Allison Iraheta: Just Like You Track List!

Walmart has posted the tracklist for Allison Iraheta’s upcoming album, Just Like You.

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Sneak Peek of 'She Used to Be Mine' from the WAITRESS Cast Album

The song previews are not available yet, but as soon as they are, I’ll post them up. Allison’s debut will be available everywhere on December 1.

Track List After the JUMP…

1. Friday I’ll Be Over You
2. Robot Love
3. Just Like You
4. Don’t Waste the Pretty
5. Scars
6. Pieces
7. D is for Dangerous
8. Holiday
9. Still Breathing
10. Trouble Is
11. One One Else
12. Beat Me Up
13. You Don’t Know Me

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74 Comments

  1. I’m just like you, but you don’t know me and Friday, I’ll be over you.

    Great to see the album coming together!

  2. Wahoo!

    Not that you can really tell anything from titles, but I like ’em. Especially Robot Love — how can you not love that title? And D Is For Dangerous.

  3. I’m just like you, but you don’t know me and Friday, I’ll be over you.

    LOL Kirsten, I suspect you could play a really awesome game of Mad Libs with Allison’s track list.

    So I wonder if Holiday is a Madonna cover????

    This is a wee bit hard for me to imagine, but I have no doubt that such a thing would be fabulous. I just can’t visualize Allison covering one of Madonna’s danciest tracks.

  4. rockvixen: So I wonder if Holiday is a Madonna cover????

    Good god, get those evil thoughts out of your head!

    Since Allison said the other day that Holiday is one of her two favorites on the album, I’m guessing not. ;-)

    Holiday is also the name of a Green Day song. Ahh, now that’s a much nicer thought…

  5. I read about Beat Me Up (Allison talked about it). Honestly, it feels too Rhianna for me–I am not sure I want to hear about 17 year old being beaten up by her boyfriend (which I believe is what it is about)–but we’ll see.

  6. 11. One One Else

    LOL WTF? Dont get this title at all…
    “You dont know me” sounds like a great song and I think it would have made a great title to the album as well even if it is a little snarly it still would have been ballsy especially after all the crap Simon gave her on the show and this is her debut album…
    I know AI is over but think about i it even has a better ring to it…I just don’t like “Just like you” as an album title because I don’t think it represents her well as an artist…it doesn’t articulate, for me what shes trying to say precisely because I DO NOT see her as being the same as every other singer her age out there she is very talented…yes she is still just a teenager but what is being highlighted about her is her talent and her “stage persona” not the fact that she is down to earth or young w/e…just mho.

  7. adamisthemanfan:
    11. One One Else

    LOL WTF? Dont get this title at all’ ¦

    That’s a typo. It’s actually No One Else.

    I just don’t like ‘Just like you’  as an album title because I don’t think it represents her well as an artist’ ¦it doesn’t articulate, for me what shes trying to say precisely because I DO NOT see her as being the same as every other singer her age out there she is very talented

    As I’ve said before, we don’t know what “Just Like You” actually means — the title song might actually have a message like “I don’t wanna be Just Like You” (and I hope it does). And I think it was someone else who suggested that it might mean “Isn’t that Just Like You to do such-and-such.”

  8. That’s a typo. It’s actually No One Else.

    Oh. Thanks :P hehe. No One else sounds a lot better LOL

  9. The one that caught my eye was “Don’t Waste The Pretty”. That sounds fun. Looking at the other titles, most of them sound kind of dark….Scars, Pieces, D Is For Dangerous, Still Breathing, Beat Me Up…hmmmm

  10. adamisthemanfan: No One else sounds a lot better LOL

    That’s true — No one else sounds a lot better than Allison. ;-)

    mzbet: Looking at the other titles, most of them sound kind of dark’ ¦.Scars, Pieces, D Is For Dangerous, Still Breathing, Beat Me Up’ ¦hmmmm

    I like ’em. Sounds like the kind of stuff Allison likes. It’s all good — it’s not like she’s cutting herself. :-D

  11. I can’t wait to listen the previews at least,
    LOL JohnM I ‘ll never forget when she said “it’s not like I’m cutting myself” She is special . hehe

  12. This serves notice that the release of the album is fast approaching! I think the titles are intriguing; personally, I wouldn’t mind the Madonna cover. I am still betting on a little for everyone one one the album, and a lot for some some of us.

  13. Great to see the titles, certainly keeps it interesting trying to guess what attitude the songs will have… I’m looking forward to what kind of craziness is Robot Love!
    ‘Beat Me Up’ doesn’t have to have violent overtones, I’m sure it’s the whole relationship head games that tear her up and beat up on the heart….not a Chris Brown situation. Don’t think Jive would take that sort of risk with a 17yr old. Tho, 60% of her tweets are threatening to beat a boy’s a–. Ha!

  14. I don’t think Holliday is a cover of Madonna’s since she said it was one of her favorite tracks. I think the titles are very intriguing. I’m very curious about Beat me up and You don’t know me and I’m also kind of curious about the funky ones like Robot Love and Don’t waste the pretty.

    Here’s hoping for some good tracks and yeah, I like dark stuff too so a few darkers songs in there would make my day.

  15. ppwars: I wouldn’t mind the Madonna cover.

    Someone said that Kara has written a song called Holiday (although I can’t find any evidence of it), so it might be Allison’s Kara song.

    I would be flabbergasted if it turned out to be the Madonna song.

    As for other songs…

    Someone else noted that there’s an Arctic Monkeys song called D Is For Dangerous, and Allison is a big alt-rock fan, so maybe it’s the same one. It’s good — check it here.

    Also, I looked up the title “Robot Love”, just because it’s my favorite and I’ve only had time to research one song so far, and I found one credited to Stella Joanne Attar and Simon Leigh Hulbert, with no performers listed. Here’s Stella Attar’s website.

  16. JohnM
    11/01/2009 at 5:22 pm
    ppwars: I wouldn’t mind the Madonna cover.
    ….
    Someone else noted that there’s an Arctic Monkeys song called D Is For Dangerous, and Allison is a big alt-rock fan, so maybe it’s the same one. It’s good ‘” check it here. ….

    “D is for Dangerous” IS a good song and sounds right down our Alli! Seems that there is not as great a chance of coincidence in this title, so I”ll bet on it. Alli can do a lot with this one.

    I just checked Stella Attar’s MySpace. Excellent potential IMHO.

  17. I read about Beat Me Up (Allison talked about it). Honestly, it feels too Rhianna for me’“I am not sure I want to hear about 17 year old being beaten up by her boyfriend (which I believe is what it is about)’“but we’ll see.

    I just had a problem with how she was like ‘yeah, some girls like being beat up,’ and I was all uhh yeah, bad way to put that. I think I remember reading that interview not too long after the Mary Murphy article in Us Weekly and the discussion here, so I was even more oh Allison. I like her, but oy vey sometimes that girl. She’s young, so I chalk it up to that and I like that she isn’t some robot with the pagent answers, so that’s cool. But she might want to work on her interviewing skills just a wee bit.

  18. I dig the titles. Very Benatar in tone. I wanna hear Scars and Still Breathing and also Don’t Waste the Pretty – sure to be hardcore tunes. Her voice fits these titles perfect – with a little dark/melancholy melodies. Allison maybe the last female rocker to put it in our faces.

    I was just listening to some Pat Benatar(live) on my way home. Fire and Ice, Promises in the Dark, Hell is for Children(talk about titles) and a couple other songs because Kevin Rudolf mentioned Allison to be a modern Pat Benatar, and boy he couldn’t be any more precise. How amazing that woman was, and along with those thundering guitars it was pure soul and hit you right between the shoulder blades. Can’t wait.

  19. John you’re tha man for doing the legwork for us. Robot love sounds a little Radar Love maybe? It could be open for interpretation. Great title though.

  20. Reposting another guess from someone else. There’s a song called Trouble Is by Aime Proal — she has a demo of it on her Myspace. Apparently she and Ryan Tedder wrote a song on Kelly’s latest album — Save You — so she has a bit of an AI-related history.

    I can hear Allison hitting a home run with this song.

    Rub: I was just listening to some Pat Benatar(live) on my way home. Fire and Ice, Promises in the Dark, Hell is for Children(talk about titles) and a couple other songs because Kevin Rudolf mentioned Allison to be a modern Pat Benatar, and boy he couldn’t be any more precise.

    A couple of coincidences…

    Just the other day at Allison’s site, we were coming up with songs we imagine her doing if she did an album of covers, and the Benatar song I came up with was Promises In The Dark. That song was killer, and I think it would fit Allison better than Heartbreaker or Hit Me.

    Also, I just sent off a Paramore CD to my sister, who doesn’t know their work, and I described Hayley Williams as a modern Pat Benatar without the tough-girl bravado. There’s a pair of damn good voices — John Mayer calls Hayley the Great Orange Hope because of her dyed hair (and her voice, of course), so I call Allison the Great Red Hope!

  21. I’m not too fond of Tedder but I never know.

    JohnM :There’s a pair of damn good voices ‘” John Mayer calls Hayley the Great Orange Hope because of her dyed hair (and her voice, of course), so I call Allison the Great Red Hope!

    That’s cool. I prefer the studio Paramore than the live ones. I guess the Allison live experience shattered any criteria I had for female vocalists.
    I like Paramore and Hayley, in general, but I couldn’t find a song to sink my teeth in. What are your favorites?

  22. JohnM
    11/01/2009 at 6:09 pm

    Reposting another guess from someone else. There’s a song called Trouble Is by Aime Proal ‘” she has a demo of it on her Myspace. Apparently she and Ryan Tedder wrote a song on Kelly’s latest album ‘” Save You ‘” so she has a bit of an AI-related history.

    I can hear Allison hitting a home run with this song

    Grand Slam !!

  23. OMG! I’m familiar with ‘Beat Me Up’ and “You Don’t Know Me’ and the idea of Allison singing those songs is brillant ! Just Brillant ! Her CD will be really good .

  24. I can hear Allison hitting a home run with this song.

    Me too! Just heard the song and I think Allison would kill this. I hope this is it, it’s also a more mature song and I’d love to hear what she does with it. That Aimee person sounds a lot like Kelly Clarkson.

    Just the other day at Allison’s site, we were coming up with songs we imagine her doing if she did an album of covers, and the Benatar song I came up with was Promises In The Dark. That song was killer, and I think it would fit Allison better than Heartbreaker or Hit Me.

    Allison definitely has the Benatar attitude and a lot of her songs remind me of Allie.

  25. ianaleah
    11/01/2009 at 6:41 pm

    OMG! I’m familiar with ‘Beat Me Up’ and ‘You Don’t Know Me’ and the idea of Allison singing those songs is brillant ! Just Brillant ! Her CD will be really good .

    SPILL – everything

  26. Rub: I guess the Allison live experience shattered any criteria I had for female vocalists.

    It shattered any criteria I had for any vocalist, ever!

    I like Paramore and Hayley, in general, but I couldn’t find a song to sink my teeth in. What are your favorites?

    That’s What You Get (way-cool rhythmic layers in the verses)
    Misery Business (punchy as all get-out)
    When It Rains (very pretty)
    Crushcrushcrush (simple but rockin’)

  27. Allison said that some girls allow themselves to be beat up and that’s it’s “very sad.” She wasn’t celebrating it.

    She said she assumes a character role in the song, a girl who is getting beat up by her boyfriend.

    I don’t think it will be in favor of violence, but the opposite.

    I”m glad that some of the songs sound serious, so it won’t all be pop fluff, she said some of it will be rock and “harder” than the single, so that to me is good. She has a level of maturity (while also being a teenager) that she can express as a singer and the titles give me hope that will happen here. Kids these days grow up faster and know about these things to talk about them.

    Anyway, how exciting to hear the titles, thanks to mj, I can’t wait for more news.

  28. JohnM :It shattered any criteria I had for any vocalist, ever!

    haha I can’t say I disagree.

    Thanks for those Paramore trax I like ’em all, especially “when it rains” and “thats what you get.”

    Btw, that Aimee Proal trak is off the hook! Now Im hoping thats the one. Aimee’s demo sounds very Aguilera and I believe Allison mops the floor with Aguilera and I have a lot of respect for Agui.

  29. Well, a certain other idol just can’t seem to shut up :) At least she looked really pretty and the song sounds awesome in the background, not to mention there are some really cool images of her rocking out on tour.

  30. Yes, I couldn’t help but wonder what Kris and Allison were thinking when that “certain other idol” was raving about his album. But hey, they all had their chance to say what they wanted.

    I thought it was funny how they played that generic background music when Adam was talking.

  31. But hey, they all had their chance to say what they wanted.

    Yeah, but was it edited out? :)

  32. alli lurker
    11/01/2009 at 8:25 pm
    Alli doesn’t say too much, but FIBOU sounds awesome.

    I think FIBOU has been under-appreciated.

    alli lurker
    11/01/2009 at 8:37 pm
    I thought it was funny how they played that generic background music when Adam was talking.

    I thought that was the TFM song. It really sounds generic, especially when contrasted with FIBOU and LLWD.
    Regarding Adam’s talking about his album, I think he is simply more articulate and expressive than the others, which makes for better soundbites.

  33. LoveDaRocker: I agree that Adam is the most articulate and expressive. I love Allison, but I don’t know if she’ll ever have the interview skills that some people think she should or will have. Some people just aren’t good at interviews. (Jennifer Anniston is a good example.) She may always be most expressive through her music. And that’s okay with me!!

  34. Come on, Allison is 17 and does pretty well in interviews if the interviewer actually pays attention to her and knows how to ask questions.

  35. Good point alli lurker, Allison doesn’t have to be good at interviews, that’s okay, it’s about the music, not the interviews. A lot of singers express themselves through their singing, not talking. Plus, Allison might be a bit intimidated by interviews still, it’s new to her and she’s young. I like that she’s natural and not slick or doesn’t have a good “line” down or a good “persona” but she’s just herself, a very natural person.

    Even a lot of actors, and writers, and probably other artists, are that way, often they are shy or reserved in interviews and don’t even give them. Not that Allison is shy or reserved, lol. She’s just not got a “spiel” and I kind like that about her.

    Plus, I like the way she talks in interviews. It’s kind of hard when all 3 of them are interviewed together. She’ll get her share of solo interviews.

  36. Allison said that some girls allow themselves to be beat up and that’s it’s ‘very sad.’  She wasn’t celebrating it…

    I don’t think it will be in favor of violence, but the opposite.

    I never said she was in favour of the violence, to me she was just a little too blase about it. I remember being struck with kind of a ‘whuu’ about her answer. It just was not the greatest answer about a very serious topic, is what I felt happened. Which yeah, she’s 17 and not a pageant interviewer, it’s going to happen. I don’t hold it against her, and I don’t want her to become like Jasmine was on AI. Talk about a robot! But just for her own sake, maybe just a wee bit of polishing up the interviewing skills, and still staying herself. It won’t be hard, and she’s young so she has time. This is something that could be helpful for her, but agreed, so not the most important thing, which agreed, is her music. Which I hope will be good and am looking forward to hearing some clips from the album sooner than later. It was so frustrating on that Walmart website to only hear the Walmart voice lady saying the previews weren’t available yet. pffft to that.

    Oh and I agree with the above poster who says that FIBOU is underrated. It is my second fave single now that all three offical first ones have been released (was my 1st fave when Adam’s was TfM).

    I thought that was the TFM song. It really sounds generic, especially when contrasted with FIBOU and LLWD.
    Regarding Adam’s talking about his album, I think he is simply more articulate and expressive than the others, which makes for better soundbites.

    yeah, that’s TfM and yeah they chose the most generic, boring parts of the song, and yeah, didn’t fit with the other songs at all. Wish they had put in parts of FYE, instead, but bygones. I don’t think Adam hogged the spotlight. In fact he was sick that day and was the lowest energy I’ve seen him in any interview. Kris was pretty low energy as well from getting over being sick and from being him. I persoanlly thought Allison came off really well! High energy, cute, FIBOU sounded really good when put over footage of her performing. So yeah, I thought Allison and FIBOU acquitted themselves well on this. Good job Allison!

  37. Wow – Its even funnier that what I thought was “generic background music” was actually TFM. LMAO.

    FIBOU is far and away my favorite of the songs released to date. I agree that its been under-appreciated so far – I hope that changes.

  38. I believe Allison mops the floor with Aguilera

    Lol, as a vocalist? Not even CLOSE. Allison can’t even measure up to 17 year old Aguilera, if you want to compare their technical ability.

  39. PRMari: Well, a certain other idol just can’t seem to shut up

    Or everyone in the media can’t seem to shut off their excessive fawning all over him. As you touched on, I wouldn’t be surprised if they simply edited it to focus most on him — because, as you know, he is The Greatest Being Ever Created In This Or Any Universe.

    LoveDaRocker: Regarding Adam’s talking about his album, I think he is simply more articulate and expressive than the others

    Kris is plenty articulate. And he’s hilarious. And as PRMari said, Allison can do well too — her Idolatry interview was excellent. She’ll be just fine, and will improve too as she does more of these.

    Truthiness: I never said she was in favour of the violence, to me she was just a little too blase about it.

    I didn’t think so at all. Plus, no one has any idea at all when reading a print interview how the person actually said what they said, what was edited out, or even whether they actually said what was quoted. I’ve had newspaper stories done about me in which the reporter either twisted what I said or outright made up quotes. I certainly don’t think that happened here — just illustrating that interviews (even audio/video ones) can lead people to draw invalid conclusions due to incomplete information.

    It was so frustrating on that Walmart website to only hear the Walmart voice lady saying the previews weren’t available yet. pffft to that.

    Yes! She was practicing her Robot Love on us.

    Oh and I agree with the above poster who says that FIBOU is underrated. It is my second fave single now that all three offical first ones have been released (was my 1st fave when Adam’s was TfM).

    Oh Truthiness, I love you but really? FYE? That’s definitely the weakest of all four — and putting it behind TfM is pretty stunning coming from me, as I hate power ballads! I put FIBOU and LLWD miles ahead of TfM and FYE.

  40. Lol, as a vocalist? Not even CLOSE. Allison can’t even measure up to 17 year old Aguilera, if you want to compare their technical ability.

    I don’t think it’s just about technical ability for some of us. Allison just seems to click emotionally with songs on a level that I’ve never seen Christina do and I love her voice, so it’s not a knock at her.

    FIBOU is most definitely underrated so far and I do love how it liven things up in that Wallmart Soundcheck interview, it’s just a song that sticks in your head.

  41. Plus, no one has any idea at all when reading a print interview how the person actually said what they said, what was edited out, or even whether they actually said what was quoted. I’ve had newspaper stories done about me in which the reporter either twisted what I said or outright made up quotes. I certainly don’t think that happened here ‘” just illustrating that interviews (even audio/video ones) can lead people to draw invalid conclusions due to incomplete information.

    IIRC, this was Slezak, he didn’t edit anything out, and he in fact asked her some follow-up questions to try and give her some more depth on it. I don’t think it worked. So no, this isn’t one of those times.

    Oh Truthiness, I love you but really? FYE? That’s definitely the weakest of all four ‘” and putting it behind TfM is pretty stunning coming from me, as I hate power ballads! I put FIBOU and LLWD miles ahead of TfM and FYE.

    And I think it’s the strongest and yes, genuinely like it. I know! It’s like we’re allowed to have different musical tastes, or something. Wacky, but I’m going with it. And this isn’t my Adam stan thing, as I am on record of not being fond of TfM, though I still put the shorter MV version ahead of LLWD. But in actuality I do think FYE is a good, not great, pop/dance song. For the record to make this relevant to this thead, I think FIBOU is also a good, but not great pop or rock song, either. Both FYE and FIBOU have their flaws, but I think FYE is better overall. More fun and dancier, so succeeding in what it was supposed to do more than FIBOU is it’s genre and for Allison. But that’s my opinion, obviously your differs and that’s cool, but that doesn’t make your saying FYE is the weakest song, actually true. Nor my saying I like it make it the strongest. It means we like different things sometimes.

    I’m not going to touch the Adam/media stuff, because this isn’t an Adam thread. There are plenty of those around, no need to make this one. :)

    Meanwhile and speaking of media, Allison is going to need some promotion for FIBOU. Jive has really not impressed me with their rollout of her, the way the single was on iTunes and Amazon for like a day. The radio adds that went nowhere, no interviews set up, no balls/promos except one. BUT I seem to recall that in her recent Twitter party she mentioned that she would be gearing up for interviews and the like, next week, IIRC? I could look this up, but I’m being lazy and I’m sure the Allison stans have this info already.

  42. Sherena: Lol, as a vocalist? Not even CLOSE. Allison can’t even measure up to 17 year old Aguilera, if you want to compare their technical ability.

    I don’t follow pop music, and to my knowledge I had never heard an Aguilera song until tonight when I read your post and went to the Tube to listen to the four singles from her first album, which would be 17-year-old her. I’ve seen other references here to her being a phenomenal prodigy to be compared to Allison.

    Based on what I heard, she’s certainly good. And from what I read at Wiki, she would certainly beat Allison on range, so there’s one point for her on technical ability, yes.

    Adam also beats her on that same technical measure, and maybe some others. But he can’t hold a candle to her soulfulness, natural emotional expressiveness, and full-bodied tone. I would say that Christina comes closer than Adam on all of those counts, but (with the caveat that I only listened to four singles) Allison still beats her easily. As PRMari said, it’s not just about technical ability.

    Moreover, as I said here long ago, I think Allison’s technical ability is sorely underrated. She displayed subtle control on the likes of I Can’t Make You Love Me and Someone To Watch Over Me that seemed to go almost unnoticed but was top-shelf.

    So, frankly, I don’t know who wins the technical war — probably advantage Christina and Adam — but for overall ability, it’s they who have to try to measure up to Allison, not the other way around.

  43. I don’t think it’s just about technical ability for some of us. Allison just seems to click emotionally with songs on a level that I’ve never seen Christina do and I love her voice, so it’s not a knock at her.

    That’s fine. I took the quote I responded to separate of context because I hadn’t read the conversation before it. Emotional connection is something that’s entirely subjective and I would be silly to contradict your opinion as if it weren’t valid or something.

    Just wanted to make it clear that Allison is light years BEHIND Aguilera in terms of technical ability, which can be measured pretty much objectively. And it ain’t just range… I believe a certain forum of music lovers has a nice list which includes most of the important factors in their rock music section.

    Stating that Allison mops the floor in technical ability with Christina (or Aretha, Celine, Whitney in their primes) would be truly fan hyperbole. But as for emotional connection? Go right on ahead, and sorry to interrupt. :)

  44. Truthiness: I am on record of not being fond of TfM, though I still put the shorter MV version ahead of LLWD.

    Sorry, no idea what MV is.

    that doesn’t make your saying FYE is the weakest song, actually true. Nor my saying I like it make it the strongest. It means we like different things sometimes.

    Of course. Always the underlying assumption. Although, I prefer to think of it as analyzing the songs differently rather than simply liking different things — I try my best to step back and use criteria that are as objective as possible, despite the fact that I know true objectivity is impossible.

    Meanwhile and speaking of media, Allison is going to need some promotion for FIBOU. Jive has really not impressed me with their rollout of her, the way the single was on iTunes and Amazon for like a day. The radio adds that went nowhere, no interviews set up, no balls/promos except one.

    Yeah, it’s been really weird. But I’m just going to reserve judgment on Jive’s conduct for a while longer, until she has a chance to get out there after this rehearsal period.

  45. Sorry, no idea what MV is.

    Music video. The TFM music video cuts out 33 seconds of the song.

  46. Sherena: Just wanted to make it clear that Allison is light years BEHIND Aguilera in terms of technical ability, which can be measured pretty much objectively. And it ain’t just range’ ¦ I believe a certain forum of music lovers has a nice list which includes most of the important factors in their rock music section.

    To begin with, don’t apologize for “interrupting”. This issue of technical ability is one that I struggle with a lot — I spend a disturbing amount of time arguing with myself over what can and can’t be measured objectively.

    And I keep coming back to the notion that there is very little that can be measured objectively. Besides range, the ones I typically think of as possibly having objective measures are power, dynamic control, and intonation (including interval accuracy), though I think the latter two get very squishy based on style. This always makes me think back to the old days of figure skating — the term itself comes from the fact that competitors used to have to literally skate figures (like figure 8s) on the ice, and the judges would get down on their hands and knees and examine how perfectly their blades had cut the required figures. But, coming back to the “it’s not just technical ability” point, skating a perfect figure 8 doesn’t translate to a great performance. There were skaters who scored quite well in competitions despite being pretty bad other than in the “school figures” as they were called. Eventually those were dropped from competitions.

    I’d be interested in seeing this list of technial aspects you referred to. What do you think can be measured objectively?

  47. Of course. Always the underlying assumption. Although, I prefer to think of it as analyzing the songs differently rather than simply liking different things ‘” I try my best to step back and use criteria that are as objective as possible, despite the fact that I know true objectivity is impossible.

    Actually, so did I, which is why I said that both song were good pop songs, but neither one of them were great, and gave a few reasons why I thought that. Truncated though they were, I didn’t just cite personal tastes. But to expand, I find FYE stronger than FIBOU, because I thought that FYE is a more solid fun dance/pop song and captures Adam’s voice more than FIBOU does for Allison for rock/pop and capturing her voice. As I said, both have flaws and both in fact hide the voices, with some complaining too much. I do think that even in the poor quality radio snippet on here (versus the download) at least in the latter part of the song, Adam’s voice is at least at times distinctive and discernible. I find that less so that for Allison throughout her song. FYE conveyed Adam’s sexy type of personality/vibe more than I thought FIBOU conveyed Allison’s fiesty personality. Not that I thought FIBOU didn’t convey that at all, I think it did, but not as well as FYE did for Adam. And as you brought LLWD in this, I don’t think it did a good job in capturing Kris’s musical arranging abilities (none happened as it’s the same song), he didn’t write it, he didn’t play the instruments on it, it’s not organic, and to me, it’s not fun like FYE or FIBOU are, nor does it even rock out. So that’s why I put it the weakest of all the songs.

    Oh and all of that is still subjective, which is why I did go back to it just being taste, because attempting to analyze things and be objective is fine, but ultimately impossible.

  48. Lol, as a vocalist? Not even CLOSE. Allison can’t even measure up to 17 year old Aguilera, if you want to compare their technical ability.

    Yeah–really agree. Allison has a great grainy quality to her voice and she’s real talented, but Christina Aguilera is an incredible vocalist. Did you hear her Rock the Vote Public Service Spot singing America the Beautiful? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDeuQOEaZUQ It’s all in her head voice–she’s got another octave or more BELOW that entire song. She has an incredible range and amazing vocal control.

    Frankly, Allison is a far better singer than many singers with hit songs, but she’s not better than this one.

  49. JohnM

    That’s why I said “pretty much objectively.” When two singers are very close in ability, then it can be hard to discern and state with absolute certainty who is more technically accomplished in any one factor, but that’s really NOT the case here with Allison v. Christina (or Allison v. Aretha, or Celine, or Mariah, or Whitney, or insert any other great technical vocalist at their height). Christina is what I, and all of the professional vocalists I know, would classify as a vocal masterclass, whether they like her songs or preferred vocal stylings or not. She’s pretty much at the pinnacle of technical ability for a singer. I believe Celine, a truly excellent vocalist herself, rated Christina the best female vocalist alive. Allison, quite frankly, is not at that level.

    Here is the DDD boys’ forum link:

    http://forums.nutsie.com/viewtopic.php?t=18672

    Here are their criterion:

    Tier 1: Breath support, register switching, register blending, pitch, vocal runs, consistency throughout registers, volume control, vibrato control, sustain, and diction.
    Tier 2: Projection, Resonance, Range, and Versatility.

    Obviously some of these are more iffy to rate than others, but each is 1000x easier to objectively measure than emotional connection.

    You can also see on their site some of the conversations they have, with many a liberal use of mp3 and youtube links, to justify their ratings in each category.

  50. Sherena :Stating that Allison mops the floor in technical ability with Christina (or Aretha, Celine, Whitney in their primes) would be truly fan hyperbole.

    When I originally stated Allison mops the floor I never said to be in technicality. Christina has a limited range as well and higher than Alli for sure. But is it always about being technically sound or range for that matter? There are plenty of vocalists that are a thousand times better in those 2 categories but do they do anything for me? If Celine said Aguilera is the best alive, her opinion won’t help me either.

    I’ll put this the way I compare guitarists, since its something I’m more familiar with. Steve Vai, Eddie Van Halen, Nuno Bethencourt are one of the most technically precise players out there with incredible speeds, but I always their solos were random and had nothing to do with the direction of the song. Their solos were to show off their skills, unfortunately their soulless, emotionless solos became forgetable and never did anything to complement the music, especially when compared to Slash. Slash looses the war in technicality and speed but he more than makes up with soul delivery and beautiful solos with a raw emotional sound to his playing. Sweet child o Mine is a familiar example. Allison has a raw beautiful sound, and she can get up there as well i.e. STWOM and PWARS are a couple of examples that even Cantielo admitted Allison can be better than Mariah.

    gtg

  51. STWOM and PWARS are a couple of examples that even Cantielo admitted Allison can be better than Mariah.

    Leaving everything else aside here, are you talking about Jim Cantiello here, or someone whose musical opinions actually matter? No offense to Jim.

  52. I’m really not going to argue on who’s a better singer between Allison and 17 year old Christina Aguilera because my reasons for liking Allison better come down to personal taste and a different musical style (I don’t like most of Christina’s music). However, I will say that when it comes to range, people usually tend do mostly look at how high a singer can go but disregard the lower range and Allison has a (gorgeous IMO) lower range that a lot of current female singers don’t have. While she may not hit incredibly high notes like Mariah and Christina can, she can go low for a different effect.

    Tier 1: Breath support, register switching, register blending, pitch, vocal runs, consistency throughout registers, volume control, vibrato control, sustain, and diction.
    Tier 2: Projection, Resonance, Range, and Versatility

    If these are the criteria for making a technically good singer, it just makes the case for Allison being a pretty good technical singer stronger. The only criticism she usually got out of anything here was about diction and it’s been discussed many times that part of it has to do with the braces and it being a deliberate stylistic choice on her part.

    Yeah, it’s been really weird. But I’m just going to reserve judgment on Jive’s conduct for a while longer, until she has a chance to get out there after this rehearsal period.

    It has been weird but I’m thinking there are a lot of factors at play here. I think at this point the type of promotion that Allison needs to do requires of her going out and becoming more visible to those people who don’t know her. Those of us that follow idol on the internet know what’s going on but what she needs now is to get those people who don’t even know her to see and hear her. She’s starting radio promos in less than 2 weeks and has been rehearsing with the band, so that makes me think that in the very near future, this is what will go on.They also have the video that should come out at some point soon. I don’t really know how much can the label control the radio adds and spins so again, until Allison herself goes out to promote the song and get people to like it, I don’t think much is going to happen. Somebody also commented a few days ago on how Allison’s age might be a factor here because of child labor laws and I’m wondering if that is one of the reasons for the delay in this type of promotion. Regardless of that, I don’t think Jive was shooting for an instant hit and huge opening sales numbers with her, given again that she’s pretty much an unknown and there really hasn’t been enough time to put together the album and promote it and her aggressively. Maybe the strategy is to go for slower build.

    I also wonder how much of this is Jive and how much is 19E management. If 19 is managing all three, then I see Allison getting the short end of the stick when it comes to promo resources given that Kris is the winner and Adam is Adam. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

  53. All things considered, Allison makes a formidable opponent for Christina. I would love to see a little one on one between them and I think is up in the air. We don’t know Allisons range limit yet. Just when I thought I had it figured out, she does an incredible crybaby outro on tour hitting those high notes(check out first 5 dates on tour) especially the last 20 seconds. We already know what Christina can do and hasn’t progressed much.

  54. About the Christina Aguilera – Allison Iraheta comparison: I’m a part of the generation that grew with Christina and remeber her early steps. She was and still is underappreciated. Britney had the luck to come out few months before her so they were always compared in their teen years, now they totally different. Technically Christina might be better than Allison, she’s a Disney kid and had proffesional coaching since she was little. Allison started to take vocal lessons later and I don’t think they were good lessons, since in one interview she admitted that she learned how to take care of her voice during the tour. Christina and Allison’s voice are very different so I won’t try to compare them. When it comes to the emotional aspect of the singing – I would say they’re probably on the same level.

    About FYE: I think, and I’m saying this objetcively because I was a huge fan of Adam’s at the beginning, it’s a bad song. I listened to it many times. At first I was like: that’s it. It’s simply not memorable. The second time I wondered through the whole song what other song does it remind me. The more I listened to it, the more things were not right. Mainly Adam’s voice and what it displayed: it was not genuine, Adam’s has a too ‘nice’ voice to be seductive and badass, it’s like a kitten trying to bark. The song doesn’t have any catchiness to it.
    I’ve seen Adam compared to Britney. I personally think Britney’s songs aren’t good, but she still has a huge fallowing from her early albums that grew up with her, that are a big part of why her songs are successful. Moreover, she’s a brand for many years. In socialogy there are these 2 theories: the more you listen/look at something the more you like it (the exposition effect); the more people like (or if there’s a hype that makes you think all people like) something the more you tend to like it also (the snowball effect). Don’t know if those will apply to Adam. There’s certainly a hype around him (but I think not connected as much to music nowadays). A lot people praised him during the show, he’s RCA and 19E pet right now, doubt they will admit that his songs are bad, they will push very hard. But from the listeners standpoint (who doesn’t love music because it was made by a certain artist, but who does like some artist because of their music) – we already heard 2 Adam’s songs from the album (TFM and FYE which we’re heavily praised as something they obviously aren’t) and the were not good… His whole album has some many genres, some people won’t like it. My prediction: Adam will be as successful ass huge his hardcore fanbase (who buy everything that Adam sells) already is, doubt he will gain that many new fans, especially with his first single. I like LLWD and FIBOU much better.

    Back to Allison:
    1.I think that FIBOU is a good song (maybe very good for most of her peers). It’s definitely catchy, has a nice and simple lyrics, some girl power to it – I think it has what it takes to be a succcessful single.
    2.All she nedds is promotion. Allison tweeted that it will start in 2 weeks, so something around 13th Nov.
    3.The Aimee Proal song is really beautiful as a whole, with a better production it can be a good song on her album and I would like for it to be there.
    4.Hope that Jive will do Allison justice and promote her the right way, which I believe will happen.
    5.I checked her bandmates on IDF, they all are really talented and with good looks. It looks like the band was picked very carefully (talent-wise, looks-wise, attitude-wise) which is a good sign. Would love a really good mixed rock band these days (in Allison’s case, maybe I’ll have to wait few years).
    6.Also what’s going on with FIBOU? I looked up the track list on IDF and it says that FIBOU on her album is 4:00 long, but the song that is “floating” around is about 3:15… Did they made a new version and thus not promoting the old? It’s really strange…

  55. I’ll be so happy when ALL OF THE IDOLS loose the idol tag. What an albatross to carry around your neck, especially as regards to the AI fanbase. And I’m counting on the WalMart Interview being the VERY LAST time we will ever have to have Kradison in the same frame together.

    I just don’t understand why other Idols have to be brought into the conversation at every drop of the hat. Personally I’m measuring Kris and Adam and Allison based on their impact compared to other singers who are in their genre and who seem to appeal to the same demographic.

    Maybe, someday, we can hear more from Ali then her first single which is floating out in cyberspace beyond the grasp of mere mortals. Then we can see how she “measures” up and make some educated guess on her staying power within the industry.

  56. 6.Also what’s going on with FIBOU? I looked up the track list on IDF and it says that FIBOU on her album is 4:00 long, but the song that is ‘floating’  around is about 3:15′ ¦ Did they made a new version and thus not promoting the old? It’s really strange’ ¦

    Just jumping on here. I’m not an expert in it, but there are often multiple versions of a song in terms of what is on an album and what is sent to the radio stations. A shorter version for radio vs album makes a lot of sense to fit the radio format a little better.

  57. Nice album cover, Allison…..great sound for the younger generation, hope it does well….I’ll be waiting for your “Janis Joplin sounding” album, for the more mature audience that fell in love with you from AI! Rock on girl & enjoy….

  58. Yeah’“really agree. Allison has a great grainy quality to her voice and she’s real talented, but Christina Aguilera is an incredible vocalist. … Frankly, Allison is a far better singer than many singers with hit songs, but she’s not better than this one.

    Good thing the Iraheta-Placido Domingo duet has not been set :-).
    Folks, Allison is as good as Aguilera FOR THE POP/ROCK world in which they live. I personally prefer Allison because I just find her more interesting, enjoy her raspy voice and rocker-chick persona, and her interpretations prompt me to sing along (as opposed to Aguilera’s, which I think oversings most times).
    As far as promotion, maybe Jive is not promoting her enough, but IMO, they are doing a fantastic job with her look (see cover art above) and, judging by FIBOU, her music. Remember also, that we are still a month from release, so I wouldn’t worry just yet. I mean, we know the title, the cover art, the track list, and one of the songs. We also saw behind-the-scenes footage of her photo shoot, and got interesting details of her new band. At this point, thats good for me.
    Regarding interviews, I might be wrong, but I thought that Slezak’s interview did not tell me much about how good/bad she is at interviews. She was fine, but Slezak did a lot of talking and moderating. I thought Lyndsey Parker’s interviews, especially the last one , showed more of her personality than Slezak’s. For example, in the last one, taken close to the end of the tour, she wears a Kimono given to her by a Japanese fan, and motions as if shooting herself because she is getting tired of singing the same songs every night. How’s that for personality, Mr. Cowell?

  59. Mary102: I’m not an expert in it, but there are often multiple versions of a song in terms of what is on an album and what is sent to the radio stations. A shorter version for radio vs album makes a lot of sense to fit the radio format a little better.

    Right. Although not every single is an edited version of the album track, it’s extremely common and is a tradition going back at least as far as the 60s. On the album version, there will be an extra verse, or an extra chorus, or an extra instrumental section, and it will be edited out for the single version so that it won’t be too long for radio stations to want to play it. So there’s nothing strange at all about the longer time for the album version of FIBOU.

    Sometimes, more radical edits are made for the single. There was a single by The Shins a couple of years ago or so called Sea Legs, and for the single version they not only cut down the album version’s ending instrumental but also added in a chorus after it. Totally screwed me up every time I heard it on the radio.

  60. LoveDaRocker: We also saw behind-the-scenes footage of her photo shoot, and got interesting details of her new band.

    Yeah, I don’t really think they’ve skimped on her, but about the details on the band, that wasn’t Jive’s doing — the only reason we know the identity of any of the band members is fan research, much of it by our own PRMari, who figured things out from Allison’s Twitter connections.

  61. JohnM
    the only reason we know the identity of any of the band members is fan research, much of it by our own PRMari, who figured things out from Allison’s Twitter connections

    I figured someone would bring that up, which is true. Thanks PRMari. My comments was geared towards the overall approach to Allison. I get the feeling the girls-in-band approach will work out very well, and I am sure Jive either suggested it, or at least approved it.

  62. LoveDaRocker
    I thought Lyndsey Parker’s interviews, especially the last one , showed more of her personality than Slezak’s.

    I totally agree. This was my favorite interview of hers. Definitely showed her personality (or what I imagine it to be, since I don’t know her personally.) Maybe in other interviews she gets too concerned about what she’s supposed to say rather than just being herself. I guess a kid talking to adults CAN be intimidating. She must be very comfortable with Lyndsey.

  63. Tess
    I’ll be so happy when ALL OF THE IDOLS loose the idol tag. What an albatross to carry around your neck, especially as regards to the AI fanbase.

    Does that happen? I don’t think an Idol, especially a finalist, looses that label easily. To this day, Kelly is still associated with Idol (see recent interview at The View).

    Alli lurker
    Definitely showed her personality (or what I imagine it to be, since I don’t know her personally.)

    I don’t know her either.

  64. in the last one, taken close to the end of the tour, she wears a Kimono given to her by a Japanese fan, and motions as if shooting herself because she is getting tired of singing the same songs every night. How’s that for personality, Mr. Cowell?

    This is starting to add up…there were Japanese fans at the last AI tour concert; wonder if they were there for Allison? I wish I had asked them.

    Everywhere you turn, there are signs of international interest in these Idols! There is an Adam fan club in Venezuela that covers most of South America and the Caribbean, and is conducted in Spanish.

    I also heard that between 30 and 40% of the people here at mj’s are from outside the U.S.

  65. Apologies for continuing this tangent a bit, but…

    Rub: I’ll put this the way I compare guitarists, since its something I’m more familiar with. Steve Vai, Eddie Van Halen, Nuno Bethencourt are one of the most technically precise players out there with incredible speeds, but I always their solos were random and had nothing to do with the direction of the song. Their solos were to show off their skills, unfortunately their soulless, emotionless solos became forgetable and never did anything to complement the music

    While you certainly have a valid point, I’d offer Van Halen’s I’m The One and Ice Cream Man as counter-examples — I think EVH’s work fits perfectly with the first and very well with the second. Kind of ironic, given that those were more straight blues-based songs than the more stereotypically pyrotechnic stuff. :-)

    especially when compared to Slash. Slash looses the war in technicality and speed but he more than makes up with soul delivery and beautiful solos with a raw emotional sound to his playing. Sweet child o Mine is a familiar example.

    I’m not part of the G’n’R generation and never paid any attention to them. My standard examples for soulful, beautiful, emotional solos without speed are the Allman Brothers’ legendary Fillmore East recording of Stormy Monday (Duane Allman’s solo at 3:35 and especially Dickey Betts’ solo at 6:05), and Stevie Ray Vaughn’s extremely slow Tin Pan Alley — can’t find the original studio version on Youtube, so here are Part 1 and Part 2 of a live version.

    What? Me, a blues-rock fan??

  66. I think the band bubble tweet may have been suggested to her by her people or at least approved as a promotional tool. The identity of those members took some detective work but she gave us the most important thing for us to figure it out. We can’t discount the effect Twitter has been having on promotion this year. News travel really fast on Twitter and it reaches a lot of people at once. It wouldn’t surprise me if most of her efforts to stay in touch with her fans through twitter are “strongly suggested” to her by her people.

  67. Sorry took long to respond and appreciate your counterpoint.

    JohnM : I’d offer Van Halen’s I’m The One and Ice Cream Man as counter-examples ‘” I think EVH’s work fits perfectly with the first and very well with the second. Kind of ironic, given that those were more straight blues-based songs than the more stereotypically pyrotechnic stuff.

    John those are some good songs. As you said, everybody missed Eddie’s bluesy side and only caught his signature finger tapping. But even in these recordings Eddie was being Eddie with the possible exception of Ice Cream, very nice.

    My standard examples for soulful, beautiful, emotional solos without speed are the Allman Brothers’ legendary Fillmore East recording of Stormy Monday (Duane Allman’s solo at 3:35 and especially Dickey Betts’ solo at 6:05), and Stevie Ray Vaughn’s extremely slow Tin Pan Alley ‘” can’t find the original studio version on Youtube, so here are Part 1 and Part 2 of a live version.

    Good stuff and thanks for this. Fairly technically decent too – proves my point. No Need for speed or be bound by technical parameters that may limit the possibilities.

    I’m not part of the G’n’R generation and never paid any attention to them.

    You should give it shot you may like them.
    check this one out – give it nice listen. Just this -> “Civil War” nice solos throughout(wah wah) and the last solo at 6:34, nice(sorry don’t know the format for links)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALhwQKTRAgA

    there are others like Double talking Jive …

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