Allison Iraheta and Jive Records Part Ways, remains with 19 Recordings

Aw man. We knew it was coming when Allison Iraheta no longer appeared on the Jive Artist list on the label’s web page.

Entertainment Weekly breaks the news:

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Allison Iraheta, fourth-place finisher on season 8 of American Idol, has parted ways with her label, Jive Records, EW.com has learned. Rumors began to swirl in the blogosphere over Labor Day weekend, when fans of the red-headed rocker noticed she was no longer listed under the roster of artists on Jive’s official Web site.

“Allison Iraheta has parted ways with Jive Records, however she remains signed to 19 Recordings. Allison is currently on the road in the U.S. opening for Adam Lambert on the Glam Nation Tour, ” a 19 spokesperson told EW.

The good news, is that Allison remains with 19 recordings. Hopefully, 19’s new distribution partner, Universal Music Group decides to pick her up.

Seriously, she’s so talented, I can’t help but think she’ll land on her feet somewhere. It just may be a case of youth. Allison was too mature to be marketed to the tween set, yet maybe not quite mature enough to perform adult music. In a few years, that girl is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

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182 Comments

  1. Oh, that didn’t last long. Especially for a label like Jive that seems to not let go people that easy. I guess it’s not a surprise though.
    They could also let go Kris and Archuleta if you ask me. Considering how it seems they don’t give a sht about their singles.

  2. 19 is handling all this -they know what they got-, watch out for a signing soon. If I were to guess, Interscope records where AFI, Gn’R and Orianthi reside and 19 manages her as well.

    In all reality, Jive letting Alli go was probably the best news right after being signed by them in June of last year. If you know what I mean. Barbara Whites, Allis A&R, directed Alli in the wrong direction musically. A rocker has no business recording with Martin. I think 19 is gonna evolve with her into a genre new to them as well.

  3. This is unfortunate. I do think that Allison is talented, and I wish her the best.

  4. Seriously, she’s so talented, I can’t help but think she’ll land on her feet somewhere. It just may be a case of youth. Allison was too mature to be marketed to the tween set, yet maybe not quite mature enough to perform adult music. In a few years, that girl is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

    MJ, well said.
    In an interview Allison said she was going to start writing after the tour. My feeling is that she knew about these things way back, and based on the music she’s into, is going to be the real deal, rock. She isnt top 40, just as Paramore isn’t top 40. She’s a home boy’s homegirl -meaning she’s out there from the street- her stuff doesn’t appeal to the kinda thing pop radio is interested in. Heck pop radio isn’t spinning real Hip Hop or true rock anyways.
    Fascinating stuff.

  5. Hopefully Universal has some interest in Allison but I wouldn’t say being dropped by Jive is a good thing. In general, it’s a pretty bad thing unless some other major is interested in you.

  6. In a few years, that girl is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

    I agree completely!

  7. Whats up LoveDaRocker?
    Yeah its sort of sad, but we aint going no where. I think her fans are all hardcores, so she’s got everything gain. But seriously, Jive is joke of a label, lets face it. I want Intercope.

  8. I liked her voice and energy on Idol, and I’ve read posters opinions of her performance style and personality quirks since – but I didn’t really follow her progress. The album she put out was marketed to a different demographic than mine.

    I’m sorry it didn’t work for her with Jive, I hope another avenue is found for all that talent. Time and experience may certainly be some of the deciding factors.

  9. No doubt Allison has a lot talents, but it’s hard to say whether she’ll make it as a rocker. Too many unknowns. To begin with, to get rock credit, you have to write your own songs, or front a band who has good songwriters. and none of this is easy.

  10. No worries. She’ll be back – better than ever. I really feel this is just part of her growing process and she will have a better idea of who she is because of it. She is a rocker no matter how jive tried to push her. Good luck Alli. Can’t wait to see what she does next.

  11. Allison is too talented to go in to the night without being given another chance. Her issue was not her but her label and how the packaged her. They know it! They is why they are holding onto her. Don’t be surprised that they don’t put her and Orianthi together. The two are magic together. Orianthi really can’t sing and Allison needs someone like her to bounce off of. Mark my words its coming! Remember Orianthi really did not sell all that well either. Except for According to you which went platinum

  12. MJ, agree with your assessment about Allison totally! What a talent! I, too, think she will be a force to be reckoned with in the future. The timing and direction of her debut album wasnt right. Here’s praying she will be properly guided and hugely successful in the future.

  13. If I were to guess, Interscope records where AFI, Gn’R and Orianthi reside and 19 manages her as well.

    Interscope would be cool for Allison… but I wonder what they think of how Orianthi’s done. Orianthi had a ton of promo, one hit single, and mediocre sales, and still no name recognition in the US. I think Orianthi’s talented, but her voice and singing presence is very meh. I would LOVE if she and Allison started a band. How cool would that be?

    She isnt top 40, just as Paramore isn’t top 40.

    Paramore’s had some decent top 40 success though, much more than Allison. And now that Hayley Williams has that huge hit with B.o.B. on Top 40, I feel like that might help Paramore’s stuff get some more traction on pop radio in the future… hope so, I like them.

  14. She’s got the attitude, swagger and the mannerism that characterizes a rocker. She’ll offend you and laugh at you with that husky voice of hers. Based on some twits from last year, the Maddens like her, Slash said she had it. Who am I to tell Slash, Alli got no cred. All they got to do is hang with her and she’s got you. All this stuff about doing the underground first to be legit, thats ol’ school. It doesn’t apply in todays rock scene anymore – there are some lame rockers out there having success just playing the rocker – its connections that count. Thats why the late 80’s early 90s rock were the best ever. imo

  15. allison is such a talent, i was actually suprised that jive dropped her easily… i hope UMG picks her up..

    and #iHaveDoubtsWithSonyNow..

  16. Rub:
    09/08/2010 at 10:54 am
    She’s got the attitude, swagger and the mannerism that characterizes a rocker. She’ll offend you and laugh at you with that husky voice of hers. Based on some twits from last year, the Maddens like her, Slash said she had it. Who am I to tell Slash, Alli got no cred. All they got to do is hang with her and she’s got you. All this stuff about doing the underground first to be legit, thats ol’ school. It doesn’t apply in todays rock scene anymore – there are some lame rockers out there having success just playing the rocker – its connections that count.

    Really? give me one example where a rocker nowadays depends on other people’s materials.

  17. Remember Orianthi really did not sell all that well either. Except for According to you which went platinum

    Orianthi is much more popular outside the US.. so this is the only hitch in the plan. IDK her following that well, but if it is significant than it might not be a good pairing for Orianthi..

    On another note, did her single REALLY go Platinum? Seriously. That was the most annoying song ever.. and I thought it was a running joke that it didn’t sell nearly as much as it should have, meaning less than 1M.

  18. As a huge Allison fan this is sad news :( I am not sure if JIVE was ever really the right fit for her. They never seemed to know how to market her. As Mj said she was not meant for the teens. Now that 19 is working with Universal maybe the will try to help Allison get a deal with them. All I know is that I am a lifelong fan and will support Allison no matter what.

  19. On another note, did her single REALLY go Platinum? Seriously. That was the most annoying song ever.. and I thought it was a running joke that it didn’t sell nearly as much as it should have, meaning less than 1M.

    Yes it did I was shocked too. She is really only popular in Japan. Even in her own country (Australia) she only went to 88 on their album chart. Japan is the only country she went gold. No other country did she get even gold

  20. Orianthi seems more recognized by music industry and internationally… it like she’s always invited to every damn music show….

    ETA: she was actually on idol s9 3 times. same episode with david cook. idol gives back with mary j blige. then idol finale opening.

    i was actually disappointed with ‘according to you’ and to find out she can’t sing well.. her level of “kick-ass-cool-vibe dropped after that.. but that doesn’t really matter anymore cause she’d already caught the eyes of the music peeps even if she can’t sing..

  21. Orianthi went as high as #2 on Chr chart, only 1 million sales for that amount of radioplay is definitely abnormal. Songs that high usually get at least 2million sales.

  22. This is sad news in a way, but good for Allison in another, because Jive just never seemed like a good fit for her. I don’t know if she’ll get another major label deal, though — her sales numbers may frighten people off. And I wonder whether it might be better for her to sign with a smaller label that will really concentrate on promoting her and helping her find the right musical direction to go in. If she signs with another major label, she could just get lost in the crowd again.

    I have faith that, in the end, she’ll land n her feet and will put out some amazing music. But it might take a little while for this to happen.

  23. I think it’s best for Allison to part with Jive. I really have no confidence in Jive’s marketing people. I think they don’t have much power. UMG, Interscope even RCA are so much better label, IMO. But Allison is lucky she has 19M management. I think Simon’s team is one of the best out there.

  24. Orianthi seems more recognized by music industry and internationally… it like she’s always invited to every damn music show….

    I agree 100% and she is mad talented but she still failed to connect really with the masses. Pairing her with Allison is not losing faith in her but putting her where she does best. A lot of those shows only have her on to play guitar not sing.

    I don’t know to me its a no brainier pairing!

  25. Really? give me one example where a rocker nowadays depends on other people’s materials.

    I dont think I’ve ever said this, but anyway rock bands have materials full of co-writes. Interestingly enough, one of Allison’s best tracks is a co-write of hers, You Dont Know Me. So she can write and can play the guitar enough.

    I read an Orianthi hardcore on twitter say that if Allison sang on one of her tracks the material would be undefeated or something to that extent. In Cantiellos last Allison interview, she said they were talking about writing together. Its not always about “whats in it for me.” Rockers want to jam and make good music and have fun. Its pop divas the problem.

  26. I hope that Allison does very well because she is extremely talented. I watched only two episodes of S8, and the she is the only performer I remember from those episodes. I don’t remember Adam. I don’t remember Kris, but Allison made a huge impression. I distinctly remember thinking, “wow, she has the most talent of any of these performers.”

  27. As they say, when one door closes, another one opens. Best of luck to Allison. She is one of my favorite female contestants ever. I am beginning to wonder if Jive is the right fit for … anyone???

  28. It seems that the consensus is that Jive doesn’t know how to market Allison, but I’m still not clear about what exactly people’s idea of right way of marketing Allison is. So no teens, no idol demo, no Adam’s fanbase, then who? Paramore’s audiences? Here is an interesting quote about Paramore.

    According to Robertson in an interview with HitQuarters, when the label first held discussions with the band, Williams wanted the label to understand who she and her band was from the very start, “She wanted to make sure that we didn’t look at her as some straight to Top 40 pop princess. She wanted to make sure that she and her band got the chance to show what they can do as a rock band writing their own songs.

  29. Just for the record, I don’t think her album was as “terrible” as some posts here indicate.
    IMHO, her promoted singles were among the lesser songs of the album. Don’t know if different singles would have made a big difference though. It just wasn’t her time (yet).

  30. Its a sad day for sure, but I agree with others who say Allison will be back stronger than ever. I’d rather she leave Jive now, than struggle with them for years. I don’t think it was a good match.

    I wish her all the best and can’t wait to hear more music from her.

  31. AllenTX:
    09/08/2010 at 11:30 am
    According to Robertson in an interview with HitQuarters, when the label first held discussions with the band, Williams wanted the label to understand who she and her band was from the very start, “She wanted to make sure that we didn’t look at her as some straight to Top 40 pop princess. She wanted to make sure that she and her band got the chance to show what they can do as a rock band writing their own songs.

    Thats exactly what I like about Paramore and that is what is also going to work for Allison. She aint top 40 princess, and Jive wanted just that.
    Shes going to need some good music with thundering guitars and sic nasty vocals, thats the recipe. If David Immerman wants to ride with her, she would have a solid guitarist to start writing with. My favorite songs on the tour are Holiday and Heartbreaker. Those songs really play to Allison’s strong side of her arsenal. 19 knows what they need to do for the next album.

  32. I’m glad 19’s hanging onto Allison as a recording artist. It’d be good to see somebody develop her and see what comes out of that process.

  33. Allen Tx: You hit the nail on the head. She’s having serious problems connecting to audiences . jive is not at fault here- she had more promo than one could hope for. Fronting her own band and gigging around will help her to create a fan base for herself, hopefully with better songs on it. i’m sure she’ll have a music career, how big is anyones guess. A couple of years of performing to small audiences will surely help her improve her connectivity.

  34. Sorry, but her album was doomed to die a miserable death when she released the insipid, tweeny single, “Friday I’ll Be All Over U”. That song was pathetic, and a total sell out from the raspy rocker style we loved on Idol. DWTP was just fair at best, too.

    Scars was good, but the rest of the album…meh. She needs to get back to that gritty rocker style and lose the over-produced, over-glammed dreck.

  35. Count me in as another one who really liked Allison’s album. Sometimes things just don’t click for whatever reason IMO, there doesn’t always have to be a villain.

    That said, she always seems like she’s a bit better suited to be a harder rock, maybe even a bit punkish. I agree she could excel as the front woman of a band. She does write songs, so it would be cool to see her form a band with at least one other writer in it and see what they could do. I’m curious about what an Orianthi/Allison pairing could yield.

    She is a bit Fanny like to me in the sense that Fantasia, when she won Idol, had all this talent IMO and while obviously meant for R&B, it was unclear at first just where she would fit. It’s taken her (and the industry) a few years to figure out what to do with her. I think Allison is the same way. She needs a few years to marinate. :D

    If Orianthi went platinum is was very late into the song’s run, because the biggest joke on Pulse for the longest was how low her sales were for a supposed “hit”. LOL

  36. Just for the record, I don’t think her album was as “terrible” as some posts here indicate.

    Me neither. I love her album, I love her sound and style. But the market is all about status quo. Certain market only want certain style of songs and certain image to go with it. and different audiences have certain rigid expectation for their artists too. If you’re a teen girl, then there is pop princess opening on top40; if you want to be a rocker, you have to write your own songs and have your own rock band. That’s just the way it is. That’s why you can’t lay all the responsibilities on the label. If Allison wants to be a rocker, she can’t just expect to get signed by a major label, and ask them to find her the right rock songs and market her to the rock audiences. Given the time constraint of her debut album and her capabilities, there is no way any label can market her as a rocker.

  37. I’ve never been around for an idol getting dropped, Is it normal that 19 stays involved after? Makes me even happier that Adam praised Allison and her great talent in that Kidd Kraddick interview yesterday.

  38. Allison is a huge talent and she may have lucked out in my opinion. Jive does not value its artists. Archuleta is also a huge talent and they just barely squeak out the promotion for him that they should. Hope she can remain positive and patient. MJ is right…she is a force. She’ll get there…..

  39. Remember Orianthi really did not sell all that well either. Except for According to you which went platinum

    Last I saw Ori had total album sales around 180,000 in the US. Her album did go gold in Japan (37,000). After her moster radio hit ATY (Platnium sales in AUS & US) she has not seen anywhere near that success with other singles. She is now on ther third single a ballad “Courage” (released iTunes 8/31) off her re-released album Believe II and a MV is planned.

    ETA: I am not sure if Ori has the success to help Alli in anyway. Only name recognition.

  40. Right on negativo.
    I think Scars was recorded straight out, no effects and you can hear her throaty tone.

    Slezak posted an acoustic Holiday and its ok, but the best acoustic holiday is:
    This one check it out

  41. Thats exactly what I like about Paramore and that is what is also going to work for Allison.

    Well, if Allison wants to follow Paramore’s footsteps, she has to find a band and develop their talents of writing their own songs and mature as a rock band. Until she demonstrate that she and her band can do as good as Paramore does, you can’t blame the label not treating her as Paramore now.

  42. Allison and Orianthi actually both have the same problem- their material doesn’t fit the skill they have with their instruments ( Allison’s voice being hers).

    I would really like to see them try to make a go of writing together or seperately because neither one of them fit in that pop mode. I have said since day one Allison should try to emulate someone like Haley Williams or the girl from Flyleaf ( ironically, Orianthi has a new single with her) than Pink and Kelly. But I also agree with whoever said above that if she wants to be an authentic rocker, she better know how to write some music or at least have someone in her band that can.

    As far as Jive- people need to stop blaming them. At least for the part of no promotion. That is just plain bull. Allison had New Years Eve and American Idol appearances for promotion. The fact that she got absolutely no bump from her idol appearance should tell you the song was crap, just like Kris got no bump for TT. LLWD had no problem selling a million copies because it WAS A GOOD SONG. Good songs WILL sell. Hell- even FYE sold 300,000 copies and that got absolutely no radio play.

  43. I think Jive, 19R and 19M are to blame for Allison’s lack of success. I think that they all thought they had a younger Kelly Clarkson in Allison and wanted to create a Kelly clone. They even gave Allison Kelly’s writers! They failed miserably. This is not because Allison is not talented but because it is almost impossible to clone successful acts (unless you’re dealing with boybands). Idol has repeatedly failed to clone successful artists, the next Britney, the next Daughtry, the next Mraz, the next Gaga and this year the next Bieber. Total fail. It is ironic that their two most successful winners — Clarkson and Underwood — were originals at the time. If Allison’s next team wants Allison to be successful, they should market her as a unique new artist, not as the next Kelly Clarkson, Heart, Paramore etc.

  44. I still hear “According to You” on the radio quite a lot, but Orianthi’s 2nd single died really quickly and her album sales are not too impressive. She and Allison obviously like each other, but I don’t know if that necessarily translates into them automatically forming this kick-ass band. Who knows if Orianthi would even want to do that? She might want to remain a solo act. I think Allison should definitely try to keep her guitarist (David) if she does form a band — they work together really well.

  45. Do you guys realize how young many of the members of Paramore were when they formed their band? Hayley Williams was FOURTEEN. The drummer was TWELVE. Their parents had to drive them around to all their gigs. They got signed to Atlantic in 2005, but it took several years of gigging all over the country before they really broke through — this isn’t an overnight success story.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramore

  46. Allison was Biced.

    I don’t follow Idol so what does being Biced intail? pls

  47. I still dont get all this “lets blame Jive, lets blame 19” stuff. These people arent perfect, but c’mon. Allison got plenty of opportunities including major spots on AI and SYTYCD and she got huge names working on her album, not to mention 3 singles and a couple of videos. There were runner-ups who got worse than that. 19R hanging on to her IMO is shades of Tamyra Gray getting dropped by J. I really dont see a major label investing in her considering how poorly her sales are. I think her best bet is probably an indie label.

  48. sads but no surprise…I have to say I agree with those that say its not all Jive’s fault because they really did promote her…I think it was more a combination of factors which have already been discussed. However I do think Jive made huge mistakes by choosing FIBOU and Scars as singles…I mean you would think they wold choose the best songs off the album but imho those are two of the weaker tracks (Scars is ok but Friday is just sub-par)…her album has songs that are much better. Also, they did try to market her to the teen demographic and I agree that should not, is not nor ever will be her audience. Not with that voice of hers. Hopefully she will learn and grow from this experience and come back stronger. I also think she should take some time to “live a little”…I mean you cant really sing or write about things that you can’t relate to or have never experienced because ppl wont believe it. It wont be authentic.

  49. AllenTX, Paramore did not create those parameters, artist do what they signed in the dotted line. music Integrity has existed for ages. There’s no set formula. There are many ways to skin a cat. All you need is good music. If Radio plays your music and people like it, its good, but if radio doesn’t play it then people don’t know about it. I think 19 is going by trial and error. 19 could easily drop her after the tour. Allison is going to do well, no matter what. She has what 70k plus followers on twitter. Apocalyptica has what 20-30k followers? there’s no set formula.

  50. Thank you Rub for that Alli link, that was great!! I love Alli’s voice and style but did not care for her album:( I hope she does get signed again! Rock on Alli!!

  51. She is now on ther third single a ballad “Courage” (released iTunes 8/31) off her re-released album Believe II and a MV is planned.

    And that’s a collab with Flyleaf.

  52. They got signed to Atlantic in 2005, but it took several years of gigging all over the country before they really broke through — this isn’t an overnight success story.

    No, they’re not. But the irony is that had Jive really treated Allison as Paramore and let her take time to find a band and take a year to make an album and sells 10k copies the first run, the idol fans would have been the first to call bloody murder and accuse Jive ignoring Allison. Face it, most idol fans themselves are always eager to call idol a huge flop and predict their career is over even if their first single didn’t fly.

  53. Landmd:
    09/08/2010 at 12:19 pm
    Thank you Rub for that Alli link, that was great!! I love Alli’s voice and style but did not care for her album:( I hope she does get signed again! Rock on Alli!!

    wasn’t that raw?

    I always wanted Alli to tour the club circuit. She might be doing just that for the next album and create a local fan base in every city.

  54. Someone in the headlines thread brought over an article when Blake got dropped from his label and it said the same thing, that he was still with 19r. They dropped him a little later. They’d be stupid to let her go, imo. I always saw Allison as more of a Pink type, rough pop with attitude. I can’t see rock radio embracing her, but I could be wrong.

  55. 19E has completely mismanaged her. She needed to be signed to one of Sony’s Latin American outfits. She still can. Christ, she could be the biggest success story of AI8 if they made her a total package and aimed her at the Latin market. Sadly those idiots only care about “disposable” acts, rather than acts with long-term rewards.

  56. As far as Jive- people need to stop blaming them. At least for the part of no promotion. That is just plain bull. Allison had New Years Eve and American Idol appearances for promotion.

    I am not sure how this works, but is Jive the reason she got those appearance or 19? I thought Jive was in charge of getting her radio play which I feel like they never put much effort into.

    Thank you Rub for that Alli link, that was great!! I love Alli’s voice and style but did not care for her album:( I hope she does get signed again! Rock on Alli!!

    This is my favorite Allison performance from the tour if you want some great live stuff:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhPO2wRemXI

  57. Allison is immature as a person and a artist and she needs time to grow up. Just because you jump around the stage like a rock star and try to sound like a rock star, doesn’t make you a rock star. A lot of people want to lay all the blame on JIVE, but JIVE is not the one who has to go out there and give good performances. It’s up to Allison, and she blew every television performances she had. Shes talented, but she becomes a trainwreck when she get’s nervous. She’s barely coherent when interviewed and her performances very unremarkable. So looking at her sells, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that JIVE would cut her loose. They are not a charity and if you don’t make them a profit, they don’t need you. Her best option would be to join a band and give herself time to grow up and mature.

  58. I am really sad, and she is insanely talented. Hopefully that talent will be snatched up and she will get many more opportunities in the future. Fronting a rocker chick band would be A+ imo.

    IA Scars was a TERRIBLE choice. OTOH, I think Jive didn’t know what to do with her in general. They snatched her up almost immediately, and tbh I was actually surprised when she was signed so quickly. She is undeniably talented, but I couldn’t see the niche they’d market her to, and my fears were proven correct when they tried to market her in all sorts of confusing directions. It’s like, she has a very old-school, nuanced voice, but in the body of a crazy hyper teenager. It’s just not easy to market that – too many mixed signals, idk.

    I’m so glad Adam gave her the support, though, and put her on the tour! She really shined on it, and it gave her great experiences, plus amazing friendships over the summer!

  59. I just think Alli needs some time to develop, and hopefully being dropped from the label will give her some time to do that. Jive’s management of her was weird, but I guess typical for an idol?
    I remember at the beginning of the summer thinking she would fit in perfectly with the van warped tour and hoping she would be one of the artists/bands listed. A few of my friends toured that way, and I think a lot of their fans would love the show Allison puts on. I hope she does something like that next year because I think that would be the ideal market for her.

    eta: this road would not rocket shoot her to fame, but imo the gradual way is better, and she’s young enough that she has the time to build a career this way

  60. I don’t follow Idol so what does being Biced intail? pls

    Bo Bice, the popular runner up to Carrie Underwood in Season 4, was a rugged southern rocker whose first post-idol album with 19 was over-produced, pop-fluff dreck that didn’t sell for shit. His career still hasn’t really recovered from that disaster.

    Hence, getting Biced.

  61. She is a bit Fanny like to me in the sense that Fantasia, when she won Idol, had all this talent IMO and while obviously meant for R&B, it was unclear at first just where she would fit. It’s taken her (and the industry) a few years to figure out what to do with her. I think Allison is the same way. She needs a few years to marinate. :D

    I like this. Probably more true than we want to believe.

  62. Slezak posted an acoustic Holiday and its ok, but the best acoustic holiday is:
    This one check it out

    A great rendition but also a perfect example of her dilemma: if you listen to when she speaks and compare that to when she sings its almost like two different ppl lol. Also, the (nervous) energy that she has and puts into her performances (not this one but namely the ones in which she is singing with the live band) make her seem manic and overshadows her voice. Im sure with maturity and more experience she will modify this.

  63. Bo Bice, the popular runner up to Carrie Underwood in Season 4, was a rugged southern rocker whose first post-idol album with 19 was over-produced, pop-fluff dreck that didn’t sell for shit. His career still hasn’t really recovered from that disaster.

    Hence, getting Biced.

    So being Biced is putting out a crappy album that didnt’ sell? Just checking because alot of people complain about Idol getting screwed by there labels/managment on purpose and I wanted to make sure that wasn’t the implication here. Because I didn’t think that happened.

    But her album being meh I can understand

    lol Idol conspiracies is sooo confusing and hard to keep track of

    thanks for the reply negativo

  64. bridgette12, adamisthemanfan, mature is boring. All the bands I listen to all jump around. The problem with Jive is they were trying to market her to your demo, and guess what? It didn't work. She's not for everybody. Eddie Vedder was all over the place too in 1991. That was the best part.

    mquincy she fits Van’s Warped Tour like a glove. My friends would love her style there too.

  65. I’m glad 19’s hanging onto Allison as a recording artist.

    I think that they always do, the contract with 19R is for a long time. According to Wikipedia, Blake lewis would still be with 19 Recordings for example.

  66. Do you guys realize how young many of the members of Paramore were when they formed their band? Hayley Williams was FOURTEEN. The drummer was TWELVE. Their parents had to drive them around to all their gigs. They got signed to Atlantic in 2005, but it took several years of gigging all over the country before they really broke through — this isn’t an overnight success story.

    Girlygirl, this is so true for so many of the artists out there. Many of them work their tails off, just to make a dent in this industry. It is all a trail and error game, long days and nights, and good old fashioned hard work and determination.

  67. Allison is immature as a person and a artist and she needs time to grow up. Just because you jump around the stage like a rock star and try to sound like a rock star, doesn’t make you a rock star. A lot of people want to lay all the blame on JIVE, but JIVE is not the one who has to go out there and give good performances. It’s up to Allison, and she blew every television performances she had. Shes talented, but she becomes a trainwreck when she get’s nervous. She’s barely coherent when interviewed and her performances very unremarkable. So looking at her sells, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that JIVE would cut her loose. They are not a charity and if you don’t make them a profit, they don’t need you. Her best option would be to join a band and give herself time to grow up and mature.

    ^THIS.

    I’ve said from the beginning that for me (for you) her maturity level was a problem when it came to connecting to her music. I love her voice, but there’s a disconnect between her voice and her music and personality.

    I’m still looking forward to the time when her maturity and music catches up with her voice.

  68. Allison is immature as a person and a artist and she needs time to grow up. Just because you jump around the stage like a rock star and try to sound like a rock star, doesn’t make you a rock star. A lot of people want to lay all the blame on JIVE, but JIVE is not the one who has to go out there and give good performances. It’s up to Allison, and she blew every television performances she had. Shes talented, but she becomes a trainwreck when she get’s nervous. She’s barely coherent when interviewed and her performances very unremarkable. So looking at her sells, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that JIVE would cut her loose. They are not a charity and if you don’t make them a profit, they don’t need you. Her best option would be to join a band and give herself time to grow up and mature.

    Yep, I agree totally.
    She definitely wants to give herself the time to mature, and shouldn’t be signed for a while in order to explore herself who she is as an artist. At the moment, it seems the label is expected to give her an identity and if they get it wrong they are to blame. She is the one who needs to find it, and if she is a songwriter, she needs to have the time to grow and mature in her songwriting as well.

  69. Someone in the headlines thread brought over an article when Blake got dropped from his label and it said the same thing, that he was still with 19r. They dropped him a little later.

    Yes. But both Tamyra and Ruben continued to record with 19 after they were dropped from their labels. When Taylor, Kat and Kristy Lee were dropped by their labels, they were also released by 19R.

    So, there’s no formula here. Depending on whether the peeps at 19 still believe in Allison, she could continue to record albums with them.

  70. mature is boring.

    YMMV. It really depends on your definition of “mature”…if what is meant by ‘mature’ is someone who takes him/herself too seriously and can’t just jam and have fun once in a while then yes i would agree that is boring…but I think (I may be wrong) the type of maturity most ppl here are talking about are artistic/self-expressive maturity…the idea of getting ppl’s attention because you have something unique/intelligent to say/express as well as the ability to promote yourself and your music. prime example: Adam. I think we can all agree one thing he isnt is boring.
    I dont want to keep bashing on Allison but she does come off as someone immature for her age, which may not be necessarily true since her musical tastes seem developed (to me at least) and there are a lot of ppl who have difficulty with giving interviews or any form of public speaking but there are other means to communicate such as writing, etc. Im sure in a couple of years it will get easier for her.

  71. So being Biced is putting out a crappy album that didnt’ sell?

    Not necessarily. Kat McPhee, for example, put out a meh album that didn’t sell for shit, but she wasn’t Biced. It was still her style of music, just not a very good product. Being Biced means the studio imposes a pop-centric formula album upon an artist not of that mold to try and make them more commercial.

  72. Rub:
    09/08/2010 at 12:58 pm

    bridgette12, adamisthemanfan, mature is boring. All the bands I listen to all jump around.

    LOL Rub, Allison is definitely not boring is she? I think my all-time favorite Allison performance is Holiday, Columbus, Glam Nation. Energy, artist, song all synched to perfection…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrvzTvd3ayk

    I believe this was also the first appearance of the now famous ‘shirt’ for all you hardcores!

  73. Do you guys realize how young many of the members of Paramore were when they formed their band? Hayley Williams was FOURTEEN. The drummer was TWELVE. Their parents had to drive them around to all their gigs. They got signed to Atlantic in 2005, but it took several years of gigging all over the country before they really broke through — this isn’t an overnight success story.

    Girlygirl, this is so true for so many of the artists out there. Many of them work their tails off, just to make a dent in this industry. It is all a trail and error game, long days and nights, and good old fashioned hard work and determination.

    Such is the life of a rockstar. Name one true rock band/singer that got their start on a talent show and had overnight success. Alanis Morrisette kinda started off like Allison and after she dropped the pop queen act and honed her writing skills- well the rest is history. I just don’t buy Allison as a pop star, and I don’t think others do either- her voice is too raw for that.

    Nothing wrong with working long and hard on the road. I live in a town where two local bands have been on the Warped Tour. One just started and the other one is already getting international success after a few short years. Allison is younger than both bands. She has time on her side. And Paramore’s parents driving them to gigs is no different than Allison’s parents driving her to her gigs when she was younger. i know I saw one video where she was playing in a Costco type warehouse for local people in her area- that is paying dues too.

  74. Being Biced means the studio imposes a pop-centric formula album upon an artist not of that mold to try and make them more commercial

    ahhh gotcha

  75. It’s easy to point fingers here. But I think everyone involved worked hard to give Allison a good shot at success.

    Jive gave Allison the chance to record an album–most singers would love to have that chance and I’m sure Allison is grateful. Jive and Allison’s management did promote her. She had the Twilight: New Moon movie ad, appeared on several TV shows, and toured for the entire summer.

    Did Allison’s age play a factor? It’s hard for me to blame that. Jive signed Britney Spears when she was younger than Allison and she didn’t struggle. Then again, Jive and Britney’s team had a specific, well-designed plan for her. If we’re going to put the blame anywhere, it’s here–inadequate planning from all involved parties.

    Everyone must have a good plan. Entertainers need a great plan with strategies to follow if things don’t go as originally planned. Many Idols seem to struggle with this. If they don’t have some strong ideas on their own, it doesn’t look like 19 works to help them in that regard. Some singers/musicians can figure out ways to make things work. Some need more help.

    But to brush off Allison as immature is devaluing her raw talent, IMO. Does she need more focus, a stronger career plan? Absoulutely. But there are lots of singers, songwriters, and musicians that have immature styles, yet do well. I wouldn’t call Justin Bieber all that mature. The difference between him and Allison is that Justin has strong mentoring and a lot of confidence.

    There’s nothing wrong with being honest and giving an opinion, but I wish as Idol fans, we weren’t so quick to negatively label the Idols and brush them aside.

    Sometimes, things just don’t work. And it’s no one’s fault. Allison just needs to regroup and continue moving forward. I’m sure she’s capable of making good decisions. Let’s give her a chance to do that.

  76. Taylor Hicks was also Bo Biced. Everybody thought he was soul and blues, but his cd was full of over-produced pop crap. He also never recovered from that disaster.

    As far as Allison, I agree with everyone else. I think she is more rocker than pop, therefore a rock band suits her. Form a rock band and get out on the road. Show the labels what you got. It’s hard work, but if you want it bad enough, you do whatever it takes. Perhaps her being dropped is a blessing. The label didn’t get her. She is not a teen queen.

  77. It’s easy to point fingers here. But I think everyone involved worked hard to give Allison a good shot at success.

    Jive gave Allison the chance to record an album–most singers would love to have that chance and I’m sure Allison is grateful. Jive and Allison’s management did promote her. She had the Twilight: New Moon movie ad, appeared on several TV shows, and toured for the entire summer.

    Did Allison’s age play a factor? It’s hard for me to blame that. Jive signed Britney Spears when she was younger than Allison and she didn’t struggle. Then again, Jive and Britney’s team had a specific, well-designed plan for her. If we’re going to put the blame anywhere, it’s here–inadequate planning from all involved parties.

    Everyone must have a good plan. Entertainers need a great plan with strategies to follow if things don’t go as originally planned. Many Idols seem to struggle with this. If they don’t have some strong ideas on their own, it doesn’t look like 19 works to help them in that regard. Some singers/musicians can figure out ways to make things work. Some need more help.

    But to brush off Allison as immature is devaluing her raw talent, IMO. Does she need more focus, a stronger career plan? Absoulutely. But there are lots of singers, songwriters, and musicians that have immature styles, yet do well. I wouldn’t call Justin Bieber all that mature. The difference between him and Allison is that Justin has strong mentoring and a lot of confidence.

    There’s nothing wrong with being honest and giving an opinion, but I wish as Idol fans, we weren’t so quick to negatively label the Idols and brush them aside.

    Sometimes, things just don’t work. And it’s no one’s fault. Allison just needs to regroup and continue moving forward. I’m sure she’s capable of making good decisions. Let’s give her a chance to do that.

    Exactly. I think both Jive and Allison tried their best. They knew that they had to try pop/rock route and market her to the younger audience.

    I personally don’t think it was a wise decision to release her album right after Kris and Adam and her single at the same time as TOP 2. Radio can only handle so many Idols at a time, spring would be a better time for a release. I knew she was in trouble when FIBOU didn’t go anywhere. That is the most radio friendly song on her album, plain and simple.

    Bo Bice, the popular runner up to Carrie Underwood in Season 4, was a rugged southern rocker whose first post-idol album with 19 was over-produced, pop-fluff dreck that didn’t sell for shit. His career still hasn’t really recovered from that disaster.

    Hence, getting Biced.

    Well, this is American Idol we are talking about. Idols are expected to release commercial music that appeals to the masses. At least those signed by 19 and Sony (Now Universal). It’s not 19’s intention to search for niche artists that won’t sell music and get radio play.

  78. A good thing is that Allison should have a little nestegg to tide her over until she & 19 can figure things out (from album advance, AI tour & Glamnation tour). I hope she invested it wisely. It wouldn’t hurt her to get back with her vocal coach and work to clean up her vocals. She could also enroll in school or take acting classes until something is decided. You never know where or when the next opportunity will surface.

  79. My problem with believing in Allison as a rocker is that for me rock is raw, instinctive and free and it is the antithesis of idol. I understand why someone older who struggles to make a living out of music, would turn to idol. However, I can’t take seriously, as a rocker, someone of her age who has chosen from the start a direction that is well known to stifle artistic integrity.
    It’s fine if you want to be a pop star, but Allison isn’t pop. What is she?

  80. It’s not 19’s intention to search for niche artists that won’t sell music and get radio play.

    Well, if that’s the case, then maybe AI should get rid of the power voting and allow one vote per person. An older person, who does not listen to pop radio, can power vote just as good as a younger person, who only listens to pop radio.

    But, I don’t think anybody cares anymore, since I honestly believe this season will be the last. No one will watch without Simon Cowell and Paula Abdul. The magic is gone and cannot be replaced.

  81. I still believe that her image, performance style, and her personality
    played large role in her poor sales performance. you just have to look at Justin Beiber. I find him adorable even though he does not have the best voice. He’s got star quality. The cameras love him, he puts on a great show and he’s great at interviews. Say what you want but image does matter.

  82. As far as an Orianthi/Allison Collab. That would be stupid on Orianthi’s part. She’s a bigger star as a solo artist than Allison who is unproven and can’t connect with audiences. If orianthi wants to form a rock band she could get someone like Pink and sell millions.

    As far as complaints about Orianthi, she has done a respectable job as a new artist who came out of nowehere, the MJ platform is not in the same stratosphere as AI. She still has work to do and needs to step it up for her next CD but at the end of the day she’s a rising star who is in a position to break out as a major star.

  83. Actually, Bo Bice’s album didn’t sell that badly – I think it went gold – but it didn’t represent his musical tastes or talents, and so he didn’t make new fans. Although the other way to look at it is that his Southern Fried style was not going to make a killing on the market, and indeed it has not.

    I’m not sure why, but I always found Allison a little grating. Maybe her personality doesn’t appeal to everyone. That said, I doubt her career is over. She reminds me alot of Carly Smithson, and I agree that a band might be where she’ll shine.

  84. Well, this is American Idol we are talking about. Idols are expected to release commercial music that appeals to the masses.

    Idols are absolutely supposed to be successful artists who sell lots of albums. This is why it is is critical for those who are not tweeny-pop oriented to put out albums that are authentic to their style as an artist, or else the album will bomb and they’ll get dropped like Allison.

    Staying funamentally true is the only way artists have a chance to succeed commercially. Putting out an overproduced pile of formula dreck ain’t gonna fly for artists who not in that genre (which is a sad, sad genre indeed).

  85. So being Biced is putting out a crappy album that didnt’ sell? Just checking because alot of people complain about Idol getting screwed by there labels/managment on purpose and I wanted to make sure that wasn’t the implication here. Because I didn’t think that happened.

    Well, more specifically, I think it means “putting out a crappy album in a genre — usually pop — that isn’t anything like your own genre.” …. So in that way, I’m not sure I would exactly call Allison a victim of Bicing, specifically. Bo was a grownup who had a very clear genre of his own — southern, bluesy sort of country-fied rock with a side of jam band. And they didn’t just saddle him with a crappy album (which they used to do pretty much exclusively, to more or less everyone) but a crappy album that wasn’t even within hailing distance of *his* *actual* *established* genre.

    In Allison’s case, I’m inclined to give the label and her management more of a break because, at her age and with her very large but so far unfocused talent, I don’t think she actually *has* a genre. So they can’t be said to have marketed her against the grain of everything she’d done previously and everything that had previously won fans for her. They were trying to make up a genre and approach for a young kid who hasn’t formed one yet. And that’s a different problem.

  86. Interscope would be cool for Allison… but I wonder what they think of how Orianthi’s done. Orianthi had a ton of promo, one hit single, and mediocre sales, and still no name recognition in the US. I think Orianthi’s talented, but her voice and singing presence is very meh. I would LOVE if she and Allison started a band. How cool would that be?

    orianthi got pushed in to the teen pop route as well, so don’t count on Interscope about image. However, Orianthi has done decent for a new artist, the expectation’s were not the same as Allison.

  87. But to brush off Allison as immature is devaluing her raw talent, IMO. Does she need more focus, a stronger career plan? Absoulutely. But there are lots of singers, songwriters, and musicians that have immature styles, yet do well . . . Sometimes, things just don’t work. And it’s no one’s fault.

    ^^THIS. Idol fans have a tendency to be perennial 7-year olds who are stuck at that phase where every effect has to have a direct cause, where if something goes wrong or less than perfectly, someone must be to blame. It seems that nothing can ever happen because of the vagaries of the industry, the wrong timing for the right song with the right talent, or 25 different little things coming together to create a huge meh effect, or, you know, just bad luck. As others have said on this board, I think that if she keeps moving forward with her music, whether it be as a solo artist or as part of a band, she’ll get signed again because she truly is talented. It’s just a matter of getting the right audience to pay attention to her.

  88. Well, more specifically, I think it means “putting out a crappy album in a genre — usually pop — that isn’t anything like your own genre.” …. So in that way, I’m not sure I would exactly call Allison a victim of Bicing, specifically. Bo was a grownup who had a very clear genre of his own — southern, bluesy sort of country-fied rock with a side of jam band. And they didn’t just saddle him with a crappy album (which they used to do pretty much exclusively, to more or less everyone) but a crappy album that wasn’t even within hailing distance of *his* *actual* *established* genre.

    In Allison’s case, I’m inclined to give the label and her management more of a break because, at her age and with her very large but so far unfocused talent, I don’t think she actually *has* a genre. So they can’t be said to have marketed her against the grain of everything she’d done previously and everything that had previously won fans for her. They were trying to make up a genre and approach for a young kid who hasn’t formed one yet. And that’s a different problem.

    ITA. Cosign everything said here.

    Bo Bice was a guy who had spent 5 months building an image as a country rocker. After the season, Clive Davis and the suits at his label told him rudely he was not going to write anything and he should shut up and sing what he was given. And what he was given was like, the type of stuff a Disney pop boy would get. There was no country and very little rock in it. Bo was a grown man, it was stupid and completely against everything he had built. It would be like trying to make Crystal into Katy Perry.

    Allison was not really Biced IMO. Some type of age-appropriate rock with pop appeal was not really a huge departure, but it just that this particular version of that didn’t click for whatever reason. I think she may be more updated a Pat Benatar/harder Pink type than Kelly Clarkson or Avril Lavigne, which seems to be where they were going with this record. Who knows?

  89. I’m not sure why, but I always found Allison a little grating.

    I’ve always had the same problem with her. I think it’s because she has trouble enunciating so alot of time her music sounds like she’s screaming at you.

  90. A sexy image plays a big part for a pop star…Brittney, Gaga, Kesha, they not only sell music, they sell sex. Allison just does not have that vibe about her. Her vibe is rock. Didn’t she sing Janis on Idol, and as I recall, did it very well!

    Sony screws up again!

  91. I wish Allison the best. I think it was just too soon, she’s not ready for primetime. A few more years and she could make a big comeback.

  92. In Allison’s case, I’m inclined to give the label and her management more of a break because, at her age and with her very large but so far unfocused talent, I don’t think she actually *has* a genre. So they can’t be said to have marketed her against the grain of everything she’d done previously and everything that had previously won fans for her. They were trying to make up a genre and approach for a young kid who hasn’t formed one yet. And that’s a different problem.

    Thank you ! I think fans want to project a genre and a career path on her but like the majority of Idol contestants she was a singer first. Not many have a fully formed identity walking into auditions and at 16 years old, Allison didn’t. (Insert grumble here about lowering the age to 15.)

    If orianthi wants to form a rock band she could get someone like Pink and sell millions.

    I think Pink is just fine selling millions without needing Orianthi on guitar.

    Idols are absolutely supposed to be successful artists who sell lots of albums. This is why it is is critical for those who are not tweeny-pop oriented to put out albums that are authentic to their style as an artist, or else the album will bomb and they’ll get dropped like Allison.

    And there is also nothing that says she would have been successfull putting out a rock/punk album, if that’s what she truly is. It’s even a harder genre to crack, especially off Idol.

    Just back to the drawing board for Allison, but she’s got time on her side. She’s been learning a lot all summer. I think she’ll be okay in a few years.

  93. Rub:
    09/08/2010 at 12:58 pm
    bridgette12, adamisthemanfan, mature is boring. All the bands I listen to all jump around. The problem with Jive is they were trying to market her to your demo, and guess what? It didn’t work. She’s not for everybody. Eddie Vedder was all over the place too in 1991. That was the best part.

    Mature to some may be boring, but immature and manic only leads to bad interviews and forgettable performances.

  94. I think Pink is just fine selling millions without needing Orianthi on guitar.

    Maybe pink was not a great example but the point was to get someone more established who is a proven frontwoman. Why would Orianthi take a backseat to Allison when she’s doing better as a solo artist?, not to mention her marketability is off the charts as a solo artist/collaborator/celebrity guitarist/studio musician, there’s no guarantee that putting them together would yield major success. Allison’s image is still a problem.

  95. Well, the key is still good songs, no matter what genre. But Sony, also needs to realize that not everyone is pop and they need to find the best songs that fit that particular genre.

    So far, the only artists who got it right, as far as post-Idol cds are Daughtry, Carrie Underwood, Clay Aiken and perhaps Adam Lambert.

  96. Jive has signed two children younger than Allison. Jawan Harris is 12 and Jacob Latimore is 14. So, its not like Jive has no interest in signing young talent. Developing young talent is a whole different matter.

    ETA: Ciara is about to release a new album. I don’t understand that but it may just be an image thing.

  97. Maybe pink was not a great example but the point was to get someone more established who is a proven frontwoman. Why would Orianthi take a backseat to Allison when she’s doing better as a solo artist?, not to mention her marketability is off the charts as a solo artist/collaborator/celebrity guitarist/studio musician, there’s no guarantee that putting them together would yield major success. Allison’s image is still a problem.

    Well, there’s always the option of marketing them as a duo, like Heart was back in the day. That’s something we haven’t seen is decades, maybe it would work again?

  98. Well, there’s always the option of marketing them as a duo, like Heart was back in the day. That’s something we haven’t seen is decades, maybe it would work again?

    No, because Allison is not ready, maybe in 5-6 years. Even though Orianthi is miles ahead of Nancy Wilson as a guitarist, Allison is not in Anne Wilson’s league yet. Anne had it factor and was not only a great vocalist/performer but was a sex bomb in the 70s(Allison is cute, but doesn’t have the Meagan Fox drool factor like Ann did.) The guys in the band were also cool dudes and top notch musicians in their instruments not high school looking rejects.

  99. bridgette12:
    09/08/2010 at 2:39 pm
    Mature to some may be boring, but immature and manic only leads to bad interviews and forgettable performances.

    Even the most developed singers can have bad nights and run off at the mouth.

  100. LaRue:
    09/08/2010 at 3:29 pm
    Even the most developed singers can have bad nights and run off at the mouth.</blockquote

    Of course all artist have bad nights, but with Allison when it comes to interviews and television appearances, it's the norm. She needs some help and time to grow up. For example just look at the rest of the season 8 finalist with contracts, kris, Danny and Adam. You can see the improvement in them from when they were on Idol. I think all three of them made albums that they like and it has material that they can relate too. Anyone who has seen Adam perform a lot of his song reflect what he feels and the struggles he's gone through. Kris Allen wrote quite a few songs on his album and so those songs have some great meaning to him. Danny two singles reflect the pain and feelings of loss when his wife died. As others have stated, Allison's sound is too mature for the teens and some of her older fans just don't buy her rocker girl act.

  101. Allison’s voice is OK – sounds like too many other singers. Outside of her husky, rather limited, voice, never felt her as a real rocker. Agree with jpfan? – find her grating. The pony prancing back and forth annoying. Listened to her entire album – one or two songs OK, but the rest – meh. Doubt whether she has the looks or personality to make it big. But, all IMO, of course.

  102. JMHO, the whole Allison marketing effort was off track from the Idol’s Live Tour when they had her sing Baracuda. She also sang Baracuda on that very important Tonight Show on Conan O’Brien July 2009. Rather than have her sing something current, they had her singing a great, but very dated rock song from 1977. And, to make matters worse, it was a karaoke cover version of the song with the original Heart arrangement. Then they repeated the same mistake in her GNT set having her sing Pat Benatar’s “Heartbreaker” (1979).

    Why have a 17 year old sing covers of songs that are over 30 years old, in a genre that is out of style, and not at least update the arrangements?

    I think that Alli will get one more shot at a major label record. I hope that she takes her time and figures out who she is first. She is not Pink2, Ann or Nancy Wilson 2, or Pat Benetar 2. And I blame both Allison and 19M for framing her in this dated rocker chick box. Anyone who pays any attention to popular music knows that the rock music market has been shrinking for years and has never been kind to women.

    Why they just didn’t put out a pop album in the first place and have her cover contemporary pop music mystifies me. It is not like Allison has a great love for these old rock acts and a passion to do rock music. IMO that lack of passion is what create the lack of connection between Allison and these songs in concert.

  103. Slezak only said Allison is still signed with 19 Recordings (19R). That only means that her music is still licensed by them and not that she is still managed by them (19M). So, not only would Allison need a new label but she would also need new management. We will have to see if the is removed from the projects page for the 19E.

  104. Anyone who pays any attention to popular music knows that the rock music market has been shrinking for years and has never been kind to women.

    Why they just didn’t put out a pop album in the first place and have her cover contemporary pop music mystifies me.

    I’m not sure pop-rock music market is shrinking. Nickelback, Daughtry and Cook have had some decent success.

    The really successful female pop singers rely on sex and skin to a large extent to sell their music. I have seen nothing from Allison to indicate that she is prepared to go down that route. She rarely shows skin and despite being on tour with Adam, really has no overtly sexually aspects to her performances.

  105. I’m not sure pop-rock music market is shrinking. Nickelback, Daughtry and Cook have had some decent success.

    The really successful female pop singers rely on sex and skin to a large extent to sell their music. I have seen nothing from Allison to indicate that she is prepared to go down that route. She rarely shows skin and despite being on tour with Adam, really has no overtly sexually aspects to her performances.

    I agree, I think the market is there. It’s just a matter of the right songs and having an image people can buy into.

  106. Why they just didn’t put out a pop album in the first place and have her cover contemporary pop music mystifies me.

    I think I get your sarcasm. Very cute!! :)

    Listen, we all feel bad that Allison bombed because the label forced out a formula pop-tart album instead of the heavier rock sound she became so popular with on the show. I think she was just a bit too young and naive as an artist, so the studio took advantage of her pliability. She obviously would have done better with a harder edge instead of mindless teen pop, but hindsight is 20/20.

  107. Anyone who pays any attention to popular music knows that the rock music market has been shrinking for years and has never been kind to women.

    Paramore is a blend of emo-pop and anthemic rock and they seem to be doing great. Hayley Williams, the lead singer, does not use sex to sell music.

  108. Listen, we all feel bad that Allison bombed because the label forced out a formula pop-tart album instead of the heavier rock sound she became so popular with on the show. I think she was just a bit too young and naive as an artist, so the studio took advantage of her pliability. She obviously would have done better with a harder edge instead of mindless teen pop, but hindsight is 20/20.

    Who would take 17 years old rocker girl seriously? Rock radio doesn’t play Idols.

  109. Rock radio doesn’t play Idols.

    My rock station plays Daughtry, your statement is not correct.

  110. Who would take 17 years old rocker girl seriously? Rock radio doesn’t play Idols.

    Exactly which is why this is not specifically Jive’s fault. She got too much fame too soon and is clearly at an in between stage. There was no clear marketing direction that would lead to success pop or rock. At the end of the day she needed smash hit to succeed.

  111. The really successful female pop singers rely on sex and skin

    I’m not sure if I agree with this statement. Sure we can label Katy Perry as showing skin..but, for me, her video was more “tongue ‘n cheek” then overtly sexual. And sexy doesn’t mean taking off your clothes and flaunting those man made boobs. Sexy is more about an aura around a person, a passion for the music, an ability to make your body (no matter how clothed) become one with the music. Sexy comes from the eyes and mannerisms, that come hither stare..it isn’t about being unclothed.

    Allison just didn’t seem to be able to “connect” and bring people into her aura and she doesn’t have enough range or depth in her voice to make up for her inner shortcomings.

    And, I agree with what others have said. Allison just wasn’t ready for prime time, she hasn’t shown any growth during the last 18 months, and so never seems any wiser for traveling with an entertainer that really understands the importance of connecting with an audience. So sadly, Allison doesn’t seem to be a quick study and she doesn’t seem to “get it” all the time. And I think successful entertainers “get it”…whatever that “it” is.

  112. Allison has spoken.

    AllisonIraheta
    A shout out to all of my amazing fans!!! Thank you soo much for ur support!! Means alot!!

  113. I guess D Is For Dropped, after all. Just kidding… :-)

    Maybe I am in the majority of people who never connected with her, in terms of music, image, and personality, despite the fact that she has been under the spot light of AI for so long. Wish her good luck in the future though. Never undertood the hype about her.

  114. Who would take 17 years old rocker girl seriously? Rock radio doesn’t play Idols.

    Wait…you were being serious? :o

    Sorry, I totally misread where you were going with that…enjoy your opinion!

  115. Sure we can label Katy Perry as showing skin..but, for me, her video was more “tongue ‘n cheek” then overtly sexual.

    So, wearing ice cream sundaes on your boobs and appearing completely naked in a video are not sexual? OK then.

  116. Idol is a well loved show, thousands try out for the show, millions watch the show. I don’t think the people who come from idol are messed with or cheated in any way. It is the nature of the business. Survival of the fittest. People like Danny, Adam and Kris who had a plan of where they wanted to fit into the music industry, they are the ones who will be successful on a larger scale. We even see Matt Giraud, Jazz, and Michael Sarver, Country, with a plan and doing well on a smaller scale. They are making a living doing music, something they love. Allison just needs to decide what she wants, then try again, with purpose and a reason more than, I came in 4th on the biggest show in the world.(sounds like 16, wait, she was 16 when that happened). Take a few years Allison. I firmly believe, being from Idol does not affect truly good artists. Idol is an opportunity to get started in the business. Where that can/will go is up to the artist.

  117. Allison has spoken.

    AllisonIraheta
    A shout out to all of my amazing fans!!! Thank you soo much for ur support!! Means alot!!

    Yay! Its so good to hear from her… sounds like she’s doing okay.

  118. Q3:
    09/08/2010 at 3:58 pm
    JMHO, the whole Allison marketing effort was off track from the Idol’s Live Tour when they had her sing Baracuda. She also sang Baracuda on that very important Tonight Show on Conan O’Brien July 2009. Rather than have her sing something current, they had her singing a great, but very dated rock song from 1977.

    I can agree with that!
    I think 19 and Jive must’ve had long days at the conference table deciding on a genre. She was playing ‘old school rock on the idol’s tour with Janis and Heart, but finally releasing FIBOU in December targeting the tween crowd. And then she found herself trying to promote that with lefovers promotion from Adam and Kris. A great deal of the money went to Martin with 2 tracks! Jive may have won the genre battle with Barbara Whites at the heml, her A&R, but Alli lost in the midterm. The better track on the record is a tune written by Dave Basset and Dilana. Two true rockers highlighting the genre Allison should’ve been in. I understand though, coming off idol how difficult it was to try to sell her.

    Allison is going to be writing after the tour, she said that much. And she should be writing a bunch of songs she likes with her friends. Start a band with Immerman, finalize some songs and start touring the rock club scene. She’ll get those gigs with name recognition and connections she may already have. When she’s finally ready, seek a label to drop her own music to, under her terms. Thats how the bands do it, and thats the way she ought to go forward.

  119. Katy didn’t show anything more than what is seen on a California beach on an odd Wednesday and if seeing a girl in a string bikini is cause for heart palpatations and sweaty palms I’m amazed.

  120. Allison was too mature to be marketed to the tween set, yet maybe not quite mature enough to perform adult music. In a few years, that girl is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

    Exactly. I hope she is taking it ok, keeps her head up and keeps singing.

  121. So, wearing ice cream sundaes on your boobs and appearing completely naked in a video are not sexual? OK then.

    Or look at a Rihanna, Ke$sha, Britney, Christina A, Fergie, Beyonce video. I suspect that if Allison had kissed/made out with Orianthi during the SYTCD performance of DWTP, the song would have zoomed up the Hot 100 and her popularity would have soared.

  122. Why is the world would Perez tweet Adam that alli was dropped? Like Adam doesn’t already know? What a jerk

  123. Katy didn’t show anything more than what is seen on a California beach on an odd Wednesday and if seeing a girl in a string bikini is cause for heart palpatations and sweaty palms I’m amazed.

    But she clearly was selling sex in that video. She’s got cupcakes for boobs and she’s provocatively undressed for a large part of it. How is that not selling sex?

    Not to mention Katy Perry’s publicist was absolutely on overdrive at the beginning of the summer when she was “voted” hottest woman in Maxim magazine. As we all know, those “bestest evah” editions by magazines are often the work of publicist (and labels), so clearly there was a lot of effort expended by her people to market her “hotness” factor. My local DJs even commented about how she has been dressing on the red carpet, and talked about how she must have stockpiled a ton of kooky yet provocative outfits just for purpose of showing off her very toned body. Anyway, I think Katy is talented and different from Alli in that she writes her own songs (even if she sucks as a singer), but I can’t get behind the idea that she is not selling sex/skin, because all evidence truly points to the contrary (to me). Not saying I’m getting heart palpitations from it, but she’s not dressing like that so her fans pay attention to the lyrics.

  124. Weird how this thread turned into a discussion of Katy Perry’s ice cream boobs…. or was it cupcakes?

  125. I suspect that if Allison had kissed/made out with Orianthi during the SYTCD performance of DWTP, the song would have zoomed up the Hot 100 and her popularity would have soared.

    Which is why it’s tougher for acts like Allison and Orianthi to have major success. The pop world is not one that would appreciate them or driven by talent. Orianthi has a clear market in the rock world when she decides to tap it. Imo Allison not yet, when she gets a little older maybe.

  126. Perez probably tweeted Adam to rub it in. Remember when Perez was trashing Allison’s sales on Twitter and his column, Adam let him have it and said that Allison could sing circles around them or something like that.

  127. to me this is very frustrating, Alliion can sing circles around ppl like Ke$ha, Taylor Swift even Katy Perry. I (old person) and my daughter (youg person 18), we both love Allison’s album. But did I ever see/hear her on any promotion -No. If there were any, I did not notice. I still blame, well , whoever manages this/her. :(

  128. Katy didn’t show anything more than what is seen on a California beach on an odd Wednesday and if seeing a girl in a string bikini is cause for heart palpatations and sweaty palms I’m amazed.

    So would she have to be stark naked to be the cause of heart palpitations and sweaty palms? Because a string bikini is about as close as it gets. The point is that she could be fully clothed, but she’s mostly unclothed.

    and she doesn’t have enough range or depth in her voice to make up for her inner shortcomings

    If you know what her range is and can explain why that is inadequate, I would be interested. Didn’t she have the range to cover songs that other pop and rock singers did before her, when she was on AI? I thought she did.

  129. she hasn’t shown any growth during the last 18 months, and so never seems any wiser for traveling with an entertainer that really understands the importance of connecting with an audience. So sadly, Allison doesn’t seem to be a quick study and she doesn’t seem to “get it” all the time. And I think successful entertainers “get it”…whatever that “it”

    I don’t watch Allison’s tour videos but if the statement that she hasn’t shown any growth during the last 18 months is actually true, that seems to me a bigger problem than anything else said. Touring with Adam should have taught her a lot.

  130. I don’t agree that Alli didn’t improve on tour. If you watch the early performances compared to the later ones, I think she’s better

  131. I don’t agree that Alli didn’t improve on tour. If you watch the early performances compared to the later ones, I think she’s better

    I have,not much she’s still rough vocally and she still prances around like a maniac.

  132. I suspect that if Allison had kissed/made out with Orianthi during the SYTCD performance of DWTP, the song would have zoomed up the Hot 100 and her popularity would have soared.

    Which is why it’s tougher for acts like Allison and Orianthi to have major success. The pop world is not one that would appreciate them or driven by talent. Orianthi has a clear market in the rock world when she decides to tap it. Imo Allison not yet, when she gets a little older maybe.

    Well I am hopeful that people might get bored by this “trend” in Pop “music”- I certainly am. I hope Allison can hang in there long enough to when hopefully the music charts actually get back to being about good music -now wouldn’t that be shocking!!

  133. The really successful female pop singers rely on sex and skin to a large extent to sell their music. I have seen nothing from Allison to indicate that she is prepared to go down that route. She rarely shows skin and despite being on tour with Adam, really has no overtly sexually aspects to her performances.

    Well I am not saying she is trying for the sex kitten look but this is one of her favorite outfits to wear on tour

    http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/merrynpippin/glamnation%20lambert2010/cccopy1.jpg

    And Allison has made improvements on her singing/performing but she does tend to start losing her breath control on her louder songs and it starts to get kinda shouty. But she still puts on a decent show…its just watching via YT you can really see where she loses her control. This is just something she needs to work on like all performers.

  134. hopefully the music charts actually get back to being about good music

    well I think this is just a matter of your taste in music since these pop artists are selling their music so there is apparently ALOT of people who think it is good music *shrug*

  135. well I think this is just a matter of your taste in music since these pop artists are selling their music so there is apparently ALOT of people who think it is good music *shrug*

    I agree to a degree, but songs that don’t get to top 40 radio, have little chance of selling so at the end of day it’s controlled by those people. Doesn’t mean the songs are bad, but the public generally has not been exposed to it.

  136. And Allison has made improvements on her singing/performing but she does tend to start losing her breath control on her louder songs and it starts to get kinda shouty. But she still puts on a decent show…its just watching via YT you can really see where she loses her control. This is just something she needs to work on like all performers.

    Smeggs: I agree with you. I think Allison has made tremendous improvement in her performance skills, especially in relating to the audience, but the killer tour has evidently taken a toll on her voice. If you compare earlier versions of Heartbreaker to recent ones you can see and hear the difference. Allison has cut way down on the high notes on all her songs – and yes in some parts she has become shouty. But, she also has shown the ability to vary or improvise in some of the songs in some very creative ways, showing some excellent musical instinct.

    I believe you didn’t follow AI Season 8 Smeggs, so here is an example of Allison’s vocal quality when she is not “shouting.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF3I_8MvxLg

    I think Allison really needs someone to watch over her now. She needs to know that, imperfections or not, she has fans who will stick with her. She has wonderful talent, is a hard worker, loves what she’s doing, and deserves to be successful.

  137. she still prances around like a maniac.

    Mick Jagger’s been “prancing around like a maniac” for 40 years!

  138. Mick Jagger’s been “prancing around like a maniac” for 40 years!

    It suits him and people connect with it on him. Not with Allison.

  139. jrain
    I was just saying that just because you don’t like what Top 40 is playing doesn’t make it bad music or good music. Same with songs that can’t get radio play if someones life depended on it. Its just art and not everyone is going to like it or dislike it. Its just different tastes.

    BUT I do agree I wish the POP music scene would change stylistically :)

  140. smeggingnuts:
    09/08/2010 at 6:42 pm

    hopefully the music charts actually get back to being about good music

    well I think this is just a matter of your taste in music since these pop artists are selling their music so there is apparently ALOT of people who think it is good music *shrug*

    I was actually talking about the “sexualisation” of females that are on the Pop charts & the comments that this is what helps sell their music as against the music perse. [ Sorry I probably worded it poorly] What I meant to say is that when the charts reflect more about what the music is rather than what sexual gimmicks these artists can come up with [this is what I find boring]- this might help artists like Allison & Orianthi – who aren’t éxtremists’!!

  141. jordison
    I have seen her performances from Idol (hehe I liked them). I wasn’t trying to say Allison always shouts when she sings just that when she starts to loose her control that it can get a tad shouty because she is out of breath and trying to force the notes. I enjoyed seeing her on tour. I just think she could really benifiet from some serious vocal training so she can maximize that amazing intrument she has :) And to take care of it too. I don’t want her to lose it because of something that could be prevented is all.
    And I do think that having the extended tour has taken a toll on her and she is probably exhausted.

    I have nothing against her singing I listen to her performances from GNT when we get them :)

    haha generally I don’t care if every note is perfect or how someone moves on stage. If I enjoy myself then good job…haha people were just talking about her singing and thought I would dip my pinkie toe in

  142. judes:
    I was actually talking about the “sexualisation” of females that are on the Pop charts & the comments that this is what helps sell their music as against the music perse. [ Sorry I probably worded it poorly] What I meant to say is that when the charts reflect more about what the music is rather than what sexual gimmicks these artists can come up with [this is what I find boring]- this might help artists like Allison & Orianthi – who aren’t éxtremists’!!

    hmmm I see what you are saying. But on one had I feel that females in POP have always used that aspect. Look at Madonna even hehe Paula or Justin Timberlake even (works for men too). The POP artist persona is all about being sexy (not talking about super slutty). Its always been about being attractive (i.e. sexy) to others and creating a want to be like them…hence POPular Muisc. I don’t think that is going to change this is how Pop music has been like. Of course the degree to which this is taken has varied up and down over the decades but it will always be there. It sucks to be sure but I don’t see that changing. Of course this is all IMHO and YMMV.

  143. alli lurker:
    09/08/2010 at 7:03 pm

    she still prances around like a maniac.

    Mick Jagger’s been “prancing around like a maniac” for 40 years!

    Janis Joplin pranced around like a maniac also. She was a lousy interview. She was not pretty. She hardly wrote any of her own music. She shouted.

    Allison idolizes Janis Joplin.

    Now I know some will say that all of this is irrelevant, because it’s not consistent with what’s “current” today. But being an “old guy” I find this attitude myopic and, well, arrogant.

    Just keep in mind that what’s current today might very well be considered “irrelevant” in 10, 20, 30 years from now.

    But talent is never irrelevant.

  144. I just think she could really benifiet from some serious vocal training so she can maximize that amazing intrument she has :) And to take care of it too. I don’t want her to lose it because of something that could be prevented is all.
    And I do think that having the extended tour has taken a toll on her and she is probably exhausted.

    Smeggs, I totally agree.

  145. I’m not going to blame Jive. They had her do exactly the type of album she should be doing and they played to her strengths. The only thing they didn’t do was buy her a hit via payola.

    I also can’t really blame Allison. I think she’s incredibly talented and did her part. It just wasn’t meant to be. Sometimes despite the best of intentions and the best efforts of all, things don’t work out and that’s what I believe happened here.

    The AI audience skews older, she struggled with audience support during the show, and without a substantial teen fanbase she was left without an audience for her cd. I expect her to re-emerge in a few years as a force in the industry. She probably just needs time to grow up and grow into a more adult audience. I think rushing to sign with another label (if that is even in the cards) might be a mistake because what’s really going to be different, both about her and in the approach?

    Good luck Allison, you’ll be fine.

    On the subject of Jive, I will not be at all surprised if Jordin follows Allison out the door, sooner rather than later. Tough economic times probably means the cuts are not done yet.

  146. Janis Joplin pranced around like a maniac also. She was a lousy interview. She was not pretty. She hardly wrote any of her own music. She shouted.

    Allison idolizes Janis Joplin.

    Now I know some will say that all of this is irrelevant, because it’s not consistent with what’s “current” today. But being an “old guy” I find this attitude myopic and, well, arrogant.

    Just keep in mind that what’s current today might very well be considered “irrelevant” in 10, 20, 30 years from now.

    But talent is never irrelevant.

    I get what your saying but what works for one artist doesn’t necessarily work for another. A major crtisicm of Allison has been her stage performance and not connecting with people, diehard fans will disagree but it’s a barrier for a lot of people.

    If you want music with top notch talent today, that still exists but it’s not in the mainstream, and maybe Allison will go that route.

  147. Prancing around works for the right audience, the right demographic, and trying to do that for the mostly idol viewer top 40 lover won’t work.

    I love the manic stuff when Axl did it, when Cobain and Vedder did it, and when Hayley Williams does it. My parents hate that stuff. But the fierce stage prancer Zack De la Rocha is the real deal, and most of you guys would hate on him, but I get a high out of that kinda crap. And Allison reminds me so much of those artists. She would do great for the right crowd.

    Some people are asking for growth! For what? So she can sing like a bird and dance like a valet dancer? If she did that Id be the first to leave, but she wont, she’s keeping it real. Let her do the rock club circuit, Im in.

  148. jordison you are the man, you are the man. And so is alli lurker.
    Allison rocks hard that people get offended. Her voice is unique, I call it Halley’s Comet! The other day Linda Perry said all the females sound the same – where’s the grit? And people started sending Allison utubes and she finally responded and I’ll paraphrase “ok, she’s got the voice but she needs better material.” People started tweeting to work with her to have the material, lol.

    She’s got the pipes the attitude, she just needs to work on her music a little. I like her album, I really do, but thats just me.

  149. Lauren88:
    09/08/2010 at 8:14 pm

    My goodness what a rough day to be an Allison fan.

    Lauren:

    When the going gets tough (or rough?) the tough get going!

    This message is intended for Allison. Hope you get it.

  150. On the Katy Perry thing I think California Gurls is tame compared to Teenage Dream which basically is saying that a teenage girls dream is to have sex with her guy and she pretty much does that in this video. SHE is selling Sex. Literally! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98WtmW-lfeE

    On Allison I respect everyone’s opinion but this girl is mad talented IMHO. I think with the diverse opinions on here it shows how she wasn’t marketed properly few know how to take her. I focus on the voice. True she is unfocused sometimes and needs polish but when she hits there are few who can sing like her. IMHO. Adam only keeps really talented people around him. Allison wouldn’t be held in such high esteem if Adam didn’t believe she was the real deal. I agree with him 100%.

  151. Rihanna, Kesha, Katy, etc. do rely on sex to sell, but they’re more on the electro/dance side of pop. Pink and Kelly Clarkson, on the other hand, don’t really, imo, but they’re also extremely successful and seem more like who Allison and Orianthi were trying to emulate anyway (pop-rock direction).

  152. I love Pink, but not using sex to sell? In what lifetime. And Kelly sells ‘romance’ or heartbreak as well, in her songs/videos. I don’t reallly see the relation to Allison’s success for failure, but just to the point or selling someone as a ‘romantic’ (or sexual) figure, both Kelly and Pink have done that.

    Which is not to say that I think that Allison’s being dropped has anything necessarily to do with her.

    Like FECK Allison, tons of really great music isn’t popular, doesn’t sell well, or doesn’t sell well right away. This is true of all artists. How many paintings did Van Gogh sell again in his lifetime? (oh and psst, not including to his brother).

    And even with great promotion, which btw, Allison did get, doesn’t guarantee success, otherwise music companies would just do that, for all the right songs and it wouldn’t be the crapshoot it is.

    So meanwhile, I hope that Allison does well with her music overall so that she can make a living from it; that it makes her happy; and hopefully, stuff I enjoy and want to purchase from her. Because I think she has an interesting voice, and I would like to have music from her, I could enjoy.

  153. I’m sorry to hear this but I think Allison will be fine. As someone sort of said above, anyone with a voice like Allison’s will always sing and make a living doing it. I think she is one of the most gifted singers to come off Idol. For whatever reason, this wasn’t the path that clicked. I don’t follow Allison, so I’m not sure what those reason are. It’s usually never just one, though. I’m not a big fan of Jive, so I’ll leave some at their doorstep just for grins. ;)

    But seriously, I wish Allison well and I think she’ll be FINE. The good part of starting so young is there is more time to figure it all out and make your mark, and hopefully how you want to make it.

  154. And Kelly sells ‘romance’ or heartbreak as well, in her songs/videos.

    Kelly wasn’t overt with it but she was quite the little hottie during the Breakaway era. Sadly, I don’t know if she would have had as much success back then if she didn’t look like that at the time. She’s still pretty but not in a mainstream way.

  155. It’s a tough day for Allison fans.

    Yes, but it’s not over, just a new page. She will continue singing and get signed by someone. At some point it will come together for her.

  156. They need to market her in Latin America. She has little to no audience here in the US. Furthermore, if you heard her on Telemundo’s Quinceanera, she sings much better in Spanish. They need to hook her up with someone that knows the Latin scene, and who the insiders of the Latin scene knows. My God, she is the second coming of Selena, and they make her Britney. No common sense.

    She has the opportunity to be an all-around entertainer, a cross between Selena and Sarah Geronimo. 19E and Allison would make millions if they executed that strategy.

  157. Awe I heard about Allison that’s so sad I love her album though it was really good.Maybe in a few years she can try again.She’s still really young so has alot of time to grow even better.At least this is a really good learning experience for her.And at least she got to put out one good album and got alot of experience tour with Adam and being one of his opening acts.Allsion am sure well come back stronger then ever in a few years.I wish her the best.And sorry for all of the Allison fans.

  158. That would be so cool for her, stingray11214 hopefully someone well look into it for her.I want nothing but the best for her.She was my third favorite after my Kris and Adam.

  159. Sorry to hear about Allison and Jive parting ways.

    I hope that she is able to continue making music — she is a prodigious talent that could really make a difference in music, given time and space to develop.

    I wish her the best and will feel privileged to say I saw her on her first post-AI tour. She is a treat to listen to.

    I know you’re not reading this Allison but I offer this anyway — good luck to you and I look forward to hearing more from you in the future!

  160. Allison has a 2 octave 2 note range (that i know of) E3-G5
    E3 holiday (studio) i’ve hear her go lower probably 2-3 notes lower
    G6 still breathing (studio) Highest i’ve heard her but she never uses her head voice or falsetto so i’m guessing she can probably go a note or two high if she wanted to
    All in All E3-G6
    I think her full range with fry and head would mostly likely be around C3-B5 with is 2 octave and 6 notes pretty close to 3 octaves
    This is pretty nice for such a young Alto
    Allison will most likely expand her range in the next few years by 2-4 notes if she takes the correct vocal lessons but Allison is amazing even with her 2 octave 2 note range because of her tone and soulful feel. I see a wonderful future and was totally shocked by the fact that she did not get to release her powerhouse singles like “Trouble Is” and “No One Else”.

  161. Katy didn’t show anything more than what is seen on a California beach on an odd Wednesday and if seeing a girl in a string bikini is cause for heart palpatations and sweaty palms I’m amazed.

    I thought that was why girls wore string bikinis. lol

    Seriously. Is there some other reason? If you’re not selling sex in a video where you don’t have a lot of clothes on, I truly can’t imagine what you’re selling! Look how well removal of shirts works to win over viewers on SYTYCD — and that’s winning over *women,* for the most part, who seem to be somewhat less hardwired to respond wildly to every inch of additional skin on display!

  162. Being pop/rock star takes much more than simple singing ability…
    it requires personality, confidence, and above all, star quality.
    Remember Melinda Doolittle? She had a great voice but no star quality.

  163. Falfor:

    09/08/2010 at 12:55 pm
    She is a bit Fanny like to me in the sense that Fantasia, when she won Idol, had all this talent IMO and while obviously meant for R&B, it was unclear at first just where she would fit. It’s taken her (and the industry) a few years to figure out what to do with her. I think Allison is the same way. She needs a few years to marinate.

    I like this. Probably more true than we want to believe.

    That is a crock of doodoo! Allison is NOTHING like Fantasia in any shape, form, or fashion. And for one to say so is slanderous!

  164. No Allison is Not like Fantasia! I have never been a fan of Fantasia. I like Allison but count me as one who has never ‘connected’ with her, don’t know what it is but just something about her, maybe it is her performance style that puts me off. She is very talented, a few more years to mature a bit and she will be fine.

  165. As an Allison fan I have to admit that, for me (for you), she is simply not sexy.
    I am a fan, so I clearly don’t care, but the general pop-rock album-buying public does.
    With respect to Katy Perry, her image is ALL about sex. Her breakout “hit,” as far as I know, is the “kiss a girl” song. And her latest efforts as just as overt, including her interviews and outfits (latex?). And, I am not a fan.
    This, of course, does not mean that Allison can’t be sexy, or that she can’t find success in the music industry without playing the sex card.
    If I were her manager/management/friend I would suggest some or all of the following: learn to write music, learn to play the guitar,
    explore the Latin market, and explore acting.

  166. Being pop/rock star takes much more than simple singing ability…
    it requires personality, confidence, and above all, star quality.

    Here’s Allison opening her set last night in Houston. Not exactly wilting under the current circumstances. I think this performance of Holiday shows a lot about her personality, confidence, and character. I guess star quality is a matter of opinion. My opinion is yes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZVoqfzuKkU&feature=player_embedded

  167. Unfortunately, Allison has nothing that resonates with the people buying music right now. She got to open for Adam and it really didn’t move the ball in the sales department. Smart move by Jive, imo, but wasn’t this the label that was supposed to “nurture talent”.

  168. I think Allison’s music WILL resonate, once it is heard. Her CD is very enjoyable – and there are different songs that are liked by different people. Maybe her music doesn’t resonate on the popularity charts, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a good CD.

  169. I know a lot of people on this site love her but I never could board the Allison train.

  170. What possesses someone to post a negative comment about someone on a dead thread 2 days after the last comment came in?

    Allison is special to a lot of us, and we will not let this thread end on a negative note.

    Allison is only 18, has a world of talent, and is far from finished. Her loyal fans are sticking with her through thick and thin.

    Choo Choo to you.

  171. Allison is special to a lot of us, and we will not let this thread end on a negative note.

    Allison is only 18, has a world of talent, and is far from finished. Her loyal fans are sticking with her through thick and thin.

    Just now reading this, but well said jordison. I completely agree!

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