David Archuleta ‘Other Side Of Down’ 22-25K 1st Week Sales Prediction

Based on one day sales, the industry rag, Hits Daily Double is predicting 22-25K first week sales for David Archuleta’s 3rd studio album, The Other Side Of Down.

HDD could release a revised prediction before this  weekend. We’ll have accurate numbers when Nielsen Sounscan figures are released next Wednesday.

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David’s self-titled debut sold 183K it’s first week back in November of 2008 and his Christmas album, Christmas from the Heart, released last October moved 17k.

Yeah, that’s a pretty big difference in sales between David’s debut two years ago and his second (non-holiday) studio effort.

The combination of lower album sales overall, and the law of diminishing returns for Idol grads (each Idol release selling fewer copies than the last) certainly contributes to the gap.

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  1. Wow…do you think this will finally shut people up about Kris Allen’s low sales? I mean seriously, these are hard times. People just do not buy CD’s anymore. In fact, I recently saw where Wal Mart is changing all of their music sections to greatly reduce the amount of music CD’s they carry. I don’t see it getting any better for Season 9 Cd releases or upcoming Season 10.

  2. Oh that’s so sad.I really love the CD.I’ve listen to it a few times already.hopefully when it’s all said and done it well be at least alittle more.

  3. Wow this is really sad, I hope the label doesn’t drop him like they did with Ailison.

  4. The problem for even successful Idols is the FOLLOW UP album not the debut album. The Idol law of diminishing returns.

  5. This is not surprising, at least to me, because of the lack of radio and promo. People can’t buy what they don’t know is out there. David hasn’t had a hit song in two years and he is still a new artist. Even artists that have had huge hits aren’t selling. So I don’t see how David who doesn’t have that is expected to.

  6. Can’t say I’m surprised. Archuleta had the benefit of a big and rabid idol fanbase at the end of season 7. Those have a tendency to disapear more or less rapidly (look at Clay, Bo, Taylor, etc.) after the first album.
    He didn’t have enough radio success or presence in the media to attract new fans.

    Wow…do you think this will finally shut people up about Kris Allen’s low sales?

    I think this impacts more the expectations for Cook, Kris, Adam… second album. They could be in very similar situations, so if they don’t get a big single, this could mean a 50k first week maximum.

  7. This is worse than I expected.But it has to come down to his co-writers/producers,and promotion.And they have not been up to par,AT ALL.I realize about diminishing returns,but these other reasons are paramount.And I hope Ellen has him on her show,-no word yet.I hope she’s not playing favorites with Greyson Chance,as he shares a slice of David’s demographic…

  8. The problem for even successful Idols is the FOLLOW UP album not the debut album. The Idol law of diminishing returns.

    Exactly. Kris’ first album and Archie’s second album are not comparable in that way.

    Anyway, isn’t that what around the SBL single sold its first week with no promo and no airplay? That was all about his hardcore fanbase, and it sold about 25K. So this seems about right, since he has no song on the radio and very limited promo.

    Anyway, let’s see what happens going forward if they can get one of the singles to catch on. Right now he just has to worry about turning a profit for Jive.

  9. I wish Archie had sold more :(. I hope that he will get a hit from this album and maybe that would help to increase sales in the long run.

  10. no hit single and no promo. they missed the boat on this one. poor David. SBL should have done so much better than it did. who’s fault is that? not his.

  11. The success of this record is clearly going to have to come from airplay. Elevator got what, six HAC adds this week? It seems so odd that Jive would go to the trouble of even producing a record if they don’t want to back it.

    I think this impacts more the expectations for Cook, Kris, Adam… second album. They could be in very similar situations, so if they don’t get a big single, this could mean a 50k first week maximum

    Yeah, as a die hard Cook fan, this has me a bit nervous, lol.

  12. In fact, I recently saw where Wal Mart is changing all of their music sections to greatly reduce the amount of music CD’s they carry.

    YEah when my walmart redid their store they realy cut down the music section. I think we are lucky to get maybe 1 row of cds and maybe some stand alone displays… actually not even then.

    But yeah this is right around what I was expecting. No radio, no promo(least not really yet).

    But look at bruno mars only supposedly going to sell 40-50k. he’s got a #1 single, and featured on a few chart toppping hits as well. I mean toby keith is only looking at like 65-70k as well. The whole chart is not looking so well. October also isnt exactly a month that burns up on cd sales.

    Hopefully we’ll see some more promo, and also i hope they actually decide to push a song on radio.

  13. I don’t feel like poor David. I doubt David is looking at himself that way. David is about the opportunities he has been given and taking advantage of them for as long as they last. I bet he would be very happy that he was able to make an album that represented him and that he was proud of no matter how much it ended up selling. And if Jive were to drop him it wouldn’t be like his music career would have to be over with.

  14. I really like David, and I hope he can have a song catch on like Crush to help out sales.

    A bit OT, but does anyone think David sounds a bit weird on the album? He has such a beautiful voice while singing live, but it just sounds like many of the songs are a key too high or something.

  15. wow, paint me surprised!! David has a 400+ followers on twitter so i find this surprising. But hey it’s based on one day sale in the middle of the week? His fan base is pretty young and must be at school, and not yet buying the new cd. I think after the week-end the number s/b higher, no? Maybe i’m not understanding this correctly though..

  16. I think this gives an idea of Archie’s fanbase. The Xmas album, SBL and this album sort of sell the same first week.
    Wihout music on radio and any good promo it was difficult to do much better.

  17. Archie has actually gotten/will get a lot of promo this week. Maybe all the appearances will result in better sales next week.

  18. no hit single and no promo. they missed the boat on this one. poor David. SBL should have done so much better than it did. who’s fault is that? not his.

    I think SBL was their best chance for CHR on the album. They should have promoted the hell out of it and coughed up payola. IMO..

  19. No one in the San Francisco Bay area has any idea that David has a cd out or any singles out there. Not one time have I heard him on the radio – not Crush, not his amazing Christmas songs, nothing. The funny think is that anyone who sees him and hears him in person loves him. But as someone above said, you actually have to know he is alive to buy his cd. They need to get him into the radio stations in Calif. or pay for advertising space and advertise his cd on every station or something. It drives me crazy.

  20. I think this impacts more the expectations for Cook, Kris, Adam… second album. They could be in very similar situations, so if they don’t get a big single, this could mean a 50k first week maximum

    I agree this will impact the expectations for the other idols sophomore albums. And could also foreshadow how some of them might do. Including the ones who also haven’t really had a big presence on radio.

  21. Archie has actually gotten/will get a lot of promo this week. Maybe all the appearances will result in better sales next week.

    yeah well this really has been the first week has gotten any sort of promo aside from small scale things.

    He had regis today, wendy william tomorrow and i think the today show(though i hear he’s not performing as of yet on that, just an interview so far). Thats it so far for tv promo really. Aside from mentions here and there on a few entertainment programs.

    I think SBL was their best chance for CHR on the album. They should have promoted the hell out of it and coughed up payola. IMO..

    RIP sbl… they chopped it off at the ankles…

  22. But hey it’s based on one day sale in the middle of the week? His fan base is pretty young and must be at school, and not yet buying the new cd. I think after the week-end the number s/b higher, no? Maybe i’m not understanding this correctly though..

    Eh, not really. It’s like this for everyone (young or adults) and sometimes it actually goes down, not up.
    I actually don’t think David’s fanbase is that young. he’s keeping the idol fanbase, which is a bit older.

    Archie has actually gotten/will get a lot of promo this week. Maybe all the appearances will result in better sales next week

    What do you mean by a lot of promo? He’ll be on two tv shows and a third one no one has ever heard of.
    he has done some radio promo though. But that’s more for the singles, and radio doesn’t seem to be picking the singles though.
    Jive could do better. His music is not bad and could get more airplay.

  23. The good news is that David has brand new management. This could help him. I still think he can have a hit song off of this album. I think other idols might also struggle with their future album sales.

  24. I agree this will impact the expectations for the other idols sophomore albums. And could also foreshadow how some of them might do. Including the ones who also haven’t really had a big presence on radio.

    Jordin had a minimal gap between albums and a hit lead single and it didn’t matter. Same with Daughtry. One opened well, one didn’t. Sometimes things just don’t work out well.

  25. It definitely manages expectations for future sophomore CD’s. And please let’s not compare the position Archie is in now with Kris fresh off an Idol win and a debut album.

    As I said in the sales thread Jive seriously owes him for screwing up his airplay so badly. Jive just..well sucks lately. But if they can get him a huge HAC hit at the least and kick in some more promo around the holidays I think sales may pick up.

  26. no question somebody blew it big time with SBL. i think THAT is the song he should be singing on the talk shows right now. to me, it is the song most likely to capture the non-fanbase’s attention. any chance of ressurecting that one or is it completely dead in the water?

  27. How incredibly disappointing. I have to agree with MJ here, there is a law of diminishing returns in play that even the golden child of Idol apparently cannot overcome. I just hope the album is a grower throughout the Holiday Season.

    And to those who persist in filtering the reaction of others through some purported, personal lens of one David Archuleta, frankly, my dears, it matters not a whit what David thinks about his career relative to the positions taken on this forum on the same subject matter. Moreover, what David may or may not think is completely unknown to us all. Unless you’re a mind reader, that is.

  28. Yep. Like someone said above, without getting radio play and very little promotion, what can we expect? A lot of people don’t even know he has a new album. If peope who have a #1 hit on radio can’t get many sales, how can someone who is hardly being promoted get them?

    I beg to differ about some peoples’ opinon that the quality of this album or about his singles not being good. The songs are fantastic, but for some reason, radio won’t play him. I think it is because he is too wholesome and that is not cool. Good for him for sticking to who he is though.

    I don’t think David ever wanted to be a huge star (from what he has said). He just wants to make music. I just feel like he isn’t getting what he deserves. He is an amazing musician and person. I will just have to get over it. He seems very happy.

  29. Wow…do you think this will finally shut people up about Kris Allen’s low sales? I mean seriously, these are hard times. People just do not buy CD’s anymore.

    The market is changing, but I still say this has a lot to do with lack of promotion, and not having a single on the radio. David’s management has done very well by him over the past few days, but the album was basically released in a vacuum. David doesn’t even have the name recognition to be known as a former AI contestant. While Crush was big for three months that was two years ago, and David hasn’t had a radio presence since then.

    The good news is that the album can put up steady numbers if David continues to receive the promotion that he has gotten over the past few days, and if Elevator takes off on radio.

  30. Radio isn’t playing Archie’s singles (yet). I don’t think anyone can sell music these days without radio play. Of course, Bruno Mars has #1 hits and isn’t selling that many albums either. ;)

    Album sales are just in a bad place overall. .

  31. David has 487,692 Twitter followers. Who are these people?

    IF half bought his album this year that would be 243,846 sold.

    I’ve read that Twitter numbers have no connection to album sales. Why is that? Why are nearly 500K following this guy if they don’t support him in the market? His tweets aren’t uncommonly interesting, why bother?

    Audience of 15,000 at Art Prize in Grand Rapids, MI where they demanded an encore. That’s a memorable experience fresh in their minds. If 30% bought his album, that’s 5,000 copies right there.

    ETA: The chances of Elevator taking off on radio seem close to 0%, sorry to say, it’s not a good song.

  32. A big Ouch! for Archie. :-( This is the worst scenario. No hit single, no airplay, atrocious opening, serious erosion of fanbase. This era is off to a disastrous start.

    I don’t know what they can do to salvage this thing. If their hopes hinge on Elavator, then it’s all over.

  33. While Crush was big for three months that was two years ago, and David hasn’t had a radio presence since then.

    Three months? I thought Crush went almost double platinum, isn’t that right? I heard it on the radio frequently, still hear it on radio occasionally, and heard it in a department store recently.

    I was really hoping for another Crush for David this time around.

  34. yes HappyDaisy. it was close to double platinum a few months back. i was hoping for another one of those too. :(

  35. Jordin also has a shitload of Twitter followers and it hasn’t helped her move CDs or concert tickets. Hey I follow Kim Kardashian on Twitter but I don’t spend a dime on her heh. Big difference between hitting “follow” and actually spending money. Chris Daughtry has less followers than Adam, Kris, Jordin and Archie..but look at his current sales and how he’s outselling them.

  36. Even though Jive and or David’s management are targeting teens with that whole SBL campaign, I wouldn’t say that he’s already won over that market, or that this age group represents his hardcore fan base. Crush acted like the typical pop song, and raced up the chart and raced back down in just three months. The album sold over 700,000 copies, but the vast majority of those were sold in just three or four months, sales of the album pretty much dried up once the holidays were over. And even though Radio Disney played Crush and David toured with Demi Lovato, he really hasn’t been out in the public eye enough to connect with either the teen or the young adult market.

    no question somebody blew it big time with SBL. i think THAT is the song he should be singing on the talk shows right now. to me, it is the song most likely to capture the non-fanbase’s attention. any chance of ressurecting that one or is it completely dead in the water?

    Who knows how much Jive pushed the song, but I think radio PDs just were not going to fall over themselves to play a song by someone who’s pretty much a relative unknown. They have short attention spans, so they’ve forgotten about Crush, and David hasn’t been doing anything that would compel them to play his music.

  37. Three months? I thought Crush went almost double platinum, isn’t that right? I heard it on the radio frequently, still hear it on radio occasionally, and heard it in a department store recently.

    It was very popular on the radio, but its chart run was typical of most pop songs, so it rose fast and fell fast, and it really didn’t have legs, which is something that I think hurt David. The song’s fast burnout rate added with the absence of a follow up single, didn’t allow David time to establish himself as an artist, or gain name recognition.

  38. Twitter followers are also international and I know that a lot of David’s followers are, in fact, international fans.

    Not thrilled about the number but not surprised either. Mostly the invested fans or Idol fans who visit blogs know he has an album out. I’m hopeful for a better showing in the coming months, especially if promotion continues and if any of the songs finally hit on radio.

  39. I get that sophmore albums take a hit, but these numbers are WAY low. As an artist, he is so undefined; I mean, just who is his fanbase these days?

    I think this album era is in serious trouble. Jive better push hard to HAC. I don’t think CHR wants him.

  40. I think JIVE is somewhat at fault for not wanting to spend the money to get some of David’s songs airplay on the radio. I also agree that Elevator is not going to get airplay on the radio. However, Falling Stars, OSOD, Good Place, and still SBL all have very good potential as hits if they are pushed by JIVE. I still think David will be fine with sales down the road. I say he should put out that Spanish album next. He also needs a guest spot on GLEE.

  41. Poor Elevator gets no love, lol.

    I actually really like that song — I think it’s super catchy. I have no idea if radio will ever play it. Can’t wrap my brain around what radio plays anyway…other than the same 7 or 8 artists over and over.

    These numbers are actually about what I was expecting. I think it might be a bit higher once the week is out but we’ll see. As someone already said, you have to remember that David is releasing this album with essentially no major promo. He’s doing radio shows but that only reaches local markets for the most part.

    He is getting some TV slots this week so that might help for the sales toward the end of the week (which is why I think that prediction might skew a bit low) but still not a lot of promo.

    My hope is that this album builds on itself. It’s really a solid album, in my opinion. I think the fact that Jive seems to possibly be attempting to position him to HAC is a good thing — they just need to ramp it up about 40 notches. And get his single played. CHR seems not to want to play David’s music. HAC might. We’ll see.

    I certainly don’t think this is a sign of the end for David, lol. I think it’s a sign of the times in the music industry and a sign that Jive/mgmt needs a reality check on promo. You can’t rely on that old “If you make it, listeners will come” ideal. It’s a push industry, not pull. Gotta push out the fact that David has new music — there are so many things out there competing for attention. So GRAB someone’s attention and show them why David is a great music talent. My suggestion: Book more live performances on TV. David is a GREAT live performer. Use that asset to your advantage, Jive/mgmt/whomeverisdroppingtheball.

    But what do I know, I’m just a fan.

  42. musicgirl, well he’s only just recently signed management…. what like two weeks ago-ish? So they need time to work their thing. And well Jive….

  43. My prediction a few days ago was 100-125k, and I am a big supporter of David. The label let him make and release his own music, and although I respect his effort, the majority of songs just don’t do it for me. David’s sunny disposition, personality, idealism and naivete are endearing traits. But as a songwriter, David needs a few years of life experience under his belt. There are 2 or 3 songs on this CD which are quite good. The others are passable at best. His beautiful, rich, expressive voice is virtually non existent on this collection of mediocre songs. David needed to dial down his falsetto big time, there are so many high notes in these songs that I actually find them annoying, and that is not something that I thought I would ever say about David’s singing. It’s evident to me that David and the label came to some agreement where David had a great amount of control over this project. It will be interesting to see if Jive and David part ways in the near future. David speaks often about not focusing on making “hit” music. Whenever I hear an artist voice those sentiments, they usually don’t succeed commercially. I really hope that David can overcome this set back, learns that sometimes it is about making “hit” music, and gets another shot.

  44. I agree this will impact the expectations for the other idols sophomore albums.

    I expect that since Kris and Cook were THE American Idol and not a runner up, they will get much more airplay and promotion. Adam– well he got promoted to death, so it is likely he will continue to get promotion.

  45. I believe in David and I think it will be ok in the long run. Jive did let SBL go out too soon. It’s a great song and it should of done a lot better. Oh well, the industry as a whole isn’t doing that great anyway. Well the 25,000 copies purchased by hardcore fans like me, lol, I guess we may need to buy another copy and gift it for X-mas. :) Here is hoping that his new management team can works some magic.

  46. David’s a nice kid but the lyrics of his album are trite and vanilla, and the songs sort of all sound the same. It’s a self help book filled with cliches and put to music. There’s nothing that stands out as a sure fire radio hit and I’m not sure program directors are chomping at the bit to play a David Archuleta song anyway.

    I admire that he stays true to himself but I hopes he understands that with that stance comes sacrifice. In this case I believe the immediate sacrifice is going to be the chance of having any sort of widespread, invested fanbase. Nobody expected him to do over 100,000 in sales but 20,000? That’s a huge drop. He hasn’t developed a strong fanbase beyond the AI faithful.

  47. I don’t know who to “blame” for David’s apparent slide down the popularity pole but I don’t think all the blame should rest on the shoulders of his record company. From what David himself has said this is “his” album with his sensibilities and his input. And, for me, that resulted in a very juvenile album with little soul.

  48. Hmm, that estimate is lower than I was expecting. I thought the Archies would be good for at least a 40K opening. Oh well…sign of the times.

    Who knows how much Jive pushed the song, but I think radio PDs just were not going to fall over themselves to play a song by someone who’s pretty much a relative unknown.

    I tend to agree. I think fans at times are quick to blame the label when their fave’s singles flop or don’t perform as well as they’d like, but the labels can’t turn every single that’s released into a hit. Maybe PDs just weren’t receptive to SBL and didn’t want to touch it. I don’t know how Elevator will do, but for David’s sake I hope it begins to gain more airplay. I don’t think the label will give up on David or the album if Elevator ultimately flops, but I would like to see it do well.

    I expect that since Kris and Cook were THE American Idol and not a runner up, they will get much more airplay and promotion.

    PDs could care less about them being “THE American Idol”, so that won’t have any bearing on how much airplay and promotion their singles receive. Hell, Taylor was THE American Idol too and look at the minuscule amount of airplay he has received for his singles.

  49. PDs could care less about them being “THE American Idol”, so that won’t have any bearing on how much airplay and promotion their singles receive.

    Amen to that. And to the degree anyone on radio gave a crap the first go around, and I assure you it wasn’t much, they REALLY won’t care on the next go around. Ditto the label. We’ve been here before. Everyone is on their own round 2.

    If Archie can increase his visibility over Christmas he might be able to make a dent towards at least breaking even for Jive, so I hope his brand new management is on the ball.

  50. I think it is a bit too early to signal the end for this album or for David Archuleta. The only single he has had on the radio is Something ‘Bout Love. At its height, that song’s audience impression was about 900,000 or about 1/6 of the Truth’s audience. SBL was also not performed on national television other than an afternoon U.S. Open performance. Keep in mind that while the Christmas album started with just under 17,000, it ended up selling over 210,000. The promotion really only started this week and because album was released early in the Fall, it still has the benefit of the big buying weeks in November and December. I suspect that when he starts promoting the Christmas album, it will help the sale of the pop album also. Again, I think it’s just way too early to be so negative.

  51. David is only 19 years old. He is a major talent and has a great career a head of him. The sales of this album will pick up. He has not even toured for this album yet. JIVE is not going to give up on David. I think they are very vested in him except for spending much money on him. Record sales are down for most all artists except for a few exceptions. The album is great. He just needs airplay and major promo.

  52. Well, in any case, I think that this is an album that has the potential to grow over time. Ha, obviously if it starts out with really low numbers then we better HOPE it grows.

    But as frogcooke said, the mgmt team is brand new so I understand that they may need a bit of time to get their legs under them. Hoping they don’t take too long. I also think touring would be a benefit since David sells his music really well in a live format.

    I personally can’t wait to see him perform all the new songs live. Love the album. I think it shows a real progression for David and I find it to be just good music. I can’t ask more from an artist than to put out music that I enjoy.

    I guess that everything else is up to the music-buying masses. Yeah, um, those same people who have made Ke$ha a hugely successful musical act. Pardon me while I go brush my teeth with a bottle of Jack.

  53. I don’t know who to “blame” for David’s apparent slide down the popularity pole but I don’t think all the blame should rest on the shoulders of his record company. From what David himself has said this is “his” album with his sensibilities and his input. And, for me, that resulted in a very juvenile album with little soul.

    Interesting, because isn’t pretty much everything on top 40 radio “juvenile”? Suggestive lyrics, songs about the effects of drugs, and about partying all the time – is that really considered “mature”? Personally I hope that David never changes, in personality or style, because he is such a breath of fresh air. This record is clearly a project that he put a lot of himself into and worked very hard to share himself with his listeners. In that regard he is already successful and the wringing of hands and declarations of complete failure are all incredibly premature.

  54. Well, this just about right in my estimate. If artists with hit songs on radio can’t sell albums, I was not expecting much with David. I am more surprised of Bruno’s number. I actually bought his album and it’s really good. I still maintain that “Falling Stars” will change the course of this album. I hope they release it sooner than later.

  55. Well, after this hopefully Arch will have learned his lesson and realized he’s not cut out for Pop-40 music. I have said all along that the moment he makes the switch over to Christian contemporary he’ll be a mega-star in that genre. His bland, virginal, awe-shucks, nice boy persona will actually work for him, not against him.

  56. Well, after this hopefully Arch will have learned his lesson and realized he’s not cut out for Pop-40 music. I have said all along that the moment he makes the switch over to Christian contemporary he’ll be a mega-star in that genre. His bland, virginal, awe-shucks, nice boy persona will actually work for him, not against him.

    As a fan of Contemporary Christian music, I don’t believe that David would fit there at all. Just being positive in your lyrics does not make you a Christian artist.

    However, I do find it a sad commentary on our culture that he is considered so odd because he doesn’t embrace the reckless lifestyle of so many artists. If that is all Top 40 is, then perhaps you are right and he should not try to embrace it. It’s kind of like hugging a porcupine. I gave up on Top 40 over ten years ago and Top 40 radio plays the same garbage constantly. I know that it is seen as something to aspire to, but I’m pretty sure that Top 40 is not where David belongs either.

    Now the question is, where does he fit?

  57. Well, after this hopefully Arch will have learned his lesson and realized he’s not cut out for Pop-40 music.

    David will be just fine. . . . If Pop-40 music means the garbage that is out there now, then he is NOT cut out for Pop-40 music. Once he starts touring, he will definitely pick up more sales. He barely got new management– didn’t have any for a long time. I guess that is his doing, but he is very particular about what he will and won’t do and how they handle him. It is actually amazing that anyone knew the album was coming out. It will all work out.

  58. Ya know, there are numerous factors at play here. And I don’t believe for a second that any of it has to do with the quality of the CD. This CD is miles ahead of the first in every sense, it’s getting very decent reviews, and is catching the eye of alot of non-fans. And not just teens.

    To me, a huge part of the problem is that David was out of the spotlight and off of radio for so long. (And no, “Crush” wasn’t just around for 3 months. It lasted a whole lot longer than that. My station was a starter station, and it was 6-8 months on there). While he was working on the Christmas album, the book, and TOSOD…Jive did absolutely squat to keep his name out there. They didn’t even try. If you’re marketing an artist to teens/tweens, you have to dangle them in front of their faces 24/7, or they’ll forget. Kids don’t have enough patience or long enough attention spans to wait things out in between CDs. I have no idea how Jive failed to understand their market, but they did.

    Secondly, David was without management for several months. He had no one around to go to bat for him or the songs. From what I understand, labels don’t push singles as much when the artist doesn’t have management in place. SBL received absolutely no promo except some minor radio interviews, and the album only started being promoted a few weeks ago. So the timing of that kind of sucked.

    David seems to have gotten decent management now, and they seem driven to make up for lost time and to promote him like he deserves. They’re gonna have to be, because like I said, his former mgmt completely failed in that department. I talk to sooo many people who would buy his music in an instant, if only they knew it existed.

    And his fanbase still consists of a variety of age groups, including, yes, screaming teens. Watching a crowd of 15K fans go nuts over him at Grand Rapids should be enough to let the critics know that he’s still got it, and he’s here for the long haul.

  59. >Once he starts touring, he will definitely pick up more sales.
    You may be right. He really is impressive in his live performances. Let’s hope he gets the opportunity to play a lot of cities.

  60. And p.s. Illegal downloading by a large percentage of his market also plays a huge part as well.

  61. Does anyone think that it would help or hurt David if they stopped streaming the CD over at AOL? Isn’t the idea to stream the CD before it’s available and then pull it so people go buy it because they want to hear it again?

    Also–I can’t believe that Today Show appearance was cancelled! It must have been Today’s scheduling issue because there is nothing on earth that could be more important for David than having 3 or 4 million people watch him sing a song and be reminded of why they voted their fingers off for him. So bummed.

  62. It does suck that the Today Show appearance was canceled. He was not supposed to perform for that one though; according to his management that was supposed to be an interview only. Still stinks.

    I’d love to see him perform on Leno or maybe even DWTS. Anything to let people know that he has new music out there.

    Just checked and his album is still sitting at #3(Deluxe) and #8(Regular) on the iTunes Pop chart and #10 on the Overall album chart. So while sales may not be a huge number, he’s obviously not doing horribly by comparison to what else is selling right now.

  63. Does anyone think that it would help or hurt David if they stopped streaming the CD over at AOL? Isn’t the idea to stream the CD before it’s available and then pull it so people go buy it because they want to hear it again?

    When are they going to take that off of there? Seems ridiculous to have that streaming now that the album is available for purchase.

    And p.s. Illegal downloading by a large percentage of his market also plays a huge part as well.

    Didn’t think of that. No sense of how much of it is going on. Stealing someone’s art = sad.

  64. David’s a nice kid but the lyrics of his album are trite and vanilla, and the songs sort of all sound the same.

    The lyrics on David’s cd may not be as “deep and meaningful” as such critically acclaimed songs like “Boom, Boom, Pow”, “Blah, Blah, Blah”, and “F*ck You”, but I am still very impressed with his latest effort. Especially the title track (LOVE, LOVE, LOVE IT!), Who I Am, Elevator, and Stomping the Roses. Oh and Good Place (this is my daughter’s fave, she has played it a bazillion times already), Falling Stars… well you get my point. ;)

    I was hoping for at least 30K for the first week but hey, maybe this cd will perform more like the tortoise than the hare.

  65. I expect that since Kris and Cook were THE American Idol and not a runner up, they will get much more airplay and promotion.

    Once the novelty of AI wears off, nobody cares about whether or not someone was on the show. In fact, at times PDs can go over board in discriminating against those who were on the show. The PDs want the alums to prove that there is an audience for their music, and that their base extends beyond those who just like them because they are reality tv stars. Some PDs look at idol alums as if they are just manufactured singers, and that they are only in this position because they appeared on tv.

    It’s up to the alums to establish themselves as legitimate artists, and to connect with people who actually like their music. If they don’t do that then they wind up selling 25K copies of their second cd during the first week of its release.

  66. Most current Pop artists in Archie’s age range are edgy in their personalities,and put out Pop/R&B-that’s what sells nowadays.In the 70’S ,he would have done a lot better, as the Barry Manilows ruled a lot of Top 40…

  67. While he was working on the Christmas album, the book, and TOSOD…Jive did absolutely squat to keep his name out there. They didn’t even try. If you’re marketing an artist to teens/tweens, you have to dangle them in front of their faces 24/7,

    Jive is the record label not his management/agents, who’s job is to promote him. I don’t know why he was without management for so long, but maybe the album should have been put on hold until he signed with his new managers, and they had time to come up with a marketing plan.

  68. If they don’t do that then they wind up selling 25K copies of their second cd during the first week of its release.

    There are many, many, many artist who would be happy if their 1st cd sold 25k period! There are many, many, many artist who do not even get to make a second cd. This is now David’s 3rd cd and there’s nothing that says this cd wont go on to sell more. I don’t think low first week sales is the end of a career (not David’s anyway). It’s not the end of the world.

  69. There are many, many, many artist who would be happy if their 1st cd sold 25k period!

    No there aren’t. In this market, there are many who would be happy with a first album selling 250,000 but not 25,000.

    Nobody said this is the end of David’s career or his world. This album could go on to do well if radio starts playing the singles, and if David continues to get promotion.

  70. What happened to Hodges,and Eman,anyway?”Crush” was a brilliantly written single,and was his only HUGE hit.And when I heard Archie sing the new Hodges and Eman song -Falling Stars-this morning on Regis,I honestly thought it was pedestrian,and boring.They are known to be top- drawer writers-I think they had a rare failure on that one. Archie had a real shot at a hit with SBL;imo,it was the best of the lot,most radio friendly,but it got very poor promo,and tanked.BTW,it was co- written by a new writer who has some positive buzz going named Chris DeStefano,and he is thought to be a new writer on the rise with real skillz…

  71. Hoping to see some airplay from this album. He’ll need it to sell albums and keep producing his music.

    David’s niche is pop at the moment, but he’s an incredible vocalist and interpreter and is headed for much bigger things in the future.

  72. This is sad, but I’m not really surprised.

    I don’t know what David, Jive and his people were thinking.
    David is supposed to be a pop artist and sadly, he doesn’t have the image to be a pop artist. He is just too wholesome, goody-two shoes guy. He is almost 20 now, so they can’t market him to teens anymore. But, his youthful appearance is preventing him to move on.
    I think he is just too wholesome for pop radio to embrace him. Crush did well, but first singles from Idol contestants usually do well because they are novelty. There was also something about “Crush” that made the song work for David. SBL was just average, so no wonder it flopped. I honestly don’t know what Jive can do for David now. They shouldn’t have left him write or co-write material for this album, he is just not a good songwriter. I don’t know how they can get him a decent amount of airplay with these songs.

    Sony’s strategy for Idols sucks. Contestants from earlier season didn’t even get singles before the album release. Now they do, but the music business is changing again.

  73. I’m another who always wonders, when I hear people talk about David’s juvenile lyrics, just what they are hearing out there that is more mature. Maybe Bruno’s song about what he does on his lazy days? Katy’s song about making out like a teenager? Sheesh.

    If his management can keep working to get him in front of people, particularly where he can perform live, his numbers could and should go up. That voice is phenomenal and unique, and David himself offers something that is not out there in the marketplace. That could be seen as a negative, yes, but it also could be seen as a positive. His fans love him for all of his quirky realness — it stands to reason that if more see and hear him, others will also respond.

  74. Not bad considering the current climate in the industry. Even artists with #1 singles are getting only 40-50K first week sales. David hasn’t even cracked the Top 40 chart. I haven’t heard Jive putting more than bare minimal effort into promoting this, so hitting 25K is pretty good.

  75. From personal interaction with the younger generation here in Salt Lake I know that the majority of the kids I talk to think that David is weird, geeky, childish, bland, and that the things he does and says are not what is embraced by most young adults his age. They thought it silly that he wrote a memoir, they shake their heads when they hear he is speaking to women’s groups, and they thought his Christmas album was intended for a very mature audience and didn’t relate to its content.

    So, for some, apparently the dichotomy with David is that he is still perceived as almost prepubescent and then he does stuff that is aimed at “enthralling” the over 40 set of conservative women.

    And man, how hard is that to market in this day and age.

  76. Once the novelty of AI wears off, nobody cares about whether or not someone was on the show. In fact, at times PDs can go over board in discriminating against those who were on the show. The PDs want the alums to prove that there is an audience for their music, and that their base extends beyond those who just like them because they are reality tv stars. Some PDs look at idol alums as if they are just manufactured singers, and that they are only in this position because they appeared on tv.

    It’s up to the alums to establish themselves as legitimate artists, and to connect with people who actually like their music. If they don’t do that then they wind up selling 25K copies of their second cd during the first week of its release.

    This is the harsh reality of those from AI. The show is based on making the most money from each year’s contestants using the momentum from the show, and IF any of them are able to successfully transition from mainly AI artists to the mainstream, then it’s all gravy for 19. Archie seems like a very nice guy, but he still seems like a kid to me, despite being 20 years of age. I hope that he finds the level of success that will make him happy.

    ETA:

    So, for some, apparently the dichotomy with David is that he is still perceived as almost prepubescent and then he does stuff that is aimed at “enthralling” the over 40 set of conservative women.

    And man, how hard is that to market in this day and age.

    The fact that they are still marketing Archie to a “mature” audience indicates that his fanbase is still primarily from the show (that fits the viewing demographic of AI) and that he hasn’t transitioned from AI to the mainstream.

  77. Crush was released less than 3 months after Idol ended, and right at the height of the Idol tour. I think that’s the main reason why the song sold really well.

  78. Crush was released less than 3 months after Idol ended, and right at the height of the Idol tour. I think that’s the main reason why the song sold really well.

    Nope, it was a legitimate Pop hit that reached top 20 on the pop chart. The amount that it sold and its radio success wouldn’t have happened if people didn’t actually like the song.

  79. Crush was an amazing song that caught on but not because of the AI novelty. I know people who at the time never even watched Idol but loved that song.

  80. The numbers aren’t spectacular, but i’m not really surprised. If this cd can steadily sell, I will be pleased for David.

    Regarding all of the doom and gloom about Jive potentially dropping David, I think Jive would be insane to let a talent like David loose. Out of curiousity, I was looking at the labels of the top 50 or so artists in the overall iTunes chart and the only JIVE person was David. Unless i’m missing some side company of Jive, who has an artist release out there.. I don’t really see Jive with many popular releases.

    Anyway, I think the only way to get David on the radio is to hook him up with a popular singer (like Jordin Sparks/Chris Brown duo). I’m sorry, but No Air propelled her only because of Chris Brown.. and THAT helped her sell cd’s. I think David needs that kind of duet to get him on the radio.

    Either way, it will be up to David and his label to make that happen. I know David would love to sing a duet w/ Natasha Beddingfield, but I think he needs a Katy Perry duet. UGH! Like that will happen.. lol.

  81. Thank you, chessguy. It’s like David is being held to some standard that nobody else is being held to. This is how the music industry is right now. Album sales are crappy. Even artists who have had massive sales before are under-performing. Artists that have had huge singles are not selling. Why are they not selling? I’m sure nobody is saying it has to do with who they are as a person. But of course David isn’t selling albums and it has to do with him being weird or strange.

    Pop radio is dominated by a select few artists who get massive play and the label has to really push new artists. And David is still a new artist. David doesn’t have the buzz he had when he came off of idol to get that interest. It’s been two years and he needed his label to really push his song. Not do the very least amount of effort that they could. It doesn’t have anything to do with David being “weird” or “strange” or his lyrics. His lyrics don’t have anything to do with it. “You make me feel like a teenage dream, the way you turn me on “isn’t some type of deep and mature lyric. Something Bout Love wasn’t so different from any of the other songs dominating pop radio today.

  82. “No there aren’t. In this market, there are many who would be happy with a first album selling 250,000 but not 25,000. ”

    Tell it to artists like Matt Morris who also struggle to get their music heard on radio stations. 25,000 is a big step towards the potential 250,000.. 500,000.. etc.

    This video strikes me in a big way. Matt Morris hearing his song for the first time on the radio. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQU3XLoci6s

    David Archuleta hearing Crush for the first time on the radio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C11SGgAW5rw

    This is what it’s all about. Selling 25,000 the first week IS big to some artists and for many it’s just the beginning.

  83. Artists that have had huge singles are not selling. Why are they not selling? I’m sure nobody is saying it has to do with who they are as a person. But of course David isn’t selling albums and it has to do with him being weird or strange.

    The truth is that most people don’t know who David is, don’t know that he has an album out, and don’t know what the songs sound like, so the sales numbers are not a knock against him or the music that he is releasing. I do think that Jive had and maybe will have trouble marketing him, even though he looks older now, two years ago, he looked like a twelve year old. His voice has also matured, but Jive still doesn’t seem to be sure if his market is adults or teens. I think his sound and image are better suited for HAC, but his age might make Jive and his managers want to market him to Pop.

  84. he does stuff that is aimed at “enthralling” the over 40 set of conservative women.

    I am neither over 40 nor conservative (I will have to cop to being a woman though lol) but I happen to highly enjoy David’s music. And I personally know many other people in their 20’s and 30’s who are loving this album. The idea that David’s fanbase is made of purely of teen/preteens and women in their 40s+ is simply untrue. Does he have fans in that fit that description? Sure. But he has fans of all ages, types and genders. Most musicians do. Because music speaks to the individual, not to their demographics.

    And I agree with Kris that the assumption that David’s album sales are a reflection on him personally is ridiculous. His album sales are a reflection of the music industry and lack of promo. Look at Bruno Mars — who will have the #1 new pop album this week. 40k-45k. And he’s everywhere right now. All over the radio, lots of appearances. It looks to me like David’s numbers are not that low by comparison. Comparing it to the first album — oh yeah, very low. But that’s comparing apples and oranges.

  85. The truth is that most people don’t know who David is, don’t know that he has an album out, and don’t know what the songs sound like, so the sales numbers are not a knock against him or the music that he is releasing.

    I agree with this. We can’t guess that the public is rejecting his image and his music if the public never actually gets to hear his music or see him in action all that much.

    There was some obvious problem with SBL… either Jive wasn’t pushing enough or PD just didn’t like it. Its hard to say. I think the problem was with PDs though, since Jive has seemed to move on quickly. I think the lack of management was also a problem with getting a coherent marketing/imaging plan going. So while I do understand the concern that he might be too wholesome for the market, I don’t know if the theory has really been tested yet. Bottom line is he doesn’t need everyone to like him, he just need enough people to like him so that he can turn a profit. Big difference.

    We’ll see what happens this Christmas. Coming back from a weak opening is not easy, but it is possible with some smart strategy and a bit of luck. Fingers crossed for Archie.

  86. “From personal interaction with the younger generation here in Salt Lake I know that the majority of the kids I talk to think that David is weird, geeky, childish, bland, and that the things he does and says are not what is embraced by most young adults his age.”

    WHAT?! I think it’s weird to poll Utah kids.

    David is not juvenile or weird. He is a person who is gaining in confidence and who respects life and humanity. What’s weird about that?

  87. I know that the sales of this album don’t have anything to do with the quality of the music. It also doesn’t have anything to do with David. It has to do with the fact that he isn’t on the radio and it hasn’t been promoted. People can’t buy what they don’t know is out there. Recently, I have seen a lot of tweets from people saying that they didn’t even know that David had an album. Or they didn’t even know that he was still singing. With David being off the radio for two years he needed to come back being heavily promoted. The way that Jive released SBL didn’t make any sense. It’s like they have been focused on promoting David in a way that spends the least amount of money and takes the least amount of effort. They have been so focused on David’s website and his mobile phone and who is that reaching?

  88. Now the question is, where does he fit?

    In a nice AC-ish, sometime-HAC-ish, maybe even classical-crossover-with-a-side-of-jazzy-lite, heavy on the touring to clubs and smallish theaters/concert halls niche that will develop over time?

    His projected numbers are still fine for a niche artist, which about 99 percent of musical artists are today anyway, seems to me. And as a niche artist, his music can be about music rather than being about the image and sound of the moment.

  89. No there aren’t. In this market, there are many who would be happy with a first album selling 250,000 but not 25,000.

    Beg to differ. There are *thousands* of very talented musicians who’d love to sell 25,000 out of the gate.

    I think we have a very warped view of how many actual musicians there are out there who do excellent work but get heard by only a tiny number of people, ever. In a country of over 300,000,000 there are many many very talented musicians and only the tiniest handful ever have a week of selling 25,000 albums. … And that does *not* mean that those we have heard of are any more talented than the thousands of struggling ones that we haven’t heard of. Quite a few are certainly more talented than the big names. But they never got the breaks or their personas didn’t fit the image and sound that was being pushed as “hot” by corporate powers that be at the moment they arrived.

    By virtue of his Idol fame, David — and all the other Idol alums — has a leg up on all this competition.

  90. Lol — my reaction was the same as yours, Oza. I’m a mom of teens who would never dream of polling their friends about their opinions of any musician, unless they brought it up.

  91. Well today’s music market does suck, and Archie doesn’t have any songs that are doing well on the radio, or a lot of publicity about his new album right now. And yes, the diminishing returns of Idol’s albums. So not unexpected to have numbers like this.

    Eh. If he can get some radio play, maybe he can get and sustain some decent album numbers. Not like if he gets 20-25K opening that is it for him.

  92. Who said I was polling peeps. I live in Salt Lake, David lives in Salt Lake. His songs are played on 107.9 pretty consistently. I talk to my nieces and nephews and children and grandchildren of friends. We talk about local peeps who are in the news.

    I’m not making any judgment about David…and I love his voice, just am not enamored with his current material.

    And my point is that it is difficult to promote someone like David. As much as we want to believe it is “all about the music” we all know that is a crock. A singer markets himself as well as his music. He needs to touch a chord with his audience. Young girls like to listen to Singers they have a crush on, young adults like to listen to Singers that they can identify with or who live lives they only dream about and who sing songs that touch a button in their lives.

    How many young adults will choose to listen to a song about an elevator that goes up and down…the lyrics are very trite.

    We can all say David doesn’t get promoted by Jive but what are they supposed to do when his current music is falling flat with consumers. You can’t force feed someone into listening or buying.

    And, like it or not, the tabloids and gossip press and weekly “rags” keep someone out there in front of the public but someone has to be interesting or be doing something to be noticed. David is being so low-key that he doesn’t register. If her were to take a girl to an event maybe then he would get his picture taken and into the press…and since he doesn’t want to he looses that opportunity. It may not be right but it is what it is when trying to keep your name in the public consciousness.

  93. And my point is that it is difficult to promote someone like David. As much as we want to believe it is “all about the music” we all know that is a crock. A singer markets himself as well as his music. He needs to touch a chord with his audience. Young girls like to listen to Singers they have a crush on, young adults like to listen to Singers that they can identify with or who live lives they only dream about and who sing songs that touch a button in their lives.

    For me, this just about sums it up. Trouble is, I don’t get the sense that David has any interest at all in being a person who touches this sort of chord in strangers.

    That being the case, I still maintain that he can develop a perfectly fine small-niche career for himself with a devoted fan following who really like his voice and his music. It will probably be indie, and it will probably be heavy on small-venue touring. And it will probably get him an upper-middle-class earning level, not riches. I don’t see anything wrong with that at all, but if one thinks that being a top-level finisher on Idol means you have to be a very popular musical artist, then I guess it could look like near-complete failure. It wouldn’t surprise me if David would look on such a career as being just fine, though.

  94. I agree with that, Lucy. There are trade-offs to the kind of superstar fame that some seem to recognize as the only level worth striving for, but David has said from the outset that he wouldn’t want any of that. The musicians he most admires don’t seem to be at that level, either.

  95. How is David a niche artist? He made an album with one or two pop tunes, but mostly aimed directly at HAC. I wouldn’t call that a niche artist, even if he has a small-ish core following at this point.

    Coming from someone completely unaware of David’s career and album, I listened to it a few times on the stream. And when I say unaware, I don’t even know Crush. The production feels dated to me, it reminds me of Clay’s first album. Fluffy but not particularly good or anything new and there’s definitely a coronation song type in there. But I don’t think the sunshiney lyrics or questionable production is the problem with sales. I just don’t think people know it’s out or have heard it. Because I didn’t like it doesn’t mean someone else might not.

    On the surface it looks easy to blame lack of promo, but there’s no guarantee Jive didn’t push SBL and radio pushed back harder. Unfortunately, it is the best pop song on the album. Certainly in line with Selena and the tween songs. And no worse than Ms. Swift’s mediocrity.

  96. How is David a niche artist? He made an album with one or two pop tunes, but mostly aimed directly at HAC. I wouldn’t call that a niche artist, even if he has a small-ish core following at this point.

    Sorry — didn’t make myself clear.

    I don’t think he’s a niche artist currently. I think the current (and past) stuff are basically an attempt to make him a highly popular artist.

    But because I don’t think he has — or is likely ever to have — a persona, image, or set of ambitions that really would fit him for being a real pop artist (even in the softer, HAC-ish pop area), while I *do* think that he has a voice, a musicianship, and a sensibility that he can probably develop into something very specifically David-Archuleta-ish, I think his future lies in developing that specific niche for himself, picking stuff and writing stuff based on his own motivations. I expect him to develop some kind of niche. He’s not pop. But most musical artists aren’t pop. So, by my definition, they’re pretty much all niche artists. Don’t see why he can’t be as well, since he does have a lot of talent and a demonstrated ability to attract a strong, if smaller, following.

    I see him as a future successful niche artist and, currently, as somebody who’s being pushed only semi-(or less)successfully as a pop artist, but who will soon decide — along with his label — that that’s not where he belongs. And then will start morphing into something new and more niche-y. Whatever that may end up being.

  97. “A singer markets himself as well as his music. He needs to touch a chord with his audience. Young girls like to listen to Singers they have a crush on, young adults like to listen to Singers that they can identify with or who live lives they only dream about and who sing songs that touch a button in their lives.”

    Image: socially aware.. polite.. honestly awkward.. personable – CHECK

    Connection: ear piercing screams at events/concerts, audience crying.. standing O’s – CHECK

    Crushes: DOUBLE CHECK! I recall many a DJ lady wanting to sully him up and don’t get me started on the pre-teens and teens.

    Dream Life: good looking, well traveled, lots of GOOD friends, well respected, sought after, great smile, awesome positive personality, millionaire…. did i say CHECK?

    I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t mind this life. There are plenty of people who stay out of the tabloids that live well respected, happy and financially successful lives. That’s all I personally want for David. I don’t want him or his family and friends (and future kids) splashed all over the “rags”. That isn’t a life worth living for monetary gain.

  98. LOL Oza. Again I’m with you, but at least we know that if we want tix to the MoTab Christmas concert, there’s one Utahn who won’t be competing for the coveted tickets.

  99. David has had three albums completed by the age of 20. He is signed by a major record label (JIVE) and now is managed by a major music management group (WEG). They both appear to be very committed to him. I think he is doing pretty good. I bet those “Salt Lake Kids” would love to change places with him for just one day. David will have the last laugh at anyone who mocked his talent. He has an artist that will do well for a long time.

  100. KathyH.. man.. I would love to go to another of his Christmas concerts. I hope he does another xmas tour. :)

  101. It’s only in the idol world that debuting with 25k sales is seen as “bad”.
    Seriously, many artists would kill for that.

  102. Actually David is doing very well and has been productive throughout American Idol and ever since. He has completed his third album, wrote a book, done numerous concerts both Pop and Christmas in addition to multiple charitable events. The record deal was offered to him the night of the finale and this past year he was offered the book deal and accepted both contracts. He is sought after by family oriented eventa and charitable causes because he and his music are appropriate for all ages. My nieces and a few nephews like David and his music and I had the honor of taking them to a concert which they enjoyed along with their adult moms and my sister in law. (we covered the ages 10 through 71) I’m glad we had that opportunity because one of my nieces was killed in an auto accident the following winter. I still remember the smile she has on her face when she told me she enjoyed the concert.

    I find it interesting that there are so many hits for this article which could be considered bad news compared to the hits when there’s postive news for David. hmmmm!

  103. How many young adults will choose to listen to a song about an elevator that goes up and down…the lyrics are very trite.

    Actually, my 21 year old daughter is an avid fan of David’s music. As I mentioned in a previous post, Good Place is her absolute favorite on this album and she like Elevator too. In fact, the only song she doesn’t care for is Things Are Gonna Get Better (I even have issues with how they used the Gospel choir (what were they thinking?)). BTW, I have nephews who loved David’s debut cd. The 14yo took over the cd I gave to his sister and I ended up giving the 11yo one because he keep playing Touch My Hand when he stayed a week with me. Also, one of my daughter’s friends from high school is an avid David fan. These are all young African Americans (aka Black) who have no problem with David’s image or lyrics.

  104. How many young adults will choose to listen to a song about an elevator that goes up and down…the lyrics are very trite.

    I think “Elevator” has more meaning behind it than just the image of an elevator going up and down. I kind of like the abstract aspect of it and I think the imagery is quite genius. David to me was trying to decide what new management team he was going to pick and in part what direction is he going with his music. You know how your dreams sometimes overlap with your everyday life, that is what I got out of it. Sometimes trying to choose the right path for your future can be frustrating and difficult. Whatever David sings, he never cease to put his heart and soul into it. I see a lot of double meaning in all of his songs. :) Anyway I love this album and I only hope the best for it and that it gets the recognition it deserves. Congrats to David again! :)

  105. From personal interaction with the younger generation here in Salt Lake I know that the majority of the kids I talk to think that David is weird, geeky, childish, bland, and that the things he does and says are not what is embraced by most young adults his age.

    As much as we want to believe it is “all about the music” we all know that is a crock. A singer markets himself as well as his music. He needs to touch a chord with his audience. Young girls like to listen to Singers they have a crush on, young adults like to listen to Singers that they can identify with or who live lives they only dream about and who sing songs that touch a button in their lives

    I’ve been to Adam’s hometown, and haven’t met anyone there who’s exactly thrilled with him, either. So the words of a few locals don’t reflect the world’s perception. And believe me, David does touch a chord with his audience, and ppl identify with his songs. Just read the YT comments about Crush, and the twitter comments from those who’ve listened to this album. Listen to the deafening screams when he appeared on the Teen Choice Awards, and to 15K people chanting his name in Grand Rapids recently, mostly teens. Watch the video of 1K people waiting in line in NYC to have David sign his book for them. Tell all of those people that what David says and does can’t be embraced by them, because he’s just weird.

    This is all on Jive for not pushing his songs as much as they knew would be necessary when someone’s been “gone” for two years. On incompetent prior management and lack of management at a time when he needed it the most. And on the fact that some songs on this album are leaning more HAC than CHR. That’s all.

  106. I’m in college and I love every song on TOSOD, including Elevator. I think the lyrics of his songs are a breath of fresh air compared to what the themes are of 95% of “hit radio songs” today. I love David’s personality, I love his attitude towards life. He’s my favorite Idol ever. I’m definitely going to his tour, so long as I can logistically.

  107. Interesting conversation.

    “From personal interaction with the younger generation here in Salt Lake I know that the majority of the kids I talk to think that David is weird, geeky, childish, bland, and that the things he does and says are not what is embraced by most young adults his age.”

    Had to throw my 2 cents in here as I am also a Utahn with a tween, a teenager and two college students in our family. I also work extensively with youth groups in the schools and in the churches here in Utah. I am sure you will see both the lovers and the haters anywhere you go, including Utah, but I rarely hear any of the negative responses alluded to in the previous post…on the contrary, I hear a lot of admiration, respect, and downright “crushin” on their fellow Utah boy. There’s a lot of talk about how they love that he’s not afraid to just be himself without trying to be all cool and something he’s not. If you’ve ever attended one of his concerts here in Utah, there’s no worries about any love lost…there may be a bit of worry about hearing loss though!

  108. I really don’t understand why it is difficult to grasp that, yes, some teens will think that David is weird/uncool but that others will think he is admirable and (thus) a different version of cool. People are different, period. Teenagers are different. If he gets enough exposure, some will respond positively. I think he knows his own limitations, but he’s willing to be who he is knowing that some kids out there will be glad to know about him and may be encouraged by what he presents to the world.

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