David Cook and The Midwest Kings at the Flytrap, Tulsa OK – VIDEO

David Cook joined his old band the Midwest Kings, Thursday, Feb. 18 as they took the stage at their old stomping grounds, The Flytrap in Tulsa OK.

Two of David’s current bandmates, Neal Tiemann and Andy Skib are the core of MWK. (that’s Andy on lead vocals). While David’s current drummer, Kyle Peek, and ex-bass player, Joey Clement sat in with the band.

Check out some of the performances, after the jump…

Thank you cougerslovecook.com

Video after the JUMP

Anodyne

Killing More Than Time

Stuck Under Wheels

Circles Anthem

Make Me

Call to Arms

Til I’m Blue

The Scarlet Letters

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202 Comments

  1. My favorite has to be “Killing More Than Time”. I just flove it. My second (from last night) would be “Call to Arms”.

  2. Thank you so much for this thread!!! I love the fact that David stepped back and supported these wonderful musicians who have supported him, esp during the last year’s tour. Love the harmonies, love the music from this Tulsa gang.
    NOTE – Kyle Peek, on drums last night, is also a member of Cookie’s current band. The bass player, Joey Clement, was part of the group but left to play with Selena Gomez, Alex Band and others
    note – These two YouTube accounts also have vids up from the show:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/angelangiekc and http://www.youtube.com/user/jsalow2

  3. I said this yesterday on the headlines thread, but I just love this.

    Love that DC is comfortable enough with himself that he can go and play backup with his old band like it was no big deal. Love that his old band want to include him and aren’t worried that the DC/Idol thing might overshadow proceedings.

    And, on a disgustingly shallow note :lol – love the hair and results of recent training programs!

  4. Thanks for posting these MJ, I love Til I’m Blue. David being there was completely unexpected and noone knew he would be there until the day before. It was only supposed to be MWK sans David. It looks like everyone had a good time and the crowd was very appreciative of the group. This is like a glimpse back in time for David and these guys to before Idol and even before Analog Heart.

  5. Actually, Kyle (the drummer) is also a member of David’s current band. Joey (the bass player) used to be, until August. Really, switch Dave’s and Andy’s positions from last night, and you have David’s band for a large part of his tour.

    Neal and Andy are the principal members of MWK, though. Neal’s the songwriter and lead guitarist, and Andy’s the frontman. The other positions tend to have revolving members.

    Thanks for the videos. They’re really good. I love these songs. They played almost all of my favorites (no Waiting Room, though). I wish I could have gone to that show, it looks like it was an absolutely amazing night. And I didn’t realize how much I missed Joey (though I love Monty). It was sweet to watch him sing along and play around with Dave on stage.

    And here’s the new song. Until Dawn . I like it. Does it remind anyone else of a Beatles song or other in parts?

    I can’t stop watching Circles’ Anthem. Mic sharing FTW. They need to turn that into a habit.

  6. Actually, Kyle (the drummer) is also a member of David’s current band. Joey (the bass player) used to be, until August. Really, switch Dave’s and Andy’s positions from last night, and you have David’s band for a large part of his tour.

    Yep. If one bean is in the middle then the band is the Anthemic, and if that same bean is on the left side then the band is MWK. I miss Joey. Don’t get me wrong Monty is fine.

  7. Okay, this is kind of amazing:

    @clementville Thankyou @montyanderson For your help yesturday,and for your sweet 6×10 cabinet. That was clutch. Bassists. You just gotta love em!!

    I love how they all just refuse to be awkward about the whole thing.

    Stuck Under Wheels works for me a lot better live than recorded (not that I dislike it recorded); the phrasing feels looser. And it was a pretty good setlist top to bottom. Good on you, boys.

    Oh, and if I were going to be shallow, I would say one distinct advantage of Cook singing backup now and then is that it gives him more opportunities to pound the guitar. I like the guitar-beating.

  8. Oh, and if I were going to be shallow, I would say one distinct advantage of Cook singing backup now and then is that it gives him more opportunities to pound the guitar. I like the guitar-beating.

    I know! I keep watching the end of Call to Arms for the guitar beating. (speaking of arms, those trips to the gym are really working, are they not?)

  9. New song (Til Dawn) sounds good. They sold CDs of the Luna Despierta EP at the show — which previously was available only as a digital download. The liner notes confirmed that David co-wrote Anodyne (one of my fave songs EVER) with Neal. Ridiculous how much I love that song.

    And yes, fadetowhite, I’ll join you in that disgusting shallow end. Boy looks really good.

  10. I don’t know what it is but I really love this picture of Dave and Andy from last night. I just think it’s cool how tight the communication is between these guys on stage. They obviously love working and playing together in whatever incarnation. All such fine musicians, really working hard and getting better and better together.

    Oh, and I always liked Joey fine but I don’t miss him. I’ve seen them with both lineups and I really just enjoy Monty on stage – he really grounds the band in a laid-back, solid way. Joey in retrospect always seemed so frantic. Just a matter of taste though – it’s obvious there are no hard feelings and they all enjoy working with each other for different reasons.

  11. And, on a disgustingly shallow note :lol – love the hair and results of recent training programs!

    When he tweeted we’d get to see the results of the new trainer soon he wasn’t kidding I guess. Nice work personal trainer person! I’d also like to express my personal thanks to whoever traded him t-shirts right before the show.

    Already posted in the headlines thread, but bringing it over here, if Dave wasn’t so good as a lead singer I’d almost have to regret losing him as a back-up singer. What a fantastic job on the harmonies in these performances.

    So great for the guys to get to revist their roots a bit play their old stomping grounds. They all looked like they were having a blast. It’s wonderful to see how they all support each other personally and professionally, and a real blessing that Dave had friends like this he could bring along for the crazy ride that he has been on the past year. Hope they have many more together.

  12. I love the reaction to the out of control smoke machine in the video. I love David, but Andy deserves a great career too. He is very talented. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUbP_GFMT98

    “This is our way of letting Kyle go.” LOL You can’t even see him in the beginning. Did the smoke machine just go whack, or did somebody purposefully play with the settings? When I was younger I always wanted a smoke machine, and fill up my brother’s room with smoke, but I digress.

  13. Those twitpic of Dave – Yes!!
    and the banter about the smoke machine, hilarious. “We went back to 1987 and Kyle’s not born yet.”
    The rumor going around is that DC turned up the smoke machine,that rascal.

  14. This is pretty kick ass and very dude of them all. I love MWK.

    I think it’s funny that a bunch of MWK fans were pretty adamant that this show in Tulsa was only about MWK and Dave had nothing to do with it. Months of people saying that this was MWK’s chance to shine and get away from David. They didn’t even want him to show up because they thought he would steal the spotlight away from MWK. Whateves. That is such an American Idol mentality. No offense to AI fans. LOL It’s not a competition. This is about friendship, loyalty and people that just love playing music.

    And this doesn’t seem like a last minute thing. Dave must have been practicing with MWK this whole time. But he kept his name out of it. And is still keeping his name out of it. I just think that is so cool.

    Andy is an amazing front man and Neal is a great songwriter. And they have a kick ass band.

  15. Garnetstar – you & I are on the same wavelength completely! Can I say once more time, I LOVE these guys.

  16. My Favorites so far are Vera, Anodyne, and Circles Anthem. :)

    David and the MWK rocked the house!

  17. I have so much love for the three guys right up front. They continue to make a liar out of Simon when he told David that friends never want the best for you. Clearly, Neal and Andy want that for David and David want the same thing in return for them. I love that despite the crazy ass mentality of some fans, it doesn’t matter to them whether or not David could overshadow MWK or if going back to back up is not good for David. For them it’s about the friendship and the music. Good for them… and good for me because I now finally have live versions and tubey vids of my favorites from MWK. Off to watch A Scarlet Letters yet again.

    P.S. Anyone know if they’ll continue to sell physical cds of Luna Despierta? I would love to get my hands on one but I’m not in the US :(

  18. I love David, but Andy deserves a great career too. He is very talented

    Umm…Andy has a career…currently in DC’s band. Prior to joining David, Andy was a solo artist with his To Have Heroes project. I would think that if Andy wanted to be a solo artist again David would wholeheartedly support Andy as David has obviously always supported his friends and fellow musicians.

    Hopefully with David showing such support for MWK and letting Andy have the spotlight, the MWK/Skib fangirls can allow David to have the spotlight in his own concerts without yelling at David to “let Andy sing”. I know that only a small minority of peeps did this but I still found it a bit offensive considering the love and respect these guys have for each other.

    Etd: Supposedly the Flytrap has a GA capacity of 1400 and only 600 tickets were sold…..So, maybe not the time for anyone to cut ties with David’s golden goose just yet, LOL.

  19. These guys are such great friends. We could all learn a lot from them.

    It’s terrific to see more videos popping up from last night. Nag’s channel is good, too. I see it’s been posted above.

  20. Hopefully with David showing such support for MWK and letting Andy have the spotlight, the MWK/Skib fangirls can allow David to have the spotlight in his own concerts without yelling at David to “let Andy sing”. I know that only a small minority of peeps did this but I still found it a bit offensive considering the love and respect these guys have for each other.

    I totally agree. It also goes for the same the other way around. In one of the videos (Until Dawn maybe?) it was a quiet part and I heard some lady yelling very loudly “I love David Cook” a couple times. It annoyed me because it is an MWK concert. Yet I’m fine with people yelling “I love Neal” or “I love Andy” at Cook’s concerts. Maybe I have a double standard. IDK

    The video gods have smiled on us.

  21. I heard some lady yelling very loudly ” I love David Cook” a couple times. It annoyed me because it is an MWK concert . Yet I’m fine with people yelling “I love Neal” or “I love Andy” at Cook’s concerts. Maybe I have a double standard.

    Umm, yeah. That would be the definition of a double standard, lol . Offensive is offensive, not a lot of gray area for me

  22. Sounds like an epic night ! I just LLLLLLLLLLLove Stuck Under Wheels; so glad they played it. Andy and Dave’s voices blend so beautifully; I hope we get some of that on the DCTR2.
    Hopefully, this will help subside some of the fanwar when people see that they really do all support each other and aren’t trying to ” hold the others back from their careers. ” Geesh !
    P.S.- Cookie does look good….

  23. Ugghh I hate BSC fans. They ruin it for everyone. Just freakin listen to the music and enjoy it. Whoever is singing. Geeze. What’s so hard about that. This petty stuff is so annoying.

  24. Oh, and if I were going to be shallow, I would say one distinct advantage of Cook singing backup now and then is that it gives him more opportunities to pound the guitar. I like the guitar-beating.

    Haha, me too! How can you not be a *little* shallow when the man is looking like that? I’m looking forward to Race for Hope for many reasons but seeing Cookie doesn’t hurt ;) . Hee!

    I love these guys. I love their friendship, I love how they just love to make music. And I LOVE that now I have videos of many of my very favorite MWK songs with my very favorite Cookie singing very beautiful harmony (man, he does that well). Yay!

    I want a “Luna Despierta” hard copy, please. I have the EP, and I LOVE it, but I want a hard copy. I have lots of MWK on my iPod, if you lump that and To Have Heroes into Cookie-related I don’t want to admit how much of my iPod is… Cookie-related. But I had to buy “Judging a Bullet” to get ‘Til I’m Blue (and love many songs on there), and I had to get “Incoherent With Desire to Move On” because if nothing else *Cookie* is on there (and I like a bunch of songs on that one, too), and “Luna Despierta” is just flat out awesome. And I’ve loved Andy for a long time ever since I hit him up on MySpace to tell him how much I loved his To Have Heroes EP and he actually wrote me back. That’s when I was managing my brother and he got a “See? THAT is how you treat your fans!” scolding. Hee! Now granted Andy’s much more well-known now and probably doesn’t have time to write back but he was really sweet and that definitely cemented my fondness for him (plus my mother loves him, she calls him “that cute brown-haired boy.”) Then, oddly, I started finding Neal adorable… Ah, hell. I would have LOVED to be at that show. Those boys rock.

  25. I just LLLLLLLLLLLove Stuck Under Wheels; so glad they played it.

    Me, too – listening to it again now. So happy with these videos – thanks for pulling a bunch together, MJ!

  26. Did I mention I *LOVE* “‘Til I’m Blue”? That’s the song that made me almost-squee-flail at the Charlottesville show, lol. Love it when Andy sings it, love it when David sings it, love it when they both sing it even more…

  27. Yes, to everything y’all have said about love and friendship and music. And, yeah, anything or anybody that lets Dave harmonize with anything at any time is all right by me.

    They kept this secret so well, it’s just unbelievable. But then, he and his group have been Fort Knox ever since Idol, and probably before. I love that about them, that they can keep a secret and their secrets are hot as hell. And then, when the secret is revealed, it all comes off so smoothly.

  28. P.S. Anyone know if they’ll continue to sell physical cds of Luna Despierta? I would love to get my hands on one but I’m not in the US

    Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Luna Despierta is only available as digital release, is it not? I got all my MWK stuff from CDbaby, and it doesn’t seem to have problem selling CDs to those outside of US, unlike Amazon.

    http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/mwk4

  29. Hazehel — Last night at the Flytrap, they sold hard copies of Luna Despierta. This is the first time they did that. I don’t think it’s available at CDBaby (yet). Don’t know if people picked up extras, but if you want one (I kinda do even though I already have it downloaded), you could try going on DCO and seeing if anyone picked up extras and is willing to sell you one. I think it was only $5.

  30. More videos! *grabby hands* Thx MJ!

    Okay, so far my absolute favorite is Circles Anthem (sigh, the harmonies) but the Lost geek in me still gets a kick out of the smoke monster making a cameo during Killing More Than Time. Quick, somebody make an ash circle around Kyle’s drumkit…

    I like the guitar-beating.

    Ah yes, that naughty, naughty lefty guitar must be punished. A lot. The instrumental sadist in me quite agrees.

    That is such an American Idol mentality. No offense to AI fans. LOL It’s not a competition. This is about friendship, loyalty and people that just love playing music.

    No kidding. People will have preferences and state them, that’s natural, but really what’s the point in getting your panties all in a bunch over it, especially when you see how much fun those boys are having. I am perfectly content to enjoy the musical chemistry these guys share in whatever permutation occurs and let them work out the semantics of it all.

  31. Ugh, I can’t decide which videos to put on my iPod! Definitely Killing More than Time and Call To Arms, but I can’t decide which other videos to use. Gosh, I’ve got it so rough don’t I? I have to decide which of these awesome videos to put on my iPod, and I’m complaining.

  32. Damn these guys are great. So cool to see them back in their old stomping grounds doing live music, rocking out, for the joy of it. And man, looking at the crazy and often angry world of fandom and fame and celebrity, I can’t say how blown away I am by the grace with which all of them support each other. You couldn’t put a million billion dollar price tag on that.

  33. Sounds like an epic night ! I just LLLLLLLLLLLove Stuck Under Wheels; so glad they played it. Andy and Dave’s voices blend so beautifully; I hope we get some of that on the DCTR2.
    Hopefully, this will help subside some of the fanwar when people see that they really do all support each other and aren’t trying to ” hold the others back from their careers. ” Geesh !
    P.S.- Cookie does look good….

    I wasnt trying to start a fanwar. I love Cookie. I think, given the opportunity for a lead or solo, Andy would go for it. and its apparent that Cookie would be one of his biggest supporters. I think both are great leads. I would like to hear both on the radio. As I love both on my Ipod.

  34. Hazehel — Last night at the Flytrap, they sold hard copies of Luna Despierta. This is the first time they did that. I don’t think it’s available at CDBaby (yet). Don’t know if people picked up extras, but if you want one (I kinda do even though I already have it downloaded), you could try going on DCO and seeing if anyone picked up extras and is willing to sell you one. I think it was only $5.

    Ah, thanks. Missed your earlier post. It’ll probably turn up some time later at CDBaby. Not difficult to make your own hardcopy from digital downloads if you are desperate for it though (done it before, including CD covers and labels).

  35. The history of these MWK releases has an interesting relation to Idol history. To me, when I listen to their discs, MWK are a poignant and excellent indie band. And I hear excellence, craft and insight and an outstanding voice and performance in Analog Heart, Cook’s solo release from the same era.

    But they couldn’t break through, either Cook solo, Cook’s original band Axium, or MWK in their various configurations.

    At the time Luna came out, it seems like these guys were against a wall. They only had enough money to release the EP digitally, not physically. Tiemann signed on to tour with the band Burn Halo. Skib moved to LA and did a solo EP. The original MWK drummer moved to Austin. Cook was on the verge of having to give up music and pursue an office job.

    For all its faults, Idol as a stage not only presented a huge opportunity to the egggggsellent talent that is David Cook, but allowed him to create a knock on beneficial circle. He benefits from living a life and having a career supported by amazing musical talents who are friends, they benefit from his leadership and the breakthrough he made happen. S’all good!

  36. Well I don’t know if this will help put to rest the fanwars or fuel them. The hardcore MWK/Skib fans did finally get to experience MWK live. Will this just fuel their desire or quench it (for now)? David and the guys are about the go into the studio and begin the immersion process for round two of David Cook and the Anthemic, at what I believe will be on a much larger scale, hopefully expanding into international waters. Unless there are substantial changes, that means David is the main attraction, up front and center all or most of the time. Personally, thats what gets me most musically excited, even while I respect Andy’s skills. If and when Andy decides that he wants to either give MWK or a solo gig another shot as a career, then I’m sure David will give him his blessing. Until that time, he’s a member of the Anthemic, doing side projects as time and desire permits, clearly with Davids blessings.

  37. Maturin – listening to their music I have often thought about what you wrote. How David’s good fortune with Idol has benefitted his friends. because he chose to share. because of their talent and their willingness to go along. Simon’s comments about friends to Cookie at his audition are oh so ironic now.

  38. And, on a disgustingly shallow note :lol – love the hair and results of recent training programs!

    Hee. Word. He looks goooood.

    Yep. If one bean is in the middle then the band is the Anthemic, and if that same bean is on the left side then the band is MWK. I miss Joey. Don’t get me wrong Monty is fine.

    Hee. Word again. I like Monty, and I’m not that invested in Joey at all, so I don’t actually care about the switch, but I gotta admit, part of me wishes Joey had stayed in the Anthemic for the sole reason that the whole same members, 2 bands thing is hilarious and 8 kinds of awesome-cakes. It’s a bit WTF in the best way possible.

    It’s fun for me to wonder how long the guys have had this planned. Didn’t DC start playing MWK songs since the beginning of the tour? It was like he was paving the way for DC fans who wanted to check out MWK to get familiar to some of their songs. Nicely done, boys. And it’s not the first time DC’s done something like that. I mean, it always seemed to me that DC could’ve potentially had a plan to get Neal and Andy in his touring band all the way back when he was doing well enough on AI that he knew he would likely get signed. I mean, Neal was announced as being part of the album process at the beginning of the summer pretty soon after DC won. These boys not only have each others’ backs, they’ve been ridiculously smart about this.

    if Dave wasn’t so good as a lead singer I’d almost have to regret losing him as a back-up singer. What a fantastic job on the harmonies in these performances.

    I really love the harmonies on Circles Anthem. I’m conflicted. I love DC and Andy’s voices together, but I also love DC’s voice on harmony so much that I love hearing him harmonizing with himself on the record. Haha, I guess at least whichever option we end up with, I’ll probably enjoy it.

  39. I wanted to come by and thank everyone for enjoying my videos from last night. I was so honored to have them all posted here on a place I respect so much. The show was everything you saw and much more. There is such a love fest with these guys it is heartwarming and we get the benefit of their talent every time they play together. Before the show they were watching the other bands together from up in the balcony which was reserved for them to gather with their hometown friends. For awhile they were watching from what looked like a projection room, a dark narrow opening. They were all lined up in a row, all you could see were their faces….it made me happy that they care about each other & music to be there supporting each other and loving their craft. And on a non mushy note, the fog machine debacle was my favorite part. Andy was hilarious, I can’t get enough of that first few minutes of “Killing More Than Time”. I’ll be at Morongo next week so maybe you will take a look at the videos I bring back from there as well. Thanks again!

  40. It’s fun for me to wonder how long the guys have had this planned. Didn’t DC start playing MWK songs since the beginning of the tour? It was like he was paving the way for DC fans who wanted to check out MWK to get familiar to some of their songs.

    I remember all the posts when David started singing MWK’s songs on tour. Quite a few weren’t very supportive. But when you put it like you did, everybody should see, that it was really a great thing for MWK.
    Some of their songs are really good. I wouldn’t mind if a few new songs written by the band would make it on the new record.

  41. I mean, it always seemed to me that DC could’ve potentially had a plan to get Neal and Andy in his touring band all the way back when he was doing well enough on AI that he knew he would likely get signed.

    I have thought about this too,smallie. I remember back during AI7
    when videos of the audios ( that sounds wierd ) of Axium and AH
    songs started showing up on YouTube. I was reading the comments under one of them, mostly good, then one which was very negative; you know, the ” no self respecting rock musician would lower themselves to AI ” type. Then there was a post from someone who either was a former band member, friend, family, or at least knew David somewhat. He/she commented that he was a serious musician and you don’t know how much he agonized over whether or not to go to Hollywood once he got the ticket ( of course, that could have also been because of that job offer he had. )
    Long story short- I know, too late for that ! – but I often thought he had visions of exposure from AI as opposed to visions of winning.
    for the exact reason you stated.

  42. O.K. – only the first sentence of that post was supposed to be quoted, but edit wouldn’t let me edit my own post !

  43. The quote thing always goes a bit funny when I post as well. Something for MJ to look into. Luckily I can nearly always edit them.

    It’s probably a bit traitor-ish to say this, but I do prefer MWK (also To Have Heroes) songs than David Cook pre-Idol stuff. I I should also add that while I find Andy Skib voice interesting, I also found it rather annoying to listen to if I listen to more than a few of his songs at a time – there’s a bit of an affectation in his voice that only sounds good in small doses.

  44. It’s probably a bit traitor-ish to say this, but I do prefer MWK (also To Have Heroes) songs than David Cook pre-Idol stuff

    Why is that traitor-ish ? We like what we like; how boring would this world be if we all listened to Ke$ha!

  45. I’m a huge Analog Heart fan, I love every word and every note of that cd. MWK songs, not as much. Though I love the guys and that they are doing their thing. Andy and Neal are really cool (Kyle too). But David Cook is the main attraction for me. I would have loved to go to Tulsa though! My friend and I almost went but the winter weather put a damper on things too. That’s before we knew that David would be there.

    I adore Monty and never warmed to Joey. I’m glad it worked out this way.

  46. I’m not even going to try the blockquote again, but I agree with
    Oceana; I adore Monty !

  47. I love Andy and Neal and Kyle but I have a problem listening to Andy’s voice too long also, it just doesn’t have the depth DC has. DC can sing harmony with anyone. Love that they support each other, true friends. I never warmed up to Joey either, he seemed to try to outshine DC.I also love David’s pre-idol music and can’t wait for DCTR2 and the touring.

  48. My first concert was at the DE State Fair where Monty made his first appearance. Interestingly enough, I did notice Monty was new but failed to notice that Joey was even on stage. I was just mezmerized by David and could not take my eyes off him (plus I did not have the best seats)! lol

    I do like quite a few MWK songs (love Anodyne & ‘Til I’m Blue!) but I definitely prefer David’s voice. However, it didn’t bother me when he let Andy sing lead sometimes. I just love the love & respect they clearly have for each other and how they all support each other!

    Once they tour for DCTR2, I would be surprised if they play any MWK songs at all since they will have two full records of material to play plus AH and DC songs that didn’t make the albums. I’m really, really excited for the new record!

  49. Aw, I love Andy’s voice. But it is very different, so I can see how it would have people both loving it and hating it.

    Also, how much do I love the way they sing Call To Arms live?
    “It’s Not.That.Easy.When you’re guilty! But you have to beee” LOVE.
    Neal’s an awesome songwriter. That’s why I want at least one Dave/Neal cowrite on the album. I think they bring out the best in each other.

  50. Wow, I feel like I won the lottery discovering this this morning!

    Quick question before I have to run off, these “fan wars” between MWK and Cook fans, are they MWK fans from BEFORE David appeared on Idol, or late-to-the-party fans who have conjured up some ridiculous competition between this amazing ‘band of brothers’?

    Because I just don’t get it.

    I love, love, LOVE David, but I also love Andy and a lot of MWK music. Loving one doesn’t preclude loving the others, and while I may prefer David or Andy singing lead on any given song, it’s jut not that big a deal, is it? They’re grown men and they can make their own decisions.

    Plus I’m a harmony girl. I always sang harmony myself, and I flove hearing David sing harmony. Frankly, I’d be fine if he and the Anthemic went all CSN&Y, and alternated who sang lead. As far as I’m concerned, it’s whatever works the best sonically and artistically. That’s the most important thing as far as I’m concerned.

  51. Also, how much do I love the way they sing Call To Arms live?
    “It’s Not.That.Easy.When you’re guilty! But you have to beee” LOVE.

    Yessssss. Word. So much better than the recorded version.

  52. Quick question before I have to run off, these “fan wars” between MWK and Cook fans, are they MWK fans from BEFORE David appeared on Idol, or late-to-the-party fans who have conjured up some ridiculous competition between this amazing ‘band of brothers’?

    The latter. It’s the boy-band syndrome. Fans scramble to latch-on to JC Chasez or Lance Bass because it gives them notoriety in the fandom. I mean everybody luvvvs Justin Timberlake, so he’s much less accessible and his fans are a dime a dozen. But if you are the uber Chris Kirkpatrick (or Andy Skib or Joey Clement) fangirl, then you get to feel a little more special.

    I think it’s also bleed-over from the Idol-driven perception that the fans can make or break an unknown artist’s career. Idol fans love that sense that they (and their text votes) control someone’s destiny. David Cook has already made it, and the actions of a few fans have little bearing on his career trajectory at this point. But MWK (or Ryan Star or GRO)? Those guys can still benefit from street-teaming and traveling to shows and voting in polls and twitspamming. So fans get to feel like they are really making a difference. And they start to divide up behind imaginary lines that have been drawn.

  53. Quick question before I have to run off, these “fan wars” between MWK and Cook fans, are they MWK fans from BEFORE David appeared on Idol, or late-to-the-party fans who have conjured up some ridiculous competition between this amazing ‘band of brothers’?

    Definitely the latter – and I think ladymadonna’s post is dead on in explaining it :) I am grateful to David for bringing me so much new music that I like, I’m not going to go have a fanwar over it. I’m perfectly happy for Andy to sing lead on a few songs, as long as I get lots and lots of David Cook if I’m going to a David Cook show. If I went to a MWK show I’d expect Andy to sing lead for most of the show. But WOW do some people get worked up. I remember it chasing me off DCO more than once, people posting with the “how dare David Cook sing that ANDY song!” stuff. I’m sure the other side (how dare ANDY sing lead!) happened too, but I just couldn’t deal with that kind of crap, lol.

    I love this thread. I love these videos. I love having new live versions of some songs I really love, with bonus Cookie harmonies. I think his voice and Andy’s work really well together.

    (R/e Joey and Monty – I actually found Joey distracting and like Monty’s steady presence better. Plus Monty has such a cute smile – I think he’s adorable, heh.)

  54. I love, love, LOVE David, but I also love Andy and a lot of MWK music. Loving one doesn’t preclude loving the others, and while I may prefer David or Andy singing lead on any given song, it’s jut not that big a deal, is it? They’re grown men and they can make their own decisions.

    I completely agree with this. I hate the backlash I get from fans when I say I love it when Andy sings at Cook’s concerts. For me, it’s not just a Cook concert, but a Cook & Anthemic concert. I appreciate all the members. Yes I’m there for Cook, but those boys are not just there for decoration, but are very talented as well. I know not all fans agree with this, and that’s fine. This is how it is for me. I just wish I wasn’t considered a traitor for liking each member.

  55. I hate the backlash I get from fans when I say I love it when Andy sings at Cook’s concerts.

    Traitor! Turn in your fan card!

    :)

    (I love it, too, BTW)

  56. There really is a lot of nasty stuff out there and tbh sometimes some of the David fans who are also MWK fans make me cringe (see some of the comments at the WNH leading up to the show and the shit being said about the possibility of David going to the show). Then my friend that went the other night ended up chatting with a fan as they were waiting to get in and the subject of Neal’s amazing guitar skills was brought up (this fan was a HUGE Neal nut). Said fan proceeded to start going on about how Neal is doing David a favor by sticking around because David needs him, that Neal is so so ubertalented he can ditch David right now and join any already established rock band. My friend said she had to refrain from getting visibly pissed so she said she simply told her to remember when Neal proudly posted his MySpace status saying he was part of a platinum album and walked away losing her spot on line because she didnt want to be near this girl. But yeah mmm too much drama. I dont like Andy’s voice at all but I like him and I totally appreciate how much they all obviously support each other.

  57. Said fan proceeded to start going on about how Neal is doing David a favor by sticking around because David needs him, that Neal is so so ubertalented he can ditch David right now and join any already established rock band.

    Dang. Some fans need to just step back and examine themselves. That always reminds me of David’s one word to describe Neal “loyal”. I highly doubt Neal even wants to join a different more established band.

    I dont like Andy’s voice at all but I like him and I totally appreciate how much they all obviously support each other.

    I like Andys voice, but as some said earlier it’s too much for long periods of time. It’s weird, but I can’t listen to Andy, Green Day, or Carrie Underwood for more then 15 minutes. Andy’s voice is soo unique it’s just too much I guess.

  58. Yeah, I find Andy’s voice grating on most songs where hes singing lead, and at best is pleasant enough. So I can’t get with the idea that these guys voices are easily swappable. Dave’s voice just sends me into another dimension. I get so much warmth, passion, power and beauty from him that leaves me wanting more. That’s personally what I go to a David Cook concert for. I love Neal’s sick guitar skills and would love for him to collaborate on more songs with Dave, and appreciate everything Andy, Kyle and Monty bring to the group. But the big draw for me is Dave’s voice and presence. I don’t think of it as choosing sides so much as acknowledging what I feel from the music.

  59. Man, I really never realized that people were so particular about tone in rock before I started reading these forums. (I’m a phrasing person all. the. way, with an occasional projection focus if the songs really need it.)

    But I like Skib’s tone just fine, and I honestly think it serves some of the MWK songs in a way Cook’s wouldn’t (although Cook’s TIB is a very good thing).

    And I highly doubt that another round of touring will prevent even the rarest of one-offs for MWK. Studio time will be busy, and promotional time will be busy. But I expect a more concentrated, orchestrated tour, with more gaps between legs. And even touring abroad would probably be with a big name act, again, leading to some gaps, so MWK could probably book a show or seven on off-days in Europe (plenty of indie bands do). It won’t be the focus, but in the world of Jack White, M. Ward, Dave Grohl, and everyone else, being a working musician with multiple projects is not as complex as some make it out to be.

  60. It won’t be the focus, but in the world of Jack White, M. Ward, Dave Grohl, and everyone else, being a working musician with multiple projects is not as complex as some make it out to be.

    Ha, very true. They’re obviously good friends. They’re talented. They like to write and play music together. David has other friends he likes to write with, too. Most of the music is pretty awesome. It’s not THAT complicated. People tend to slap labels on things and project their own whatever on to the boys, I think. There are def some peeps who need to back that shit up. Enough said.

    In any case, I am so enjoying these vids.

  61. It’s the boy-band syndrome. Fans scramble to latch-on to JC Chasez or Lance Bass because it gives them notoriety in the fandom. I mean everybody luvvvs Justin Timberlake, so he’s much less accessible and his fans are a dime a dozen. But if you are the uber Chris Kirkpatrick (or Andy Skib or Joey Clement) fangirl, then you get to feel a little more special.

    LMAO, a little harsh! But soo true. I’m pretty shocked that some some of these omgz-only-Andy/Joey/Neal-4lyfe girls, who discovered these guys due to David are so mean about David that it’s almost like they hate him. It’s bizarre. Random aside: I love Kyle, he’s the sweetest thing– why aren’t there as many crazy Kyle-only fangirls? Not complaining, just curious. Kyle sings too, and he’s awesome, why isn’t he considered in competition with David like the others? Hmmm.

  62. I’m having blockquote issues today, so I won’t try it again, but I just wanted to chime in regarding Trina’s post which Seriously was
    able to re-quote. This is the exact reason I didn’t dare speak a word to anyone around me about anyone in the band ( including David ) at the two shows of DCTA I was fortunate enough to attend.
    I heard much of this fanwaring going on while we were standing in line to be let into the showroom, and I’ll tell you folks, it was not pretty ! Some of it was exactly what Trina explained. I felt as if I had wandered into AI top 10 concert.

  63. Perhaps there aren’t as many crazy Kyle fangirls because he’s the married one. Course Andy’s in a committed relationship & that doesn’t stop BSC people from going fangirl for him. Anyway, since the guys seem to be mature enough to not get into this competitive sh*t and just ignore, I think I shall ignore it too. I will continue to be a happy David Cook AND the Anthemic fan as long as they continue to gift us with their fine rockin music.

  64. OK, I’m really ” edit challenged ” today for some reason!
    I just wanted to perhaps answer smallies’s question. Maybe it’s because Kyle is married !

  65. Word to Ladymadonna, that about sums up the silly MWK fanwars for me.

    I love Kyle, he’s the sweetest thing-why aren’t there as many crazy kyle-only fangirls.

    Kyle is adorable. Kyle doesn’t tweet or even update his Myspace often. He seems to prefer having a quiet life with his wife and son. Not much for a stalk…..err….potential uber-fangirl to latch onto.

  66. Maybe it’s because Kyle is married !

    I was going to say maybe for some folks because he’s so young but… isn’t Andy only like 23? They’re all too young for me ;)

  67. Offside…I’m not sure if you know that you have to click the b-quote tab twice, ie, click b quote, past whatever you want to quote, and then hit b-quote again to close the quote so that everything you type doesn’t end up block quoted. Observe (she said in her best magiciany voice)….

    BootStar:
    02/20/2010 at 11:50 am
    this amazing ‘band of brothers’?

    “We few, we happy few, we band of brothers….” Somebody famous said that once. ;)

    Ta daaa! (I hit b-quote twice, once before I pasted Bootstar’s comment, and once right after I pasted her comment, before I added one of my own. Voila! Hope that helps!)

  68. It is actually pretty simple…Kyle doesn’t songwrite, sing lead and was not in original MWK. There is no threat there, nothing to push. Most David Cook fans really enjoy Kyle and there is no drama there.

    There are some hard core fans of MWK and its members but a few fans are not the root of the inevitable dust ups that happen, the issues have to touch on a lot more people. There is a larger pull going on. Those that think prominence of the band, and its roots and side projects, make Cook a more legitimate rock musician and front man. The other side of the coin are the people who think Cook is the star and he earned his position as front man and any suggestions that he “needs” anyone take away from his legitimacy as a front man. I am not saying either perspective is right or wrong, I just see this is the underlying issue within David Cook fandom at large when you boil down all the arguments.

  69. Not a fan of either/or logic so it comes as no surprise that I don’t see one here either. There’s really no question that David Cook is the star and he’s certainly earned his position as front man. Of course, no front man is any good without a killer band to accompany him. He had that on AI and now he has that with the Anthemic. I see no tension there at all. Once the Anthemic become more involved with the creation of the next album, I’m sure the band identity will be even more solidified. But if the complaining is really more about wanting to see Andy in a more prominent lead role (which I suspect is really the case), then I think those folks will just have to wait and get their cues from Andy on what he wants and not project that on him.

  70. Andy’s really cute, he’s a doll. I love his tweets, his videos and pictures. He and his girlfriend are cute teasing each other on twitter. I love that the whole band is so devoted to music and so good at what they do.

    Most of us started following David Cook through Idol and came to like the band through him. For most fans, he’s the draw, though we like or love the other guys too. For me, Andy’s voice is a bit harsh, but David has one of the most incredible voices I’ve ever heard, and I like his songwriting too. I look forward to many years of listening to his voice and his new songs.

    The guys are very close to each other and it’s a beautiful thing. I get a tad annoyed when a few fans make it an issue and scream for Andy to sing, but I think it’s a small minority. For myself I wouldn’t mind Andy singing lead on one song per show, but more than that might bother me, as I simply want to hear David’s voice.

    I was surprised that the show in Tulsa didn’t sell out, not even close, but it is winter too and a hard winter for many of us. I think that was a big factor.

  71. Something’s missing from this discussion. What could it be? Perhaps THIS? Must. resist. urge. to. caption….

  72. Something’s missing from this discussion. What could it be? Perhaps THIS? Must. resist. urge. to. caption….

    Um, hel-LO David Cook!

  73. I love Kyle, he’s the sweetest thing– why aren’t there as many crazy Kyle-only fangirls? Not complaining, just curious. Kyle sings too, and he’s awesome, why isn’t he considered in competition with David like the others? Hmmm.

    I could become a Kyle stan if I knew more about him. LOL I know nothing.

  74. Oceana, I haven’t actually seen any figures from the venue for total tickets sold, anywhere. Other than the recaps, where people mention that the place was crowded, the only number I have seen was in the middle of a twitter conversation several days before, about how every time The Flytrap posted about the show on Facebook, people were buying tickets, and that 600 were sold in one day. Maybe that’s where that 600 number came from? IDK – but I do know people who were there – the Venue holds around 1400; I think they may have noticed if it were less than half full.

    >>FlytrapTulsa:Special Thanks to all the Real Fan’s of MWK’s – We are having record sales because of your promotion efforts. Support local talent…
    1:39 PM Jan 22nd from web

    >>FlytrapTulsa:When I say something about MIDWEST KINGS (MWK), Tickets sales, twitter and Facebook Light Up… Thanks MWK Fans for all your support.
    4:04 PM Jan 31st from Facebook

    Seems as if the Venue was pleased at the sales….Because I’m curious, I’ll keep an eye out for real numbers, or a link to them, at least – but going by the videos and recaps, it was an awesome show!

  75. Great pic, sunchick! Wasn’t that from ‘Til I’m Blue ?
    By the way, Thanks for your suggestion. When I realized I didn’t hit the blockquote again, I tried to go back and correct it, but it wouldn’t let me edit. I tried to drag the bar down the post and it would keep scrolling to the top like a continuous loop. I need to
    proofread before I save ! I’ve got a happy trigger finger……

  76. I’ve got a happy trigger finger……

    BOO! Horribile pun! You can also b-quote by pasting what you want, highlight it and press the b-quote button. That way you only have to press it once.

  77. Those that think prominence of the band, and its roots and side projects, make Cook a more legitimate rock musician and front man. The other side of the coin are the people who think Cook is the star and he earned his position as front man and any suggestions that he “needs” anyone take away from his legitimacy as a front man.

    For what it’s worth, tigervixxxen, I agree with you that this is at the root of the fanwarring at the start, but I really do believe that the usual AI craziness and the boyband mentality that ladymadonna talked about is what has taken over. I am a HUGE MWK fan (having discovered them through David) but have to admit that I grab the popcorn when I read the Not!Dave fangirls posts because I love psychoanalyzing that shit. The Only!Dave peeps who get easily offended (and I do mean waaaay defensive) on Dave’s behalf are a laugh and a half too, but not as interesting to psychoanalyze. Heh.

  78. you know what’s hilarious about that very rude girl talking about how Neal doesn’t need David…is how Neal would shut her down in a heartbeat. The first time I met Neal was at the David Wright benefit. He told us that the reason David came to Tulsa to play with MWK was because he got him to come. His loyalty is to David first and foremost..not to silly confused women following him around. This is such a very small group of people who have this weird competition thing in their heads. (I say in their heads because it does not exist for the guys). Look at David’s following just on twitter, and look at Neal and Andy’s. Consider the sales David has generate with his singles, album, and concerts. Most of the public who buy DC’s music or go to shows have no real idea who Andy and Neal are..or anything about MWK. It’s only the hardcore fans who know, and/or follow. They need to read this article: http://www.urbantulsa.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=29260 and realize that the journey these guys are on, is not about the fans. It’s about them, and the friendship, love of music, and respect, that they share and always will.
    (eta: i had the wrong link, corrected now).

  79. Let me also throw out there that I think that the Band Firsters (so to speak) shoot themselves in the foot with some of the things that they say and do. It is quite apparent that RCA and 19 view DC as their primary focus, so to speak, but also that DC is up for doing what he can to support his friends and give them opportunities to shine. This concert is just the latest example of that. But when Band Firsters do stuff like, say, have fits on DCO and twitter about DC singing lead on MWK songs, or screaming for Andy to sing lead, or go on DCO and proclaim how much they prefer Andy’s voice to DC’s, here’s the query: does that help the band members, or hurt them? Does it advance their cause, or weaken it? I quite firmly believe that, if RCA and/or 19 thinks that band focus hurts their primary focus (DC), they’ll put the kibosh on band focus. It also leads to a number of people countering the “OMG, Andy’s voice is so wonderful, I want him to sing lead at DCATA concerts!” with their own negative views on Andy’s voice. How does that help Andy?

    DC has proven himself to be pretty smart at playing this game, having now managed to get three of his buddies into his band, etc. Maybe, just maybe, if folks give DC and the guys room to maneuver, Andy fans will one day find themselves with a wide choice of concerts from an Andy Skib who is on his own tour, having won himself (as a solo artist or front man) a recording contract and label backing.

  80. exactly my thoughts FF. And I would also venture to guess that these same people who are involved in those actions you spoke of would be the first to LOSE it if David sang lead at an MWK concert. So why should anyone else be singing lead for the band that he fronts? It’s great that the boys have it all worked out, maybe someday the fans will figure it out too.

  81. All the above stated reasons are probably why they stopped playing Anodyne at DCTA shows. Folks were even fretting over who was the primary writer of it !

  82. I don’t get all the angst personally.

    If people prefer Andy’s singing and Neal’s songwriting, great – they can buy the MWK/THH/Burn Halo stuff and attend their concerts.

    It’s not as though anyone’s stopping anyone.

    And it’s not as though anyone’s forcing them to go to DCTA concerts or buy Cook’s music: and, TBH, I find it a bit odd that people would attend x number of concerts for some one whose music they didn’t really like that much and whom, at times, they even sound like they resent, just to watch the lead guitar player or the man who does back up vocals. I mean, I know fans develop likings for band members in other groups, but surely because they actually like what’s being played.

    Anyhow, I don’t see why anyone shouldn’t expect DC to be front and centre in DC&TA or demand that he should share the central spotlight with someone else. And that’s even though I suspect that Cook would be quite happy to do so and that Andy wouldn’t expect it in the least.

    Me – I love Anodyne and KOTN, so Cook and Teiman together make a really good combination to me. But I haven’t been taken with Til I’m Blue or the other MWK stuff. It may be that given a few listens it would grow on me as with Axium, but I’m not that invested.

    Bottom line, Neil is a great musician from what I can see and Andy is a talented singer. And it’s great to see the three of them playing together in any configuration and enjoying the success that followed DC’s AI exposure. But I like Cook’s music and, though I would love to see DC&TA develop into a strong songwriting real band unit, that is where my interest lies.

  83. And I would also venture to guess that these same people who are involved in those actions you spoke of would be the first to LOSE it if David sang lead at an MWK concert.

    YUP. See what I mentioned about the WNH yesterday. I was reading the MWK thread there the morning of the show and saw lovely comments such as “if David is up on that stage I’ll be furious” and “if David sings Till I’m Blue I’m throwing rocks at the stage”. Um ok how classy.

    Another funny thing I’ve been reading from the bandnuts is this belief that The Anthemic will be an integral part of DCTR2 right down to their name and a picture of the band being on the CD cover. Now I fully believe RCA will allow them to play on the record, but does anyone honestly believe 19 or RCA will ever view them as an actual band? I dont at ALL. I remember all the griping after Carrie’s special because the band got zero facetime, ditto for CBTM on AI, yet I wasnt the least bit shocked.

  84. Let’s face it MWK is/was more of a local/regional band & I doubt there were making a whole lot of money in their day. When David left MWK & went on his own, he still considered them his friends. I doubt very much that David left MWK because Andy was the lead singer. David wasn’t “hired” to be the lead singer with MWK. We know how happy he is playing his guitar & he can harmonize with the best of them. It takes more than one person to make a band successful & sometimes one person is better suited to sing a particular song. After I discovered David Cook via A.I., I checked out some of the stuff Andy did & MWK and he’s okay, but he doesn’t have the range & powerful voice that David does. Frankly, I preferred Axium music. Andy wouldn’t have held my interest for very long & frankly I doubt that Andy, if he was a contestant on A.I. would have won or even gotten very far. Though I can’t assume that I know David Cook, but I bet he is the kind of guy who is very loyal to his friends & he could have picked anyone to be in his band yet he chose to bring on his friends Andy & Neil. David Cook is the draw, he’s the star not Andy or Neil but together they all make a great team bringing their own special talents into the mix. If Andy or Neil decide to strike it on their own I am sure David would be happy for them & support them as I am sure they did when David left MWK but at this point in time, that would be a stupid move. If I went to a MWK concert & David was there, I would want to hear David sing MOST of the songs.

  85. I doubt very much that David left MWK because Andy was the lead singer.

    I think I read in an interview once where Andy Skib said that David probably left to make his own CD because he wanted to sing lead. Could be spoken in jest of course, but there’s likely an element of truth. I’m pretty sure Andy Skib wanted to sing lead as well when in David Cook’s band, he looks much happier when he is singing lead (he seemed a bit dour from the videos I’ve seen from the earlier days of David Cook’ tour, although he appeared to loosen up a bit later).

  86. Trina, I totally agree that there’s no way David’s band gets named and pictured on the next DCTR cover. (And if it does get named, um, someone please think of a better name?) Most of the million people who bought the first DCTR have no idea that David has a “band” and couldn’t name any of the guys on stage with him. RCA is probably fine with that.

    On the next record, I’m not expecting to see more than two or three David/Neal co-writes, and maybe zero to one co-writes that include other band members. I wouldn’t be surprised if some role was played by studio musicians in the recording. I think it’s great that David and his good friends get to work together and David is fortunate that his friends are talented enough to form his touring band. However, I agree that RCA does not view them as a band. (Hell, they probably barely view Daughtry as a band – doesn’t Chris still do his co-writes on his own with some of the same writers David works with?)

  87. Cook was recording solo albums, with Neil and Andy’s help, during the time he was in MWK, if I’ve got the timeline right?

    Just like Andy’s continuing with THH and he and Neil with MWK. Is Neil continuing with Burn Halo?

    It seems to me that they’re all invested in making music and supporting each other and that if one or more get their big break then the others will be right there with them, cheering them on and helping them out. That goes with Cook around the MWK time and I’m sure it would go for Neil and Andy too if it happened with them in some form now.

    I always got the impression that Cook joining MWK was a temporary thing, to continue making music and delay the need to get a proper job, whilst continuing to try and launch himself as a singer songwriter, within the Tulsa scene – I don’t get the impression reading back that he was dedicating himself to playing back up guitar and vocals for evermore. And I don’t get that impression with Andy either.

    Seems to me that all of them are prepared to go with the flow and whatever situation is likely to yield the biggest returns – financially and in terms of exposure – gets priority and the other things just continue along concurrently.

    Besides, I’m sure that Cook himself has made all sorts of compromises to pursue this particular avenue at this particular time and make it work as well as it can. They all have. Doesn’t mean that it’s set in stone or that things aren’t fluid.

    One good thing is that, with more financial security, the future should be able to support a musical career, with or without RCA. So, for that alone, never mind the established fanbase and exposure, AI has been worth it for all of them to some degree, but for DC most of all.

  88. Oceana, I haven’t actually seen any figures from the venue for total tickets sold, anywhere.

    Good, thanks for saying that. I read something here I think about the concert being less than half sold out, but it was probably mistaken, which I’m glad to hear.

  89. I read this in a girl’s recap who stood in line the day before the concert (??) so take it for what it’s worth. The owner told her that they had sold 600 tickets. I don’t know how many they sold the day of the concert itself.

    I will agree that the band (Andy, Neal) girls are small in numbers but they are very vocal. And quite vicious at times. LOL And that in turn causes DC only girls to loose their shit and turn vicious in response. But that is just my observation, I could be mistaken. It’s like which came first the chicken…

    I was happy about this concert and the way it was pulled off but some reviews that are coming in make me raise an eyebrow. Things like… “Finally Andy was able to sing the songs that God created for him to sing…”

    “…watched David to make sure he wasn’t trying to steal the spotlight…he held back and stayed in the background like Andy usually does..

    I am sorry but I watched the videos and Andy didn’t perform any differently than he did when he was with DC&TA except for the fact he was the lead singer and he did the banter in between songs. And Neal didn’t act any differently either. The way some people had said that Neal and Andy were holding back so as not to steal the spotlight from David I was expecting them to somehow perform differently. But they were the same as always; talented high energy kick ass musicians.

    ETA: fadetowhite…I agree DC fans say pretty nutty things also. Probably nuttier if I am being honest. HaHa!

  90. I watched David to make sure he wasn’t trying to steal the spotlight

    Yeah I read that one – it made me laugh out loud.

    And I’ll bet Neil didn’t know that he was on a par with God!

    To be fair, I do read equally nutty things about Cook from DC fans, but still…

  91. this is how a band is supposed to be with no one person standing out

    And what does that mean exactly? :lol

    Andy took lead vocals on all the songs and did the banter, right? So the main focus was, or should have been, on him, apart from when other band members had solos or did more of a duet on the vocals? Though I have to admit that I was listening to DC’s vocals on the videos I did watch (terrible of me I know and I’m sure I’m going to hell).

    I really don’t get how that differs from DC&TA or any other band out there. You expect the spotlight to mainly be on the lead singer: you expect them to stand out. They lead the performance. Pretty much every band I’ve ever seen has this. Plus, the lead guitarist stands out when they do a solo.

    Bizarre.

  92. Posting the pro/anti Cook or Andy opinions on DCO or WNH is one thing but it pisses me off when people have to twitter that shit directly to David or Andy. Must have gotten a little crazy a while back for David to twitter this:

    “I love @andyskib’s voice, primarily because it’s nothing like mine. we mesh well vocally. whew… glad that’s settled. lol ”
    4:22 PM Jan 27th from web

  93. Cook was recording solo albums, with Neil and Andy’s help, during the time he was in MWK, if I’ve got the timeline right?

    I think David already left MWK when he recorded his solo album Analog Heart. Neil and Andy however did help with some of the tracks.

  94. Posting the pro/anti Cook or Andy opinions on DCO or WNH is one thing but it pisses me off when people have to twitter that shit directly to David or Andy. Must have gotten a little crazy a while back for David to twitter this:

    Do a search once on either guy and see the crap that gets tweeted to them – it’s insane. And if you want some real horror, read some of Neal’s. Twitter is the devil, for sure.

    I was happy about this concert and the way it was pulled off but some reviews that are coming in make me raise an eyebrow. Things like… “Finally Andy was able to sing the songs that God created for him to sing…”

    Hmm. Neal = God? Where the heck is that stuff posted? Maybe I should stay out. The whole David/band fanwarring is so obnoxious, it makes me grind my teeth. I wouldn’t know that Andy/Neal/THH/MWK existed without David, so even if I liked those guys better, I’d be at least grateful to David for introducing me to their music. If I want to hear a whole show of Andy singing, I’ll catch a MWK show (well, in theory, since I don’t travel far and they surely aren’t playing in DC right now)… but when I go to a David Cook show, even if it was “The Anthemic,” I want to see mostly David Cook.

    I probably get my fan card revoked on all levels (bandcard? Cookcard?) because I love ’em all, lol. (Fires up iPod to listen to “‘Til I’m Blue,” “Story of Your Life,” and “Lie” right in a row… hmm, and I’ll add “Makeover” on the end of it just for some Analog Heart. And “Therapy” for Axium. Did I cover it all?)

  95. Oh, and I also get a kick out of “Hold” by Axium since Andy sings on that one. Andy had to be a real youngster on that one.

  96. Curlin that one pissed me off. But it started when Andy responded to someone who twitted directly to him (paraphrased) I have to admit I like @thedavidcook’s voice better than @andyskib’s and Andy responded… I do too.

    Seriously that was so shitty of someone to do. And maybe it wasn’t the best thing to do to respond to this person. But I am sure Andy was pissed and wanted to call this person out.

    If I didn’t like Andy’s voice I would just keep my mouth shut and not say anything either way.

    I don’t think some of these people will be happy until Andy and Neal leave David. But I would think Neal would go and join Burn Halo or become a studio musician. They might do MWK but unless they are signed they would need other jobs to make ends meet.

    I personally think these dudes are better together. They have a chemistry that is very hard to find.

    I remember David saying that the plan was to have David launched with a band name. I remember studio pictures with him posing in front of mannequins a la Daugherty’s first CD. But for whatever reason it didn’t happen for that CD. I don’t know if that is because they decided against it or the guys didn’t want to sign with RCA or they wanted the whole process to be more organic. No clue. It will be interesting to see what happens for record number 2.

  97. I think David already left MWK when he recorded his solo album Analog Heart. Neil and Andy however did help with some of the tracks.

    Thanks Hazehel: I get that whole thing very confused.

    He can hardly have been with MWK proper for any time at all then. From what I’ve read he wrote the Analogue Heart songs for Axium, which split after he graduated in 2006. He won AI in 2008 and by that time AH had been out for at least a year and the new album was ready to go?

    Think I’ve got all that right. Doesn’t leave much time for MWK, so it probably was just a settle into the Tulsa scene thing – though I know they’d all associated when he was still in Axium for a few years before that.

  98. Thanks Hazehel: I get that whole thing very confused.

    Oh I’m only saying that because I read during Season 7 that David Cook left MWK to pursue a solo career. How much overlap there is between the him recording and him leaving I have no idea. So who knows, you could still be right and I just misunderstood what that meant.

    ETA – Question – who were those people on his band on the short clip of him on AI playing while bartending?

  99. From what I have read, I think he had written some of the AH songs for an Axium CD. So he already had started on them himself when Axium broke up. Some Ass talking ahead. I think the deal with Axium was David wrote lyrics and that other dude wrote the music. So maybe DC wanted to stretch his wings and try another direction and so musical differences arose and they broke up. He was unsure what to do and Neal told him to come on down to Tulsa and join MWK. But yes in essence he was not a part of MWK for long. A year or two at most. Which is one of the reasons Andy, Neal, MWK fans refuse to look at David as a a legitimate part of MWK.

    I have to bring over this link to Vera from the Tulsa show. The harmonies between Andy and Dave at around 3:42 are just beautiful. Why wouldn’t you want this?

    http://tiny.cc/LdHGc

  100. I have to bring over this link to Vera from the Tulsa show. The harmonies between Andy and Dave at around 3:42 are just beautiful. Why wouldn’t you want this?

    http://tiny.cc/LdHGc

    Yeah, really, what’s not to love about that? I think those guys are magical together. They can jam all they want, switch around who sings lead, I’d watch it.

  101. On the next record, I’m not expecting to see more than two or three David/Neal co-writes, and maybe zero to one co-writes that include other band members. I wouldn’t be surprised if some role was played by studio musicians in the recording.

    Well, he’s already mentioned one with NT and AS. I don’t think MA is a songwriter at all, and KP has written a few things, but not a lot, so a full-band song wasn’t necessarily that likely anyway.

    But I don’t think it’s in RCA’s interest to bring in studio musicians unless it’s to track additional instruments (they might bring in a pianist). It’s cheaper to have the touring band be the studio band, and it makes for better PR.

    As for the nutbar comments: Who the hell ARE those people on WNH? I’ve never signed up over there [and certainly won’t now] but it honestly seems like 3/4 of the fan hysteria and backbiting gets traced back to that site.

    Yeah, really, what’s not to love about that? I think those guys are magical together. They can jam all they want, switch around who sings lead, I’d watch it.

    This. Why make it so complicated, people?

  102. I have to bring over this link to Vera from the Tulsa show. The harmonies between Andy and Dave at around 3:42 are just beautiful. Why wouldn’t you want this?

    So far as I can see they all just love playing and singing together and they all sound great together: so I can’t see why there’d be a problem, especially when they don’t seem to have any problems with it all.

    Ah, the wonderful world of fans :lol

    Hazehel – don’t know who was playing in that AI vid, though I have seen posts here and there which think they can spot both Neal and Monty…

  103. From what I have read from DC’s old blogs and from research that other fans have discovered:

    David played with MWK as early as 2005. He was still in college, Axium was still together but members kept changing (drummers & bass players), and David had already started working on Analog Heart at this time.

    In May of 2006, Analog Heart was finished and ready to sell at the final Axium show. Then Cook graduated college, moved to Tulsa with Neal and others, played more with MWK and continued to work on his second solo album, which was almost done in December of 2007, but he never released it becaue he went to Idol.

  104. ETA – Question – who were those people on his band on the short clip of him on AI playing while bartending?

    I only can see Neal & Monty in the clip. I can’t see the drummer, but if I was to guess, i would guess Josh Center (the drummer for MWK).

    Neal, Josh, & Monty (as DTMB) played on Analog Heart, Andy engineered a few tracks and sang back up on Silver. These guys have been supporting each other for years. I don’t see that support ending anytime soon.

  105. Ah, I stand corrected, so he did record Analog Heart whilst still with MWK.

    I think I can definitely spot Monty in this video –
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClLX-pwi8Ao

    Not sure if it’s Neal on his left though (looks to have tattoos on his arm, but face and posture seem different), but the drummer do look like Josh Center. Anyone has better screencaps?

  106. I sure as heck hope David’s band (Andy, Neal, Kyle, Monty) is on the second record and not some other studio musicians! I feel really strongly about this. they proved themselves on the tour. And as for piano – seeing Andy play piano on “Permanent” on the Idol finale was beautiful.

    Anyway, as Tierbee said “… I think those guys are magical together. They can jam all they want, switch around who sings lead, I’d watch it.” Me too. I love em, love their music

    eta: as gigglesmo says “These guys have been supporting each other for years. I don’t see that support ending anytime soon.” As someone said way upthread this is the most interesting angle on David Cook.

  107. gigglesmo3, your recollection lines up with mine. I also recall that one Cook interview by Nags (Music Equals Life) in which David was talking about/promoting/playing shows to support Analog Heart at the same time that he was talking about being a part of MWK, so it seemed that it was one of those things where he had a couple of projects going on at the same time.

    http://www.musicequalslife.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16:interview-with-david-cook&catid=1:interviews&Itemid=6

    It seems he joined MWK with that understanding.

  108. Keel/Gigglesmo3 – thanks for the extra details: did he leave MWK because of Idol?

    Wellhesback – ITA. I want to see the Anthemic playing on the next CD for all sorts of reasons (none of which are to do with DC not being able to cope musically without them :lol).

    To me they are a band. They are definitely a band on tour. They work really well together and produce a more interesting sound than the rent-a-musician sound on DCTR. I think that is inevitable, with any organic band album set against a label orchestrated hired musician set-up.

  109. fadetowhite I think Cook intended to stay with MWK until he got a more solid, self-supporting music career off the ground. Or until he had to get a real job, which he almost did right before Hollywood Week, but his parents talked him out of it. (smart parents)

    However, if MWK got signed while Cook was still involved with them, I can see him supporting them.

    Also, someone mentioned up thread if Neal was still involved with Burn Halo. From my understanding (and this can be complete ass talking) Neal worked with & was a member of Burn Halo while Cook was on Idol. When Cook won, he asked Neal to join his band, Neal then quit Burn Halo to join Cook. So those fangirls who say Neal would rather be playing for someone else don’t have a clue who Neal is and what is important to him.

  110. Yeah, really, what’s not to love about that? I think those guys are magical together. They can jam all they want, switch around who sings lead, I’d watch it.

    Yes to this, Ms. Tierbee ! I don’t care who sings what at who’s show; I just want to hear them play.
    All this stuff is scary/crazy. Doesn’t WNH have a mod ? Before DCO
    formed, I tried to join them but there was a problem during registration that prevented me from doing so, so I’ve never read their boards. DCO has some neutral territory; you just have to be a cautious traveler ! Anyway, I prefer MJ’s democracy.
    I also would like band inclusion on DCTR2, but I’m not counting on it and will not be angry. I’m sure we could all agree that It’s what DC wants and he won’t speak out against any of the co-writers ( not even Mr. Tedder )19 lines up for him, but he probably has a masterplan as to when he wants to try to loosen the reigns. He’s
    smart and observant of those who came before him . Look at Kelly C.;
    she fought and fought, and now she’s back doing the same type of music she started with, so her tactic didn’t work.

  111. When Cook won, he asked Neal to join his band, Neal then quit Burn Halo to join Cook. So those fangirls who say Neal would rather be playing for someone else doesn’t have a clue who Neal is and what is important to him.

    ITA – besides which, everything I’ve seen about these guys suggests that, not only are they hugely loyal friends, but that they are all active supporters of and lovers of each other music and musical talents.

    I think Cook intended to stay with MWK until he got a more solid, self-supporting music career off the ground. Or until he had to get a real job

    Makes sense – and it is pretty much exactly the same thing that seems to be going on with Andy too, IMO at least. I’ve certainly never seen anything to indicate that DC is forcing him against his will to sing back up vocals for DC&TA!

  112. I forgot to add before that Andy had an interview with Andrew Cook on his KCradio show, and Andy mentioned that he would like To Have Heroes be a band someday.

  113. Folkfan, I completely agree with you. I sometimes think AI fans need to be coached or guided as to not hurt their “chosen” favorites. Because with (some) fans like these, you really don’t need haters or enemies. I just shake my head and watch the trainwrecks and the potential consequences… anywho, these guys just want to make music and pursue their craft. Thanks for the thread, MJ.

  114. I was reading this transcript from an interview in December of ’08. It said this…

    FI: Yeah. I was reading in People magazine that you had said you’re just this goof that got lucky and—

    David: Yeah.

    FI: Do you really feel that way?

    David: Absolutely. I mean I, I KNOW. I’m friends with musicians who are waaay better than I am, that just don’t get the shot to do something like this so. Uh, man I’m, I’m extremely lucky. I mean I, I work hard at it, and I feel like I deserve it, but I mean still luck has to play some role in it. I’m sure.

    I can’t imagine him playing with anybody but Andy or Neal. It’s so sweet.

  115. Looks like Neal to me. He has a way of changing his look

    Papa Bear Neal (and Andy looks like he’s 12) just kills me. He’s all big and woolly!

    I can see Andy going off and doing his thing but it is much harder for me to imagine David & Neal parting ways. But I am thrilled to see them together as long as they stay together because, like I said, I just think they are magical. Seeing them live five times wasn’t enough, I want more. (Greedy thing, aren’t I?)

  116. I lasted about one page on WNH, lol. The Andy “singing the songs God created for him to sing” just sent me right back out. You guys warned me… but noooo, I had to go browse ;)

  117. I don’t think I’ve ever ventured on WNH and it sounds like a good thing I didn’t! I used to mostly lurk here and pop in at DCO sometimes. But I was an avid listener of the cellcasts!! Counting down to next Saturday…. :)

    Also, what these Andy/Neal superfans fail to realize is that most people coming to the DC tour concerts didn’t know anything about the band, probably didn’t even know David had his own band. So they would expect David to be the lead singer on all songs not some other guy who they don’t even know. For crying out loud, some people expected David to sing all the Idol covers and definitely TOML still.

  118. i wish them all so much success. “The story of your life” from Andy Skib’s To Have Heroes EP is one of my very favorite recordings. I have discovered many good musicians by following David Cook.

  119. “The story of your life” from Andy Skib’s To Have Heroes EP is one of my very favorite recordings.

    I LOVE that song – one of my very favorite songs, period. I have so much excellent music thanks to Cookie :) . I love Ryan Star’s “Breathe,” too, and have some GRO songs as well. Plus got to see Matt Nathanson and after that got two of *his* albums).

  120. For crying out loud, some people expected David to sing all the Idol covers and definitely TOML still.

    That’s funny because at one of the shows a pair of women I’d guess… in their 40s? Older then me for sure by a bit, and I’m 36. Anyway, they were sitting in front of me early in the tour (Radford) and they were *really* upset that he didn’t play Idol songs (he did The World I Know). And then I took my sister with me to a show and she said she thought it would be ballads and Idol covers. David really has had a bit of an odd path trying to move from the Idol Cookie to post-Idol Cookie. I like rockin’ Cook with some ballads in there, and I could honestly listen to him play acoustic for hours. I about died and went to heaven when we realized in… Richmond? I think Richmond… they brought out his Hummingbird guitar and we were so excited to get AcousticDave. And it was *purty*.

  121. Ugh sorry tierbee I should have warned you that you would need a strong drink reading there..

    Speaking of the crazys, I know some of us admitted to reading his Twitter replies, so am I the only one who had to stop? My tolerance level finally reached its breaking point a couple of weeks ago. Dang some of the extremely creepy shit people tweet him ALL day over and over..yikes. I don’t blame him for taking a day or two off from Twitter which he seems to be doing lately. People are nuts.

  122. Since we’re strolling a bit down YouTube memory lane, I thought we could re-visit this one,and it’s applicable to the direction this thread has taken. For the 1 or 2 who maybe haven’t seen it, the banter takes a tongue-in-cheek direction when David holds up a fan-made sign and discovers the back says ” Here 4 Skib. ”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoNwEYhmD6c

  123. Dang some of the extremely creepy shit people tweet him ALL day over and over..yikes. I don’t blame him for taking a day or two off from Twitter which he seems to be doing lately

    I’ve often wondered about those tweets; I don’t have a Twitter account,so I can only see what he types, and most of it makes little
    sense. Do you have to have an account to see the entire thing ?

  124. I’ve often wondered about those tweets; I don’t have a Twitter account,so I can only see what he types, and most of it makes little
    sense. Do you have to have an account to see the entire thing ?

    I don’t have an account either. (I’m stubborn) But you can go to twitter.com and type in @thedavidcook in the search bar. (or for a real scare type in @nealfingtiemann)Then all the tweets to him will show up.

  125. Offside – thanks for posting that vid clip. I’d read about all that, but hadn’t seen it :lol

  126. Well boo hoo. I just read on DCO that those demos that MWK are putting together are going to be used to shop to labels for a recording contract.

    Well depending on what happens this could be the last year DC&TA will be together. I hate to see them go their separate ways but with so much talent in one band it was inevitable that it would happen. Especially with a talent like Neal both in front and behind the scenes.

  127. The whole David vs. MWK think pretty much drove me off DCO, which I used to love. And from what’s been said here, DCO was tame compared to WNH, which I have never belonged to. Thank goodness. Complaining that David Cook is singing lead and center stage at a David Cook concert? Screaming “let Andy sing,” or suggesting that Andy is somehow being victimized by singing back-up? Puh-leese. He’s got a steady gig, and he’s gotten exposure for his own project, To Have Heroes, as well as for MWK, that he may be able to leverage off of in the future. To me, he’s a lucky dude.

    For me for you (©Randy Jackson), Andy’s voice is okay, but nothing special. Thin, reedy, without the richness, color and texture of David’s voice. I also think that David’s range and interpretive skills are superior to Andy’s. So to the extent that MWK is now essentially David’s band with David and Andy switching places, I’m more or less meh.

    On the other hand, I’m a big fan of Neal’s guitar playing and songwriting skills. I like many of the MWK songs, qua songs, and I’ve loved David’s versions of “Til I’m Blue” and “Anodyne.” There are some people who are unhappy that David has been doing a lot of co-writing with other people. That’s fine with me, because I think David can use the exposure in the industry, and because I think he’s eager to learn and soaks up these experiences like a sponge. That said, I do hope that there are a few Tiemann/Cook co-writes on DCTR2. I like “Kiss on the Neck” a lot, and I think the two of them could write some terrific stuff.

    The fact of the matter is that David, Neal and Andy have a long history of being supportive to each other. MWK wouldn’t have so many fans if it were not for David, his singing MWK songs at his shows have showcased Neal’s songwriting skills, and David’s willingness to take a back seat to Andy at the MWK show is evidence of his continuing loyalty and support for Neal and Andy pursuing their own projects if they want to. People who like MWK better than David as front man have the MWK EPs to listen to, and can hope that MWK will do another show in the near future. Individual taste is individual taste, after all. Rudeness at concerts is another matter. (BTW, I agree that if people were shouting for David to take over, or even screaming his name over the applause for Andy, that also qualifies as rude.)

  128. Since we’re strolling a bit down YouTube memory lane, I thought we could re-visit this one,and it’s applicable to the direction this thread has taken. For the 1 or 2 who maybe haven’t seen it, the banter takes a tongue-in-cheek direction when David holds up a fan-made sign and discovers the back says ” Here 4 Skib. ”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoNwEYhmD6c

    Did he say “F*** that”? Also I would like to announce Andy looks hot with short hair and some facial hair.

  129. I asked the owner of the Flytrap around 9pm where were all the people?? He said they’ll probably come later, but for me I would say it was about 1/2 full. I was really surprised at how empty it felt & for awhile I felt bad for the guys. I think a lot of out of state fans bought tickets and just didn’t show up. Had it been a weekend night AND had they advertised that David was going to be there performing I think it would have been packed.

  130. Did he say “F*** that”?

    Yes, yes he did. I’ve seen many different versions of that video (because all the facial expressions are so presh). I love how they have so much fun with each other.

  131. Lots to catch up on. Thread is getting interesting!

    Maybe, just maybe, if folks give DC and the guys room to maneuver, Andy fans will one day find themselves with a wide choice of concerts from an Andy Skib who is on his own tour, having won himself (as a solo artist or front man) a recording contract and label backing.

    I wonder if the boys are actually expecting MWK to be signed, or just, as that recent interview indicated, just keeping it going for fun– now that they have steady income, etc. from touring with DC… Anyway, if (big if) MWK does get signed, they’ll have to find themselves another rhythm guitar player since I’m sure RCA won’t allow DC to be signed to another label for another gig… and yeah, boo if it doesn’t allow The Anthemic to keep touring with DC :(.

    I love Anodyne and KOTN, so Cook and Teiman together make a really good combination to me. But I haven’t been taken with Til I’m Blue or the other MWK stuff. It may be that given a few listens it would grow on me as with Axium, but I’m not that invested.

    That’s where I stand too.

    Another funny thing I’ve been reading from the bandnuts is this belief that The Anthemic will be an integral part of DCTR2 right down to their name and a picture of the band being on the CD cover. Now I fully believe RCA will allow them to play on the record, but does anyone honestly believe 19 or RCA will ever view them as an actual band? I dont at ALL. I remember all the griping after Carrie’s special because the band got zero facetime, ditto for CBTM on AI, yet I wasnt the least bit shocked.

    I like that, Trina, bandnuts :). I think you’ve pretty much nailed it– I think the most I’m expecting from The Anthemic on DC’s second record would be playing and getting credited on the record.

    I’m pretty sure Andy Skib wanted to sing lead as well when in David Cook’s band, he looks much happier when he is singing lead (he seemed a bit dour from the videos I’ve seen from the earlier days of David Cook’ tour, although he appeared to loosen up a bit later).

    Eh, I think that’s reading into it. I agree with and subscribe to this view:

    I am sorry but I watched the videos and Andy didn’t perform any differently than he did when he was with DC&TA except for the fact he was the lead singer and he did the banter in between songs. And Neal didn’t act any differently either. The way some people had said that Neal and Andy were holding back so as not to steal the spotlight from David I was expecting them to somehow perform differently. But they were the same as always; talented high energy kick ass musicians.

    Speaking of the crazys, I know some of us admitted to reading his Twitter replies, so am I the only one who had to stop? My tolerance level finally reached its breaking point a couple of weeks ago. Dang some of the extremely creepy shit people tweet him ALL day over and over..yikes. I don’t blame him for taking a day or two off from Twitter which he seems to be doing lately. People are nuts.

    I still check his @replies once in a while. I may have to join you and stop soon. It’s gotten so bad I recognize about a handful of twitter names that tweet him INCESSANTLY. Like 20 times a day… it’s tremendously creepy. Because these people clearly are not on twitter for any other purpose, and clearly have nothing to do all day…?

    I read this in a girl’s recap

    I haven’t seen too many recaps, and wanted to read some– anywhere I can read more recaps besides WNH, since that requires registering?

  132. Smallie – there are a few on DCO in the off-topic thread, but not that many really.

  133. Yes, yes to all that sma11ie. I’ll just add forget their only reason being on Twitter, judging by how often some of them tweet in a days timeframe I’m not sure they have much of a life off the computer. The thing that started driving me nuts was the ones harping on him for being away from Twitter too long when it times he last tweeted maybe 12 hours since. This constant need for him to tweet every move he makes and be on there all day is insane. I follow lots and lots of stars, some take week long breaks, sometimes longer, some tweet every 5 days or so. They should thank their lucky stars he’s on there as often as he is.

    BTW for anyone who wants to block out the select few overly creepy ones you can type their name in the searchbar after Davids with a – next to the @ symbol near their name. Though even with that its all too much to be able to stand.

  134. BTW for anyone who wants to block out the select few overly creepy ones you can type their name in the searchbar after Davids with a – next to the @ symbol near their name.

    Duh! I should’ve thought of that. I think I will be able to stomach the replies if I do that… cuz I do find twitter to be the quickest way to get any news in DC-land– a new pic, new vid, whatever it is, twitter scoops it, so I do appreciate twitter for that.

  135. Well boo hoo. I just read on DCO that the demos MWK are putting together are going to be used to shop to labels for a recording contract

    Just read the PB thread on DCO and to me this is fan speculation and projection as is the nature of that particular thread of DCO, lots of navel gazing going on there, lol.

    I asked the owner of the Flytrap around 9pm where were all the people? He said they’ll probably come later, but for me I would say it was about 1/2 full…..Had it been a weekend night AND had they advertised that David was going to be there performing I think it would have been packed

    But, but, buutt, It was not about David, it was about superstar group MWK ( sorry for the sarcasm).
    As someone upthread noted, MWK was a regional/ local band with no national following at all so a 50% venue fill in their old stomping grounds is probably pretty good. What’s the interest outside of that area, who knows.

    I have to thank MJ and the posters on this thread for being able to discuss Andy/ MWk without flaming each other. Frankly I share SybilT’s assessment of Andy’s voice but it’s nice to be able to discuss one’s likes and dislikes in a respectful manner. DCO gets trashed on twitter occasionally but the WNH is where the scary/crazy lives.

    As far as the Anthemic playing on DCTR2, David has stated this over and over again, so I would expect they will be in studio with him. I guess some won’t believe it till they see it with there own eyes, lol, so hopefully David will keep the vlogs coming.

  136. For the 1 or 2 who maybe haven’t seen it, the banter takes a tongue-in-cheek direction when David holds up a fan-made sign and discovers the back says ” Here 4 Skib. ”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoNwEYhmD6c

    Haha, I hadn’t seen that either – I think because I had just come home from the VA Beach show the day before (I think, I wanted to drive to NC…) and I was so wiped out I was offline a bit. That is too funny.

    The whole David vs. MWK think pretty much drove me off DCO, which I used to love.

    Yeah, me too. I don’t go there very often anymore, seems like every time I do someone is squabbling over something or someone is committing boardicide ;) .

    That said, I do hope that there are a few Tiemann/Cook co-writes on DCTR2. I like “Kiss on the Neck” a lot, and I think the two of them could write some terrific stuff.

    I don’t get all the angsting over the co-writes, either. He’s a newbie – and he clearly loves to learn. So let him write with people, make some contacts, and learn. But yes, please, to some Tiemann/Cook cowrites because I like what results from it :)

  137. Oh, I do have to mention, though – although I was sent running in terror from the WNH site, there were some pretty good pictures of David over there so I did take a moment to ogle look at those first :)

  138. I have to say even if MWK were to get signed, I bet these friends would still find a way to play music with each other. Friends want the best for each other, don’t you know.

    I never liked WNH, except for the pix. There are many things for a non-BSC fan to like about DCO – the concert threads were great, for example, and it’s easy to avoid threads you don’t like.

    Anyway, I’m still enjoying the vids from Flytrap, hope all the boys had a great time, and am looking forward to cellcast from Morongo (or whatever that casino is called).

  139. Tierbee, I wanted to check out some pics too so I headed over there but I didn’t realize you actually have to register first. So I checked out the guidelines and ironically it states:

    “2. Respect David Cook. This is a fanbase forum and we are all here because we are DC fans. We are free to discuss everything related to him and his career, but no bashing or back-handed comments about him will be tolerated.”

    Not sure if I was actually on the right site. Can anyone give me the official site or post a link pleae?

  140. Curlin – to be fair, in my reading, WNH is mostly made up of uber-Cook fans (as you’d expect on a fan site).

    It just also happens to have a small pocket of uber-band fans who sometimes phrase what they say about DC rather peculiarly – to my mind at least – because bottom line, even if you’ve decided that you don’t like his stuff very much and love MWK, Andy and Neal (which is fair enough) these guys are still clearly all really good friends and musically tight knit.

  141. To be honest, there is so much speculation on the future that fans seem to forget to enjoy the present or what just happened. David Cook just performed with his “old” band MWK on Thursday night – some of whom play with him now. One of whom is now a member of The Scene – Selena Gomez’s band. David has a new bass player for his band. By the videos and all accounts, it was a fun show.

    Why people need to tea leaf read over what may or may not be possible future signings for MWK based on fan speculation / fan conjecture is absolutely hilarious. Cuz if it happens, it happens. Only these guys know. But people adapt. But more importantly, it hasn’t happened. Maybe this is just the nature of AI fans? — to speculate and guestimate how the ‘future’ might look outside of a bubble. Who knows? It can be exhausting but at the same time, isn’t that what AI fans do? Try and see who will be the biggest whatever? Heh.

  142. I don’t go there very often anymore, seems like every time I do someone is squabbling over something or someone is committing boardicide

    Now that was hilarious !
    What is a PB thread, though?

  143. OFFSIDE: PB is the Proverbial Box thread, go to Community then go under David Cook discussion. To be fair while the general naval gazing, analyzing of what David or his bandmates are thinking and feeling and projection of what fans want or what they think he should be doing onto David is a bit of a turn off to me, their discussions are always intelligent and respectful of different opinions.

    BATGIRL478: WNH is the Word Nerd Home, a david cook fan site, you have to become a member , the convos can get a little OTT but as Tierbee pointed out their photo collection is to die for, lol

  144. What is a PB thread, though?

    Offside, the PB thread at DCO is a thread spun off by the Proverbial Box Forum – which is Not an Uber Fan Site. It’s all about thinking outside the Proverbial Box.

    The thread at DCO focuses on “Celebrity, Fans, Marketing, and Rock” and specializes in
    ” armchair sociology regarding the fan/performer relationship, as well as the marketing of the David Cook brand.”

    BatGirl, WNH is Word Nerd Home – an offshoot from the original AI Forums. I’ve never joined, don’t know anything else about it except what I’ve read here and elsewhere..

    ETA: Aww, Fergie was quicker off the mark – but we do agree on the respectful atmosphere towards other posters on the PB thread.

  145. Speaking of naval gazing and projections, I wonder what RCA thinks of the MWK situation, and to what extent they give a flying f– about the bandmate fanwars that bleed onto DCO. I’m guessing they don’t really care, and are definitely not threatened by MWK if the fan-mod (FoolsApril something?) set up the MWK show thread. I’m pretty sure DCO supports all the OT stuff on the bandmates and MWK because David Cook supports all of it. I get the sense that RCA doesn’t really concern itself with the future of MWK or the Anthemic, or think of those guys as an integral part of their artist “David Cook” the way the band-fans (and bandnuts) do. Don’t get me wrong, I love the guys, and really hope The Anthemic stays together– I’m just projecting and asstalking that IMO they’re all around because of David, and I don’t think RCA gives a crap either way.

  146. the convos can get a little OTT but as Tierbee pointed out their photo collection is to die for, lol

    You could probably say that with all these various fan sites, their members are very generous when it comes to sharing their videos, pictures, downloads,etc (this site included)and in that sense I have to take my hat off to them, as all I’ve ever really done is enjoy their offerings.
    * Sorry, MJ, I didn’t mean to call this a “fan site” ! *

    *

  147. Sma11ie,

    Neal was supposedly signed to RCA prior to or at the start of DCTR1 and the other guys were added later, no idea what the contract set up is through. I think RCA cares very much with keeping their moneymaker (David) happy and the band is part of that happiness. Is RCA’s A&R department scouting MWK…um..probably not. I would bet a weeks paycheck on the fact that RCA doesn’t care one iota about what a handful of drama loving fans are posting on DCO, especially the Off topic section of DCO

  148. DCO supports all the OT stuff on the bandmates and MWK because David Cook supports all of it.

    I agree. It all gets tucked in the OT forum,( along with the Numbers and Chart thread for all the other idols), but it wouldn’t be there at all except for David’s support of his “Family by Choice”, IMO.

    When Andy Skib won that Twitpic contest for the picture taken outside the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the RCA interns put it on the Home page, because David was in it – but the members had to tell them the names and band affiliations of everyone else in the twitpic, including who took it – they surely didn’t know. To their credit, they fixed the attributions and the ID’s – but David is the person RCA signed, and David is their focus. The Boyz are there because he wanted them, and their talent got them through the RCA scrutiny, so everyone could be happy with the outcome…In My Opinion, of course.

  149. This stuff gives me a headache. It is so not that serious to me. Nobody’s career will end based on what the others do. Just let these guys make music in whatever configurations they want and buy it if you like it. The end.

  150. ^^^

    I agree completely, Tinawina, but this has been a really great thread. I’ve enjoyed the discussion sans the drama you occasionally find on the fan sites, twitter, etc.

  151. According to David Cook’s tweet, the Flytrap show was “F.U.N.”
    It sure looks like it from the vids.
    I enjoy DC threads on MJs – This thread is notable for the lack of commentary on the hair; Cookie’s looking good

  152. BATGIRL478: WNH is the Word Nerd Home, a david cook fan site, you have to become a member , the convos can get a little OTT but as Tierbee pointed out their photo collection is to die for, lol

    Thanks Fergie! I knew about DCO but had never heard of WNH. Imight need to check out the photos at least.

  153. This thread is notable for the lack of commentary on the hair

    Good Lord, do you really want another three pages ?

  154. This thread is notable for the lack of commentary on the hair

    CRAP! I totally didn’t even think about it! I’m losing my touch. It’s because it’s not fun to snark on DC’s hair when it looks perfectly fine, and pretty much exactly like it did in the Idolatry videos. But now that you bring it up, I have to comment I’m happy to see that it looks to be a pretty good cut, and not some overly styled situation that couldn’t withstand an entire night of sweaty headbanging. The shorter bangs are really more conducive to sweaty show hair. I’m happy ;).

  155. I dont know about everyone else but I havent been able to pay attention the hait because I’ve been too busy gawking admiring the results of his trainer kicking his ass.

    eta: He just tweeted and mentioned Matt Squire..um what?! I LOVE me some Matt Squire GAH. He does mostly producing though hmmmm…

  156. Good Lord, do you really want another three pages ?

    Yes. I love reading this. It gives me stuff to think about. =)

  157. Yeah Matt Squire seems pretty cool. He is very current. And is a big producer of power pop. If you go to his wiki page he is all over the uber power pop/punk bands on Top 40. 3OH3! (or however you spell it) Simple Plan. Boys Like Girls etc…

    Although he does do co-writes as well. He has been working with Archie so I am not getting my hopes up.

    Although this does prove that RCA really wants that Top40 hit.

  158. I agree, the hair does look good, but to be honest, I never really notice the hair unless it’s like This Is It premier hair. It just doesn’t look bad to me, but maybe that’s because I have bad hair !

  159. I never really notice the hair unless it’s like This Is It premier hair.

    We shall never speak of that dreadful tragedy.

  160. Matt Squire huh? Never heard of him, but I have heard of the folks he’s worked with. Me likey.

    Although this does prove that RCA really wants that Top40 hit.

    Heh. I think the writings on the wall with that one.

  161. I never really notice the hair unless it’s like This Is It premier hair.

    We shall never speak of that dreadful tragedy.

    That whole several days of bad hair needs to be wiped from memory… This Is It, the Carrie Special, EM:HE. Sigh. Such awesome events to see DC be awesome, forever marred by flathead… like I always say, priorities, right ;)

    Although this does prove that RCA really wants that Top40 hit.

    Heh. I think the writings on the wall with that one.

    I agree. And I’m totally fine with it if it makes DCTR2 as big a hit as Kelly Clarkson’s Breakaway, or gives him as big a hit as Since U Been Gone. If it gives me an all over the place pop album like Adam Lambert’s FYE… then I’m breaking up with RCA, lol. I love me some good pop/pop-rock albums but me no likey disjointed albums with no discernable cohesion, theme, or sound.

    LOL, after talking about fan-requested hugs, DC is now tweeting about buying a movie on iTunes, while Claude is tweeting about naptime. Sounds really productive haha.

  162. Although this does prove that RCA really wants that Top40 hit

    .

    I still don’t understand this ( and sorry because I know the horse is indeed dead ) but why is it necessary for him to have a Top40 hit ? You would think the folks who liked him on Idol have made up their minds by now as to whether or not they want to listen to his music, so why not let him make the type of music he set out to do ? What I mean really is – can’t he have a sucessful single without it having to be pop ?

  163. I still don’t understand this ( and sorry because I know the horse is indeed dead ) but why is it necessary for him to have a Top40 hit ? You would think the folks who liked him on Idol have made up their minds by now as to whether or not they want to listen to his music, so why not let him make the type of music he set out to do ? What I mean really is – can’t he have a sucessful single without it having to be pop ?

    Well, I guess it’s because being more high profile does generally mean more revenue. So to increase his odds of making a profit, they want to extend his reach.

    HAC is relatively small when it comes to generating revenue, and pop is the path of least resistance for Idol alumni when it comes to supplimenting HAC airplay. Plus, pop is huge for increasing a mainstream presence.

    But I’m just guessing. I don’t know for real.

    But looking for a strong lead single does not necessarily spell doom. We don’t know what the plans are for the album’s overall sound.

  164. Well the thing is its crucial for him to reach beyond the Idol fans, and frankly AI fans are a fickle bunch and don’t always stick around. Some may have decided they like his music, some move on to the next big thing. There’s a good reason why sophomore CD’s always sell considerably less than debut CDs and when the Idol buzz has worn off. Top 40 audience impression is A LOT higher than HAC. He needs that exposure. DCTR sold at its best when TOML and LO were getting Top 40 airplay, when CBTM got barely any sales started dropping.

  165. I do understand ( I suppose ), I guess it’s just my distaste for Top40 music speaking. To me, just about anyone can have those singles, their sound is so interchangable to any artist, but on the HAC stations you get the FOBs *sniff*, the Chili Peppers, even Green Day. They all have had sucessful singles without the Top40
    format.I guess that’s all I mean.

  166. I think David needs at least one big top 40 hit on the next album, but I’m not that worried that it will be overly pop or come off sounding like Britney or anything. He just needs something that’s a little edgier or something that stands out from other stuff that gets dumped in the “sounds like Nickelback” category. I really hope we find out who’s producing soon. I’m starting to wonder whether that new single is going to make its debut on Idol…

  167. I love this thread. I am not feeling so hot so yay for my iPhone so I can lay around and read this!

  168. I’d love for him to have a Top 40 hit… And then give me more stuff that I love because I have played the crap out of the music I already have ;)

  169. To me, just about anyone can have those singles, their sound is so interchangable to any artist, but on the HAC stations you get the FOBs *sniff*, the Chili Peppers, even Green Day.

    Word. *wipes tear in memory of FOB*

    I love this thread. I am not feeling so hot so yay for my iPhone so I can lay around and read this!

    Yes, but it is a pain in the @$$ (tm Dave) to post on.

  170. on the HAC stations you get the FOBs *sniff*, the Chili Peppers, even Green Day.

    But these bands all gained prominence with significant Top 40 play… these are not exactly HAC-only acts you just listed. Most huge bands that everyone knows aren’t HAC-only.

    @thedavidcook: congrats Team USA hockey! A great win over a great Canada team. No small feat

    DC never ceases to amaze me. I don’t think he ever tweets or speaks in public without an automatic filter. He manages to convey Team USA spirit and congratulate Team USA while giving props to Canada. I’m trying to think– except when he’s tweeting about Mizzou versus KU or any rivalry with Andrew, DC pretty much never *really* trash talks any opponent, does he?

  171. Yeah but FOB and Green Day have had Top 40 hits though. Thnks fr the mmrs I’m pretty sure even reached Top 10, Green Day definitely had a couple of massive pop hits that also crossed over to other formats.

    Re: single debuting on AI. I’m starting to doubt it because Idol apparently is inviting practically all of season 8 and rejects from seasons before that and the weeks are filling up. I’ll say this, if freaking Scott and Ayla Brown get an appearance and David doesn’t? 19 is dead to me.

  172. Re: single debuting on AI. I’m starting to doubt it because Idol apparently is inviting practically all of season 8 and rejects from seasons before that and the weeks are filling up. I’ll say this, if freaking Scott and Ayla Brown get an appearance and David doesn’t? 19 is dead to me.

    If he has something ready in time I’m sure they’ll debut it. But he might not. It doesn’t seem like they are close to being done yet… and we don’t have any indication that they are closing in on a single choice. They haven’t even chosen a producer as far as we know. I ain’t holding my breath.

  173. David has made 19/RCA the most money of any Idol from the last three seasons. I don’t think I will be doing any pre-emptive worrying about him showing up on Idol – Bottom Line – he’s good for the ratings – and the cash returns.

  174. Yeah but FOB and Green Day have had Top 40 hits though. Thnks fr the mmrs I’m pretty sure even reached Top 10, Green Day definitely had a couple of massive pop hits that also crossed over to other formats.

    That’s exactly my point, though. They had hit singles but the songs themselves weren’t necessarily pop songs.Somehow what I mean to say isn’t computing from my brain to my fingers ! I promise I’ll let it go now .

    Oh, and yes it is a great Canadian team that USA beat 5-3 a few minutes ago !

  175. Oh, I might know what you’re talkin bout Trina. Hair?Whut? I’m pretty sure this sneaky misdirection is all part of Cookie’s evil fitness plan. ;)

    So Matt Squire, he helped break Panic!, right? Hmm. If they’re pairing Cook with an established hit maker to help break the first single on Top 40, I’d much much much rather the Matt Squire/Sam Hollander option than, say, the Tedder option, because I actually like a lot of the music produced by Option A. Option B notsomuch.

    And I’m totally fine with it if it makes DCTR2 as big a hit as Kelly Clarkson’s Breakaway, or gives him as big a hit as Since U Been Gone. If it gives me an all over the place pop album like Adam Lambert’s FYE… then I’m breaking up with RCA, lol. I love me some good pop/pop-rock albums but me no likey disjointed albums with no discernable cohesion, theme, or sound.

    Cosigned. I do expect with cowriters as diverse as Claude Kelly, Neal Tiemann (power of suggestion, y’all) and Kevin Griffin that we’ll get tunes from both ends of the David spectrum and whatever may be in between. As long as it all feels appropriately David-y to me, I’m good. If instead there’s a lot of “for this song, the role of ______ will be played by David Cook”, I’ll be shooting imaginary eye lasers at RCA.

    BTW, I’m watching the NBC Olympics coverage right now as I type and guess what song is being used for a Bode Miller recap montage? Oh hai, Heroes.

  176. I’m starting to doubt it because Idol apparently is inviting practically all of season 8 and rejects from seasons before that and the weeks are filling up.

    What have you heard?

    If he has something ready in time I’m sure they’ll debut it. But he might not. It doesn’t seem like they are close to being done yet… and we don’t have any indication that they are closing in on a single choice.

    That’s what I think too. But I do hope the album is finished in time for an early summer release so DC can play the lead off single on AI. That said, I’m actually not a big fan of the AI debut. I think it’s best when a song is given some time on radio before hitting AI– that’s what could push a song over the edge. But of course, given the chance for an AI debut or no AI performance at all, I hope DC gets a performance. I also hope he gets in on IGB. And heck, while I’m naming my ponies, a finale night performance too, cuz why not, LOL. They’ve nearly done as much for Carrie (she performed twice each in S7 and S8!)

    In other EXCITING news, just saw a Bode Miller montage set to, wait for it, HEROES. I love NBC :). ETA: sunchick beat me to the scoop ;)

    ETA2:

    I do expect with cowriters as diverse as Claude Kelly, Neal Tiemann (power of suggestion, y’all) and Kevin Griffin that we’ll get tunes from both ends of the David spectrum and whatever may be in between.

    I’m not too worried about the all-over-the-place scenario, though, since it looks like David is CO-writing with all these various writers, so even though the cowriters may be in disparate styles, their common thread would be DC. All the DC-written songs I’ve heard, cowritten or not, have been pretty unmistakably DC to me.

  177. GMTA, smallie. ;) Heroes worked beautifully for that purpose, didn’t it? My favorite part was the shot of the cloud cover on the mountain during “down off of these clouds…”

    I’m not much worried about the all over the place either. It appears that David is very hands on creatively, which makes me breath fairly easy.

    As for AI, I also think it’s possible they’ll have him on to sing something for Idol Gives Back, even if it’s not necessarily the first DCTR2 single. Have they already given the boot song to someone else?

  178. Haha, twitter exploded with tweets to DC about the Heroes montage, and boyfriend tweets this:

    @thedavidcook: did anyone get it for youtube? I missed it. :/

    Oh my word. I love it when he reads our tweets, and gets excited about things like this the same way we do. And makes cute little emoticon faces. I hope someone gets it on youtube for him.

    Makes me wonder– I guess DC wasn’t told ahead of time? I’d think he’d be informed that NBC got the rights to Heroes, even if they don’t say when or if they’d use it for sure? Wait, has NBC has used Heroes before? I lose track of these things =P.

    P.S. I love this thread. Sorry for post-ho’ing.

  179. What have you heard?

    Oh I’m just going by Danny, Matt, Scott all saying they’ll be back on this season singing..then Kris obviously who may have more than one appearance. I have no doubt Adam will be back, and since Allison is with 19 I bet she will too. Ayla Brown said in some interview last week she may be on to sing..I agree he may not even have a single ready but at the least I hope he’s part of IGB in some way. In previous years they’ve had Idols on with no current projects.

    I clearly need help because this? I think I have something in my eye

    @thedavidook SO cool! It’s moments like that that help vindicate the agonizing over lyrics and chord structure and melodies, etc. etc….

    Aww I’m happy for him *squishes*

  180. Danny, Matt, Scott all saying they’ll be back on this season singing..then Kris obviously who may have more than one appearance. I have no doubt Adam will be back, and since Allison is with 19 I bet she will too. Ayla Brown said in some interview last week she may be on to sing

    Ok that is a lot of people. I love Matt, but I’m thinking he’ll be a semi-final performance? If Scott or Ayla get anything more than a semi-final performance, I will die of shock and be appalled. I dunno, that is a lot of people, but I think there’s still room for DC… hope ;).

  181. I don’t think big stars are ever on semi-finals result nights and I assume they will all be on those episodes. Well I mean Kris is a big star but he is doing a tie in with IGB. How many weeks of semifinals results shows are there?

  182. though we moved on in the thread from the band discussion, I just wanted to mention this w/regard to how close the guys seem to be –
    Andy & Neal were in the audience at American Idol when Dave sang “Always be my Baby”. (there’s screenshot proof on my other computer) At a promo gig Neal was asked what he thought of it. Neal said it was cool, and he mentioned it was the last time he got to hang out with David’s brother Adam. I thought that was interesting & thought others might also.

    more on topic – so Cookie is working w/Claude Kelly again? wonder if he went from Tulsa to L.A. or N.Y.

  183. Garnetstar, there are 4 weeks of semi’s. I don’t think Kris will be performing this week, just presenting the Haiti clip? I’m sure Kris will get a performance in the finals… or maybe a performance on IGB instead? Or both? And every reigning Idol gets a performance spot on Finale night, so Kris could potentially show up 4 times this season! Haha, doubt that’d happen, but probably he’ll show up at least twice. I’m hoping DC gets to show up at least once. But fingers crossed that it’s twice =P.

    wellhesback– I think Claude is currently in LA.

  184. Great thread so far. I love the voice Dave uses when he harmonizes, whether it’s with Raine Maida, Kevin Griffin, or Andy Skib. It’s ethereal. I also agree with Sybil about Andy’s voice. I like it blended with David’s, and I’ve learned to enjoy it on the MWK stuff because I like Neal’s songwriting so much, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to hear just Andy. I do hope the Anthemic will stay together with its current line up for a while. As LadyM said, Monty really seems to ground the band, and there’s a cohesive energy that wasn’t there with Joey, even though I like him too.

    Aren’t there 3 weeks of semis? Top 24, Top 20, and Top16? Jordin performed Top 3 week last year, so I’ve figured that’s about when David will show up. That’ll be 5/19, if I’m not mistaken. So, 3 months to get enough done on the album to know what the first single will be, and have it ready to go up on iTunes. It’s doable, if not ideal. He’ll probably sing a cover on IGB, maybe with other singers, or a new arrangement of a DCTR song.

    I’ve been wondering if they’ll have 2 different Idols perform on some of the results shows. Last year they always had an Idol and another artist. This year they could pair some of the more successful Idols with some of the Indie/struggling ones. Or, maybe they will (shockingly) have 3 musical guests sometimes. It would be a good way to get rid of some of the silly filler.

  185. Oops, yes, 3 weeks of semi’s. Also, just re-read the AI.com blurb on Kris– he’s performing this week. Hm, maybe Kris will get this slot, another clip (prolly no performance) on IGB, and then finale performance this year?

  186. I could swear that DCO had IGB listed on the events page for April, but that’s no longer there. I’m sure he’ll be on the show one way or another this season, I guess I’m just getting impatient for new music. (And yeah, not really thrilled to see Ayla Brown and Scott again.)

  187. Ayla Brown? What’s her claim to fame other than that her dad just got elected to the Senate? Has she done anything musically in the last few years?

    Scott? Puh-leese. He so outlasted his sell-by date last year.

    I’m sure Kris will get another spot. Its unusual for a previous winner to appear so early in the season but perhaps Jive/19 are thinking it will boost album sales.

    I think it would be great if David appeared on IGB and/or the finale with a new single. Every time he appears on TV, his album or the track feature get an iTunes bump. Lie, which was never released as a single :-( got a big bump when he sang it on the Carrie special. He got a bump out of EM:HE too, even though he didn’t sing. He sold 100,000 of his special charity single Permanent on iTunes after, and would have gotten a lot more had iTunes not screwed up getting it on iTunes right after the show, which David had said they would do.

    So a new single debut on Idol would be great. I agree that he needs a Top 40 hit, and that it doesn’t need to be poppy dreck for him to do it.

  188. Why was it hot when he licked his fingers? Lol! I am sick and on the couch, can’t see the Heroes vid right now, will crawl to computer later…

  189. Catching up this morning. David Cook IS hot. and he was still twittering about working last night!

  190. Who’s Ayla Brown? LOL Seriously. Well, I guess she needs the exposure.

    Why was it hot when he licked his fingers? Lol!

    I have no idea what you mean. :D

  191. Well, this is what happens when I take a break from the Interwebz for a weekend – I miss all the fun! Dang RL! Had to spend hours catching up! Thanks for the entertainment, though, guys. Now onto the Heroes Bode Miller thread! :)

  192. Hey sunchick…

    Your avatar looks suspiciously like one of my pictures taken from the show!

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