American Idol Finale Rehearsal Behind the Scenes: Let’s Make it Clear, Danny Gokey Loves Michael Sarver in the “Godly” Way

Cute behind the scenes video from Michael Sarver of the American Idol Top 13 (minus Adam and Kris) rehearsing for the finale.

Except that part where Danny Gokey tells Michael that he “loves him to pieces” but in the right (he catches himself–too late!) er, “Godly” way.

Ugh.

So glad Danny’s not in the final.

ETA: And somebody must be surfing the internet!!! Because the video has been deleted from Michael’s MySpace page and replaced with this.

Seriously guys, you thought that remark was OK? Are you surprised that fans are reacting negatively? SERIOUSLY? What were you thinking?

ETAA: Michael Sarver responds on his MySpace after deleting the video:

May 18, 2009 11:49 AM
Just want to say to those offended by this video that I am sorry you were offended. I did not intend that. In a world where I love u between guys can mean more then one thing we just wanted to clarify the status of our relationship. It had nothing to do with passing judgement.

“Clarify the status of our relationship” LOLz The fact that you felt the need to “clarify” is pretty sad… As if anybody would mistake you two chuckleheads for gay.

ETAAA: YAY! Somebody smart upload it to You Tube!

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400 Comments

  1. I always loved Michael’s upbeat personality. And love is something you don’t need to clarify.

  2. What’s wrong with what Danny said? :) He loves Michael. :) That’s good. :) They are friends. GO GOKEY! :)

  3. I love Scott, Matt and Anoop. Why was Alexis out at #11?

    And I def have seen enough Danny for the rest of my life. (And I thought I was over it.) It must be some kind of a bio-chemical response. “love in the Godly way” WTF. That was Danny at his best!

  4. I wonder how there is a wrong way to love somebody or an ungodly way? Love by definition is a good thing. I do understand that you can love somebody as a friend or family member or as a lover, but to me what he said was totally different.

  5. Dear Danny,
    If you want to be a homophobic tool, leave my name outta it. I mean, really.
    Not amused,
    God
    P.S. Dream On….bwahahaha. I’m so glad I created YouTube.

  6. I wonder how there is a wrong way to love somebody or an ungodly way?

    Particularly when “God is love.” :-)

    ETA: LOL love ya (in every way), sunchick!

  7. He loves Michael in a pure way, not in any other way.
    No matter how anyone spins it, God’s way is God’s way!

  8. I’m not a Danny fan by any means but, ehh, I don’t see anything wrong with what he said. He slipped with his words a bit. Everybody does. No biggie. (By the way, I’m pro gay rights).

    I <3 Allison.

  9. I really don’t like Danny, never did – is it possible to dislike him any more? I know ungodly of me…

  10. I have been thinking to myself, that I cant hate someone I don’t even know. Well now I offically hate Gokey. Why did he need to throw that crack in there. What if they were talking about Black versus White people? Or why arent people all over Christian versus Jew??? Why Why?? I effing dont care what the hell Adam is or Kris for that matter, I just wanna hear the BOYS sing!!!! Like Adam said its all about the music, I am hating that all this crap is coming out a day before the finals, and I guess it probably is gonna get worse. Kris and Adam dont seem to care, that’s what’s so great about the final 2. Maybe we can crown both of them AI winners, cause the vote was tie! :clap_tb: :thumbup_tb: :jittery_tb: :lol_tb:

  11. Danny- step away from the 17 year old girl. Move quietly away, resist the temptation to pick her up or maul her. It feels creepy.

  12. Ugh Gokey, Im trying to cut you some slack but you make it JUST.SO.DIFFICULT. >.

  13. OK, you know all those supportive things I’ve been posting about Danny for the past two weeks?

    Strike those. The guy’s a TOOL. Ugh!!!!!!!

    But this video is really cute, otherwise.

  14. So these are the finale rehersals right??? Does this mean we going to be getting any song spoilers today??? :)

  15. Where is Adam???

    He and Kris are preparing for Tuesday still. And loving each other the right way.

  16. I’m just thinking about the comments we’re going to get all summer w/ the various tour stops. I can see it now. Fans thronging all around the busses. The Idols coming out to give autographs. And whereever Gokey goes to sign, he hears “Danny – where is Adam? Danny – can you ask Adam to come out?” LOL. Danny will get just as sick of that as Daughtry did.

  17. It seems like Danny is always trying to be careful with everything he responds with. Like in the lightening round of Q&A with all the contestants — he took alot of time with his anwers, and even changed because he thought that may not have been the right thing to say. He is not very articulate, so that could be one of his problems.

    Also, when he can’t retract things he has said, some things really do come out bad.

  18. LMAO @ sunchick!

    I said this in the headlines thread but I’m willing to give Danny a pass on this one. It looks like he caught himself and tried to correct it. At least he hesitated. I think he may be still learning about this kind of stuff. It can take a minute if you’ve never really had to think about it before because you’ve never been in an environment where you really know gay people, and therefore had to seriously think about how your words may come across. I’m willing to give him some time.

  19. Why would he even feel the need to clarify? Did he really think peeps would assume he and Sarver were romantically involved? Completely clueless socially.

  20. If not for his comment, I at least feel a little weirded out by him (a 29 year old man) with his hands all over Allison.

    Back off Danny!

  21. How do you quote someone? I want to respond to calimari. I agree with what you said. I felt so bad for Matt G. when he got voted off. Every one of his interviewers asked him about Adam. I’m sure he loved that. Also, when Matt should have been getting all the attention, the focus was on Adam being in the bottom.

  22. Where is Adam???

    He and Kris are preparing for Tuesday still. And loving each other the right way.

    Exactly.

    …and I agree, Danny, hands off Allison! If he keeps that up he’s going to get it where it hurts. Geez……..

  23. Cute video!! LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Matt, Anoop, and Alexis! Why couldn’t she make tour? :( So sad!

  24. It can take a minute if youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve never really had to think about it before because youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve never been in an environment where you really know gay people, and therefore had to seriously think about how your words may come across. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m willing to give him some time.

    How much time would he need, I mean, he’s had time to fall in love with Sarver after all. :-)

    But seriously, he’s lived with these peeps for nearly 5 months now, right?

    I hear what you’re saying, and Danny did try to catch himself, so slight pass to the Gokester. After all, Sarver’s the one that made it about God… kicking it up a notch…

  25. I think it is just hysterical that the very week/day- almost the very hour that fans were beginning to soften on Gokey he has to go and put his foot in it again. If he and Sarver talk like this with a camera rolling I don’t even want to think what they say when they are alone.

    I truly look forward to the day (September 15, is it?) that I never have to hear another word from either of these people again. They are divisive and judgemental and I have no room for either of them in my life.

  26. Stupid thing to say… but from past interviews and seeing Danny talk – that’s the way he is. He just lets these things slip out. Right way -_-.

  27. Did you hear Allison, teasing Danny, “look at me I’m Danny Gokey”… hilarious.

    That’s just before he picks her up (again? Gokey, can you interact with the girl without being physically abusive?)

  28. Oh Lord, (sawry :)), this is so uncomfortable to hear. I am soooo glad Danny was not the winner. What was AI *gonna* do with him after he won and was no longer looking for votes. What the *ell was AI going to do with his prophetizing…. He said he can now be himself….well, Danny, your true colors are showing……and for many, this is such a turn off.
    This is a reality show….. a singing contest. I care not what color, sexual preference, religion..a contestant is….just sing! And I don’t care what your beliefs are……just SING!
    I am so glad he is out of here!

  29. I see that Allison is continuing to have absolutely no personality. :rolleyes_tb:

    Geez…I’ll take her over pageant girls any day.

  30. I give Danny a pass because I still have his heartfelt sing-out performance on my mind. And I’m probably the only one, but I was excited to see Megan again. Heh.

  31. Hah, they deleted the video. I’m glad I got to see Danny’s homophobic remarks for myself before the video was taken down.

  32. The sad thing is neither Michael nor Danny thought that their comment could be offensive or incorrect to edit it or delete it and start filming again, they tought it was ok. The rest of the video is cute and Allison is hilarious!! lol.

  33. You knew that video had to be taken down. Not a big surprise Danny felt he had to qualify his love for Sarver. Whatever, he’s not in the finale so I’m not going to rag on him anymore, I’m just glad my boy Kris has even the smallest chance of getting that record deal!

    I didn’t think the Idols could have their myspace pages up…didn’t they all take their’s down last season? Maybe it was just too much of a pain for them, and I guess Sarver has been out of the competition for a while.

  34. Video has officially been deleted.

    Oh wowà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ interestingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    Yep but it’s too little too late!

    How many buses do they use for the tour? I somehow doubt Danny and Sarver will be on any bus that Adam, Kris and Allison are on.

  35. Wow. They live very sheltered lives. Sad to see, but hopefully they have always been respectful toward Adam. It’s stuff like this that shows Adam is inherently an underdog. Maybe this is why the show pimped him so much, in addition to his talent.

  36. There are certain branches of religion that believe strongly homosexuality is immoral. I suspect that the religion that Danny grew up with is of the mindset. That Danny had the sense to try to catch himself is perhaps a glimmer of hope that he is at least aware that his years of indoctrination that there is a “right” and “wrong” way for men to love each other may not be so widely accepted. I would wager that Adam is the first openly gay person Danny has spent any time with. Hopefully he is learning, albeit in his clumsy way, to question his old beliefs and think anew about what his years of church training have told him. At least I hope that’s the case

  37. How many buses do they use for the tour? I somehow doubt Danny and Sarver will be on any bus that Adam, Kris and Allison are on.

    IMO, Danny needs a bus of his own .. and some good strong duct tape.

  38. So if you love guys in “a godly” way, how do you love women? Sorry, Danny…you fell right into that. Get over yourself man, and stop pawing teenaged girls (Allison).

  39. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Danny saying that!
    Why bring this up even for a post?
    Sorry MJ, but you have a biased agenda. Nice way to stir up more hate for the poor guy.

    homophobic- You know this word was not even a word til someone invented it in recent times.

    And for the record, just because someone does not believe or agree with homosexuality, does not mean they are afraid of it because its different or they are haters.
    Its because they do not go along with a brainwashed society who has swallowed the lie that it is ok and just fine to have sexual relations of the same sex. The belief is sex between a man and woman.
    As it has been spoken , no hate to homosexuals, just the act, which is not approved by God according to His Word, no matter how man tries to make it so. It will never be so.
    Sorry to offend, but it is what it is.
    God is and always will be love.

  40. deleted, but too late; I saw that p.o.s. making stupid – and he clearly said “in a good…er, in the right way…er (whereupon Sarver jumps in with the lovely “in a godly way” line) ugh…I’m thinking God’s embarrassed.
    I’m sure Adam’s had to put up with whispers, giggles and crap from this tool all spring, he’s just such a sweetie he won’t make an issue of it – so glad Danny’s out…. and could he not keep his paws off the little girl!!?! ugh

  41. I’ll be glad when this season is over. It’s as bad as the election. People believe what they believe. If someone doesn’t condone homosexuality because of their beliefs that is their right. If someone does it’s their right. The internet is all a twitter about this. Geesh bring back “I hate so and so because he/she was in the bottom 3 with my fav and my fav got knocked out.” This gives me such a freakin’ headache.

    Intolerance: lack of toleration; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs

    I’d say their is a whole lot more intolerance by Adam fans (not necessarily on this board in particular) than by Danny Gokey and Michael Sarver.

  42. think it is just hysterical that the very week/day- almost the very hour that fans were beginning to soften on Gokey he has to go and put his foot in it again.

    That is sooo true. This kid has a serious case of foot in mouth desease.

    Let me preface this with the fact that I am liberal and strongly support gay rights. With that said..

    I live in an area that is predominantly inhabited by conservative Christians, and this type of exchange would be normal in this light. I would hazzard to guess that most of the strongly religeous guys/gals out of this bunch would have some problem with homosexuality. It wouldn’t mean that they didn’t like Adam, but you’ve got to remember that their relgious beliefs/upbringing would teach them that it is wrong. However, I will say that Danny really tends to have a problem keeping his mouth shut, whereas others might think it, but not say it. I mean, really, there was no need.

    I really don’t get the sense that he doesn’t like Adam. Danny on Adam: “Adam, he’s just a great guy. I really can’t fault him on anything. I think Adam is who he is onstage and who he is offstage. He’s very creative, he dresses creative, he talks from that perspective.”

    If he really didn’t like the guy, I don’t think he would include the “great guy. I can’t fault him on anything” statement.

    OT but, his thoughts on Kris: “One thing in my book about Kris is that he’s very mellow, and that’s one character trait I’ve always wanted. I’m an intense personality at times.”

    Interesting that the video disappeared.

  43. homophobic- You know this word was not even a word til someone invented it in recent times.

    You know no word was a word until somebody invented it in recent times. I’m a believer in evolution, so all words are very recent. I’m also a believer in creationism. I believe God created evolution.

  44. The video was not okay. And for so many people to say it was, goes to show you what people like Adam still face today. If you’ve been around the net and talking to people you see that Adam cannot win because there really still are these feelings about sexuality.

    I’m sure Adam’s heard worse. I think the tour is going to suck for him with these people. I hope he wins so he’ll get some respect from them.

  45. cay if Adams wins that would be awesome for him but I don’t think winning is going to make people respect him that may not already.

  46. You know no word was a word until somebody invented it in recent times. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a believer in evolution, so all words are very recent. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m also a believer in creationism. I believe God created evolution.

    But God’s Word does not change.

  47. Seriously guys, you thought that remark was OK? Are you surprised that fans are reacting negatively? SERIOUSLY? What were you thinking?
    =======================================
    Hmmm strange MJ. I thought you said that it’s against the rules to be finger wagging? You broke your own rule!

  48. I read that Adam said that Danny and him have agreed to disagree. That should be the end of it. If the two of them are fine with it, why is everyone else all worried about it? Each of them have the right to their own beliefs and can say whatever they want including Michael – which is why we all have freedom of speech.

    Go Adam!

  49. God is and always will be love.

    . . . unless that love is between two men or two women?

    It is entirely within someone’s right to disagree with homosexuality, just like it’s entirely in my right to actively dislike someone who evidently has to clarify that his love is ‘Godly’ rather than, y’know, the other kind of depraved gaysex love. At any rate, I treat homophobics the same way I treat sexists and racists – it’s essentially an unfounded prejudice towards an entire population based on something that’s not their choice (the Bible also says that wives should be entirely subservient to their husbands, but who here agrees with that?). If that makes me intolerant, then so be it.

  50. I don’t think it’s an attack on Adam and I think Adam will survive sharing a bus with them.

    All the video shows is that at the back of their minds, they see a ‘right’ godly way and a wrong ungodly way to love someone. . Not everyone is fully open to the idea of homosexuality.

  51. Yes, it is definitely Danny’s ‘right’ to not approve of or joke about homosexuality if he wants, but it’s also mine to dislike it. These are real people he’s hurting, and I don’t think there’s anything cool or christian about it

  52. Why would he even feel the need to clarify? Did he really think peeps would assume he and Sarver were romantically involved? Completely clueless socially.

    Exactly … I very much doubt there was one person watching that video who thought that Danny and Michael were shagging. How very sad for someone to feel that they can’t openly express love and genuine affection for someone of the same sex without thinking that people would think they were doing it … and even if they were, who cares ?..

    Perhaps this is why I don’t “get” religion, expecially extreme religion.

  53. And for the record, just because someone does not believe or agree with homosexuality, does not mean they are afraid of it because its different or they are haters.
    Its because they do not go along with a brainwashed society who has swallowed the lie that it is ok and just fine to have sexual relations of the same sex. The belief is sex between a man and woman.
    As it has been spoken , no hate to homosexuals, just the act, which is not approved by God according to His Word, no matter how man tries to make it so. It will never be so.

    Yeah, but that is not really the point. I don’t think anyone believes that devoutly religious Kris has changed his beliefs, yet no one is inferring he’s homophobic. The difference is being respectful of people, and learning to communicate in ways that does imply love and consideration for everyone, especially those you consider friends. This is the Christian thing to do.

    Besides, feeling the need to automatically clarify a simple statement about loving your (clearly straight, married, also christian) friend would constitute a hypersensitivity that someone would *gasp* think you were *gasp* gay, which in and of itself says more about your insecurities and attitudes to anyone around you than you may realize.

  54. OT but, his thoughts on Kris: à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“One thing in my book about Kris is that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s very mellow, and thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s one character trait Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve always wanted. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m an intense personality at times.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    He doesn’t come off as intense to me. He reminds me of a kid who doesn’t have any impulse control: blurting out what’s on their mind, not resisting handling another person when it’s not appropriate, etc.

  55. And to think, I was almsot feeling kind of sorry for Danny. Or thinking maybe he wasn’t the douchenozzle I thought he was. Thanks to Michael and Danny for clearing that up for me and confirming, yep, I’m right not to like this guy. And Michael, you’re there now as well. I am glad that Adam doesn’t have to put up with hanging around a guy who think that there is a “right way, Godly way,” to loving your fellow man (and yes, all of the iterations of that) for all the final stuff and instead will be sharing that, and nail polish messages, with Kris.

    And Danny? Put the teen down. Yes, I know that you might think of her as a your sibling, and yes, she was teasing you, but she’s not your sibling and she’s 16/17 years old. Get a clue.

  56. Danny stuck his foot in his mouth, as usual. Big deal. I don’t think he was trying to insult Adam (or Jorge, or whoever). He and Micahel were probably brought up very sheltered and didn’t realize what they said could cause a problem.

    If they believe homosexuality is wrong, that’s fine. It doesn’t make them homophobic. It doesn’t mean they don’t like Adam. They’re just following their religion and maintaining their own personal beliefs. Could they have worded it better? Yes, but I tend to think at least Danny is somewhat socially awkward so I’ll cut him some slack. I really don’t think they meant any harm.

  57. How many buses do they use for the tour? I somehow doubt Danny and Sarver will be on any bus that Adam, Kris and Allison are on.

    They’ll probably have their own godmobile with Jesus taking the wheel that they can preach out of :rolleyes_tb:

  58. The video is up on youtube if anyone missed it:

    ETA: nevermind, MJ beat me to it. ;)

  59. Comments like Danny’s are made out of ignorance.
    He probably never ever knew a gay before Adam.
    If he going into the music/entertainment business, he is going to come across many more and hopefully his attitude will change.

    I am almost more offended by his manhandling of Allison…yuck.

    And the video is gone!

  60. The bible was written by men, many of them, and unless they had a tape recorder of what Jesus said, it is interpreted. I can’t take the bible literally. It flys in the face of all reason to me.

    Just one example, Adam and Eve had two sons. Cain killed Abel. They sent Abel away. Years later he comes back with a wife. Where the hell did she come from?

  61. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Danny saying that!

    I disagree. First Danny was freaked out because people might assume he loved Michael in a homosexual way. Then in an effort to make it clear that they did not have those types of feelings for each other, Danny and Michael implied that homosexual love between two men is wrong and ungodly. I, personally, am not down with that kind of attitude. Sorry.

  62. Agree with tinawina and karenw posts above completely; well said.
    the kind of attitude in the video is why I gave up on organized religion – God is great, but people suck.

  63. Michael post to the video

    May 18, 2009 11:49 AM
    Just want to say to those offended by this video that I am sorry you were offended. I did not intend that. In a world where I love u between guys can mean more then one thing we just wanted to clarify the status of our relationship. It had nothing to do with passing judgement.

  64. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d say their is a whole lot more of intolerance by Adam fans (not necessarily on this board in particular) than Danny Gokey and Michael Sarver.

    Respectfully, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. For me, tolerating intolerance is unacceptable in this country. If everyone adopted that sort of complacent, accepting attitude, we’d never have equal rights for all people — for instance, neither women, nor people of color would vote or be allowed the privileges previously reserved only for white males. And, we’d not need an active Civil Rights Division at the Dept. of Justice to protect equal rights.

    But Godà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Word does not change.

    Respectfully, no. It does change. Many differences exist between the Old and New Testaments. And, more pertinently, it changes with every interpretation of meaning and application given it by the humans who read it.

    But, to my mind, NONE of this had anything at all to do with the video or the exchange between Danny and Michael, which reflected a fear that “their love” might be misinterpreted as homosexuality causing them to openly qualify their love lest there be any doubt. The fear is the phobia, the homosexuality is the homo, hence the term “homophobia.”

    (That they threw “God” into the flame, just made it burn that much hotter.)

  65. Michael post to the video

    May 18, 2009 11:49 AM
    Just want to say to those offended by this video that I am sorry you were offended. I did not intend that. In a world where I love u between guys can mean more then one thing we just wanted to clarify the status of our relationship. It had nothing to do with passing judgement.

    lol .. oh dear … dig that hole a bit deeper Michael .. do you honestly think for one minute that anyone watching that video thought that you and Danny were an item? ….. I can’t believe two grown men are acting in this way ..it’s like a couple of 7 year olds at school not wanting to be called gay. Danny and Michael are either extremely naive or incredibly stupid.

  66. Hmmm strange MJ. I thought you said that ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s against the rules to be finger wagging? You broke your own rule!

    Re-read it. I’m chastising Michael and Danny for their complete stupidity.

    That IS allowed.

  67. The video is up on youtube if anyone missed it:

    ETA: nevermind, MJ beat me to it. ;)

    I expect very shortly we’ll be getting an announcement of additional restrictions on contestant’s myspace, facebook and twitter accounts.

  68. I understand how easy it is to hate on Danny because of his perceived douchebaggery, but for the sake of accuracy, Danny does say “right,” but it’s actually Sarver that initially says “Godly” – Danny then agrees by repeating it.

  69. Took me a while to get what was so bad about it. I think it’s pretty bad.

    Speaking of the rest of the video, where were Adam and Kris? And lol @ Allison.

    But Lil has her long hair, so I assume this was taken pretty recently and Adam and Kris may have needed to practice or anything.

  70. I don’t think it was meant as an insult, but it is totally symptomatic of rural American’s naivete. They are products of their straight-laced communities, where conformity is the norm and individuality is a one way ticket to the urban areas.

    I grew up in Minnesota, a well known liberal blue state. But the minute you leave any city, it changes. There is a major difference in culture.

    It really isn’t their fault, and I doubt any offense was meant, but it does put the eye on cultural attitudes in rural America.

  71. Move over South Beach diet. Danny Gokey has the newest diet around “Foot in Mouth”. :lol_tb:

  72. did anyone mention michael sarver’s response to this? LMFAO
    please look at this ..

    May 18, 2009 11:49 AM
    Just want to say to those offended by this video that I am sorry you were offended. I did not intend that. In a world where I love u between guys can mean more then one thing we just wanted to clarify the status of our relationship. It had nothing to do with passing judgement.

    wow thanks for making sure everyone knows that adam didnt “convert you to his ways of sin” GOOD JOB!

  73. Simon and Ryan do this kinda thing every single year on the show. I don’t see anyone so offended that they don’t stop watching the show or sit around and talk about how terrible Simon and Ryan are.

    I mean, I think it’s rediculous to have to qualify your “love” like that. At the same time I don’t think this means that they hate or are intolerant of Adam. It’s being blown out of proportion, imo.

  74. God’s Word doesn’t change. Man changes.
    This politically correct world is nonsense. There is no reason for any apologies from Michael or Danny. The truth is the truth.
    And I have not seen where Danny has been disrespectful of Adam. I’m sure he is praying for Adam to see the light and get saved.

  75. I support people’s right to speak, and freedom of religion or not to follow any religion. But I don’t have to support people who have a public platform being ignorant or hateful. And, frankly, I don’t need to excuse it.

    The harshest thing that I have ever heard Adam say is that he and Danny agreed to disagree. I don’t care to know what has gone on between Danny and Adam, but if this is what Danny says on camera, I can only imagine what he says in private.

    We know that Adam looks at the Internet. We know that he has to have seen some of the hateful comments about him that are all over the place. I can’t imagine how it feels to read this kind of stuff. I think that it must take a lot of courage to handle it all with grace, politeness and a smile.

    And, while I’m on a soapbox, I also have enormous respect for Kris. He’s had the courage to confront this hate with a message of friendship and solidarity that is more like the Evangelical Christians I know.

    I’ll vote for Adam, because he’s the singer that I will pay to see in concerts and whose records I will buy. But if I had the opportunity to vote for a tie, I would. And I think that if there was a Kradam option, America might pick it too.

  76. First Danny was freaked out because people might assume he loved Michael in a homosexual way. Then in an effort to make it clear that they did not have those types of feelings for each other, Danny and Michael implied that homosexual love between two men is wrong and ungodly. I, personally, think that to accept that kind of attitude is accepting intolerance, even if ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s on a very small à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“harmlessà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  scale, and that, to me, is wrong.

    This. Exactly this. I personally didn’t just see them or excuse them for just ‘joking around.’ And I for one don’t care how ‘sheltered,’ their lives were. Not as if they haven’t heard of gay people and they know they have been rooming with one for months now. An no, being around a gay man doesn’t corrupt people or cause them to catch a case of teh gayz, wherein Danny and Michael need to clarify that that their loving each other to pieces, was still going to be in the “right,” and “godly,” way. Don’t worry guys! The recruitment drive to turn all people teh gayz happens in fall.

  77. May 18, 2009 11:49 AM
    Just want to say to those offended by this video that I am sorry you were offended. I did not intend that. In a world where I love u between guys can mean more then one thing we just wanted to clarify the status of our relationship. It had nothing to do with passing judgement.

    :rolleyes_wp: If there was a smiley for *digging deeper* I’ll use it. An apology would suffice. The need to clarify just demonstrates that that is how you feel about the “love between two guys”. You are entitled to what you think – but that is judging actually.

    Ugh… this reminds me of grade school. “I like this.” – “then why don’t you MARRY it!!”

  78. So now when I say I love MJ and her blog, I need to clarify the status of our relationship? When I say I love avocados, I must mention that I love them in a Godly way?

  79. May 18, 2009 11:49 AM
    Just want to say to those offended by this video that I am sorry you were offended. I did not intend that. In a world where I love u between guys can mean more then one thing we just wanted to clarify the status of our relationship. It had nothing to do with passing judgement.

    wow thanks for making sure everyone knows that adam didnt à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“convert you to his ways of sinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  GOOD JOB!

    Oh my God. Doesn’t he see that by feeling the need to “clarify the status” of their relationship is, in and of itself, a deep seeded fear of being labeled “gay”?

    Insecure in your masculinity much?

  80. I don’t really think it’s a big deal. Guys joke about not being gay all the time. And I should know….I’m a guy. lol And that certainly doesn’t make him homophobic (a word that gets thrown around WAY too often). But I guess that since Gokey is now in the public eye, he’s being held to a higher standard.

  81. Because…if he had just said “I love you to pieces” everyone would have thought that they were in a homosexual relationship…right? Thanks for clarifying you Douchekey!

  82. we just wanted to clarify the status of our relationship.

    Darn. Does this mean no Endless Love duet on tour?

  83. And, while Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m on a soapbox, I also have enormous respect for Kris. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s had the courage to confront this hate with a message of friendship and solidarity

    As did his family. And I applaud them all. Living by example, with courage, compassion, and connection, not judgment, rejection and condemnation. That’s what I’m talking about!

  84. Oh man, Michael. Just dig deeper.

    Well, at least I now remember who he is instead of constantly forgetting who that last person on the tour is.

  85. Ugh, what’s with all these contestants derogatory digs against
    Adam?
    I just hope Adam gets to bunk on the girls bus during the tour.

  86. penzap May 18th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Michael post to the video

    May 18, 2009 11:49 AM
    Just want to say to those offended by this video that I am sorry you were offended. I did not intend that. In a world where I love u between guys can mean more then one thing we just wanted to clarify the status of our relationship. It had nothing to do with passing judgement.

    WOW. Keep digging the hole Michael. Just admit it, you’re paranoid that people might think your gay because you’ve been “exposed” to Adam. Don’t worry, it’s not contagious!

    It’s also OK to be nice and respectful to “the gay” and there’s no need to worry about it being misconstrued either.

    What I find sad about this whole thing is that they felt the need to “clarify”. It’s probably because where there from, they get their a$$ kicked and/or socially shunned for even knowing a gay person, let alone being friendly with one.

    It’s just so stereotypically…REDNECK of Sarver.

  87. Not everyone is fully open to the idea of homosexuality.

    And at one time, not everyone was fully open to the idea of equal rights for women. Or desegregation. Some of those people cited religious precident for their beliefs. Were they bad people? Not necessarily. But were they right? Should advocates of social change not have tried to disabuse them of these notions? These are questions a person has to answer for themselves. But you know, sometimes little things mean a lot.

    Suddenly I really, really wish Adam would sing his version of A Change Is Gonna Come on Tuesday. Especially because it’s awesome.

  88. Godà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Word doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t change. Man changes.
    This politically correct world is nonsense. There is no reason for any apologies from Michael or Danny. The truth is the truth.
    And I have not seen where Danny has been disrespectful of Adam. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure he is praying for Adam to see the light and get saved.

    As far as I can tell Danny wears clothes made with fiber blends; cuts his hair and beard; eats shrimp, lobster and pork, mixed meat and dairy; and doesn’t support stoning adulterous women to death. So way does he, or anyone, pick only this one of the 613 commandments to quote?

    And that didn’t sound like someone who was praying to me. It sounded like immature kids in a schoolyard.

  89. May 18, 2009 11:49 AM
    Just want to say to those offended by this video that I am sorry you were offended. I did not intend that. In a world where I love u between guys can mean more then one thing we just wanted to clarify the status of our relationship. It had nothing to do with passing judgement.

    It’s not even that they needed to clarify so much as Danny had to mention that there was a right way for two men to love each other.

    Which implies there’s a wrong way. And that, is so effin uncool.

  90. Danny was so uptight when the camera first came on him: “who is it?”. The minute he found out it was “us”, he put the act on. How creepy. The rest of them funloving and being themselves. That Danny is one repressed homophobe. He mauls Allison like little boys do to little girls. Turns my stomach that a 29 year old man feels comfortable doing that to a teen girl or any youngster. Repressed urges in Danny. Guess he feels safe with little Allison. Yuk.

  91. Godà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Word doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t change. Man changes.
    This politically correct world is nonsense. There is no reason for any apologies from Michael or Danny. The truth is the truth.
    And I have not seen where Danny has been disrespectful of Adam. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure he is praying for Adam to see the light and get saved.

    This is why I don’t do religion … this kind of belief scares me.

    Keep on living like you’re living Adam .. you seem a sensitive, kind and loving human being who is bringing a lot of joy and pleasure to many people around the world. The way you’ve handled youself on the show has been impecable … you and your family have a lot to be proud of.

  92. So when I tell my best friend (the same sex as I am) Love ya, do I need to add a disclaimer at the end? Love Ya…but well you know not in THAT way??

  93. I read this thread before after the video was pulled down and before the one from youtube was put up.

    But now I saw the video and thought, this is what the fuss is about? We know Danny is socially awkward and we know he is over his head in what he is doing now, what he said is not that big a deal. It’s just more socially awkwardness from him. Do you really think he meant that much by that, it was just a foot in the mouth moment.

  94. Stepping away from the comment…Love seeing Allison, she is absolutely hilarious

  95. I have not seen where Danny has been disrespectful of Adam. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure he is praying for Adam to see the light and get saved.

    Praying that Adam sees the light and gets saved is not only incredibly disrespectful–it’s downright offensive.

  96. Yes, Danny, there is a “right” and “Godly” way to touch an underaged girl, and you, sir, have not learned it. Mitts off Lava Girl.

    Second, count me as one of those chagrined people who has been semi-defending Danny this past week. He told us that one of the benefits of being voted off is that now he can be his true self. Yes, so we see you for who you are, a homophobic jerk. As if anyone would believe or leap to the conclusion that you and Sarver are a couple. This kind of comment is inappropriate in any year, but the fact that he said it now, with all the headlines making Adam’s sexuality such an issue? Disgusting. The fact that they took the video down and posted such a lame apology only intensifies my dislike of these two. Hypocrites. We know what you guys think. You’re not fooling anyone. You most certainly are passing judgment.

    First we have O’Reilly, now Godly-gate. Poor Adam, he really doesn’t need this crap.

  97. Ive learned that Danny is a very awkward individual and does not articulate his thoughts very well, so I dont think he meant anything by his comments. Just another Danny awkward moment..next.

  98. When all is said and done, Adam has already achieved more stardom that both those guys will ever achieve. Not only that, Adam is on his way to international superstardom. He already has huge fanbases all over the world, and they could care diddly about his sexuality.

  99. Why would he even feel the need to clarify? Did he really think peeps would assume he and Sarver were romantically involved? Completely clueless socially.

    Michael was trying to protect Danny, his friend. And he obviously regretted putting up the video. And truthfully, they both mucked up, but Danny far worse than Michael.

    You know, Danny is not a very enlightened person. I wonder how he felt with his arms around Adam on Wednesday night?

    What he said was wrong, for sure. But I wonder if it was that somehow Danny himself feels judged? do you think that he’s lived such a sheltered life that this is his first experience being anywhere near the gay world?

  100. Simon and Ryan do this kinda thing every single year on the show. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see anyone so offended that they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t stop watching the show or sit around and talk about how terrible Simon and Ryan are.

    Ryan and Simon’s veiled bantering isn’t quite the same as what’s going on here.

    If Ryan declared he loved Simon, but then stopped to clarify it by saying “in the right way” there would be a firestorm afterward. Because, saying there is a “right” way to love, implies there is a “wrong” way. You can bet Simon and Ryan won’t be going there anytime soon.

    And, don’t know if you’ve noticed, but Ryan and Simon have pretty much quit the gay baiting this season.

  101. They were joking around, and given all the discussion about homosexuality this season, I see why it was on their minds. Ryan and Simon do joke around like this too. It’s not surprising things get blown out of proportion like this. And Adam and Kris probably weren’t in the video because they were off rehearsing their songs. No conspiracy to exclude them.

  102. Well now everyone knows they can show up late to the AI tour, Micheal can sing on the stage by him self. with his big mouth, who would want to be there to hear the redneck sing!!!! :drunk_tb:

  103. I don’t know how you could just brush this off as being nothing. Like MJ said, saying there is a “right, Godly” way means that you think the other way is wrong and ungodly. Therefore, you are passing judgment.

    I realize that some men are incapable of showing affections towards another man without having their insecurities come forth. Its ironic that the person who Adam finds himself in the finale with is also a devout Christian, but is not insecure at all (if you want evidence, rewatch any Kradam hug or look at the pic of them comparing nail polish).

    Anyway, if either of them had said “in a platonic way” or even “in a non-gay way”, that would have been acceptable. There, you are actually clarifying that you are not gay. You seem to need to be able to do this, so go for it. Saying the “right, Godly” way is beyond wrong and I am appalled that neither of them realized this before putting up the video.

  104. MJ, I thought when Ryan brought up Queen & Cher and omitted all Adam’s other song choices, that was gay baiting. When Ryan had the Queen Perez Hilton on his show and they discussed Adam’s sexuality, that came across to me as gay baiting. Difference of opinion, but sure seemed like subtle kind of jabs to me.

  105. Ive learned that Danny is a very awkward individual and does not articulate his thoughts very well, so I dont think he meant anything by his comments. Just another Danny awkward moment..next.

    Exactly. I don’t get all the fuss, must be a slow news day…

  106. lets look on the bright side….maybe adam has entered their lives for a reason. lets be real, would either danny or michael befriend adam in the real world? no. so i hope that while on tour, they become closer and perhaps remove their apprehensions against homosexuality.

    i also want to point out that it is not uncommon in our country for straight guys to feel weird about experssing their affection for one another. im very liberal, so are my friends (of diff sexual orientations)…yet i have noticed that when two of my straight guy friends hug or say i love you, it is sometimes followed by an awkward remark or joke about their “manlihood”. :rolleyes_wp: boys! (and whats worse, their jokes are not even funny). heck, i have (european) guy friends that kiss each other on the cheeks…oh jeez, the reaction it sometimes gets from my american guy friends. i consider it childish, igonorant more so than hateful.

    side note…im a huge kris fan, but even in the hometown video when kris arrives at his parent’s home, you will notice the dad make a reference to not kissing kris after his mother plants a big one on him. again, showing affection for another man has always been a source of (uncomfortable) comedy in our society ( most recent example: the movie I Love You Man). i just think danny and michael used the wrong word (godly), but you cant fault these boys for their upbringing…we can only hope their exposure to the world/adam, brings about personal growth. (Dr Phil in da house)

    i always knew adam’s “we have agreed to disagree” quote in USA Today was related to this topic

    lets send M&D a box of dark blue nail polish…as a gift from us fans :cool1_tb:

  107. This just makes me like Adam and Kris that much more. It’s obvious they whisper about Adam, but I bet Kris gets some too, especially considering the nail polish and sharing a room. I’m so glad that it’s Kris in the finale with Adam.

  108. Michael and Danny could really use some PR help if they want to make it in this business. It goes to show how they sheltered they are.

    And Michael’s “clarification” isn’t doing him any favours.

    Idiots.

  109. In a world where I love u between guys can mean more then one thing we just wanted to clarify the status of our relationship.

    So, I guess they’re just casually dating at this point. :devil_tb:

  110. “This is why I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t do religion à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ this kind of belief scares me.”

    I’m not trying to convince you to do religion, but not all Christians are as prejudiced as these two. I am Christian, I fully support marriage equality, and I just don’t understand how anyone could believe differently. I know Adam has a lot of people who love and support him, but it breaks my heart that he has to deal with people who think that he is not “godly.”

  111. Oh Baxter (heart going thump thump). I am glad you always get to the point. The whole Sarver Gokey thing just labeled them for who they are…..

  112. Anyway, if either of them had said à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“in a platonic wayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  or even à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“in a non-gay wayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , that would have been acceptable. There, you are actually clarifying that you are not gay. You seem to need to be able to do this, so go for it. Saying the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“right, Godlyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  way is beyond wrong and I am appalled that neither of them realized this before putting up the video.

    That’s actually a pretty great explanation. I think that Danny meant what you said, but it came out in a stupid way.

  113. Ryan and Simonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s veiled bantering isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t quite the same as whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going on here.

    If Ryan declared he loved Simon, but then stopped to clarify it by saying à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“in the right wayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  there would be a firestorm afterward. Because, saying there is a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“rightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  way to love, implies there is a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“wrongà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  way. You can bet Simon Ryan wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be going there anytime soon.

    And, donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know if youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve noticed, but Ryan and Simon have pretty much quit the gay baiting this season.

    I see what you are saying, MJ. But what they are doing is mocking homosexuality and on a much bigger stage. Imo it’s much worse than two guys goofing around, and saying something like that.

    I agree, it was stupid but still I don’t think it proves that they hate Adam. (Not that you said it did.)

  114. “Anyway, if either of them had said à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“in a platonic wayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  or even à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“in a non-gay wayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , that would have been acceptable. ”

    I don’t thing that would have made any difference. People would have jumped on these two no matter how they phrased it. They (Michael and Danny) are not allowed to express their opinion on this matter.

  115. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know how you could just brush this off as being nothing.

    Well I wouldn’t call it “nothing” but I don’t think its that big of a deal… yet. It was awkward and shows a certain lack of savvy on their parts. It also points to a kind of insecurity to me. I don’t buy the joking idea because it didn’t seem much like a joke. I think Danny really was anxious to clarify what he meant by the word “love”.

    Still, it’s one offhand comment. I would have to see a whole lot more from him before I got all up in arms. Like I said, he could still be learning how to hold on to his beliefs without coming across like a judgmental insensitive homophobe. Time will tell.

  116. I won’t bore you with my “pro gay” rights creds, but just mention it for context. But to me this seems like a tempest in a teacup. I would not be surprised if they made the same kind of joke to Adam actually. I would guess that all the kids think the Kradam thing is pretty funny (although I am SO OVER it) and probably have running jokes about it. If they don’t do stuff like, oh, Anoop wears a left blue sock and Danny wears a right blue sock to tease Kris and Adam I’d be very surprised. I get the sense that they all like each other very much, despite the feuds and hostilities that are manufactured for them all over the place. I don’t know, I’m just getting so tired of this, I’m glad it’s almost over.

  117. LMAO at the YT ninja. People should know by now, if it’s up for 5 mins you might as well consider it universally distributed…

    And Michael, sheesh, you should have left it alone…

    I agree w/those saying there’s no active malice at work. But it does hint to a certain underlying way of thinking. sigh.

  118. And I have not seen where Danny has been disrespectful of Adam. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure he is praying for Adam to see the light and get saved.

    Adam doesn’t need saved- he’s one of the chosen people with a direct line.

    Deut 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

    The Christian concept of salvation from sin has no equal in Judaism. Judaism does not believe that man is evil or sinful and therefore has no need to be à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“savedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  from an eternal damnation.

  119. Just imagine the issues a gay Christian has to deal with. Sheesh. Interestingly enough, at least for me, there are two things at play here: religion and faith. They are seperate entities. Religion is man made, because humans need to “belong” to something. Faith is between you and your Deity. There is no middle man, no need to speak to someone else to get the message across…it goes straight to the source. The conflict always seems to come into play with the multitude of ways anything written/used as a base for a “religion” can be interpreted, hence, a gazillion “religions” based on the same “faith”.One Book, so many versions. Boggling. And JMHO.

    Not to be off topic, so sorry. I just think Danny seems awkward,yes, but he also seems a bit rigid and likely is has not been exposed to much of what he’s seen/heard in the last few months, and I get what Michael is saying, but, BUT, it still means that they felt it warranted clarifying to be sure all knew their “lurve” wasn’t “that” type. Total, and epic, fail, to me. They have missed a real opportunity to get to know a person as opposed to what they see as a lifestyle. I will concede not everyone is going to like everyone, leaving lifestyle out completely, and perhaps that’s an issue; but it is one aspect of AI that’s fascinating…the very real possibility of having an opportunity to interact with people/opinions/cultures/whatevah that these contestants may have never likely had the inclinations or opportunity to if not for AI. Making the most of it seems mature and logical, even if, in the end, you remain unchanged in your thoughts…you still had an opportunity to see something outside of yourself. Some will benefit, some will not.

    Carry on…

  120. And Michaelà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“clarificationà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t doing him any favours.

    Idiots.

    Yeah: “”Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” Abraham Lincoln

    :lol_wp:

  121. I agree, it was stupid but still I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think it proves that they hate Adam. (Not that you said it did.)

    I don’t think anyone is saying that it’s a personal dig against Adam specifically, it’s that it’s a blatant statement about homosexuality being wrong.

    Naturally people then see it in relation to Adam but it’s a general statement.

  122. just, ugh to both those guys, and my heart goes out to Adam that he has to deal with this attitude in his daily life.
    He’s so sweet; just makes me sad!!

  123. I agree, it was stupid but still I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think it proves that they hate Adam. (Not that you said it did.)

    No, I don’t think it proves they hate Adam, nor do I think their remarks had anything to do with Adam…

  124. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not trying to convince you to do religion, but not all Christians are as prejudiced as these two. I am Christian, I fully support marriage equality, and I just donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand how anyone could believe differently. I know Adam has a lot of people who love and support him, but it breaks my heart that he has to deal with people who think that he is not à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“godly.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    That’s OK isidagmar .. I understand that in all types of religions there are extremes … I guess it’s the extremes that scare me off … I’m all for people having their own beliefs it’s just when they start preaching and trying to dictate to others that it turns me off :smile_wp:

  125. I find it sad and weird that Danny thought that by expressing love for a fellow human being, he was inviting romantic and sexual speculation. At best that shows a real insecurity on his part. Danny and Michael compounded things by finding extremely graceless ways of “clarifying” what Danny meant.

  126. In a world where I love u between guys can mean more then one thing we just wanted to clarify the status of our relationship.

    So, I guess theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re just casually dating at this point.

    Good job they weren’t spotted at OUTBACK the other night … otherwise they would have been reported as being an item.

  127. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s heard worse. I think the tour is going to suck for him with these people. I hope he wins so heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll get some respect from them.

    Like others have said I doubt he’ll get any more respect because of winning. I think he has the respect of the people he cares about including Kris and Allison. There could be some interesting times on tour this summer.

    Michael, Michael, Michael …… you should have quit while you were ahead. It’s disturbing to think they felt the need to ‘clarify’. Makes you wonder if they believe Kris and Adam have something going on since they aren’t afraid of saying that they care about each other without defining it. I think this is a slap in the face to Kris as well.

  128. lets send M&D a box of dark blue nail polishà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦as a gift from us fans

    Better still .. make them duet with “I Am What I Am” from La Cage on the tour.

  129. For me the strangest thing is that Michael didn’t need to put this out there at all. He didn’t see anything wrong with it and that, my friends, is proof of either ignorance or stupidity.

    IMO Ryan is just part of the current AI script to increase ratings with a battle between the “Gay Guy” and the “Christian”. They just didn’t get the “Christian” they wanted into the final. This is Fox, and they know how to use culture wars to drive viewship, newspaper readership and online buzz/PR.

    And, I don’t think a lot of people who would even consider voting for Adam care what Bill O’Reilly thinks. Loofah anyone?

  130. And the clarifying statement by Michael just confirms what they were saying in this video. It was done to reassure people that they aren’t teh gayz. Though I guess it’s okay that others are. Well okay in a way that isn’t godly or right. I mean, those ungodly not right people can keep on going on their way. He just wants to clarify that they were clarifying that they (he and Danny) weren’t one of them!

    Phew! Glad to have that cleared up guys. I for one was worried that they would suddenly be gayz for each other.

  131. It’s the same silly teasing that Ryan and Simon do every season but you’re right about not this year. Although without the Godly part obviously. They probably should have just added “not that there’s anything wrong with that” ala Seinfeld and it would have been okay.

  132. Better still .. make them duet with à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I Am What I Amà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  from La Cage on the tour.

    Or even better, Kris and Adam can sing Guy Love from Scrubs. Which is not about the “wrong” “ungodly” kind of love…just to clarify.

  133. mj May 18th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    I agree, it was stupid but still I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think it proves that they hate Adam. (Not that you said it did.)

    No, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think it proves they hate Adam, nor do I think their remarks had anything to do with Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    I think it was unintentional. It was a masculinity ritual performed by culturally rural (read sheltered) guys with no intentions of attacking anyone specifically.

    Words can hurt, though, and it says a lot about their character and upbringing. It couldn’t have been comfortable for them to be around Adam, since they have such distorted notions of what makes a man and what is considered appropriate male behavior for public consumption.

  134. I was absolutely sure, prior to this video, that Micheal Sarver and Danny Gokey had experienced impassioned bouts of ungodly (unnatural & unholy) Brokeback-type man love together so I’m really glad that they had the chance to clarify the exact nature of their “relationship”.

    Anyone get the feeling that Alexis doesn’t dig Sarver too much. Her reaction to his probing eye/lens is pretty, pretty cold.

  135. It must be foot in mouth day. Check out Danny’s twitter and his claim that he hit the note in Dream On 1000 times before the performance.

  136. well, I’m sure if Alexis really doesn’t like Sarver, it’s because he stole her place to be in the tour. haha

  137. “Godly” Oh Sarver…and Gokey…you smarmy fucker.

    Am also pleased it is Kris in the final

    I am so sick of this so-called “Christian” attitude that Adam needs to see the light…what fuckin light?

  138. Clearly, somebody’s wound a bit too tightly. But is it Michael, Danny…or the fans? Hmmm. Outrage!! *Rolling Eyes Sigh* People are so easily baited these days.

  139. No, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think it proves they hate Adam, nor do I think their remarks had anything to do with Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    I agree MJ, I don’t see the stupid comment as anything to do with Adam. I see it for what it is, a conservative “christian” homophobia. I put “christian” in quotes because these conservative preachers forget the good news of Christ and instead look for things to hate. I don’t claim to know everything about Jesus, but I know this, if asked, “what would Jesus do?, my answer would be: “not that!”

  140. Godà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Word doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t change. Man changes.
    This politically correct world is nonsense. There is no reason for any apologies from Michael or Danny. The truth is the truth.
    And I have not seen where Danny has been disrespectful of Adam. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure he is praying for Adam to see the light and get saved.

    As far as I can tell Danny wears clothes made with fiber blends; cuts his hair and beard; eats shrimp, lobster and pork, mixed meat and dairy; and doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t support stoning adulterous women to death. So way does he, or anyone, pick only this one of the 613 commandments to quote?

    And that didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t sound like someone who was praying to me. It sounded like immature kids in a schoolyard.

    Plus guess what? Not everyone believes in your God. Shocking, I know.

  141. Layla May 18th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Godlyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Oh Sarverà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦and Gokeyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦you smarmy fucker.

    Am also pleased it is Kris in the final

    I am so sick of this so-called à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Christianà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  attitude that Adam needs to see the lightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦what fuckin light?

    The light is the police car spot that flashes on them in the middle of the night in the dark alley behind the mansion with their pants to the cement.

  142. In a world where I love u between guys can mean more then one thing we just wanted to clarify the status of our relationship.

    WHEW I know I’ll sleep easier knowing these two men aren’t deeply in love.

  143. It’s the same silly teasing that Ryan and Simon do every season. Although without the Godly part obviously.

    Or the “right” part, obviously.

    They probably should have just added “not that there’s anything wrong with that” ala Seinfeld and it would have been okay.

    That would have sounded silly and completely contradictory next to Danny’s statement that there’s a “right” way to love…

  144. .
    I said this in the headlines thread but Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m willing to give Danny a pass on this one. It looks like he caught himself and tried to correct it. At least he hesitated. I think he may be still learning about this kind of stuff. It can take a minute if youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve never really had to think about it before because youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve never been in an environment where you really know gay people, and therefore had to seriously think about how your words may come across. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m willing to give him some time.

    There are certain branches of religion that believe strongly homosexuality is immoral. I suspect that the religion that Danny grew up with is of the mindset. That Danny had the sense to try to catch himself is perhaps a glimmer of hope that he is at least aware that his years of indoctrination that there is a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“rightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“wrongà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  way for men to love each other may not be so widely accepted.

    I agree with the above statements.

    Danny stuck his foot in his mouth, as usual. Big deal. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think he was trying to insult Adam (or Jorge, or whoever).

    Or Nate, or possibly some other guys in the top 36 this year.

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a big deal. Guys joke about not being gay all the time

    That’s true, and just because people do that doesn’t mean that people are homophobes. Even with Michael saying that they need to clarify, their relationship, doesn’t necessarily make them homophobes.

    I honestly don’t think that they are and I certainly don’t think they dislike Adam, or are even uncomfortable around him. And I don’t think that Adam is going to be greatly offended and upset if he should see this video.

    I think that it’s being blown out of proportion and I hope that it dies down. Danny already has a lot of hate directed at him that is unwarranted, and intense, IMO. And I think that some of the hate towards has become downright creepy.

    I’ve seen some stuff that people, that people have said about him on the Internet, that is obsessive and creepy. It’s similiar to creepy, obsessive fandom, except for it’s creepy obsessive hate.

  145. Actually, I think Danny and Michael acted the way most of the straight guys I know would have acted. They are seriously afraid of giving off the wrong impression. I just attribute that to their own fear and insecurity. Not saying all straight guys are like this, but I know a lot that are. But I don’t think Danny meant disrespect– he’s just oblivious.

  146. Becks May 18th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get it. What is wrong with what Danny said?

    Nothing and everything. The Gokester starts off this clip with a foot in his mouth and ends up, tacitly, denying that he wants his penis in Sarver, all in the course of about twenty seconds. And then he pops up to continue the cake assault on Allison. The guy is a tool. I think he is amusing and I kind of like him (in a wholesome, godly way, of course) but he is still a major tool.

    Norwegiano May 18th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    The light is the police car spot that flashes on them in the middle of the night in the dark alley behind the mansion with their pants to the cement.

    Okay, clearly you’ve got some fantasy scenarios that you’d like to share. :grin2_ee:

  147. ^Agree. They’re both oblivious, awkward. probably douchey guys. If Adam wasn’t in the same Season it really would have been no big deal though. Not that I think it is.

    How the heck does this get more posts that the thread about what the finalists will sing?

  148. So what’s the agreed upon shipper name for these two, y’all?

    Sawkey? Gokver? Minny? Manny? :wub_tb:

  149. I don’t see anything wrong with what was said…it as well as a lot of things in this “politicall correct” word is being taking out of context and over analyzed.

    BTW – Danny didn’t say in the “Godly” way – Michael did, and Danny repeated it, and said “we have to be politically correct” while I didn’t think Danny was the AI, I don’t hate him or his back story, he just wasn’t that good as an “innovator” of song/songwriter…he didn’t know how to change a song to make it better!!!

    edit: don’t tell posters what to do, or i’ll ban you

    GO ADAM!!!
    go Kris!

  150. hey mj,

    Speaking of cultural insensitivity…

    Kris’ father greeted his son Kris in his homecoming videoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ when Kris pulled up to hug his Dadà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ ”I’m not gonna kiss you!” in a laughing and tear-filled way. Everyone thought this was such a touching moment. I found it uncomfortable.

    It is a similar thing. That comment implied that a father kissing his son is inappropriate. Didn’t anyone else find that comment slightly bizarre and culturally sad?

    Men kiss each other in Europe all the time…why the fear? Issues with masculinity?

  151. jpfan May 18th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    How the heck does this get more posts that the thread about what the finalists will sing?

    This is real and the other thread is speculation.

  152. CRB May 18th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    Becks May 18th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get it. What is wrong with what Danny said?

    Nothing and everything. The Gokester starts off this clip with a foot in his mouth and ends up, tacitly, denying that he wants his penis in Sarver, all in the course of about twenty seconds. And then he pops up to continue the cake assault on Allison. The guy is a tool. I think he is amusing and I kind of like him (in a wholesome, godly way, of course) but he is still a major tool.

    Norwegiano May 18th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    The light is the police car spot that flashes on them in the middle of the night in the dark alley behind the mansion with their pants to the cement.

    Okay, clearly youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve got some fantasy scenarios that youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d like to share.

    Hell yeah, but I am not going to share them here. :sealed_tb:
    I was actually thinking more along the lines of Larry Craig or Ted Haggart. You know…hypocrites.

  153. You know, Danny is not a very enlightened person. I wonder how he felt with his arms around Adam on Wednesday night?

    I think that he felt fine about it. Especially he kept patting, wrapping his arms around Adam, before the results were announced. And then he threw both arms around both Kris and Adam and pulled them into a group hug(which I thought was cute) at least twice after he found out he was going home.

    I don’t think that Danny and Michael are homophobes. I don’t think that they hate Adam. I don’t think that he thinks less of Adam because Adam is gay. I don’t get that feeling at all. I think that they both genuinely cares about Adam, and vice versa. I’m willing to bet that if Adam saw this video and people asked him if he thought that Danny and Michael were homophobes he would say no, and really mean that.

  154. norwegiano (2:23)

    I thought I was the only one that noticed that!!!! At first I was flabbergasted this Kris’ dad would say such a thing– and then I thought, no he didn’t say that, right? Completely insensitive. Seriously, I almost choked. To me that was one of the rudest comments I’ve heard on AI all season.

  155. And I have not seen where Danny has been disrespectful of Adam. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure he is praying for Adam to see the light and get saved.

    Adam doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t need saved- heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s one of the chosen people with a direct line.

    Deut 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

    The Christian concept of salvation from sin has no equal in Judaism. Judaism does not believe that man is evil or sinful and therefore has no need to be à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“savedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  from an eternal damnation.

    Unfortunately- Judaism is no better regarding homosexuality. Christianity did not make that up- the old testement specifically determines that sexual relations between two men is prohibited, and the sentance for those who do it- death by stoning. Ouch. So, you see, I am so grateful for living in a place where religous laws DO NOT apply…
    And I think it’s pretty obvious they WERE referring to Adam, but that’s just my own opinion.

  156. Michael’s apology statement was a baaaad idea. Why on earth do you need to clarify the status of your relationship????? Wow………. I cannot come up with any words to comment on this. I am soo disappointed with my generation right now. lol

  157. this whole thing is kinda insane but it just goes to show me more and more that gokey is not someone that i would have enjoyed watching even if it was only for one more week. him and sarver are religious but i mean really to have to make that comment is just foolish. do they not realize they are on american idol? they clearly twitter about how much they love how many people are following them and all that jazz so they know whats being sad either good or bad.

    and then there is kris who is a worship leader and extremely involved in his church like gokey and sarver but it’s not out there. probably bc TPTB didnt think he would matter in the end but still, he doesn’t feel the need to talk about it non stop. he’s just a kid who is involved in his church and he doesnt really need people to know about it one way or the other.

    im just so happy with this final. mostly because i thought it would never happen. i nicknamed kris “cute guy” when i saw him in hollywood and every week that he got through was a bonus in a way. im glad he has been able to show that not all deeply religious people have the same skewed view of the world. clearly his family raised him right.

    between the lovefest of kris and adam even though they are so different as well as this stupid video, larry king live on friday is going to be a trip if ryan can ask all the right questions.

  158. I vote for à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Manny Goker – A Love Unclarifiedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    That’s beautiful!

    Now, I’m thinkin’ “Manny Sokey: Love is a Force of Nature”
    I can imagine them inserted in a Brokeback poster now…

    Poor, clueless men. And it was such a nice idea to put up a video for fans, and now that well-meaning gesture has been gone horribly awry. Sawver seems like such a nice guy, he’s usually so well-spoken.

  159. iluvai May 18th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    norwegiano (2:23)

    I thought I was the only one that noticed that!!!! At first I was flabbergasted this Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ dad would say such a thingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ and then I thought, no he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t say that, right? Completely insensitive. Seriously, I almost choked. To me that was one of the rudest comments Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve heard on AI all season.

    No, I caught it right away, but no one seems to be making a big deal about THAT. It’s all part of the same fearful “compartmentalization” of personal masculine identity politcs.

  160. Adam doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t need saved- heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s one of the chosen people with a direct line.

    haha. Very very true. Teh Jews are the chosen people.

  161. Some true colours are showing through today – and they aren’t very pretty, Gokey and Sarver…

  162. MJ, I thought when Ryan brought up Queen & Cher and omitted all Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s other song choices, that was gay baiting. When Ryan had the Queen Perez Hilton on his show and they discussed Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sexuality, that came across to me as gay baiting. Difference of opinion, but sure seemed like subtle kind of jabs to me.

    I agree. Ryan Seacrest is like one of those stupid 7th grade boys that thinks every snarky thing they say is hilarious. And he is living in the wrong neighborhood for his constant ‘gay’ innuendo. I think Ryan’s mother told him every day he was just the cutest, funniest thing in show leather, and he grew to believe it.

    Danny? He is just so ….repressed. Perhaps if he can escape the clutches of Pastor Rolex he’ll have a chance to find himself.

  163. Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ father greeted his son Kris in his homecoming videoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ when Kris pulled up to hug his Dadà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not gonna kiss you!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  in a laughing and tear-filled way. Everyone thought this was such a touching moment. I found it uncomfortable.

    It is a similar thing. That comment implied that a father kissing his son is inappropriate.

    It’s along the same vein as what Michael and Danny were talking about IMO.

    A lot of the people on the Internet, that are referring, to them, as “bad homophobes” are a lot of the same people that stated what Kris’s dad said was heartwarming.

    I don’t think that either comments mean that any of those guys are homophobes, even though I don’t see why Michael, and Danny get slammed for what they said, yet Kris’s family/dad gets praised for being so “amazing and tolerant”.

    I think that those comments with a lot of things that people have said in this thread, about people’s faith, how they were raised, how things are viewed in their culture/geographic locations, etc. There are people that have those type of views on affection between men.

    I don’t think that it necessarily means they are homophobe, and I don’t think that neither, Danny, Michael, or Kris’s dad are homophobes. I’d say they were all more macho than anything, as well as bound to their beliefs, and the way they were brought up.

    I don’t think that they hate/dislike gay people are extremely uncomfortable around Adam, or think ill of him, like I’ve seen a lot of folks on the Internet say they are.

  164. Maybe they feared they could be the next Kradam, but I don’t think people were going there. Well, now they are with Manny Goker — A Love Unclarified. lol

    My annoyance actually doesn’t have to do with Adam, but the need to imply other love is wrong and ungodly. Maybe if Adam was not in the season THEY might have not felt the need to clarify and/or do that, but that is not the reason I did not like their comments.

  165. There’s a long and wide path between “religious” and “Godly”. The narrow path of love very few choose to walk. It begins with love one another. Doesn’t say anything about “fear” one another or desire one another.
    There’s a huge chasm between love and desire. Love is what we are to aspire to give and receive Desire and sex are subjective and individual. That we have skewered love to indicate desire is to mankinds detriment. Hence we can no longer hug or show affection to same sex without confusion. Either internal or external. Love has become so diluted, it’s now necessary to explain to each other our own definition. What? IMO

  166. Norwegiano May 18th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    Men kiss each other in Europe all the timeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦why the fear? Issues with masculinity?

    I remember back in the 1980’s when the Soviet Union won the ice hockey gold medal in the Olympics and the U.S. broadcasting people who were in the locker room to cover the post-game celebration and they were clearly taken aback by the full on mouth-to-mouth kissing between the players.

    So, I would say both cultural differences and issues with what is perceived as masculine.

  167. I honestly donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think that they are and I certainly donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think they dislike Adam, or are even uncomfortable around him.

    Gotta disagree with this statement. had Gokey or Sarver been Adam’s roommate, IMHO, I think there would have been a hell of a lot of uncomfortable going on. Locking the bathroom door during a shower, dressing in the bathroom, wearing a full burka to bed….etc. I don’t think they dislike Adam, but their disapproval of his “lifestyle” is pretty clear to me.

  168. Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ father greeted his son Kris in his homecoming videoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ when Kris pulled up to hug his Dadà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not gonna kiss you!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  in a laughing and tear-filled way. Everyone thought this was such a touching moment. I found it uncomfortable.

    I see it as different. They’re RELATED BY BLOOD. So I interpreted it as “I’m not gonna get mushy with you son like your mother has.” and NOT like “If I kiss you, people might start thinking we’re incestuous”.

  169. Doogs, then everyone’s a hypocrite. What about the flip side–conservative Christians who claim they’re being “bashed” when their values are challenged, instead of seeing that the people who disagree with them have just as much of a right to express their beliefs as they do? Please. It just goes in a circle.

  170. snuffles May 18th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ father greeted his son Kris in his homecoming videoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ when Kris pulled up to hug his Dadà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not gonna kiss you!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  in a laughing and tear-filled way. Everyone thought this was such a touching moment. I found it uncomfortable.

    I see it as different. Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re RELATED BY BLOOD. So I interpreted it as à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not gonna get mushy with you son like your mother has.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and NOT like à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“If I kiss you, people might start thinking weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re incestuousà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

    With that logic, then it would be inappropriate for a mother to kiss her son as well, since she is related by blood. Your argument doesn’t hold water.

    Incest has nothing to do with it. It is about hang ups when dealing with specific loving affection (romantic or otherwise) between men. That’s all.

  171. MJ, I thought when Ryan brought up Queen & Cher and omitted all Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s other song choices, that was gay baiting.

    I also thought that was a thinly veiled innuendo about Adam’s sexuality, but Adam laughed, so I guess I didn’t care.

    love seeing liberals preaching from a pedastal about acceptance, then hypocritically start bashing someoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s personal views.

    Danny can think and/or say whatever he wants much like Adam can date/kiss whoever he wants. God bless them both.

    No one said Danny couldn’t say whatever he wants. That doesn’t mean the public can’t form an opinion of him based on what he says and does.

    All Danny had to say is “I love you to pieces, bro” and that would’ve clarified the type of love. The fact that he felt the need to clarify is a tad troublesome, but they WAY they both clarified it is a sad look into their true feelings on the subject.

  172. I am offended by the homophobic comments made and disseminated by Danny and Michael. I am also disappointed in the “apology.”

    In my opinion, an apology usually means taking responsibility for what one said/did, and expressing remorse for having chosen to commit the offensive comment/act. Reacting to the outrage of others, and being “sorry” that they were offended is not an apology.

    An actual apology, in case the boys would like a model, would have included:

    1) Acknowledging and taking responsibility for having made homophobic statements;
    2) Being remorseful for uttering those homophobic statements;
    3) Acknowledging and taking responsibility for having chosen to publicly promulgate those homophobic comments on the internet;
    4) Being remorseful for having not only having chosen to make, but to spread those homophobic comments on the internet.

    But, if the boys were only actually sorry about the reaction to their comments/actions…and not the homophobic comments/actions themselves… then an actual apology is a moot point.

  173. Incest has nothing to do with it. It is about hang ups when dealing with specific loving affection (romantic or otherwise) between men. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all.

    That’s how I interpreted, too. Didn’t see it as a big deal.

  174. If someone made a comment like this about other minority groups people would be all over it, but for some reason its different for homosexual jokes. I don’t know if it is because people think sexuality is something that is a choice, unlike ethnic groups, gender, etc. but until people start realizing that its not…

    There is no excuse, and until comments start getting called out and people become aware of what they are saying, its not going to get any better. So thanks MJ.

  175. “I see it as different. Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re RELATED BY BLOOD. So I interpreted it as à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not gonna get mushy with you son like your mother has.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and NOT like à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“If I kiss you, people might start thinking weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re incestuousà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

    Completely agree. Parents always have to walk the fine line between displaying open affection with their kids, but also not wanting to embaress them w/a public display especially when they’re “all grown up”. It seemed to me this was an affectionate family who display their affection with hugs n kisses. Mushy stuff. Love it.

    I thought it was a very tender moment.

  176. Gotta disagree with this statement. had Gokey or Sarver been Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s roommate, IMHO, I think there would have been a hell of a lot of uncomfortable going on. Locking the bathroom door during a shower, dressing in the bathroom, wearing a full burka to bedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.etc. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think they dislike Adam, but their disapproval of his à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“lifestyleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is pretty clear to me.

    LOL, at wearing the wearing a full burka to bed comment. :laugh_tb:

    I don’t think that they would have been extremely uncomfortable around him. I think that maybe at first, they might have been somewhat uncomfortable especially if they both have never really spent a lot of time around a gay man before, let alone roomed with one. But I’m not so sure about that even.

    I do think there would not have been a lot of extreme behavior happening on their parts, where they would try to distance themselves from him or anything like that. I don’t get that feeling about either one of them. I think that they genuinley like him and accept him as he is.

    And I think that it’s been this way for a while. I remember back on one of the top 36, shows, how after Adam had made it through, him and Danny were laughing/celebrating/dancing together, and had their arms around each other.

    I remember people commenting on the Internet about how they were acting with each other. And how it looked like they were close. Some even stated that Danny had replaced Jamar with Adam as his new best friend.

    I think do think that they aren’t comfortable with the idea of people thinking they are gay, but I don’t think that means they are homophobic.

    And I think that if they were we might have seen more evidence especially on Danny’s end. Danny seems to act like himself all the time. Whether people like him, love him, hate him, he’s himself, IMO.

    I think that if he were really extremely uncomfortable around Adam, he wouldn’t be so quick to throw him arms, around Adam/touch him several times affectionately, like he’s done on the show and like he did last week.

    And I honestly think that Adam would have been more forthcoming about it, if Danny really was homophobic. I think that Adam can sense that sort of thing, and would have maybe made some remark, even if it was subtle about that.

    I think that if someone asked Adam if he thought that Danny and Michael were homophobic he would say no. And mean it.

  177. Well, Orthodox Jews share the same negative views of homosexuality as some Christian groups do. And if Danny were Orthodox, I wonder if there would be tons of posts putting down that form of Judaism. I mean there might be some but would it be as big a deal? Maybe it would. I have no idea.

  178. I guess it’s not worth dissecting too much but it was an unfortunate choice of words. Most of my male acquaintances (and in church too!) will say “Love ya man” and never need to clarify it any further.

    I’m more surprised by the lack of judgement in posting it online. Surely Sarver expected it would draw some negative comments? Could’ve edited it out, y’know? If not, than that’s naivete and once burned, well ya know better next time, eh.

    Otherwise, I was so happy to see my girl Allison frolicking around like the the energetic kid she is. I just love her. That kid makes me smile each time I see her. She needs to be performing, be on TV, just be out there making us all smile. Loved that face of hers peeking up into the camera like Elmo from Sesame Street. LOL, she’s like a big teenaged girl Elmo!

    I did think it was kind of wierd for Danny to be picking her up so much; he’s a bit old for that and I would have thought the same about any of the guys doing that. Those guys are too old to be doing that even if she is like a little sister…if yer gonna talk about propriety an’ all.

  179. Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ father greeted his son Kris in his homecoming videoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ when Kris pulled up to hug his Dadà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not gonna kiss you!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  in a laughing and tear-filled way. Everyone thought this was such a touching moment. I found it uncomfortable.

    All I got from this was “don’t worry–I’m not gonna embarrass you in front of your friends”–like every other kid hates being kissed by their parents in public. Same as ‘drop me off a block away so my friends don’t see me with my mom/dad.’

    The Sarver/Gokey thing is a whole ‘nother ballgame. It was a stupid enough exchange on the vid and Sarver made it worse with his ignorant attempt at apology. It wasn’t that we thought you were gay, idiots. Its that you felt the need to clarify it all. If Gokey had just said ” I love this guy to pieces” & left it at that, no one would have even noticed. Gokeys & Sarvers of the world, please grow up. Stop thinking you have to qualify every statement you make with “but we’re not gay–not that there’s anything wrong with that.”

    Jesus–The stupidty never ceases to disgust me.

  180. I saw the comment by Kris’s dad as just a little joke and not offensive at all. I don’t think it had anything to do with trying to be manly because then he preceeded to cry while hugging Kris, cry before the group hug, and cry right after the package showed. To compare that with the video clip is really stretching it.

    I don’t think Danny and Michael are being homophobic or don’t like Adam, it’s just that they thing it is “wrong” to be gay since apparantly there is a “right” way to love between 2 guys. To me, their opinions are wrong but that’s just my opinion.

  181. I just watched it. Ugh.

    I guess I could give Danny the benefit of a doubt, but because Adam himself had said that he and Danny were *very* different and that they had the agree to disagree (paraphrasing) and how down right uncomfortable Adam looked when Danny tried to hug him on performance night (to be fair, Kris looked just as bothered), I can bet that he meant EXACTLY what I’m thought he meant.

    I do think that he only corrected himself *because* of Adam (or the idea of Adam). I have no doubts that if he was in his own environment, he wouldn’t think twice about it.

    I have to say that Equal Rights is one of my most passionate personal fights (I get specially when it comes to gay rights), so I’m not tolerant at all of people who think their beliefs should bleed into other people.

    Now…. all that said… Forget the comment! WHY IN THE F&*KING F#%K HELL is this GROWN ASS man groping Allison whenever chance he’s got?!?!??!!?!? WTF?!?!

    I got physically disgusted by watching him manhandle her AGAIN. And AGAIN.

  182. Giller, I’m not sure Danny or any of them realize they might be homophobic. What they said was homophobic, but i’m thinking neither are that sophisticated in their thinking to know this. They are a product of their environment and its world view. I agree, probably no intent, just doing and speaking as they always have. Time will mellow them out, introspective thinking will help them clarify how they really feel. Sounds like right now, they’re just talking as they always have, just not aware enough to realize what the words they speak mean. Still just tools, mouthing words without thought.

  183. Nika
    May 18th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
    Doogs, then everyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a hypocrite. What about the flip sideà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’conservative Christians who claim theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re being à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“bashedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  when their values are challenged, instead of seeing that the people who disagree with them have just as much of a right to express their beliefs as they do? Please. It just goes in a circle.

    I think adam said this about danny we agree to disagree.What you said is what gets me mad.Its like i cant like adam if i disagree with his choices and i do.I think him and kris show us all that no matter what you believe we can still get along.We dont know how kris feels now or before the show started.Maybe kris did lock the bathroom door at first or still does.Does that mean you who like him wont then?I dont like danny but none of that has to do with how he sees adam.When you talk hate you get hate back.I think we all saw danny grow on the show as far as the hugs with adam went(half hugs at first).If someone doesnt agree with adams choices Does that mean they are a bad person?I THINK NOT.

  184. I don’t think the comments indicate that these guys are “bad” people or don’t like Adam. I do think that it indicates that they don’t agree with his lifestyle and that they are uncomfortable with it. Who knows, spending all summer with Adam, a person who seems to get along with all of the others, and is comfortable in his own skin, they can start to change their views. If this is the way they grew up, it’s a hard thing to change overnight.

  185. A perfect moment for Adam to sing à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“A change is gonna comeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    romanovna, I hade the exact same thought — great message, lyrics and melody for Adam. And it’s perfect for the times.

    Unfortunately, I am very afraid that Simon F. will pick something very campy and obvious for Adam. I guess as long as it’s not “I’m Coming Out” or “Dancing Queen”, I’ll be OK with it.

  186. But, if the boys were only actually sorry about the reaction to their comments/actionsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦and not the homophobic comments/actions themselvesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ then an actual apology is a mute point.

    And the apology issued by Michael points to that. If they were used to talk in public they wouldn’t say what they did but that wouldn’t change how they feel. Usually I think that over-analyzing statements brings only unnecessary and often unwarranted dislike of a candidate but IMO it’s perfectly clear where they stand on gays. You know, there’s a right love and the wrong love (sarcastic smile).
    And comparing gay bashing with attacks on some religious people is totally biased, since I don’t hear homosexuals talking on the news how the religious people live life wrong and they hope they can find a way to abandon god and find the right way, while gay bashing people are doing exactly that. I know this might be oversimplifying the matter and not all religious people are homophobic and some gays are religious etc. but I think it perfectly applies to the extreme flanks.

  187. Incest has nothing to do with it. It is about hang ups when dealing with specific loving affection (romantic or otherwise) between men. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all.

    Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how I interpreted, too. Didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see it as a big deal.

    ITA with the above two comments.

    I am offended by the homophobic comments made and disseminated by Danny and Michael. I am also disappointed in the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“apology.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    In my opinion, an apology usually means taking responsibility for what one said/did, and expressing remorse for having chosen to commit the offensive comment/act. Reacting to the outrage of others, and being à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“sorryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  that they were offended is not an apology.

    An actual apology, in case the boys would like a model, would have included:

    1) Acknowledging and taking responsibility for having made homophobic statements;
    2) Being remorseful for uttering those homophobic statements;
    3) Acknowledging and taking responsibility for having chosen to publicly promulgate those homophobic comments on the internet;
    4) Being remorseful for having not only having chosen to make, but to spread those homophobic comments on the internet.

    But, if the boys were only actually sorry about the reaction to their comments/actionsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦and not the homophobic comments/actions themselvesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ then an actual apology is a mute point.

    I think that maybe both guys didn’t think what they said were homophobic, but thought that it was the right thing to apologize because a lot of people do think what they said was homophobic. People that are in the public eye, do that about things like this all the time.

    Regardless whether it is comments regarding issues about gay people or other types of issues. Sometimes people apologize because they believe they were wrong about comments that they made.

    Some people apologize because their comments are interpreted as wrong by others, so they apologize to try and clarify things. And to show that they didn’t mean to offend.

    I think that Michael’s apology fits into the second category. I honestly don’t think that they should have to apologize for homophobic comments, because I don’t think that what they said is homophobic.

    And I honestly don’t think that they believe what they said was homophobic, or believe that they are homophobes. And there are other people that feel this way as well.

    I don’t think that they should have to own up to all of the stuff that you listed.

  188. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a big deal. Guys joke about not being gay all the time

    yes guys joke about not being gay but that’s not the real issue that people have a problem with .. if I guy is jokingly saying he’s not gay that’s all he’s saying … he’s not saying that he’s not gay as it’s wrong to be gay. Danny’s use of the word “right” implying that homosexuality is wrong, is what people have the problem with.

  189. I just love how Sarver’s “apology” just proved what an insufferable prick he really is. “I’m sorry if you were offended?” WTF kind of apology is that? He would have been better off just leaving the video up and not saying anything.

    Someone brilliant on TWoP (bzork) said it best :

    Fear not Sarver, there’s no danger of anyone’s penis being up your ass, there’s no room left next to your head.

  190. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think the comments indicate that these guys are à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“badà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  people or donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like Adam.

    Nor do I. What it indicates is that they are dumber than dirt, immature, and homophobic.

  191. Clearly, somebodyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wound a bit too tightly. But is it Michael, Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦or the fans? Hmmm. Outrage!! *Rolling Eyes Sigh* People are so easily baited these days.

    I completely agree with this. This is a non-event blown into something important. Guys say this kind of thing to each other all the time and mean nothing by it.

    These guys have been raised with a very narrow view of the world. At least they caught themselves. I’m sure that wouldn’t have happened 3 months ago, so they’ve learned something from the show.

  192. If someone doesnt agree with adams choices Does that mean they are a bad person?I THINK NOT.

    Oh, boy. Well, when someone believes that being gay is a “choice,” I guess you just have to start the argument in a whole different place.

  193. Fear not Sarver, thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no danger of anyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s penis being up your ass, thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no room left next to your head.

    OMFG!! dammit…peeing pants again… :lol_tb:

  194. Of course, the video is blocked from work, so I can only comment based on the comments. I agree that this country has a lot of sexual repression issues. In Europe, 2 men greeting w/ a kiss and hug is no big deal, whereas here even family or best friends greeting w/a hug is then suddenly shrugged off with a “How ’bout those Bears?” comment to assert manliness. It’s just ignorance and insecurity.

    When famous people – DJs, broadcaster, politicians say something politically incorrect, they are raked over the coals by the “you should have known better” police – often deservedly so. What we are forgetting here is that these guys are just regular dudes, plucked from obscurity to sudden fame and they have no training in public speaking or how to not inadvertantly appear like an idiot on national TV. They are essentially naked until they learn to moderate their comments. Even folks who spend their lives preparing for the public eye misspeak, so I am willing to give them a pass on it. They are awkward. Neither have been to college, to my knowledge. They don’t know how to filter yet.

    Was it right? No. Was it pretty normal? Yes. Will they hopefully have their horizons broadened on tour? I hope. Was Randy Travis also pretty awkward re: Adam’s nail polish? Yep.

  195. And comparing gay bashing with attacks on some religious people is totally biased, since I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t hear homosexuals talking on the news how the religious people live life wrong and they hope they can find a way to abandon god and find the right way, while gay bashing people are doing exactly that. I know this might be oversimplifying the matter and not all religious people are homophobic and some gays are religious etc. but I think it perfectly applies to the extreme flanks.

    I don’t think that any of it should be tolerated. And even though there might not be a lot of gay people on tv that trash religious groups like Christians, there is certainly a lot people regardless of whether they are gay or not that do it on the Internet. I have seen so much offensive/insulting stuff said about Christians on the Internet.

    A lot of it as digs at Danny and his fanbase, since a lot of people think that his fanbase are Christians. Some of the comments I have seen are far worse and more offensive than what Danny and Michael said, yet the comments were tolerated, and even encouraged and praised.

    I think that extreme bashing of any groups of people whether it be gays, or Christians, or whoever is not right.

  196. Come on, TKat, they’re not going to kill the goose that can lay the golden egg. But your choices of “Dancing Queen” and “I’m Coming Out” had me laffing out loud.
    Talk about adding fuel to the fire…tee hee.

  197. “Someone brilliant on TWoP (bzork) said it best :

    Fear not Sarver, thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no danger of anyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s penis being up your ass, thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no room left next to your head.”

    Actually, I find this comment offensive as Hell.

  198. This is not the only place that is making a fuss. The video has gone viral already. If you type in Danny Gokey on Twitter you will see some of the gay sites have gotten a hold of it. It will probably be a Twitter Trending Topic within the hour.

  199. Nowà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. all that saidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ Forget the comment! WHY IN THE F&*KING F#%K HELL is this GROWN ASS man groping Allison whenever chance heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s got?!?!??!!?!? WTF?!?!

    I got physically disgusted by watching him manhandle her AGAIN. And AGAIN.

    Thanks for typing this out..my sad thoughts exactly.

    However, I am disgusted by the Gokey Sarver douchery as well. In what pathetic world would saying “I love so & so” mean anything but “I love so & so”? How twisted do you have to be for it to have any other connotation?

  200. When famous people – DJs, broadcaster, politicians say something politically incorrect, they are raked over the coals by the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“you should have known betterà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  police – often deservedly so. What we are forgetting here is that these guys are just regular dudes, plucked from obscurity to sudden fame and they have no training in public speaking or how to not inadvertantly appear like an idiot on national TV. They are essentially naked until they learn to moderate their comments. Even folks who spend their lives preparing for the public eye misspeak, so I am willing to give them a pass on it. They are awkward. Neither have been to college, to my knowledge. They donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know how to filter yet.

    I agree Calimari,

  201. mj says

    Re-read it. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m chastising Michael and Danny for their complete stupidity.

    That IS allowed.
    ===================================
    Ahhh I see. :rolleyes_wp: Slow news day.

  202. Actually IMO there are comments from some people on this thread that are as offensive if not more than those uttered from Danny or Michael’s mouths, even some of those who think they are being PC.

    As someone who spent their school years sticking up for their sweet, loving younger brother as he was horrendously bullied for being “different”, as someone who only three years ago spent 4 days sitting by the same brother’s hospital bed after some homophobic shits beat him half to death for having the temerity to hold his partner’s hand as he walked down the street, I cannot explain how angry words like ‘choice’ and ‘tolerate’ make me when discussing people who are gay.

    Would you think it acceptable to say to a black person that you tolerate their choice to have their colour of skin? Because whether it makes you uncomfortable to hear it or not, that is the equivalent of what you are doing when you say you tolerate someone’s choice to be gay. It’s not about ‘tolerating’ a ‘lifestyle choice’, it’s about respecting someone’s basic human rights to be the person they are by birth, and them being able to go about their everyday lives without living in fear of having the shit kicked out them, either emotionally or physically.

    On that note I’m going to climb off my soapbox. I’m not even going to address people who are praying for Adam to be saved, or those who don’t ‘get’ being gay as I really don’t want MJ to ban me!

    Having said all that, I’m going to throw Danny & Michael a little bit of sympathy on this one. Both have been brought up with a very particular, albeit narrow, view on life and neither seem to be particularly worldly. It’s a very hard thing to realise that those views that you have been told all your life are the right ones are not shared by many other people. The fact that Danny even caught himself is a tiny hint that he’s realising that what he has always believed is not necessarily right.

    And I don’t believe the comment was in any way directed at Adam as a person (or anyone else in the top 13 who may or may not be gay for that matter). Danny didn’t seem uncomfortable around Adam and has said some very complimentary things about him since leaving the house. I think the fact that Danny is able to separate what are clearly indoctrinated views regarding homosexuality from his attitude to Adam as a person is actually a pretty positive step. I doubt Danny’s spent time around many, if any, openly gay men before now so he has only had what he has been taught to believe. I’d imagine the same goes for Michael as well. Danny put his foot firmly in his mouth there, and they then went about trying to correct things in an offensive and unbelievably clumsy way, but in all honesty they are only a product of the way they were brought up and what they were taught to believe. Jumping on them won’t help, educating them might.

    But their attitude, and the attitudes of those like them make me thank my lucky stars that I was brought up by parents who, from as soon as we were old enough to process such things, taught us that it’s not a person’s sexuality, race, religion, gender or anything else physical that matters but the person they are inside and the way they treat others that defines them. And my parents are both church-going Christians. Who knew that some (in fact many) Christians could feel that those things aren’t something that are evil or need to be ‘tolerated’ but things that do not define a person or matter when judging them? Go figure. /sarcasm.

    (I’ll stop now mj. I promise!)

  203. Wow, 5 pages of comments on this, haha. These two… I’m sure they mean well, but they are both such… buffoons!

    This:

    Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s use of the word à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“rightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  implying that homosexuality is wrong, is what people have the problem with.

    That’s exactly my problem with it, the word “right” which implies that the other way is “wrong.” And here’s the thing, these guys have got to realize that they are (at least for the moment) celebrities… and what they say, especially if they are dumb enough to videotape and post it, is going to be all over the place instantly. Get these boys some PR lessons, stat! They just both strike me as clueless, but it isn’t going to help their music careers if they can’t use some common sense.

    It does, however, make you homophobic if you’re so afraid that people will think that you loving your friend means you’re gay that you have to clarify that… twice. Doesn’t mean that they hate Adam, but… weenies, both of them. Just weenies.

    You know, we heard a lot last year about Archie being “sheltered.” I vastly prefer his sheltered/awkward to sheltered/buffoon with insert-foot-in-mouth disease.

  204. I must say à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ what respect I had for Sarver has now all but disappeared. I’m not interested in investing time (or money) in bigots.

  205. koolgurl – This is not the only place that is making a fuss. The video has gone viral already. If you type in Danny Gokey on Twitter you will see some of the gay sites have gotten a hold of it. It will probably be a Twitter Trending Topic within the hour.

    Oh, Boy.

    I see even more truckloads of hate headed towards Danny’s way.

  206. Someone on TWoP is suggesting we throw boxer shorts at Danny and Sarver during the tour – lmfao

  207. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Someone brilliant on TWoP (bzork) said it best :

    Fear not Sarver, thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no danger of anyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s penis being up your ass, thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no room left next to your head.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    Actually, I find this comment offensive as Hell.

    While I find what Michael and Danny did offensive and ignorant, I think it’s equally offensive, if not moreso, for people who claim to know better to bash them. It makes them no better than Michael or Danny.

  208. jj82:

    Having said all that, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m going to throw Danny & Michael a little bit of sympathy on this one. Both have been brought up with a very particular, albeit narrow, view on life and neither seem to be particularly worldly. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a very hard thing to realise that those views that you have been told all your life are the right ones are not shared by many other people. The fact that Danny even caught himself is a tiny hint that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s realising that what he has always believed is not necessarily right.

    I do agree with you here… I just think they are clueless, and Gokey seems to have a way of saying… eh, I don’t know, stuff that always comes out wrong. But the lessons come pretty harshly, don’t they? Must learn to self-censor, guys. Or at least watch what you videotape :)

  209. In about two hours, something else is going to be the news topic.
    This will all blow over once Adam and Kris take the stage tomorrow night. It will all be forgotten, because the end is near.

    Does anyone else think Adam will be given a George Michael song to sing by Fuller?

  210. Well, I’m glad people – some, anyway – are pissed about it. It’s just plain offensive and these goofballs ought to be called on it. They may have been taught to be homophobic; now they have to be taught to watch their damn mouths!

  211. But the lessons come pretty harshly, donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t they? Must learn to self-censor, guys. Or at least watch what you videotape :)

    Well, I also think Danny recognized it was terribly uncouth after it was said, especially the “Godly” part. But do not use a camera that you can’t edit. How dumb to post this video without editing. Can we say media microscope?

    It really is more about Stupidity and a complete lack of understanding regarding their celebrity status. This doesn’t bode well for either of their futures.

  212. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think that extreme bashing of any groups of people whether it be gays, or Christians, or whoever is not right.

    First I’m going to take extreme bashing out of this quote and then disagree with the statement.
    I don’t think it’s only acceptable but even mandatory to speak against opinions that are hateful toward a group of people. I’m certainly not talking about christians in general but the ones who try to impose they’re way of living on others, are hateful toward certain life styles or groups of people.
    I find it kinda ironic that the most intolerant demand tolerance toward them.

  213. terfra
    May 18th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
    Godà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Word doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t change. Man changes.
    This politically correct world is nonsense. There is no reason for any apologies from Michael or Danny. The truth is the truth.
    And I have not seen where Danny has been disrespectful of Adam. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure he is praying for Adam to see the light and get saved.

    I haven’t replied to anything I’ve read here all season. This finally pushed me to it.

    Praying for Adam to see the light and get saved? I don’t know him personally, then neither do any Christians know Danny or any other contestant personally– ok– most of us do not know these contestants personally. Fair enough?

    No one knows what these people do away from the cameras. What we see may not always be what IS. If your belief is in fundamental Christianity, kudos, wonderful. If it works for you and your life is richer because of your beliefs, I think it’s great.

    Adam has said (note, I don’t try and speak FOR him, I’m paraphrashing what I’ve heard him say) that he is comfortable with himself. He has confidence in who he is. No one should come out and say he needs to see anything but what he does– a reflection he is both proud of and believes in.

    This is the land of the free. Christians are free to believe in their Christianity. Everyone else is free to believe in what they believe in. That does not make the Christians right. It is the same as my coming on here and saying you need to see the light about those who choose not to live a Christian lifestyle. I won’t do that though because how you live is just NONE OF MY BUSINESS.

    edit: dial back the anger, please

    Apologies, mj. As a Catholic who is fed up with the portrayal of Christians in the news and on the Internet lately I may have crossed a line.

  214. yeah, lets wash their mouths out with soap. That’ll teach ’em.
    Poor guys, get in the public eye and you are grist for the mill.
    Every word you utter will now be viewed and critiqued like your song choices, your voices, and your talent.

    I’m done with it, no outrage here, just sadness.

  215. I have a feeling that everyone will forget about this entire thing when the Tour comes and will go back to being friendly people. I don’t approve of Sarver’s response or actions, nor do I approve of Danny saying “right way”.

    I dunno, I just think it would be better if all 10 of them had the same bus >_>. 7 guys on one bus, 3 girls on the other. I have a feeling there won’t be much interaction, and the whole thing might turn awkward. That said, I really really hope they kinda put this behind them.

  216. I see even more truckloads of hate headed towards Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s way.

    Er. He brought it on himself, so I don’t feel bad. At all. He’s nearly 30 years old. He’s not a kid. He’s responsible for his actions. And actions have consequences. That’s life.

  217. From a totally different angle, it does make me sad to watch them learn the hard way that they are fools to try to give back to their fans by opening the door like this. It’s just an unfortunate fact of celebrity life that people take snippets and weave realities that then are the obvious truth to them. Maybe Alexis hates Michael Sarver, or maybe she knew that she didn’t look her best after jumping around for hours, and he’s been married long enough to know that when a woman seems to be avoiding a camera you just leave her alone. Maybe Danny is a weirdo groping Allison, or maybe that’s how he’s played with his, what, 5 sisters his whole life. I heard Allison say in one of her interviews that Danny was the one that she joked around with at the house all the time, the way she said it, it sounded like a good thing but whatever.

  218. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Danny and Michael are being homophobic or donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like Adam, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just that they thing it is à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“wrongà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  to be gay since apparantly there is a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“rightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  way to love between 2 guys.

    Thinking it is “wrong” to be gay or feeling the need to clarify that your love is not of a romantic kind is the very definition of homophobic. They were “afraid” that someone might mistake their declaration of love for being romantic. Homophobic = fear of gays and lesbians, or fear of being thought of as gay or lesbian.

    I’m not sure that I am shocked that Michael or Danny’s have these attitudes, but I am completely appalled by some of the defenses I have heard here. This video and it’s “apology” isn’t about the American Idol competition. It’s about the willful ignorance of two human beings. The fact that anyone is trying to bring this back into Adam vs Danny on Idol is much more horrifying than anything they’ve said, IMO. If you like Danny as a contestant that’s fine, but don’t get your appreciation for his performances mixed up with his opinions on homosexuality. If you agree with him on this issue then you have a right to your opinion, but please understand that mine and others distaste for it have nothing to do with the show.

    On semantics in the right wing Christians (because it isn’t all Christians) vs. gay people debate: It doesn’t matter what a few people on the fringes of any issue say on a talk show or radio show. What matters is the overall message of each. Right wing Christians are telling gay people to stop being gay and to live their lives the way the right wing Christians want them to. Gay people are asking to be able to live their lives the way they chose, and the right wing Christians can live their lives the way they chose. The latter group are not interested in going into anyone’s home to tell them what to do. They are just asking that no one come into their’s. Bashing from anyone on either side is wrong, but doesn’t change the overall arguments.

    ETA: I like “I’m Coming Out” as a song suggestion, but if Adam really wants to show his colors, so to speak, he should totally bust out some Sylvester!

  219. This is ridiculous. One comment and these two are labled homophobes. Nearly every guy I know would probably have reacted the same way. I think looking back he probably would have phrased it differently. But, like I said before this is ridiculous.

    I love Adam to death and have voted for him nearly week. But, if supporting Danny means labeling and bashing those who think different homophobes. I will be offically getting off the Adam train.

  220. I think TPTB will be wise to not let Danny (or Michael) do any interviews with the media during the tour and put a gagging order on them as I’m not very confident that there won’t be anymore foot in mouth moments….lol

    From what I’ve seen in various interview they should leave the on tour media promo to Adam, Alison and Anoop.

  221. Okay, bottom line is, whatever Danny and Michael’s motives/intentions were, it doesn’t matter to the viewing audience because their statement comes across as VERY OFFENSIVE to a large group of people.

    God, I feel offended by the heaps of stupidity in their statement and Sarver’s subsequent ‘apology.’
    Srsly boys, plz stfu and stfd.
    Thank you.

  222. Someone brilliant on TWoP (bzork) said it best :

    Fear not Sarver, thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no danger of anyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s penis being up your ass, thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no room left next to your head.

    Bwahahahahhahahahaaha…Oh I love the internet!And mankind,,hehehehhehehehe

    :lol_tb: Bzork FTW :thumbup_tb:

  223. Michael and Danny deserve any bashing they get for using the term “godly” when describing their love for each other. Sanctimonious pricks, the pair of them.

  224. Thinking it is à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“wrongà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  to be gay or feeling the need to clarify that your love is not of a romantic kind is the very definition of homophobic. They were à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“afraidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  that someone might mistake their declaration of love for being romantic. Homophobic = fear of gays and lesbians, or fear of being thought of as gay or lesbian.

    Thinking it’s wrong to be gay has absolutely nothing to do with being afraid of gays/lesbians or being afraid of being gay/lesbian. I know plenty of people who think it’s wrong to be gay, yet have gay friends. They aren’t afraid of it, they just believe it’s wrong.

  225. ahh, perhaps kris and adam sharing nail polish and the kradam fascination was just too much for these “macho”, “manly” guys to take in…ha. poor dudes, even if they were gay, nobody would care. we only care about kris and adam bc both are madly talented and hot. :wub_tb:

    disclaimer: macho and manly are being used w. the outmost sincere form of sarcasm

  226. In about two hours, something else is going to be the news topic.
    This will all blow over once Adam and Kris take the stage tomorrow night. It will all be forgotten, because the end is near.

    AMEN!!! :clap_tb:

  227. I find it laughably pathetic that this is headline worthy news…..pffff!!! My first reaction was, huh?? I mean I have heard and seen that reaction plenty of times after a guy says he “loves” another guy, it’s the same thing as guys that go to the movies together leaving that “we’re not gay” empty seat between them. I don’t see it as homophobic at all, stupid?? well yeah kinda but not disprespectful or prejudice.

  228. I love Adam to death and have voted for him nearly week. But, if supporting Danny means labeling and bashing those who think different homophobes. I will be offically getting off the Adam train.

    Because what is said by human beings other than Adam in the comments of an AI fan blog reflect on Adam how? This issue isn’t about the show anymore. (show fan, mj, not contestant fan;-) )

    And I know I said it maybe two posts up, but I think it bears repeating:

    Thinking it is à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ wrongà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  to be gay or feeling the need to clarify that your love is not of a romantic kind is the very definition of homophobic. They were à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ afraidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  that someone might mistake their declaration of love for being romantic. Homophobic = fear of gays and lesbians, or fear of being thought of as gay or lesbian.

    The guys have a right to their opinions, but that doesn’t change the fact that those opinions are homophobic. If you agree with them, you have a right to your opinion too.

  229. Well, I, for one, do believe that being gay is a choice. To date, I don’t think anyone has proven otherwise; however, studies show that there isn’t a gay DNA gene.

    I seriously doubt that if Danny and Michael were Muslims, this discussion wouldn’t be happening. This just gives others a chance to bash Christians who disagree with homosexuality.

    It seems like such a double standard, and drawing a line in the sand. If one supports the gay lifestyle they are heralded. However, if they don’t, then they are bashed. I don’t think there will ever be a consensus of opinion on this matter. It fuels a much heated debate from both sides.

    It seems that people are hating on Danny and Michael because they believe something different than the politically correct opinion. This is their freedom of speech in action. Yet, there are those who hate Danny and Michael because they disagree with Adam.

    And, I also think that since Adam has been fairly open with being gay or bisexual, he, too, opens himself up to fiery darts. All’s fair in love and war.

    I think I’m just sick of this subject.

    I think I’ll coin a new phrase, Christianphobia.

  230. I find so ironic that gays and lesbians are always on their soapbox about tolerance. But, lately the gay/lesbian community seems to be the most intolerant of all. Any comments rather innocent or not are bashed to high heaven. If you don’t agree 100% with us you’re againts us. None of us no what went on in that house. From what I have seen on the show Danny and Adam seem to get along fine. Hell, for all we know Adam saying we agree to disagree could mean Adam want’s to sleep with the light on and Danny wants it off.

    But, noooooo! It has to mean that Danny is a homophobe. If poor Kris actually wins this debate will never end.

    I can see the headlines now US Not Ready For Gay AMerican Idol!!!!

  231. Thinking ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wrong to be gay has absolutely nothing to do with being afraid of gays/lesbians or being afraid of being gay/lesbian. I know plenty of people who think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wrong to be gay, yet have gay friends. They arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t afraid of it, they just believe ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wrong.

    A bit off topic and I don’t want to sound disrespectful, but I just don’t get this statement. IMO if somebody is your friend you accept him for who he is. So how can you be someone’s friend if you think in essence he lives his life wrong? I get having a friend and you don’t approve of his actions but with thinking it’s wrong to be gay you disaproove of him directly.

  232. jlexis06 May 18th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    I love Adam to death and have voted for him nearly week. But, if supporting Danny means labeling and bashing those who think different homophobes. I will be offically getting off the Adam train.

    Majority of the responses to the video here do not deal with Adam. I like many other don’t think the comment had any relation to Adam AT ALL.

    However, it clearly shows the stand Michael and Danny take on the concept of homosexuality. They are entitled to their opinion, but I highly disagree with their opinion. They choose to think that there is a “right and godly” way to love someone, it makes me sad. But if that’s what they think, then that’s what they think.

  233. jlexis06, I think perhaps you misunderstand. This isn’t about Adam, it is about Gokey and Sarver just not getting it. This wasn’t a private little exchange. Sarver POSTED it on his myspace.

  234. It seems that people are hating on Danny and Michael because they believe something different than the politically correct opinion. This is their freedom of speech in action.

    Ha. Do you see what you did there? How are they entitled to their freedom of speech, but the people who would criticize them are not? I’m sorry, but spare me. I’m so sick of hearing “freedom of speech” cried out as a defense for one’s bigotry, as if alternative opinions aren’t equally protected. As much as I may disagree with them, sure, you absolutely have the *right* to express your beliefs. But that doesn’t mean anyone else is required to sit back and decline to respond.

  235. Well, I, for one, do believe that being gay is a choice. To date, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think anyone has proven otherwise; however, studies show that there isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a gay DNA gene.

    ARE
    YOU
    SERIOUS???
    Really???
    :wallbash_tb:

    Well then, I guess I am a straight man suffering from a mental disorder or possession from Satan himself.
    Wow, I feel sorry for you. Such a narrow view of the world around you.
    Open your eyes. It is a beautiful and diverse place! All you need is love!

  236. I’m not surprised that they would think this sort of qualification necessary. I’m surprised that they would go on the record about it, not expect a backlash, and when a backlash hits them smack in the face, tell those who have taken offence, ‘sorry that you’re pissed off.’

    Honestly? If they had the balls to make the statement in the first place, the only options they had would be to: (1) stick it out and say what they really think, or (2) apologize. I could respect either, though I would most respectfully disagree with them if they chose to go with (1). Anything besides — especially this half-assed backtracking — just amps up the lady-protesting-too-much hypocrisy up to an 11.

  237. Freedom of speech means everyone can say what they want to say and not get arrested or penalized by a government entity. It doesn’t mean you can say what you want to say and not face criticism. There is a difference between being persecuted for your beliefs and having those beliefs be merely unpopular.

    That said, I still think this is a bit of a tempest in a teapot. LOL.

  238. I seriously doubt that if Danny and Michael were Muslims, this discussion wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be happening. This just gives others a chance to bash Christians who disagree with homosexuality.

    As someone who has spent more time around Muslims than you, yes the argument would be happening. It does. Every day. With people from every right wing/ conservative sect of every religion on Earth. Even in America. You just don’t see it on TV as much because they aren’t as loud or as large a population as the right wing Christians. (not touching the ‘choice’ thing – it can’t end well)

    Btw, I’m saying “right wing” because I know that not all Evangelicals agree with Danny/ Michael, and some of the people who do agree with them are not Evangelical.

    I actually wish I could go back and edit an earlier post because the truth is this isn’t Christian vs gay except in the US and other Western countries. It’s zealot vs gay. All spiritual texts talk of loving your fellow man and letting God (or whatever name you want to use for Him) be the judge. I’m not sure at what point God said that a specific group of humans could make His decisions for Him, but a lot of people of varying Faiths seem to think that they’ve been anointed for this task.

    ETA:

    As far as I can tell Danny wears clothes made with fiber blends; cuts his hair and beard; eats shrimp, lobster and pork, mixed meat and dairy; and doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t support stoning adulterous women to death. So way does he, or anyone, pick only this one of the 613 commandments to quote?

    I heart you, TKat.

  239. Immediately following every Wednesday boot show, that cheesy follow-up show Idol Tonight with Jillian Whatsherface makes the bootee endure further torture by sitting down for an interview. Part of each segment features a bit called Idols on Idols in which the other nine tour mates of the bootee are basically called upon to say something nice about their fallen comrade. On Sarver’s night, Adam stated (and I’m paraphrasing from my very sketchy memory) that although he and Michael were very, very different, Adam respected the way Michael came into the competition with an open mind willing to get to know all the contestants. How generous of Adam to give him the benefit of the doubt. I think Michael has better social skills and simple good manners than Danny and knows how to be polite to people to their face, but I guess during unguarded moments his true biases come out. Poor Adam. It has to be tough for him to have to serve as gaybassador to some of these tackless crackers. As others have speculated, Adam may well be the first gay man some have encountered and had to interact with on any type of consistent basis. I suspect that the more enlightened, evolved, or simply non-judgmental contestants could give a rats ass as to a castmate’s orientation, but then there are these two doofuses from the “love the sinner, hate the sin” school of thought.

  240. okay while I don’t think what Danny and Micheal said was appropriate (one should really think before speaking, which evidently Danny tried t do but didn’t go all the way through with it) because often comments like this escalate/digress into other, more complex issues which get trivialized with brash comments like this so I thought I’d bring in a little humor into the topic (because ultimately we are all waiting for the finale and trying to come up with stuff to talk about until then) what is up with Danny groping Allison like that? I mean I know they are friends but he needs to take it easy :nono_tb:…just pause the video at 1:29 and you’ll see what I’m talking about LOL…honestly I think that is more offensive than the other ‘controversial’ comments
    (LOL not really but w/e)

  241. Well, I, for one, do believe that being gay is a choice. To date, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think anyone has proven otherwise; however, studies show that there isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a gay DNA gene.

    I seriously doubt that if Danny and Michael were Muslims, this discussion wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be happening. This just gives others a chance to bash Christians who disagree with homosexuality.

    Are you serious? So since there isn’t a “straight” gene, does that mean it’s a choice to be straight?

    In my opinion this has nothing to do with their religion. You can be Christian and still be open minded/tolerant. There are plenty of Christians who aren’t bigots.

    It seems like such a double standard, and drawing a line in the sand. If one supports the gay lifestyle they are heralded. However, if they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t, then they are bashed. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think there will ever be a consensus of opinion on this matter. It fuels a much heated debate from both sides.

    Maybe because homosexuality isn’t a “lifestyle” or a “choice” or a “preference.”

    And, I also think that since Adam has been fairly open with being gay or bisexual, he, too, opens himself up to fiery darts. Allà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fair in love and war.

    You’ve got to be kidding me. Adam’s sexuality shouldn’t even be an issue.

  242. “I find it laughably pathetic that this is headline worthy newsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..pffff!!! My first reaction was, huh?? I mean I have heard and seen that reaction plenty of times after a guy says he à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“lovesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  another guy, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the same thing as guys that go to the movies together leaving that à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re not gayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  empty seat between them. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see it as homophobic at all, stupid?? well yeah kinda but not disprespectful or prejudice.”

    Amen jj123… slow news day.

  243. Well, I, for one, do believe that being gay is a choice. To date, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think anyone has proven otherwise; however, studies show that there isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a gay DNA gene.

    Anyone is also free to believe the world the world is flat, if they so desire. Can you supply us with the citations for any of those studies?

  244. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d say their is a whole lot more intolerance by Adam fans (not necessarily on this board in particular) than by Danny Gokey and Michael Sarver.

    This type of argument is called “equivocation”.

    To make this argument is a logical fallacy.
    That is, it’s an “improper” argument that
    carries no weight.

    Either “intolerance” is “wrong” (in all cases)
    or it is not. If it is, then it doesn’t matter that
    one group or another is more or less.

    For example, with a top of mind political issue,
    one could argue that “Torture” is always wrong.

    Consequently, the criticism of any perpetrator
    would be founded. That is, criticizing Gokey for
    intolerance is warranted even if the “critic is a
    hypocrite.

    If “intolerance” is only sometimes “wrong”

    Then again, the “degree” doesn’t matter, what
    matters is the function.

    And to be intolerant of dehumanizing bigotry
    makes sense. To be intolerant of people using
    ‘faith’ (insufficient evidence) to offer propositional
    truth… …that would fall into the category of
    “righteous” intolerance.

    And really, wouldn’t we want righteous intolerance
    to be strong?

    Think again to the Torture question…

    So I call “equivocation” on the poster who said
    “Adam fans are worse”.

  245. Obama is against gay marriage, much like I’m sure Danny Gokey and Kris Allen are.

    I like how Kris is “o.k.” because although he’s a Christian he doesn’t talk about it! That’s tolerance for you!

    “As long as I don’t have to see it or hear about it, you are o.k. to practice it.”

    Almost sounds like what you are accusing Christians of trying to do to Adam, no?

  246. heathus
    May 18th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
    Well, I, for one, do believe that being gay is a choice. To date, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think anyone has proven otherwise; however, studies show that there isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a gay DNA gene.

    I seriously doubt that if Danny and Michael were Muslims, this discussion wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be happening. This just gives others a chance to bash Christians who disagree with homosexuality.

    Are you serious? So since there isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“straightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  gene, does that mean ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a choice to be straight?

    I do like your post.It makes me think and that is a good thing.

    I do think its a choice but i choose to leave it to my god if its a bad one.

  247. I can’t even get through all the comments.
    There are so very many people who just don’t get it. I mean really, just DON’T.

    I can sense the frustration of those trying to make a point, and trying to explain to the ones who don’t get it….WHY their thinking is skewed.

    Sadly, I know that very few of these misguided souls will be able to comprehend what you are trying to tell them. But I understand and applaud your drive to make a difference and turn the light bulb on for these people. I guess if 1 out of a 100 starts to second guess what their church or their society “teaches” them….you’ve made strides.

    It’s the entire race issue all over again. I lived through the perceived inequality in skin color. I lived through the perceived inequality in gender. I’m living through another time where people just don’t understand that there is even inequality going on.

    It takes me back to when I was younger and tried and tried and tried to make people understand. It’s like when my father referred to people of color with the “N” word. He knew in his head that there was no difference between us, yet this word kept coming up (until I had a really good discussion with him one day)…his rationale was “he didn’t mean anything by it, that’s just how he was raised”….but it still hurt feelings and continued to feed the fear and hatred in other people.

    It’s the same type of thing. “innocent” comments said in passing, don’t necessarily overtly mean anything…but they DO continue the misconception that there IS a need to clarify. Gaydom shouldn’t even be a topic of conversation, and I am truly hopeful that before I die, I will see society totally shift (as it should) toward a better, brighter, more enlightened view.

    Other countries ‘get it’….why doesn’t America…..

  248. What sucks about this the most is the amount of attention these two idiots are getting. I tried to cut Gokey some slack but Tool Man and Meat Head can go fuck themselves.

    In a Godly way, of course.

  249. Starrlight May 18th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    What sucks about this the most is the amount of attention these two idiots are getting. I tried to cut Gokey some slack but Tool Man and Meat Head can go fuck themselves.

    In a Godly way, of course.

    Oh wow, that’s vicious stuff! Ouch! :shock_tb:

  250. Yeah well :P

    It comes from having worked hospitals in the late 80’s and taking care of gay men with AIDS and watching their own families shun them. I have zero tolerance for it.

  251. You know, just because Sarver and Gokey are going through all this trouble to clarify the “status of their relationship”, Im beginning to think they’re a little gay for each other…lolz

  252. To date, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think anyone has proven otherwise; however, studies show that there isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a gay DNA gene.

    Wow, so many things wrong with that sentence; where to start?

    First: nice try but no. The Xq28 genetic marker on the X chromosome was identified by Hamer et al. in 1991 as being linked to male homosexuality. Further studies conducted in 1993 and 1999 disputed these original findings, but the issue is not conclusive either way, and comparable research in the field is still being conducted. Your statement itself draws faulty conclusions. Also, you can’t exactly prove a negative.

    Second: studies conducted in the field of biological influences upon sexual orientation are not solely limited to the field of genetics. I’m not going to quote a whole list here, but check out wikipedia’s sources cited for this particular issue.

    Third: what the hell does this have to do with anything?

  253. Starrlight May 18th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Yeah well :P

    It comes from having worked hospitals in the late 80à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s and taking care of gay men with AIDS and watching their own families shun them. I have zero tolerance for it.

    Amen, and hallelujah, sister.
    Silence=Death
    :zip_ee:= :furious_tb:

  254. Obama is against gay marriage, much like Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure Danny Gokey and Kris Allen are.

    What does gay marriage have to do with this argument? Nothing.

    I like how its great that Kris is à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“o.k.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  because although heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a Christian he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t talk about it! Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tolerance for you!

    Kris doesn’t need to “talk” about it. His actions speak louder than words. As do the words and actions of his family, who seem to have embraced Adam just the way he is.

    Almost sounds like what you are accusing Christians of trying to do to Adam, no?

    Nobody is accusing Christians of anything.

  255. It truly bums me out to see stuff like this 20 years down the road. People need to take care of their own business and stop with the judgement calls on who someone else loves.

  256. OK. This thread has gotten way out of hand.

    The whole “Gay is a choice” argument is so ridiculous (I mean, incredibly ridiculous), ignorant and over the top, I’m going to stop it right here.

    Let’s get back to discussing the video.

  257. How many buses do they use for the tour? I somehow doubt Danny and Sarver will be on any bus that Adam, Kris and Allison are on.

    Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll probably have their own godmobile with Jesus taking the wheel that they can preach out of :rolleyes_tb:

    No no, Jesus will just be the co-pilot :)

  258. All you need is love…
    (everybody!!)
    All you need is love
    All you need is love, love
    Love is all you need

    There, i feel better! Whew!

    The video is all just a case of dumb and dumber. Hope they will learn from this and watch what they say from here on out.

    Or else AI execs will bury them in the industry for being dumb-asses.

  259. I stick by my thoughts and beliefs that being gay is a choice.

    I’m convinced that is not true but just for arguments sake let’s assume I agree with it.
    So what? If someone “chooses” to have sex with the same gender how does this concern you? The free society should be based on freely choosing your way of life as long as that choice doesn’t violate someone elses rights.

  260. Tony, you say

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a big deal. Guys joke about not being gay all the time. And I should knowà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a guy.

    This is a logical fallacy. It’s the fallacy of familiarity.
    You’re suggesting because something is “common”
    it is correct or ethically okay.

    Starvation happens all the time, it’s really no big deal,
    Right?

    Many guys joke about women and degrade them…they
    do this in groups all the time, and does that make it right?

    Oh, and when some men do that there’s a term for it the
    term is SEXISM.

    When men joke either about being gay, or not being gay,
    or calling another of their friends gay, or even something
    they find “lame” to be gay…

    there’s a term for that too.

    It’s called homophobia.

    So, contrary to what you say here…

    That certainly doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make him homophobic (a word that gets thrown around WAY too often).

    It does make them homophobic.

    The fact is the baseline culture is homophobic.

    It would actually be more surprising if they weren’t.

    And since it’s “highly common” I doubt the word get
    thrown around “way” too often. Most likely the word
    is not applied when it’s due.

    But I guess that since Gokey is now in the public eye, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s being held to a higher standard.

  261. One of my favorite things from last season (yeah, sorry, I still live there) was when a reporter asked David Cook what he whispered to David Archuleta on the stage right after the results were announced. David’s answer was, “I think I told him I love him.” Period. No disclaimer. No explanation. No clarification….as if one is ever needed.

    On a lighter note, I guess when I say I love my dog now, I damn well better explain that just to, you know, make sure people don’t think I want to do my dog.

  262. Er. He brought it on himself, so I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t feel bad. At all. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s nearly 30 years old. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not a kid. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s responsible for his actions. And actions have consequences. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s life.

    I think that he is definitely an adult that is responsible for what he says and does, and that he should be mindful of the stuff that he says and acts. And I hope that he tries to be that way from now on. And I know that when people mess up, there are going to be consequences for the stuff that they do sometimes.

    However, there seems to be bad consequences for everything that Danny does/says. A lot of people find fault, with everything that he does, and have admitted that. If he smiles heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s being smug, if he laughs heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s being smug, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been accused of not being a good Christian, by some people for reasons that werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t clarified.

    Some people have said heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s hates Adam and Kris and a whole bunch of other stuff that has never been proven. They say thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s looked at Allison inappropriately, people say they hope he fails at everything, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve seen some really creepy stuff said about him, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s IMO, is far creepier than anything that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s said or done.

    He doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t suffer consequences for what he said today, he has to deal with the consequences of what he does/says everyday, for stuff a lot of times thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not even bad.

    Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s constantly ripped to threads, and trashed and bashed. I know that when he put himself in the public eye, he ran the risk of this happening. And I know that people say other Idols are bashed, and they are but nowhere near the level that Danny is. I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t help feel sorry for him, because I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s deserved all of the hate thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s spewed at him, on an hourly basis. And I am a fan of his.

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“evilà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  or a really horrible person, and a lot of other stuff that a lot of people have said about him. I think that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a decent guy, who has said some stuff that he shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have said. I think that he can be awkward at times, but I still care about him, and I view his comments the way that some other people on this thread that have defended him do.

    I hope that he will wisen up about things. I think that he will and that being in the public eye, and being scruntized/watched all of the time, will help him do so.

  263. edited because I really didn’t need to post a long rant to say this:

    Not a choice. Not a preference. Most people would never choose to be gay from childhood given all the shit that goes with it.

    I think Gokey and Sarver should take a hard look at themselves. As for me, I’m finished with the both of them. And Gokey needs to keep his hands off Lava Girl.

  264. This has been an interesting topic. And there are a lot of view points out there, so I’m trying to be open-minded.

    edit: I mean it we’re done with the topic

    And back to Kris and his dad, it just seems like with Kris’ dad being aware of the situation, he would have been sensitive not to make jokes about kissing his son on national television.

  265. mj May 18th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    (mj, please just make it stop)

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m on it, kid.

    You’re my hero.
    And kid?
    Cool…haven’t been called that in 20 years. Thanks!

  266. One of my favorite things from last season (yeah, sorry, I still live there) was when a reporter asked David Cook what he whispered to David Archuleta on the stage right after the results were announced. Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s answer was, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I think I told him I love him.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Period. No disclaimer. No explanation. No clarificationà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.as if one is ever needed.

    I remember this and I loved it too. Of course Cook is 100% made of super awesomeness.

  267. I still think it’s ridiculous to say that ‘if Gokey and Sarver were…….. then…….’ They’re not, so they can’t hide behind those veneers, and I disregard any attempt to shield them from criticism for those reasons.

    I don’t have a problem with people disagreeing on this matter and I can live with those who have opinions that differ from my own — but the fact of the matter is that they could not buckle up and face the music, chose not to offer up a simple honest apology for this gaffe, an apology that does not reflect blame back upon the viewers who do take offence.

  268. I mean it. Get back to discussing the video. I’m deleting posts that are about anything else, including the ones that lecture and fingerwag.

  269. Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s answer was, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I think I told him I love him.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Period.

    I remember that. It was beautiful.

    edit: don’t even mention it. the subject is closed

    And Danny has a history of saying… inarticulate things. I guess. So what he said didn’t evoke any more bad feelings toward him. He’s just a lost dude…

  270. To make this argument is a logical fallacy.
    That is, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s an à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“improperà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  argument that
    carries no weight.

    I have this (now not-so) secret desire to go though one of these terribly wanky threads and point out all the logical fallacies in them. Of course, if I tried this one I’d be here for at least a week. ugh

    Rock on, starrlight. I too can’t believe we are still having some of these arguments.

  271. However, there seems to be bad consequences for everything that Danny does/says.

    Umm maybe because he’s a douche and everything he does/says is full of douchebaggery? I honestly feel if you apply for American Idol, you apply for the whole of it. Nobody gets a pass, whether by age, gender, heritage, sexual identity. You signed up for it and, therefore, you are subject to the internets…be afraid, be very afraid….or be smart. As far as I can tell, neither Danny nor Sarver qualify for smart. Michael showed his scardycatness with his insipid apology. Just more fodder for the cannon. I honestly love to watch them sticking foot after foot in their mouths. It’s the price you pay for the CHANCE to be American Idol. Any who make it there or even close without sticking foot in mouth or http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/onesubtlediva/?action=view&current=headinass.jpg , deserve a hearty round of applause. I actually think this is probably the only year that contestants twittered and made videos before the season ended…maybe they should learn from past contestants.

  272. I have no idea what Danny and Sarver were thinking when they made these comments but what they said saddens me. This is an unfortunate situation all the way around.

  273. zoya, thanks. I’m just trying to be cool here and not give mj a headache. I’ve run websites with active commentary, and it can be a pain in the ass when this stuff comes up. And it’s really not my story to tell.

    I am curious about myself though: why does it creep me out so much when Gokey grabs Allison like that, but it totally doesn’t creep me out when Adam or Kris hugs her? That Creepy Guy Meter just pings and pings and pings with that guy.

  274. All I got from this was à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t worryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not gonna embarrass you in front of your friendsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’like every other kid hates being kissed by their parents in public. Same as à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹drop me off a block away so my friends donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see me with my mom/dad.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢

    iluvai–plz read the above.

  275. I made a comment earlier before Michael clarified his statement. I just want to say that I think he is even a bigger ass than I thought he was earlier. Why the hell did he think it was even necessary to clarify that statement? Danny was married to a woman, and I saw his Michael’s wife, so why did he think anyone would question their manly/godly love? Such fucking assholes. No judgments my ass.

  276. mj: Not sure why you edited my last post. It wasn’t mean, derogatory or intolerant. Just please erase my whole post at 5:29 since none of it is about the video anyway and I made the last point in reference to what you edited. Thanks.

  277. You know what? i’m really suprised that the Idol folks let him put up any type of video in the first place, regardless of the content, only because i thought that they were supremely strict. Anyways, anyone feel bad for Jasmine and Jorge because it doesn’t seem like anyone is paying attention to them. Also, I wondering what they’re going to be dancing along to.. it doesn’t look like the regular step step step.. haha.

    Aww.. poor Kris has to learn all this cheorography in addition to his songs for the finale! I’m not worried about Adam since I have a feeling he probably picks up on steps quicker.

  278. jlc: I read your comment and repect it. I lot of people saw it that way. I just didn’t.

  279. I watched the clip a few times. I got the impression that Danny intended to continue, but then he looked at Michael, and it was only after he looked at Michael that he clarified what he just said. I have the feeling it’s Michael who thought what Danny just said “love him to pieces” was not “appropriate” and somehow signalled to Danny to clarify.

    I agreed that Danny should not attempt to clarify what he just said, or he could continue by saying something like, “I love him like my brother”.

    I don’t think Homosexuality is wrong, but I can understand why some straight guys do not feel comfortable when being thought of being gay.

    AI contestants come from all parts of America, they come from different backgrounds, be it social, economic, and political. Obviously some contestants may not share the most liberal view on certain issues, I just don’t think it warrants so much attention.

  280. OK, did anyone else notice that Danny behaved completely differently once he realized he was being filmed? When he was interupted he was sort of nasty in demeanor and his voice was different. Sarver mentioned he was posting it on MySpace and, then, OMG! Hello! Switch turned on and it was Danny Gokey the AI Guy! He jumped up and started interacting with others… again, only AFTER that switch was flipped.

    Tool.

    On a better subject –

    Did anyone else notice how FUNNY Matt G was? He’s hilarious. And Allison – my girl. Love her. I wish Alexis was on the tour. She was screwed.

    So, how many duets will we get? In past years I thought it was top 3 or top 4 who got the duet opportunity, but Matt G is twittering (or is it tweeting?) that he has a duet as well.

  281. JJ123: “ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the same thing as guys that go to the movies together leaving that à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re not gayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  empty seat between them. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see it as homophobic at all, stupid?? well yeah kinda but not disprespectful or prejudice.”

    1) They were very clear that homosexuality is neither “right” nor “godly.” That’s pretty disrespectful to gay people.

    2) Any guys who are so concerned about appearing gay that they leave a seat between them when they go the movies are probably homophobic. I have very conservative Christian male cousins, and even they don’t do that.

    I am Christian and what was said in this video is the opposite of everything Jesus was about.

  282. That Creepy Guy Meter just pings and pings and pings with that guy.

    This creeped me out today, too. Didn’t bother me before today, but now that I saw the real “no camera” Danny Gokey personality, I’m generally disgusted by him so. Maybe I’m not the best judge, today!

    ETA:

    I am Christian and what was said in this video is the opposite of everything Jesus was about.

    Thank you, I agree.

    Let’s talk about the rest of the video now…

  283. “And, I also think that since Adam has been fairly open with being gay or bisexual, he, too, opens himself up to fiery darts. Allà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fair in love and war.”

    So, people responding negatively to the homophobic remarks made in this video is a sign of a lack of tolerance–but because Adam is simply being who he is, it’s okay to attack him?

    Got it.

  284. Talk about protest too much – if you gotta say it isn’t so makes me wonder if maybe it is…

    They just show themselves to be small minded people who probably have tiny little appendages. Kind of like the dudes who buy really big trucks and jack up the suspension and put huge tires on them – everytime I drive past them all I can think is – man you must have a small one :-)

  285. I’ll keep it simple, because a lot have been said:

    1- Whatever you read ‘Starrlight’ say in this thread, I’m absolutely on the same page.

    2- It’s not that people are making much ado about nothing (see what I did there? :wink). But I believe the fact that it’s Danny (a person who prior to that, have been described often as a “douche”), make people less forgivable. And Matt’s apology is like digging your own hole……with a spoon. Just a sad and depressing view.

    3- Your religions and beliefs are for you and you alone. It should never, ever cross that line. I learned in elementary: “Your rights ends when mine starts. And vice-versa”. I still believe that was one of the most important lessons I ever learned.

  286. To Cheeryo

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t thing that would have made any difference. People would have jumped on these two no matter how they phrased it. They (Michael and Danny) are not allowed to express their opinion on this matter.

    They are ABSOLUTELY allowed to express their
    ignorant opinions.

    And for doing so, they will be called on the carpet
    as those of us with a more enlightened view are
    also allowed to do.

    Personally, I dislike the term “allowed” as if there
    an authority or judge out there which could limit
    the expression even if that were desirable (which
    it is not).

    I’m personally GLAD these two made these public
    statements because it elevates the discourse.

    The number of …wow, I now see what Adam
    (and other gay people) have to go though… posts
    is heart warming.

  287. It comes from having worked hospitals in the late 80à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s and taking care of gay men with AIDS and watching their own families shun them. I have zero tolerance for it.

    I was a volunteer for several years in the late 80s/early 90s at an AIDS Foundation residential facility for people in the last months of their lives who had no family who would or could take them in. It was a privelege for me to give affection to people who were lacking it from the people in their lives who should have been there for them, but weren’t. So I am no apologist for homophobia, to say the least. But I am not on the hate hysteria train from this video. My problem with the reaction to this video is that people are taking a couple of brief comments and using them to turn these guys into symbols of oppression and are ready to burn them at the stake. I think it is wrong. We have not had a chance to talk to these guys about how they feel. Could those comments indicate hostility towards gay men? Maybe. Could they indicate a fairly typical macho embarrassment over expressing affection? Maybe. Could they reflect couple of guys who are sticks in the mud and know they are sticks in the mud compared to the glorious Kradam poking a little fun at the whole thing? Maybe.

    As I’ve mentioned on here before, I love Adam about as much as it’s possible to love a person that I’ve never met and likely never will meet, and it breaks my heart to think of him having to deal with hatred directed toward him simply because of how he was born. But I don’t see awkwardness as the same thing as ill will. Many years ago when I first starting hanging out with gay men friends, there were moments of awkwardness for me. The first time I walked into a gay bar I probably looked pretty damn awkward, although I was happy to be there. But of course after awhile I relaxed and now I don’t really think of my friends as being differentiated between gay and straight, they’re just different couples to me. Based on what I know so far I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Michael and Danny that they are capable of making the same journey that I did when I was about their age.

  288. I don’t think Kris and Adam grab Allison the way Danny does lol but Allison did say Danny is a big goofball so I just ignore it.
    I love Megan, Allison and Matt G in the clip though. It’s unfortunate that the comment made the clip inappropriate.

  289. Watching that video, about the 1.30 mark, there is Danny AGAIN grabbing Allison where he SHOULD NOT BE GRABBING HER.

    I HATE THAT. :evil_wp:

  290. As far as I’m concerned, these two jugheads need to have their “go to the finale free” cards revoked. Tour, too. AI peeps need to leash & muzzle ’em-or at the very least, assign each a babysitter. As it is, they’ll prolly have to beef up their security.

    And if I go to a tour concert, I will excuse myself during their performances.

    Sorry–I’ll tolerate ignorance–but not stupidity.

  291. why does it creep me out so much when Gokey grabs Allison like that, but it totally doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t creep me out when Adam or Kris hugs her? That Creepy Guy Meter just pings and pings and pings with that guy.

    I’ve never seen Adam or Kris grope Allison in the way that Danny does. I’m guessing she doesn’t mind(?), but it just seems really inappropriate for a 29 year old man to be acting that way with a 17 year old!

  292. hi – one more thing – im glad these guys outted themselves as the idiots they are. it just goes to show that i am glad they did not make it to the finals.. but the ones who have REAL true class DID. NEVER EVER did we see Kris having to justify his freindship with Adam. and we’ve seen some very huggable pix with Adam and Kris. they both look very happy to be friends.

    I’m glad those 2 did NOT make it to the finals coz they do NOT represent what I feel is a true american idol.. someone i would look up to as a good example. (((american idol is kinda like the Miss America pagent for music)).

  293. edit: stick to the topic rather than mocking your fellow posters. did you actually think i wasn’t going to edit this post?

  294. I will be quick and sweet. Danny is a douchbag. It’s always been obvious that he didn’t like Adam. But get into the real world Danny. I don’t think there is a guy out there that would look at you in that way anyways. You are a sad kind of person that would make comments like that. Adam from what has been said is a really nice guy that just wants to sing in a competition. I wish everyone would just leave him alone and let him live the life he has selected for himself. I have so many gay friends and you know what, they are on the norm nicer and more accepting than anyone I know.

    Get a real life Danny. The top two have made amends with their friendship. You are on the outside looking in and I know that must just really piss you off. Go back to your church make music and change the world. But get the hell off the gay thing. By the way, how’s it feel to be #3!!!!!!

  295. each time i watch tht video,,, i hate that filthy old man gokey grabbing allison,,, trying to get off on a beautiful young girl.. when i was at the nightclubs, there were a lot of people ummmmmmmmmmm getting excited at this type of dancing,, called ‘dry humping”… that pig Gokey.. I CANNOT STAND HIM!!! WHAT A PIG!!!

    sorry to be so blunt, but ,, it makes me sick.. he is one SKEEVY douchebag. he needs to shave too.

    when he comes on stage at the tour, im going to turn my
    back on him just like in the military when you turn your back on a person who deserves SHAME.

    and shame on you gokey fans who stick up for his crap. dirty old man

  296. I’m SO GLAD ALLISON during that one group song, PUNCHED gokey on his chest a little too hard… good for her.

    but he prolly got his thrill for the day out of it grrrr..

  297. Wow, still going strong. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think banning them from the finale and the tour is ENOUGH PUNISHMENT for their stupid comments. Perhaps, they should be put in prison like gay people are in Cuba. I mean thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the least these bastards can suffer for making their stupid comments. Thank God they didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make any Brokeback Mountain jokes, because then I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know what punishment would fit their heinous crimes of saying stupid ass stuff that some people disagree with.

    Maybe they just need a little sensitivity training. After all, they’re going to have to spend a fair amount of time on a bus with Adam this summer. I would hate to see things get ugly.

  298. I seriously doubt Kris would grope Allison since he’s a married man. It does look inappropriate for Danny, however, he may just think of her as a kid sister??

  299. It does look inappropriate for Danny, however, he may just think of her as a kid sister??

    I think that is the way that he views her. I think that is the way that most of the Idols view her. Anoop, Lil and Adam have all said that she is like a little sister to them. I think that is the way that Danny sees her as well. I think that they play around with each other like two siblings would.

  300. Danny…..Just when I was trying so hard to like you…. I even visited his twitter, even there I just can’t stand him!! He is so into himself it’s not even funny. I won’t even comment on his behavior with Allison, becuase if I am being honest, that upset me more than the ignorant comment between Him and Michael. I just really hope that someone is watching out for her….
    Anyways….Matty G, Allison, Anoop, and Alexis are SO cute in this video!!

  301. May 18th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
    It does look inappropriate for Danny, however, he may just think of her as a kid sister??

    I think that is the way that he views her. I think that is the way that most of the Idols view her. Anoop, Lil and Adam have all said that she is like a little sister to them. I think that is the way that Danny sees her as well. I think that they play around with each other like two siblings would.

    ~~~~~~
    you know that MIGHT or MIGHT NOT be true, but it sure does not look appropriate or good representation of a person who is 26 or however gokey’s age is.. it does not look right. but you know what? he is just outting himself as the ignorant fool as he is. you know in front of the camera you are suppposed to be on your best behavior,, this just gives a clue as to how they are offscreen.. no wait.. this WAS caught on screen… hmmm wonder how they talk off screen.. SO IGNORANT.

  302. For me personally, being friends with gay men and loving them to death and not being gay myself, I find the choice of the phrases “right way” and “godly way” highly offensive. It makes me stop and think, just who the hell do you think you are to pass judgement on what is right and wrong for other people? If you prefer women over men, good for you that is your choice boys. But that does not mean, nor does your religion entitle you to, put down and basically try to shame any human who chooses to pursue a lifestyle that they find fulfilling, enjoyable, and gives them inner peace just because you decided not to tolerate it. Who are you, are you God? Didn’t think so. You are just soon to be Season 8 American Idol has beens.

    So to you Mr. Gokey, blatant homophobe, and your counterpart Michael, who is one brain cell shy of a blob fish, I say go away. Go do your Idol tour, and vanish into obscurity where you and your talentless personas, close minded views, and shitty opinions belong.

  303. (thinks to himself) Glad I was working today. I would have really gotten banned.

    Thank you sunchick for doing the logical heavy lifting today.

    I must register my vote for saying that many Christian gay men and lesbians know that their partnerships and marriages are completely godly. Some of them even voted for Gokey.

  304. I seriously doubt Kris would grope Allison since heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a married man. It does look inappropriate for Danny, however, he may just think of her as a kid sister??

    Maybe it’s just a godly grope?

    I am not surprised that people can make excuses for these two yahoos. I just don’t think it holds water because I was not always as enlightened as I am now, yet I would never have made a comment clarifying my love for someone of the same gender. You don’t always have to let your biases show. Also this says nothing about Kris or Adam, who have shown themselves to display so much of what Danny says he want to inspire. So much for walking the walk.

    Michael’s explanation was lame. I am surprised he didn’t know that.

    Danny gets so much shit, because he puts so much out there. Oh and yeah, hands off the rocker! MMMkay?

  305. Here’s a sincere, friendly suggestion to Manny Garver – a Love Unclarified. An apology is an opportunity to practice and cultivate true humility and loving kindness. Apology as heart tonic takes any offense received and feels the pain caused as their own. Apology is a chance to come to know the meaning of empathy.

    So, here’s one taste of what a true apology in this case might look like: “I want to sincerely thank all of you for your impassioned responses to the recent video I put out. Through all the feedback I received, I’ve come to realize that words can separate or they can connect us. And when I use words like ‘wrong’ and ‘ungodly’, I’m not just honoring my religious beliefs, I am actually actively building a wall. And that wall hurts me just as much as it hurts you because it diminishes our shared humanity.

    Now that I’ve had a chance for self-reflection, I realize that my statements fail the litmus test I try to live by – of loving one another as God loves me, of loving my neighbor as myself. I own the fear I displayed when I felt the need to add a disclaimer to my love for a friend. You’ve reminded me that love needs no qualifiers, no humans to establish its rightful parameters. All love really needs is for us to celebrate it, in all it’s beautiful, myriad colors. And, because of all of you, I’m learning how to open my heart and mind and do just that. Thank you for your guidance.”

  306. “It does look inappropriate for Danny, however, he may just think of her as a kid sister??”

    I don’t care if he sees her as his mother. *They are not related in any way*. She is a 17 yo girl and he’s a 29 yo man. And he’s GROPING her. Perviness aside, that’s a total invasion of space. *shivers*

    Also, just on tv, I saw 3X. One on the food fight and twice on this video. I imagine how many times he must have actually done it. Ugh.

  307. Ugh.

    Danny can’t catch a break.

    He may not be a favorite but he is human and all humans err including our veryownspecialselves.

  308. Movin2thabeet…I think for Sarver to have written something so eloquent, he’d first have to know the difference between then and than.

    Check out Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s twitter and his claim that he hit the note in Dream On 1000 times before the performance.

    :lol_tb: AI needs to put the gag order in Gokey.

  309. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s zealot vs gay. All spiritual texts talk of loving your fellow man and letting God (or whatever name you want to use for Him) be the judge. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not sure at what point God said that a specific group of humans could make His decisions for Him, but a lot of people of varying Faiths seem to think that theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been anointed for this task.

    Yes, THIS!

    I like how Kris is à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“o.k.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  because although heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a Christian he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t talk about it! Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tolerance for you!

    It’s not that he doesn’t talk about it, it’s that he lives it by example. That’s laudable and we not only tolerate it, we recognize, appreciate and applaud it!

    movin2thabeet: nice work. I’m now officially not holding my breath waiting for that apology! LOL

    Respectfully, imo, only those who are gay can say what comes naturally as opposed to by conscious choice. Kinda hard for the rest of us to have even the foggiest clue. But, if we’re looking for clues, does anyone actually believe that Ted Haggart chose to pursue the love interests that he did given his adamant condemnation of the same? I dunno, that seems to me to be a pretty telling litmus test, scientific or no. I saw him on Oprah after all the brohaha and actually felt sorry for the guy. He’s gotten a lot of counseling and admits it’s part of who he is, but his wife does not and simply says it’s temptation he has to reject, not who he is. Sad, sad situation (to me now.)

  310. If they want to apologize for making stupid comments, that’s up to them. However, if’s just to appease people or do the p.c. thing, I hope they don’t. Because I still don’t see anything but a tempest in a teapot.

    Plus I don’t like hypocrites. Which is what people who aplogozie but don’t mean it, are.

  311. Any apology at this point would be mute. They meant what they said, and they said what they meant. Besides, they already apologized didn’t they, all the while continuing the homosexual bashing in the process.

  312. I don’t think he screwed up.

    Guys say stupid shit all the time, including the very phrase Danny used, without recourse but, because it’s Danny it’s the end of the freakin’ world.

    I also don’t think it’s the duty of anyone to dish out “consequences” on the internet when the incident itself has been blown way out of proportion in order to dish out those consequences.

    edit: stick to discussing the topic, not namecalling posters. YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THAT

  313. It truly does not surprise me that Danny says something like this or acts this way. This below was taken from his pastor’s (Robin Pruitt) Twitter:

    “@lynnweathers do you have the kids duct taped in their rooms? That’s one way to get some peace and quite! ;)
    about 2 hours ago from mobile web ”

    So is it any surprise that someone who looks to “spiritual guidance” from these people is so uninformed about society??!

  314. JFC, everytime I pass by this thread on the front page I just get more and more pissed off.

    Why, thank you Michael and Danny for clarifying that you were lovin in the “right” way because I totally thought you! guys! were! f-king! each other! when you said “I love this guy.” Oh my f-king god, thank you so much for your GODLY-NESS.

    “I am sorry you were offended”?!?
    Really?!?
    That’s what I say when I’m pretending to apologize to someone.

    Okay, just wanted to get that outta my system.
    I am sorry if you were offended when reading this.*cough*

  315. Was that Danny grabbing Allison again. That man has to get himself a woman, and not a 17 yo one.

  316. what upset me was Danny said “the right way” and then be corrected by Michael with “godly way”. it’s just sad that these two see gays as wrong and ungodly and not give it a second thought to put it up on myspace for the world to see.

    apparently there are alot of people who believe like they do. i’m just glad my god doesn’t feel this way about gays. i truly believe in equal rights for all.

    “Well, I, for one, do believe that being gay is a choice. To date, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think anyone has proven otherwise; however, studies show that there isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a gay DNA gene.”

    and just a question, have they found the DNA gene for being hetrosexual?

  317. I see even more truckloads of hate headed towards Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s way.

    Er. He brought it on himself, so I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t feel bad. At all. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s nearly 30 years old. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not a kid. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s responsible for his actions. And actions have consequences. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s life.

    Yes, actions do have consequences. People have torn Danny to pieces, and there will be consequences.
    No, he didn’t bring anything on, he was not doing or saying anything wrong. Someone was swift to jump on an insignificant thing he said and blew it all out of proportion to further bury him.
    He wasn’t putting anyone down at all or offending. He has been respectful. Its the people on the internet that have been speaking for Danny and his actions. He has not even brought up the subject nor has he preached.
    This is so sad!
    He didn’t open this can of worms.

    edited out the off topic preaching

  318. I dont know what is more disgusting, Sarver and Gokey’s ignorant comments, or Gokey groping 17 year old Allison. …. morons

  319. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“It does look inappropriate for Danny, however, he may just think of her as a kid sister??à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t care if he sees her as his mother. *They are not related in any way*. She is a 17 yo girl and heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a 29 yo man. And heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s GROPING her. Perviness aside, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a total invasion of space. *shivers*

    Also, just on tv, I saw 3X. One on the food fight and twice on this video. I imagine how many times he must have actually done it. Ugh.

    That was 3x he groped her. Watch the video of the contestants warming up for their disco dance number. Everyone is doing warm up exercise and there sits Danny oogling Allison as she and Lil are doing their warm ups! I think he is a PERV

  320. Love is love. These boys are mistaking love for sex, or is it vice versa. They ought to have quite an uncomfortable time with Adam on tour. I think Adam is so used to it, that he will laugh about the whole thing.

  321. Love is love. These boys are mistaking love for sex, or is it vice versa. They ought to have quite an uncomfortable time with Adam on tour. I think Adam is so used to it, that he will laugh about the whole thing.

    :clap_tb: :smoke_tb:

  322. He wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t putting anyone down at all or offending.

    I think it’s more fair to acknowledge that he did offend. Even Michael, in his apology, acknowledged that.

  323. I agree it was a dumb comment but yet another thing I can’t get all worked up over.

  324. re: Danny’s potential “admiration” for Allison…. remember, his wife was a Latina, and they met when they were teenagers so…

    I’m not saying Danny’s hitting on Allison, but it’s possible there is more than brotherly affection, even if Danny doesn’t acknowledge it.

    I am no fan of his but don’t think Allison’s in any danger here. Besides which, I think she could totally take him in a fight. And she has the rest of the guys in the cast to back her up!!!

  325. yeah Allison will be OK, not only will her fellow contestants step in and protect her, her own family will AND we saw how she gave gokey a good punch her own self during that one group song. YAY! who knows how much crapola she had to endure all this time.

  326. I have to agree, I think she reminds him of his wife looks wise. Truth is, she isn’t, and he needs to leave the underaged girl alone and stop groping and manhandling her every chance he gets. I can’t for the life of me understand why the producers haven’t told him to keep his hands to himself.

  327. Wow, I’m glad my mistakes aren’t analyzed to death like this.

    I think we all could have imagined what those two believe about homosexuality based on their backgrounds. Heck, for all we know, maybe even Kris believes the same thing. (Or maybe not. I have no idea.)

    And yet….Adam, who is more directly affected by his fellow Idol contestants than any of us is, has:

    1. Chosen to agree to disagree with Danny and get along with him anyway.
    2. Acknowledged that Michael came to AI very different from himself but also willing to learn.
    3. Become good friends with Kris, who, whether or not he believes that homosexuality is wrong, DOES have a very different belief system than Adam does.

    edit: because we aren’t adam. don’t tell posters what to do

  328. Did you guys see Bill O’Reilly’s segment tonight on Adam and Kris??

    He introduced Adam as “might-be-gay” and Kris as “Christian”.

    They plastered the photos of Adam kissing that guy all over the screen again, and they pointed out how all the other Idol winners (Carrie, Kelly, Ruben, Jordin, etc.) are devout Christians and that the fact Danny was Christian, his voters will go Kris.

    They made a big deal of Kris being Christian but never mentioned Adam was Jewish. Just that Adam hasn’t mentioned his religion on the show.

    Finally, the show insinuated that Simon told America to vote for Adam because he was worried that America might not vote for Adam because he’s not Christian when there were two Christian singers competing against him.

    Basically, it was a vote for Kris campaign because he’s the good married Christian guy.

    I honestly cannot believe people don’t think Adam is an underdog….. lol

  329. aaahhh, the pix wont show up, but they are on the american idol forums, danny gokey forums, page 26, titled something like gokey pictures from church… see he makes fun of black people and drag queens and is having a load of fun making fun of them. grrrr…

    gogokey09
    Posts: 68 I guess “It don’t matter if you’re black or white”. This was taken at church.

    This is Pastor Kevin – We had a Drag Queen Party at Church.

    1 week ago :: May 09, 2009 – 03:31AM #2 Report Post Quote

    gogokey09
    Posts: 68 We had a drag party at church, these are some of the Drag Queens

    Here’s Danny dancing and having a great time at the Drag Party

  330. The consequences of opening your mouth and inserting your foot *on the internet* means you play you pay. Say something stupid be prepared to get verbally taken to task on the web. Sorry but he earned this with that comment. He can think that all he wants but when he signs up for a freakin reality show, he opens himself up to his audiences response to him.

  331. Anyone else thinking that Danny is going to overcompensate for this on Wednesday by all but humping Adam’s leg after Adam wins American Idol 2009? :P

    To make a serious point I’m sure that the interactions between Danny, Michael, and Adam will get more scrutinized now, fair or not.

  332. Wow.

    Peeps stick to the topic.

    And stop the lecturing and the finger wagging.

    Seriously. Everybody. Calm the eff down.

  333. edit: WHAT AREN’T YOU GETTING ABOUT MY BLOG RULES? CAN I SPELL IT OUT ANY CLEARER FOR YOU?

  334. Yeah, I’m not gonna get all worked up over this. Michael Sarver is just looking for his 15 minutes. Did you also catch the comment about the female Fox employee and he said “You can love her like you love me”. I mean, really. Get over yourself.

  335. LOL. Before I got all worked up about it – i finally calmed down. Reading 8 pages of thread about it helps of course. Hope Danny and esp Michael Sarver learn from this episode. Michael seems like a nice guy. I really like not to hate him. As this is his first time blunder in the media unlike a certain someone – I am reserving my judgment.

    I do wonder though – is there anyone here that have their worldview widen by following an AI contestant? This is my first year to follow a contestant or even a celebrity. I never put too much thought into whose music i am listening. I even remembered Michael Jackson fondly – my first concert was MJ’s. I learn so much about gay rights, prop 8, evangelicals etc just by hanging out at the Adam related boards.

  336. aaahhh, the pix wont show up, but they are on the american idol forums, danny gokey forums, page 26, titled something like gokey pictures from churchà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ see he makes fun of black people and drag queens and is having a load of fun making fun of them. grrrrà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    gogokey09
    Posts: 68 I guess à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“It donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t matter if youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re black or whiteà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ . This was taken at church.

    This is Pastor Kevin – We had a Drag Queen Party at Church.

    1 week ago :: May 09, 2009 – 03:31AM #2 Report Post Quote

    gogokey09
    Posts: 68 We had a drag party at church, these are some of the Drag Queens

    Hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Danny dancing and having a great time at the Drag Party

    here’s the link http://myidol.americanidol.com/go/thread/view/32575/14507281/SOME_INTERESTING_DANNY_PICTURES_I_FOUND_FROM_CHURCH

  337. I really do think it was a big faux pas – meant to be shared on Sarver’s MySpace site but doesn’t he realize that all that is public? I think he did and they were trying to backtrack but why post it then? I know I’m very careful what I say on MySpace or Facebook, realizing that others besides my intended audience may read it.

    Bottom line is we’ve all said and done really dumb things, sometimes in the heat of the moment, sometimes out of naivete, then wished we could’ve rewound the clock. I know I would absolutely hate to have a video of my thoughts shared on a bad day. I’m sure the guys are kicking themselves now. If we could just be flies on the walls there….

    To Adam’s credit I’ve not heard one unkind comment or any remark from him that could be deemed innapropriate. He did make that very witty retort to the TMZ “reporter” who asked “are you a friend of…(Dorothy presumably)?” but Adam cut him off and said ”’friend of who…you?” LOLOL.

    And I do think the gang was just roughhousing but any over-21 man rough- housing in a physical way with a minor female needs to consider what he is doing and how it will be perceived by others regardless if she is thought of as a little sister. I have a 17-year-old daughter and I would never be okay with some older guy doing that…at all.

  338. I actually aggree that they threw some homophobic comments doesn’t mean that they hate gay. They probably didn’t realize that it’s offensive to some.

    If only they had used the word “friendly” instead of “right/Godly”, it would have been different (although probably still slightly homophobic, but it’s less judgemental).

  339. edit: you posted this in the headlines thread where it belonged, now please don’t spam the threads.

  340. Sarver (didn’t even remember that he was on Idol. That’s how forgettable he was) and Dead Wife are both idiots…and by the way, DeadWife, I have a 17 year old sister and if some guy grabbed her like that, he would have to answer to all of us. There are boundaries and there is respect. When I was 17 I didn’t know how to tell guys who grabbed at me to leave me alone bc I didn’t want to look like I was not “cool” and didn’t know how to take a “joke”.

  341. To paraphrase from one of the EW articles that MJ so efficiently posts (Thanks MJ!), I’m standing on a molehill, wondering if it’s a mountain.

    I’m not impressed by the guys’ remarks of course, but I’m not surprised that they’re being so careful over remarks with just even a sniff of a gay slur, they tripped over their own words, fell, and ended up with both feet in their mouths. Danny, as usual, knew he slipped up, and looked to other people to help him out, in this case Sarver, who had to come up with “Godly way”. Really, Sarver, is that the best you can do? Take lessons on PC public speaking from Adam, or just shut up and grin like Kris would do.

    I can sort of understand where the guys might be coming from, as there’s been a recent avalanche of gay-related issues in my local news lately, in main spurred on by local happenings, but American Idol is also being highlighted as adding potential fire to the gay conundrum, and starting a culture war. Also, was it only yesterday/the day before where there were gay protests on what was termed an International Day for Gay Rights? Gay issues are at the forefront of many people’s minds now, just read some of MJ’s blog entries, where sooner or later, peeps would post something with a gay slur on blog entries that did not start out as gay topics.

    What I AM shaking my head over is how Danny just digs himself deeper and deeper into that giant mound of shit of his own making just waiting to fall on him . No matter what your background, or what people say, Danny, you’ve got to see that you need to improve your speaking skills. Go and take some business management courses to handle Sophia’s Foundation properly by yourself and a trustworthy group of people, and take up public speaking/public behaviour courses already. Stop relying on/listening to people to help you out of tough situations, take the initiative and handle the situation yourself, even if it’s just by keeping quiet and smiling sheepishly. Good luck, and STOP TOUCHING TEENAGERS! Stick with those of legal age who are not so self-conscious about telling you what they really think.

  342. So, what should be the punishment for Danny’s purported transgression in the deleted video? And who will mete it out? Perhaps he should he be sent to re-education classes? Sensitivity training? Should he be denied a recording contract? Should American Idol shun him and kick him off the finale? Should we, the buying public, shun him and refuse to buy his product(s)? Or perhaps folks like him should be forced to appear before some governmental body or panel at the penalty of a fine, community service or even jail time? I don’t know what should happen–if anything–but I sure wish I could’ve seen the video for myself before it was taken down! ETA: I see the video is back. Thanks, guys. Ok, so my take on this is that Danny really, reeeeaally needs to get out more.

  343. omg. why did i watch the BOR clip. why?? i knew what it would be like. i knew. and i watched it anyways.

    the world cannot be split into these false dichotomies. IT CANNOT! gay vs. not-gay. christian vs. non-christian. and there is certainly no right and wrong when it comes these things. there is only HUMAN. there is only LOVE.

    effin hell.

    too many beers during the bachelorette. (drinking every time the words “drama” “heart” or “love” are said is NOT a good idea by the way). :drunk_tb:

  344. carolinacharms , you can watch in the link at the top of this page.

    BTW, was I the only one who noticed that Sarver said at the beginning of the video that he posted this extra video cos HE LOVES US! I’m assuming that that’s in a Godly way too, even to the gays/lesbians watching the video?

  345. omg. why did i watch the BOR clip. why?? i knew what it would be like. i knew. and i watched it anyways.

    LOLOL, I’m not even gonna watch the O’Reilly clip because I’ve seen him before and know what he’ll say. It’s all for ratings.

  346. why does it creep me out so much when Gokey grabs Allison like that, but it totally doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t creep me out when Adam or Kris hugs her? That Creepy Guy Meter just pings and pings and pings with that guy

    Probably because we are usually right with our instincts and he is one?

    He’s too slimy for me, has been all season

  347. Check out Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s twitter and his claim that he hit the note in Dream On 1000 times before the performance.

    Why is he still talking about that shit? You would think he’d want to bury that, or he actually thinks it was any good? Laugh at yourself by all means to temper the embarassment of that horrible performance..once or twice..but he’s still twitting about it one week after?

    Self deluded creepy wanker!So effing glad he isnt in the finale!

  348. Danny and the other guy (not worth my time remembering his name) should be ashamed of themselves. They’re adults but act like 12 year olds. Even some 12 year olds have more common sense than they do. I am truly disgusted at these two grown ups.

  349. LOLOL, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not even gonna watch the Oà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢Reilly clip because Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve seen him before and know what heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll say. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all for ratings.

    I watched it and O’Reilly didn’t really have much to say. He’s virtually an Idol virgin. Accordingly, he has no basis on which to form conclusions. His guest, on the other hand, is an Idol watcher and insinuated that Danny’s Christian voters may rally to Kris since Kris is also Christian. O’Reilly looked bored. You could tell that this story was something that he and his producers felt obligated to “cover” for the sake of network loyalty–and ratings, of course.

  350. Danny should learn (and hopefully has learned by now) to keep his hands to him self, and realize whatever he says can be used for or against him (now that he’s famous)

    I would really hate to think that AI has become Gay vs. Strait Idol! I hope if Kris wins there aren’t a bunch of “Adam lost because he’s Gay, America needs to enter the 21st century” articles and if Adam wins there are “What’s happened to Christianity in America?” articles. I don’t think being gay/strait defines someones faith at all and it shouldn’t be a part of the competition!

    Isn’t the best part about this season that the “Christian” and the “Might be Gay” (as Bill O’Reilly put it) contestants have become really good friends and accepted eachother for who they are as people and singers?

    Kris and Adam should be America’s rolemodels: We should all help eachother, get along and focus on the important qualities that define a person!

  351. ok…. if you need to cancel out BOR’s segment…

    just watched the boys show complete support for each other and demonstrate, once again, that they are both class acts.

    http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/entertainment/american_idol/051809_Idol_finalists_focus_on_singing

    i love the exchange on buying each others’ album.

    amen lifeisfun!

    Isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the best part about this season that the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Christianà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Might be Gayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  (as Bill Oà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢Reilly put it) contestants have become really good friends and accepted eachother for who they are as people and singers?

    Kris and Adam should be Americaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s rolemodels: We should all help eachother, get along and focus on the important qualities that define a person!

  352. Just rewatched. Here’s the thing. Danny totally knew he had committed a faux pas, but blew it off. His “hey, what do you say” and smug face at the end is telling.

    Sarver posted it, thinking it was cool. Nuff said. I find both of these guys icky.

    I’ll choose to believe that Gokey is acting like a big brother to Lava Girl.

  353. zformation May 18th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    Yeah, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not gonna get all worked up over this. Michael Sarver is just looking for his 15 minutes. Did you also catch the comment about the female Fox employee and he said à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“You can love her like you love meà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ . I mean, really. Get over yourself.

    I’ll have Sarver know that I was thinking of doing something entirely unholy :devil_tb:to that hot choreographer about two seconds before he told me to “Love her like you love me”.

    I think the Idol search produce a couple of real tools in The Gokester and Sarver. :dunce_tb:

  354. Omg. That interview is made of WIN. Is this on the headlines? It should be! Those boys are fantastic!

  355. Meh. I don’t think they’re homophobic. They just don’t know how to say things in a politically correct, religion-free manner.

    Danny’s a perv, tho. Stop groping Allison! I’m only very slightly older than Allison, and the thought of a grown man doing that to me a couple years back when I was seventeen sickens me.

  356. I for one found Gokey’s comment extremely offensive. When he said “in the right..no Godly way”, that was implying that if he loved him in the “gay way” it would be WRONG. It shows that he is homophobic, sorry but it’s true. I’m so glad he got the boot – better late then never.

  357. ummm.. that’s my video up there! i just wanna say i had NO intention for the video to get THIS kind of Buzz.. I am just a dedicated and Loyal ANOOP DESAI fan who found a video by Sarver on Myspace with Anoop in it, downloaded it to my computer then to YT for Anoop fans to see (as you can tell with all my videos there).. Its sad people took it this way.. I’m catholic, and my religion is also very sensitive on this issue, but I grew up accepting that it is out there. Yes, the two of them slipped with their words but they didn’t need to apologize or clarify what they meant by LOVE. We all get it. really sad the video is getting such a negative Buzz. I was just an Anoop Desai Fan who wanted to post it.. Y’all should just forward to the video at 2:56 where Anoop dances =) (LOL) FEELS MUCH BETTER!!

  358. Not so much concerned with the ‘gay’ issue here… but, more so with the way Danny has his hands all over Allison in this video clip. Allison’s is only 16 years old here. A child! And, it’s not the first time we’ve seen Danny inappropriately ‘handling’ this young lady.

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