a small amount’ ¦.. Not even by 10 percent or by 25 percent or by 50 percent, let alone more than *double.* ‘ ¦.

    Huh? Clay’s 1st week was 613k, Ruben’s was 417k. So Clay outsold Ruben by 47% and the difference was almost 200k.

    Okay! I keep forgetting these numbers.

    My point was, though, that it wasn’t more than *double,* with people saying that it should actually be three times!

  256. Second album, Carnival Ride ‘” 2 times platinum’ ¦.

    3 times platinum actually. No Idol is ever going to have Some Hearts level sales though. She was selling hundreds of thousand a week months into that album.

  257. People don’t browse music’ ¦..sure they might not have an intended purchase but there has to be something in their head’ ¦either someone has told them about an Artist, or they heard a song on last night’s TV program, or they read a review in the morning paper.

    Wow, that is so not me! I still browse music for hours, in the few stores they have left, and online, at Itunes, Amazon, artists’ pages on Myspace and Facebook, etc ….

    Back when there were big record stores, I used to go into them with a friend or two on a Saturday or Sunday morning and we would spend a whole *day* there practically, meeting up among the aisles and nipping out for some lunch, and going back, all wandering around flipping through the albums. …. I *so* miss those great stores, because I find it somewhat harder today — I guess because, while I can listen to bitty snippets on Itunes and Amazon, I really really miss those big long liner notes!

  258. I can spend hours browsing music. And so can my music loving-friends’ ¦

    Me too. I rarely go into a record store knowing what I’m going to buy and I can spend a couple of hours browsing.

  259. I think a lot will depend on how the Country Music world sees Danny. Do they see him as a poser who turned to country music because it was all that was available to him or do they legitimately believe he wants to be in country music.

    (I say this as a non-fan)
    They won’t care. He sang some country on the show and half his set was country on the tour. He is a nice-looking, christian widower. I’m predicting that he has a shot at doing well. The people in my life who are country music fans liked Danny and Michael. They aren’t on the internet to read about him being a “poser”.

    In fact, I don’t really care. It will just be interesting to watch.

  260. I wonder if Susan Boyle’s huge sales are going to impact who Simon puts on American Idol this year. I wonder if we will be getting a Reuben like winner where it is all likability and personality, with a great backstory.

    I kind of suspect that Simon differentiates pretty strictly between the shows where he’s looking for the next big pop star — read, young and good-looking — and the ones where he’s just browsing to see if he can find some phenomenon that can sell a lot of stuff in a one-off to people of all ages and kinds.

    They tried the “folks not so good looking” in Season Six of Idol and hated the results. Similarly, if he was *ever* looking for that, Elliott would have been a natural for the role — hard luck story of many kinds out the wazoo and a killer voice — but Simon, although he appreciated Elliott’s talent, made clear over and over again that he didn’t figure Elliott could *ever* be a big seller in pop. He basically told him that the entire fruit he’d get from Idol was “making our mum very proud.”

    Simon’s pop star eye is very different from his Susan Boyle/Il Divo/ Teletubby eye, I think.

  261. I’m pretty sure Kris’s album didn’t hit the 90’s at iTunes until today

    Nope. I saw it there before FYE was released.

    I’m almost certain that isn’t correct. I saw Kris’s album at #50 just a few days ago. I don’t know what you saw, but if a couple of people are disputing it there’s a good chance you may be mistaken.

    FYE was released on the 24th. I’m pretty sure the first week that “Kris Allen” was released it was in the top 20 on iTunes for most of the week.

  262. But, I think “Adam’s taste levels and desire to be out there” have also led him to make a LOT of choices that have led him to exactly where he is now – rising stardom.

    He takes risks, he likes pushing buttons, he wants to play it fun and relatively smart but not necessarily always safe – it’s part of what makes him “fascinating” to me, Barbara Walters, and a lot of others.

    I just hope he and his management team remember that. The CD is amazing, and he did it while on a 50 date plus tour. Brilliant.

  263. remember FYE is not dead- VEVO music video launch is coming up with Adam’s music video involved in the launch according Vevo on twitter and fye got 3 adds today

    http://addboard.mediabase.com/AddDetails.asp?sngcde=LAMBFYE

    Cool.

    Plus, two of those are in Canada. FYE — the song and the video — will be fine for the eventual release of the international version of versions of the album.

  264. You really think he’s *that* much better and more compelling to the mainstream listener than Kris???

    Why do you ask about Kris? Adam isn’t just up against Kris now. Adam is up against every artist in the music industry. He has stepped outside of the AI bubble now.

    I do believe that if Adam had nailed his vocals and performance on the AMA’s that he would have made an impression on viewers because let’s face it, most of the vocals weren’t that impressive. Not everyone watches for Lady Gaga to set her piano on fire or to see how many bleeps Eminem can get or how sleazy Rihanna can be. A lot of people do care about the vocal and not the spectacle. I will always believe that it would have made a difference.

  265. I am confused how to get it to top 20 fye is being featured front and center on vh1 site, but I can never figure out how to vote for a video not already in the countdown

    Can anyone help?

  266. Plus, two of those are in Canada. FYE ‘” the song and the video ‘” will be fine for the eventual release of the international version of versions of the album.

    Any Canadians post here. I noticed that FYE was pretty well accepted in Canada. I find it a little strange that the US and Canadian radio doesn’t mirror each other. Can anyone explain the ‘character’ of Canadian radio?

  267. I think a lot will depend on how the Country Music world sees Danny. Do they see him as a poser who turned to country music because it was all that was available to him or do they legitimately believe he wants to be in country music.

    You know what’s interesting? For all of the talk of “authenticity” in the country music world, I don’t think there’s a format today that is as heavily regulated and packaged as country music in the modern world. Quite frankly, if it were as genuinely involved in a question of authenticity as, say, hip-hop, I doubt it would have had as many successes in the genre coming off of Idol. If it passes a thin industry standard, the cross-over is far from impossible, especially because Danny doesn’t have a background as really singing in any other genre (which is usually the deal-breaker). So I wouldn’t be too skeptical that, if given the right supports, he’d be able to make the jump right in.

    (Plus, it doesn’t hurt his case that the whole “I want to sing salsa” thing isn’t widely known, and that he was known for a number of modern country covers on the show. So he’s not exactly Bon Jovi here.)

  268. Wow, great numbers! The # 1 and # 2 spots are for a very different style of music, and Adam is leading the pack for the edgier music!!

    ITA Great 1st week numbers!!!
    FYE Video coming up for sale on Itunes 12/15
    Add this to future events with focus on music will help sales in subsequent weeks namely
    12/14 Tonight Show with Conan O’Brien
    12/17 Jimmy Kimmel- Outdoor Stage Concert (3-4 songs live, 1-2 on TV will expose other great tracks…..FEVER Please!!!!!!)
    Add to above——
    12/09 Barbara Walters 10 Most Fascinating People
    12/13 Host of Jingle Ball ( Displaying His Super Personality!!!) and reports of future scheduled appearance on Larry King Live and The View

  269. I can spend hours browsing music. And so can my music loving-friends’ ¦

    **raises hand**

    Yeah, I’m way too guilty of this. I can troll music sites for hours listening to tracks. And don’t get me in a record shop where they let you listen to stuff…

  270. I can spend hours browsing music. And so can my music loving-friends’ ¦

    I’m not being facetious here and I would really like to know….do people really buy albums off the rack of Artists they have never heard of, with music they have never heard just because they like the cover and the names of the songs sound cool. I can buy books, sort of, like that but at least I have a brief synopsis and a short biography of the Author….but a CD cover gives me none of that information.

  271. Why do you ask about Kris? Adam isn’t just up against Kris now. Adam is up against every artist in the music industry. He has stepped outside of the AI bubble now.

    I do believe that if Adam had nailed his vocals and performance on the AMA’s that he would have made an impression on viewers because let’s face it, most of the vocals weren’t that impressive. Not everyone watches for Lady Gaga to set her piano on fire or to see how many bleeps Eminem can get or how sleazy Rihanna can be. A lot of people do care about the vocal and not the spectacle. I will always believe that it would have made a difference.

    I agree on the former paragraph, and on the latter. I do think, however, that in the case of the latter it was more taking some off of what was almost in any event certain to be a big boost for sales. Even as a relatively sub-par performance, it got a level of attention that wasn’t equaled in any promo event post-Idol, and a lot of people really don’t care that much. Plus, the controversy elements probably have been a major drive, just given how ubiquitous the discussion has been about it. (Seriously, it’s a week later and continuously in the news from the fall-out. In media time, that’s hellishly long)

  272. Why I made the comparison between Adam’s sales and Kris’s — As in, “why would you expect Adam to sell *3* times as many” — as clearone asked …. (Sorry about the lack of a quote here; I somehow botched my post…. But this is the question I’m addressing, anywa!

    I ask about Kris because the first week sales of Idols have a *lot* to do with the existing fanbase and because *all* sales have to do with the overall sales climate as well as the overall sales climate for *Idols.* …

    I don’t see how you can judge anybody’s sales fairly except in comparison to how much other, comparable people are selling.

    So if the other Idol who’s come off the show — the winner — has just sold 80,000 in his first week , then I conclude that the sales climate in general isn’t that good this year;
    that the sales climate for Idols probably isn’t that good this year;
    and that the runner-up is very unlikely to have *three* *times* as many (largely) Idol-based fans than the person whose fans *outvoted* the runner up (even, reportedly, by a huge margin).

    But if you like, I’ll compare him to other people. Gaga — maybe the hugest star there is right now, in pop, pretty similar to Adam’s pop. Established, but established so recently that she is pretty clearly still rising …. Also performed at the AMAs — and did what seems to be widely considered one of the absolutely top performances there — …
    And she sold about 300,000 total of *two* albums she introduced this week …. Do you really think that Adam should have sold nearly as much as this very established and extremely hot performer in his own genre?

    And another — also in pop — Rhianna!! He *outsold* her! She is a huge name, has sold a lot, is also widely considered a still rising star, and has gotten a ton of recent news coverage from being a battered woman, not dissimilar from the news coverage that Adam has got from being followed around and asked about being a gay guy — i.e., not about the music, but still front page news in both cases! …. And you really thknk that he should have outsold her by *more* than he did!! The woman topped the mediabase chart for adds today! Something like 45 or 50 — an outrageous number…. I’m amazed that he outsold her at all, let alone outselling her by even more!

  273. Yeah, I’m way too guilty of this. I can troll music sites for hours listening to tracks. And don’t get me in a record shop where they let you listen to stuff’ ¦

    Me too.. but I haven’t even touched foot in a music store in years. Do they have them still (outside of huge urban areas?). Sad question.. I know.

    ETA: to answer… I usually need to have word of mouth, a TV spot or hear a song on the radio before buying. I rarely look at album covers or purchase random music from a 30 sec. snippet unless it is a second or third song from an artist. Then again, all my music is purchased online.

  274. I’m not being facetious here and I would really like to know’ ¦.do people really buy albums off the rack of Artists they have never heard of, with music they have never heard just because they like the cover and the names of the songs sound cool.

    Umm… not me personally, but I had a date who worked in a CD store, and she was surprised at the number of people who made these kind of purchases. I wouldn’t be so sure.

    (Not, mind you, that I’m using that to make a substantive argument or anything. But it’s probably not a proposition you’d want to turn down too quickly)

  275. I’m almost certain that isn’t correct. I saw Kris’s album at #50 just a few days ago. I don’t know what you saw, but if a couple of people are disputing it there’s a good chance you may be mistaken.

    No, I’m sure. Kirsten even mentioned it possibly dropping out of the top 100. I can go over and check at IDF later…after SYTYCD. lol

    Any Canadians post here. I noticed that FYE was pretty well accepted in Canada. I find it a little strange that the US and Canadian radio doesn’t mirror each other. Can anyone explain the ‘character’ of Canadian radio?

    Canadians are cooler? More accepting? Less homophobic? IDK!

  276. thanks for the help, but will clicking on the thumbs up get him into top 20 or isnt there a place where you can add a video to the top 20 list to vote on it?

  277. Since I can’t edit I’ll add that I thought I had made myself clear earlier about buying music…but apparantly I was a bit vague. I was talking about a big box record department where the ability to listen to new music isn’t available…and it is just you and the CDs…no other on site music or information.

    I, too can browse an internet purchase site or an old fashioned music store where they have listening posts and music endcaps and videos playing. I was just responding to the post about an album cover deterring someone from buying an album.

    Oh well…just too many words.

  278. I’m not being facetious here and I would really like to know’ ¦.do people really buy albums off the rack of Artists they have never heard of, with music they have never heard just because they like the cover and the names of the songs sound cool.

    I used to do it because I would read the liner notes — and my favorite record stores had knowledgeable staff and posted reviews.

    I do it now because today I can listen to clips — different ones on different sites — and wanter around the Web looking at reviews, comments in forums, stuff abot their concerts and such.

    I also really really love new and unusual sounds. So I really *love* buying albums and listening to them to learn something new about what musicians I’m unfamiliar with can do with the world of sound! So, yeah, I’ve actually even bought quite a few albums sight unseen and sound unheard over the years.

  279. If a person goes into a record store with a little knowledge of Adam, maybe has heard he has a great voice, or has heard a little buzz but doesn’t know much beyond that, that is where I think the album cover could be an issue. Or maybe it just might delay a sale a little. I also think it doesn’t help coming off the whole AMA thing. I don’t think people look at it and actively hate it, rather they are confused and maybe even a little uncomfortable.

    Do I think the AMAs hurt album sales? Yes. But actually gaining sales from it was always going to be a difficult feat. I think it takes something pretty epic to get people to buy an album off one performance. Maybe if they hadn’t spent the money on all the dancers/choreographers, etc. and instead used it to get that 30 piece orchestra there for a huge performance of Soaked—that might have done it.

  280. 4evrmomof4

    I am confused how to get it to top 20 fye is being featured front and center on vh1 site, but I can never figure out how to vote for a video not already in the countdown

    Can anyone help?

    Regarding Adam’s FYE music video: It looks to me like you vote on the thumbs up “thingie” under the video just to get it onto the list. This week they have 32 music videos on their list to vote from and from there the viewers pick the top 20. If enough people keep voting hopefully it will be featured on the show as a premiere and make the list so fans can vote. Until then it looks like the thumbs up is the best we can do.

  281. Do I think the AMAs hurt album sales? Yes. But actually gaining sales from it was always going to be a difficult feat. I think it takes something pretty epic to get people to buy an album off one performance. Maybe if they hadn’t spent the money on all the dancers/choreographers, etc. and instead used it to get that 30 piece orchestra there for a huge performance of Soaked’”that might have done it.

    Agree Chicagolaw.

  282. Any Canadians post here. I noticed that FYE was pretty well accepted in Canada. I find it a little strange that the US and Canadian radio doesn’t mirror each other. Can anyone explain the ‘character’ of Canadian radio?

    I really can’t speak to the “character” of Canadian radio but I can say this. From listening to some of the live streaming in the states recently, you are basically playing the same music we are.
    I live in Toronto. I know that Virgin Radio 99.9 Toronto added FYE some time ago and have been playing it 2-3 times a day. CHUM FM which is the top station in Toronto added FYE and were playing it but seem to have switched over to WWFM (playing 2-3 times a day) and I note they have added it as well. They also had Adam call in on November 25 and I thought the interview was lovely!!

    http://www.chumfm.com/Music/Players/onDemand.aspx

    Where I am, all of the chatter all season was about Adam. After the show, I did hear Kris’ NoBo played a couple of times in the mall, but other than that have not heard a thing on the radio. The single FYE is still sitting at #15 on the pop chart and #24 overall on the itunes charts here. LLWD is #152 on the pop, not on the overall.

    I know that LLWD is doing well on the radio in the states but as far as I can tell, nothing is happening here, maybe it is being played on stations I don’t listen to?

    I will tell you that Canada is a lot more accepting. Sure there is hate here, but nothing compared to the states.

  283. Maybe if they hadn’t spent the money on all the dancers/choreographers, etc. and instead used it to get that 30 piece orchestra there for a huge performance of Soaked’”that might have done it.

    Chicagolaw: OMG that would have been awesome! I think Adam’s management and ABC and of course Adam were going for shock value and this would have been just as shocking but in a good way!

  284. Me too.. but I haven’t even touched foot in a music store in years. Do they have them still (outside of huge urban areas?). Sad question.. I know.

    I haven’t seen one outside of big cities, with the exception of the one in Northampton Mass, in a long time. It is very sad.

    Tess, no worries.

  285. Go to the Vh1 Top 20 page and you can add it as a wild card at the bottom of the list then it will be added to the list, you then drag it over and click vote. If enough wild cards pop up it’ll be added and you won’t have to wild card it.

  286. I’m not being facetious here and I would really like to know’ ¦.do people really buy albums off the rack of Artists they have never heard of, with music they have never heard just because they like the cover and the names of the songs sound cool. I can buy books, sort of, like that but at least I have a brief synopsis and a short biography of the Author’ ¦.but a CD cover gives me none of that information.

    Well I was going to say that’s how I bought Lady Gaga’s cd awhile back. But that’s not entirely true, because there was one song I knew of and liked a lot. So hmmm. That’s a great question.

  287. I am extraordinarily troubled that the Jimmy Kimmel appearance is no longer on AO. I know it is still on JK site. Does anyone have any information? Would ABC seriously cancel this? I thought they just posted it today?

  288. I know people who just got tickets today, so I don’t think it is cancelled.

  289. Just chiming in to say in your face Eminem, I’m so firmly entrenched in the SuBo camped now just because just ask the sales week was closing, the predictions that she might beat Eminem’s latest record’s debut were coming in. I really cannot not be happy for her.

    Also, I have to marvel at the selling ability of Taylor Swift. More than a year into Fearless and still selling more than 100k. I have to admit being more than a little tired of her winning all the awards out there right now, but I still have to congratulate her for all the success that she is having. Also, it does seem like for all her success and despite her young age, she has managed to keep a good head on her shoulders. She remains to be a humble and unassuming girl who does not thrive in controversy like so many young people her age.

    Now on to Kris and Adam’s numbers. No spinning it, Kris did not have good numbers. For Adam, I’m in the “good, not great” camp. Let’s admit it, for all the promotions (billboards, RS and radio advertisements), the big AMA performance and Thanksgiving weekend, he should have sold more. But then again, that perception of mine is based on the impression I get from the AI world. Earlier on in the year, I kept reading from Adam’s fans that he’s going to be the biggest thing AI has ever produced — that Adam is getting better treatment than Kris, or at the very least they were being treated like co-winners. So naturally, my expectations were that he was going to sell like a winner, or even more. So these numbers tell me that either Adam does not have as big a fanbase as I initially thought he had OR that many did not get bitten by the Adam bug based on his AMA performance. Because really for all the postive spins you can try to put on it, at the end of the day, I truly do not believe that more people ended up wanting to buy Adam’s record than those who got turned off instead. (And let me be clear that I do not believe that homophobia is the basic reason people would get turned off by that performance. It was OTT and it was a very bad vocal. If it had not been as OTT and he gave a better vocal, I believe the effect would have been the opposite. So I agree with those who said that it was a lost opportunity.)

    But today is a new day and this week is a new sales week. Promotion and radio adds and exposure is there to be had. So here’s hoping for not so bad drops for their records, and a good debut for Allison.

  290. Why would they take down the event from AO tonight? It worries me a little.

  291. JJ123
    12/01/2009 at 9:18 pm
    Go to the Vh1 Top 20 page and you can add it as a wild card at the bottom of the list then it will be added to the list, you then drag it over and click vote. If enough wild cards pop up it’ll be added and you won’t have to wild card it.

    I coudn’t figure out how to do this so hopefully other Adam/VH1 fans are smarter than me. Ugh!

  292. I agree. It’s strange that it isn’t on AO anymore. Maybe ABC banned him, well except when it’s convenient for them, like the BW special.

    Of course, we will all probably find out its a glitch. Maybe they are just posting the next 2 weeks or something.

  293. Adam exceeded my expectations. After all, he didn’t win AI, and I just didn’t think that many people would “get” him. So I think he has done great. And I’m also one who thinks the cd cover just wasn’t the best. I actually had friends call me up (because they knew I was a big Adam fan) and ask me if I had seen the cd cover. I think the cover hurt him worse than the AMA’s.

  294. I can’t figure out how to add to the vh1 list.. As a wild card to the bottom of the list

  295. hmm, it seems they did take down the Kimmel performance on AO…but they dont have all of the performances on there so maybe they are just trying to save more space on his site? They dont have the Larry King appearance on there either, which according to this fansite I visit is going to be on the 15th…
    idk..also, I couldnt vote for the video on the vh1 countdown..I dont see that wildcard option anywhere…idk why they make it so fucking difficult to vote..sheesh.

  296. Statistically speaking, Subo’s sales are an outlier. So, if you take that out of the equation, Adam’s numbers are awesome! Just a thought.

  297. How anyone can call Adam’s numbers less than awesome is beyond me. His initial week sells are great. He is debuting higher than some well known artists. To come in third to SuBo and Bocelli singing Xmas songs is super. He is the highest selling Pop artisst this week. Trying to make light of moving 196K units is silly. However, I sort of expected this sort of thing. All I will say is congrats to Adam and to his fans for supporting him.

  298. Sorry to be clueless, but where do you go to keep track of WWFM radio spins? Is it mediabase?

  299. Got my tickets for the Kimmel show. Make sure you got the studio tickets. If you got the out door concert tickets that will not get you in for the interview. If you got studio tickets you will be able to go outside after the show is taped for the concert.

  300. I think that some people who saw Adam on Idol, and were on the fence about him, and saw the cd in Walmart or Target, might have been dissuaded from buying by the cd cover. When people are on the fence, something like a cd cover can sway them one way or the other. That’s why so much effort is put into making the cd covers. They are sales tools. I don’t think this cover did its job of selling the cd. In fact I think for some people it would have the opposite effect.

    It’s not about picking cds of someone you never heard of based on the cover. It’s that the cover can be the final “push” one needs to buy a product that one is undecided about.

    The cover was very femme, I thought. And something about it just didn’t work, imo. I really don’t understand why they used that cover. I expected something in keeping with Adam’s trademark look, dressed in black, looking like a glam rocker, know what I mean? I missed out on the cover discussions but I imagine it’s all been debated already.

  301. How anyone can call Adam’s numbers less than awesome is beyond me…He is the highest selling Pop artisst this week.

    SuBo, that’s awesome. Carrie after 4 weeks, awesome. Gaga, a combined total of 300K, awesome — and she’s the highest selling pop artist, not Adam.

  302. Perhaps some scheduling conflicts came up? I do feel bad for those who got their tickets. Thats going to be a messy situation.

  303. How anyone can call Adam’s numbers less than awesome is beyond me. His initial week sells are great.

    Adam had a very good first week, but many might have expected even better. A month ago there was a lot of talk about how he was going to sell more than any Idol before him, and even more than any recording artist before him. Sounds unbelievable but there was a lot of excitement and there was a lot of hype and unrealistic expectations in place, which would make for some disappointment when such high sales didn’t materialize. Expectations have a lot to do with it.

  304. Do we know the position of Adam’s first week sales in the list of all RCA artists who has had album out this year? I ask because that kind of list give me a new angle in analyzing Kris album’s performance.

  305. Statistically speaking, Subo’s sales are an outlier. So, if you take that out of the equation, Adam’s numbers are awesome! Just a thought.

    I’ve heard everything now. You can’t take Subo out of the equation. Adam’s are good but not great. End of story.

  306. Does anyone know know whether the given numbers include Amazon sales? I saw someone ask this question elsewhere, but I never saw an answer. thanks
    This is the first year I’ve ever paid any attention to the numbers, so I don’t know anything about them.
    What does outlier mean?

  307. iirc, some article (Billboard or like media) mentioned that the prediction of 210k-230k exceeded the expectation for FYE, it didn’t say whose expectation, but I guess it’s either RCA’s or the consensus of the industry, so I think 196K very likely meets if not exceed that expectation.

  308. You can’t take Subo out of the equation.

    Well you can if you are a statistician. Her numbers are just not on the bell curve.

  309. My husband would buy Adam’s cd in a minute. No one cares what is in your cart at Walmart or Target. Men buy tampons for the women in their life all the time.

    God, I hope Adam doesn’t read this….his album cover is being compared to tampons! lol

  310. I guess I actually had worried that Adam wouldn’t sell well at all after the AMAs. And even before that, Kris’s numbers had freaked me out as an Adam fan. So that he sold almost 200k, even after the AMAs, made me really sigh with relief. And his post AMA stuff has been great. So I guess that shapes a lot how I feel about his first week sales. I wasn’t confident that Adam would sell huge. Being a new artist, and somewhat notorious now as well(if he wasn’t before) and selling +190K is great. I think he has a good shot at getting his career off to a good start.

  311. Adam’s are good but not great. End of story.

    If that’s the case, then where does that leave #4-#10 on the list?

  312. SuBo, that’s awesome. Carrie after 4 weeks, awesome. Gaga, a combined total of 300K, awesome ‘” and she’s the highest selling pop artist, not Adam.

    Well Subo’s sales are just out there weird. Carrie is an established artist and has been singing for a few years now. Gaga, I adore her and I think she has a great voice. But she has been everywhere. Actually, the first time I heard Disco Stick (I have no idea if that is the actual name of the song) it was to a photo montage of who else but Mr. Adam Lambert. I think that is kind of funny. And that is why I bought her cd.

  313. Adam’s CD is unlike anything else out there, either looks or soundwise. I think his numbers are incredible.

  314. The night of the AMAs, I was predicting 90k on sales for Adam, specifying that I would be thrilled with 120k.

    196k are amazing!

    But Susan Boyle, seriously, being 2/3 platinum in one week…wow.

  315. How anyone can call Adam’s numbers less than awesome is beyond me’ ¦He is the highest selling Pop artisst this week.

    SuBo, that’s awesome. Carrie after 4 weeks, awesome. Gaga, a combined total of 300K, awesome ‘” and she’s the highest selling pop artist, not Adam.

    she said Adam is the highest selling for this week hypertwink…

  316. There is a post on the GD forum at IDF that shows debuts for 2009. This is a little sample. The list is too long to past here. I cut off artist above John Mayer.

    John Mayer 286,000
    Daughtry 269,000
    Kelly Clarkson 255,000
    Jonas Brothers 247,000
    Bruce Springsteen 224,000
    Green Day 215,000
    Adam Lambert 196,000 (HDD estimate)
    Pearl Jam 189,000
    Rihanna 180,000 (HDD estimate)
    Norah Jones 180,000
    Barbra Streisand 180,000
    The Fray 179,000
    Paramore 175,000

    Wilco 99,000
    Fabolous 99,000
    Reba McEntire 96,000
    Keri Hilson 94,000
    Toby Keith 90,000
    Kenny Chesney 89,000
    Rod Stewart 84,000
    Shakira 83,000 (HDD estimate)
    Trans-Siberian Orchestra 83,000
    Chrisette Michele 83,000
    Ciara 81,000
    Depeche Mode 80,000
    Kris Allen 80,000
    Sting 80,000
    Three Days Grace 79,000

    To date it shows only 19 other artists debuting above Adam… so I am more than pleased after seeing this list.

  317. I still say give it a year and Adam’s international numbers will be an entirely different story. AMA or album cover won’t even be blinked at. I think RCA has their eye on the big picture.

  318. Adam’s are good but not great. End of story.

    If that’s the case, then where does that leave #4-#10 on the list?

    If that’s the case, then where does that leave Kris? I guess his sales were dismal…pitiful…? What?

    Adam’s sales are GREAT! End of Story.

    Koshka: Thanks for bringing that chart over! Adam is in some pretty good company!

  319. I still say give it a year and Adam’s international numbers will be an entirely different story. AMA or album cover won’t even be blinked at. I think RCA has their eye on the big picture.

    I really hope you are right! I hate myself for being so petty about the album cover. :( I luv Adam. I’m not at all phased by the AMA’s either. Sigh….

  320. I just found this article via Adam’s website that TFM is not eligible for an Oscar nom:

    That is a bummer. The song is incredible.

  321. A month ago there was a lot of talk about how he was going to sell more than any Idol before him, and even more than any recording artist before him. Sounds unbelievable but there was a lot of excitement and there was a lot of hype and unrealistic expectations in place, which would make for some disappointment when such high sales didn’t materialize.

    I must have missed that conversation. I think after TFM and FYE singles sold what they did, and Kris’s LLWD sold what it did, I recall there was a lot of discussion about how the idol fandom wasn’t what it used to be. Perhaps there were a couple of OTT fans, but I think the bulk of the conversation was about whether the bloom had gone off the AI rose because both Kris and Adam’s single sales were a fraction of the Davids.

    I also recall after Kris’s album numbers came out, the predictions for Adam’s debut album week being around 120K (and this was before the AMA controversy).

  322. iluvai
    12/01/2009 at 11:05 pm
    I still say give it a year and Adam’s international numbers will be an entirely different story. AMA or album cover won’t even be blinked at. I think RCA has their eye on the big picture.

    I really hope you are right! I hate myself for being so petty about the album cover.

    No worries.. Adam is already testing the waters a bit. Here is an interview with a New Zealand radio station. Call in of course. I’m not sure which day, but post AMA & they play FYE there. Go figure.

    http://www.zmonline.co.nz/zmvideoplayer/adamlambert.html

    ETA:
    Tiger92
    It was a real eye opener. I was going to try and paste the entire chart, but it was 2 1/2 pages long. The field was really crowded in the middle. By the chart, I was pretty impressed. I still think that 19 has other ideas on how to make money off of him that have to do with other media ventures. It really has to be done. Sales suck & the margins just are not there anymore.

  323. Adam’s CD has such diversity, all tracks are really good, it is like it’s own perfect playlist. And for the jealous bashers, there are those who know more than you- the AI judges, mentors, guest performerrs, current singers and vocal coaches all praise Adam’s singing. His first CD coming out this week did fantastic- this is a highly competitve week with well estaablished artists, if his CD came out last week he would have been number 1, and Susan Boyle, kudos to her, but only 3of her songs are getting good reviews and Adam has all 12 good ones on his CD. At Target and at Best Buy near my house, everyone must already have Susan’s because they are not selling, and Adam’s has sold out in both places, so, no worries, he is a hugh success

  324. I must have missed that conversation.

    I saw posts like that, before Kris’s cd came out. There was a lot of excitement, and hype, that was a bit hard to take at times, that was my impression, yours might be different. Eventually expectations calmed down and became more realistic.

  325. I also recall after Kris’s album numbers came out, the predictions for Adam’s debut album week being around 120K (and this was before the AMA controversy).

    Those are the exact numbers I recall being batted around. I don’t think many of us were thinking over 150K by a long shot. Discounting the one or two OTT that always exist (though I didn’t see them here).

  326. No worries.. Adam is already testing the waters a bit. Here is an interview with a New Zealand radio station. Call in of course. I’m not sure which day, but post AMA & they play FYE there. Go figure.

    http://www.zmonline.co.nz/zmvideoplayer/adamlambert.html

    That was great. And I love the accent !!!!! Thank you. :)

    I love the “sex is a vibe” and that Adam is on
    “Team Jacob” He loves traveling and learning about other cultures. I do to. I have immense respect for that!

  327. I’m not worried about Adam because I truly think he has international appeal. Hey, they would adopt him in Japan for the hair alone, what others call emo looks like anime hair to me! Adam FTW one country at a time! :)

  328. I am happy that the original prediction wasn’t too far off. I was hoping for anything over 100,000, so almost 200,000 is fantastic! Also, to beat Lady gaga, Shakira and Rihanna is fantastic.
    I would be very interested as to his international sales, since the music stores I have been in in the Vancouver area have very few FYE albums left, it seems to be selling very well.
    The album is excellent IMO and as he gets more spins hopefully it’ll continue selling steadily.

  329. I must have missed that conversation. I think after TFM and FYE singles sold what they did, and Kris’s LLWD sold what it did, I recall there was a lot of discussion about how the idol fandom wasn’t what it used to be. Perhaps there were a couple of OTT fans, but I think the bulk of the conversation was about whether the bloom had gone off the AI rose because both Kris and Adam’s single sales were a fraction of the Davids.

    I also recall after Kris’s album numbers came out, the predictions for Adam’s debut album week being around 120K (and this was before the AMA controversy).

    I totally recall those same conversations. I specifically remember the part about not meeting up to the Davids levels. So Adam sold more than Archie. He was beloved by everyone wasn’t he?

  330. Hey, they would adopt him in Japan for the hair alone,

    I would like to adopt him. I’m tooooooo old for him and I feel like a proud mama bear. :)

  331. So Adam sold more than Archie. He was beloved by everyone wasn’t he?

    Archie was and is (IMHO) very popular. What’s not to like? :) I didn’t vote for him, but I just bought his XMAS album. I am interested in following his career as I think he has a good voice.

    Adam’s sales are more than Archie’s but less than Cook’s, so to me, Adam is selling like a typical idol winner/runner up. Kris’s numbers are off. And that puzzles me.

  332. After months and months and months of hype – nothing like ANY Idol contestant has ever received before, at least in my opinion – I really expected better numbers for Adam.

    Congrats to Susan Boyle. I’m not a fan, but I appreciate her story. The whole never giving up and chasing your dreams until they come true thing gets me every time. :)

  333. It’s true that the economy and the industry were different when Idol’s big three debuted, but the climate, at least economically, was probably even worse when Cook and Archie released.

    A year ago, when the Davids debuted, the unemployment rate for my state was around 7 percent. Last month it topped 10 percent. Lots more folks that are employed are working shorter work weeks. Last year my family and friends could afford to give Christmas gifts to someone other than close family members. This year, most have decided they can’t do that. Some people I know aren’t giving gifts to anyone at all.

    So no, I think this year the economy is having a harsher impact on the pocketbooks this year. At least in my little corner of the world.

  334. idk..also, I couldnt vote for the video on the vh1 countdown..I dont see that wildcard option anywhere’ ¦idk why they make it so fucking difficult to vote..sheesh.

    Tell me about it! I’m not sure the wildcard option is still available as others were complaining about it on the VH1 boards. Bah humbug! :(

  335. The whole never giving up and chasing your dreams until they come true thing gets me every time.

    That’s a good story. It gets me too.

  336. I love the album cover. imo, it is the visualization of the music inside: ridiculous, fun and campy. It’s a whole and complete package that shows Adam’s current vision of his music. I also like the fact that Adam paid a lots of attention to his album cover and had the ball to pick the one representing the album most accurately. It says a lot about him as an artist. I admire that. I hope his next album cover to be more ridiculous :D

    ETA oh, forgot to back to the topic. even if the cover might impact the album sales in the short run, I think in long run it helps to develop his image and credit him as an artist who is interesting, bold and staying true to himself.

    This album cover gives me more confidence in Adam and his future projects than any sales number does.

  337. So no, I think this year the economy is having a harsher impact on the pocketbooks. At least in my little corner of the world.

    ITA-unemployment is higher everywhere. I know we are all cutting back this year for XMAS.

    So why is SuBo different and has crazy numbers? It’s because SuBo’s story is a Lifetime Movie. Like Q3 said in another thread, SuBo is this recession’s Seabiscuit. I mean, even if you aren’t a fan of SuBo, most likely you still want her to make a truck load of money off this album. SuBo is inspiring because after all this time, her dream came true (even if it scares the bejesus out of her).

  338. I love the album cover. imo, it is the visualization of the music inside: ridiculous, fun and campy. It’s a whole and complete package that shows Adam’s current vision of his music. I also like the fact that Adam paid a lots of attention to his album cover and had the ball to pick the one representing the album most accurately. It says a lot about him as an artist. I admire that. I hope his next album cover to be more ridiculous :D

    Great post. :) Adam is definitely brave and artistic.

  339. So Adam sold more than Archie. He was beloved by everyone wasn’t he?

    taking nothing away from adam , and have no interest in playing the comparison game, but with adam’s level of massive hype for a runner up, the sheer dollars that have to have been expended by 19e, the primo tv and award show appearance at the ama’s, i would have expected him to open with far more than 195k… especially during black friday week, and with the album dropping 1 day earlier… outselling david by only 12k, with all that exposure and primo promo, for me is not that impressive. adam done good, he did, but go there for a moment… if archuleta had the same level of promo and exposure on the lambert level last year, at the height of his popularity, with his large and rabid fanbase, what do you think his debut sales numbers would/ could have been, hahah… or even cook’s, who received great promo, but no where near adam level… bravo for adam, and for opening well, but i see his numbers and archuleta’s as basically a wash… he sold more cd’s in the debut, but he hasn’t as yet managed to have a single connect and sell on the ”crush” level.. so the dance continues…

  340. I know this is a ways back, but uglyduck, hypertwink also meant for this last week. Lady Gaga has a combined total between her EP and deluxe album over 300k. This has been mentioned before, AL did not ‘beat’ her when you consider her combined new works.

  341. if archuleta had the same level of promo and exposure on the lambert level last year, at the height of his popularity, with his large and rabid fanbase, what do you think his debut sales numbers would/ could have been, hahah’ ¦ or even cook’s, who received great promo, but no where near adam level’ ¦ bravo for adam, and for opening well, but i see his numbers and archuleta’s as basically a wash’ ¦

    Cook and Archie have much larger fan bases than Adam and I think it has been discussed numerous times that the idol fan base is what drives the first week sales. Also, Cook and Archie are a much easy sell to mainstream America. It is what it is. I’m just glad Adam’s album numbers are in the ballpark of Archie and Cook. I suspected they would be lower. And you are right, Cook got GREAT promo.

  342. I’m completely thrilled by 196k in sales. This is a phenomenal showing for a new artist, especially up against established stars like GaGa and Rihanna. Bravo, Adam. I fully expect WWFM will be a huge hit and will drive more sales – it’s a fantastic song.

    with adam’s level of massive hype for a runner up, the sheer dollars that have to have been expended by 19e, the primo tv and award show appearance at the ama’s, i would have expected him to open with far more than 195k

    What sheer dollars are you talking about? Do you have any facts or numbers to back up your statement? And a lot of people think the performance at the AMA’s hurt him. My opinion is that Archie’s single was a huge factor driving sales of his album and Adam’s number would have been even higher if they had gotten either FYE or WWFM out there sooner and actually promoted it.

  343. Cook and Archie have much larger fan bases than Adam and I think it has been discussed numerous times that the idol fan base is what drives the first week sales. Also, Cook and Archie are a much easy sell to mainstream America.

    that may be so regarding cook and archuleta’s fanbases, but speaking as an archuleta fan, archuleta may have been wildly popular, but he was no easy sell… memories are short, hahah… he had outright disdain from many corners for many reasons – being considered ”the chosen one” early in the competition, having a polarizing ”stage dad”, his youth, his voice, his breathing, his religion, his label of ”ballad boy”, and the snide comments regarding his ability to be a viable mainstream recording artist… he had no cakewalk after the finale in keeping the fanbase centered and committed, while battling against some negative stereotypes and attitudes that still persist, though many have dissipated… archuleta had some uphill battles for sure, but he just kept plugging away at his craft, singing and going all over to promote himself, so he’s worked darn hard to secure his success to date.. it has been no bed of roses, but it has made the successes to date sweeter – because there were many who would have loved to have seen ”crush” tank, and his cd tank… bully for them, cause regardless whether he sells 100 cd’s or 1 million the next outing, he’s always gonna be a winner, and a huge success in my book. he was born to sing, and he’ll always have plenty folks lining up to see and hear him do just that :)

  344. that may be so regarding cook and archuleta’s fanbases, but speaking as an archuleta fan, archuleta may have been wildly popular, but he was no easy sell’ ¦ memories are short, hahah’ ¦ he had outright disdain from many corners for many reasons ‘“ being considered ‘ the chosen one’  early in the competition, having a polarizing ”stage dad’ , his youth, his voice, his breathing, his religion, his label of ‘ ballad boy’ , and the snide comments regarding his ability to be a viable mainstream recording artist’ ¦

    This is so true, and I am not even an David fan lol. I love the complete rewriting of history by people pretending Archie was beloved by everyone, he was just as polarizing as Adam, way nastier things were written about him even. I will laugh next year if I see the same rewriting of season 8.

  345. Well I sure hope a year from now, your not saying this about Adam.

    No way!!!! Adam is sooo special and wonderful and just about (fill in your swear word) perfect….. :)

  346. but he was no easy sell’ ¦ memories are short, hahah’ ¦ he had outright disdain from many corners for many reasons ‘“ being considered ‘ the chosen one’  early in the competition, having a polarizing ”stage dad’ ,

    The funny thing is I think Archie and Adam suffered similar backlashes for being considered the “chosen ones.” For whatever reason, some people are just going to vote against whoever Simon likes regardless of the contestant’s talent. Go figure. But I do think that ends after the competition. Archie’s first single Crush was really snappy and it did well. I see Archie being a single seller. It’s too early to know how Adam will do with his singles. The launch of FYE was a mess, but the new one seems to be doing well. So at this stage of the game, I would agree that Archie was doing better than Adam is now due to the single sales.

  347. This is so true, and I am not even an David fan lol. I love the complete rewriting of history by people pretending Archie was beloved by everyone, he was just as polarizing as Adam, way nastier things were written about him even. I will laugh next year if I see the same rewriting of season 8.

    thank you. i just believe in keeping it real, and one year removed from all the idol crazy as an invested fan has given me a clearer, and deeper perspective on a lotta things.

  348. I don’t want to get into the parsing the numbers. It’s really sorta nuts. Adam’s numbers are great. And no amount of spinning or backtracking or even muckracking will take away that fact.

    I will say that neither Archie or Adam have been an easy sell. They both had to get through a lot of shit written about them, and a lot of people voting for anyone but them. Hell Cook had it easy compared to the both of them. That Archie is doing as well as he did is a testament to his talent first and foremost, but I will add that I feel the same about Adam. No amount of hype or pimping got them to sell the way they did. I am a proud fan of both of them, as it’s hard to come out of the muck of being disliked for being good. For being singled out because someone saw some potential early on. These guys never go on to win because it’s hard being a front runner out of the gate. That they still go and spook everyone tickles me to death. So viva Adam and Archie, two of the best damn voices idol has ever produced, and two of the nicest as well. It’s good to see the cream continue to rise to the top. I am enjoying seeing them both triumph.

  349. This is so true, and I am not even an David fan lol. I love the complete rewriting of history by people pretending Archie was beloved by everyone, he was just as polarizing as Adam, way nastier things were written about him even. I will laugh next year if I see the same rewriting of season 8.

    I wasn’t on any AI board (including this one) during Season 7. So I am only going on what I saw OUTSIDE the idol blogashpere. I always got the impression that people thought Archie was a good singer and nice kid, but that his Dad was nuts. But I do believe you if you say it was mean spirited. But I suspect some mean spiritness was also directed at Cook as well?

  350. Nobody can predict if David or Adam or Archie will have just two albums. #1 album has been successful for David Cook there were 19 albums that sold more than one million for the BB chart year 2009 and David Cook was one of them. He along with Gaga and Zac Brown band were the only 3 new artists to sell platinum the rest were all extablished artists. David Cook will begin work on his new album and I am very excited about it. In my crystal ball I see David being around for a long time and not with two albums and then “out”. I don’t follow Adam or Archie as close but I would not write them off as easily either.

  351. I will say that neither Archie or Adam have been an easy sell. They both had to get through a lot of shit written about them, and a lot of people voting for anyone but them. Hell Cook had it easy compared to the both of them. That Archie is doing as well as he did is a testament to his talent first and foremost, but I will add that I feel the same about Adam. No amount of hype or pimping got them to sell the way they did. I am a proud fan of both of them, as it’s hard to come out of the muck of being disliked for being good. For being singled out because someone saw some potential early on. These guys never go on to win because it’s hard being a front runner out of the gate. That they still go and spook everyone tickles me to death. So viva Adam and Archie, two of the best damn voices idol has ever produced, and two of the nicest as well. It’s good to see the cream continue to rise to the top. I am enjoying seeing them both triumph.

    fist bump my sista :)

  352. But I suspect some mean spiritness was also directed at Cook as well?

    Not really. Cook had his critics, but most of the negativity was saved for Archie, Carly, and Jason towards the end. I will say though that both Cook and Archie fans were much better behaved in my opinion than most final two fanbases.

  353. David Cook had a lot of mean spiritedness directed at him. The judges called if for Archie and so did most of the press. It was an upset when David won. So he had more than his share of critics from fans and the press.

  354. Wow, so Lambert will debut at #3 in Top 200, even Archuleta debuted at #2. Hopefully better luck next time.

  355. Well just to contribute to the discussion I, as an Adam fan am grateful for grateful of David Cook…I ma very glad that he went on Idol last season because he paved the way for Adam and his strategics on the show, especially with song arrangements (i.e. his Billie Jean cover was awesome, I saw that on yt and loved it)….he is also a great singer and very smart and articulate…Adam has all of these qualities X10 I think LOL…and he is more polarizing and controversial but still very talented at the core…I also think he is more versatile stylistically…he can sing any genre of music and even do musical theater…eventually he will probabaly even do Broadway :) and even acting..
    David could prob get into acting also but I dont see him performing on Broadway LOL and his voice is best suited for rock..
    I also think that because Adam worked with better producers (and because he has really good taste) the quality of his album is better despite the time constraints…just my personal opinion though…
    the numbers for his first week sales are strong, therefore I am happy for him. Frankly the weeks to come will really determine a lot…
    he needs to keep promoting (it seems he will) so he can tour….I also think he needs a radio hit…hopefully it will happen with WWFM…it really is a solid song and the lyrics are great and very relevant…
    I cant wait to see him live on tour….what a trip :)

  356. Hell Cook had it easy compared to the both of them.

    Oh man, it’s funny how perceptions differ depending on the filter you use when processing stuff. For example, as I remember it, there was a time that it seemed like Cook had a new ridiculous -gate to deal with every week. Covergate wouldn’t die for awhile, and then there was Smuggate popping it’s head up every now and again, Upsetgate after the finale, when I wanted Cook to say, just once, “No, I didn’t think Archie had it in the bag. I thought I totally kicked ass at the finale and it could have gone either way…” And then there was CookVs.Daughtry when his album dropped. And the press kept the David v. David crap going after Cook won and it should have been over so both guys could move on. There was a time that I swore the press were waiting with baited breath to declare Cookie a failure after Crush took off….well, he had his share of negativity, and I’d say it’s also testament to his talent and work ethic that he is where he is today. Mileage…it’s a crazy thing. Anyway, water under the bridge, and both Cook and Archie managed to finally map separate careers without constantly being referenced to each other. Hopefully this time next year people will have stopped comparing Kris and Adam.

  357. sunchick–thanks for the perspective! That was really interesting to read and compare with my experiences from this year. It’s kind of spookily similar to this year, but maybe that means just like last year the fanwarring will fade out over time, which is good.

  358. It’s true that the economy and the industry were different when Idol’s big three debuted, but the climate, at least economically, was probably even worse when Cook and Archie released.

    I think this year the economy is having a harsher impact on the pocketbooks this year. At least in my little corner of the world.

    Well, if we get beyond the purely anecdotal, this past Black Friday week’s sales results actually show shoppers spending more in total during the week than last year during the same week. Sure, it’s only by a small amount (+0.5%) but it seems changes in the economy since last year have had negligible effects on people’s spending habits. What’s more on point, I think is the 13% decrease in album sales since last year (which I think is mostly attributable to the increasing and continued acceptability of people illegal downloading their music).

    Based on that particular stat, Adam is actually noticeably outperforming Archie in a head-to-head of runners up from the past two seasons. Adam should have been at around 160K to tie Archie, while factoring in the industry decline, but instead Adam ended up up at 196K. Hardly a wash IMO.

    Though to ggdoorsfan’s point — Adam has had way more promo than Archie (or any past Idol for that matter), so what Adam has achieved relative to Archie is probably mostly about the hype/promo instead of being about the music or size of fanbase.

  359. sunchick:
    You know what’s funny about all that-I didn’t hear ANY OF IT! My husband wanted Cook to win and my daughter loved Archie. I liked both of them and TRULY watched the final not caring AT ALL who won.

    I never heard anything about Archie being “the chosen one” or about his problems with his dad. He just seemed like a cute,sweet kid on the show. I figured Cook won because not that many teens and tweens watch AI anymore. That’s ALL the thought I put into it.

    I bought Cook’s cd for hubby and Archie’s for daughter for Christmas presents. We caught them on a couple of shows and enjoyed them and that was it.

    I really don’t think fans in the bubble understand that those who are not reading the blogs or fansites have a whole different level of involvement.

    It’s funny to read comments like- “Adam just blew it by that interview he gave.” No one reads those! People might catch Adam or Kris on a show here or there. That’s all the thought they give to it.

  360. I also think that because Adam worked with better producers

    Rob Cavallo who produced songs on Adam’s record produced DC’s album.

  361. That’s a great point tiger92. Stories that appear to blow up on the internet don’t always leak into the public consciousness at large. The one story I do think crossed over to the mainstream is the GMA cancelling Adam’s appearance story. But I don’t think it hurt Adam.

  362. Wow, so Lambert will debut at #3 in Top 200, even Archuleta debuted at #2. Hopefully better luck next time.

    Poor, poor Adam. He must be heartbroken. I guess it could be worse-he could have been further down the list.

  363. I think it’s been very hard for Idols to move beyond the Idol audience. I’m not sure we’ll have another Kelly or Daughtry. (Carrie is country) Kelly and Daughtry are very mainstream but have great voices.

    Adam should have sold a ton more. So much money has been invested in him. Archie did have a hit single so he could get by with less than platinum sales. Adam could be in a lot of trouble. He can’t get a single to take off, and his itune sales are falling quickly. But, he’s got an Archie like chance at success.

    Don’t know what happened to Kris. Too bad. Can’t spin it any other way. I think it’s just boredom with Idol. I think Jive will spend their money on Allison and her young band and audience before Kris.

    They’ll all be lucky if they get to open for other bands next year. Allison wins this, because all those young ones all open for each other and the teens show up for the opening acts.

  364. The one story I do think crossed over to the mainstream is the GMA cancelling Adam’s appearance story. But I don’t think it hurt Adam.

    Well anecdotally, it hurt him in my little circle of non-AI watching friends. His whole argument about double standards, etc. got boiled down to them in shows like ET and E!Online as Adam comparing himself to the likes of Madonna and Britney and saying that if they get to do it, then he should too. From this, they came away with the impression that Adam was quite presumptuous and arrogant in comparing himself to established acts. I was quite shocked that teh topic even came up because I don’t usually talk to them about AI (and certainly not S8) at all, but they were quite strident in their views. So yeah, VERY bad first impression to that group of people.

    Stories like this, for better or for worse, get reduced to soundbites and I suspect that there were lots of people who only casually paid attention and came to some erroneous conclusions about Adam based on reading/hearing only the headlines and soundbites.

  365. I hate having David’s name in any conversation having to do with Adam Lamebert. The more that guy talks, the more I have come to dislike him. I am so sick of his manipulative behaviour. I don’t care how well or poorly he sells. He is not worth my time, let alone my money. Done. With. Him.

  366. I know this is a ways back, but uglyduck, hypertwink also meant for this last week. Lady Gaga has a combined total between her EP and deluxe album over 300k.

    Oh, I don’t know that IndyMuse, i don’t really understand how to read all this prediction and sales and adds (just found out what adds means weeks ago) LOL
    I just saw the list from the hits and Adam is no. 2 and Gaga is no. 7 so I figured that last week Adam has sold more than Lady Gaga… if it’s combined sales than it’s not really apple to apple right? Gaga’s album and brand has been around longer than Adams’s. I do agree with hypertwink that Adam is not the best selling artist, maybe Gaga or BEP, IDK the numbers, but certainly not Adam. But for a new artist Adam certainly has a very good first week sales.

  367. To those who are interested, Adam’s FYE video will be available at Itunes on Dec. 12.

  368. The one story I do think crossed over to the mainstream is the GMA cancelling Adam’s appearance story. But I don’t think it hurt Adam.

    Well anecdotally, it hurt him in my little circle of non-AI watching friends. His whole argument about double standards, etc. got boiled down to them in shows like ET and E!Online as Adam comparing himself to the likes of Madonna and Britney and saying that if they get to do it, then he should too. From this, they came away with the impression that Adam was quite presumptuous and arrogant in comparing himself to established acts.

    And it also gave Adam international press. Yes, I read about this in European newspapers. He was pictured very favourably.

  369. Wow, so Lambert will debut at #3 in Top 200, even Archuleta debuted at #2. Hopefully better luck next time.

    “Poor, poor Adam. He must be heartbroken. I guess it could be worse-he could have been further down the list.”

    Yay!! Anything Top 5 is reason to celebrate!! I would of been a little upset if he was # 10 or #12. lol

  370. Interesting that Adam is not only being measured against the sales of others who are actually “selling” something this week, but he is being measured against other numbers that occurred in a whole different time and space continuum. Number crunchers would just laugh at this and would proceed to recalculate the earlier numbers based on “real life happenings” that impact the numbers…then would calculate in all the “changes” that would impact the earlier numbers to bring everything to a true level playing field. And the variables would be long and varied and it would take a mathematician a really long time to come up with a working formula.

    But of course this is American Idol and the competition never dies. Simon Fuller is an absolute genius….he came up with a simple premise, a voting show that got people invested in the participants and so no matter how much new material gets thrown into the mix there are always the past idols to stir things up. As apparent as it is that numbers are pretty lame based on “real life” it seems to be the only thing that matters or has any relevance to the AI fandom. And as simplistic as it may be: bring up any number from any Idol and someone will have another take on the validity of that number.

    All I am going to say is that based on Season 8 and first week sales (hard numbers without any whys or whats) the runner-up outsold the winner. Now what the tale of the numbers maybe a year from now might tell a totally different story….so I’ll revisit it then.

  371. I just have a question, I have received my FYK from Amazon UK (it’s the closest to my country), but it has the same songs, like to US one. I remember Adam saying that the European album would have a Vodoo song instead of another song?? does that mean that the international album will be released later?

  372. But I do believe you if you say it was mean spirited. But I suspect some mean spiritness was also directed at Cook as well?

    Thought Challenge of the Week: Name an idol finalist toward whom mean-spiritedness has *not* been directed.

  373. I also think that because Adam worked with better producers

    Rob Cavallo who produced songs on Adam’s record produced DC’s album.

    And this fact caused me to worry a lot about Adam’s album, lol. I love David Cook, but I really am not thrilled at all with that album. I really really want to love it, and I just don’t. ….

    So hearing that Cavallo was in again for Adam’s — was a “oh, no” to me. …. He did better on this one, though, in my opinion, and, of course, he wasn’t the only producer this time.

    Honestly, I still think that Kris’s, Adam’s, and Allison’s albums are *all* more solid and pleasing and representative of the best of *them* than most of the past 19/Sony idol debuts, including Archie’s and Cook’s. … So I sort of dare to wonder: Are they maybe learning something? But then I think, Nah; probably an accident.

  374. I just have a question, I have received my FYK from Amazon UK (it’s the closest to my country), but it has the same songs, like to US one. I remember Adam saying that the European album would have a Vodoo song instead of another song?? does that mean that the international album will be released later?

    I think so. I think I’ve heard something about their being a specific international rollout in, maybe, February or something? …

    If you’re going to specifically release internationally, I think you usually do a separate rollout, with a separate album, or albums, with at least a song or two geared toward that market or markets.

  375. If you look at Adam’s first week sales in the context of all first week sales this year (someone posted a chart higher up), he has done really really well . As for all of the supposed hype and promo, many well-established artists had similar or even more hype and promo (Rihanna and Shakira were EVERYWHERE, for example). The “hype and promo” (which I think people are overstating a bit here — the RS cover was months ago, he did no promo of FYE the single, and his promo of FYE the album essentially started with the AMA performance. So are we really just talking about the details cover and the 2012 promo? I will grant you that the media seems to love Adam) helped him achieve first week sales two and a half times higher than the AI winner. So I really don’t see how anyone can spin Adam’s first week sales as anything but solid to great.

  376. So are we really just talking about the details cover and the 2012 promo?

    I think we’re also talking about pictures of him kissing Drake. And so on. … Which I really don’t believe would help anybody sell record albums.

    Ibelieve that many people here — and maybe elsewhere — think that it probably does, or should, though, if Adam were better and hadn’t done he did at the AMAs. Because it kept his name and picture out there, I suppose the argument would go…

    Actually, though, come to think of it, what he did at the AMAs was kind of a natural followup to pictures of him kissing Drake, wasn’t it, lol? So — if the pictures were supposed to be a help to him in selling albums, then I wonder why the AMA performance is considered to be a hindrance?! They’re both high-profile attention that demonstrate he’s quite gay!

  377. Adam should have sold a ton more. So much money has been invested in him. Archie did have a hit single so he could get by with less than platinum sales. Adam could be in a lot of trouble. He can’t get a single to take off, and his itune sales are falling quickly. But, he’s got an Archie like chance at success.

    I keep hearing that a TON of money has been invested in Adam.. but I don’t see a TON. Much of his marketing and promo has been done through PR. mag covers, 2012 promos, entertainment snippets, & news articles.

    Marketing $$ have been put towards iTunes banners, internet banners, photo shoots & music vid, all of which both Kris and Allison have had this year. Now you can tell me that more was spent on the photo shoot and music vid, I’ll believe this, but not TONS. The only thing that I can see that they spent more money on is the AMA and the actual songs and maybe production (although I sounds that Rob C. worked on David C. album).

    NOw you can make a good argument that more PR folks were needed to handle the media interest and to pitch stories… that I would agree with. Those folks are on salary, but they are diverted resources, assuming they are internal folks or even contracted to an external firm, means some other RCA artist did not have as much pitching done.

  378. Wow, so Lambert will debut at #3 in Top 200, even Archuleta debuted at #2. Hopefully better luck next time.

    And yet Adam sold more albums than Archie!
    Kind of tells you why the rankings are useless and that sales are what matters.

  379. I don’t think ranking matters so much. It’s much more important to be relevant and have music that fits in the current music scene. I think that’s one of the reason that Adam is succeeding in getting really good gigs; AMA’s, Letterman and the New Year thing (if that still is on). With opprotunities like that, eventually and hopefully, he’ll be able to be succesful.

  380. Wow, so Lambert will debut at #3 in Top 200, even Archuleta debuted at #2. Hopefully better luck next time.

    And yet Adam sold more albums than Archie!
    Kind of tells you why the rankings are useless and that sales are what matters.

    LOL….and didn’t Cook debut at no. 2 or 3 but sold more than Archie? (I’m sure the cook fans — of which I am one, but don’t really follow his career — will tell me if I’m wrong about the chart position).

  381. I don’t think ranking matters so much. It’s much more important to be relevant and have music that fits in the current music scene. I think that’s one of the reason that Adam is succeeding in getting really good gigs; AMA’s, Letterman and the New Year thing (if that still is on). With opprotunities like that, eventually and hopefully, he’ll be able to be succesful.

    ITA. And, for whatever reason (I choose to believe raw talent and star potential, but YMMV) the media and music industry really seem to be rooting for Adam and think he has a lot of potential.

  382. Here are the final numbers:

    — 1 BOYLE*SUSAN I DREAMED A DREAM 700,779 999 632 701,411
    2 2 BOCELLI*ANDREA MY CHRISTMAS 217,569 18 184,791 687,068
    — 3 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 198,466 999 437 198,903
    — 4 RIHANNA RATED R 180,890 999 552 181,442
    — 5 LADY GAGA FAME MONSTER (8 TRK) 173,515 999 411 173,926
    34 6 LADY GAGA FAME 151,393 429 28,600 1,809,786
    29 7 CYRUS*MILEY TIME OF OUR LIVES EP 149,663 385 30,871 929,561
    10 8 SWIFT*TAYLOR FEARLESS 124,601 48 84,010 4,510,382
    9 9 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE PLAY ON 123,870 44 86,218 656,342
    3 10 JONES*NORAH FALL 110,150 -39 180,425 290,673
    7 11 JACKSON*MICHAEL MICHAEL JACKSON’S THIS IS IT 108,121 13 95,740 890,381
    8 12 NEW MOON (TWILIGHT) SOUNDTRACK 104,100 11 93,435 639,820
    1 13 MAYER*JOHN BATTLE STUDIES 92,153 -68 285,548 377,883
    6 14 BIEBER*JUSTIN MY WORLD 90,755 -34 136,741 227,545
    — 15 SHAKIRA SHE WOLF 89,061 999 471 89,613

    So Adam is #3, sold a little more than HDD predicted. Rihanna is #4, Lady Gaga #5 and #6.

  383. HOLY CRAP. SuBo sold 700,000 albums!!!!!!!

    I know! It’s mind-boggling.

    Are these US sales only?

    Yes. In one of the news articles here this week, I think it said that SuBo sold another 400,000 plus in the UK. So, just in two countries she’s sold over a million cd’s in a week. That’s freaking crazy.

  384. I’m happy with Adam’s sales, being a new artist. Great Start for him

  385. I’m happy with Adam’s sales, being a new artist. Great Start for him

    I am happy too :) bb’s doing great

  386. I’m happy for susan boyle. This will give her a good nest egg!!! Hopefully she will have the chance to do one more, and then she can retire to her beloved council house,…her real home. She does have a gift, even though not for all of us. Hopfully she will become littlemore
    socialized and possibly go round, and be able to sing in small venues who are likely to enjoy her fairly good skills.!!
    Yes, there was a scorced earth between her and #2.
    Adam at #3 is still doing very well and we don’t yet know how he has done
    internationally!!??,…. and he is still ahead of Ga Ga and Rhianna.Yays!!!!

  387. Well anecdotally, it hurt him in my little circle of non-AI watching friends. His whole argument about double standards, etc. got boiled down to them in shows like ET and E!Online as Adam comparing himself to the likes of Madonna and Britney and saying that if they get to do it, then he should too. From this, they came away with the impression that Adam was quite presumptuous and arrogant in comparing himself to established acts.

    That’s interesting, Keel. It confirms that the story did leak in a big way, but I figured the general perception would have been more sympathetic to Adam than GMA, especially with the Chris Brown angle added into the mix. Huh. I wonder if your friends POV is the norm?

    I love David Cook, but I really am not thrilled at all with that album. I really really want to love it, and I just don’t. ‘ ¦.

    And I feel the same way about Adam and just the opposite about Cook. I adore Cook’s creative effort for it’s singular artistic voice and well written tunes that held up super well live. Love Adam, but still can’t get excited about his album. The artistic schitzophrenia bugs me more than I thought it would and I think the laundry list of writers and producers is too painfully obvious. I hope it does not serve as any sort of blueprint for future album success, but I still wish him well and want to catch him live. His evolution as a live performer is gonna be fun to see as long as he doesn’t let the AMA controversy or all the media attention mess with his head too much.

    Honestly, I still think that Kris’s, Adam’s, and Allison’s albums are *all* more solid and pleasing and representative of the best of *them* than most of the past 19/Sony idol debuts, including Archie’s and Cook’s.

    Hmmm, not sure that I agree. Of the three S8 you mentioned, I think Adam’s strongest songs (Fever, Soaked, Broken Open) are my favorite individual songs of the bunch, but Kris comes out ahead as far as putting something out there that makes an effort to say something interesting while still hanging together as an album (even though his songwriting is not really my thing.) On first listen, Ally’s album largely played like a Kelly/Pink hybrid with a tiny dash of Miley, and I’m still not sure who Allison is in all that. I do like her voice, though, and if it’s still streaming I might give it another go to see if I was off with the first impression.

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