Glee – “Never Been Kissed” – Photos & Videos

GLEE: L-R: Artie (Kevin McHale),  Sam (Chord Overstreet),  Kurt (Chris Colfer),  Finn (Cory Monteith),  Mike (Harry Shum Jr.) and Puck (Mark Salling) perform for Coach Beiste (R) in the "Never Been Kissed" episode of GLEE airing Tuesday,  Nov. 9 (8:00-9:01 PM ET/PT) on FOX. ©2010 Fox Broadcasting Co. CR: Adam Rose/FOX

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57 Comments

  1. This is such a sad theme tonight. I know this is taking place every day and I am not sure a message from Madoona (on the Ellen Show) will work. There was a 14 year-old girl who committed suicide after harassment from kids because she filed a rape report (against a high school senior). Bullying needs to be addressed.

    EDIT: This story is on the news today.

  2. Who have directed this is incredible, they are managing to blend humor into such a serious issue. Turning into one of the best episodes of the season

  3. Sad theme yes, and unfortunately those that really need to see this show would never be caught dead watching Glee. I applaud Glee for tackling the issue of gay bullying but unfortunately the message will fall on deaf ears.

  4. Sad theme yes, and unfortunately those that really need to see this show would never be caught dead watching Glee.

    I’m sure plenty of bullies watch Glee.

  5. Great episode on bullying. The last scene with the guy kissing Kurt was an over-exaggeration of the underlying fear of some bullies of gays that they might turn into one themselves. They must learn Its not a choice. If you’re not you’re not. Regardless of some feelings that maybe hard to understand. Anyway great show so far. I predict this will be Emmy nominated. The Beiste story line is great too as well as the Puck one. We are all in some small way part of the problem and in a big way part of the solution. This is really a well written episode.

  6. I applaud Glee for this episode, and I wish every single show on television would have one like it.

    I so totally agree with this. A lot of shows have been focusing this subject lately, but GLEE did the best by far. Definitely should have Emmy nominations.

  7. That episode wasn’t long enough, could of watched that for another hour.

  8. I did not care for this episode.

    It had its moments but I had a really hard time swallowing it.

    While I know this will absolutely not win me any fans, but bullying is now the new hot topic and I’m a teacher and I COMPLETELY understand its implications and how horrible it can be, but did we have to have a whole episode dedicated to it just because it’s the new “issue”?

    This watched like one of those old “after school specials” I used to watch with some wonderful lesson at the end. Call me crazy but I didn’t particularly like it with Glee. I was okay, in fact I really enjoyed when Ryan Murphy did the religion episode, but this…this is now starting to feel like “how can I make Glee fit into a current social issue.”

    I had watched the snippet of “Teenage Dream” many times over the weekend and loved it. To me, this is still one of the best things about the episode. However, Blaine’s character was ABSOLUTELY ruined for me. If he didn’t become Kurt’s gay pillar of strength and spokesperson for how to stand up to bullying I would have probably loved Blaine. But now I’m left with a bad feeling.

    This whole episode just felt like Ryan Murphy was pushing the social issue and it really irked me.

    Can Glee just go back to not being an after school special please?

  9. Fantastic episode. Treated the subject matter with respect. Nice to see the Bubs again, and Puck too. Kirk goes from no love interest to two potential love interests, Darren Criss is fab, and the all boy/all girl mash ups were better than the first time.

  10. but did we have to have a whole episode dedicated to it just because it’s the new “issue”?

    Some kid just this week left a note before stepping in front of a tractor trailor, so I’d say yes.

    If any show should be dealing with it- it’s Glee.

    I am not sure how I felt about the twist. I think it would have been better to just leave the kid a bully and not a self hater, but I did let out a pretty loud OH MY GOD, lol. Was not expecting that. I have suspected for a long time that bullys to that extent are self haters, I just don’t know how common it is.

    Great episode though.

  11. While I know this will absolutely not win me any fans, but bullying is now the new hot topic and I’m a teacher and I COMPLETELY understand its implications and how horrible it can be, but did we have to have a whole episode dedicated to it just because it’s the new “issue”?

    See this to me is the problem whether its an after school special feeling to you or not it needs to be brought into the forefront. Too many time it has been pushed aside or allowed. Its wrong and people are dying because of it. Its about time its the new Issue. I for one feel it is a very important issue and I will take whatever light is being shown on this disgusting tolerated behavior and the lifes that it ruins. The episode ended with Kurt being thrown into the lockers again. Brilliant because Bullying doesn’t stop with one show or a one time confrontation but it has to start somewhere. Don’t know why a social issue this important being shown irks you. I hope you can realize the positive that comes from the episode out-ways your issue with it. Just the fact its being discussed by us to me is reason enough to applaud the effort of the episode. I am sure as a teacher there is a lot you’ve had to witness and its a very sensitive issue for you. I was a person who was bullied and to me it was an episode long overdue. But I respect your viewpoint. The work really begins with all of us.

    For the record I don’t get what is wrong with after School specials. :-) The taught me a lot growing up. I think they should bring them back. If some of my favorite tv shows have episodes that are after school special like All the better learning is never wrong. :mrgreen:

  12. Sad theme yes, and unfortunately those that really need to see this show would never be caught dead watching Glee. I applaud Glee for tackling the issue of gay bullying but unfortunately the message will fall on deaf ears.

    It doesn’t matter. It’s out there on one of the hottest shows there is right now, which means people will talk about it. The more noise there is, the harder it is to ignore.

    This watched like one of those old “after school specials” I used to watch with some wonderful lesson at the end. Call me crazy but I didn’t particularly like it with Glee. I was okay, in fact I really enjoyed when Ryan Murphy did the religion episode, but this…this is now starting to feel like “how can I make Glee fit into a current social issue.”

    Ah … see, I totally feel the opposite on all your points. I wanted to like the religion episode, but that one to me felt like it was trying too hard to contrive a message that didn’t hold enough its weight. But Glee has ALWAYS been a show of social commentary … arguably even more than it is a show with a cohesive story. It’s a show about a bunch of kids who are outcasts for a variety of reasons. They just had a stronger issue this time that happens to be one that is talked a lot about these days. And I think this episode of Glee has MUCH LESS of an after school special feel than the shows popular with the younger audience of the 90’s (Boy Meets World; Saved By the Bell) because it flows quite well with Kurt’s character development. I think it’s more of a happy coincidence (happy, in the way that it works well, not the sad issue itself). All things considered I’m sure this is more of a thing that is personally close to Ryan Murphy rather than an effort to make Glee a public relations medium.

  13. For the record I don’t get what is wrong with after School specials. :-) The taught me a lot growing up. I think they should bring them back. If some of my favorite tv shows have episodes that are after school special like All the better learning is never wrong. :mrgreen:

    Please don’t misunderstand, I have no issue with After School Specials otherwise I wouldn’t have watched them so much growing up. :)

    It might be my own personal experience but I deal with bullying on a daily basis, and while I understand that it is in the forefront now, and I do feel that it should be….people get bullied. They get bullied as kids, they get bullied as teenagers, they get bullied as adults in their careers. It happens. What I do think is the right thing to do is show kids how to seek help in terms of how to deal with a bully but we will never, EVER be able to stamp out bullying. I spend day after day teaching my kids new ways to deal with these issues early on because I want them to realize a). it won’t go away. b). how to handle being bullied. I can try as hard as possible but while I might get the bully to stop picking on one child, it won’t be long before they find another one…and the cycle continues…

    Maybe it was the fact that I do deal with this every single day that this episode left me kinda feeling let down. I understand that many people don’t deal with this daily and therefore this episode was more than likely more poignant and welcomed issue to be brought to light, especially if they had been bullied in the past.

    However, to me, it feel like sometimes there are two different seasons of Glee going on within one. There is the light and fluffy Glee, and then there is what I’m referring to as “After School Special” Glee. Sometimes I feel like TPTB behind Glee are just finding the current “hot issue” to make an episode around and while I understand the importance it shouldn’t come at a sacrifice to the rest of the show. While I don’t feel it hindered the plot(what plot? Glee has a plot? :)) it just starts making me mad when I feel that the series is getting tweaked to make sure it addresses some issue.

    I don’t mind that usually but when a show seems to be going out of its way to make sure it does forgoing what the show is supposed to be about, it kinda drives me nuts.

  14. Please don’t misunderstand, I have no issue with After School Specials otherwise I wouldn’t have watched them so much growing up.

    No I get what you are feeling and do agree with you on the whole. I just think this issue is one that the ends justify the means kind of thing. My sister and Brother are both teachers so I kind of know what you must see and deal with everyday.

    I really wasn’t singling you out on the After school special remark above. I have seen this as a viewpoint before and I use to love after school specials. I do think they should bring them back but maybe I am old fashioned.

  15. The bullying issue needs to be brought into the forefront. Too many times it has been pushed aside or allowed. Its wrong and people are dying because of it. I for one feel it is a very important issue and I will take whatever light is being shown on this disgusting tolerated behavior and the life’s that it ruins. The episode ended with Kurt being thrown into the lockers again. Brilliant because Bullying doesn’t stop with one show or a one time confrontation but it has to start somewhere. The fact its being discussed by all of us to me is reason enough to applaud the effort of the episode. I was a person who was bullied and to me it was an episode long overdue. The real work to effect change starts with all of us.

  16. St. Lucia ~ I completely understand where you’re coming from and pretty much agree with you. I want Glee to make me laugh and I’m okay with it to have a few serious moments….one if it’s charms was the fact that it was politically incorrect most of the time. Lately it seems like Ryan Murphy is using it as a platform to address all his old issues from childhood.

    I did like the performances in this episode more than most of the others and I kinda liked the shock value in parts. I’m okay with them addressing the issue of bullying but why not spread it out a little, why focus on Kurt so much?? Plus it was so somber….I miss the old Kurt, this new whiney one is annoying me lately. How come they never focus on all the bullying Rachel puts up with?? She gets a boatload all the time too. There’s plenty of bullying that has nothing to do with sexuality, especially nowadays.

    On an up note….I am THRILLED that Puck is back, eventhough he was a total d-bag in this ep. I’m just happy to be looking at him again! It was funny when Brittany was squeezing Artie’s leg! Next week should be interesting with Gwenyth!

  17. I’m okay with them addressing the issue of bullying but why not spread it out a little, why focus on Kurt so much?? Plus it was so somber….I miss the old Kurt, this new whiney one is annoying me lately. How come they never focus on all the bullying Rachel puts up with?? She gets a boatload all the time too. There’s plenty of bullying that has nothing to do with sexuality, especially nowadays.

    Bingo. THAT I would have bought. Why was the bullying ONLY Kurt? Because he’s gay? Easy target? What? Just the run of the mill people get bullied as well, why couldn’t this have been brought more into the forefront? Kurt, the entire Glee club for that matter, have been bullied all series long(I mean getting slushied isn’t an enjoyable experience I’m sure). But I already felt they tweaked a little bit of the show to make it more “bully centric” so maybe I should be thankful they didn’t go overkill on it and make more than just Kurt bullied…but really haven’t we been dealing with bullying since the get go?

    What I WISH was done was maybe bring the bullying into more of a forefront with a few episodes as possibly a story line for Kurt…but no, instead we get a whole episode pretty much dedicated to just that and I guarantee next week there will be no mention of it again. It might be 4 or 5 episodes before we see the football player make another appearance if that.3

    Sometimes Glee is all or nothing.

  18. I did like the performances in this episode more than most of the others and I kinda liked the shock value in parts. I’m okay with them addressing the issue of bullying but why not spread it out a little, why focus on Kurt so much?? Plus it was so somber….I miss the old Kurt, this new whiney one is annoying me lately. How come they never focus on all the bullying Rachel puts up with?? She gets a boatload all the time too. There’s plenty of bullying that has nothing to do with sexuality, especially nowadays.

    See I think they did address other forms of bullying. Beiste was bullied, in a manner, Puck was actually bullied in the reform school we didn’t see it but he talked about it at the end. And his talk with the parole office and the school about how they are not really interested in helping him is very real too. Its true and in a way is a form of bullying. I personally think Artie showed that offering compassion and understanding helped Puck realize that he was becoming his own worse enemy. Oh and Sue Bullies everybody. ;-)

    I do think they focused on the gay bullying as a lot of gay teenagers are committing suicide because of bullying. Ryan Murphy is gay so he has a better understanding of the issue and it is more personal for him. Its only an hour show. But I do agree the focus of bullying should be shown on multiple levels. Hopefully other shows will show those other viewpoints as well.

    I also think it was interesting that the Glee club who is bullied by others bullied Beiste. You would think because it happened to them they would be more compassionate they weren’t at first until it was brought to their attention. I think this is a very real thing. Just because one is abused and attacked doesn’t mean they will be understanding and compassionate and not do the same thing themselves. Again I think very well written

  19. I really enjoyed just about every aspect of this episode!! It was filled with great moments. Loved the Beiste storyline and the cool-off moments, I almost cried for her.
    I didn’t like the boys’ mashup as much as the girls’…even tho the Boys including a message for coach was sentimental. The girls looked fierce.

    On a less shallow note: I was super impressed with how they weaved themes of fear, ignorance and identity into the mix with several characters.
    Puck became an even bigger a-hole @McKinley because he was scared to have to face down hard core bullies at the alternative school. More to come with him and Artie for sure.
    Bieste wants to be feared but admired and liked at the same time. She has a hard shell but she’s a softy.
    Santana and Brittany so much want affection and attention they’ll go out with boys that treat them like crap.
    And then there’s Kurt. I’m really liking Blaine and his nurturing side. See, GLEE has had bullies since episode ONE. Guys on the football team shoved, taunted, and slushied members of the club for being different. Remarks made to Finn, Artie and/or Kurt were certainly anti-gay with many comments having to do with hitting high notes or staring at someone in the boys shower.

  20. I want Glee to make me laugh and I’m okay with it to have a few serious moments….one if it’s charms was the fact that it was politically incorrect most of the time. Lately it seems like Ryan Murphy is using it as a platform to address all his old issues from childhood.

    I disagree. I don’t think of all the writers and producers Ryan works with, the issue is only specific to him.

  21. I love that Glee has heart and has a social conscience. I don’t think the ep. was off-putting or tweaked JUST for this issue/topic. I think characters are being branded for future developments which is great. Teenagers evolve and learn and grow. Kurt has been brewing for awhile this season. The jock kissing him was expected, for me. When Kurt says he wasn’t his type, I expected the guy to grimace or back up. He actually got defensive.
    Kurt can’t let “them” win. If teachers won’t listen or friends won’t stick up for him, he can only control how he reacts to the harassment. Most of the time you can’t change a bully, that’s their own journey.

  22. I really enjoyed just about every aspect of this episode!! It was filled with great moments. Loved the Beiste storyline and the cool-off moments, I almost cried for her.
    I didn’t like the boys’ mashup as much as the girls’…even tho the Boys including a message for coach was sentimental. The girls looked fierce.

    Though you didn’t directly intend to help me thank you for Spelling Bieste name correctly. I was spelling it wrong. Duh!. I also liked your posts and agree with them. You said a lot of things I wanted to say and kind of thought I was but you said it more clearing. So Thanks :-)

  23. I’m okay with them addressing the issue of bullying but why not spread it out a little, why focus on Kurt so much?? Plus it was so somber….I miss the old Kurt, this new whiney one is annoying me lately. How come they never focus on all the bullying Rachel puts up with??

    Kurt could certainly open up to Glee members about the bullying he has faced recently, perhaps in an upcoming ep. That will unleash the floodgates as Artie, Mercedes, Puck, Rachel and others have certainly faced prejudice. The club is made up entirely of outcasts. They are alike and bond with the fact that they are viewed as different from everyone else at school. The kids get along because they can be normal with each other; common ground is found because they are so unique and Mr. Schue let’s them celebrate that!!!

    I think Kurt and the harassment he faces due to his sexuality is much more of an exceptional storyline in this day and age because IF: Puck was punched because he was Jewish, Mercedes was taunted for being black, or if someone made a cartoon of Rachel’s nose or Tina’s eyes or Artie without legs…. there would be widespread outrage.
    When Kurt is made fun of for liking boys, (to me) not ENOUGH outrage.

  24. dhunken

    We are all in some small way part of the problem and in a big way part of the solution. This is really a well written episode.

    Yes and Yes. I love this!! I learned a little about how I can better relate to others and I was never a bully. I was usually the victim.

  25. I think Kurt and the harassment he faces due to his sexuality is much more of an exceptional storyline in this day and age because IF: Puck was punched because he was Jewish, Mercedes was taunted for being black, or if someone made a cartoon of Rachel’s nose or Tina’s eyes or Artie without legs…. there would be widespread outrage.
    When Kurt is made fun of for liking boys, (to me) not ENOUGH outrage.

    Well Said….I didn’t even look at it this way. See this is why I love MJ’s and getting the viewpoints from other. It helps me be a better me.

  26. Seriously I thought this was the best episode of the season. Strong story line, plot advancement, and the music organically integrated into the story. Reminded me of a first season episode. I like Blaine a lot. Curt needs a pillar of strength right now and I loved his character. I am totally hoping Kurt tranfers schools now. LOL! j/k..but really one of the best eps so far. And once again,the boys smoked the girls in the mash up. I think letting Lea sing lead was a big problem. She doesn’t have the power or rawness to sing lead in those songs. But loved the boys mash up. And yes, i agree with everyone who says taking on bullying in a popular show is great. Its gone on for ever and like hazing, no one really steps up to do anything about it. People see it everyday and just are so wearied they don’t take any action. So bravo.

  27. I thought that this episode displayed the aspects perfectly. I feel so bad for that jock. I totally loved Kurt standing up to him, but the reaction was a pretty shocking reality. I think that the bullying kinda stems from both pro-gay and anti-gay people giving homosexuality a label of “good” or “bad”. It doesn’t deserve either of those labels (ESPECIALLY not “bad”). The jock was tormented by these labels, and he pretty much took out his internal conflicts on Kurt. It’s pretty tragic.

  28. I think that the bullying kinda stems from both pro-gay and anti-gay people giving homosexuality a label of “good” or “bad”. It doesn’t deserve either of those labels (ESPECIALLY not “bad”).

    Sorry Jammasta, you’ve totally lost me here.

  29. St. Lucia. I don’t agree with you overall about this episode, but I’m glad that you brought up your problem with it. One thing that’s kind of bugged me about Glee is how inevitable and accepted the bullying is — whether it’s Kurt being bullied or the ND members in general. The show already addressed Bieste’s bullying (and victimization) in this season, and it feels like Kurt’s frustration has been building up for several episodes, including last season’s Lady Gaga tribute, when he was physically bullied.

    I like that the solution that episode (the Glee kids banding together to outnumber the bullies) was only one solution. It didn’t completely solve the problem. In this show, Kurt tried other strategies — checking out another school, finding support with Blaine, confronting the bully. Will this work for Kurt in the long run? Let’s hope, but I think the show is telling us that there is no quick or easy solution.

    This situation does need to stop. It’s unacceptable that children are afraid to go to school. I’m glad Glee is addressing this. Since it already has a gay teenager in the cast, it’s less contrived for Glee to address the issue than, say, Parenthood.

  30. I think that the bullying kinda stems from both pro-gay and anti-gay people giving homosexuality a label of “good” or “bad”. It doesn’t deserve either of those labels (ESPECIALLY not “bad”).

    To me, by labeling homosexuality as “good” or “bad”, it’s like we’re saying it’s not normal. Something seen as abnormal may easily be seen as a target for bullying and tension.

    It made more sense in my head >_>.

  31. Sad theme yes, and unfortunately those that really need to see this show would never be caught dead watching Glee. I applaud Glee for tackling the issue of gay bullying but unfortunately the message will fall on deaf ears.

    You’re assuming two things. One, that the sort of person who bullies or becomes a bully would not watch a show like Glee. And two, that just because someone likes Glee, they don’t need to be educated about bullying. Two large assumptions that may not necessarily be true.

    Also, most kids are not bullies but they may also not want to speak up for those being bullied for fear of being targeted themselves. This episode could encourage those passive bystander kids (and adults) to be more proactive.

  32. I’m okay with them addressing the issue of bullying but why not spread it out a little, why focus on Kurt so much?? Plus it was so somber….I miss the old Kurt, this new whiney one is annoying me lately. How come they never focus on all the bullying Rachel puts up with?? She gets a boatload all the time too. There’s plenty of bullying that has nothing to do with sexuality, especially nowadays.

    Both dhunken and mandabutter already addressed this in detail very well so I won’t repeat what they wrote. Some folks think this episode seemed to focus mostly on Kurt being bullied without addressing the issue for others. His storyline took up about 11 minutes (including the Dalton Academy song) of the total 42.5 minute runtime this episode. The Puck/Artie storyline was also about bullying (with the bully himself being the victim of others) but was played mostly for laughs except for the very end, so it may not have seemed as serious about the subject matter compared with Kurt’s.

    As for not focusing on Rachel being bullied, have you been watching this series at all? One of the common complaints is that Rachel is too often the main focus of the storylines. She’s certainly had more than her fair share of bullying storylines but she’s also been allowed to have romantic relationships with the quarterback (Finn), the resident bad ass (Puck) and Vocal Adrenaline’s star (Jesse). Despite being labeled outcasts, Artie, Tina and Mercedes have all managed to have romances with folks from the “in” crowd. What romantic relationships has Kurt had?

    The last scene with the guy kissing Kurt was an over-exaggeration of the underlying fear of some bullies of gays that they might turn into one themselves.

    dhunken, this isn’t necessarily an exaggeration. It’s just pointing out that one of the reasons a person might be way over-the-top in their bullying of someone gay is because they themselves harbour feelings of same-gender attraction but don’t want to admit it or are afraid others might find out. In fact, Lance Bass has admitted he was a bully himself when he was younger and in the closet.

  33. this isn’t necessarily an exaggeration. It’s just pointing out that one of the reasons a person might be way over-the-top in their bullying of someone gay is because they themselves harbour feelings of same-gender attraction but don’t want to admit it or are afraid others might find out. In fact, Lance Bass has admitted he was a bully himself when he was younger and in the closet.

    This is what made the episode great! It was a little predictable for Kurt to be the subject of the bullying but I was so not expecting that kiss. There are all kinds of bullies and bullies for lots of reasons. I’m glad they chose to show one that isn’t necessarily typical.

    I loved the music tonight, too. The mashup was great!

  34. While I appreciate the message that this episode wants to impart, this episode i a and will always be about Darren Criss for me. Just wonderful.

  35. As for not focusing on Rachel being bullied, have you been watching this series at all? One of the common complaints is that Rachel is too often the main focus of the storylines. She’s certainly had more than her fair share of bullying storylines but she’s also been allowed to have romantic relationships with the quarterback (Finn), the resident bad ass (Puck) and Vocal Adrenaline’s star (Jesse). Despite being labeled outcasts, Artie, Tina and Mercedes have all managed to have romances with folks from the “in” crowd. What romantic relationships has Kurt had?

    Okay first,I did say the episode MOSTLY focused on Kurt, not only…I did completely get the focus on Puck and Beiste but it wasn’t nearly as prominent. And as for Rachel…Yes I have been watching the series which is why I said it in the first place. So what if she’s has romantic relationships (does Jesse even count considering how that turned out?? And the Puck thing barely happened….eventhough I do think that would be a good storyline but still….barely) she gets heaped on all the time by the girls and she generally gets treated like an annoyance on a regular basis, even her boyfriend is constantly telling her what’s wrong with her. That kind of “bullying” leads to some serious issues in high school girls so yeah I do think it would’ve been good to include it as well. For me personally she pretty much makes the show so I don’t mind when storylines focus on her…I do realize that’s not the opinion of the majority around here but obviously I don’t seem to be of the same mindset.

    For the record, I like that they addressed Kurt’s issues but I just felt it was being shoved down my throat a bit…everyone is entitled to their own opinion and that’s mine. I want him to have a boyfriend soon so we can get happy Kurt back!

  36. Why can’t the episode be about Kurt? Is it really that big a deal?

    The thing is, when there is any kind of population that is considered “out of the norm” in any way, they do not often see thier stories. Think everything. News, TV, movies, commericals… everything. If you are gay, the world is a 24 hour 7 day a week bombardment of straight people and ther stories, their concerns, their desires. But straight people don’t see it that way, to us its just normal . All those commericals built around attracting the opposite sex, all those movies with star crossed lovers, all those news stories about families and kids how everything in the world effects your ability to have those things… those are told as straight people stories 99% of the time. And when gay people are introduced, they are usually only there is ways that many straight people can tolerate. They have no sex lives, they are the best friends/side characters (usually bitchily funny), they are unhappy in love.

    Given those circumstances, I think a Glee episode that puts Kurt’s expereices with bullying up front and center for one week is good. He’s been playing a whole bunch of “sad, queeny, bitchy/funy gay” stereotypes from the beginning. Now he may even get 2 love interests, AND he gets kissed? I can live without everyone else being the focus for once myself. :D

  37. [Rachel] gets heaped on all the time by the girls and she generally gets treated like an annoyance on a regular basis, even her boyfriend is constantly telling her what’s wrong with her. That kind of “bullying” leads to some serious issues in high school girls so yeah I do think it would’ve been good to include it as well.

    I LOVE that you said this! The relationship between Finn & Rachel really makes me uneasy – it’s all about how Finn finds her annoying, how Rachel admits she’s annoying, and how they work together to try improve Rachel to be a “better” human being. Self-loathing is a huge problem among USA female teens, and this show promotes it. Every female, be it Rachel, Quinn, Sue, Emma, Santana, April, Will’s exwife, or the VA coach, is a woman who the show teaches us needs to brought down a peg or 2 or needs to be fixed, and when they are, they become softer, happier, and more reasonable and compliant, like all good women should be. Ick…

    OK, getting off my hobby horse and onto the current topic…

    We focus on the victims, as they well deserve our attention and our assistance, but we should really focus more on who bullies are, what makes them want to bully, and try to resolve that issue. Teaching victims to stand up for themselves won’t stop bullies – they’ll just move on to other targets. I was bullied heavily as a child, and I got plenty of attention & assistance from teachers for it, but even in my child brain I thought “why aren’t these teachers find out what’s wrong with the bullies?” We ought to treat bullying as a mental health issue and treat bullies accordingly. So I praise Glee for at least devoting a scene to one underlying motivation of the bully.

  38. Glee just keeps getting better.
    The twist reminded me of the movie American Beauty, where an ultra homophobic character was actually a closeted gay.
    Kudos, again.

  39. This episode and Holy Cheesus were the 2 WORST episodes of Glee that “I” have watched.

    I didn’t like the bullying of Kurt – the end!!!

    Puck’s storyline was a little OTT.

    The Beiste storyline was just dumb.

    Best thing about the episode was that Rachel was quiet.

    I deleted this episode as soon as I watched it, just like I did Holy Cheesus. I still like the show, I just didn’t like the episode enough to even remotely think I would watch it again.

  40. I loved this episode. I think they handled the subject matter really well, including surprise twists and turns, and the music was great.

  41. They are losing me. Kurt tells a teacher and the teacher asks “how can I help?” That’s it? That’s the anti-bully no tolerance policy?

    And then there’s all the make-out sex scenes. It can’t be an anti-bulling show because the age group that needs to start thinking about it shouldn’t watch the darn show. By the time the bullying storyline got going I was the only one in the family left watching. All I can figure is that they are heating up the water for us lobsters so that when Kurt is finally the last kid to lose his virginity we will already be cooked and not even raise an eyebrow.

    And finally the music. I’m getting fed up with the overproduction visually as well as vocally. On Teenage dream it sounds like it’s not even by “the glee cast”.

  42. Loved this episode! Loved it!

    I too deal with bullying in schools on a regular basis as part of educational programs which I present in K – 6 grades. We actually go in with several different topics which we discuss. When we bring up bullying kids are relieved. This is a problem they want help with.

    The issue of the school employee not having a solution to me is totally accurate. Even in schools with “no tolerance” (which even our area elementary schools have), bullying is often ignored by the faculy and administrators because they feel powerless to help or simply don’t want to get involved. Often a student is told that “put up with it/fight back until it goes away” or “this is just a fact of life, you got to go through it”.

    And while he was the main focus of the storyline, Kurt wasn’t the only one who discussed being bullied in the episode. Artie, Beiste and even tough guy Puck talked about their experiences as well.

    And yes, we need to help the bullies as well as the bullied. BUT in order to change, someone must want to change – all the help in the world goes to naught if that is not the case. Our discussions in the schools involve the bullies too – some do want help – but most either don’t, or will not admit it. Not giving up though :)

  43. I really enjoyed this episode of Glee. I would have liked it to be longer by at least a half hour.

    I don’t get the criticism that their trying to exploit or capitalize on current news stories. Hasn’t this show been about bullying since the start? How many times did we see Artie thrown in a dumpster or knocked down in an porta-potty in the first few episodes last year? They’ve also concentrated on Kurt’s struggles with being an out gay teenager before.

    This story line of Kurt getting a boyfriend had been planned back in the summer and I’m sure it wasn’t just thrown together. Speaking of story lines, I’m glad there actually was one this week. I haven’t liked the shows that they’ve done just to feature some pop artist.

    I hope they further develop the bully character. I want to see more of his story.

    What bothers me is that nobody ever seems to come to anyone’s aid or stand up for them. Yes, they did once. But why aren’t the teachers, guidance counsellor, principal, parents getting involved?

  44. What bothers me is that nobody ever seems to come to anyone’s aid or stand up for them. Yes, they did once. But why aren’t the teachers, guidance counsellor, principal, parents getting involved?

    I agree Twig. For both the bully & the victim it should be a team effort with the family also involved if possible. I haven’t see this episode yet but I also hope they develop the bully character. I do believe we usually see things from the victims point of view but to try & see things from the bully’s point of view would be a change. They also need help with their own insecurities .

    I loved the mashups in these videos – I thought the girls did a great job & I also thought Rachel’s voice was less annoying than usual- she blended wiith the others more this time.

  45. I don’t get the criticism that their trying to exploit or capitalize on current news stories. Hasn’t this show been about bullying since the start?

    Yes, or at least the highschool crew trying to celebrate their differences in the face of ALL the criticism they face on a daily basis – from home, friends, cheerleading coaches, etc.

  46. I want to see them develop the storyline or revisit the Football bully (whether he is self-hating or confused, IDK). But I wanna put in my vote for NO on him being a love interest for Kurt. Maybe that’s just my bias and they can make real strides to have the jock come to terms with why he has so much aggression, but…. really? The kiss was pretty much an assault (imo). I know I would have been traumatized. A possible b/f for Kurt? That needs to be Blaine.

  47. I wanted to share that I love this thread, all the opinions, views, and warm fuzzy feelings we get when we share and learn. :)
    Yes GLEE Can!

  48. The jock was tormented by these labels, and he pretty much took out his internal conflicts on Kurt.

    Does anyone recall Lance Bass saying that he did bully gay kids in high school. Maybe this is part of it? I didn’t expect that move by the bully as some of you did. Want to bet the bully was or is being hit by a parent?

    I agree the all boy/all girl mash ups were better than the first time. I liked the girls song better.

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