Crap! The Voice BEAT the 1st hour of The X Factor! People, you don’t know what you’re missing! The X Factor was definitely the better show. These are preliminary ratings. I’ll be updating with demos, etc all morning.

Fox led this second Wednesday in September care of the two-hour season-premiere of The X Factor, which scored a very respectable 6.7 rating/11 share in the overnights from 8-10 p.m. (peaking at a 7.5/12 at 9:30 p.m.). But compared to its year-ago series-opener (8.7/14 on Wednesday 9/21/11), this was down by 23 percent. And a one-hour edition of competing The Voice on NBC (7.3/13 from 8-9 p.m.) bested the first hour of The X Factor (6.1/10) by 20 percent. Given all the hoopla of Britney Spears and Demi Lovato joining the judges table, the initial sampling could of – and should of – been higher. Keep in mind, that the 8.7 in the overnights last year translated into 12.49 million viewers and a 4.4/12 among adults 18-49 (based on the Live Plus Same Day results).

At 9 p.m., The X Factor moved into the top spot, with a four percent advantage over America’s Got Talent on NBC (7.4/12 vs. 7.1/12, which was a season-high on the night for AGT), which concludes with a two-hour installment tonight. As a benchmark, here are the half-hour results for The X Factor:

The X Factor (Fox)
8:00 p.m.: 5.8/10 (#2)
8:30 p.m.: 6.4/10 (#2)
9:00 p.m.: 7.2/11 (#2)
9:30 p.m.: 7.5/12 (#1)

Via Marc Berman

Here’s some 18-49 numbers from Marc Berman

8:00 p.m.

ABC – The Middle (R)
Viewers: 3.71 million (#4), A18-49: 0.9/ 3 (#4)

CBS – Big Brother
Viewers: 6.40 million (#3), A18-49: 2.1/ 7 (#3)

NBC – The Voice
Viewers: 9.61 million (#1), A18-49: 2.9/10 (#1)

Fox – The X Factor (season premiere)
Viewers: 7.07 million (#2), A18-49: 2.6/ 9 (#2)

CW – Oh Sit!
Viewers: 1.01 million (#5), A18-49: 0.4/ 1 (#5)

———-

8:30 p.m.

ABC – Suburgatory (R)
Viewers: 3.01 million (#4), A18-49: 0.9/ 3 (#4)

CBS – Big Brother
Viewers: 5.84 million (#3), A18-49: 1.9/ 6 (#3)

NBC – The Voice
Viewers: 11.71 million (#1), A18-49: 3.7/11 (#1)

Fox – The X Factor (season premiere)
Viewers: 7.84 million (#2), A18-49: 2.9/ 9 (#2)

CW – Oh Sit!
Viewers: 853,000(#5), A18-49: 0.3/ 1 (#5)

———-

9:00 p.m.

ABC – Modern Family (R)
Viewers: 3.66 million (#4), A18-49: 1.3/ 4 (#3)

CBS – Criminal Minds (R)
Viewers: 5.28 million (#3), A18-49: 1.1/ 3 (#4)

NBC – America’s Got Talent
Viewers: 11.02 million (#1), A18-49: 3.0/ 9 (#2)

Fox – The X Factor
Viewers: 9.21 million (#2), A18-49: 3.7/11 (#1)

CW – Supernatural (R)
Viewers: 721,000 (#5), A18-49: 0.3/ 1 (#5)

———-

9:30 p.m.

ABC – Suburgatory (R)
Viewers: 2.75 million (#4), A18-49: 1.0/ 4 (#4)

CBS – Criminal Minds (R)
Viewers: 5.95 million (#3), A18-49: 1.13/ 3 (#3)

NBC – America’s Got Talent
Viewers: 11.00 million (#1), A18-49: 2.8/ 8 (#2)

Fox – The X Factor
Viewers: 9.76 million (#2), A18-49: 3.9/11 (#1)

CW – Supernatural (R)
Viewers: 673,000 (#5), A18-49: 0.3/ 1 (#5)

X Factor killed AGT in the demo.

From TV Line

For the night, both singing shows averaged a 3.3 demo rating. But in their shared hour at 8 o’clock, The Voice scored a 3.3 to X Factor‘s 2.7. And in total audience, NBC outdrew Fox 10.7 million viewers to 7.5 mil. That said, The Voice was down 6 and 17 percent from Night 2 of its three-part premiere week.

From TVByTheNumbers:

8:00PM
FOX The X Factor (8-10PM) 3.3 10 8.47
NBC The Voice 3.3 11 10.66
CBS Big Brother 2.0 6 6.12
ABC The Middle -R 0.9 3 3.71
CW Oh Sit! 0.4 1 0.93

8:30PM
ABC Suburgatory -R 0.9 3 3.01

9:00 PM
NBC America’s Got Talent 2.9 8 11.01
ABC Modern Family -R 1.3 4 3.66
CBS Criminal Minds -R 1.2 3 5.62
CW Supernatural -R 0.3 1 0.70

9:30PM
ABC Suburgatory -R 0.9 3 2.74

10:00PM NBC
Guys With Kids 2.2 6 6.28
CBS CSI -R 1.3 4 6.43
ABC Revenge -R 0.6 2 2.51
10:30PM NBC The New Normal -R 1.4 4 3.931
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  • sporkle

    LOL. poor simon. 

  • springboard2

    LOL. Poor Simon, nasty NBC.  Ah Ah

  • elliegrll

    I am so shocked.  Maybe the X Factor did better among 18-49 year olds.  Those numbers can be very different from the household numbers.  But even with that sliver of hope for the X Factor, this margin of victory for HH still looks huge.

    I guess people were just put off by last season, and didn’t want to give the show a chance, not even with Britney on the judging panel. The show will have to rely on word of mouth to help the ratings increase.

  • TheGreatXL

    :(

    Guess NBC got what they wanted out of it. Mark Burnett is somewhere cackling right now.

  • thirdtime

    Wow – that’s really surprising.  Simon must be devastated this morning.

  • s k

    LOL too funny. 

    I watched both shows and thought a few of the singers on the X factor were better than anything I’ve seen on three nights of the Voice…however, the editing on the xfactor is hysterical and so worth watching.

    The edit they gave that Kaci girl in the first hour was gold! 

  • http://twitter.com/toastyred Sara Traynor

    Wow, I am surprised too. I was sure people would be sick of a third night of the Voice!

  • http://twitter.com/raya4 raya

    That’s interesting.  I didn’t really have any idea how X-Factor would do long term, but I expected at least a bigger initial bump from the presence of Britney. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    What can i say? HA HA HA HA HA HA!

    Burrrrrrrrn, Simon!!!

  • thirdtime

    Maybe they got invested in it by the third night.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Gulp, Simon.

  • thirdtime

    And for the season premiere at least to see Britney on there for the first time – that’s what’s really surprising.  Not a good sign for X-Factor at all.

  • http://www.jstamers.com/ Jordan Seltzer

    Will be interesting to see numbers when they come out.

    Monday morning these numbers initially sounded great for The Voice and then ended up not being.

    All that matters is 18-49!

  • girlygirltoo

    Wow, I’m really surprised, since this wasn’t the premiere of The Voice. I thought more people would be interested in seeing how Demi and Britney did. Neither rating is really worth jumping up and down about, although I’m sure NBC will brag about this in their next set of ads for The Voice.

  • harvestmoon

    I’m shocked as well.  I thought, given the choice, people would rather check out the new version of XF rather than watch a third episode in a row of the Voice.  I can’t believe that NBC might actually have known what they were doing.

    The head-to-head was a one-time thing though, right?  The Voice goes back to just 2 episodes next week?  I wonder if this success might convince NBC to try it again.

  • SnowFairy444

    This is not surprising. The Voice is 10 times more entertaining than X-Factor.

    Demi Lovato has talent, however she only has a teen fanbase and adults are not interested in seeing her. Britney Spears has minimal talent and the people who like her have no taste in music.

    Perhaps they should have stuck with Paula Abdul, who as least is entertaining.

  • http://twitter.com/ladymctech ladymctech

    While Simon is probably hoping to garner the attention of a younger market with the addition of Demi and Britney as well as a little kiddie category (as if he didn’t learn last year with Rachel and Astro and the ability of little ones to take the pressure of a competition…), I think the truth is kids who may be fans of Demi and Brit may have pretty much abandoned the singing shows. My teenage son was more interested in seeing the comedian on AGT last night that in seeing Demi or Brit say yes or no to prospective singers. I also think that with 2 seasons of a non-Simon Idol under the belt, people have realized that they can live without him.

  • elliegrll

    I doubt that they will.  They’ve made their point, have something to brag about in ads, and might feel that The Voice will continue to have better ratings for the rest of the season.

  • http://twitter.com/Lutrell4 Ira

    When I settled in after work, I tried switching between shows,but in time, I found myself watching the Voice for longer intervals. Why? I am no longer amused by the X Factor’s tragic auditions, and accompanying judges ridicule. The Voice’s judges light hearted, adult banner, and contestant feedback I found more enjoyable, and at the end of the day, it really is about the contestants. Correction, legitimate contestants-not fodder for the B roll, or ads. The competent, eclectic mix showcased on the Voice were more compelling than any of the tear jerkers on Simon’s show.

    It would be nice if the Voice would borrow some A&R talent from Idol, and find a way to give their winning contestants some market share, and touring opportunities.

  • Guest

    Simon. Just come back to Idol…be the dick you used to be….and join Mariah and Adam. DONE!

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “And a one-hour edition of competing The Voice on NBC (7.3/13 from 8-9
    p.m.) bested the first hour of The X Factor (6.1/10) by 20 percent.”

    A pretty decisive win for The Voice in overall ratings, but what is most important (to advertisers) are the ratings in the key 18-49 demographic. I expect those to be higher for the X-Factor, or Simon may be toast! lol

  • Valentin432

    Not surprised.

    This isn’t about The Voice, X Factor went out on a bad note last year with diminished ratings and zero buzz post show.

    For all the buzz about Britney and Demi this year, last year had a bigger promo with the return of Simon and all the adds during the Superbowl and AI all for a relative small openning numbers.

    The Voice is doing worse than last year.
    We’ll see wheter the good buzz about last night’s show will have an effect next week.

  • http://twitter.com/tukicarreno Tuki

    Well I am sorry but..I actually think The Voice is a better quality show than the X Factor..
    The X factor is too manufactured and fabricated while The Voice seems more genuine and real. JMHO of course.
    Simon must be so MAD… Ha, ha.

  • nncw

    I ended up watching both shows at the same time which is really not a bad way to gauge the 2 shows! I prefer The Voice, I guess I am less reality tv and more a fan of musical entertainment. Judges on The Voice are much more articulate and knowledgeable than the X Factor. I like to make my own judgments about a singer, so I find it a bit irritating while a singer is performing to be looking at all the facial expressions of the judges and the audience on X Factor as they all seem exaggerated – like on a sit com or watching a cartoon show. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OSOOTOBRL4XGHQNICOXCCN5IXQ lisa

    I agree,HAHAHA.all that money they are paying these so-call judges I think it’s hillarious.VOICE IS MUCH BETTER 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    At the end, Simon even lost to AGT. I mean, Simon even lost to himself. LMAO;

  • SnowFairy444

    Ahhh, Simon should have stayed with Idol. Now both The Voice and American Idol are kicking your sorry ass.

    Don’t mess with success.

  • http://twitter.com/MikhailXO MichaelG (MikhailXO)

    MJ, I must respectfully disagree. I wanted to like the XF better (as I enjoy the UK version immensely) but found it to be the same as last season down to the tacky predictable shmalz. Whilst I won’t give up on Simon’s baby just yet….I thought the talent pool was pretty anemic (one would think they would have the sense to  present the more talented performers for the premiere. Not sure if this bodes well for coming weeks). The Voice seems to have more interesting exchanges between the judges/mentors and minus the overly-manufactured silly banter. The talent pool was just better on Voice last night, imo. I am still an XFUS fan. I even like LA Reid (seriously)…that’s how committed I am.  ;)
    Having written that…I know I’ll still be viewing every week til the end. LOL!

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Actually, the X-Factor just edged out AGT. From Marc Berman:

    At 9 p.m., The X Factor moved into the top spot, with a four percent
    advantage over America’s Got Talent on NBC (7.4/12 vs. 7.1/12, which was
    a season-high on the night for AGT), which concludes with a two-hour
    installment tonight.  As a benchmark, here are the half-hour results for
    The X Factor:

    The X Factor (Fox)
    8:00 p.m.: 5.8/10 (#2)
    8:30 p.m.: 6.4/10 (#2)
    9:00 p.m.: 7.2/11 (#2)
    9:30 p.m.: 7.5/12 (#1)

    Sorry, Simon Cowell – The Voice is a stronger option in the overnights.  Stay tuned for the demos.

     

  • OffLeash

    Sorry MJ. I know it’s your blog, but I’m gonna have to disagree. The Voice this season kicks major a$$. The talent is incredible, the judging panel perfect and the best, the judges give very thoughtful, helpful and respectful comments, there’s no fake and/or obnoxious bad auditions. Right now, that show is perfection to me. I’m worried about the battle rounds, but maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

  • jr8809

    I’m not surprised the talent on The Voice last night was way better than X Factor.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    Yep, i didn’t see it. But for a very small percentage.

  • Guest

    I’m surprised people really think Britney, Mariah, Minaj etc are going to be some big draw and bring in the big ratings. Sorry, but they are not the most amazing, popular, exciting “judges” many think they are.

  • http://twitter.com/doesmonaknow DoesMonaKnow

    Not really surprised… people watch three nights of Idol, why not The Voice? Things might turn around once The Voice inevitably fades after the blind auditions, like how Idol eventually outranked The Voice last spring. I think both shows will be losers in the end and look out for painful ratings when Idol returns for S12.

  • chillj

    I think the ratings are a little off, but I couldn’t sit through all of the X Factor; the Voice was very appealing after some time at X Factor.  I had trouble even sitting through the introduction – I am just sick of that self-promoting fluff and I will bet many impatient people left then.  I mean, you have to get to the actual show sometime, and I sadly remembered last season when I could tune in ten minutes late and miss nothing.  People are getting hip to the game.

    There is one other thing: the X Factor had absolutely nothing for country viewers and there are a lot of country fans.

  • chillj

    Yes.  I did not find the X Factor to be much about music, which is why I watch.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Yes, it was a very small difference, and if the X-Factor didn’t have that boost in the last half hour, it would have lost to AGT. I’m sure that it never even occurred to Simon that the X-Factor would come so close to losing to AGT. lol

  • jr8809

    I 100% agree and I too was switching between channels because for one the contestants on The Voice are just better. The diverse contestants on The Voice who can ACTUALLY sing compels me more than any story on x factor by ppl who really aren’t that good of singers. If the Voice actually cared about marketing and promoting it’s contestants, then it would be force because the contestants on there actually have the talent.

    PPL can say X Factor is a better show the Voice but talent wise it’s not.

  • mtthew

    maybe some of the positive buzz will translate into better ratings tonight and increase into next week.

  • mjsbigblog

    If history repeats itself, once the Blind Auditions are over, The Voice will begin falling. XFUSA ratings will increase if the word of mouth continues to be good.

  • Chicagolaw

    Wow, I am pretty shocked.

    Maybe things will change as the season progresses. The Voice loses me after the blind auditions.

  • mileyfan123

     I actually think the opposite for Mariah. I think people are underestimating her popularity. She is the third best selling female of all time, only behind Barbara Streisand and Madonna. She has also had a career that has spanned over 20 years. I’m 25, and people in my age range love Mariah. We grew up on her. She was a lot of our’s first album.

  • OffLeash

    What a slap in Simon’s face lol! But the truth is, The Voice is a far superior show. And if they manage to tweak the infamous battle rounds in a way that’ll make them exciting, I think even Idol will be toast next season.

    Of course, the current judges are crucial to the success of The Voice. When they switch judges, it might not be as great. 

  • http://twitter.com/ALIXAVIER AXG

    Anything that brings Simon’s huge ego down i am all for, but I was curious to check out X-factor.. 

  • mileyfan123

     The voice may have beat X Factor, but that is more about X Factor having a weak opening then the voice doing well. Their numbers aren’t that great, it isn’t some juggernaut like people are pretending. I think to think they will challenge idol and beat them next season is overly wishful thinking.

  • mmb

    I watched XF last night (well ok, i watched the yankees/red sox but then switched over to XF halfway through) and while I thought that Britney and Demi were really good additions, I just don’t enjoy the audition phase of the show. At all.  I feel the same way about Idol now.  On the other hand, I really enjoy the Voice auditions (my husband, who hates this stuff, was even entertained by the Voice).  Surprised that it beat XF debut, but its understandable.  Once the audition phase is over I completely tune out of the Voice..based on past years others do also.  So I would fully expect XF to be beating TV once the live shows start.  Of course, no one really knows how Brit and DEmi will do with live shows.  I think Demi will actually be just fine.  Britney?  Who knows.  Steven Tyler was a hoot during the edited audition phase and then a seat filler during the live shows.  Should be interesting

  • SnowFairy444

    Totally agree about Mariah. Mariah is loved worldwide by all age groups. Yes, she’s a diva, but she’s a diva who can sing her ass off.

  • HermeticallySealed

    That. Is. Hil-larious!

  • Guest

    That may be, but to think that any of these “judges” are the main draw and the reason for millions of viewers is overly optimistic. One “over paid superstar celebrity” is not going to be the answer to the ratings success of any of these shows.

  • elliegrll

    AI still does well with teenagers.

    I think that the issue isn’t just teens.  I think that this show’s ratings and The Voice’s are indicating that’s it’s hard to get new people to tune in to either show.  This could mean that it’s going to be hard for American Idol to attract new viewers too.

    As interesting as Britney and Demi are, or could be, and the same goes for Nicki Minaj, maybe people just don’t expect to see anything new from any of these shows, or aren’t that impelled to watch another singing competition.  XF year to year drop in HH is about the same as The Voice’s was on Monday.

  • mileyfan123

     But we’ve already seen that it was a draw for the voice and idol in season 10 when they brought in new judges. The show needs to be good to sustain those viewers, but judges definitely bring a new audience.

  • OffLeash

    “wishful thinking”? There’s no such thing from me. I go with whatever show entertains me most. I have no allegiance to any of them, and if the battle rounds suck, I won’t stick around. Purely a matter of instant gratification afaic lol.

  • girlygirltoo

    Aren’t The Voice’s numbers down from last season? So it’s not like the show is some ratings juggernaut. Idol still draws more viewers than either of the newcomers, which is a testament to….something. :)

    Anyway, I can’t think the advertisers are too happy with these numbers. I wonder if FOX is going to have to offer them a make good if things don’t improve as the season goes along. I think they had to do that last year when XF’s ratings didn’t live up to what the advertisers were promised.

  • elliegrll

    The X factor is too manufactured and fabricated while The Voice seems more genuine and real. JMHO of course.

    I think that this is why some people will enjoy one show more than the other.  Some people will like the pace of the XF, while others will enjoy that The Voice seems to take things more seriously.  

    I do think that the X Factor did a better job of presenting its manufactured elements than they did last year.  Last season, the editing and overall production style made it hard to watch the show.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_N7LBEC6JNLHZLT6RSZEHLLDUOM Amy

    I have to disagree. XFactor is a horrid show. It has everything I dislike about American Idol with none of the positives. The emphasis on bad auditions, the emphasis on the judges, dated music choices, etc.

    The Voice is just more entertaining across the board. It feels fresh and I like that they treat the auditioners with respect. 

  • http://twitter.com/raya4 raya

    Let’s just say that I don’t think is a celebration of The Voice’s numbers, which are still down, and unless they can turn it around this season this is likely the peak of where they will reach.  It’s more shock, on the part of some, mine included, that there wasn’t more curiosity factor surrounding the first episode of X-Factor.  But I’m sure Simon is fuming somewhere.

  • OffLeash

    Yep. The audience will split between The Voice, XF and Idol, depending on what kind of show they’re looking for. That’s why huge ratings are a thing of the past, Idol included. Only a small minority will watch both shows offered any given season. Simon’s ego will suffer, but it is what it is. When people are given options, you can’t expect everybody will flock to your show. Oh wait! Simon did!

  • chillj

    I actually think it is far more important for Mariah to be able to talk; I did not always like JLo, but in the end, she articulated well.

  • sdmama

    I stopped watch Voice, and wasn’t planning on watching X-Factor, until this Monday when I started to see promo here.   I did not realize it was premiering last night until 20 min left. 
     I am not surprised by the result: if you are already watching Voice, you will watch Voice, and might check out X-Factor, but it is hard to do. If you were not X-Factor watcher already, you won’t know when it is aired. No wonder why Simon was mad.  If Voice wasn’t on, Voice watcher might have tuned in, too.  I guess NBC didn’t want their viewer jumping the ship. Who can blame them.The question is, did X-Factor create enough good word of mouths to make people start tuning in? I could not tell from the 20 min segment. I was happy hearing Simon again, and liked other judges, too, but I didn’t see any contestant that got me interested in seeing what will happen to them next.  Was there in first half?  I am still amazed that AI people knew Phillip will eventually win so early on, and gave him the special edit.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_N7LBEC6JNLHZLT6RSZEHLLDUOM Amy

     Mariah isn’t going to be a huge draw. She may have sold lots of albums years ago, but it was for her voice not her personality. She is more like a Celine Dion than a Madonna. Madonna was a force in pop culture, while Celine Dion just sold tons of albums. Heck, Mariah has even had problems selling out concert tours, while Madonna is still one of the highest touring artists in the US.

  • chillj

    The contestants on The Voice also seem to be more able to go somewhere; I think it hurts X Factor that their contestants from last year pretty much disappeared.

  • dabney c

    I find it a bit irritating while a singer is performing to be looking at
    all the facial expressions of the judges and the audience on X Factor
    as they all seem exaggerated – like on a sit com or watching a cartoon
    show.

    I didn’t watch last night, but this is what turned me off last year. I especially hate that the auditions are in front of an audience. All those OTT expressions of disapproval and booing … it was like a Roman gladiator show. Bleh.

    Also, I agree with others who think the blind auditions are the highlight of The Voice. The battle rounds, imo, are ridiculous and boring, and I completely tuned out at that point last season. American Idol ftw! :-D

  • SullyD

    lol, poor Simon can’t catch a break. But honestly, he did everything he could do. Maybe America just doesn’t like X Factor’s format.
    Which is a shame, because the show was definitely entertaining last night.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    If you want drama and corny editing watch XF; you want straight up singing competition you watch TVoice.  I was quite surprised myself that TVoice beats XF, I was expecting the younger demographic to watch XF and at 8 pm they would still be conquering the TV channel.  However next week without AGT; XF will overtake TVoice in overall rating, I expect.

  • mmb

    last years xf contestants have wiped the floor with last years voice contestants…chris rene’s single did decently on pop radio (not a huge hit, but it got play and peaked in 30s i thin), marcus canty seems to be doing ok at urban radio, rachel crow is getting a tv show, astro turns up here and there..its really only the top 2 that seemed to disappear….the voice contestants didn’t impact radio, or much of anything else, at all…but its now two seasons of voice contestants not having much success post show, and the audience doesn’t care.  they love those spinning chairs and judges fighting

  • SnowFairy444

    If Mariah turns out to be trainwreck like Paula Abdul, that’s even better. That’s entertainment. That’s fun. That’s what makes people tune in every week.

  • elliegrll

    The total viewer numbers for the X Factor are bad.  They didn’t break the 10 million viewer mark the whole night.  
    http://www.tvmediainsights.com/forum/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=2328

    And the demo never reached a 4.0.

  • HermeticallySealed

     Wait, what?  As far as I have seen, no-one from the Voice has managed to do anything, unless you mean the judges?  And IIRC, Chris Rene managed to sell and charted decently with his first single, Young Homie. Did I miss something? 

  • chillj

    I knew those X Factor people were probably around somewhere, but I don’t think they are to most viewers who are not invested in the shows.  I would not know about Chris Rene et al if I did not read this blog.  I did know that the stars on Voice seem to have a bigger personal investment in their proteges; I don’t know exactly how I knew, but I knew.  And I like it, it is more humane.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Given all the hoopla of Britney Spears and Demi Lovato joining the judges table, the initial sampling could of – and should of – been higher.

    Cowell may just have run headlong into the reality that if the prior season doesn’t thrill viewers, it’s a challenge to dig out of the hole in the new season. Audiences don’t start fresh: we remember the manipulation and the uncomfortable moments from the previous season.

  • chillj

    Actually, no, I did.  I knew Rene had a single, but I wasn’t interested, so erased it from my brain.  If I am gonna get replies on this blog, I need to learn how to refresh on a Mac.  No refresh button?  

  • elliegrll

    What have the Voice’s contestants been doing?  The winner vanished just as quickly as Melanie did.  At least two X Factor contestants have released music, and are getting some airplay.  The Voice can’t claim that.

  • girlygirltoo

    Did XFactor’s ratings increase throughout last season? 

  • julesb2183

    I liked XFactor last night. Not really any compelling talent,  but it was a good show. I liked the chemistry between the judges – especially Demi and Britney. Still, it was a bad decision for Simon to jump from American Idol to work on his baby, the XFactor. 

  • elliegrll

    No, but they didn’t crash like the Voice’s did.  

  • CB40

    It’s very early on in the season. With the buzz of Brit and Demi doing stellar jobs on this premiere, and with X Factor undoubtedly in a position to gain momentum, I think when all is said and done X Factor will prevail.

  • julesb2183

    At least Britney knew that the term for someone not hitting the correct notes is “not on key” not “pitchy” LOL

  • chillj

    Frankly, I am proud of America.  X Factor is a vulgah, much like the Brit press, and maybe it just does not play as well in this country.  Good for us.

  • dabney c

    I am still amazed that AI people knew Phillip will eventually win so early on

    Why so amazed? Many, many Idol viewers knew it from his audition!

  • wingzdoc

    They’re not getting air play. At least not on any radio station I listen to. Both can’t really boast success after the show just yet …

  • CB40

    My problem with The Voice is that they don’t care and will never care about the contestants post-show. They even admit that they could care less about Javier and Jermaine now that they have been spit out of the TV show machine. It’s sad.

    And that’s why Idol still reigns supreme, just look at P2′s chart success with “Home” and you see that Idol is still the show that cares most about its contestants and does right by them after the show ends.

  • elliegrll

    Cowell may just have run headlong into the reality that if the prior season doesn’t thrill viewers, it’s a challenge to dig out of the hole in the new season. Audiences don’t start fresh: we remember the manipulation and the uncomfortable moments from the previous season.

    Yep.  It’s my prediction that all three shows will have to deal with this.  I still think that Nicki Minaj can bring new people to AI, but a lot of people are going to have to be swayed by word of mouth, because of the reputation that AI has built up over the last five or six years. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/mkitson Matthew Kitson

    Makes no sense. You think people would be The Voice-ed out. If The Voice gets so good ratings…yet hasn’t produced 1 star, not one

  • girlygirltoo

    None of the contestants from The Voice have had any real success once they came off the show. Javier’s and Dia’s albums pretty much tanked. He lost his record deal (I don’t know if she is still with Universal Republic). There is zero buzz about last year’s winner, Jermaine. I think the contestants who have had the most success are Vicci Martinez, who charted briefly on HAC & Pop with the single she released that featured Cee-Lo, and Gwen (can’t remember her last name), who has had some minor success on the country charts.

    The judges have had great success from being on The Voice — but that shouldn’t be the point of the show.

    I’m not a fan of Chris Rene, but I’d say that both he and Marcus Canty have had as much success as any of the contestants who have come off The Voice, although neither of those guys has exactly become a breakout star.

  • OffLeash

    Although what you said is true about the contestants post show success, I may be wrong but isn’t their success due to their labels and management’s level of involvement, not the show itself? Even Nigel said only the show matters to him, not the contestants’ fate after the show.

  • elliegrll

    Makes no sense. You think people would be The Voice-ed out. If The Voice gets so good ratings…yet hasn’t produced 1 star, not one

    What happenings after the show has never mattered to any show.  Most viewers don’t care, and it doesn’t have any impact on whether what they are viewing is entertaining them.  This is true for American Idol too.
    What does a guy who appeared on the previous season doing well away from the show have to do with whether or not viewers like what’s currently being played out on their screens?

  • Valentin432

    The half hour splits make sense, a large number of The Voice viewers went on to sample the X Factor afterwards, wheter they will stick with it or not, we’ll see next week.

  • SnowFairy444

    Correct. P2 is the only one having chart success. And, overall, American Idol contestants are having the most success in the entertainment field. American Idol has a huge tour, which in my opinion, helps the contestants get out there and get noticed.

    It’s still early for X-Factor and The Voice and a superstar could still emerge, but it hasn’t yet.

  • girlygirltoo

    So basically the 18-49 demo numbers were pretty bad for both shows, although The Voice easily outperformed XF in their shared hour and XF outperformed AGT. :)

  • chillj

    There are any number of people from these shows that I would like to succeed, although, honestly, not so many from XF.  But Idol seems to have the best track record and if there is no particular track record, then I like that The Voice people care enough to tour with contestants.  I did not think last season’s winner was going far, he was too old, but it also has not been very long since the last show.

  • chillj

    I was voiced out until I watched X Factor.  I got cured real quick.

  • windmills

    Looks like The Voice will also get demo bragging rights though not by a lot. The Voice’s average in the demo will be a 3.3 rating over 1 hour and XFactor’s will be a 3.275 rating over 2 hours (helped by the 2nd hour). I guess the media could call it a tie by rounding XF’s number up but its average is lower.

    I don’t have a horse in this race because I’m likely going to sit the fall singing shows out unless I hear a contestant who grabs me. But, I’m surprised XFactor didn’t outdraw The Voice in its premiere and that year to year hit XFactor took is pretty big. I figure XFactor will eventually get higher ratings than The Voice this fall but the real story is the way these shows are beating each other up (which will continue into the winter with Idol and another round of The Voice).

  • pj

    Didn’t watch X-Factor so can’t comment on the respective quality. I
    HATED X-Factor last year and have no use for Simon’s ego. I hate joke
    auditions, so if they are doing that (from comments) then I didn’t miss
    anything.

    It isn’t “the show” that is responsible for the success of its contestants. If they get signed, it’s up to their management and labels.  Both Blake and Adam took people on tour. I say give it time to see if a Voice contestant does well. Kelly Clarkson was lucky she was the first.

  • fantoo1

    Wow I’m shocked.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Huh? The X Factor contestants from last year at least have had some radio play on different formats. Melanie had a big commercial and a song to chart on the Dance charts. She has a debut single that is getting adds in two formats. Chris Rene had a single that got into the top 30 on a couple of formats, including the CHR chart. His EP is due out this October. Marcus has had a couple of songs played on his home format, including having a song included on a movie soundtrack that sold fairly well. Rachel Crow released a single, with an accompanying mv, and has an EP out. She currently has a role on a TV show on Nickelodeon and has had other small roles on a couple of shows.
    The X Factor is actively working with their contestants from last year and using various avenues to promote their individual talents.

    The Voice contestants from last year disappeared! Where are the top four from last year? Have they put out singles and EPs? Are they getting radio play on any format? Is their music being used in commercials or on movie soundtracks? Are they getting small roles in TV shows? Did all four of them even sign with a major label? Where is all the support from The Voice for its contestants?

  • http://twitter.com/georgiarealist Susan Burge

    The blind auditions are the best part of The Voice, while the audition rounds of X Factor are like the worst of Idol’s auditions. I watched X Factor and DVRed The Voice, but that’s mainly so I can skip through the annoying twitter girl bit. I suspect I’ll go to DVR for X Factor next week so I can skip all the dumb auditions and bad singers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Guilherme-Santos/100000846666929 Guilherme Santos

    For me, both shows can crash and burn together. They are both gimmick, focused way more on the celeb judges, desperate for ratings, overloading the tv with sing competitions, while not producing any star or established artist.

  • elliegrll

    I don’t know if that’s true, since AGT did so much better than the X Factor in total viewers, even though the XF lead by a lot in the demo.  

  • Valentin432

    The Voice ratings trending significantly down accross the three seasons shows again and again that producing recording stars is what made AI such an important show to being with.

    Acting like the difference of numbers between The voice and X Factor US (who hasn’t produced  anyone of notice) proves the contrary is foolish.

  • girlygirltoo

    They tried doing a tour for The Voice contestants after Season 1. It drew really poorly. Not sure what the deal is with XF in terms of not having the contestants tour.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DY5236XYY2SBL7EJNTK5ROIGMA Madred

    People I spoke with honestly didn’t know the X-Factor had started. Most people watched the Olympics and knew the air dates. The Fall television season doesn’t really start heavily for 2 weeks and many people may not even know Fox has started up. In fact, outside of the X-Factor FOX is only airing a new episode of Glee this week. 

    The Voice has the chair gimmick and always starts to fall during the Battle Rounds. There was also the rumor Xtina was performing her new single for the first time on the third episode of the season, so a number of people were tuning in just to see that, then switching over to the X-Factor. I would imagine once the X-Factor skips over to the live shows, they will have more viewers. Most people could care less about the auditions of these shows. 

  • OffLeash

    Me too. I was sure people would watch the premiere of XF because of the new judges. I expected XF to lose some of its audience because of The Voice on the same night, but I never in a million years expected The Voice would actually beat XF’s premiere! Wow!

  • fantoo1

    The Voice isn’t that great of a show and their ratings haven’t been great this season either.

  • http://www.twitter.com/sarahruth3 Sarah

    I lost interest in The Voice even before the end of Season 1, didn’t watch a single episode last season, and don’t plan to this season either. I don’t find the “banter” or “judging” on that show any better than any of the other shows. And the talent being “better” is a toss up – both shows have had talented contestants, so I’m not going to judge based on that.

    I also did not watch XFUS Season 1 in its’ entirety, and did not get to watch live last night, but I did record it. Figured I’d give it another chance with the new judges and the buzz that they are actually not train wrecks.

    After watching a couple of the clips of the “buzzworthy” auditions here this morning, I’m actually interested enough to watch the full thing on my DVR tonight. Which is more than I can say after watching a couple similar clips of the first two eps of The Voice.

    What’s gonna piss me off is when the market over saturation of talent shows causes AI’s numbers to continue to dip next season. That’s my only true allegiance.

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    Wow…Those numbers are real poor for the X-Factor. I think The Voice appeals to middle America more than X-Factor. The network television audience are not only less, but more conservative these days. The Voice reminds folks more of Idol in having contestants with “substance”, and X-Factor may still be too flashy for some. The younger audience that X-Factor targets may not be watching much TV, or mainly watch cable channels like HBO. The 18-30 folks maybe watching TV from their computers. I could be very wrong, but I’m just thinking why the ratings for X-Factor were so low. 

    Plus, a lot of posters here were saying how much they like The Voice talent better…

    The Voice auditions I love much more than Idol and X-Factor, but its format is awful. I rather watch X-Factor once they start bootcamp and live shows.

  • Valentin432

    The overall number of viewers for AGT and The Voice are roughly the same but the demo numbers went significantly down so the audience changed during that half hour.

    At the same time the demo ratings for X Factor peaked significantly between the 8:30 and 9 hour split, my guess is that a significant number of those 18 to 49 viewers went from The Voice to X Factor while an older audience stayed to watch AGT.

  • chillj

    You know that, but does middle America?  I do know of Melanie’s commercial but it was pretty awful.  Many people who watch these shows do not actively seek out the contestants, but if something really good happens, they seem to know.

  • http://twitter.com/tukicarreno Tuki

    Totally agree with you.

  • http://www.jstamers.com/ Jordan Seltzer

    I loved the show last night.

    The Voice is the “new” thing for everyone.

    The one worry everyone on here should have is that if Britney cant bring the audience, Mariah has zero chance. And Nicki may be looking to make a bunch of money with Idol, but lets be honest her fans are not interested in seeing a bunch of WGWG.

  • SnowFairy444

    Overall, I think American Idol is more popular than The Voice. There’s just something about American Idol that draws people to it. I think it could be the achieving the American dream, or perhaps patriotism.

  • girlygirltoo

    These people you spoke with must not watch FOX then, because adds for XF have been running quite frequently for months.  :)

    Here in L.A., there are several HUGE billboards touting the show’s return.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Just because an artist isn’t played on your personal local radio stations, doesn’t mean they aren’t getting airplay in other parts of the country or in formats that you don’t listen to.

    Just because you haven’t heard a song, doesn’t mean it isn’t getting airplay. That’s why we look at charts that measure airplay from all over the US, and from all available formats.

  • http://twitter.com/eric_ascher Eric Ascher

    mj, I totally take back what I said about you hating x factor. This post proves I was wrong. And I 100% agree with you that X Factor was better than the voice last night.

  • Valentin432

    Reading the comments here, I really wonder about the influence the title of a topic can have over the substance.

    The Voice numbers were 3.3 for 10.66M viewers that’s significantly down from Tuesday’s night 4.0 and 11.42 and that’s way lower than 6.0 and 16M people they got for the same episode the last season.

    If that’s a win, it’s a bittersweet one.

  • fantoo1

    I actually think it will increase tonight since it’s not going against the Voice. It probably would have been higher if it wasn’t competing against The Voice or AGT.

  • chillj

    The show that wants to survive the three way competition apparently needs to invest more in the success of its talent than its judges.  

  • Goodie2

    wow! I actually stopped watching the voice. I thought this was a mean move. Simon must be furious 7,000,000 not very good

  • http://twitter.com/eric_ascher Eric Ascher

    It’s really interesting, because everywhere but in America, X Factor has totally taken over where Idol left off. Look at the UK and Australia for example. One Direction very well may become the most successful reality act of all time (although I don’t care for them very much). And yet here, Idol still hangs on, and X Factor is beaten by a show that internationally has produced nobody (as far as I know). Very shocking.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Does “middle America” know of anyting from The Voice contestants last year? That was your claim, that The Voice was doing a better job with its contestants, and it is not.

    Why is “middle America” so important? How about the rest of the US?

  • elliegrll

    The Voice ratings trending significantly down accross the three seasons shows again and again that producing recording stars is what made AI such an important show to being with.

    How do you explain the Voice’s ratings crashing during the first season right when the Battle Rounds started?  Are you saying that that was about the show not producing a star, because if it is, how do we explain the fact that in its first season, and airing during the same time of year as the Voice’s first season, American Idol’s ratings exploded.

    Let’s look at the facts about The Voice.  People tuned in in large numbers after the Super Bowl.  The show had higher post Super Bowl numbers than Glee received, and any other show over the last few years.  During the audition episodes the ratings stabilized around 14 million, but it wasn’t until the Battle Rounds, where once again, the ratings started to crash.  

    How can that be blamed on the show’s inability to produce stars?  Why did people tune in in large numbers for the post Super Bowl show and even the show that was aired on the following Monday, as well as stick around for the subsequent audition episodes, before they let The  Voice’s lack of stars make them change the channel?

  • gferna

    Well, well, well “Mr. Cowell, what else do you have to say”…  This singing contests are in free fall, nobody cares anymore.  Too much competition from hundreds of channels, internet, VOD, news, sports… Britney and Demi were a good bet, I must admit…  But, geez, those ratings for X-factor were very dissaponiting, to say the least. 

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    Really? Don’t we on this blog have mentioned before how promotion for The Voice contestants suck, while people like Marcus Canty and Chris Rene has had actual promotion? Maybe not plenty, but Astro appearing on a couple TV shows sure beats the record label that treats Javiar as an afterthought. I mean, their promotion on Melanie Amaro sucks too, but at least their reason for hiding her was to transform into a pop star, even if that was a bust. There really is no reason Jermaine, winner from last season of The Voice have disappeared. 

  • Goodie2

    well I obviously having the 2 shows compete against each other ended up cannibalizing each other but the voice was trying to kill X Factor before it got off the ground. I think also all the Britney promos might have lessened the Brit curiosity. You had already seen her best moments. I also don’t agree with the way they edited the piece on her former co singer. If you read it online, you will be very angry

  • Guest

    x factor AND the voice both get under 10M viewers in their opening weeks…AND they are still fresh shows only a year old. I would LOVE for ANYONE to try and tell me that after 11 seasons, Idol is not the best show of the bunch.

  • chillj

    I should have said “average American,” not “middle America,” which seems to have become oddly political.

  • elliegrll

    Both shows are down more than 20% in comparison to last year, and both can use the excuse of starting two weeks before the official start of the fall television season.

    I’m curious about the XF live shows.  The show won’t be able to depend on editing, so Britney Spears might not look as good as she did last night, and the focus will be on the contestants, so we’ll have to see better people than we did during the first show.

  • jcabby

    I can’t believe it. The Voice is a meh show. X-Factor is so much better. Maybe the ratings will increase tonight.

  • pj

    Yeah, I don’t think the lack of stars matters when watching a singing competition.  We all know that “fans” lose interest after the show and that can only get you so far.  The saturation is what I meant when I said Kelly Clarkson was lucky she was the first.  I’m not saying that these contestants can’t make it.  It’s just a lot harder.  I love Kelly even though I didn’t watch her season.  Not a slam on her.  Just an observation.

  • Goodie2

    maybe at some point Simon and Britney should turn their chairs around to look at the audience every now and then

  • emlz

    I’m really surprised, too, but I will have to respectfully disagree about XF being worse than The Voice during auditions. I tried to watch XF because I’m a big fan of Demi, but I can’t stand seeing bad acts solely put there for entertainment purposes. The Voice has less talent, but I’m perfectly okay with that as long as I don’t have to sit through horrible AGT-type acts. Like Idol, I’ll have to wait until after auditions to watch.

  • Goodie2

    it was also interesting in that beginning montage that Melanie or anybody from season 1 was not mentioned…Was that simon admitting that X Factor 1 didn’t produce the 5,000,000 dollar star. the UK stars they showed ..2 out of the 3 didnt even win

  • harvestmoon

    These people you spoke with must not watch FOX then, because adds for XF have been running quite frequently for months.  :)Here in L.A., there are several HUGE billboards touting the show’s return.

    In addition, X-Factor was advertised heavily all day Sunday during FOX’s NFL games (the first of the new season), and I know my local radio stations have been promoting the show endlessly.

  • SnowFairy444

    The Voice has a gimmick which makes people want to watch. It’s the spinning chairs and the fact that the contestants are being judged, not by their looks, but by their singing abilities…that’s the draw.

    As far as The Voice’s lack of stars, after the show ends, it’s up to the contestant to build his career and that means hard work and making the right decisions. Unfortunately, many of the contestants think that by appearing on these shows, they get a free ride and it simply is not true. The goal is for long-term success, not short-term.

  • Valentin432

    The Voice has trended down significantly every since it premiered, the Superbowl telecast was a huge boost because it was after the superbowl that’s all. Doing better than the Glee telecast which had disapointing numbers isn’t much of a performance.

    I’ve always argued that the show quality, competition, etc. are also in the number it doesn’t mean that post show success for the contestant doesn’t count.
    The history here is always the same, it’s as much about the publicity those kind of successfull contestants generate as it is about the audience putting their trust into the show that they’re really watching a meaningfull carreer start.

    There’s really not much else to say, if you still want to argue about that when the trajectory for Idol was first 6 years boom with tons of post show success while The Voice is going down from season 1 to now.

  • chillj

    The more eclectic the contestants, the more their careers will (and should) differ.  Idol should do better because of the compacted age demo of its contestants.  Jermaine has not had time to move; it has only been a few months.  I haven’t seen Astro or most of XF contestants since early in the year; out of sight, out of mind, but they are young yet.  Maybe there were just too many of them, or they were buried by the Idol season.  The Idol contestants were excellent.

  • wingzdoc

    I haven’t read through everything, so this may have already been discussed, but Simon’s ranting became very very annoying. I am sure many tuned out in spite. No one on The Voice made a fuss about anything UNTIL Cowell wouldn’t shut up. Instead of whining about competitive networks, let the show’s speak for themselves.

    That said, I know MANY who tune out of the X Factor because it has Simon’s ego written all over it. The Voice isn’t perfect but the talent is great, the coaches are fun and the focus is on talent. The X Factor is so overly manufactured, produced and egotistical. Back when Idol first started, train wreck auditions were fun. Now they are just boring and overdone. People want to see talent.

    As for who is getting more airplay, you can give me numbers, but really neither show has produced real success. Sure Chris Rene and Astro had something going, but it’s very little and people who don’t watch the show have no idea who they are. Same with The Voice. It’s not like people know some Idol alums without having seen their seasons. Frankly, neither can boast success and they have to rely on production. The Voice is well produced. The X Factor is over produced. 

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    What, The Voice judges just bringing their proteges on tour with them? The management and record label should be doing their job in promoting these contestants, which they have been miserable in doing so for music artists off of The Voice. But record labels and management for X-Factor contestants have actual made an effort in giving them further promo. And I think it applies to The Voice, X-Factor, AND Idol, that for ones that may not hit instant success, you would only find out their achievements on Idol blogs.

  • scorpiokat

    I watched the Voice the first two nights and decided to watch X-Factor on the third night and I am glad I did.  I enjoyed it and will continue to watch.  I usually DVR one and watch the other live.  As the season goes on, I will probably determine which show I am more invested in.  It is disappointing that the talented artists from The Voice do not do well after the show; their promotion sucks.  I see more artists from both the British version (One Direction, Cher Lloyd) and the US version (Chris Rene, Marcus Canty, Rachel Crowe) doing pretty well after the show.  Hopefully, that will continue.  I think with The Voice, sometimes the best voice does not always have the best stage or radio presence so they do not relate to the public very well.  I believe it was SnowFairy444 who said “Britney Spears has minimal talent and the people who like her have no taste in music” – I like Britney’s music and I think she has the whole package which is why she has been a pop star in this business since she was a teenager.  She does not have the best or strongest voice in the business, but she has a good voice that has a unique tone, IMO.  She also has good musical insight as to what people want to see/hear and has helped write and create many good songs and videos.  It is fine if you do not like her music, you have that right and I would never judge you for that; however, you have no right to judge my musical taste based on the fact that I like Britney Spears.  My musical palate’ goes way beyond one artist and is very eclectic.

  • Valentin432

     If you watch the shows on different countries, it isn’t a tradition to see the first winner doing the best for from it.

  • Niall

    If X Factor starts getting better buzz and watercooler talk based on the quality of the show they might trend upward. I’m attributing the low ratings to people’s memories of a disappointing and unappealing season one. Simon actually did a great job rebooting. I barely watched last season because what I did tune in to see either annoyed or bored me. What I saw last night entertained me and I’m going to give the show a chance this year. If other people feel the same, perhaps the ratings will increase a bit.

  • fantoo1

    I personally don’t have a horse in this race, but it’s fun to have Simon’s ego crushed, but at the same time, I hate to imagine Adam Levine is somewhere smirking. Still, I can’t help but laugh at people who said X Factor would blow idol out of the water in ratings, two seasons in a row now.

  • Trina

    To add to all that here in NYC there have been XF billboards in Times Square as well as ads in train stations and on top of taxis. I  honestly dont know how anyone could NOT know this show was starting. as noted the TV and radio ads were also insane.

    it was also interesting in that beginning montage that Melanie or anybody from season 1 was not mentioned

    I thought the same. After they showed all the international stars then flashed on the screen, “now its your turn America” I thought that was such a slap in the face to last years contestants. Though in all honestly none of them are anywhere close to the level of stardom that 1D, Leona or Cher have reached.

  • girlygirltoo

    I wouldn’t be stunned if Idol is still on the air after both The Voice and XF are cancelled. It still gets better ratings than either of the other 2 shows, and it is the only one who can boast of actually having ex-contestants with sustained success in the music/entertinment business.

    My problem with The Voice and XF is that, in the end, neither show is significantly different from Idol. Yes, there are a few gimmicks that try to distinguish them and appeal to (hopefully) a younger demo, but in my opinion, the contestants on XF and The Voice are no more current sounding than the ones on Idol — and it takes a lot more talent to make a song from the 1950′s or 1960′s sound current than it does to make a song from the last decade sound fresh. And for the most part, the contestants on these shows don’t strike me as being any more commercially viable than the best contestants on Idol. So, underneath all the bells & whistles like the revolving chairs and the yammering about the judges, there really isn’t all that much to distinguish the three shows — and Idol, having been around long enough to build a loyal audience base before the other 2 shows appeared on the scene, probably has the advantage in that long-time viewers won’t necessarily be quick to abandon it, while viewers may not have had enough time to get all that invested in either of the other 2 shows.

  • Listening

    Oh man that is so frustrating X- Factor didn’t deserve that it was so funny. The Voice beat them easily didn’t expect that. I watched them both X- Factor live and a recorded the voice later. I hands down preferred the X-Factor. Maybe word of mouth will increase the ratings later on. But it burns my biscuits that X- Factor didn’t beat the voice when you do good you should be rewarded not have it go unnoticed.

    I feel like The voice was testing the waters to see if they could take on X- Factor head on and now that they know they can they’re gonna go for it in an effort to sink their competition or embarrass them if nothing less.

    I’m curious does anyone know what the ratings were for The Voice’s first show?

  • chillj

    With those masses of people trying out, there was no real excuse for the lack of talent on the show.  The producers just thought the judges would carry the show, and it showed in the fawning camera work.  They made assumptions that just may not have held.  Maybe they will adjust, maybe not, but excellent camera work and editing is not going to cut it:  we tuned in to see a contest.

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    “It isn’t “the show” that is responsible for the success of its contestants. If they get signed, it’s up to their management and labels. ”

    Thank You! It is the label and management’s job to promote their artists. The TV execs have done their job, by putting on TV show. It’s the label that now has to get you to the next label of establishing you as a recording artist. And it’s an audience thing as well What if they simple don’t like what music you put out post Idol/Voice/X-Factor? Then people won’t buy it. It’s really about timing, and sadly some singing show contestants, including the winners, are just not ready for prime time. 

  • http://twitter.com/happylittlefish Amy Beth

    I wonder what would have happened if XFactor was just an hour. 

    I think TV audiences have been trained to expect filler at the beginning and the good stuff at the end. So I watched the hour of the Voice (flipped during commercials) and the second hour of XFactor. Sounds like I wasn’t alone.

  • http://twitter.com/happylittlefish Amy Beth

    LA is an industry town. A billboard in LA is like a neon sign in Times Square.

  • girlygirltoo

    maybe so, but you still see them.

  • clearone

    Ouch……that sucks!  You couldn’t pay me to watch The Voice.  Christina just turns me right off.  I found XFactor quite entertaining although it would be nice to see more contestants. 

  • Xentusk

    After the whole charade of Simon ‘making a mistake’ …driving to Melanie’s house and basically crowning the winner before the show even got started early in X-Factor.  I’m not watching that show again.

    It was so transparent.  Most everyone saw how they were manipulating the show to make Melanie Amaro the winner.

    ….what’s the point of watching the rest of the season?  Where was the “competition” when you declare the winner at the beginning?

  • girlygirltoo

    MJ posted the ratings for both previous nights of The Voice on this blog. They were well down from last season’s #s.

  • pj

    I’d rather watch Christina who has a wonderful voice than Brit Brit who is a shell of her former self.   Give me a diva that looks like a drag queen any  day over a girl who has no control over herself and looks like she’s auditioning to be a politician’s wife (see Ellen vid).

    ETA: If you’re going to be a meal ticket, at least be your own meal ticket.

  • bannanafish

    So much for the power of celebrity judges to revamp a shows ratings. Idol producers please take note.  NBC took a big gamble last night putting their 3rd episode uo against XFactors premiere, but it paid off in spades. Nothing like a head to head to establish who’s boss. However once they leave the audition episodes behind and Dancing With The Stars starts off on ABC I think their numbers will tank. 

  • elliegrll

    But the audition episodes that aired during the second season outperformed the post Battle Round episodes of season 1.  I think that those shows even did better than season 1′s audition episodes, so how does that support your theory?  The ratings for the first episode of The Voice this season were also higher than the final episode of last season.  I don’t think that that figure supports your theory either.

    It’s also just really hard to argue with the notion that people would watch a show because of things that have nothing to do with what is being played out on their screens.

  • ptslittlecomment

    :)

    It will be whiny Simon rather than bragging Simon who will be popping up in the press this week. Over, and over, and over and …..

    All I saw this morning on TV recaps about the show was the bit about Simon crying over the girl who was bullied. There was a very brief clip of the girl singing and two minutes of coverage of Simon’s reaction. Please.

  • fantoo1

    I have to admit, it would be kinda funny if the ratings drop so much that they don’t renew it, and Simon goes crawling back to idol…then they bring Paula back and have the original panel back together.

  • elliegrll

    My problem with The Voice and XF is that, in the end, neither show is significantly different from Idol

    This is both true and false.  I think that it was Tinawina who said that American Idol has a fool proof format, well both the X Factor and Voice changed the one thing about American Idol that is at the core of it’s ratings success, letting the audience have full control over who stays and who goes.  

    No amount of fancy dressing and different locations can change the fact that the X Factor’s Boot Camp and Judge’s House rounds are just Hollywood Week.  People have seen it all before, and AI does it better.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    IDK, the same question could be asked about Idol:

    Where was the competition, the past few years, when viewers can pick out the winner before the Top 12 ever perform?

  • fantoo1

    Many viewers picked James or Paul in Season 10.

  • chillj

    That Ellen interview was bizarre and painful.  

  • SEP-ESH

    I watched XFactor last night and The Voice on Monday night.  IMO still American Idol has the best contestants by far.  I like the restricted age group of 15-28 much better than mish mash age group of 3-100.  Makes these shows only entertaining.  Contestants on these two shows won’t get invested fans like Idols get.  I’ll wait to watch American Idol on my TV and get my updated news about other shows from this site.  Thanks MJ!

  • dabney c

    You’re joking. They actually showed Simon driving to Melanie’s house to bring her back?  You see, that’s the kind of fake drama that is pure poison for me. The heavy-handed, over-involvement of the judges is a device Idol has stayed away from – and that’s why it’s a better show.

    There shouldn’t be “teams”, and the judges should not have an obvious stake in who the winner is. Judges should be at arm’s length and have no involvement with the kids outside of the studio walls during showtime. That’s how you keep focus on the contestants. I don’t want to see the judges’ houses. I don’t need to see a kid singing next to Demi Lovato’s backyard swimming pool. I don’t care about their panoramic Hollywood Hills vistas. I don’t care!! 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    The voters didn’t. They dumped James at the number four spot and Paul at number 8. 
    Scotty was never in the bottom three. Just like P2, he sailed straight through for the win.

  • elliegrll

    You’re joking. They actually showed Simon driving to Melanie’s house to bring her back?  You see, that’s the kind of fake drama that is pure poison for me. 

    The worst part is that Simon did the same thing the season before on the X Factor UK.  Thus proving that Simon doesn’t have an original bone in his body.

  • http://twitter.com/happylittlefish Amy Beth

    TV is a place where imitation is the highest form of flattery. And it goes in cycles. At one point, there were tons of Westerns. Then police shows. Then every network was anchored by a night of sitcoms. So now it’s competitive singing shows. Heck, at one time there were over a dozen day time soaps.They all run their course.

  • http://twitter.com/bagel08 John S

    A lot of people said it was a “better show” than last year, but I think its purely because Britney and Demi are better than Nicole and Paula. I actually think the quality of contestants wasn’t as good as last year. I think it was mostly entertaining due to Britney and Demi, and their reactions to the bad auditions, not so much the contestants. And that is what it all comes down to in the end-the contestants. If the contestants aren’t buzzworthy, then the show is in trouble. The new judges can only help so much before the novelty wears off.

    The chatter about Britney and Demi actually remind me A LOT of the initial reaction to Steven and JLO. We saw what happened when they went live. The editors have done a fine job of showcasing the new judges, but the real test will be the live shows. 

  • http://twitter.com/Lutrell4 Ira

    Well tonight, XFactor will loose half the audience in our home cause Da Bears are about send the Packers back home to Green Bay 0-2. Speaking of X Factor, I saw Melanie Amaro on a Wal Mart bulletin board for missing children.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Yeah, Idol stays away from fake drama. LMAO

    AI brought a contestant back last year from the Hollywood rounds just to eliminate him on camera a couple of weeks later. Nigel and Ken called this contestant in to have a sit down talk with him about his criminal record and to make sure the viewers were in on the drama.  

    Idol brought a severely brain injured, wheelchair bound woman into the audition room for ratings! They have openly mocked and made fun of mentally challenged contestants during the audition rounds. It’s not like Idol is a beacon of integrity. They create drama and set up situations that add drama, and they do it strictly for the ratings.

    All three shows are guilty of using back stories and manipulations to try and increase ratings. It isn’t about the contestants, its about the money that advertising brings in. That’s the bottom line and it always has been!

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Well color me surprised! I was sure Britney curiosity would prevail. I really enjoyed XF last night, it’s a shame more people didn’t see it. I guess last year caught up with them big time.

    At this point I don’t expect either show to get out of the low 4s all season, and expect most of it to stay around the 3s though I wouldn’t be surprised if XF takes over as ratings champ after auditions. I also don’t expect either show to pull more than 12 million viewers at any point, even for the finales.

    I think Idol will take another huge dip this year too. Hopefully they can hold it to a 15% dip or so. There’s just too many singing shows now.

  • http://twitter.com/doesmonaknow DoesMonaKnow

    There shouldn’t be “teams”, and the judges should not have an obvious
    stake in who the winner is. Judges should be at arm’s length and have no
    involvement with the kids outside of the studio walls during showtime.
    That’s how you keep focus on the contestants. I don’t want to see the
    judges’ houses. I don’t need to see a kid singing next to Demi Lovato’s
    backyard swimming pool. I don’t care about their panoramic Hollywood
    Hills vistas. I don’t care!! 

    Then that would make The Voice and X Factor pretty much exactly like Idol.  Somehow even with the judges’ houses and the mentor angle X Factor UK has produced national and international stars out of its contestants.

  • OffLeash

    The Voice needs to hook up with labels who will give them assurances they’ll do a decent job at promoting their artists. Not sure who’s responsible for picking the managers, but they’ve been a huge fail for The Voice contestants and should be fired.

    Didn’t Adam mention something about new labels this year? I didn’t pay enough attention at the time. The talent this year is so amazing they must do a much better job at promoting them. Their promo shouldn’t be left to the judges taking them on tour with them.

  • http://twitter.com/bagel08 John S

     

    Speaking of X Factor, I saw Melanie Amaro on a Wal Mart bulletin board for missing children.

    LMAO!

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    Maybe this was the reason for X-Factor ratings being low. Direct TV on the West Coast didn’t appear to have FOX up and running in some local affiliates. I found this pic of tweets with people complaining about not being able to see X-Factor  on Direct TV. Warning, these tweets on the pic I copied has some foul language. Here is the link of the Idolforums page where I found the link. This link is of one of the pages of the X-Factor spoiler threads (doubt if half of it is true), so you are warned again. LOL ;)  

    http://idolforums.com/index.php?showtopic=681338&pid=25284632&st=1240&#entry25284632

    The tweets about X-factor and direct TV:
    http://i47.tinypic.com/2guk18i.png

    ETA: I was looking for Fox & Direct TV, and there are some articles about a dispute between them that had some affiliates black out, but those article are all the way in April. I have no clue if this situation people on Twitter moaned about had any effect on the ratings. Likely it didn’t.

  • Xentusk

    Yeah but Idol didn’t take a jet and then physically drive a judge to Scotty or Phillip’s house and publicly proclaim that rejecting Melanie was possibly the biggest mistake he had ever made….

    During S10, Lauren Alaina was the Chosen One, not Scotty….Idol did everything they could to spotlight Lauren.  James was also given alot of push, over looking ‘emotionally perfect’ performances…..It’s true Scotty won, but that was votes, not entirely Idol manipulation…. That Scotty has done remarkably well post Idol, shows that indeed he was overwhelmingly the favorite with the voters…Can the same be said of Melanie?

    Melanie was crowned from episode one..

    At least in Idol you got to hear and see the performers,….XFactor filled the stage with Flashing Lights and Dancers…remember that ridiculous performance when the ultra religious Marcus Canty scootched, face up, under the legs of six or seven female dancers?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IHIRO4P2ZPNQFGMK5KR57VH3E4 Nanc

    The X Factor lost me last year with all the kids and their meltdowns, all the drama and the over-importance on the “coaches”. I am NOT a Simon fan so hubby and I took The X Factor off our DVR and are sticking to The Voice and AI….AI may lose me this year too…even though there isn’t much buzz after the show about the Voice contestants Blake and Adam are infinitely more entertaining than any of the judges on the X Factor thought about being….
    AI still has both shows beat in post show buzz…until X Factor and the Voice step it up in that department AI will be number UNO

  • elliegrll

    Idol brought a severely brain injured, wheelchair bound woman into the audition room for ratings!

    You have to give them credit for not bringing her back for the finale, LOL.   And at least they gave her finance? a charity single that he could use to help support her.

    DoesMonaKnow said: Somehow even with the judges’ houses and the mentor angle X Factor UK has produced national and international stars out of its contestants.

    Not really. Even with One Directon’s Success and Leona having one huge hit, most of the X Factor contestants have been duds. Both in the UK and everywhere else.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5CTSGSGATMXQESVDDD7RWQRYXU Jane

    I’m so surprised at this!  In my view, X-Factor is 1000X better than The Voice.  I don’t get it….

    I think the story will be different a bit into the season.  The Voice gets soooo boring when the chair spinning part is over.

  • justshootme

    I watched both.  I preferred The Voice.  I’m just sick of the overinflated sob stories, the deluded contestants, the fakey fake drama.  This applies to AI as well.  I’m just over it.  

  • Valentin432

    It’s also just really hard to argue with the notion that people would
    watch a show because of things that have nothing to do with what is
    being played out on their screens.

    It’s the concept of these shows to find a unknown on the street and bring them to superstardom.

    That’s the essence of these shows itself, the full name of Idol was the search for the next superstar wich was translated to every possible language in each country the format was exported

    What you watch isn’t just twelve unknown people who are going to sing for you each week, it’s twelve possible new artists that can become stars.

    The Voice is trending towards being more of a game show that just desn’t care about the future prospects of its contestants after the show. Idol was never like that and trying to argue about it is misremembering all the promo that was done for the oas 10 years

  • windmills

    Entertainment Weekly seems to have some of the spin from the networks

    But it was the Fox show that truly shined in most of the key demos like 18-34 and those screaming female teens. Fox also boasted that X Factor grew by 6 percent over its season 1 finale among adults 18-34.  

    I think that 1st sentence may be misleading because the NBC PR says The Voice won the 18-34 demo too:

    From 8-9 p.m. ET, “The Voice” (3.3/11 in 18-49, 10.7 million viewers overall) won the hour among ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox in adults 18-49 and total viewers, as well as adults, men and women 25-54, men and women 18-49; and adults and women 18-34, in a highly competitive time period versus Fox’s second season premiere of “The X Factor” and CBS’s “Big Brother.” “The Voice” generated NBC’s top non-sports 18-49 rating in the time period since September 14, 2011 and more than doubled NBC’s average in the time period last season (1.5, L+SD non-sports), despite the competition from “X Factor” and “Big Brother.”

    As far as the headlines war, NBC is getting what it wanted out of the head to head because not only is everybody talking about The Voice’s victory without focusing too much on how much The Voice dropped, the head to head battle resulted in XF’s premiere taking a nosedive from last year’s premiere. It may be a temporary victory depending on buzz on the shows themselves but it puts Simon & team on the defensive right out of the gates for the 2nd season in a row.

  • Valentin432

     

    But the audition episodes that aired during the second season
    outperformed the post Battle Round episodes of season 1.  I think that
    those shows even did better than season 1′s audition episodes, so how
    does that support your theory?  The ratings for the first episode of The
    Voice this season were also higher than the final episode of last
    season.  I don’t think that that figure supports your theory either.

    Because the premiere was put after the Superbowl which got tons of sampling and people came back for a few shows before being tired.

  • mjsbigblog

    NBC definitely won this round. Congrats Mark Burnett and company. WELL PLAYED.

    I’m still skeptical that The Voice will be able to fix the Battle Rounds. We’ll see.

  • auntmable

    I”ll bet that both the voice and x factor wished they had a Phillip Phillips, Idol is so good at finding these talented people!!! And then they promote them well, Phillip is all over the place. I watch both x and voice, because thats whats on, and I do enjoy the singing, its almost free!!!!!!I cannot even tell you who won the voice last year, and as far as Melenee Armaro, I haven’t seen her anywhere!!!!!

  • Valentin432

    I don’t dispute Simon’s lack of originality but it wasn’t the same thing, all the judges had the right to choose a 4th member in their category. Mélanie was the only 5th member chosen.

  • elliegrll

    But, according to you people should have shunned the show because it failed to produce a star.

    And aren’t the ratings for the first two episodes of this season on par, or slightly better than the ratings for most of the post audition episodes of last season?  Just taking a random date from last April, http://www.thefutoncritic.com/ratings/2012/04/10/nbc-weekly-ratings-the-voice-leads-networks-primetime-week-of-april-2-8-133310/20120410nbc01/ 

    the numbers are pretty much the same.  Even though the first two episodes are down in comparison to the post Super Bowl inflated Monday episodes of last season, the people who watched past the Battle rounds still returned for the first two episodes of this season.

  • elliegrll

    That was the only difference, but the way that it was filmed was the same. We saw Simon agonizing over his decision, saying that he made a mistake and riding out to the contestant’s house.

    The idea was still the same.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Hmmm.. so who was it.. standtotheright I think?.. that said they wouldn’t be surprised to see shows start breaking up the demo bragging into smaller chunks and actually start touting the 18-34 numbers? It did seem that was what XF was gearing itself towards, teens and twenty somethings… I wonder what the actual 12-17 ratings are?

    Still, Fox and Simon have to be majorly bummed. Those numbers sucked. The Voice kicked their ass all over the place. LOL

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=195101108 Stefan Wind

    LMAO…Simon must be losing it. This is way too funny.

  • Valentin432

    You can’t take the rating of a show or almost anything in life as a result of just one factor.

    It wouldn’t make any sense to just analyze the growth rate of an economy by taking the consumption and ignoring the investment part.
    Same thing for Idol or The Voice ratings, the show quality in itself is of course a factor just like the reality (or illusion) of a chance for these people to achieve their dreams of superstardom.

    Applying this to your question, the audition part of The Voice is much better than the rest of the show so it will get better numbers than the rest.
    But year to year, the same audition episodes have dipped a lot and I would bet all my money that the battle and live shows will get lower ratings than last year too.

    Finally, the statement that all the peole who watched last year finale are the ones watching this year opening is false, almost all shows begin with higher numbers and then those ratings fall during the year that’s because people at the beginning of the fall season people sample shows before deciding wheter or not they will keep watching them. In this case the Voice has had new viewers trying it out but lost people year to year.

  • fantoo1

    I wish there was some kind of hidden camera to show Simon’s reaction to all this LOL.

  • usedtobelucy

    Wonder if gender has anything to do with it? Like … given two shows that are somewhat similar so which to watch is a tossup, more women chose to watch Adam, Cee Lo and Blake than wanted to watch Britney and Demi? (I’m assuming that few women or few anything at all want to watch Simon — lol) …

  • Carlos Garcia

    “Maybe the X Factor did better among 18-49 year olds.”  Nope, head to head The Voice was 22% higher in 18-49′s and 43% higher in total audience.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    I’m watching the beginning of X-Factor right now. It’s so tacky, boring self-promotion. If I were a casual viewer I’d rather spinning chairs or Big Brother all the way.

  • chillj

    It is two dirty old men with two fragile young women – a poisonous combination.  Why would Simon ever figure that an audience that would want to watch two young women would be interested in the two men on the panel?  Adam, Cee Lo and Blake are far preferable.  And with a strong woman.

  • chillj

    I’m pretty certain he doesn’t get it.  Heh.

  • chillj

    That was good and daring chess.  I would not have figured it ever would have happened.  Think Burnett gave Simon a call?

  • SnowFairy444

    Not only that but LA Reid might as well be invisible. Nothing against LA Reid, but Demi, Britney and Simon overshadow this guy.

    Three attractive, witty and likeable guys with a strong woman. Now, that’s a winning combination.

  • dabney c

    Yes, Taylor, of course Idol pushes their own fake drama, but it’s the overproduced, melodramatic, judge-centric nonsense that irritates me most about XF. Idol does a whole lot of crappy manipulative sh*t that everybody calls them out on each season. But somehow (at least for me) it’s less … I dunno … theatrical, or self-important, or whatever. Hard to put a finger on it.

  • hcpoirot

    It just too much singing show this year. Thats why the rating not as great as all predict. And the rating will get worse when all the top rating comedy and drama series begin the new season.

  • dabney c

    But XF hasn’t really worked as well in the U.S., thus far. It hasn’t struck a chord with North American audiences like it has with the UK crowd. So,  maybe Idol has a more winning formula for its audience than XF, and maybe Simon has somewhat misread what North Americans want.

  • elliegrll

    Update from TV By The Numbers, the X Factors final rating will be 3.4, so it only increased by a tenth of a point.

  • elliegrll

    Not only that but LA Reid might as well be invisible. Nothing against LA Reid, but Demi, Britney and Simon overshadow this guy.

    I don’t think that we can say this until the live shows air.  Last night’s show was edited to make Britney the focus in the first hour, she was even given more time at the table than Simon, and the second hour focused more on Demi.
    But, as MJ said, when she saw the show live, Britney wasn’t very good, and Demi was the standout.  Last night was all about trying to lure in younger viewers with Demi and Britney’s presence, so focusing on LA would have hurt that cause. 

  • SnowFairy444

    I still think it’s an odd combination of judges that doesn’t go over well. I also think if they didn’t do well in their first night, the rest of the season doesn’t look good for them. Time will tell.

    I still might watch it if there’s nothing else better on, but I’m just not invested in it.

  • kd29

    I watched both of the shows. The Voice is clearly the better show to me. The sob stories and the fake drama on X Factor was awful. Not surprised at the ratings at all.

  • Jordana33

    Wow, I really expected the publicity to bring higher ratings for X Factor. Britney certainly didn’t disappoint, and there was a definite improvement in judging, compared to last year. In spite of that, I still felt like something was missing, and the show’s propensity to exploit and humiliate people for ratings, continues be a big turnoff. It’s particularly disturbing when some of those contestants are clearly emotionally fragile.

    I think that The Voice is ultimately the better show. The audition rounds are fun (and different), the lighthearted judge banter is still entertaining, and I like that the judges know how be funny without humiliating the contestants. The Voice also does a much better job of attracting talented artists from various musical backgrounds, and is one of the few shows that actually makes the effort to avoid judging contestants on superficial criteria. This is why I’ll continue to champion this show. The idea that no one looks out for the contestants is also a myth. Most, if not all of the coaches follow up closely with their finalists after the show.

  • elliegrll

    The Voice also does a much
    better job of attracting talented artists from various musical backgrounds, and
    is one of the few shows that actually makes the effort to avoid judging
    contestants on superficial criteria. This is why I’ll continue to champion this
    show.

    I think that this is a myth.  Pretty much everyone involved with the show admitted that Blake picked Rae Lynn over Jordis, because she is more marketable.  It’s definitely not because she’s the better singer.  She’s younger and cuter.  I’m sure that played a role in why she was cast.

    The first time that we meet the contestants it’s also clear that they have already been to see the show’s stylists.  I haven’t paid attention this season, but during the first season they showed the contestants in hair and make-up, before they set foot on stage for their so called first auditions.  And  at least one contestant was shown in a much more scraggly looking outfit for the producer auditions than she was wearing for the chairs round.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Wow!  And How much are they paying the new judges?  Money don’t mean a thing people….AI are you watching this?

  • OffLeash

    I have the perfect solution: Simon should pack his bags, then we’d get Idol in the Spring and a yearly-only Voice in the fall. Sounds like the perfect package to me LOL.

  • usedtobelucy

    ” It is two dirty old men with two fragile young women – a poisonous
    combination.  Why would Simon ever figure that an audience that would
    want to watch two young women would be interested in the two men on the
    panel?  Adam, Cee Lo and Blake are far preferable.  And with a strong
    woman.”

    Yep, I’d say that’s right on the money. I got the creeps the minute the two young women were picked. Of course, I had the creeps last season from the way Simon treated the other two women ….

  • http://twitter.com/1outside Maj

    nvm

  • Chris

    Surprised but The Voice with the spinning chairs and standard infighting between Christina and Adam must have been too tempting to pass up.

  • Jordana33

    I think that this is a myth.  Pretty much everyone involved with the show admitted that Blake picked Rae Lynn over Jordis, because she is more marketable.  It’s definitely not because she’s the better singer.  She’s younger and cuter.  I’m sure that played a role in why she was cast.

    A myth? There’s an entire section of the show where the judges can’t see the contestants. If that doesn’t qualify as making an effort, then I don’t know what does. And judging by the contestants who make it through the auditions, versus those who don’t, I’d say the screening process is pretty blind (much to Cee-Lo’s dismay, LOL). It’s inevitable that superficial criteria and stage presence will factor in, once the blind auditions are over, but the show definitely makes an effort in the beginning.

    I can’t comment on RaeLynn, because I actually liked her a lot and understood Blake’s decisions. Jordis was one of my favorites, but her live rounds performances fell flat. But more importantly, you’re forgetting that Blake ultimately picked Erin Willet over both RaeLynn and Jordis, which says a lot.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “But, as MJ said, when she saw the show live, Britney wasn’t very good, and Demi was the standout.”

    Interesting. That just shows how editing can give a very different perception than reality. I have to say that Britney seemed OK, but not great and I saw glimpses of Demi being far more confident and outspoken. The contrast will show up on the live shows, unless Britney manages to improve before then.

  • http://twitter.com/RonnieDRocks Ronnie D

    I never really got into The Voice. Xtina is so full of herself, I find it hard to watch. X-Factor is my fav even over the past 2 seasons of AI.

  • http://twitter.com/cindydesigns Cindy Moniz

    Wow, am I the only one who actually likes X Factor better than The Voice?  Sure  The Voice has a good audition round but I stopped watching after that in the first season because I was quite bored.  

  • elliegrll

    A myth? There’s an entire section of the show where the judges can’t see the contestants. 

    Do you really think that the judges are the ones  who decide who goes through, or that how these people look played no part in why they were cast.

    Like American Idol and the X Factor, we don’t see the initial audition, or even the second one.  So, IMO, it would be naive to say that looks don’t play a part.  They are casting a television show, everything matters, and it should.  Sometimes they are going to pick attractive people, and tell the judges not to pick them just because they want to drive home the basic concept of the show.  

    They are not going to leave the casting to chance, they are going to make sure that the show has a good balance of based on race, gender, style, and even physical appearance.

  • elliegrll

    Both shows were adjusted up to a final rating of 3.4.  Total viewers for the X Factor 
    8.73.  For the Voice 10.89.

  • mileyfan123

     I saw a show too, not the one mj went to, and Britney was awful. She would say three words, wasn’t paying attention half the time, and was rude. Demi was great, and my friends all loved her, and we thought we were going to love Britney. Everyone I heard was complaining about how weird Britney was acting. She was especially weird when she walked off stage when this guy was singing her song, and the audience massively turned on her after that and kept booing her throughout the rest of the show.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Corey/100001242253711 Chris Corey

     IMO I tried watching X Factor 2. The problem with it is it seems staged. I thought the show was better than last year. NBC has to be so happy today. They did a pretty bold move that was panned but it worked to their beneift. The Voice is a much better show. The coaches have way more chemistry, better contestants and its just better. IMO why doesn’t NBC put the nail in the X Factor coffin by moving the Voice against it on Wednesday and Thursday. This way they would be out of the way of DWTS. Simon is probably so upset and so embarassed. He kind of deserves this. He left Idol in 2010 sabtaoging season 9 looking so bored and practically claimed Idol dead and the X Factor would take over. I think he freaked out when Idol roarred on without him. Season 10 was a big success for Idol. It wasn’t just about the judges, Idol fans loved the contestants that year. Last season while Idol went down it still found Phillip Phillips. Who wants to make a bet that FOX will cancel the X Factor and that Simon Cowell will return to Idol for season 14.I am smelling a COWELL IDOL RETURN.

  • marmom07

    It would appear that many fans of a celebrity are not going to tune in just because their celebrity is on some tv show. The judge needs to be interesting to see and listen to. Commercial success elsewhere does not guarantee that person will be good judge (articulate and entertaining). Or it could be a case of people like the celebrities music but not the persona.  I still think hiring celebrities just for the sake of being able to trumpet “who” you got on your show is a mistake. Plus other aspects of the show are more important than the “who” is sitting on your panel. Most people do not like feeling manipulated so their “reality” shows better pass the sniff test and at least look honest on the surface even when you know it’s “cast” and staged.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    No one says dirty old men more than Steven Tyler did on Idol or Nigel does on SYTYCD.

  • judes

    What I don’t understand is why are these 2 shows on at the same time? A lot of people would watch both shows. I don’t think its a good idea to have 2 seasons of The Voice in one year. [Oh I've also seen AGT is also on the same night -what's wrong with having these on different nights to suit everyone????]

    Here in Australia we don’t have idol anymore so we are able to have The Voice & X Factor on at different times of the year. The Voice here didn’t suffer much in ratings when the audition rounds were finished-so I think it is critical to get good  contestants to keep the audience interested. X Factor Australia has just started & seems to also be doing well in the ratings. [We also had great talent on AGT this year -so to me good talent is critical no matter what the format of the show is]Maybe Simon should ask them to change the night -to increase their ratings?

  • hayes

    Wow. It’s crazy how not too long ago some TV shows were pulling in 20+ million viewers regularly. Thanks DVR, Hulu, and On Demand!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Exactly. I wonder if AI is watching these ratings and wondering if their millions spent on NM and MC are going to be worth it. Randy is a waste of time and money. It appears they got the best deal with Urban, as he might end up being the “Demi” for Idol. It’s not how much money you spend to get the biggest names, it all comes down to how they are going to relate to the contestants, each other and how they come across to viewers at home.

    AI may find that it has poured a ton of money into the big names, instead of finding a panel that works well together like the one on The Voice.

  • http://twitter.com/TylerWV TylerWV

    Take that Simon!  I haven’t watched the 3rd night of the Voice yet and actually enjoyed the second night better then the first.  I tried to watch xFactor and got 15 min. in and changed the channel.  I don’t like auditions like the xfactor and Idol have.

  • SnowFairy444

    The thing with The Voice judges is that all four of them have huge fanbases. This is what you want. You want judges that are going to pull in the viewers. This is where X-Factor has failed, in my opinion. I think only attracting teens with Demi Lovato and Britney was a mistake. Simon may think that he has tons of fans and he can pull in viewers, but it simply is not true.

  • chris461

    And having J-Lo on Idol wasn’t?

  • chris461

    And you’re saying Idol didn’t the past two years especially with J-Lo? Expect it with Mariah on Idol this season.

  • elliegrll

    We have no idea how well Nicki and Mariah are going to relate to the contestants, and the same goes for Keith Urban, since AI’s setup is not the same as The Voice’s.  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XY62PETGTXO3FFQXX45UKQ2O7M Steph

    The X-Factor buzz is all about Britney and Demi.

    That’s not a good sign.

    Simon has yet to show us any real talent. 

    None of the contestants that they have been fawning over these 2 nights on X Factor can even compete with any of Idol’s top singers like The Sanchez.

    Simon just doesn’t understand the concept of finding actual talent. With him it’s all about the judging panel and the singers he goes gaga over are AWFUL.

    I can only imagine what Simon would think of someone like Joshua Rogers–the INCREDIBLE gospel vocalist who just won BET’s Sunday Best or what he would think of Idol’s Joshua Ledet. Both of these young men can sing circles around the pathetic singers that Simon drools over.

  • iluvai

    omg, The X factor was great.  I love the Lady Judges.  Wow and Brittany is really a breath of fresh air compared to Xtina. And I thought I liked Christina better.  Xtina can take her boobs and take the nearest exit.  lol… Britney and Demi seem so real, and this show is about the contestants.  I do wonder however, where the winner of both shows have landed???? 

  • iluvai

    It’s good that Britney and Demi are getting buzz. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I didn’t say we knew anything for sure. What I said is: AI MAY find that it has poured a ton a money into the big names…
    NM and MC MAY turn out to be great choices. They better be for almost 30 million dollars! The Voice gets all four of its judges for the price of two of Idol’s judges.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    Is it serious that the fact the singer get some make-up assistance give them some advantage in a BLIND audition?

    It makes no difference. It  just makes more cool to the viewers the singers are already into their style.

  • Kim

    I watched the first episode of the voice this season and honestly I’m not too interested in watching the rest of the season.  X Factor was entertaining the first night and more so the second imo.  Too bad at this rate it prob won’t get a 3rd season.

  • teekee

    He would have hated both Ledet and Rogers.

  • Jazz_11

    “I am still amazed that AI people knew Phillip will eventually win so early on, and gave him the special edit.”

    It just shows they know what they’re doing. Year over year they see the patern and see what their viewers likes and they saw it in him.

  • http://twitter.com/LindsayKempFan Not fit to print

    I wonder if The Voice may not be paying bigger bucks the second time around, now that these judges have much bigger profiles. Of course, if they rotate their judges, then they can keep them on their toes a bit.

    Watching X Factor last night I was struck by how tiny the contestants are and how big the set is. On Idol the cameras pull in a lot. I still remember a couple of Kris Allen’s performances because the close-ups were amazing.

    Maybe X Factor cameras pull in more for the later rounds but they also focus a little bit more on spectacle, which involves more long shots. Imho, the more personal the contestants FEEL, the more they resonate. 

  • luvmy5guys

    Well here is my theory.. maybe people did what I do.. I watched The Voice and DVR’d X-Factor since it was longer (and therefor had more commercials to ge thru).. I figured I would watch it on Friday when there is nothing else on… It really is too bad that the people doing the numbers cant? or dont count the stufff being recorded for a night when nothing else is on.

  • justmefornow

    Cute southern boy in a plaid shirt with a guitar?
    A blind/deaf person could have picked him, lol.
    I’m neither and I called it from day #1.

    (And may I add, it didn’t matter one bit who the judges were.)