American Idol 9: The Top 24 is BACK!!!

Just received a press release from Fox announcing the start of American Idol Season 9. And, with the future of Idol up in the air, there’s a tiny bit of good news. Ellen Degeneres and Mike Darnell kinda spilled the beans in September, but it’s official now…

The Top 24 Semi-final format is back!!!

The ‘Hollywood Round’  episodes will air Tuesday, Feb. 9 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT); Wednesday, Feb. 10 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT); and Tuesday, Feb. 16 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT). On Wednesday, Feb. 17 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT), dreams come true for 24 contestants, as Simon, Randy, Kara and Ellen announce the Top 12 male and Top 12 female semifinalists.

It will then be up to America to decide who moves forward in the competition. The first performance show featuring the Top 12 female semifinalists will air Tuesday, Feb. 23 (8:00-10:00 PM ET/PT). The following night, Wednesday, Feb. 24 (8:00-10:00 PM ET/PT), the Top 12 male semifinalists will perform. The results show revealing America’s first vote of the season will air Thursday, Feb. 25 (8:00-9:00 PM ET live/PT tape-delayed), when the two male and two female contestants with the fewest votes will be sent home.

Time to dance a HAPPY DANCE!

Re-introducing the Top 36 semi-final format in Season 8, with contestants advancing rather than being eliminated, was a HUGE mistake. Going back to the old format meant enduring 12 contestants a week, most of whom were cannon fodder–destined to be eliminated. Only 3 contestants advanced to the finals each week, and except for those who were brought back for the wild card, we didn’t see the kids who made the Top 12 again until the finals began. It made it really hard to connect to the contestants.

The Top 24 format means fewer contestants and more performances in the semis. But most importantly, we see the contestants who will eventually make the Top 12 week after week. By the time the finals begin, we know who these kids are. I also hope the producers bring out the live band for the semis and allow the kids to play instruments. Stupid move last year to have kids singing to what appeared to be backing tracks without instruments.

I’ll bet they keep the save, because that was some pretty damn good TV drama right there. Oh, and the return of the Top 24 means the return of gender parity. Which is ok with me. TPTB probably want a girl to win this year…

ETA: Taking a peek at the 2010 calender, and we’ve got 4 weeks of Auditions, 2 weeks of Hollywood, 3 weeks of semis, and if the competition ends with a Top 2 as it typically does, the show will run 20 weeks instead of the usual 19.

After the jump, check out the schedule, though to the start of the Top 12.

Tuesday, Jan. 12 (8:00-10:00 PM) Season Premiere, Part 1 Boston Auditions Episode
Wednesday, Jan. 13 (8:00-9:15 PM) Season Premiere, Part 2 Atlanta Auditions Episode
Tuesday, Jan. 19 (8:00-9:00 PM) Chicago Auditions Episode
Wednesday, Jan. 20 (8:00-9:00 PM) Orlando Auditions Episode
Tuesday, Jan. 26 (8:00-9:00 PM) Dallas Auditions Episode
Wednesday, Jan. 27 (9:00-10:00 PM) Los Angeles Auditions Episode
Tuesday, Feb. 2 (8:00-9:00 PM) Denver Auditions Episode
Wednesday, Feb. 3 (9:00-10:00 PM) ‘The Road to Hollywood’  Auditions Episode
Tuesday, Feb. 9 (8:00-9:00 PM) Hollywood Round, Part 1
Wednesday, Feb. 10 (9:00-10:00 PM) Hollywood Round, Part 2
Tuesday, Feb. 16 (8:00-9:00 PM) Hollywood Round, Part 3
Wednesday, Feb. 17 (9:00-10:00 PM) Hollywood Round, Part 4 Top 24 Semifinalists Announced
Tuesday, Feb. 23 (8:00-10:00 PM) Top 12 Female Semifinalists Perform
Wednesday, Feb. 24 (8:00-10:00 PM) Top 12 Male Semifinalists Perform
Thursday, Feb. 25 (8:00-9:00 PM) First Results Show (ET live/PT tape-delayed) Two Male and Two Female Contestants Eliminated
Tuesday, March 2 (8:00-10:00 PM) Top 10 Female Semifinalists Perform
Wednesday, March 3 (8:00-10:00 PM) Top 10 Male Semifinalists Perform
Thursday, March 4 (8:00-9:00 PM) Results Show (ET live/PT tape-delayed) Two Male and Two Female Contestants Eliminated
Tuesday, March 9 (8:00-9:00 PM) Top 8 Female Semifinalists Perform
Wednesday, March 10 (9:00-10:00 PM) Top 8 Male Semifinalists Perform
Thursday, March 11 (8:00-9:00 PM) Results Show (ET live/PT tape-delayed) Two Male and Two Female Contestants Eliminated; Finalists Revealed
Tuesday, March 16 (8:00-10:00 PM) Finalists Perform (ET live/PT tape-delayed)
Wednesday, March 17 (9:00-10:00 PM) Results Show (ET live/PT tape-delayed) One Contestant Eliminated

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136 Comments

  1. YAY! I like the top 24 much better… looking forward to it. I’m not really ready for my American Idol to go away, though, so I’ll remain in denial about the possibility :)

  2. Reminder:

    Onward and upwards kids. This post is about S9. You can refer to the past to make a point, but we won’t be rehashing here. Thank you.

  3. I’m very happy that top 24 is back. I’m also happy to see that, for the most part, AI and Lost won’t be in direct competition. It makes my ability to participate in chat so much easier!

  4. I forget, were there theme weeks for the top 24, or did they start later?

  5. I’m serious as a heart attack. Anything other than S9 talk in this thread is OFF TOPIC. Keep the stale rehash OUT OF THE THREAD

  6. This seasn is going to be shorter? Am I right about this?

    No, it’s dates through to the Top 12 only

  7. Yay! Woo! Top 24 gives people a much better chance of winning an audience and it’s open to less producer manipulation.

  8. OMG!!! I’m so happy about the top 24!! It’s a much much better format. this way we hear our favorites more often. I’m so happy about this. :doing happy dance:

  9. In Season 7, the semifinal weeks had themes of 60s, 70s and 80s – not sure about prior seasons

  10. I forget, were there theme weeks for the top 24, or did they start later?

    there were theme weeks during season 7. i really hope they don’t do that. we have enough of that during the top 12.

  11. I’ll bet they keep the save, because that was some pretty damn good TV drama right there. Oh, and the return of the Top 24 means the return of gender parity.

    Perhaps not? Didn’t CI in it’s last season have mixed gender groupings starting at Top 12? I know they ended up with more men then women in the finals.

  12. YES! I agree, gender parity and having more of a chance to get to know each contestant are good things!

    It looks like the rumors about the performance shows moving to 9:00 aren’t true. I’m glad. Besides losing viewers who have to get up in the AM during the semis, it would push the voting back to 11PM to 1AM, which is nuts. No one’s going to stay up that late to vote every week.

  13. edit

    I’m pleased with the return to the Top 24 format. I barely have any recollection of anyone who doesn’t make the Top 12 anyway. So, #’s 25 – 36 were definitely lost on me.

    I adore Ellen, but I still don’t think she’s going to add a whole lot to the panel. At least she’ll be coherent though.

  14. I guess this is okay. I was pretty ticked off that some standouts were quickly dismissed last year like Mishavonna Henson and Felicia Barton and not even brought back for the Wild Card. So going back to this format is probably better in most ways. I just dislike the equal gender numbers. To me, that doesn’t seem fair or right. It shouldn’t matter if they are male or female. But whatever.

  15. great! that top 36 format was horrible!

    BUT I also hope they keep the save because my boy Matt G. got it! and he SO deserved to be saved! #signmattgiraud

  16. Looking forward to the new season :)

    ETA anyone watched the sing off finale last night? It’s excruciating. Yet the winners got a contract while Matt is still unsigned :(

  17. I hated the top36 format. It was actively unpleasant for me to watch the those shows knowing that nine out of the twelve were going to go away – it just made me feel bad for them, not excited. Plus, how much pressure does it put on a person to know that they only had a one in four chance of surviving that week? No wonder Matt choked.

    I’m thrilled that this season of AI (which I firmly believe will be its final one – I’ve believed this since Paula left) will be using the better format again.

  18. There’ve been four girls and four boys in the winners circle at this point, so it could be either this year. But, yeah, with two boys in a row, it does seem likely they’ll be pushing for a girl.

  19. Re-introducing the Top 36 format again in Season 8 was a HUGE mistake.

    I thought Season 8 was the first time they did a Top 36? I don’t remember seeing that abomination before. Maybe I’ve just blocked it out.

  20. Taking a peek at the 2010 calender, and we’ve got 4 weeks of Auditions, 2 weeks of Hollywood, 3 weeks of semis, and if the competition ends with a Top 2 as it typically does, the show will run 20 weeks instead of the usual 19.

    I linked to the Press Release: Gender parity is back.

  21. I thought Season 8 was the first time they did a Top 36? I don’t remember seeing that abomination before. Maybe I’ve just blocked it out.

    Nope. The powers that be recycled the format from the first three seasons of Idol. They couldn’t even manage to be creative with their retooling.

  22. ETA anyone watched the sing off finale last night? It’s excruciating. Yet the winners got a contract while Matt is still unsigned

    I did. Not on purpose though LOL. I was just too tired to click around for other stuff to watch. I will say though that Smokey Robinson sounded great. Is it possible he still sounds that good? Or was that some kind of TV magic. Seriously – I just find it hard to believe that at his age he can still do that.

    I actually found Nick Lachey to have improved slightly as a TV host. Much more relaxed and a wee big charming. Although the saddest thing about that show is that when they did the Christmas carol thing, Nick Lachey sounded better than all but 3 or 4 of them. You should be in a singing competition if you can’t sound better than Nick Lachey.

    Also, if it were actually possible for me to squee, I’m pretty sure that’s what I did when Boyz II Men appeared on stage. Wanya Morris still has one of my Top 3 all time favorite male R&B voices. (And, Shawn was my favorite judge).

    Other than that, I thought Notu was actually the only good group on that show. Those Bub guys were grossly over-rated, and that third group had one really good girl singer plus a whole bunch of meh.

  23. that’s great news. I remember last season when I didn’t really know much about AI, being confused as hell. When they did the 12 contestants at a time thing, I was like, wait, only THREE get to advance?? how is that fair? I thought 3 were going to be eliminated. It seemed impossible. Plus yeah, connecting was hard because you saw people so rarely.

    I’m just ready for it to begin again. But its new time may conflict with America’s Next Top Model :/ I can’t remember. Oo Jan 12th! That’s like, right when I go back to school, yay!

  24. Thanks MJ. I guess not having anything else to compare it to made the Top 36 less offensive back then. Or maybe I just wasn’t paying attention.

  25. At least she’ll be coherent though.

    Coherent – yes, relevant – probably not. Not sure what she can bring to the table other than her personal enjoyment of music. She isn’t a singer, or a song writer or a musician. Her opinion, I guess, will be the equivalent of the general publics maybe? Eh, I’m ready for this show to end. I’ve watched all 8 seasons and I’ve lost all enthusiasm.

  26. Do you guys reckon there’ll be a lot of Adam Lambert wannabes? If so, I can’t wait.

  27. Do you guys reckon there’ll be a lot of Adam Lambert wannabes? If so, I can’t wait.

    now, you just convinced me to stick around & watch the audition episodes (uggh…can’t stand watching the antics & dramas)

  28. good, now will get to know the contestants musical abilities better.

    if they could somehow bring Ben Folds as a judge…

  29. if the competition ends with a Top 2 as it typically does, the show will run 20 weeks instead of the usual 19.

    Maybe Idol Gives Back will get a week to itself this year. That would help with avoiding the exhausted contestants we saw by the last few weeks of season 7. The last few season 8 contestants didn’t look anywhere near as exhausted and burned out as the whole Top 5 did season 7. They didn’t have IGB, only performed 1 week instead of 3 in the semis, and didn’t go to multiple songs per night as quickly. It’ll be interesting to see if TPTB still try to find ways to ease up on the contestants, or if they just go back to working them as hard as possible.

  30. The return of the Top 24 format is very good to hear. Like what has been mentioned earlier, the contestants have a much easier time garnering votes and just have to worry about staying out of the bottom 2. This is great for the talent that has had little to no screen time.

    If they’re good, they definitely won’t be voted off during the first week.

  31. Maybe Idol Gives Back will get a week to itself this year. That would help with avoiding the exhausted contestants we saw by the last few weeks of season 7. The last few season 8 contestants didn’t look anywhere near as exhausted and burned out as the whole Top 5 did season 7. They didn’t have IGB, only performed 1 week instead of 3 in the semis, and didn’t go to multiple songs per night as quickly. It’ll be interesting to see if TPTB still try to find ways to ease up on the contestants, or if they just go back to working them as hard as possible.

    I don’t think they eased up on them. Weren’t the Ford commercials that they did every week new? And weren’t the studio editions of all the songs for iTunes new? If so, it seems to me they just used their time differently but still ran them ragged.

  32. I think that we will have A LOT of Adam wannabes. I’m not sure that’s something I wanna see. There’s just one Adam Lambert.

  33. They had Ford Commercials and iTunes Studio versions in S7, too. I do think S8 had it easier overall.

  34. Did anyone keep a list of who is a guest judge in each city? I don’t generally watch auditions, but there are a couple I’d like to see: NPH and Kristin Chenoweth in particular.

    ETA: Tuesdays are going to be a tough night of TV viewing for me. :(

  35. I think the format change will help this season seem a little more balanced. And the shunning of someone popular like Ricky Braddy or Felicia Barton probably won’t be as prevalent this season if two get eliminated (though it’s pretty much inevitable to happen a few times). They just did too much last season and it ended up weird.

    I wouldn’t mind it being a girl winning either, although I do usually end up liking the R&B girl and the guy with the teen girl appeal (despite being a 20 year old straight guy). Or any Filipino person >_>. I’m also good with the gender thing, last year was a sausagefest. At least the tour will have at most a 6-4 ratio.

    Which part is making it run an extra week? Was Hollywood always 2 weeks? I’m forgetting how the weeks before semis went.

    Personally I’m excited for the tour already, lol. And I really want to see how Ellen is as a judge.

  36. If I were Jesse Langseth, Ricky Braddy, or Felicia Barton I’d be bummin’.

  37. I really hope we have some good girls this season! I am excited. If this is the last season of AI, it better be good.

  38. Do you guys reckon there’ll be a lot of Adam Lambert wannabes? If so, I can’t wait.

    If so, there’ll be some great laughs in the audition rounds.

  39. Sherena
    12/22/2009 at 5:45 pm

    I really hope we have some good girls this season! I am excited. If this is the last season of AI, it better be good.

    LOL It won’t be the last season. As long as they get better ratings with it than they do with their other shows, it’ll keep going, Simon or no Simon. So S10 is a for sure. And there’ll still be a S11 unless S10 ratings fall through the floor.

  40. Which part is making it run an extra week? Was Hollywood always 2 weeks? I’m forgetting how the weeks before semis went.

    No, before last year I believe Hollywood Week only got one, possibly two shows. So having it spread over four shows is a definite improvement.

  41. OK, I know this will seem weird after having watched AI faithfully for 8 seasons. But, I think the show will never find another Adam Lambert, another person with that kind of star power. In my mind, the purpose and journey of the show has reached its highest point. Therefore, I will watch, but with no expectations. With Paula gone, and Simon leaving, I feel like the best has already happened. BTW, I loved past Idol winners, but have NEVER been amazed to my core like I was with Adam.

  42. So glad the Top 24 is back! I’m okay with the gender parity too. Much better format!

    As for the Sing-Off, I was glad Nota took it. I liked what they did to the songs they chose and really thought the prize money and contract could make a real difference in their lives. Not the best show out there but a fun distraction when there is virtually nothing else on TV. Except Nicole was even dumber than I had anticipated her to be.

  43. I was kind of unhappy about the whole Ellen thing (although I love Ellen) because I wish the show was less about the judges (I really don’t much care what they think) and more about the contestants. Then I thought, how could it be worse than Simon drawing a mustache on Paula while someone has their big 90 seconds to sing? So it will still be too much about the judges, but at least we don’t have to deal with the “Simon picks on Paula” schtick. Maybe Ellen will pick on Simon. I have little to no expectation that the judges will actually issue information that could be helpful to the contestants or viewers, so maybe that’s our best hope.

    The Top 24 format sounds like it makes sense. I didn’t start watching until Top 13 this year, but it does sound as if it would have been strange to watch a show of 12 performers knowing that only 3 of them would be voted forward.

    I agree that they will likely keep The Save. That was indeed great television. I’m not really the excitable type, but I was watching that and practically hopping up and down like a little girl! And then cried when Matt cried. It really did add a lot to the drama, so I expect it’ll be back.

  44. They had Ford Commercials and iTunes Studio versions in S7, too.

    In S7, they only did a studio version of one song a week even when there were multiple songs. In S8, they had studio versions for every song they sang. Granted, they sang fewer songs in S8, but they did have to stand around longer listening to judges blather which must have been exhausting all on it’s own.

  45. Oh, hell to the yes on that announcement! I’m actually getting a little excited about the new season. Please don’t ruin it for me, Idol PTB!

  46. Time to dance a HAPPY DANCE!

    He** yes! This, in and of itself, will make idol worth watching again. Pardon me while I do cartwheels. Wwwweeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!

  47. Is it just me? Don’t have much interest in S9. The pinnacle has been reached like Islandgirljams has said. There is no where to go but down.What voice, what look, what personality could be betterer than Adam. We don’t need another Mary J Blige, Fantasia, Carrie, fill in the blank. I can’t imagine another unique person like Adam.

    But saying this, if there is nothing else on I will probably tune in and opinionate later on. Hope I can take back my words, but don’t think this is gonna happen. The odds of anyone being “plucked” are remote. Am almost sad about this.

  48. The odds of anyone being ‘plucked’  are remote.

    I have no idea what that means, but I can assure you, every year, fans of previous Idols (winners and runners up) think nobody will top their favorite. And yet the show goes on. And on. And on. It’s much, MUCH bigger than any one contestant.

  49. luval
    12/22/2009 at 5:59 pm
    Is it just me? Don’t have much interest in S9. The pinnacle has been reached like Islandgirljams has said. There is no where to go but down.What voice, what look, what personality could be betterer than Adam. We don’t need another Mary J Blige, Fantasia, Carrie, fill in the blank. I can’t imagine another unique person like Adam

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I am very excited for S9. I am a big fan of this SHOW. I don’t believe that there is no where to go but down…Of course, there could be someone “betterer” than Adam. Believe it or not, not everyone thinks that Adam is all that unique or amazing. I love the start of every new season, you never know who is going to capture your attention. Every year, we hear how there will never be another (fill in the blank)..and thats good, because there shouldn’t be, but there WILL be someone who right now we have no idea who they are..but everyone will be arguing over, voting for, searching the internet for any information on, and listening to and buying their songs by the spring.

  50. I like Ellen, i’m excited for her. I feel like the cruelty of the show has calmed down a bit, but I doubt Ellen will stand for them being outrageously rude to people.. especially those who have some sort of handicap. Plus she’s just pleasant.

  51. A few people say every year that the pinnacle has been reached, no point in watching again, lather, rinse, repeat. I think David Cook Official even had a thread titled, “Idol Found. Game Over.” to express that sentiment.

    Maybe they do lose a few people every year (and the ratings declining a bit support that) but I think most people get sucked in, anyway, after a show or two or a friend telling them they just have to see so-and-so. I guess that’s why AI does the big ads and all the promo — to entice people back to the show, to remind them of what they got hooked on the last time. I, myself, have vowed at least three times never to watch again. I said it in the middle of season 3, when J-Hud and George went out and I was all cranky about it, after season 5, when Elliott went out, and after season 7, when David Cook seemed to be the pinnacle. So I didn’t see much of S4 or S6, but my vow didn’t last very long after 7 and I did see most of 8. Huh. I think that’s the first even-numbered season I’ve been there for. Whaddayaknow.

  52. And yet the show goes on. And on. And on. It’s much, MUCH bigger than any one contestant.

    It’s fabulously fun TV. And, it’s my favorite show. It’s also one of the few shows that all 4 of us (in my house) like to watch together. AI is like a fun family event for us. My 9 year old is already aware that it’s coming back soon, and he’s getting pretty excited – it’s something to look forward to after the high of Christmas fades :).

  53. It’s fabulously fun TV. And, it’s my favorite show. It’s also one of the few shows that all 4 of us (in my house) like to watch together. AI is like a fun family event for us. My 9 year old is already aware that it’s coming back soon, and he’s getting pretty excited ‘“ it’s something to look forward to after the high of Christmas fades

    My thoughts exactly..ask anyone who knows me, American Idol is my favorite show too. I’ve watched and enjoyed every season. Sometimes my favorite won..and sometimes they never even came close. Everyone in my house watches it together, and I even got my new boyfriend hooked on it. Hes even gone to the concerts with me. We had a big party at his house last year for the finale (because he has the 52 inch tv!) Also, I agree about it being something to look forward to after Christmas is over..the winters here are pretty cold and it makes January and February go by a little faster!

  54. Great to hear! Unlike a lot of people I disliked Adam from the beginning and never took a liking to his style of music (though I do really like Whatya Want From Me), so this season doesn’t feel any different for me. Some seasons are better than others, but I enjoy the show every year and no one contestant winning could make me think the show has reached its pinnacle (Carrie is my favorite Idol winner and singer overall, but I have still enjoyed every season since).

    The Top 36 idea really was poorly executed and I’m happy to see they have to come their senses.

  55. The Top 36 idea really was poorly executed and I’m happy to see they have to come their senses.

    It was just too confusing for me. I couldn’t remember who the heck was who.

    We had a big party at his house last year for the finale (because he has the 52 inch tv!)

    LOL, a couple of years ago, for my anniversary, my husband bought ME a 60 inch TV. It was like a bad commercial where the wife opens a huge TV as her Christmas present knowing the husband just bought it for himself. My husband thought this was an incredibly hilarious thing to do. But, since the big TV is technically mine, I get to “call it” for certain important events. Like the Oscars and the entire AI season. Luckily, none of my events conflict with regular football programming, or else there might be a serious throw-down in my house :).

  56. Has anyone heard anything about Kris’s AOL Sessions that were supposed to premiere today?! :sad: (off topic, but there is no current thread for Kris!)

  57. I think I may stand alone on my side of the room but I liked the Top 36 format just because it gave more contestants a chance. I think there is about zero chance that Kris Allen would have been there if they had cut 12 more contestants before the voting rounds started. Kris grew during the season and I am so glad I got to witness it.

    Also, I am someone who has watched Idol since Season 1 but I am not really interested in Season 9. This season of obsessively keeping up with Adam Lambert even after the show ended is the first time I really thought about Idol between seasons so I probably burned myself out. So far I am having trouble mustering up any excitement. Hopefully, MJ can whip me into a frenzy before January 12th.

    I think there is a fair chance that this is Simon’s last season but I think Idol will go on at least 1 season without him just to prove it can (and fail miserably.)

  58. Well I think it’s better for the show, so I’m happy with it. But I’m going to go back to not watching. I got sick of the judge manipulations and crap back after season 2. Watched parts of S3, but not much and didn’t care and watched none of season 4-7 beyond occasional YouTubes for Cook. And since then a few YouTubes just out of curiosity about people.

    I might want to check out Ellen as a judge, but I have no desire to get back into the pit again. I was happy not caring about idol seasons 3-7, I’ll be happy to go back to that.

  59. I am very excited that it is going back to Top 24 too! I didn’t really find the person I wanted to vote for/Support until the Top 10. I am hoping that with Paula gone, that Simon acts a little more mature and a lot less bored. I actually won’t mind if this is his last year.

  60. madnessinmotion
    I think there is about zero chance that Kris Allen would have been there if they had cut 12 more contestants before the voting rounds started.

    I couldn’t disagree more. His audition shows all 4 of the judges loved him. Ok, Simon liked him. Who knows what Simon thinks or means half the time anyway. Maybe the producers didn’t see Kris making it? Oh well, he did!!! :grin:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc_wmxW8ilA

    jmom376
    12/22/2009 at 7:17 pm
    I am very excited that it is going back to Top 24 too! I didn’t really find the person I wanted to vote for/Support until the Top 10. I am hoping that with Paula gone, that Simon acts a little more mature and a lot less bored. I actually won’t mind if this is his last year.

    ITA! (on all 3 counts!)

  61. I thought s8 was the best ever,but I’m obviously biased.I KNOW I won’t like anyone as much as Adam(I know everybody says thta but whatever) but this has always been my favorite show.ever.seriously I remember I had an American idol themed birthday party when I turned 10(LOL we ended up watching random vids on YouTube).but yeah,I love this show.the format doesn’t really matter to me but ymmv.anyway at least one of the shows is on my b-day(feb 10)

  62. Zip-a-dee-doo-dah! I think going to Top 24 in S4 was the best format change they ever made and hated the regression to Top 36. After that and the rest of last year’s production fiascoes I was iffy on watching this season but dang, TPTB do something sane and I can feel myself getting pulled in again.

  63. LOL It won’t be the last season. As long as they get better ratings with it than they do with their other shows, it’ll keep going, Simon or no Simon. So S10 is a for sure. And there’ll still be a S11 unless S10 ratings fall through the floor.

    Idk. I think if Simon leaves they should just scrap it before it becomes a parody of itself or gets cannibalized by the US version of X Factor. Like it or not, a lot of people watch for Simon.

  64. luvadamlambert
    12/22/2009 at 7:27 pm
    I think I’m one of the few people that actually like Simon’ ¦

    He never called Adam “wet” (or numerous other things), did he? :lol:

  65. I understand that the top 36 does have major flaws, because it creates a a situation where pimping could push people into the top 12 who really are not that great, and it can cause an uneven gender balance, but I still maintain that a top 36 format is much more exciting than a top 24. Each week is a whole new set of contestants who have their one shot at making it so they really give it their all. With top 24 the first couple weeks are try your best to just not be the worst. Also, it makes the Top 12 episode much more exciting because it is the first time the contestants all have sung together, so it seems like a much more level playing field. A top 24 feels like it starts to drag because it is 4 extra weeks of the same contestants, and by the time the top 12 starts we already know how the contestants all stack up against each other.

  66. I’m glad the show is returning to the Top 24 format, but with Time Warner Cable refusing to pay FOX’ rate increase, I’m wondering if I’ll even be able to watch this season!

  67. I think it should be the top 24 regardless of gender. I hate that gender neutrality stuff.

  68. I love this show…I am very excited for the new season BUT I do not think I will get as invested this year. Adam just did something to me that made me completely obsessed. I have liked Idol contestants before, Kelly, Carrie and , Archie come to mind quickly but nothing like my obsession with Adam. I am really hoping they find a female superstar this year it really has been dominated my males lately.

  69. I agree gangreen. Top 24 makes it too slow. I’m looking forward to Ellen this year though.

  70. luvadamlambert
    12/22/2009 at 7:27 pm

    I think I’m one of the few people that actually like Simon’ ¦

    well, I don’t hate Simon. And when Simon was “on” and awake, he was great. But I felt like he slept through a lot of this last season and his shenanigans with Paula actually made me turn off the show a couple times and skip the rest of the episode. I was thrilled that Paula left. And I hope with her gone, that Simon may pay a bit more attention to the contestants. We’ll, see. Either way, I don’t think he’d be impossible to replace, but I do think peeps like randy and kara aren’t going to do it. Ellen should be better than them because she’s quick witted and has a high verbal IQ. This lack of verbal IQ is Randy’s and Kara’s big problem. They need people with musical knowledge that can speak incisively to be judges. After that, they can have one that’s warm and nice, one that’s all about the humor, etc. They seem to be trying to fill the personality void before the speaking/knowledge void. If they get their priorities straight, they could have a rockin season 10 by switching out the whole judging panel.

  71. I feel like people probably watch the auditions for Simon and maybe for a glimmer of talent, but the first show was originally sold on Simon and how rude he was. That was a really big thing. People couldn’t believe it and LOVED it. But now it’s kind of old. And people who watch the show watch because they like the show. It’s built up a big enough fanbase that they don’t need the Simon-Is-Mean approach anymore.

  72. Oh man, I am thrilled! That Top 36 thing last year made fro some long, boring shows with only a few glimmers of hope, only to see most of the glimmers snuffed out the next night. Yuck. At least this way we get sense of who they are. Plus it makes for a more well rounded top 12. I hope they go back to not having themes in the top 24 too.

  73. I only watch the auditions to see if I can spot the ones that make the Top 24. I DVR the shows and ff through all the crazy auditions, and the judges antics. I do see the point some have made here that Top 24 makes the season seem really long. I remember by the last few weeks of S7, being exhausted for the contestants, wanting it to be over already, but I totally hated the Top 36 format, and the sing offs in the Judges Mansion, and the wild card rounds, so I’m happy with Top 24. I prefer loosing 4 a week to 9 in the semi-finals. I think it gives contestants more of a chance to get their feet under them with the novelty of being on TV every week. I guess I’m for giving them more chances to do well, rather than less. You watch, this year someone will stay way past their welcome, and I’ll wish them gone sooner, than later, lol. Oh well, if Time Warner doesn’t make the deal with Fox, I may not be watching anyway! I’ll have to depend on mj’s for my Idol fix, lol!

  74. I have no idea what that means, but I can assure you, every year, fans of previous Idols (winners and runners up) think nobody will top their favorite.

    YEP

    And yet the show goes on. And on. And on. It’s much, MUCH bigger than any one contestant.

    I say this every friggin year. EVERY. FRIGGIN. YEAR. And I guess I’ll just continue to say it…

  75. So true, Mj. I certainly remember people saying that at David Cook and previous idols. I think the show will survive without Simon or Adam. At some point it will wear out it’s welcome and ratings but probably not for a while.

    I’m happy about the top 24 instead of what happened last season.

  76. I still hate the top 24 format. The judges have a hard enough time picking 36, but with the 24, they have their favorites, plants or has-beens as favors to someone in the industry, and very obvious cannon fodder. Also the protection of the chosen few is even worse in the top 24 format than the 36. The 36 allowed some wildcards to make the voting rounds too.

    24 is not enough, so people like Josiah Leming, Colton Swon, Brandon Green, got unfairly cut in Season 7 BEFORE I had a chance to vote for them. A top 24 means 12 less slots available for voting for me. 12 is a big difference. I don’t have enough confidence in the judges.

    I want as many people to pick from for voting as possible, and 36 is better IMHO. Atleast I feel like I get to vote. I don’t feel like I have a choice with a top 24 format, like it has all been decided for me ahead of time. I don’t want to merely rank the order of the chosen few, I want to vote for the finalists. The 36 is a also little better at letting unexpected people make the finals too and I enjoyed that as a viewer.

    I am not convinced that Kris and Allison would have been chosen by the judges in a top 24 format, and while I also did like Adam, Kris and Allison really made the show for me in season 8 and made me want to watch AI again. Without Kris and Allison, I would have not watched season 8.

    Nope, I will stay in the minority (I assume) and continue to prefer the top 36 format.

  77. Is it just me? Don’t have much interest in S9. The pinnacle has been reached

    Oh man, if that was the pinnacle I really don’t want to imagine how low we’ll go!

    Like MJ said, every year people say this about this or than contestants and every year there’s a new batch of fans who fall in love and think their favorite will transform music and be the bestest artist that ever lived!!! And guess what … not one of them ever has. Not even the ones who sell a lot of records.

    Real musicians who truly change things don’t go on American Idol.

    For most of us, Idol is just a fun diversion from real life. For a few people every year, their favorite becomes a religion. Doesn’t matter who it is, the song remains the same.

  78. I’m glad the show is returning to the Top 24 format, but with Time Warner Cable refusing to pay FOX’ rate increase, I’m wondering if I’ll even be able to watch this season!

    That’s why God made bittorrents. Not only can you watch, but you can see it at your convenience and without ads. TV is so 2007.

  79. Yea!!!! Absolutely, positively thrilled they are going back to the Top 24. Do you know this means additional performances from your potential favorites. And gender parity! Yes, more chances for the ladies!

    AI virgins who broke their cherry on Season 8 really don’t know what they’ve missed. Woo to the hoo! ;-)

  80. I think nobody “transforms music” anymore. I mean, good music is still produced and played, but it’s been a long time since pop music poduced something really legendary. I don’t think pop music (or rock, or pop/rock, or whatever you wanna call it, or think has more “cred”) will ever see another Beatles, or Pink Floyd, or Michael Jackson.

  81. Yea!!!! Absolutely, positively thrilled they are going back to the Top 24. Do you know this means additional performances from your potential favorites. And gender parity! Yes, more chances for the ladies!

    Except I didn’t like most of the ladies in S8 so I was happy lots got cut. The only one I would have liked to have seen stay was Jesse Langseth. She, Allison and Megan were the only females that I liked.

    Forcing gender parity seems like a weird thing to do. Wouldn’t you want the peeps the audience likes most? I get that fewer women make it through because they don’t tend to rally the votes like the cute guys do. But I don’t understand why you’d want to force it if the goal is to engage the viewer.

  82. And yet the show goes on. And on. And on. It’s much, MUCH bigger than any one contestant.

    obviously it’ll survive. and I know most fans move on.but for a few fans no one will ever top Adam(no pun intended).that doesn’t mean these fan won’t watch the show.just no matter how many magazine covers,accolades,album sale etc. future contestants get,Adam still’s better.

    (or any other idol-I just used Adam becuz,well-my name:))

  83. will ever see another Beatles, or Pink Floyd, or Michael Jackson.

    Uh huh. And my parents were all “there’s no one like Sinatra!” They were right that Sinatra had a lasting, massive value that younger people were not getting (and one day would), but themselves blind (or rather deaf) to anything new

    Every generation also asserts that the music they liked as young people will never, ever be matched. Part of my distaste for the Beatles is that I grew up in the late 70s & early 80s and I was already so sick of them–and the insistence that nothing else was as good, by the generation above me–by the time I was sixteen. I’ve gotten over it and appreciate the Beatles intellectually for the massive innovaters they were, but I’ll never have much of an emotional attachment to them.

    The producers of Idol know much of its audience thinks there hasn’t been any good music since the 1970s–that’s why the theme weeks are so relentlessly old. But that’s one of the things driving away younger audiences….

  84. The producers of Idol know much of its audience thinks there hasn’t been any good music since the 1970s’“that’s why the theme weeks are so relentlessly old. But that’s one of the things driving away younger audiences’ ¦.

    YES!!! If they want to attract a younger audience, they need to do more current tunes. And they need to get a couple great keyboardists. We need synth. We need electropop and industrial sound capability. They need to pull the show into the current decade. Not necessarily with every song or every episode. But, they need to have the ability to at the very least update the old songs with modern sounds. And they either don’t have the tools or skill set to do that with the current band. Since the younger viewers are more valuable, you’d think they’d devote a little bit more effort and time to making the music a bit more current sounding.

  85. Forcing gender parity seems like a weird thing to do. Wouldn’t you want the peeps the audience likes most?

    The peeps in the audience are majority women, who seem to favor male contestants — not meaning to slam them as I am one of them.

    Female contestants need more time (and performances) to grow on the majority female audience.

  86. Good god I seriously hope season 8 wasn’t the pinnacle. For those of us who didn’t believe it was the bestest season giving us the bestest, most amazing singer ever it can only get better. If I were to give up every season because the previous couldn’t be topped I would have missed out on lots of talented people. Claymates were saying “Idol found, game over” forever and I’ve lost track of how many of those Clay fans eventually did find new Idols to worship.

  87. We’ve had a Wildcard night on Australian idol for many years & if it wasn’t for this a couple of winners & runners up , would never have made it through as they weren’t the ones that were pimped by TPTB!! As someone said- Kris & Alison would probably have never made it through without the system this year & what a waste of talent that would have been!!
    Oz idol has never had equality of sexes in the Final 12 & I don’t think we’ve missed out as we generally get the best 12. Having to have 6 females & 6 males means that some strong contenders will miss out & some weak ones will get through[ then again this year Megan managed somehow to get through- so who knows!!]
    Even though I can’t vote , I still enjoy watching AI & I just hope they show it here again like the last 2 years [ It came back on when Aussie Michael Johns was a contestant in Season 7!!]
    Oh & I believe there is room to actually like more than one idol !! I like quite a few even though I have my 2 favourites- i just say never say never!!

  88. I have no idea what that means, but I can assure you, every year, fans of previous Idols (winners and runners up) think nobody will top their favorite.

    And for some people, their favorites never do get topped!

    Anyhow, I do think the loss of Simon is the show’s death knell. Maybe they’ll do another season afterwards and end it at a nice even 10, but it won’t last long past Simon… so that makes it more likely that our favorites won’t get topped. lol.

    As for me personally, maybe I’m being a naive newbie but I really don’t think I’ll ever like anyone as much as I liked Adam back during the summer. I’ve had Adam overdose and he doesn’t make me half as happy as he used to, so maybe I’ll like someone this season more than I like Adam currently, but probably not more than I liked him during the summer. But…we’ll see. Since they’re going to go for a girl season, it’s MUCH more likely that I’ll be smitten with somebody. I love my girl pop and pop rock singers, I really do. ^.^

  89. The peeps in the audience are majority women, who seem to favor male contestants ‘” not meaning to slam them as I am one of them.

    Female contestants need more time (and performances) to grow on the majority female audience.

    Very, very true and nicely put. It makes me sad sometimes how women who watch reality shows and women in fandom always seem to support the guys more… I wonder if it’s vice versa with guys? Doesn’t seem so…

  90. “Since they’re going to go for a girl season, it’s MUCH more likely that I’ll be smitten with somebody. I love my girl pop singers :)”

    That comment worries me !! I hope the voting public have a brain so they don’t fall for TPTB pimping . I get so frustrated sometimes when the judges obviously are very biased against or for someone!! I am hoping Ellen will be different as she knows what its like to be a fan of the show!!!

  91. The peeps in the audience are majority women, who seem to favor male contestants ‘” not meaning to slam them as I am one of them.

    Female contestants need more time (and performances) to grow on the majority female audience.

    Very, very true and nicely put. It makes me sad sometimes how women who watch reality shows and women in fandom always seem to support the guys more… I wonder if it’s vice versa with guys? Doesn’t seem so…

  92. ‘Since they’re going to go for a girl season, it’s MUCH more likely that I’ll be smitten with somebody. I love my girl pop singers ‘ 

    That comment worries me !! I hope the voting public have a brain so they don’t fall for TPTB pimping . I get so frustrated sometimes when the judges obviously are very biased against or for someone!! I am hoping Ellen will be different as she knows what its like to be a fan of the show!!!

    Oh don’t be worried–well about me, anyway, since you replied to my comment. I don’t think I’ll be smitten because of the pimping… It’s just that since they seem to want a female winner this time, they’ll probably let more talented girls through into Hollywood than in the last few seasons, which is good. Anyway, if they’re going to pimp anyone this season, I hope they’re not as obvious as they were last season, lol.

  93. Only one two hour audition show, that I like. It will hopefully mean less focus on meaningless bad/joke auditions. I wonder how bad/good some of the Boston ones were to get that city the two hour show? Again, it could mean the show is going to force a handful of contestant down our throats from the start. Nice to have the split voting for the first three weeks. At least the good ones who aren’t ultra-pimped in the audition segments can build a following before the Top 12. The one good performance, your in the Top 12, see you in a couple weeks format didn’t sit well with me.

  94. I think the show will survive without Simon or Adam.

    Without Adam…yes. Without Simon…I think the viewership will decline greatly. I’ve always thought losing Simon or Ryan would hurt AI as a whole. The rest of the judges are interchangeable.

    I’ve watched every single minute of AI since season one. I finally found my idol. That doesn’t mean I won’t enjoy watching this upcoming season. In fact, I’m looking forward to watching without getting so involved! (but I’ll never vote again)

  95. I’ve watched every single minute of AI since season one. I finally found my idol. That doesn’t mean I won’t enjoy watching this upcoming season. In fact, I’m looking forward to watching without getting so involved! (but I’ll never vote again)

    That’s sorta where I am, I found my Idol S7 but I still watch… and every now and then last year I picked up the phone and voted (well, texted). I did enjoy not being so invested, I appreciated more of the Idols last year.

    I didn’t like last year’s format, didn’t really get to know anyone before a big herd of them were cut. I hope this coming season has lots to talk about, I’m so ready for a new season, lol.

  96. Glory Hallelujah! I can’t wait!

    I’d say that I hope they continue without Simon because I think he’s a big part of what’s wrong with the show, but I think a couple of the producers would have to leave too. They need a real music critic up there. An American Zach, basically.

    I love Normund Gentle, and I hope I get to see him perform one of these days. I really wish he’d made the finals. He’s fabulous.

  97. Finally, some good news coming out of American Idol! One important thing to remember is that Kris and Adam had FIVE less performances than David and David. Kris would have made Season 8 – TOP 24. No doubt about it. He is such an adorable looking guy.

    The Judges Save makes our votes that week not count. The Judges choose to keep someone who garnered the least votes.

    Yes, Season 8 was a diaster in so many ways; one of my least favorites. However, the singers were terrific. IMO, Seasons 4, 5, and 7 were much better.

  98. “Without Simon’ ¦I think the viewership will decline greatly. I’ve always thought losing Simon or Ryan would hurt AI as a whole. The rest of the judges are interchangeable.” [ nyc]

    I think Simon is nowhere near as good as he used to be on AI – I really think he was bored last year . To me – Ben Folds would be a great judge – he proved he is an all rounder as a judge on that music show MJ showed here & he would be entertaining , whilst he would provide some knowledgeable comment as well!!
    I also think Ryan has become a bit tiresome – either he needs to rejuvenate himself or there needs to be a different host [ or at least an extra one to make things more interesting!!]
    To me the judges should be periferal & as long as the talent keeps coming , that’s fine by me . The idols should be the focus of the show!!

  99. Even though I do tend to prefer male singers Allison and earlier on, Alexis, were my favorites last season along with Anoop and I did vote for them. I get drawn in by personalities more than anything which is why I prefer the top 24 where you get more of a chance to get to know them. I agree that Kris quite probably wouldn’t have made the top 12 in that format but I don’t think that’s a bad thing. There will be pimping just as they do every season. I thought it was excessive last season with Adam so hope that doesn’t happen again. Should be interesting to see what Ellen brings to the show.

  100. Reminder:

    Going back to delete all the Season 8 rehash. If you aren’t interested in S9, this thread is not for you.

  101. I get amused hearing IDOL fans say the new season won’t be able to top the last, that they have their favorite IDOL and won’t be able to get invested in anyone else ever again. I was there – twice so far!

    I started watching this show in S6 (a latecomer, yes), and Melinda Doolittle was my favorite. After all, her voice was heads and tails over everyone else’s, and she nailed her performances week after week. I was with Simon – totally shocked, upset, confused, etc. about how she did not make it to the top 2. I refused to vote in the finale, and didn’t want to watch S7.

    Then came the Top 24 episode for S7. I became immediately mesmerized by Jason Castro. I loved his personality, his voice, his look – and his style of singing/performing was totally different than Melinda’s. Given my husband’s negative reaction to him, I realized he could be a polarizing contestant. So I voted, intensely – as long as he was on the show, and got myself so invested and upset when he didn’t do as well during T4 week (and got voted off) that I withdrew and again refused to vote during T3 week or the finale. At that point I didn’t care who won. I swore I would never let myself get that invested in a candidate again, and would never vote again.

    Next up – S8. I actually made it through the Group rounds without voting – so there – I was sticking to my guns, not voting and not getting invested in anyone again. That is, until I heard Kris Allen perform “Remember the Time” – at first I thought to myself – “What is Kris doing with a guitar for this song – how wrong!” but by the end of the song I was hooked and picked up the phone to intensely vote, all the way through the finale. (So much for sticking to my guns – LOL)

    Looking back on S6, I now think the right person won. Melinda is awesome, but has chosen a sort of retro-soul style that hasn’t gotten near the radio play that Jordin’s songs have gotten. I also realized (after opening my mind and ears) that Jordin has a phenomenal voice too. Looking back on S7, I also think the Top 2 were the right guys. Jason has his own niche, and is doing well (thankfully), but the Davids are both awesome (still a little bitter about Syesha – she can belt ’em but I never felt her performances at all – sorry). Obviously I believe the right guy won S8 since I was voting for Kris, but I also think Adam is very talented and that the right 2 guys were in the finale.

    What’s my plan for S9? Watching and, I’m sure, voting. I’ve given up on claiming I won’t get invested in any other contestant or vote for anyone, because I’ve made that claim twice and failed miserably. I am obviously addicted to this show!

  102. Have a question here, did anybody see the promo for season 9 on fox5 (NYC) news last night? they showed a clip of a guy (very cute, btw) singing Feeling Good. It would be very interesting to find out who he is, it looked like one of those “Simon raising his eyebrow/surprised how good you are” ouditions.

  103. I still don’t agree with absolute gender parity, but the return of the Top 24 is good news.
    The change implies they recognized Top 36 was a disaster.

  104. I don’t think American Idol is hanging on with white nuckles because of “will Simon leave?” or what change will Ellen bring or even who will be as dynamic as former contestants.

    I think American Idol will dissapear because “fans” of the show are no longer supporting the talent they ostensibly find and vote for. The voting process on the show has become more and more of a joke and the inequities of a texting system where multiple votes are counted from a very slim cross-section of viewers (it would be interesting to see the percentages of who has AT&T in relation to all the other cell-phone carriers) has become a juggernaut with no solution.

    When the “winners” of a show are no longer the favorite of the “masses” once the show is over how can American Idol continue to promote itself as the finder of the next great “Recording Artist”. The premise of the show is now circumspect and more and more peeps outside of the AI fandom are laughing.

    And as long as the fans continue to think that American Idol is about finding a family friendly, sing in the shower singer, with a heartwarming back story they and the show are being delusional. The fans need to start participating with their pocketbooks and not their AT&T cell phone…or this will be the last season of AI!

  105. So far, with the 40 or so that have been identified, I’m liking quite a few of them…but will some get unfairly robbed?

  106. I think American Idol will dissapear because ‘fans’  of the show are no longer supporting the talent they ostensibly find and vote for. The voting process on the show has become more and more of a joke and the inequities of a texting system where multiple votes are counted from a very slim cross-section of viewers (it would be interesting to see the percentages of who has AT&T in relation to all the other cell-phone carriers) has become a juggernaut with no solution.

    When the ‘winners’  of a show are no longer the favorite of the ‘masses’  once the show is over how can American Idol continue to promote itself as the finder of the next great ‘Recording Artist’ . The premise of the show is now circumspect and more and more peeps outside of the AI fandom are laughing.

    And as long as the fans continue to think that American Idol is about finding a family friendly, sing in the shower singer, with a heartwarming back story they and the show are being delusional. The fans need to start participating with their pocketbooks and not their AT&T cell phone’ ¦or this will be the last season of AI!

    Boo Hoo. Your favorite didn’t win last year and now neither are burning up the charts and you think that means it is the end of AI? David Cook had a platinum album, Archie sold well, Jordin sold millions of singles, Kelly and Daughtry have two of the top albums of the year, and Carrie just went platinum in less than two months. One mediocre year of sales does not equal the end, if they find someone really likable who is very accessible to radio, they could have another super star.

  107. One mediocre year of sales does not equal the end, if they find someone really likable who is very accessible to radio, they could have another super star.

    EXACTLY!!! I feel they need a young Susan Boyle this year…

  108. One mediocre year of sales does not equal the end, if they find someone really likable who is very accessible to radio, they could have another super star.

    But the problem is they haven’t really found anyone for the last 3 seasons that “burned” up the charts coming directly off of Idol. Daughtry has had the most success in the last 4 years and he came in fourth…what the hell does that tell you. AI lost most of its cred that year and hasn’t been able to get it back. You have 3 of the last 4 winners who can’t sell more than a 4th place finisher from season 5.

    Correct me if I am wrong….but other than Fantasia and Kelly (and I think) Carrie has a “winning” idol won a Grammie? And the nominations for this year don’t seem to be full of the newer Idols.

    I’m not just talking about last year…I am looking at a few years here. With 30 million viewers AIers should have a gigornormous fan base….and for most of them it doesn’t happen. And, yup, only if AI finds a new Susan Boyle with cats and “health” problems will it crown a new “numbers” winner.

  109. I don’t know haven’t sales been down for three years though since season 5. I know there is a recession and illegal downloading, but that hasn’t stopped Susan Boyle’s amazing sales. I expected Cook to go more than platinum like Daughtry and Adam as well and Blake and Jordan and Allison to do better. I don’t think people are taking AI as seriously. Isn’t Carrie Underwood the only idol currently selling really well. I mean even Daughtry isn’t doing so great anymore. I know my college aged sons have thought the show was a joke since Season 4 or 5. I think AI needs to bring in more younger viewers and change the voting system.

  110. Correct me if I am wrong’ ¦.but other than Fantasia and Kelly (and I think) Carrie has a ‘winning’  idol won a Grammie?

    Carrie did win a grammy, in fact she won 4, the most of any Idol alum.

    But the problem is they haven’t really found anyone for the last 3 seasons that ‘burned’  up the charts coming directly off of Idol.

    David Archuleta had a number 2 hit with Crush. Jordin’s first 5 singles all were in the billboard top 20. David Cook went platinum for his album. So what if Daughtry was more successful, that doesn’t mean everyone since has had pathetic sales.

  111. I don’t know haven’t sales been down for three years though since season 5.

    But it hasn’t been a downward spiral. Season 6’s numbers were way below season 5 in sales, and than season 7’s were above season 6, and now season 8 has taken a dip but not down to season 6 levels. Also, no offense to any fan groups, but none of the winners or runners up lately have really had super star potential to me. Where do David Cook, Kris, Archuleta, and Adam really fit in the current music scene? Jordin has a pop princess sound, but unfortunately does not have the typical pop princess look. Carrie and Daughtry had a niche to slip into perfectly. If season 9 has a contestant like that, I am sure numbers will go up.

  112. All I am saying is that with 30 million viewers an Idol winner should be “topping” the sales chart each and every year if they are indeed America’s Idol. That premise no longer holds water!

  113. Correct me if I am wrong’ ¦.but other than Fantasia and Kelly (and I think) Carrie has a ‘winning’  idol won a Grammie? And the nominations for this year don’t seem to be full of the newer Idols.

    Idol winners have had to make compromises on their debut albums to reflect what 19E thinks the American Idol public wants vs. what the winning Idol’s preferred genre and artistry might be. This compromise has affected some of them more than others. Unfortunately, that sometimes puts a stamp on them that’s hard for them to shake. By the time the second album comes out, which might be more reflective of them, the public may not give them a second chance.

    And, yup, only if AI finds a new Susan Boyle with cats and ‘health’  problems will it crown a new ‘numbers’  winner.

    A young rockin’ chick in a house dress, pin curls, and sensible shoes. Now, that I’d like to see!

  114. I think the voting should be changed to at least get rid of the AT&T only texting. When you look at the coverage maps for AT&T GoPhone vs others.
    GoPhone coverage

    TrakPhone coverage

    I’m using GoPhone here as that is the cheapest At&T way for most people to text vote if they belong to another cell phone service. It’s the one that has been the most touted when fan groups talk about how to Idol vote. The TrakPhone is the other pay as you go phone with a similar price range but since it is not At&T you can not use it to vote for Idol.

    This is the discrepency that must be fixed because as the rules are right now everyone across the country does not have the same access to voting especially as text power voting has become more of the choice year after year as the phone lines for 1 redial at a time get more and more tied up.

  115. One important thing to remember is that Kris and Adam had FIVE less performances than David and David.

    How do you figure that Grammie Kari? The Top 36 format robbed them of two performances. I believe they were also allowed one less song on Top Three night, only two as opposed to the previous year’s three. So that’s three less performances than the Davids, by my reckoning.

  116. How do you figure that Grammie Kari? The Top 36 format robbed them of two performances. I believe they were also allowed one less song on Top Three night, only two as opposed to the previous year’s three. So that’s three less performances than the Davids, by my reckoning.

    Not that I think it matters at all, but besides losing 2 performances during the semis, they lost a song on Top 5 night, a song on Top 4 night, and a song on Top 3 night. That makes 5.

  117. Woo-to-the-hoot!! Count me among those also glad we’ll be back to the top 24 format. Top 36 just doesn’t do any of these guys any justice. TPTB manipulation was just SO obvious wrt how things went down last year. All they cared about was moving Adam, Danny, and Lil to the Top 12, thus giving them the pimp spots each week (plus, we had already gotten TONS of Danny pimpage before this).

    I really loved past years with the top 24, because it gave you a chance to really get to know each person week after week. I never pick my favs this early in the competition, and I need them to grow on me, show me consistency for several weeks in a row, etc. before I know who I want to back.

    With the Top 36 format, too much was just left to chance rather than consistent, week after week, ability. You could have one great night out of the blue, and sail through to the next round. Or you could be an amazing talent, but either have no pimping, or one so-so night, and get kicked out of the competition completely.

    I must say, I think Kris getting through to the top 12 was sort of an amazing feat (he hardly registered with me on his group 2 night, and the judges didn’t seem to care to give him a wild card spot). So, to think about it, we very nearly could have not had him in the top 12 with the Top 36 format. I think he is definitely one of those talents that builds over time, rather than blowing it up in one performance.

  118. I believe they were also allowed one less song on Top Three night, only two as opposed to the previous year’s three. So that’s three less performances than the Davids, by my reckoning.

    IIRC, starting with top 5 in previous years, the contestants had 2 songs to sing (2 hr show, cut short last year because of Fringe, argh!) So top 5 and top 4 would have 2, then top 3 and top 2 would have 3 each.

  119. EXACTLY!!! I feel they need a young Susan Boyle this year’ ¦

    Eee-gads! No!! I firmly believe that SuBo does not have the full package talent to really sustain herself for the long term. She is no pop icon. She has next to zippo performance ability, and the way she blew up on BGT was flimsier than a piece of paper (she had to sing one song well, and mainly wowed everyone because of her frumpy appearance, rather than her ability, which can easily be matched by many a musical theater major all around the country). I just don’t see anything progressive or sustainable about her whatsoever, and for AI to try to copy that model, they will more surely fail, imo, than if they just try to find genuine, talented people.

  120. All I am saying is that with 30 million viewers an Idol winner should be ‘topping’  the sales chart each and every year if they are indeed America’s Idol. That premise no longer holds water!

    For most of those 30 million viewers, the show is about the show. Period. If that weren’t the case, they’d all be out there buying their favorite Idols music. They aren’t. Why? Once the confetti falls in May, most people move on. They could care less about charts and sales, or even, really, the Idols. Watching America Idol is a very popular American past time. That’s it. It never, ever was about “finding America’s next pop superstar!!” Not even for 19. You can’t compare the mega-bucks they make off of the show to what they make from the Idols’ recording careers.

    Sales figures aren’t going to kill Idol. Simon leaving, on the other hand? I don’t know. Will the show be like Glee without Sue Sylvester?

  121. Oh, yes – forgot to mention about the gender parity too, which MJ brought up. Yeah – back to the Top 24 will mean top 12 is 6 guys, 6 girls. It was all kinds of weird having such a lopsided top 13 this year! Talk about a boys club.

  122. One mediocre year of sales does not equal the end, if they find someone really likable who is very accessible to radio, they could have another super star.

    It is only a mediocre year if you look at THE WINNER. The runner-up is right on track with the runner-up last year. And he is beating the winner and runner-up from season 6. He is holding up his end of the deal.

    Carrie and Daughtry had a niche to slip into perfectly. If season 9 has a contestant like that, I am sure numbers will go up.

    Yep. I knew Carrie would explode, so did Simon. She was a BEAUTIFUL young country music girl! CM fans were thrilled that one of their own won AI. Winning AI has also helped her successfully “crossover” to pop. Those are always your big sellers! (Shania, Faith, Carrie, Taylor)
    What they need for season 9 is a male version of Carrie. A good-looking country/crossover young boy who is preferably religous and not married. Oh, and not gay! LOL! I actually think they are looking for a Taylor Swift this season.
    If another “nickleback light” type wins again, I believe we could be looking at even worse numbers (album sales wise) for the winner next year. We already have 3 singer/songwriter “pop-rock” types competing for attention and sales. I don’t think we need a fourth one.

  123. It is only a mediocre year if you look at THE WINNER. The runner-up is right on track with the runner-up last year. And he is beating the winner and runner-up from season 6. He is holding up his end of the deal.

    Sales of singles don’t matter, then?

  124. It is only a mediocre year if you look at THE WINNER. The runner-up is right on track with the runner-up last year. And he is beating the winner and runner-up from season 6. He is holding up his end of the deal.

    well this years runner up has had the most promotion for a idol ever so the fact that he’s up to par with lasts years isn’t very impressive. In fact he should be selling more then last years winner with all the promotion he’s got.

  125. well this years runner up has had the most promotion for a idol ever so the fact that he’s up to par with lasts years isn’t very impressive. In fact he should be selling more then last years winner with all the promotion he’s got.

    Nope, I just saw a chart which showed David Cook had 2x the appearances in Nov./Dec. than Adam had. I’m sure there is even a bigger difference after David’s win.

    Adam is this season’s runner-up and is selling more than 2x as much as this season’s winner. That IS impressive.

  126. Nope, I just saw a chart which showed David Cook had 2x the appearances in Nov./Dec. than Adam had. I’m sure there is even a bigger difference after David’s win.

    Adam is this season’s runner-up and is selling more than 2x as much as this season’s winner. That IS impressive.

    first off what chart and are you sure its accurate?

    and second as unfair as it is Kris album is doing terribly so Adam selling 2x more then him isn’t that impressive. JMO

  127. Tess, I like what you have written about the voting system. It was so discouraging when all the voting flaws were brought forth. I have watched American Idol from the beginning, but think this will be the first year I won’t be voting. Why bother, I cannot compete with text voting, computers, and anything else being used?

    Thank you, Zsus.

  128. I am a casual AI viewer, never voted, never visited fan sites, nor bought CDs from idols except this season. I am one of those cynics who considered AI a boring karaoke singing competition because the contestants were always same-old-same-old to me – awkward, skerdy, & intoxicatingly nice. Sooo stiff on stage, in short I wasn’t entertained. I wanted singing performances that gradually build up to the point that I can’t breathe with awe. I’m glad that I’ve seen those performances this season. Thanks to you, Adam. I couldn’t agree with Simon more when he said he like this season. I rewatched past performances and my verdict is still the same. As much as I hope Season 9 to be a notch better than the previous seasons, I won’t be surprise if I will still see cookie cutters on the top. After all this is AI, same voters, same rules.

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