David Archuleta Splits With WEG Management (UPDATE: It’s Official – David Has Been Dropped By Jive)

UPDATE: It’s official. THR reports David Archuleta was dropped by his record label, Jive Records.  “David was released from our roster” said a Jive spokesperson.

UPDATE:  a fan asks Melinda if David is leaving Jive records she answers, “The other way around, correct.”

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It was only last September when David Archuleta announced he hired Wright Entertainment Group to manage his career, but it looks like the Season 7 runner-up is moving on.

His WEG manager, Melinda Bell spilled the news in a twitter message, “Attn David Fans- unfortunately WEG and David have chosen not to continue work. We wish him the best in whatever he chooses to do. More 2come”

Melinda Bell tweeted to a fan who asked why they split up, “he doesn’t know a good thing when he sees it I guess.”

Earlier today David tweeted, “Decisions.. They are scary things before knowing what could happen after you make them, but I’m excited for what the future holds.”

What could have led to those decisions? Perhaps that his 3rd studio album, released in October, only sold 24K its first week. David has done some radio dates, but has yet to mount a tour to support the album.

We’ll see what the future holds for David. From what I understand, he went without a manager for awhile before he signed with WEG. Hopefully, he can find the right people to guide his career.

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267 Comments

  1. I just asked this in the headlines thread — how many times has Archie changed his management team already?

  2. this is the second time. so it will be 3rd management. First he was with his dad and azoff, then his dad left and he was just with azoff, they split and he was manager less for like most of a year, then Weg, now ???

  3. frogcooke:
    02/17/2011 at 4:42 pm
    this is the second time. so it will be 3rd management. First he was with his dad and azoff, then his dad left and he was just with azoff, they split and he was manager less for like most of a year, then Weg, now ???

    So, he was never with 19? That surprises me, kind of. The 2 Davids were sooooooo popular from their season, I’m surprised 19 didn’t sign him.

  4. It may serve him well just to take a year off and regroup, complete high school/GED and new management. What will Jive do next?

  5. I feel bad for David, he’s such a cutie and kind person. I am not familiar with his music, but I’m sure it’s good too.

  6. The 2 Davids were sooooooo popular from their season, I’m surprised 19 didn’t sign him.

    It probably had more to do with his father’s involvement as to why 19 did not sign him.

  7. To me, it has to be a little worrisome that he’s split with his new mgmt so quickly. It seems like no one seems to know what to do with him — what direction to take with his music. Which is too bad, because he’s a talented kid

  8. Nope he was never with 19.
    —–
    could have just been a trial period to see how they would work out. *shrugs* But it sounds like it was more likely David’s decision.

  9. The past six months must have been incredibly frustrating for Archuleta. I hope he finds the answer that lets him attain his goals.

  10. I thought his father was pretty much out of the picture now. Is that not the case?

  11. I really like David and his music, he is so talented.

    I hope that things work out for the best for him.

  12. As not-the-winner Archuleta probably had a choice of personal management. Based on a several years old Idol contract I saw once, it looked like only the winner has to sign with 19 for all management. Others can choose their own personal manager and still have 19 (for a while anyway) managing some facet of their career (publicity or something).

  13. I thought his father was pretty much out of the picture now. Is that not the case?

    I’ve not heard about his father being involved with WEG at all but as a fan I’m not privy to all the BTS stuff, obviously.

    Whatever David chooses to do in the future, I’ll support him. I just hope he doesn’t keep us waiting too long before announcing something.

  14. Wow, I did not see this coming at all. Good luck Archie in planning your next move :(

  15. I have no idea what this all means for David. I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens. I wonder what Melinda means by “More 2come”.

  16. To be frank, I’m not that upset about his split from WEG. This new management was a source of much debate among the fans for some of their decisions and tactics. And for what they delivered in the way of booking promo for the album.

    I will be interested to see what happens from here.

  17. maybe “more to come” means a formal press release/announcement, rather than just a tweet

  18. I thought his father was pretty much out of the picture now. Is that not the case?

    Don’t think so. I remember seeing his father in one of Archie’s interviews some months back.

  19. This kind of makes me sad. :( TOSOD is an amazing cd but it seems like Jive doesn’t care to promote Archie anymore and WEG is working too slow to get him more gigs. I hope David gets the right management that will work with him and get him to where he wants to be. I want a tour so bad, dang it!!!!!

    Just post the location and time on twitter David, lol. The fans will show up. :) Well good luck to David and hopefully things will work out for the best. He is one of the MOST talented kid to ever step foot on the idol stage.

  20. David’s dad is still his dad obviously. But he hasn’t been managing David for a long time. WEG was his sole manager.

  21. The reality could be that it is David who is difficult to manage vs David always ending up with poor management. A good manager simply finds the water and leads the horse there. The horse (David) has to be willing to try new things and take chances. The idea that he’s had bad management over and over seems too pat of an answer.

  22. Wow, I did not see this coming at all. Good luck Archie in planning your next move

    I am a bit surprised as well, since some WEG guy just mentioned Archie among the list of people on their roster in an article not too long ago. I took that as an indication they were committed to Archie for the longer haul. On the other hand, i’m not too surprised, because they’d been quiet on the Archie front for SO LONG, and seems to have dropped the ball a bit with his last album….

    I hope he finds good management soon. Is Gina Orr taking any more Idols, LOL. She is doing a fantastic job with Crystal, IMO. Archie has so much going for him. Hate to see his career so mismanaged.

  23. David’s dad is still his dad obviously. But he hasn’t been managing David for a long time. WEG was his sole manager.

    That’s obviously not true in the video I saw. He was hovering in the background and appeared to follow everywhere Archie goes. Unless Archie is the kind of person who still needs a chaperone at his age, why on earth is his father tagging along?

  24. I can’t really blame WEG too much. You can’t effectively promote something that has had poor sales and basically no radio airplay. David’s current situation is more a function of Jive’s failures imo.

  25. At what point did WEG come into the picture? I thought WEG came in very close or shortly after his album was released.

  26. At what point did WEG come into the picture? I thought WEG came in very close or shortly after his album was released.

    Correct, which is why this is surprising. They had no hand in launching his first single or any kind of chance of creating some sort of promo strategy for his album. They came into the picture when things we’re heading south, recovering from a failed first single in today’s environment is tough.

  27. hazehel, i havent seen him tag along for a while. Even if he was it was probably davids decision, he is still his dad. He’s been taking his mom everywhere though. Which is nice to see.

    tripp it was right before his album release. maybe about 2 weeks or so.

  28. That’s obviously not true in the video I saw. He was hovering in the background and appeared to follow everywhere Archie goes. Unless Archie is the kind of person who still needs a chaperone at his age, why on earth is his father tagging along?

    So you saw David’s dad in the background of one interview months back and that means that he is following David around everywhere? I don’t know if you are a David fan or not. I know that I am. I know that I’ve followed all of the promotion that David has done for this album and his dad was not following him around. His dad was not there for the promotional trip that David took to Asia. David’s manager and tour manager was there. His dad was not there for the other promotional things that David has done. Either his manager was there or his tour manager was there.

  29. Another example that nothing is guaranteed. He has lots of talent, good looks, likeability, and name recognition, and yet seems to be struggling (true, he is doing it, but selling 24K the first week in his latest album, and only one hit under his belt (Crush) is not exactly “success”).

  30. From what I gather from “local” peeps who know David they have mentioned that David has surrounded himself by a group of advisors…in most cases conservative gentlemen with strong attachments to the predominant local religion. Their number one objective, which is probably also David’s, is to project an image that sets Archie up as “role model” for his religious beliefs and his conservative moral beliefs.

    If this is the case I’m not surprised that “Hollywood” management would find it rather difficult to promote Archie in a field that is inheritantly more liberal. If we look back at other singers with strong Mormon beliefs and ties we can see that it isn’t always easy to marry someone like Archie with a secular world that finds his belief system somewhat unusual.

    Hopefully David can find a management team that specializes in promoting people like David who have a highly visible religious belief system. David needs to find someone who knows of all the square holes to pair up with David’s square pegs.

  31. Poor kid hes had a tough go of it lately :( They have a good roster so I thought they could have done a lot for him.

    Dont throw things at me but maybe 19 would sign him? They seemed to like him and theyre putting so much focus on young people lately.
    i mean, at this point I dont know.

  32. 02/17/2011 at 5:22 pm
    Correct, which is why this is surprising. They had no hand in launching his first single or any kind of chance of creating some sort of promo strategy for his album. They came into the picture when things we’re heading south, recovering from a failed first single in today’s environment is tough.

    This is very surprising, because I thought David was happy with having new management. Possibly his management came up with some idea that he didn’t like and there was maybe conflict.I do know that his album was rather bland and none of his singles were being played by on the radio.

  33. The problem with David is that he doesn’t want to be a JBieber kind of artist. Period–.
    He only performs in charity shows, teleton, and the Mormon issue doesn’t help that much. He doesn’t know how to dance (remember Bieber at the grammys)… Young people adore that stuff, and he is not willing to go that way.

  34. David justly dropped any business ties with his dad after his dad’s arrest in the prostitution sting.

  35. In case anyone is wondering who made the decision, after @davidarchie tweeted about making decisions, @melindaweg tweeted that unfortunately, they were no longer together. Then a fan tweeted @melindaweg to ask what had happened and @melindaweg tweeted back “”He doesn't know a good thing when he sees it”

    There is the answer. David made a decision.

  36. I thought 19 had first right of refusal for the top 10. Doesn’t that include management? And why wouldn’t 19 management not want to sign Archie? He was popular during his entire season. As a matter of fact, I thought he started out being a favorite.

  37. Well, if Melinda/Weg wasnt meshing good with David, then probably better to switch than stick with them.

  38. I don’t know this, of course, but one rumor right after S7 ended was that 19 wanted nothing to do with Archie’s father, which supposedly was one reason why they didn’t sign him (or David declined to be signed by them, w/e)

  39. I don’t feel like David has had bad management “over and over”. He has been with two management firms. The first one worked for a while and they had some success. But then it was decided on some level that a new direction was needed.

    I’m not sure that WEG was the right fit from the beginning. So why belabor the relationship? If it’s not working, then it’s time to move on. Find a better fit for wherever David wants to be heading. I don’t know for sure where that is. We’ll see.

  40. Gferna: Agree. If you want to be a “star” and get “star” money, you gotta be more “out there.” I never got the feeling that he wanted to be a “star” because if so, you go to places (and I’m not speaking literally) that test your limit.
    He’s not going to make it, he might as well stay in Utah and be a local singer.

    If I remember, WEG is Johnny Wright’s group and he had Britney at one time and Christina Miliano….so he’s very cutting edge. He knows a lot of important people and get the right songs to the artists, but I think there is a stubbornness to DA.

  41. So you saw David’s dad in the background of one interview months back and that means that he is following David around everywhere?

    All I say is that it looked weird to me that he had his father standing around looking at him being interview. People his age generally don’t have their father looking over at everything they do. There are only two possible conclusions – either he isn’t mature enough to do things on his own, or his father is some kind of manager. He might also have been in a later video in a studio interview (that I can’t quite remember well, I just occasionally click on videos that people posted, and I really only clicked because it was around the time his album dropped and I was therefore just a little bit more interested).

  42. Good for him. The right manager really makes a difference. I never understood why David chose WEG in the first place This is a group best known for managing teen idols, something David never had an interest in becoming. Other than the Fox New Year’s Eve special, I don’t think WEG got any big appearances for David. Even with the Jonas Brothers as their clients, WEG could not leverage David’s music onto Radio Disney. WEG talked a big game starting out as David’s manager but in the end, all I remember them for is a Ustream chat, a Cambio chat, and tons of interviews in teen mags/blogs. Hardly a way to build a long term career. I also don’t recall David ever turning down opportuities to promote himself other than refusing to walk the purple carpet at Justin Bieber’s premiere – which I actually respect him for. I always thought someone like Gina Orr would be a better fit for him. Hopefully, the next manager he chooses will be focused on marketing him in a way other than as the next teen idol. This should be interesting.

  43. Well, if Melinda/Weg wasnt meshing good with David, then probably better to switch than stick with them.

    i’ll buy that but who knows. If he was expecting them to pull a miracle after going into an era with no management. So far doesn’t look like he has very good business acumen.

  44. I could maybe see a scenario of his label and management wanting more crush type pop love songs and David wanting something more in keeping with his beliefs around the importance of being a role model, like his last album. There’s no way to know that of course, but it sounds plausible.

  45. so, if I’m interpreting that tweet correctly, the management company is saying that Archie made this decision — and that, in their (or Melinda’s) opinion — he’s making a mistake…

  46. I dont think he was looking for a miracle, but I bet he needed ~someone as a manager for the album release.

  47. When you look at all of David’s favorite artists, his management needs to take a look at them too (Sara B., The Rocket Summer, Adele, A Fine Frenzy, all his Nashville buddies, etc.

  48. David’s management shuffle(s) is indicative of how difficult he must be to work with on a business level. His personal values, modesty, and general unwillingness to play “the game” are not going to help him survive in the entertainment business. David has consistently stated that he wants to record “his” music and that fame and fortune are not motivating factors for him. I respect this kid’s idealism, but reality trumps idealism almost every time. The music industry and pop culture in general does not support artists like David. I’m guessing David will go independent or take some time off for missionary work. He is a terrific kid with a great voice, I’m hoping he will continue to perform and record in the future.

  49. Based on a several years old Idol contract I saw once, it looked like only the winner has to sign with 19 for all management. Others can choose their own personal manager

    19 has first option on the top 10. They generally only sign the winner and or the runner up. But they get first dibs on the top 10. If they had wanted David they would have signed him. But like someone said above I suspect they didn’t want to deal with his dad more than anything else

    It’s too bad because I truly think David could be big. Much bigger than David Cook. But he hasn’t had the right songs or management. If he was packaged right he could have appealed to that boy hungry teenage, preteen crowd. But his CD’s have geared toward an older more ballad like sound which doesn’t appeal to that market.

    The low CD sales wouldn’t be such a problem if the had a couple of hit singles under his belt. Most artists today are selling singles rather than CD’s anyway. His single didn’t take off. When I heard it I didn’t think it would. It’s not right for radio. Like I said it’s too bad because he has the talent and the right material and image could make his career take off. But who knows, maybe that is not what he wants. Not everyone wants that big level of fame. Some want to just want to sing and have a happy, comfortable life.

  50. The reality could be that it is David who is difficult to manage vs David always ending up with poor management. A good manager simply finds the water and leads the horse there. The horse (David) has to be willing to try new things and take chances. The idea that he’s had bad management over and over seems too pat of an answer.

    We don’t know if David refuses to try new things, but I do agree that he’s probably hard to manage. He still looks like a teenager, but he has a voice and personality of someone who is much older, and those opposing qualities are hard to promote. On top of that, nobody, including David, seems to know who his target demographic is, or what type of music he’s making.

  51. If I remember, WEG is Johnny Wright’s group and he had Britney at one time and Christina Miliano….so he’s very cutting edge.

    I don’t see anything cutting edge about WEG anymore. Back in the day when they had Britney (not with them anymore) and Justin was putting out music, yeah. The biggest thing they seem to be touting anymore is an internet show to find the next big boyband.

  52. Seems like WEG didn’t get much of a chance. They came into the picture well after the CD was released.

    David is a talented guy, but I honestly have no idea where he goes from here. Maybe best to take a little time off to figure things out.

  53. All I say is that it looked weird to me that he had his father standing around looking at him being interview. People his age generally don’t have their father looking over at everything they do. There are only two possible conclusions – either he isn’t mature enough not to do things on his own, or his father is some kind of manager. He might also have been in a later video in a studio interview (that I can’t quite remember well, I just occasionally click on videos that people posted, and I really only clicked because it was around the time his album dropped and I was therefore just a little bit more interested).

    Like I said, his dad has not be going around with David while he is promoting this album. It has been either his manager or tour manager. In fact, I haven’t even seen a picture of David with his dad since October. And the only time I remember seeing David’s dad in the background of a video is when David met with Alison from A fine Frenzy and there were a ton of people in the background with David’s dad. And I didn’t even notice that his dad was there till somebody here pointed it out. Maybe he was there because he wanted to spend some time with his kid? Who knows. It’s not my business. But again he is not being following David around.

  54. David does struggle with self promotion which you need in the music industry. He also could be hard to manage because he might not want to try new things. Gina Orr would be a good fit for David as a manager if he stays in music. He seemed to like her a lot. I just hope things work out for him.

  55. well to have a hit single radio actually has to play your songs. Put quite a few of Archie’s songs on main stream radio and he would have a hit. No one in San Francisco but the long-time internet fans has any idea that he even has a new cd out. And I love that cd.

  56. I also don’t recall David ever turning down opportuities to promote himself other than refusing to walk the purple carpet at Justin Bieber’s premiere – which I actually respect him for.

    What happened?

    Gina Orr would be a good fit for David as a manager if he stays in music. He seemed to like her a lot.

    DId they cross paths before?

  57. What happened?

    Nothing happened. A fan asked Melinda if David was going to the Beiber premiere. She replied that he was invited but was not able to attend.

  58. It’s too bad because I truly think David could be big. Much bigger than David Cook. But he hasn’t had the right songs or management. If he was packaged right he could have appealed to that boy hungry teenage, preteen crowd. But his CD’s have geared toward an older more ballad like sound which doesn’t appeal to that market.

    Not in pop. And the problem isn’t the music, it’s his image. He just doesn’t work as a pop artist and instead of trying to make him into something he is not, they should work on his strengths. I agree with studio that they should have tried to market him similar to Groban.

  59. On “more to come,” I wouldn’t be surprised if the next announcement is that David and Jive have parted ways.

  60. I believe Gina Orr is David’s publicist. David has mentioned her in the liner notes of both of his pop albums.

  61. He still looks like a teenager, but he has a voice and personality of someone who is much older, and those opposing qualities are hard to promote.

    See I have a disconnect for a different reason. I think he looks like a 19 year old, but his personality/affect in interviews seems much younger while his interests seem older. He just always seems awkward and uncomfortable to me in interviews. I like him though and hope he gets it together and finds a management that will help him. As far as WEG and radio, it’s usually the label’s job to get that done. Jive seemed to try with SBL pretty hard, it just didn’t catch.

  62. DId they cross paths before?

    If i understand GinaOr is David Public Relat. person this information came from Melinda herself two weeks ago after a Jambajim tweet:

    @jambajim @DavidArchie You need your own cooking show. MAKE IT HAPPEN @GINAORR!!

    @MelindaWEG ”yes Gina does our PR amazing woman”

  63. Kris you are right about Gina being in David’s liner notes on his album. He said about Gina Orr: ” I appreciate the guidance you have given and for being a great person.” Maybe he is going with new management but can’t say it right now.

  64. On “more to come,” I wouldn’t be surprised if the next announcement is that David and Jive have parted ways.

    I totally expecting that and more.

  65. After seing @melindaweg tweeting about David’s business on twitter, I think he has made an excellent choice. Is there nothing about client confidentiality? This is very interesting.

  66. I thought it was Jive who would have been responsible for stuff like Radio Disney? Tbh I don’t know why Jive didn’t hook him up with a huge hitmaker like Max Martin. He would have been a good fit for him. Jive put 2 songs out there and if radio had an interest, they would have played them. Simply putting songs out there doesn’t guarantee a hit.

  67. tripp_ncwy:
    02/17/2011 at 4:52 pm
    It may serve him well just to take a year off and regroup, complete high school/GED and new management. What will Jive do next?

    What he doesn’t even have his GED?!?

  68. I agree with studio that they should have tried to market him similar to Groban.

    Please not! :|, he likes more alternative pop and he can be that kind of artist if he want and have more confidence on his own talent, but then after three years , i have not idea what he wants.:(

  69. I don’t necessarily think Gina Orr would be a good fit. After all, until she hooked up with Crystal, fans were criticizing her for not promoting Kris, Allison, etc. better (or more). And it’s not like Archie’s personality or musical style is even close to Crystal’s.

    IMO Archie needs to find a manager who deals with really conservative, religious musicians who still put out non-secular music. That is the type of manager who might have a clue about how to market him.

  70. After seing @melindaweg tweeting about David’s business on twitter, I think he has made an excellent choice. Is there nothing about client confidentiality? This is very interesting.

    LOL! Yeah I got to agree with that, not very professional.

    You guys really think Archie and Jive will part ways? I thoughthe was recording a spanish album for them?

  71. He sure looked like one on the Fox New Year’s Eve broadcast:

    David is blessed with lots of tools and he has a great voice and pretty good skill in presenting himself but all his “pop-ness” is on the stage and it doesn’t carry over into interviews or his general persona. That isn’t a bad thing…but in this age of instant communication, many fans want this image to extend beyond the stage and this is where many feel David has his disconnect. His songwriting is pretty bland and safe (many feel), he seems more comfortable in conservative settings, he likes working with the charity circuit and promoting himself through his good deeds and his commitment to them. Nothing wrong with that but that demeanor is a pretty hard sell in today’s more liberal and open society and not the kind of stuff most kids his age are interested in or into.

    As others have said David just needs to decide who he is, who he wants as his fanbase, and how he wants to relate to the entertainment field and then present himself to an audience that wants that type of entertainer.

  72. IMO Archie needs to find a manager who deals with really conservative, religious musicians who still put out non-secular music. That is the type of manager who might have a clue about how to market him.

    Yeah I agree. Maybe someone who manages a Christian crossover act? There’s a number of bands like that, but they tend to be more rock. Hmm…

  73. I do think that David is going to part ways with JIVE. That will be next.

  74. Melinda just confirmed he was dropped by Jive?….if is true then she should to wait for him to do an statement :|

    @MelindaWEG Is he really leaving Jive? Thats what i’m hearing

    Her answer : other way around correct

  75. Please not! :| , he likes more alternative pop and he can be that kind of artist if he want and have more confidence on his own talent, but then after three years , i have not idea what he wants.:(

    Well… Groban has an operatic thouch on his stuff but Archie doesnt have to have that, he could be more contemporary pop. But you just dont do alt pop and look/behave the way Archue does and expect to get radio play. So he needs to find other routes than radio, which I think Groban has. Or maybe Arhchie should go for contemporary christian music?

  76. “You guys really think Archie and Jive will part ways? I thoughthe was recording a spanish album for them?”

    He had pulled back on the spanish album comments and now back to the “hope he does in the future” comments.

  77. Melinda just confirmed he was dropped by Jive?….if is true then she should to wait for him to do an statement :|

    @MelindaWEG Is he really leaving Jive? Thats what i’m hearing

    Her answer : other way around correct

    Holy cow. If that is true she should have let Jive or David announce it first. Sheesh.

  78. Why is Melinda breaking the news that Jive is dropping Archie? I guess she’s pissed of and acting unprofessional?

  79. Melindas tweets indicates she thought Jive did a poor job promoting the last CD/singles.

  80. I agree that if David was really dropped form Jive, Melinda shouldn’t be the one that announcing it.
    David is so talented, I really hope that things will work out for him.

  81. That Melinda person seems pissed. Archie doesn’t seem to make any good decision, tbh. And now without manag and label… well, not looking good. He’s left with his father which just isn’t the best option.
    It’s a shame this kid has so much talent and so little head to run his career.

  82. The music business is about selling singles and cd’s. The label doesn’t give much thought about values, personalities, looks, religion etc… David’s relationship with his label was doomed from the start.

  83. Melinda isnt always the best at tweeting. especially with punctuation, grammar and spelling. lol just saying.

  84. I don’t necessarily think Gina Orr would be a good fit. After all, until she hooked up with Crystal, fans were criticizing her for not promoting Kris, Allison, etc. better (or more). And it’s not like Archie’s personality or musical style is even close to Crystal’s.

    The difference is that before she was working for 19. Even though she was the VP of Public Relations, she was working with 19’s money, and working within the parameters that they set down to promote artists. Now she’s working for herself, and seems to have a good idea about matching artists (at least Crystal) up with gigs that fit their style, and that exposes them to the audience that they need to reach. That is just not something that 19 does.

  85. The ex-manager needs to back away from twitter. No longer her place to say what Archie’s relationship is with Jive. She should leave that to the label or Archie himself (unless, for some reason, Archie has agreed that she could make these statements)

  86. I never thought Jive was the right label for Archie. He has more class than they do. Seems his management wasn’t a good fit either as evidenced by Melinda’s unethical blabbing.

  87. brewster:
    02/17/2011 at 6:46 pm
    The music business is about selling singles and cd’s. The label doesn’t give much thought about values, personalities, looks, religion etc…

    Your so right, they don’t care about all that other stuff, all they care about is the profit they will make off of the sell of singles and albums. If you don’t produce they will let you go, no matter how nice you are. Just look at Kanye West, a real jerk, who’s saving grace is he’s very talented and has sold oodles of albums. If he wasn’t a platinum selling artist, no record label would put up with his crap.

  88. Yeah, I’m over this Melinda chick. If she has no professional relationship with Archie anymore, she needs to STFU about his business. Why is she even answering questions like that?

    Is she one of those people that just doesn’t get technology? Dingbat.

  89. If this rumor is true (Jive and David splitting) then we now know the reason he was not on the 10th anniversary AI album!

    ETA: Also if this is true I’ll get out my popcorn because I’m sure there will be tons of hatred directed at everyone because “the chosen one” is being given the short straw. David is nothing more than a nice kid who didn’t meet up with the financial expectations of his record label. Nothing sinister or underhanded in that.

  90. The music business is about selling singles and cd’s. The label doesn’t give much thought about values, personalities, looks, religion etc… David’s relationship with his label was doomed from the start.

    I think they care about looks and personality. Taylor was always going to have a hard time getting a contract because of the color of his hair, many female performers can sing their butts off, but if they aren’t a certain size, a lot of major labels won’t sign them. When Jessica Simpson first started out she was a size 10 or 8, and her label made her lose weight before they would release her album. For the label, it’s all about the whole package, and sometimes looks and personality top whether or not a person can sign.

    CindyM, I hate to agree, but David does come off as being awkward, which is just another reason why it is hard to promote him, and figure out where he belongs in the industry.

  91. Melinda just confirmed he was dropped by Jive?….if is true then she should to wait for him to do an statement

    WHAT THE FRACK! And I agree with everyone. Melinda needs to back away from Twitter. This is very unprofessional of her to break David’s/Jive’s news like that!

  92. Who knew that being a fan of someone could be so nerve-wracking? Oy.

    I have to say though — my thoughts on him parting from WEG also hold true with the (rumored) parting with Jive. It wasn’t working between them. Why stay in a relationship that’s not working? It’s no good for either party. Best just to move on.

    I have a great belief in David’s talent — and even in the quality of his last album, although it hasn’t been appreciated much here — but pardon me if I’m a bit anxious until we hear what David has planned.

    So yeah. Being a fan is not always the easiest thing. :\

  93. smallie: WHAT THE FRACK! And I agree with everyone. Melinda needs to back away from Twitter. This is very unprofessional of her to break David’s/Jive’s news like that!

    There is some chance that they had agreed it would be done this way. Bigger chance that you are seeing Melinda at her “finest” here.

  94. Makes sense unfortunately that Jive would drop Archie. Idol drops can come in bunches, so watch your back other idols lol!

  95. Well Melinda has fired up all those ArchAngels into a frenzy right now. They are about ravenous as those Bieber fans.

  96. well a lot of fans didnt like melinda to begin with(not that they have to anyway)

  97. Yeah, I’m over this Melinda chick. If she has no professional relationship with Archie anymore, she needs to STFU about his business. Why is she even answering questions like that?

    Is she one of those people that just doesn’t get technology? Dingbat.

    Melinda is not well liked in the fandom. A lot of fans have been upset by the things that she has tweeted in the past. A lot of fans think she is rude. The biggest crisis she caused on twitter is when she tweeted about how fans hurt artists when they do cellcasts. She has tweeted back to fans in the past when it was best to just ignore them.

  98. Well, I am about as far from a Melinda fan as you can get but some of the things that “fans” are tweeting to her are just out of line. Why do some people feel the need to drop to the lowest common denominator?

    I hope that the fans move on soon. I mean, David would never want them to be doing that. It’s actually pretty embarrassing to me as a David fan. I don’t agree with what Melinda did or how she conducts business but that doesn’t excuse some of those tweets.

  99. Melinda is not well liked in the fandom. A lot of fans have been upset by the things that she has tweeted in the past.

    Well if y’all have been dealing with stuff like this then I understand. I had been inclined to give them a break because I knew they came on to his project late, but this lady has been just extra today. The “not knowing a good thing” comment was borderline but this is just stupid. What a boob. SMH.

    So any word on whether this info is accurate?

    Well, I am about as far from a Melinda fan as you can get but some of the things that “fans” are tweeting to her are just out of line.

    Uh-oh. I might just start feeling sorry for her again. :D

  100. Whoa! The music labels are doomed, doomed, doomed. If Jive cannot turn the gold that is David Archuleta with his voice, cute looks, charm, and hard work ethic into bunches of money, it is just a failing enterprise. But then we have all watched what we thought were stupid decisions made in David Cook’s management. I think Season 7 grads have been suffering because of the downturn in the music industry and the industry’s inability to adjust to the new paradigm brought about by the digital age.

    Hopefully they will still be able to make good, solid careers without being reliant on the dinosaurs stuck in the past.

    Fingers crossed David Cook’s new album is not bungled like Jive has bungled Archie. :(

  101. If it is true that David is being dropped by Jive and if Melinda learned this while she was his manager, then I think it is a breach of her fiduciary duties to him to announce it on her Twitter. How incredibly unprofessional. Wow. I know she is upset about being fired but she should take a look at the big picture. What clients will hire her if they can’t trust her to maintain confidentiality when the relationship ends. Her actions after being fired show that David made thr right decision to axe her ass.

  102. David still has a lot of young fans that do not like Melinda. They tend to be kind of brutal on twitter. She should have known that. I do wish that they would not send her negative tweets as that does not help the situation. David is just too nice and too talented to be in this situation.

  103. Uh-oh. I might just start feeling sorry for her again. :D

    Hahaha! Welllll, I don’t know if I would go that far ;)
    I just want them to stop tweeting her altogether. Good riddance to bad rubbish, as my grandma always says.

  104. David is a poor fit for a mainstream record label. He might work better on a smaller label like Decca, with producers who have done well with people like Groban and Buble. David Archuleta isn’t an MTV/Top 40 type act. He’s not pop. He may think he is or want to be, but he’s not. Hopefully if he’s been dropped by Jive, this is a chance for him to take stock of his talents and where they are best utilized.

    And yeah, the Archie fans need to get a grip. Some of their tweets are really hypocritical considering all the things they claim to admire David for.

  105. I definitely agree that the comments that people are tweeting her are not acceptable. They think they are doing this in the name of David but David would not approve of it.

    Well if y’all have been dealing with stuff like this then I understand. I had been inclined to give them a break because I knew they came on to his project late, but this lady has been just extra today. The “not knowing a good thing” comment was borderline but this is just stupid. What a boob. SMH.

    So any word on whether this info is accurate?

    The only word we have had about David parting ways with Jive is from Melinda’s tweet. She is confusing because she replied to someone that they had plans to go into the studio with David. That doesn’t mesh with her saying that he is getting dropped.

  106. Aww. I’ve been a David fan for 3 years now. All I want is to see him tour again :) I guess this stinks but it might just be for the best ;)

  107. I am a casual fan of David A and I don’t understand what happened with this last album. It seemed as though he was everywhere over the past many months – every time I came here he was at one event or another, radio stations, etc., and it seemed like his PR was great.

    BUT – he didn’t sell albums and didn’t get radio play. Is it Jive’s fault? His management’s? Or was his music just not accepted?

    I will admit I like his Christmas music better than most of his other music, but I still like his other music.

    Pondering, and don’t understand……

  108. And yeah, the Archie fans need to get a grip. Some of their tweets are really hypocritical considering all the things they claim to admire David for.

    Please don’t generalize. David has many young fans that let their emotions get away from them and the “adult professional” Melinda fuels the fires. Others have been asking them to stop and it has cooled down. Just waiting for official news.

    I love The Other Side of Down and the majority of the reviews were very good, better than for the debut album. Jive has not been involved in the promotion of his songs, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re asking the radio stations not to play them like Ciara said they did to her.

  109. I am a casual fan of David A and I don’t understand what happened with this last album. It seemed as though he was everywhere over the past many months – every time I came here he was at one event or another, radio stations, etc., and it seemed like his PR was great.

    Inside of the idol bubble, it might seem like David was everywhere, but he wasn’t. The lack of a strong second single meant that he didn’t get the chance to expose himself to those outside of the idol universe, and for the most part, he was out of the mainstream after Crush peaked. David’s lack of name recognition was going to make it very hard for Jive to get stations to play his songs. I won’t even go into how the songs didn’t match his voice, or how it seemed like there was a disconnect between his vocals and the instrumentation, or how the instrumentation just seemed to be added on in an attempt to ensure that they got CHR airplay.

  110. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re asking the radio stations not to play them like Ciara said they did to her.

    I’m sorry, but this just seems pretty out of wack. What “for profit” company would sabotage one of their products. They are in the business to make money and to do anything to deliberately undermine their own business is slightly absurd.

    David didn’t get played because the station managers didn’t think his songs could bring in the advertising dollars. End of that thar story.

  111. I’m sorry, but this just seems pretty out of wack. What “for profit” company would sabotage one of their products.

    I agree 100% percent with you, completely out of wack. But according to Ciara that’s exactly what Jive was doing to her and if that’s true why would it stop them from doing it to David when they became at odds when he didn’t want to become beiberized. Just speculating.

  112. I don’t follow David at all, but he has always come across in interviews, imo, as someone who isn’t comfortable in his own skin. And it is difficult to watch. He needs to take some time off and decide who he really wants to be as an artist and what he is comfortable with. I think Idol put a lot of pressure on him to become the next teen star. Whether it is AC (like Grobin) or contemporary Christian, or whatever; David needs to figure out who he is.

  113. I’ve been a big fans of David’s since the beginning. Not pleasant to see all this go down, but I’m not surprised. I’ll keep hoping for the best.

  114. As one who has been monitoring Jive’s artist page for the last month, I can say that they ususally make their changes to the site on the weekend. I think Allison was removed on a Friday but lately it has been on Saturday. So far they removed six artists from their artist page and added four new ones in the last month.

  115. David didn’t get played because the station managers didn’t think his songs could bring in the advertising dollars. End of that thar story.

    I don’t agree with that. I think there is a lot more that goes into getting a song played on the radio than what station managers think of it.

  116. Jive worked with David on 3 albums…even giving him the opportunity to spread his songwriting wings on the third album. If they were unhappy with David they could have dropped him well before they spent money on his third album.

    Also, did Ciara, provide proof of her allegations?

  117. I think there is a lot more that goes into getting a song played on the radio than what station managers think of it.

    Agree

  118. Tess:
    02/17/2011 at 6:56 pm
    David is nothing more than a nice kid who didn’t meet up with the financial expectations of his record label. Nothing sinister or underhanded in that.

    I agree, I don’t think it’s anything sinister and underhanded. I think it’s JIVE cutting it loses, just like they did with Allison. For them to keep you, you either have to be selling here in the States or Internationally, hopefully both. I am not surprised it happened, just surprised it happened this quickly. What I don’t understand is how they stood by and watched him make this sophomore album and didn’t realize how bland it was and that it wouldn’t sell. Makes you wonder if anyone at JIVE is paying attention to what their artist are recording.

  119. Don’t know if David is still with Jive or not. I don’t take Melinda’s confusing tweet as confirmation. If it is true, hopefully David will sign with a label who is willing to invest in him and his albums.

  120. David did say at first that the song “Elevator” was about not knowing what management to sign with. I think they must have told him not to say that because I did not hear him say that again. I wonder now who the other management companies were that wanted to sign him. I never did like that song much.lol

  121. I think it’s JIVE cutting it loses, just like they did with Allison.

    There isn’t any comparison here IMO. David has made the Forbes top ten earner’s list since AI. Selling out most venues he performs at.

    He is doing pretty good internationally . They treat him like royalty there and his songs are charting in Asia since the release of his album, charting for weeks. So I don’t agree.

    I do agree that music is a matter of taste and for me and David’s fans and most non fans I’ve introduced his latest music too don’t think it’s bland by any means and neither did most of the critics.

  122. Is it possible Melinda just learned about Jive? Because if she tweeted about going back in the studio with him then obviously at that point he was still with WEG. I’m guessing a lot of stuff went down this week.

    FWIW I agree she’s wrong to drop news like this, but I also think Jive removing artists from their site with no comments or parting words is pretty crappy too.

    Eta: am I the only one NOT confused by her tweet? I took the “other way around” comment to mean Jive is ‘leaving’ David, not David leaving Jive and her ‘correct’ simply meant the gist of the question was right. YMMV.

  123. He is doing pretty good internationally . They treat him like royalty there and his songs are charting in Asia since the release of his album, charting for weeks. So I don’t agree.

    Which countries? I don’t follow david. Some asian countries are great for touring, but have next to nothing in single and album sales.

  124. Which countries?

    Thailand, Philipines, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Vietnam…

  125. David is so talented and so sweet and i wish things were going better for him. i love this kid but he’s giving me grey hair.

  126. ri: I agree with you. It is very hard being a David fan. I wish things were going better for him too.

  127. Trina:
    Eta: am I the only one NOT confused by her tweet? I took the “other way around” comment to mean Jive is ‘leaving’ David, not David leaving Jive and her ‘correct’ simply meant the gist of the question was right. YMMV.

    I thought the tweet was pretty clear too, my interpretation was the same as yours.

  128. David is so talented and so sweet and i wish things were going better for him. i love this kid but he’s giving me grey hair.

    LOl, i agree:)

  129. There isn’t any comparison here IMO. David has made the Forbes top ten earner’s list since AI. Selling out most venues he performs at.

    He is doing pretty good internationally . They treat him like royalty there and his songs are charting in Asia since the release of his album, charting for weeks. So I don’t agree.

    Jive doesn’t make any money off of David’s concerts, and it’s hard to believe that he’s drawing in a lot of people, since that didn’t translate to people buying the album.

  130. djafan:
    02/17/2011 at 8:06 pm
    Which countries?

    Thailand, Philipines, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Vietnam…

    Those countries are great to tour in, but you don’t get a lot of album sells that amount to much.

  131. Good for you, David! Never in a million years did I think he’d drop Mel this soon, but there was sooo much tension btwn her & fans from the beginning. She never got David, & was as rude & unprofessional as they come. Not to mention that she cared more about buying shoes and promoting Bieber than she did about her client’s career.

    Not surprised if he’s splitting with JIVE, but that was NOT Mel’s place to say…It IS JIVE’s fault for not promoting TOSOD. It’s a very solid & catchy CD, and everyone who actually hears it really likes it alot. Pshhh..with all the executives leaving, that label is in total turmoil right now. They have no idea what end is up. Who knows when they’ll be at the place where they can properly promote an artist again?

    Obviously, we have no idea where David’s headed next. But if he’s excited for his future, then there must be a reason, and so am I. And wherever his heart tells him to go, his fans will be with him every step of the way. Love ya, D!

  132. and it’s hard to believe that he’s drawing in a lot of people, since that didn’t translate to people buying the album.

    And that is very confusing. I’ve been to several of his concerts and they were sold out, jam packed, it happens everywhere he performs.

    He has close to 600,000 twitter followers, obviously not all album buying fans. I’m sure illegal downloading played a part, I get those offers on google alerts daily, for all his music. Casual fans didn’t even know he had a new album out. The stores don’t stock his CD. I call Target and Walmart weekly, nothing.

  133. Please don’t generalize. David has many young fans that let their emotions get away from them and the “adult professional” Melinda fuels the fires. Others have been asking them to stop and it has cooled down. Just waiting for official news.

    It wasn’t generalizing. The people harassing Melinda were Archie fans. Were all of them harassing her? No, but that’s not what I said anyway. And I didn’t see Melinda “fueling the fire.” People asked her a question and she answered it. Not liking the answer or believing she shouldn’t have said it does not make it ok to act like little s***heads online.

    And that is very confusing. I’ve been to several of his concerts and they were sold out, jam packed, it happens everywhere he performs.

    It’s not hard to pack ’em in when you tour small (under 5,000 seat) facilities. He’s famous now for being on American Idol moreso than for any radio hits (hasn’t had one since Crush), so his name is probably still worth a thousand or two thousand tickets. Mall appearances that are free are also easy to pack in if you have some name recognition. He didn’t do a tour for his most recent album so it’s hard to say what his real drawing power is right now. Overall, his audience is loyal but limited, which is why he’s in the predicament he’s in. This is a blessing in disguise. He can go find himself, retool, and hopefully find a good fit with a label.

    He seems pretty popular on some level overseas. Maybe he should focus on that part of the world for awhile?

  134. Although change is scary, I feel good about the split with weg/Melinda. I’m generally not easily irritated but the woman was driving me bonkers. She needs to stay off twitter. I never got the feeling that was a great fit. Hope he finds a direction that he’s comfortable with, and if he’s proceeding now with a new team I hope he finds someone who can promote his considerable strengths.

    As for the question about where his music is better received, right off hand I’d say the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia. I think there are others but those countries are very supportive. He was on some Korean top 200 for 2010 chart, although I’d have no idea about numbers required for that.

  135. Adding that fans have a history with Melinda and her tweets. I’d never insult her via twitter nor recommend anyone else doing so, but in the past her behavior on Twitter has been unprofessional. Her blabbing today is also unprofessional.

  136. As for the question about where his music is better received, right off hand I’d say the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia. I think there are others but those countries are very supportive. He was on some Korean top 200 for 2010 chart, although I’d have no idea about numbers required for that.

    I wonder if they are supporting his music, or just like him because he was on AI. AI alums get played a lot in the countries that were mentioned, but they usually don’t sell a lot of records in those places, and their popularity tends to have more to do with the show. I think Niall makes a good point that David’s AI popularity would explain why some of his concert stops did well, and why he has 600,000 twitter followers, but people aren’t buying his album.

  137. Is it possible Melinda just learned about Jive? Because if she tweeted about going back in the studio with him then obviously at that point he was still with WEG. I’m guessing a lot of stuff went down this week.

    No, she just tweeted about going back in the studio with David. She tweeted about it at the same time she tweeted about David and Jive. Someone asked what about tour and what about David going back in the studio and she replied that they had all that in the works.

  138. Melinda is terribly unprofessional and I am sure there are many fans, me included, who will do a happy dance over him leaving her. JIVE hasn’t ever done that much for David either.

    I look forward to whatever David chooses to do.

  139. as far as I know, Archie plays smallish venues when he tours in the US as a headliner. So even if he draws well, aren’t we talking like 500-1500 people or so? I think all his bigger gigs have been when he opened for and/or toured with the Disney people

    I could be wrong about this, since I don’t follow him closely, but this has always been my impression

  140. I actually liked Melinda and WEG but she was very wrong to go on twitter and say the things she said today. It was very unprofessional and she is obviously not happy. No one is sure about what is going on with JIVE at this point. I kind of think WEG might be hurting because they do not have the artists signed to them that they used to. I think they only big names they have signed are JT and Nick Jonas and JT is not making music.

  141. This is a business of what have you done lately. Just because David has had success in the past doesn’t mean he will continue to do so. If he sold around 24k albums that a huge loss for Jive. Things happen for a reason, and I think David will find the right fit for him going forward.

  142. David has not sold around 24k albums. That is what he sold the first week. The last amount we had was 64K. That was, I think, before Christmas or around Christmas. Do not know what his total is now. I think Jive bears some responsibility for that total. I know the album wasn’t cheap to make but it certainly didn’t cost as much as many other albums do. And it doesn’t look like to me that Jive spent that much on the marketing and promotion of it. I certainly don’t like the idea of David getting dropped but its not like he is the only artist who has ever gotten dropped. Many of whom have gone on and been very successful at other labels. If it is true, I am glad that he is not on Jive anymore because I have been dissatisfied with them since Crush peaked.

  143. girlygirl – The last tour he had as a headliner was for his Christmas album. Venue size varied but ranged anywhere from around 800 up to around 3000. That’s just remembering off the top of my head. Most of the venues averaged around 2000ish though. I think there was just one smaller venue that was an 800 seater — Colorado, I believe.

    David is known for being a great live singer — at least among those who know him. So perhaps that accounts for some of the difference in concert draw versus sales for the last album. Although it’s hard to say for sure since he has not had a chance to tour for this last album yet.

  144. I hope Melinda’s completely unprofessional behavior comes to the attention of other WEG clients. They need to know what their management team is like.

  145. Ciara is right. Some of you people sound naive about the business if you don’t know how often the decision is made to suppress or build up someone artificially.

    The decision was made to squelch David’s access to any radioplay after “Crush” was a hit, no matter how popular he was at the time nor how many request lines overflowed for him.

    That’s why most radio stations’ request lines are now either automated (and not listened to) or the person is just a phone sitter who plays what they’re told, regardless of the requests which pour in.

    And if you can’t get airplay when you’re as new as Archuleta, it’s a career killer.

    They didn’t like him. Yes, David he sings great, had a huge fan base, and is very professional. But if the few people who run the industry cannot easily categorize you (and most of the real talents are, almost by definition, hardest to categorize) then they don’t want to deal with you. And if you’re a cute kid who doesn’t need Autotune, you’re harder to “control” than a kid who does.

  146. Eta: am I the only one NOT confused by her tweet? I took the “other way around” comment to mean Jive is ‘leaving’ David, not David leaving Jive and her ‘correct’ simply meant the gist of the question was right. YMMV.

    I agree it is not confusing, but I would like to hear some official word from Archie or the label concerning who left whom and why, and if Archie has something else lined up.

    I can take some guesses on my own but I’d rather have something confirmed.

  147. The decision was made to squelch David’s access to any radioplay after “Crush” was a hit, no matter how popular he was at the time nor how many request lines overflowed for him.

    You are right that requesting has very little to do with what the djs play, but how do you know that David was popular? His album numbers had a sharp decline after Christmas of 2008, it was pretty clear that he had exhausted his AI fanbase, which was relatively big, but that he had not caught on with people outside of the bubble. This wouldn’t have been a big problem, if he had released a strong follow-up to Crush, that would have capitalized off of that song’s success, and could have kept the album selling.

    Labels can try all they want, but PDs don’t have to play songs if they don’t want to. There was nothing that indicated that there was a great demand for people wanting to hear Archie. I know that in the bubble it might have looked like there was, but the decline in album sales tells the true story.

  148. Long time lurker, rare poster, Archie supporter but not heavily involved in the fanbase. That being said, I have to say that I’ve been somewhat disturbed by all the Melinda/WEG stuff. WEG/Melinda came onto the scene at a huge disadvantage. David had been without management for quite some time, and they were put into place roughly two weeks before his album dropped. But the fanbase seemed pretty excited about the new management and appeared to have confidence in their abilities. With that timeframe to work with, I have to imagine it would have been difficult to secure any promo for his new album.

    The fanbase came down incredibly hard on Melinda on her twitter very quickly. I saw relentless spamming inquiring about where the promo was, badgering about everything that wasn’t happening for David, and an endless stream of fans trying to tell them how to do their job and what they SHOULD be doing. I can’t imagine how frustrating that must have been for Melinda but I can tell you that I certainly wouldn’t be thrilled with legions of people telling me how to do my job, especially without any behind-the-scenes information. It would be even more frustrating if the things that I was consistently being accused of not doing were not even my responsibility, but the label’s. I can’t say I blame her in the least for calling out some of the fans for overzealousness, but that apparently didn’t sit well with the fanbase.

    Then the hypocrisy started. She was berated for not being more “David-like” while the majority of the fan base treated her in an extremely un-David-like fashion. I have to admit that I was actually a little pleased to see a manager who actually appeared to show some toughness. The music biz is certainly not a place to be a wallflower, and in my opinion given David’s non-aggressive personality I was anxious to see someone actually go to bat for David.

    I think that Jive offered no support for David’s last album and WEG/Melinda unjustly bared the brunt of the fans frustrations. It was not managements job to stock the shelves with his cd, it was not managements job to secure airplay and it was not managements job to promote the singles.

    I think that some of the fan base’s response to Melinda today was atrocious. Tweets telling her to go die? I realize that I’m in the minority, but I did not take her tweet about David not recognizing a good thing as anything more than a good natured joke (she even punctuated it with a :-) ) The fans blasted her for being unprofessional and called sour grapes. Unprofessional would have been to air all the details of the relationship breakdown, whatever those may be. Instead she wished him luck in his future endeavors and praised his talent. They also criticized her for making the announcement on twitter. Another example of hypocrisy. The fan base hounded her twitter constantly begging for news, any news, and yet berate her when she gives it to them. They plied her with questions about his position with his label, but then yelled foul when she tried to oblige. Perhaps you should have refrained from asking the questions on twitter if you thought that it was inappropriate to receive an answer on twitter.

    At this point, what’s done is done. David and his management have parted ways. I would have to guess that it was creative differences that led to the split. I think that WEG could have propelled his career, just perhaps not in a direction David was comfortable with. Melinda’s praise of Scooter Braun and his “successes” with Bieber could have been indicative of the path she planned on taking David down, which has never seemed to be the direction David wished to go in.

    Looking forward I hope that David finds management (and a label if that is the case) that is prepared to support his vision of his career. David is an immensely talented young man and I look forward to him discovering where his place is in the music industry and letting that voice of his shine.

  149. Of course David’s numbers declined. Crush peaked before the album came out. It was clear to even me that the song was peaking but Jive did nothing. They weren’t prepared. Touch My Hand was going to be the single and then they changed to ALTNOY. They didn’t send that single for adds, I think, until January. For whatever reason it did not do well. How was David suppose to sustain album sales based on one single? Most pop artists have to have continued successful singles on the radio to sell albums. Why is David any different? And PDs should have an indication that people wanted to hear David because Crush’s sales were bigger than its radio play indicated. And who had more say as to what songs got released as singles? Who had more say as to who worked with David on his album and what songs made the album? I would imagine that would be Jive. David is not some established artist with clout.

  150. Is it really so hard to believe stuff happens and it just didn’t work out for David? If Jive didn’t want him to succeed they would have dropped him before album #2. Instead they let him make the album he wanted to make and it flopped. And when that happens, especially in this day and age, you get dropped.

    He was well liked by most who knew of him but his cd buying, invested fanbase was not that big. He had a bump early on from AI but never sustained it. He remained a second or third tier teen boy star, never coming close to the fanbase the Jonas brothers had or Bieber currently has.

    I hope he takes some time to explore the world, grow up, maybe date the girl or guy of his choice, and eventually comes back a whole and complex person instead of the man-child he’s been.

    Diana DeGarmo also struggled to find her footing post AI. She took some time to grow up and find herself. She’s not a huge recording star but she’s found her niche and seems pretty darn happy. It all seems to work out in the end.

  151. Is it hard to believe that Jive made mistakes when it came to David’s career? Made mistakes as to what singles were released. Didn’t invest enough money promoting his albums. That they share some responsibility as to how his albums have sold?

  152. Crush’s sales were bigger than its radio play indicated.

    Mainly because David was on AI, and had opening week sales numbers that were well over 100,000 units sold. That’s the issue that AI alums have to deal with, they have to show that the demand is for their music, and not just people supporting them because they were on a reality show. Of course David’s album sales decreased dramatically after Christmas, that happens with most AI alums, so what evidence would PDs have that there was this big demand for David’s music?

    Is it hard to believe that Jive made mistakes when it came to David’s career? Made mistakes as to what singles were released. Didn’t invest enough money promoting his albums. That they share some responsibility as to how his albums have sold?

    They made mistakes, but that’s not the same as purposefully sabotaging someone’s career. There is no reason to believe that Jive told PDs not to play Archie’s songs, or that after they saw how successful Crush was, that they did not want to release an equally successful song.

  153. David has spent the better part of this last year involved, promoting, and entertaining for the numerous charities he is involved with or lent his name to. This is a mark of a young man who takes his social obligations seriously and he has done a great job. But this personal direction has grossly interferred with his and his management and label staff’s ability to properly promote him as the pop singer he has ostensibly wanted to become.

    Other than his “charity” gigs and a few “high brow” performance gigs he has been pretty absent from the touring scene in 2010 and so far in 2011. He hasn’t put a traveling band together and hasn’t even attempted to do the radio press tour that he did for his first album. He has been absent from all of the recording industry events, hasn’t walked any red carpets, hasn’t been a presenter, doesn’t show up at events promoting his contempories, etc.

    He doesn’t seem to fit in with what should be his professional peer group…he spends a lot of time promoting his religion and its lifestyle…all things that are unusual for a secular “pop” singer whose fan group should be made up of girls with crushes and guys wanting to be him…but they can’t easily identify with his choices.

    David is an anomoly in the recording world…and because of that he hasn’t been able to keep intact that fan base that he acquired on AI, many unfamiliar with the life choices that David chose to follow. As a result David has stumbled, and stumbled hard. Will he recover…probably when he grows into the man he wants to be and finds an audience that will support and identify with that man and his decisions.

  154. Is it hard to believe that Jive made mistakes when it came to David’s career?

    It’s a nice, simple answer to lay it at the feet of the label. When you’ve got an artist who limits how he’ll be promoted, what he’ll sing about, and what he’ll do, it’s hard not to understand that Jive may have felt between a rock and a hard place. His biggest success was with “Crush.” If they had pushed him to record another album with similar songs, he might have had better luck. Instead they gave him rope and he hung himself (and them) with it. Jive took a bath on this cd, the cd David Archuleta wanted.

    Maybe if they had been working with an artist who had a functioning management team they could partner with, some of the issues wouldn’t have been there in the first place? David seems to want to be in the entertainment industry but wants to go by his own rules and whims. That’s fine but things like this are going to happen.

  155. Muppetgal, while I agree with you that some fans were atrocious, I think the difference is that in a lot of cases, the offending fans were kids. She’s a professional manager. She should stay off twitter or at least ignore/explain. And if she is not employed by David she should not divulge his career news.

  156. No album makes it without support from the record label. This says more about Jive’s decline and possibly going bankrupt than anything about David. They have not been able to support most of their artists this past year and a half….the economy to blame!
    So, this has nothing to do with something David is doing wrong. It’s all about survival right now for record labels, and they are all about to go under. Time’s are a changing. David will be fine. And, it sounds like a relief for him to be dropped if that’s what is happening.

  157. No, it was not mainly because of its opening week sales. It continued to have consistent sales. And its consistent sales proved that it was not sales from AI fans. Now the sales could be because Crush was featured prominently in a commercial for a tv show on ABC Family. As well as it was used in a commercial for a movie. But it was obvious that when people heard the song they bought it. And there are many reasons why PDS play songs on the radio. It should have been obvious there was a demand because of the sales of the song. And there have been instances where songs have not nearly sold as much as they should have based on their radio airplay. So obviously lots of factors go into why songs get played on the radio.

  158. They made a huge mistake letting him write that second album.
    That they share some responsibility as to how his albums have sold? It’s a nice, simple answer to lay it at the feet of the label. When you’ve got an artist who limits how he’ll be promoted, what he’ll sing about, and what he’ll do, it’s hard not to understand that Jive may have felt between a rock and a hard place.

    This has happened with every Idol star. Most of them have been encouraged to co-write with producers. Kelly Clarkson’s second album…Jennifer Hudson…Fantasia…many more. This is not just a David thing.
    I love that they let him do his own album. I hated that they wanted to mold him their way.
    The fact that David explored some different genres is wonderful. Many of you are looking at the glass half empty kind of reasoning, rather than the glass half full.
    Too many artists just sing what they’re told to sing, do what they’re told to do and look what we have….a mess of top 40 songs played on the radio which show no talent whatsoever.
    I love that David is being bold and singing songs that “many in America” today prefer to listen to….songs about substance, and hope rather than songs about doom and gloom and relationships that don’t exist fantasy type images in their videos. It’s disgusting to me and many today.
    He is breaking out from the norm and we need MORE of this if we are going to get a change from the dreaded music and pop culture of today.
    Go… Go …. David!! I’m excited by his news!

  159. They made mistakes, but that’s not the same as purposefully sabotaging someone’s career. There is no reason to believe that Jive told PDs not to play Archie’s songs, or that after they saw how successful Crush was, that they did not want to release an equally successful song.

    I’ve never said that they purposefully sabotaged David. I’m saying that David’s sales don’t all fall on him. I don’t think its because people weren’t interested in him and that Jive did everything right. That David sold what he did because he is some awkward kid that is hard to manage. The choices that Jive made have impacted how well David’s albums have done.

  160. And…another thing…David doesn’t even fit with the Jive mold. He is far above this type of record label. He is all over the place in regards to talent and being involved with charity and doing things of substance. He will need a very sophisticated record label to match with his talent, his grace, his maturity, and his amazing abilities.
    He is just been a step above Jive from the get go. They cater to pop singers out for glamour, glory to self. Not David. There are so many well established artists who are similar to David and do not get played on “pop radio” all day long. AS a matter of fact, most “pop radio” stations are not even in the top 3 of their areas top radio channels played. It’s not so popular as many here would like to believe. There are far more popular radio genre out there. R&B, Urban, hispanic, and country, and even contemporary usually plug higher than pop stations.

  161. I love that David is being bold and singing songs that “many in America” today prefer to listen to….songs about substance, and hope rather than songs about doom and gloom and relationships that don’t exist fantasy type images in their videos. It’s disgusting to me and many today.

    I understand this sentiment but the reality is that David’s sales declined from 750 thousand to 75 thousand from 1st album to second. That says, to me, that either there is something about David himself or the album itself that turned almost 700 thousand purchasers off. And since his Christmas album has done well I would put a lot of the blame for album 2 on the fact that it wasn’t very good.

  162. The fanbase came down incredibly hard on Melinda on her twitter very quickly. I saw relentless spamming inquiring about where the promo was, badgering about everything that wasn’t happening for David, and an endless stream of fans trying to tell them how to do their job and what they SHOULD be doing.

    David’s past management never went to twitter to tell all, MelindaWEG did. Since you have not followed her, you would not know that she started even before signing with him, taunting fans with twits about the possibility of working with David. She called them out. And…she also expressed opinions about cellcasts and sharing videos of David’s performances which were very confusing. Everything she has shared has been, in my opinion, not professional, and not neccesary with regards to fans.
    Why should she be the one to announce possible end with Jive? That is very wrong to speak for him or his label.

  163. I understand this sentiment but the reality is that David’s sales declined from 750 thousand to 75 thousand from 1st album to second. That says, to me, that either there is something about David himself or the album itself that turned almost 700 thousand purchasers off. And since his Christmas album has done well I would put a lot of the blame for album 2 on the fact that it wasn’t very good.

    I disagree 100%. Have you looked at any sales on the charts? The top sales this week were not much higher than David’s first week.
    It’s the times. And…no promotion whatsoever! There were enough good songs on his album to promote. I’ve heard enough songs that are hits today to know they are not better. It’s all about promotion. The first single could have done well. The second single could have done great! No promoting whatsoever. Jive is broke!

  164. Yes Stan, times are tough at Jive.. Times are tough at ALL the labels. So unless David figures out who he is and is able/willing to mesh that with a mainstream label, nothing will change for him even if he gets signed elsewhere.

    Acts are still breaking and there are still CDs that sell. But if you don’t appear to be a sure bet, the label is (smartly) going to hesitate about going all in. David Archuleta isn’t a sure bet. It’s show business not show friendship.

  165. Labels can try all they want, but PDs don’t have to play songs if they don’t want to. There was nothing that indicated that there was a great demand for people wanting to hear Archie. I know that in the bubble it might have looked like there was, but the decline in album sales tells the true story.

    David’s album did not have decline in sales any different than any other artist. Actually, being 17-18 has more to do with it than anything else. Radio stations, until recently with Justin Bieber, would not play any young artists music, even Miley. Why? They play to females aged 21-35. And females between those ages don’t want to hear males younger than them singing on the radio.
    The curve is changing…I think, with Justin, he is being promoted by a black, famous artist and that has been his biggest help. Usher is famous,and when he signed with JB, that is what elevated him so quickly, I believe. If he hadn’t had Usher and his label who is also big behind him, he would not have had success, I believe.

  166. I wonder if they are supporting his music, or just like him because he was on AI. AI alums get played a lot in the countries that were mentioned, but they usually don’t sell a lot of records in those places, and their popularity tends to have more to do with the show

    Well that about explains every AI artist. Who, in AI history has broken out of the bubble? They all have their fans from the show, and 99% of them have ever had more than “one” hit as of yet. I think the real world realizes they are all amateurs and it’s going to take time.
    David is doing no different than any of the winners to top 5 who have had first singles. They all have declined after their first single. It’s taken time for any of the most successful to get anywhere. Alot of hard work and talent and on their own figuring out where to go next. He’s no different in his path.
    He’s doing better than most!

  167. Radio stations, until recently with Justin Bieber, would not play any young artists music, even Miley. Why? They play to females aged 21-35. And females between those ages don’t want to hear males younger than them singing on the radio.

    Do you have any stats on this?? I mean, real stats.

    Oh and on this too?? I’m interested in radio stats. Thanks :)

    AS a matter of fact, most “pop radio” stations are not even in the top 3 of their areas top radio channels played. It’s not so popular as many here would like to believe. There are far more popular radio genre out there. R&B, Urban, hispanic, and country, and even contemporary usually plug higher than pop stations.

  168. Ciara said a few days ago, “I spent tens of thousands of my own money only to hear the radio PDs tell me my label didn’t want the song played”.

    And this is EXACTLY what Archuleta fans were told by the PDs immediately post-“Crush” and for two years. Fans were told “Oh, we can’t play that” by the radio stations, no matter how large the requests, for any other single after “Crush”.

    While a big hit overseas, and large fan support for him here, Archie couldn’t get airplay in America because his label didn’t want it. Everything else you hear is a lie.

    Is Jive really melting down from the inside? We can only hope.

  169. CindyM:
    02/17/2011 at 11:28 pm
    Where do you think he’ll go? I’m assuming you think he left Jive (if its true) rather than them dropping him??

    I can’t see another major label picking him pick right now. The people at any label can look at the big drop in sales from his first album to his second and figure out that he kid is having a hard time trying to sell his music. Industry people talk among one another and they will know that anyone dealing with Archie will have some problems to work around.

  170. While a big hit overseas, and large fan support for him here, Archie couldn’t get airplay in America because his label didn’t want it. Everything else you hear is a lie.

    Why would Jive want him to fail? I’m serious, what would be their reasoning to want him to fail after Crush, yet give him the chance to make a Christmas album (which he wanted to do) and give him another solo album for which they let him write/co-write all the tracks (which he wanted to do)? Why would they have tried to push Something ‘Bout Love to radio, made a video for it, etc.??

  171. David’s past management never went to twitter to tell all, MelindaWEG did. Since you have not followed her, you would not know that she started even before signing with him, taunting fans with twits about the possibility of working with David. She called them out. And…she also expressed opinions about cellcasts and sharing videos of David’s performances which were very confusing. Everything she has shared has been, in my opinion, not professional, and not neccesary with regards to fans.
    Why should she be the one to announce possible end with Jive? That is very wrong to speak for him or his label.

    You are right, David’s past management did not communicate directly with his fans but Melinda did. I guess my point was that the fans seemed to want it both ways, and that is not fair imo. The fans were all appreciative when Melinda was first tweeting them, and welcomed the chance to communicate with someone on David’s team. All of them rushed to follow her and relished in her tidbits of information she was able to share. They routinely looked to confirm rumors with her, to which she complied when able. No one seemed to complain about that and yet when it was information that they did not want to hear, suddenly she was unprofessional? They seemed content to have an outlet to vent all their frustrations to when David was not achieving the sales and recognition he deserved, or to pass on information regarding stocking issues and illegal downloading sites, but didn’t appreciate it when they were told things they didn’t want to hear.

    With respect to the cellcast issue, I realize it created quite the stir with the fan base, however I do not think it was the huge Armageddon that the fan base made it out to be. She never once said that she did not understand why fans did them, she merely stated that she was not able to support them. From a legal standpoint, they are a breach of David’s contract when performing, regardless of the quality, the number of fans that still attend and travel to attend shows or that are physically unable to attend. As a manager, she could not possibly go on record as supporting them. That does not mean that she had any intentions of acting like a Gestapo and hunting the web to shut them down like the fans seemed to think. She was hired to act in the best interest of her client and to do so she simply could not condone and encourage actions that could possibly have negative consequences.

    Lastly, with respect to the Jive announcement, I again say that the fans seemed to want it both ways. Fans were repeatedly asking for information as to whether the split was with WEG only or if there was a split with the label as well. When she attempted to appease, she was again labeled unprofessional. Why ask a question of someone if you think it’s inappropriate to get an answer from them?

    I’ve seen both styles of management used, management that is invisible and those that attempt to include the fans in an attempt to increase excitement and buzz. In these times of social media a lot of management teams are going more hands on with the fan bases. I see it as a changing of the times and not as unprofessional.

  172. Lol that while the blogosphere is angsting and analyzing, David tweets that he’s watching idol and remembering the pressures. Love that kid!

  173. Well, David is still listed as an artist at JiveRecords.com

    I loved David’s album The Other Side of Down.

  174. Stan:
    02/17/2011 at 11:59 pm
    Here we go again…problems with David. What problems do you have information on?

    I still think that if Jive drops David, it may have been a mutual decision. That, they both know that he may be better served elsewhere. I truly feel that there are “good” feelings with them in regards to David.

    The problems are: (1) fanbase has shrunk a lot since first album and label would have to figure out how and who to market him to (2) teens are not buying his type of music (3) he won’t do certain promotion and events because of conservative religious beliefs.

    As for whether he was dropped, it sounded that way from that tweet by his ex-manager.

  175. Ok, this is just a thought of mine, but could there be some kind of contract between label and AI that only winners of Idol get dominance? I mean, the show’s success thrives on the success of the winner, and we all know that they spend cabillions promoting the winner singles over the others of that year.
    I’ve always felt that that may be just the perks of being the winner. An example is Jordin Sparks singles, and David Cook’s, and even Kris Allen’s. They all have had a large promotion for making their singles a success. And I don’t disagree with that. It’s the way it should be and works best for the business to be successful. Since AI is obligated to the million dollars in promotion, they have an investment in making them successful financially. And since they can’t afford to put any more money in the rest, the “rest” are really on their own.
    That is why the no promo on Crush maybe? I’m just thinking also, that Jive realized that David was not going to do the “teen pop star” route and they, being a pop star kind of label realized they just needed to get through the two years the best they could and then part ways, for the best of both parties. And vice versa with David.
    Sometime the over promoting kind of backfires with runner ups as we’ve witnessed in recent seasons.

  176. Backtrack? Melinda tweets by way of reply………

    “@snhitchcock I don’t think he is quitting. We are just not going to manage him. He has a long career ahead of him. Wish him the best”

  177. That’s obviously not true in the video I saw. He was hovering in the background and appeared to follow everywhere Archie goes. Unless Archie is the kind of person who still needs a chaperone at his age, why on earth is his father tagging along?

    His mom has tagged along, his sisters, his aunt, his grandparents. His father is one of many in his family who occasionaly are invited to go along with David.

    He actually is much more independent than most younger artists who still go around or are partly managed by their parents.

  178. LOL I’m not even gonna touch some of the comments here. I mean, I’m a HUGE fan of David’s but I don’t think there was some vast conspiracy to subvert his success. I think there were a variety of things that led us to today. I do aim a steely eye at Jive but that’s no surprise to anyone on this blog. Jive is notoriously cheap with promoting their artists. Well, unless your name is Britney or Justin.

    I will say that my best guess about the split with Jive (if it’s true, and I suspect that it is but don’t know that for sure) is that it was probably a mutual decision.

    It has long been rumored among the fanbase that David’s contract with Jive was for 3 albums. We don’t have strict confirmation of that but it came from “reliable sources”, if you may.
    And David delivered 3 albums. Thus fulfilling his contract. I would say that when it came time to re-sign, both parties understood where things were headed.

    We all can see that David and Jive are obviously not working well together anymore. So why not move on? David made Jive a good deal of money. Jive helped start David’s career. And now it’s time for both to move on. The end.

  179. Stan:
    02/18/2011 at 12:20 am
    What do you have to prove that fanbase has shrunk? He has one of the largest twitter fanbase of ALL AI contestants. And it has consistently grown. What promotion and events have you seen him NOT do because of “conservative religious” beliefs?

    I think it already been proven his fanbase has shrunk. His album has been out since October and I am pretty sure that his fanbase know by now that he has a new album. Either they listened to it and thought it wasn’t good and didn’t buy or they have moved on and don’t care any more. Sure he has a lot of twitter followers, but that don’t mean anything. Look at Daughtry and Kelly, neither have a large number of twitter followers, but have sold multi-millions of albums.

    As for comparison to Beiber, he’s not like Archie. Beiber knows his fanbase and sing songs they like. He even has a girlfriend and is lot more open and relatable to teens then David. You can be conservative or religious, and still jump around and have fun like Justine do. He’s playing up to the little girls that’s buying his records. He uses his looks, personality and songs to reel in his fanbase. Archie does none of that. He’s so squeaky clean he makes Donny Osmond look like a perv.

  180. RV65- That tweet was in reference to a question asking if David was going to quit the music business now. I don’t think she is referring to anything with Jive or WEG.

  181. Do you have any stats on this?? I mean, real stats.

    Oh and on this too?? I’m interested in radio stats. Thanks :)

    I actually talked to all three of the popular “pop” radio stations and urban and country stations here in Atlanta and that is exactly what they told me. And the pop stations told me that was true for the whole country, that they follow this age group and female listening audience nation wide.

    And I did find a chart on internet that showed the top listened to radio stations, and I can’t find it, but I have a source and it showed talk radio number one, urban stations next, hispanic next, contemporary next, pop and country tied, and then I don’t remember the other genres. I’ll keep looking for it, but I know this is true, because I spent alot of time researching this.

  182. I will say that my best guess about the split with Jive (if it’s true, and I suspect that it is but don’t know that for sure) is that it was probably a mutual decision.

    It has long been rumored among the fanbase that David’s contract with Jive was for 3 albums. We don’t have strict confirmation of that but it came from “reliable sources”, if you may.
    And David delivered 3 albums. Thus fulfilling his contract. I would say that when it came time to re-sign, both parties understood where things were headed.

    I can see it happening that way as well. If is true, whether it is a mutual decision or whether he was dropped, I will be glad that David is not with Jive anymore. Hopefully, David will find a label and management that is a right fit for him. I’m also waiting to see what future David is excited about.

  183. MJ, Why is my comment waiting in moderation?

    Not angry or defensive, I’m curious.

  184. I think it already been proven his fanbase has shrunk. His album has been out since October and I am pretty sure that his fanbase know by now that he has a new album. Either they listened to it and thought it wasn’t good and didn’t buy or they have moved on and don’t care any more. Sure he has a lot of twitter followers, but that don’t mean anything. Look at Daughtry and Kelly, neither have a large number of twitter followers, but have sold multi-millions of albums.

    As for comparison to Beiber, he’s not like Archie. Beiber knows his fanbase and sing songs they like. He even has a girlfriend and is lot more open and relatable to teens then David. You can be conservative or religious, and still jump around and have fun like Justine do. He’s playing up to the little girls that’s buying his records. He uses his looks, personality and songs to reel in his fanbase. Archie does none of that. He’s so squeaky clean he makes Donny Osmond look like a perv.

    What album has Daughtry and Kelly sold multi-millions of? I’m curious of the title?

    And I was refering to the comment that David won’t do certain promotions and events because of being conservative? What proof that he has turned down any events or promotions? That was my question.
    And I disagree with you that he’s so squeaky clean he makes Donny Osmond look like a perv? What songs has he sung that makes him seem so squeaky clean?

    What tells you that David doesn’t have fun? I was comparing the fact that someone said because he’s conservative he is hurting his career. That comparison of JB I used because they both can be defined that way. Just because JB flaunts himself does not make him more attractable to an audience. David chooses not to flaunt that, but you nor I know much about his personal life. Many artists today don’t share that, and JB happens to do that. Sign of maturity!
    I don’t see David as you do, and I happen to be pretty normal in my community of people, so I think it’s just your interpretation and mine being different than mine. Also, my standards are very similar to his and I think many more hold these standards than some want to believe. I was using JB as an example of that conservative standard.

  185. Ok, this is just a thought of mine, but could there be some kind of contract between label and AI that only winners of Idol get dominance? I mean, the show ’s success thrives on the success of the winner, and we all know that they spend cabillions promoting the winner singles over the others of that year.

    I really doubt that considering how Idol/RCA has gone out of their way to promote Adam and Chris.

    ETA: Kelly’ Breakaway sold about 6 million and Daughtry’s debut album sold over 5 million.

  186. We all can see that David and Jive are obviously not working well together anymore. So why not move on? David made Jive a good deal of money. Jive helped start David’s career. And now it’s time for both to move on. The end.

    I agree. I have only positive feelings about the latest news!

  187. Sorry MJ, didn’t realize how what I was saying was coming across.

  188. Radio stations, until recently with Justin Bieber, would not play any young artists music, even Miley.

    Yet, Party in the USA peaked at #2 on the pop charts, and The Climb peaked at #7. And of course, PDs didn’t have a problem playing Crush.

  189. Ciara said a few days ago, “I spent tens of thousands of my own money only to hear the radio PDs tell me my label didn’t want the song played”.

    And this is EXACTLY what Archuleta fans were told by the PDs immediately post-”Crush” and for two years. Fans were told “Oh, we can’t play that” by the radio stations, no matter how large the requests, for any other single after “Crush”.

    These don’t seem to be the same thing. In one case we have radio stations feeding over invested AI fans the same line that they’ve been using for years, and in the other, we have a singer who wants to push certain songs, while her label wants to back other songs. Ciara has has released at least three albums that haven’t done anything, but if Jive wanted her to fail, they never would have produced those albums, or hired big name talent to write or appear on the album.

  190. These don’t seem to be the same thing. In one case we have radio stations feeding over invested AI fans the same line that they’ve been using for years, and in the other, we have a singer who wants to push certain songs, while her label wants to back other songs.

    I agree. There’s no comparison here other than it happens to be the same label. Fans of Justin Guarini, Diana Degarmo, Bo Bice, Kat McPhee, etc, heard the exact same thing from radio djs and programmers. Fans of non-AIers whose favorite artist isn’t getting airplay hears the same thing. It is simply a way to blow off not playing the song. Assigning any other motive to it is a case of overinterpreting and/or being unaware of how stations and djs sometimes handle persistent, nosy fans.

  191. Wow. I hate when dirty laundry is aired in public. Unfortunate.

    In any event, I think that David is a remarkably talented, good-looking, charitable and likable young man. I’m not worried. Like all artists, he will endure and enjoy many ups and downs over the course of his career. And don’t forget, the public loves a good comeback story. Especially when the “Phoenix Rising from the Ashes” is as deserving as David Archuleta.

  192. I really hope David can find a way to turn things around. I’m a huge fan of his. He’s my favorite Idol contestant ever, and one of my favorite artists period. I have a favorite every Idol season, but he’s far-and-away the one I still follow the most. I love The Other Side of Down, and I love his first album. I met him briefly at a book signing last June, and it was an awesome moment for me. So I really hope something works out, because his talent is too much to waste!

  193. I’m not shocked at all about Jive dropping David or vice versa. After Crush, nothing really went right with the album promos or single releases. The juggling of the DA album and TOSOD singles were a disaster and in my opinion makes me think monkeys are running Jive. Since everyone (staff wise) seems to be leaving Jive in droves, I’m thinking this label is about to be bought out or there’s going to be a complete overhaul.

    David is an amazing talent and every time I’ve spoken to him he has been sweet and genuine. Good things will come to him in time and I look forward to that.

    It’s unfortunate that his ex-mgr opened up her twitter yap with regards to his potential “split” with Jive. When will people learn not to share such things over twitter? It came off as disrespectful to me.. what happens between Jive and David it’s between them to make the announcement.. not some ex-mgr to dish just after she gets the boot. I thought that was in poor taste, but I also don’t agree with those lame-o’s tweeting tantrums and junk to her.

    I hope David finds a good team that will work wonders for him.

  194. I agree. It was one thing for her to discuss the disolution of her/WEG’s relationship with David, and quite another thing for her to bring up David’s relationship with Jive. Lack of discresion comes to mind.

  195. It has long been rumored among the fanbase that David’s contract with Jive was for 3 albums. We don’t have strict confirmation of that but it came from “reliable sources”, if you may.

    Well I would say rumor. The contract leak form S8 stated that the contracts are only for one album with the label holding the option to produce subsequent albums. If the label does not pick-up the options the contract is terminated.

    If David did get dropped, it is most likely a business decision. Depending on if Jive considered his Christmas album his 2nd album, he would have received a $225K advance on it and $275 for TOSOD minimum. Jive is likely heavily in the red from his last album and rolling those remaining costs into another album might have proved too costly. David would be due an even higher advance on a 4th album. We have always heard that Jive was a very frugal label and they are very focused on their bottom line profitablility.

  196. JIVE just seems to be a dead-end street for pretty much everyone whose name isn’t Pink. I don’t think many of us are too shocked or broken up to hear that David’s no longer there. It’s something I’ve actually been praying for, lol. They wanted him to change his image because “sex sells”. Well, David knows darn well who he is, & that’s just not something he’d ever go for. I really admire him for that. No one should have to sell out or do something that compromises their values in order to make more $.

  197. The contract leak form S8 stated that the contracts are only for one album with the label holding the option to produce subsequent albums. If the label does not pick-up the options the contract is terminated.

    Do you recall when the artist could chose to be released from the label? The label may have the option to drop the artist, but how many albums does the label hold over the artist?

  198. Ciara said a few days ago, “I spent tens of thousands of my own money only to hear the radio PDs tell me my label didn’t want the song played”.

    And this is EXACTLY what Archuleta fans were told by the PDs immediately post-”Crush” and for two years. Fans were told “Oh, we can’t play that” by the radio stations, no matter how large the requests, for any other single after “Crush”.

    I’ve seen this sentiment posted several times. Why would a record label tell radio PDs not to play a song? Isn’t it the label who decides what song to release as a single? The record label makes money from a song becoming a hit. I can’t imagine why they would release a particular song as a single and then discourage radio PDs from playing it. It doesn’t make sense to me.

  199. Isn’t it the label who decides what song to release as a single?

    The label does but in Ciara’s case she was pitching a different song than the one the label had sent to radio.

  200. I did think that David was not going to stay with JIVE. You could see that they were going to part ways. I think JIVE is not in good shape and has some major issues going on of it’s own. JIVE did not want to spend any major money on David and they didn’t. David has a lot of young kids that follow him and they are not always nice on twitter. David tweets that he is watching AI with all this going on. He is really is a one of kind talent. I really hope things work out for him.

  201. I’ve seen this sentiment posted several times. Why would a record label tell radio PDs not to play a song? Isn’t it the label who decides what song to release as a single? The record label makes money from a song becoming a hit. I can’t imagine why they would release a particular song as a single and then discourage radio PDs from playing it. It doesn’t make sense to me.

    Maybe because there’s limited air time in this world and they would rather the stations played over and over and over another of the label’s artists that the label thinks will make more money for them over the long haul?

    Does seem stupid, but I can kind of imagine this scenario in real life, awful as it is …. Trying to sniff out where the most future benjamins lie is the business they’re in …

    I’m sorry that David’s struggling, but he’ll find his niche in life and music one day.

  202. tripp_ncwy – You may very well be right about there not being any 3 album contract; I honestly don’t know the details of his contract with Jive. I do know that there were plans for a second album (the Christmas album) mentioned as early as Dec 2008 so that had been planned out for some time. And while he probably did have a larger advance for that album, Jive also had a much larger profit margin for it given the fact that Christmas albums have such low production costs.

  203. The contract leak form S8 stated that the contracts are only for one album with the label holding the option to produce subsequent albums.

    Typically the label only has a set number of options, so it may be that Jive had the option for 3 albums.

  204. As some have mentioned, he really goes for the faith/charity/nice side of things. That’s nice and all, and may allow for a good career. But then, what happens when he finally comes out? I think most of that audience will not be happy. I don’t know if he can come back to the more pop side of things after neglecting it for so long either. So he is looking at a freight train and not getting out of the way.

  205. I guess that I’m not really too surprised about David’s split with WEG…just shocked about the timing of it. It’s only been what…less than six months since he signed on with them? I would of thought that he would have had to sign a contract for at least a year.

    Anyway, I knew that WEG was not a good fit for David. Just like I knew that Jive was not the best label for him either. As a big BSB fan when they started out, I saw how Jive was…they would treat the cash cow like royalty but as soon as another cash cow came along, they moved on and failed to properly promote the first artist. WEG, or rather Johny Wright, was the same way.

    I really think that TOSOD was…and is…a great album. It and David just lacked the proper promotion. I really hope that David finds a label and manager that will truly give him the time and promotion that he deserves. David is a phenominal talent and I really believe that he will be around and making music for a long time to come. He’s young and he’s had his ups and downs and he’s learned a lot from them. And he will pick himself up and keep going.

    I disagree with whoever said that David lost a lot of his fanbase…I think his fanbase is bigger and stronger than ever. And I don’t think that they (or we) are going anywhere…we’re along for the ride wherever and as long as David wants to take us.

  206. I disagree with whoever said that David lost a lot of his fanbase…I think his fanbase is bigger and stronger than ever.

    A fanbase that doesn’t purchase your music is not the kind of fanbase I would want to have.

  207. i’m not giving up on David… but man, what a huge waste of a huge talent.

  208. I think David may have lost a few fans — particularly some young girls who moved on to Bieber and don’t have time to obsess madly over more than one cute boy pop star (LOL) — but I also agree that he still has a strong, solid base. Some fans may not be online all the time, the way they were, but a surprising number are actually still checking for news daily. I’d say that is unusual for an Idol alum, but I don’t know. First time I got this invested.

    As far as sales, yes. His sales for the last album were not good. They were much better with the first, when he was fresh off Idol and the economy was better. A lot of factors should be considered. Plus, remember, if you are a young fan (and David still has a ton of young fans — I see the David vs. ??? war posts all the time on Twitter) and the economy is bad, your mom or dad may not be buying you iTunes cards. We buy them more rarely now and we aren’t affected as much as a lot of other people.

    My 17yo did a pretty exhaustive report about illegal downloading recently, and the majority of kids that age don’t even think about buying a physical album or purchasing downloads. It’s just not the way they think.

    I mean, if any of us can figure out how to boost any musician’s sales (other than the select few who get radio support and/or ARE still selling tons) then I’m sure a few labels and teams will want our names and numbers.

  209. A fanbase that doesn’t purchase your music is not the kind of fanbase I would want to have

    And fans, not the super hardcore, cant buy an album they dont know exists.

    My 17yo did a pretty exhaustive report about illegal downloading recently, and the majority of kids that age don’t even think about buying a physical album or purchasing downloads. It’s just not the way they think.

    See this is a good point too. I forever see tweets from the younger ones about “downloading” his music. Also a bazillion free mp3 downloads for his music in my google alerts.

    Heck not long after TOSOD came out, i saw some illegal cd downloads with like 10k views and stuff(i dont know how it translated to actual downloads), but the fact there were at least that many views on the download link alone… well…

  210. Then again, there’s the promotion problem. Why do I feel like I could’ve just found an old argument and cut and pasted, here?

    I guess the only thing I can add is that of course, David has my support, whatever he decides. I’m not often such a big fan of a person, and with David is is not only that voice but also who he is that keeps me invested. I find him and his music refreshingly different. The album may not be what is getting played on radio, but the songs can brighten my mood. *I* find them worth my time and I don’t need a bunch of other people to also value them. My opinion is good enough.

  211. Look, I like Archie a lot and I’m rooting for him to come out ahead..but no. Going from 800,000 albums to 60,000+ doesn’t show at all his fanbase is bigger and stronger than ever. His online following is huge but a STRONG fanbase buys product. And out of all those Facebook/Twitter peeps he has I don’t believe that many didn’t know he had a CD out. I follow him on FB and Twitter and just from there alone I knew he had an album coming out. I consider myself a more casual fan and I even bought it to support him. I get there’s a lot of illegal downloading, but ALL artists deal with that, even the big sellers.

  212. And fans, not the super hardcore, cant buy an album they dont know exists.

    This begs the question of how do we know that his fanbase is big, or that they don’t know that he has music out? Anyone who follows him on twitter or FB knows.

    He needed promo, that’s true, but I think there were a lot of signs that his base had not grown beyond the AI fans, and that many of the AI followers weren’t going to support the second album.

    Every artist has to deal with people illegally downloading their music. I’m sure that it is a issue for Justin Bieber, who has a very young base, but who has managed to sell three to four million albums in the US.

  213. A lot of his followers are also overseas. he has quite a bit of asian fans, especially on facebook.

    but i mean there were all sorts of things that just did not go right for cd #2(excluding xmas)
    ——

    yeah but look at bieber… he has TONS of followers but he is also literally EVERYWHERE.

  214. I’ve been a little afraid that kid’s going to show up in my kitchen or something. You look up, and there he is.

  215. Bieber is so popular right now that it is hard to compare his situation to anyone else. He does not have to worry about illegal downloading right now. I even think the Jonas Brothers are not as popular because of him.

  216. Some fans may not be online all the time, the way they were, but a surprising number are actually still checking for news daily.

    When 600,000 Twitter followers translates into maybe 60,000 albums sold — if only Twitter followers knew about the album, then 9 out of 10 are rooting for his career but not buying the actual product. I don’t question the sincerity of those 600,000 — but most of them are setting Archuleta up for a career as a celebrity rather than as a musician.

    ETA: I don’t buy into the model that Good Fans must buy every item put out there by a favorite artist… but an actual new album… I’d expect slightly higher interest.

  217. I didn’t know there was going to be math on this test. (LOL)

    Some of David’s 570K twitter followers are following because he’s a celebrity. Some are not US citizens (probably a large chunk there.) Some are the young fans who download illegally. I’m not sure why I keep trying to respond to this argument.

    He doesn’t need to sell at Bieber levels to make an income. In one of his earliest interviews during Idol, he said he would never want to be a superstar because the trade-offs are harsh. (See Cyrus, Miley, Spears, Britney, et al) How much does he need to sell to profit enough for himself and his label? I don’t know. I really don’t. I’m not sure why we’re stuck on this topic. If some want to believe he’s a bad investment now, believe it. Doesn’t hurt my feelings. Others think he’s talented enough to navigate his way to a long career. At this point, we don’t even know what HE wants.

    Good heavens, I need to get something done in my real world.

  218. but could there be some kind of contract between label and AI that only winners of Idol get dominance? I mean, the show’s success thrives on the success of the winner, and we all know that they spend cabillions promoting the winner singles over the others of that year.

    Idol winners don’t get dominance. Starting from Clay Aiken, through Chris Daughtry and Adam Lambert up to Crystal Bowersox, lower-place finishers can get promoted the hell out of them and gain better sales and popularity than winners.

    Who, in AI history has broken out of the bubble? They all have their fans from the show, and 99% of them have ever had more than “one” hit as of yet.

    Having fans from the show doesn’t mean an Idol hasn’t broken out of the Idol bubble. I think that having more than one hit is actually indicative of having broken out. I believe Kelly Clarkson, Fantasia and Carrie Underwood have broken out of the bubble. Lambert’s been getting some nice airplay in Europe who couldn’t care less about American Idol, so I could argue he also broke out of the bubble somewhat. At least three confirmed cases is not a fluke.

    They all have declined after their first single.

    Declined, maybe, but stayed in bussiness when their AI fanbase fizzled out. On a smaller scale (sans Carrie since she isn’t “smaller scale”) but steady. If Archie is to do the same, he must… Well, I have no idea what he must, but he can’t keep doing what he does.

    I just don’t believe in a conspiracy theory claiming sinister dealings between the label and radio programmers that purposely stifled Clay’s airplay. Mistakes are sometimes made, artists are sometiems difficult to manage, there are sometimes different artisitic visions, different expectations. Sometimes, the combination of factors causes things to not work out. I don’t believe in lables sabotaging their own artists.

  219. Well for instance, Bieber has 7,386,067 followers on twitter, 21,463,481 likes on facebook. With 3-4mil sales or so(i dont know) and with him literally being everywhere… you’d think it was more. We’ll not even get into views of youtube, because its just ridic there.

    its obvious followers/views/likes =/= sales. its easy enough to follow someone and not be commited to buying something. Then you have casual fans that dont do twitter or facebook.

  220. Jordin and Archuleta both have over 500,000 followers on twitter but each had their second albums debut under 50,000. Archuleta may have lacked decent promo but Jordin’s was decent and they both announced their albums were for sale to their followers. The majority of the followers passed.

    At this point I think it can be assumed that there are many reasons people choose to follow someone on twitter and not always because they are interested in supporting what that person does for a living. It would be interesting if someone had ever done an extensive report listing number of followers vs their sales, box office or retail value among the entertainment industry as a whole.

  221. The label may have the option to drop the artist, but how many albums does the label hold over the artist?

    Typically the label only has a set number of options, so it may be that Jive had the option for 3 albums.

    We know that Clarkson has said her contract with RCA had 5 additional options (for a total of 6 albums). It seems plausible that runners-up would have fewer options in their contracts, but I’m not going to go to the wall with it.

    I absolutely agree that there is a large component of international Twitter followers, but FB followers are far more likely to be in the US. And I do think there’s a difference between following someone without buying from them when said artist is recent (Bieber) and following someone without buying from them when said artist put out an album a few years before that a lot of people bought. That does suggest a certain degree of fan erosion.

  222. its obvious followers/views/likes =/= sales. its easy enough to follow someone and not be commited to buying something. Then you have casual fans that dont do twitter or facebook.

    That’s my point. We don’t have any evidence that Archie has a large fanbase, or one that’s big enough to sustain an major label contract. His drop from the first album to the second isn’t any different from what we’ve seen from other idol alums, even the ones who have been successful, which is why it was so important for him to release a few singles from his first album that would have expanded his visibility beyond the AI bubble. That didn’t happen, so the poor performance of album number two is not a surprise.

  223. I think I always had a problem figuring out exactly how David was being marketed as a singer. He’s all wholesome and I get this whole purity, religious, sweet awe shucks kid vibe from him, but no edge. Yet he was being marketed to a pop/youth market, where you kind of need a bit of an edge imo.

    A friend of mine made a good comment about how Bieber succeeds in part by towing that line between being kind of wholesome and safe, but also a little edgy along with it – and I think that bit of rebeliousness appeals better to teens.

    I always thought this was a similar problem with Jordin – too much of a clean, pure image that left little impression outside the idol bubble with the masses.

    In David’s case, I really think the split could be a good thing. He should find a label that maybe is more geared toward light pop, a Buble/Josh Grobin sound perhaps, maybe a little spiritual even. Away from top 40 though, because I don’t see him fitting there. JMO.

  224. Speaking of David’s fan base supporting his album sales – I think lack of promo definitely is an issue along with easy illegal downloading, but more so his AI fans have “temporarily” moved on since they don’t care for pop but loved David for his ballads. Look at the huge turn out (80,000 +) and scalping of tickets for his MOTAB concerts….. I’m an international fan here in Europe and although pop is not my favorite genre, I’m waiting for David to do a Spanish album – which I think is his strenth.

  225. David seems to be oblivious to understanding the value and necessity of releasing a “hit” single. Longevity in the business is predicated on commercial success. From my view, the CD failed to sell because the songs just are not well written, they are poorly produced, and sorry David, not very well performed. Whether or not the label failed to properly promote the CD is questionable. What is not questionable is the fact that not even his fans wanted to purchase the CD. I don’t believe it had to do with illegal downloading. It is more likely that few people liked what was on the CD. The general weakness of the CD coupled with the the selection of singles 1 and 2 pretty much doomed this project. If David wants to perform and release music professionally he will have to come to grips with the business of making and selling music. Sometimes a little compromise is necessary.

  226. brewster:
    02/18/2011 at 11:59 am
    It is more likely that few people liked what was on the CD. The general weakness of the CD coupled with the the selection of singles 1 and 2 pretty much doomed this project. If David wants to perform and release music professionally he will have to come to grips with the business of making and selling music. Sometimes a little compromise is necessary.

    I certainly thought that the first two singles doomed this album. Something about love was bland and the music video for the song certainly didn’t help make it any better. Then they released Elevator and that song was so poorly written and very juvenile. The songs never took off and it killed the album.

  227. Sometimes a little compromise is necessary.

    And that compromise has got to come from both sides of the fence. If David chooses to carry on with his chosen lifestyle and to promote himself within the framework of his conservative and religious choices then he isn’t compromising with a very secular pop world that likes edgy and sexy and titillating etc. So if David has chosen to put his energy into his charitable endeavors and his church and his conservative leanings then he needs to market himself to peeps who have the same set of values…and that isn’t the pop world of top 40 radio. And as much as some people say it shouldn’t matter “who” David is and it should be about his voice…nice perspective but totally false in today’s world. People want to relate to the music they listen to…and I don’t think people listening to top 40 want to listen to the type of “message” music David wants to produce.

  228. yeah but look at bieber… he has TONS of followers but he is also literally EVERYWHERE.

    Part of that is because Bieber, from the beginning was WILLING to be everywhere. Most managers will encourage and do everything they can with their clients to make them visible, and most of that is free promo type stuff. Stuff like going to premieres and walking red carpets. Going to industry parties and getting your picture taken. Talking with reporters so you can get a blurb in one of the magazines. Was David unwilling to do stuff like that? I’ve heard he didn’t want to be at the “Never say Never” premiere. If that’s true (and I don’t know that it is or isn’t), it’s stupid on his part. Yeah it’s great to be on Leno and it’s great to be on the cover of People, but those slots are rare.

    David genuinely would rather take off to India to do charity work than to stay in the US and grind it out. There’s nothing wrong with that but it certainly doesn’t make a manager’s job easier.

  229. Are the MOTAB concerts not usually full?

    Yes, the tickets generally sell out. Well, they are issued for free but sell out is the best term I know for it lol.

    They had to implement a lottery system for tickets a few years back due to high demand. So now people sign up for the opportunity to receive tickets and “winners” are chosen randomly to receive them.

    According to news reports before the concerts, there were a record number of requests this past year — approximately 1.5 million requests for the approx 80,000 tickets. This is up from an estimated 1 million requests the year before. Whether this large increase can be attributed to David, I don’t know. I’m sure it’s a contributing factor but who knows what all the reasons are.

    I also know that for the first time ever, the church issued tickets to view the concerts in alternate locations around Temple Square. In the past, people were allowed to just drop in to the alternate viewing locations as they pleased but due to the huge demand for tickets, they felt the need to issue tickets for the alternate locations as well.
    (And this is a lot more than you probably ever wanted to know about the MoTab Choir concerts lol.)

  230. Tess:
    02/18/2011 at 12:20 pm
    And as much as some people say it shouldn’t matter “who” David is and it should be about his voice…nice perspective but totally false in today’s world. People want to relate to the music they listen to…and I don’t think people listening to top 40 want to listen to the type of “message” music David wants to produce.

    I think David is dealing with what other Idols have had to figure out about where they belong in music and what they wanted to sing. David might fall into the same category as Clay, being artist trying to sing songs that are not them.

  231. And that compromise has got to come from both sides of the fence. If David chooses to carry on with his chosen lifestyle and to promote himself within the framework of his conservative and religious choices then he isn’t compromising with a very secular pop world that likes edgy and sexy and titillating etc. So if David has chosen to put his energy into his charitable endeavors and his church and his conservative leanings then he needs to market himself to peeps who have the same set of values

    I’ve tried to stay away from this, since for some people, this seems to be about what they believe David’s sexual orientation is, and I have no idea how they would know this information. That being said, there are a lot of Christians who are making pop music, and a lot of Christians who are very successful.

    While I do think that David, and all of the idol alums, need to realize that promotion and public relations is just as important as the music, so they need to work hard at making sure that they project a certain type of image in their interviews, be aware of how they look when they are out in public, maintain contact with fans, attend industry functions and network, but that doesn’t mean that they have to put aside their beliefs. I think the childish lyrics of some of David’s songs, as well as the mishmash of songs on the albums, and the weird way that David has been marketed and promoted have had a greater impact on his career, than David’s conservative beliefs.

  232. David seems to be oblivious to understanding the value and necessity of releasing a “hit” single. Longevity in the business is predicated on commercial success. From my view, the CD failed to sell because the songs just are not well written, they are poorly produced, and sorry David, not very well performed. Whether or not the label failed to properly promote the CD is questionable. What is not questionable is the fact that not even his fans wanted to purchase the CD. I don’t believe it had to do with illegal downloading. It is more likely that few people liked what was on the CD. The general weakness of the CD coupled with the the selection of singles 1 and 2 pretty much doomed this project. If David wants to perform and release music professionally he will have to come to grips with the business of making and selling music. Sometimes a little compromise is necessary.

    I totally agree. Hit singles are crucial for pop artists and David is no exception. Just look how Ke$ha, Katy Perry, Lady GaGa etc. release single after single.

    David had only one hit – Crush. To establish himself, he would have to have several hits on his first album and then again several on the second album.

    When ALTNOY flopped, Jive should have given him a certain number of songs to record and release new single as soon as possible, followed by another pop album. Instead, he was allowed to tour and then record Christmas album. Well, that’s how you successfully kill a pop career.

    His second pop album is bland and poorly produced.

  233. Great point CSFan. Many, but not all, of the idol alums act like they are uncomfortable with self-promotion, and getting out to be seen, which is weird since they were okay with going on a nationally televised tv show that’s seen by millions of people. I think a lot of artists hate that side of the business, but as the competition for radio spots gets tighter, it is something that is necessary.

  234. I think the childish lyrics of some of David’s songs, as well as the mishmash of songs on the albums, and the weird way that David has been marketed and promoted have had a greater impact on his career, than David’s conservative beliefs.

    Exactly. The Jonas Brothers went around making a huge deal about their purity rings and whatnot and it didn’t impact their fanbase. But they put out consistent music and knew the channels through which to promote to the tween pop audience so they did very well for a number of years.

  235. I think that the declaration of his lyrics as being “childish” and “bland” is purely a subjective matter. There are many people, myself included, who found the last album to be great music. That’s the great thing about music though — the fact that everyone can find something different in it. You don’t need to sing about a bottle of jack to not be childish. You don’t need complex phrasing to have a good song.

    The album actually got pretty favorable reviews, from the few reviewers to offered an opinion on it. But reviews, like many other things to do with the last album, were few and far between. Yeah, it had bad reviews, middling reviews and good reviews. Just like about another album, Idol-alum or non-Idol-alum.

    I find Taylor Swift to be pretty bland. But apparently there of millions of album buyers who don’t agree with me. And that’s just the way it is.

  236. His second pop album is bland and poorly produced

    Have you even listened to his entire second pop album? The media and fan response is pretty much unanimous that his second album is loads better than his first in musical quality. it just proves that sales does not equal better music..the crap played on radio nowadays is the perfect example. Also there are other great writers out there besides max martin and ryan tedder. Davids poor sales was def bc of a lack of label support.his only promo were tweets from jive! Something bout love was pulled so early on from radio that I’m surprised he even sold anything at all. All of the jive people david worked with has left so it makes sense for him to as well. Sorry I just had to respond bc it pains me that people are blaming his voice and music when I think it’s just really poor business practices

  237. I don’t think that David’s cd is bland. I love most of the songs on it! And I will be forever happy that he did his Christmas cd. I actually listened to Ave Maria and some of the songs on it during the summer because beautiful music has no season. In addition, David never talks about his religion, never tells us when he is or has been to church, and there are tons of musicians who are very Catholic or Christian or whatever and no one pays any attention. David is just so good that he can’t be put into any category and he has never been a tween-singer and never wanted to be.

  238. I think that the declaration of his lyrics as being “childish” and “bland” is purely a subjective matter.

    This is true, but can anyone actually make an argument for “Elevator goes up, Elevator goes down?”

    I think a lot of David’s adult AI fans aren’t willing to support a pop album, especially one where the first single makes it seem like the album is being geared towards a teen audience.

  239. This is true, but can anyone actually make an argument for “Elevator goes up, Elevator goes down?”

    LOL! Okay. I’m not gonna waste my time defending that one. ;p
    I will admit that I sing along to it SUPER loud in my car though. Sometimes it’s nice to just have a song that makes you happy.

    I completely agree with you about the issue of who his target audience is — for marketing purposes or for shaping an album. I don’t think the label knew, I don’t think management knew, hell I don’t even know if David knows. He is difficult to pin down for many reasons. He does not fit in a defined marketing box. So. Yeah. I just hope that some marketing person a whole lot smarter than I discovers a way to do it. Because he’s such a talented guy.

  240. I love elevator and see the lyrics as the metaphor they are intended to be. It’s a funky little song. If I wanted to waste my afternoon, I could go find pages of examples of songs with silly lyrics, some from today’s top 40 chart. Subjective opinion.

  241. I for one am not surprised. I thought his album was too immature. I love Archie and think he is a sweet person. He just needs to grow up musically. He is 20 or 21 now not 16.

  242. The media and fan response is pretty much unanimous that his second album is loads better than his first in musical quality.

    Well being better than the first wouldn’t have been hard. Ouch! sorry, I’m not a big fan of most Idol debut albums.

    But sad for DA and his fans. I hope he finds his niche, and that he can then find a label and management to make that happen. I do think he should go the Buble route, and stop trying to be pop. It’s just not a good fit for him, that I can see.

  243. I had no idea that David’s first album has been certified platinum. Is that right?

    No it hasn’t only certified Gold.

  244. Dakota01- No, his first album has sold around 760,000 domestic and around 900,000 worldwide. Maybe they got the platinum sales for “Crush” as a single mixed up with the album certification. Crush is almost at double platinum level now. Although I don’t believe it has ever been certified. Well done with that, Jive.

  245. I had no idea that David’s first album has been certified platinum.

    I think what happened was that Halperin and some other people remembered his overall sales total (for his first two albums) as being nearly 1 million because that’s what the PR points talked about before TOSOD.

    Sloppy of her not to check on the certifications, though (and I’m usually a fan of her reporting). The RIAA database is easy to use.

  246. Sony is shedding all their Idols that aren’t selling. I expect Crystal and Lee will be gone by the end of the year.

  247. I think it already been proven his fanbase has shrunk. His album has been out since October and I am pretty sure that his fanbase know by now that he has a new album. Either they listened to it and thought it wasn’t good and didn’t buy or they have moved on and don’t care any more. Sure he has a lot of twitter followers, but that don’t mean anything. Look at Daughtry and Kelly, neither have a large number of twitter followers, but have sold multi-millions of albums.

    As for comparison to Beiber, he’s not like Archie. Beiber knows his fanbase and sing songs they like. He even has a girlfriend and is lot more open and relatable to teens then David. You can be conservative or religious, and still jump around and have fun like Justine do. He’s playing up to the little girls that’s buying his records. He uses his looks, personality and songs to reel in his fanbase. Archie does none of that. He’s so squeaky clean he makes Donny Osmond look like a perv.

    Yes, Beiber is all over the Tween magazines. A week doesn’t go buy when I go to the grocery store and yet that’s all I see. Justin is seen and heard and plays it up and uses whatever he needs to use to get little girls buying his album. Even the Jonas Brothers, who were considered squeaky clean reeled in fans and played up to them using their sexuality and being “sexy.” It isn’t so much that David is squeaky clean – he’s beyond that. He’s kind of a prude and that’s okay but keep it to yourself. I once read while David was on tour that some girl gave him some clothing manufacturer’s bag to sign and that had a girl wearing shorts and he filled it in to cover her legs prior to signing it.

    Let’s face it “sex” and being sexy sells even when some of these artists are so young. David’s never been linked romantically to any girl, has admitted he’s never kissed a girl and though he appears to have good female friends he seems and appears out of touch with the youth of today. Now he’s 20 going on 21 he’s even stranger to them. A lot of David’s fans are convinced he’s a huge star with so many twitter fans but how does that explain 67K to-date of sales. A lot of people who do sell albums were more or less told to get on Twitter but Twitter followers don’t amount to album sales. Nobody is telling him to compromise his beliefs and lifestyle but he’s now, unfortunately, seeing there are consequences. You have to play the game to win.

  248. My 17yo did a pretty exhaustive report about illegal downloading recently, and the majority of kids that age don’t even think about buying a physical album or purchasing downloads. It’s just not the way they think.

    Totally agree. Kids and college kids illegally download all the time. However, David’s first album sold something like 750K so I bet they were doing it then also and the economy wasn’t great then either. Every artist is subjected to illegal downloads all the time. Justin Beiber fans illegally download too but his album did quite well.

  249. Ciara said a few days ago, “I spent tens of thousands of my own money only to hear the radio PDs tell me my label didn’t want the song played”.

    And this is EXACTLY what Archuleta fans were told by the PDs immediately post-”Crush” and for two years. Fans were told “Oh, we can’t play that” by the radio stations, no matter how large the requests, for any other single after “Crush”.

    Ciara, I believe wanted another single to be played on the radio and not the one her label chose to release. A lot of times artists have disputes as to which single they want released and it’s a battle some have with their labels. Singles can make or break you. When she tried to get another song played, that’s what they told her – they can’t play it. The artist can look for another label if they have selling power, their contract is up and they want more control. No radio station is going to play anything off an album unless the label says so and released it to radio.

  250. your definition of success is somehow totally different from his. I don’t really think the amount of hit songs or how much money he makes can define it. The definition may lie there if you’re open minded enough to know exactly what music IS.  

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